td2-build-advice

[dull ermine]

I made this today it’s super good

[dreamy valve]

Legatus might be top tier if the game was only the target range

[long pasture]

Hello fellow Agents. Is there any "go-to-build" for the new Lexington out there 🙂 ? I've seen a Striker build with the Centurion holster, but I was wondering if there is any other. Maybe any better ones 🙂

[subtle bluff]

Any build that you used Elmo you can use Lex.

[rich lotus]

Man I loooooove BiS seasonal items!!!!1!!

said no one ever.

[sullen sun]

Worth building?

[urban latch]

For pvp? It's good to have a haz pro build, but even with as good as the backfire is now I wouldn't use it in pvp.

For pve, no

[sullen sun]

Are there actually any decent rifle PvP builds now?

Now that they’ve been “buffed”

[rich lotus]

#td2-pvp-discussions message

[stone lark]

am I fine not running any hazpro on a backfire build? thinking about just using a memento + HF setup

[onyx sage]

yeah, you don't need it tbh

just take the few bleed hits initially until you full stack backfire

[rich lotus]

Nah I need 2 blue cores, full bleed resistance and PFE mods. I also watch Fog of War on YouTube

[jolly sapphire]

anyone got a bighorn PVP build?

[solar sable]

📌 Spreadsheet

[gritty bramble]

Anyone got a good elmos build?

[rich cosmos]

Literally anything

You can quite literally slap elmos on anything

[fair dragon]

St. Elmo's yellow striker build

[fresh fox]

doesn’t have any 😰

[hazy steeple]

That's not even a joke, that would work, due to how broken Striker still is.

[hasty sluice]

yellow strikers = very funny oxi dmg

seems like a fun gun

1886*

[gritty bramble]

Whats that build look like

[fair dragon]

an abomination, that's what it is

[solar sable]

blame PvP Guy

[hasty sluice]

Stolen from reddit post.

[rich cosmos]

Holy moly

[hasty sluice]

it doesnt do tons of damage but it does have funny regen and heals

switch to survivalist if you want to have the very fair and balanced kits

[hasty sluice]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwJgtOxgDBP7RDmIFyjkgjFAHFlQpNYXOLcWHMAFkqIelTPuMcdRAE5MwC2BHbr0GiinAGwT4WCn1w8sXKlwJLWCVFgn0uNdsU7AArGCgB2cwc3Gj1psB5jEQA

[magic pilot]

There's no way that's a good build

[hasty sluice]

the striker or the pvp 1 I stole?

[shy willow]

The blue/yellow ninja one

On bighorn the norm is blues/hsd/hazpro/regen

[hasty sluice]

i mean yeah thats the norm but ive used it and it works well for attrition fights.

[hazy steeple]

Pretty much any build that includes the ninjabag (nbb), is going to be considered "not good", to say the least.

@magic pilot Don't be weird.

[magic pilot]

I'm not being weird, running a shit pvp build is probably due to not playing pvp enough

I mean that objectively

[hazy steeple]

Looking up someone's profile to prove them wrong is weird, and also breaks #rules #12, if you want a specific reason.

[rich cosmos]

All things considered, I think the issue with ninja bike is less so the actual exotic and more so the fact that there just aren’t a lot of good options for multiple brand bonuses

[magic pilot]

Yea I don't think that falls under rule 12. I respectfully disagree but respect your authority

Will not do in the future

[hazy steeple]

All in all, it just makes for a nicer server. Ta.
anyway, my biggest issue with NBB is that it's basically a weaker Memento, and that it takes up a backpack Talent in place of that.

[magic pilot]

There's quite a few things wrong with that build

1. Technician
2. Minor attributes
3. Yellow cores
4. NBB
5. Unbreakable

[hasty sluice]

thats fair

[hasty sluice]

whats wrong with Unbreakable? I see tons of people running it?

[magic pilot]

Everyday carry is just better

Bighorn builds are good because you can make them super tanky and use bighorn talent to deal tons of dmg

Your version lacks upfront dmg and has basically no survivability

No catharsis or ad rush, only 4 blue

You are basically relying on foaming someone

Which my bighorn version directly counters with hazpro

[hasty sluice]

its not a foam its a heal chem

[magic pilot]

That's even worse somehow

[hasty sluice]

its not for rushing somebody its to hold your ground. pop hive, throw down 2 chem zones

[magic pilot]

Are you on rn?

[hasty sluice]

yes and no

[magic pilot]

Which means?

[hasty sluice]

im constantly playing and then stopping every few min

[magic pilot]

Ah

[jolly sapphire]

what the frick is this mate

[strong cave]

What the hell did I look into?

Stupid phone. My bad 😡

[magic pilot]

Measured is better than optimist now

[strong cave]

What's going on??

[strong cave]

Oh God...

[magic pilot]

^

[strong cave]

EW EW EW EW EW

[hasty sluice]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Division2/comments/1gnhecw/build_on_last_post/

[strong cave]

SCADA SCADEEN GET THAT SHIT OFF MY SCREEN

[hasty sluice]

there is a link to a video of the person using it.

[strong cave]

Ninjabike, striker, repair and armor Regen???? You'll do perpetually no damage. There's not enough Regen to even counter a max Regen build. Let alone a firewall medkit pop. Why rely on skills to keep you alive? Armor Regen and catharsis should plenty keep you alive while you dodge and weave

The downtime on skills is massive compared to catharsis downtime

[magic pilot]

yea hes on xbox

[strong cave]

Including Ad Rush for a backpack talent. It's a must

[hasty sluice]

ok?

[magic pilot]

controller players are uhhhh

not the greatest

keep in mind, i played console for 15 years

[hasty sluice]

Ive exclusively played div 1 & 2 on controller div1 on xbox and now 2 on pc

[strong cave]

New to division 2 pc?

[hasty sluice]

just about 500 hours

so "new"

[strong cave]

I promise you mouse and keyboard players would stomp you in DZ if they caught you with that build on

[hasty sluice]

M&K > controller is an always

[hasty sluice]

i have killed people with it. I mainly pve in the dz

[strong cave]

Well yes but this is a build based game

[strong cave]

True but can it keep you alive to fight 4 at once?

[hasty sluice]

If im near 4 people at once that are rouge is a awareness issue not a build issue

[strong cave]

But what if you're rogue though is also what I mean

[hasty sluice]

im never rogue

ive never noticed ive been spelling rogue, rouge. a color

[strong cave]

What makes a great PvP build is something that can knock out DZ pve content but also hang against rogues. it also functions well as a rogue too. What goes into a good pvp build is:

Is it well rounded? Do I good enough damage while maintaining health? Is it versatile? Can I fight more than 1 person with it? Can I use it against rogues or against SHD?

It's why umbra and striker are solid options. High end builds, ninjabike builds, heartbreaker, even System Corruption is still around

[hasty sluice]

I never stated it was a great pvp build. its a quick build I made that can kill somebody if needed & do landmarks fast.

[strong cave]

That is true, but it can be so much better/improved

[hasty sluice]

atm my pvp build goal is to steal this thing lol

[strong cave]

Virginian occasionally goes on sale in DZ vendors

[hasty sluice]

it is on sale rn in the west

[strong cave]

It's gonna sound dumb, but if you wanna farm credits easy, just VPN to a different country where there would be low playercount and roam the dz landmarks

[hasty sluice]

Oh I dont need credits I have about 400

[strong cave]

I've had over 2k at one point

[hasty sluice]

Neat.

[strong cave]

Spent it all on exotic caches. Heavily disappointed

No backfire :(

[hasty sluice]

.-.

[hexed steppe]

misspelled exotic component

[strong cave]

NO! Backfire is so good now. Hazpro umbra with that is crazy fun

It's my favorite build this season

[hexed steppe]

i know it got a buff

still dont like the thing tho

[hasty sluice]

would love to see your setup. never used umbra before

[strong cave]

That new chest for master difficulty I'm certain will be a misspelled exotic component 😂

[strong cave]

Ninjabike, 3 pc umbra, Yaahl, ceska

Haz prot up to 60% and use bleed resis mods

Or, go full haz prot

Full hazpro makes that one modifier easy to counter 😂

[hasty sluice]

umbra chest?

[strong cave]

Yes. That's a must. Double the crit damage, double the fire rate

Makes it easy to farm for too

My build has I think 3 blue cores? Possibly 4

I've got the setup saved somewhere lemme find it

[subtle bluff]

It's not even in the exp menu.

[strong cave]

It's not in the game just yet for the exp menus

[strong cave]

Be aware due to Ceska buffs, the stats on this build will be a little bit better for hazard protection. You'll also see more damage due to Yaahl buff

I left my holster blue, since it comes with a blue attribute. I rolled my umbra chest to blue as well. I believe with the new buffs, this build will be 100% haz pro

[jolly sapphire]

g4 pvp?

[strong cave]

Got the green light from me. I'd ditch the seeker for a defender drone

The reduction on that is crucial in DZ. Gets crazier with expertise and skill tiers

[jolly sapphire]

havent prof'd my iron lung yet

is it recommended to fight medium with this?

[strong cave]

It's such a fun gun to use on umbra. Melts, pun intended too, everything in it's path. Good for all ranges of gunfights

[round zinc]

hey chat im here to check back on measured

this is the last time i swear

[strong cave]

You missed it

[round zinc]

any new development?

