td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

yet they're taking ages to kill a single elite enemy? foundry bulwark or some useless regen build

[graceful field]

With strikers in PVE I usually dont need to have alot of health or armor. Like doomz said, those guys usually take forever to kill an elite. I go for more deadly and more critical in pve. Now for pvp I couldn't tell you, apparently nothing i put together works in conflict lol

[grizzled garnet]

Ye im sure my laptop could run it on potato mode but the thing is installing

There are numerous ways.

Tank build with vanguard
Tank build with heartbreaker

List could prob go on but idk others :3

[graceful field]

Don't matter when you get 1 shot lol. Its crazy

Like this match I just.. did how can you have 8 figure damage but still be tanking 4 players?? How is that even possible 🤣 🤣 🤣

[grizzled garnet]

Eaglebearer maybe?

[graceful field]

Maybe didnt get a chance to pull his load out up bc i literally kept dying 🤣 .

[faint dagger]

can you roll crit chance and damage on fenris chest at all ?

[worn mango]

Yes, you can roll double crit on that. For a red chest it's also more than likely you'll roll reds than blue/yellow so you just have to keep farming to get one

[subtle bluff]

You shouldn't use Fenris chest Ceska is better.

[faint dagger]

you don't even know why i need a fenris

[subtle bluff]

For a build that uses AR that needs Crit in the end.

[worn mango]

While that's true, assault rifle damage has diminishing returns in the grand scheme compared to crit chance. And if you're specing into multiple Fenris to get reload speed and stability, you're losing out

[faint dagger]

i'm already cap crit

[worn mango]

Then I'd argue Grupo to be better but I also don't know what your build is

[onyx sage]

you have some crit chance somewhere that you can change to crit damage; in other words your crit isn't optimized yet. in 90% of crit builds ceska is the best choice

[onyx sage]

if this is a pvp build you want to throw away picaro, contractor and fox are already making you take some crit losses

[faint dagger]

what would you change it for

[onyx sage]

ceska

the gun has 15% chc, assuming watch has 10% and you also run 2 chc rolls on backpack and chest you're still only at 37% chc, taking ceska is the best value

[faint dagger]

watch does not

[onyx sage]

if you have to run chc on contractor or fox you're already losing out on chc, those should be on chd

you only run those if you actually overcap on crit, if you don't crit is always better

[onyx sage]

then all the reason to run ceska

[faint dagger]

so bin picaro for a ceska ? what about fox and contractor

[onyx sage]

i would keep those for now but if one of those has to go contractor goes out first for grupo

[faint dagger]

so ceska chest, and change glove for grupo

[onyx sage]

no you can keep fenris chest here, this is pvp so it's more worth it to run because you don't run as many red cores

also most people will assume you're asking for pve builds, where full red is almost always the choice and where fenris has worse value. if asking for pvp the advice will be different so include it as the keyword next time too.

or ask in #td2-pvp-discussions

[faint dagger]

gotcha

so glove are to change for a ceska one ?

[onyx sage]

i would change out picaro for ceska first

and see if you can hit 60% chc with it, if not swap out either contractor or fox (either is fine) for grupo too

[faint dagger]

did bin contractor for grupo which is way better as you said, i had some god roll in stash. Would you change fox also or keep it ?

[onyx sage]

i want to say keep fox cuz besides ceska and grupo there isn't really any other must-pick brands

plus the remaining crit you need will be covered by your watch eventually

[faint dagger]

i tohugh about ceska knee but im already at 59 with that so yeah i suppose fox better here

[onyx sage]

you have chc on contractor or fox 100%

[faint dagger]

Does walker knee would be more beneficial since it get me the second bonus of 5% armor dmg, or 8% to dmg oft is better ?

[onyx sage]

side with dttooc cuz you can always get more weapon damage via expertise, i'm also assuming this build is for dz btw, the answer changes for conflict

[faint dagger]

it is for dz yeah

[onyx sage]

yeah then dttooc 100%. also if you overcap crit again i'm sure you have chc somewhere that you don't need to

[faint dagger]

copy thanks

[pale crown]

what would be a good shd lvl to do legendary summit? i'm like shd 50 with a fairly good red build

[solar sable]

shd doesn't matter, game knowledge does, anytime you feel brave and strong enough to fight leggo enemies

[pale crown]

alright thanku

[hexed steppe]

20k

-# ill see myself out

[onyx sage]

damn i should stop soloing them until 20k

[stark flicker]

Is this build just not stupid enough to actually function? Skills are striker drone and bulwark shield running spark for solo play https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwJgtAnGAMbsAWGzape1AuBA2dwxFDgBmDZcNKzYPKPWIkqK816TMltn9mGrryHsa4bnwltMkmdOFTg0AkgRlgwAByEQBdVFATMAVjkz+Z1EA

[subtle bluff]

Refactor would do you better.

It would take your drone a long time to kill one elite as you have to deal with the rest of them.

[tired falcon]

has anyone tried refactor set with artificer hive and deflector shield?

[subtle bluff]

Deflector doesn't do skill dmg

That fixed awhile ago.

[tired crater]

do I still need hazpro 100% to prevent backfire bleed effect?

[subtle bluff]

What do mean still?
You don’t need any hazpro to deal with the bleed.

[tired crater]

my char walks very slow when bleeding and screen blink red 😄

[subtle bluff]

Keep shooting and killing. TBH it’s a slow gun and you could just use other SMG and kill even faster and clear the room faster.

[hexed steppe]

same convo, different channels

[tired crater]

yes, my eyes having hard time with other teams member special effects like pulse, etc

[subtle bluff]

Oh goodie…

[subtle bluff]

Why are you tracking your teammate just shoot and kill and things will be fine.

[tired crater]

well. i need someone near when I die 😄

[subtle bluff]

Are you trying to use in hero groups? Just having some hazpro the bleed will go away much faster.

[tired crater]

ah ok, so 50% reduce to half?

[urban latch]

haz pro doesnt reduce damage of status directly, it only reduces the amount of time the status will last

[tired crater]

yes, I just need the duration to be less . preferably 0

[subtle bluff]

I can’t spell this god damn word..

Discmenision return for Status Effect after 3 you gain a immunity to it for a lil

If you read the talent you only get bleeds for making stacks.

[tired crater]

noted

so I asked ChatGPT for it 😄

[urban latch]

dont let ai slop do your critical thinking for you, its trash

[tired crater]

ye, that's why I asked here

[urban latch]

depreciating?

[stark dawn]

Also I think with regard to that ChatGPT output, bleed does not have a 100% threshold (in-game only Pulse Resistance has).

[subtle bluff]

No.. If wasn’t in public I’d just text to speech 😐

[subtle bluff]

Diminishing returns. God I had to say that 3 times.

[solar sable]

ini the beninging (I'm just kidding)

[subtle bluff]

Can't do REEE reaction.

[hazy steeple]

@hushed gorge Image permissions in this channel are for builds, if you want to ask a question, feel free to post over in #ask-td2-community, however all official info is posted in the "announcements" channels, so if you don't see it there, we probably don't know yet.

[hushed gorge]

i see .okay

[shrewd burrow]

I got the Vile mask out of a box last night. Is there any fun Pestilence/Vile builds I can run?

[hazy steeple]

Pestilence is weapon damage, not status effects. Sorry.

Hits apply a debuff dealing 100% weapon damage over 10s. This stacks up to 50 times.
Whenever an enemy dies with this debuff, the stacks are transferred to a nearby enemy within 25m.```

Vile is very good though, just for status specific setups.

[shrewd burrow]

@hazy steeple ah dang, thanks for clarifying 🤙

[kindred mango]

There is a “triple tick” build you could try. Vile, GC chest, 4x OD

[urban latch]

thats not a good build...

[kindred mango]

Didn’t say it was tbf but if that’s the qualifier I’ve been Pestilence with Strikers/PGC and Vigi lately. Very fun

[wicked igloo]

Is therr any way to find or farm crit chance mods? I cant find any anywhere

[glad heart]

Targeted loot; Gear System Mods in Summit or Countdown. Just be aware that good crit mods are few and far between... good being 6% Crit Chance and 12% Crit Damage. Also, you will get every type of mod... not just crit mods.

But there is no way to target strictly Crit Chance Mods. The devs would say: "That would break the game," In other words give a bit more advantage to the player. Or another way to put it: reduce the amount of grinding.

[wicked igloo]

Thanks! Ive been trying to get my crit to 60% but i couldnt find any mods, except 4% one which is bad

Is this a good chest? Or can i find better

[glad heart]

You can find better: A Ceska w/obliterate w/crit chance and crit damage, will bring up your crit chance

Again, however, that is a rather rare piece to find. Took a while for 2 of them to drop for me, and had to recal both of them

Got them in the Summit on Heroic

[grizzled garnet]

For?

[violet shadow]

Did this with an all blue build I still got railed from behind at one point when I tried it on Heroic with those 4 Detectives

[subtle bluff]

Without cheesing that's one of way of doing PFE blue ish.

The red way

[violet shadow]

... Wasn't blue ish I had no red circles 😭 and they still railed me so hard it was brutal

[pliant pelican]

how would this look like.

• before Heart mask. & momento backpack.

• if anyone got any tips otherwise for a fun solo build to farm hc.

[small igloo]

Lately I’ve been running OD, those hollow points and sadist decimate enemies.

[pliant pelican]

i just oofed up. i started like 5 convoys at once. + a control point

[small igloo]

XP time $$$$$

[pliant pelican]

so how would you make this build stronger? any fancy tips / other guns?

[subtle bluff]

So the issues with this build is building stacks reliably.

[subtle bluff]

builds are only 1/2 the game

You have too much blue you won't be able to do much dmg without having stacks

[pliant pelican]

i do have this? called Chill out mask

bc i could go for ninja bike bag, and use the 1p / 3p combo.

if this is any good?

[subtle bluff]

No

Both makes it worse.

[pliant pelican]

so just go the first setup? momento

[subtle bluff]

Again you need to build HB stacks

Elmo isn't good at that unless you're very good at hitting the head often

[pliant pelican]

i am somewhat good at it?

[subtle bluff]

You getting up to past 50 stacks?

[pliant pelican]

well then.

[subtle bluff]

You need to build it up faster and reliably like I said or it's not worth.

[pliant pelican]

uh i beliv so most are headshots. other than that idk tbh.

