td2-build-advice

[molten stream]

so im still kinda lost on division 2 builds since it was way more expansive then division 1. is striker still a top tier dps build for this game?

[sullen night]

Yes, check out the pinned spreadsheet for a lot of builds, it also has a Striker's

[prime elbow]

Any rifles recommendations? Just a decent one to run with a all Red build

[azure plank]

Dogface or Coyote's mask?

[red island]

m1a is fine

[azure plank]

What's the difference, Name and damage?

[red island]

its a joke item for aprils fools

[pastel shard]

u cant equip dogface

[azure plank]

Wow I noticed now, Well played Ubi well Played

I was so happy that I got an exotic item from summit after completing 66 floor

[waxen sage]

aww man you cant equip the meme items? that means they'll probably take them away i was gonna collect em all

[azure plank]

Or you can have it, but it won't take space?

can you get exotic items from summit?

[waxen sage]

yep yep

[azure plank]

normal mode or anything else?

[waxen sage]

i think on normal difficulty they CAN spawn but they've got a really low chance

the higher the difficulty the better

[azure plank]

I didn't received any exotic yet, i'm on 71 floor

[waxen sage]

yeah like, REALLY low

[still lodge]

What builds does memento go into nicely? I saw a blue striker memento build but im not really sure if that would be worth it

[vestal ibex]

Solo? Put memento in it.

Feelsgoodman

It's a very all around good backpack/exotic choice. There isn't a best build for it as it'll work on anything well.

[sharp rampart]

anything for solo play, memento sucks to use with a team

[still lodge]

Alright, yea I usually play solo. Its my first exotic piece so I just wanted some advice

[sullen night]

I've been using a Hunter's Fury SMG/Scorpio build with Memento for a long time, it worked very well for me even with low SHD/Expertise

[sharp rampart]

like @sullen night said, hunters fury memento is super good, it's what i played for a long when it first dropped. you kill fast and pick up your trophies right after

[radiant bear]

solo regen darkzone build with memento goes crazy

i got 100k armor regen at max

memento gives 3% regen on top of good damage

so its a good trade-off for the ninjabag since that gives more than a golan set or something that u would use, and then u can invest even another piece into damage

[signal pelican]

Is striker memento still a thing?

All blues striker and memento.

[versed summit]

i mean, I guess.

I just wouldn't run it with more than 4 blues, it's overkill.

at least with 4 blues and below you're bufffing your shield, after that it's excessive

[hazy steeple]

You can run it with even less, since Memento gives you a blue and yellow.
@signal pelican I wouldn't go higher than 1-2 other blue rolls.

[versed summit]

4 gets you to T6 shield. Which is objectively pretty justifiable.

1-2 is probably more optimal, but is more arbitrary IMO

[hazy steeple]

It'll also kneecap your damage a fair bit, meaning you have to rely more on building stacks up.
I'd honestly suggest to run it with none, but if you really need the armour cores, as few as possible is better.

[glad pilot]

is the guy who made teh builder spreadsheet here?

[versed summit]

yes why?

[glad pilot]

Why cant i select a weapon talent

[versed summit]

did you make a copy?

[glad pilot]

Theres no dropdown menus

I mean if i didnt illd ask why cant i edit anything, not just weapon talents

[glad pilot]

Thanks g

[versed summit]

you don't like thee knees?

[violet juniper]

I don't like the talent that makes it worthless, no lol

[versed summit]

it's a solid talent

[violet juniper]

I don't get what it does

it makes me not do damage?

Doesn't mention a cool down, so I have to assume it's a 50/50 chance on every bullet

that will basically take so much more effort to kill heavies or robots because their armour values are weird

The only use I can think of is nego

[pastel shard]

what cooldown?

[violet juniper]

For the turmoil kneepads

[glad pilot]

@versed summit Also, i believe the 'incoming repair' stat is missing from dropdown menus

[violet juniper]

it doesn't mention a cool down, so I have to assume there isn't one

[prime elbow]

Is there a easier way to find the extended mag BP or I just have to get lucky?

[versed summit]

It's there. just checked. It's only a mod

[glad pilot]

then the catharsis interaction is weird

[versed summit]

yeah every shot does 50% damage and transfers from my understanding.

[pastel shard]

essentially it splits your damage 50/50 you do 50% to what your shooting and 50% to a random enemy within 30m. it is kinda bugged atm to let u do more damage when you ahve things such as DTOC, glass cannon n some other things

[versed summit]

yes it is. it's the only piece with incoming as an attribute.

like how capacitor has DTA as a second attribute instead of DTH

[prime elbow]

I might be going crazy but I think it spreads from the random enemy so it kinda chains into everyone within 30 meters from whoever is getting shot

[versed summit]

just RNG

[prime elbow]

ugh

[pastel shard]

you are crazu

[prime elbow]

Running this so idk

[pastel shard]

ye thats jus ur pestilance spreading 💀

[prime elbow]

dont even know if its viable, but it sure is fun

[glad pilot]

i wonder if bluescreen works with it

[pastel shard]

from the looks of it most types of talent interaction doesnt really work like busy bee doesnt give you 2 stacks from 1 shot ect

[prime elbow]

that would be amazing

I hope they keep the Turmoil, its fun

[pastel shard]

they probs will

i dont see em going through the effort to jus keep it for 1 day/week

[prime elbow]

Its a first of a kind right? Apart from exotics

[pastel shard]

in what way

i think we have a dif pair of named kneepads with a talent

snow machine iirc

[prime elbow]

theres another?

didn't know

[pastel shard]

from winter iirc

[signal pelican]

I like playing a tank and dps. I like having a very high armor level. But also like dps in it.

[hazy steeple]

Div2 doesn't really do "tank", even if you specifically build for it.

[signal pelican]

I tried the head hunter build and found it meh

[solar sable]

why tho?

[hazy steeple]

Headhunter on what build?

[bold leaf]

I really hope it was Chainkiller with an armour core

[hazy steeple]

crit MMR is my bet.

[signal pelican]

Chain killer for perfection no armour

[solar sable]

with perfection? wdym ;-;

[signal pelican]

Chain killer has headhunter perfection

[onyx sage]

perfect headhunter, but are you using an auto translator?

[patent fossil]

which part of it did you find meh? You can basically one-shot everything, with the new knees you can one-shot two enemies at a time

[solar sable]

I really hope we can keep these april fools items

[hazy steeple]

Wait a tic, are you trying to use it on your armour Striker setup?

[patent fossil]

unless you're running it with full-auto weapons or something

[tardy yarrow]

Any good builds I can copy ?

[bold leaf]

Spreadsheet in pinned messages has everything you need

[tardy yarrow]

I new if you don’t mind helping me out on looking for it 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[signal pelican]

I'll send what I've been using that I enjoy. Here it is.
Stalker mask with blue core
6% crit and 13% protection to elites
Stalker chest with blue core
Crit damage 12% and 13% protection to elites.
Stalker holster blue core
13% crit damage.
Momento 13% protection from elites.
Stalker gloves blue core
Crut chance 6%
Steelwork kneepads blue core crit chance and crit damage. Thinking of changing steel works into something else already have gunner for armor on kill.

Also I use st elmos

[glad pilot]

@versed summit TTK Based on which armor value?

[bold leaf]

Is this for PvE?

[signal pelican]

Yes as I only use pve

[bold leaf]

I see

Are you looking for advice on how to improve it?

[signal pelican]

Yeah

I was think of changing knee pads to turmoil for ceska

[bold leaf]

What is it not doing for you at the moment? I'm guessing nothing dies

[tardy yarrow]

Can I add one of you guys so we can farm the sets ?

[signal pelican]

No stuff dies real fast

[bold leaf]

Are you playing on normal?

[quiet quarry]

thanks for the spread sheet have been wanting to get back in the game but a lil over whelmed, with all the updates

[signal pelican]

I play heroic

Oops challenging 4 directives

[bold leaf]

Not sure what you're looking for then tbh. If you have a build and you are able to clear content quickly, you're fine

It's the opposite of what I would run but that's of no help to you I guess

[signal pelican]

OK I just was wandering to improve it.

[violet juniper]

If you want a true one shot everything speedrun build, use Regulus PHHF

It's just as mechanically boring and OP as striker is though

[bold leaf]

Well if you step up to higher difficulties, raids, incursion etc you'd do well to have a red core striker build on you

[signal pelican]

Ok

[signal pelican]

If I need a red one I can just switch it to all red

[urban latch]

Big disagree lol

[bold leaf]

Striker is so easy to get, might as well have a second set to hand. Or just ditch the blue one altogether

[tardy yarrow]

anybody wanna farm sets ?

