td2-pvp-discussions

[tawdry pier]

crazy follow up if you ask me

[calm plinth]

i just realized ive seen ur channel before

ur good at reg

do u still use it after nerf?

[tawdry pier]

wep handling on dps setup to conter reload speed was the only change before patch and after otherwise all other builds are the same

honestly its still pretty good but i prefer not to fight shotguns close anymore

[calm plinth]

wep handling affects reload speed?

[tawdry pier]

yes and accuracy and stability but 3x handling rolls managed to get reload speed to something 1.93

0.2s more than pre patch

[calm plinth]

well you can really only change to wep handling on one build

regen and crit you cant rlly

ima def try it out tho

[tawdry pier]

I used to have a crit setup but the situations i find myself using it are slim

Can very much be a pc thing though there to be frequently used

Regen you can at least run around while you reload

[calm plinth]

it was prob the most common server fight build pre nerf with reg

mainly cause consistent damage

[tawdry pier]

i know a reg user on console made a full red crit reg to counter one tank pistol player

@craggy trench prod knows him the tank player was oni

[calm plinth]

lol ppl use to just run that as cheese

perfect glass cannon vigi and abuse desync to kill u before u can react

sometimes ub instead of glass cannon

[craggy trench]

Oni is solid

I played panda and him a ton because he plays east

[heady ivy]

1v1s?

[craggy trench]

4v3 or 4v4 normally

[heady ivy]

Ok

[craggy trench]

i usually lost so it doesnt really mean much either way

[amber ice]

@meager crag You're looking for #lfg-xbox, (assuming you meant div2), GL Agent

[inland tusk]

Ewww

[undone gate]

Any1 to conflict now??

[wet badger]

Why don't you ask your OVG friends for a PC account then hit my team up, we'll show you a rank 100 1st attempt for free.

The fact u come on here bragging about a team we were hunting from server to server while they ran like cowards the moment any one of my lot showed up says it all.

Anyway, I might have fed the troll but who cares, my point still stands, and please no begging for scrambles that's a dodge by design.

Let me remind some of the people here that I went to Xbox for 8 weeks in 2023 and had the entire platform dodging us just after a few weeks, no streamer or other top group would dare fight us unless it was some silly ruleset.

I swear to god it was like playing PC in 2020, rank 50-100 every server back to back, endless tears and cries in my DM, the reality is the general player base including named players are 3 years behind PC. Crazy stuff

[ripe root]

I absolutely support you punish those cry baby
I just want to mention about, many baby crying for no skill, no door camp, no foam etc. ,I think it also kind of ruleset

[calm plinth]

i’m p sure ‘scrambles’ wouldn’t even work on pc since our aim is way better

at least with the crit builds they want to run

[wet badger]

The thing is every team has its own way of playing the game, you cant expect another team to give up the things they are good at, no one ever did that for us beyond circa 2020.

In 2020-2021 we ran a comp style system for a while after Macho hosted the only 4v4 tournament Div 2 ever had on PC (which we won btw without a single round lost) we formed some basic rules in accordance with other clans, we eliminated the most OP stuff and crutch items.

We then proceeded to annihilate every team we fought, 66-9 (kills wise) and a host of other performances like this kills wise, we are talking top teams, none of them stood a chance, we lost 1 fight against EXC and it was because of a roster change and even then it was against the next best group who were actually friends of ours 8-10 rounds, we then re-matched and won 7-0 with an improved roster + I found out they were pressured into it, sucks for them.

So when we hear console kids gra gra gang this shiet about some circle jerc fight aka 'scrambles' we laugh ourselves off at the prospect, u guys all wanna run in circles around a mender mine (useless skill btw) and shoot no more than 20 rounds at a time fearing shooting more coz u might get 'counter beamed' (because shooting a moving target is too hard on the sticks u have to wait until a guy ADSs aka 'stand still') oh look how cool i am with my cut strafe gra gra let me tighten my durag gang shiet ya heard u aint comp like me with my 5 letter random assortment of letters username GBMPS.

If you let each team derive a set of rules in their favour they would probably win that fight most of the time (so how is it a test of skill?) The only true test that remains is no rules, server fight 4v4, or if u can agree to a small list of banned items then sure but anything u cant agree on is a compromise you'll have to deal with.

[craggy trench]

I think he's just saying that people who play console like to act super tough but also ask for a bunch of rules when they fight pc players

[wet badger]

Pretty much yeah, imagine being a beggar on your own platform and when u migrate, "wahh wahh u guys cant scramble" while leaving a server 8v3 - True Story I have receipts. ask for DM, link will be provided.

[undone gate]

Guys in your opinion for a all blue regen build in CONFLICT.. which deals more damage/ is best?
Lady death or ouroboros..

And someone have a conflict group in ps?? Im tired to run with randoms.. i want mates to pvp 🥹

[calm plinth]

ouro but that’s probably one of the worst builds you could run in conflict lol

[undone gate]

Why you say it? Want a opinion.. i tried a few times use my regen build that im using in dz and is fun.. a lot of times while strafe the 4 man have dificult to kill me XD

I played a LOT of conflict in div1.. in 2 im trying new builds and and having fun learning yet

All red, iron lung, pestilence, regen, bighorn regen, bonk build

@calm plinth ?

[calm plinth]

all blue regen ouro will do no damage

try ouro striker with perfectly efficient if you want to be tanky

[undone gate]

Perfect eficient with ninja? Or striker bp? New holster? Catarsis?

Never fought a striker in conflict

[undone gate]

Firewall? Survivalist?

[heady ivy]

Took me 5 munites to read this

In all honesty OVG likes to d ride eachother I was playing with them last night and I’m not sure how I feel about them now but I do enjoy watching ur vids and beating OVG would be pretty funny

And the reason we scramble on Xbox is for 4v4 clan fights playing beams gets boring

[craggy trench]

firewall

[calm plinth]

coyote mask

perfectly efficient

4 blues

carth could work

[undone gate]

Will try it.. ty for the tip!

[craggy trench]

I'd go catharsis

[tawdry pier]

I remember the """"""rules"""""" even in ps where a famas user wouldn't want to fight a shield splinterer because "its a bigger mag thats cheese"

People are weird

[calm plinth]

tbf its the samething on pc

if u challenge someone to a 1v1 its kind of expected u run regen hsd

only applies to 1v1s tho

[tawdry pier]

Here it's 6 blue crit meta

And some would even tweak over someone having catharsis stacks too lmao

[craggy trench]

Tbf catharsis stacks are a big advantage but it's literally part of the game

[calm plinth]

i dont think having rules for a 'fair' 1v1 are bad, it just crosses a line when people become elitist and judge those who dont care ab stuff like that

[wet badger]

in this patch having cath stacks is a major advantage, in 1v1s u should reset unless its an ego fight vs someone u dont like in which case its a street fight, seek the advantage any which way possible, who cares

[wet badger]

for example on console players 1v1 with crit which is RnG based, then they spam triple ad rush procs from spectators, sometimes a player gets extra stacks, wins with a black bar then talks shit, its so cringe

[wet badger]

they brought a 4 stack to PC beat up some lower tier groups then shouted "pc is ass"! they finally met up against the better teams and the moment they realised they couldnt win their way they proceeded to try the "come do scrambles, lets comp fight" "ya'll aint comp" but that doesnt work, they got their asses beat by such teams then spent weeks dodging until they quit, we had them on block list and pursued them server to server, but we are the ones dodging... logic and common sense isnt universal.

[heady ivy]

Ah I see

[calm plinth]

can you ask son why he left pc?

[heady ivy]

Shi ur son.

Who

[golden ermine]

People would abuse spectator ad rush in 1vs back when I did it, tell me I couldn't run demolitionist for free reload but will make a point to run to 2 spectators for ad rush.

[golden ermine]

Son ov godz

[heady ivy]

Staefyr could u beat son in 1v1s

With no ppl watching

[golden ermine]

I've 1v3d him, sonz is pretty bad, surrounds himself with decent players tho

[heady ivy]

Clip?

