td2-build-advice

[minor nexus]

should i use chameleon or bluescreen tho

[patent fossil]

if you want a bluescreen buld then you should use bluescreen

[strong cave]

You asked Bluescreen, Bluescreen will work. Chameleon will work for striker but wouldn't use it on Nego

[gloomy spruce]

Any advice for my build:

[strong cave]

Swap to ceska

[gloomy spruce]

Sadly, I didn't have a ceska obliterate chest on the character. That was the obvious sub. Strangely, it already hits 58% chc on the bluescreen with grupo.

So there is almost no need.

[strong cave]

Is your Bluescreen rolled for CHC?

[gloomy spruce]

Nope, DTA

[strong cave]

Are any pieces of your gear rolled for CHC?

Not counting mods

[gloomy spruce]

I think all are.

[strong cave]

That's too much CHC yielding in significantly less CHD

Should be no more than 3 pieces rolled for CHC if you plan on using CHD mods

And best stat attributes for Bluescreen/Pestilence is CHC not DTA

[minor nexus]

do you guys think bluescreen works well with heartbreaker build

[strong cave]

No don't bother with that on heartbreaker

[gloomy spruce]

Interesting train of thought. So how much CHD are you thinking is a starting base for a Tipping Scales build?

[strong cave]

Pretty sure this is your build just by looking at your SS

[gloomy spruce]

The Chest mod is a chd mod.

[strong cave]

But to start with, don't run DTA on Bluescreen. Use CHC. DTTOC comes standard on LMGs which is good in general. Since Bluescreen comes with 0 crit mods, you'll want Crit hit chance (9.5%) as the 3rd attribute. Additionally, ceska gives another 8% CHC. A free Crit chance mod.

Use This Instead

[strong cave]

So that would mean you only have 52% chc

[minor nexus]

should i follow this nego build on bluescreen or this one

[strong cave]

Change chest to Ceska obliterate

OD setup is fine

[gloomy spruce]

No, it is 58%. Actually 57.8% since the mod is a 5.8% Chc mod.

[strong cave]

Based off what you told me, you have Crit chance on nearly every piece

Regardless, taking Grupo yields you less CHD. Swap to ceska for more crits and more damage

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, that is 36 on gear, 12 on mods, and 10 from watch.

58

[hexed steppe]

ongoing directive is real nice with bluescreen

[minor nexus]

then ima try thyat build

[gloomy spruce]

So throw away 6% DTA which is kinda small for 12% chd?

[strong cave]

Not everything has armor

[hexed steppe]

what you just posted is how i run it, all res cores tho, no armor on my setup

[strong cave]

But everything can be out of cover

And if you want that DTA back just run contractors gloves and ditch Centurions

DTA should only be taken on builds that aren't Crit starved. And since Bluescreen has 0 crit mods, gearsets will eat like there's no tomorrow and lack Crit chance

[gloomy spruce]

Centurian's almost eliminates reload, increases mag size, increases ROF and lets me switch between Bluescreen and Black Friday almost seemlessly shooting over 500 bullets continuously. Are you sure that is the play?

[strong cave]

Would I be giving you advice if I was wrong? 🤷‍♀️

Youre asking for advice and questioning it lmao

[gloomy spruce]

I am fascinated at your way of thinking.

[strong cave]

@subtle bluff this guy needs help

He doesn't understand math

[subtle bluff]

He's trolling you

[gloomy spruce]

True, I am a weirdo

[strong cave]

Are you sure it's a troll?

[hexed steppe]

i think with tipping scales there is a little more leeway on crit since it stacks chd, a lot of it... being starved seems less an issue

[subtle bluff]

stacking issue.

[hexed steppe]

on top, bluescreen has crazy handling already

[gloomy spruce]

Remember, I am the same guy who asked for meme builds. I called determined hh 1886 a meme build.

[strong cave]

The CHD isn't the issue it's choosing not to take Ceska and instead Grupo. Which not taking Ceska leaves 8% on the table, and since Bluescreen has DTA and not CHC on it, and has no crit mods, leaving a huge load of CHC on the table. Which more CHC up front means more stacking of CHD, means more damage

[hexed steppe]

i would contractors

[strong cave]

This is the case with strikers, this is the case with Nego, and surely is the case with tipping. I would know, I already tested it today

[hexed steppe]

after stacking 350% chd, whatever is on the build already really doesnt make a lot of difference

[strong cave]

Nah but there's always room for improvement

[gloomy spruce]

Diminishing marginal utility....

[hexed steppe]

im tempted to stack chance and handling tbh

[strong cave]

If they wanna run it that way, let em 🤷‍♀️ they're leaving more up front damage on the table. Not my build not my problem

[hexed steppe]

i also put dta on my pesti build instead of chance

dta is up front

[strong cave]

That's so cursed 😂😭

I mean, yes DTA is up front, but it becomes useless when nothing coming your way has armor lol

[hexed steppe]

if something is tanky enough health target to be an issue, youll be stacking chd very quickly to compensate... honestly, how much chd can you front load with everything perfect like using ceska/chc on lmg 3rd stat.

still gonna want to hit crit cap

gives possible 36% chd difference, no? it doesnt sound as big an issue tbh ... and with the talent you make up the deficit with like 9 shots not using bag or chest

[strong cave]

That's a fair assessment. Then again, they came to build advice, they got build advice 🤷‍♀️. If they wanna hit a bit better, I'd recommend taking Ceska/CHC as 3rd attribute. If their build can make up enough CHC without yielding less CHD with room for DTA, then DTA becomes best for 3rd attribute

36% may not be that big of a difference since tipping gives an ass load anyways, but that 36% could make the difference between something still being alive or dead quicker

Bluescreen/Pesti don't have CHC mods which they definitely deserve to have some. Sucks they dont

[hexed steppe]

all im saying is it isnt such a deficit between the 2 setup to make a huge difference in the end.

people also still recommend oblit over glass on builds even though glass is the strongest choice. there is room for flexibility

[gloomy spruce]

I wanted to see potential criticism. I got it and I am grateful to you, @strong cave

[subtle bluff]

CHC is still better. Even if you think it's stacking too much CHD.

[gloomy spruce]

I like to hear such lines of thought and argument.

[hexed steppe]

ill be sure to preface anything mentioned with may not be the strongest choice

fair

[gloomy spruce]

My first choice would have been to have a ceska chest. Yet, I think on this one Localdeck makes some good points.

CHD is strong with this gear set.

[strong cave]

Centurion's isn't a bad slot. I personally run nimble on mine and instead have 2 blue cores. I run bullet king so making crits isn't hard since BK has a Crit mod

[hexed steppe]

yall need glass in your life

[strong cave]

Bluescreen and Pesti not having Crit mods makes it hard to stack CHC where needed

[gloomy spruce]

I spent the first year after wony picking up PGC users.

I was brought into groups to pick everyone up after they fell over.
Glass cannon gives me flashbacks to that era. I can't be those guys.

[strong cave]

You should see my striker backfire build with glass cannon

All red, 90 hazpro, 100 bleed resistant, I get breathed on and I'm dead 😂

[hexed steppe]

good thing everything ends up dead 😂

😎

[gloomy spruce]

You mad lad

[subtle bluff]

it works well

[hexed steppe]

it was a lot of fun earlier, ngl

[subtle bluff]

I can't post my Heroic I used with something close but it was pretty good

[strong cave]

Total menace

[hexed steppe]

i was working on that broken armor active modifier during a couple retaliations with some random groups

the one that drops all armor. dont remember name

[cerulean smelt]

zealot?

[strong cave]

With how aggressive these enemies are this season, I'm 100% not touching glass

[hexed steppe]

no aim

mostly journey 3 page stuff. i know someone knows , but my geriatric brain isnt remembering

[strong cave]

Still working my way through the modifiers. They're extra confusing for me this season and a bit too many working parts. It's cool don't get me wrong but like, make it a touch simpler? If devs don't mind? 😭

Don't feel bad I just hit journey 3 today

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, some of the wording is like oh that's easy! you go do it and 0/x completed and i'm like WHY?!

[strong cave]

https://youtu.be/DzQ8_x8aQq0

[gloomy spruce]

Spiced up?

[strong cave]

I like that it's tied to factions but reading a lot of them, they're not really immersive like I thought they would be

[cerulean smelt]

one i hated was that emp blast bit. hit 5 with it most die but maybe 1 but it wouldn't count it. watched djtickle on that and legendary dua who knew?

[gloomy spruce]

I did journey 3 using a Crit HF set up. Kinda fun to play the game like a drugged up maniac on a bender.

[strong cave]

There's one where you shoot tusk drones and I'm like.... Who even wants to get that bonus?

Or something like that

[hexed steppe]

thats the one

i think i have most of the parts tto make 4x duplicate pesti builds for the alts

no unicorns so ezpz

[cerulean smelt]

wait until you get to cleaners drones

[strong cave]

I'm already dreading the EMP one. Apparently it'll instant kill you

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, it's done it once for me so far

[hexed steppe]

bluescreen is nice on TS. 260mag, stupid fast reload. built in cc on demand, yes please

[rich cosmos]

The reload being faster than ars is crazy

Reloading that shit with magic

[fickle hill]

Anybody know a good Regulus tanky build that can still kill pretty good in conflict/darkzone?

[subtle bluff]

Gonna point you to #td2-pvp-discussions since it's a more of focus of PvP'er there.

[dusky sky]

what is the best build other than striekr ?

[subtle bluff]

OD Tinkerer

[solar sable]

there is no best, but alternatives if you're tired of Striker’s
I'm married to this build (weapons are up to personal preference)

[hexed steppe]

right now for dps, i think tipping scales is towards the top with striker, OD, and nego

[solar sable]

Nego is anotha one

idk if this setup is updated or not lol

[subtle bluff]

Depending on the content for TS.

[hexed steppe]

is this better numbers than sadist + pressure point?

[subtle bluff]

TS can really really suck.