[onyx sage]

wdym, getting consistent headshots back to back is super mechanically boring. there's no skill expression gap between that and striker at all

idk if i sound like an actual average player with this one

[urban latch]

The mask is slipping

[onyx sage]

💀

[signal pelican]

Wow welcome to the division 2

[urban latch]

You pass for an average player if the sarcasm gets missed

[patent fossil]

average player more likely to complain that regulus is impossible to get

[onyx sage]

or the opposite where they don't care about it at all because determined

[violet juniper]

point at head, press fire button

versus point and hold fire button

boooooring

[urban latch]

I mean.... If you reduce it that much lol

[violet juniper]

Especially with HF, you just get close and headshot

If they survive the first shot, shoot them again

[onyx sage]

sounds very easy for you huh

[prime elbow]

wtf was I doing before taking a break?

[violet juniper]

yeah it is for me lmao

that's why Regulus sits in my stash unused, same as striker

If I wanted to play a boring point and click, I'd play battlefield

[versed summit]

anyone answer you?

I haven't a clue and tbh it's pretty irrelevant since everyone's build has different armor values anyways.

[violet juniper]

There's so much variety in division, and all people do is run the same builds.

[onyx sage]

if i were you i'd go one tap every legendary to make it less boring instead of think about how boring it is in heroic

[violet juniper]

I don't enjoy legendary

[onyx sage]

if something feels too boring for you then make it harder

[violet juniper]

the build makes it boring.

[onyx sage]

okay so it's boring for you

every shooting build in this game has pointing and clicking

[violet juniper]

I use bighorn high end because I enjoy having to actually think and take my time with shots

[waxen sage]

yea the vast majority of people are gonna run whats strongest, people enjoy being powerful lol

[onyx sage]

nah that's boring to me because it's just pointing and clicking

[violet juniper]

Then don't play

[onyx sage]

same goes to you?

[violet juniper]

no I just don't use meta trash

[waxen sage]

😭 💀

[violet juniper]

striker=trash and I'll die on that hill

[onyx sage]

and 2 people care about that

[violet juniper]

much rather a nice Nego build

[subtle bluff]

He's a solo player. They're a solo mindset

[onyx sage]

i'm a solo player too

[subtle bluff]

No you're the average player

[waxen sage]

if doubling your total weapon damage is trash then what on earth is good

[violet juniper]

I don't mind striker players but only when I'm running an OD build, then they're actually useful

[onyx sage]

it's still subjective so i'll give them that

[versed summit]

when are you useful?

[onyx sage]

but calling headhunting as boring as striker requires you to stretch so much your back gives out

[violet juniper]

didn't say it was trash damage wise, it's the average best build in game. It's trash because it's boring, too easy to get, and far too strong for people to try using anything else

[waxen sage]

whats boring is playing WITH a headhunter. my friend plays headhunter and i cannot get a kill when he's around 😔

[onyx sage]

why drive a car to work? it's too boring. just walk or take a bus and enjoy the scenery

[subtle bluff]

He wants to challenge himself with his "off-meta" build but then won't take on a challenge in legendary missions.
It is what it is with these mindsets.

[violet juniper]

with OD? I don't know, when I'm providing a minimum 20% damage boost to the entire party, or applying a 40% debuff to chunky enemies with Scorpio Setup? Gee, I can't think of a time that would be useful

[onyx sage]

frog in a well ahh

[violet juniper]

I play legendary at least once a week

I just don't like striker, sue me for it

[onyx sage]

and no one cares

[violet juniper]

Then move on

[waxen sage]

its just rather silly to think you're better than other people just because they use the strongest build in the game, the point of endgame for a lot of people is to get as strong as humanly possible not to innovate

[violet juniper]

I didn't say that

[subtle bluff]

I don't. I just hate players that join a team and are a crutch for the team by not bring good DPS/Damge or a support that works.

[onyx sage]

i'm just here because you said headhunting is as boring as striker

[violet juniper]

No, I said PHHF Regulus is boring

normal sniper Headhunter is fun as hell

[subtle bluff]

The gameplay is fun when the team works well together either thru comms or gameplay.

[versed summit]

good thing you have striker builds to buff or that'd be useless

[onyx sage]

i don't see how normal sniping or regulus is any different

[fair dragon]

Why walk? Transform into a penguin and waddle

[waxen sage]

i need to put together one of those scorpio builds that just debuffs things, having those in a heroic countdown speeds things up so much

[onyx sage]

why have legs to walk? just use a wheelchair

[solar sable]

I wanted regular but as an average player I ran out of multiplayer

[violet juniper]

it's pretty damn fun

[mint axle]

Join the Linux gamers...

[violet juniper]

I run a GR9 with my setup so I can supply the team with 100 bullets every kill

[onyx sage]

here's the kicker... they always get half their mag's worth

so you're wrong

[violet juniper]

GR9 has 200 bullets

[proven merlin]

who cares about if a build is or isnt boring? everyones way of playing is boring to someone, just get over it and play how you want and stop caring about if its boring or not

[versed summit]

it's not affected by your mag size, just theirs

[onyx sage]

lol

[violet juniper]

oop

[proven merlin]

also where tf did my credits go

[violet juniper]

Eh, that means I can use scorpio more!

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm not taking your opinion seriously

[fair dragon]

The irony that you buffing Striker players makes it even more boring.

[violet juniper]

I'm sorry I forgot one minor detail

f#ck me you're pathetic.

[onyx sage]

this isn't the first conversation you've been in where you're wrong so

[proven merlin]

whos yapping about what

why is there always a build argument goin on in here

[violet juniper]

i appreciate the info though, I was using Scorpio less because I was worried my teammates would only get 4 hollow point bullets per kill

[versed summit]

something to talk about]

[violet juniper]

I'm keeping the GR9 though. I love that thing

[proven merlin]

fair

i cant believe im testing this shite

[violet juniper]

Well, you'll definitely be hard to kill

[versed summit]

pls no

[proven merlin]

should i use mosquito instead for forced aggro?

[onyx sage]

cuz every convo in here falls into these camps

1. goes into build advice, asks for advice, gets advice they don't like, argue
2. questions why people play the same build, gets the reasoning, argue anyway
3. complains game too hard, people give advice, says they don't need advice, people tell them not to complain, complains anyway, argue

[violet juniper]

doesn't mosquito shift aggro onto someone else, not you?

[proven merlin]

truer words never been spoken

[versed summit]

no

[proven merlin]

no it puts it on the last person to add the stack

[violet juniper]

Then use mosquito I guess

or run eagle Bearer for even more damage reduction

[versed summit]

if you're solo it won't matter, if you're grouped it also doesnt matter

[proven merlin]

yeah just remembered i need 4 stack for full proc

[waxen sage]

oh trust me i would love nothing more than to run the eagle bearer if i could

[onyx sage]

i tried testing it in solo to see if the armor/armor plate debuff is worth it or not but it's just clunky

the aggro mechanic is just useless

[violet juniper]

I saw this build today. Absolute gem

[versed summit]

yeah if you're gonna mess with that blb makes more sense imo

[violet juniper]

Poor guy was doing backup calls

[onyx sage]

and even then blb is still clunky for me

[versed summit]

yeah big time

[proven merlin]

sticker perm allowed
gets deleted anyways

[versed summit]

sticker?

I barely know her

[onyx sage]

💀

[proven merlin]

funny how you cant use other servers stickers but it theyre in your frequently used, you can

[violet juniper]

I'm sorry who is deleting stickers?

[versed summit]

why are you still posting them...

[violet juniper]

Because it's a sticker

it's literally just a sticker, I don't understand what's wrong about it

[proven merlin]

......

weird stuff can be posted...

[violet juniper]

Then delete the weird ones?

[versed summit]

send a modmail or something

[proven merlin]

or just prevent the problem in the first place and remove sticker perms

problem solved

[violet juniper]

so it can be ignored lmao

[versed summit]

better than posting stupid off topic crap here

[violet juniper]

ah yes, one sticker

the end of the world, shut down the server!

I would use division stickers, if there were any

[proven merlin]

you can either take it face value or make a stink in mod mail and get ignored pick your poison

[violet juniper]

or I can just keep posting the occasional sticker because it's completely harmless lol

why would I purposely put weird sh#t and get banned when I get a lot of good advice from here?

not even for the advice, just in general. It's sad to post stuff of that nature where it's not wanted

[proven merlin]

its not about wether its weird or not its that you aint s'posed to, and you keep doing it

[violet juniper]

Rules don't say a thing about stickers.

and one sticker maybe every week or so is not spamming

[hazy steeple]

Okay, back to build advice now, folks.