[subtle bluff]

I'm just gonna point you into the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub.

[pliant pelican]

damn, i followed roguegold fully blue - red and camelon / elmo

[subtle bluff]

dunno what that is..

[pliant pelican]

the build i showed you :p it's a div 2 content creator lad.

[subtle bluff]

not worried about it

IMO this is what everyone should build and have in there loadout.

[pliant pelican]

i tihkn i have that

system Corruption is pvp based right?

[meager fog]

I would honestly ignore 90% of you tubers....they either show you copy and paste builds or things they've made up that are just bad.

Listen to @subtle bluff ...he's extremely knowledgeable

[hearty owl]

system corruption goes hard in pve 😎

[pliant pelican]

i guess only good thing is the health on kill?

[echo apex]

Protection from Elites build or IH Tank build which should i go for tank Charakter?

[hoary sage]

Almost every build lead to full red striker/Obi

[echo apex]

So the protection build i should go for tank?

[solar sable]

????? He's asking for a tank role in raids.

[solar sable]

Raid Tank builds

[solar sable]

that should be your guide ^

[wicked igloo]

@grizzled garnet so this is better than st elmo with GR9 and memento,?

[echo apex]

How do i get blue i only get the green one?

[meager fog]

Colourblind options

[shrewd burrow]

This is my current build, I keep hearing that countdown is the best place to farm. Is this good enough to que for challenging/heroic groups? I play base game challenging fine currently.

[patent fossil]

It's ok for challenging countdown as others will carry you, there's a lot of room for improvement though - check the hunters fury guide in the pinned spreadsheet.

[shrewd burrow]

@patent fossil will do, thanks

[dusk dust]

What can you give me for max dps marksman and assault rifle@subtle bluff critz and headshot

[subtle bluff]

MMR isn’t a DPS build it’s HSD only build. If you go to Pinned Messages > GDoc > Buidl Hub you will find something there for it.

[meager fog]

You can't have both Crit and HSD one has to give way to the other

[grizzled garnet]

Imo drop lefty for an acs 12 with brazen

[onyx sage]

it's mentioned in the guide yes

[grizzled garnet]

It will depend on your content. Use memento 4 pc striker 1 pc ceska (chest with obliterate) for solo play. Coyotes, 4 pc striker 1 pc ceska (chest with obliterate) for group low difficulty play. Coyotes, 4 pc striker (pack and chest) 1 pc ceska for group high difficulty play

[modern night]

I have switched to nimble holster but I’m hitting for 1.1 mill per crit with ksg 1 tap reds and two tap purples in legendary and Les then a mag for a gold

[modern night]

Don’t use ar’s with pfe use shotguns bro trust they hit harder

[hearty owl]

gulp

[grizzled garnet]

Only non shotgun id recommend for tanks is ravenous but thats going all in on the tanking

[hearty owl]

The veteran rusher about to solo you entire group while you dump a 70 rpm shotgun into an elite 😀

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what?

Raid specific builds/strats aren't the same in normal Pve.

[grizzled garnet]

I guess i should stick to playing instead of buildcrafting 🥲

[onyx sage]

what if you could do both?

i wish i could, the average player only knows how to play the game

[hoary valve]

four things for the eagle bearer what are the best rolls and the best build for raids and pve open world and conflict

[vestal ibex]

Hey man shotguns are great if you hit every pellet no matter the range or aim...

[patent fossil]

Rolls: always damage to targets out of cover
Pve: works well with striker, hunters fury. Add memento for extra toughness if you like. Better used solo than in groups.
It's not a good choice in raids, and I'm not knowledgeable about pvp builds

[hoary valve]

for the mods will be cric hit chnace and damage?

[scenic briar]

unless otherwise noted, assume every red build is stacking CHC and CHD wherever possible

[wicked igloo]

Ive put all CHC everywhere to reach cap of 60% m, but my CHD is just 72% now, and i cant put any mods anywhere

Could it be because of my SDH level? Its just level 86

[onyx sage]

yeah, you're missing 10% chc and 20% chd from the watch, along with the mods, but to start with that's okay

[wicked igloo]

Oh that makes sense, ill have to farm CP then to level up fast

[modern night]

Elites die in 4 shots

I’m not saying pfe builds are the optimal way to play but for less experienced players in legendary it’s very casual care free way to play the game 4 people with pfe can do any legendary in under 30 minutes easy

[subtle bluff]

I never suggest full PFE at first because the playstyle yes it's carefree in sense but you have to know what you're doing.

[tropic solar]

so the build guide for a 4p refactor setup suggests using 2p hana, including a bag w/ tech support. why not just run the named hana bag with perfect combined arms? guide doesnt even mention it as an alternative

[worn imp]

Anyone got any super fun skill builds besides mortar stuff? ive burned out on playing arty turret since its 110% been my jam as of late xD
not interested in things that overly play themselves like popping a drone. i wanna put some thought into my skill usage!

[hearty owl]

guess that leaves status effect builds

try eclipse protocol

[subtle bluff]

@tropic solar even that refactor is just one of many ways to do it.

[grand condor]

Found the new nimble holster! Any ideas for a build? Feels like it should be some kind of "flanker" build.

[subtle bluff]

It’s in the Pinned Messages

[onyx sage]

it's just utility, you take damage, you use it to heal. it's not something you build around

[worn imp]

what is?

[subtle bluff]

Yellow EP

Look around there all there.

[worn imp]

ahhhh

thanks didnt realize u were also in the other server so didnt see ur name until i looked a second time xD

[subtle bluff]

…..

[worn imp]

hey it happens lol

[wet plaza]

Is the true patriot build good with lmg’s

?

[subtle bluff]

True Patriot in general is bad. There are much better choices out there.

[wet plaza]

What is the best build with lmg’s

[solar sable]

HE, OD, Strikers, Nego... I'm pretty sure almost any dps build will fit

[subtle bluff]

In what way...

[tawdry iron]

what is this logic 💔

[wicked igloo]

Finally got my coyote mask, i also got memento and st elmo, should i now just grind mods?

[subtle bluff]

No best way it depends on your RNG. I mainly did floor 90 leggo.

But I’ve gotten a few about of them out of incursion

[young flax]

Just getting back into division 2 wondering if there a is a decent build for heroic since I honestly either die to fast or take too long

[hexed steppe]

striker, ez

ceska oblit chest, coyote mask, 4pc striker. all crit. weapons will rely on preference, but high rpm better

survivability through superior firepower

dead npcs dont shoot back

[young flax]

Running sniper and pestilence atm was trying to defeat the recruiter in time on hard but for some reason I couldn't get pass that misson

[subtle bluff]

No no. It’s, things that are unalive can’t shoot back.

[young flax]

So if I cant do that I have no hope playing on heroic

[subtle bluff]

That mix of build is confusing tbh.

Yea you need to know what to do take cover and when to do DPS.

[young flax]

I use a sniper for long distance

[hexed steppe]

it divides up your build

[young flax]

I was timer run out

[young flax]

So i should focus on one type of range?

[onyx sage]

you just need enough damage for that fight to kill the weakpoints and then deal damage to the hunter

[hexed steppe]

pretty much. snipers are more headshot based, and ar/lmg are more crit based

[glad heart]

In the last area, leave 1 ad alive..... that is important. with 1 ad alive, no more ads... easier to complete the mission

[subtle bluff]

It’s more… MMR’s are focus on HSD. Everything else is DPS that CHC/CHD. You don’t mix them.

[young flax]

Ah got ya

[onyx sage]

just use crit builds for that fight that use ar/lmg like said above

[young flax]

Yea learn that the hard way

[subtle bluff]

I just killed everything then waited and DPS his ass then he did his thing.

[glad heart]

And like they are saying: strictly DPS... no mmr or trying for headshots

[young flax]

Gave up after the 8th try cause the sniper basically one taps me leaving me with 1% of health

[onyx sage]

that's a game mechanic, you have a health gate every 30 seconds that gives you a second chance

[hexed steppe]

honestly, i think something like negotiators is what youre looking for. its crit based, yes but does well with ar/rifle combos and really strong. suggest elmo and m1a cqb for it, 4pc nego with bag, coyote mask and ceska/grupo oblit chest (brand depends on your crit chance nededs)

[onyx sage]

technically he's already killed you but you were saved by health gate

[hexed steppe]

rifle and not mmr i mean

[onyx sage]

so... try not to get hit

[young flax]

Hard not to get hit when running cover to cover sometimes

[onyx sage]

use the actual cover to cover mechanic, don't just run

[young flax]

Ah so I need to rebuild everything

[young flax]

I do he still hits me at times

[onyx sage]

cover to cover as a core mechanic basically makes him miss his shot every time

[hexed steppe]

maybe, post a screenshot of your current

[young flax]

<-< I have terrible luck used cover to a tree and got hit

[onyx sage]

you mean going into cover and looking at another piece of cover and holding the cover button right?

[glad heart]

I ran that with striker/ceska oblit/memento....

[young flax]

Ah might of let go then when hitting to cover

[young flax]

Where can I send that

[onyx sage]

here

[hexed steppe]

image perm here

[onyx sage]

full red builds mostly survive content like this just due to the magic of cover to cover, don't underestimate it

[young flax]

I have no points in skill atm

[hexed steppe]

how my nego looks.

[young flax]

Blue?

[glad heart]

Glass canon boom dead

[hexed steppe]

colorblind mode

[young flax]

Ah

[onyx sage]

gear set pieces, by default they're green but blue here due to color blind mode on

[hexed steppe]

no boom, npc "unalive"

[onyx sage]

i just soloed zoo legendary with perfect glass cannon too, no deaths hehe

[young flax]

God the discord camera terrible

[glad heart]

ummm was saying player "unalive" with glass cannon... I won't run it ... haha

[hexed steppe]

grandson gonna have to carry me sometime soon

[onyx sage]

now?

