td2-build-advice

[sly gulch]

thanks

[onyx sage]

when dr home released it didn't, but it was fixed

[sly gulch]

Yeah, they've changed it so much since then, wasn't it only working on HS kill for a bit?

[tulip charm]

iirc you needed to tag with a headshot and then kill to drop the thing to heal

now it procs with headshot

[red island]

im pretty sure dr home doesnt need headshot to get the heal

[magic pilot]

Yes that's what they said, it USED to

[red island]

no, they saying you need headshot tag + headshot kill

when you dont need any of thoses

any bodyshot will tag, and team killing them will proc

[magic pilot]

"Doctor Home
Shooting an enemy with this weapon will apply a mark for 5 seconds"

[red island]

yes

[autumn yacht]

the umbra ss is outdated, i’d replace ceska with walker or ghila

other than reg these are prob the most run and gun and face tank a build can get

[magic pilot]

The emperors on build 1 not doing shit, swap it for Fox

[autumn yacht]

regen

[magic pilot]

I'm aware

2% regen is maybe 20k/s

[autumn yacht]

i mean you can sub out pieces if you want not a big deal

[red island]

armor regen is bad in this game

[autumn yacht]

i run fox sometimes

[red island]

like really bad

[autumn yacht]

for some pvp types it’s good like hsd and reg

[red island]

the most armor regen you can get is so low its not even noticable

[wise swallow]

regen isnt bad. its just bad in very small amounts or certain contexts

[magic pilot]

Full regen in PvP is super strong

I just don't see the point in going for a very small amount of regen

[red island]

i mean passive regen

[magic pilot]

% regen? Or rolls?

[red island]

not regen with interactions

% armor regen

[magic pilot]

% regen is the strongest lol

[red island]

how ?

the numbers are so low

[magic pilot]

Because it scales with your armor, attributes don't

You can get 5% regen easily. 70k/s

[red island]

i got it wrong

[red island]

i meant flat armor regen

[magic pilot]

My 2 main builds for PvP recent

[magic pilot]

Yea I don't use armor regen rolls, terrible

[onyx sage]

also one of the rare use cases where armor expertise actually helps

[red island]

yeah thats what i mean

[autumn yacht]

i should add the regen build i posted has pulse res and haz

not going for straight damage

[magic pilot]

I have hazpro rolled on the regen build

[magic pilot]

2nd build is my straight dps, first is full regen and some haz

[autumn yacht]

how much haz

[wise swallow]

30 at most

on the second one

70 on first

[autumn yacht]

i think the max pulse res is very valuable especially solo

there’s guaranteed to be at least 1 guy on 300 ping with 4 red perfect spotter

[red island]

imagine if hazpro gave pulse res xd

[autumn yacht]

if you don’t need pulse res it changes the build quite a bit

[wise swallow]

Kinda depends on whos in the server, but pulse res is worth having

[magic pilot]

The second build actually deals with HB players better than the first

Haven't ran into much spotter/flatline lately. But I've mostly been in dz fighting players in the other division discord

[red island]

is there a max res on some status effect ?

like if you get 100% is it immunity or does the game says you cant have that much and tone you back to like 90%

[autumn yacht]

around 98% is the most you need

iirc

[red island]

98% gives you immunity or do you still take 2% status effect ?

[wise swallow]

your immune to a couple of the status effects at 98%

[autumn yacht]

i usually server fight solo/duo and i still face it a lot

[autumn yacht]

i think the higheat status effect is completely immune at 98% or around there

[red island]

thx

[autumn yacht]

they have a chart on the build doc if you go to the tank build

[red island]

i dont see it

[autumn yacht]

it’s one of the last builds listed

[red island]

ok i found it

Poison - 90.6%

Ensnare - 92.9%

Bleed - 93%

Blind/Deaf - 90.1%

Burn - 88% ~93% (look edit below)

Disorient - 92.9%

Disrupt - 95%

Shock - 84%

doesnt say for pulse tho

[autumn yacht]

oh pulse is 100%

but it’s a separate stat

[red island]

so only way to get 100% pulse res is system corruption

[wise swallow]

pulse and explosions are both not status effects

[red island]

yeah but there is still resistance for thoses

[autumn yacht]

3pc yaahl is the easiest

with a 10% mod

[red island]

oh right, forgot about this one

[autumn yacht]

or my 5 10% pulse res mods hb build (totally viable)

[red island]

if i go dz, especially for solo pvp i will def need pulse res

[autumn yacht]

probably not tbh

i wouldn’t worry about that until you get more experience and have way more builds

[red island]

yeah ofc

[autumn yacht]

imo perfect spotter and umbra are the first 2 builds you should make

[autumn yacht]

oops and striker ouro

[red island]

dont have ouro

[urban latch]

thats for pve fyi

[red island]

ah

and pvp whats the number ?

[wise swallow]

imo ouro high end is more important as a first build. Mainly cuz 75% of the pieces will also be used for the AR variations

its kinda like getting 2 builds in 1 but you do have to change 1 piece

gearset is stupid easy tho

[autumn yacht]

i only recommend ouro striker bc it can be made very fast and it’s prob the best way to run it

obliterate on chest snowballs damage so fast especially if you get stacks on landmarks

[urban latch]

the haz pro needed for immunity is a function of duration of the status, so it technically depends on the persons build applying the status, so it technically varies

[red island]

yeah that would require me to drop actually good gear someday xd

[red island]

oh so like if you got +100% status effect 100% hazpro doesnt work ?

[autumn yacht]

once ur immune ur immune

[red island]

so whats the difference, if you're immune in pve you're immune in pvp ?

[autumn yacht]

none i’m p sure

[red island]

then this was unnecessary lol

[autumn yacht]

i think he meant if u aren’t completely immune

[red island]

well thats the point, if you need 90% to be immune in pve, whats the difference with pvp ?

[autumn yacht]

he could be right i’m not sure about the interaction between status effects and hazpro

[red island]

wym

the interaction is direct, hazpro cancel status effect duration

[autumn yacht]

i’d say regardless it probably won’t impact much if ur running hazpro odds are u have a healer or regen so any status dmg u take will be healed fast

and dps builds that rely on status don’t have any status effect specced to begin with

[urban latch]

its duration. Check out the pvp guide, its explained towards the bottom. Basically what has pro does is shorten duration you take status effects. If you shorten that duration under 1 second, then you dont get statused in the first place. The longer the duration a status put on you lasts, the more haz pro you need to become immune to it

[zealous river]

So what does the status effect attribute actually affect then, out of curiosity as I don't know. Is it like a cover all like weapon handling? Or is it something else?

[half scroll]

@magic pilot this build still pretty solid?

[wise swallow]

that guide was made about 1 month ago

actually less then that

all of them are still up to date

[urban latch]

status effects increases duration and damage per tick of status skills. its just that its a bonus to a base, so getting 100% status doesnt mean things just last forever, the duration would be double the base duration in that case, plus double the base damage

[zealous river]

Appreciated

So are 'status effect' and 'skill duration' are separate categories or do they stack?

For skill duration for example, does that affect how long the fire sticky burns for or can only S.E. up that stat? Or is it only limited to duration of how long turrets and such are active?

[urban latch]

they would add together to become a single multiplier towards the base duration

[red island]

Yes so the % are the same in pvp ?

[magic pilot]

Rank 70 as a duo against server last time I played dz

[magic pilot]

No, depends on the build of whoever is applying status. If they have status rolls or skill tier

[red island]

I mean the immunity %

[urban latch]

right, that depends on the build of whoever is applying status.

[red island]

So 100% has pro isnt immune ?

[urban latch]

it would be, but its also likely something less than that

but it depends on the build/duration of the status applied to you, which in pvp changes

[red island]

What is the point of having 100% hazpro if someone can bypass that tho

[urban latch]

they cant......

