td2-build-advice

[zenith plover]

Btw what is this set?

[subtle bluff]

Simple if anyone gets CC more than one it's diminishing the effect at 3 they immune.

[simple haven]

Hard Wired

when you use a skill, 30 seconds of timer is taken off of the cooldown of the other skill, with like... I want to say 10 second CD?

[zenith plover]

Cause im currently working on my library, but can you do heroic even if ur attributes are not maxed out??

[subtle bluff]

You'd be amazed what you can do to be able to clear a heroic.

[simple haven]

You can do heroic with a skill build using nothing but a sawed off shotgun (no actual skill use)

Doesn't mean it's a -good- idea

[subtle bluff]

I actually enjoy using HW build w/BTSU resto hive and a cluster mine.

[slate spoke]

the biggest factor is haivng the correct attribute before having it high roll imo

[simple haven]

3/3 chest and backpack pieces
I've been farming for some ever since the game launched, and not yet found them

[slate spoke]

a friend of mine has the same setup but with all true patriot. i'm suprised how well it works for the team. little trickle heal under the bonus armor.

[simple haven]

even with hundreds of Countdowns...

[slate spoke]

here is another wacky build for skill health decoy.

[zenith plover]

Its really hard to get max rolls for my library, how do u max out ur exotica attributes? Optimizing?

[slate spoke]

i got 50 melee skills in legendary with it once

[zenith plover]

Until maxed out

[simple haven]

Exotics? Just optimize them, life's too short

library max rolls, you'll just naturally accumulate

Rogue agent drops and field prof caches seem to drop max rolls for your library way more often than other sources, but you can't really intentionally grind the former and the latter, well, they come naturally

[slate spoke]

look for the chevron on gear

[zenith plover]

Alright so maybe ill stop countdown for now to avoid the burnout and do my shd levels

[simple haven]

Please, lol, for the love of god, don't get hardlocked into doing nothing but CD even if it's "most efficient"

[zenith plover]

Thanks at least i most of the reds maxed out

[simple haven]

Most people I know have the good sense to get bored with it after like two runs back to back at most

Don't go full MMO-head "I -have- to play most efficiently!!!!!!" and then do nothing but CDs until you get bored and quit entirely

[zenith plover]

Im just increasing my attribute rolls since i just cleared the main story and just came out of hard diffculty running challenging rn with two directive thanks to the memento haha

Ill start the main story missions for battle for brookly later

Whats the stat cap for critical hit damage?

[simple haven]

no cap, CHC is the only capped stat (unless you want to count status condition resistances which, well, don't do anything past 100%, obviously)

[subtle bluff]

Lol.. I had a RMM guy with this and commented about it... We were in Leggo Tidal his group didn't do mucht to say the least.
But that build makes more sense.

But I should of said that better, pretty much the only cap is CHC.

[zenith plover]

Alright i see thanks cause i might be pumping my chc too much so i need to know the cap so i can balance it out

[subtle bluff]

for CHC if you don't have a coyotes in the team you want to get has close has you can to 60% without going over.

[zenith plover]

I already have a cayote

[subtle bluff]

otherwise 50-54% if you have a Coyotes.

[zenith plover]

So i think around 52 to 55% would be the sweet spot depending on what talents you get since it caps out at 60%

What would be the essential tasks to do daily and weekly?

[simple haven]

Just whatever projects are reasonable for your time, for the exotic components, as you need a gorillion of them for high expertise
I thought I had enough exotic components.

I did not, in fact, have enough exotic components.

[subtle bluff]

Don't forget priority objectives.

[simple haven]

hm, what else did daily/weekly projects give then that made me mentally say "try to do this before prio objectives"

Oh I know, the Summit and legendary caches, but honestly those aren't even that big of a deal

if you need proper exotic drops you can just run... ugh, more countdowns for them

so it's like

[zenith plover]

But where do u get alloys for optimizing and tinkering

[simple haven]

Division isn't really a timegated game, honestly

[zenith plover]

Thats why i love the game cause its not timegated

[simple haven]

Green/blue materials? honestly, "play the game"

running around an open world zone that has targetted loot of something you want to tinker with, should give you plenty

[subtle bluff]

If you check my bio there's a url to yt Playlist. There's a good video to open world resource farm guide that I use to use.

[copper holly]

Is the measured assembly gear set any good

Or any of the new exotics

[simple haven]

Eating enemy skills is the funniest thing ever to watch but the application is very specific

It's like

• group
• summit
• rogue agent encounter

There's probably some funny raid/incursion usage it might trivalize, no mission is really mean enough to warrant needing it

[copper holly]

Ok thanks

[zenith plover]

I also think shd levels increase naturally as well you dont need to have it rushed as well

But what is the fastest way?

[magic pilot]

Turmoil got patched

[silver hound]

Open world activities (public executions etc) on Heroic difficulty with as many directives as you can handle. You can also combine open world with Priority Missions, sometime the reward is extra XP (exotics are nice too)

[simple haven]

DZ landmarks, -if- you can get an instance that is quiet and doesn't have a guy looking to bully you for PVP content, are also remarkably fast XP

also amazing source of field survey data, which is sa huge bottleneck

[terse scroll]

what builds have you guys been running through Brooklyn?
I ended up swapping between:

• Determined HF Pistol Build
• Striker with EB
• skill build for the journey's

[simple haven]

I did some of the missions on a 3/3 red/blue Tip of the Spear build, just so I could flame the Cleaners to be ironic

[magic pilot]

This is the fastest until you get up to other shenanigans

summit

[kind sluice]

any advice for a build to take down the Rat Queen on heroic solo? Tried many times but my OP Pestilence build isn't strong enough for the boss.
Had to do it on hard mode instead

[sullen night]

If a pure DPS doesn't cut it (or isn't your playstyle) I recommend a Heartbreaker build, they're fairly forgiving since it gives you alot of tank and damage at the same time, albeit not as much DPS as a meta DPS build

[slate spoke]

ouch, i had trouble taking down that boss even with striker solo.

[faint ocean]

Did Brooklyn introduce new gear sets? And if so, has anyone found cool combos for them.

[faint ocean]

Fully subscribe to this. Its been my default build.

[rough thistle]

This alr for Brooklyn ?

[solar sable]

you can play with whatever you want but that right there is awful

[rough thistle]

Yeah I’m working at my build but can’t find a game in countdown

[solar sable]

too many people trying the dlc atm

[rough thistle]

Want to make this

[solar sable]

nice choice but, instead of Fenris vest use Ceska with Obliterate

and no Eagle Burger
choose between Elmo's, Iron Lung and Backfire depending on what you're running with the build

[magic pilot]

Or police m4

Brazen>optimist

[solar sable]

and take advice from these awesome guys ↑

[rough thistle]

Yeah I’m gonna use my Elmo’s

[rough thistle]

Ceska with obliterate?

[hearty cloak]

since Measured Assembly gives skill tier per teammate, should i just change some of them from yellow to red or blue cores? like is there a point having more than like 4 yellow cores with it?

[solar sable]

Ceska Vyroba brand
Vest Talent: Obliterate

Attributes: Crit DMG and Crit Chance.
Make your way to: as close as 60% CHC (between 52-57 is good) and 110%+ CHD.

[magic pilot]

It's hard to say atm

I would play around with it. See what works for you

[hearty cloak]

think it would work well with btsu gloves or nah?

[rough thistle]

Where can I find it ? Targeted loot? Summit, countdown? If I can matchmake

[sullen night]

Countdown is the quickest way to farm gear (I also find it the most boring, but if you don't mind it's your best bet)

[loud pine]

its from hardcore iron horse only ceska

[rough thistle]

Can I do
Summit solo? Or no

[solar sable]

yes

[rough thistle]

Cuz I can’t find games because everyone is playing dlc

[sullen night]

Summit Heroic is very soloable

[solar sable]

he's shd 11. He can't handle heroic yet.

[rough thistle]

Alr let’s give it a go

I’m just playing challenging

[sullen night]

Ah ok, just go down in difficulty until you get a decent loadout together

[hazy steeple]

@rough thistle Challenging is very doable at a lower level, you got this, Agent

[magic pilot]

If you are getting to the 6th skill tier yes

[untold fulcrum]

Have the builds evolved at all since I played like 2-3 years ago?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[lucid pier]

anyone got recommendations for an AR build? someone told me like 2 years ago to aim for coyote mask, fox's knees, contractor gloves, 1 ceska, 1 grupo, 1 fenris, and thats primarily what ive been trying to grind out

what gun should i use? i have chameleon, which i want to use because its really cool

[sullen night]

Just be aware that Chameleon is very low range, so you won't do much if you stay in medium distance like you can with most ARs, aside from that it's pretty good if you can juggle the buffs. For builds I'd just have a look at the pinned google doc, it has quite a few builds to check out

[magic pilot]

striker
@lucid pier

Figured it out!

[lucid pier]

can i use this with chameleon?

[untold fulcrum]

So its not just Eaglebearer now?

[vestal ibex]

EB is pretty meh.