[shy willow]

A lot to unpack there😭

[hexed steppe]

no i got kids everywhere atm. no peace

in a bit maybe if up

[onyx sage]

ping me whenever

[young flax]

I never used a build in this game <-< just kinda stuck with what work usually i got through everything on hard with ease just this mission wont let me

[hexed steppe]

yes its definitely rebuild time

[young flax]

._. Welp

[onyx sage]

recruiter and some others are the kind of content where people will actually struggle with as newcomers, even on normal difficulty

[hexed steppe]

its better this way, you know what soso feels like, so when you get onto something effective youll be in awe

[young flax]

Noted even the hunter gave me trouble

[onyx sage]

builds matter a lot in this game, the right builds trivialize encounters

[hexed steppe]

check the pinned sheet, there are a ton of build guides that break down the details of what you need

[young flax]

True tried doing a heroic control points with true sons yea that went terrible died multiple times before actually taking it and had to re defeat the enemies since I had to respawn

So many waves i had to re do cause of my death and it was usually a named boss coming out of no where and yellow bar getting a lucky shot

[hexed steppe]

its because there was no real synergy with what youre using

high end chest talent would make a huge difference, same with bag talents in the right builds

green sets are 99% of the time 4 green or no green

never 6 green , especially if its split between sets

and nobody better pipe up with some ninja pvp recipe

[young flax]

Oh so I should do only one set then then have yellow for the other spots?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

get rid of the tip of the spear pieces, add 1 striker knee or mask, and fill other spots with ceska and grupo or coyote

[young flax]

So full striker? Then find gear that mends well with lmg and ar?

[young flax]

Got it

[hexed steppe]

[hexed steppe]

you focus crit chance and crit damage on your highend pieces. its worth more than the weapon damage breands because youll be running all/mostly red cores anyways

[young flax]

Imma have to go farm

[glad heart]

what I ran recruiter (and darn near everything else with)

[hexed steppe]

match that chest 👆

[young flax]

Dont have that ar exotic or bag

[glad heart]

Police M4 works well too

[hexed steppe]

youll find as you get farming some of this stuff that a few of the pieces will fit a lot of different builds

[glad heart]

or Lexington if you got it

[hexed steppe]

is lex back out now?

[young flax]

When we get a mini gun
I was using pestilence since the damage it does to those around the person I killed was good helping me kill of groups faster

[hexed steppe]

i though i saw someone talking about it

[glad heart]

the rumor is it will be soon

[hexed steppe]

oh nice

[shy willow]

Confirmed in stretch goals

Just about everything is in the pool for them this time round

[hexed steppe]

thats really good, bout time fr

[glad heart]

Yeah, but will it drop god rolled with DTTOOC? I bet not

[shy willow]

I wonder if turmoil will still drop locked to crit

[hexed steppe]

hard to tell

it survives the bug that makes inventory disappear so i have a feeling it might still not act normal

handbasket stays in inventory also

kinda glad its just been visual bugs lately.. remember when all the talents shifted and all were ticked off because their* expertise 25 mmr's didnt have determined anymore

[young flax]

Only ar exotic i have is chameleon thing dropped 50 times ._. Why is there do many of it

[hexed steppe]

must be doing a lot of bounties

farming countdown is the best way to farm for loot

[young flax]

Ah that aint gonna happen atm

[hexed steppe]

no public play atm ig

[subtle bluff]

Why not?

Oh right PnS

[hexed steppe]

summit you can select target loot and it can be solo

[subtle bluff]

Also to note,
Exotic/Named Weapons/Gear aren’t always the best nor is needed in every build.

[young flax]

Ah

[glad heart]

I used that build to run Recruiter recently... it is not exactly what I used the first time. (should be obvious, but maybe not)

[young flax]

Where do i get the armor with the hammer symbol

[glad heart]

Farm Ceska

A Ceska chest with crit chance and crit damage as well as Obliterate talent, is a extremely difficult piece to farm. Took a while, but I finally got two of them, but had to recal botyh

[young flax]

Where do i farm ceska?

[glad heart]

Summit or Countdown, or open world where ceska is the targeted loot

[subtle bluff]

Here's a guide.

[young flax]

That explains why I couldnt do that legacy manhunt never did countdown

[onyx sage]

fire eclipse

[wispy hollow]

Or Pesti triple tic

[hazy steeple]

@wispy hollow Pesti is weapon damage, not status.

Whenever an enemy dies with this debuff, the stacks are transferred to a nearby enemy within 25m.```

[subtle bluff]

He's talking about a very specific build and without giving context is pretty confusing.

And shouldn't really be mention till they've grinded a few builds beforehand.

[shy willow]

^ there's no direct synergy but it is a setup

I use it a lot on my second character

[wispy hollow]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1DI56J18cKz6jL8BuSJxAF2QIcGJUSxLf-19ZZIheBkU/edit

I use this a lot, especially effective in group and Countdown

[echo quiver]

Hello. So I’m not quite new to the game but still learning and catching up. Level 40. Working on farming gear for 1st build. Was interested in a striker build for soloing. Library is pretty maxed. Working on expertise (still a little confused)

[grizzled garnet]

For lexington what rolls should i grind for during stretch goals?

[grizzled garnet]

Whats the q?

If youre asking about a striker build run 4 pc striker (with backpack) coyotes mask and a ceska chest with obliterate.
If solo you can swap the coyotes mask for a strikers mask and the strikers backpack for memento

[subtle bluff]

Sorry uh?

[grizzled garnet]

Huh?

[hazy steeple]

Assuming it just doesn't drop with maxed out dtooc: dtooc.

[echo quiver]

Appreciate the response. Was just looking for a little more detail. For example, one person said look for certain striker pieces with Hazard Protection and Weapon Damage etc

[hazy steeple]

It's a gun in div2, you're going to use dtooc on it, 9/10's of the time.
the other 1/10 is if you want an LMG.

[grizzled garnet]

NOOO. full red core. Full crit hit damage

[subtle bluff]

If you go to the Pinned Message > GDoc > Build Hub you'll find a lot there.

[grizzled garnet]

No i mean talents. I wanna know how many to grind

[hazy steeple]

dtooc is the only attribute you need, so you can change out the talent as much as you want.

[echo quiver]

Oh cool. Appreciate the info

[grizzled garnet]

Im thinking of getting 2 or 3

1 for strikers, 1 for heartbreaker and 1 spare

[hazy steeple]

I'm not super comfortable with referring to something as a "triple dip", if it's not triple dipping, tbh.

[subtle bluff]

tick... 😐

[hazy steeple]

tock.

@grizzled garnet Same answer: dtooc. It really is the only attribute worth it.
There's certain niche builds you can use around the place, but for those first 2 builds: dtooc still.

The devs are aware of how boring that is, and are working on changing it, so this answer might change in the future.

[subtle bluff]

You're over thinking it. You're grinding for DTTooC, w/e else if you use it'll have to have reroll it to DTTooC anyways.

[echo quiver]

Can you roll a Core Att and a normal Att or just 1?

I assume 1

[scenic briar]

only one slot can be recalibrated on an item, but then you can keep redoing that slot

that's why it's nice to have a gun that comes with DTTOOC, so you can freely experiment with different talents

[echo quiver]

appreciate it

[grand condor]

If something recovers armor, does it also recover shield HP or that does count as something different?

[patent fossil]

No, that's a separate thing in most cases, although I believe the chem launcher burst heal effect might be an exception

Artificer hive heals the shield (you don't even have to drop it), as does the talents on oxpecker and foundry bulwark

[grizzled garnet]

Would you ever wanna run turnoil on a determined build? I always thought it as a striker build item but got a frend saying run it for determined

[patent fossil]

They might have patched it, but previously headhunter bonus damage applied AFTER the 50% damage debuff, effectively applying full damage to both targets and therefore allowing you to one shot two targets at a time. The only downside is making it harder to stack HH in the first place since base damage is still cut in half.

[wicked igloo]

Quick question, is the st elmo red crit gear with coyote mask build good for tidal basin legendary? Or is there more optimal builds. Im pulling pretty good dmg, but i feel like i should put in more armour

[hexed steppe]

I would all red. If its striker you may want to use the chest since leg npcs are tanky.
Armor cores will just take away from your damage creating longer ttk, potentially contributing to you taking even more damage.

Skills like decoy and emp sticky can buy you a little time when being focused

[fervent patio]

Sorry to butt in, but can this be applied to almost every build? Or only really for striker?

[hexed steppe]

I only mentioned striker to suggest using striker chest. OP didnt mention build past elmo crit coyote.
But yeah, I would use all red cores on any dps or headhunters in legs.

[fervent patio]

Okay. One more thing.

If I wanted to make a survivability build with some DPS (Enough dps to at least get through hard or challenging) would I need to use gears sets and exotics?

And if so what would be the best to use? (You don't have to go in great detail but just point in the rough direction) I had a player in game tell me True Patriot is the way to go for DPS and HP/Armor. But it seems like True Patriot is more for DPS. (Coming back to the game I got overwhelmed on how much new stuff got added and don't know where to even start.) ((I had to start over by the way. So my SHD is only 115.))

Sorry for the question, I know it may seem dumb. I'm just kinda lost on how to go about the game. I really want to get good at the game so I can one day help other players out.

[hexed steppe]

Look into heartbreaker, hunters fury, and umbra
All are dps with survivability

[bright raptor]

True Patriot is for nothing, follow the above post

[hexed steppe]

Also look into memento, exotic bag with a lot of benefits

[fervent patio]

Okay, can I ping this so I can come back to this?

[bright raptor]

the long version of what we would tell you is already in The Spreadsheet 2 in this channel's pinned posts

[fervent patio]

Or is there a way to back to this conversation later down the road?

[fervent patio]

Oh, okay.

Thank you for telling me this!

[bright raptor]

Hub tab of the spreadsheet, accept no substitutes

[urban latch]

Step one of adding surviability to any dps build is to make sure your using a crusader shield, even at T0. If you want more (and depending on the content your doing) memento backpack is the next easiest way to add survivability without sacrificing much damage. From there if you want more you can continue to switch red cores to blue as you feel needed. Its ultimately preference, but most experienced players just get used to running all red and understanding how to play with that and take advantage of killing things quickly to just reduce the amount of damage you take in the first place

and true patriot is in the running for worst gearset in the game currently

[fervent patio]

Okay, Noted. is Memento Backpack a Raid exclusive equipment?

Like Bighorn?

[fervent patio]

Oh, I did not know that?! Dang, I farmed F10 Summit for no reason then. Dang, I feel stupid.

[urban latch]

memento is a standard exotic, you can get it anywhere. Probably best bet is challenging countdown with backpacks targeted loot. Bighorn is technically a legendary exclusive, not raid, but theres also a very small chance you can get it from the DZ

F10 is a terrible way to farm gear.....

[fervent patio]

Also didn't know that.