[red island]

I don't understand

[urban latch]

if the duration of the status is 10000 years, and you cut that by 100%, itll last 0 seconds, and you wont be statused. If the duration lasts 1 second, and you have 1% haz pro, 1 x (1-.01) = less than 1 second, that gets rounded down and you would be immune at 1% haz pro

Edit: forgot it's under half a second, not a second where you get immunity since 1 tick is every half second

[magic pilot]

It only matters if you are under 100%

[urban latch]

it depends on the duration of the status being applied

[magic pilot]

Which you almost will never be at 100% for every status

[red island]

Ah ok

[magic pilot]

So it's useful to know even at 90% hazpro you could potentially be statused still

[hexed steppe]

im gonna question this because afaik, skill duration wont affect a status effect.. from what i understand skill duration just affects stuff like how long a chem cloud will stay/how long a sticky will stay attached to something before it times out/how long a skill will stay active...

status effects would affect the damage/duration , skill damage would be stackable but only affect the damage

[urban latch]

🤦‍♂️ your right, I brainfarted....

there are things like "burn duration" that add to that status effect duration, but not skill duration

[hexed steppe]

yeah skill mods and such. perpetuation talent as well

[magic pilot]

Skill duration buff oxy clouds that doesn't help the confusion

[hexed steppe]

oxi also not a status

[magic pilot]

It can be whatever it wants

It's a status as much as plague of the outcasts

[versed summit]

Or Pulse

[hexed steppe]

oxi now identifies as crit damage

[magic pilot]

Explosive dmg is in the same boat, pfe as well. Damage from elites🤣

[autumn yacht]

carth seems to be better on console btw

[autumn yacht]

did you hold a position or run marathons tho 🤔

[magic pilot]

Held it down

Dz south in the ruins

[half scroll]

im on the fence atm. i’m gonna give this one a shot, and if i feel like i should switch, ill do it

[autumn yacht]

carth is generally better on console bc console pvp is more about trades vs pc which is everyone killing each other in 1 mag

sure u can 1 clip ppl on console but tracking is way worse

also they have a very different culture which prefers certain builds

[wise swallow]

much lower skill floor on console

[autumn yacht]

i wouldnt say that, its just different skills are more important on each platform

[magic pilot]

Strafing is so much easier on controller

So a lot of their fights get drawn out more since you can't aim for shit with a controller

[wise swallow]

what I mean by that is starting on console is gonna be alot harder then starting on PC

your start a lower skill point compared to PC

and yea aiming is hell

[autumn yacht]

i mean idk if id say that

its easier to strafe on controller vs mnk and they have aim assist i wouldnt say lower skill floor

theres a higher skill ceiling on certain skills like trading tho

[stiff jasper]

0.5 second , not 1

[half scroll]

is chatterbox used in any builds anymore?

[red island]

in fun builds ye

[half scroll]

i know the last time i played it was used all the time in builds

[red island]

well, now we got other builds and guns added to the game

[pastel crane]

Some times, a build is simply for the hell of it and for fun, not just to catch up on the meta

[tulip charm]

Well yeah.

You should always have a meta build or 2 before making whatever build you want

[tulip charm]

see perfect example

[rich cosmos]

This seems questionable at best

[onyx sage]

look at all the brands that get buffed by ninjabike

[versed summit]

Chameleon when?

[pastel crane]

Yes, yes, I have to be a meta slave or else I'm deadweight

[half scroll]

this feels wrong on so many levels

[hexed steppe]

god mode activated

[tulip charm]

Slave? You still need a good build to farm the other builds. Well at least much easier.

:/

Also cant be deadweight if you solo

[rich cosmos]

Being solo makes the situation worse

[autumn yacht]

sounds like these type of games aren’t for you..

[hexed steppe]

Can run around with a basic turret/drone build and be ok solo. Meta builds make it more efficient, but tbf you can roll in to challenging countdown with a dogsht build and be carried

[tawdry flare]

Where is sleigher bro you don't know how to make meta

[half scroll]

genuine question, how does ninjabike work when you use it in a normal build?

[vestal ibex]

It works like you think, gives +1 to brandsets/gearsets if you don't have 3/4 of the set.

[half scroll]

okay

[vestal ibex]

It's just works means you are trading a backpack talent which in 98% of cases it's worth more than ninja backpack unlocks.

[half scroll]

does it apply to only one gear set at a time?

[vestal ibex]

It applies to any that are not capped. So you could wear 5-1 pc brandsets and unlock the second part of all of them.

[half scroll]

okay thats what i thought

[red island]

man i wish we didnt have so many stats on chest and bag

its so hard to farm that

[devout agate]

Does collector regenerate specialization gernades?

[glossy scarab]

hm. if its not specified in the description then i guess its test it time. i think it does but i could be wrong

[jolly sapphire]

Wasap

Where do I find good builds

[red island]

in pinned message

[devout agate]

Ok

[stiff jasper]

Yes

[half scroll]

any recommendations for a diamondback build? kinda loving this thing rn, but it doesnt benefit much from strikers

[warm knot]

Wrong channel, my mistake. should be on #ask-td2-community

[solar sable]

there isn't really a build for a weapon that most people consider niche/mid. But I think Zwiadowka will fit nice

[versed summit]

It can work on a Breaking Point HH build, very niche but pretty unique

[hexed steppe]

Probably negotiators

Guaranteed crits with talent play well with nego talent

I would have a solid assault rifle as backup tho

Diamond dilemma

[solar sable]

looks cursed, might give it a try since I'm bored and no motivation to play

[half scroll]

25% chc feels so wrong….

[devout agate]

Do you know what the fastest way to get it is, I’ve just been farming countdown and I haven’t been getting any luck

[shy willow]

Countdown is still the fastest way

[solar sable]

you're just unlucky and lootcifer hates you

[red island]

you got 100% chc with diamondback why would you bother getting chc mods ?

thats the point of the build, not chc, garanteed crits, enjoy destroying them

[livid ledge]

is there any other builds that are beasts in high level content other than striker? im starting to get bored of it lol

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[surreal depot]

How to build

[onyx sage]

either hotshot sniper or hunter's fury are both very strong

[livid ledge]

i was thinking heartbreaker too

[surreal depot]

How does one build hotshot

Determined right

[onyx sage]

eh heartbreaker isn't really that necessary

[pastel crane]

4pc Hotshot with Chainkiller and The Gift, for starters. And an MMR with Determined

[livid ledge]

oh ok

[surreal depot]

I'm thinking 4p hotshot, ninjabike and Picaros with determined

[oak citrus]

How i can build that ? I don’t find any good video to explain how to have a good build

[onyx sage]

chameleon enjoyer is teasing you btw. he knows all already

[livid ledge]

does anyone have a good hunters fury build?

[pastel crane]

Oh

Well, you got me

[onyx sage]

sniper setups

[surreal depot]

Sir wdym knows all

You are the walking encyclopedia

[onyx sage]

regulus headhunter

[onyx sage]

hunters fury

[surreal depot]

Is it me or is that loading a blank

[livid ledge]

yeah blank for me too

[onyx sage]

i think it's bugging out yeah

[livid ledge]

tyvm

i just loaded it on my phone and it worked

[pastel crane]

Personally, I've been using HF with Ceska chest and Badger Tuff backpack with Opportunistic.

[livid ledge]

im excited for this now, im so sick of using striker for everything

[onyx sage]

anyways here are the 2 headhunter's fury variants i run the most

[surreal depot]

When will striker HH be popularized

[onyx sage]

when more speedrun DH

[livid ledge]

is using snipers recommended over ARs?

[onyx sage]

for headhunter absolutely

[surreal depot]

Hear me out

[onyx sage]

no

[livid ledge]

oh but for the other variants just ars?