Hodl on there I'm almost done with these numbers

[solar sable]

I deal up to 921k per hit and I'm lazy to go to the DPS calc

[hexed steppe]

i dont see it being any harder to stack than striker

[subtle bluff]

If you're not shooting like a lot play when starting you won't have stack or keep them up

[dusky sky]

what is that build

also right now i wanna find a tank build so i could do the season pass jorney quests

[subtle bluff]

You lose them A LOT faster

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages

[solar sable]

Killer is absolutely better for solo play

[dusky sky]

which one is the best

[solar sable]

ohh mg5 has higher numbers

[subtle bluff]

There's a best overall.

[subtle bluff]

I mean.... Have you read the titles?

2 are Raid ones.

[solar sable]

blue/tank builds are not better than Strikers, keep that in mind

[subtle bluff]

Jounrey stuff I haven't done them yet so Idk even what you need.

[solar sable]

they are FAR from competing and have other purposes mainly being in raids

[dusky sky]

what is the other raid one than the first 1 ?

[subtle bluff]

Open them up and read them. I don't use those builds ever.

[solar sable]

Indepth IH Tanks

IH = Iron Horse

[subtle bluff]

Also IDK what Zealot is. I haven't any modifiers or seasonal stuff yet.

[dusky sky]

also there one journey where u need to last 35 sec, so gotta use a tank build to save enemies for reset

[subtle bluff]

Do you need to kill anything?

Or just stand.

[dusky sky]

for the 35s yes u need to kill to reset the timer
other 3 above just need to survive the dmg

[subtle bluff]

Everyday Carrier, FB and something that you can thru on another PFE.

Surivlist. Done.

[solar sable]

Chow, can you make a DPS chart on Killer/Sadist with mg5 and another one with gr9, please? you may have already convinced me

[subtle bluff]

Yup yup working on GR9

[dusky sky]

what are those

[subtle bluff]

Let me add the other MG5

[solar sable]

I'm seeing a higher crit number here, mind explaining this nerd thingy to me?

[subtle bluff]

what gun?

[solar sable]

gr9

[subtle bluff]

also what's your CHC/CHD?

[solar sable]

56.5/129

[subtle bluff]

any modifiers on?

[solar sable]

let me check rq

ah it was Modifiers my bad, now its 928k

eh little difference with and without

but it's still a bit higher than what the chart shows

[subtle bluff]

exp on the weapon?

[solar sable]

none

hold on, is it because of Vigi?

[subtle bluff]

This is what the numbers are basing from

[solar sable]

wicked yup, that's why my hits are slightly higher

I'm using Vigi btw

[hazy steeple]

I would probably suggest using Tinkerer as the name for the mask there.
I honestly don't know many people who even realise the Talent has that name.
maybe "Tinkerer's Mask".

[subtle bluff]

Ya It's not done.

[dusky sky]

for the Coyote's mask season 1 track mean u can get that mask from the year 1 bundle from store ?

[hazy steeple]

I know the div1 folks enjoy seeing Abridged there, but it just makes me think of the DBZ internet series.

@dusky sky No.

[dusky sky]

what does this year 1 track mean ?

[subtle bluff]

I LOVE that sseries.

[hazy steeple]

Year 1 Bundle came out before the season's did, for a start.
it says season 1, not year 1.

Remember that Season's started in 2020, with WONY's launch being the first one.

(which is actually also why you can get Sys Corr and Dark Winter from the legacy caches)

[dusky sky]

so keep farming countdown for 3% drop rate on exotic out of 5 masks

[hazy steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looter_shooter

If you don't want to farm for things, you may be in the wrong kind of game.

[grave cave]

Out of 3, tinkerer and catalyst dont count for world loot

[hazy steeple]

If it really bothers you that much, head over to Jefferson Trade Centre when it has Mask TL on, stack up Directives, and farm your heart out.

[dusky sky]

cool bean

[hazy steeple]

Actually it might only be 2, since IIRC Catharsis was bug dropped, and could only be obtained via Caches/Prios.

[dusky sky]

other than mim maxing, i just need mask to finish the striker set

[hazy steeple]

Make sure you factor in the eventual SHD Watch bonus to CHC+CHD (10% and 20%, respectively). in to your final build.

[grave cave]

Why the chest tho

Ceska/grupo better

[hazy steeple]

I didn't even notice.
yeah ceska oblit w/double crit attributes is the peak one.

It's well worth farming out a godroll piece, you can use it on a dozen or more builds.
Just make sure you are able to change the Talent in the future.

[grave cave]

Glass cannon is good too, but is a dangerous talent....

[hazy steeple]

If you're below SHD 1k, I'd honestly not suggest it.
Not enough practice to live, and Oblit hits plenty hard anyway.

[lofty frigate]

I'm not a big fan of Termoil, but I was surprised that it was surprisingly good for this build

[grave cave]

Yep, for Sniper/rifle builds turmoil is absolutely nuts

[dusky sky]

u mean like farm a piece have all good stat maxed just from drop and save tinker for future ?

[grave cave]

Not necessary all maxed, just with the good stats (CD and CHC and obliterate)

If u search a piece with Max everything and god rolled u might need months for that

Normally u get 2 of 3 and recalibrate the other (im not counting weapon dmg), later optimize the other stats and u have ur god rolled chest piece

[dusky sky]

but recal talent is the best if possible ?

[grave cave]

Yes, bc maybe in the future they release a more meta talent or maybe u want change It bc u get bored of it

This should be the piece to farm:

-Crit Damage
-Crit Hit Chance
-Obliterate or any talent to recalibrate

[dusky sky]

they are kinda bad stat and somehow they dont really drop chest piece
for so long i only got these two

[dusky sky]

meant to reply here

[grave cave]

Grupo can work, the talent is for a very passive playstyle

[hazy steeple]

Just farm out the ceska piece with those ideal stats in Countdown.
As we've both said: it's well worth the effort.

[grave cave]

More crits=more dmg🤑🤑

[dusky sky]

alri, guess cyote mask gotta wait longer

[hazy steeple]

a few other Ceska pieces are going to be useful as well, especially if you go for the Striker Chest+Coyotes/Tinkerers setup.

[grave cave]

And one quick thing, dont put CHC to ur striker, with elmos, coyote and ceska u r close to the cap alrdy, some ppl for some reason put CHC

[hazy steeple]

^That 10% from the SHD Watch is really nice

[dusky sky]

thinker mask is no longer acquirable?

[grave cave]

God bless keener for the watch🗣️

[grave cave]

If u mean tinkerer, the mission will be available again in the 23rd of september

[dusky sky]

i was following this chart

[grave cave]

Máster grants the exotic the first run of ur character, doesnt Matter the day or year, always a guarantee drop on máster on first run

[grave cave]

Yep that one is correct, police M4 for lexi or elmos and thats it

[hazy steeple]

You don't actually need Lefty as your shotgun, a regular ACS+Fast Hands Talent will do fine.

[grave cave]

And if possible rock and roll instead of lefty, It helps a lot stacking

[hazy steeple]

Ah Rock+Roll isn't as good as you think.

no talent means you lose out on any kind of utility or weapon usage buff, and if you manage to get all 20 shots on a target from the base gun, you still get 160 Stacks.

your main gun can handle the rest.

[grave cave]

Nvm, i was with raid/incursion mindset, i forgot the talent is just more bullets

[hazy steeple]

In case anyone's curious: each "bullet" from the ACS is 8 pellets, each pellet counts for 1 stack. So 20x8, ya know.

[dusky sky]

ye, i feel like with fast hand u can actually maintain shotgun dmg with that reload
lefty talent feels so useless

[grave cave]

Yea lefty in general is useless after the change to the perk

[subtle bluff]

No really it's the fastest way to stack

double RoF stats

[magic pilot]

Uhhh no

[dusky sky]

my current chc pretty low

[magic pilot]

The perk still applies to everyone in your group

[grave cave]

Wait fr?

[magic pilot]

The description is wrong

[subtle bluff]

oh ya they still haven

haven't fixed the wording.

[grave cave]

I live in a lie for the past 2 seasons?

[magic pilot]

They went back on that change and never updated the talent

[subtle bluff]

Since TU22

[dusky sky]

the number is wrong ?

[magic pilot]

That looks right

[grave cave]

I remember saw the patch notes on a yt video and he said they change lefty so i stop using it, i feel betrayed

[subtle bluff]

On lefty you can Stats for RoF and then Mod for RoF

they didn't read the Dev Patch notes

ALSO that guy never test stuff it sounds like\

[dusky sky]

mod for lefty? is that future stuff i havent unlock yet ?

[grave cave]

Accesories

Mag, barrel, under barrel, etc

[grave cave]

I dont remember who but i can have the idea of who can be

[grave cave]

With ceska and coyote (and more shd level) u should get way more, like around 50 and with coyote's buff 60 or near to it

[hexed steppe]

no ts chest or bag so couldnt test max stacks but backfire kinda funny here

with chest XD , absolutely ridiculous

[fallen canyon]

So, I just got into endgame and I'm trying to build out a strikers set for solo heroics and general farming. I want to use memento, so I'm running strikers mask and a ceska obliterate chest.

I have two questions, one, for solo with memento, should I run two blue cores four red, or just six red?

Second, do you think the aa-12 setup shotgun is worthwhile running solo? Or is that more for groups. I ask because I'd like to carry an SMG and an ar.

[subtle bluff]

Memento is great for solo. Group eh, raids and other stuff no.
Core all I use is red. If you feel better with a blue go for it but in the end reds kills everything faster.

ACS12 or SMG work.

[fallen canyon]

Yeah no, I'm going to build out a second Coyote set for group content. But solo memento looks so comfy.

I'm a little worried about my crit chance without coyotes, but I'm going to max crit SHD first and use st elmos for damage so I'm gonna skip any crit chance rolls on my strikers unless I really need it.

Thanks!

[warped vale]

What's ur build for those stats?

[meager fog]

Tipping Scales

[subtle bluff]

It’s for fun

[cerulean smelt]

just a "let's push crit damage to the maximum possible for the fun of it" the sheer amount of crit damage on that would probably not be that great in general anyways but would be just a fun thing to see what kind of damage it'd push. would be funny if it became meta somehow though

[spare patio]

is weapon-type damage% a different multiplier than weapon damage%

like, would 10% AR damage be the same as +10% weapon damage?