[violet juniper]

🤦‍♂️

so I'm curious, how would I set up a refactor build?

Is the healing related to skill healing or is it a standalone value

[versed summit]

it's not buffed by skill repair

[proven merlin]

refactor healing is based on skill dmg

[violet juniper]

would it be worth running something like overwatch with sniper turret then?

[versed summit]

you could theoretically go Wyvern+ Waveform if taking the set chest and using tech support, but uh, I haven't found the time to add that in. also mortar seems to work well.

[versed summit]

is sniper turret worth running?

[proven merlin]

some people use assault + striker

i use hive + mortar

[violet juniper]

Sniper turret seems easier to use than artillery, and doesn't require you sacrificing technician for demolitionist

plus nice chunky damage

[versed summit]

yeah but it's a bad skill

[proven merlin]

ive tried sniper and i get better healing from mortar

but if you cant consistent healing, use striker drone + assault turret

[violet juniper]

Id probably use test subject so striker is a must

could I swap turret for seeker mines?

seekers get a huge buff if you use the right modifiers

[proven merlin]

more dmg = more burst heal

[violet juniper]

If I used seeker mines over a turret, would this be the best setup? for refactor

[versed summit]

yeah looks good

[violet juniper]

sick, I'll probably start farming tmrw

I need to get familiar with skill builds

[merry marlin]

So I've redone my old red build and I was in the shooting range, is 2.7mil - 3mil good damage range?

This was done on the elite target

[urban latch]

The range calc is pretty useless, you can just post a pic of your build and we can give some advice

[merry marlin]

I can take a screenshot and send what I got on right now

[urban latch]

The new knees are sort of situational. Probably wouldn't have them on for general use. Ideally you'd get a backpack with vigilance and foxes knees, but your on the right track for a high end build

[merry marlin]

the fox prayer's knee pads?

[onyx sage]

yeah for the multiplicative

[merry marlin]

Ok I got those on now

If I remember correctly, is 60% the max crit chance the game allows or can you go higher?

[prime elbow]

Negotiator + Turmoil + Ridgway is viable? If yes what weapons should I run with it

[junior surge]

Yea, 60 is the max

[merry marlin]

ok im sitting at 49.3% on my Baker's Dozen and 44.8% on Eagle Bearer

[hexed steppe]

do you know if seekers snapshot skill damage?

[echo fox]

Why can't I optimize these??

Never mind I figured it out lol

[versed summit]

I am not sure

[hexed steppe]

ill have to check, i rarely run seekers. they might take the buff after deploy tho. mortar does which is why pca works good for it.

[hexed steppe]

missing max roll , ig

i kinda wish they never made optimization linked to library rolls. kinda screwed up the ability to max out gear for new agents that had mats to spare

[echo fox]

Ya I think it's cause the stat in my library isn't higher so I can only optimize it up to what I have as my max

[hexed steppe]

yeah, used to be a lot better

[echo fox]

It takes up a lot of mats too

[hexed steppe]

at least its only temporary. you can usually get the main attributes maxed in library fairly quick. plenty of god rolled 5.11 pieces dropping

[solar berry]

Does turmoil named kneepads help striker stacks or no?

I know it’s great with ND set

I feel like it does. Just want confirmation

[subtle bluff]

It shouldn't since it doesn't count as a weapon hit.

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔

[dreamy valve]

How long will the April Fools gear will be available as loot

[hazy steeple]

#ask-td2-community is a better place for that question, but we have no idea.
Likely a week, possibly more.

[signal pelican]

What's the best rifle not using "1886 rifle".

[hazy steeple]

the m1a family is still great, special shout-out to the "m1a classic".

[signal pelican]

Ok

I have a godroll set with hotshot nemesis and 1886 determined but it gets boring. I also tried a hunters fury build to.

[solar berry]

So apparently turmoil only works with preservation talent. But don’t work from any other source to proc or stacks

Weird how turmoil only procs/works with one talent only

[signal pelican]

Turmoil is still awesome for it just being a cesca piece I think.

[solar berry]

Single target dmg gets nerfed heavy tho

[signal pelican]

Oh

[solar berry]

Single target dmg gets nerfed by 50% cuz other 50% goes to random enemy with 30m. If none, it’s full single target dmg

So far, not worth tbh. But if it works like stacking and ect with other talents/gearsets. would be more worth

[signal pelican]

Wait when did this nerf happend I quit playing a year ago because of them nerfing stuff and thought of coming back?

@solar berry

Now I've google about it no thanks I don't think I'm coming back nerfing my favorite weapon 6 months ago oof. St elmos!

[solar sable]

bruh it's not that nerfed.

y'all yap for a 1% nerf like c'mon

[rich lotus]

Literally nothing got nerfed

A new item was added for April Fools

[solar sable]

"6 months ago"

he's not speaking of today

[rich lotus]

ya that elmo “nerf” wasnt even a nerf

[rich lotus]

also was referring to this

[shy willow]

Less single target dps for really nice multi target dps and you don't need nego

Budget

[tacit goblet]

Budget Negotiator?

[violet juniper]

Would be interesting if it synergizes with pestilence

Have stacks flying everywhere

[wheat coyote]

Is there a critical hit damage exotic ar or legendary ar weapon perk close or equivalent to the bighorns headshot damage?

[shy willow]

No lol

Bighorn hits way harder than anything else

[patent fossil]

There's backfire, 200% chd at max stacks

[patent fossil]

It's great if your build is OP for the content you're running, eg full red striker in solo heroic. It's faster and easier to burn down one target in 2s than two targets in 1s each since you don't have to re-aim or obtain los.
Headhunter stack damage also doesn't get the nerf but applies in full to both targets, which is broken strong. It does take twice as long to build stacks though, can be a bit awkward.

[glad pilot]

Nope

[tawny copper]

How would the perfect Striker´s Build look like? Does anyone have a spreadsheet for that so I know what to farm for

[sullen night]

pinned spreadsheet has the "cookie cutter" striker setups

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.
It's easier to do Crit because it can land anywhere on anything.
HSD can only hit the head. It doesn't work on things without heads or with armor plates covering them.
I am a BH user, but for only some content, there is a limit to its abilities.

[cerulean smelt]

there is an exotic ar that has a mechanic that increases both crit chance and crit damage, but it runs like an SMG which you'd need to be in close to make effective

[hazy steeple]

It also has a range of 20m, meaning that you need to be able to see up an enemies nostrils to get it to function.

[cerulean smelt]

lol, love that description

[sullen night]

Yea I'm going for a build for that, since my current build has 21m range it should be my jam

[cerulean smelt]

i do use it on my second account since i don't have all the exotics or weapons for it

quite intersting to run it with 4 pc striker, 1 grupo, turmoil and chameleon

wonder how many people like DOD don't like the turmoil knees?

[tawny copper]

Whats better to use on Striker? Armor regen, or Armor on Kill?

Oh nvm I get it its regen

I used the wrong stats ._.

[patent fossil]

Most people use crit stats and mods, and the armour on kill comes from the gunner spec.

[cerulean smelt]

which ironically gets boosted from Turmoil from the looks of it

[glad pilot]

how thl did u even get to that conclusion 🤣

[tawny copper]

I want more survivability from my Striker build thats why im asking

[glad pilot]

yea thats not gonna happen

[cerulean smelt]

about only survivability i can see from it if you nerf yourself and get them cores to armor but would take you so long to kill 1 enemy at that kind of build i'd think

[tawny copper]

do I need to use the Striker chest piece?

[glad pilot]

usually no

[tawny copper]

Okay Im just r-word then 😔

I always used it and wondered why I dont get full stacks..

Ceska Chest it is then I guess?

[glad pilot]

i only use it in incursion, legendary, and ocasioanally countdown

ye

[tawny copper]

Ohhhh I get it now

Ceska chest with which stats? Crit stats?

[glad pilot]

yuh

[patent fossil]

If you're using the new kneepads then perfect glass cannon is a good choice for chest (may demand you learning how to better avoid incoming damage though)

It's a good choice regardless of the knees tbf

[wheat coyote]

Thanks for the info. I slapped in Orob on my build with crit attributes and it SLAPS.

[tawny copper]

Perfect Glasscannon?