Also might be easier to just refer to the build guides in the spreadsheet that's pinned in this channel.

[manic idol]

hi all, is perfect companion still viable with companion as a build?

[zenith plover]

Any suggested starting builds to do at least 1 directive on heroic??

[vestal ibex]

No, this was patched out like a year ago.

[manic idol]

thanks mate! got henri drop for me, thought i could use it

[vestal ibex]

Tons of builds in the pinned spreadsheet can accomplish that easy. Player skill becomes a factor with more directives but almost any good build can do all directive heroic.

Some of those would be OD, Strikers, Nego, Hunters fury, Sniper setups, for starters. They are also pretty easy to build.

[rough thistle]

Can I stay afk somehow in summit cus I need to go and I don’t want to start over later

[magic pilot]

Hold the W key down and walk into a corner

[rough thistle]

I play ps5

[zenith plover]

Sniper, are these the hotshot marksman builds? Or hunter's fury??

[vestal ibex]

Yes.

[rough thistle]

So I can turn off the game ?

[vestal ibex]

Really it's the head hunter talent that is doing all the work and you can go for either one. Hots is better if you wanna sit back and pop people from afar and hunters fury is better if you wanna be up close.

[vestal ibex]

You have a checkpoint every three floors.

[magic pilot]

Uhhh no

[brisk hollow]

This

[magic pilot]

Misinformation detected

[rough thistle]

So I’m now on floor 10 so later if I get on I start back at 9?

[brisk hollow]

You are right, sorry, I will remove the post

[magic pilot]

All good!

[magic pilot]

F10 has a checkpoint

[rough thistle]

So I can turn off my game here

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, descent is the only game mode where you don't have any save/checkpoints.

[rough thistle]

And can I even go back to dc?

[brisk hollow]

Yes, summit will remember your last savepoint

[rough thistle]

Thanks guys

[urban latch]

When you open your map it will show which floor you have currently checkpointed if you were to quit right then.

[dreamy valve]

I’m loving this season and dlc since it fits right into my bruiser build playstyle. I get a tingling sensation in my ears whenever the massive bonus armor kicks in

[zenith plover]

Ok ill try to find one in youtube, isnt this hard to build??

[main estuary]

ok so I'm doing a stealthy sniper build... Would the cloak knee pads and the exodious gloves be a good choice?

also im running the mantis

[vestal ibex]

Please do not youtube.

[main estuary]

why?

[vestal ibex]

There are well written good build guides in the pinned spreadsheet.

[main estuary]

yea but what if he doesnt like them? youtube is a good alturnative tbf

[vestal ibex]

Becasue youtube is for entertainment and you'll struggle to find actual good builds.

[hazy steeple]

It is absolutely not.

[main estuary]

explain

[honest moss]

Youtuber: this build is insane.
The build: 6 piece aegis.

[vestal ibex]

Youtube build guides are there to engage you and gain clicks and comments.

[main estuary]

i mean one of my best pvp builds came from yt.

obviously dont copy it directly, i just use yt as a base for a buld then mix my onw thing into it

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is a very complex beast, it's incredibly "mathy".
It's very easy to make a mistake when math is the most important part of a guide.
Either accidentally or on purpose; mistakes often happen. And one small one will snowball.

[vestal ibex]

You came here for help and you are refusing it. I wish you the best luck.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah sorry folks, that's gonna be a hard pass on bringing up that drama.

[honest moss]

Anyone worked out a final measure loadout or such? Currently using 4 piece (bag) btsu and empathetic resolve. This is a healer/support one but i think when i can i am slotting in some reds.

[magic pilot]

PvP builds are entirely subjective

[main estuary]

i havent even cracked into dv 2 final mesure yet sorry

[main estuary]

wdym subjective?

[hazy steeple]

Not definitive.

"iffy"

[main estuary]

ohhh

[honest moss]

No worries, just tryna get input

[vestal ibex]

PVP builds are just countering builds.

[onyx sage]

rock paper scissors * 6

[main estuary]

well kinda but not really

[vestal ibex]

There is always a counter to a build that will play into a weakness or negate it.

If that weren't the case you'd only have 1 PVP build.

[magic pilot]

"My best" is not the next persons best

[magic pilot]

That's exactly what it is

[dreamy valve]

The best DZ build is 4v1

[main estuary]

pvp is for trying out new builds. i dont activly try to counter people just because mine is inforior. i dont play to win i play to learn

[magic pilot]

Regen, shotgun, pesti, umbra. They all counter each other in some way

[onyx sage]

pvp is where sweatlords with meta builds look for people like you to kill lol

[magic pilot]

Eventually you'll learn pvp has a meta for a reason lol

You can make other stuff work don't get me wrong, there's still a large skill gap in PvP

[main estuary]

yea. thats why i get the best i can with a build and if that doesnt work i try a diffrent one. i wont inspect them then scrap together a build to counter thet just in spite of them, that just petty and weird

[hazy steeple]

There's a reason youtubers keep pushing the "use whatever build you like" line, lol.

[onyx sage]

"if that doesnt work i try a diffrent one"

this is what countering is

[hazy steeple]

it's called seeding the field.

[main estuary]

no...

[onyx sage]

you don't have to be inspecting them to counter them

the fact that you die to their build and use a different one to negate their strengths is literally countering

[main estuary]

countering is like using hazmat to counter somone with st elmos. i wont take the cheap way out. ill actually try.

[onyx sage]

then you're just banking on them to have a skill gap in using that same build, which only works if they do have that skill gap

[main estuary]

well ig i do counter ppl but i wont HARD COUNTER with a build thats basicly useless aginst other people

[onyx sage]

let's just stop moving the goalposts and call it what it is

[main estuary]

like i dont create build to counter ONE spisific person then the build sucks aginst somone else

ok:]

[hazy steeple]

Using caps mid-sentence is just making me think of that one bit in the first Austin Powers.

"im sorry, i seem to be having trouble controlling the VOLUME OF MY VOICE".

Highly recommend thinking of that when someone starts a rant up, makes it way funnier.

mod sanity tip #32.

[main estuary]

"i want my baby back baby back baby back baby back baby back ribs

[dreamy valve]

I think adapting to an opponent is a very viable strategy. Just because you won’t use every tool at your disposal to overcome a challenge doesn’t mean someone else won’t and they will

[main estuary]

THATS WHY I SWITCH MY BUILD EVERYTIME I FIGHT SOMONE JS INCASE THEY TRY TO COUNTER ME

im talking abt in dz btw

[dreamy valve]

Evolve or die

[main estuary]

Evolve? Die? I reject them BOTH!

[dreamy valve]

Gotta leave the bathroom sorry

[main estuary]

LEAVE??!!

[magic pilot]

You think players are building loadouts after dying to someone in dz and then going back to fight them?

[main estuary]

its happened to me way to many times

i gave in and became a forever changing rubix cube

[magic pilot]

Yea I think they just swap loadouts lol

[onyx sage]

how about some players already having all of these builds before going in in the first place?

[magic pilot]

Kinda like rock paper scissors....

[onyx sage]

you're just taking the long way around of actually grasping what pvp meta is

[main estuary]

Meta? I reject it!

[magic pilot]

Hopefully you are a really really good pvp player

[onyx sage]

you literally are discovering the meta by doing all the crap you're doing

[main estuary]

i wil NEVER do somthing js bc its socally "good" for now

[magic pilot]

So none of the loadouts you have are good?

[urban latch]

ok so whats your common go-to pvp build then?

[main estuary]

...your gunna laugh

[urban latch]

too late

[main estuary]

im never revealing my pvp builds 😔

[onyx sage]

i mean we're already laughing at your claim of hating meta then proceeding to approaching meta anyway

[main estuary]

js know they work

[main estuary]

explain

[urban latch]

is it because they are good or because they are bad?

[onyx sage]

every time you're trying to improve your gear, anywhere whether it's in pve or pvp, you're getting closer to meta

[main estuary]

oh they r good, js not accepted by the dv comunity

[main estuary]

define meta

[urban latch]

are you choosing things to put into a specific build because it benefits you, or are you intentionally trying to nerf yourself by intentionally making poor choices?

[onyx sage]

i mean you're supposed to know that right

most effective tactics available

[main estuary]

the first one

[onyx sage]

yeah that is approaching meta

[main estuary]

yea no

[onyx sage]

?

[main estuary]

let me explain

[urban latch]

ok, so thats meta gaming something. We can argue about the degree of it, or how effective those choices are, but thats what meta gaming is, aka a meta build

[main estuary]

nono ik that what meta is

i dont do that.

[onyx sage]

do you think meta is only the builds that most people run?

[urban latch]

theres no pride in being "non-meta", all that means is your actively avoiding making good build choices

[main estuary]

is a good example of meta "OMG this new overpowered build just got revaled and now everyone is using it"

[narrow bough]

My Backfire build. Now i discovered Hollow Man mask and i wanna get it.

[onyx sage]

common builds and meta builds are not the same

[urban latch]

the secret to a backfire build is realizing that putting haz pro on it is a complete waste

[onyx sage]

the average player runs revive hive and shield with coyote striker with ceska

it's common, but is it meta?

