td2-build-advice

[verbal gust]

Aka motherly gloves give +50% skill health applies to shields as well.

[onyx sage]

i don't think they're talking about that

[peak cloud]

I mean enemy ballistic shields. On rushers. I am just wondering if ravenous gets a bonus against them.

Does ravenous benefit from twd, or only wd?

[onyx sage]

i'm not sure. it's highly likely because every other instance in the game ravenous will work against them, like weakpoints also count for ravenous, ballistic shields are health targets just like any other

ravenous benefits from both

though if you have a ravenous you could test it out

[verbal gust]

Items or “shield” that an enemy is holding is a part of the npc. So yes it benefits.

Plus when they explode and the shield goes flying it’s funny af.

[peak cloud]

I will. After work. Still can't decide what route to go with this gun. Looks like it benefits greatly from rate of fire, but needs lots of handling to truly shine.

[onyx sage]

crit benefits it the most

the explosion damage takes crit into account

[peak cloud]

Got to balance stronger explosions with more explosions.

[verbal gust]

And more explosions with more explosions.

[onyx sage]

each individual explosion can crit, so it can be variable, but crit is the biggest factor that you can put on attributes. rate of fire is fair

[verbal gust]

This season benefits the most with modifiers assault link op af loaded is godly.

[onyx sage]

anyways i'm just here to ask @subtle bluff to carry me thru leg tmr

[subtle bluff]

Doing right now.. And these 2 builds hurt me..

[peak cloud]

Yeah. This is a crit season. Not the best for headhunter, but beastly from classic crit builds...

[verbal gust]

Better than this backfire garbage out everywhere now…

[onyx sage]

bruh

[hearty owl]

Rav bonus works against Cleaner rusher shields

Using a lvl 27 rav

[subtle bluff]

Um... Not really.. Backfire would of good.

[onyx sage]

so pro

[subtle bluff]

Does it have to be 6 Skill Teir?

[tawny mesa]

Does the backfire perform better in solo play vs group? Im assuming scaling of npc sponge effect might be at play. Play being on heroic solo vs group

[subtle bluff]

Group since you'll be able to build and use those stacks better. Solo has less HP and ads.

[finite bluff]

What's the best way to farm eagle bearer?

[subtle bluff]

If you search my name you'll find Backfire comparess video. ,

[finite bluff]

I've seen some people roll it out of Brooklyn caches

[subtle bluff]

Run DH. Also next time #ask-td2-community since this is for builds there's more eyes over there.

[finite bluff]

My bad but if I am here, what's a good trait (or perk, sorry) for Lexington If I'm running striker?

[subtle bluff]

Killer, Measured, Strained and Ranger

[loud pine]

fast hands for life

[subtle bluff]

It got nerf a few season ago it's not has great anymore.

[finite bluff]

Uh would it count as channel misuse if I continued the convo here

[subtle bluff]

Not really.

Just for next time those question would get answer better there.

faster

[finite bluff]

Yeah sure my bad but if I'm continuing it,
Is there any other way other than dh?

and besides dz 😨

[subtle bluff]

Nope.

[loud pine]

not anymore, but it was a very low drop from brooklyn activation caches last season

[subtle bluff]

Those caches you mentioned earlier are gone.

Super low too.

[finite bluff]

awwhh...

[subtle bluff]

TBH EB is kind of noobs trap.

[loud pine]

if they do a similar thing again then thatll be your only way but the drop rate is terrible

[finite bluff]

Yeah but it looks cool and having a full collection is nice.

[subtle bluff]

Do DH. It not hard.

[finite bluff]

Guess I'm speed running warlords 3 more times

[finite bluff]

yeah I know it's just been a while since I done a raid, don't know if people still actively do those

[subtle bluff]

At half the raid normally already has it so the chance are better.

[loud pine]

playerbase is pretty good currently still i believe so theres gonna be teams running it

[subtle bluff]

We do.

[finite bluff]

m, neat.

I still gotta pick out what would work best for striker though.
like in your opinion what primary would work decently well?

[loud pine]

lexington, famas, police m4

with any of the talents chow mentioned a minute ago

[finite bluff]

Would ouroboros work better than lex or nah?

[subtle bluff]

If your close enough yes but if you're not close lex and elmo works

[loud pine]

it works and its decent but i think the range is an issue

[wooden finch]

its kinda overkill with the fire rate too

[subtle bluff]

It use to be faster.. I miss it

[finite bluff]

Alright then just in your opinion then what would work the best out of the talents listed above?

[loud pine]

personally i like ranger

killer is pointless if you arent killing anything

i just prefer ranger always giving you something

[subtle bluff]

Nothing is best overall..

Just read them.

[finite bluff]

I'll give it a shot but I don't think I can change it after putting one on, can I?

[loud pine]

you can, you just cant recalibrate other slots

[finite bluff]

I mean checking opinions with others also works I guess.

[finite bluff]

wdym recalib... right I forgot how workbench works.

Ty for the help, I'll play around with the workbench though to get my bearings back

I'll give ranger a shot, see what works best for me

[full bane]

@subtle bluff could i get some help in private chat from you?

[wooden finch]

you can swap the talent/one roll from a piece of gear. Once youve swapped a slot you cannot swap any others, however the slot you swapped can be changes repeatedly

so if you swap the talent, you can do so over and over again to try other talents too

[full bane]

is this talent good?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no

[full bane]

i wanna start making my first build ever, but im lost i dont know where to start from, i crafted gloves and holster

[wooden finch]

check the spreadsheets pinned here or look up some simple build making tutorials

[silk dust]

This is a oldy but I think it still works could do a all red dps build to start off with Like grupo/ceska and using either like unbreakable or obliterate but it would take a bit to tell you an exact build so yea definitely look up on YouTube or on the internet in general on simple builds to make to help you get started oh and as for weapon talents what everyone runs is depending on playstyle and mission but you could use optimist or strained but optimist gives more overall dps on a weapon and for attributes dmg to targets out of cover or damage to armor will work very well I hope this kinda helps

[tawny mesa]

Is that the manning zoo vid?

[craggy forge]

Which Striker buiild is the strongest for pve solo heroic content?

[solar berry]

I mean any striker build without chest is good solo

Momento backpack, with ceska chest using obliterate talent. Maybe a blue core or 2 and rest is reds. Crits dmg/chance attributes. Is very good in general

[subtle bluff]

No. Sorry link. Its side by side video

[full bane]

@wooden finch @silk dust ty for reply's
the only problem with youtube vids is that they never tell you where to go to get the gear, what to farm, how what to click etc. im that new that i dont even know how to add a mod, add a talent, recalibrate etc 😦

[craggy forge]

why without chest?

[solar berry]

Chest is viable on harder/squisher difficulty

[craggy forge]

I mean isn't heroic the hardest difficulty? besides raids

[loud pine]

everything dies before you can get decent use out of the extra stacks from the chestpiece aside from legendary/incursion etc

so when thats the case youre better off with obliterate/pgc for your chestpiece

[silk dust]

Ah you on the game right now

[silk dust]

So there's actually I few places to farm certain pieces one of them being very very popular is countdown that's where you can do what is known as target farming

Only pieces I think you can't farm for thru countdown or summit is system corruption and foundry bulwurk I think

[patent fossil]

You can get foundry, the ones you can't are System corruption, Yaahl, and some exotics and named items

[silk dust]

You can farm foundry

[patent fossil]

Yes

[silk dust]

Huh

[patent fossil]

Back when iron horse first came out you could only get the foundry chest and backpack from the raid, but that was changed long ago

[silk dust]

Damn I've been playing that long that I didn't even know there was a change lol

[full bane]

yes

[silk dust]

I can tell you where to recalibrate

[full bane]

can i pm you in private disc?

[silk dust]

Sure

[loud narwhal]

What's a good SMG build?

[solar berry]

Yea but NPCs health and dmg scales off of how many players. 4 man heroic is far harder and squishier than 1-2 man

Also. Everything dies quickly before you achieve and maintain 100+ stacks

[hardy cliff]

is this an okay striker build, I do have the chameleon too, not sure if it runs good with striker. If need more screenshots I can provide

[thorny kernel]

If i want to go and make a Backfire build, what is the best for that? And what is the easiest way to achieve 100% bleed/status immunity?

[loud pine]

reroll your st elmos to damage to targets out of cover instead of optimal range, and drop striker chestpiece for ceska with obliterate, crit chance, crit damage

[hardy cliff]

That's great, thank you

[urban latch]

This is unrelated, but go into your graphics settings and turn off HDR, you'll see colors and the game wont be all grey

[silk dust]

Btw all you need is four pieces of Striker if you want you could use different knee pads like ceska or grupo or different gloves

Also chameleon is great with Striker I speedrun alot and chameleon is great for it

[urban latch]

just run the backfire on a normal build, something like strikers or hunters fury. You really dont need/want haz pro with the backfire. If your using it where you should, you shouldnt feel the need for haz pro at all. If you do thats just telling you that you should be using another SMG for the situation

[warm socket]

Anyone have a good dz pvp Build?