[surreal depot]

Kill and stack with m870

[onyx sage]

well it depends

[surreal depot]

Then switch to sniper

[surreal depot]

My uncle rejects my voices

[onyx sage]

hunter's fury is a cqc set so you wanna play up close

[livid ledge]

ah true

[onyx sage]

and ARs aren't really as strong as smg or shotgun up close

[livid ledge]

oreo it is

thanks for the help bros, im going farming

[onyx sage]

if you have regulus it shines a lot in headhunter

[surreal depot]

Bro doesn't run determined crungo

[onyx sage]

weirdge

[magic pilot]

No DH chest on build 2?

[vestal ibex]

It's not a pistol only build tho.

[magic pilot]

True

[onyx sage]

it's also used with m870

[livid ledge]

think i could swap out the backpack for momento on HF?

[urban latch]

I would recommend doing that honestly. Imo DCH isn't really worth running on the HF build, your better off with either a vigilance backpack or memento

[onyx sage]

yeah i wouldn't recommend running the dch variant if you're new

there are a couple choices for high end backpack talents but vigilance is the strongest

[livid ledge]

ok momento it is

[magic pilot]

Memento*

[urban latch]

I still think it should be momento lol

[pastel crane]

Potato, potahto

[onyx sage]

rouge

decent

[patent fossil]

Hunters furry

[onyx sage]

stricker

[atomic nest]

What's the best exotic ar or smg for DZ?

[tawdry flare]

Wife Eleven

[atomic nest]

Where do I find that

[red island]

that depends on your build

[atomic nest]

Well rn I got Cath, Sokolv vest, and providence holster. And 3pc hunter kit

[versed summit]

For ARs Eagle Bearer generally and for SMGs Ouroboros.

[atomic nest]

Yeah I hear ouroboros is good

[versed summit]

That’s not really a good setup, I’d really recommend checking out the starter PvP guide in the pinned spreadsheet.

[atomic nest]

Ok

[versed summit]

It doesn’t have any mechanics and is just a DPS machine, so very easy to recommend.

[twin mulch]

Anyone got a good solo dark zone build they wouldn’t mind sending me a pic of , been a while since I played 😂

[magic pilot]

PvP Guide

[proud slate]

Is there any bugs with tsunami when firing chem oxis? Or am i dreaming that?

Does it still work as intended?

[junior surge]

Pummel still refills oxis

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but perfect pummel is worse. Will only refresh after pummel ends. Normal pummel will refill every 3 regardless.

[autumn yacht]

imo st elmo is a better beginner recommendation

EB isn’t really used anymore unless they are a very skilled player vsing bad players

[versed summit]

I wouldn't recommend an exotic to a beginner anyways tbf, but fair enough 🤷‍♂️

[urban latch]

EB is currently at the strongest it's been since gear 2.0, even relative to its other options like Elmo's.... Really it's biggest competitors are ouro and iron lung for exotic primaries

[autumn yacht]

maybe on paper but in practice it’s hard to get real value

any decent player won’t face tank you when you have the buff

[versed summit]

do you really get to make a choice not to face tank?

[autumn yacht]

i mean yeah

then the eb player dies or loses their entire health bar

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[magic pilot]

EB is far stronger than Elmo atm

[magic pilot]

That doesn't really make sense tbh, if a good player isn't going to face trade how is the EB player gonna die with the buff runs out

[autumn yacht]

depends who’s rogue and the situation

if ur rogue policing with EB getting value will be difficult in the first place and if you’re server fighting with it you’ll be taking damage from multiple people

[livid ledge]

with the hunters fury build can you swap the ceska chest piece for the ceska gloves, i just got a pare of gloves with max wd, chc, chd

or do you absolutely need to run the chest

[urban latch]

Chest and backpack talents are very valuable, and the HF chest and backpack talents just don't come close to comparing to what you can get from high end talents, so they really aren't ideal to run

[solar sable]

hey raucey, qq, is the oxi build the same from Summit floor 100 hunters for Lovebirds? I may be a dumbass

[livid ledge]

yeah i get you, so its def better to run high end chest

[urban latch]

Yeah pretty much. You'll want gc and combined arms for both

[magic pilot]

Oxy for lovers?

[urban latch]

I used chatterbox for lovebirds which isn't helpful for f100, that's about the only difference I can think of.

[vestal ibex]

"bro just shoot further back" man that shit was funny.

[urban latch]

I forget about it getting bigger

[pastel crane]

The bigger it is, the hardest it hits

[magic pilot]

"Overcharge!"

Was this the identity run

[urban latch]

Yeah

[urban latch]

We should try duo oxy strat lol

[spring wasp]

can anyone help me get st elmos engine?

[vestal ibex]

Got time this weekend?

[urban latch]

Yeah I should

[proud slate]

Thank you

[vestal ibex]

LOL I didn't even realize it was you. I'm waiting for sub 6:30 yo...

[proud slate]

Haha im on it, almost there

[magic pilot]

English been on the grind for a minute now, I miss those runs ngl....

Just get a pc already

[proud slate]

Oh yeah im considering getting 1

Would love to play with you

Get some runs in

[red island]

whats the point of running capacitor on this build ?

[magic pilot]

Thats how it is sometimes lol

I was gone for a bit

[magic pilot]

The measured tells me everything I need to know

[red island]

measured ?

[proud slate]

its a talent on his famas

[red island]

ah

[junior surge]

I don't seem to be having that problem tbh, perfect pummel seems to work just fine. I gotta try ot out in a raid soon, but at least in the range it refreshes normally, even before pummel runs out. I also don't recall a problem yesterday whe I used it

[vestal ibex]

Idk I haven't checked what works and doesn't in a minute.

It's just the last time I did that was the case.

[junior surge]

That's interesting, it might be one of those things that get stealth changes every once in a while like determined or the final rocket on moro

[vestal ibex]

lol I don't think it's intentional fixes, just bugs affecting bugs really.

[magic pilot]

Walker isn't really a good option there, same with contractors on capacitor

[pastel crane]

1000 bugs on the wall. Take one down, pass it around. 1200 bugs on the wall.

[red island]

well our group got deleted lmao

[junior surge]

Oh yea, I think like 30% of changes affecting our gameplay are intentional, the rest is the result of years of changing devs and putting bandaid fixes on top of bandaid fixes resulting in the spaghetti code we have now

[pastel crane]

Every live service game is a mess of code after many years, eventually

[autumn yacht]

wow he needs to post that build on youtube immediately

[magic pilot]

did you check if he was cheating?

[red island]

didnt seem like it, he destroyed us but were arent really pvp opti

[magic pilot]

ah gotcha

[covert meadow]

Is there a glitch, where sometimes continuing fire will cause the game to freeze, or when you pull the trigger to shoot nothing happens?

Since this last patch ot happens often?

[junior surge]

Yea, the bug where you can't shoot has been around for a while.

[autumn yacht]

post your build

[covert meadow]

@junior surge what is that, it's terrible, then usually you can do stuff like move the right stick but nothing is going on and usually I'll get a delta error or it'll stay like that until I restart the entire game

[red island]

simple striker build

[autumn yacht]

with ouro?

[red island]

yeah i have it sometimes, swap guns to fix it iirc

[red island]

no elmo, dont have ouro yet

[covert meadow]

@red island ok 👍

I thought my system was breaking or going out or controller was broke

[vestal ibex]

You want some help with the incursion at least? I'll be doing some runs this weekend.

[magic pilot]

I'm up for it as well

[red island]

sure, dm me when you do

[vestal ibex]

Dien will be there too. Should be fun yo.

[magic pilot]

sweet

[livid ledge]

best gun to pair with scorpio for a healing future initiative build?

[onyx sage]

lefty

[livid ledge]

sweeeeet

[warm knot]

Is there a way to calculate skills cool down? I'm missing a skill haste minor attribute from the courier for my eclipse cc build... I'm using chems and fire sticky bomb

[half scroll]

are there any solid hive based skill builds that are damage focused?

