td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

For what tho?

[worn mango]

This is a comparison on a standard AR Striker, it's his damage comparison over all guns and talents

[strong cave]

Yeah but is this only for testing Burst DPS?

Because if so, no duh

[subtle bluff]

Is this DPS?

Burst I’m guessing but then from the range?

[strong cave]

I sure hope not because those numbers don't look right

[subtle bluff]

You really can’t measure DPS precisely from the range.

[strong cave]

Apparently it's from iKia recommending Measured

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[strong cave]

On a standard striker build apparently

[subtle bluff]

IMO I think so too. Even tho you’re losing WD that RPM is a quicker burst for some off it.

RoF few

[strong cave]

Of course it's higher burst, not a surprise there. We all knew that. It's the 25% increased rate of fire for the first half of the mag

[subtle bluff]

I’ve always like measured so I can’t say too much.

[strong cave]

I'm talking strictly for all content, not just PvE. Measured isn't worth it in pvp. You can't expect it to perform in one area and then Into the next. That's my argument

[subtle bluff]

Agreed

[strong cave]

Personally, shooting a bit faster while losing 25% WD isn't all that worth to pass up. Of course on striker the burst is more. Now let's exclude striker and go full high end. Will it perform then? Doubt it

[worn mango]

Yeah, I'm guessing the only way you can actually get baseline values is from the range. Of course everything is with a grain of salt in usability and comfort but then oranges to oranges is all I'm referencing. And with the same build it keeps everything standard

[strong cave]

Wrong. There's formulas you can use to calculate exact burst and sustain dps

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages there’s a spreadsheet to calculate DPS correctly

[worn mango]

I have my own calc, I know lol

[strong cave]

There's a spreadsheet for it made by Raucey I believe

[patent fossil]

Assuming you're using the whole mag, the rate of fire changes basically just cancel each other out, no? So basically you're trading weapon damage for total weapon damage, which is great when your build's WD is a lot higher than your TWD, but pretty pointless when it isn't.

[subtle bluff]

So you’re cal the avg bullet dmg then adding rpm?

[worn mango]

This is what I was calc'ing at the time, no idea how old this is

[hoary sage]

Noob question, why nobody want to use rifle, all the guide i have read so far always either Ar or Smg?

[worn mango]

Worse stability generally so harder to use. It's become easier once they've made some of them full auto but genreally AR's are easier to use

[subtle bluff]

RPM wins for DPS output.

[subtle bluff]

For DPS the way raucey has it done is MUCH easier to do.

Like I don’t ever do the math for it unless I’m trying to break everything down to even TTK HP markers.

[worn mango]

I don't either, I haven't looked at it in probably a year

I just did my own so I understand how things worked

[subtle bluff]

It’s pretty basic. Your Crit and non crit numbers then CHC% for avg bullet then RPM/RPS but then for burst and stained reload speed

OK not basic but ya

[solar sable]

if this is the division elementary school I don't want to play anymore

[stark flicker]

is elmo the best ar for striker's or is it just the easiest to get?

[worn mango]

Easiest is relative but high liklihood of getting it with AR targeted countdown, handles well and gives you an okay talent

And big mag too

[stark flicker]

I alr have it I just wanna know if there's smth better for dps ar or not

current build is 4pc striker memento and ob ceska chest

[worn mango]

I'd have a good FAMAS, FAL, CTAR, F2000, M4 for good HE options

[stark flicker]

for famas should I go killer strained or fast hands?

[subtle bluff]

There’s no best overall in this game.

[stark flicker]

I moreso meant highest mag dps among ar's and smg's

including talent

[worn mango]

I'd go killer if you can keep it proc'd

[stark flicker]

are smg's viable with strikers or are they better with he?

[subtle bluff]

Killer is gonna do more DPS.

Elmo is just a reliable AR

[worn mango]

Yeah, overall solid, easy to shoot, big mag, okay talent

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vector 9mm w/Killer is amazing.

SMG9’s are good

[stark flicker]

is dark winter better or worse than a standard vector

[subtle bluff]

I’ll just say what I said again

There are 3 different vector that are different stats wise

DW is just P. Killer

[stark flicker]

I'm looking and it looks like high-end the mag dps is better for a tac vector over dark winter but idk how the talent would factor in

[subtle bluff]

You need to look at all 3 DPS stats

Not just mag dmg

[stark flicker]

I'm seeing mag dps and sustain dps

these are the talentless comparisons

top is tac vector bottom is dw

I'm looking and it seems like dark winter does a decent chunk more having a sustained dps of ~550k with p. killer compared to a tac vector's ~495k with killer

ofc this is without a modded mag size

[subtle bluff]

If you don’t care about burst don’t use a Vector

[stark flicker]

I moreso care abt sustain bc I think that's the one that matters more in a fight

I also preferably want smth with higher than 600 rpm though

[coral reef]

Got the mask baby! LETS COOK 👨‍🍳 🔥

Why you people gotta clip my wings 😭

[stark flicker]

ignoring this restriction though the 1928 seems to have the best with a 527k sustain dps ignoring mag increases

is there even an extended mag for the m1928 though?

[subtle bluff]

Again you need to measure all 3 charts together to see what’s good.

Burst adds in RPM

[stark flicker]

wdym all 3?

do you mean modded sustain?

[subtle bluff]

Burst DPS, Sustain DPS and Mag Dmg.

You can’t just measure them from just base.

[stark flicker]

so dps modded sustain and total mag?

[subtle bluff]

Like you can but need to added factors

I’ll keep it simple vectors and SMG9’s

For SMG

[strong cave]

Vector/SMG-9 are the only good SMGs rn. MP7 got nerfed to the ground after project resolve buffed it. The P90 shoots staples, poor damage and poor mods. Banshee got nerfed as well. Leaves you with just the Vec/SMG-9 due to mods and RPM

[stark flicker]

is 600 rpm not worth running?

[strong cave]

Because we know what's worth the time and what's not

[strong cave]

You'll be lucky to even get a kill before you're shot to death

[stark flicker]

oh damn

[strong cave]

Everything favors decent RPM and decent damage

[onyx sage]

not really, burst matters more in almost every case

you don't reload too many times to care about sustain

[strong cave]

Lemme put it this way: killing enemies quicker is better than taking forever to kill them

[stark flicker]

so a converted smg-9 would be best?

[subtle bluff]

Like I said there is a balance. Burst should be up there on the choices.

[strong cave]

For SMGs, yes

[fading escarp]

hey, i was trying to come up with a build that lets me be invisible from rouge pulse and ppl using heartbreaker sets, whats your take and what would you change?

[subtle bluff]

Both are good. Again depending on your build.

[strong cave]

Okay, as a HEAVY sys Corr user, don't take the damn chest.

Chow, sit this one out dude. I got this

[stark flicker]

bc I don't want to use an exotic esp one that needs the grind like ouroboros and the other vector's deal way less per mag

[subtle bluff]

I was about to say that. LOL 🫣

[stark flicker]

I alr said my build 4pc striker memento and ceska ob chest

[onyx sage]

ouroboros isn't that much better than smg-9 now, you're not missing out on much

[strong cave]

Sys Corr expert here. My verdict: don't take this build

Omg and it's on PC 💀

[fading escarp]

whats wrong with the chest?

[stark flicker]

5 seconds isnt much esp when giving up on the really good chest talents

[strong cave]

It gives you 5s less for the proc. The backpack gives you 100% bonus armor instead of 50%. You only have 1.3m armor. The more frequent armor kits won't save you since you're trading such a good talent like Unbreakable for more armor... Only to proc it more often

The best optimal setup for sys Corr is 4 PC with Armor + CHD, ceska chest with unbreakable, and coyote mask

[stark flicker]

is sys corr even viable in dz?

[strong cave]

Backpack is a must

[fading escarp]

kk, i dont have the backpack yet, the blueprint isnt dropping no matter how many CP's i clear or NPC's i kill in the DZ, can the blueprints even drop anymore since its an old set?

[strong cave]

I'm not sure the backpack has a blueprint

I can check real quick, or try to. Bad Internet rn

[strong cave]

Sys Corr is in a really bad spot meta-wise. It has its uses in face fighting and in groups. As for solo, it's absolutely buns

[onyx sage]

syscor is supposed to have all blueprints dropped by now unless it's bugged

they put the remaining ones for it and striker and some other sets into cp4 pool

[strong cave]

Is what the patch notes say. But idk if they have the backpack as a blueprint at all. Logging in now to verify. I would for sure know since I have 4 differing sys Corr builds across 4 characters

[fading escarp]

so ideally, if i wanted to do a system corruption build, what item pieces should i be aiming for?

i currently only have: Mask, body, holster and gloves

[strong cave]

If even I don't have the blueprint, doubt anyone else does

[strong cave]

Ceska chest w/ Unbreakable, Coyote Mask, rest all sys Corr

All sys pieces need to have armor and crit

You can go HSD and play bighorn. That's been floating around lately

Then in that case ditch ceska chest and take a Belstone chest with Regen and HSD. Swap coyote to catharsis

[fading escarp]

not a big fan of the bighorn...feels kinda off shooting it, but ill keep clearing CP4's to get the backpack

[strong cave]

It's one of those guns you need to use more and more to fall in love with

[fading escarp]

yeah i guess, how would you rate the 2nd build with the yaal gear, thought it was better due to the high hazard resists but now im not sure since it has similar stats to the systemcorr

[strong cave]

Confirmed. I have the backpack blueprint. You'll know you have the bag when I think you get the system overflow blueprint

[strong cave]

Yaahl is still worth it. Basically like a high end build but for pulse res

[fading escarp]

k thx for the info

[strong cave]

I got you 🔥

[onyx sage]

if you still get blueprints dropping from cp4 that means you aren't done farming them. i'd continue until you stop getting them

[strong cave]

Be aware, the gloves/mask/holster drop with a red core. You'll need to roll CHC or chd and roll for armor. I'd recommend going for CHD. If you can get at least 2 rolls of CHD and 1 CHC, that's fine. You can mix mods around to make up crit difference

Treat those sys Corr mats like they're golden tickets to the Willy Wonka factory. It's very hard to come by sys corr without legacy caches or DZ/Conflict caches

[kindred mango]

I really hope the Season X caches come back. That was easy mode for building that set out

[stark flicker]

okay vector's are actually kinda fun to use

I got one from dua with measured and I'm shredding on challenging

[coral reef]

Hold up.... its 25 meters, not 15

[stark flicker]

catalyst mask works best in a backfire build

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

Keep shooting and killing is best

[stark flicker]

backfire gives you self status to proc the talent

[coral reef]

I just saw that vid too, tried it and it sucked

[onyx sage]

yeah no... eventually you'll be immune to the bleed

[stark flicker]

that's bc both are bad

[onyx sage]

if you're at 100 stacks you literally do not cast bleed on yourself anymore

[stark flicker]

you don't have to run max bleed resist

[onyx sage]

no bleed resist needed

it's how the gun works

[subtle bluff]

Someone post my video!