[hexed steppe]

Yaahl is for sale at clan vendor this week so you can technically buy some for Mats and craft what you need 😉

[narrow bough]

what do you mean?

[main estuary]

say meta is nomad in dv1 and im using d3fnc or somthing. im not gunna drop d3fnc, imma improve my d3fnc untill i can beat nomad

if EVERYONE followed meta, NOTHING would be diffrent

[narrow bough]

you can craft hollow man mask?

[main estuary]

"most effective tactics avalible" implies that ONE THING and ONTHING ALONE is best in the ENTIRE game

[urban latch]

when you build up backfire stacks you'll stop bleeding. If your in a situation thats good for the backfire you'll be maintaining backfire stacks and the haz pro is only making you less effective. If its really needed because you cant maintain those backfire stacks and keep bleeding, then your better off using another build for that situation

[hexed steppe]

If you have the bp. But other non hollowman pieces can be craft and a but more useful/flexible

[onyx sage]

no, meta isn't just one build lmao

[simple haven]

as someone who's peeking into this, "common" and "meta" are often used interchangeably, because something "common" is making up a large share of the "meta game"

But others use "meta" purely a descriptor of quality/power, even in situations where what's being run by a large number of players is actually subpar

I've played some full loot MMOs, for example, where builds commonly used by players actually are pretty bad in terms of power (but have other redeeming factors, such as availability/low cost)

[urban latch]

meta is not an acronym. it does not imply 1 single thing. Anyone who says theres 1 single "meta" pvp build has no idea what they are talking about

[narrow bough]

but you cannot stop reloading your weapon

[main estuary]

you kinda said it was

[urban latch]

once you reload 3 times or reach max stacks, you will no longer bleed on reloads

[onyx sage]

nope, "countering meta" literally implies you have a rotation of builds to counter whatever people run

[main estuary]

YOU WONT?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[simple haven]

yeah, you get diminishing returns on your own self bleed, which works in your favor

[main estuary]

omg maybe i should pick back fire back up

[onyx sage]

my advice to people has always been "the content dictates the build", that would contradict the claim of you saying meta = only one build

[main estuary]

and "meta: infers that onle thing alone is the best

[urban latch]

its one of the strongest guns in the game, in the right situation its very meta

[subtle bluff]

0.o

[onyx sage]

no, you implying that on your own is your own fault

[main estuary]

"most effective tactic available"

[vestal ibex]

When backfire bleed explanation vid?

[simple haven]

That is not what meta means and I hate it so much.

[main estuary]

its not?

[simple haven]

Absolutely not.

[main estuary]

that guy said it was

[narrow bough]

so i will shoot one bullet, reload, second bullet, reload, third bullet, reload and i no bleed?

[simple haven]

"most effective tactic available" is a backronym that completely fails to capture what the word actually means

[subtle bluff]

Since I'm new here to this. What the "meta" build were talking about?

[urban latch]

go to the range and try it out.

[main estuary]

right here

[onyx sage]

you come in with your own suppositions and contradict yourself, we didn't say anything close to what you're claiming

[onyx sage]

where does this imply "one build"?

[main estuary]

what does it ACTUALLY mean?

[urban latch]

we have no idea because the term is nearly meaningless and no single build has been put forth by them as an example

[main estuary]

the word "most". two thing cannot both be "most" at the same time

[onyx sage]

okay this is your own fault in assuming this is true

[main estuary]

unless they are EXACTLY thesmae

same

[urban latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[magic pilot]

You have to hit at least 1 bullet before reloading but yes

[halcyon sage]

any good build to use im only shd lvel like 2

[onyx sage]

what's heavier: a kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers?

[main estuary]

thats answered nothing

[magic pilot]

Who cares about the semantics just show the damn build already

[simple haven]

"metagame" at its core simply refers to understanding "the game on a larger scale than you, alone". Something that is making up "a large portion of the metagame", means what players are commonly running. This is often correlates to, but is not -necessarily-, related to how effective or powerful something is.

Often what is common in the metagame is something convenient, easy, or fun, even if it isn't necessarily "the best". Now, if something is easy -and- effective, it tends to fill the metagame; but this is not inherent to the definition of what the metagame is.

[main estuary]

neither. they are both a kilo

[magic pilot]

We are just going in circles now

[onyx sage]

there you go

[main estuary]

?

[onyx sage]

they are not the same, but in the aspect that matters, they are the same

[vestal ibex]

Oh hey prod, when it comes to turmoil do they not transfer to random chungas now too or?

[subtle bluff]

You need to bleed yourself 3 times is the idea.

[urban latch]

the very idea of making "a build", something that brings multiple things together to work coherently, that is meta gaming

[magic pilot]

Not sure on that

[vestal ibex]

In quick secession.

[main estuary]

give me an ingame example where you can apply this reasoni9nbg]

[magic pilot]

Can we just see the build you are running instead of discussing terminology you aren't gonna use correctly either way

[main estuary]

if THATS what "meta" is, i have no problem aginst it. i have a problem aginst ppl saying 1 thing is the best.

[onyx sage]

i mean you wouldn't understand either seeing how you fail to grasp how multiple builds can be the most effective in the same content

[onyx sage]

no one is saying this bro

[main estuary]

do it anyway

[main estuary]

you did

[magic pilot]

Literally no one said one thing is best

[subtle bluff]

I wanna know what Meta thing you're talking about?

[solar sable]

he did not.

[main estuary]

this is what i mean.

[vestal ibex]

Tactics

Not build.

[main estuary]

"most" and "tactics" controdict eachother

[main estuary]

ok?

[vestal ibex]

We fishing here now I guess.

[onyx sage]

okay, for the last time: the fact that you don't grasp that multiple things having the same metric exist is not going to help you

[hexed steppe]

Everything outside or Mortar is sub par anyways... yall know that

[onyx sage]

yooooooo mod local

[hexed steppe]

Shh

[solar sable]

wait what the hell

[main estuary]

if it has thge same metrict there is no "most" then

`

[subtle bluff]

I feel like there's a lot of repeating going on here.

[onyx sage]

yes, this is why i try to clearly define what i mean when i give advice to people. most people say "what is the meta nowadays" when they truly mean "the most common". so i always ask what they want to achieve, that helps me clearly define whether they want common or meta. but i get what you mean

[main estuary]

"But others use "meta" purely a descriptor of quality/power, even in situations where what's being run by a large number of players is actually subpar"

[onyx sage]

i don't think you know what metrics mean then

[main estuary]

THIS. IM AGINST THIS

is "metric" not ammount or something

[solar sable]

Against what? People telling you the truth?

[onyx sage]

"metric" is a function that measures something of the input

different inputs can give the same metric

[main estuary]

yea i didnt come here for math

[onyx sage]

okay so don't argue about a math topic

[magic pilot]

Can we focus on what builds you are running

I'm kinda curious to try them

[subtle bluff]

What "meta" thing are you complaining about? There's no context to this other than you complaining about everyone else terms.

[main estuary]

the fact that people thing one think is better then everything else. i hate when ppl do thgat

[subtle bluff]

We're here about builds and it looks like people have been running circles the term "meta"

[main estuary]

ive ran into my fairshair of ppl like that and it sickins me

[onyx sage]

you're yelling at clouds

[main estuary]

*typing

[cerulean smelt]

i'm bouncing around on my builds currently. 2 i had fun with is 3 empress, 2 shiny and memento with capacitor with smartcover and for some of the fights i used a sticky emp with one other person

[magic pilot]

What does efficiency do for Smart Cover?

[hazy steeple]

"yelling at clouds" is an expression, it means to pointlessly rail against a vague concept, or undefined issue.

e.g. most of this channel.

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, i haven't tried to see the difference honestly
another build i just put together is picaros, 2 palisades, NBB and 2 empress just to see if it can be fun

[main estuary]

oh thx for dumbing it down for me.

[magic pilot]

What are these off meta PvP builds I've been hearing about

[cerulean smelt]

but i'll have to createa 6st build to see what smartcover gives, 2 shiny or 3 empress and check, then all 5

[simple haven]

6pc strikers :^)

[main estuary]

kinda builds that "sweats" disregaurd bc they arnt "good"

[magic pilot]

And they contain which 6 pieces of gear?

[main estuary]

im saying builds. i mean gearsets

[magic pilot]

Oh nice, what gearsets do you use?

[main estuary]

none? 6 of anything peice is badyou get the most at 4

[magic pilot]

6 pieces of gear ≠ 6 pieces of gearset

[cerulean smelt]

so you don't play division 2 and just here to criticize people speading information?

[main estuary]

i dont use the green ones

[main estuary]

what?

[main estuary]

OOOOHHHHHHHH mb

[magic pilot]

You don't use green sets?

[main estuary]

uhh idk of the top of my head

[magic pilot]

That's what a gearset is

[main estuary]

ik alot of them have crit dmg and chance

[magic pilot]

Umbra?