[magic pilot]

Not really

[magic pilot]

The builder might tell you

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[hexed steppe]

mortar/stinger hive combo. with btsu for group overcharge 😎 . hits very hard. mortar cooldown is 10 seconds, but an oc brings it back instantly and rapid charges the hive.
the grupo/sacrifice are unicorns but can easily be replaced with 3 empress w/glass. perfect combined arms, while being most damage, isnt everyones favorite. this could be replaced by china light strategic alignment/or wyvern tech support...

• skill damage > haste everywhere

could also use stinger hive in a hardwired cluster seeker spam build where the hive is your feedback loop trigger, but its a lot lower damage than a highend explosives build

[hexed steppe]

there definitely is but im not sure the formula tbh. generally 100% haste will be a 50% reduction in cooldown iirc. if youre in the 70-80% range you should have a fairly short cooldown. i think mine i run around 100% since i dont spec any status rolls/resist mods

[stiff jasper]

Imagine there 2 people
A run 10m each second, he need 10 second to run 100m
B run 20m each second, then he only need 5 second to finish 100m
Increase Skill haste are Increase the velocity

[junior surge]

This is a setup I use for camping doors sometimes, it deals pretty good and has some versatility with btsu. Btsu also massively helps with the cooldown, which can be a bit long without the gloves.

If you want to maximize damage, run capacitor instead

Keep in mind, while the stinger hive deals explosive damage, it isn't affected by explosive damage attributes

[hexed steppe]

that's disappointing 😅 , so yeah if no cluster/explosive sticky/mortar then dont need the unicorns

[onyx sage]

newCD = originalCD / (1 + skillHaste%)

[hexed steppe]

would sacrifice extra 5% amp outweigh the wyvern piece. genuinely interested

[junior surge]

Well, if I had a yellow sacrifice, I could test it lol

I had one years ago, but got rid of it. I tested it on my oxi build, and wyvern with normal gc outdamaged it then

But I'm curious about stinger, especially with expertise

[onyx sage]

even with in sync?

[junior surge]

It was with cap at the time

[hexed steppe]

😎 ill have to put something together ig. swapping the china piece to hanna 2nd piece did see hive gain 100k on unbuffed explosions

[junior surge]

I think expertise especially could tip it in sacrifices favor, I guess I'll look for one again

[onyx sage]

using shotgun with in sync would be a minor upgrade too over test subject

[junior surge]

Yea, I swap in between the test subject and my in-sync super 90

[onyx sage]

you know, actually

the mop with in sync

[tawdry flare]

A man of culture I see

[junior surge]

The test subject does have dta on it, precisely because of the stinger hive though

So I am only losing 6%

[hexed steppe]

thats what i use

so skill damage increased hive hit by 100k, but then lowered mortar hit by ~600k

not to bad of a trade off

ill keep as is, hive is just to useful , and i like being able to throw it out on partial charge . good info though, ill remember it

[livid ledge]

any good skill damage pve builds that use capacitor?

[onyx sage]

turret drone?

[livid ledge]

yeah just any skill damage build

[onyx sage]

no i mean turret drone is one

[livid ledge]

oh ok but is there one of those handy files for it, idk how to access them

[junior surge]

Yea, just the standard high end skill build is a good choice here. I like to use 3 empress, 1 wyvern, and then the last 2 pieces are personal preference, can be hana u for max damage, belstone or palisade for some regen/aok, brazos/picaros if you want some blue cores whithout losing skill tiers, ceska/grupo if you wanna get some crit in or even memento or waveform

[livid ledge]

amazing ty

[patent fossil]

check the spreadsheet linked in the pins, it has evernote links to a variety of meta builds (eg the turret drone one is here: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/a7081cdc-b5c5-7677-e166-b27ea3b2f6f8/c6f8e9d0c5615e9a45ad57702425d603 )

[livid ledge]

thats what ive been looking for tysm

[peak sphinx]

Why is the crit dmg transfer with ND only 50% if you crit with a mmr? And 100% with AR (using backpack). Feel cheated 🤔

[onyx sage]

example?

[peak sphinx]

603k crit with AR and 603K on tagged target. I hit 5.6M with mmr only 2.8M dmg on tagged target

[junior surge]

You're probably overkilling. You can only transfer as much damage as the target has health

[patent fossil]

never heard that before, but very few players would use MMRs much on a nego build, fewer shots to kill means lower chance of tagging/transferring damage per enemy

[junior surge]

So if the primary target only has 2.8 mil hp, you can only transfer that much, even if you technically hit for more

[peak sphinx]

Nope target didnt die was a elite on heroic. But its weird cus it didnt used to be like this i know for a fact so either i did some weird stuff or game forgot how to count

Same 2 targets i shoot with ar first its same dmg on both with crit but with my SR1 is only 50%

[junior surge]

Do you have a video?

[peak sphinx]

Not atm gotta make one and upload cus xbox lol. And can i send those in here?

[onyx sage]

yes

[peak sphinx]

[junior surge]

I can't replicate it, it works just fine for me with the SR-1

[peak sphinx]

🫠 means my game or gear broke

Unequipping and reequipping fixed it..... weird . I had a Hotshot/HH build on before so maybe hh makes it weird at times dunno. Cant seem to replicate it anymore atm

[onyx sage]

yeah hh is the problem lol

hh only applies to the target you hit

[peak sphinx]

Can replicate it in shooting range tho their it happens every time. But its the shooting range wich is as reliable as the servers

[peak sphinx]

I know i didnt use hh with ND

[surreal depot]

I use MMR nego, never seen b4

[peak sphinx]

I have no explanation for it... cus now it works fine whatever i try.... if happens again i try to remember to record

[onyx sage]

mmr nego determined hh

bro is creative even with crutch

[surreal depot]

Sir

Are you making fun of disabled people

[polar kayak]

What should I improve?

[onyx sage]

six12 should have brazen talent

[polar kayak]

Cool

[magic pilot]

No reviver hive, also shield is kinda not worth running imo

[red island]

good drop means good builds

[polar kayak]

I’m brand new to the game so I’m just using it as I play solo

[red island]

shield wont tank anything with your build

[versed summit]

It’s still a good way to add survivability, it just depends how much you’re trying to do in the game

[polar kayak]

I usually run Banshee instead, idk why I put shield on there 😂

[wise swallow]

its almost an extra armour bar

I wouldnt say its that worth in heroic but it really depends on how you play

[silent wadi]

guys and gals what best stat for bullet king 3rd slot pls

[wise swallow]

mag size

[onyx sage]

chc

[silent wadi]

ah mag size i see perfect lol

[gentle lichen]

Add in no vigilance loss on hit

[wise swallow]

hes not using vigi but yea

I like using shield all the time cuz i suck at the game

[onyx sage]

just use shield, as you get more comfortable you drop it

[gentle lichen]

Ah i see striker.
I mean yeah they could use the shield to trade until it breaks ig

[magic pilot]

Decoy and emp sticky the way to go

[wise swallow]

shield so you can play like a monkey

[versed summit]

Who plays heroic tho 🤔

[onyx sage]

me

legendary too hard

[versed summit]

I don’t think you’re gonna find your wife in heroic zoo pal :/

[onyx sage]

😔

[undone gorge]

im trying to get into td2 and im not sure what i should be building towards or what i should be spending my time doing

[versed summit]

The world is kind of your oyster, is there specific content you’ve enjoyed so far? And how far along are you?

[undone gorge]

ive played 1 and most of 2 but i fell off, and not sure where to go. i have only been in the dark zone because thats what i assumed was end game, then i saw something about a floor based game mode.

im not good at the equipment managment side, or how to have a proper build.

[versed summit]

Dark zone is end game if you like PvP, and conflict too IG

End game for PvE is probably Legendary, Incursions, and Raids, but a lot of people just stick to heroic.

I’d recommend getting to lvl 40 in div 2 and then you can start making builds from there for raids or incursion or just open world or heroic missions

[red island]

there is a pinned emssage with everything on it

[half scroll]

is test subject better than capacitor?