[patent fossil]

Providence named chest called 'The Sacrifice'

The talent is perfect glass cannon

[tawny copper]

Ohhh that sounds actually dope. The new kneepads "reduce" your dmg by 50% but perfect glasscannon gives u extra 30 dmg but you take more damage so that... OMG I couldve done so much more damage all the time

[patent fossil]

30% amp damage to all targets, but you take 60% more damage
The kneepads spilt damage but the amp applies to the secondary target again, so you actually do >100% damage total

[tawny copper]

only 20% less damage then? talking about the kneeeeepads

kneepads*

oops xD

[patent fossil]

Well, the most common alternative is obliterate which gives 25% total weapon damage, so it's only 5% more to your primary target, but glass cannon also applies the amp to your secondary target while obliterate does not.

[tawny copper]

So in order to play Striker perfectly. You´d want to get as much damage as you can, so every kill you do gives you armor back (?)

Using the Gunner tho

[patent fossil]

If you're playing striker perfectly, you'll be taking hardly any damage, so the armour back isn't that important. Killing things as fast as possible is important.

[tawny copper]

I play very aggresive so I think thats gonna be the way then

Imma get that chest piece

[patent fossil]

Glass cannon will force you to be more aware of your position and where enemies are, you take a lot more damage so it might be difficult at first, but it'll get easier with practice

[tawny copper]

So should I run an Ninja BP then instead of the Coyotes? I do plan on doing that now :D

[patent fossil]

No, you'll lose a lot of damage with ninjabag

Coyotes or the new kneepads is the way to go. Or a providence/ceska backpack with vigilance.

[solar berry]

I would be nice if many things synergies with the named piece tho. But sadly it doesn’t. I get your point yes

If it did worked with striker stacks for example. The chest piece makes it more worth to use.

[patent fossil]

Yeah it has to have some downsides to counteract the strengths, it won't work with every build (things like negotiatiors and ongoing directive wouldn't be great, lots of on kill stuff too)

[tawny copper]

I think imma take the Ceska backpack instead tho luckily I have one with full crit stats just need to roll Vigilance on it

ah wait nvm

[solar berry]

The crit stacking with Strega on ND would be amazing if it did work well with turnmoil

Or striker Strega

[patent fossil]

Strega on ND is removing a lot of its potential already, striker is best fit for strega

But yeah on kill talents generally won't work as well with the new knees, excepting headhunter which is just broken

[solar berry]

I just simply wished it have synergy with more stuff in general. Since the single target dmg simply got nerfed in half

[patent fossil]

I think it's more balanced this way, or they'd end up being bis on every dps build, which would be a shame

[tawny copper]

What does headhunter do tho

[solar berry]

I mean 😪 it’s meant simply for ad clear

[bright raptor]

yeah I'd really prefer not to have a second Lexington situation again

[hazy steeple]

Headhunter:

Damage is capped to 800% of your weapon damage. This is raised to 1250% if your headshot damage is greater than 150%.```

Perfect changes the 125% to 150%.

[bright raptor]

imagine if every other day there was another person asking for when the Lexington and Turmoil will be available again

[hazy steeple]

Imagine?

Lex requests are about 12 times a day, on the low end.

[solar berry]

I’m still simply waiting on the reissue Lexington

[patent fossil]

Headhunter adds a whole bunch of extra damage after the 50% damage nerf is applied, then gives that damage to both primary and secondary targets of the knees. Basically just gives you two kills on every shot with the knees, although building stacks at the start is harder.

[solar berry]

So I can get my Lexington and run 2 of them for memes

AR and DMR versions at once

I wonder 🤔 head hunter, turnmoil and regular for a build

Would I get double explosions on kills

[hazy steeple]

I can confirm that using the Regular will not get you double explosions.

Mostly because you can't use the Regular.

[solar berry]

I said regular on purpose

[patent fossil]

Pretty sure regulus won't give you double explosions either

The shared damage is not a headshot and doesn't proc most on kill talents

[solar berry]

Oof

[bright raptor]

I should stick it on... I have to go back to the all high end headshot build though argh

also I can recalibrate the Turmoil to have headshot damage, right?

[patent fossil]

I don't think so, haven't actually checked

It's not got proficiency though

[hazy steeple]

My bet is that it's pulling an Adrestia.

[tawny copper]

Tormoil has fixed stats cant do anything

[cerulean smelt]

from what dod showed in his video we can utilize armor on kill mechanics from the turmoil knees

[analog pulsar]

Wait why are we talking bout Lexington

Did they announce we can have one ?

[patent fossil]

Nope, sometimes it just comes up in conversation naturally.

[analog pulsar]

Oh 😦

[candid talon]

What's the best third roll for a Nemesis PHH build? DttooC or DTH?

[patent fossil]

Dtooc

When it comes to weapon third stats, the answer is almost always dtooc.

[candid talon]

Okay. 18 rolls. Could be worse.

I heard you can roll Skill Damage on Capacitor?

[vestal ibex]

No. You want DTTOOC again.

The way capacitor works will give you skill damage as you gain stacks tho.

[glad pilot]

am i tweakin or the determined builds with turmoil doesnt split the damage?

[bright raptor]

Headhunter appears to add damage after the split

[fair dragon]

Take a shot of your favourite non-alcoholic beverage whenever someone asks about the Lexington. For me, it would be iced seawater.

[glad pilot]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh how does that work

[mellow elm]

For me it's Coffee.

[manic lantern]

Guys, how effective is going to be use sharpshooter tactical drone instead of LLP for HB full red build/cayote?

[vestal ibex]

HH just cares less about the way turmoil works, which seems to do a 50% -amp in part of the damage equation then later HH gets applied and it affects it much less.

[vestal ibex]

Just try it out and see for yourself as everyones results vary a bit.

It will be less effective but is that enough to ruin it for you? Gotta see.

[urban latch]

The main problem with it is its super inconsistent with pulsing targets, where the pulse laser instantly pulses the moment you aim at a a target. Plus your spending either a skill slot or a mod slot, and the skill slot is generally much more valuable.

[prime elbow]

What guns and sets works with the Turmoil? I'm running 4 red cores striker coyote and the pestilence

[analog pulsar]

Do we play impulse with coil modifier this season on Foam build ?

[vestal ibex]

Everything that includes you shooting works with turmoil considering it's weapon damage.

[fresh fox]

lowkey hunter fury’s is kinda buns with turmoil because you have to run bag/chest

unless it’s hhf

[prime elbow]

I'm assuming as long it has high damage is good

[fresh fox]

then it’s kinda chill

[vestal ibex]

Turmoil is only gonna be good in HH/determined builds imo

[prime elbow]

What's hhf

[fresh fox]

headhunter (chest talent) with hunters fury

[fresh fox]

is there any niches with it in something like lovebirds/tanker?

[vestal ibex]

The damage gain you can get from double dipping some stats is lost very quickly once you notice you are splitting damage to things that are dead or have armor.

[vestal ibex]

Tanker is doo doo to me cause it'll split on dead bodies or something, lovebirds is pretty sick for pubs/speeds.

You just kill all the extra adds on lovebirds with no real down side.

[fresh fox]

interesting

rip the tanker idea but the lovebirds one is neat

[vestal ibex]

I was shooting the last chunga and it was the only thing alive and here I am splitting damage...

[patent fossil]

It's bad with stuff like nego that spreads upfront damage, ongoing where you want to kill in one mag to keep your ammo up, and other on-kill things like strega or killer where you basically lose chances to proc the buff
Great on striker though, especially if you're burning down enemies really quickly (eg in solo)

[fresh fox]

i didn’t know it split to dead people so that’s kinda lame :(

[vestal ibex]

We think it's chunga dead bodies as you can shoot their armor while it's on the ground still. It's also the worst cause it seems to transfer to it with no result as it doesn't work on plates and such.

[west badge]

Its okay with headhunter nemesis

its a meh item

[patent fossil]

It's great with headhunter if you have enough overkill to build stacks easily, can be painful to stack if you're only barely hitting the 1-shot breakpoints without it though

Can hotswap it in after building stacks though

[vestal ibex]

If you are shooting flesh enemies and there isn't any chungas around it's good because it's double dipping and saving you aiming time/over shooting but once you get something your damage transfers to and does nothing it kinda goes out the window so hard.

[west badge]

it seems to be of use with HH mostly

thing is, it can attract unnecessary aggro

[fresh fox]

@vestal ibex do you know if when you shoot an armor plate with turmoil do you do just do full damage instead of it trying to split?

i was thinking about trying it on morazova maybe

[vestal ibex]

If there is something to split on it will split and if it picks something it doesn't apply to it's just damage out the window, this has been my experience. I should note this is just a small amount of testing and vid review from a couple incursions last night.