[fervent patio]

I know, I came back to the game three or two days ago. And when I logged in I was in the summit. So I was just going to go back to farming but my Floor was on 91 and not 90 like how I left it.

So I've been looking for a player with F90 since my return.

[patent fossil]

Countdown is best for most gear, just matchmake on challenging

[grizzled garnet]

If i was to use tinkerers on a heartbreaker build what secondary talent would i want? Streamline?

[fervent patio]

I was told this a few times by players in game. The only issue is I can't pull my on weight, and I rather not be a burden to the players that can so I try to do what I can solo.

[grizzled garnet]

Run challenging and just get a slap dash strikers build together

[fervent patio]

I also, don't want to be called a dirty hard-R again because I keep dying.

[patent fossil]

If you're not using your skills, yeah. Otherwise might as well use any good dps talent - strained, measured, optimist, fast hands etc

[grizzled garnet]

[grizzled garnet]

Yeah thats not very common. Usually people dont talk

[patent fossil]

I was pondering whether overflowing might make a good match with sadist for an OD build - bigger mag size is helpful for when you run into extra tough enemies

Hard to turn down pressure point 15% amp though

[fervent patio]

I know. But for some reason being called that ruined my mood a bit. Been going through a hard time in my life. That is all, I'm just being soft honestly.

[patent fossil]

Challenging countdown is generally fine, only takes a few strong players to carry the whole group

[grizzled garnet]

Yeah i know the feeling. One bad apple can ruin the bunch. Just take some time for yourself. If you wanna prepare you can run summit for a bit until you get 4 pieces strikers

[fervent patio]

Oh, I thought it was kind like a raid where, everyone needs to have a good build to get through it.

[grizzled garnet]

No. Its more like a mission with more people

[fervent patio]

Okay, I'll try getting striker and do Countdown to farm the stuff I need for a build.

Thank you for the kind words and information.

And thank you to everyone else for helping me out even though I'm a bit slow.

I truly do really appreciate It!

[grizzled garnet]

Keep in mind people generally run challenging or heroic. Also another thing to keep in mind is dont use skill builds.

[fervent patio]

Okay! I never really understood skill builds anyways. I'll leave that to the wizards of the game.

I seen one years ago, and I was just left in wow. It looked really cool and was honestly amazing when I was freshly new to the game but, like I said I never understood how to do it.

[grizzled garnet]

Thats not to say skill builds are bad BUT in countdown they arent generally advised

[fervent patio]

Okay!

One more question.
(Sorry, everyone.)

Is there any real reason/benefit to joining a clan/guild? Besides, players to play with and learn a few things?

I never understood the point in clans in this game.

[grizzled garnet]

Overall the builds youll see are

Coyotes mask, 4 piece strikers (with backpack) and ceska chest with obliterate. All in on chc chd

Coyotes mask, 4 piece strikers (with backpack and chest) and ceska holster, gloves or knees. All in on chc chd.

Coyotes mask, 4 piece ongoing directive (with chest) and ceska backpack with wicked. All in on chc chd.

I like running ongoing directive because it helps everyone

[grizzled garnet]

Weekly caches and another vendor

[fervent patio]

Ohhhh, I didn't know that. Even when I played when the game dropped, I thought it was so friends, and group of people can just be united under one name, for stuff like, "world First Runs" and Leaderboards.

That's good to know, I think I'll try joining a clan then, I just don't want to slow anyone down.

I was originally in a clan, but before I stopped playing me and my Uncle was kicked.
We we're never told why neither. We played everyday too.

[grizzled garnet]

Inactivity after you stopped playing likely. Anyway i think its best to let this chat get back to builds

[fervent patio]

But we we're both still active? The longest break before me and my Uncle stopped playing all together was only a day or two.

Is that bad when your in a clan?

[hazy steeple]

Back to the builds now, folks.

[fervent patio]

Okay, sorry.

[hexed steppe]

Right click > message link > paste that into a message to yourself

[fervent patio]

Okay, thank you Mate!
I appreciate it.

[coral reef]

nu-uh, the build that is in vogue right now is: blue/red cores striker + memento + backfire. I see everyone with it, getting massive bonus armor after a kill

I think that's the meta right now. I'm too busy leveling up everything for expertise so I havent tried it yet

[terse igloo]

What is the best build that people that have been using for the Striker Backfire build?

[subtle bluff]

There isn't a best build.

[subtle bluff]

Killer is 2nd best in numbers. That's gonna be the thing.

[patent fossil]

Uptime though

[subtle bluff]

You have a sadist still! Killers burst is too good if you're shooting enough.

60 CHD is really hard to say pass up imo.

Killers uptime isn't hard to do. In group leggo ya it's hard but we would be running this build in there.

[urban latch]

just a regular striker build while using the backfire

[terse igloo]

What chest piece should I use?

[grizzled garnet]

well in my experience thats what i see

[fervent patio]

Sorry to butt in, again. But is anyone available for a vc so I can show my build?

I'm just returning and would like a little guidance on how I should go about what I have at the moment into I can get better gear.

(I would be streaming my screen of course. Also you can stay muted oby if you don't feel comfortable talking.)

[urban latch]

depends on what your doing. In most cases the striker chest won't be able to build up/maintain enough stacks to make the striker chest worth it, so run obliterate. But generally you'll want to be running the backfire in instances where you'll have long fights where your able to build up stacks, so places like the incursion, and thats where the backfire/striker chest combo really shine

[shy willow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Builds in there, farm everything in countdown

[urban latch]

dont worry about asking lots of questions lol, thats what this place is for. Its probably easier to just post a screenshot in this channel of your build

[fervent patio]

I am aware of the spreadsheet thanks to one of the mods. But I need a decent build to even farm in Countdown.

And as for screenshoting everything, I'm just being lazy, lol.

[urban latch]

windows + shift + S

[fervent patio]

I looked and the spreadsheet, and found a few things I definitely want to try.

[shy willow]

After your first one you'll have enough to get something workable at least and it's on the up from there

[fervent patio]

And I know; like I said I'm just being lazy, lol.

Sorry if that came off as rude, I don't mean too.

[urban latch]

youd just be surprised how many people dont know it and end up taking a potato quality phone pic while on PC

[vestal ibex]

It's a single one of the overview tho.

You don't need anymore than that tbh

[fervent patio]

Haha, I used to be like that, or would screenshot both my screens.

Overview? Like the stats tab?

[hazy steeple]

"snipping tool" is also still built into windows, does the same thing but I like the retro feel of it.

[vestal ibex]

Not mine but I scrolled up, this is all you need.

[fervent patio]

Oh, damn. I'm slow right now.

[patent fossil]

Haven't run the numbers (or tested anything in game) but I'm still dubious:
You're likely to already have >100% chd, so that reduces killers effective bonus to 30% at best, then that's only applied on max 60% of shots (ignoring current season buffs), that leaves average amp of 18%, meaning it'd need an uptime of about 80% or more to match pressure point. It'll time out between fights, or if you don't get the kills, and without it you've got a lower chance of proccing it (I guess still about 75-80% at 60/100).

[fervent patio]

Sorry, for the dull ss. It's a bug I've been having since I came back.

[vestal ibex]

That's just HDR being on.

[fervent patio]

My laptop in game doesn't support it. But on my laptop settings it dose. But I'll try turning it off.

[urban latch]

you want it off

[fervent patio]

Okay, noted.

[urban latch]

I have the same issue. I normally play plugged into a monitor and if I ever play just on my laptop screen it changes the settings and turn HDR on and makes everything dull

[fervent patio]

It still dose it when I try to ss.

[fervent patio]

But yeah, that's my current build.

[vestal ibex]

I'm hoping Raucey is gonna give advice cause I'm lazy lol

[fervent patio]

I just did a few minutes ago. I still get the issue when I screenshot. But not when I tab out the game anymore. So it only fix slightly.

[urban latch]

ninjabike is a big trap. Striker backpack is much better. obviously you'll want to upgrade that purple, but ideally get a ceska piece. And then it'll be harder to hunt for, but a ceska chest with obliterate and crit stats is what your looking for long term

[fervent patio]

Okay, just one question. What is ceska?

Sorry.

[glad heart]

Thank you... haha

[urban latch]

You'll also want an acs12 instead of that six12. the acs is there specifically for building striker stacks quickly since each pellet counts as a stack, and the high fire rate of the ACS means it builds quicker than anything else in the game

Ceska is the brandset that gives +8% crit chance and has the hammer symbol

[fervent patio]

And if you don't me asking, why is NinjaBike a big trap?

[fervent patio]

Oh, okay. Thank you! I didn't know every pellet gives stack.

[fervent patio]

And, the mop isn't good?

[coral reef]

brother please turn HDR off i'm going crazy here

[fervent patio]

I did.

[urban latch]

Compare what your getting vs what your giving up. It can seem at first like you get a lot out of it, when when you dive into it you'll find that the tradeoff is almost never worth it. But its a common suggestion on trash clickbait builds because it seemingly creates a ton of build variations (that arent worth the trade off) for clickbait YTers trying to constantly turn out "new/different" build slop

[urban latch]

mop is an ok gun on its own, but not really what you want on this build. Its actually good on some skill builds where your weapon doesnt really matter much but you can still get the armor on kill when your skills kill things

[vestal ibex]

Brandsets are typically a small portion of your damage where ninja bike backpack requires you to give up backpack talents which are much stronger than 1-2 brandset unlocks.

[fervent patio]

Ohhh, okay! I'ma write that down.

[glad heart]

Before the nerf, I ran the MOP on a hunter's fury build

[fervent patio]

I guess I can have HDR, didn't know.

The game turned it to Auto.

[urban latch]

there you go lol

[fervent patio]

Sorry about that.

[vestal ibex]

HDR messes with screenshots because there are extra bits to the colors on screen which 99% of screenshot tools have no idea what are or how to process them so they look washed out.

[fervent patio]

Ohhh, I did not know that. Thank you.

So should I get Ceska for my mask and gloves?

Or do I only need one? Then an exotic?

[onyx sage]

you only need 1 ceska yes, and coyote's mask for exotic

[fervent patio]

Okay, Thank you! I'll start farming for it now!

[vestal ibex]

If struggling to get a coyotes mask just go for a grupo brand there for the time being.

[spice kindle]

Tips for my build?

[onyx sage]

what are you trying to do?