[strong cave]

We got a doozy

[strong cave]

@round zinc

Snagged off reddit

[round zinc]

ok thats a terrible pvp build whats next

[strong cave]

Local hates backfire still

And then now here we are, giving meta umbra build advice because we are content starved and making DZ trips for new content

[haughty cradle]

What kind of build should I make?? Looking for a solid one for pve I have every exotic in the game except the ones from y6? I used to love to run the ourobouros but heard of how good the Lexington is.

[rich cosmos]

What are you looking for

[fresh reef]

What build website should I use?

[jolly sapphire]

check pinned messages bro

[hasty sluice]

the yellow are haste/dmg correct?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, skill damage and haste

you can add status but it just improves the bleed

so not worth

any dta you can put on the build will improve damage as well, but the btsu oc out performs contractors gloves

cap and shotguns both have 12% dta

[hasty sluice]

[little anvil]

Could the development team consider releasing the hunter models from the game's maps and levels as cosmetic outfit sets? I really like these skins , and could you also add a weapon accessory customization feature? Some accessories feel awkward when equipped.

[hazy steeple]

This channel is more for advice about builds, but if you want to make suggestions to the team, your best bet is to put in a Ticket, they don't really keep a close eye on the day-to-day of this Server.

[glad crow]

Hi, i just started playing last week, can anyone tell me as to where i can farm for the backfire smg?

[solar sable]

If you haven't hit lvl40 yet, don't bother
anyway, you can find it anywhere with SMG targeted loot

[regal wharf]

https://youtu.be/vwMIhW0TDXo?si=EsjFadhRY6jwfdki

526% CHD, MAX CRIT CHANCE, & 1.6M Armor! Backfire Umbra Build

[strong cave]

Top comment said they'd rather have 400% crit damage with 100% hazard protection. I'll give Kamikaze credit, build hits hard. But I'm noticing he ran away from skills way too much due to Status effects. He wouldn't have that issue with haz pro. He's also heavily relying on the booster hive to keep the bleed at bay. That's just annoying to have to keep track of

It's not hard to get full haz pro umbra and it'd be more beneficial for you in the end

[indigo cipher]

isnt it like 70% or something bleed hazpro and its immune?

i cant remeber the exact % to be immune to bleed

[strong cave]

Across the board 90's is my fair rule of thumb to aim for. You could go 60% haz pro and use 3 bleed resis mods and be immune to bleed that way

[indigo cipher]

ah fair

[strong cave]

Still, why stop at 60 and only be immune to bleed? You might as well go full send for 100

[indigo cipher]

striker hazpro gaming c:

[strong cave]

Can be done, I could probably make a build template for it

[indigo cipher]

i got one

its aight nothing special

idk i have an idea for a biggie hazpro hs strikers but theres already the funny biggie armor regen build anyway

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAbGAMYIw0bZTUugLgKxdQ2cAzOqsGkhgJxhlT5gAsD5JrG4UBL3bhutNHkOQZg1TvGHDRDcM0rU4WRRARwIBCGTaspmXQYoQMh9Cb1A

Site still needs to be updated but we know Ceska offers I think 20 or 30 hazpro due to its 2nd bonus buff this season. Basically just tack on the buff this season to how this build would be built in last season and there you go

I can't speak on if it's good or not, this is just how id go about a hazpro striker build. I go umbra instead of striker, just easier to manage

[strong cave]

With how gear set attributes work and the lack of that 2nd attribute, you're either stuck with haz pro or headshot. No in between. Doing too much with a build is where it falls apart

[indigo cipher]

yeah idk its just a fun idea tbf

[subtle bluff]

PvP should try to get Haz Pro if using Backfire imo. But if your CHC isn't for PvP status it's not gonna be as good.
Umbra will always have a high burst because of how it works.
Lady Death w/intimated and Arush and 4pc Umbra is also very good due this it's amp dmg but faster RPM and other states.

Simple answer for Backfire for PvP Acosta's Kneepads.

[placid cargo]

as someone who just hit 40 should i be aiming for a skill build as my first?

PVE

mainly play solo due to work schedule

[broken edge]

personal prefference honestly, if you like skills go for it, any specific skill in mind?

[placid cargo]

i mean ive been running drone and turret lol and having a blast

although it does suck in teh summit when I cant use them lol

[subtle bluff]

My issue with both is that DPS is low it'll happen just fast enough sometimes. A hybrid build will work but needs some gear to do so.
You could go for farm some Heartbreaker and you use Technicians then you could use both and have some good dmg and some skill tiers. You have to get a weapon that you can stick the laser pointer for mTechnicians on it.

[subtle bluff]

I get that but you'd be surprised what you can squeeze in with people. One of the guys on my team is a dad and has a runs a company and he gets maybe 1-2 hours to play and we get stuff done.

[placid cargo]

yea thats about what i have and not every day , more like 4-5 per week lol

so like the 4 pc HB +memento + picaros with the Kingbreaker AR?

[subtle bluff]

I get it.

Yeah no Picaros get a Ceskea for more CHC. If you have a level 40 Lex use that

KB is too slow

[placid cargo]

lol i do

i just got it in fact

[subtle bluff]

Lex is KING

[placid cargo]

slapped that purdy gold skin on it lol

[subtle bluff]

If you check my bio. I have a curated YT playlist I made for new/returning plays and some advance stuff in it. Take a look may help you answer a lot of stuff. Some is old but all helpful.

[placid cargo]

so then probably run ballistic shield and reviver ?

awesome ty!

[subtle bluff]

Ya that works. NP. Hope it all helps out.

[placid cargo]

probably do some summit runs to get some of this lol like i said i just hit 40 and still aint killed keener , might try to jump in multiplayer and see if i can get some peeps to help sometime this week

[autumn yacht]

this guy should be banned from the game for the builds he posts

[fallen comet]

what builds are you guys using for lexington?

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to. You get your watch at the White House. Once you walk in on your left.

[subtle bluff]

almost anything...

[placid cargo]

ok so should I just do normal events then for gear , I keep reading on reditt to do summit/countdown

actually let me watch that playlist lol today should be a slow day at work haha gotta love IT change freezes

[subtle bluff]

Only the first one to get you going

[placid cargo]

roger that thanks. Hit 40 like 4 months ago then just did not have time to even play 5 mins -- adulting sucks sometimes

[onyx sage]

due to the MULTIPLICATIVE dmg...

[clear hedge]

Does striker set make amour anymore? Or am I missing something

[patent fossil]

Striker always drops with red cores, if you want blue you have to recalibrate

[clear hedge]

Naw like when you build stacks you use to make armour stacks as well as damage

[devout sonnet]

Heartbreaker

[vestal ibex]

In div 2 you only get damage, unlike div 1.

[clear hedge]

Heart breaker ooooohhhhh frig

Thanks fellas

What you guys think heart breaker or striker I took a long break looks like things got a big rework

[onyx sage]

if you just want damage then striker, if you want some more comfort then HB

[fervent lake]

What is the best build for armor regeneration?

[lyric wing]

I used to use heartbreaker as main build for solo, but for some time I'm using Umbra with both improved DPS and survability. While going alone you might want to pair it with Memento backpack or Catharsis mask and a reviver hive for saving difficult situations (that WILL happen). I like to kill enemies myself instead of using skills and sit in cover, although that's another way to go (and works)

[rich cosmos]

A build I saw today

[magic pilot]

Goblin is dropping seasonal loot, get your harvest(s)

[kindred mango]

Yep buddy has his Santa hat on

[slate silo]

Any recommendations for someone coming back to the game after so many years? Last time I played was like 21-22 on the ps4 where the best red build was the classic m1a full red glass cannon at the time I think; I see there’s a lot of new sets now and wanted to put feelers out for a good solo/group char build to play with my buddies.

[gentle coyote]

Any pve smg build recommendations ?

[subtle bluff]

pinned post

[indigo cipher]

Dude is cooking something diabolical

[rich cosmos]

Buddy didn’t even turn on the burner

[indigo cipher]

😂 stove with no gas

[tepid hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2hS48YRE0&ab_channel=TheGamingBrigade

[solar sable]

not the yt builds

[rich cosmos]

Repair skills only affect how they repair other skills correct?

[hexed steppe]

no

[hexed steppe]

repair skills affect how much repair a skill is capable of delivering regardless of the target being repaired... i think you said something about this before... and its incorrect.

healing sets come with repair skills, do you feel something like future initiative is only designed to repair skills and not players?

[hazy steeple]

To save some time, I opened that YT link and it's suggesting a LD PvE build, so you can skip it.

[rich cosmos]

Okay a long time ago someone gave me really inaccurate information

[hexed steppe]

i agree, its corrected now 😎

[rich cosmos]

So to clarify, repair skills also applies to player healing?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, it boosts the heal rate of all healing skills. artificer is also includedin that, so that may have been where the inaccuracy came from, since artificer affects skills. but its all healing that is delivered by a skill

i dont think in includes something like catharsis

[rich cosmos]

Does the percentage line up with the healing percentages from skill tiers?

[hexed steppe]

im not 100 on how its calculated. that would be one of our genius maths guys to clarify

[rich cosmos]

Okay

There are skill repair mods right? Don’t they cap at 20%?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, but skill efficiency includes skill repair as well

incoming repair can also affect when a skill is healing you

[rich cosmos]

Oh so efficiency is better or incoming repair?

[hexed steppe]

skill efficiency is just repair skills, incoming is its own mods

[rich cosmos]

Is efficiency only in mod form or is it on attributes too

[magic pilot]

Catharsis is specifically not buffable by anything

[magic pilot]

Brand bonuses and memento

[hexed steppe]

with memento on a tier 3 artificer , ill see a 10-12% increase on actual repair for the 30% repair skills it delivers.