[vestal ibex]

Doing pre damage while she is in the trailer to speed up things?

[patent fossil]

Shooting a chunga or something currently does spread damage to other nearby enemies

[vestal ibex]

But if it picks a chunga to spread to it does nothing.

[west badge]

Yeah, they're niche pad

[patent fossil]

It's hard to tell without specific testing but quite possibly. Then many times it's best to target the chunga first.

[vestal ibex]

Then if you kill said chunga and work on an enemy next to them I'm pretty sure it can pick the dead chunga armor plates and transfer to it.

[patent fossil]

It might just be spreading the damage across all plates like nego?

[vestal ibex]

Problem is it says it doesn't work on plates at all.

[patent fossil]

That definitely needs specific testing in different situations to see if it's really what's happening

Might be spreading the damage to the tanker itself or some other destructable

It seems to bypass plates on warhounds and just damage their health directly like nego

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, probably gonna use DUA leggy heli+hallway to test this stuff.

[kindred mango]

What about vs Buddy and Lucy? Anyone try yet for fun?

[vestal ibex]

Just one shot them imo

[kindred mango]

Well yeah hehe

[vestal ibex]

It should be doable with 1 BLB player tho.

[fresh fox]

no just headhunter ad clear

just wanted to make sure it would still do full damage to chunga while sniping

[vestal ibex]

Oh idk cause the guns on the train can be shot, might go to them.

[patent fossil]

It'll reduce the bullet damage but existing hh stacks will still do their normal damage, so overall slightly lower damage but not much

Assuming you already have full stacks

[vestal ibex]

That's worth a test tho. It'll be qol but who knows some funky stuff could happen.

[patent fossil]

Whether it kills/damages a second target or not might prove unpredictable, definitely

Might be able to break Wall street APC stage with it like determined does

Want to see how it interacts with the boss door in GWH as well

[fresh fox]

i don’t think i’ll be able to break with half stacks if i do it but that’s ok maybe

i’ll run an ih later to test

[patent fossil]

It takes a lot longer to build stacks in the first place, that's the main thing to work around

[fresh fox]

it’ll be ok

it’s a pure nemesis headhunt section

might not be able to start off of a purple?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah also if it's pubs you might not have the full buffs you'd expect in a proper set up but if it's doable in pubs then ez for speeds.

[patent fossil]

Can also just stack up without the knees then swap them on if you've got the time

[vestal ibex]

yeah tons of time to hot swap during that fight

You've just gotta account for stability and damage loss from ceska knees.

[fresh fox]

only thing i’d be missing is like OD

[manic lantern]

Sooo, I played full red striker, I played full red HB and mixed HB. All fine and good, especially with LLP and pyro/microwave coils.

Buut, I decided to do something a bit loco. And well, I jsut finished heroic bank and well... this shouldn`t work, but damn I facetanked everything on my way, hell, I had bigger problems of finding more ammo then fighting. Juggernauts were running for they life but i was faster. its disgusting, but beutiful.

[fresh fox]

ok from just testing in the range it makes it so i get stacks at a rate of thirds

so ill need to have 2/3 headhunter to break chunga but it would work

[magic pilot]

"I had bigger problems finding ammo"

That tells me everything I need to know

[manic lantern]

well, you tend to run out when you stand next to spawn door and blast all of it

[shy willow]

Running out of ammo is exceedingly difficult in this game

[manic lantern]

i had twice more damage and end screen then any of my teammates

[magic pilot]

No you don't lol

[onyx sage]

but sir, what if they're playing monorail and only monorail?

[magic pilot]

Quite the opposite

I'm usually doing so much dmg I'm at max ammo from gunner lol

[onyx sage]

that also doesn't tell us anything

[magic pilot]

They need to exit the zoo, it's closed for renovation

[onyx sage]

that just says your teammates do less damage than you

[hazy steeple]

Damage is capped and then spills over.
So it's possible and by the look of the build, likely, that they did way more

[magic pilot]

That just means they were worse than that monstrosity

[hazy steeple]

The endgame stats screen is very much not worth looking at, overall.

[onyx sage]

not saying it's the be all end all either, but even kill count is a better metric

[patent fossil]

It's unlikely you'd wrap around twice unless it was leg zoo or something. More likely they were blocking everyone's shots when camping the spawn doors (or just that the teammates weren't very good)

[magic pilot]

Or everything was getting revived lol

Curious how long the mission took

[hazy steeple]

I'm getting Darktide vibes from this conversation, if anyone offers to make you a servo skull: just say no.

[still lodge]

Just got a real exotic mask

Its the vile...

[hazy steeple]

grats! That's a great mask for certain builds.

[manic lantern]

not as impressive in zoo, since way more open space though was rather easy

[fair dragon]

Would be helpful if you could specify which one is you

[manic lantern]

Arusei

[fair dragon]

That skill build user is keeping up with you

[shy willow]

Another seems to have been healing too

[fair dragon]

But, good job, I guess

[vestal ibex]

GGs for being the most aggressive.

[worn charm]

the guy wasn't using the skill build he used the heartbreaker with deflector drone btw

[fair dragon]

Then how did he deal so much skill damage (two-thirds of their total damage)

[worn charm]

ask him but he didn't had any offensive skills on himself

the game is sometimes weird

it might be because of the deflector but i don't know exactly how it works so i can't say

[vestal ibex]

What I see here is 1 aggressive player over the others.

[onyx sage]

weird things in this game show up as "skill damage" in the end screen

[fair dragon]

I see

[vestal ibex]

After actions like this are so easy to have.

They prove that being the guy in front doing the shooting makes big numbers and that in it self proves it's probably more player over build.

It's like winning a drag race where the other guy stalls on the line.

[manic lantern]

I mean, whole point is. This should not work at all, but somehow i`m on par with my full red striker build.
Not saying damage is 1 to 1, but this allows me pushing way harder. I dunno, it " feels " easier.

[fair dragon]

With modifiers?

[manic lantern]

obv

[fair dragon]

"obv"

[onyx sage]

you get 2 extra skill tiers for your shield plus the extra healing from the arti hive so it's definitely going to feel easier

and modifiers also help you do the same, just get to tier 4 to OC your shield and you play the exact same way

with the full red striker

it's important to not fall prey to placebo

[vestal ibex]

"work" as in finish a heroic mission without struggling? That is a very low bar tbh.

You should try to slot in some grey gear like wear 4 pc HB with chest and put on a grey backpack and mask then do it again and see if it's pretty much the same.

[subtle bluff]

I need to stop carrying on tanker. I run out of ammo all the time....

[vestal ibex]

Just put the backfire away at some point and use lex or something.

That's what I do with groups where I have to do pretty much 2 peoples jobs.

[shy willow]

The one engagement where I unironically might run dry😭

[subtle bluff]

It's only as of recently since I put down the Backfire. When it happens on Backire i'm really question the people that I'm running with.

[shy willow]

I've had groups that insist that we should all camp at the tanker and I have to hold the whole top half it's crazy😭

[vestal ibex]

Navel proving he is a top.

[shy willow]

😳

[subtle bluff]

My favorites is somehow the rest of the team are on Right side mostly at top and I have the whole left side and they all still wipe to drones. This is also them saying they've "done this before"

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but you know that it's a combination of build/lack of sticky emp/actually shooting the drone.

[still lodge]

Is the exotic lady death valid?

[vestal ibex]

Can be, it's just that it's small mag and buff that can just run out mid fight makes other things better options.

[subtle bluff]

This is also me being kind of troll since it's RMM and just having a laugh watching people that won't listen to the help I'm offering.

[solar berry]

Only preservation talent. Not AoK

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔 so it’s good for sniper builds

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and probably very situational past that. Even on sniper builds you have to know HH very well and it's harder to start the stacks.

[solar berry]

So the talent gives you a 100% headshot dmg anywhere on body. Does that talent work for turnmoil. If so with HH builds, that is disgustingly good. If it also procs HSD on the split

@vestal ibex

Have you tried it with that weapon talent yet?

[vestal ibex]

Talking about determined?

[solar berry]

Ye

[vestal ibex]

That's even more broken with it.

[subtle bluff]

I have already. TBH people need to go try it out themselves....

[solar berry]

It still counts as a headshot dmg for the split 👀

[subtle bluff]

No.

[solar berry]

Oof 😓

[vestal ibex]

Cause you can hit helmed enemies and if it transfers to a non helmed enemy it'll keep determined+hh

[solar berry]

I still find turnmoil meh

If it works with a lot of synergies. Would make it better

After all turnmoil don’t work in PvP. Only in PvE

Devs, buff my mans turnmoil for PvE

[fresh fox]

yea make it 100%

[solar berry]

Just buff it for synergies

Not the split dmg

[vestal ibex]

I mean the only issue with it is it spreading damage to chungas or dead things. Otherwise it would be pretty OP.