[versed summit]

Depends where you’re using it tbh

Capacitor is technically more damage against everything but health targets

[onyx sage]

not really, test subject and capacitor behave the same in one setup (turret drone) but in others the dta from capacitor is more relevant for those skills to perform better, whereas the health damage from test subject is irrelevant for skill damage

then you also have pvp in which capacitor is way better just due to the dta being on an AR

[versed summit]

Instant skill damage on test subject vs built up skill damage is a consideration as well.

You can pair it with a Scorpio too, which can be pretty nice

[red island]

what u think of this build ?

[jagged marlin]

It's a bit too red for pvp, you'll be soley relying on advantage of surprise

[red island]

im thinking pve not pvp

[versed summit]

Tbh if you have bonus armor, intimidate is a great option

[junior surge]

Looks good. I'd run intimidate personally, and firewall with striker shield. If you're running it all red, I'd recommend a grupo chest instead of sokolov, as it's also wd

[versed summit]

Personally I’d rather have the firewall shield too, but aok is nice too

[red island]

yeah maybe firewall

chest is hard to get, too many stats to get right, too much randomness

but yeah intimidate would be good

[glossy scarab]

if i was going to use intimidate i would put one armor core on bc that bonus armor gets shot off quick and then intimidate is gone

[versed summit]

It’s a small difference and won’t matter super much until you start expertising your ouro tbf

[versed summit]

Shield helps tho

[glossy scarab]

yeah def. and all reds will get the kills quicker. but i have my ouro exp to 18 so i feel like an armor core isnt hurting my damage too bad

[red island]

btw my ouro is dta

is it worth to expertise it ?

its perfect roll too

[glossy scarab]

thats a tough call. dtoc is more damage.. i had ouros with dta and dtoc and compared them. i just dont remember how big the difference was, but to me it made the dta a bad choice

[onyx sage]

you don't lose expertise on rerolling

[glossy scarab]

too bad ya didnt reconfigure it a week ago or whenever the high roll crafting was still in effect

[red island]

haha

i just dropped it tonight

and im unlucky af anyway i would have rerolled it 100 times and still wouldnt get dttooc

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah ya never know. could use all your exo components and end up with swap speed on it

[red island]

hahaha

yeah i tested it a bit, shield is really bad with no core, im gonna ditch it

and yeah maybe more tankyness should be good

otherwise, insane damage from ouro clearly

[jagged marlin]

You could try going hunters fury backpack, the aoe increase is quite useful for lockdown

and then go coyotes for the +25 crit damage

[glossy scarab]

yeah most people will not recommend the HF bag but it actually is useful for CC. just not good for damage

[jagged marlin]

I mean if we are talking about full damage, strikers + ouro will beat hf

You usually go hf for the lockdown imo

[glossy scarab]

i just like HF for the playstyle it demands of you. its a lot of fun in open world activities.

i would use it with memento but i feel so weak when i start out with no stacks and i'd rather just use intimidate and a bag that gives bonus armor

[onyx sage]

i use hf backpack

[red island]

yeah but i wanted a bit of aok to have sustain

but im way too squichy for it to matter it seem

[glossy scarab]

sometimes i use a palisades chest with strikers to give aok

hard to get a good one tho. i dont have an all red one. just armor core chc/chd and obliterate

[red island]

i should check what number of stacks i need on striker to have same dps as fury

[onyx sage]

33 stacks

[red island]

lmao you cant know

[onyx sage]

maxed stack HF is 1.53, striker at base is 1.15, assuming no more rof you need 33 stacks to get 1.53

ofc i know, it's math

[versed summit]

Based

[red island]

yeah but striker you use chest/bag

meaning you got obliterate or intimidate + bag on fury

[versed summit]

Still math lol

[onyx sage]

i mean you can still compare

[red island]

yeah but not 33 stacks

[onyx sage]

name your specific 2 configurations of the two and i will calc right here

that's the point, you can compare

[red island]

yeah i know you can compare, but you didnt know the build yet lol

[jagged marlin]

With striker you don't have to use chest, just bag, for 33 stacks to be a thing

[onyx sage]

there are finite configurations

[jagged marlin]

I suppose what you can compare is hf + intimidate ad rush vs striker bag + obl

[red island]

why not use chest striker ?

its much more damage

[onyx sage]

because you just ask for how many stacks of striker to beat HF

it already beats HF at less than 100 stacks

[red island]

yeah but now we got to agree what build to compare

before comparing

[onyx sage]

then name your build lol

[red island]

ok what about this (lets pretend picaro is fenris lol ignore the armor)

and use ouro in both

[onyx sage]

funnily enough, hf + intimidate is 2.18, which is a bit less than striker + 15% rof (2.3)

and that's among the best hf setups

[devout agate]

Why fenris

[red island]

not fenris, the one for smg damage

[devout agate]

ohh ok

[red island]

i played too much ar lol its automatic now

[jagged marlin]

I always forget that striker adds 15% rof in numbers, makes it better than it already is

[red island]

yeah rof is insanely strong

[versed summit]

It really is the nail in the coffin for HB comparisons tbh

[onyx sage]

eh, i wouldn't use matador over ceska backpack here, ideally you use ceska grupo because no coyote

but anyways if you really want to take them as is and compare, sure

[devout agate]

I like using striker with sokolov chest with obliterate and coyotes

[red island]

told u we gotta agree on what we compare xd

lets stick with this for now, i cant farm another bagpack

[onyx sage]

these should be the only parts that differ

the biggest benefit to HF is its ramp up is on kill instead of on hit so if you kill faster you reach your ceiling quicker

oh i forgor crit but someone can do it, i gotta bail

[jagged marlin]

Ouro is only 10% rof?

[onyx sage]

yeah ouro has 10% rof mod

[red island]

crit doesnt matter i get 60% anyway and same crit damage

[onyx sage]

it's just the base being 1350

[red island]

yeah but how many stacks ?

[onyx sage]

for what

[red island]

to outdamage hf

lets say i face a tank right way, how many stacks would i need to do more damage on striker

[onyx sage]

comparing HF full stack or 0 stack?

[red island]

0 stacks, lets just say i start a fight vs a tank right away

[onyx sage]

32

[red island]

lol so 60% of a mag and i would already do more damage than hf

thats not great for hf

[onyx sage]

the thing about hf is there are setups that let you kill way faster than striker

that's why it's relevant

it being on-kill is what makes it strong

[red island]

yeah obv

[jagged marlin]

It's useful for guns that don't have high hits per second

[red island]

you get aok + confuse which is nice

but still thats a lot of damage missing

[onyx sage]

ubi buff HF pls /j

[red island]

also you lose striker stacks slowly

hf stacks are lost if you dont kill anyone under 10s

[jagged marlin]

Well, the big part of hf is the lockdown

It allows you to be squishy and in the thick of enemeis and also not take damage

If you kill fast

[red island]

yeah

can work in solo

def not in group tho that would be awful

[jagged marlin]

Yea if you don't get the on kill amp, you'd be doing a pittance of damage

Especially for ouro, which striker works really well with

[red island]

yeah imma keep hf for solo play and messing around, but im gonna keep striker for everything else

[magic pilot]

It works in coordinated groups super well

[crimson inlet]

Hey guys any good starter builds for pvp dps im just returning and i have no clue whats what m, thanks

[shy willow]

There's a setup that mows everything faster than striker ever could in certain situations

[red island]

is this like once in a blue moon and i have to sacrifice my first born ?

[jagged marlin]

Are you talking about headhunter?