[golden ermine]

Xbox deletes clips after 30 days now

[wet badger]

yeah i downloaded some of my clips in the past, but some are still available, lost a lot though..

[calm plinth]

still don’t understand why it also applies to clips that aren’t on the network

[craggy trench]

this is meta for dz right?

[boreal jewel]

Wtf?

[buoyant oracle]

I’m aware heh. I have a bunch of purples for levelling mules with the level 40 rolls myself

[buoyant oracle]

That’s a good one though. What level is it

Oh nm. That’s craftable all day long

[craggy trench]

Background yea

[amber ice]

@gray oriole Rule #12, thanks.

[gray oriole]

💀

[inland tusk]

Don't get me started on them clowns 🫠🫠

[limber cedar]

Oh yeah, I hate those DZ "street fights" lol

[gray oriole]

🐘 ?

[inland tusk]

?

[gray oriole]

our elephant :slavic:

[inland tusk]

What you on about?💀

[gray oriole]

your name

look up the our elephant slang but russian meaning

[tawdry pier]

close enough

[heady ivy]

Wow

[tawdry pier]

ovg aint doing so good from what i hear

[gray oriole]

real good man

[tawdry pier]

not my clip found it in a server

[ripe root]

that healer is perfect, slack off at all time, like playing pve

[calm plinth]

lmao

[inland tusk]

I am not Russian,nor this is Russian language 😂🤣

[gray oriole]

Missed the whole point 😄

[inland tusk]

No idea

[craggy trench]

HF with stacks goes nuts

[craggy trench]

@wet badger whats the best AR now besides bighorn?

[wet badger]

The Bighorn

[craggy trench]

.....

[craggy trench]

this setup?

[wet badger]

good build, but there will never arise a situation where you will shoot your other ar

[craggy trench]

yea ive never really switched

[wet badger]

carry the lefty or something

[simple wasp]

yo bro

started running this and got mh 93 with a couple other people

damage and survivability is insane

also anyone not using hazard is a free kill

[unkempt sorrel]

I think that's a solid build, keep in mind though if you get lucky enough to get double armor regen emperor's guard kneepads, you should use those, and get the gila guard backpack with ad rush so you dont lose out on the 3pc bonus

[craggy trench]

i have the blueprint

[unkempt sorrel]

very nice, if you ever feel like challenging the RNG gods, you could try for your shot at those

[craggy trench]

id rather run matador over more regen

[unkempt sorrel]

fair enough, that 5% weapon dmg goes a long way

[simple wasp]

tbf 20k regen more isnt gonna save u from dps or burst builds

[neat musk]

no efficient

poop

[craggy trench]

i dont think it would be 20k more regen

[simple wasp]

i have it i dont like it

[craggy trench]

probably less

[neat musk]

🤨

you dont like spamming a slightly worse unbreakable

and firewall kits

[simple wasp]

i prefere having 3m armour

without making myself vulnerable

[neat musk]

you have 1.9

[simple wasp]

yeah 50% from ub

[neat musk]

eff is 25% every 4 seconds

[craggy trench]

matador on 6 blue is an extra 162k armor

[simple wasp]

i know its every 4 seconds but u have to pop the medkit

[craggy trench]

hes saying to insta kit

[simple wasp]

if you are fighting a player using effecient and they use ub ur losing

[tight pewter]

I need PVP clan for PC anyone need one

[neat musk]

for eff you lose 100k armour. pick up 5% wd (you dont use second golan) and perfect efficient

[simple wasp]

but you have to pop the med kit

[neat musk]

you time insta kits to always be above 25%

[neat musk]

double tap your med kit key homie

instant 25% armour

[simple wasp]

think your missing the point

[craggy trench]

efficient player should beat UB

[simple wasp]

yeah should

but most of the time it doesnt

[craggy trench]

i think a lot of the time people think "oh he has efficient too" so they dont play around your unbreakable popping

[tight pewter]

its sometimes loses because of the facetank difference

[simple wasp]

exactly my point

[craggy trench]

but yea good players wont do that

[simple wasp]

ub just acts as another 1 mil armour

[tight pewter]

firewall kit with efficient should always win if played right

[simple wasp]

thats why ub is so good people think because im regen i have efficient facetank me and lose

[neat musk]

your not popping anything, you spamming med kits throughout the fight so your never dropping to the point of 0 armour (when UB would pop). UB pops once for 50%. then your done. in the span of a face trade you could pop an insta kit 2-4 times

[simple wasp]

just a mind game

[neat musk]

which would be 50%-100% armour. its more timing based to. Eff is just better 99% of the time

[craggy trench]

just harder to use well

[neat musk]

and thats just face trades. having a shit ton med kits is amazing for DZ

you can also swap to surv and help your teammates

[simple wasp]

gonna be real all i had to do to get to 93mh was foam headshot dead and strafe

anyone using medkits i just strafed until it ranout and facetanked

won every time

if i wasnt using ub i wouldnt have got to the mh i did

[neat musk]

never know, not saying UB is bad

[simple wasp]

just think efficient for me personally is to situational

[opal hound]

less situational with instant kits

[neat musk]

yea if people are blindly pushing with a med kit and trying to face trade after it runs out their not doing anything right lol. the idea is to use insta kits, not full kits, thats just a added bonus

[neat musk]

I dont get the situational part. UB is far more situational

[simple wasp]

ub is just an extra 1mil armour every minute

[neat musk]

and Eff is an extra 500k armour every 4 seconds.

whenever you want

[simple wasp]

for a certain time period and u have to physically pop it to use

[neat musk]

its not?

[simple wasp]

by the time someone tried to medkit ive already got max hs stacks on my bh and the regen is irrelevant

[neat musk]

do you not know what insta kit is?

[simple wasp]

yeah double tap and it insta does it

but u still have the animation

[neat musk]

theres no animation

its instant

[craggy trench]

this is true

[simple wasp]

so your telling me u can insta medkit while ads shooting ur gun

[neat musk]

no you have to stop shooting or strafe

[simple wasp]

exactly

ur dead by then

ive already headshot u 10 times

[neat musk]

?

the point of Eff is to time the kits

so your not trying to kit seconds before dying

the point is to stay at high armour all the time

[simple wasp]

ik it is pal xD

but u physically have to stop shooting and strafe and lose all ur hs stack

s

[neat musk]

shoot your mag while reloading use the kit, no ones going mag for mag in a 1v1

[simple wasp]

for my regen build its no good for me

personally

[neat musk]

your not losing HS stacks, insta kit takes less then a second

[simple wasp]

alr ill try what u said

[neat musk]

my point is that you think its not good cuz you have no idea how to use

[simple wasp]

ik how to use it

just think its ass compared to walking round with 3 mil armour

and people thinking im using efficient and facetanking

then lose

[neat musk]

cuz you dont know how to use it lol. you play around the talent. thats the point lol. your walking around with the potential to face tank well over 3 mill armour as long as you play it right. very small cooldowns too

UB works for a 1v1 then you have to run for a minute

[simple wasp]

ub is just a last resort for me

people are foamed and dead by half my armour bar

[neat musk]

yea now imagine not having to wait for regen, insta kit and your back fighting within 2 seconds

[simple wasp]

ive literally used a build with it

i strafe to get my armour bacj

back

dont even need meds

[neat musk]

you wouldnt have to, you can start shooting right away. keep bh stacks, keep shooting people

[simple wasp]

i get your point but u still physically have to un ads and strafe

which my armour regen would of done anyway

[neat musk]

for half a second

your not regening 500k armour in half a second

[simple wasp]

i have 100k amour regen

it takes like 3-4 seconds

[neat musk]

that takes 5 seconds

[simple wasp]

im at 1.9mil

[neat musk]

to do what insta kit does in .5s

[simple wasp]

yeah and then risk losing a kit

works both ways

[neat musk]

you do risk losing a kit but a lost kit with eff doesnt mean a whole ton

[simple wasp]

suppose but depends how many u have left

i was walking around with 3-4 after 90 kills in manhunt

without the chestpiece

[neat musk]

well yea, if youve been face tanking in the same area for while youll be low, but at that point youve already gotten your value out of eff

[simple wasp]

its the same for both

i just like the fact i can remain ads and shoot

with ub

and its automatic

[neat musk]

yea but the point is if your waiting for UB to pop your at 50% armour with no life line left. eff yes you have to unads but you still have a life line for a long time

[simple wasp]

suppose so

just think long term for the high mh we were at efficient wouldnt have lasted

where as ub must have saved me like 7-8 times

solo efficient is 100% better

[neat musk]

face tanking through UB is a 1 fight win and now your running. Eff you could fight off several people depending on how they play it.