[silk dust]

I have a armor regen one with the bighorn

[warm socket]

Can you show me🤘😅

[thorny kernel]

I heard something with Kingbreaker and the technicians laser attachment was big for a while?

[silk dust]

It was once a oro build

Don't mind the name

[warm socket]

What is the talents

[silk dust]

For chest piece is perfectly efficient

[warm socket]

And the vores n stuff and chc and that

[warm socket]

Ah okay

[thorny kernel]

Does Wicked and PWicked also trigger if i put bleed on myself?

[silk dust]

Mask is catharsis and backpack is belstone armory with companion

Cores are armor with crit and armor regen

[silk dust]

Don't know

[thorny kernel]

Just tested it, it doesn't

[silk dust]

Oh and knee pads are emperor guards

[silk dust]

Would be cool

[warm socket]

Thank you man!

Gonna try it out for sure

[silk dust]

It's great just I kinda used my friends as experiments for it lol

Oh and for the gear mods headshot dmg

Mb I forgot about that

[silk dust]

Np and it goes like this armor /armor regen and headshot dmg I forgot I don't have much crit on that once I get on again I'll definitely send you a message to fully tell you

[violet juniper]

Armour/Haz Pro/HSD

Armour Regen isn't needed, it adds up to like 0.3% armour Regen

[silk dust]

It's what I run I have fun with it

[warm socket]

Sounds good brother

[silk dust]

I need to start making more pvp stuff but I'll do that when I'm not tired

[warm socket]

All good ahaha

[mint robin]

Are the informations of this division 2 build tool still up to date?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[thorny kernel]

Can Mad Bomber go on backpacks as well or is it chest only?

[hazy steeple]

@thorny kernel Talents are locked to either chest or BP, they can't be transferred.

[lyric prism]

can someone please tell me why the blue core striker / backfire / momento thing is the current face tank?

I just...wtf

[hazy steeple]

Backfire got buffed "recently", and now it's just kinda broken.
And Memento has always been fantastic.

[lyric prism]

yea, but it seems that unless you can face tank something you are sorta screwed.

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is not a game where you can ever truly tank, you more rely on being able to work on avoiding taking the shots in the first place, with a shield, it's by knowing how to use line of sight stuff.

[lyric prism]

yea I know.

I just...wtf. I get it, I do given some of the builds I have brought here but as any build with momento, I guess it works.

[violet juniper]

I know, I'm just saying that Haz Pro is the better option

[hazy steeple]

It's a CQB build, it requires you to CQB. And in div2: CQB means Matrix'ing it up with the bullet dodges.

[lyric prism]

it was a good setup until the one dude with it got blasted by an Outcast suicide bomber and then shot.

so there was that. awareness, don't leave it at home.

[silk dust]

This my 2mill armor build

That's my playstyle tho so it won't work for others

[hazy steeple]

The sheer amount of people who don't seem to know that you can shoot Outcast Rushers in the legs to slow them down, or shoot anywhere but the bomb so they don't explode, is kinda crazy after so long.

[silk dust]

Wait people don't know that

[lyric prism]

yea I know, I shoot their lower leget like Cleaner rushers. good practive spot.

or headshot honestly.

[hazy steeple]

It's the main way I died during Shepard Rank-up farming during the x3 Event.

it's also why I swapped out of my Backfire setup, to an OD one. Range.

[silk dust]

Hey those bombers are down right scary at times lol sometimes I open a door and div2 became a horror game

[hazy steeple]

If you double-roll backwards, you kinda do a John Woo style dive, and then it gives you enough distance to either tank just the fire from the explosion, or get out of the range entirely.

Or just shoot them in the face. 🤯

[lyric prism]

OD style for the ammo for more Backfire?

[silk dust]

I just tank em sometimes but most of the time they rush you at the most inconvenience time

[hazy steeple]

OD build entirely, Carnage as the primary in this case.
I usually combo it with the Foam Chem in order to proc the ammo.

[verbal gust]

Or do a crouching tiger hidden dragon move and let your friend run up and have them explode on them and pick your friend up laughing in tears.

[hazy steeple]

Just say you were farming revives for the achievment 🧠

[verbal gust]

Miss the division 1 days where shooting an explosive barrel eliminated your entire team. 😭

[hazy steeple]

A well timed gas can will still put a nice dent in their HP.
I mean, it's totally an accident.

[verbal gust]

True. Underground in div1 my first time, hunter came out freaked me out my team ran up and I shot a barrel killed us all hunter was like poof.

[lyric prism]

yea thats about right.

[verbal gust]

I lost 3 friends that day

[lyric prism]

maybe I shall build this for giggles.

[thorny kernel]

If i use Catharsis in combination with Backfire, does Vicious Cycle triggering also wipe Backfires damage buff?

[lyric prism]

no, Backfire is a buff not a status effect. the bleed is a status effect if the 'in kind' buff drops off.

so just keep shooting.

[thorny kernel]

Gotcha

[thorny kernel]

Okay i went and built this

Also why tf do i still get disoriented from my shield breaking despite having 100% disorient resistance?

[shy willow]

in short, it's a big no

[shy willow]

baked in I'm pretty sure

[violet juniper]

um, what are you trying to build?

[thorny kernel]

Backfire + status immunity

[violet juniper]

why?

[thorny kernel]

Because why not?

[violet juniper]

just run Backfire striker, then bleed doesn't matter

[onyx sage]

shield break disorient ignores your disorient res

[hearty owl]

Shield break can’t be avoided

Bro why is everyone posting haz pro backfire builds 😭

This needs to stop

[loud pine]

because its new meta!!!

[shy willow]

youtube content farms

[onyx sage]

because bleed too bad!! must reduce bleed!!

[hearty owl]

😡 bleed… my worst enemy…

we need to start a new meta

and pitch it to all the content creators

Omg what if we all ran the high end HH w Regulus 😄

[onyx sage]

instructions unclear, they're running high end hh with determined

[loud pine]

deflector shield tank build?

[shy willow]

the outrage if content creators decided to showcase regulus hhf

[loud pine]

theyd love it

[shy willow]

how dare you expect me to do difficult content for good rewards

[hearty owl]

Like how do people not like the Regulus explosion

[onyx sage]

and then they play it on challenging

[hearty owl]

That is legit the only reason why I still play this game

Hard Lincon Memorial farm w Regulus

[shy willow]

"shreds legendary!"

[onyx sage]

*only has footage of group heroic*

[shy willow]

obligatory mile long armour bar and fake damage number in the thumbnail

[hearty owl]

you guys should become content creators

[hardy cliff]

where is the best to farm for ceska or grupo

[hearty owl]

countdown 🥹

[fervent reef]

Hey whats up guys, I'm in need of some guidance... I got many questions... but honestly unless someone checks my character piece by piece... I can only get general information.

so first question, is it better to use rifle or Assault Rifle?

[muted cosmos]

Hi everyone, does anyone know if it is possible to loot the exodus gloves in countdown ?

[muted cosmos]

Assault rifle for sure

[fervent reef]

ok, so, what would be a the main thing I want to focus on when it comes to Assault Rifles? like Focus on maximizing my Total DMG?, RPM...?\

I know that there are many possible ways to build but I mainly want to work on being able to take down enemies on Challenging mode (or Heroic ) and not waste 7 clips on just 1 enemy

[hearty owl]

You should be able to but usually with new-ish exotics they forget to add them to the drop pool 😃

[muted cosmos]

Oh well i see, thx

[crisp dagger]

Hey there, I’m pretty new in the game and really enjoy the ride so far.

I hit 40, then started my farming session and recently begun to look at some build on YouTube, not to simply copy, but trying to understand how everything works and why. But I’m kind of confuse. There is lot a old video and I don’t want to spend my time farming a build obsolete or nerf since the videos are online.

My main question is what are the few good build right now I should consider playing ?

Can you please put me in the rightS directionS ?

[hearty owl]

Striker build with an AR. Chest with Obliterate. Try to hit 60 crit hit chance 👍

[urban latch]

check out the google doc in the pins. Theres a bunch of info in there including a bunch of build guides

[crisp dagger]

Got few good striker stuff and good AR, let’s make something from that.
What is the best ARs for you guys ?

Argh I do not think about the pins, thanks, gonna have a look at it right now

[worn imp]

Best rifle/semi automatic MMR for pure headshot damage build with headhunter? (also running white death for long range sniping). Not running determined cause that shiii boring asf

[hearty owl]

W decision

[urban latch]

1886

[hearty owl]

Still think the 1886 would be the best rifle. Maybe M700 Tactical for the MMR

[worn imp]

1886 has the wasted stat of crit damage for my non crit chance build.

Wouldnt sacred imperium be better?

[fervent reef]

Do I want to focus on Critical hit chance or damage?

[hearty owl]

Both but chance first

[worn imp]

for watch? definately crit chance maxed first

[hearty owl]

I’ve never used Sacred Imperium tbh

All rifles roll with CHD so :/

[urban latch]

the huge advantage the 1886 has that makes all semi-auto MMRs irrelevant is that you can run a shield and can aim immediately after moving instead of waiting 3 days to get your accuracy back.