[rich cosmos]

Ah, so, how should I go about my new and improved striker/healer setup, Im more so prioritizing damage over healing, I tried ninjabike, its fine but I just feel like its not doing enough to justify rn

Maybe try and sacrifice crit damage for skill repair, maybe throw on btsu gloves?

[hexed steppe]

use memento, its the easiest to incorporate... its for self healing, right? youll get the native regen on top of the efficiency

wont lose all your damage trading off the bag

[rich cosmos]

Yes and no, its for self healing but also I join match making a lot so Im co-op more than solo

I’ll play around with ideas tomorrow and see what I can come up with

Im thinking of trying btsu and skill repair attributes

[hexed steppe]

other options may be tech class with the 10% repair selected which wont affect your build too much at all.
survivalist mender + shared medkit is also option

[rich cosmos]

I’ll figure it out tomorrow

[rich cosmos]

Is the chill out mask worth using for anything damage related? Im guessing not since I never see people talk about it

[hexed steppe]

I think just pfe type builds

[shy willow]

Only for PFE

[magic pilot]

Striker PFE

[fresh fox]

no

a grupo would do more

because you would have a ceska already

[rich lotus]

How about my 240% CHD build?

Whatcha gotta say to that buddy

diminishing returns is a myth 😎

[fresh fox]

freak...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

thats true

if you have 200% chd another 12% mod would be a 12% increase in damage.

[onyx sage]

duh bro did you not study algebra

[shy willow]

Calculus or smth idk I don't like calculating

[onyx sage]

i thought that's something in your teeth

[radiant reef]

Question about perfect clutch and perfect preservation

[magic pilot]

Clutch sucks

Hope that helped!

[radiant reef]

The on kill part does that mean you still have to be at 20% or lower

For clutch’s second part to trigger?

[magic pilot]

You mean the extra healing? Yes

[radiant reef]

Ok. So back to the original point about clutch then why does it suck? (Pcs stand point)

Pve *

[magic pilot]

Just use bloodsucker

It's like a really bad preservation

That only works when you are about to die, and requires fast rpm

[merry arrow]

anyone have a idea for a good hotshot build

about to farm the gear set

[fresh fox]

countdown

buy the alrialdi bag from cla n vendor

[hazy steeple]

There's an excelent one in the 📌 pinned-message > spreadsheet 2 > builds, of this channel.

[cyan drift]

Ok so... I'm holding 186 items (not counting spec sidearms), with 28 more inventory spaces to spare

I have no idea how I've done this, or if it's intentional in some way

ok, this is a bug with clan caches then

I opened the 3 SHD Requisition caches and got 5 items, which all counted, but none of the items from the clan caches did.

I dunno if this is a known bug (or intentional), but it's very real, considering I am now holding 212 items, and 124 mods, with 23 inventory spaces left, and 5 mod spaces left

[fresh fox]

clan caches give a lot of stuff

that’s probably why

[cyan drift]

yeah but it let me go wayyyyyy over the 150 inventory limit, while not adding anything to the count of items

[fresh fox]

because they give a lot of stuff

[bright raptor]

sure it didn't dump it on the floor in front of you

[fresh fox]

it’s clearly in his inventory

we can see it above

[solar sable]

wut du fawk

[tawdry flare]

The campus vendor still has a job

[cyan drift]

the campus vendor's items are so bad, that they copied them to the castle, where nobody works the vendor station

[hazy steeple]

Y'all really should work on getting your Inventory to a lot lower than the cap. You 100% do not need that much stuff across the characters+stash.

[tawdry flare]

if you keep getting unicorn pcs you run out of space

I have 25 5.11 unicorn pcs in my inventory

[cyan drift]

I still haven't gotten HSD/RS brazos kneepads of my own

the only pair I have were dropped for me

so if I see something interesting, yoink

[hazy steeple]

I'm not even going to comment on the fact that it's 5.11, and just say that: unless you have 25 characters, you don't need 25 copies of the same thing.

Be ruthless, delete your trash!

[cyan drift]

I deleted all my gear set items in my stash besides corruption, and have one of my characters holding 130 guns, and my stash is still at 290

could probably get it down to like 240 before I start deleting things I really don't want to go get again

then stuff like the lullaby which, what else can you really do with it

[subtle bluff]

Can we stay on topic?

[cyan drift]

technically we are

inventory management

[hazy steeple]

This is honestly very on-topic for builds, but it could be more on topic, I agree.

[half cosmos]

what tallent is better on AR? just got the 2 god rolled lexictons from mail and wanna check before tinkering

strained,optimist,fast hands from what i understand are good

their default ones are flatline and perservation for now

[patent fossil]

I've heard measured is also a good option now.
Sadist and flatline very good if the rest of the build supports them too.

Seems like it's mostly a matter of taste now, which is great

[half cosmos]

flatline may be good on a heatbreaker+yarl i guess

[patent fossil]

Flatline for heartbreaker definitely, don't think Yahl really factors into that. Sadist for Ongoing Directive, which is really strong this season

[subtle bluff]

preservation isn't worth it.

[half cosmos]

i know will keep the flat roll other to optimist i guess

[rich lotus]

preservation is goated for solo content

but ya probably not on heartbreaker

dont sleep on the preservation backup boomstick tech 👀

[hasty sluice]

ok now I really gotta make a pistol setup lol

[patent fossil]

Headhunters fury

[hasty sluice]

something like this?

[patent fossil]

Yes, that should do the job nicely (at least solo). Great for speedrunning content

Plus you can upgrade to regulus when you have it (if determined hasn't destroyed your aim)

[hasty sluice]

nah I still aim for the head most of the time

[patent fossil]

If you find it a bit squishy you can add a blue core or two or swap to technician for a stronger shield at the cost of some damage

[subtle bluff]

Speedrunning I run DCH. So when I have to switch to Shotgun I'll have something charged with the pistol.

Use HF backpack for wider CC.

[hasty sluice]

aint gonna lie. I wish we had a slug shotgun.

it could be exotic or something. kinda like the double barrel in div 1

[fresh fox]

no need to swap if he doesn’t care about dch

[covert meadow]

How do you effectively use that hunters fury build is it more of gathering trophy's and you kill or cover to kill and move, because this build on heroic with all directives seems like would be extremely tough

[fresh fox]

play super close up and hit your shots

if you don’t kill you don’t survive

[covert meadow]

Yeah, I'm a rifle man personally but looking at that build makes me tense up lol

[fresh fox]

it’s very very good

@half pasture boss 2 shotgun nego prep

if you dont have the habs bag just use like a walker harris or something idk

or a prov instead

[covert meadow]

That looks very well @fresh fox is the aim full 60 chc then fill the rest chd?

[half pasture]

It's a headshot oneshot so it'll be 270% hsd and either 40% weapon handling or 35% chc

[covert meadow]

Oh wow @half pasture ok 👍

[fresh fox]

full headshot damage

since you are the prep guy

you just need to do big damage

[covert meadow]

I'm gunna try and build this, I have haps backpack but wanted it fir open world pve basically maybe couple missions

But it's really for sniper build

[fresh fox]

that isn’t the sniper version

nor is it a good open world option

[covert meadow]

Ah what would you recommend for that using that Lexington, I have striker elmo combo, I would like some kind of rifle combo with Lexington @fresh fox

[fresh fox]

it doesn’t really matter

your whole job is to sledge, achilles, shoot the achilles and get ready to wipe

[vestal ibex]

I mean for speeds... Do these guys know you are talking about full on speeds?

Cause you mention shotgun nego, you can't immune him too quick.

[rich cosmos]

Just use lexington on any build using an ar

[fresh fox]

i’m just talking about shotgun nego here

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's just prep for shotgun nego isn't that time sensitive cause you are waiting for chunga to spawn.

Almost any red dps build+nego bro will do the damage ez.

[fresh fox]

but like that’s the go to

[vestal ibex]

eh it only matters in speeds, otherwise it's kinda dumb to put a build requirement on people who don't know what they are doing to just ding the boss into immunity messing up shotgun nego anyway.

[covert meadow]

Ok @rich cosmos 👍

[fossil fjord]

Back to play again…and with so many upgrades, I have no idea to build. I am a demo guy…any help with builds?

Thanks

[solar sable]

actually... builds most of the time depend on the spec you're using, not what on you like.
Basic builds are Striker's, HB, Hotshot, oxi, mortar and Nego.

Then you have hybrids or PvP stuff. It's all in the spreadsheet.

[cunning ledge]

searching was no help 😆
what is the cap on skill haste/CD please?

[onyx sage]

no cap

[cunning ledge]

gotcha.. so it cant CD faster than 10secs..

i need my toys to recharge faster! 😆

[vestal ibex]

Hardcore huh....

[devout sonnet]

No not the bees!

[fresh fox]

could charge faster

[cunning ledge]

ya i was asking.. i am at 99% for both toys..

[patent fossil]

Cooldown reduction % works by increasing the speed of cooldown, not by reducing the total time by that %, so even at 100% cdr you won't get instant cooldowns

[onyx sage]

that's actually skill haste, cooldown reduction actually does work with the behavior you said (at 100% = 0 CD), but CDR isn't in div2

skill haste and cooldown reduction are 2 different stats, cdr used to be in div2 but no longer because it's deemed too powerful

skill haste works like this:

new cooldown = old cooldown / (1 + skill haste)

this means as skill haste increases, your new cooldown will decrease but will never be 0, and it has less effect the more you stack it

[devout sonnet]

Does this actually work? How fast can it kill enemies?