[simple wasp]

true but thats also down to other factors like positioning

if your smart u make them take ones

[neat musk]

yes but UB is take a one then run till your regened or can full kit. eff is take one wait a couple seconds then go again

less downtime between fights

[simple wasp]

until u run out of med kits

ub lasts forever

its a permanent life saver every minute

solo short term yeah efficient dominates

but for me long term with a squad ub is unmatched

[neat musk]

yes UB lasts forever but your also waiting on a long timer. Id rather not wait unless I have to. If you run out of kits id swap to UB ofc

you will run out of kits

but that takes quite a long time

[simple wasp]

thats why for me its situational lol should of explained

[neat musk]

and you can get kits back from dead people

[simple wasp]

true

ill try it again

see how it runs

but ive never had so much fun using a build like this

[neat musk]

in a dire situation with no choice sure, UB is good. but if you have kits eff

[simple wasp]

agreed

i try not to use them tbf

let my regen and ub do the work

[neat musk]

when ive played eff i find i miss time insta kits way more often then I run out of kits

[simple wasp]

interesting

[neat musk]

and miss timing is just me being bad and tunnel visioning

[simple wasp]

i run pulse so i dont tunnel vision xD

i do that way to much

so funny too when people think u have wall hacks

[neat musk]

my brain just tunnel visions anyways

[simple wasp]

when its just a pulse

[neat musk]

I see a person low and I forget I have to also not be low to win

[simple wasp]

whats ur current main build for pvp?

like dz not conflict

[neat musk]

its oudated rn, but same build as you with eff. I need to optimize catharsis

[simple wasp]

i need expertise badly

got to 10 then couldnt be asked

[neat musk]

Im at like 1

I dont bother with expertise

Dont have the time to farm

[simple wasp]

27% dmg buff is vital

[neat musk]

i survive without it

[simple wasp]

especially with the pesti meta

me too for now

id love to see this build with max expertise

[neat musk]

I have no choice. I cant play the game for more then 3 hours a day and I cba to do PVE seriously

[simple wasp]

pve i just find brain numbing

i come from R6 so im an all out pvp player

unless there is gear i need

[neat musk]

I played R6 for a long time

even played comp

hate that game

[simple wasp]

just dead atm

[craggy trench]

im 25 expertise but havent upgraded bighorn yet

[neat musk]

ofc you are nerd

higher lv and expertise then me and you started on pc like a year ao

[neat musk]

i ahvent played in a long time

dont plan on changing that

[simple wasp]

anyone wanna run some dz

[craggy trench]

Been consistently on pc for like 6 months

[neat musk]

you sound like even more of a degen now

i was being nice

[craggy trench]

🤷‍♂️

And I got kappa in tarkov

[neat musk]

ofc you did

im like lv 36

but I only play arena

[tight pewter]

i need pvp clan

[craggy trench]

Arena the way to go tbh

[craggy trench]

Gl

[neat musk]

much more enjoyale

[tight pewter]

why Gl?\

[neat musk]

good luck

[tight pewter]

im professional i count bullets and count adrenaline rush procs and side step

[simple wasp]

same

[tight pewter]

yea but i got PPcronus

[simple wasp]

i got r6 aimbot dw

[tight pewter]

mmm fair

west coast servers are dead

im uninstalling

[craggy trench]

https://youtu.be/sfc3NFwDBoI?si=9fvMortCzCJamX9Q

great video on why regen meta sucks

[tacit pond]

ummm no

50 more buffs to the bighorn upcoming!

[boreal jewel]

I’ll blame you guys for getting hb nerfed next season when it happens

😎

[tacit pond]

they dont care lets be real

[wet badger]

u can tap the kit on reload with no interruption, efficient is better than ub unless u want to push dps players holding angles

[wet badger]

then u swap your chest or kill NPC

[wet badger]

not forever, its 1 use then 60 seconds of nothing

[wet badger]

he could use intimidate and hit head for 350k

[simple wasp]

its permanent rather than efficient which required medkits

its already explained scroll up

[wet badger]

oh i read

what happens when the spotter player or umbra player procs ur ub when u peek for 0.3s? do u sit and hide for a minute or use 1/4 medkits for a risky push?

lets not forget about the regen bug, if u get bursted UB doesnt even work

[craggy trench]

True

[calm plinth]

this guy is so bad

jesus

why did he put motion blur on stream highlights anyways looks so bad

[craggy trench]

i just happened across that video

[calm plinth]

i think he would’ve had a chance if he hit a single shot

but idk

[craggy trench]

he wasnt landing shit

his teammate seems really good....

[calm plinth]

how are you finding servers 😭

[wet badger]

he's a little washed having only just come back, also he's not a sweaty player as some of the other content creators

[simple wasp]

we switched 6 times

[calm plinth]

what were your teammates names?

[simple wasp]

and to be honest i got invited by a random duo after 2v1'ing them

dualsense.edge

[wet badger]

chinese

[simple wasp]

and something else

cant remember

[calm plinth]

his movement, aim, and the way he holds angles are really bad

[craggy trench]

we not even talking about the m16 at the beginning?

[amber ice]

Okay I'm going to give before this a pass because there's too much to go through, but just a reminder that Rule #12 covers youtubers as well, not just random players.
Keep it civil from now on.

[inland tusk]

Guys guys i need a PvP expert

Which build is better for dz

OR

[craggy trench]

Both of those suck

[dire ferry]

bottom one better

but id swap hb knees for brazos knees, or walker knees with contarctors

[inland tusk]

Why? Its a hybrid t3,whats bad about it?

[inland tusk]

🤔🤔 maybe but i lose 5% wep dmg and gain only 3% dta more

[dire ferry]

yeah, 3% dta is usually better than 5% weapon damage

[inland tusk]

And i lose 1 attribute

[dire ferry]

by using brazos knees?

[inland tusk]

By using contractors

[dire ferry]

i mean 15% handling

hb knees onlyt have 1 roll anyway, contractors youre trading the ar damage for 8% dta + 15% handling

[inland tusk]

And i lose 1 attribute

Either 6% chc less or 12% chd less

[dire ferry]

contractors and hb knees have same amount of attributes

[inland tusk]

When i swap form walker gloves to contractors i lose 1 attribute i mean

[dire ferry]

yes, and i said replace the heartbreaker knees with walker if youre using contarctors

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IzC0CZQZg2AZQKYly0C4CsnWjPqNXSIpdATlhkkigA5dTHF0oA2K+Zp09AFg58E1ZsB7d+MGAjDi5LcFEoJyDYNjyYA7Jo7qGveT3RGJmE90YWjQA

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IzC0CZQZg2AZQKYly0C4CsnWjPqNXSIpdATlhkkigA5dTHF0AWfV6eZp0tgNlCsE1ZsF490UQbTw95fcFEoJyDYNjyYA7FsEaGfCcfTGFWUwtSWzcIA

forgot dtoc on links oops

idk if the website accounts for capacitor damage from yellow cores so in game might be different

[inland tusk]

I prefer raw dmg tbh

I think i have enough dta 🤔

[dire ferry]

suit yourself

i think in game with base damage from yellow cores contractors do pull ahead but it's not by loads, if u like it how it is you can save yourself the trouble of grinding out the other pieces

[inland tusk]

No idea i am new to PvP,i only have 5.2k h in div2 💀 /s

[dire ferry]

i mean youre the one in here asking if a build off yt or yours is better, run the numbers yourself

[inland tusk]

I am lazy,i want ppl to do the job for me 😉

[dire ferry]

so you can not take their advice, like you just did?