[main estuary]

for my pvp stuff i dont

[magic pilot]

That's what I'm asking about

PvP

[main estuary]

then no

i use green one in pve

[magic pilot]

What's your favorite setup for PvP?

[main estuary]

i use a sniper build

and a bonk build

i can get a pic of them if u want

[magic pilot]

Bonk is pretty strong

Same with snipers

[main estuary]

not alot of ppl like those 2

[magic pilot]

Because you have to be good to use them

[main estuary]

i like 1 shot things bc my aim isnt good

[magic pilot]

Bonk is a lot more common on pc

[main estuary]

im better in movement and positioning thus why i do those 2

[strong cave]

imagine a full team of bonkers. wouldnt that be bonkers?

that was the roughest conflict match of my life

[magic pilot]

Yea send them to me in dm if you want

[main estuary]

i actually did this. 1 was doing the shocker punch thing then we jump the electrocuted person

[main estuary]

kk

[strong cave]

youre an ass and i love it 😂

[main estuary]

we looked like piranahs lol

[strong cave]

bro got jumped into the crips 😂

[main estuary]

beating from hell tbh

[unreal gazelle]

Man I rolled in just to see if there was some news of people fussing about with the new items. I didn't think I would receive this treat.

[subtle bluff]

So is it safe to say all of this debating could of done in #td2-pvp-discussions ?

[main estuary]

does threat reduction work in pvp?

[onyx sage]

no, threat is a pve mechanic

[main estuary]

oh?

so i wont kinda be hidden like a hunter?

[magic pilot]

Yep it forces players to run away from you automatically

[main estuary]

well ig we already are

[onyx sage]

threat is a number that basically determines whether a NPC will focus on you instead of something else

[simple haven]

There an armor set called System Corruption that can hide your nametag when you hit your armor kit button, similar to when your decoy is deployed

It's kinda bad tbh

[main estuary]

TYHERE IS?

WHERE

[unreal gazelle]

DZ exclusive

[simple haven]

In theory it can randomly drop from DZ

In practice I"ve farmed like 2K SHD levels in DZ and never seen a piece drop in my life, not once

[magic pilot]

Come on off meta pvper you don't know about syscor!

[simple haven]

The "real" place to get it is legacy track caches, because it has been an old legacy reward

you can't get those normally, only limited time events

[main estuary]

compared to dv1, rogue players are ALOR more hidden

[simple haven]

Note: the set is kinda bad.

[main estuary]

ill make it good

thx for the instructioins

[unreal gazelle]

I got like half a set from just running and doing my daily/weekly DZ/Conflict content

So it's not difficult to come across. Just hard to get out if your not good.

[urban latch]

I have the perfect off meta pvp build for you

[main estuary]

shade alert?

[onyx sage]

raucey weren't we supposed to gatekeep

[urban latch]

I dont keep my builds secret unlike them

[main estuary]

ts was not released it escaped 😭

[onyx sage]

yeah but this is top secret

[magic pilot]

Oh god not that video

I'm very familiar with that exact loadout

Shared that video many times

[main estuary]

honestly that actually kinda good

like un ironicly

[urban latch]

REALLY

[main estuary]

yea?

[main estuary]

what? its good

ita like a hybrid

[onyx sage]

shared this secret build just for you

[main estuary]

max skill teir + alot of dmg

[magic pilot]

I like how the quality gets worse everytime somehow

[main estuary]

but ur rlly squishy tho

[magic pilot]

He's got 1 blue core

[main estuary]

you srsly thing the second one is worse then the all diffrent gearset one

the only way that first one will even kinda work is if you have a ninjaa bike\

[onyx sage]

i run ninjabike here to buff all the brands that the improvised pieces give

[magic pilot]

That's not what I meant

[main estuary]

they r both stull uzz tho

[simple haven]

My brother...

Both those builds are pure troll

They serve zero practical purpose

There is nothing they accomplish that cannot be objectively done better by a real build

[magic pilot]

I'm talking about the quality of the image

[strong cave]

literally any dz rogue when 1 of their teammates dies in the dz:

[magic pilot]

Gotta keep those manhunts active

[onyx sage]

nah don't hate on it, it's a secret $50 subscriber build

[main estuary]

chem + bonk = "i got you for 5 MINUTES boy"

[strong cave]

or they run because of the fact they're scared to fight 2 people vs 3

3 being their team

[main estuary]

this is why i use lady death other them the melee dmg. but that sweet succulent speed buff

[strong cave]

acostas kneepads: 😢

[main estuary]

what do those do?

[strong cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90bIGrMs1o

ill let DJ Tickle tell you

basically having status applied to you makes you faster. doing parkour makes you faster

[unreal gazelle]

Off Meta build I ran last season that works well this one to build stamina stacks quick.

4pc Heartbreaker with armor cores.
Night watcher mask.
Exodus gloves.

Running pulse scanner
Running reviver hive.

Blue screen
Rock and roll

Enough CHC to be around 50%
Enough CHD to be around 80-90%.

This seasons passives will bump your CHD up and it does surprisingly well and makes you a tank on everything.

[main estuary]

ill be instopable with those

GIMMIE THEM {N} {0} {W}

[strong cave]

^^ just run striker at that point. gloves are an L, use ceska. would benefit you way more

[magic pilot]

YouTuber special

[strong cave]

doesnt stack with lady death

[strong cave]

looks like a kamikaze build negl

[main estuary]

now i dont have to get a kill tho

[strong cave]

the sub attributes ARE re-rollable. first of its kind

[main estuary]

so if they r solo...their MINE all MINE

[magic pilot]

Exodus actually not bad

[unreal gazelle]

I have both a normal striker and incursion/legendary striker set. I just like to mix it up.

[onyx sage]

trust me, exodus is very good. it does make you lose something like coyote but the utility it gives is very strong

[strong cave]

pve or pvp? i see it as a gimmick entirely. just dont get shot so you dont need the gloves 🤷‍♂️

[magic pilot]

Pve

[clever canyon]

what's the max number of gear mods you can equip at once? four (with improvised holster)?

[onyx sage]

pvp it's entirely useless, pve it's very strong

[strong cave]

you guys gotta be joking

[main estuary]

omg imma use that for my sniepr build. imma leave a decoy in the smoke

[magic pilot]

7, improvised and chillout

[clever canyon]

thanks

[strong cave]

please tell me my eyes did not read this chat

[magic pilot]

No seriously, when your armor pops swap weapons you get all your armor back

[main estuary]

read wh8t

[magic pilot]

It's unbreakable on gloves

[onyx sage]

i'm not. i've done 2 leggy runs solo with it just to showcase. the smoke makes you get out of combat and with some clever weapon swapping you can regen all armor. it's like unbreakable but way better

[strong cave]

the hell 💀 okay then maybe i might be wrong about something

thats broken. i had no idea this was a thing

[onyx sage]

trust me, when i say something is good in legendary, it's good

[strong cave]

ive only been playing pvp content now for the past like 4 months intermittently

[main estuary]

same tbh

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/P6eBUq-_-EQ?si=VOsctgzMfj8N_uqx

[strong cave]

once every week and a half, MAYBE

[strong cave]

i believe you 💪

[strong cave]

ahh yes, dien. legend

[onyx sage]

idk why this video is the best one on my channel. i didn't even put that much effort

[strong cave]

WOW okay youre undercover. i had NOT a clue that was you

[magic pilot]

Algorithm hit

[strong cave]

i just clicked your profile and realized 😭

[onyx sage]

💀

[magic pilot]

He's the average player

Just an ordinary guy

[strong cave]

and clearly my intelligence isnt average

[magic pilot]

Joe shmo

[main estuary]

join the club

[pearl atlas]

chat what are the current thoughts on the caretaker g36c with perfect killer from the gamepass projects

[main estuary]

i understood that so well

[strong cave]

i gotta help newbies to get that dont i?

[pearl atlas]

yup

[strong cave]

yay... alright then. time to go for it

[main estuary]

help me

[pearl atlas]

reach shepherd level 8

[strong cave]

id rather shoot myself but hey a g36 with perfect killer sounds broken. that gun is a lazer

i wanna take that into dz for sure

[unreal gazelle]

Seems consensus is, it's potential is good, but low ammo and rpm, so Lexington is still best in class.

[strong cave]

umbra with tinkerer mask says otherwise

perf killer and optimist would be busted

WAit ITS NAMED NOOO

😭

wont work with the mask. damn. plans foiled

[main estuary]

DAMN

[strong cave]

i know 😭

[main estuary]

I THOUGHT YOU JS COOKED UP SUMIN FEIRCE

[strong cave]

me too 😭

[strong cave]

so how does that weapon swap thingy work? sounds like that swap holster all over again. centurions its called i think?

[unreal gazelle]

However I gave an answer as to what the weapon was by itself. Not with a build.

I concede that I am not extremely knowledgeable about numbers and combinations with the caretake with other equipment.