Crap.

[stark flicker]

is it bugged?

[onyx sage]

no, intended

[subtle bluff]

Read the talent again.

[onyx sage]

you only bleed if you increase stacks before reloading

if you're at max...

[stark flicker]

lmao

god why does backfire suck so much they literally removed its only niche

also I could be wrong but I remember once upon a time max stack was 200

[subtle bluff]

200 is the same we could immune ourselves.

Just no one understands or remember TU20 patch notes

[onyx sage]

yeah, just either reach 200 or apply bleed repeatedly to yourself

[stark flicker]

I'm just recently getting back after a long break last I played hornet was the newest manhunt

then when I came back it was week 3 of this season

[onyx sage]

it's a long break but also the game doesn't make everything clear

that's why we're here

[stark flicker]

it sucks backfire got ruined so much I remember when it was considered meta even if just for like a month

[subtle bluff]

I don’t understand your statement

[onyx sage]

it is really good but only for very long fights, remember when you said sustained dps? that's the scenario it's strong in

[stark flicker]

I remember back when backfire was really good and basically mandatory for raids for like a 1 month period bc of the synergy when it first came out

[onyx sage]

no backfire wasn't used in raids at all

[stark flicker]

maybe it was just new season hype idk I wasn't really playing then

[onyx sage]

it's just people experimenting most likely

[solar sable]

I liked backfire waaaay before it became famous

[stark flicker]

I think it's a neat gun and could be legitimately decent if niche if it always applied bleed on reload

4pc od with catalyst could be alr

[subtle bluff]

I still dislike the idea of OD and BF. We do OD because you don’t need stacks

HF and Strikers sure.

[stark flicker]

yeah but od and bf both synergize well with catalyst's talent

[subtle bluff]

But you just do more with other guns

[stark flicker]

that's why I said it'd be niche

for the hypothetical where it always applied bleed on reload a decent (not good or meta) build could be 4pc od with chest bf catalyst and a ceska bp with creeping death

[stark flicker]

that's the measured smg-9 build you posted right?

[subtle bluff]

No

Tac vector 9mm w/killer

[stark flicker]

nice

how much worse is the .45 acp over the tac 9mm?

[subtle bluff]

Less rpm

[stark flicker]

this is what I'm currently running after getting a .45 acp from duahttps://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAzGAMYIxmDeC5wHQHZl2uqshyhAXACwBsx8iKUcE6AnNbuuErHMBE5i0WgkWZFDSRlRaMJnRU2UvAWqCS4ZQiLd8K3auAsN1EOgCsei0IOQcrYDrTpNl4iWDBYUpN0SxQMqHATbAYYEkEXVQjovRIKcMiwmOigA

all those are exact rolls aside from shd levels which are zero'd aside from offensive stats

ik I need a better chest piece

[subtle bluff]

Mobile not opening stuff sorry

[stark flicker]

that's alr

here's the gun stats

I'm working on improving rolls

[subtle bluff]

That’s not a lot

[patent gull]

Need to get gunner, but this is what I have been pretty much been running with

Been working for countdown

[stark flicker]

I've only got 13% on my smg's chc core and only have 4.6% chc on my watch

I don't have the bigger .45 mag yet

[wispy hollow]

Replace backpack with Striker and chest with Ceska Obliterate.
Striker Chest is only good in legendary and incursion

[spiral iron]

Been shopping around for a rifle and/or sniper setup for heroic content. Haven't really seen anything around. Only been playing for a little while but is there a go-to setup I should look at?

[subtle bluff]

Rifles OD
MMR Hotshot

[spiral iron]

Thanks, and use the set chest/BP?

[subtle bluff]

The builds should be in the pinned messages.

Gdoc > Build Hub

[spiral iron]

Okay thanks, will look there.

[velvet spire]

Good build ideas for Bullet King? I'm new, currently I don't have a build I just equip everything with the highest damage increase

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Gdoc > Build Hub

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=sharing

[velvet spire]

Thank you!

Okay so, I knew the pins had a useful build spreadsheet and all that but I never noticed the GDoc here. it's so much easier to understand as a beginner

it seems I need to get the Striker set first and that alone will be a big improvement over my current build

[subtle bluff]

I want to squeeze this guide the pin but I'll put in the gearsheet.

[pallid jackal]

Hello I just hit level 30, what's a good spec to choose for a noob? I'm fairly new to the game

[subtle bluff]

Get 40 first.

Afterwards you can read above-mentioned.

Gunner if nothing

[pallid jackal]

Ok ty

[strong cave]

I mistyped my bad 💀 regardless, it's still not gonna work out decently because you have to leave people alive and status effected to get your stacks up, and then kill them. If you don't, you'll never actually achieve full stacks, making the mask completely useless

Watch these 2 videos and you'll see why it's really bad:

Video 1: Tuxedo Bandito

Video 2: DJ Tickle

Read as well that you're attempting to use backfire to force yourself to get stacks by Bleeding yourself. Bad idea. Taking loads of damage from different sources, like BF bleed/enemies/potential hazards (barrels, gas cans, etc) is just a recipe for unaliving yourself quicker

If anything needs to be done to the mask, they need to remove the distance limitation to the mask. Then, with a gun like iron lung, it would work perfectly. Especially on OD setups. Right now, it slots in best as status counters in PvP

[tropic solar]

FYI you have to unlock gunner through staged quests. Pick something else in the meantime so you can still earn points for a spec

[velvet spire]

Okay so, I got all striker battleset gear pieces but none of them have any CHC or CHD. They have other attributes like weapon damage and skill haste. Do I need to keep grinding until I get chc and chd attributes? Is that how it works, every drop can have a random attribute?

[patent fossil]

The core attribute (weapon damage/skill tier/armour) is fixed depending on the gearset/brand, the minor attributes are random but weighted towards being the same colour as the core

For a standard striker build you'd want all red cores, and striker always drops with red cores, so that's easy. You can recalibrate the minor stats to crit once you've got those in your library.

You can only recalibrate one stat slot per item though

[velvet spire]

thank you! I got it

this was my first time tinkering with an item, I understand how it works now

[coral reef]

Yeah I tried it last night. It was exactly like you guys said. It needs like a buff or something, I couldnt even get the extra armor or reload increase to proc Sounded so good on paper

[velvet spire]

Got the Striker battleset. Which set should I go for next?

looking for a general all around build, high damage output stuff. easy for beginners

[patent fossil]

Ongoing directive and negotiators are both strong mid range dps sets similar to striker. Hunters fury for short range and hotshot for sniping are good options too

[strong cave]

That's because Catalyst is what we call "a gimmicky exotic". It SOUNDS good on paper (cough cough, Ninjabike Backpack unlocking bonuses) but in actual use case, it's straight up cheeks

[hexed steppe]

Not another gimmick 😲

[strong cave]

If I were you I'd hold onto the mask anyways, because there's always a chance the devs might (might being the keyword for being purely a pipe dream) tweak it to make it better. The distance limitations is what makes it suck so bad

If there was no distance limits, I can see Bluescreen + Catalyst builds being frequent with OD builds

[hexed steppe]

How am I supposed to make od or ep good now?!

[strong cave]

By taking lady death for super sanic speed

Fast AF boiiii

[hexed steppe]

Knew I was missing something.

-# I'll see myself out 🤦‍♂️

[strong cave]

😂😂😂

[meager fog]

Hotshot Is probably the most noob friendly build there is.

Pop one head and enjoy one shottng everything else.....forever

[velvet spire]

I see. Gonna be the next build then

[velvet spire]

I can't say I know what all of those words mean but I'll look them up haha, thank you!

thank you, I'll save this in my notes

[slate wedge]

did the IWI NEGEV get an rpm nerf?

[brazen slate]

What are some different ways I could run this centurion opportunistic

[stark dawn]

Backfire, strictly speaking, is suitable for the Fieser forge in certain strategies. In this game you surprisingly will not bleed when you are taking heat damage. Such a build can make certain faster water strategies viable, because combining resistance and armor regen you can survive around 6 min, and still breaking the backpack yourself at full (Backfire) stack. Apart from myself, I have seen from video evidence that groups ran it pre Negotiator’s.

[subtle bluff]

In normal strats BF is not used. Yes it can be used but it is not needed is the point.

[stark dawn]

It’s not anymore. Negotiator’s did not start to proliferate a couple of years into the game (year 3?). I think the story would have been different if the developers really nerfed Negotiator’s (which did not happen in the end).

[subtle bluff]

Um. It's not normal to use nor is BF needed in any raids. Why is this being brought back even. Why even am I repeating myself...

[stark dawn]

Well, the initial statement I replied to was past tense and not “needed”, but “wasn’t used” – which is not true. See above if did not read properly.

[stark dawn]

👆

[subtle bluff]

Still shouldn't be used.

You're trying to correct for 1% of players where the general strat is not to use it.

What's the point?

It's giving misinfo out now. Stop.

[stark dawn]

Then stop making blanket statement, particularly about years and strategies you are not familiar with.

[subtle bluff]

It's like telling the general players yes use speed builds without knowing how to do it.

[subtle bluff]

0.o I am stating like we mostly try to do is to keep it simple for general public.

[vestal ibex]

idk bro said BF is suitable for Fieser in certain strategies that's enough for me to go wtf is man on about. Was it used at some point? idk have you seen some of the junk that's gotten use in raids? I don't think it matters. Tis a strange hill to be upon.

[kindred mango]

My old clan used to use Aces and Nemesis out Razorback weakpoints heh

[onyx sage]

yeah idk what he's on about, the end goal is telling people good advice for the now, backfire being used back then is as relevant as skill builds being used, both are equally irrelevant in the now

they may be true, but it's useless info

[stark dawn]

👆 See here how even the question you responded to was about the past.