[urban latch]

you'll want 1p on a single build, but just as a general note, what gearpiece that is might change depending on the build. So as your farming gear just keep in mind that while you'll only use one at a time its a good idea to keep 1 of all 6 ceska gearpieces

[onyx sage]

assuming dps, you probably just want to go with striker for the time being

[fervent patio]

Grupo brand? Is that another named eq? Or a actual brand.

Sorry if that's a dumb question.

[onyx sage]

Grupo Sombra, a brand yes

[spice kindle]

Damage and armor maximized

[fervent patio]

Oh, okay thank you.

And thank you everyone, you are all really nice and extremely helpful!

I've learned so much more in the last few hours. Compared to when I first started playing and played for years on and off.

[onyx sage]

you can't really have both if you want to be effective. surviving is more about using cover correctly and positioning in general.

i would farm up a striker build like has been advised here before looking to make further builds, just so you have something to fall back on

[spice kindle]

Alright thank you

[onyx sage]

save this for now

[mint robin]

im just 30 and i play solo mostly / i want to farm countdown further. which specilize help me play game easy ?. i like fast pace playstyle hit and run

[fervent patio]

I'm back already, sorry.

I changed my gear around like you guys said. But now I'm having a hard time surviving. I'm doing WAY more damage. Which is what I wanted. But I'm having quite a hard time now. (For more context, I'm in Summit, F90 - Hard diff.)

It also doesn't help that I'm lagging for some reason. But that's a me problem, lol.

[urban latch]

easiest way to get survivability is to run a crusader shield and get used to how to run that effectively. Your not suddenly a tank, but use tall cover to block line of sight of most ads and use the shield to protect vs the ad your engaging in. aka using cover without the actual cover system

if you have/farm a memento, thats basically like ninja (with the cores you get to boost the shield) except actually good

[fervent patio]

Noted. But I am using the Crusader shield and it breaks so fast. It feels like when I use it, it just gives the enemy a free b.

I even have shield health mods on it.

[hexed steppe]

using tech class would give crusader a free skilltier once the spec is levelled

[glad heart]

You are too high in the summit to be running a new build. Reset the checkpoint to floor 1

[urban latch]

you dont need to do that

[hexed steppe]

summit > hard

[urban latch]

90 is where you want to be if your farming gear (unless your doing a specific F100 strat)

[fervent patio]

I just got the Checkpoint a few hours from a nice guy in the discord server.

[hexed steppe]

not a huge deal, positioning is probably the biggest enemy now that build is getting more put together

[wicked igloo]

Any build better then striker for doing CP?

[hexed steppe]

hotshot

[onyx sage]

headhunter in general is way faster yeah

[wicked igloo]

I will try that, im getting bored of striker😂

[fervent patio]

I don't really understand? I have all the shields? Is there more I don't know about?

[onyx sage]

technician class/spec just boosts your existing shield by one more tier

[hard sapphire]

Perfect Headhunter with Regulas and Gunslinger is my favourite build playstyle. Its like playing Highstakes Highspeed Wack-aMole

[onyx sage]

this is just about the spec

[hard sapphire]

And I use White Death as my MMR

[urban latch]

skill tiers and armor tiers make the shields health increase. just getting T1 (a single armor or skill tier) gives you 50% shield health (maybe 40% I cant remember)

[hexed steppe]

skilltier is what a yellow core is (like the ninja bag you posted above)

[fervent patio]

Oh, so I should continue using ballistic shield?

[onyx sage]

yes

[urban latch]

crusader/striker, not bulwark

[fervent patio]

Oh.

I only have red cores... I didn't realize.

So Yellow cores can increase the shield hp?

[hard sapphire]

Yellow and Blue yea

[onyx sage]

yeah but not like you have to go after them, if you're on full red the shield is already tanky enough to let you do your goal of killing enemies fast

[fervent patio]

Oh, dang. I guess I see my problem now. I just suck, lol.

[onyx sage]

but memento as mentioned earlier still has the red core but also the yellow and blue cores do help the shield and just give you more survivability

[urban latch]

use cover without using the cover system

[hard sapphire]

Cover-to-cover movement is pretty big for how the ai targeting works

And you actually sprint faster during it

[fervent patio]

I'll keep trying.

I just need keep at it, and hopefully I'll get better at the tips you guys/gals are giving me.

[fervent patio]

I did not know that part.

[onyx sage]

yep, it's very crucial for all red builds to know how to use cover to cover effectively

[fervent patio]

Noted. Thank you.

[hexed steppe]

it all fun and games till the cover grabs you back, repeatedly ...
at 7500 hrs you would think i knew cover mechanics

[hard sapphire]

I know this is offtopic. But I msged you in lfg-pc. I am going to run a couple floors of summit for the weekly on heroic if you want some coaching on movement.

[onyx sage]

they still haven't fully fixed rubberbanding issues related to cover

[fervent patio]

Yeah... I feel like that was worse on ps4.

[onyx sage]

sooooo... when is zoo happening

[hard sapphire]

Like when you accidently double tap move-into-cover in panic and then pop out.... gets me everytime.

[hexed steppe]

lets shoot for tonight. im on vaca after 5p central

so 7-8ish

[onyx sage]

i've found that "take cover on long press" has helped me a lot and prevents me from rolling and take cover by accident

[onyx sage]

noice

[subtle bluff]

I want in

[onyx sage]

ofc

[coral reef]

its like the Avengers getting together... RIP Black Tusk operatives assigned to the zoo

[onyx sage]

join us. this isn't a request.

[coral reef]

yes sir! 🫡

[hexed steppe]

damn, grandson got all the authority

[onyx sage]

I'm just an average player

[fervent patio]

lol.

[wicked igloo]

Where can i find the hotshot build, i dont see in on the sheet, or i missed it

[coral reef]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0

[onyx sage]

it's titled Sniper Setups

kawaii so fast

[wicked igloo]

Ah didnt realise its a sniper😂 i suck at it on this game

[worn elbow]

Made a heartbreaker build today and I was wondering if i should change anything it’s incredibly fun and very good for solo

[shy willow]

Looks solid

[vestal ibex]

I like to use skill mods but eh.

[stark flicker]

what are there for pve builds for eagle bearer?

[strong cave]

Striker or high end. EB isn't in a good spot for PvE. It barely performs in pvp as well

[stark flicker]

damn

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker works as well if you use an ACS 12 to get stacks and use memento and EB Tenacity to just tank damage

Other than that, the gun kinda sucks ever since they nerfed it to match St Elmo's

[patent fossil]

sadly it's just not very strong at the moment so not used much these days - I use this one for solo sometimes (when I want a change from playing super-squishy glass cannon builds) - works fine for solo heroic or below:

you just have to push hard and keep beaming everything in the face at close quarters

[strong cave]

I run mine with 5 blues both in PvE and PvP dz

[patent fossil]

it was holding up just fine in the Parnell master difficulty mission solo too, until I ran out of ammo due to the sheer number of adds. Good in situations where enemies come from a variety of directions and you can't easily find a safe bit of tall cover to peek around

[wicked igloo]

What scope should i use for hotshot build?

[patent fossil]

It's up to you. Can use sharpshooter-specific one for max hsd or a non-scope one for faster aiming

[wicked igloo]

Cause all scopes above x4 seem kinda slow, since all enemies move so fast

Hard to hit headshots to be fair

Or maybe its just a skill issue

[patent fossil]

Generally you pre-aim while in cover, then scope and shoot in one quick movement. Don't stay scoped in if you can avoid it.

decoy is an excellent skill for getting enemies to stand still (as long as they aren't being attacked by another skill or player)

[wicked igloo]

I think for now i just stay with my red crit dps, cause i thought this build would make me kill faster at CP, but i spend more time getting a good aim than getting kills😂

[hexed steppe]

Most use determined on hotshot builds because it chains body shots as headshots.
It's a broken strong talent that kinda takes the skill out of the build. If using non determined then props and itll get easier . I been liking the mantis exo mmr lately

[solar sable]

imagine hitting someone on their toenails and killing them instantly

[coral reef]

actual strategy on Legendary chungas with shield

[dusk dust]

I dont know if this is the place but when is the best time to tink with weapons also can you use that on exotics and others.

[patent fossil]

You can optimise and expertise exotics but you can't recalibrate them. You can reconfigure them at the crafting bench, this consumes an exotic component and gives the exotic completely fresh rolls which may be better or worse than they were previously

[dusk dust]

@patent fossil thanks gives me an idea on how to proceed. Bloodsucker, headhuntr and determined, do you think i can use all three on a build at once using different gear and weaps.

[patent fossil]

You certainly can, one is a weapon talent, one is a chest talent and the other is a backpack talent

usually people run vigilance with headhunter though for more damage, bonus armor isn't necessary if you're one-shotting everything and using cover effectively

[subtle bluff]

And skills like decoy

[dusk dust]

Yea but it will be useful for dogs and crowds also if u have the group sharing active for amour regen

They should add a cyborg dog like steven segals own in the movies or rex in resident evil the movie

I think its a suvivalist skill

But i mean as a companion a cyborb dog that upgradable

Anyway thanks.

[meager fog]

What is useful for dogs? bonus armour? You can one shot those too with a determined build.....you just have to wait for it to explode to count as a headshot

[dusk dust]

Exotics how to aquire components in bulk.

[meager fog]

by farming exotics...each one you dismantle gives 1 component

[dusk dust]

@meager fog o didnt know

Ye, any way get mass in one go

To get

[meager fog]

They're a rare resource there is zero way to get lots of them in one go

You get them from dismantling exotic gear, and from completeing projects

[dusk dust]

O thanks

[narrow tulip]

I’m just now getting back into the game and I’m wondering if st Elmo’s is still meta?

[subtle bluff]

More or less.

[solar sable]

that word is going to drive me insane.

[meager fog]

It's still one of the most used and for good reason

[subtle bluff]

It's reliable is what I like to call it.

[meager fog]

Big mag, good RPM and anti suppression mechanic built in. What's not to like.

[gloomy spruce]

Rather than asking for the meta, I would like to ask something different. What is the most meme AR and AR build in existence?

Or at least that you know of?

[patent fossil]

Meme in what sense? Popular? Useless?

[subtle bluff]

My other things is imo I think there’s 2 different means and peoples thought when the word “meta” is used.

[meager fog]

I mean, unless they don't know what meta means theres only one meaning for it.