[cerulean smelt]

looks like decrease cooldown, increase duration and it's health

[onyx sage]

you just learn the timing and swap your weapon. it's a thing with the game since it came out

[urban latch]

G36 isnt great, but perfect killer is one of the best talents so its definitely a good AR option

[simple haven]

Can i ask why the converted SMG-9 as a secondary

[onyx sage]

your armor regens to full instantly if you do it at the right timing. it's not that hard to learn

[simple haven]

I thought that gun was whack, what's the reason to use that model in particular

[onyx sage]

it's one of the top smgs right now

[strong cave]

shoots fast, good damage, replaced the ccmg banshee bc of the previous nerfs to the banshee

[strong cave]

sounds easy enough

[unreal gazelle]

I mean, just run an Oreo

[simple haven]

oh wait no I was thinking of the PP-19

[main estuary]

do you guyd like the swap chain smg?

[simple haven]

because of the -9 on the end

[strong cave]

since its an mp7, not really, no. mag size aint great. damage isnt great. id rather throw that on an smg 9

[simple haven]

SMG-9 is good yeah

[strong cave]

if they left the mp7 alone, it would still be worth taking

[magic pilot]

Actually pretty good

[main estuary]

what gun does best with swap chaind talent?

the not perfect one

[onyx sage]

i was running iron lung, so no, and the video was showcasing an alternative setup that works in legendary

[magic pilot]

The Ouro is worse in dmg

[simple haven]

I think on paper the best is a vector because the massive handling boost effectively applies better on a gun that would otherwise need to reload a ton in that 5 second window

Don't quote me on that though, I haven't done the math

[unreal gazelle]

I was being pedantic guys

[magic pilot]

It's hard to tell lol

[unreal gazelle]

No worries 😂

[main estuary]

ill try that out

[magic pilot]

The tac vector yea

[strong cave]

id say the smg 9 tbh since its best. or tac vec

[main estuary]

also do you guy like glory daze? it gives you 100% stablility

[strong cave]

recoil: 0

[urban latch]

situationally very useful. As a weapon, not really worth using

[simple haven]

most ARs shoot straight without any stability buffs whatsoever, so it's basically a weapon without a talent lol

[main estuary]

i mean im uzz at recoil contril so this is heven for me

[main estuary]

oh?

[drifting patrol]

Can anyone tell me why j can't use this weapon even though I'm level 8?

[unreal gazelle]

Does dark winter have a spot?

[sullen night]

Does anyone have a list of which weapons can fit the tactician laser pointer/have a large rail?

[main estuary]

?

[strong cave]

odd. bug perhaps?

[onyx sage]

it has a spot in solo setups

[main estuary]

can we have more context?

[strong cave]

i have the power of thumbsticks and aim assist on my side

[drifting patrol]

Sorry I'm new to the game not sure why I can't use it

[cerulean smelt]

you know thinking on smartcover think all them talents that weapon swap for weapon damage would be popular?

[main estuary]

i do too and im still bunz istg.

im bad at long continuous shooting. if i have a one shot wepon ill cook i swear

[onyx sage]

not really, it doesn't change anything about their viability, if they are viable they've been before smart cover

[simple haven]

the problem with versatile (backpack talent) is that changing your weapons, even with handling/swap speed buffs, is time you spend doing nothing

In solo play you spend a lot of time maneuvering between targets and moving around to absorb this downtime but for any kind of group play where you might need to put multiple magazines downrange from a stationary position, it's a huge amount of extra downtime that the damage buff doesn't really compensate for

You could, alternatively, just be playing strikers, get to max stacks, and rip and tear

[strong cave]

sorta the same. EB i still struggle with

[oak python]

Which one better for solo play?

[cerulean smelt]

did you see what smart cover does?

[unreal gazelle]

Get a lmg striker setup with the bullet king. You will learn how to shred real fast

[main estuary]

like an ar vs a bosg from r6

[strong cave]

time to go to brooklyn my peeps 🔥 finally touching the dlc

[main estuary]

im broke so imma get it l8tr today

[strong cave]

"if youre broke, JUST SAY SO"
-Pokimane

[cerulean smelt]

smart cover gives us Lonestar reloading. swap weapon fire until empty, swap weapon and the first gun is fully reloaded

[main estuary]

wait doyou play on ps?

[strong cave]

PC

[main estuary]

im broke

[simple haven]

weapon handling and damage to out of cover, mostly, I thought

it gives pocket reloads too?

[cerulean smelt]

so would it be the weapon handling give us instant reload?

[cerulean smelt]

yes if you're referring to going from primary to secondary back to primary? yeah the weapon will be reloaded to full magazine

[simple haven]

interesting, but with all the weapon handling it gives, you could just... reload your weapon equally as fast. And play strikers. And get a higher damage buff. :V

[onyx sage]

it reloads on swap? i never read its description 💀

[main estuary]

in your guys opinion, what is the cheseist build

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't say in description but did it a lot yesterday

[strong cave]

regulus foam

[simple haven]

and while I've tried and even had fun with verstaile in solo play, where very little has the HP to stand up to even 1 full magazine, in any kind of stiff group scaling you're gonna need to stand and shoot a ton, in which case strikers wins

[main estuary]

what does that do?

[strong cave]

foam a player, shoot them maybe once in the head with reg, they're dead

[simple haven]

#td2-pvp-discussions message this but for people who can't aim, you can foam them to make them stand still first

[strong cave]

pvp build. you can right hand pixel peek. cannot shoot them at all to take them down

[main estuary]

oh.

[strong cave]

tiny ass hand, your full body peeking, your head fully exposed and you cant even shoot them. its broken

need a demonstration how they do it?

[unreal gazelle]

I just run a creeping death foam with Scorpio build, does that translate with a Regulas?

[simple haven]

yeah it's like "oh there's a regulus player on this corner"
"guess I'll die"

[main estuary]

strike first'

thats what i do

[strong cave]

pretend that tank is a person. all the person will see is the hand and the gun. you cannot physically hit that player without having PERFECT aim. only counter is determined or using an EMP pulse. people can use this variant with full hazpro. ive seen it

yeah, striking first doesnt always work. especially with decoys

[strong cave]

nah ive got worse

[cerulean smelt]

thought they fixed that?

[simple haven]

i mean this kind of nonsense is just why I've given up on taking DZ pvp seriously

[onyx sage]

no, regulus is strong because it is the best pistol and by being a pistol it has the highest headshot damage aside from marksman rifles

[simple haven]

these days I don't bother contesting, I go to farm landmarks and leave if someone starts PVPing in my instance

[main estuary]

g-g-g-gagged

[onyx sage]

scorpio is more of a crowd controlling weapon and i don't know how effective it is in pvp because the statuses aren't the same in there

[simple haven]

will confirm, scorpio is useless in PVP

[strong cave]

nope. pixel peek will always be a thing. time to go run brooklyn with this build KEK

[simple haven]

It doesn't have any CC on it at all i think?

[onyx sage]

iirc it has foam as one of the stacks

but definitely no shock

[strong cave]

its useless in pvp. i do have a build that might make it viable tho

[simple haven]

it also does like zero damage

[onyx sage]

ye

[cerulean smelt]

if scorpio? it's poison, disorient, shock

[simple haven]

iirc catharsis cloud literally outheals it

[onyx sage]

yeah but not in pvp

[strong cave]

literally overlord has a better use than scorpio. i have a build that utilizes it and its not too bad tbh

[simple haven]

as in you stack their catharsis to 50 hits -> drops a healing cloud -> outheals the damage you landed to drop that cloud

[cerulean smelt]

ah, no clue how it works in pvp

[onyx sage]

yeah the statuses are different

[simple haven]

the enemy player can literally stand perfectly still and laugh at you as you try to kill them with it

[main estuary]

is there any build that can give ppl a bunch of stat effects?

[unreal gazelle]

Shame I still haven't completed Iron Horse, only Dark hours

[strong cave]

just juggle status skills

[simple haven]

a "bunch"? not really more than one at a time. Most you'll see is either Iron Lung or St Elmo's for shock/burn on their gun, and maybe running foam

these people are giving up running Bighorn to do so, mind you, so they're usually running with someone who has better damage

so that they can CC you for their buddy

[main estuary]

ok i mean like say your in then shooting range. what is the possible abbout of stats you can give to the dummy with everything in your arsinal

[strong cave]

sys corr removes the purple corrosion thats broken 😂

[main estuary]

non practical

[strong cave]

this content is gonna be a breeze

[cerulean smelt]

anyh clue if that Immimence is any good for pistol builds?

[magic pilot]

High end one shot

Chest mask backpack or chest holster backpack

Depends on if you want dodge or not

[cerulean smelt]

so 3 pc, 1 dh (punch drunk?) and dodge?

[simple haven]

it's a shocking amount of damage for a pistol, people are one-tapping in PVP with it, for PVE it's making pistol builds put out a shocking amount of damage. Opportunity cost of running the build is -not- being strikers so I doubt it'll ever be the best, but it's fun at least

[magic pilot]

Yea Fox/contractors

[main estuary]

chat how do we feel about headhunter in pvp?