[onyx sage]

"mandatory for raids" is the thing being responded to here

you're picking a battle no one is fighting

[stark flicker]

I was talking ages ago when there was a buncha hype bc backfire was the new gun and it hadn't settled into the meta yet like way back in season 3

I never argued backfire is good now it's a very niche weapon in the current meta

tbh it was probably xbox gatekeeping the new "op" gun

[stark dawn]

Yes, the key is ages ago. I think in the end only the use for tank survived the initial hype, depending on the symbol/boxes speed (because to survive with Ravenous the group needs to be quite fast). Then Negotiator’s took over.

[eager viper]

Man I think I found my new fav build. OD, centurion holster and busy bee pistol.

[meager fog]

Everything is niche if nobody uses it.

[thorny solstice]

Assuming that swapping from pistol to main weapon activates Centurions talent ? If so, then its perfect synergy!

[eager viper]

it does. mark with pistol, shoot swap, fun

[coral reef]

Sounds great, can you elaborate on the build please? Give us details, I wanna make it

[eager viper]

4pc OD, centurion holster, BP with wicked, busy bee pistol. weapon with sadist. mark with pistol. switch to main weapons, and swap to use holster talents.

pretty much the jist of it

[subtle bluff]

The older way we did this was DCH and Orbit on any DPS build.

DCH Delete someone get all the CHC/CHD and go ham

[wispy hollow]

This Lengmo RNG is killing me. For the time being, till I get a better piece, should I reroll Skill Damage to Crit Damage or the armor to WD ?

[coral reef]

Hello friends, the Lengmo build for Pestilence, can also work with Bluescreen right? What is the best possible attribute for the Bluescreen in this scenario?

[wispy hollow]

The Lengmo build for Pestilence is to maximize the Pestilence tick damage. While Bluescreen can be used, it wont have the same effect.
Bluescreen is better used with OD

[worn mango]

It's better to use a Perfect Glass chest and use Lengmo bag, gloves and holster, Foxes knees and Coyote's if you want the next best thing with double crit. Then you can work towards the unicorn lengmo chest

[wispy hollow]

Cant give up Contractors gloves for a Lengmo piece. I think i'll just reroll armor to WD and roll with skill damage for the time being.

[worn mango]

You can in this case. It's the 2nd best thing you can do. iKia has a build showcase on it where he demonstrates the stat differences

Oh wait, I might have messed it up

Contractors is used in all of them, it's lengmo knees, that's my bad

[wispy hollow]

So Coyote, Lengmo (named bp, knee, holster), Sacrifice, contarctor ?

[subtle bluff]

Keep that go double Crit and use that.

[worn mango]

Correct

[wispy hollow]

Thank you both @worn mango & @subtle bluff

[worn mango]

That double crit glass chest is gonna be a nuicance, I've seen it already lol

[subtle bluff]

It's what I use.

[coral reef]

Im so close to the build, just that elusive unicorn

[subtle bluff]

I'm acutally missing double CHC mask and ya Chest unicorn.

[coral reef]

Got these two for now

I dont like glass cannon btw thats for pro players

[subtle bluff]

I get it. I actually have the unicorn for obil. Just GC is really good

[worn mango]

The thing with Pesti using glass is that you can stay more passive as the ticks are doing so much damage and the amp from glass is crazy for it

You build enough pesti stacks and things just melt

[coral reef]

How big stack damage are we talking about? I get like 1.6 mil without it

[subtle bluff]

I get one 1.6m without foxes

[atomic bobcat]

is there a current spreadsheet about all the gear and brand sets?

im looking to make a eclipse protocol build

[solar sable]

there is an EP build in the Spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc

[atomic bobcat]

thank you both

[hollow anchor]

been gone for a long time is Striker's still the meta dps set for basically everything

[versed summit]

Yep

[hollow anchor]

Well have the off meta sets been buffed to be at least less behind it than before? Stuff like Umbra Initiative, Ongoing Directive, or the sniper sets

[onyx sage]

ongoing yes

[hollow anchor]

Also somewhat related question are skill builds still garbage in endgame

Outside of healers obviously

[versed summit]

Umbra, OD and Heartbreaker were buffed alongside a slight striker nerf to make them closer options.

If you’re just doing heroic content you can really use any of those. It’s just legendary and harder content where you’d still want to lean on strikers.

Sniper builds are a completely different wheelhouse. Those are strong and always have been, just not as versatile

[versed summit]

Crowd control is still a tier in the form of eclipse.

For turret drone builds, refactor was added allowing you to heal your team while dealing damage, but it doesn’t really fix the main problem with that build in groups.

[hollow anchor]

Yeah I more meant using skills to deal damage with the turrets/drones. Guess those still don't do good damage then

[versed summit]

I mean I’d say for the effort invested they’re balanced

[meager fog]

I mean HH is amongst the strongest builds since determined never turns off and you just one pop everything

[hollow anchor]

Wow they never nerfed that? Okay

[meager fog]

They did....and then immediately reverted it I believe since everyone complained lol

[onyx sage]

it's definitely not on the top of their priorities

[hollow anchor]

But I remember sniper builds not actually using A&8 or Hotshot's 4 piece set do they still not do that

[onyx sage]

they do use hotshot

[meager fog]

Hot shot is used

[onyx sage]

some use 3p, some use 4p

aces is like never used tho

[meager fog]

The bonus armour is actually a really nice cushion

And easy to keep stacks going because determined is broken

[hollow anchor]

Yeah I'm using Dread Edict. It's a bit more stimulating than unga bunga determined

[onyx sage]

i'm a mantis lover

[meager fog]

I got White Death with Dttooc the other day....was an instant game changer 🤣

[hollow anchor]

What'd they do to buff OD btw

[meager fog]

Autoloading hollow point ammo, instead of picking it up.

The HP ammo damage was buffed to 50% from 20

Increased reload speed to 30%

[onyx sage]

they buffed sadist and the chest

chest brings the bonus for self from 20% to 50%

[hollow anchor]

oh that's actually quite good

[onyx sage]

it sure is, sadist getting buffed from 15% to 30% amp is also tied to it

[hollow anchor]

My hiatus wasn't that long. I stopped playing during the season that introduced the Exuro set

[subtle bluff]

You haven't missed too much builds wise

[hollow anchor]

Damn new sets aren't any good huh?

No funky new build enabling exotic in the previous seasons?

[subtle bluff]

exo gloves is probably the best thing to come out since it all.

Refactor is updated Turret/Drone build that heal the team for Skill Dmg

That's about it

[hollow anchor]

And yet it's blue which would imply it's a "tank" set despite being a healer set

A healer set that relies on skill damage no less

They just...making it harder to roll a good one on purpose or what

[subtle bluff]

Yea it's weird

It's because I think it's the BP that's bonus armor

[patent fossil]

It's only half blue, like System Corruption

[hollow anchor]

That's gross and weird and I want no association with it

[versed summit]

tbf, if you were one of the 3 people using a regen skill damage turret drone build, Refactor very much replaced that.

[hollow anchor]

I did use cluster seeker+mortar turret with hard wired once upon a time

That was my first summit run before I knew about the hunters at the peak

[coral reef]

Just built the "Bluescreen + Negotiators Dilemma" thing sugested in the Holy Scriptures. Holy shit. This is the most efficient build in the entire game! (never tried ND before). Why is this not the meta?

"but single target bosses"... brother, Bluescreen has 200 bullets and reloads like an AR. Just shoot them until they're dead™

[shy willow]

Efficiency is key for raids and incursions so

[coral reef]

ok, maybe on the raid and incursion bosses it's better to have another build. That's it! This build is bananas

[shy willow]

Yeah ND is pretty great

[coral reef]

And I read that it actually works for the Boomer boss in Dark Hours Raid, even when he's invincible, if he's tagged by ND and you're killing ads, he gets the all the damage from your crit damage hits on ads

[atomic fog]

what resource is it usually? cuz i checked and nothings seems full to me

im not decon any exotics even

[shy willow]

Yeeee

Nego transfer works on most bosses but some have mechanics that softlock you if you kill them too early

[coral reef]

Deconstruct, see what excess material remains on the floor that you can't pick up. That's the one

[atomic fog]

i've done it other times b4 but nothing drops

just a bug then?

[stuck berry]

Hotshot build. I feel like it doesn’t hit as hard as I see on YouTube. I only reach 19-20M per shot at max headhunter.

[shy willow]

Cuz you have bloodsucker on your bag

Standard is vigilance

That and to minmax you want airaldi instead of providence

[stuck berry]

Ah, gotcha. Thank you!

What about sniper rifles, though? Would you rather have me use The White Death with everything maxed out but no DTTOOC, or a standard M44 Carbine with everything maxed + DTTOOC?

Dunno if the extra 26% HSD will help me or not…

[shy willow]

Depends how much you care about first shot damage

Idk what the difference is in base damage between the carbine and white death actually

But probably better off with the dttooc

[stuck berry]

Not much of a difference

[shy willow]

Ought to farm a white death with dttooc sometime though

[faint dagger]

Any chatterbox PvP build viable?

[steel grove]

chatterbox striker melts in pvp

[faint dagger]

You got any visual?

[steel grove]

give me a minute dont have a screen and not playing atm

[hazy steeple]

Make sure you post it down in #td2-pvp-discussions instead, that'll get you a better focus of discussion.

[faint dagger]

Ty boss

[hazy steeple]

Most (99%) of posts in here are PvE related.

[faint dagger]

Oh

[undone vault]

i just finished all the journey mission and got st elmo engine , pestilence , chameleon , backfire , and got the coyote's mask . ninja backpack whats the best build i could do with these to solo heroic/legen content

[subtle bluff]

Simple answer Striler

NBB is a noob trap

[undone vault]

and i got the bighorn too

[hazy steeple]

Make sure you keep a copy of all those Exotics, just in case.
but the incredibly short answer is: throw Coyotes and Elmo on, 4pcs of Striker, and a Ceska chest.
boom, insta meta-dps set, just add a stacking gun for your secondary, and play to its strengths.

There's a full guide in the 📌 pinned-message of this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds.

[undone vault]

can i reach floor 100 heroic/ legen on summit with this ?

[hazy steeple]

Legendary is a bit of a different thing, but it'll certainly carry you through Heroic content with some practice.

[coral reef]

Shame on you guys still recommending Elmo Striker

So many beautiful builds and sinergies on this game

[hazy steeple]

Hah, sinergies. I get it.

[light grove]

Watch out, he’s going on a Tangent!