[ancient acorn]

lol

[inland tusk]

Wdym

[craggy trench]

It doesn't

[dire ferry]

yeah figured that out, thought it applied from attributes but just not technician, turns out its none

with 22.5% damage rolled in place of armour cores contractors are just better

[dire ferry]

i told you how to improve your build, you disregarded what i said

[craggy trench]

You can add the dmg on there

Just total it up and put it on the expertise for the gun

[dire ferry]

yeah i did

as i said, i just put 1 and half red cores on instead of blues

[inland tusk]

I didn't disregard,i didn't understand what u mean for 20mins straight then u got offended

[dire ferry]

im not offended lol

[inland tusk]

Yes u are

[dire ferry]

?

[inland tusk]

This^^

[dire ferry]

yeah jsut tryna be funny, banter

other guy thought it was funny

[inland tusk]

Oh then my bad

I thought u serious

😂

Anyway bighorn on top it seems

[dire ferry]

i mean i was serious about the not taking acvice bit but doesnt really matter to me

yeah it is, cant stand it

im still using EB but not as good as before the update imo

[inland tusk]

They nerfed the dmg but give it faster RPM? I don't get it

[ancient acorn]

didn't think they changed rpm, not this season anyways

just better mods

[dire ferry]

yeah plus buffed attachments

nah they gave it 850 dps

but problem with that is it has changed the recoil pattern quite considerably, muscle memory from old EB doesnt work anymore

[ancient acorn]

wasn't that from resolve?

[dire ferry]

not sure, thought it came with shades of red

[ancient acorn]

nah looks like it was this patch

mb

[dire ferry]

not sure if it's now is better or worse objectively, but damage per magazine is obviously down a bit, and having to relearn the recoil is annoying

[ancient acorn]

well it's a 6.25% increase in firerate, plus the mods when relevant, and a 9.2% decrease in base damage so it may depend on the build. it's definitely worse off for headshot builds.

[craggy trench]

The extra crit is ok, I've never ran EB on crit build though

I just realized it's saved on my crit build lol

[ancient acorn]

lmao

[inland tusk]

Now that bighorn is crazy strong for no reason,eb is a former shell of its glory,also on console eb crit was normal

Especially on striker

[craggy trench]

Yea I played PS before PC

Didn't see that too much

When I played no one ran headshot though

[inland tusk]

Because no wep was that op like now,ppl now legit get away with 40-50% hsd on their builds, everything else is hzp or armor regen and they run bighorn claiming to be always a HS player

[craggy trench]

Reg has always been that good, most console players just don't play it well

[inland tusk]

Limited movement limited fps thats obvious

I do wonder how is mnk now on 60 fps 🤔

[craggy trench]

Yea the low fps does not help one shot builds lol

[craggy trench]

On pc or ps lol

[inland tusk]

Ps obviously,if u have pc with 60 fps on div2,its time to upg 😂

[craggy trench]

Its probably not much better since it has so much latency with the emulator anyway

[limber cedar]

Just like before oreo when we had lady death.

[buoyant oracle]

Lady death needs a bigger mag 😎

[inland tusk]

Nah LD is fine, ppl just need to play it properly

[golden ermine]

They should give the LD foam bullets

[calm plinth]

eb has been bad for like a year or 2 now

[neat musk]

explode

[carmine nacelle]

How do u strafe on pc

Im tired of the people who think they are playing matrix with catharsis 4% regen firewall everyday carrier perma dancing

[carmine nacelle]

And why do we always see bighorn in this kind of build and not crit

[neat musk]

cuz bh with crit sucks

with headshot its strong

[neat musk]

a d key

[amber ice]

A also works.

[ripe root]

Works but you are just going round in circle

[amber ice]

Ah see, that's when you go crazy then press D again.

sometimes, you can even press control.

[amber ice]

@tacit pond Drop the attitude.

[tacit pond]

only jokes wtf

[inland tusk]

Wrong,eb was decent till last patch

[inland tusk]

Explain,wdym contractors are better?

[golden ermine]

Rule 11 🤓

[calm plinth]

WA at same time > D

while running

small circular motions with mouse matching the directions your going

it’s pretty flexible you can press S for more of a ‘cut’ or do whatever to mix up timing and speed

[buoyant oracle]

The dark zone tango!

[gray oriole]

I just use my mouse side to side quickly without the unnecessary button pressing

[calm plinth]

it’s kind of a bad clip to show it off but the only one i got

bc i’m picking up speed from aiming in

but towards the end you can see how it looks when i pick up speed

[gray oriole]

It's way easier to just use my mouse for me, the AD movement makes me slow down, but anyways the true chads play non-rogue and run straight-forward 👍

[calm plinth]

what is chad about being non-rogue 🤔

[calm plinth]

also you don’t lose speed if done correctly

[gray oriole]

Division 1 legendary agents video moment

I only turned rogue for the achievements so far

[wet badger]

That's how you die lol, totally pointless.

[gray oriole]

Well I don't sit my ass on pvp or darkzone 😂

[wet badger]

read channel name<

[gray oriole]

Yea get this nerd ass outta here

[cold heart]

from what I saw on that footage, couldn't you just aim for the side of the body that's in the center of the movement?

[gray oriole]

Everyone wants to be cool and hit headshots

[cold heart]

I...

Wow. That's stupid lmfao

if someone breaks out that trick its time to stop aiming for heads and just put the idiot down

not like headshots negate the plates

[gray oriole]

No the main reason is the build with the gun

That's why everyone try to aim for head

(mostly)

[wet badger]

Yes, but thats why u vary the strafe, you dont just go left right left right, sometimes u go a little more left, spin in a circle, push unto their camera, also in headshot/bighorn fights its almost useless to aim body, you deal 4x damage to the head

[cold heart]

Still, you won't get your headshots if they are doing that, you'd get more damage just slinging it into their chest

[cold heart]

yes but your gonna land 6x the hits if you aim center mass against that trick, so it balances out

[gray oriole]

Another reason to not use bighorn.

[wet badger]

no

[cold heart]

well from what I saw there, keep in mind i'm not trying to hide that I only played this like a year after release and then stopped and most of my experience is from div1, your not gonna get your headshots unless your sensitivity is godlike or your on PC with some insane fine motor skills

[wet badger]

yes

thats why bad players run crit

[cold heart]

so sure if you get the drop on someone great, go for the damage bonus but if they start effing dancing and their head is impossible to hit, the improved hit ratio from aiming center mass will balance out the lost damage

[wet badger]

and only crit

[wet badger]

in these fights in the clip you just dont bother mag dumping, u trigger tap when u think u will land headshots, misses and white numbers mixed in

[cold heart]

you do realize there is a reason real military forces don't aim for the head right? sure it kills the fastest but you actually have to hit it

[wet badger]

and in the military you dont get unbreakable

[cold heart]

and doing so reliably isn't very possible

again, I used to be a shitrat, the only time i'd go for headshots is in an ambush

otherwise its shield push into shotgun range crack the head with that once they bust the shield

[cold heart]

that... sounds like how you die. a firefight is about removing options first and getting shots on target second

them dancing removes your option to land easy headshots, so you go ahead and give it to their torso/legs before they get their gun back up, then go for a few headshots as they get it back up, or pop a skill to reposition

[wet badger]

on a crit build yes

not on bighorn

[cold heart]

you have 3 bloody guns, if one of them doesn't have crit I don't know what the hell your doing

also this seems like a good usecase for the chem launcher, am I wrong?

[wet badger]

thats not how it works, your stats come from the build mostly, only guns like The Bighorn or The Backfire have insane stats

[wet badger]

which chem? foam?