[cerulean smelt]

i can imagine PVE just a fun thing

[simple haven]

You can either do a blue-core shield build that actually does significant pistol damage, now
or, you can go all in and get crispy one-taps with a gun that shoots faster than bolt action

even without having headhunter stacked up

[main estuary]

WITHOUT?!

oh that sounds goood

[simple haven]

like, people have fun with the 1886 headhunter builds in PVE

[cerulean smelt]

that's imminence or the pvp isac wants?

[subtle bluff]

Heh heh waiting for you to hit one of the bosses on heroic.

[strong cave]

hotshot

[subtle bluff]

Like I said. Waiting.

[simple haven]

the amount of damage you get with imminence you can basically turn your revolver into an 1886 in terms of per-bullet damage, and you now get the luxury of hiding behind a bulwark shield which is far tankier than a crusader. Still not invincible, and you have massive problems with damage falloff past 10 meters unlike the 1886. But it's funny

[cerulean smelt]

i take it cloak is more of just wearing that in some build and be mostly unnoticable to npcs slightly?

[simple haven]

as for pvp, look at the link to pvp-discussions I posted earler. That's 2M on a headshot at the start of the fight, no stacks

for a non-tank build that is literally an instant kill

crispy onetaps

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly can't get used to dodge honestly

[strong cave]

this might be fun then heh 😈

[cerulean smelt]

assuming all hsd/wh?

[simple haven]

honestly not sure if it's worth to stack HSD for PVE (for a pistol dps build)

[magic pilot]

Yep

[cerulean smelt]

even if we use Reg?

[magic pilot]

Uhhh

[simple haven]

sure it's funny to run through outcasts/cleaners but the moment you have to fight BT you hit like a wet noodle

behold, a room with 4 dogs in it

[subtle bluff]

It's was a challenge for all so far took me 3 tries.

[magic pilot]

#td2-build-advice message

[magic pilot]

What room has 4 dogs?

Generally for legendary you switch between striker and HH

Depending on the stage you are at

I ran duo FI status with @onyx sage and he was headhunting the entire mission on DUA

[simple haven]

Legendary WT are not BT

I know there's a manhunt mission that has several meme-tier BT rooms

"oops all dogs", "oops all tanks"

[torn path]

i need someone to help me build my set

[magic pilot]

So legendary is easier than heroic is what you are saying

[torn path]

im a little confused on how the damage works and all the other crap

[simple haven]

for a headshot focused build? honestly, yeah, sometimes

enemy composition matters

[worn mango]

Outcasts >

[magic pilot]

What mission are you talking about? Being specific does help here

[torn path]

im trying to build a diamond back set

[magic pilot]

On heroic black tusks are a joke even while headhunting

[simple haven]

I know there's a pentagon mission where you have severla hallways that have nothing but dogs and/or drones

[magic pilot]

I've never had an issue running HH

[torn path]

and i dont understand how these guys are hiting like 20mil dmg

[magic pilot]

How often are you playing the pentagon mission?

[simple haven]

with group scaling trying to bring a headshot-oriented build just means you just smile and wave

whenever someone in the group wants to run it!

i.e came up as a prio mission for them

[tulip charm]

Its easy

[torn path]

please show me

[tulip charm]

HH zwia foxes

i forgot the last 2

Its just a standard hh build

[torn path]

cus ive got up to like 3 mil but i cant get higher

[subtle bluff]

Headhunter chest talent

[strong cave]

sounds to me like im in for a surprise

[rich cosmos]

Smart seems peak, how are people liking it

[subtle bluff]

I need to show you my "meme" one shot that I use for people tell us there great per bullet dmg.

[cerulean smelt]

lol

[subtle bluff]

On mobile don't have it saved. D=

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned google doc, theres a bunch of build guides in there. The sniper setups is basically what your looking for, those are the headhunter builds which is what your seeing those 20m+ numbers come from

[torn path]

where do i find that

[subtle bluff]

On PC top right 📌

[urban latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

@strong cave

[magic pilot]

I disagree in heroic

[torn path]

FINNALLY

[torn path]

THANK YOU

[simple haven]

How much 3-4 scaled heroic do you play, especially with subpar players who need to be carried

Because let me tell you, trying to chew through multiple dogs, tanks, and chunguses (due to multi-man heroic scaling) when you have no crit is suffering

[main estuary]

1 js got touched by a sticky bomb

[vestal ibex]

Bro HH in heroic is easy af

[simple haven]

solo scaling is fine, especially with headhunter, you can cash in your HH to break a chungus plate, dodge city to one-tap him, then instantly pick up your HH chain off of a convenient red-bar rusher

But I can think of multiple rooms of BT missions where it's just "okay, what am I supposed to headshot here, lol"

I know the captain lewis manhunt mission has multiple rooms that literally do not have heads for you

[vestal ibex]

You just need to learn how to kill dogs better I guess.

[simple haven]

like on 4 man scaling there's like "oh there's three chunguses and several dogs in this hallway"?

yeah I swap off of the headshot damage build and just become a striker build lol

not saying the mission is impossible, it's just suffering if you bring a headshot build

[subtle bluff]

You're not wrong but also there's only like 2 type things that can survive fully determined person.

[urban latch]

Thats what the M870 is for. Solo example, but this absolutely works in 4 man heroic '
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQ07uYgRLQ

[vestal ibex]

imo it's a skill issue

[simple haven]

oh, look

another person posting WT and thinking the experience translates to the specific mission spawns

What is wrong with you people.

Is it that hard to understand "there are no heads in this room"

[main estuary]

hey whats the best counter to a bonk build?

[subtle bluff]

Go to #td2-pvp-discussions for you're pvp questions

[simple haven]

And the experience translates to multiplayer scaling in any BT room with a lot of mech units... which is a lot of them

[urban latch]

all im trying to show is how you use the m870 to take out chungas

for dogs you just 1 tap them in the legs

[simple haven]

yes, it's a typical cash-in of your HH stack, and then you have to build again

which, on 4-man multiplayer scaling? can be rough. Not fighting WT who have tons of infantry for you to farm

[subtle bluff]

I'm a lil late or dumb what WT and BT?

[simple haven]

black tusk, white tusk

[vestal ibex]

Sure, every build is bad if you take the highest weakness for it. OD is bad without it's ammo, strikers is bad without any stacks, foam is bad if you get disrupted.

[simple haven]

People are just going "huh, well, look, I can totally farm legendary, so heroic is ez" because all they do is farm legendary and they haven't actually touched a heroic rando mission in ages

some of those BT heroic missions are downright cruel to headshot builds

[vestal ibex]

Heroic is easy tho?

idk I still do almost all my content with HHF.

[simple haven]

is that hard to understand when you bring a headshot build to a room with nothing but dogs in it, you're going to wish you had anything else

like, I don't know what's so hard to grasp about this fact

[urban latch]

which room

[simple haven]

Pentagon has several hallways that have nothing but drones or dogs, I forget which of the two

[vestal ibex]

It's easy tho, I still do that fed bunker dog room with HHF.

[subtle bluff]

Okay.. Here's the thought. Things can be hard for some players but not for other. The point we're showing it is possible to do it.

[simple haven]

and yeah some of the invadeds have dog-heavy rooms too

[urban latch]

its just not a common situation. its something you can play around

[simple haven]

Yeah, the play around is to swap to a better suited build in teh previous room :T

[urban latch]

sure, thats absolutely an option

[vestal ibex]

Well that's cool, I'ma still run HHF idc.

[simple haven]

all I see are people going "works on leggo, therefore heroic is easy ;))))))" or posting, guess what, legendary footage of them killing one (1) chungus

on solo scaling, even

[subtle bluff]

Do you want one of us to go do quickly? I can show we would do it.

[simple haven]

which just confirms my suspicions that people here really don't just... play 4-man scaling much and tend to judge on what they can solo

[simple haven]

Do it in a 4 man group with 3 deadweight players

[subtle bluff]

Ok

[simple haven]

carry a team with your headshot build fighting nothing but dogs

Like, I get that people want to flex, but it's ridiculous.

[vestal ibex]

Do you understand the people you are challenging with this?

[subtle bluff]

Challenge accepted

[hazy steeple]

@simple haven I've seen this exact situation play out a dozen times, if you want to bow out, I promise you that no one is going to follow you around.

[onyx sage]

okay what is the real ask here? you're asking us to only use a headshot build on electronics?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah properly set up your challenge so you can't goal post move later.

[simple haven]

The original point I was making is that "gee, headshot builds are kind of suffering when fighting robotic spam mission rooms" and what I got was a wave of "lmao ez, just get gudder"... which does absolutely nothing to contradict the fact that your build is objectively poorly suited for it

But flexers just want to flex that they can beat content with a toothpick as opposed to actualyl discussing what's effective

[onyx sage]

all i've been reading as responses to that is just "change your build"

some of them are "the situation you're describing is extremely uncommon"

[subtle bluff]

I've said before to you it's all a playstyle. Some players cannot adapt themselves to a build playstyle which is fine because you also have to learn the gameplay and knowledge of the game.

[simple haven]

from: souless13
from: prodigyreflexz
in: td2-build-advice

[vestal ibex]

I mean I do some mostly level 1 gear challenges for this.