[meager fog]

They are added together during damage calculations

[hexed steppe]

this was tipping scales 4pc (including chest), ceska vigilance bag, contractors gloves. i was over crit chance cap since i slapped backfire onto a lmg setup. it was a range test tho. i dont think its viable setup like that, since it took a good amount of time to get to full ts stacks. realistically ts bag, highend chest could get close to those numbers with less stacking needed.

ill farm out the bag needed and actually optimize stats and see the true max with backfire tho... for science ofc

[gentle lichen]

i expect chd in the 850%-900%

i would be more interested in just how much less damage would you deal when not critting LMAO

[hexed steppe]

most likely. ill add coyote and use a 5m target

[toxic frigate]

how you even get maxed CHD/CHR gear mods

summit legend?

[versed summit]

just rng. legendary is technically the best way to get them, but from experience challenging countdown still has a great chance to award them

[hexed steppe]

most of my max mods have come out of proficiency caches.

[strong cave]

Crazy but dumb idea-

Take the backpack for tipping scales. Then, obviously, use a Grupo chest piece with glass cannon. Then, use that one mask that has Optimal Range roll on it

Turn backfire into an AR

[hexed steppe]

just gonna grupo coyote with chest and bag. just looking for a meme screenshot

[gentle lichen]

why do that when you can obviously just roll minor on backfire to optimal range
and get accuracy from the new holster

[strong cave]

Actually, Ceska is still needed. But This is the build

[strong cave]

But but but DTTOC bro 🫴

Low-key I might just make this build tomorrow 😂

[rose frigate]

does anyone have a sniper headhunter build that can one shot normal elites on the first shot? im currently running

3 Piece Hotshot
Chain Killer Chest Piece 
Airaldi Backpack with Vigilance 
Fox's Prayer Kneepads 

White Death Expertise 20 with damage to armor 

and with this build im only able to do 7.8mil on the first shot just enough to take out their armor and a bit of their hp

[paper idol]

I have this one.
It does 5mil on the first headshot (shoot a red enemy)
Second headshot does 12-15mil, automatic headshot
3rd one does 20-22mil, insta kill an elite without head armor. As it's a automatic headshot.

[rapid arrow]

Are the turmoil knees actually viable? Or is it just a gimmick

[gentle lichen]

best bet is nemesis as first shot

then switch to white death with the stacks of headhunter and chain away

[violet juniper]

Why Habsburg over Chainkiller?

[gentle lichen]

2 habs WHEN RED is actually better

[violet juniper]

Unless you're on a sniper/one shot build, it's a noob trap

[gentle lichen]

2 blue sniper is not good

[paper idol]

For the 13% headshot damage and 20% marksman rifle damage bonus (you get it when 2 piecing the set)

[violet juniper]

which is better if you're in full red

which he isn't

[magic pilot]

Yea habs isn't worth with blue cores

[paper idol]

I'm only giving him what he asks for.
This build insta kills all elites with 20mil shots.

[rose frigate]

ill try that thanks

[gentle lichen]

person wanted the first shot to kill an elite

[hexed steppe]

op asking about 1st shot kill, not chained.. most headhunter setups will kill 2nd 3rd shot. what you posted, in your own statement, is 2.8mil less than op first shot

[toxic frigate]

you could technically ran a HE one with Improved on knee and holster for extra 20% HSD

[hexed steppe]

worth trying dch+regulus to start chains as well as nemesis mentioned above

[toxic frigate]

and use nemesis as well

[hexed steppe]

@onyx sage , you run wd with streamlined right? how is that on first shot

[onyx sage]

i don't think my number will be relevant since i don't run hotshot

it's HHF which will be lower than a hotshot one

[hexed steppe]

oh fair

[hexed steppe]

@gentle lichen@strong cave i was expecting to see around 930 chd, but actual was a bit lower. this is pretty cursed tho, so dont use unless you want create your own directive... took a long time to stack

[gentle lichen]

you literally do 1/10th of your damage 40% of the time 😭 😭

[hexed steppe]

ikr

im kinda late to the party on ts, but i didnt realize stacking wasnt dependent on hits, but firing only. stacked ok just spamming a pistol into the air

[gentle lichen]

use cooler cause its infinite ammo and reloads itself

-# also possibly doesnt aggro ads like actual guns too need to test

[hexed steppe]

fully stacked in less than 1 cooler mag, jesus

[strong cave]

Have you tried the optimal range setup I mentioned? With Ceska chest?

I'm curious how backfire would work and won't be able to have time till tmr

[hexed steppe]

no, i dont have that mask atm

[strong cave]

Damn 🥲

I'm pretty sure I got it in my stash I'll run a test with it first thing tomorrow. I love a good cursed setup

[hexed steppe]

nice, let me know how it is

[strong cave]

I'll report back when I find out how terrible great it is 🔥

[subtle bluff]

What about it?

[strong cave]

Gave it to local, since they wanted to make a cursed backfire + Tipping build. The gripe with SMGs is the range problem, so taking the one Optimal range mask might make the damage drop off at distance less, and more like an AR

[subtle bluff]

I use the mask in tanker with BF to carry.

[strong cave]

What's the optimal range with it using the mask? If I recall, the backfire has an optimal range of like 25-31 meters

[subtle bluff]

30 iirc

[strong cave]

Unsure what it would be with the mask

So give or take with the mask it'll be round about 40-46m optimal range

[onyx sage]

backfire with optimal range to kill zoo savannah snipers

[subtle bluff]

It's right under 33m for what we need for speeds the chunga we shoot.

[strong cave]

Nah iron horse snipers 😂

Wonder how slingshot would work with the modifiers now 🤔

Might have to pull that out of my stash this season and give it a tickle

[subtle bluff]

I feel like I have to use OD when I take backup calls with modifiers on. On my TS pesti build I blew thru all of my ammo in on CP.

1.4k rpm ammo goes too fast.

[strong cave]

Pestibouros 😂

Even bullet king ammo goes stupidly fast

[hexed steppe]

havent had any issues with pasta lance running out of ammo lately on a ts build... maybe need that perfect glass added in

[lament reef]

gunner helps

survivor is also neat for the cover to cover ammo/sec

[subtle bluff]

I was on gunner... The issue is the more RPM and since I move foward more and I end up on trigger for way longer than anyone else.

[cinder wedge]

are there certain armor pieces or abilities yall would recommend for a ar based build?

i want to go hunter hunting so i am trying tounderstand all teh things to make a build to use on them

[cerulean smelt]

just remember no deployable skills unless you don't mind them hacking them to hit you wtih them XD

[cinder wedge]

oh i know i got the stuff iw as gonn ause on keener a jammer pulse and a chem launcher for them

[glad heart]

If you are smart, you will run hunters on NORMAL difficulty, and use the Scorpio exotic shotgun. No shame on running hunters on lower difficulty, they are always a tough fight.

[cerulean smelt]

DC/NY hunters were tough, brooklyn was a let down honestly

[cinder wedge]

i tihnk its on normal

i really wanna get the fish gun form dc

[cerulean smelt]

hopeing fish gun you're talking about is the F2k?

[cinder wedge]

how does tinkering work like how many things can i mess with before i can't modify a gun anymore?

[cinder wedge]

yup shield splinterer i think its called

[cerulean smelt]

recalibrating you can only change 1 thing on each item, optimizing you can go as high as you got in your library. usually people find a piece that they change the 1 thing for and have like 2-3 optimizations per stat as optimizing from a lower stat gets quite pricey later on

[cinder wedge]

ok thanks because i always transfer or mess with something and can never do anything else with my guns and i feel like tis really unintuitive

maybe that's just a me problem

[cerulean smelt]

nods i don't recall them ever explaining that bit honestly. so i get it can be a bit confusing when you try to change multiple things and can't. think my head went there that i can change an attribute and talent but learned the hard way

[cinder wedge]

any good ars you would recommend messing with al i have is a sig of some sort that does 119.20k damage i think

[cerulean smelt]

the usual choices are Police M4, Carbine 7, Famas and F2k. lexington was up there as well, but i think they nerfed the gun so probably not considered anymore but no clue honestly

[cinder wedge]

does the riot foam count as a status effect?

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[cinder wedge]

gonna keep pressure point on this rifle then

[cinder wedge]

are clutch and unbreakable worth it?

i have it on my chest piece and backpack but i don't know if that is even useful in encounters with high end enemies

also would a full auto dmr build be better dps wise then a ar build?

[subtle bluff]

Clutch got nerfed into the ground.

[subtle bluff]

Best rifle build is OD.

[cinder wedge]

gonna switch it then maybe i have something useful for dps but i might keep unbreakable its saved me a few times

welp i will now not try to fight the hunters for another few months because getting killed by one if a few seconds gets me way to mad

[shy willow]

If you have a pair of exodus gloves they're basically unbreakable but better

[cerulean smelt]

so true, but dont' use boht unbreakable and exodus together as both will go off at the same time so no 3 time chance with them both on

hunters are tough in general since you gotta kill them in a timely manner. if you try to prolong the fight they'll eventuall go poof on you and you gotta respawn them again

considering the few that are "night time only spawns" you'd have to wait 24 hours in game time to respawn them again which can get annoying especially if you're failing a bunch of times

[cerulean smelt]

huh, who would've thought? chameleon, zealot + exodus? interesting combo. just watched roguegold's videof or 2 builds and this was one of them. didn't think exodus gloves would pair so well with zealot honestly

[dreamy spruce]

Just takes some practice to maximize the potential. I run it but with ceska.

[cerulean smelt]

other build he went with, ND, Tardigrade and advanced materils for infnite minigun ammo + nearly infinite unbreakable from tardigrade. figured tip of the spear since that increase specialization weapon damage increase honestly

[cerulean smelt]

he did his with Palisade with obliterate

[dreamy spruce]

Yea I could see it but it’s just not enough armor regen for me to make it worth it. That’s just me though I go for as much damage as possible.