[cold heart]

i distinctly remember being able to get my pistols smacking pretty hard for pistols thru attachments and such using my gear for mostly HP or recovery, just an example I know pistols are usually sub par

and i'd say fire in this case

let em dance all they want in a pool of flames while i reposition

[wet badger]

fire chem is useless

all you'd do against the builds in the clip is give them more damage

[cold heart]

well i'll admit i'm not super familiar with that one I used hive more, doesn't fire scew over your mobility

[wet badger]

hive is also useless

[cold heart]

I used that mostly against AI's and would carry it to heal if I get pinned for a longer period.

Just because it isn't META doesn't mean its useless

[wet badger]

People are not AI

[cold heart]

But, I need to relearn the game and start trying all that shit out again

yeah but AIs are a sizeable threat in the DZ so one skill for players one for AI that can help against players seems smart.

[wet badger]

no

[cold heart]

you seem like one of those people who just goes "if it isn't META it might as well not exist"

[wet badger]

no

im just being blunt

[cold heart]

i'm saying thats how your sounding because your not explaining anything or offering an alternative.

[wet badger]

I have given you explanations

[cold heart]

hive is bonus damage unless its set to medical, so I don't see how its useless, that's not an explanation.

You didn't explain how fire-chem is useless either.

again, i've admitted i set the game down for awhile so I need some actual explanations as to why my old go-tos are garabge in the zone

[wet badger]

I did

[cold heart]

fire is damage so is hive.

[gray oriole]

this doesnt explains anything

jsut saying

[cold heart]

that's what i'm not getting

[wet badger]

You dont know what Catharsis does?

[cold heart]

fire and hive are both damage that always hit

dude

"i only played about a year after release and left the game alone"

[gray oriole]

how can you know who got catharsis and who doesnt

realistically

if you meet against the person first time in a fight

without meeting him before

how could u know

[cold heart]

if i knew what it was I would say how they are acting once the fight starts, that's what I did in the first game

[gray oriole]

the first to shoot other one wins

😂

the first to get full stack wins

[cold heart]

yes and no rarely you get time to re-position but your right TTK is very short.

[wet badger]

The Hive direct impact was nerfed a long time ago, the bleed isnt strong enough either and all u do is give a person a chance to use a medkit, if u spec skill tiers then you will die in 5 shots to someone with the build in the clip

[cold heart]

sure if they can hit me

[wet badger]

bruh

[cold heart]

again shitrat, i don't engage if I can avoid it

[wet badger]

most people with such a build will just foam you

[cold heart]

so they nerf hive to oblivion and then I can just get glued in place

[wet badger]

they have a big symbol above their head

[cold heart]

and let me guess jammer pulse still doesn't exist right?

[gray oriole]

it doesnt show when you dont shoot

[cold heart]

okay I guess I have to ask directly, will you please tell me what the hell that is

[wet badger]

Fire is damage but fire chem isnt high fire damage its damage that helps proc catharsis which gives the burning player extra damage and a chance to use a medkit, then they rush u with up to +45% damage that YOU gave them and u get foamed n killed in 5 shots, GG nice build

[cold heart]

see there we go, that's an actual explanation, thank you

that makes way more sense as to why I just need to stack bullet damage

so again, I have no way to disable minimap still in this one right?

[wet badger]

here are some damage numbers that i was hitting with a bighorn striker build

thats 2-3 shot kill on a skill build

[cold heart]

if i'm translating that correctly wouldn't that fold a shield in 2 hits...

[wet badger]

yes but your shield wont break

unless u mean big shield?

[cold heart]

I thought the shield always blew off your arm when defeated what i'm confused now

[golden ermine]

No

[wet badger]

that symbol is catharsis

[cold heart]

6x92 is more than 500k? I'm not trying to be a smartass i'm trying to glean what I can. so far i'm not seeing a reason with any build to not just sling center mass rounds against a dancer.

[wet badger]

if you have half shield then any semi competent player will just shoot ur head

[wet badger]

jammer pulse exists but for what purpose are u suggesting?

[cold heart]

evasion.

[wet badger]

how would that work?

it jams skills

or a player from using skills, nothing else

[cold heart]

exactly so i don't get foamed, just jam, hive in path, run before the fight even starts

[wet badger]

wont work

[golden ermine]

You give catharsis players more damage negating your damage advantage

[wet badger]

jam lasts too short a duration even with tiers + status rolls = 8-10s

[cold heart]

wow they really nerfed that this time around

[wet badger]

compared to when?

[cold heart]

Div1 the jammer was my crutch

hence why I wasn't surprised not to see it in the playtest or when I finally had the game, i'm surprised it's back tbh

[wet badger]

div 1 had a jammer? i thought it just had a sticky, div 2 also has a sticky and its way stronger than div 1

[cold heart]

Div1 had a jammer pulse and it wasn't in the public playtest or like 6-8 months after release either of Div2

[calm plinth]

why you lying

[cold heart]

I don't have it on xbox so I can't just go pull up my old build for reference

[calm plinth]

strafing is useless vs anyone with decent aim + crit build honestly

[cold heart]

I'm speaking from memory? Slim chance i'm messing up and remembering div2 gameplay from before but I distinctly remember being able to jam HUD as a sideeffect of one of the pulses

[wet badger]

there was a disruptor sticky, in div 2 there is the same thing but its way stronger

[cold heart]

👀

wiki time

[calm plinth]

emp sticky to counter striker

was pretty common

[wet badger]

are u thinking about the conceal pulse? thats a div 1 only option, in div 2 we got the decoy, a slightly different and imo better stealth option

[calm plinth]

conceal was op asf

[cold heart]

I could be, did that like take you off of enemy radar?

[wet badger]

i cant remember, probably, decoy replaces your radar directional position until it expires

[calm plinth]

yes it did

and removed your name

[wet badger]

in div 2 u can go decoy and pulse res and be way more stealthy than what the conceal gave you

[calm plinth]

i could misremember that part

[calm plinth]

decoy can be abused by things with stacks and conceal gave you a straight up damage buff

also they can destroy your decoy

[wet badger]

if u suck at placing it

sure

we all misplace our decoys here n there

[cold heart]

yeah this is what I remember seeing someone do then my life was changed from that day on

"where the everloving heck did he g- down, read the wiki for an hour and redid my skills after a short grind

[calm plinth]

it was honestly game breaking a healer could run conceal and give max chc while also not allowing anyone else on their team to be pulsed

[wet badger]

for general stealth and avoiding combat conceal was better but for actual combat div 2's offerings are superior

[cold heart]

hmm, so in this case i'd want to lean more towards misdirection than flat out evasion?

because usually when i'd see too big of a problem i'd screw off go around the block and try and find them again with the advantage of having the drop

[calm plinth]

curious tho what else do you want someone to do while reloading or closing distance?

even if you could easily hit my strafe because you’re a god gamer, would it still not be better than just standing still or running in one direction?

[cold heart]

not do those things without a flanking path? if you manage to run your magazine dry you probably forgot to reload after the last fight. if anything else use cover for the first volly and blindfire, let them be the aggressor and close the distance, reload just before they get to you and give it to their chin

Obviously sometimes your out of options but i'm just saying it's stupid to rely on dancing.

[calm plinth]

it’s not relying it’s just an option, i could say you rely on flanking and thinking every situation in the dz is binary

[cold heart]

the last line?

i just agreed not everything is binary lol.

your right, I personally rely on flanking, because I try to use realistic tactics but at the end of the day that makes me either extremely predictable or extremely confusing, no inbetween

[wet badger]

blind fire? bro u cant be serious

[calm plinth]

you recommended using cover and implied you only need one mag in a fight

aura ngl

[cold heart]

I implied letting yourself be in the open when you need to reload means you made at least one mistake?