[coral reef]

He can kick ass in heroic with a smg hunters fury, lmg nego dilemma, etc etc

[patent fossil]

It's easy and effective. Being popular doesn't diminish that in any way.

[light grove]

True. But.. it’s definitely a quick and easy that can still works.

[hazy steeple]

@coral reef The question was related to those specific Exotics.
If you want to suggest random other builds, no one is stopping you.

[subtle bluff]

Because it works.

[hot trellis]

Best build with memento

Thanks in advance

[hexed steppe]

heartbreaker or hunters fury

both in the sheet

memento can go on anything but i think those utilize it the best and neither loses much damage using it

[subtle bluff]

No best. Just works welll with a lot of things

[shy willow]

The fact that you can throw memento onto basically anything

[smoky moss]

IMO any run and gun build really that puts you into the action so when you kill you are picking up trophies basically immediately. This basically not only gives you more damage on every pick up, it stacks your bonus armor too. That's why it's very popular with HF and HB. They are the kind of in your face builds.

I run memento on my striker too unless I run legendaries. The builds where you are killing enemies from afar is not ideal for memento as you will have to run out to pick up trophies so it's harder to fill it up, though some skill builds I've seen to use it because it's skill efficiency is wild when you cap it, then you just need 1 trophy within 5 mins.

[kindred mango]

Yeah. A good tip is to leave some trophies on the ground when maxed so you can come back and reset the timer if need be

[hollow anchor]

What's the go-to gun for applying statuses for OD

[patent fossil]

I generally run sadist on my guns (Carnage and a decent AR), and get that initial status proc from a skill or grenade

eg foam, banshee pulse, emp sticky, etc

as a general rule the OD talent continually refreshes itself so it's only at the start of a session that you actually need to find another way to apply a status

[smoky moss]

^ this is it.. OD all the way.. Foam + (weapon of your choice AR/Rifle/SMG) + Carnage = beautiful annihilation

[hollow anchor]

I'm gonna use iron lung because it's a nifty gun

[hot trellis]

I’m currently running hf with memento chatterbox and lefty(might change shotguns tho)

[smoky moss]

chatterbox is one of my fav guns so no complaint there 🙂

[hot trellis]

I’m definitely more of an up in your face kinda player I use the shield and the drone that shields so I can stay in action a lil longer if I cant get to my pick ups right away

[smoky moss]

yeah Chatterbox + HF + Memento works awesome for that type of playstyle. I am like that too (I don't use drones just because any disruption immediately ends that skill) but overall yeah.. good choices

[hot trellis]

Chatterbox is one of my favorites other being scorpion

[hot trellis]

Any recommendations for the replacement of the drone completely open to advice I’ve tried to play this game over the years and just couldn’t really understand how the builds work(I used to play destiny) which is so simple to make god level builds

[subtle bluff]

There’s a bunch of builds in the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub

[hot trellis]

😭 I looked at that is was so confusing to me

[patent fossil]

iron lung is a great gun and does effectively work to start the OD chain, but you are sacrificing a pretty hefty damage amp by not using sadist/ perfect sadist

[subtle bluff]

Which drone and why?

[smoky moss]

I'll tell you a bit of a backstory on my Div 2 experience. I played Destiny for 9 years. Div 2 was by leaps and bounds better experience when it comes to builds and similar. When I was starting out I was all reviver and shield. But now after also playing HC as well, HC teaches you to be an overall a better player (positioning, awareness etc).. so now I usually run additional CC if I can or EMP sticky or something that's useful against larger enemies/hunters/rogues etc.. I still use the shield becuase it's just too good but other stuff I just swap from.

For pure run and gun style you do want reviver if you are constantly going to be in their face but in general it's more about positioning, knowing spawns, being aware of how enemies react and be always near covers when you blast.

[hot trellis]

Hmmm I see will try that out use to run reviver with my friend when I also had a scorpion build but my game wiped and I lost all the builds he helped me with

[smoky moss]

as @patent fossil says.. 35% amplified damage from Perfect Sadist is A LOT of damage. It's a multiplicative bucket on it's own so you are losing a lot of damage when not using Sadist/Perfect Sadist on OD builds.

[meager fog]

Not only can you reach it, you can complete it. It's the basic DPS build

[hollow anchor]

Well I have an AK-M with Sadist

Guess I need to find more guns that I can slap Sadist on for the sake of variety. Luckily already have Carnage

[patent fossil]

Works best with large-mag-damage weapons - so not something like a vector that empties really quickly. Carbine 7 isn't the worst choice, rifles work well too, shotguns etc.

[hexed steppe]

I run carnage like already mentioned and bluescreen. OD's ammo mechanic means you'll never run out even when running same gun type. Banshee and emp sticky for cold od procs. Gunner mag on carnage.

[hollow anchor]

Not playing survivalist for even more damage into status'd enemies?

[patent fossil]

I run survivalist, crossbow also helps against dogs and heavies that might otherwise drain a lot of your special ammo

[silk wadi]

Hey I got a few questions regarding builds for the incursion.
Didn't do a run in about a year and I'm curious what's the "meta" now.
Especially for wright and lovebirds.
I used bloody knuckles, lefty, six12 and sometimes busy little bee)
But six12 and the sledgehammer talent got nerfed.
Oxidizer and the FI build is probably the same I guess

[hexed steppe]

That's not a boost for you, but a boost for your team.

And idgaf about the team, they get that 20% amp and better be happy about it /s

[hollow anchor]

hey they matter that's why my FI build that uses skill damage nodes is called "bad teammates"

[hexed steppe]

Should just refactor at that point probably

[wicked igloo]

I just got back into the game, what is a good overal dps build to focus on getting?

[hexed steppe]

Striker is gonna be easiest to farm and use

Ceska obliterate chest, coyote mask, 4pc striker is the basic goto

[hollow anchor]

UI could be arguably easier because of the regen and not needing to build stacks i guess

But Strikers sure is universal. Hard to compete with "You do more damage when you do damage"

[hexed steppe]

Other than the forced cover usage

[wicked igloo]

Are they easy to get? Cause i barely find games for ex: countdown, summit

[hexed steppe]

Countdown challenging should be quick matchmaking

But yes, it's a pretty easy farm

[wicked igloo]

Im located in europe though, does it make any difference?

[hexed steppe]

Plenty of europe players

Should be good.

[wicked igloo]

Thanks!

[meager fog]

Strikers DPS or Headhunter.

Two of the easiest builds to play. Strikers is more aggressive but squishy

Headhunter is just sit back, relax, one shot everything

[patent fossil]

I'm not an expert but from what I've seen backfire is the new meta for wright and lovebirds. Pretty sure the sledgehammer nerf got reverted so it's still good to use

No need to run hazpro for backfire, it got a buff and also only bleeds on new stacks, so if you keep them at max you're all good

[silk wadi]

Thank you!
Perfect Sledgehammer was 40% more damage to armor. Now its 20%.
I guess we stick with bloody knuckles or is Centurions Stabbard a thing now? I mean we do lose 12% crit damage and 5% WD but 20% additional ROF seems strong too

[patent fossil]

Eh, I suspect it's still bloody knuckles, centurions would force you to drop your backfire stacks

[silk wadi]

That makes sense. Thank you again :)

[patent fossil]

If you see mrchow or souless or averageplayer about, they'll have the actual expert knowledge

[subtle bluff]

You could of asked us in my server bud. Hehe. Let me reread everything.

[silk wadi]

I know but there's more people here xD

[subtle bluff]

Sledge only got a % nerf it works on the team. They only put it in the Dev Patch notes for TU22.

The meta for DPS is Backfire just keep shooting killing things Gunner if you’re worried about the Bleed but the bleed should go away from either reloading 3 times and getting 3 bleeds to immune yourself or hitting 100 stacks and it doesn’t bleed you anymore.

BK is still BiS for Boss fights.

[silk wadi]

Thats good to know! When it comes to stacking, just like before or do I just stack 100 with lefty and the other 100 with backfire? Or striker to 200 and then backfire?

[subtle bluff]

Normal stacking with RnR, ACS12 or Lefty. It’s w/e is best for you. There’s no really wrong answer here, dump the drum into someone and yea move on.

[silk wadi]

One last question about the gear. When I use knuckles: fox prayers, groupo or sokolov with the backfire?

Ceska seems like an overkill

[hoary valve]

playing with a beginner in the game what dps build should i make them run?

[silk wadi]

4 piece striker, ceska chest with obliterate and coyote's mask is easy to get and very strong. More crit hit chance on the striker pieces in the beginning bc of the missing mods/shd watch points

[subtle bluff]

Fox’s works there’s no wrong answer here you’re gonna be doing so much dmg anyways. I do eagle’s gasp when not using BK and Fox’s.

[silk wadi]

Thank you!

[glad schooner]

Does gear builds matter in the campaign?

[subtle bluff]

Gear does not matter till you hit 40

[solar sable]

Builds don't matter before lvl40 if that's part of your concern

[glad schooner]

I’m at level 40, and still muddling through this I don’t really understand the builds and talents?

[subtle bluff]

The basics are in the guide I posted. More in depth stuff will be in the pinned messages

[glad schooner]

I see that there now, I’ll have a look in the morning

Cheers

[worn isle]

whats the difference between -weapon damage and +total weapon damage? (talents like measured?)

if I had 6 weapon cores and a 10% for 200% damage, -25% weapon damage would put me to 175%? so would only be a 12.5% total damage nerf?

[onyx sage]

yes

[cinder wedge]

what determines damage? i thought someone here once said the damage of your gun doesn't mean much and i was kinda confused sry if this is the wrong chat for this

[subtle bluff]

This isn't complete but also I'm mobile and cannot explain it. Yes and no it matter.
The way we generally measure dmg is dps.

[cinder wedge]

ok thanks

[echo cradle]

Just need to know if this skill build is good.

its a skill build that i made because i was bored

[scenic briar]

Waveform is a waste if you're running shield, better to replace it with a third piece of Empress

and one of the cores can be rerolled since you already get one from technician

actually BTSU gloves would be good if you insist on using the stinger hive as your only offensive skill

[echo cradle]

alright. got it. change it later

[short bone]

you can use waveform with refactor

[subtle bluff]

Waveform is not BiS for skill builds

[fair dragon]

Or hybrids, even

[wispy barn]

guys can FM build with mortars during the incursion ?