[versed summit]

Looks like it’ll work about as well as any turret drone build. You’re missing a damage chest talent, but other than that only a few places where there you’d be missing skill damage rolls from a “meta” skill build

[devout sonnet]

I never tried a skill build, mostly because of disruption, especially against hunters

[versed summit]

Yeah it just sucks there

[magic pilot]

Isn't there a talent that's % based cooldown?

[versed summit]

Overclock

Perfect overclock is very op

[magic pilot]

An on kill one too

[versed summit]

Calculated

[rich lotus]

best builds for st elmo engine and the strega?

[versed summit]

striker's. there's a build guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[keen glade]

Is there any chance of this knee brace falling off? (armor regen)

[glass herald]

Whats considered bis AR?

And which talent for pve n pvp

[versed summit]

Not sure what this means

[velvet beacon]

its always 1% ><

[versed summit]

Lexington if you have it, otherwise FAMAS, P416, m4 are good.

[versed summit]

Optimist works well for both.

[keen glade]

Is it falling from the summit?

[versed summit]

No only from dark zone and named caches

[velvet beacon]

nah, its dz exlusive and u can get it from named caches or unlock crafting project from descent

sometimes can appear in coundown vendor

[velvet beacon]

u can use to 2x gila, 1x belstone, x1 golan 4,5% armor regen if u dont have emperor guards kneepads and u will have one free spot with ninja

[fresh fox]

don’t use ninja

use ad rush or memento if you can get stacks

[velvet beacon]

only - ninja is u have lower dmg, so vigilance on backpack or intimidate + adrenaline rush

[fresh fox]

a full armor regen setup with ninja would be less tanky than a regen build with ad rush

[half cosmos]

what would be a good rifle build? Want to use with ravenous or a usc something rifle its very accurate has strained on it

[rich cosmos]

Strikers or aces

[half cosmos]

Also idk how i did not notice but man they reduced 2% chc from cheska?

[rich cosmos]

Yea

And 3% from groupo

[half cosmos]

I tried the new break point build and wow that set 4 peice is bad imo cause its 15sec and that resets PER reload? Woah

[rich cosmos]

Yea breaking point really sends you to your breaking point

Anyways I think I have finally made a good striker/healer build I legitimately enjoy

[half cosmos]

Its 3 peice is decent for a wierd hybrid ninja thing i guess

[velvet beacon]

im runnin like that

[keen glade]

this is already the set , knee pad golan Should I add?

[half cosmos]

I meant breaking 2 peice 25% buff is cool

The main talent? Thats meh

[velvet beacon]

you mean on chest?

[half cosmos]

Oh wait wrong person ping

[velvet beacon]

ew... xd

[half cosmos]

Sorry man realised a sec late

Welp i guess thats my brain telling me to sleep again sorry cya

[velvet beacon]

with ninjabike i have something around +120k regen but dmg is kinda meh, prefere this one

or u can use instead golans, murakami kneepads and catharsis mask

or if u use smgs u can sacrifice some crit chance attributes for armor regen ones

[velvet beacon]

on this u have max 5,5% regen, u should have around 110k regen/s so its good

[fresh fox]

no that’s fine

[velvet beacon]

now its the thing if u are satisfy with your mob kill speed, for me was a little to slow so i rolled one more red core

[cunning ledge]

its a fun build and its nice in groups.. as a support for the healer..
and as a HC character.. i prefer to give myself a challenge (because it takes all of 5 hours to get to 40 now).. no Revive orb and no shields.. 😆
as for killing.. it works amazing in solo content.. i sit behind cover and shoot, keeping both toys boosted (and myself) and it moes down things fast.. its also nice to split them up on multiple bosses!

[velvet beacon]

on secondary weapon u can use Emeline's Guard with Perfect Preservation or other weapon with preservation talent sometime helps restore armor

[devout sonnet]

Yes! Sending them on different targets probably feels like that part in the movie polar where he uses lasers on his fingertips to guide each gun to a target.

Perfectly choreographed dance of death. Well if you need DPS BT unit lmk be cool to coordinate cosmetics with someone.

[magic pilot]

Is this for PvP?

[rich cosmos]

Reposting my new build since it got lost in chat

Not sure if btsu gloves should replace alps

[velvet beacon]

overcharge for me always better ><

[solar sable]

maybe, i like the build tho

[velvet beacon]

any have some build for Liberty pistol? Looking some inspiration, made one already 3 red, 3 blue 54/140

[fresh fox]

no

no one ever.

[noble fractal]

lmao

[keen glade]

yes

[keen glade]

Yes, I changed my 2nd weapon

[hexed steppe]

Turret/ drone builds the cooldown is useless. They have really long uptime so you can stagger when you destroy one and always have a skill active

Chest talent also useless. Better ways to get armor back without killing your damage.

Glass or kinetic momentum (buffed this season).

Leaving a bunch of damage on the table.

If you rock 6 skilltier on the gear you wont be locked to tech spec.

This is utilizing gunner, palisades, mop named shotgun, 30%-40% armor on kill that the turret and drone can proc without you needing to headshot anything.
Utilizes perfect glass for 30% amp for all damage .
Tech support for 25% total skill damage.
There is 36% in pfe mods, but that's preference and can just as easily be 36% haste.

[onyx sage]

wtf take that damage then the table is mine

[hexed steppe]

Oh hc agent, stick with kinetic momentum

[stone lark]

feels like I'm missing something with the headhunter HF build in the spreadsheet, is it just on my part or am I missing a key component, like determined on my pistol?

[onyx sage]

what do you feel is lackluster rn?

like not killing enemies fast enough, dying too fast, can't get to enemies fast enough, etc.

showing your current build also helps

[stone lark]

not killing fast enough basically, strikers feels more consistent and faster atm
also hang on, i'll try and grab it

[onyx sage]

and also how you play too

there's a couple of variants of HHF you can roll with, like i know how i play HHF differs from how most play it

[devout sonnet]

Armour recovery or armour on kill?

[onyx sage]

armor on kill is a better deal but you need damage

[broken edge]

personal preference is on kill

[hexed steppe]

What build?

[stone lark]

still very rough around the edges atm like the backpack not having weapon handling yet and ouro being a placeholder secondary, but everything else is rolled for headshot damage and weapon handling. alternatively I use memento sometimes.

[onyx sage]

so looking at this, what you want to do optimally is get a kill with the harvest, then either:

• continue killing with harvest, or
• switch to m870 and continue killing until you get enough stacks to switch back to harvest

depending on the enemy you face, you have to use the correct weapon, like chungas, warhounds, or tanky enemies need m870

[devout sonnet]

Striker 4 with fenris chest and momento

[onyx sage]

you also want to make sure your m870 has 150%+ hsd

[stone lark]

any recommended mods for the m870? is the non-scope reflex preferred over the scoped ones?

[onyx sage]

backpack optimally you want either memento or d&h, providence is only used if you cannot meet hsd threshold on m870 due to low shd

[onyx sage]

i run accuracy mods nowadays but you can run hsd mods to meet 150%

[onyx sage]

armor on kill 100%

running armor regen means you're losing crit but running armor on kill doesn't make you swap crit attributes for it

[stone lark]

i greatly appreciate your advice, are there any recommended secondary weapons like an SMG or just another shotgun?

[kindred mango]

And the regen mods flat out suck

[onyx sage]

sniper or shotgun, you can run smg if you really need to have crit to kill a warhound, but you only do that if you lost HH stacks to one-shot the warhound leg

[kindred mango]

Regen mods should give a fixed percentage. .25%, .5% something like that

[onyx sage]

aint that the dream

[hexed steppe]

Gunner aok then, memento gonna have regen anyways. Might want ceska over fenris since striker is crit starved

[devout sonnet]

Thanks guys

[fresh fox]

he’s on prov so i think it’s chill

[dreamy valve]

Is Centurion Scabbard bugged?

[broken edge]

explain

is it the ammo thing by switching weapons?

[devout sonnet]

Even if running retribution?

[dreamy valve]

thats what i'd like to know

[broken edge]

semi intended

talent increases magazine size, ammo is taken from reserve

[dreamy valve]

Im hearing there is a way to get both buffs at once by glitching it out

[broken edge]

thats new

[dreamy valve]

Where Azurmen did they quit

[onyx sage]

@blissful rampart your people need you

[blissful rampart]

"who dares summon me from my slumber!" 😈

[onyx sage]

focus

[blissful rampart]

just been super busy with RL man

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, tbh if your crit buff doesnt have a 100% uptime then it's better just to have proper crit. That being said it's also a bit of preference if you're comfortable with the ebb and flow of chc. Itll still be worth running grupo for chd over fenris.

I'm a nego main for dps tho, so staying at 60chc cap is thoroughly ingrained in my thought process

[normal cypress]

gotta stop playing so much rocket league man that shit can kill you

[blissful rampart]

if only, its been work for me. what little time i have to game has been warframe as of late but even then not much time 😭

[normal cypress]

we've all been there, take it easy bro, priorities!