[calm plinth]

use cover and you’re getting stickied and killed in pvp

or dying bc ur stuck in one place when you shoot

[wet badger]

@cold heart i think its time to get some experience before continuing to talk about stuff you really obviously know nothing about, we're happy to help you figure things out but you need some basics. This is an RPG shooter with all sorts of damage and armour buffs, its not Tarkov or Ghost Recon

[cold heart]

true. like you said not binary. not all cover requires your location to be completely fixed.

the idea in that case is they see you and start pushing, instead of pushing back you hop to cover spray off what you have left and reload, then manuver or push

I did say before i'm not trying to be a smartass and that I have very little experience in this game. I don't mind my tactics having holes poked in them I don't see why you guys do.

im suggesting something that might work, being told it wont and dedicating that to memory.

and yeah, I'd like to get some experience but 90 gigs takes a god damn year

[wet badger]

You made some reasonable points, its just some of them are so detached from reality and concepts that u think are relevant just arent, if u had some playtime under the belt these would not have been mentioned

[calm plinth]

i’m crying

bros playing in the dark zone cinematic

https://youtu.be/cAUIRzgEkX8?si=OT1AWsu9FnQWHIcr

[cold heart]

Fair enough. I'm not familiar with the newer nerfs or how 2/3rds of the stats affect things, but tbh by time you realise what build someone has your probably already dead if your tactic wasn't sound to begin with

forgive me for trying to be realistic in a tom clancy game, and like the only game I'd seen until the new COD's that had realistic-ish plate mechanics

but yeah, clearly some realistic things are just gonna get you to eat a fancy piece of tech or accidentally trigger someones buff, but even if I had a year in the game I wouldn't know how most of those things work and would just be asking "how the heck did xyz get me bodied"

[calm plinth]

i mean cover has a purpose for sure usually long distance situations like sniping

even then tho usually not being in cover is better

[tawdry pier]

Popshot be like

[calm plinth]

ye

or trying to get a medkit in

mid fight

[cold heart]

do you know how sad I am that i'm half way through this trailer and haven't seen one of the randoms attempt to betray the "main team" being followed

[cold heart]

This aged like fine milk 🤣

the entire trailer i'm just like "where's the betrayal you never pick up randoms or trust a team"

[ripe root]

Beta test player, blind fire lmg😏

[limber cedar]

The one rugged gauntlet enjoyer

[cold heart]

Alright, finally the 90 gigs is done, want to give me some basic advice on what I need to do differently from the first game in the DZ? if I remember correctly i'll unlock it within a few hours of play.

[calm plinth]

1. get shd 1000
2. get expertise 27
3. make a pvp build

lmk once you’re done shouldn’t take long

[cold heart]

Why do I need SHD 1K? is that the entry requirement? because speedrunning a matchmaking bracket is... death in most games

[craggy trench]

The lower dz brackets are kinda dead

Or it's people farming

[craggy trench]

Expertise 27 now btw

[slow tangle]

That and1K SHD levels is when your attributes are maxed out which helps a ton with builds

[inland tusk]

Console players run crit* 😂

[craggy trench]

Bad console players run crit

@tawdry pier tell him

[inland tusk]

Nah ppl didn't even touch hs till bh this patch

Now everyone is a hs main,has mained hs for 189years but they have 16 loadouts with firewall crit builds 😂

[wet badger]

so true, a bunch a frauds running around like they were always using hs, they tell me in server chat "we wont use reg crypt" like yeah sure let me guess u swapped out reg angle holding for the newest op weapon hhhhh

[inland tusk]

That's what bothers me,u can tell who is decent on console and who is not,no need to lie on YT comment section and be like "i mained hs before it was cool to main hs"

[slow tangle]

I am dogshit at pvp but being able to kill someone with a bighorn build feels hella rewarding, even though my build for is scuffed to hell and back

[craggy trench]

I've played against quite a few headshot mains on PS before this patch

Like I said bad console players run crit, and console tends to be mostly casual players so it makes sense you didn't see it much

[inland tusk]

If u say grande_ ima throw something heavy at you 🤣😂

[calm plinth]

@wet badger great video

[inland tusk]

Wait ,he uploaded

[craggy trench]

No

[inland tusk]

Grabs popcorn 🍿

[golden ermine]

Tbf , just make a pvp build and do conflict during 4x xp speeds up most of that process

[craggy trench]

5x coming up

[amber ice]

@meager crag Hey, you're looking for #lfg-xbox, GL Agent

[simple grove]

Deconstructing the chameleon as your banner is so ungodly 😭

[naive pollen]

@craggy trench good job! I followed your example!

[craggy trench]

Lmao

My discord nickname used to be "chameleon deconstructor"

[tacit pond]

nope dod said it was the new meta sorry man

[craggy trench]

we actually talked about that in his discord, you should go read through

[tacit pond]

honestly a good read

some good points where made

i’ll check the video out

[craggy trench]

@wet badger what do you run for bighorn haz? just the striker build?

[simple grove]

They're are so many builds on the chameleon, why deconstruct it? 😭

[neat musk]

cuz it sucks

[golden ermine]

Chameleon looks like it should be good on paper but it is horrid

[limber cedar]

Chameleon is like a strega that went wrong

[wet badger]

Yeah, I just don't even bother with high end regen Haz, I out DPS that build

[craggy trench]

whats your other 2 slots? catharsis and yaahl?

[wet badger]

Nah, efficient

[craggy trench]

over which piece?

[wet badger]

you have to keep catharsis

[amber ice]

Don't we all.

[golden ermine]

Think he means chest brand

[tacit pond]

perf efficient

[craggy trench]

I was trying to figure out if he was I'm using everyday carry and catharsis or Yaahl

[dire ferry]

accounting for damage from yellow cores with capacitor, contractors give higher damage plus 15% weapon handling compared to using heartbreaker on your build

[craggy trench]

We are testing this in a spreadsheet not the builder calc?

[inland tusk]

Ima test it this weekend on live targets

[inland tusk]

How does the 'Modifier' made in the TU22 update affect PVP in Darkzone? Are they the same as PVE or something?

[craggy trench]

They aren't in pvp

[inland tusk]

Thanks for the answer. You mean 'Modifier' doesn't affect for everything in Darkzone. Right?

Or it affects for only NPC and it doesn't affect for Player in Darkzone?

[craggy trench]

I believe it's not on at all

If it is, only npc

[carmine nacelle]

If you have to choose between contractor's and fox

And ur assault rifle already has dttoc

Contractors makes more sense right

[lavish basin]

Not really, the stat value on fox is higher and it's only very slightly diminished by the dtoc on your weapon

[carmine nacelle]

Both are 8%

Lets summon the all knowing @craggy trench

[tacit pond]

yes

contractors is just better if you have dttoc already come on guys

[carmine nacelle]

Thanks, I wanted to make sure because there's the possibility that even though both have the same name, weapon and gear can still be coded to be multiplicative to each other

[wet badger]

Technically yes but contractors doesn't work on shields so I'd take fox's instead.

[carmine nacelle]

Nobody uses shield anymore

Is suicide

[tacit pond]

some do

[craggy trench]

Fox works on skills so it just depends

But yes contractors are slightly better

By about .3% depending on build

[carmine nacelle]

When I see bullets coming out of an smg like a shotgun

Cheater for sure right

[ancient acorn]

Now that DTH applies in PvP, is the extra damage from contractors worth it vs uptime?

[craggy trench]

I'd say no tbh

[wet badger]

Big shields? Yes they do, half shields are usually only run by farmers and shotgun players

[tawdry pier]

is it true that shooting shotgun then pulling half shield would make cocking shotgun/shooting again faster?

i see that strat employed by many playyers

some may also use it because certain frames of pulling out shield and holstering it where its immune to damage

[wet badger]

People say this but I feel the opposite, then again it's probably a skill issue as I have probably the lowest amount of playtime in shotguns than any other class if u exclude the ACS-12, ur better off asking shotgun mains, they know best.

[wet badger]

This one however is certainly true, especially on shield break animation there are frames where the shield is breaking that prevent u from shooting the target, then they can get a lucky shot off and bang ur dead.