[patent fossil]

It's good in some builds, bad in others. Last thing we want is another OP best in slot item for people to cry about not getting if they didn't play this week

[vestal ibex]

But mah lex!

[manic lantern]

angry noises of someone who didn`t get lex

• me

[cyan crypt]

is it good ? still gonna change some things

[glad pilot]

no

[glad pilot]

you have 3 green pieces doing nothing mate, should get the striker knees. and a ceska chestpiece, with obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

should've been more like "sure, go knock yourself out" and have them come back asking how to get more DPS out of it

[cyan crypt]

yeah, im farming for that lol

i wasnt sure of what chest piece to go for

but thx for the advice

[fair compass]

So was gonna ask, running a smg build w/ hunters fury, momento (real), and the palisade chest. For the chest, best I'm getting to drop is obliterate as the talent. Is it comparable to running intimidate or should I keep running countdown in hopes of getting intimidate or will obliterate work well enough?

[glad pilot]

Intimidate is more dmg but not as easy to sustain

If u dont pick up a trophy u are loosing out. At which point having a normal backpack (sokolov for example) with vigilance, and obliterate on chestpiece, would prolly top intimidate.

[fair compass]

Yea that makes sense to me. Though especially for an aggressive smg build, I don’t think vigilance would work for me.

[glad pilot]

shield helps with that

OR, use a backpack with bloodsucker, and maintain ur intimidate easier

[fair compass]

True, though honestly I’m tired of running shield on so many builds

[glad pilot]

bloodsucker is used for that reason for the most part

[fair compass]

I like the 6x armor core with ~40% armor on kill with something like banshee pulse.

[glad pilot]

at 6 armor cores u aint doin fkall

[fair compass]

And momento + palisade help with survival and damage.

Honestly? I was handle heroic content with no issues

That’s with obliterate as my chest talent

[glad pilot]

no issues doesnt mean effective

u should drop like 3-4 armor cores for reds

u r a dmg dealer, not a tank

[fair compass]

That’s true, I’ll play around with and see what feels the most comfortable

[onyx sage]

the name is memento

[fair compass]

Idk my says momento :)

[cerulean smelt]

i feel the april fool's exotics was a nice touch, but can be a bit mean for those who hasn't gotten all the exotics and they go out to try and get what they're missing and seeing those drop XD

[fair compass]

Beagle Bearer…. No I don’t want the actually one at all nooo…

[manic lantern]

I was so hyped when " beagle " dropped, that I didnt even read it properly

like so many years and not a single eagle dropped, not even once

[cerulean smelt]

i would've raged if i was in an LMG and i saw LMG exotic icon. goto pick it up and it's a joke Pestilence for my 2nd account

[magic pilot]

Wicked*

[magic pilot]

Still get comps from them

[cerulean smelt]

i know

[magic pilot]

Because it's in dark hours

[magic pilot]

So how is it mean, they have a seperate drop rate and you still get something out of it

It's not like people are doing IH and getting fake reg

[severe bolt]

I need some help if anyone it's free to explain to me about tinkering, so basically for example I have my chest piece and for core attribute it has skill tier and I changed it to weaping dmg but when I go to changed the other attributes it doesn't let me change anything only the core attribute it lets me, am I doing something wrong?

[cerulean smelt]

just saying for those that are trying to get a particular exotic and they see exotic drop and they get excited thinking they got what they needed but it's the april fool's exotic and they still got to farm up the exotic they want

[cerulean smelt]

that's how it works. you recalibrate 1 thing on gear/weapons and then you can only optimize the rest of the stats

[signal pelican]

I'm thinking of a pestilence build but I was thinking would turmoil be good on it?

[cerulean smelt]

what i tried seemed decent but the damage for me dropped quite a bit

[signal pelican]

Oh

[cerulean smelt]

4 piece of the virtuoso, the centerion's scabbard and backbone backpack

but it was still pretty fun XD

[manic lantern]

wasnt it also in dz table?

[severe bolt]

thx mate

[signal pelican]

I prefer the mementos is there any build with pestilence

[manic lantern]

or you saying I farmed dz for weeks back in a day for nothing?

[cerulean smelt]

eagle? yeah you can get it in DZ

[magic pilot]

It is but it's a .042% chance

Unaffected by TL

[dreamy valve]

Damn they almost had something with Turmoil

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i put it on my striker build and was enjoying it

i'm curious how it fairs with HF + door spawning

[dreamy valve]

They just need to make it interact with more game mechanics

Then it would be a great item to build around

[cerulean smelt]

i'd love to see it on empress and just damage in general

or even shiney monkey would do

[dreamy valve]

Could have been an exotic, behaves like one anyways

[cerulean smelt]

like i'd love to set one on fire and have that fire tick spreading the love

[dreamy valve]

Whelp, back to Provocator and Rugged Gauntlets

It’s not like those gear are that far from April Fools items

[cerulean smelt]

i can't wait until we get some kind of speed running trial. would love to see how turmoil can possibly change those times

[manic lantern]

I saw shorts when turmoil was used with one shot builds, was fun to watch

[cerulean smelt]

yeah dod showed a HH nemesis build destroying 2 people at the same time said that's about the only use it has atm

[glad pilot]

@patent fossil while it works in dz, what woudl you replace the knees/gloves with? Since illd need to compensate for the loss of Chc

I was thinking 2pc w&h for 5% wpndmg, and 5% dta
or 1pc fenris for 30% reload speed, and 1pc w&h

Or maybe a ceska for 20%hazpro idk im lost

[patent fossil]

Oh I'm not a pvp player, just passing on the little info I do know

[glad pilot]

nuuuuuu

[patent fossil]

There's a pvp builds guide in the spreadsheet but it's probably geared more towards dz than conflict. Maybe ask in #td2-pvp-discussions

[glad pilot]

bet

[manic lantern]

huh, I was watching that chainkiller+determined

[cerulean smelt]

on other server someone posted a video of someone wearing HH + 5 grey gears i laughed a bit but was like yeah, determined + HH not broken at all

[tulip charm]

determined/hh is needs buff

[cerulean smelt]

i still need the 1886 though 😢

[fresh fox]

raucey jumpscare

that guy is freaking scary.

[cerulean smelt]

ohhh, didn't see the name

i feel it would've been better if he had a 2nd account gotten chainkiller for it and the 1886 and made a video pre 1kshd and if he was still doing the same damage

[fresh fox]

well he wouldn’t do the same damage but yea i get what you mean

[cerulean smelt]

but then again that'd probably drive the guy insane if he tried to get all that on a character with no stats or expertise and showing you don't need a build for it

[fresh fox]

just make a new character but don’t pick up the watch

[onyx sage]

keeps bullying the average player

[urban latch]

The damage between needing another shot to kill/1 tap in several cases was close enough that I actually raised the expertise up to 24 because the difference between 20 and 24 actually made a difference lol.

[cerulean smelt]

oh? i was curious after i saw you had 20 there on the 1886

[urban latch]

That was only the first run I completed, I did it a bit more until I got the sub-8 souless had mentioned he wanted to do

I liked that run for the chunga kill though lol

[cerulean smelt]

did you put that together to show one doesn't really need a build with chainkiller? which would make sense and i kind of figured just being able to use that kind of build pre1k would be possible in general, but i guess that'd be too generous for the devs to give us huh?

[onyx sage]

it's just showing how busted HH is as a talent, no one needs to go this low in stats but it demonstrates how you can only go up from here in terms of stats to make it work

[urban latch]

Souless was the one that came up with the idea, but that was basically the original idea

[cerulean smelt]

ah i can see that honestly. must've been kind of a pain to get?

[urban latch]

get what?

[cerulean smelt]

the grey gears

[onyx sage]

gray gear isn't that hard to get, you just need lv1 characters

[cerulean smelt]

i just imagine raucey had 4 characters full of stuff to rearrange to get that 1 character to go through and grab gears

[urban latch]

Ive got a raid/main and an incursion character, a HC, and then a slot I can do whatever with. So I just created a character and transfered the gear

[vestal ibex]

Most of us have a free slot we delete and mule

[urban latch]

I have a lot of items, but I dont hoard items I dont need or could get very quickly if I do need them at some point, so no need to hoard things on a character

[cerulean smelt]

ah, fair. i'm a hoarder so getting that extra 100 slots for the year 1 pass and wony was a nice surprise

most i've kept since then were all the exotics i've obtained so far and maybe the occasional DZ items that can't be obtained in LZ

[tough linden]

• Mask, gloves, holster - Hotshot - with HS attribute.
• Ninja backpack exotic
• Habsburg chest with headhunder talent - with HS attribute.
• Turmoil knee pads

anything can suggest better build ?
any thing better than above for solo/group gameplay?