[devout sonnet]

I always disregard nego but I'm guessing I didn't read something right because it always seemed a meh set

[cunning ledge]

interesting..
sadly i need those little tweaks for the HC set up.. with the headshot 20% armor regen and the enemy death is another +10%, add +10% if its a head shot kill.. so 40 total.. its a nice "oh @#$" umph!.. not to mention my signature offers 15% armor bonus when aiming the deployed skills (both skills, so 30% total).. the Faraday Field (from signature) makes me immune to shock and disrupt effects.. another nice thing for HC!
my base Haste is 86%.. then each skill adds their own, which is why im at 99% overall skill haste and would love to lower it and still keep the CD i have!
the Skill Efficiency from the 3-piece gear is at 24%.. thats +24% to EACH of > skill damage, haste, duration, health, repair and status effects.. 😆
so much math!
and now with HC able to access their stash.. the actual builds can begin lol..

[subtle bluff]

Soo I was turret main when I low SHD level and after changing off and using a Hybrid build the biggest takeaway is that turrets and drones will always be out DPS by your weapon's DPS.

[hexed steppe]

Nego one of the strongest multi target dps, and also recieved a buff this season.
The thing is its talent, its transfers(duplicates) your crits on a target to any marked NPCs.

You mark npcs by critting them so dont really have to think about it too much.
You just kinda gotta spray a spawn and focus the biggest threat.
With 3 Mark, critting a mark for say 700k , the other 2 Marks each take that 700k, so total damage that crit generates was 2.1mil. The damage that gets transfered is also conditioned on the target, so if target is out of cover and you have dttooc on weapon/build, the marks will have that full damage transfered regardless of them being in cover.

[onyx sage]

the smart folks never deemed it a meh set

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I didnt even realize it was hc till I went back and looked again. Definitely different priorities

[normal cypress]

haven't had the chance to check out any changes since the start of y6 and just got in to mess around, having a lot of fun

[onyx sage]

history has been made with nego

the goat is back.

[normal cypress]

you were gone??

[onyx sage]

💀

[hexed steppe]

[subtle bluff]

On paper, Nego has the highest potential damage output. In use it's a bit harder.

[hexed steppe]

Actually, transfered damage with bag is 10% higher than the target takes now, right?

[normal cypress]

12% apparently

[hexed steppe]

Oh damn

[normal cypress]

didnt even know lmao im running blind

[subtle bluff]

Negotiator's Dilemma
Backpack Talent

Increases Crowd Control damage to additional marked enemies from 60% to 112%.
Before: Increases Crowd Control damage to additional marked enemies from 60% to 100% .

[hexed steppe]

Yeah that's real good.

I'm so used to nego that when I do run striker, I'm still shifting targets to keep my imaginary marks full 😅

[devout sonnet]

Never claimed to be a smart man, I move forward with trigger down and either the problem goes or I do

Hmmm maybe it makes sense for me to switch since I'm always switching targets anyway

[onyx sage]

not saying you aren't smart either, you can only be smarter

we no-life in this game anyway so

[devout sonnet]

Striker main, head empty XD

Yeah I know, just jokes with me lol

[rich cosmos]

I wonder if I should make my healing build on nego instead of striker

[hexed steppe]

Skill Buckets™️

[rich cosmos]

Would this do good on nego? I don’t use nego enough to know

[molten thorn]

so with nego do you just sweep across the crowd to mark everyone and then go biggest to smallest?

[subtle bluff]

This is why IMO it's really hard to play. It's only up to 3 targets you can mark and a Crit needs to happen. So you could do it this way but keep the uptime on +2 marks isn't easy.

[hexed steppe]

Pretty much. When you get more used to the mechanic you'll start shifting target when their 50% or so to keep damage incoming an new marks being ground down

You pretty much always push for 60% chc cap. I'll do this even with coyote active, but I basically run exact as [Mjx](#td2-build-advice message) but with elmo or some ar and m1a cqb

[hexed steppe]

I never really found it difficult to use tbh. If you chase/memorize spawns, everything marks itself. It gets a little more in depth when you target specific npcs to maximize the transfered damage. I moved from highend dps to nego , and it basically plays like highend to me.

[subtle bluff]

It's a skill issue 100% for me. I'm not amazing at the game but pretty good it doesn't fit my playstyle it's just a Skill issue for me

[onyx sage]

target acquisition is pretty important with nego. to minimize dps loss due to target switching you gotta train to switch fast

[strong cave]

How's nego with Strega?

Did testing in PvP with Strega and it rips when you use it on skills 😂

[fresh fox]

doesnt really work that well imo

[strong cave]

I'm running Glass + vigilance

[fresh fox]

strega doesnt

would be cool if marked targets dying would spread the buff

[strong cave]

Yeah I found that insanely stupid

With the testing I did with Strega in PvP is to target skills. It worked on skills which applied the marks to other agents/rogues. Once one is knocked and others are near, you just keep killing and you get stronger. Tried it with DZ landmarks and when people go rogue and you kill Ads in landmarks, marks apply to the rogues as well. The damage is crazy on the right build

[spare cairn]

i think my ourabingus is bugged

[subtle bluff]

modifiers on?

[broken edge]

gonna assume mix of NB, striker and umbra

[spare cairn]

uh what is nb?

[broken edge]

ninja bike backpack

was assuming you were stacking all of the rof buffs possible

striker has one at 3 pieces

umbra probably the second highest with 4 pieces

[spare cairn]

modifier "impatient", umbra, centerion holster thing new

[subtle bluff]

Modifier really reallyy and bug out your stats.

IE:

[subtle bluff]

I don't think that would be enough.

[broken edge]

i think someone passed 2k rof a while ago

[spare cairn]

what should i change here? i think its the best striker build hands down

[fossil grail]

mid

[fresh fox]

get rid of the blue cores

centurions is good on paper but very annoying to keep up

[solar sable]

no it's not, blues don't deal damage

[solar sable]

it takes four and a half days to reload 😆

[hexed steppe]

im not sure why you think skill efficiency has 3x its actual value for all the Skill Buckets™️ .
empress is only 8% skill efficiency now . so 8% in all the Skill Buckets™️ , not 24% unless something has drastically changed this patch. at most the set is giving you 18% skill health, 18% skill damage, and 8% in repair, duration, haste, status effects. skill efficiency also would register double the haste so youll need to remove 8% from whatever your total haste is to have a proper reading.

1wyvern/2hanna slightly outweighs the 3pc empress in relevant attributes, 18% skill damage/10% haste, the missing attributes obv not having a huge impact on turret or drone. ill need to change this on my own setup as well tho.

i also get your reasoning for the chest talent, but it kills damage at the same time as you put your self at risk to proc part of the armor return. the skill themselves could be the ones at risk to get you the armor. itll also only be effective when you are already low armor, as opposed to straight armor on kill topping you off regardless of how low you were. topping you off with work put in by your skills, constantly. a damage chest talent makes it even easier for your skills to kill. now im not sure if preservation is procced by skill kills, but lets be real, you wont be getting many or any kills with it on a no damage armor/skilltier setup. insync mop, the aok procced by skill kills afaik

faraday , and nominally the skilltier allowing for an armor core, are the only things worth on tech class. you wont be holding/aiming your skills long, you dont get that bonus armor for directing a skill to a new target... its just aiming to deploy (or aiming sticky/chem/firefly/etc). you wouldnt even see the bonus armor on the drone as you just deploy without aiming. i tested this to be sure i wasnt adding bad information.

[hexed steppe]

i have barely put it in a nego build. i havent really had a chance to put it through its paces and need to kinda learn its talent .

[strong cave]

Here, lemme pull a Dod Regnbue (love his content so much):

Right, okay, Strega. I'll keep it simple. Decent. Talent, easy. Hunters fury but on a gun. Talent spreads like Pestilence. Point, Click, demolish everything that stands in the way

[hexed steppe]

i saw it might be dodo on nego tho, maybe ill just throw it in a striker setup

[strong cave]

I think I nailed the impression tbh 😂

[strong cave]

Striker or high end vigilance + glass builds it hits like a dump truck

Honestly any damage dealing builds it just hits. Pretty good gun. Just needs a crit chance mod tho

[rich lotus]

I haven’t touched this game in a year any good dps build advice?

[hexed steppe]

striker is easiest to setup

pinned messages has a build spreadsheet, striker, heartbreaker, nego, hunters fury all solid dps

[rich lotus]

Alright ty

[rich cosmos]

Im so confused by this

Like how do you hit almost 800 shd with this

Actually Ive seen worse nvm

[magic pilot]

Lose ninja

[devout sonnet]

How do you run an all red strikers on legendary? Every time I expose even the slimmest part of myself my armour is gone

[magic pilot]

Learn how to peek

[patent fossil]

Look up dien.aka.kim on YouTube, he has some demonstration videos of how it's done (solo)

[broken edge]

play it extra safe

[tulip charm]

Abusing third person peeking

[fair dragon]

by reading the Art of War by Sun Tzu
Make use of vertical covers, use C2C to move around

[indigo cipher]

trying to make this legendary viable currently doing this mission on legy cant remember name

[onyx sage]

i mean you definitely can make it viable, but you probably can see a few problems with it

[indigo cipher]

yeah i see i lack dmg from far away

n i was tryna make it team orinated basically

[onyx sage]

team oriented is just dps or support

[indigo cipher]

it has decent DPS icl

[onyx sage]

dps is just as team oriented as self

[indigo cipher]

nothing like striker or what not but it does 300k+ normal and with chatter rpm boost it kills chunga very fast

just wondering if there was a better way of doing this? thats all

[onyx sage]

300k is not a lot lol

using chatterbox here is kinda backwards cuz you need enough damage to proc the mag refund but you don't have enough damage from other places in your build

and drop ninjabike for a better piece, most likely a high end backpack with versatile or vigilance

[indigo cipher]

ah

i could do hunters fury tho?