[cerulean smelt]

his chameleon build was striker, exodus gloves and like i said palisade chest. looked nice but i'm done with that modifier and moving on with the journey stuff for ryker say cheese and trying to get level 5 sanitation and praying when i finish i don't get stuck with others unable to finish 8 because the game decided 2 isn't done but it is done bit

what would people think of a weapon core status effect eclipse build for tackling the ryker say cheese modifier?

[subtle bluff]

When doing journey stuff it’s w/e works.

[cerulean smelt]

just thought of HF to disorient them and blind them at once too lol

[subtle bluff]

EP Riot Foam them use Sticky EMP Flamethrower and scorpio

Start the chain and ya

[cerulean smelt]

you might have a point there 🤔

[cerulean smelt]

that could be hilarious with level 5 advanced materials though XD

[violet shadow]

Hey could someone tell me is there a gear set that's for specialization? or no... just my mind playing tricks on my mememory...?

[cerulean smelt]

there is. Tip of the Spear

[violet shadow]

ty

[cerulean smelt]

believe the bonuses are chest/backpack in that spreadsheet

[violet shadow]

I'm going to see what builds I can make with it

[cerulean smelt]

i'm surprised i haven't seen a tip of the spear + advanced material build come out. unlimited spec ammo while it's active sounds pretty amazing with tip of the spear bonuses

[violet shadow]

literally what I was just about to do XD

[cerulean smelt]

watched a roguegold video where he used ND instead with tardigrade

[violet shadow]

I'll share what I make once it's done

[cerulean smelt]

my other build thought was NBB, 1 Tipping Scale, 2 Arcabuz and 2 true patriot with stoner/GR9 lmg with +50 mag from gunner to see how much magazine size that'd give me XD

3 tipping scales, 2 arcabuze on stoner gave me 450 i believe it was. wonder if the 2 patriot would push me in the 500's

[violet shadow]

It might take me a little longer worked called..
But what I was thinking was chest bag Gloves and holster with Turmoils and Maybe Coyotes

But Idk I'll need to mess around With it I'll probably be using the survivalist for the Heals having 2 of the pieces being a blue core with Armor Regen with Incoming repairs running the Either the defender drone and or the fixer drone with the healing mines that survivalist has idk I just find firing a Cross bow with explosive arrows more amusing than the others but that's what I was thinking

Unless you have the piece's and would like to give it ago another thing I was thinking of was using a china lake gear set for explosives damage for like the Cross bow and or grenade launcher

[subtle bluff]

As shown but it’s pointless to ever use.

[hoary atlas]

I Have Matador Backpack but With Chc and ChD also Damage not Armor

But use 4 Armor System Corruption and 1 Coyote Mask

Is that good for Pvp ?

[cerulean smelt]

if you really want to be a nuisance in pvp, exodus gloves with that set could be amusing i'd say plus decoy. pop system corruption armorkit have your nameplate go poof, drop decory nameplate still gone, lose all your armor go up in a puff of smoke lol

[hexed steppe]

run tech class and you can put artificer with the decoy and make it last a while

[subtle bluff]

System Corruption is out classed in PvP by the current builds out there.

[rapid arrow]

This has been helping with the retals. Any advice to make it stronger? (i've tried cheska chest with oblit and the turmoils)

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil is almost never the answer but other yes Cheska w/obli would be better.
Strikers is still better in normal/open PvE.

if you're having issues with modifiers on then it's a you issues tbh.

[hoary atlas]

I see well im gonna use alternative gear for Matador

[strong cave]

Do NOT take matador for system corruption. The sys corr backpack is a must with that gearset. Additionally, the set itself is outclassed by every other build for pvp (with the exception to Crit high end setups). Umbra will beat it, Regen will beat it, skill builds will beat it, regulus will beat it, Nemesis will beat it, Hotshot/MMR builds will beat it, shotgun builds will beat it, and so on.

Sys Corr is basically just an Anti-Pulse gearset and only really works against Spotter/Heartbreaker builds when fully pulse immune. It sort of works to this day in terms of being viable, but that's all build dependent on what your enemy is running. You're better off taking anything else

[pliant pelican]

i am curious i jsut unlocked Overdogs. could i fit that in this build if i eqiup Heart mask, or would that be bad?

• exotic Gloves from season pass [Overdogs]

[strong cave]

Should slot in fine with HBreaker mask as replacement

Just make sure you have enough Crit chance on your build

[pliant pelican]

the gloves do give me 5.5% chc & 11% chd atm. what would you say, is the treshhold if switching out mask?

[hoary atlas]

What about 4 system Corruption with Exodus gloves ?

[pliant pelican]

With overdogs gloves. i am at 53.9% chc & 103.8% chd

• with old setup i am at 54.5% chc & 100.2% chd

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't worry about minor crit changes. It's mostly from not being fully optimized yet

[pliant pelican]

ah, idm either. trynna get a nice build all in all :p

[strong cave]

As long as your weapon is near the 55-60 CHC cap (60), you're in a good spot

[strong cave]

Taking system corruption and using Exodus defeats the purpose. I've done tests with it and found a majority of the meta builds for PvP will still know where you are even in the smoke (since time to kill is extremely short). Coyote Mask would be best in slot since Sys Corr is a face fighting monster

You can get away with Tinkerer mask as well, but you'll have to play more tactically and run it as a 3/3 setup instead of a 4B/2R

Sys Corr's weakness is the armor kits themselves, the requirement to kill to replenish armor, and Distance fighting. It's better used in groups or in a 1v1 scenario up close VS heartbreaker or any simple high end setup. Occasionally, depends how bad someone's aim is, it can compete against bighorn regen. Not always but depends on the player

[hoary atlas]

I see, im gonna do research it before use on PVP, thanks for the tips

[strong cave]

these are the only builds i can really recommend for Sys Corr (the last one is for simple landmark farming)

with the tinkerer one use BLB or Regulus

Famas would also fit better but I'm a sucker for the Tar21 and like using it sometimes 🤷

[grizzled garnet]

On a determined build when hitting an enemy while having turmoil does it hsd both?

Bc if so that seems... pretty strong

[magic pilot]

No headshot is sad

[strong cave]

At that rate just run Regen since a Regen build will easily outperform it

Regen doesn't need to wait 20s for an armor kit

[tired crater]

how can I improve this HB build for pve heroic?

[strong cave]

Take the chest instead and not the backpack

[tired crater]

ok, so swap it? what talent?

[strong cave]

None. Take heartbreaker chest

Ceska bag Vigi will work just fine as well

Personally I'd strip 1 blue off and run it as a 3/3 setup

[tired crater]

yes, ceska bag with what talent?

[strong cave]

Vigi. As stated

[tired crater]

oh, sorry, thougt vigi was gear name 😄

cool, thanks

[strong cave]

No, vigilance is a talent. Often shortened to Vigi. It's not to be mistaken with the named backpack Vigil

[broken cradle]

Need to farm for turmoil, can anyone help?

[strong cave]

Turmoil isn't farmable. Event exclusive only

They're not all that great either

[broken cradle]

@strong cave direct me?

[strong cave]

Direct you where? You can't get Turmoil rn because their respective events are over

[solar prairie]

Can the repair hive and Chem launcher repair shields?

[strong cave]

Repair hive, yes. chem launch, no, not to my knowledge

Not a good idea to use a shield near a repair hive. It eats charges like no tomorrow

[broken cradle]

@strong cave good to know thnx

[gentle lichen]

is m700 tactical good?

[magic rapids]

are the shroud and the breaking point gear set worth it?

for sniper builds

[strong cave]

Breaking point is poo poo. Don't use it. Hotshot is best. M700 Tac ain't bad @gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

triple godroll basically but i cant get white death or classic m700 for the life of me

[strong cave]

White death is best in slot of course. I myself use the Custom M44 variant with the mag slot

[magic rapids]

what about the shroud?

[strong cave]

Shroud is niche but it can work depending the build... Which for MMR, you're pretty much limited to high end or Hotshot

Wouldn't main shroud tbh

[magic rapids]

so either nemesis, white death or m700?

[onyx sage]

no, turmoil damage doesn't count as headshot

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing

[strong cave]

White Death or M700. Nemesis wouldn't use unless you need to 1 tap an elite off the start if no reds

White death is best in slot. Go with that over anything

[magic rapids]

which talent?

[strong cave]

Determined. The only talent worth taking on MMRs

[hexed steppe]

Run capital a few times and you'll have a bag full of whitedeaths

[magic pilot]

Turmoil isn't very good, I wouldn't bother even trying to get it if it was available

[magic pilot]

Woah woah woah

[coral reef]

brother i'm seeing so much turmoil builds on people I play with online... i'm starting to think they're up to something

[strong cave]

Nah it's the newbies falling into traps

[coral reef]

thank god for #td2-build-advice for keeping me sane

[magic pilot]

People that follow whatever guy on YouTube says is good without figuring it out themselves

[strong cave]

What's up guys, Kamikaze von doom here with ANOTHER build video

And in today's video, I bring to you: DPS foundry bulwark

[solar sable]

oh god please no

[subtle bluff]

🤢

[strong cave]

🤣

[glad heart]

Be sure to smash that like button and SUBSCRIBE.....

[strong cave]

I'd rather smash my head in

[coral reef]

Hey MrChow good afternoon! have you guys updated the build list to include Tipping Scales? or not yet

[subtle bluff]

I know we should.

[subtle bluff]

I really been wanting to work on a DPS building guide to keep things simpler.

[magic pilot]

He had a paid video way back and it was just 4 foundary, memento with DH-HH chest

Oh nvm wrong guy, but it was still hilarious

[magic pilot]

Soon, I should have a lot of time tomorrow to put something together

I'll try and update the sheet as well

[subtle bluff]

tbh the guide is pretty much like Strikers just different how stacks are done.

[coral reef]

we love to make fun of youtubers here but they're getting their own apparel items in the game! 🙀

[strong cave]

Only the good ones

[magic pilot]

Overall they are pretty good, I just don't pay attention to their build vidoes

[coral reef]

and they all are unique looking, not just a logo in a tshirt

[dreamy valve]

Even I draw the line at dps foundry bulwark

[strong cave]

Red true patriot would do loads more than DPS foundry

[strong cave]

Rogue and DJ both deserve their apparel. They practically lead the community with updates and changes

[coral reef]

I saw those two because I follow them, probably because someone recommended them here. Are there more creators with exclusive apparel items out there?