[versed flame]

Are you looking for a build?mortar

[storm walrus]

Hi, lvl 100 just finished my fist build now i con do heroic easily, i now want a tank or support build, can you give me advice ? Bullwark set with memento ? should i go pure tank ? hybrid ? i play with 2 mates, one is beginner and the other is 1k lvl

[silk wadi]

I would recommend Future Initiative with BTSU Gloves, The Setup Backpack and Lefty/Scorpio for weapons. Its basically a healer that provides a massve damage boost for its party

[storm walrus]

thank for the advice, do you play it whith shield like crusader or striker firewall ?

[silk wadi]

It actually depends on the backpack. The Setup comes with a blue core. If you have like repair skills and skill haste on it you could reroll the armor core and then play as survivalist for 15% more healing, protection from elites etc. If you have to recalibrate one of the minor attributes and you cant recalibrate the core then you would play as technician for 10% healing and the faraday field

[storm walrus]

i am maybe wrong but it is a healer build ? you are not to squishy was looking for more tankyness

[silk wadi]

Yes like I said its a healer that gives a damage boost to its party

You would play more defensive because you need full armor to provide that 25% damage buff. With your shotgun you apply a 15% incoming damage debuff onto the enemy thanks to the backpack talent

but thats not a problem because you are sitting on your hive more or less. You can also overcharge to give your group their skills back that are on cooldown

[storm walrus]

ok, i will look into it thank you for the advice

[wispy barn]

can we counter mortar with FM build ?

[versed flame]

And I understood your question, well, I won't say here-I don't know much about PVP.

[slate wedge]

what is FM build?

[terse raft]

Would provocator be a good piece to run in pvp (DZ) in an armor regen build?

[wispy barn]

measured assembly ( it was final measure in d1 )

it should have counter motars while entering the hive with a cooldown. I tried using this in incursion no effect though

[slate wedge]

oh i see

measured assembly doesn’t take out the PvE enemy mortars

only takes out the shd skill artillery turret

[slate wedge]

nope, the piece is really weak overall

[terse raft]

Hm I’m just trying to come up with my own build instead of watching videos and copy pasting, I recently got it and it seemed like it would be a good talent. Trying to find a good exotic piece of armor that’s not catharsis

[wispy barn]

4 pieces bonus is specific about mortars though

[slate wedge]

artillery turret is the mortar mentioned, just worded weirddly as always in TD2

[slate wedge]

tbh you are only weakening yourself if you try to be different

can’t recommend provocator in good conscience

[hexed steppe]

Not sure why this was ratio'd but it's not in bad shape. Use demo, swap shield to mortar.
As mentioned you can swap in a piece of empress on waveform but it isnt necessary if you have 2 damage skills.
Talents are both solid. Bag talent (perf combined arms) works well for burst damage like stingerhive and mortar

[echo cradle]

gotcha, thanks mate.

so just change signature weapon to grenade launcher then switch shield to mortar?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[echo cradle]

and thats all?

[urban palm]

anyone running the backfire blue striker

hazpro really needed? I dont feel the bleed much

[hexed steppe]

This is how I run it, but with some unicorns.

[echo cradle]

you use the mop?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, the dta from it applies to mortar and stinger (same as the dta from cap)

[echo cradle]

ah ok.

but for my build. just change to grenade and switch shield?

[hexed steppe]

When you are not stacked with cap a single tap from mop gives that 30%. You can also do that tap while mortar is in air and itll proc perfect combined arms right before mortar hits target

[novel ember]

guys whats the best place to find black tusk ??

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, you arent far of a pretty solid mortar/stinger setup

[hexed steppe]

Tidal basin and surrounding area.

[echo cradle]

so my build is ok.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah with some tweaks its gonna be effective

[echo cradle]

alright.

[hexed steppe]

Do a range check on the damage when you are set and all stacked up.

I know with what I posted I can hit 10mil on mortar with cap stacked,
If I'm btsu overcharged itll hit for around 13mil.
This is including expertise upgrades tho.
I can see your setup hitting in the 7mil range

you might recalibrate some of the crit rolls to haste. if you have a shorter cooldown on skills it may not be necessary tho. its gonna be preference at that point

[novel ember]

mate no one here

[lone wadi]

invaded dz

[hexed steppe]

do you just need black tusk, or specific activities?

[lone wadi]

nah you dont, best all reds, even more so if you use momento

[quartz ermine]

no need for hazpro, memento will give you 3% armor regen for 5 min

[forest trail]

guys name a build for me to do

[forest trail]

after 3rd reload the bleed bugs out anyway and you dont take dmg

[hexed steppe]

syscor

[forest trail]

mehh to hard to farm in dz

[novel ember]

this with or without mode?

[novel ember]

are you sure

[lone wadi]

?

fym am i sure

[quartz ermine]

with

[silk wadi]

Memento gives you 3% armor regen with 30 trophies collected without any modifiers being active

After getting hit with the same status effect 3 times you will become immune for a bit. Thats not a bug. Status effects are the same on enemies

[hexed steppe]

youve always been able to be immune from backfire when your stacks dont change between reloads.. its just more well known now because the buff makes it easier to get/maintain max stacks

[hearty owl]

You’re talking about different things

Druck is referring to the status effects change that they made a year ago more or less

It is a bug as they said in the patch notes that it would ONLY affect PvP

[calm portal]

Any ez pvp builds for a begginner (in pvp)? Looking to farm dzs

[solar sable]

there's a pvp guide in the pinned Spreadsheet tho

[faint dagger]

Anyone could send me a healer build by any chance ?

[hexed steppe]

this is a standard setup

its in the pinned sheet

📌

[faint dagger]

Ty

[grizzled garnet]

Yee haw 1986 determined

[grizzled garnet]

Is alps not better bc of the set bonus? Or there mitigating returns

[forest trail]

i had a random 1886 laying around and i did that earlier lmao

[novel ember]

nothing man

this is weird i faced them many times on nw cps no one of them now

they should respawn in specific area

[hexed steppe]

its not needed. heals are already crazy strong

[lone wadi]

it tells you when an activity is black tusk,

[glad lake]

can anyone know how can i get centurion scabbard i dont have game ppass

[subtle bluff]

Target loot it.

The rest is rng

[glad lake]

possible if i dont have the game pass /

[glad lake]

i did tried but still didnt find one

[subtle bluff]

RNG

[tired falcon]

not really, the bleed effect got nerfed a while ago so hazpro is not necessary. The bleed effect only kicks in while backfire is not at max stacks and you reload.
Since it's easy to max out the stacks fast in max 2 reloads, the net self bleed dmg is barely noticeable.
You can mitigate what little bleed dmg there is by using palaside gear item for armor on kill.
Catharsis with paliside vest and striker works very well with backfire, no hazpro

[hexed steppe]

anywhere around the invaded missions has potential to have black tusk activities. you can also look for black tusk bounties... if you see any activities that arent connected to a controlpoint, theyre probably black tusk. this convo should move over to #ask-td2-community moving forward...

[slim lantern]

So I got my ongoing directive build done but what would be the best weapon to use I know probably lmg but which 1 I'm thinking carnage and something else maybe pestilence or blue screen what in yhalls opnion would pair well with Carnage

FYI not uroborous don't have that yet or backfire lols

There's so many great mask to use aswell idk which one would be better

[hexed steppe]

carnage is kinda perfect for OD your secondary is gonna be preference. i use bluescreen, but i know others use rifles or ar as secondary

just go coyote. build it like a standard dps

[slim lantern]

I know coyote really good for group but what about solo

[hexed steppe]

could just go grupo , assuming your off piece is ceska

[slim lantern]

Where would the ofpiece be backpack or somewhere else

[hexed steppe]

Backpack should be ceska wicked, vigilance, or unstoppable force

[slim lantern]

Ok

What would be more recommended for a low shd level I'm only 310

Talent wise

[hexed steppe]

This is how I run it always.

If I'm solo I swap to striker or nego since team buff isnt needed

[slim lantern]

😂 definitely way better ty soory if I'm frustrating u

[hexed steppe]

No you're good

[slim lantern]

Ok so grupo mask for solo and coyotes for group

[hexed steppe]

Itll be preference both are good. I would test to see which has better results since coyote is range specific

[slim lantern]

Yea ok ty

[glad lake]

thanks man finnally got one iii thaught iits related to game ass of season 1

[slim lantern]

I was thinking of going for this using memento for solo and coyotes for group switching the backpack for a 4 piece OD

I'm using contractors for that 10% LMG Damage

[subtle bluff]

You can. If you want. The LMG dmg isn't as powerful and coyotes for peak dps.

The point of OD build is that it doesn't require any stack building.

It's powerful once you get your HP rounds going.

[grizzled garnet]

Uhhhh. Determined hh pistol hf with shotty?

[rapid wave]

Doing a heartbreaker build. Would the closer chest be better than the gear set peice?

[wispy hollow]

I am gonna consider this the optimal piece and make peace with it. Farming this unicorn is doing my head in.

[subtle bluff]

Works well enough CHC is what’s really need. Red core it and use it on the pesti build

[rapid wave]

Super helpful thanks

[wispy hollow]

Thought so. Thank you for the help thus far.

[patent gull]

What’s a somewhat good hunters fury build for heroic gameplay loop?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned messages

[faint dagger]

whats the best way to optain a catharsis

[tired falcon]

countdown or summit with mask as loot target, and buy exotic caches

[subtle bluff]

You cannot target loot Catharsis. Only from caches at first till you have it in your General Loot.

[tired falcon]

not sure about that, I got my first catharsis as random drop

[subtle bluff]

It's just not targetable. It can drop but not because of targetting it

It's old and weird and it just hasn't changed.

[tired falcon]

lol well that's what loot target mask means....you can't loot target coyote for example, but since it's a mask you loot target mask in summit or countdown.
You misread things in weird ways, I never said loot target the mask or that mask

[subtle bluff]

Maybe I'm Englishing wrong or confused.
You cannot target loot Mask to get Catharsis. Catharsis can still drop but it wasn't from you targetting mask.

[meager fog]

Nope, you were perfectly clear.

In just the same way that Big Horn can drop with AR targetted loot, but it had nothing to do with you targetting it.

[tired falcon]

ah ok so that's what he meant

[subtle bluff]

Sorry sometimes. I want to explain things too quickly and then my English for that is not done too well sometimes. bilingual hurts me

[solar sable]

wasn't Bighorn not affected by TL?