[onyx sage]

you could

[indigo cipher]

would that still b good?

[onyx sage]

has always been, but crit might fall off in groups if you can't kill fast enough

it really only shines if you can kill fast, most people run the headhunter variant

[indigo cipher]

im trying to use belestone is my main goal to have survivalbility

[onyx sage]

well survivability can come in different forms, the 1% armor regen is negligible at best, and the 10% aok can come from elsewhere

[indigo cipher]

yeah but im tryna use the talent perfect efficency

[onyx sage]

why do you need it

[indigo cipher]

because im very aggreissive

in pve

[onyx sage]

you can play aggressive without needing to heal

[indigo cipher]

im bad at pve XD

[onyx sage]

just learn how to play aggressive in the first place

it's not something efficient will solve for you

get enough damage so you can kill shit faster and voila aggressive playstyle

in the meantime if you want to contribute in team damage just go striker and play mid-long range. you can always go short-range occasionally

[indigo cipher]

yeah i have those builds too but im trying to do something different if that makes sense?

[onyx sage]

sure, but you still need enough damage

[indigo cipher]

yeah thats my main issue

[onyx sage]

your goal is still to do enough damage but give a bit more breathing room, but this is going too much into utility side and sacrificing too much damage

[indigo cipher]

so how would i go about changing that to be perfect in the middle?

[onyx sage]

if you really want to help the team in damage, there are a couple builds, i personally recommend blue striker or heartbreaker, but there are other ways to support the team

your mindset should be "if everyone is down can i survive?"

[indigo cipher]

thats what im tryna do

[onyx sage]

also another thing is idk how "different" you want your playstyle to be

there's a lot of ways you can improve on the game sense front to play aggressive, so i'd focus on this first before trying to make a build because ideally the build should give you damage while you handle not taking too much damage

[indigo cipher]

yeah i get that

[glossy sentinel]

any advice on a recent good Rifle Build like the old Bakers Dozen ones in the early days?

[velvet beacon]

i have somethin like this

[vestal ibex]

Btw this is all that's really needed

But it's so small it hard to see.

All the other stat pages don't really matter tbh

[indigo cipher]

how to make it hit harder? i hit near 830K

1.1 mil headshot but how to make harder

[vestal ibex]

Use a damage chest talent and backpack.

HF chest and backpack don't add any damage.

Ceska/vigi backpack and soko or grupo chest with obliterate or maybe PGC if you wanna really risk it.

[gentle lichen]

Something something obliterate and unstoppable force

[indigo cipher]

thank you guys

[patent fossil]

intimidate chest if you run memento backpack is not a bad combo either

if you can keep the bonus armor up anyway

[indigo cipher]

for legendary if that changes anything

[patent fossil]

Solo or group? It's difficult to get close enough to deal damage with legendary unless you're running like HHF with regulus or something and speed-killing everything

[indigo cipher]

suggestions for both using SMG or shotgun

[vestal ibex]

Slap a chainkiller on there and become a CHAD

That's for shotgun/pistol/sniper tho

It's the most OP thing in the game if you can hit heads.

[onyx sage]

smg/shotgun is just crit

[vestal ibex]

Turn them to the dark side

[onyx sage]

no

[vestal ibex]

Shotgun on a HSD/chainkiller/HF setup will hit for like how much fully stacked up? Bro said they wanted bigger numbers.

[onyx sage]

well yes

no i mean my friends refer to determined HH as "dark side"

HHF regulus can never be dark to me

[vestal ibex]

Isn't spas new top damage shotgun? Is it even much more?

[onyx sage]

spas theoretical max but i hate its accuracy

[vestal ibex]

But not a worth while number difference right?

[onyx sage]

it's overkill for legendary, but i can imagine it being useful for shotgun nego

idk you probably have more background than me on this

[velvet beacon]

open in browser

[vestal ibex]

Breh that isn't gonna add pixels...

[velvet beacon]

dude is openin narmal for me

[vestal ibex]

Just know one pic of your overview is all that's needed.

All that other stuff is just junk.

[magic pilot]

If anyone who doesn't know what you have off the overview picture alone gives you build advice I'd probably ignore them

[onyx sage]

wdym i need to know precisely how much optimal range you have to give irrelevant advice!

[magic pilot]

Gotta make sure they have dtooc for multiplicative dmg

[velvet beacon]

You didn't ignore if you commented

[magic pilot]

You did not read what I said at all

Not even close

[fresh fox]

great. another shotgun i have to farm.

[indigo cipher]

May I see a picture dms are open 👀

[vestal ibex]

Backpack can be DH for pistol or the gift. If you don't wanna run vigi you can swap for memento but just know you'd need a perfect build to meet the HSD requirement for chainkiller on shotguns.

Snipers/shotguns/regulus or harvest(or magnum) work well in this build but you'll wanna use high damage weapons.

Gotta hit heads tho.

[indigo cipher]

Saved TY (Headshots are ez since I use the hazpro hs bighorn build)

Just need to do raid for regulus

[vestal ibex]

There are LFG discords that are very good for that. If you want I can DM you links.

[indigo cipher]

The LFG here is not good?

[vestal ibex]

There are no VC channels so it'll be hit or miss as to how you communicate or end up in a cesspool discord.

Most people just LFG in the discords that they will VC in and some discords have people who will specifically help you raid and teach you.

[indigo cipher]

Just run dps as a newbie 🫡

I just need regulus tbf

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but iron horse is like an actual raid. You'll need to know where and what to do even if you don't control or help with mechanics.

Also you can't join raids without being on peoples friends list.

[indigo cipher]

Yeah I get that

[fresh fox]

did someone say iron horse

i like that one

[vestal ibex]

Steel pony

[indigo cipher]

Plastic shoe horse

[fresh fox]

copper donkey 🔥🔥

[indigo cipher]

CL new raid right there

[glossy scarab]

adamantium equestrian

[indigo cipher]

Wut

[glossy scarab]

just talking nothing

[indigo cipher]

I gotta look that up my brain to small

[glossy scarab]

eh its stupid anyway dont look it up

[indigo cipher]

That’s a big word to say horse

[glossy scarab]

now that i think of it, that word means horse rider. not horse

[indigo cipher]

Bruh I can’t even read 💀

[glossy scarab]

you shud lurn

[indigo cipher]

Naw Dps brain go brrrr

[vestal ibex]

Bro that's perfect

[glossy scarab]

wow i was expecting a man gtf outta here lol

[vestal ibex]

lil comic book and technical horsey name

[magic pilot]

Did someone say iron hours?

[glossy scarab]

ooooooo

thats good

[magic pilot]

Dark horse

[glossy scarab]

i wonder if that publisher still exists

oh its alive and well

[molten thorn]

last time I ran a raid Striker wasn't in the game, it'll perform fine in DH if I'm not trying to like WR Speedrun, right?

[magic pilot]

up to the raid leader, some still prefer High end but striker is fine for most LFG

[tulip charm]

Striker is completely fine for dh

[ebon sapphire]

Finally got a decent back back

I know, fenris is not as kind like this

thgere is usually a explosive resistance somewhere in there

that's being lucky haha back to CP4 prison I got. gota farm for optimaztion

yeah I just maxed it out just now

Need more field recon. Crafting it costs so much mats

[magic pilot]

No

1s faster activation

Wdym old

Gear 1.0 ?

No

[ebon sapphire]

which backpack has the perfect vigilance?

[magic pilot]

Increases total weapon dmg by 25% taking dmg disables this buff for 4s (3s)

What are you talking about

This is how it works right now

That's a 5 year old video from before they redid all the talents

It's the exact same except the perfect version reduces the cooldown by 1s instead of 5% more dmg

[ebon sapphire]

😂

[magic pilot]

Unless you are running headshot or the raid build there's no point

I got one god rolled in darkzone awhile back

[static orbit]

Oh my god this video was a throwback. I couldn't imagine items being like this now lol

I was going to ask, is headshot damage still a useful stat for weapons other than Rifles/MRs?

It's been a few years since I've played and I'm cleaning out my inventory. Feels like there's lots of junk here

Trying to figure out what High-End sets to keep too

Chameleon was my DPS weapon for a while I think. That thing CANNOT hit head lol

[normal cypress]

there are a few builds that focus on HSD utilizing headhunter, other than that, CHC/CHD are your main DPS stats

you either spec into HSD or crit, not both

[static orbit]

Oh, like the perk?

[normal cypress]

yep

[static orbit]

Ah, okay

[normal cypress]

there are a bunch of builds that use headhunter (HH), in fact, i don't know of a HSD focused build that works too well without it

[static orbit]

Do people normally use 1p of brands like Ceska, Grupo Sombra, and Providence to fill out Gear Set builds? I'm just wondering if I'm making my DPS build properly. I've been a healer all my life lol

I figured gear sets were always the way to go if you could, no?

[normal cypress]

pinned sheet has a list of more meta builds that you can get an idea of the slots and brand sets to use

generally speaking, there are some named items that are BIS for high end or gearsets, like contractors gloves and fox's knees. having a good ceska piece that can be used to beef up your CHC is always good too

[static orbit]

Yeah, HE builds just seemed like good all-rounders

[normal cypress]

strikers/hb/nego/umbra are all great picks for almost any weapon DPS wise

and hunters fury is versatile

[vestal ibex]

OD is now on par with HE tho.