[magic pilot]

Outside of NBS dz shenanigans he's pretty solid

[strong cave]

Wouldn't be surprised if Skillz or Tux got apparel as well. They cover the game pretty well

[magic pilot]

Skillz did

[strong cave]

Nice 🔥

[magic pilot]

Tux probably won't because he's violated TOS previously

[strong cave]

Holdup how?

[magic pilot]

He had paid build videos way back

[strong cave]

Ah yeah that makes sense. That really sucks. People don't like him for weird reasons and I never understood why. The paid thing sucks for sure but he does update the community during events pretty good. Especially the math behind the Scammer caches

[magic pilot]

He's come a long way, I've been featured in a few of his videos now

[coral reef]

I need Till Mortar, Mr Chow and Average Player apparel gear yesterday

[strong cave]

GC Rock for sure will get apparel

He deserves it to the extreme

[coral reef]

GCRock is a person?

i thoght it was like a collective of people

[strong cave]

Ye he's the one behind the entire GCRock raid server

[coral reef]

damn, mad respect too

[strong cave]

He leads probably the biggest community clan on division. Check his YT out he posts guides constantly

Gaming Brigade deserves it too tbh imo

[subtle bluff]

I mean to the point he has 2 servers because of issues of it being big.
But also some of his build thoughts and strats still hurt to see...

[strong cave]

From what I've seen so far he just goes for simplicity sake

[subtle bluff]

You could go simpler.

[magic pilot]

Sometimes people go too simple

You do slightly more "advanced Strats" it takes half the time

[versed summit]

I think a lot of his strats tend to just be overkill as well, like a lot of emphasis on buff builds where you already have enough damage.

[viral field]

PVP build any tips

[subtle bluff]

#td2-pvp-discussions

[magic pilot]

@coral reef found you 👀

[onyx sage]

nah your merch is coming next patch

Kawaiizilla backpack dye

[hazy steeple]

It is going to be funny watching people get specifically farmed in the DZ for wearing a creators outfit that the person dislikes.

"Halo in TF2" style.

[coral reef]

say hi

[steep glen]

two questions.

1. is foundry bulwark even worth using?
2. does repair skills affect how much it repairs you? I would assume not.

[glad heart]

Foundry Bulwark makes a really good tank build. However, a tank build is really only useful in the Iron Horse Raid, more specifically, for the last area with Morozova. As far as your second question, I am not so well versed on the skill end of things.

[coral reef]

Yes, in a group, in some parts of a raid/incursion can be helpful to have an actual tank. Solo? Nah

2. Yes of course

[subtle bluff]

HOOOOOLLD On.... Incursion NEVER bring a tank but also tanks are really only used in IH for one fight.

Bad Kawai! Incursion tank hurts me.

[hazy steeple]

"tech tank" is quite popular these days in general high-end play though, e.g. Retal's, etc. Mostly for solo.

[subtle bluff]

It's a good way to learn how to "peak"/Peak/Pie cover well.

[hazy steeple]

As a rule, if you need to work out the best build for a mission type, think of what the objective is.
If it's "kill things as fast as possible", you should take a build that can do that.

[steep glen]

really??? shit, that's cool, thanks. Any gear sets that are worth running solo? In my experience here's what I've got so far.

Yes: Striker's, Hunter's, Tipping Scales (so I hear), Negotiator's, Breaking Point (i'm iffy on this one), Hotshot

Meh: Patriot, Hard Wired, Measured Assembly (kicks ass at support), Aces and eights

Funny, but no: Ortiz, tip of the spear, heartbreaker (seems to suck in high difficulty stuff but maybe it's a skill issue on my part)

I haven't tried any of the others, also haven't really done much building with brand sets but I'm trying to poke around at that. Any agree/disagree with my takes?

[subtle bluff]

Not bad at all.

OD (Ongoing Directive) is really good

It's all in the Pinned Messages

[cerulean smelt]

brandset wise. i still have a 3pc providence (sacrifice/gift) contractor's, fox's and mask pretty much what you want, think i went grupo since i'm capped on crit chance

[hazy steeple]

obligatory: it's still worth using ceska over grupo and swapping your mods around, since you'll get marginally more crit stats overall.
but that's just digging for issues with your build at that point.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i know, but the build as is, is maxed at 60% chc, ceska would push it further past the the cap so, it's not really needed

[solar sable]

?

[cerulean smelt]

nods with what i listed. 54% crit chance gun would push it to 60 anyways. ceska would've taken me beyond that cap

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure you can work out what the rest of this conversation would be.

[magic pilot]

It does not affect foundary repair

[hexed steppe]

you dont need ceska on this typical highend. you would only ceska use if not using 3x prov.

[hexed steppe]

but you also dont put chance on contractor's or fox's, they are either chd or not used. you chance your weapon first

[steep glen]

Thanks 👍

[magic pilot]

Well technically if you are running Lex, ceska>grupo and then swap weapon mods to chd

[hexed steppe]

whole point of 3xprov is being able to stack the grupo on top

[hazy steeple]

This is why I always like having ceska on, it just makes more sense even if you are fine without it.

[magic pilot]

Yea that was pre crit brand nerf and attachment buff

[hexed steppe]

how much was ceska and the providence chc nerf??

[cerulean smelt]

i thought they increased those numbers on those honestly?

[hexed steppe]

no, was like a 2% nerf

if you need to take ceska on something you dont take contractor's generally

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/OwWgzCBMIIxSAGRympehAuSBOeE5oBWADg3LVUzEPFngDYiKWqAWOGNuuS1i7M2gF+fMdm4wIIsaJTYSENDGiQkYBiGCbxsvfP2HMWQwbkIgA

ceska

[hazy steeple]

Yeah it went from 10% to 8% in the Ceska area.

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwdgtATGDMbJYAMSXLajiBcECcDZ4oBWADkwvTS2iJjgQDZjLXqAWeYd++KtyjhZRCA-uJw9gsUeLGocpWD2TAoEZNEZgQ+CXIMLDxrNmNH5iIA

grupo

Ceska= 60/176
grupo= 57/179

10,560
10,203

Ceska wins

[hazy steeple]

As with all things, Ceska wins.

[magic pilot]

I've learned that when in doubt, ceska

[hazy steeple]

Ceska saved my dog from a fire.

[hexed steppe]

fair

da fuq grupo... supposed to have my back 😂

[magic pilot]

Ceska is also easier to get an even 50%

[hazy steeple]

Grupo once sneezed at a salad bar.

[subtle bluff]

It’s a good time to post this update. It’s up the pinned to just not this one yet.

[hexed steppe]

i think im off cause i usually use elmo and it forces overcap if using ceska. its fair for highend weapon

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build layout and SHD level

[hexed steppe]

it overcaps since you dont have control over the mods on elmo, like a highend can swap chc to chd. elmo overcaps. builds are above

but the build tool also doesnt even register the chd mod on elmo, unfortunately

[onyx sage]

how do i get more chc/chd on my 5p improv build

[hexed steppe]

use backfire

[onyx sage]

man i wish we had last season modifiers so i can have infinite crit damage

big numbers good

[hexed steppe]

i still miss momentum and oc on demand

[onyx sage]

okay enough being average i wish someone would carry me

[hexed steppe]

you running any retal?

[onyx sage]

i'm running low on sleep

[hasty sluice]

heartbreaker is great running a hybrid red blue. you need 1 dps gun and one gun for building stacks.

[devout iris]

what should i use if i anna run striker bullet king

[subtle bluff]

You want to run Tipping Scales if you want to use BK.

[devout iris]

tipping scale?

also should my striker peices be a mix or red and blue core or just red?

[hoary sail]

this season gear set.
Full red more dps

[devout iris]

ok and should i have memento on too or/

[subtle bluff]

You can. You can kinda of treat TS like strikes setup wise.

[subtle bluff]

I'm all red most of the end game content pretty is all red.

[hoary sail]

i don't use it. But u can if u you r solo. In grp it's not that good

[blazing notch]

When using the build planner, if I load up the Chameleon for instance. It shows the mag size at 50? But the wiki (if it can be trusted) shows that the mag size is 30? Is there something I'm missing here. Sorry, I'm a noob.

[dreamy spruce]

Its 50 for sure

[blazing notch]

Okay thanks

[subtle bluff]

Wiki is not updated or accuracy by any means.

[devout iris]

but also should i get the tipping spears chest piece and back pack?

[hoary sail]

backpack yes chest i don't play with it

[devout iris]

alright then i suppose i should also get the contractor' s gloves as well

[meager fog]

Wiki in this case is accurate.

Exotic weapons have set mods on them. The wiki states it has a 30 base magazine size, but the Chameleon comes with a +20 round magazine mod built in. Giving it 50 rounds.

[rocky cape]

Anyone can share a build with lmg in this season?

[patent fossil]

Check the builds in the pinned spreadsheet - strikers, Negotiators, ongoing directive and tipping scales all work well with lmgs.

[coral reef]

So I was matchmaking for retaliation last night and only a guy showed up... full Foundry Bulwark. I said 'ok a tank, he can aggro while I shoot, perfect'. He proceeded to SPRINT in a straight line to the first control point ignoring everything in his path, aggroing everything, while I cleaned up behind, alone. We didnt make it

[steep glen]

I still for some reason feel motivated to try and create a hybrid build with foundry bulwark

[obtuse crystal]

honestly might be better doing that with heartbreaker it gives damage and bonus armor when you gain a stack

[paper belfry]

What's the "best" type of hotshot build?
I'd love a good 1hit build, but have been debating on whether to use shroud or a weapon with determined

[red island]

any sniper with determined will be better to keep the streak going, otherwise nemesis will be the highest damage output on a single shot

but i guess if you can hit head consistently, shroud should work nicely

tho its talent will be kinda useless cause its working backward

[paper belfry]

could you pair the shroud with those new gloves, that have the same talent in reverse?
But I am assuming for myself, determined would be better due to not being the most accurate 😂
so once the ball is rolling i'll be fine

[obtuse crystal]

If using to get the first stack nemesis will do better for that

[red island]

gloves are way better ye

[patent fossil]

It's hard to beat determined and 4pc hotshot for sheer ease of use, but you could maybe run overdogs and the hotshot bag for (situationally) slightly more damage and fewer dropped stacks

(compared to airaldi vigilance bag)

[red island]

oh yeah def, the hotshot bonus with bag is insanely noob friendly

[patent fossil]

Then just hotswap shroud in when you get the 'rogue agent' notification for all the damage

[zealous axle]

what is a good legendery bulid? i'm using hunter furry and chatter box

with memento backpack

[coral reef]

not that one for sure, that shield aint protecting you there friend

[subtle bluff]

That doesn't work in leggo for sure. Strikers is the solo leggo but the build is only small part of doing leggo well.