[meager fog]

That's what I said.

Targetting AR does nothing to affect Big Horn dropping.

Same as targetting masks does nothing to help get Catharsis

[solar sable]

my brain ain't braining

[tired falcon]

anyone tried chatterbox with umbra?

[faint dagger]

what does LZ mean in gear source ?

[onyx sage]

light zone, basically not dark zone/pvp

[forest trail]

isn't that just weaker than normal hh

[onyx sage]

no, within HF range HHF is stronger

HHF damage per screenshot 💀

[forest trail]

oh wait you said for shotty
yeah that checks out
I have that build anyway lmao

[raven summit]

hey all is custom m44 bad for hotshot or is it okay? its the only good mr that i have besides nemesis

[subtle bluff]

any of the bolt action MMR works

[raven summit]

oh okay thanks

[clever iris]

this may be a dumb question, but as a new/returning player who isnt up on all the new gear/buffs/stats/etc, im gonna ask anyways. just tried a true patriot build with strega as my primary and first thing i did was run countdown to try it out. it was melting, doing 1-2 million damage most of the time. ran a 2nd countdown and was not doing nearly as much damage. any idea what can be causing the drastic difference in damage?

[subtle bluff]

TP (True Patriot) isn't a good gearset.

There are group buffs and CD has there own buffs. Don't forget how strega works

[wooden finch]

countdown/team buffs

[violet juniper]

Countdown has buffs from your teammates and from subverting countermeasures. You'll almost always do more damage in countdown than open world

[scenic briar]

if there was somebody running FI and somebody running OD, those are also substantial buffs to your own damage

[hazy steeple]

Shout-out to a Red FI setup in Countdown, which (as long as you have a couple of people running the usual Strikers), can let them go even mroe full rambo than normal, whilst letting yourself do decent damage.

An actual pure healer setup in Countdown is super not needed.

[faint dagger]

can you loot exotic in challenging, or only in heroic

[hazy steeple]

@faint dagger Either difficulty is fine, but named enemies have a better drop chance for them in Heroic Difficulty.
however: the most important factor for Exotic drops is Directives, the main benefit Countdown has is sheer quantity of loot, plus the free Exo Caches every 2-3 runs.

[faint dagger]

what about summit ?

[hazy steeple]

for countdown: just go for Challenging, you want speed over difficulty.

Summit = Directives.

You should be using a lot of them, bare minimum 6, go as close to 10 as you can whilst remaining fast.

If you want just random Exotics though, Priority Objectives (Escape > top-right menu > tab over to it) is your best bet, but they are 100% random.

[faint dagger]

awesome, thanks

[faint dagger]

can you get contractor glove from target ?

[shy willow]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

Target carries all types of gloves

[hazy steeple]

Deathgrips: "Hola!"

[faint dagger]

do you need to reconfigure an exotic to be able to target it, like catharsis

[subtle bluff]

No just looting it you get it.

If you can buy the blueprint to reconfigure too they can changed it for some of the newer stuff

[faint dagger]

feel impossible to get another one for my byd

bud

[subtle bluff]

RNG is a thing.... 😐

[hot prawn]

Hello! Question, is it better to have a ceska chest because i have a low SHD lvl? I think my damage is low comparing to the ones i see on youtube lol. I deal like 1mil + damage when at 200 striker stacks but when it's not. I deal like 400-600k is that good? Or maybe i'm just comparing myself to high expertise and high shd lvl people

[scenic briar]

Ceska chest is the usual rec regardless of SHD level. the extra stacks of Striker from the chest just aren't as widely useful

[solar sable]

Yes, switch to Ceska, Striker chest is just for Raids where maintaining all 200 stacks is necessary.
Outside of Raids, it's useless and hard to maintain or obtain all stacks in normal content.

[hot prawn]

Ahh, ok ok thanks! Then switch kneepads to striker right?

[solar sable]

Yeah you have to switch to Striker knee pads

I'm using STT if I write incorrectly

[scenic briar]

also, hopefully it goes without saying, but that Ceska chest should have the Obliterate talent

[meager fog]

You need to get Catharsis to drop before you can target it.

Just an FYI.

[meager fog]

Glass Cannon works too if you're brave

[solar sable]

and if you know positioning 😋

[gray radish]

best tanky dps build? i run bluescreen

[tulip charm]

You just run a dps set and add some blues to it

[gray radish]

ouh okayy

[meager fog]

Tanky and DPS don't go together.

You sacrifice one for the other.

[gray radish]

noted

[rich bluff]

What’s the best build for legendary summit/missions

[echo fox]

Solo or team?

[tropic solar]

doing about 24m max with these 2 m700s, i guess thats around avg for a hotshot setup?

[hexed steppe]

yeah pretty close. expertise drives up the damage as well. dont bother with m700 tac. youll get better mods with m700 carbon

model 700 is higher damage but worst qol mods

[echo fox]

"Magazine-based" mmrs, like M700 carbon ~23-25 mil, bolt-action, like M700 and M44 classic should be around 26-28, no expertise.

[tropic solar]

havent had a carbon drop in a long time i think

[tropic solar]

interesting, well then im off a bit. i hear nemesis is ~60m?

[hexed steppe]

its superior. its a common drop, just focus mmr

in any of the hotshot setups, if you can hit 100% stability youll have no scope sway*. carbon can net 70% stability with the muzzle and underbarrel alone

[tropic solar]

does maxing the stab/acc bars mean youre actually at 100%?

[gentle lichen]

is 3 hotshot 2 habs 1 perfect glass the ideal minmaxed sniper?

[echo fox]

Yeah, 53-63 with all red cores, fully charged. You probably don't have all your red cores optimized, but still, 23 mil is more than enough for Heroic.

[hexed steppe]

go by stats screen

[tropic solar]

oh well then its not even close

[hexed steppe]

dont look at the weapon bars

[tropic solar]

so the bars dont mean much? you can overfill them essentially with mods?

[hexed steppe]

just ignore them is all i can say

[tropic solar]

seems to vary a lot, just sitting at max stacks and picking off targets does anywhere between ~19.9 and 25m

[echo fox]

It's good, most named bosses on Heroic have ~17-18 mil HP, so, it's a one-shot still. Even with seasonal HP boost it's, like, 19.5-20 mil tops. Even 1886 ones-hots named guys on Heroic with determined.

[tropic solar]

yeah definitely works nice, one shots everything except tanks. 4 shotting those from max stacks

[lament reef]

using iron lung with strikers/shield/revive, should i swap shield for something else?

[onyx sage]

yes

[echo fox]

Yeap, no head = trouble. MMRs, sadly, are in a bad spot right now, they are outclassed by 1886... You can use shield with 1886, it fires faster, more accurate... But there is one IF, IF that new exotic mask from current climax mission (that allows to have two talents one one gun) will come with red core and will wok properly, then MMRs will become viable for legendary. You'll need Habsburg unicorns for consistency, sure, but still, kind of nice to shift AR meta.

[onyx sage]

MMRs have always been viable in legendary lol, 1886 is just a new thing. it still does less damage but if you don't need the higher damage MMRs can bring then yes use 1886. doesn't mean MMRs are any less viable

you don't need habsburg to make MMRs viable in legendary, people have cleared legendary 4 man with a mix of chainkiller, airaldi and fox before

[subtle bluff]

don't even need fox's. Hotshot is nice don't have to reload

[echo fox]

Dunno, very slow and inconsistent, in my opinion.

[subtle bluff]

If you know what you're doing it's great but it's only good on a team.

[onyx sage]

we've speedrun all the legendaries before 1886 got buffed, MMRs have always been strong, along with regulus and m870 if we're talking about headhunter, 1886 is just nice QoL alongside regulus for fast killing

just because you got used to the killing speed and reload from 1886 doesn't mean the old stuff is outclassed, there are still things like chunga helmet that out of the 2 MMRs would still be best at breaking

if not outright just using m870 to break

[onyx sage]

yeah i just mean there's still a good few combos you can use that don't need habsburg

[subtle bluff]

Chainkiller is still nicer for max HH quicker

[tropic solar]

ok got a dttooc carbon to drop lol, low cores but i guess im good for now

...aaaand a perfect relic, ill take it

[echo fox]

Nothing to do with me, personally. 1886 gets to max accuracy faster, does not jump all over screen after each shot, allows to use shield, fully utilizes FOX's kneepads, and still does more than enough damage even on legendary, which is only 3-4 mill less than MMR.

[onyx sage]

again, you're saying MMR isn't viable when they are, i don't care about 1886's strengths compared to it

keep to the point of contention

[sudden maple]

Hi guys. As far as I can see the is nothing beats the striker build. Can anyone give me a build. LGM/AR BUILD please. I need a second build I've been using striker for a long time.

[hexed steppe]

relic wont work. its only regular determined thats broken strong

[solar sable]

OD, Nego, HE pesti

[tropic solar]

is that english

[meager fog]

Highest i've seen is about 31-32m I think

[meager fog]

Would Determined, with First blood be even more broken? Or would we lose too much damage from using the Tinkerer? Interesting

Aww, first blood is only for MMRs...I thought it was Rifles too...so it won't work 🙁

Could be interesting on an 1886 determined build though perhaps

[echo fox]

Get yourself Ongoing Directive, Carnage is a named LMG, works well with it. Useful for group play. Bluescreen exotic LMG works really nice with Negotiators Dilemma build. Hard-hitting, but slow-firing ARs can be used with Umbra Initiative.

[meager fog]

Headhunter build

One shots most things...game on easy mode

[echo fox]

Well, technically, Diamondback is 1886 + First blood. But, with some extra steps.

[meager fog]

The idea was there would be no initial stacking of determined because even the first shot would be a guaranteed HS

So if your primary was an MMR with First blood, secondary was 1886 with determined. Effectively you could one shot from the first hit, without having to find the kill first

[echo fox]

Aaah, I see. I just thought that HSD and CHD occupying the same damage niche would do the similar.