Most Effective Tactics Available

[subtle bluff]

You said it better.

I like saying mathematical but that’s just because I go by the numbers 😐

[meager fog]

Mathematically Efficient Tactics Available?

[subtle bluff]

Yup

Since we can math DPS and Dmg easily.

[meager fog]

By any metric, or definition, it simply refers to the Fastest and most effective way to complete content.

Right now, that's Strikers DPS. (Gun choice can vary, but Police M4 is probably the actual meta)

[meager fog]

You will know, how well does Iron Lung pair with OD builds?

[subtle bluff]

Sadist is huge buff. Iron Lung is better on DPS builds like Strikers.

[meager fog]

Sadist NEGEV 😏 Actually picked one up earlier....going to try that out tomorrow

Until I can find another Carnage

[subtle bluff]

Try a m249.

[strange steppe]

Why doesn’t the division want me to have a badger tuff chest with intimidate? I’ve done countdown so many times and I can’t get one. This is bullshit

[subtle bluff]

You could just reroll into the talent too.
But also can I ask what the build to maybe help you not waste your time?

[strange steppe]

Shotgun PvP build with adrenaline rush and intimidate

[subtle bluff]

AH. You maybe able to move the brandset around but ya GL.

[hoary valve]

what build are good for Phantom, Death, Cross, and Diamond hunters?

[subtle bluff]

think you got the wrong game.

[hoary valve]

oh i mean hunters

[subtle bluff]

You’re looking for a build against hunters?

[hoary valve]

-_-

[subtle bluff]

Bud.. You just said stuff and hunters..

[stark dawn]

These are the 4 DC hunters that spawn around the Christmas tree.

[tulip charm]

Do it on normal, run foam and shock trap, and scorpio with pfe mods will easily do it

[subtle bluff]

Just go to normal and killing them.

If you want to do it on heroic it’s a hard for a reason.

[hoary valve]

yea i am but they are killing me quickly

[subtle bluff]

It’s more gameplay than build here..

Don’t rush them? There’s only +1 your team size.

[stark dawn]

No, it's always 4 being spawned. So have a group helps.

These are the Ivory Key hunters, not "open world"

[subtle bluff]

Oh right open world hunters.

Too use to clearing summit F100 hunters on heroic and leggo 😐

TO me open world. Sorry but you’re right.

[stark dawn]

If you are desperate: Boost a character to level 30, spawn them, and invite a level 40 friend (the hunters do not increase level, and you are just doing it for the masks/keys anyway). I think particularly solo them on level 40 feels nowadays quite imbalanced. They were designed for level 30 and when people had World Tiers, i.e. a bit more OP vs. the base level 30.

This is possible because the Ivory Key is shared between characters (will spawn for your main, for example, in the White House if you did a particular DC hunter on an alt).

And if you want to solo them, you can totally focus on one of the hunters. I think there is a mechanic in the game that will ensure masks and the final key are handed out after you killed the total number of hunters in a group, even across multiple spawns/attempts. So it’s not you have to kill all of them at once.

[karmic wasp]

What’s the best build to survive AI’s and Players in the dark zone?

[stark dawn]

The first thing to decide for this question is if this is for solo or playing in a group.

[karmic wasp]

Solo

[subtle bluff]

If you’re asking that Why are you there in the first place, would be my question.

There almost no reason to go into DZ. You can get everything else outside of it.

[stark dawn]

Solo, if you are ultimately doing PvE (and occasional evasion of PvP groups), it would be Pulse Resistance. If you are there for PvP then the question is complicated.

[kindred mango]

What shd level are you? If under 1000 you can run anything pretty much

not many killers in there unless they are using alt accts

[hexed steppe]

available right now at the countdown vendor

[gloomy spruce]

A great example of meme for say rifles is: 1886 w determined, HH, Hunter's Fury or a build devoted to HSD. The whole build is ridiculously broken low effort and high reward.
Another example of a meme weapon is like the Bosg shotgun in R6 siege. Its a shotgun that people use as a slug based sniper rifle. It is impractical in this instance, but when it works; it has wild results.
AR's in Div 2 don't seem to have any type of similar builds that I can find yet. We have striker which people complain is too easy to bestow power, but you still have to aim(effort) and it is consistently reliable(goes against second definition of meme idea).

[hazy steeple]

"meme" is often used as a way to describe an entirely useless or ineffectual weapon, that's why when we're describing a meta or kinda broken OP setup, we usually say "meta or kinda broken OP".

[tulip hemlock]

Like the sleigher?

[gloomy spruce]

There was at one point a sleigher meme build. It was called the "air support build". When it worked, you could carpet bomb entire areas. It was a glitch tho.

Still it was hilarious to behold when it worked.

Also tended to crash people's computers and gpu's. That was a problem.

In a game like this where some have been playing since beta back in 2019, there are times when it is fun to look for crazy and ridiculous builds that have comedic value.

There is only so much of running the same meta striker or high-end exotic gc/obliterate + vigi builds that eventually make the game become boring.

[hexed steppe]

example, combuster chest build in a group of determined users

[gloomy spruce]

There was that time when the Sacrum Imperium had friendly fire enabled...

That too was a glitch tho. 🙁

[shy willow]

🙏

[gloomy spruce]

@hexed steppe there is also the whole Carpenter/Collector plus Festive delivery. Wannabe sharpshooters love screen shakes.

[shy willow]

Bring back cooler bug it was glorious 🙏

[hexed steppe]

its quite ridiculous, and i always catch some feedback when its running

if timed correctly the explosions can be offset and basically nonstop shaking

absolute best tank in the game tho

[gloomy spruce]

That sir, looks like an assault on their graphics cards. lmao

Also points for it being a ninjabike build. 🐺

[hexed steppe]

it normally outlasts any encounters

its like a 15 second refresh plus heal every 10 seconds

if i leave the hive on my back and be within range the decoy literally lasts forever

[gloomy spruce]

It may not be an AR meme build, but I think I've got to make one of those.

[hexed steppe]

you can just stand there most of the time and it takes all the heat. was testing with some npcs and a marauder in open world and they just ignore me. its so stupid tho 😂 . like 219% threat iirc

[bright raptor]

wait is that an actual functional version of the explosive delivery artificier hive argument we were subject to

[hexed steppe]

it functions. takes aggro, messes up determined users , delivers ok explosive damage to things that cant* resist getting closer to it

thats all youre doing tho. it is the definition of a meme build, which is why it was brought up

[gloomy spruce]

It has impressive comedic value as well. Don't ignore that.

[violet shadow]

What's a good Strega build?

I'm more of a tank guy not dps guy

I've had the Strega for a while but I don't know what kind of build to do with it I was thinking Negotiator's Dilemma with it but I'm not sure

[subtle bluff]

strikers

[solar sable]

Not gonna work

[rocky rain]

I have 65% CHC. How is that possible? Has the maximum been increased?

[subtle bluff]

Seasonal Modifers

[rocky rain]

Ah of course. What’s the max then?

[subtle bluff]

idk. Doesn't really matter just do it like you don't have it and it'll work fine

[meager fog]

That ain't meme though, 1886 determined is a solid build....

[meager fog]

60% is the maximum CHC without modifier

[meager fog]

When does vendor change? Only just saw this

[patent fossil]

Modifiers add up to 10% more at firearms tier 5, can temporarily go up to 40% more when you use one of the links, getting you to potentially 100% crit chance.

[patent fossil]

Tuesdays same time as weekly projects refresh

[narrow tulip]

Current build. Trashed my halfway decent Elmo on accident so have to grind countdown. I saw that police m4 is meta. Would st Elmo’s-pyromaniac-Mozambique be good?

[meager fog]

On a DPS build a Police M4 with Strained. Pyromaniac is eh

But also....get some mods on that mask, chestpiece and backpack....you're missing alot of damage

[subtle bluff]

in CD you can use almost w/e for weapon wise. When doing stuff that's when it becomes important to pick the right weapon.

[narrow tulip]

That’s what I did right after was put has and crit mods on

[violet shadow]

Not bad only difference is I have Maxed our chameleon maxed out (That exotic mask) I'm so tired... And Maxed out majority of my Striker gear with Fenerec chest with obliterate

Just working on getting Maxed out Crit damage mods now

I already have 60% Crit hit chance

[unborn ore]

this would be decent for a raid build but for higher difficulty you may want to add 2-3 blue cores, memento bag, and go gunner. also swap to a reviver hive or decoy and a crusader shield

[violet shadow]

I need to get a God roll on my chest

It's still a work in progress

I do need to work on Making my Strega

It already have a god Roll On it already I don't have the resources to Reroll it so since everything is already nearly maxed I'll just finish it with the optimization

[subtle bluff]

You do not need Blue cores. If you're feeling like you need sure use them but you do not need them

[meager fog]

Why on earth would you advocate for blue cores on a perfectly fine Striker build?

Completely negates the purpose of the build

[unborn ore]

for someone first starting out and on heroic a couple blue cores help survivability when playing solo

[meager fog]

No they don't, more armour doesn't make survivability on high difficulties. Enemies will still pump through it

Positioning and cover use is what aids survivability

[unborn ore]

they are level 42 shd probably dont have the hang of utilizing angles and cover and spawn areas yet

[meager fog]

Learn by doing. Not by gimping your build

Gunner was a legitimately good piece of advice. Passive AoK is nice.

But everything before that legitimately nerfed his build

[grizzled garnet]

yall so demolisher firely... on true son heavies, lmg-ers and other helmeted enemies does it go for their helmet or wha?

[hushed gorge]

3 days to wait for stretch goals

[grizzled garnet]

bc if so that seems pretty stronk on determined builds

[meager fog]

No, it goes for their ammo packs

Helmet isn't a weakpoint

[grizzled garnet]

🥲 there goes my hopes and dreams

I guess foam is the way

[meager fog]

Foam is good, Sniper drone is good too, effective use oif flashbangs also helps with rushers and helmets

[gloomy spruce]

Its a meme because you are killing everything ridiculously with one shot and the build itself is completely broken.(Determined never resetting on body shot) The 'air support build' earned meme status because it was also broken.

Blowing everything up with particle effects slowing servers and crashing people's gpu's.

[grizzled garnet]

Idk about you but thats not the definition of "meme build" i subscribe to. For me meme builds are funny, barely functional and for laughs. Something being good with a relatively low skill requirement doesnt constitute a meme build. By your logic strikers could be a meme build

[patent fossil]

See this is why I originally asked the person what they meant by meme, since the term is used in a few different ways.