[onyx sage]

from my pov, there are legitimate situations that are exactly as you described, like stovepipe manhunt is all electronics, so a headshot build is useless except on sparkle, so i agree with you on this

[simple haven]

that's at least two people being comedically obtuse about the topic and wanting to flex rather than actually contribute

there was a third but I can't be arsed to scroll up further

[onyx sage]

but they're also saying just change your build on this, idk if this is acknowledged

[hazy steeple]

@simple haven No one is trying to flex, at least not the people who are trying to help you out here.
I recommend you take a step back, take a deep breath, and come back to this in an hour or so. You'll have a better perspective on things.

[onyx sage]

like i do agree that you can't lump all heroic content together, because some heroic missions are crafted to counter all headshot builds, but then again the counterpoint they have been giving is these situations are extremely uncommon and you should know these situations beforehand and change your build

[simple haven]

"no one is trying to flex"

four messages that are literally just "easy, easy, I'm built different, I just do it all with HHF"

I get your point, but lol

[hazy steeple]

@simple haven You are moving into official warning territory. It's time to chill out.

[simple haven]

Out of curiosity, do you think the various robotics rooms were made specifically in response to HH builds being perceived as cheesy by some dev with an axe to grind, or do you think it was done from a top-down perspective of "hey, wouldn't it be funny to spam the players with robots" without that consideration

[light dome]

Is bluescreen a good LMG?

[urban latch]

I dont give the devs anywhere near the credit required for that

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. It's not great for a DPS but it's utility can be very useful.

[urban latch]

its a solid option. Frenzy (high end talent) just got buffed though, imo Id use that over any exotic LMG right now

[onyx sage]

i don't know exactly, because there are builds out there that also counters electronics specifically, just not to the degree of determined headhunter level of cheese

[hazy steeple]

Of course MSV are aware of Determined/HH builds being a thing.
There's a reason why last Season, two of the Journey Steps were basically "get hundreds of headshot kills".

[simple haven]

Insanely good. Sure it doesn't have a "more damage" talent but the amount of CC it spreads lets you actually apply way more damage

and even when you are shooting a single target you can click a pulse or something when you get to 50 stacks to apply combination disorient+disrupt to your marked target, which CCs anything in the game, pretty much

[onyx sage]

i find it more practical to just kill and not bother with skills, dead targets when you're at 50 stacks will proc the 50 stack part of the talent anyway

i like that it gives you a way out of not using skills but it also turns it into an on-kill talent which i don't really praise either

[simple haven]

Yeah, in any typical situation with adds you just get a killing blow
but in those situations where your whole team is beaming a named chungus you -can- click a skill and bam, he's on his knees

[onyx sage]

you don't have to land the killing blow

[simple haven]

or the various quadricopter fights

[onyx sage]

they just have to die with any means as long as you're at 50 stacks

[simple haven]

Wait, it's hwen any tagged target dies, not just your own killing blows? that's even better lol

shoot a random sniper drone, drop the room to its knees

or a kamikaze bomb drone

well, those are kills anyway

[onyx sage]

i've been playing with iron lung and bluescreen a lot lately, slightly more preference to iron lung, but i enjoy these lmgs so much. it's a fresh breather from the usual builds i run

[simple haven]

Iron lung goes from good to preposterous when you realize the talent works like strained and you can tap-fire to keep the stacks

[onyx sage]

yes, it's not a particularly well-known trick

[simple haven]

so in those lulls where the spawn wave just died and the next wave is still spawning and coming out of the door, you maintain your flame bullets

only problem with iron lung is, again, BT sometimes :T

[strong cave]

my bad mid game rn, by all means show

[onyx sage]

eh, i don't mind BT too much just because all electronics are out of cover anyway so they still die fast

[subtle bluff]

Raucey link the gif after that post.

[subtle bluff]

I love Ironlung.

[strong cave]

WAIT A MINUTE THATS A HEALING CHEM WTAF

[hazy steeple]

That'll be helpful with their Iron Lung.

[strong cave]

bro literally has deadly heals 😭

[vestal ibex]

Harmacist.

[hazy steeple]

I swear I'm wasted here.

[onyx sage]

HHarmacist

[strong cave]

thats amazing 😂

[simple haven]

bonk

"my sniper build is so good, I can do 5M in a single shot"

and this man just loads his chem launcher with malicious intent

[hazy steeple]

Reading the M as metres makes this channel so much funnier.

[strong cave]

let the comments start rolling in...

[cerulean smelt]

i had one similar but i used turmoil XD

[strong cave]

ew

[vestal ibex]

Meh it's still like 22 mil

[strong cave]

hey the armor aint bad on it negl

i play solo so still one shotting and having that armor is super nice. doesnt top the normal hotshot tho

[vestal ibex]

I mean you could just put a couple blue cores and blood sucker on.

[cerulean smelt]

is Apartment a dz weapon?

[strong cave]

that too. i chose ninjabike bc i went the lazy route and liked the extra skill tier on the hive. drop a hive, you get 2 revives instead of 1. @cerulean smelt yes

[cerulean smelt]

huh, think i got it off a boss in LZ, could be wrong and it was in a named cache

[strong cave]

anything i should be worried about? something tells me striker might be needed here..

[vestal ibex]

I did HHF for it and it was fine.

Heroic solo, no wipes.

[strong cave]

good stuff 👀 ill give it a run. still going thru this dlc

[subtle bluff]

Here's my other clip.
But also I now what you're doing it so... I'd rather say Memento for you're thought.

[cerulean smelt]

i feel having your head on a 360 swivel is needed, but maybe duoing made it that way

[vestal ibex]

tbf I should probably show the clip of how I handled the thing in there once I get home.

[strong cave]

memento would absolutely make my build better for sure. and yeah thats without the hotshot 4 piece bonus. not a bad setup. id run that for pvp if anything. i wouldnt do the first build you have shown there, i value the hotshot 4 pc bonus

i made my build during the first set of the modifiers we got. the range made snipers busted

[rich cosmos]

Does someone have the perk description on nimble holster the new exotic

I forgot its stats

[simple haven]

people are sleeping on this

5% per 1m is a LOT

you make a very basic 10m cover to cover to reposition and half your armor you lost while facetrading comes right back

[rich cosmos]

Thx

[strong cave]

bro already got the holster

[rich cosmos]

Its really not that far in the season track

[simple haven]

it's level 29 yeah
I'm already level 35 and I haven't been doing that much
If you're doing activities that push your season level a lot, that thing goes FAST

like honestly i've mostly been doing countdowns lol

[sullen night]

most activities got a 85% xp buff for season progression IIRC

[simple haven]

I could definitely push it even faster

[rich cosmos]

Wonder if umbra or any other damage sets would be best for it

Umbra would probably be a waste for it

[simple haven]

Its "best" place is definitely in a hybrid red/blue solo build that's super comfy, yeah

an alternative to exo gloves

[rich cosmos]

Im more so planning to use it with red and skill

[simple haven]

but frankly speaking as much as I defend exo gloves if you're in a position where you have to regularly get so much armor back one charge of exo gloves every 40 seconds isn't enough

you probably don't have the tech needed to properly leverage cover to cover moves

[rich cosmos]

Im liking the new skill but haven’t used it in combat because of work

[cerulean smelt]

i've been having fun with it

[simple haven]

I'm personally looking at it on a goofy-ahh "bruiser" foundry bulwark crusader build

the idea being that you end up sponging so much damage that sometimes you need armor while making your cover-to-cover escape, not just off of bulwark regen

[cerulean smelt]

until they nerf it, it seems pretty strong
even the bonus armor one is nice

[simple haven]

and as bulwark your role is to hold aggro up front, so using exo gloves as your get out of jail free card, dumps your aggro onto poor little newbies who will just fall over because they don't know to stop shooting when they get shot at

[rich cosmos]

Maybe negotiators with my build idea might work but I think skill tiers will take away too much damage

I’ll figure something out tomorrow

[cerulean smelt]

lol, i lied about the smart cover not talkinga bout the reloading in description

[simple haven]

the thing is that a weapon swap and a reload are about comparable so you might as well just reload

[strong cave]

i just started today and only level 5 in the rewards track

[simple haven]

yes, it enables versatile, but...

[cerulean smelt]

i probably wouldn't use versatile honestly, composure maybe? and gunslinger

[simple haven]

the problem there is now your build falls apart when you don't have smart cover up

[urban latch]

its really not... backpack talents are very valuable, going with something like this for some armor regen is really not worth it

[simple haven]

the exotic is a holster, isn't it?
...or am I crazy

[strong cave]

the bonus armor on this is giving me sys corr ideas... 👀 who else sees what im seeing?