[wicked igloo]

Just got back into the game, got a st elmo yesterday. But im not sure what gear i should go for now, i mainly do summit as i cant find any groups for countdown

[tropic solar]

plenty of people running challenging countdown, basically instant invite every time for me

then again youre on console

[echo fox]

This should work fine. You can replace, let's say, your kneepads with Palisade Steelworks for extra armor on kill and roll two of your red cores into blue ones. Striker + Backpack will give you enough damage already, while extra blue cores will help to survive, simply for smoother gameplay. As for LMG, if you can reroll Unhinged into Frenzy, it will be good, since Frenzy works best with ~125 rounds pouch LMGs. (less rounds and the buff lasts for way too long making it proc only on 3rd reload, more rounds - a lot of time without buff)

[meager fog]

Grind for Coyotes mask, use 4pc strikers and Ceska Obliterate/Glass Cannon chest

All red = Enemies dead

[echo fox]

Sometimes I think that people, who suggest console players to use Glass Cannon in their builds, are secretly evil, but I'm not sure...

[hexed steppe]

maybe pairing with rifleman be super broken. i could see some weird future perfect/determined hybrid as well. close and personal, ranger, optimist, behind you all have some potential in a rifle centric hh with tinkerer

i think there is more than enough damage in headhunter setups to explore a bit with tinkerer

[meager fog]

True, like I said maybe an MMR with first blood and 1886 with determined as secondary = No need to get a HS to start the determined stack up

[hexed steppe]

needs same weapon type for tinkerer

[meager fog]

Well just do two MMRs then 🙂 solved

[subtle bluff]

First blood doesn't count has a HS kill if it does kill

Think of it like DCH

[meager fog]

Aww..well thats that dream out

With any luck...they might somehow break it? 🙂

[subtle bluff]

Nah. It's only does HS like dmg it is not taking off the head.

Another way to look like it you know that sound you get from HS kills. It won't ever go off unless you get that HS kill.

[hexed steppe]

rifleman should proc fast with determined chaining body shots as headshots

[subtle bluff]

RIfle stacks HSD like BH. You mean breadbasket.

[meager fog]

Skill issue 🙂

[subtle bluff]

? Did I not say that right?

[meager fog]

Just give me a vigilance backpack 😭 Sick of using unstoppable force

[hexed steppe]

i meant stacking weapon damage for headhunter tinkerer determined rifleman

[subtle bluff]

Oh ok.

Sadist/Determined 😄

[hexed steppe]

im so lost , i guess my English isnt englishing

[subtle bluff]

i understood

[hexed steppe]

dafuq you get sadist from that lmfao

[subtle bluff]

Just saying doing OD HH Determine is gonna be better.

[hexed steppe]

🤔

[subtle bluff]

Oh wait... You can't fit that all in. 😐 derp

[zenith plover]

need help improving my build, any thoughts on this?

[subtle bluff]

@hexed steppe get this out of here!

@pure marsh wish this worked

[queen geode]

I think I messed up on putting armor regen on strikers. Should I have went with straight armor trait?

[solar sable]

no, just don't use any hazpro, regen or whatever affects your dps unless you're really struggling to survive

even then I'd suggest using cover without vaulting

[hexed steppe]

Thats how I run it. As long as you're running crit stats you should be alright. Chc for 3rd stat on lmg is kinda essential if not there already.

What skills are you running?

[onyx sage]

except... you don't apply sadist on a first shot kill so...

if the enemy doesn't have bleed on already sadist is useless

[subtle bluff]

a lot of thiongs

[onyx sage]

read what i said again

OD HH is anti-synergistic because sadist requires you to deal at least 2 hits, the first hit applies the bleed, the second would benefit from sadist because bleed was on. but HH is about first shot kill

[subtle bluff]

the statement I said as a lot of things wrong with it that wouldn't work.

[onyx sage]

oh okay you're saying that is wrong, yeah i agree

[subtle bluff]

The build wise too

The thought is leggo is still a 2 shot for elite

just nvm i said it!

[onyx sage]

... just get enough damage to kill in one-shot

like it's not an unsolved problem

[subtle bluff]

Can't fit trinker into a OD HH build

[onyx sage]

i don't think OD will work that well, my bet's on OD only amping the bullet but not HH

and we agree that sadist is useless

[subtle bluff]

yup

[zenith plover]

running banshee and reviver hive

[fair dragon]

Goats fighting? No way!

[wispy hollow]

Constructive discussion more like it

[hazy steeple]

You take that back.

[onyx sage]

context...

[hazy steeple]

leave my knives bullet talent out of this.

[subtle bluff]

Yes context

[onyx sage]

context died in 1984

[hazy steeple]

How would an ODHH build even work?

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't is the context

[hazy steeple]

Like, do you just strap a determined to your back and hope for the best?

I guess you could nail it together with a NBB.

This is starting to remind me of the pre-buff BK striker setup.

[violet shadow]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/vw96nihEFP Would anyone be willing to chick this out and tell me what they think it's a Dps vairant of my Tank dps build I have

[subtle bluff]

It's not really DPS. It's just blue build.

And you don't have gearset talent active.

[violet shadow]

Ik

it also just does more dps than my og tank build

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's not hard to do more DPS than what you have on.

[violet shadow]

I have other builds I run a umbrum stiker if I just want raw dps

that's after Me and a friend did a match with My umbrum striker build on

[violet shadow]

the guy had 3 directives on two of them I usully run anyways ragers and Fog of wars but my guy literally had fog of war Ragers and broken armor not fun

[subtle bluff]

that's really slow.

[violet shadow]

Ik this I just said I have a all red Umbrum striker build as well I just prefer tank builds over raw dps with how I play I don't really like builds with no survivability

[subtle bluff]

🤢 umbra striker.....

Go HB then.

[violet shadow]

I have one of those still working on finishing it up

[subtle bluff]

Tanks in div2 just hit a wall even eventually.

I was kind of the same but once I started to do a lot of leggo yeah I need to do DPS

[violet shadow]

Yeah I figured right now I'm just enjoying the game and honestly the build I run works really well but agreed I'll eventually hit the wall but until then I'll enjoy my tanky builds I run

[subtle bluff]

A lot of stuff is viable in solo/duo heroics. Doesn't mean there good tbh.
A lot of new players always like tanky stuff.

[violet shadow]

while finishing my other builds because that build I just shared isn't fully finished

[subtle bluff]

But Div2 isn't like most games out there. Bullets hurt and there's a lot of them.

[violet shadow]

it's actually my play style I just enjoy tanking dmg

[subtle bluff]

If you're interested in builds and stuff go to the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hubs

Trust it's what I do in all rpg games

[meager fog]

As with any game.

Theres not really such a thing as a tanky dps build.

You sacrifice one for the other. More survivability =less damage

[subtle bluff]

And I still can go a degree.

I think the issue "tank" vs just being tough.

[violet shadow]

true

[subtle bluff]

because tanks are support to take agro and help the team not take so much dmg which you can't do reliably in div 2

[meager fog]

DPS is always going to be the "meta" in games like this because clear speed = loot. People find other ways to combat survivability

[subtle bluff]

HB is the best at it and some hybrid striker but in the end it's not gonna be build but the gameplay with the builds.

[meager fog]

At its heart it's a cover shooter, and does a good job of forcing you to use it.

Its your main source of survivability

That and positioning

[subtle bluff]

It is some sense but gameplay and style is really big here

[violet shadow]

yeah well I do need to get to sleep I just got off of work at like 4 am this morning

it's kinda tiring being up for a tad bit longer than usual

[nimble siren]

Hey guys, I'm back after a 4-year break...

A lot of things have changed, except for my poor skill at shooting games 😂
I like mid-range weapons (assault rifles are nice) and I dabble in sniper rifles too.
I love the tech stuff in TD2, like the drones, turrets, and grenades for crowd control and such. I'm awful at close-range combat.

That said, what specialization/build or recommendations can you give me (PC/Xbox)?

[coral reef]

I'm seeing a lot of "blue strikers" build. Just the regular Striker, but with blue cores and maybe backfire. Does that thing even work? seems so gimmicky, and yet I see many SHD 10000+ folks using it.

they must know something we don't

[patent fossil]

it's a season-specific thing where blue cores give you more hazpro, and the chc increases help out backfire's chd

youtubers have been pushing it I hear

[sudden cloak]

On top of having haz pro on every gear set piece which is just super unnecessary

[hazy steeple]

Apart from everything else, you shouldn't take SHD level as any kind of indicator of skill.

There really isn't a quick way to tell in div2.

[coral reef]

Oh I see anyone who is over 5000 and i'm like "damn, respect".

[tropic solar]

its just a playtime counter essentially

saw a dude the other day at 54k

[hazy steeple]

There's been a mix of "it's been almost 6 years with the SHD system active", a bunch of exploits that didn't get rollbacks, and people who no-life it, and yeah, it's just a number.
And gives no actual benefit once you're at 1k for the bonus stats, and 2k for the incredibly small health buff.

If you get a kick out of it, hey that's no worries, but just make sure you aren't considering that as the main factor in taking their advice.

[tropic solar]

tbf, any kind of "playtime" system is hard to advance without also advancing your understanding of the game

[meager fog]

Not true.

You can literally play on normal difficulty and reach thousands of SHD levels.

Theres zero correlation

[tropic solar]

well your shd level wont increase if youre idle, so you at least have to participate in the game to increase it

[meager fog]

Participation =/= learning

[tropic solar]

not saying youll become an expert, but yeah i think active participation must teach you something that new players wont know

[subtle bluff]

Even then.

[inner sluice]

Am I just reading this wrong... or is this a glitch?

[kindred mango]

Typo looks like. Weird

[onyx sage]

as a somewhat casual 10k+ shd player, i do not run blue striker whatsoever and share your sentiment

[onyx sage]

dorky is right and i can point to an example of a guy who got to 20k shd playing only on challenging, and when asked if he's played on heroic or legendary solo he says the NPCs would make "mincemeat" out of him

i think you can reasonably infer that someone could very well play on normal only and reach like 8k shd what with the shd xp boosts we keep getting

[tropic solar]

🤷 thats fair

[solar sable]

I'm almost shd 3k and can't even solo leggo with HH 😔

[tropic solar]

Who is leggo

[glad heart]

5100 shd, and have trouble soloing leggo... but then I am 71 years old...

Leggo is Legendary difficulty

[tropic solar]

But still, you can be a "bad" player and also an expert on how the game works

Oh, well legendary is extremely hard so that's not weird

[glad heart]

^^ That's me ... haha

[tropic solar]

Also we've had discussions on HH recently and I don't think you can one shot most adds on legendary with HH? So it would be kinda useless since you wouldn't be able to maintain determined or HH stacks

[tropic solar]

Right so I'm just saying, player skill does not equal player knowledge and you can have great build advice or game knowledge without being able to use it effectively yourself

[glad heart]

Legendary is about positioning and dps. If bad positioning, can have infinite dps and still get wiped quickly. Good position and decent dps, and you have a chance. In DUA leggo I get to the 2nd garage, where you can't really back up, and get wiped...