[golden ermine]

I feel like shields slow shotty shots down and causes it to straight up not fire alot too :/

[craggy trench]

Definitely hard to time properly

[tacit pond]

wait that’s so cool wtf

[icy dove]

Yes, you shoot a shotgun faster that way. Think of div1 pop shotting

You can also cancel the shotgun reload animation when you pull out the shield

[hollow mural]

does behind you work in pvp?

[tacit pond]

no

[hollow mural]

sadge

[limber cedar]

One thing I noticed, if you try to revive a player but you're bleeding, the reviving is delayed.

[silent sparrow]

Ya it’s cus ur taking damage so

[limber cedar]

While others damage over time marks like pestilence and fire don't do that

[silent sparrow]

They don’t ??

[limber cedar]

At least with pestilence and veil mask, that doesn't happen. And fire is too situational to revive someone while on fire.

[silent sparrow]

Depends cus every time in conflict I can barely revive people when I got a status affect

[limber cedar]

yeah but conflict also removes status effects after few seconds when you kill the applier, on DZ I saw someone bleeding and he tried to revive a down player, he was struggling to do so, is a cool detail regardless.

[calm plinth]

it’s starting to gain popularity again with regen hsd

[amber ice]

@timber vigil This channel is just for talking about PvP, to LFG for it, head on down to #lfg-playstation

[timber vigil]

Hey what would be a really good build for the lexington

[boreal jewel]

Any build

[undone gate]

Flatline vs sadist which one you preferer guys?

[boreal jewel]

Entirely depends on the build.

[undone gate]

Cuz im thinking in build tomorrow a smg/rifle with sadist and ridgway pride
Or around a onother one focused and brands with smg dmg and the ninja bike then put flatline istead of sadist

I found ppl saying flatline is adtivie damage and sadist is multiplicative..

[craggy trench]

They are both an amp

[golden ermine]

Sadist in that case

[wet badger]

Rifles are crap and have been since the 28th July 2020. Only the Ravenous is worth using.

[golden ermine]

He remembers exactly when they became trash

The memory of that fateful morning is burned into his mind

[inland tusk]

[undone gate]

And your opnion guys which vector variant is the best for conflict??

[craggy trench]

Tac vector

[midnight coral]

i cant find anyone in my dz im shd lvl 770 i dont know if there any way to server hop or anything like that been trying figure out why

[ancient acorn]

You can join up with someone in a different region. But some regions are dead

[buoyant oracle]

It’s the shd <1000 bracket

[craggy trench]

Also join someone over 1k shd

[midnight coral]

so i got to be 1k shd lvl to find some people

[buoyant oracle]

PVP regs I would appreciate a build critique please. I’ve been running this in Conflict recently and it seems to do pretty good. Would you change anything?

51%cc 122%cd in conflict w Elmos

[craggy trench]

I run yaahl as a flank build not to face trade

Your dmg is already lower running yaahl

[buoyant oracle]

yes I try to get to the side of the other team

[craggy trench]

Why not run 3/3 spilt then?

[buoyant oracle]

I was thinking one more red core yeah

[craggy trench]

I run mine with vigi and flatline AR

Coyotes mask

[buoyant oracle]

That sounds good I’ll try that setup tonight

[hollow mural]

@craggy trench worth making the build?

annoying that yaahl mats are hard to get

[wet badger]

Not liberty, and change fox for punch drunk

[craggy trench]

Probably just go for double crit DH knees no?

[wet badger]

20% HSD Is better than one Crit roll

[ripe root]

Of course , if you actually headshot, if he able to headshot then what is meaning of building crit, just go full hsd bro

[wet badger]

You don't have to full spec, value wise the punch drunk is worth it even if u don't land many headshots

[ripe root]

You gain 20 hsd, by losing 6 chc, in a crit build, that's what I mean

IN A CRIT BUILD

If his chc being full, then fine with some extra hsd, but obviously it doesn't

[calm plinth]

what about coyote instead?

[ripe root]

20dmg from 1piece DH are more valuable

[calm plinth]

you can get up to 25 with coyote

[wet badger]

If the case is to max the crit then u go coyote and u don't go pulse res, glass cannon is too risky these days & don't go 6 red because it's not necessary, then u use reg instead of liberty since liberty is hot trash now.

Or you still go full crit but u take the punch drunk anyway for more ranged shots angle holding, even on a crit build u sometimes won't crit and that HSD will help maintain better reds and crit headshots, 1 crit roll isn't much of a loss for 20 HS

[calm plinth]

pulse reg glass is definitely usable

can honestly ruin servers

[wet badger]

Why the user chose fox's over D&H I do not know but D&H would be better with coyote, drop the ceska, but not many have a yaahl bag

[calm plinth]

i’d say put on a nem and kb and pulse res is a very big problem for rogues

it’s a very annoying police build

[wet badger]

Kingbreaker is a stash weapon now

[calm plinth]

why’s that

[wet badger]

The KB was only good before because of it's native and talents damage, now it's native stats are mid at best, also its handling was always poor, if it doesn't stat check anymore then it's a useless gun

[craggy trench]

Lexington better than KB in every way

[limber cedar]

Kingbreaker is like that Grandpa that always says that things were way better in his time and Lexington is the grandchild saying: sure Grandpa, let's get you to bed.

[craggy trench]

Hot take: kingbreaker is the 1911 of the division 2 world

"Back in my day all we had was the kingbreaker to storm the beaches"

[calm plinth]

i haven’t used the lexington yet sounds insane

[craggy trench]

Expertise 25 on mine

Normal striker pve build hits over 1.6 m

[ripe root]

up to 25 chd with 150+ chd
And up to 20wd with ~140wd
Mathematics

[tacit pond]

imagine they gave f2k a long underbarrel

[calm plinth]

maybe in theory but for glass crit builds you probably don’t want to risk going for the head unless you’re face trading and desperate

[craggy trench]

You guys are saying the same thing

[ripe root]

🙃🙃🤣😂🫠

[pulsar junco]

I haven't played this game for a long time, have they got rid of expertise in PvP?

[lavish basin]

Only in conflict

[echo canopy]

Can people stop relying on skill builds in conflict I've had multiple times where I downed someone but my team mate can finish them because there to distracted hiding in the back with a skill build

Can't

[ripe root]

Try to learn how to counter and deal with skill build

Otherwise, csgo and cod are better

[echo canopy]

The issue isn't fighting them it's when people don't change there build when it's not working

It's team mates who don't understand when it's not working for them

O also modifiers are working in conflict just played with a guy who had them on in a match could see the range Metter thing

[ripe root]

Then the problem is people, but not build

[echo canopy]

True

People are just scared to die

I say just risk it

[ripe root]

Personally, I just quit
I change my teammates but not they changing build

[visual bluff]

salute, would fenris or grupo gloves with a HS and CHD roll better in this case than contractors ? it's for conflict exclusively.

can't test it right now. don't have the pieces.

other recommendations/changes appreciated. ignore the pestilence.

[buoyant oracle]

Nice backpack 😎

I’m running something similar. I would go with a Fenris piece but I’m not an expert on the math

[carmine nacelle]

Fenris

Tested already

[visual bluff]

okay, thanks. was able to test it with a clan mate under same circumstances. contractors still win.

[carmine nacelle]

Yes, I thought you wanted to replace it tho

But fenris better than grupo

[buoyant oracle]

Contractors better than Fox’s with that setup?

[carmine nacelle]

Contractors always better than fox

[visual bluff]

contractors should be better, because its damage to armor, works when people are behind cover.

[carmine nacelle]

No

Its because you have dttoc in your gun already

[buoyant oracle]

Would it be dumb to use 2x W&H instead of Contractor’s if I’m already running Matador or a vigilance bag? 5% DTA vs 8% on Contractor’s but gain an attribute slot for say another crit roll

[tacit pond]

no

[craggy trench]

It's a decent option but there is better combos

[azure niche]

modefier DZ too ?