[loud pine]

too much common sense for this server

[hazy steeple]

I genuinely can not believe the conversation went on for that long.

[gloomy spruce]

The problem with strikers is that it requires aim(effort) and has little to no comedic value.

Shooting everything with one shot even if it is to the body and making a complete mockery of the difficulty levels in the game is funny and hence in my mind a meme.

[gloomy spruce]

You make a good point. There are too many possible definitions. I just limit it to the question "does this build hold any comedic value?"

[grizzled garnet]

And yet... for hotshot its the same. To start the loop you need to aim. To deal with helmet enemies you need to aim.

This is prob gonna be my last response on the matter because it will seem to go in circles based on rivens' response

[runic lily]

I'm debating whether I want to run Ninjabike or Vile instead and the Brazos Knees for extra magazine capacity because I love Iron Lung with my build OR try and continue for a China Light Holster with Status and Handling for the explosive damage to make vile a little better. I am mainly running fire for the fun of it and just the general theme of my build. I'd be losing 10 Status Effect in total if I switched to Ninjabike unless I used Golan Knees I guess?

[meager fog]

I think its just said person misunderstanding what meme builds are.

[meager fog]

The answer is:

NBM backpack is never needed....for anything.

Its a noob trap

[runic lily]

That's what I figured especially when so many people said constantly "run Ninjabike", but still wanted the advice for it

[grizzled garnet]

On an off not your build appears to be a mix and match of builds. A little status, a little damage, a little mortar. Imo stick with one of the paths and itll do better

[runic lily]

I have status effect on pretty much every piece of gear there. Picaros is there because I am a sucker for the weapon damage and I wanted a little more. Mortar is there to stack bleed and fire which has been effective. The armor on picaros is there for survivability because even with awareness, rushers suck ass

[grizzled garnet]

But that means your mortar is suffering

Take a look at the pinned spreadsheet

If you want to stick with status builds but feel like rushers are the issue slap on scorpio (exotic shotgun)

[runic lily]

I'd rather not use Scorpio tbh as I wanted to use ARs and LMGs

Am I suffering? Yes. But I'm still enjoying catching an enemy on fire at half mag and spreading it for a bit more damage

[grizzled garnet]

unfortunately it is what is it. For ars and lmgs itd be strikers which is a straight damage build

[runic lily]

As what I've been told lol

[grizzled garnet]

One thing i do with i run iron lung is what when at full stacks i just spray the enemies and they catch on fire

[runic lily]

Pretty much what I do

[grizzled garnet]

(Spray as in shoot all different enemies)

[runic lily]

It's very effective on rushers when I'm not tunnel visioned on a few other enemies

[grizzled garnet]

id say you you wanna main ars and lmgs go for strikers. Otherwise with your current setup youre lacking and real focus

[runic lily]

I will pass on using striker

[grizzled garnet]

Welp i tried

[runic lily]

These are the stats my baby rolled with when I first got it

[runic lily]

I appreciate the advice though. Maybe I'll use it for a Pestilence Build at some point since I loved using that gun. Not sure yet

Or just a straight up Stoner build

[meager fog]

At this point it feels like you're just trying to be contrarian in your creativity.

This game is nearly 7 years old. Theres nothing you're trying that hasn't already been mathed out

This is a build advice channel, you were given advice on your build. You chose to ignore and try to contradict it.

The advice you were given is the builds that are currently the best available.

[runic lily]

Because I don't have to accept advice, I can hear and listen to it but that doesn't mean I have to take it

[meager fog]

I'll just flat out say it because you're just going to argue.

Your build is bad.

[runic lily]

Yes I know, but I still enjoy it

And I wanted advice and I got it but I don't need to take it

[meager fog]

In terms of, what is expected for high level content and for those who would utilise you in a group. Its plain bad.

I'm not interested in responses to this, because you're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

You are 100% free to enjoy whatever you wish to slap together, that is absolutely fine.

But you didn't come here for advice

[runic lily]

I did come here for advice??? Tips and ideas? I can happily decline an idea because I don't want to play that way?

[hazy steeple]

Play nice, Agents.

[shy willow]

Just to chime in, when running eclipse there's generally two routes: fire and foam

[runic lily]

I'm running fire personally

[shy willow]

You'll want vile and 4 pieces of eclipse including the bag

6th piece is flex: some run glass cannon electrique for the tick damage, EP chest for spread etc

[tired falcon]

For the Eclipse gearset ninja backpack is pointless, you're losing out on the damage from Vile mask.
I love Iron Lung too, and the 85 rounds is kind of annoying but it hasn't been a real problem in every build I've used.
That said if you want to buff the box mag size, run something like this

Catharsis or Coyote or Catalyst mask
Contractors gloves
Foxes Prayer kneepads
rest Brazos

Is not practical for legendary but good enough elsewhere

[runic lily]

Isn't Catharsis mainly a support mask?

[shy willow]

Catharsis is mostly relegated to PvP and raid builds

[runic lily]

Hmmm I'll have to grab that and test it, I'm running the chest because more range for spread y'know?

Oh the perk for Catharsis I see what you mean now

[shy willow]

Yeah both options are pretty nice, I go for the ep chest myself as well

[tired falcon]

yeah I get it, but glass cannon would be better...the Eclipse chest talent doesn't make enough of a difference to really matter

[runic lily]

Hmmmm true, it's like 5 extra range and I might be overthinking the actual usefulness of that

I remember reading into the glass cannon perk, I like the idea but it is definitely glass cannon. Would work well though, definitely need to test that

[shy willow]

5 meters is a pretty generous increase

[runic lily]

I remember reading somewhere that Eclipse used to be 20 meters in total? Did that get nerfed or something?

[shy willow]

Refreshes the ticks more too

[tired falcon]

depends on the situation. ie for Tidal legendary I use the chest with perfect creeping death backpack, so I can send out the blinder firefly to those annoying pesky drone operators and snipers

there's quite a bit of flexibility so to each their own

[shy willow]

For crowd control EP yeah courier is peak

[runic lily]

Oh 100%

I read into that and definitely should do something with that for crowd control when playing with others

[runic lily]

So for a Crowd Control EP I am assuming

Foam, Blinder Firefly, maybe Bluescreen or keep the Iron Lung, and something like creeping death chest instead because the EP Backpack is a bit too good to lose tbh but idk

Because that is a 30% overall damage increase you are losing on effected enemies

[hoary sail]

There is no creepy death on chest backpack only

[runic lily]

Oh gotcha, I didn't know that

[hoary sail]

Nd Picaro is not that good for pve

[runic lily]

Ehhhhh, I like it for PVE. I would prefer a China Light with Status Effect

[shy willow]

Generally you use perfect creeping death bag, 4 EP with the chest and the last piece is flex but generally you want electrique

Weapons wise Scorpio and lefty are common picks for support

[hoary sail]

I use golam nd electric BP with creepy

[shy willow]

The extra 5 meters on perfect makes it so much better imo

[hexed steppe]

Dont need ep bag on eclipse cc setups.
Ep bag on fire setups is must tho.

Assuming ep cc is for group play, then creeping isnt the only option... scorpio + opportunistic bag helps really drive up team damage... same kinda setup fi healers use.

[runic lily]

I am running a fire set up with Pyromaniac (My Beloved) and Iron Lung (My beloved). That's what I run mainly for fun

[hexed steppe]

Team will spread the status regardless

[grizzled garnet]

Also survivalist increase team damage to statused enemies iirc which is helpful

[hoary sail]

Nd can break plate

[shy willow]

Mfw I've foamed everyone in a 10 mile radius and my teammates choose to shoot the stragglers

[hoary sail]

Same 🤣

[hexed steppe]

Training issue, crack the whip

[runic lily]

Definitely going to keep that knowledge for when I do an Eclipse CC

[hexed steppe]

It's how I run it in countdown

Also with hazpro tho

[shy willow]

👴

[grizzled garnet]

Unfortunate reality of no comms

[hoary sail]

I run it too mostly for hunters

[hexed steppe]

Exactly. everything gets stuck, no matter what 😎

[hoary sail]

Nd can sometimes carry the end

[hoary sail]

Y i know but the pain to get it 😭

[shy willow]

If you have the blueprint it's a lottt easier

[hoary sail]

I have it I think

[hoary sail]

It's 2 m extra nd 5s cd less than normal creepy

[hexed steppe]

Nice thing about opportunistic... in the beginning of the cd match, if there is the hazpro immune modifier you can still debuff hunters.

[hoary sail]

I don't really see if it's worth than electric bp

[hexed steppe]

Perf creeping is worth more than regular tho... that electric bag gives you 1 second more foam duration at the loss of the extra range and lower cooldown

[hoary sail]

oh ok now makes sense. thx

[thin olive]

So i have:

• 1 Arty turret build
• 2 High end turret /drone
• 3 Cluster spam HW
• 4 Status spam HW
• 5 Eclipse CC
• 6 Eclipse dmg
• 7 Refactor
• 8 Future intiative pocket healer.
• 9 Messured
• 10 Triple tick
• 11 Negotiator
• 12 Basic B Striker
• 13 Sniper one shot
• 14 Pointman+Levoiser ( 2.1m armor spam )
• 15 Founder raid tank.

I have no idea what my last build to be.

I've tried a lot of them... From meta to non meta. heck even went as far as doing yellow ongoing.

[hoary sail]

pfe maybe

[grizzled garnet]

1886 hsd?

Heartbreaker catharsis build?

Ongoing directive sadist (for when tinkerers)?

[hexed steppe]

Triple tick is od

Maybe an oxi setup.
Striker/nego/od covers pretty much any dps needs.
Mortar fills all the other gaps imho 😎 , imho.

Maybe something geared towards stacking team buffs for 1 shots on raid/incursion bosses. Req team coordination obv

[thin olive]

Im intrested in this stacking setup.

[tired falcon]

have you tried Ortiz builds?
Vile mask, Proxy backpack, Iron Lung or Bluescreen, using decoy and flame turret. Is not the best for CC but is a lot of fun

[thin olive]

I did, sadly the CD on ortiz is quite horrible.
I even tried giving it the 60% cd reduction from Hermano to make it work.. it just to long

[narrow tulip]

For me what worked best is just grinding chest armors, then go to the tinker station and pulling out the stats you want

[narrow tulip]

What’s the blue cores, momento bag, and go gunner?