[normal cypress]

^

[vestal ibex]

Pls no

[solar sable]

it's kind of great now

[static orbit]

OD?

[vestal ibex]

Ongoing directive

[static orbit]

Oh, for status effect builds? That's on my list, those seem kinda fun

[normal cypress]

it works for a standard DPS build

you just get free amp damage for you and your team

[static orbit]

oh, I was getting it confused with the other one that spreads the status effects on kill.

[vestal ibex]

Gun gun builds

[static orbit]

I'll be on the lookout for OD too then, sounds neat

[normal cypress]

honestly, just try them all

they're all pretty good now, see what sticks with you

[onyx sage]

eclipse protocol

[static orbit]

Yeahhh, that's the one I was thinking of lol

[vestal ibex]

You don't wanna wear ridgeways anyway.

OD is good now because of the chest talent.

[normal cypress]

it does

iirc, but you are better off running something else

[subtle bluff]

50....

if something was 120 on it we'd be all using it

[static orbit]

well ty for the advice all :)

[onyx sage]

you don't really add them together

formula is a bit complicated yo

[subtle bluff]

It hurt me.

Yes

[onyx sage]

amp means "separate multiplier" so they multiply

they all work together

they just don't "add"

[normal cypress]

flatline * OD * opportunist

[subtle bluff]

If you're using OD you should be using Sadist.

That works but Lex with it also is really good

[normal cypress]

lex is more carnage than carnage

[onyx sage]

yeeeee overwhelm gives you more damage to offset the damage you lose from a target not being out of cover (not really)

it's such a big brain talent that make you think walk and shoot backwards

[normal cypress]

in all my years of being an lmg enjoyer i don't think ive ever used overwhelm

not even for shits n giggles

[onyx sage]

the ones i really like are sleipnir, mg5 (with various talents), bluescreen and iron lung

[normal cypress]

try gr9 steady handed strikers then get ~ rounds of supressing fire

[onyx sage]

iron lung having reload speed buffed makes me happy

[normal cypress]

can you legally marry bluescreen

asking for a friend

[onyx sage]

you can be a common law partner, the difficulty is moving in

[normal cypress]

i'll change my facebook relationship status first

er, in the same way that sadist is the same as eyeless, sure

it has an aoe effect on the disrupted target

you can find all the stuff about items in the pinned sheet

[magic pilot]

no m249 is crazy

[tulip charm]

I mean can you use it? Yes.

Should you? No.

As in?

Nah

I mean Cava is a better tank

Yeah

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ask the pvp mains in #td2-pvp-discussions

[fresh fox]

pvp nerd would have known the truth 🙄

[rich lotus]

morning

Question: is Gila Guard with Fenris Holster/ M4 Police version still current for solo players? or is it Lengmo now?

I somehow can't get my technician values

Explanation: haven't played for years, just got back into it a few days ago

[fresh fox]

on what build?

[rich lotus]

Technician

Complete Gila with Fenris Holster... thats the Build

[rich cosmos]

Ah yes, 5 piece gila, very strong

[rich lotus]

it's not about strength, it's about survival

According to the 2020 article I found, with 5 times Gila and Fenris as a holster you get 450,000 armor, 60,000 health and
3,000 skill power, enough to survive World 5

but now there is a level cap of 40, and I wanted to know if this is still up to date, or if there is a new set, because Google found nothing about it

[magic pilot]

That's from gear 1.0 and is completely irrelevant now

Checked the pinned spreadsheet it has builds in it

[rich lotus]

found it... uff, thats different

thx

[magic pilot]

Yes the gear was completely overhauled

[broken edge]

brand bonues were always limited to 3 pieces, gear sets were orginally 6 but got changed to 4 later so no reason to use more than 4 gear set pieces also

[molten thorn]

What perk should i be running on Harvest? I'm usually using the Kard custom so it might only be on my hotshot build for memery

[rich lotus]

Literally anything

Just have dttoc on it

And don’t put determined on it cause it lowers your iq and stuff 👍

[hazy steeple]

Finisher is never a bad idea on a Pistol, even if your main gun doesn't use crit.

[slender sentinel]

i have a serious problem with my build. I feel like am doing something wrong but like i just don't know would anyone be willing to help me out?

[rich cosmos]

Show the build

[shy willow]

What's the issue

[subtle bluff]

explain the issue

[slender sentinel]

feel like am not hitting hard and i get knocked way to easily whenever i try to do something like countdown

[buoyant stratus]

I am trying to figure out a build for DZ that would give me DPS but slight tanky for going against Rogues and the Hostile NPCs

[dreamy valve]

Switch to Lexington AR, keep all secondary attributes to chc/chd

You can also switch chest talent to obliterate

[shy willow]

The second complaint is because you're running glass cannon

The first is because you're missing mods and crit attributes

[dreamy valve]

Go for headshots, use cover

Shield won’t do anything

Can replace with a revive hive

Use the Gatling gun weapon specialization

[rich cosmos]

Glass cannon, random blue attributes, missing mods

[subtle bluff]

Shield can do something. But in CD it's not has useful.

[slender sentinel]

got it thanks everyone for the help

[dreamy valve]

With that build, there’s other skills I would suggest instead of shield, but it’s up to the player

[hexed steppe]

i know correct attributes and obliterate was suggested above. for countdown the enemies are tanky enough that you can get away with using striker chest. instead of a fenris piece you should really use ceska as your highend. youll want chc (critical hit chance) to be hitting 50%, this will help get closer to max damage output. fill up the chc attribute on your watch first moving forward. with chc on watch maxed out, future dps builds will be easier to setup

[molten thorn]

tbh I've been running striker shield for like a year and all it's done for me is inflict disorient and give me one more second of survivability. might swap to gunner for AoK and Banshee Pulse or something else soon

[subtle bluff]

Decoy, EMP Stick, Riot Foam, Hives, Pulses...

[subtle bluff]

If you're running all reds your shield is gonna weak but it's dmg buffs are really strong.

[shy willow]

That one second is super valuable

Besides the trick is to put it away if it's gonna break

[dreamy valve]

They had glass cannon equipped so that shield is extra fragile

[shy willow]

Yeahhh shields and blues on glass cannon are a bit goof

[molten thorn]

hey just wanna point out I'm not the one that asked for the build advice there I was just interjecting an anecdote

1 to 0.9% with backpack I think

https://discordapp.com/channels/477210626742288384/489792387011575808/1305578249920974852 yeah I guessed right

yeah you're doing just shy of 190% damage at 100 stacks

[subtle bluff]

Um what?

Strikers is 100 stacks. Chest is 200 stacks..

[molten thorn]

chest is 200

100 times 0.9 is 90

[subtle bluff]

Yes....

[molten thorn]

90+100(your damage before strikers) is 190%

[subtle bluff]

wtf.. No

Yes but no that's now how the math works for div

There's a lot more than that.

[molten thorn]

at what point in the equation is strikers' +90% damage added

[subtle bluff]

Just getting video. I'm typing it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOsthJfg3yw&list=PLCBIQre8iMUIxQkiCIQ1qVkyhes3ciYC-&index=7&t=9s&pp=gAQBiAQB

There short simple one

For just gear yes.

Like I said there's a quick video to explain it all.

[molten thorn]

so strikers goes on at the end, but before chd, if I'm reading this video correctly, because it's an amplify?

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[molten thorn]

so at 0 stacks of strikers you're doing 100% of your damage before strikers, and at 100 stacks of backpack strikers, you're doing 190% of your damage before strikers

what I said may have sounded stupid, but it wasn't incorrect, it was just incomplete.

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/nzEqgWOGezQ?
More detailed of it.

Well there more than just 100%

If we're just counting Strikers and 6 WD cores yes you are right.

[molten thorn]

I'm including everything before strikers gets added to my "100%" number because they're not technically relevant to "How much more damage does strikers make you do"

it's "damage without" vs "damage with" in my logic

[junior surge]

180

[molten thorn]

it amplifies by 0.9*100

we're not including chest, we can, but then the number goes to 280 (100[damage before strikers]+(200*0.9)

basically if you have a full build on and hit for 140,000 before you get any strikers buffs but have all the rest of your talents active and multipliers and whatnot, when you hit your 100th stack with the backpack you'll hit for 266,000, which is 190% of 140,000

[junior surge]

There is spaghetti coding, but this isn't reallay an example of it tbh. It's just multiplication.

[molten thorn]

this is just a slightly confusing equation that we're all understanding differently but not necessarily incorrectly

Tom Clancy's The Multiplication

[junior surge]

Multiplying by 1.9 is a 90% increase. Multiplying by 2.8 is a 180% increase. I don't really see what's spaghetti about that.

[subtle bluff]

If you get the math you can do stuff like +300mill in one shot.

[strong cave]

Dark Hours and Iron Horse one shots will never not be satisfying 😮‍💨🥵

Just something about taking a hand cannon and shooting a robot once and killing it tickles my happiness

[devout iris]

Is there a build made for solo legendary stronghold?

[strong cave]

You're gonna hate this answer, but striker rolled with a few blues is perfectly sufficient enough to handle legendary

[subtle bluff]

We do it in incursion too.

[strong cave]

I've never thought to attempt a 1 shot in Incursion

[devout iris]

How many blue cores we reffing to here?

[subtle bluff]

Not it really finding a playstyle you can use with a build imo. Some good players and use all reds.
Legendary is hard for a reason.
I can solo DUA but I can't use the same build for other lego.