[zealous axle]

lol ya def

[zealous axle]

oh ok, cool i have a striker bulid, i just really unsure of it since i have such low armor

[onyx sage]

the playstyle is you pick the correct position that lets you kill enemies before being surrounded

and also target priority. the key is to not get shot while being able to shoot

[zealous axle]

my striker bulid is, striker, coyotes mask and Elmo's

[onyx sage]

that's worked fine, i've soloed many legs with that

[coral reef]

Remember that this is a cover shooter In Legendary is mandatory to do it, also, use a drone or even better a decoy

[onyx sage]

like what chow said, it's more about strategy and gameplay than the build, if you look on youtube there are full red runs you can watch to learn from, those help you more than what we can tell you here

[zealous axle]

oh ok, i use revive hive and crusader

[coral reef]

no shields!

[zealous axle]

lol ok

i'll prob switch to decoy then

thanks for the help

[onyx sage]

trust me, watch an actual run to see how people do it so you know what to do

[zealous axle]

ok, thank you :)

[magic pilot]

Shield is fine

[cinder wedge]

is there certain weapon talent or amor talents which would be good for tanking damage and dealing damage that don't require killing several enemies to activate?

i want to make a build for solo hunting hunters so i am trying to make something that would allow me to take them out before they can take me out

[onyx sage]

not really, you just want a lot of damage and play better so you don't take much damage

good positioning is what you need to learn, if you play well you will not take that much damage to warrant taking much survivability buffs

[magic pilot]

Depending on which hunters you are fighting there is different strats

[onyx sage]

for floor 100 hunters you can just oxi. for others there are some strats but striker is just overall best in taking them out quick

[magic pilot]

Oxi or HH

[faint mortar]

So trying to figure out which legendary build to go with I personally like to run and gun pop a shield and mow down enemies but I feel with my current back fire with arm regeneration build is nice but not optimal so I was thinkin about a tipping scales with gr9 ticker with frenzy measured but if I go full red I can hit 1.5mil dps but I’m wondering if I can get better numbers or more survivable with striker

[red island]

striker wont make you survive more, but you'll get more overall dps, not just crit

[subtle bluff]

Go try it then.

[onyx sage]

from my experience striker is still overall more consistent

[subtle bluff]

Most cleaner runs is done with reds

[faint mortar]

So if striker should I stick to ticker setup with gr9 or swap to an ar and shield

[subtle bluff]

Tinkerer?

[faint mortar]

Ya

[onyx sage]

you could try both. if suppressing becomes a problem then reconsider lmgs

[subtle bluff]

If you scroll up and read what we just talked about leggo's.

We're gonna repeat ourselves if you don't mind reading up for us. 🙏

[honest moss]

How does oxi-ing floor 100 hunters work? Not planning on trying it but sounds interesting.

[cinder wedge]

i want to get the open world ones done with and i am trying to use only my guns because I'm not used to using otehr skills and the ones i do use will most likely get hacked

[faint mortar]

Understood read above striker is the go to for legendary all red and shoot in cover and Elmo’s and coytoe is best dmg?

[cinder wedge]

i use a ar primarily and i am still trying to figure out the crafting or tinkering system

i was thinking of putting composure on my back pack due to sticking to cover agressively i only have gold items and i bet i haven't optimized them very well if at all so i am trying to make do with what i have

[onyx sage]

it's the most common

[onyx sage]

just put the world on normal

[cinder wedge]

i have it on normal

[onyx sage]

then any build should be able to clear them

if this is a problem you're really just lacking damage on the build, you really just need damage

faster they die the easier you live

[cinder wedge]

i first need to make a build but due to not fully understanding what to do to get the right parts or what i am looking for i am just trying to modify certain weapons rn to try to make them a lil ebtter

i was thinking of putting strained or optimist on my police m4 replica

as i sad i am relying on my weapons over everything else rn

[meager fog]

GR9 is bad with Frenzy. Mag size is too big

Also, not sure where you got 1.5m DPS from but that's actually horrific if true.

[cinder wedge]

would the sniper special weapon be useful agains ta hunter?

[meager fog]

Best way to kill a hunter is to get a disruptive status off before they use their EMP. Makes them a sitting duck

[cinder wedge]

disruptive status? which ones?

[meager fog]

Which Hunters are you talking about, firstly?

[cinder wedge]

open world ones

top of my bucket list is get the masks and my world is on normal

[patent fossil]

fire, foam, shock will all make them vulnerable

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/4VU8iOMNgy4?si=hNw4WRlLhYqSJJ-U

[magic pilot]

Shock trap/ foam

[glad heart]

Most useful weapon against Hunters is Scorpio. Locks the down, and keeps them locked down as you shoot them.

[cinder wedge]

how do you get it?

[glad heart]

Target shotguns in Summit or Countdown

It is an exotic shotgun

[cinder wedge]

can you do it in freeroam?

[glad heart]

Yes it is in the general loot pool, exotic caches, etc, but faster if you farm it in summit or countdown.

[vital galleon]

I need build advice and just in general I’m not very good at making builds I also don’t know all the small details of a build or what’s going I usually just look up builds but I would like to get a general consensus

[meager fog]

Check the pinned messages in this chat. Plenty of builds in there.

Start with a Strikers build, easiest build to farm and the most versatile (also happens to be the best build in the game)

[worn imp]

most accurate semi auto sniper? thinking of a second sniper to run for my nemesis habsburg/hotshot build

[hasty sluice]

id say if you want semi use a svd

[worn imp]

does it have the fastest aim recentering or what?

least recoil i mean?

[hasty sluice]

Its recoil is very nice tbh. you can use the named svd "handbasket" it has lower fire rate for higher hs dmg

[subtle bluff]

Why are so many people doing this and still doing it wrong...

[violet juniper]

dump the holster for hotshot!!!

[worn imp]

no

[violet juniper]

Use an Airaldi bag instead of Providence too

[viral field]

Bighorn pve build?

[worn imp]

why?

[violet juniper]

MMR damage is worth more than headshot

[worn imp]

how much more?

[violet juniper]

much more

also pumps up your damage for popping helmets

[red island]

basically u want as many different sources of damage to multiply their efficiency

mmr damage, headshot damage, dttooc damage, armor damage, etc

[patent fossil]

it's not just that, headhunter stack size is a factor of mmr damage, but not headshot damage. so HSD will help more on first hit with no HH stacks but MMR damage will increase maximum damage once stacks are up

[onyx sage]

i should make an infographic

[red island]

an average infographic

[honest moss]

Ty

[solar sable]

please upload more average legendary runs instead

[onyx sage]

i'm washed

[smoky latch]

Bighorn belongs in PvP

[red island]

so is everyone here, you're not special dont worry

[subtle bluff]

Help me finish mine...

[wintry raven]

would it be better to run hunter killer or inti chest with matador and 3 gila catharsis

or protected reload belfast chest

[cerulean smelt]

if only i knew what belfast chest is, i'd be able to tell you , but the burning question is what are you trying to accomplish build wise?

[subtle bluff]

More context……

[cerulean smelt]

looking at 3 gila and catharsis seems some kind of armor regen build? pvp build of some sort? this channel mostly focuses on PVE builds #td2-pvp-discussions will help you with pvp builds if that's what you're aiming for

[wintry raven]

sorry im sped i meant belstone

[subtle bluff]

Again context…PvP or PvE?

[wintry raven]

PvP

with bighorn

solo

[subtle bluff]

Not hunter killer stack doesn’t make a difference vs a better bra set bonus

[wintry raven]

okay so maybe belstone inti chest?

[subtle bluff]

that’s one way

[wintry raven]

are there any better ways

[subtle bluff]

There isn’t a best way to say that’s more base on player and what’s there going against. Like an above mentioned there is a channel dedicated to this.

[worn imp]

thats very well and clearly put, thx for explanation

[subtle bluff]

Well if scroll down more the better reason was said too.

[red island]

shhhh let me have that moment of glory for once

[subtle bluff]

You're not wrong at all tho

[red island]

that's the spirit, my self esteem is going better now

[cinder wedge]

what enemy tier should i use in the shooting range to test my damage on a freeroam dc hunter? do they all have the same health?

[subtle bluff]

Named? It's more tho. Why does it matter?

[cinder wedge]

just wanted to see how my ar does at close and longer range in the firing range

left is far right is close

if i am reading it right and using it right there is a very real possibility i am wrong and a dumb arse XD

[subtle bluff]

The range is buggy in general so things will come up wrong.

You can get your bullet dmg but your dps doesn't work.

[cinder wedge]

oh oki

[subtle bluff]

Shooting past 45m isnt really a thing

[cinder wedge]

wonder if that will ever be fixed

[magic pilot]

updated tipping scales build after watching Ikias video and doing a few open world activities with it. will try in legendary DUA tomorrow

[subtle bluff]

The range?

[subtle bluff]

Get it. I've done 2 master and leggo but using Iron Lung.

[cerulean smelt]

when Average carried me in zoo, i can tell you a frenzied stoner pretty much destroys a chunga

[hazy steeple]

There's a pun in there about stoners and activity but I'm too tired to see it.

[cerulean smelt]

Ai being tired? tha'ts never heard of before (> <)

[hazy steeple]

I had a long day of stealing everyone's artwork.

