td2-build-advice

[flint wave]

What reload?

Just use 4pc hotshot

[hexed steppe]

M700 carbon and sr-1 both solid and offer best attachment points, quick reloads

I wouldn't m700 tac since its underbarrel is trash

[grim plank]

i need the nemesis then

how do i get thaat?

[hexed steppe]

project. pinned in #ask-td2-community
#ask-td2-community message

tidal is first, break adrestia mmr for 1st part then just hit all strongholds when invaded . grand washington invaded will drop the blueprint if you have 2 of the pieces. grand washington invaded is not invaded a lot so take advantage if it is

invaded manning gives a random part youre missing

[last spindle]

does negotiators one shot build really work for bosses or is that something they patched out?

[tough orbit]

anyone have a better LMG build better than this one for the DZ?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwNgtADJYExgjNKympRAXAVi6x+BmdVOY5DEOOA2WstBzYfYW0xj9bV6uz-zAXC929MUgwwQATmjx4ueNJpLWS3PRhYM43ToGMd+3ZGMCgA

[magic pilot]

@tough orbit

[shy willow]

👀

[tough orbit]

@magic pilot let me put it in the builder

@magic pilot your build does about 50k more damage at the cost of 600k armor when including unbreakable

but this is not including pvp damage which is also heavly nerf

not bad for team play, ill keep it in mind

[versed summit]

Haven’t heard of any changes to IH or DH. It doesn’t work for Incursions though.

[magic pilot]

So just run more armor?

Also the builder doesn't show wicked active

[hazy steeple]

I just love how much that sounds like someone from Boston.

[magic pilot]

Never been lol

[vestal ibex]

Still works on Boomer and boss 1+2 in IH, the only really useful nego one shots.

[peak kraken]

How much crit chance should a build have?

[wise swallow]

Kinda depends on the build but somewhere around 52-58 seems to be the best spot for most builds

[peak kraken]

Lmg

[wise swallow]

that is a gun type. Build? the actual LMG your using?

[peak kraken]

I just would like an average

[wise swallow]

thats hard to do without giving kinda meh advice

but as high as possible without sacrifice CHD for no real reason. typically 52-58

CHC * CHD. Find 2 numbers that you can get that give the highest product

[peak kraken]

I’m talking %

[wise swallow]

so am i

[peak kraken]

52?

[wise swallow]

seriously, 52% dawg

52%-58%

[peak kraken]

How about crit damage

[wise swallow]

that varies way too much for me to say

[peak kraken]

Ok

[wise swallow]

just do this

[peak kraken]

Right I got 22%

[urban latch]

youve got more than 22....

basic idea is you should be able to get 60% CHC and over 120% CHD on any build really.

more CHD the better

[tawdry flare]

That also requiress watch iirc

[solar sable]

Without watch it's around 55-115 or sum like that

[tawdry flare]

Wait who r u

Ahh naval

Recognised the gate strat

[solar sable]

I'm just another gate strat hater

and no, not naval, you could say I'm a friend of his

[hazy steeple]

The SHD watch is basically just a "normaliser" buff for your stats.

[shy willow]

The arch strat enjoyers are growing

[serene hare]

Seriously tho, how much health the named enemies have in heroic?

[versed summit]

Depends. I think it’s around 30m tho

[gentle lichen]

Way under if solo

[serene hare]

Nah, it's probably less than 25 mi.

[gentle lichen]

And depends on enemy type if sniper or heavy gunner

[devout agate]

Is this a good build for raids?

[shy willow]

Replace composure with vigilance and it's a pretty standard high end build

[wise swallow]

M1a with focus used to be very good

but yea thats pretty normal

[devout agate]

I can’t

[devout agate]

Alright

[wise swallow]

It might still be in the spreadsheet

[serene hare]

Kinda bold to use both Vigilance and Glass Cannon

[shy willow]

Spawns are mostly predictable in raids so it's pretty doable

[versed summit]

Not really.

[serene hare]

Doesn't intrigue you a possibility or playing AR, having Glass Cannon and Vigilance as talents?

A gameplay where your main objective is to take no damage?

[shy willow]

Just use a shield

gotta kill them before they kill you as always

[onyx sage]

just hit heads

[shy willow]

Easy for you to say aimbot man

[fierce garnet]

You try plugging it in with picaro instead of walker?