[devout iris]

And I know the blue modifier I need is protection from elites

[patent fossil]

It's entirely possible to solo with full reds, if you get the hang of peeking

[strong cave]

I've played legendary DUA with my buddy and I ran 3 to 4 blues with 2 reds. I chose survivability so I went unbreakable as opposed to obliterate

Was my first attempt trying Leg with zero research and just figuring it out as I go. Took us an hour but we did it

[subtle bluff]

It's not really one shot but finishing off. The bosses in incursion have dmg gates.

[strong cave]

Yeah I heard you used to be able to actually 1 shot bosses there but they patched it

[subtle bluff]

That and learning all the spawns and order of things.

[subtle bluff]

Like the first few weeks. The devs didn't like and ya patched it.

[strong cave]

Anything fun gets made into a punishment or chore lol

[subtle bluff]

Current WR glitchless is 6mins

Naw it's good. It'd be pretty dumb otherwise.

[strong cave]

Speed running division is just new level skill and game knowledge

[subtle bluff]

I believe can go lil faster but the leaderboards are bugged out.

Glitched sure but these are non glitched runs. Glitched WR is 6:42 atm.

My PB is 6:30

[patent fossil]

Well yeah, it's generally assumed you'll run them a few times in a group and get the feel of it that way, going blind into a legendary stronghold solo is a bit of a chad move

[subtle bluff]

Aaaggreeeeeed

[devout iris]

Anyways I'm try and see if I can solo the Roosevelt island so wish me luck

[strong cave]

Did that with District Union Arena. We got all the way to the end without dying and had way too many close calls 😂

People who can run Legendary will always have my respect. It's difficult let alone doing it with only 2 people. Solo is just monstrously difficult. One day I will clear solo tho mark my words

[subtle bluff]

It's a hard grind. I have issues with investing that much time into that agian.

Speedrunners that do the times they do is something else.

[strong cave]

Me and my buddy took well over an hour to clear district union for the two of us. All he had were utility or full red builds and dude can't peek for shit 😂 I was the only one with proper builds

[subtle bluff]

You really should try DUA and Capitol first since there the easiest of the them all. Roosevelt isn't hard but long with a lot of double Chunga's spawns if I think about it now.

[subtle bluff]

hehe I just ran with 2 guys that never did lego yet on DUA modifier made it easier for them to do dmg but they were dying left and right.

I wonder if the modifier are breaking our leaderboard times atm. hmm...

[devout iris]

Yeah, I was rethinking that after I went to get some resources

[subtle bluff]

Get good at heroic so you know some general spawns and areas. Watch videos if you're seriously wanting to do it.

[patent fossil]

Dien.aka.kim has some videos on YouTube showing solo leg runs, useful if you want to learn positionings and tactics

That's the 'rotor blades' dude who often posts in here btw

[strong cave]

I've been hating people putting out interesting build videos but playing with the modifiers on while showcasing the build

And also yeah, I expected that of first time Leg players lol. I was the same way for a hot minute until I got the idea of how Legendary works

[glass herald]

What's bis pve dps build? Returning from over 2 year brake got Lexington

Running Perfekt glasscannon & Perfekt Vigilance atm

[patent fossil]

There's a few good ones at the moment, striker is still popular despite the slight nerf, heartbreaker, ongoing Directive and Negotiators all got buffs and are pretty competitive too

Striker with chest and backpack is max dps potential but only if you can reliably build and maintain max stacks, which is context dependent

[glass herald]

Hmm Kay Kay ic ic ima check em out

[devout iris]

Well I looked over his channel and it looks like he did a casual solo capitol with 4 piece blue core striker along with a full red ceska with matador, blue core palisade with intimidate and a six 12 with brazen and a fn 6k with strained

[vestal ibex]

He also has vids of full red no shield runs too.

[solid basin]

Making a basic heal build, running FI+Alps…using Tardigrade chest for the time being. Should I continue to build around Tardigrade or keep searching for BTSU?

[tulip charm]

btsu. also you should be using fi chest.

[versed summit]

BTSU with an opportunistic backpack. There’s a guide in the pinned spreadsheet.

[rich lotus]

What are your guy’s thoughts on this build i threw together not too long ago? I wanted a nice little build for dark zone content which would give me a nice little balance of damage and survivability. In terms of the cores i have 3 damage cores, 4 armor cores, and 1 skill tier. In terms of damage i have 3 stacking damages going with striker’s, obliterate, and the chameleon/optimist. 15% short term weapon damage per trophy collection and 30% weapon damage at max stacks. In terms of survivability i have 20% armor on kill, 40% short term bonus armor per trophy collection, and 3% armor regen at max stacks. To round this build up i also have 1 skill tier because why not. This build isn’t fully optimized or expertised so it has the potential to be a little bit better but this is more of a test build so let me know how i can improve upon it for DZ content.

[magic pilot]

Are you fighting other players or just farming landmarks?

[versed summit]

for lnadmarks this seems fine, but for player's you're going to have a bad time generally

[magic pilot]

Even for landmark farming I would run something tankier to avoid being jumped

[rich lotus]

Mostly for farming landmarks and maybe pvp, i havent tested it out against another player yet but i do also have a dedicated pvp build which isnt as tanky but hits very hard, this build is pretty experimental lol i wanted something that would help me out more on the pve side of things.

[versed summit]

could definitely roll more blues if you're leaning on chameleon anyways

[magic pilot]

Dz landmarks are challenging difficultly, if you are mostly there for loot I would run full blue

You don't need any extra dmg for the npc

[rich lotus]

Yeah i’m pretty used to my 4 blue 2 red builds lol so i figured why not just throw another red on but i can switch some cores around

[magic pilot]

I would go for a full regen build

Chameleon is honestly not bad for what you are doing

Most landmarks have super fast clear speeds

[rich lotus]

Yeah i mean the chameleon has a really good fire rate and i already have 2 stacking damages going so i just figured why not? It’ll help me to get those striker’s and obliterate stacks going real quick

[onyx sage]

this probably sounds unintuitive to you but having more stacking damage (backloaded) isn't as valuable as having more damage upfront (frontloaded). that's why people run high end guns with frontloaded damage talents to get damage out faster

having more stacking sources is bad. striker is used because of how high the ceiling is, not because it's stacking

[magic pilot]

You need basically 0 dmg bonuses for landmarks as well, expertise on your gun is more than enough

[rich lotus]

I know, my go to build usually relies on amp damage, dttooc, and a bit of stacking damage (aka heartbreaker/spotter) but everybody in the dz runs pulse resistance and haz pro nowadays, i tried making a ridgeway’s pride/sadist build but even with the recent buff i just couldn’t get it to work too well and i dont really care much for run and gun type builds so i figured i best just stick to my damage cores and stacking damage but with this build idk if i wanna prioritize survivability or damage more, i’m kinda thinking about going more towards the survivability side

[tulip charm]

What sweaty lobby are you joining to always have pulse res and haz pro

[magic pilot]

Most people don't run hazpro and pulse resistance just running around dz

[rich lotus]

I get into lobbies with build switcher’s from time to time, they’ll check the nearby players list, switch to whatever build they want after seeing what you got, and then pop rogue, its happened to me about twice now within the past month and its a pretty good tactic lol

[magic pilot]

That's what any good player will do

[rich lotus]

Yeah probably, i sorta just thought everybody ran around and shot eachother if they felt like it, i didnt even consider that as a tactic until my first time running into a guy that was countering everything i threw at him but yeah if i’m in a somewhat empty DZ then’ll i’ll run my spotter build but if its a really populated one then i try to be more cautious with what i’m running

[half cosmos]

trying somehing out what do u think? am in process of getting a decent cheska with chc roll

can slot a chc on the mask to get like +12%

[tulip charm]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/80ca098d-ac39-5c92-cbc0-4f29bb36c8e2/1b81bfe12d13e8d034d749a7abdef2d7

[velvet beacon]

u can farm goblins if u wanna keep gila mask, they can drop Chillout mask which have one atribute and u can put 2 mods on it, or drop gila with both crits 😄

[stone lark]

what kind of playstyles do the latter 3 provide

[half cosmos]

omg i did not know this existed imma hunt him then

[velvet beacon]

pmed u

[versed summit]

If you’re not going to run night watcher, you definitely need to run technician tbh

[patent fossil]

Mostly just mid range AR, keep mainly to cover and beam enemies down. Nego asks you to hit a few different enemies before focusing one, and Ongoing directive requires you hit the first target with a status effect before killing them, while striker and heartbreaker both stack up damage as you get more hits. Heartbreaker gives you more armor as a trade off for damage.

[subtle bluff]

why use a chillout mask for to crit when grupo and ceska do it better?

[patent fossil]

chillout only good for stats you only find on gear mods (mostly pfe)

since you lose both useful brand bonus and a second stat in exchange for that extra mod slot

[magic pilot]

No not really

Make any build with a chillout I can make it better

[patent fossil]

many people will disagree with you

[magic pilot]

Please, give us 1 example of a good use of chillout

I'd love to be wrong I have so many chill out

[patent fossil]

guess we have different ideas of what 'value' means

[solar sable]

that one kamikaze hb build /s

[devout sonnet]

[subtle bluff]

what is he using in it's mod slot?

[solar sable]

skill haste

[subtle bluff]

In a HB build?

[solar sable]

yeah
vector and acs w/flatline and the technician laser pointer

[half cosmos]

Welp looks like i may have butched my current hb set i tinkred the chc and chd on them so cannot roll them to red cores ahhh