[urban latch]

Chainkiller instead of habs and I really think you need vigi on the backpack to get stacks started consistently if your using turmoil

turmoil is really going to make you struggle in groups with HH due to the scaling.

[tough linden]

cool i can try both as i have the CK with HS already with me 😄

[tough linden]

thats true

[vestal ibex]

There is the option to stack and swap tho.

[urban latch]

DCH I think is a really good option as well with it

either that or tac50

[tough linden]

will give it a try 🙂

[cerulean smelt]

i'd personally go full high end

[vestal ibex]

We tried it on turrets last night and with FI vigi OC scanner on regulus it left the yellow add with 2 segments of armor left.

[cerulean smelt]

you know chainkiller, punch drunk if you got it, turmoil. not sure what the last 3 pieces shoudl be honestly

[manic lantern]

providence?

[vestal ibex]

Hot shot 2 pc and 3pc OP, better than high end setups.

[manic lantern]

op?

[cerulean smelt]

overpowered

[solar sable]

ongoing patriot

[magic pilot]

I've never had max 300/300 stash space

My main character usually has a 0/150 inventory always too

[fresh fox]

i think hes scrolled up

[magic pilot]

Leave me alone

I was circling back around

[kindred mango]

I hate when that happens lol. Feels bad man

[rich lotus]

Hes too locked in on Bloons

[magic pilot]

bro

i might have consumed substances last night and forgotten to close the game

[red island]

happens to the best of us

i think i deleted a character by accident with lot of gear on him

[magic pilot]

its still open rn as im working on updating stuff lol

i can hear it

[hazy steeple]

The builds that are back in like, TU15, are they still worth keeping around?

I love IAmFox as much as any sane person, but it is a while back now.

[magic pilot]

tbh im not sure which builds are visable

[hazy steeple]

MemoriesLP and Nug are the two big ones that are fairly visible.

I don't think Nug is still really doing div2 stuff, at least last time I saw their YT.

Aspect was updating the Backfire setup a while ago, but it's been a minute.

[red island]

i think most should still be good

but yeah an update wouldnt hurt

[magic pilot]

ok i figured out a trick to change to view mode

[red island]

view of ?

[magic pilot]

the sheet

i can see way more than you guys can

[red island]

tbh i think the sheet is def not new player friendly, a real website or wiki would be more effective

but thats harder to make

[hazy steeple]

It also costs money.

The sheet is fine for newbies.

[red island]

yeah thats the sad part

[hazy steeple]

I'll put some feelers out about the builds, I'd like a more informed opinion than "should" if at all possible.

[magic pilot]

what season are we on 3?

[red island]

ye

year 6 season 3

[bright raptor]

there is a wiki but its admin team is not exactly well liked by the rest of the community

and I'm skeptical that the wiki format itself is a good fit for how rapidly understandings of the gear game can change

[magic pilot]

tbh i dont think the wiki is updated

[bright raptor]

yes that's a big part of why they're disliked

[magic pilot]

its updated to 20.1

which is when they added danny weaver

[hazy steeple]

Disregarding any personal opinions on the staff over there, getting properly vetted info in div2 is pretty important.

A wiki is too easy to mess with, the spreadsheet is better curated.

[magic pilot]

as far as im aware ive never talked to their team

[hexed steppe]

The sheet is fairly idiot proof tbh. Kinda hard to f up clicking a link and reading an evernote guide.

The detailed info is for more versed players anyways

[hazy steeple]

I very much wish WF had something as well made as the spreadsheet.
Most games have multiple wikis with (often) conflicting info.

[hexed steppe]

Also really old info

Like 2020 info existing in the current webpage resources

[hazy steeple]

The spreadsheet was unmanaged for a while, but the new people are doing great work on it.
Let me know if any staff changes should be made, I can pass on the info if needed.

[red island]

the evernote is fine, but the first page is kinda overwelming

i saw people really struggling to know what to click

[fresh fox]

i cant read

what do i do

[hexed steppe]

I wouldn't mind getting my hands dirty, but I think it's in good hands already. I can be backup down the road if help is needed

[hazy steeple]

I can pass on your name to Azur next time I see them online, or I guess if they're active in chat feel free to do the same.
As long as y'all play nice, there's no issue that I can see.

[hexed steppe]

Direct to hub builds tab. When an agent is ready for deeper parts of the sheet, theyll know what to click

[magic pilot]

im cool with local, im sure ic3so is as well

compton is not allowed though

[fresh fox]

my only problem with the sheet is that the headshot striker screenshot still uses punch drunk

[hexed steppe]

😂

[magic pilot]

@urban latch

[hazy steeple]

Any one with the username shark is not allowed to run the spreadsheet, sorry I don't make the rules.

[fresh fox]

he dgaf...

[urban latch]

should be prov?

[red island]

yeah but thats my point, the intro to endgame is rough, there is a fkton to learn and its overwelming

[magic pilot]

just pester him like souless does

[magic pilot]

thats kinda the game in general

[red island]

yeah

[fresh fox]

i would never be an annoyance

[fresh fox]

yea

[magic pilot]

right... what happened in the reddit discord again?

[hazy steeple]

It'll make the problem get fixed faster if I say I like it.
hey @urban latch, I love punchdrunk on the build.

[magic pilot]

lmao

[red island]

nah

[fresh fox]

that or contractors i actually dont remember one sec

[red island]

@urban latch punchdrunk is mathematically better

there you go

[fresh fox]

nope they are lying

[magic pilot]

i am working on some build guides for the Blue section of the sheet

[fresh fox]

if we only take the pistol shot into account prov is better

[magic pilot]

but we should probably add in some hybrids as well

[fresh fox]

but you have other weapons so contractors is probably better

[magic pilot]

maybe that pistol build you have? @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

First step is guides.... if they can follow half the YouTube "builds" they can click and follow a build link.
The rest of the sheet is for down the road when they have a handle on builds

[hazy steeple]

Actually that's an idea.
@hexed steppe, do you have a master link of your builds?

[versed glacier]

Do you know, if the Refactor Gear Set benefits from "Repair Skills" buff like from the Shiny Monkey Gear?

[hazy steeple]

@sonic pecan You're looking for #lfg-raid-pc, GL Agent

[magic pilot]

it does not

youd want skill dmg

[hexed steppe]

It's only as hard as one chooses to make it.

[versed glacier]

So you go refactor and then Skill DMG/efficiency for max?

[red island]

yeah the rest is fine, but as you know youtube video are way easier to follow, they know how to make it appealing for the eye

[magic pilot]

i would say its a no go on efficiency since refactor is a gear set the only option would be shiny monkey or empress with ninja

[hexed steppe]

I have one but it's only a couple builds. Raucey has a good build summary tho

[hazy steeple]

If you can put something together that you update (when necessary of coruse), then we can see into getting it added like iKia's is.
Assuming that you think it's unique enough from what's there.

[red island]

also idk how the sheet is on phone

[magic pilot]

thinking about adding this one to the sheet, thoughts?

[hazy steeple]

@red island You can download spreadsheet apps.

[red island]

since lot of console players dont use pc

never used that app, hope its good enough

[hazy steeple]

There's about 12 million of them, pick the one with the least spyware.

[hexed steppe]

Redo it with claws out iirc. Slightly more pistol damage

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure there's some open source thing created by a teenager in Hungary.

[red island]

prob

[magic pilot]

true

[fresh fox]

my bad

[magic pilot]

well it depends on if you keep the core yellow or red

[hexed steppe]

Hf still the stronger version, but I have no issue if you want to add. I dont having anything wrote atm but can

[fresh fox]

@urban latch do prov but mention that proc is only better for your dodge city shot on the achilles or something

[red island]

now im imagining if we allowed meme builds on the spreadsheet lmao

[hazy steeple]

Just audo-mod, it' doesn't like that word.

There's no need to rush to make this stuff, div2 ain't going anywhere.

[fresh fox]

or contractors but mention that prov will have higher dodge damage while the main weapon damage is better with contractors

[hexed steppe]

Tbh I think we can link the sheet in a way where it opens to hub ( builds )

Since the sheet is kept up to date, seems like the simple solution

[hazy steeple]

I think step 1 will be to re-pin it so we don't have to scroll.