6 fingered pictures don't make themselves!

[fathom panther]

What is this chest?

[meager fog]

Ceska Glass Cannon chest

25% extra damage dealt 50% extra damage taken. Very powerful as it amps ALL your damage done. But also very risky. Makes you basically a marshmallow to enemies

[solar prairie]

I havent seen his movie yet, but is GC what he recommends for this build?

[solar prairie]

Agent cremated

[subtle bluff]

Any Damage build can use GC and for most of the time GC or PGC is BiS due it's the highest amp chest talents.

[wild lily]

Is refractor better than pure healing fi?

and is red fi a meme still

[subtle bluff]

No. Nothing beat FI for healing.
It was never a meme? It's used for niche reason and why it's good there.

[wild lily]

I was told it was not that good for many reasons when attempting to make one

[subtle bluff]

For which one?

[wild lily]

Red fi

It was a while ago tho

[subtle bluff]

There's one for speed runs and for CD. Again it's a niche build for niche reasons.

[wild lily]

Alr i see

[subtle bluff]

There other off meta builds with it.

[wild lily]

Yes okay

in overall like leg/raid content is fi or refactor preferred?

[buoyant perch]

haven't watched the video but iKia always presents options, never one singular OVERPOWAAA MUST TRY BEST BUILD

[subtle bluff]

The normal FI build is best support overall.
Refactor doesn't do good in raids.

[wild lily]

Okay thanks💪🏼

[buoyant perch]

Healer is a dedicated role that requires some knowledge/experience in raid. With Iron Horse there are different healer builds for different phases. Most raids require a red build for beginners.

[wild lily]

So i heard, how about legendary? is it worth it

[buoyant perch]

Yeah it's fine

Both FI and refactor are OK

[sweet kiln]

Anyone can advise a build for headshots without being good at headshots? Like if I damage the body or something it would count as headshots under X circumstances.

[subtle bluff]

Try again...

There's hotshot build with determined

[patent fossil]

With determined you only need to hit headshots at the start and after shooting an enemy with a helmet (or otherwise failing to kill them in one shot) - the rest of the time you can just keep hitting body shots

[sweet kiln]

So first shot "has to count" basically?

[patent fossil]

It has to kill them with a headshot

[wild lily]

use headhunter with determined to chain it easily

[azure radish]

Hey guys i haven't long time played division 2!!
Any recommandation for a build

[patent fossil]

See the pinned spreadsheet for a list of good build guides. If you want to keep running hunters fury then just swap mask to HF one and chest to a high end (ceska obliterate or intimidate).
Oh, and swap your weapon talent to killer or something

[strong cave]

I'd recommend using a whole new build entitely

[versed summit]

The build isn’t that bad

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, with just changing the mask to a crit focused one, it's pretty much done.

(assuming the rolls on the gear support that, it's more than workable)

[strong cave]

Change the mask to a hunters fury mask, then swap the chest for one with intimidate and it's done

Probably go Soko/Grupo since SMGs have good crit chance anyways

[hazy steeple]

Or ceska+oblit.
but either way "whole new build" is overkill.

[strong cave]

Only reason I say whole new build is that they start with striker first and then branch out. This setup doesn't really work outside of solo play

[hazy steeple]

Let's not taint every new player with the evils of Striker.

[strong cave]

Which if they'll be farming for pieces, esp in countdown, HF won't work that well

Striker or Nothing, kinda like Nerf or Nothing 😂

[hazy steeple]

I mean, hardly. You can use loads of builds in CD to farm out the rest.
Any gearset build that's not strictly skill proxy based will do fine. I'd honestly suggest OD over Strikers for newbies, means they're still helping out the team, since they're likely not killing much/maintaining stacks at that low a SHD anyway.

[strong cave]

OD is another good set to use aside from Strikers, can't argue with that

[toxic frigate]

OD is great

[magic pilot]

I'm really enjoying tipping scales

[toxic frigate]

TS is striker for MG

[coral reef]

pair this with the new Say Cheese! superpower and you will be unstoppable

[hazy steeple]

Finding a use for Blinder Firefly was not on my bingo card for 2025.

[magic pilot]

Basically

[grizzled garnet]

If you mean with OD build i prefer using riot foam

[hazy steeple]

Say Cheese modifier.
lets you blind enemies to cool it down faster.

For OD I just use Banshee Pulse.

it's self sustaining after the first one, if I need more I can gunner-nade.

[grizzled garnet]

Ah. Theres the diff between our od builds. I run survivalist for the status damage increase

[hazy steeple]

Bleed is not a good status, so there's not a whole lot of point to focus on that.

Survivalist is still nice to run for the Crossbow vs Tanks.

[grizzled garnet]

I thought survivalist was increased damage to enemies affected by status 🤔

Ye

Survivalist Tactical Link Group members get 10% bonus damage to targets with status effects

[hazy steeple]

Group members get 10% bonus damage to targets with status effects
It does, but the AoK is probably still better, it depends on your build though.
e.g. I already run the Tink setup, which has a Wicked BP, Sadist+Killer.
and Banshee Pulse is very good for applying that initial proc of Bleed Bullets.

[grizzled garnet]

I might play around see what i prefer

But survivalist is nice for group since it lets frends to more damage. And in group play gunner is mainly providing ammo which od already does

[hazy steeple]

I've just given you 2 other reasons why Gunner is useful.

and both are player focused.

[grizzled garnet]

Yeye

[hazy steeple]

The extra ammo is less than worthless, if you're killing as much as you should be, and constantly re-proccing OD.

[magic pilot]

Gunner is mostly just for the AoK

[hazy steeple]

Maybe if someone in the team is a Tink Striker SMG and is absolutely spamming shots, but even then.

@magic pilot Banshee Pulse for OD is fantastic.

It's also quite useful in getting someone out of cover.

[magic pilot]

Oh true

I also use banshee on my OD setup

[hazy steeple]

I had this amazing moment today. Ran a Heroic Hyena Retal', put the Hyena shield shooty modifier on, and Rupert's Tear.
was able to almost 1-mag an entire wave at a CP.

This season's modifiers are no joke.

[magic pilot]

They are always really strong imo

[hazy steeple]

I wasn't a fan of last season's stuff, felt too situational.
this one feels like I can slap it on any build, and the main difference between them all are the active ones.

e.g. Advanced Materials is great on a shooty build, as it lets me actually use the minigun, but is interesting on a hybrid, since it buffs up the skills.

[lament reef]

i love rupert’s tear so much
all their armor blows off and then they die in one pestilence tick

[toxic frigate]

feels like i might opting for gunner in DZ, man lacking armor kits because not running efficient in favour of Companion

[strong cave]

gunner isnt terrible but firewall is usually best because of the kit itself even when not running efficient

[vague wedge]

Are there really no blueprints for tipping scales?

[onyx sage]

journey 8

[strong cave]

i have the blueprints for TS kneepads and im only on journey 4

[pastel tapir]

is it better to have 9.5% cc on weapon while having 11.9% cd on mod, or 10% cd on weapon and 6%cc on mods?
|

[lament reef]

depends on your total chd and chc

multiply your chc and chd together and see which combination gives the highest number

[strong cave]

crowd control?

[pastel tapir]

ttk

[strong cave]

youre talking crit hit chance? the abbreviation is chc/chd

[lament reef]

oh my bad

[strong cave]

cc means crowd control here

[pastel tapir]

critical chane

[onyx sage]

i just see them as rewards for journey 8, which is just based on whether you finished journeys 1 thru 7 btw

[onyx sage]

9.5% chc on weapon always better

[strong cave]

might be a bug on my end or something. im not sure. but I can confirm i have the kneepad blueprints. didnt bother to check if I have anything else

[onyx sage]

no i mean completing journey 4 completes 1 objective in journey 8 which gives you those blueprints

[strong cave]

wtf 💀 welp that explains everything then

[onyx sage]

journey 8 is all about completing the previous journeys

[red island]

its bugged for journey 2 :(

[onyx sage]

perfect game no flaws

[red island]

small indie company

[coral reef]

I have that bug. Finished everything and it says I need to finish Journey 2 👀

[forest drum]

just got st elmo and memto backpack for my striker build, ive been seeing a lot of builds running full striker with the backpack, I use a fenris chest piece and the rest is striker, any ideas to optimize the damage further? im new so looking for tips, also my secondary is the winter vector with the killer talent

[coral reef]

wanna optimize damage? trade Memento for Coyote's Mask

[onyx sage]

no fenris, use ceska

[red island]

4 piece striker is enough, u dont need full

its best to use bagpack striker, ceska chest with obliterate, coyote mask, and rest striker

[forest drum]

whats the diff between fenris and ceska? also i was using coyote but feel i get more damage with backpack instead

[onyx sage]

ceska gives crit chance, you want more crit

[red island]

fenris is just ar damage, ceska is crit

crit is way stronger

[forest drum]

ahhh gotcha okay

[onyx sage]

coyote is stronger and you don't rely on stacks

[forest drum]

how much crit chance do i need in my build and how much crit damage?

[red island]

50 to 60% crit chance is best

[forest drum]

gotcha and should i be all red cores or should i throw in armor so im not a glass cannon?

[red island]

all red, 1 armor core wont matter

[forest drum]

okay cool ill get on it then thanks yall

[red island]

gl

[red island]

i'd search for the chest first, cause its the hardest to get imo, since there is 3 random stat and u can reroll only 1

rest is easier to get

[forest drum]

ok ill prob do countdown for it tbh hshs

[red island]

yeah its ur best drop activity

[tardy falcon]

Does anyone have a nice eclipse build or explosive build to share my way plz?😈😊

[red island]

check pinned comment for the list of builds

[hexed steppe]

look up mortar supremacy 😎 , its in the pinned sheet, and also linked in my profile.

[coral reef]

when someone is running mortars in co-op... do I see the red circle where the mortars are landing right? just the same as with an enemy mortar?