And could I use the striker shield?

[narrow tulip]

The way I play I’m a big cover to cover person, could I take off coyote and put on nimble holster?

[dreamy valve]

hmmm Nimble?

[narrow tulip]

I’m targeting striker to get the mask

[grizzled garnet]

I wonder if tinkerers mask with dethrone coyotes as the goto exotic for strikers

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[grizzled garnet]

Itll be an option but not the immediate goto?

[subtle bluff]

Exotic weapons are still very nice to have. I love my Iron Lung.
How easy it’s gonna be to get is gonna be in the air.

[runic lily]

It took me a couple of exotic crates to get one personally after like 8 Pestilences? I love both but Iron Lung I think is better on what I'm running

[narrow tulip]

I lied this is current

And yes I’m putting mods on

[glad heart]

5th piece of striker gear is a wasted slot... use a Ceska chest with obliterate....

[narrow tulip]

That’s what I thought

Thankfully I have a ceska lol

[hexed steppe]

shoulda used it before taking the ss if its what you thought

green gear is basically 4pc or no pc

same kinda thing for brandsets if going highend, gold, only get bonus for 3 max, after that also waste

also make sure you read the chest talent on green sets, some are essential and some are subpar. thatll help determine which pieces should be highend.
example-
striker you rarely use the chest unless able to push max stacks constantly, otherwise its better to highend.
something like eclipse protocol, ongoing directive, future initiative will likely always use the gearset chest

youll find a sheet with build guides pinned in this channel, they will set you in the right direction so you can streamline farming and save yourself time getting to optimal setup

📌

[narrow tulip]

Okay I knew there was a chart I used a while ago but I couldn’t find it. Speaking of which what are the best gear mods to use; skill haste-duration, or crit chance-damage-headshot damage?

[hexed steppe]

so for skill builds itll be haste or repair depending on build type.
for dps its crit chance and damage
for mmr/pistol 1 shots or bighorn setups itll be headshot damage.
protection from elites fit into pfe builds.

all else , imho, is fairly wasted. you can do some stuff with the resistance mods but could just as easily use hazpro to gain resistance to all status, not just the specific status resistance the mod covers

[narrow tulip]

I put the chance-damage-damage mods on

[hexed steppe]

if i have a setup i really dont need mods for , like a turret drone highend that already has a ton of haste, ill slot in pfe mods

youll want to push your crit chance to the 50ish range then dump all else into crit damage

[narrow tulip]

I need to farm true sons and other stuff so I can get the crit and damages up

[hexed steppe]

until you get past like shd 500 itll be harder for balancing that. its no rush tbh as long as you are moving in a positive direction

[glad heart]

Looks like two yellow attributes that are holding you back as well

[narrow tulip]

I’ve been doing a lot of countdown and dz

What are the yellow attributes?

[glad heart]

On your mask and holster.... appears red core and yellow attribute

They should be crit damage...

[hexed steppe]

or chance

[glad heart]

or chance depends yes

[narrow tulip]

Oh my strikers mask has haste built in. I’ll grind true sons to get the parts then switch it out bc my mod library is pretty much max

[hexed steppe]

whats your current crit chance/crit damage levels? inventory > stats

[worn imp]

What skills to use on this Eclipse protocol burn build?: 4 EP including both chest and pack, 1 electrique, 1 Golan or vile mask

[meager fog]

that crit damage is WAY too low

[hexed steppe]

chance isnt bad and is workable as you build up shd/better attribute rolls. youll definitely want to use crit damage as Angel suggested

[hexed steppe]

wip build

[meager fog]

I know, he's working on it

[narrow tulip]

Like I said I’m trying to get true sons parts to swap attributes at a tinkering station at a tinkering station

[hexed steppe]

eletrique, vile, fire chem and fire sticky

[meager fog]

Should look something like this in the end

[narrow tulip]

I’m trying to get st Elmo’s, but I get like no exotic drops

[meager fog]

Elmos isn't the be all and end all, literally any high RPM gun works. It's very nice, but the Police M4 is better

[narrow tulip]

So should I just use 2 high and guns and then double exotic gear?

[hexed steppe]

low as well

[meager fog]

You can only equip one exotic gear at a time and one weapon

[narrow tulip]

Okay

[meager fog]

I'm still missing some from watch, and mods that aren't maxed 😛

Almost 400 hours in game, first maxed mod today lmao

[hexed steppe]

nice

just poking fun btw 🍻

[meager fog]

I know, 🙂 lol

[hexed steppe]

ever use nego?

[meager fog]

Negotiators dilemma? Not yet

[hexed steppe]

oops, was missing a mod

[meager fog]

Damn lol, i'm almost 30% behind 😮

[hexed steppe]

super dope set. a little different play style but has really good talent for clearing target rich environments

striker top single target damage .
nego top multitarget damage

[meager fog]

I'll try it out next, thanks 🙂

[hexed steppe]

its interchangeable with standard striker off pieces as well. may need grupo chest instead of ceska, but thats when you fine tune it to squeeze every bit of crit damage out of it

[narrow tulip]

If I’m running countdown then would nego be better?

I like striker, but when I’m faced with more than like 3 enemies I get overwhelmed

[meager fog]

Try a hearbreaker build. Sacrifices a bit of DPS for more survivability

[hexed steppe]

start with striker, after solid with that then farm neg

hb good too 👆

harder to farm tho

[narrow tulip]

Is heartbreaker a set?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, another dps set

no modifiers on, nego

[narrow tulip]

And how good is bulwark?

What’s your m1?

[hexed steppe]

m1a cqb

with boomerang talent

[narrow tulip]

I’ve been flipping between stage left and the mk47

Just whichever I get what has more damage, bc I have my skill put to sidearm, rifle, assault rifle

[narrow tulip]

lol my gear sets are green. Gotta love being colorblind

[strong cave]

Wanna see my ravvy build? 👀

[hexed steppe]

striker thrives on high rpm. lefty shotgun would be better for stacking, or an lmg fits

[hexed steppe]

ofc

[narrow tulip]

Maybe exotic rifle, shotgun?

[hexed steppe]

im a build wh.. "enthusiast"

[narrow tulip]

Bc exotic would take advantage of class skills right

[hexed steppe]

exotic is just exotic. itll take advantage as much as a highend weapon would in the same slot

[spice kindle]

I've seen high levels with Mac attributes. And I'm trying to find a way to recalibrate but it won't let me. Help?

[strong cave]

You might like this one tbh. Hits for pretty good numbers and makes ravvy actually worth taking

[narrow tulip]

The way I have it set up I need a rifle in the mix bc that’s what the missile classes gun specialty is

[hexed steppe]

you already recalibrated the main weapon damage attribute. swapped in the max roll

[narrow tulip]

I will say with the mk47 I was using I was cranking up to 2.4 mil damage in countdown

[spice kindle]

I'm confused

[spice kindle]

So how do I max out the attributes

[meager fog]

You can only recalibrate one slot

[strong cave]

Optimize

[hexed steppe]

extract a higher roll than current then optimize

[strong cave]

Eventually my game will load 💀

[hexed steppe]

pc on oldman mode

[strong cave]

My lil 3050 Ti and Ryzen 5 5600 about to have a stroke tbh

@hexed steppe give this a tickle, just for funsies. honestly hits really good

PSA: the modifiers are disabled

running accuracy + stability mods on the m16 rifle and the thing is pinpoint accurate. reminds me of the burst m16 from COD: Black Ops 1 with how it handles. boomerang makes it hit for dummy numbers

[hexed steppe]

i tried something similar but without the zwai pieces. looks good from my house

[narrow tulip]

Is lullaby and sweet dreams half decent?

[strong cave]

figured id give a clip 🔥

[strong cave]

it MELTS anything it hits

[hexed steppe]

nice 😎

[narrow tulip]

How is ur minigun holding 225?

[strong cave]

thats badass 😂 🔫 🤠

[strong cave]

centurion's scabbard. i think gives 90% magazine size and weapon handling

[narrow tulip]

Hmm I see

[strong cave]

i was wrong. 50% mag size and 50% reload speed

[modern night]

4 people with striker turmoil and mini guns 💪

[narrow tulip]

And then how good is lullaby and sweet dreams? I have the crafting and respec for them both

[modern night]

I don’t even use them

[narrow tulip]

Either that or I use Scorpio

[modern night]

Scorpio for sure

[narrow tulip]

I want to use a shotgun/rifle combo

[modern night]

Like headhunter ?

[narrow tulip]

I’m using tech class

Harmony-Scorpio most likely

Or switch the rifle for and shotguns around

[strong cave]

this would work. just swap my crit mods around

[modern night]

Rifle and shotgun combo gonna be weird to use endless your using headhunter

[narrow tulip]

Yes I see people using the six12sd

[modern night]

I used to use six12 with brazen on my bloody knuckles striker build for the incursion pre nerf you could get up to 70 mil sustained dps

[subtle bluff]

It's not that good anymore due it's nerfs. Still usable in solo play

I miss pre nerf six12

[narrow tulip]

Diamondback/the mop with heartbreaker, coyote, ceska?

[strong cave]

diamond back is ass

[narrow tulip]

I don’t care about sustained damage as more of a run and gun hitting good damage numbers

I like the diamondback🥲 ravenous instead?

[strong cave]

youll be stuck having to target whatever diamondback tells you to target. its not that great considering if diamondback tells you to target a target that isn't an immediate threat and you need to kill somebody that is... well, youll get no damage

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot...

HB you need stacks..

[narrow tulip]

What’s hotshot?

[strong cave]

anything for damage in this game thats viable requires good sustained and burst damage. without either or, youre basically useless marrying the ground

[strong cave]

marksman Gearset. this is a PVP build but the target icons on fire is what youll want

[narrow tulip]

Burst as in going from cover to cover, shooting a guy then moving?

[strong cave]

more like hit 1 headshot, bodyshot everything in 1 shot (requires determined)

[narrow tulip]

Ahh

I’m trying to find good rifle/ full auto weapon build

Idc what the other gun is but I want a rifle

[subtle bluff]

@narrow tulip if you haven't gone to Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub
You may want to take a look in there

[subtle bluff]

The more context you give the better we can point you in.

OD build Rifle would where I point you in.

[narrow tulip]

That website if so wierd to use on my phone