[fresh fox]

prov vs contractor dodge city striker shot

[hazy steeple]

A new comment with the link might be the solution for now, until we can fix the older one.

[fresh fox]

idk why i included achilles expertise but whateva

[hazy steeple]

Maybe something like "spreadsheet" and then a mention of "builds". So two links.

[fresh fox]

wait i think i implemented achilles exp in wrong

wait i didnt i lie

i cant do anything right.

[subtle bluff]

For Achilles
[A normal shot without it] x [1 + hsd%] x [1 + exp%]

I hate mathing DCH I’ve just given up on it.

[fresh fox]

yea i did it right but when i got rid of the expertise bonus i misread the number it got

[subtle bluff]

Ah

[hybrid hearth]

all attributes fully optimized to the max (critchance/critdmg) and st elmos is also max (ar dmg + health dmg + dmg out of cover)

i was wondering how i could make this even better? im going for a pure glass cannon build

[honest moss]

Assuming it is all crit, it looks fine but if you want to get picky then there is GC Ceska chest or even striker chest (just need to stack more) and firewall for the 15% crit grip and then replace st elmos with a high end AR with maybe strained, ranger, optimist, flatline or similar damage talent.

Also if running firewall that shield can be modded for an extra damage boost too

[cerulean smelt]

and if you're like me, you'd replace the coyote's with a grupo so you don't have to rely on hit targets in various ranges for the chc/chd

[red island]

ceska chest

[honest moss]

This too if you play at range more

[red island]

but otherwise looks good

[honest moss]

If shield coyotes imo

[hybrid hearth]

alr cool ill find a ceska chest and max it

also would chameleon technically be higher dps?

i love the st elmos electric status effect for at least some cc esp on leg missions but technically its not the highest dps

[cerulean smelt]

yes and no
if you feel like stacking shots on head, body and legs
probably see a bit of a dps increase

question, do you want to be in their face to use the chameleon?

[hybrid hearth]

yeah fair enough

lol

alright thanks guys! this is my first ever build so after im done here I’ll move to a skill build or something new

[fresh fox]

use glass cannon + vigilance instead of coyotes + striker bag

more damage made of glass

[red island]

chameleon has awful accuracy tbh

everybody run elmo not just cause it has high damage but also cause its a laser beam

but you can run lexinton otherwise

[cerulean smelt]

especially those without lexington? (> <)

police m4 is pretty much laser shooting iirc

[red island]

i very much dislike m4 but its a good gun

to each their own

i still rock bk tbh

[junior surge]

Famas is very accurate aswell, and I prefer the recoil pattern

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, not a fan myself really, but just throwing it out there
i like MK 16

[west badge]

the cc from elmo can save you too

[scenic bobcat]

I'm more or less oblivious to builds and usually center around the simplest one I can follow. I had a striker build that carried me and currently doing the same in D2. Is a striker build viable for solo legendary runs or should look else where for dps?

[subtle bluff]

Nothing has changed really if you were doing well with that old build.

[scenic bobcat]

That's good to know. Been running the chameleon but recently found myself an elmo and it's been fun

[subtle bluff]

Chameleon can do more dmg but it’s a playstyle you need to make it really work well. Risk vs Reward type deal. CD could be worth it to mag dump on everything.

[hexed steppe]

striker is top single target damage

should serve well

[fallen shadow]

Pestilence is also good with straight dmg build. You can tick upwards of 1.5 mil on the plague

[mellow flint]

should i get blue cores?

[patent fossil]

Negotiators and turmoil are not a good combo, turmoil will effectively halve your damage to all marked targets

[kind sluice]

Does anyone have an idea for a critbuild with the Turmoil kneepads? Does it work with Strikers?

[patent fossil]

Yeah it seems to work best with strikers or headhunter. Just run it with The Sacrifice and 4pc striker

[night yarrow]

idk why but this build seems to be very effective

[kind sluice]

Is that a Shotgun, rifle or LMG?

[night yarrow]

wdym

[kind sluice]

main weapon

[kind sluice]

Ty 🙂

[crystal folio]

Can anyone help me improve my build feeling like I don’t put up enough damage and I rather quickly does anyone have any advice for me?

[fresh fox]

your chest talent is not great

[vestal ibex]

rainbow stats

[fresh fox]

and the yellow and blue attributes/mod aren’t helping either

[vestal ibex]

Also stop putting expertise on your armor. It's not adding what you think it is in terms of extra armor. Save those mats so you can recalibrate your gear.

[azure plank]

So I've to always focus on one thing? Can I balance, Damage and Skill in same build?

Or just you build damage or skill choose one something like this?

[fresh fox]

yea it’s best to focus on one thing

memento is the best you’ll get in terms of a hybrid

[azure plank]

Trying to find that backpack, But still no luck

[crystal folio]

What’s a recommend chest piece I like using smg is the reason why I picked that one

[patent fossil]

Ceska with obliterate or intimidate probably best option

[lyric prism]

at any point is Rigger worth using over a highend Emp/Wyvern setup?

[patent fossil]

Maybe if you're playing decoy tank or something. The skill refresh thing is the only part that isn't surpassed by high end options

[lyric prism]

there isa skill refresh? sure you are not thinking of hard wired?

unless its a backpack talent.

with the chest the dmg buff goes to 50% but that is all.

[patent fossil]

It's the backpack talent

The damage buff is regular SD not TSD so it's not as strong as talents like kinetic momentum or combined arms

[lyric prism]

so chest is not worth ok

I'm just playing around with a set that dropped while doing East Mall stuff today.

guess not worth.

seems a 2p Hana in the off slots would be best but eh

[patent fossil]

Generally not, no. Infinite decoy refresh is probably the best use for it.

[acoustic wind]

Hi,
is there some kind of armor calculator where you can see which are the best stats for an? or also the armor etc.?

[forest trail]

Is stega any good?
if so does it need any build

[magic pilot]

Yes, just striker

[magic pilot]

Armor calculator? Why would you need it?

170k*6 pieces

[forest trail]

wdym just striker

does other red builds not work?

are all the other builds that outshined by striker lol?

[onyx sage]

for AR builds yeah

i mean the answer shouldn't be surprising

[forest trail]

thats cringe

i spent so much time farming for my red legendary build

[onyx sage]

should've asked

[forest trail]

i made it before striked was used lol

[warped vale]

is the eagle bearer worth the grind?

i got ouroboros and wanna get it but dk if im ready for another grind

[magic pilot]

So like 4 years ago?

[forest trail]

before the striker buff

[magic pilot]

I'd say it's worth getting

[magic pilot]

Yea so about 2+ years ago

[forest trail]

idk
wasn't that long time ago but

sure

[warped vale]

how well does it carry itself amongst the top used weapons like oreo st elmo chameleon etc?

[magic pilot]

It was lol

[forest trail]

so ig my build is just straight up inferior to striker?

[magic pilot]

Not great

[onyx sage]

this is still used in raids

[magic pilot]

HE is still viable

[solar berry]

Helps out by giving it more base rpm. And the additional dmg that Strega gives out due to its talent. Makes striker more deadly

[patent fossil]

Also to get the most out of strega buff you want to be focusing down one target at a time, and striker is best at that while being gun-talent-agnostic

[forest trail]

i see

[forest trail]

atleast that

[forest trail]

does it interact in an unique way with striker or what

also
is striker usefull even if you don't prestack them with acs-12?

[vestal ibex]

Depends on the content and setup.

[forest trail]

just general shit man

[onyx sage]

yes, you rarely need to use acs

[warped vale]

is there a chart showing each catagory's top weapon?

[lyric prism]

Rigger and open world sniper turret. lol.

[vestal ibex]

Solo challenging to heroic 4 man is general shit but the recommendations would change depending on what weapons you use.

[forest trail]

so just copy this

[magic pilot]

Yes it's in the pinned guide

[magic pilot]

Put the Elmo's on left unless you are a psycho

[patent fossil]

You'll be slightly better off damage wise if you run sacrifice and gift instead, if you're already accustomed to using them

[forest trail]

THANK YOU

THATS WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW

but they talk about striker

[vestal ibex]

OD is considered higher damage now vs HE setup.

[magic pilot]

That's on striker lol

[forest trail]

od?

[vestal ibex]

On going directive.

[forest trail]

ty

[patent fossil]

So do I, just sacrifice and gift with 4pc striker

[forest trail]

ty y'all

[forest trail]

i don't see a build with it tho

[magic pilot]

OD also in the guide