[urban latch]

oh my bad, thought it was a BP

[strong cave]

would tier 1 grant 10% pulse immune? 🤔 if so, thats full pulse immunity without the need of a mod

[cerulean smelt]

forgot syscor, was thinking smartcover, vanguard, memento that'd be some serious bonus armor

[urban latch]

still not really worth the exotic slot, but w/e. Even if you wanted a survivability option, exodus gloves is a better option though

[strong cave]

sys corr bag gives 100% bonus armor. this even further. my armor boutta be a barcode you scan at walmart for 75% off

so cant wait to get my hands on these items for pvp ugh

[cerulean smelt]

yes 10% pulse resistence at st 1

[simple haven]

yeah, my thought was for a build that unironicalyl expects to facetank more damage than an exo every 40 seconds, at which point you're doing it deliberately in such a way that you aren't also using a shield, or might want it while ALSO having a shield

carrying 3 agents through summit and encountering your nineth EMP jammer room

this holster still works and can pump more healing than exo gloves every 40 seconds

[strong cave]

ah, damn, need to be tier 6 to get that bonus armor. healers could easily run this tho which would be busted

or a capacitor umbra build with skill tiers

YO THIS IS GONNA BE WILD. precision smart cover giving WICKED dttoc benefits. these umbra builds about to hit even worse. pvp stats enabled

[cerulean smelt]

i unintentional destroyed my capacitor shrugs goin to give this a shot though

[simple haven]

yeah the manhunt 4-stacks in chokepoints are gonna be ultra cancer in DZ

you see one of those now, just leave

the statcheck wall is going to be vertical

[subtle bluff]

The sucky thing we dunno if they're PvP stats for these like for other stuff since they didn't release any release notes.

[strong cave]

only one way to find out: hit up the dz right now

i HOPE those are the stats. they might be super dumbed down tho considering it is pvp

[light dome]

Any advice on gear for a tank build

[subtle bluff]

We honestly don't advise people to do tank builds.
There's only one place where we use a tank in raid for one fight.

[light dome]

What build would u recommend for a returning player

[subtle bluff]

Check out the Pinned Message Doc there's a build section with a bunch of builds

[cerulean smelt]

what passive modifiers are people running in this so far?

[subtle bluff]

I still haven't read them all tbh..

[cerulean smelt]

i like the sound of loaded up 25 of your chance is applied to your damage at tier 5 firearms

i assume this is bugged?

[strong cave]

as chow said, dont recommend tank builds. however tho, you can slap a few blue cores on striker and then run memento to increase survivability

thats pretty viable. best for solo play. for group play just run basic striker bc killing fast = survivability

[light grove]

This version of Smart Cover also reloads the weapon you swap out. I’d imagine most people run a bit of handling for some decent reloads but it’s there I guess

[strong cave]

its gonna be so fun in pvp i just wanna get all the new toys so i can do some testing 😩

these launchers are so fkn annoying

[light grove]

Was about to say, I was expecting it to be snappy like the sticky bomb. You do have to hold it to fire it.

the Smart Cover launcher at least.

[strong cave]

i was as well. i dislike you have to hold to fire it. makes sense tho for a balancing reason. however tho its literally the sticky. i was talking about the pier mission with the launcher hacking

[subtle bluff]

Use instant use skill and it take lil to no time to fire off the sticky.

[light grove]

Oh no shit, I forgot you have to be against cover to use it.

Ty i read everything but the text control on the bottom.

[cerulean smelt]

you know, was thinking i'd like to see a group of 4 oxy with smartcover in countdown at that last part would be hilarious

[strong cave]

that sounds busted. def gotta try that

[cerulean smelt]

i think even a duo might be rough

[subtle bluff]

for?

[cerulean smelt]

2 person smart cover + Oxydizer helicopter in Count down at the end

[subtle bluff]

oh

[cerulean smelt]

your thoughts?

[subtle bluff]

nego everything imo. LOL

Killing things from coppers are easy

[cerulean smelt]

true

[sturdy shore]

Hey guys any good rifle i use m1a but i want something dif o run full red build

[subtle bluff]

OD (Ongoing Directive)

[sturdy shore]

Its the named rifle?

[subtle bluff]

Change the Pinned Messages

[dreamy valve]

Testing this out once I get Expertise levels on it

[crude flame]

Anyone else stuff disappear from stash?

[subtle bluff]

visual bug

it should be able to see it still

[subtle bluff]

I think this gonna be great for HB.

[exotic tundra]

What could I use to make a birdie backpack combat medic build

[subtle bluff]

The FI support build is already really good. Unless you planning to rez people all the time Birdie isn't that good for healer vs BTSU

[exotic tundra]

Damn

[rich lotus]

Anybody got a build centered around mortar turret?

[cerulean smelt]

@hexed steppe check out their profile should see one in there

[pulsar stirrup]

Does anyone know who to report to at the bridge to go to the refinery because I've restarted the game twice and nothing

[subtle bluff]

It's the Pinned Messages. Gdoc

[nocturne socket]

Agents, please correct me if I'm wrong (my brain isn't braining ) but wasn't it the pilot?

Also, next time try posting in #ask-td2-community instead of build advice, might have a better chance of more people reacting to it in there. 😄

[pulsar stirrup]

After restarting the game 2 more times it finally said report to Hopkins, I just turned off the game after that

[light dome]

Which roll is better

[subtle bluff]

You want DTTooC (Dmg to Targets out of Cover). Idk what you have.

[static pewter]

Can anyone explain a scenario in which the "Cloak" named kneepads would be desirable?

[subtle bluff]

When you take too much agro?

[static pewter]

But the 2-piece bonus is 100% threat.. Just seems so weird

"I need to take a lot more aggro... but not THAT much aggro"

[subtle bluff]

You wouldn't use 2 pieces for that then...

[static pewter]

Yeah I suppose. Thanks for the reply

[dusk jasper]

Does anyone have any good PVE builds for Jammer/EMP spamming?

[cerulean smelt]

real spamming? Hardwire with a hive and you can spam all you want

[subtle bluff]

Find one channel and spam that all of them doesn't make it better for getting all your pings.

[cerulean smelt]

isn't it kind of funny how people do that though?
let me type this out highlight, copy
channel 1 cntrl+v enter
channel 2 cntrl+v enter
.....

[void coral]

Is striker still the go to "I've just returned the game and need some gear" set?

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much

more like, using it to get other pieces for other builds really

[void coral]

Thanks

I'm just running summit to grab some gear real quick and figure out where I'm gonna head from there, but the targetted loot makes a quick build easy enough

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, people would suggest running challenging countdown for builds
because it gives a sheer amount of loot per run, probably 2-3 runs total and you'll have a build together

[void coral]

Yeah trouble is I don't even know what to target any more

was just looking for something I understood to get me started so I can figure out what I want to be when I grow up:)

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages Gdoc has a ton of info.

It's not updated this season bt still good info

I give up typing

[void coral]

Yeah that was a bit overwhelming jumping back in after so long. Wanted to play while learning how to read that 🙂

[mellow tusk]

hey guys - im a returner player from the realese of warlords, can you help with a build? ive seen a streamer using a winchester build that whenever he shots in any part of the body, it counts as a headshot and that is a poker hud mechanic - i kinda like but he doenst show the build, you guys know what is?

[lucid wolf]

oh that's Aces &eights gearset and 1886 with determined talent. Just make sure to use chainkiller chestpiece where it comes with perfect headhunter talent for doing more headshot damage

[wild pond]

Decent replacement for the Lexington?
Dont have the Lexington, so trynna find something else

[subtle bluff]

Chainkiller and Determined MMR 4pc hotshot and BP with MMR dmg and Vigl

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message Gdoc Builds

[solar sable]

you need DTOC on it and it's all good

[mellow tusk]

thank you so much, i just dont understand why his using aces e eights if hotshot seens better in that case

[frigid nimbus]

Holy moly

2 piece imminence + 3 piece foundry + ninjabike makes for an insanely funny pistol dps tank build

[wild pond]

What is Dtoc?
Sorry still learning

[solar sable]

DMG to Target out of Cover

[wild pond]

Gotcha, thanks 😁

[solar sable]

nw

[lucid wolf]

1886 is a rifle not a marksman rifle and hotshot cannot be applied since the talent is focus on marksman rifle

[lucid wolf]

bruh🤣🤣🤣🤣

[frigid nimbus]

One Million Damage Per Shot using the liberty with a Tier 5 Bulwark Shield

[lucid wolf]

pve right

[frigid nimbus]

Yeah, for PVE

I plowed through some heroic missions without much issue

[lucid wolf]

nice

[lucid wolf]

thought u gonna say dz 🤣

[frigid nimbus]

Absolutely not

I personally ran it with survivalist for fire grenades, sledgehammer (Lefty or stage left), and armor kits for teammates

Which is why I used the bulwark chestpiece for more health regen

[strong cave]

Beautiful poor man's Lexington. It does 4k less damage but shoots slightly faster than the lex. Honestly I'd say trading 4k damage for more rpm isn't a bad thing. You sling bullets quicker as opposed to hitting harder. Don't believe me, use the famas and then swap to an MK16 or AKM and see which one you like better

If you throw expertise on it, only a few levels, it becomes up to par with the base-stat-no-expertise Lexington (2-5 levels id say, which is cheap)

[hushed gorge]

@strong cave @barren tartan
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