That's less hunters fury and more headhunter, even high end hh could do that

[glossy scarab]

oh my god i was trying to demonstrate the CC and survivability of HF in open world stuff. went up against a resource convoy and then an elite resource convoy. got set on fire and blown up constantly and still didnt die lol. this is not how i had it playing out in my head

[red island]

yeah i should run more blue core

[jagged marlin]

Granted in that clip, outside of camping the spawn, you took considerably more time to kill the elites

With strikers it would have been less than one clip

[glossy scarab]

yeah for sure

but i wouldnt have down time between kills while theyre stunned

[jagged marlin]

And you can easily get 20% aok with gunner and one piece of pallisade

[glossy scarab]

yeah i use that frequently

getting lit on fire is so annoying

[red island]

ye

i might try a 6 blue core for pvp tho

with striker stacks that mught be nice

[fresh grove]

I already have one

[jagged marlin]

This is the other hf build,

[red island]

is it good ?

[fresh grove]

It works, except I use in pve

[red island]

haha

[fresh grove]

Yep

[shy willow]

High end could but you don't get crowd control and survivability

[jagged marlin]

Well yea, but it can do the killing part, my point is that hh is more about the lockdown, less about damage

[shy willow]

6 blue cores only in PvP

Ye

[magic pilot]

PvP Guide

[solar sable]

What mods are applied to Restorer Hive for Healer?

[shy willow]

The one that gives you extra charges

There's probably one for range and healing power too

[solar sable]

For System slot I only have Health and two Duration mods

[red island]

time to get some other mods then

[shy willow]

It's not major tbh the only one that I see any use out of is the extra charges

Already got like 4 minutes of uptime and it tends not to get shot

[red island]

tbh its kinda impossible to farm for this, the chest and backpack especially require way too much luck

[magic pilot]

Wdym how do you think I took the screenshots lol

[shy willow]

Most optimised PvP builds are hard to farm lol

[solar sable]

Alright, I'll try to get a charge mod ty

[shy willow]

Cuz most require a core change

[magic pilot]

+4 charges, range and healing/duration

[solar sable]

Matador 😵‍💫

[shy willow]

Still haven't got a double crit matador myself

Always one or the other

[solar sable]

Setup is uzina, right?

[red island]

yeah but this is insane, like the chest requires you the right talent out of 25, then twice the right stats out of 12, you got higher chances of getting eb from the dz

[red island]

ye

matador is different since its named, but still insanely rare

[magic pilot]

Not exactly but yes

[red island]

yeah its 1 out of 12 then 1 out of 11 but you get the point

[shy willow]

Rare but not that insane

[magic pilot]

Eb from dz is less than 1/10,000

[red island]

no its pretty insane

[shy willow]

My luck is garbage and even I have some really good unicorns lol

[red island]

yeah me too, but even the unicorns i get arent good rolled

[magic pilot]

Eb is 1/41,000 roughly

[red island]

like in my 500h of farming i got the matador, once, and its shit

[magic pilot]

A good bp/chest is between 1/3800-4000

To reroll core

[shy willow]

I have 3 and have never actively farmed it as of yet😭

If it's DZ exclusives you want just spam named caches

[red island]

yeah but imagine this is the easiest of the 2 items and you only have 3, and i only have 1

now imagine the chest, which is even harder to get

[onyx sage]

it's literally the same as what Lena has

[shy willow]

I have a mortar setup that has 3 unicorns lol

[onyx sage]

unicorn build

[shy willow]

The PvP electrique setup uses even more

[shy willow]

Having everything yellow looks so pretty

[red island]

aight i need sleep its 5am rn

tomorrow i'll look for a pvp build

[shy willow]

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[tawdry flare]

5.11

[shy willow]

headhunter

[tawdry flare]

5.11 with headhunter

[versed summit]

Headhunter

[magic pilot]

Walker Harris was in dz south 2 weeks ago I got 7 matadors

[solar sable]

Lucky bastard.

[magic pilot]

^ @versed summit dropped me a double crit one

[tulip charm]

Currently farming descent for a matador blueprint

I hate it so far

[magic pilot]

I'd keep it tbh

[tulip charm]

It looks like the average drop one will get in this game

[shy willow]

Tfw you get a double red habs piece but it's double crit

[magic pilot]

If it makes you all feel better once I'm done with expertise I need to farm the electrique pvp build for the advanced guide

[surreal depot]

Teach me sir

[tulip charm]

Have aimbot

[devout agate]

I’m using bighorn armor regen and I’m at 195 headshot dmg

That normal?

[shy willow]

Good luck😭

[red island]

ok what u think about this ? for dz

[versed summit]

Are you mainly using Ouro?

[autumn yacht]

id only run carth if ur running efficient

[red island]

yeah im trying ti get the hang of it, but i also use shield splintered sometimes if i need range

[red island]

why ?

[shy willow]

swap the chest for sokolov

[autumn yacht]

thatd prob be the only scenario where coyote isnt better

also yea solkov chest is better as well

[shy willow]

perfect efficient chest is also a nice option if you run firewall

I forget the name

[autumn yacht]

yeah ive seen people run ouro perfect efficient carth just to medkit push

it can be strong

[red island]

i wish lol

[shy willow]

every bit of dps counts in pvp

[red island]

efficient or perfect version ?

[autumn yacht]

if you do a few cd runs to get solkov material u should be able to craft a decent one somewhat fast

[autumn yacht]

its gotta be perfect

[red island]

lol no, a good chest would be 1/3300 chances

[autumn yacht]

i should enter a lottery then bc ive crafted multiple

[red island]

i mean a chest with chc + chd + the talent you need

thats insanely rare

[autumn yacht]

well really just chc or chd and a talent

obliterate or ub

[shy willow]

it's quite normal

the only difficult ones are unicorns

with core changes

otherwise generally you're gonna need 2 of 3

[red island]

hold on if i get perfect efficient i cant get sokolov or anything else

[autumn yacht]

well perfect efficient is only good if u can abuse medkits

its more of a cheese build

[shy willow]

used to be the single cheesiest thing

still cheese to a lesser extent

just spam spam spam

[autumn yacht]

rip medkit swapping

shouldve kept it in

[shy willow]

helps that firewall kit is absolutely bonkers if you can pop one

[autumn yacht]

even the insta medkits now with perfect efficient is really good

[red island]

wym insta medkit

[autumn yacht]

when u pop a med instead of holding it

[red island]

how u do that

only system corrup has it ?

[autumn yacht]

i cant remember u either double press the medkit button or press it quickly i usually just do it without thinking 😭

[shy willow]

for me it's double tap

[red island]

wtf

i didnt even know it was a thing

[autumn yacht]

well its prob useless in pve

but in pvp fights it can save u

[red island]

yeah i bet

i didnt even know it existed, why is there nothing in the game telling you about it lol

[shy willow]

its good for pvp and saving you from status effects like bleed

[red island]

wait

there isnt even a cd if you double tap

that mean you can do both

[shy willow]

theres a short cooldown iirc

green icon indicates it

[red island]

no, the green icon cd only count for the double tap, that mean you can double tap then instantly do a full heal

it uses 2 medkits but still

[shy willow]

no point😭

[red island]

well, you use one to get 20% armor and get a bit more safety to use the real medkit

[shy willow]

osp is best defence

no need to waste kits

unless pvp but just full kit behind cover

[stiff jasper]

In pvp, the heal of Catharsis are more important than that damage buff, since the buff are not stable

That means you will take certain damage to trigger heal cloud

Then other item or talent which can increase your survivability, and increase the time you fight, able to increase times you trigger Catharsis = increase the values of catharsis

For example like adrush, Unbreakable, efficient or even armor regen, blue core

[red island]

yeah so unbreakable is fine

welp, i wanted to try that pvp build, i died to a guy that shot me though an entire building lol

sounds like thats gonna happen a lot

[stiff jasper]

Basically I wouldn't suggest cathrasis with Unbreakable only, Unbreakable didn't benefit a lot if you fight longer

[red island]

u think perfect effiecient would be best ?