[onyx sage]

yeah you do

that's why mortar build is BiS for kelso manhunt

[coral reef]

it's so confusing, i keep rolling out of them and then i think... but this area don't have mortars normally

[onyx sage]

next time you do kelso just /invite localdeck

[coral reef]

it's not like it happens a lot

[dreamy valve]

I always enjoy an ego boost at times

[strong cave]

What are you even running 💀

[coral reef]

show build pls

[dreamy valve]

My patented 6 blue core Ravenous build for Retaliation

[strong cave]

I-

[dreamy valve]

I didn't tell them to say this for the screenshot I swear

[coral reef]

could you explain your model young man?

[subtle bluff]

Reason he's blocked me.

[strong cave]

just to save everyone's eyes

peace has been restored 🙏

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's only heroic he helped them on.

[coral reef]

nice outfit 🫡

[dreamy valve]

Its just simple- never die while still dominating

[strong cave]

Thanks, money got it for me 😂

oh 🤯 didnt know that exists

[coral reef]

yeah its an amazing addition to the game. A full build, exotic included. I've seen some now. Great for new players

[strong cave]

Not surprised it's a ninja bike build with probably the 2nd worst gear set in the game

[coral reef]

there are several, others are better

[coral reef]

so how does this work? i'm still genuinely curious

[magic pilot]

Ew it still has ravenous

[strong cave]

@magic pilot would you prefer my build or this? You have no choice but to pick between the two 😈

[coral reef]

he loves them both equally

[solar sable]

I'm just gonna steal this and waddle away

[strong cave]

it hits hard negl

ive got a clip of it in #ask-td2-community

[coral reef]

can you please @ me there so I can see it?

[strong cave]

go straight to #ask-td2-community and its the one I @'d doomz in

[coral reef]

got it! thanks. Poor Ravenous is so awkward to use

[strong cave]

It ain't the best but it ain't the worst

[dreamy valve]

It revolves around high sustain run and gun playstyle without a shield, both damage and survivability wise with key pieces being Ravenous, Memento, and PFE mods. With heroic retaliation being what it is, the build has a high affinity to retain long sustain throughout the entire run, and to prevent the player from ever dying, as we all know you get punished severely by dying since you lose alot of time on the clock doing so(Group play is different since you can't stop other people from dying). So to prevent that, you will have several layers of survivability including: Capped PFE%, 4% armor regen at max memento stacks, ~50% damage reduction from Defender drone, 6 tier Bulwark shield, and massive bonus armor stacking from both Ravenous and Memento during combat. In turn, you have the ability to tackle anything the mode throws at you, either solo or in a group(The build scales surprisingly well to 4 players), and you just brute force devour Kill Squads of any variation. With that being said, there are some who would question the weapon choice, as it is not commonly utilized by the player base with a certain touch of stigma to the weapon. I'd would say that Ravenous demands a certain playstyle from the player to fit how it works and to bring out its potential, as not everyone is keen on its shoulder to shoulder spams and unwieldy handling. Explaining how the weapon works and delving into its mechanics on a coded level is an entirely different topic on its own, which I will provide the reddit link to after this discussion.

Basically, the Ravenous' true source of damage mainly comes from its final detonation explosions, as it chews through armor plating like butter, so any chunga enemies you come across gets destroyed fast, doubly so with the global modifier's passive ability. Apart from that, it can deal with overhealed named enemies and elites all the same, while gaining infinite bonus armor stacks and a 1 second CC ability through its stagger ability after an explosion, that can interrupt just about anything the enemies might be in the middle of doing, which I think is a pretty huge deal. Memento further boosts bonus armor and weapon damage, as you are already operating at a close range during gunfights, so being completely surrounded by enemies is no big deal since this mode loves doing that to the player. Another slight bonus to the build is that you never really have to stop for ammo, as the build surprisingly conserves enough to complete the run without ever needing an ammo box refill, with how much ammo the game gives to rifles capacity wise, this would also shave off some more time spent killing and travelling to each cp. The Bulwark shield is mainly there for extra insurance for when you need to revive a player in a bad position, your armor breaks somehow and you need your armor regen to kick in, or when you go up against anything that is not an elite yellow enemy, as the build does have a survivability weakness against purple and reds if you do not have bonus armors active. I would say the purple and reds should be your first priority when engaging in fights, but thankfully, they are less common in Control points on heroic difficulty. The Kard pistol is perfectly serviceable in ridding of them as well, and also does a surprising amount of dps, you just need a twitchy trigger finger for it.

All in all, I have ran this build for the past week, and have not failed a single retaliation run since. The only way for me to fail the run is if Im in a group and other players keep dying, since everyone is so fixated on full red builds these days- this also included my clan members who were also pretty experienced with the game with all of them being SHD level 15K and higher. All 3 of them wiped during an IVY tunnel CP takeover, as they got flanked and surrounded by elites from both sides and since it was a tunnel, so there was not much place to take cover in, so the run ended there as they were pretty much death trapped. I also ran this build with them with 5 directives on the Foggy Bottom(I think) zone, and everything went smoothly once I got the initial ammo gain from a pistolero kill. I know some people will never accept this build as a legitimate way to play Division 2, but that's going to be their own problem, not mine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/ijzm52/the_real_secrets_of_the_ravenous/

[coral reef]

Let me go get some coffee, please don't remove this mods!

[urban latch]

Tldr: not well

[coral reef]

That was detailed. Question: how much damage are you averaging per Ravenous explosion?

[subtle bluff]

If only retaliation or heroic CP were hard it'd be semi impressive.

[dreamy valve]

I don't know the exact numbers, but it was enough to take down a regular elites with 1 or 2 fully primed explosions, depending on my current memento stacks and some explosion damage rng. You can basically kill a 4 player scaled named elite or a Kill Squad elite within about 2 Ravenous mags on average as a tank build.

[strong cave]

within 2 ravenous mags? bro thats such a waste of ammo

thats like 120 bullets 💀

[gentle lichen]

that wall of text
i'm afraid to open it on my phone

[strong cave]

@gentle lichen this is what the text is about

[gentle lichen]

dude it's 3 screenfuls and a half 😭 😭

[dreamy valve]

Yup within 2 at most since you are firing 2 bullets at once, but guess what, you still won't run out of ammo during the entire run

[strong cave]

Don't take this the wrong way but I highly doubt that 💀

Even if you all ran Gunner you'd be barely topped off

[gentle lichen]

i remember running that for master manager but with ad rush and intimidate + scorpio because i'm a single celled organism that doesn't like restarting

[strong cave]

Those ammo boxes may as well be a life support

[strong cave]

Scorpio 💯

[gentle lichen]

but retal? just put the dps in the bag bro

[strong cave]

I've adopted nearly 2 blue cores on Striker/Tipping with nimble holster. Playing cover to cover is super fun

[dreamy valve]

I thought so too, but I've been playing Retaliation with the build for the past week or so, and I never had to refill, you will have to take my word for it since I'm the only player who uses the build. I was using Survivalist spec on top of that

[strong cave]

Ain't no way 💀

[dreamy valve]

yuppers

[strong cave]

I'll take your word for it but like... Why 💀

[dreamy valve]

Cause im a trustworthy agent 👼

[gentle lichen]

average clear time?

[strong cave]

3 hours

[gentle lichen]

if it's above 7 mins ion want it 🗣️

[dreamy valve]

I'll time my next run when I have...time ahahaha

I'll use east mall

[coral reef]

I would love to see a clip, if possible of course

[dreamy valve]

This was when I tried the mode on the first day and first attempt with the build, not sure if the time was for the whole run or just for the last cp? But I had to back track from Sink hole cp all the way to metro ruins cp since I didn't know you couldn't fast travel to the safe house with the mode

[gentle lichen]

i was thinking clip time from starting retaliation to ending it

[dreamy valve]

yeah, i'll do that next

I don't need to convince or make anyone play builds that I make myself though. I just wanted to respond to what Kawaiizilla wanted to know, that's all.

[strong cave]

As long as a build works for what you intend it for, by all means

[urban latch]

For context, two mags of ravenous to kill a single elite is over 12 seconds...

[gentle lichen]

that's why the question is always "can it do lincoln memorial under 10 mins?"

[tardy falcon]

Damn

[dreamy valve]

I believe so since the heroic difficulty is lower there

Once I get max memento stacks, it feels alot better

[strong cave]

I could go get McDonald's happy meal and be back by then 💀

[gentle lichen]

i won't lie if i get bored from builds i just run the tank pistol and roll through stuff cause why not

[dreamy valve]

Its partly a netflix build yes

Ive done it recentrly grinding retaliation. watched Train to Busan

[hoary valve]

is there a build spamming oxidizer?

[cerulean smelt]

there used to be a way but they nerfed it so best you'll get is getting 7-maybe 9 shots these days

[red island]

u can die, it will tp u back to safe house, but it cost 1min on timer

[worn imp]

Is there a long ranged SMG build? lmao. like ranger on a UZI?

or a the MPX with perfect outsider?

[glad heart]

Named sig mpx "Safety Distance" has best smg range as far as I know. Don't recall the talent name though. Of course: Perfect Outsider... duh...

[dreamy valve]

hmm might be worth it on East Mall

[subtle bluff]

Slingshot iirc

[glad heart]

Slingshot has a 60-meter optimal range. However, that comes with a cost: The weapon suffers from high recoil, making it difficult to control and use effectively at longer distances, even within its optimal range. Weapon handling is needed (aka striker) to help with accuracy and stability.

[subtle bluff]

I mean that’s SMG for you…

[glad heart]

I just tested slingshot on heroic... bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz no... mag too small, hits ok, but elmo tears it up. haha.

[subtle bluff]

IMO it’s a dumb gun.

[glad heart]

I agree sir.

[dreamy valve]

hmm faster than I expected hahaha

[subtle bluff]

10 mins is really easy to do..

[dreamy valve]

Just did this as well, carrying another player. I timed it and it took about 8 minutes from start to end, so that ingame timer is off

[gentle lichen]

gotta set the bar low

[subtle bluff]

How long did Raucey take with only 2 HE gear?

[worn imp]

Does straight up LMG damage stat give as much damage on the end value aas Weapon Damage does?

[dreamy valve]

I could have gotten faster time with 1886 HH, but thats not where the value of the build is

[subtle bluff]

There the same basically one is for specific weapon of course.