[worn imp]

ah makes sense yeah. But like... what do i run on it? rifleman talent?

[urban latch]

I mean determined in straight OP, but outside of that riflemen, optimist, or ranger

all kind of dwarfed by determined since its so OP on the 1886

[worn imp]

not ever runnning detertmined lmao i dont wanna play easymode

and btw isnt diamondback even with a non crit build on par with 1886 with rifleman?

[urban latch]

yeah. thats basically an 1886, just the exotic version

[fervent reef]

ok, so what piece of my armor, I should put towards health? Because I could hit hard but if I can go down easily then theres not much of a point

Armor & Health*

[worn imp]

but thing is... is it really better? does diamondback do the same damage as 1886 base stats wise?

[fervent reef]

just saw your message @muted cosmos

[urban latch]

the easiest way to get survivability is a crusader shield. a T0 (no skill tiers) crusader shield + base armor will give you more survivability than 6 blue cores and no shield. Shields also increase skill tiers with armor cores, so if you want to put some on its an option. memento is easily the best combo of damage and survivability when paired with a shield

[magic pilot]

I run 1886 with rifleman for headhunting, ranger is really good because it's an amp. 1886 has super low optimal range though

[urban latch]

its the exact same base stats, just different mods and you get the exotic talent

[worn imp]

do you think it's around as good as 1886 with godroll stuff on it?

[urban latch]

its optimal range is 35m, basically best of ARs optimal range, not exactly short

[worn imp]

godroll meaning rifleman and DMG target OOC

[urban latch]

Id personally take a high end 1886, especially one that alreeady has dtooc on it so you can put on whatever talent, but theres very little difference between the two tbh. If your 1 tapping things regardless then it makes no difference

[magic pilot]

It's not 35m is it?

I thought it was like 17

[magic pilot]

Huh, just pretend I'm not here

Idk what I'm talking about anymore lol

[cosmic estuary]

I cannot get St. Elmo to drop for the life of me. Ran a total of 10 Countdown sessions the last 2 days on Challenging with ARs as targeted loot.

[young notch]

are there any builds beside negotiators where i can use a diamondback effectively?

[vestal ibex]

OD, any HH builds, highend crit.

[young notch]

would od be good? diamondback has like 8 bullets seems like the amount of work to get the effect is not worth the small clips size. i could be wrong

[broken edge]

aces might make good use

OD is a mixed bag, if you one shot stuff you dont get the ammo

[young notch]

isnt aces just marksmen rifles

[ruby parrot]

i have a striker build but i feel that im too squishy, obviously using crusader shield, is there any item i should be looking for extra survivability with minimal sacrifice to damage?

[hazy steeple]

@young notch It's actually both Rifles and MMR's now

[young notch]

so 5 shots or 1 head, card flip amp dmg. would this work with like turmoil knees?

[full bane]

striker's battlegear turns from green to light blue in inventory when its maximum tinkered?

[vestal ibex]

When you toggle a color blind mode.

[full bane]

aaa because i saw a picture of someones build and i was confused, ty

[magic pilot]

It's mainly used to help see radius of skills and grenades

[glossy scarab]

it puts an actual line around the AOE instead of just red highlight

[hearty owl]

yeah its for blind people 😂

jk!!

[bronze hound]

@silver dagger

btw i decided to roll my scorpio with mag size

all the blue attributes are hazpro and mods are disrupt resist

[full bane]

is 60% the max crit chance rate? or can we equip for more?

[hazy steeple]

60% is the hard cap, going over it does nothing.
Specifically: this season you can go over it, but it's only for this season, and only with a certain Modifier.

[sick depot]

is this good by any chance? my first exotic armor piece

[onyx sage]

it has its use but very niche, keep it around

[main perch]

Anyone got a good PvP build and a good pve build

[acoustic epoch]

Pinned spreadsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[young notch]

are there any weapons like the mop that provide armor on kill for skill builds?

[subtle bluff]

It's only The Mop that has AoK

[young notch]

any other weapon worth using in solo skill build play? ik capicator

[versed flame]

Depends on the build

[fallow spade]

Hi i downloaded the game again havent played in a while what are the best builds rn?

[subtle bluff]

Same stuff.

[fallow spade]

Is striker still good?

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything can be used but how good they depends.

[full bane]

just found this talent on a striker piece, is it good?

stacks? doubles the weapon dmg of set bonus?

[onyx sage]

situationally good

[onyx sage]

it's a bit less than 50% total increase in damage, but the thing is it competes with other good chest talents and it requires stacking all the way to 200

[full bane]

just realised all striker chest pieces have that talent, its not unique at all my bad

[onyx sage]

all striker chest pieces yes

[vestal ibex]

Strikers is still one of if not the best set for most damage builds.

[subtle bluff]

For sustain to burst DPS

[hearty owl]

Nah Refactor on top 💪

[ripe stone]

i need some straight honest advice

i was rolling for damage to targets out of cover on st elmos but i got this insane triple god roll, do i keep this

[onyx sage]

nah

[ripe stone]

put that on everything u love

[full bane]

can i add critical hit chance second time on an item because i have a free mod slot? or not possible to double same attribute on same item?

[onyx sage]

yes

[storm mist]

Hi..I just want to ask about the recalibration and the optimization..

I just recalibrate my umbra armor from red to Blue Armor..

Then how can I change the attribute from crit damge to hazpo..

[onyx sage]

you can only recalibrate 1 attribute

[storm mist]

So its either Core attribute or Attributes only?

[onyx sage]

yes

core attribute, attribute, or talent

[storm mist]

Oh my so I will only choose one..

I am currently using umbra set..and all of them i change the core to blues..

Is the umbra set esp the Attributes can have hazpros?

Is the attributes is random?

[onyx sage]

yes, you have to hope it drops with hazpro so you can reroll the core only

[storm mist]

Now I got it thanks..

[warm socket]

Anyone Got any good dz builds? Pvp

[subtle bluff]

#td2-pvp-discussions

[urban latch]

right rolls >>> max rolls

[warm socket]

? This is Build advice?

[onyx sage]

yeah but this channel is mostly for pve

[civic meteor]

Is my build like ok?

[versed flame]

no

[civic meteor]

I’ve been really trying to find something that works and messing with a bunch of different builds is burning me out lol

[civic meteor]

😦

What can I change?

[versed flame]

Honestly??? We have to change everything!

[civic meteor]

Oh no :((

[versed flame]

🤷‍♂️

[versed flame]

Why this set? It is for the tank, the tank in the game is very little where necessary

The talent on the weapon doesn't work because there's no attachment on it.

[civic meteor]

It’s flatline it applies to pulse

[civic meteor]

Tanky but at the same time not doing terrible damage

[versed flame]

Yeah, but you can't put an activation cap on this gun.

[civic meteor]

Wdym

[magic wave]

Feels like I'm not doing as much damage as I think I could be doing, just wondering if it has more to do with the watch not being maxed out or if I'm running the wrong weapons/gear? Thanks.

Edit: Should also note that my I am planning on grinding for St. Elmo's and an ACS-12 as secondary for stacks.

[subtle bluff]

You could do sooo much more dmg.

[subtle bluff]

Stop using striker chest.

[magic wave]

Explain.

[subtle bluff]

Read the build guide I just posted.

[civic meteor]

Without changing my gear? I mean I just wanna have armour and be tanky lol my only issue is my watch level

[subtle bluff]

I need to get the updated guide.

[versed flame]

I'd change the knees, too. It's a controversial thing.

[subtle bluff]

Get Heartbreaker then.

Tankie doesn't work well in div2 too many people with guns that don't need to get near to hit you.

Vs just taking people out.

[civic meteor]

I get near people tho

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/R6vJhXTo0lI?si=9h3ql5ku9vgdnlRr

Not great just IE of what something else you can do.

I don't like this video but should show you what is possible.

[urban latch]

in addition to chows comment about the chest, youve got turmoil knees halving the damage to the target your shooting at, so your only really feeling the immediate impact of half your damage. For most cases/people, your better off not using turmoil knees

[magic wave]

Ah okay thank you that makes a lot of sense

I'll go for Ceska Obliterate like it was suggested then

[civic meteor]

I mean that is crazy damage it’s just even tho I’m like SHD 179 im a bit of a noob so when im a full dps build I just get demolished

If I ran a sniper dps I may be fine but I’ve only hit like 2-3 mil damage in one shot

[lyric prism]

so....I'm bored on a laggy remote connection. swap gloves for chest so obliterate.

crappy tree I'm peeing on or something useful? 53% smg dmg counting ring 15%.

[versed flame]

Redo it as a tip, it's ineffective.

[lyric prism]

yea, it looks fun but I think would be not so great in use.

[urban latch]

thats just what an optimized build looks like. Its not a knock on you, your new to the game and learning, thats fine. But the build you posted really isnt putting out any damage

[versed flame]

4-piece set, memento, Czech-vest

[lyric prism]

yea

i'm not sure the turmoil pads would be worth using.

1 piece sokolov gives smg dmg since crit cap comes so quick.

[glossy scarab]

crit cap on crit dmg?