[tulip charm]

Yeah imo

75% to not use medkit is alot

While working with quick medkits

[stiff jasper]

If you want cathrasis in your build, I would say adrush > efficient > Unbreakable
And you have no reason to use normal efficient because you definitely keep double pressing V if your armor are not full

[autumn yacht]

only thing id say is since their running a (presumably) smg build the coyote buff would be much more reliable since you have to be close range anyways

but from what it sounds like they dont have solkov chest so perfect efficient/carth is good ye they cant run adrush with striker

[clever junco]

Hey y'all... Just coming back to this game after three or four years. Any build recommendations for the current game? Gear, etc.? My old toon is still good and a Sharpshooter with Nemesis (Electromagnetic Accelerator). I also have in my inventory a Chatterbox and multiple Pestilence (if those are worth a damn). Thanks.

[red island]

go #td2-build-advice and check pinned message for up to date builds

but basically just go for striker

[dreamy valve]

Which shotgun has the smallest pellet spread

[shy willow]

I wanna say the ksg but idk if it fires slugs in this game

[red island]

ok why do i get blown up by random skills in conflict while running full armor build ?

[tulip charm]

conflict is weird

[red island]

i cant even change lodaout

i just played the worst game of conflict
enemy team was just entrenched in their spawn with 2 hive + mortar + heals, there was nothing we could do to get them out as there was no angles to shoot without going into the hives that were also impossible to shoot from outside

what are we even supposed to do vs this ?

[tulip charm]

This is where you have an emp

atleast a high level one

[red island]

well, we had no skill build, and we couldnt change loadouts cause in combat

[tulip charm]

it do be like that

[magic pilot]

Double barrel

[magic pilot]

You can change loadouts in spawn, they just can't have gear stashed

[red island]

it didnt allow me, i respawned and it said i was in combat and couldnt change

[magic pilot]

Should be able to, not sure why you wouldn't

[red island]

dont know

game just didnt let me so i went to fight again

[peak sphinx]

Iirc i didnt work like this before but atm if you do more dmg in 1 shot to a player then his armour/health combined he go's down and unbreakable wont proc. Tested it multiple time with my gf and having 2.1M with unbreakable and 2.7m downs ya

There is a slight delay to it to proc so taking or doing enough dmg fast enough makes it not work

[wise swallow]

this is entirely accurate

I didnt work like this before but It does now

sometimes it can be buggy with bleeding and regen

[devout agate]

Thought it was headshots that don’t proc unbreakable

When I land all headshots their unbreakable doesn’t proc

[magic pilot]

That's just not true

[magic pilot]

It's been like that for awhile now

[sharp arch]

what specialization would you pair if your trying to make use of the true patriot gear set just curious cause im trying to make my own build

for the first time and i havent dove into build crafting alot yet

[gentle lichen]

Literally just look at popshot builds

[versed summit]

I wouldn't really recommend true Patriot, but Demo or survivalist, maybe firewall. Mostly about their tac links, but it depends how you're build is played

[sharp arch]

alright thanks ive heard that people dont like the true patriot gear set i just want to dont want my first attempt at build crafting some ultra mega sweat build just something i can use and have fun with

[rich lotus]

(I apologize I've asked this before) Is a shotgun necessary for an Oxidizer build anymore since I can reroll the stats on a capacitor to be exactly the same? is it used because In-Sync is quicker to reach 40% increase skill damage over capacitors 60%?

im trying to clean up my loadouts

[tulip charm]

Its nice to have one

[magic pilot]

Definitely want shotgun

[junior surge]

Also think about getting a pummel shotgun for oxi refresh

[glossy blade]

Hacking has destroyed the game in DZI. Is there a solution for hacking? We like to play clean. Please look into the hack.

[wise swallow]

There is no solution

Just report them and move on. Unless you know how their doing it anything beyond that is useless

[glossy blade]

Is there a solution for the company to leave them in this act?

[wise swallow]

What do you mean leave them?

[glossy blade]

I mean, they have data that exposes them and exposes their fraud

[wise swallow]

I am not following

If you report them theres a chance they get banned. No one knows how long thatll take but its the only thing you can do

[glossy blade]

We have received more than one report from them, and there is no interaction or interest

[wise swallow]

doesnt really surprise me. Divisions anti cheat is pretty bad

just the way it is unfortunately

[rich lotus]

@glossy blade I'm sorry to hear that, but AFAIK your reports are the only thing that helps.

[stiff jasper]

You leaved spawn point

[hexed steppe]

#unofficial-troubleshooting message
tbf, you arent making any contact with staff in this specific discord. devs dont really come here. they have an official support discord and links to report in the pinned comment i linked.

[wise swallow]

Complete waste of your time to do a full report

[devout agate]

Either the game bugs out when I’m running 1s with people or it is

[hexed steppe]

better than wasting time here complaining about it 😉

[wise swallow]

both equally a waste of time

complaining here atleast gets some kind of interaction

[hexed steppe]

sure

[glossy blade]

sure

[red island]

No, it specifically said I was in combat when I had t moved yet, I tried changing la ter and then it said I couldnt cause I left spawn, but first time I was still in spawn

[stiff jasper]

So any dot damage you have apply before you respawn

[red island]

No dot, I was running striker

[solar sable]

Should Chatterbox be rolled to CHD or DTOC?

[tulip charm]

dttoc as always

[sharp arch]

What exotic armor and weapon piece pair best with the true patriots gear set I already got the rolls I want on the gear no I just to pair an exotic armour piece and weapon with the gear set

[red island]

coyote ?

nothing special about patriots, so coyote should work

[sharp arch]

ill check it out

[sharp arch]

do you think the scorpio would work with it

[red island]

any weapon will work

its not a great gear set tho

[sharp arch]

coyotes mask would work but i have a mask with maxed weapon damage maxed heashot maxed crit chance and maxed crit damage would like ninja bike messenger kneepads or sawyers kneepads work?

[tulip charm]

What do you want to do with the build

[sharp arch]

medium to close range gunfights

[urban latch]

Id really recommend something like hunters fury or heartbreaker instead.

[tulip charm]

yeah

[sharp arch]

ive been told that but since this is my first time actually build crafting i want to try with something that is decent i can use for a couple months then toss once i get better at build crafting

[urban latch]

True patriot is basically just a bit of a dead end/trap. It will underperform pretty severally compared to other builds. It's ideally a support build, so using it solo is really ineffective. And as a support build in groups there's just far better options that you just end up hampering the group with it.

If you really want to use it go for it, just be aware there's very little actual use for it.

[sharp arch]

im aware im just trying to dip my toes into build crafting

[red island]

if you wanna learn build crafting, dont ask what people would do, try it yourself and see what works and what doesnt

check the maths, what would be good, what wouldnt, what special synergies could happen

[sharp arch]

ok

[versed summit]

IMO if you want to learn how to make a build, you need to figure out what works and why it works, then you can capitalize on synergies and make a good build.

[hexed steppe]

Exotics arent always best. With true patriot mechanic revolves around debuffing npc you can double down on this by using scorpio exotic shotgun and uzina named setup bag with perfect opportunistic.

[sharp arch]

Okay I’ll check out that pairing for sure

[hexed steppe]

It will give your whole team 2 amps towards the affected npc.
If you use survivalist spec you can have a 3rd team amp to anything that has a status which scorpio provides.
Ongoing directive, future initiative, and crowd control eclipse can also benefit your team a lot using the same combo

[pastel crane]

I got this Matador roll from a Named Item Cache when I finished my weekly Conflict project. Keep or discard?

[versed summit]

Could probably keep it, make it CHC/CHD and use it for proficiency.

[pastel crane]

Good idea

[red island]

def keep i wish i had one like that lol

[hot gale]

Hey yall, i need some help with a build regarding a skill duration and the defender drone skill.
For context i found out the defender drones expertise increases the dmg reduction by 1% however it seems its increasing by 0.5-0.9 randomly? Is this broken or intentional? I am running a 2 pc murakami 3 pc alps and btsu gloves to incorporate and experiment with this dfndr drone discovery, is there any named item that increased skill duration with the current set up i have? If i have to remove btsu gloves i will

[polar kayak]

What do ppl usually run on vile mask?