[wet badger]

That's a skill issue, skills are some of the best tools to finish downed players, if they can't manage that then they just suck. Conflict is a poorly made mode anyway.

[obsidian maple]

Yes a heads up conflict is broken as current modifiers can be use in conflict.... it needs a status fix...

[tawdry pier]

It's still funny to me how some conflict clans describe conflict as "the real pvp" in the division

[hollow mural]

is having 99.1% pulse res better than 100%?

do you still get the pulse notification if you are at 100?

[lavish basin]

You don't get the notification if you're at 100%, and they don't get the 'threat detected' notification

[hollow mural]

ah

why is a tie a loss in skirmish?

they had 4, we had 4

they won???

[ripe root]

If life is tie, then score

Score earn from different way, including kills, boost/supply, etc.

[wet badger]

Even a win is a loss in skirmish because I didn't have fun

[blazing steeple]

modifiers still working on conflict after the latest ubdate?

[limber cedar]

Today I saw the usual on DZ south: Manhunt, stairs, 4 guys, regen. Since I was bored, I had the brilliant idea of putting a full skill damage build (T6), put a fire turret with a hive on the door, went rogue and watched the SHDs dying from a safe distance. Hearing a guy rage screaming about me, was the least boring thing I had all week

[craggy trench]

@wet badger would you rather run pestilence with umbra or HE with lengmo?

[inland tusk]

Fire turret sux unless its on that gearset

[limber cedar]

Yeah, I tested it out, but you lose a lot of skill damage just to make it spin.

[inland tusk]

But the range 💀

Anyways i don't play t6 skills so Dunno

[bleak gulch]

Guys whats the best dps build out there for pvp?

[wet badger]

That's not how the game works, every build has its counter.

[bleak gulch]

Whats meta

[wet badger]

Lots of things are, there are a bunch of effective DPS builds that serve different situations.

This ain't CoD, u don't just slap a gun on your build and go crazy with your tiktok meta attachments.

[obsidian maple]

Yes modifiers still.in conflict

[blazing steeple]

thx

[golden ermine]

Look up kamikazevondoom , he's a goat and posts meta builds

[boreal jewel]

holy copium.

[buoyant oracle]

X if ya nasty

[tawdry pier]

"HANK! YOU FORGOT TO THE CROP THE GOOGLE LENS HANK!"

[tacit pond]

cropped the useless stuff out guys no worries

[golden ermine]

Cringe

[tacit pond]

wtf...

[golden ermine]

😶‍🌫️

[tacit pond]

be nice 😟

[golden ermine]

🥺

[tacit pond]

be a good guy :DD

[calm plinth]

depends, generally capacitor umbra, regen bh, and any crit build with lexington

ouro or shotgun for close range

[visual bluff]

sounds like you joined conflict straight after meeting kelso in the WONY dlc with your given purple gear 2 hours into the game, and expecting to go full cod or cs mode, and be the king of the hill.

game is cheese, game has cheaters. like every other pvp game since years. but you can play around cheese and cheats. just not with 2 hours in-game and purple gear.

[wet badger]

This is unfortunately how you have to look at things, it's bleak, but it's the truth.

[haughty dirge]

I wish there was anti-hs build to counter all the lame bighorn builds

[golden ermine]

I

Anti hs build?

[neat musk]

its called movement

and being good

you cannot counter shooting builds lol

[golden ermine]

Ngl, that was a wild statement

[haughty dirge]

@neat musk no movement helps vs cheaters with aimlock

[neat musk]

ok so cheaters not bh builds lol

[golden ermine]

You are console...

[haughty dirge]

@golden ermine yeah a build that lowers hs dmg for example

[neat musk]

lol

I want a build that reduces peoples crit dmg

i want a build that reduces any bullet dmg

[golden ermine]

Regulus kinda tbh

[neat musk]

use eagle bearer

[haughty dirge]

@neat musk more than half of bighorn builds are cheating tho. So it goes hand in hand.

@neat musk doesnt drop 😞

[neat musk]

They are not

[haughty dirge]

@golden ermine doesnt drop 😞

[neat musk]

youll get it

just keep running dh

and people arent cheating that much on console

pc I could understand

console not so much

[haughty dirge]

Cronus for example

I cant even begin to think how the game is on pc lol. Must be unbearable

[neat musk]

ik it still exists

but the amount of people using that is likely very low

[haughty dirge]

Isnt that hazard protection build?

[neat musk]

nah

haz pro is just fire and bleed

etc

[haughty dirge]

I was told that haz lowers any dmg, even shot from weapon

[golden ermine]

U were told wrong

[neat musk]

^

[haughty dirge]

Ok

[neat musk]

with ongoing directive ig thats true

but nothing else

[haughty dirge]

So what are ppl using that it feels u do no dmg to them?

Surely something lowers that dmg

[neat musk]

eagle lowers dmg with tenacity, aegis (the set barely works I highly doubt anyone is using that)

theres not many sets that outright reduce dmg

[haughty dirge]

Ok

I gotta double check the haz prot build then 😀

[neat musk]

haz pro is still useful

just not against bullets

[haughty dirge]

And how do ppl do that breakdance movement?

The one that looks like you start/stop sprinting movement but repeat it 10 times in couple seconds

I have no idea how its possible on controller

[neat musk]

I will turn this question over to @tawdry pier your a console shitter

@craggy trench you too

he was converted from a console shitter

[haughty dirge]

Oh so playing on console makes you a shitter, lol. Good to know. I guess that follows the rules of this server 🤔 👍

@neat musk what combination for that movement is on pc?

[craggy trench]

bind your sprint to L1

the stutter step doesnt matter its all for show

i have a tutorial from a stream i did awhile ago ill find it later

[golden ermine]

Regen, defend drone

[neat musk]

I am racist towards console players. its part of being a pc player

[haughty dirge]

You do you, Odder.. i dont hate ppl because of what they play on. I have other reasons 😀

[golden ermine]

Nah, just say all pc players cheat, fire back

[neat musk]

gotta have fun somtimes

[tawdry pier]

i have to deal with another kind of shitters myself have some pity

[tacit pond]

wait how do you do the quick teabag

[tawdry pier]

you have to have hold to run and spam it while trying to do a cut strafe

[torn wadi]

anyone tryna run the DZ? add me

im on pc. this my build

[tacit pond]

gotcha

[craggy trench]

It's a party trick at best

[tacit pond]

yea i like party tricks though

[craggy trench]

It only works in combat btw, so don't look dumb trying to show friends and it doesn't work lol

[tacit pond]

yea ik

there’s a way to do it with just spamming sprint but it’s slow

[wet badger]

Obvs troll is obvs

[floral hearth]

I use Shotgun build + Defender drone
Bonus: Overlord

[naive pollen]

Angry dutchmen

[simple wasp]

cant call it lame when you need to hit headshots - probably the highest skill gap build you can go for

(talking to poly)

[limber cedar]

You can always if you throw the frag, EMP or cluster grenade, that always put you in combat on DZ for some reason.

[calm plinth]

do you know how to cut strafe? in your videos i don’t think i’ve seen you do it (not trying to be mean i love the videos 😭)

[tawdry pier]

Yeah i was just being lazy lol and against lag movement doesnt matter anyway

I'd cut strafe on more tankier setups though not the dps one. I'd rather put bullets down range more than dodging

[calm plinth]

honestly they look way mroe manageable on div 2 vs 1

on 1 they just use nomad and won’t leave cp without it

[hollow mural]

worth making?

[meager swift]

@hollow mural Why are you running a half shield

[hollow mural]

not me dude in dz

[tawdry pier]

Shield popping most probably

Running a shotgun

[tacit pond]

omg it’s ammo dump

real ones use that

[tacit pond]

it’s a little less tanky than your usual shotgun setup so if you can deal with that you’ll do pretty well with something like this

[calm plinth]

this is what i run, might be outdated with picaro nerf tho

[wet badger]

Shotgun.. come on, you know this