[lyric prism]

chc

[glossy scarab]

oh 2 pc soko gives chd tho

[lyric prism]

yea.

I remember a time nbb/2p soko/3p HF was a thing but its so much easier to just go 4p/momento/1soko

[versed flame]

the talent on the vest can only be changed to destruction.

[glossy scarab]

oh absolutely. i was just thinkin to myself the sokolov was probably the part of that build that made most sense

[glossy scarab]

yeah i def wouldnt use that one

[lyric prism]

I guess I'm weird, I run backfire on my striker setup bc numbers but the bleed thing never bothered me.

with a simple aok on gunner, you are fine.

[glossy scarab]

a god rolled iron lung dropped for me with mag size on it and its actually is becoming my fav one. I have ones with DTA, ROF and CHC. the chc one is uneccessary though unless I'm only building around the one weapon and I always use 2 weapons fairly equally

94 rounds. 107 rounds if i use a Zwia chest

[solar berry]

whats the best dmr for breaking point? acs still?

[mental pivot]

@versed flame Oh so I should be going for versions of the items with damage stats?

[solar berry]

why 6pc. 5/6 pc do nothing for your build

[mental pivot]

I assume the sets would have more benefits. 🤷‍♀️

[solar berry]

in Y1 div2 sure. but they took that out, its not div1 anymore

[civic meteor]

What’s a good damage range I should strive for a smg or assault rifle/ rifle

[mental pivot]

Are their pieces people do not use then usually? Gloves and holster?

[solar berry]

gloves for btsu, any other pieces but chest and bp for max potential healer FI. i use alps summit for best heals

[hexed steppe]

Was messing around in dua leg yesterday with bluescreen/nego, spamming emp sticky. Not much sky for spamming the emp sticky/bs proc, but teamates as targets work just as well .
Felt like such a troll nailing teamates constantly with the sticky tho.

[dreamy valve]

It actually used to be 6 sets in the early Division 2 days but they quickly changed it

they also had talents for gear pieces in slots other than chest and backpack

[solar berry]

chest and backpack always been the same in Y1. only thing they took out was 5/6pc bonus from the gearset itself

mask, kneepads, gloves, holster never had gear set bonuses

but for basic gear talents. yes that was a thing

[sturdy flower]

I just wish we could get sets that are relevant enough to change the meta

for most builds we've been using the same sets that have been out for like years

new sets are gimmicks at best

[thorny solstice]

@worn isle from CD earlier. And no, he didnt lvl expertise there, lol. Good times right now 😄

[solar berry]

👀 wtf

1pc umbra is more wild at most

[worn isle]

omgf

[sturdy flower]

wtf am i even looking at

[thorny solstice]

abomination

[worn isle]

i answer u later

[hexed steppe]

New meta incoming

[solar berry]

1pc umbra is meta

[solar berry]

👀 div1 players i assume

[thorny solstice]

but hey, at least there are lots new players. Thats good for the game...hopefully.

[hexed steppe]

The second is at least functional

[sturdy flower]

i cringe every time i see a striker chest instead of an obliterate

[dreamy valve]

Expertise lvl 22 on a drone? pure troll build

[sturdy flower]

and yeah drone in cd is trolling lol

[solar berry]

depends on situation and difficulty

low end content, pure troll build for chest

[thorny solstice]

Thats visual bug. It shows my expertise lvls.

[sturdy flower]

you still consistently get more dps out of obliterate than the striker chest perk

[worn isle]

ok back so i see build but omgf

[solar berry]

ramp up yes but overall no. but like i said, depends on situation and difficulty

[worn isle]

i seen from reddit one random uses 400 armor flame perk and dz skills i was like wtf my dude XD

[sturdy flower]

i wish dps just had better exotic choices other than a mask that just gives cc and cd

memento is situational

and honestly annoying to use in pubs

[silk dust]

Momento is goated tho

[sturdy flower]

since assists dont drop trophies for whatever reason

[silk dust]

Which sucks

[solar berry]

centurions is fire

[thorny solstice]

sweatlord...

[solar berry]

how much dps he did tho?

in the advanced tab

[sturdy flower]

nobody in CD lobbies seems to understand splitting the groups anymore

2/3 every goddamn run

[dreamy valve]

influx of new players

[thorny solstice]

Division dmg statistic is in 32bit.
So its about 2.1bil
When u hit it, it goes to negative 2.1bil and back up again.

[solar berry]

slightly more than me kek

[thorny solstice]

yeah, so -2bil = 2.2bil dmg dealt

[solar berry]

according to his number vs mine. i did higher 👀

-2009M vs -765M

[thorny solstice]

2.1bil is the soft cap.
When u go over it, it overflows, meaning that u will go to -2.1bil
More dmg u do, smaller it goes...-2....-1.9....-1.8 and so on

[solar berry]

mmm

[thorny solstice]

gcrock plug:
"Why You See Negative Damage Dealt Numbers and What They Mean"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTNVdF0fAIc

[dreamy valve]

global modifiers be cray

[thorny solstice]

Too good.

with freaking 5-6 armor cores u can be god.

[dreamy valve]

indeed my season

https://youtu.be/Z8wYKVPXF3Q?si=BmLfB-JuiHEOOAMA

[worn isle]

finally i got lengmo one piece one last to get i done countdown

[thorny solstice]

dud...im farming Backbone... going mad already.

[worn isle]

which build u mix it?

[thorny solstice]

at least something....way too much effort tho...

[worn isle]

i go for bleed dmg i wana do it

[thorny solstice]

All red backbone, can use it for many things.

[worn isle]

nice

i will mix it other solo build for myself

[glossy scarab]

too bad its knees tho, foxes is best for that slot for that lmg build

[worn isle]

foxes not useful for lmg

everyone have own taste

[glossy scarab]

yea its not that big a deal, just the DTOC is nice

[subtle bluff]

It’s easier doing Ceska Chest first and just using lengmo kneel to start

[worn isle]

lol

[glossy scarab]

im still tryin to get me a good lengmo glass cannon chest. mine just has CHC on it and health or something bc i used my recal to make it red core

[subtle bluff]

I’ve given up Just being happy with a Blue GC double crit chest

[worn isle]

countdown random going with yellow build

XDDDD

45% cd

[subtle bluff]

At least there in CD and only level 33 doing that and not leggo…. Some people don’t learn.

Last night hurt me.

[worn isle]

they dont know nothing about countdown picking yellow gear XDDD

[quaint badge]

anyone got any advice, building the striker tank build, everyone says to get yaahl mask but that shiii so hard to find godroll and getting the bp to craft the replica is just near impossible

[subtle bluff]

I can’t be here for this.

[solar sable]

I feel nauseous

[worn isle]

remove armor 1.5 is too much

[quaint badge]

😂 i've only just come back after i stopped playing the game like a month after it released, ive got a st elmo build but i do kinda enjoy the tanky one

1.5 is low compared to some ive seen having like 1.8+

[worn isle]

1.3 recommending you

[fiery gust]

You've got 5 pieces of Striker on lol. Only 4 are useful because that's where the set effects cap at. Having 5 or 6 adds no additional bonuses.

[solar berry]

meanwhile i run 1.8m and out dmg everyone on a eb striker kek

[quaint badge]

its only cause i dont have the yaahl mask cause i cant find it anywhere and the stats on the mask i am using aint bad

yaahl is just annoying to farm cause so many sweaty teams in the dz and im playing solo

[fiery gust]

One piece of it was for sale from the clan vendor last week I think.

[solar berry]

can get yahaal in conflict as well

[quaint badge]

yeah i literally been back on the game since friday

[fiery gust]

Oh. Makes sense lol.

[quaint badge]

unfortunately spent 3 days farming memento backpack cause it just wouldnt drop xD

[fiery gust]

In regards to your question about the build in general, what are you trying to run? As in what kind of content. Group, or solo?

Personally, I'd drop all the blue cores and attributes and go full red, 4 piece Striker, most likely Ceska chest with Obliterate, a Coyote mask, and switch my primary to Elmo.

Not a lot of value in running janky setups for most content, unless that's just your jam. XD

[thorny solstice]

Without Memento variant for NON seasonal modifier content...and it has one bleed res mod.
Blue attributes are hazard protection. Aim between 55-60CHC and rest into CHD.

[solar berry]

whats the best rifle?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on build

[thorny solstice]

For openworld/missions heroic solo/group i always recommend something like that, Tanky and still can deal very high dmg. Tier 6 shield. DPS uptime.

[solar berry]

BP HH

[onyx sage]

1886

[solar berry]

determined right?

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[onyx sage]

yeah or ranger

[solar berry]

bet

[quaint badge]

yeah gonna be mostly going for heroic stuff/legendary just hard getting the last bits blue core atleast

[worn isle]

guys

another skill build i busted with 25% cd

[quaint badge]

would you stay away from this?

[subtle bluff]

It for sure works better there than in solo heroic. I still out dmg all these hazpro backfire builds that I run into.

[solar berry]

extract stat to library

[quaint badge]

would suit me better?

[solar berry]

it be good on backfire build

[thorny solstice]

With backfire its perfect.