[solar sable]

I mean, every Vile user I see has a status effect build. Idk much about that exotic.

[polar kayak]

Yea I’m new and trying to build some sort of status effect build but idk yet

[onyx sage]

look on the spreadsheet for Eclipse Protocol build

[polar kayak]

Eclipse 👍🏽👍🏽

[hot gale]

I took off the vile mask because it felt like it was doing a whole lot tbh

I use eclipse with electrique and golan gear

Noticed a significabt improvement in damage and duration

I think vile should be buff

[polar kayak]

Decent 👍🏽 just need to grind for scorpio

[hexed steppe]

if you are able to get kills i would consider memento bag. the 30% skill efficiency on the long buff is like % in all skill buckets. skill duration , skill health, skill damage, status effects, repair skills, skill haste all covered. depending on cores short buff will also give 10s boosts to all categories... not to mention the regen/bonus armor/weapon damage 😅

[hot gale]

Your a genius, ill give it a shot and hopefully it does significantly increase the dfndr drones dmg reduction and duration, i believe it may be very possible to get 100% dmg red with overcharge from some other source

[hexed steppe]

maybe future perfect weapon talent

i havent used memento with a defender drone tbf, but have definitely used it with a repair drone and it stayed up for a long time. if you use tech class you could have second skill as artificer hive which will have passive skill buffing every 10s without placing on the ground

[hexed steppe]

just make sure its fire eclipse variant with eclipse bag. vile isnt worth running without the amp the bag provides.

[polar kayak]

🫡🫡will start the grind tonight

[tulip charm]

thats all my luck gone

[magic pilot]

how much on cashapp?

[red island]

can i inherit it when you go down ?
how about we go in th dz for a bit dw im friendly

[tulip charm]

No field caches gave it to me

[half scroll]

i will double whatever pvp guy gives you

[half scroll]

oh you lucky mf

can i just borrow it for a bit? pinky promise ill give it back

[tulip charm]

Yeah you can borrow it when I deconstruct it

[half scroll]

im trying to get one for this exact build lul

[tulip charm]

Hahaha

Good luck getting a matador

[half scroll]

already got one

just not the roll i need, but atp im just gonna roll with two reds and four blues

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half scroll]

tempting to just do 3/3 with how hard it is to get that chest to drop

[tulip charm]

Yeah I would also like a fenrir and ceska unbreakable stuff

[half scroll]

wellll with your luck it shouldnt be too hard

[wise swallow]

Legend has it that’s just normal walker with ad rush but prod is a poser

[mint axle]

I think matador is overated, more 2% (3% in pve) of bonus armor doesn't make much of a difference compared to regular adrenaline rush.

[wise swallow]

I ran the numbers on it at 1 point

I think it’s 60k extra armour per stack

Assuming a 1.7 build

[half scroll]

its one of those things where if you can get it, get it

[onyx sage]

time to grind descent

[half scroll]

conflict

[tulip charm]

cope I like my shiny gold rolled backpack

🗿

[mint axle]

I mean, if you are not running a "blue core build with damage bonuses" I think Sacrificing 60K in exchange for a brand set bonus is better.

[wise swallow]

? Walker is still BIS

For that build

So your not losing anything

[half scroll]

this is a thing to consider too, for the specific build i posted, its main focus is to have as much armor as possible without sacrificing too much damage for face tanks

[wise swallow]

Overall yea it’s not worth if your not already using walker or walker is very very close in terms of best in slot

[red island]

its 3% per stack, so 9%, it add a lot on a tank build

[wise swallow]

But tbh a extra 60k is pretty good

I’d say it’s worth

Even if walker isn’t the best

[red island]

only downside is the brand

[tulip charm]

Eh

[mint axle]

Just like any named gear in the game unfortunately

[wise swallow]

Walker ain’t bad when you got so many blues

It’s usually very close to BIS on Crit builds

[red island]

the overlord is ok iirc im using it with diamondback nego right now its fun

[half scroll]

could i see this diamondback nego build

[red island]

its on the spreadsheet

[half scroll]

oh okay

[red island]

i adapted mine a bit tho, but basically, 4 nego, named rifle brand, and chest to your liking, they propose glasscanon but i dont like it

id rather have nego chest for 5 targets

[onyx sage]

consider: any case where you have less than 5 targets

[versed summit]

Yeah we don’t recommend that because it’s incredibly difficult to actually maintain five targets, anywhere.

[onyx sage]

even if you have 5 targets, your target reacquisition time needed to shoot 5 targets is significant

[versed summit]

Unless your RoterBlitz

[onyx sage]

even roterblitz wouldn't do that lol

reacquiring targets is pain unless your main target is dead

in which case you have to

[versed summit]

For sure, but he could🤔

[onyx sage]

i just want to be roterblitz 😔

[tulip charm]

Uh just become him?

[red island]

meh

[red island]

i didnt find that difficult tbh for the few missions i did on heroic

i dont have 5 marks most of the time obv, but when i do its very enjoyable

[onyx sage]

that means most of the time you're not using the build's full potential

[red island]

why not, i still hit crits

if you are vs a boss alone, you're not using the build full potential either, and its still fine

[onyx sage]

i mean, there are more single target focused nego variants

but my point is the time you take to switch between targets is the time you're not landing bullets

minimizing that time is good

[red island]

yeah ofc

but that time you're hitting 3 people while i aim at other, i multiply my damage a few seconds after that

you got more damage over a short period, i get more over a longer period

[onyx sage]

burst dmg vs sustained dmg

[red island]

yeah kinda

[onyx sage]

in a game where burst dmg is king

[red island]

it is tho ?

[onyx sage]

yeah lol

[red island]

big tanks dont really care about burst

[onyx sage]

wdym, you can kill a tank in 2 shots with enough burst dmg

they're just tankier

[red island]

i know enough burst damage can kill a tank, but the point of a tank is to survive burst damage in the first place

that mean there is no tank if you can burst everything

[onyx sage]

exactly, which proves my point that burst dmg is king

you just have to do enough

tanks aren't any exception

[red island]

oh btw i had a question about nego

when you hit a tank, which part of the armor take damage by nego ?

[onyx sage]

good question, i haven't really investigated that

[tulip charm]

It breaks chest

[red island]

only chest ?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[red island]

damn thats too bad

its probably made to simplify the talent but still

[onyx sage]

do you also know you can use a dead enemy's armor plates to spread damage to live enemies too

[red island]

oh

[onyx sage]

that's a bonus

[red island]

thats nice

[onyx sage]

cuz you can use the tank you killed with spread damage to kill other enemies

cuz only the chest is ruined

[red island]

tbh i dont use nego to hit multiple enemies liek to maximise damage, but mostly cause i like to not bother with enemies behind cover, and hit them by hitting others

i like saying to the hunters "nuh hu"

[magic pilot]

This pic was wrong on the build guide, it's been changed though

[half scroll]

ooof, gotta go back and look then

[magic pilot]

Only difference is spec change and sokolov knees

[half scroll]

i was planning to change the spec anyways lol

not a big survivalist fan

is that build solid for conflict?

[surreal depot]

what happened to the jon dream

[onyx sage]

Let's see how your eyes hold up to this!

[surreal depot]

Let's get some strobes going

[magic pilot]

Yea just swap knees to ceska

[tulip charm]

Keep?

[red island]

yes imo

[flint wave]

if only weapon handling was crit damage there

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[magic pilot]

Eh intimidate super good

Make a Hazpro build, you need one?

[tulip charm]

I wished it was a hsd roll instead of crit but I can probably make it work on a crit ver

[tulip charm]

Slide me one

[red island]

ona 6 blue core build that can be made

[tulip charm]

Also almost finished this build. Just need groupo knees and groupo wicked backpack for smg ver.