[onyx sage]

you can with most ads, you can't for a few

they're really squishy in leg solo and only around 25.3mil for the normal ads (non-chunga, warhound) and a well-built hh can surpass that

[solar sable]

the average player has spoken

[tropic solar]

Yeah I guess it needs to be pretty well optimized though, mine rarely hits over 25m and I think it's pretty close to the main build

[onyx sage]

yeah i recognize your point, it's in any game really, good theorycrafters aren't always good players, but the other way around is often more true, knowing how to play the game well kind of makes you curious enough to want to know how the game works

it feeds into itself in a sense

[tropic solar]

Agreed, but in this case using a high shd player who can't play heroic+ as an argument for high shd meaning nothing doesn't really work imo, since that guy COULD know exactly what to do, he just can't do it

And therefore, his advice or builds may still be very valuable despite his own skill

[onyx sage]

well, we do have to consider all things, but from experience the people who don't really show good gameplay on their side have often given advice that's removed from reality

[tropic solar]

And I can agree with that too, but I also don't think that has much to do with their shd and in general, players do learn and get better the more they play, and shd is an indication of how much you've played

[onyx sage]

a typical example is when you might hear someone say to stack hsd pretty high on a MMR HH build for example, which for most cases will work fine. as long as those cases are the only things considered i don't mind. but in legendary helmets and warhounds are frequent enough that this advice falls off and i chime in

[onyx sage]

it does but only to an extent, so our point is you don't rely 100% on someone's shd level to assume their advice, you just listen to the advice instead

take the words on their own merit without considering the shd level, a 100 shd player can give solid advice just because they know how third person shooters work for example

[tropic solar]

Maybe I misinterpreted then, I agree with that.

[tropic solar]

So do you recommend an HH build for leg? 🤠

[onyx sage]

yes, as long as you know when to use it

some stages hard lock you out of using one, but in others it's often the fastest clearing build archetype

[subtle bluff]

and only one player in a team running a HH build or things can messy.

[meager fog]

Well build HH hits over 30m.

Easily enough to kill any non boss or chunga in a single hit.

I think the highjest i've seen was like 34m

[subtle bluff]

😤 🤫

[meager fog]

Right in the kisser lol

And theres my unoptimised HH hitting 26m -.-

Just flat out killing people with healing over here -.-

[coral reef]

teach me your ways master

[tropic solar]

Mine does 25m tops 🤓

[rapid wave]

Besides striker is there a good build for bighorn?

[subtle bluff]

it's the same story

[hexed steppe]

the true legend here 👆

[urban latch]

Good builds are good builds, pretty much regardless of the weapon your using.

[patent gull]

Would it be worth while adding a blue core or 2? To help with the tanky-ness

[subtle bluff]

You really have all the survival you need with Memento and HF. The other thign with Chatterbox if you're not killing you're not get free ammo that helps you keep your stacks up.

[patent gull]

Sorry, forgot to add for heroic control points and missions for heroic and higher

[subtle bluff]

HF works for in solo play fine same with Memento but in group play it's not as good with all the "On kill" talents

[patent gull]

So the build I have is good for solo, what should I aim for during group play?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers is better.

If you want more builds the Pinned Message > GDoc > Build Hub

[zenith plover]

What would be a good example of a goos status effect build??

[subtle bluff]

For what purpose?

[violet shadow]

what's the striker build you're using there

[subtle bluff]

Striker GC + Vigilance using a Tac Vector 9mm w/Killer

[violet shadow]

gc? Sorry not familiar with the shortened words.

[subtle bluff]

Glass cannon

[violet shadow]

gotcha the talent I try to stick away from

[subtle bluff]

That's the normal response it gets.

[violet shadow]

I'll give it a try again it's just if I'm trying to deal damage why do I want to take more dmg than I'm dishing out

[subtle bluff]

Kill faster. Tbh it's better on HF.

Since when you get a kill you cc everything.

[violet shadow]

well when youre acc is trash it's kinda hard to kill faster

[subtle bluff]

I did strike because.... Idk it's good if you know what you're doing.

[small igloo]

Striker has definitely taken over

[subtle bluff]

Striker is usable at all levels of context. But it's been that way for a long time.

[small igloo]

I know, just miss the pre striker days 🤷‍♂️

[urban latch]

Back when everyone ran HF

[small igloo]

I was thinking more of the different composition of builds in dark hours for certain areas, although I do love riding around with that regulus.

[subtle bluff]

No idea. Only been playing for like 19 months now.

[small igloo]

lol yeah likewise

[urban latch]

I mean that's still a thing, I only use strikers once (standard buddy/Lucy) between both raids, and that's not me trying to avoid it at all to be "off meta" or anything

[small igloo]

I know what you mean, it has its places and vice versa as does high end. Guess it all depends on what your goal is for the raid fast, casual or somewhere in between.

[urban latch]

If you just want a single build to run for everything, then strikers is great. But when you start building for specific roles or just optimizing what your doing then things really open up

[small igloo]

100%

[wicked igloo]

Guys, is st elmo striker build good for countdown? Or is there something bettdf

[vestal ibex]

If everyone ran the typical setup countdown would always go better. Now if 8 people are running it a single support can make a huge difference but really most the time it doesn't matter.

I know you might be thinking something like "I wanna do better" or contribute to faster/non failing countdowns but it's too team reliant and as long as you do the right stuff during the run that's all you can do.

[wicked igloo]

Yes im still missing coyotes mask and memento, besides that i think my build is decent according to my shd level

[worn mango]

I am amazed at the lack of damage people do during missions. I'd love to be out dps'd at some point but I'm just using OD to help lol

Goes to show though that even on heroic, some people can clear the content but they make it so hard on themselves

[vestal ibex]

Top damage usually goes to the most aggressive player or the one who is catching people on spawns. Some dudes use purple builds and out DPS everyone in heroic MM.

[patent fossil]

OD is a strong dps option even without the group buff it gives

[worn mango]

Oh for sure, and I'm aggro with a red build most of the time. It's just funny that I will usually have 3-5x damage when I feel like I'm not trying

I sit back and let people do something and the damage bars just don't move

[coral reef]

I'm always matchmaking having random ass weapons or exotic gear I need to level up for expertise. I only change to a "serious" loadout if I end up in a Legendary mission

btw my loadout for the random weapons is Negotiators Dilemma, its perfect for whatever you throw at it

[vestal ibex]

Meh, this is one of those situations where no one is competing with you so what do you really expect. "I was the fastest buggy in the grocery store" kinda thing ya know.

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 pls elaborate

[patent fossil]

A good Ongoing Directive build has a high damage output, not as high potential as strikers but no need to stack (beyond the very start when you're getting your first status kill), and basically infinite ammo

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing. So more consistency and no ammo issues. I like running my od sadist wicked 6r build in countdown. I wonder if tinkerers will make it better significantly. Tinkerers is next weekish right?

[patent fossil]

Yeah next week, and yes tinkerer should be good match, just throw pressure point on the other weapon for easy 15% amp damage

It does lose out against very high health enemies like hunters and marauders, of course

[grizzled garnet]

Ye ye das da plan. iwi with sadist and then pressure point on the placeholder

[coral reef]

OD is funny to use right now in groups because almost everyone runs Elmos, so you're taking away their special ammo

[grizzled garnet]

But isnt the talent on st elmos not even what makes it good

Its the overall stats

[coral reef]

I know but they still hate it

[grizzled garnet]

(Cry more :3 ) i run my od with survivalist for more support

I need to install div 2 on my laptop now 😫

My overall od build is 4pc od with chest, coyotes and ceska with wicked... i think. All in on chc chd

Riot foam and reviver hive and survivalist fire nade

Rn the wep is carnage but when/if i get tinkerers itll be iwi and m60

[shy willow]

The shock rounds are nice but in countdown I just wanna get done faster so having a 20 percent amp is pretty good

Not that you'll ever catch me running Elmo anymore

Iron lung my beloved

[slate wedge]

what is the best Measured gear set build

[subtle bluff]

There isn't. It's a niche gearset.

[slate wedge]

just trying to figure out any situation where it could be useful

[subtle bluff]

It's a crutch for teams Tbh.

[slate wedge]

laptop can be fine, depends on what you have lol

[slate wedge]

yeah i figured, sad

[subtle bluff]

The only thing I've come with for leggo is red HSD HH.

[gray current]

Trying to run a pyro build with imperial dynasty, eclipse protocol, tech support, and swapping between pyromaniac and everlasting gaze, does anyone know of a good exotic weapon for this? Idk if there’s any that apply burn but I’m trying to get something that’ll help with this build. I tried iron lung and imo the buildup for heat is too long and it goes away too quickly

[urban latch]

Check out the eclipse guide in the pinned google doc. The capacitor or scorpio are what your looking for, but also the everlasting gaze is probably the main weapon you'll end up using. Pyromaniac seems like it makes sense, but its only boosting your weapon damage, which is basically meaninglessly low anyways, so its really not helping. The imperial dynasty is also basically useless, your much better off with a vile mask or just another high end piece

you defintely dont always need an exotic weapon/gear peice, sometimes its better to just run high end pieces instead

[subtle bluff]

To follow up. DOT Status Effect are only good if you can scale it's base dmg IE skills teirs using sticky burn and fire launcher. All in the guide.

[coral reef]

The best friend for Everlasting Gaze (in combat) is the riot foam. Foam them, headshot one, sticky fire bomb, watch them burn.

[shy willow]

The only thing with everlasting is it doesn't boost spread statuses

[gray current]

Currently using the gas launcher but I can just sit back and light an entire room on fire

[shy willow]

Definitely take a look at the guide as raucey said for improvements

I'll second that imperial dynasty is pretty useless and add that the ep bag is a must have on a damage focused ep build

It amps all damage to affected targets by like 30 percent

[graceful field]

Im nowhere near a great pvp player but I just dont get some of these players in conflict. I have builds that are regen and health over 1.7m. Can look just like the enemy builde but....4 guys laying into one guy that just builds stacks of Armor and smokes us all. Makes no sense to me, seems broken as hell

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic solar]

what are people generally using for loads of armor in pve? seeing some dudes constantly running around with almost imperceptible slivers of armor/bonus armor