[solar berry]

thats what i use exactly on my backfire build xD

[urban latch]

just run the backfire on a normal build. You really dont need/want haz pro with the backfire. If your using it where you should, you shouldnt feel the need for haz pro at all. If you do thats just telling you that you should be using another SMG for the situation

[solar berry]

arm and haz pro everywhere

[urban latch]

all these haz pro backfire builds constantly popping up are killing me lol

[solar berry]

been having it forever now

[fiery gust]

Lmao I feel that. People don't understand the gun or builds, and so they think you need huge armor and haz pro.

[solar berry]

modifer made it better

[quaint badge]

yeah i just been trying out different builds to see what i feel comfortable using

[urban latch]

the backfire has been a top tier gun since they buffed it, thats not new. But you really dont need haz pro with it

haz pro only hurts it

[solar berry]

i use haz pro cuz immune from most things anyways

[quaint badge]

i mean i have a full build for cc/cd for the elmo so i could realistically use that

[solar berry]

its good in pvp as well

[urban latch]

the backfire is not a pvp gun....

[fiery gust]

PvP is also not the same as open world or missions lol.

[solar berry]

its like i never played the game before since day 1. thanks for reminding me

[subtle bluff]

The reason it’s becoming the meta is modifiers sadly.

[solar sable]

every time I see people use cc/CC or CD gives me the ick

[solar berry]

haz pro striker is simply viable in pvp. never said about backfire. but backfire is decent in pvp with it. but more viable in pve due to seasonal modifiers

[subtle bluff]

Like on the harder content sure or group

[solar berry]

bro can yall read my name?

[subtle bluff]

It’s just you tho.

[solar berry]

90% solo 👀

[subtle bluff]

It’s the current meta

Everyone is doing it.

[solar berry]

wow, never knew it was current meta

[urban latch]

that doesnt mean its the meta lol

[subtle bluff]

Noob meta?

Lazy meta?

[urban latch]

"YT bandwagon"

[fiery gust]

You don't even needs it for solo.

[subtle bluff]

Trust us we know.

[fiery gust]

If you need blues for normal content solo, you need to learn how to play lol.

[subtle bluff]

It’s just sooo slow to clear solo with Backfire matter how you build it.

MPX base is asssssss

[solar berry]

i build my builds for pve and pvp. and i do just perfectly fine

[fiery gust]

Because you gotta have those stack. Hard to keep those up a lot of times besides specific niche cases and yea, lower base DPS

[subtle bluff]

We never said you wouldn’t do bad with it

[thorny solstice]

Btw, its illegal to be lazy and have fun in videogames 🤷‍♂️

[subtle bluff]

I mean clearing things faster is fun at least for me.

[thorny solstice]

We all view things from our hill...
Normal Timmy wants to play with 6-piece Strikers and you cant stop him.

[subtle bluff]

We’re not saying it’s a bad build geez. Just slow.

We’re not stopping anyone

[fiery gust]

To each their own. Build and play how you want. The issue is some folks spreading misinformation about needing haz pro on something like the Backfire. I think that's the confusion here.

[urban latch]

I am

[solar berry]

how is it slow when i can do 2b dmg in a 4 man heroic?

[subtle bluff]

I said solo

[thorny solstice]

yeah yeah, juding timmy builds, go play with your perfect glass cannon and chainkiller 😄 (just kidding)

[subtle bluff]

Repeating myself like crazy

[subtle bluff]

If I could have both I would do that

[solar berry]

i just dont like using rez hive. and be tanky as i do dmg

[solar berry]

how hard is that

[subtle bluff]

I never use Rez hive

[solar berry]

same

[thorny solstice]

im gonna go be the sweatlord in countdown...so you cant say im lazy or something xd

[subtle bluff]

Things like being put out of context here.

[solar berry]

atleast i dont use striker chest in low end content, atleast i dont use random mashup builds and say its good, atleast i dont run around and use 5/6pc gearset and call it the best of all time.

i understand how the game works with build crafting. never been a noob at this in destiny and div since both game franchises launched since day 1

[thorny solstice]

Fun = good

[solar berry]

yes

but most random builds you see from new players is bad but cant tell them no and copy your build right then and there

they prob dont care what you or anyone say tbh. not hating on them. its just how gaming industry is

[quaint badge]

yeah tbf i played div1 ran the best sets going, came to div2 didnt like what they did to the dz and the game was in a bad spot the first few years so i quit it, i mean im open to good builds for both pve and pvp so if you got something to recommend throw it at me and ill grind it out asap

[solar berry]

only gear set i main in div1 more than anything was AB. yet i dont have a AB gearset in div2

where my AB set, massive in div2 (ik they dont read chat)

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i did like AB a lot in div 1

[quaint badge]

i ran smg shield build and 1 shot sniper but im trying to stay away from it xD

[solar berry]

best set of all time

[quaint badge]

i just ran into 3 guys running 1 shot pistols in conflict, real fun match -_-

[cerulean smelt]

the fact we get an exotic that does that set kind of is exciting

[solar berry]

yea but not the actual set which makes me sad

[quaint badge]

would heartbreaker or refactor set be worth the grind?

[thorny solstice]

Id say yes.

Not that hard to grind those...so

[solar berry]

Heartbreaker have better survivability than striker but need hostiles to be pulsed. Refractor is ok, if you like doing dmg with skills while healing but don’t beat FI’s heals

[subtle bluff]

I love my HB build just don’t pull it out much anymore

[solar berry]

Tried HB. But enjoy striker far more

[subtle bluff]

I’m a striker user but when I’ve had to carry SHD >100 thru leggo Zoo

[cerulean smelt]

the fact i don't have to either have pulse built in in my build and just get increased damage is why i don't like heartbreaker much myself

[subtle bluff]

They have some dmg just need help getting it done and stuff my HB did the best.

[subtle bluff]

HB is Very much a playstyle to be able to bring out it’s full potential

[peak meadow]

Begrudgingly will accept a Refactor player in my group

[subtle bluff]

Controlled aggression.

[subtle bluff]

Depends on your playstyle. Refactor I recommend a hybrid version.

[cerulean smelt]

it certainly is (> <)

[cursive junco]

I'm returning player, can someone send me the backfire build without yaahl named piece, please

[subtle bluff]

Why do you want to do Backfire?

[glossy scarab]

cuz its hot right now. theres buzz going on. havent you heard

[cursive junco]

Bcuz look like it's meta rn

[bronze hound]

Only cuz of the seasonal event

[subtle bluff]

I run up to a ADS ACS12 him down and shield up and hold that spot till I can push others but my HB is used in group mainly.

[bronze hound]

Without the seasonal event it sucks as always

[glossy scarab]

im aware

[subtle bluff]

It’s slow. I don’t promote Backfire hazpro.

Funny I just mention it is meta and people said it wasn’t… LOL

[urban latch]

its really not

[bronze hound]

Oh hi raucey long time no see

[urban latch]

hey there

[quaint badge]

seeing how much it does in legendary and how if you play right its good kinda put me onto it

[bronze hound]

Did you see my new cursed build

[subtle bluff]

Here. Bad runs but the idea. I am not running the meta version of the build but I think I need to get someone to do the same run to compare it.
https://youtu.be/R6vJhXTo0lI?si=c6NJOq9s4p0cWmWb

[urban latch]

where are you seeing that, and how are you comparing builds? because if your just seeing some out of context clip and you dont realize someone is giving themselves a bunch of buffs to make things seem stronger than they really are, its easy to be mislead when you are new

[subtle bluff]

It’s not that much TBH in Lego vs normal strikers since the build takes it’s base dmg away it’s still not bad damage by any mean but you have to push up due to range. DUA is easy for it but when it gets to the other BF blueh hazpro is gonna have some issues.

[quaint badge]

was a full video of the run and a full build breakdown video to go with it, not some 60second short

[urban latch]

whats the video, im curious

[cerulean smelt]

i'd check the year on the video, could be years old

[urban latch]

and then everyone else here can reacte to the channel

[cerulean smelt]

big oof doing that during that ranged modifier uh theo parnel manhunt?

[bronze hound]

Raucey I want you to react to my build

[urban latch]

Im all for red FI, but swap foxes knees and the backpack

and ideally the chest tbh

[bronze hound]

Nah the backpack is there for a reason

Basically 100% aok in countdown

[subtle bluff]

I hated the modifiers for that season. But hazpro was good during it.

[violet juniper]

the range modifier thingimabob was great

[subtle bluff]

FI talents interacts with DrHomes AoK.

[quaint badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM7V4_h-gmw&ab_channel=NothingButSkillz2.0 3days old

[violet juniper]

Momentum was by far the best one though. In my opinion.

[subtle bluff]

They were Overpowered.

[violet juniper]

The modifiers or the enemies?

[subtle bluff]

Modifiers.

[violet juniper]

admittedly, you couldn't run the modifier in things like Incursion but the healing was just too much

[subtle bluff]

Just keep on crit and killing you do more everything.

[subtle bluff]

We did it. We didn’t care.

[violet juniper]

remember when Legendary Roosevelt couldn't be completed because the quadcopter just out healed everything

[subtle bluff]

It was just dumb.

[subtle bluff]

We hotswap and rav that one down.

It waas coooool

[violet juniper]

ah well Rav is a niche cheat code

now that I think of it, Rav is perfect for that exact encounter

the time I ran it we had to have 3 guys with full striker memento hosing the thing with Pestilences

[subtle bluff]

Pesti would be kind of pointless on quadcopters.

Tbh I use turmoil on the quadcopter the whole time with full striker chest and just laugh at everything dying.

Brain off just shoot big thing

[cerulean smelt]

you see they finally fixed turmoil?

[subtle bluff]

2 of us had EMP Stick and since we’re OC from OD ya….

[subtle bluff]

YUP! Balance now.

[shy willow]

They fixed it's interaction with HH?

[cerulean smelt]

nope headhunter still does 2 kills in 1 shot

[shy willow]

How'd it get fixed 😭

[cerulean smelt]

from what i watched it doesn't double dip in the transfer damage

[fervent reef]

what is the best attribute to get on the st elmos engine

[bronze hound]

Damage to targets out of cover

[cerulean smelt]

yes, headshot builds didn't, but if you were doing the crit build the transfer damage would be increased more than what you normal damage did

personally i feel they put 100% on transfer coding and 50% on single target coding

[subtle bluff]

You use to do more on the transfer dmg.

[solar berry]

i mean... no crits involved tho

with HH

[subtle bluff]

No they didn't count the amps.

[solar berry]

o the crit part ye, it dont

[cerulean smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SDgAeo32NQ

[subtle bluff]

I haven't tested HH since the fix

[cerulean smelt]

@solar berry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HOjlXMjTM8 this is a better explanation on the knees

[quaint badge]

anyone got a refactor build?

[solar berry]

mmm. single target HH crit vs turmoil crit HH both at max stacks

[hexed steppe]

There is one in the sheet I recently added

[cerulean smelt]

now yes as they're fixed, but dod's video i linked saying a better explanation shows the turmoil doing something funky where he said "43% more damage on transfer"

[hexed steppe]

Pinned sheet > turret/drone build link > refactor has a section

[subtle bluff]

Here's another version.

[hexed steppe]

Bag talent on #2? Surprised it doesnt show like chest . Ik still wip tho

[thorny solstice]

iKias yellow, drone and turret
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18s3Gr5fZ3DvuA55xeBSyc_2SIusmfMULotivkSfs4xQ/edit

[solar berry]

So before it was bugged, now fixed mmm 🤔

Ngl. Wish they kept it

[hexed steppe]

I run similar to ikia build link, but PCA is wasted on turret drone. So tech support and glass

[subtle bluff]

Oops. I forgot to update it thanks. Combined Arms.

[subtle bluff]

IMO GC is better if you’re healing anyways why the heck not.

[summer flax]

guess the buffs 🙂 ?

[subtle bluff]

I know the first just can’t think about it, gunner, gunner, unstoppable, overwatch, ND, seasonal modifiers

[summer flax]

nice!

[shy willow]

Sawyer's iirc

[fervent reef]

best assault riffle?

[summer flax]

Ya u guys got it right

[subtle bluff]

DAMNIT I KNEW IT. I was using it the other day…….(in the range)

[shy willow]

The best worst exotic

[subtle bluff]

Not used correctly…. I have an idea. 😐

[snow tartan]

vest is bober, and pack is festive delivery, roast away

ik i can swap it out for chainkiller so dont mention it

[urban latch]

if you had solid gear talents the build would be fine

[cerulean smelt]

Why chainkiller if you're not using mmr/rifle/shotgun?

[snow tartan]

cause i have lefy, scorpio, and like glue but i just dont like the reload speed

[snow tartan]

thats what i need to work on

[cerulean smelt]

Picture shows you're running dark winter and chameleon so why chainkiller?

Oh wait vector, thought darkwinter

[snow tartan]

i need to grab that too

as said, its a good build but needs tweaking

[shy willow]

Entrenched unfortunately trash and festive delivery not worth

[snow tartan]

yeah ik, they are just fill ins till i can upgrade, mainly the crit dmg from festive rn

[shy willow]

You have the right idea though

Just needs better chest and bag

[snow tartan]

anyone recomend a good nammed chest and pack?

or just good in general?

[cerulean smelt]

i'ts not entrenched is it? thought perfect trauma

[subtle bluff]

Strained is better on a weapon that doesn’t mag dump so quickly. Killer and Measured are the better options

[cerulean smelt]

oh it is entrenched XD

[shy willow]

Yeee cherished is trauma

[subtle bluff]

The answer here is that named and exotics aren’t always the best.

[snow tartan]

im well aware, i figured cahmeleon would help my build

[cerulean smelt]

btw: festive only works with concussive grenades, can use that one talent for grenade cooking

[snow tartan]

ik it does

[cerulean smelt]

think long time ago it used to work on the cluster nades but they fixed it at some point

[shy willow]

Back when cooler bug was a thing festive delivery was great fun

[subtle bluff]

Yes but you’re messing your CHC your primary should be CHC focus.

[snow tartan]

fair point...

[subtle bluff]

Choose a good primary then yes get a 2nd to cover what your primary can’t do.

[snow tartan]

imma experiment with different bags and vests, and prolly run like glue or lexington w/ a vector that has close and personal

[subtle bluff]

Not a bad choice.

[still gyro]

How is the lengmo pestilence build in the current meta? Bored with striker so need change

[subtle bluff]

Still works. You can search in this channel with my name and pics for it I think it should pop up. It;s forwarded message.

[snow tartan]

thoughts on G&H pack with adrenaline rush?

[subtle bluff]

G&H?

[snow tartan]

mb grupo sombra

[subtle bluff]

Just Grupo

[snow tartan]

also, pairing it with a vector and shotty absolutely makes my bui;d

[subtle bluff]

It’s not bad choice

[snow tartan]

along with imminence arms vest with obliderate

[subtle bluff]

If you pair with it with intimidate it’s really good if keep up the playstyle for it.

[subtle bluff]

There are better choices.

[snow tartan]

can u slide me some?

[subtle bluff]

All the different brandset are in the GDoc pinned messages.

[snow tartan]

k

[subtle bluff]

There’s named BP for Adrenaline Rush kind of harder to get but in what you’re doing would be good.

[snow tartan]

good to note

[subtle bluff]

So I’d say put grupo chest with that.

[tired ermine]

Does anyone have recommended built with memento? Just got it.

New player, SHD 371 - just aiming to at least go for challenging or heroic without that much trouble.

This is my current setup - the basic striker. It's just so squishy. For weapons, I have Backfire, Pestilence, Bluescreen

[solar sable]

You can just swap coyote's for striker's and run memento instead

IIRC that's how you set up memento for striker's

[tired ermine]

Got it, should I go more armor cores or just depends on preference?

What if I want to use backfire? Is it feasible with memento?

[solar sable]

preference, I just say that you should get better with positioning and abusing corners without vaulting so you can move freely

[solar sable]

kinda, but you'd need to play close-mid combat

[tired ermine]

Gotcha, what about the skills? I wanted the smart cover so I could just hunker down but unfortunately I don't have the DLC yet.

[solar sable]

rev hive ofc and foam chem/emp sticky (depends)

please be wrong on something, doomz

[subtle bluff]

Almost any build can run with it. Striker, HB, HF, some HE builds etc etc. Just remember what it does and if help your build.

[tired ermine]

Will try the first one - thanks!

[lofty panther]

What is another replacement for Memento for a HF Build

[bronze hound]

HF backpack

[hexed steppe]

High end bag with bloodsucker or adrenaline rush if thinking defense, wicked talent for damage

[young notch]

third stat on skill build weapons should be health dmg? if i use shotguns for dta?

[bronze hound]

damage to targets out of cover

[hexed steppe]

If it isnt oxi it wont matter

Mop fits good there for fire/explosive stuff

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the skill.

[young notch]

so dtoc>dta>dth for the most part

[hexed steppe]

dth isnt really considered

[subtle bluff]

Especially for skills.

[young notch]

im just asking for in order of if i have to

like the only other stat i see being useful is swap speed to proc any talents or blow up gas

[hasty sluice]

Rof can be used on capacitor to gain stacks 5% faster.

[subtle bluff]

There is no order because it depends on the skill your using.

[young notch]

ok when is the case of dta over dtoc?

[subtle bluff]

and some of it's the build.

Go look in the spreadsheet it shows it there

One is Mortar Turret DTA over DTTooC.

[shy willow]

Explosives and fire are affected by DTA so any skill involving those will be buffed respectively

[young notch]

i understand that

scenario wise dta is more effective on motar because your more likely targetting a stationary target, but dtoc isnt stronger to fire afflicted npcs why? are we not stunlocking them out of cover and just 100% effective dmg the whole duration vs like idk dta 80% effectiveness with 20% of being health?

[subtle bluff]

Mortar skill only scales with:
Skill Damage & DTA then anything talent or amps.

Same with the following skill in the gearsheet.

[young notch]

do status effects follow like a formula like : ((basexskill level)Skill dmg)(dta)(dtoc) per tick/ duration+(status effect) basically?

or is that different per effect too

[subtle bluff]

I'll just post it for you since you didn't want to go look for it.

I don't even understand what you try to type out there.

[young notch]

idk seems simple math to me take your base dmg (1) multiply it by skill level then by 1+skill dmg modifier then variables like dta and dtoc for tick dmg then duration+ status effect

[subtle bluff]

What are you trying to calculate here. You're not wrong in a sense it's not that hard but you are thinking of it in a different way.

[wraith orbit]

Anyone got a fun build that uses The Catalyst

[subtle bluff]

It's bugged atm. Nothing atm.

[wraith orbit]

Bugged how? damn that sucks haha

[young notch]

litterally im wondering the general formula so i can understand how status effect dmg is done, so i can build my own builds without being constantly refered to the spreadsheet and yk faciliate a conversation

like does bleed and fire have the same formula as vile yk

[subtle bluff]

First you need to under the basic you don't need formula for skills

Why we ask for the build

But also the spreadsheet shows the basics and you've may have overlooked them.

[hearty owl]

Yes they all share the same formula but have different base values. Bleed is significantly inferior to burn

[subtle bluff]

That's a MMR not Rifle.
Yes Hotshot works just make sure you land HS.

[subtle bluff]

Not the formula he's putting together.

[hearty owl]

I mean there’s no specific formula for status effects. It shares the same formula as everything else in the game. Base Damage x Amp1 x Amp2.. etc.

Except there are less Amps that buff status effects specifically

[subtle bluff]

Eh there is just no reason to math skill damage.

[hearty owl]

Stuff like PGC and Eclipse Bag are others

[young notch]

Im just trying to get an idea of whats multiplicative to dmg and whats additive

[hearty owl]

There is Mr Chow. There is the same math as there is to Weapon Damage lol.

[subtle bluff]

All Skill dmg or status effect. then amps

Well that has DPS too and people don't understand

[hearty owl]

Most things are amps although I forget how Skill Damage interacts with Status Effect damage. It may be additive to Status Effects itself, only buffing the damage and not the duration

[young notch]

Duration is static ok

[hearty owl]

Yeah pretty much dependent on Status Effect attribute and the base duration. Some skills apply a longer effect like Airburster

And then OD bag is the other one that buffs bleed duration

but overall bleed is underwhelming and burn is usually the way to go on damage oriented Status builds

I had a sheet that compared the burn duration from different sources but it's super old and I'll have to dig it up and update it as things likely changed

think it had base damage too

[young notch]

Nice knowing this lets me decide better skills more effective in ep support build choosing haste more then status

[hearty owl]

iirc Ignited/Flame Turret > Firestarter > Burn Sticky > Airburster in terms of burn damage

Airburster being the strongest**

[young notch]

Weird that they dont use all the same

[hearty owl]

Yeah I mean the Airburster is so clunky it's basically unusable so it's only fair that it gets an OP burn lol

assuming it actually hits something

[young notch]

I haven’t used it in years but isnt just like mortar aim somewhere and pray it hits

[hearty owl]

yep lol

[young notch]

Most of the dmg is the seeker explosion followed by a burn effect. Im assuming the explosion isnt affected by status effect % if its coded as like fire dmg or something?

[hearty owl]

There was also an update that kinda screwed status builds btw. Basically every consecutive application of a status has its duration halved or something

[young notch]

Is that still the case

[hearty owl]

So if you burn something, it wears off, the next burn you apply within a short time (not sure how long) will have its duration halved

It was an update specifically for PvP but it ended up affecting the entire game-- NPCs and even ourselves

(which is how negating Backfire bleed actually works btw)

[young notch]

So ep will just burn a dude for 1.5 instead of 2x length

Im assuming it doesnt care the source of application like dude 1 and 2 do it kind of thing

[hearty owl]

yeah im not exactly certain how much is penalized but it looked to be halved every consecutive application

yeah it doesn't care

it's target based, not source

[oak python]

What's stats should I mainly focus on wep dmg/crit hit/dmg?

[hearty owl]

and I could be wrong about the status being halved, the NPC might actually just get an immunity buff for that effect that increases with every application

don't know how it's implemented

[young notch]

Crit chance till 50 chd all after hsd if your a baller

[oak python]

Baller?

[young notch]

Lebron

[subtle bluff]

CHC (Crit hit chance) up to 54% then the rest into CHD (Crit hit damage)
It mostly depend on your build

[young notch]

If you can hit your headshots consistently basically

[subtle bluff]

WTF no

[oak python]

Ok

[young notch]

Do npcs have varying amounts of resist too? Or flat line 0 and heavies just dont get applied till armours off

[bronze patio]

rec build for gr9?

[solar sable]

What a great way to spread misinformation.

[subtle bluff]

plz don't listen to sin he's telling the wrong stuff

[young notch]

Are they not additive to eachother

Only thing ive ever heard or read is that chd is better because its not location dependent and not skill reliant

[solar sable]

wha...

[shy willow]

Crit damage and headshot damage are additive yes, but if you're building into chc why would you waste slots on HSD

One or the other tis simple

[subtle bluff]

Strikers? Honestly it's not that great of a LMG

[subtle bluff]

If you don't know plz stop trying to help others

[vocal void]

I'm looking for a decent build with armour and DMG is there such thing? 😂 I'm using heartbreaker set at the moment with random gloves

[meager fog]

These guys know alot more than me b ut i'm using 4pc strikers battle set with 2 pieces of Belstone armoury atm for armour regen. Works well for now but i'm not in any way a veteran lmao

[vocal void]

I'm trying to do the pento powerplant main mission and literally it's impossible, I'm assuming I need to do that to get to the new dlc missions but literally I get owned straight away so I think my build isn't up to scratch at all

[solar sable]

what? No
It's a team based mode, matchmake Challenging Countdown

[vocal void]

I've tried I can't seem to get a game

[hexed steppe]

They act different and can both be dipped for something like fire, but idk if they have seperate buckets. Iirc skill damage is slightly stronger but doesnt contribute to the duration like status effects does. When I was messing around with memento eclipse, having short /long buff procced (120%sd/120%se) had me hitting on par with the ep bag 30%amp in same setup.

[vocal void]

What's the shortcut to show overview of all you have equipped?

[solar sable]

are you matchmaking Countdown or Pentco Manhunt?

[hexed steppe]

Like build? Hit i

[solar sable]

yeah, no. Go to Matchmake in your map and select Countdown > Challenging.

[hushed gorge]

somehow the servers are still not down haha

[vocal void]

I tried previously but I couldn't get anyone to join it

Only way I'd matchmake was heroic

[hushed gorge]

are you talking about countdown?

[solar sable]

yes

[meager fog]

Seems someone went to the toilet and forgot to turn off the servers lol

[hushed gorge]

you can get matches on challenging and heroic

[subtle bluff]

It's going down they take their time.

[hushed gorge]

i guess you are right lol
its been 8 minutes

[subtle bluff]

If you're on PC use Win+Shift+S

[vocal void]

I bought the new dlc assuming I'd be able to go straight into it not realising I've not completed all the missions so it's down as a main mission on my map but when I go to matchmake nobody joins unless I choose heroic and I just get absolutely paggered every time

[shy willow]

?

[meager fog]

Huzzah...down go the servers

[shy willow]

You simply travel to Brooklyn and that kicks off the dlc

[hushed gorge]

after 9 mins,damn

[meager fog]

Servers up when? 😏

[vocal void]

It doesn't allow me to, it takes me to the pilot and there's no option in there so I guessed it could be because I've not finished the other missions

[hushed gorge]

since ubisoft has said 3 hrs,expect 4-5 hrs to restore the servers

[subtle bluff]

wrong pilot

[hushed gorge]

are they gonna fix the catalyst mask?

[solar sable]

What does this say? #server-status

[hushed gorge]

can you give me the changelog link?

[subtle bluff]

#patch-notes

[hushed gorge]

thnx

[subtle bluff]

id:browse

[hushed gorge]

but the latest link isnt any patch notes,its just y7s1 showcase

[vocal void]

That's the pilot it takes me to, I'm not 100% on this game

[bronze patio]

any rec lmg?

[solar sable]

Then there's no changes. Did you read what the post on server status mentioned?

[meager fog]

one that goes BRRRR

[solar sable]

rec as in recommended??

[bronze patio]

yes

i'm still using the gr9

[subtle bluff]

What's the build.

[graceful blaze]

Hey, i know its not a specific question and might be weird to explain but well..

Havent played in the last 2-3 seasons and now my builds seen to be hitting all time lows and totally inconsistent values.

Striker, Ongoing and HB builds hit way less than I remember meaning I used to hit 1.2mil+
Now hitting anywhere from 300-700k for a reason I couldnt find.

Ongoing also weird, sometimes I hit 192k crit (no idea how) and sometimes more than a mil to body (surely not armor and health diff)

Can anyone explain what happened or why could there be such high spread in values? Especially with ongoing.. 3-400k difference between shots make no sense since its not even stack based

+edit: every mentioned value is solo, without coyote and other team based buffs

[cerulean smelt]

you know about modifiers? could be what makes you feel strong and your damage drops depending what you see?

[graceful blaze]

I mean I saw the modifiers but I refuse to believe the modifiers "fix" the spread. I agree that some will buff the dmg but other than that I dont think thats the key

[shy willow]

Would help to send pics of the build

[cerulean smelt]

you didn't fall for the turmoil thing did you?

[graceful blaze]

The builds are godrolled crit builds of the gearsets I mentioned but doesnt really matter since the point was that I have less and inconsistent damage with the same build as before

[graceful blaze]

Missed the kneepad drop, came back about 2 weeks ago

[cerulean smelt]

would depend on what gearset pieces you put in we coudl probably pinpoint why stuff drops and why things increase

[subtle bluff]

OD got a buff a few seasons ago.

[graceful blaze]

Well, I will send pics and ping you and Naval this afternoon.. But my stupid brain still cant understand how the same build does 30% less dmg than before. Thanks for the help tho!

[cerulean smelt]

you builds may have fallen into this category
https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/6xHUrSJ9z828rDyJSwzG2V/year-6-season-2-shades-of-red#_REWORK_AND_UPDATES

[subtle bluff]

Otherwise, we need a reference of the build to see.

[cerulean smelt]

ah 2 parts of this apparently
https://trello.com/c/qppi7bfc

[strong cave]

As stupid as it sounds, but the enemies seem to be hitting extremely hard compared to last seasons. Even my high armor builds get absolutely shredded. Maybe it's a skill issue, maybe devs made silent enemy buffs without telling us, who knows. Is it just me or have any of you noticed this too?

[subtle bluff]

none here

A lot more noobs in leggo...

[cerulean smelt]

i'm always on all fours or hugging the floor regradlessly

[subtle bluff]

You don't know what I saw in this last one..

[strong cave]

You think leggo bad? Go to countdown. It took me 18 matchmaking attempts before I actually got 1 successful clear of CD in an efficient manner

EIGHTEEN.

[hazy steeple]

TMI

[strong cave]

Ayo pause...

[solar sable]

you may become the physical explanation of skill issue /j

[subtle bluff]

In another discord I was trying to help someone jsut get striker so he can farm CD and this other guys is just was saying no let him farm lengmo build on a bad build...

[strong cave]

That's really how it feels deadass 😭😭

[hazy steeple]

DLC brings in new players > new players are told to "just farm countdown, it's easy > new players bring bad build to countdown because they're told to farm there > new players die in countdown and make it slower > people who told them to go there come on here to complain.

[meager fog]

In the immortal words of John O'Driscoll. "Can everyone stop getting shot!"

[strong cave]

Sounds like the heartbreaker stans that use Closer chest piece and try to argue that it does "more damage" than having the HB chest. They all fail to realize their survivability also comes from more stacks, which the chest gives more of. They wouldn't know this of course bc they usually run 6 blue cores

[cerulean smelt]

no, take cover get shot, move to full cover get shot go to safe house get shot

[solar sable]

oh come on that should've stayed, rivens

[meager fog]

Literally just described the official discord for every game ever lmao

[hazy steeple]

I was sooooo tempted.

[subtle bluff]

The issue with the people that don't want to be part of the "meta" even they don't understand this game.

[strong cave]

Nah like it's so bad now that people don't even play as a group. They run off and immediately begin doing an objective (VIP no less.......). Then when they die, an overwhelming majority just leave. I am shd 14k and the overwhelming majority levels I see are in between SHD 1-600. Most of the time I'm the highest level, moreso than the whole CD group combined. I can understand lower level players but when it's the higher level players acting like this as well, and it's all you ever see-

It's just sad. It's like nobody knows how to play CD no more. It's a bit ridiculous having to be the "leader" thru every CD run just so I can farm efficiently. I got so tired of this ongoing issue I left to spend 2 hours in summit just to get the piece I needed. Love new players, love returning players, but damn they really don't explain CD to newbies at all

[meager fog]

I'm new to the game. The words "Tom Clancy" have put me off every game ever since the first Ghost Recon when I was like 11 years old. That game was impossibly hard 🤣

[hazy steeple]

@meager fog If it helps, he hasn't been involved with any of the games since 2008.

[strong cave]

Rainbow six Vegas 2 was part of my childhood 😩

[meager fog]

All I remember about that first game is that there was a sniper somewhere at the very first part of the first level that shot me in the head 100% of the time and I never found him lmao

Never played another game with his name on it because of the trauma lmao

[cerulean smelt]

i'd bet it was rivens (> <)

[strong cave]

My dad and I played the hell out of it. I went and bought it for PC and the difficulty went way up

[hazy steeple]

I did play a lot of Ghost Recon back when I still had my OG pc.

[meager fog]

I was 18 when that released lmao....I was interested in other stuff at that point

[cerulean smelt]

think i never really played a tom clancy's game until division, then saw things like ghost recon going on sale and bought it tried it quickly but was like i'll go back to division

[strong cave]

You making me feel like a fetus rn 😭😭

[hazy steeple]

Don't think about the fact that it was 17 years ago.

It's almost old enough to drink.

[strong cave]

I didn't jump back into TC's games until Division 2. Last one I played before Div 2 was Vegas 2. Funny enough I started on Division 2 and went back for Division 1. Found myself back on Division 2 bc Division 1 is pretty dead

[meager fog]

Don't... I'm at the age now where new lads at work are half my age... it feels horrible

[cerulean smelt]

really did die after division2 was announced really

[strong cave]

In EU, definitely. Here in the states, it's got another 4 years to go

[hazy steeple]

In Aus: it's more like it's the age where you have to change pubs because the guy is about to find out that you weren't really 18 before.

[meager fog]

When you're talking about VHS and DVDs and they haven't a clue what you're talking about 😂

[cerulean smelt]

hell, 1 to 2 years ago AARP keeps sending crap and i'm like chill i'm not even considered elder yet!

[strong cave]

Meanwhile in the states people just use 3rd party:

[peak meadow]

I still use my 20 year old iPod 5.5 gen

[cerulean smelt]

it's really bad when you talk about cassette tapes 👀

[strong cave]

Are you actually joking? How.... I'm only 22 and I already feel old bc of the newer generation... My childhood was that stuff

[meager fog]

I was going in one pub at 15 and my Dad told them I was 18....went in on my 18th birthday and got barred 🤣

[strong cave]

Wait until you say "Nintendo DS" or "Game Boy Advanced"

[cerulean smelt]

atari?

[strong cave]

AYE

[cerulean smelt]

you know that thing they remade with roms in it? (> <)

[meager fog]

My first console was the NES....

[hazy steeple]

master system here.

[peak meadow]

I still play on my Gameboy color.

[strong cave]

Mine happened to be PS2. I did get to experience older consoles tho. Born '03 but mostly had stuff from the '90s

[cerulean smelt]

Commodore Vic 20

[cerulean smelt]

was you into Final Fantasy Tactics?

[meager fog]

DAMN GRANDPA

[strong cave]

I was not. Heavily into Killzone, Crash Bandicoot, Jak games (I'm heavily on Jak X Combat Racing for my emulator), GTA, and NFS Underground 1/2

[cerulean smelt]

yes, internet didn't really exist, we could ride in the back of a pick up truck bed, watched movies outside on a big screen

[hazy steeple]

okay cleetus.

[meager fog]

Lmao

I'm happily part of the generation that existed in both worlds.

Pre Internet was fantastic

[cerulean smelt]

to be fair though, i'd love to goto a drive in movie again. got a good stereo system so i think i'd be going home rattled XD

[mental zealot]

Would anyone have advice for a new player rocking chameleon 👉👈

[cerulean smelt]

don't recall as a kid having to be too careful of strangers right?

[meager fog]

Keep HP above 1 at all times

[strong cave]

I was very tail end of that gen. Internet was huge in I wanna say early '93-'95. My household with my family didn't get it till about '09-'10. Wasn't big for us until online gaming went big

[meager fog]

Nah, we used to get cigarettes and booze from a known "weirdo" then egg his house and run away

[strong cave]

Post the current build you're using

[cerulean smelt]

now a days it's odd that there are times we just hear our phones go off on silver or amber alerts periodically

[subtle bluff]

still want my halo zune?

[strong cave]

You get amber alerts? I have that turned off...

[peak meadow]

Nah

[mental zealot]

Servers are down 😅 but I'm currently rocking striker with chameleon and all my striker is fully maxed armour, armour regen and headshot damage

[solar sable]

oh no

[strong cave]

Swap to crit

[peak meadow]

Not the headshot damage

[cerulean smelt]

maybe that' why kelso had to go?

[strong cave]

Chameleon gives crit buffs. HSD is ass

[meager fog]

We had dial up in the late 90s, played alot of AoE2.

Unreal Tournament LAN parties were awesome

[subtle bluff]

Body proc is actually big jump then Headshot proc

[strong cave]

Ah yes, the dial up 54k modems were satisfying... Until the "Kchhchchclclc" sound 😂

[mental zealot]

Oooh okay, will do and I also use memento for regen which is good?