[tough orbit]

i have and it does less damage. thats why im keeping the walker in

[fierce garnet]

Ok

I like running it for pvp and technician. Being that support teammate. Great with jammer pulse to help more than just dps

[tough orbit]

the best support i give my team is killing the other players

[limpid pelican]

Anyone know why some might say improvised gloves > contractors for high end raid 1 shot builds?

[fierce garnet]

What 1 shot you talking about? Nego?

[limpid pelican]

Well w nego you'd just be using pgc and dch right

Im referring to high end

[fierce garnet]

For what 1 shot

[limpid pelican]

Anything you'd be high end 1 shotting and not nego obv

Improvised def are better was wondering why that is is all

[onyx sage]

aimbot can't save me from too smart AI

[fierce garnet]

Stacking heads hot damage

[shy willow]

It's the built in anticheat you see

[onyx sage]

lmao

[limpid pelican]

Crazy how 10% extra headshot dmg is better than 8% dta

Thought dta mattered more

[onyx sage]

probably due to how achilles squares your hsd multiplier making more hsd still better than 8%

i haven't calced but that's probably the reason

[limpid pelican]

Yeah that makes sense

I've just been joining random lfgs learning haha

[onyx sage]

no worries

i'm just suffering in solo zoo for the time being

trying to speed solo

[limpid pelican]

Someone asked me to do zoo recently

I definitely passed on that one

[fierce garnet]

Ya legendary are definitely more for the fun of it than getting that exotic for the weekly

[limpid pelican]

100%

[gentle lichen]

More like targeted loot

[limpid pelican]

Never understood doing a legendary for 1 exo component

[onyx sage]

i just do it for good content

turns out people love seeing other people win with stacked odds

[surreal depot]

its not tho

[urban latch]

Because someone tested on a target with a low amount of armor when they compared the two. The game will only apply dta for the amount that there is armor to apply to. So if your one shotting a boss that's basically all armor contractors will do more, but a regular ad you do +100m damage on the improvised will do more

[surreal depot]

shooting range testing i must be correct

cant be wrong

[vestal ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml

Just keep in mind these numbers are for a normal archetype enemy, heavy/rusher/medic or other types of enemies do have variations to their health including named enemies.

[cinder rock]

hi- returning player. forgot everything about builds basically. when I want a good dps build i want all gear to have max both crit attributes right? im so fucking lost lol

[versed summit]

Might help to look at some of the build guides in the pinned spreadsheet. But yeah, basically you want a 2:1 ratio of CHD:CHC until you hit 60% CHC, then all CHD.

[cinder rock]

thanks

[dense shard]

In new york i have all 13 masks, why is this one empty??

[vestal ibex]

Is this where the new manhunt mask goes?

[dense shard]

No,i defeated him yesterday and collectwd the American flag mask" liberty mask i think is called"

[vestal ibex]

well then no one knows.

[flint wave]

The hunters out there nobody solved the puzzle yet

[vapid bobcat]

hi guys whats a good tank build? im thinking of making that build ty!

[flint wave]

True patriot or blue ongoing directive with perfect vanguard and opportunistic scorpio

[fickle girder]

I got my skill build drone and turret down but they don’t show the skill mods for the drone and turret?

[vestal ibex]

Cause they aren't that important. Run damage ones if possible.

Ammo count on chem and +1 seeker are bis tho.

[fickle girder]

I’m having the hardest time getting good skill mods to drop for the striker drone and turret lol

[tulip charm]

dont worry about it

Its just min maxing stuff

[fickle girder]

That’s even running solo legendary summit floor 10s

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fickle girder]

😂

[urban latch]

Why are you doing that...

[onyx sage]

truly aspirational

[fresh grove]

Some people wanna suffer or smthing idk

[flint wave]

What the max gear mod grind does to a mf

[limpid pelican]

Got you. Ill have to swap back to contractors then and takem for a spin

[magic pilot]

Farm floor 90 like a real chad

[limpid pelican]

In almost every scenario the bosses have ridiculous amounts of armor so that makes much more sense. Whereas in the shooting range thats not the caee

[vestal ibex]

Doing one shots for fun or for speeds?

[limpid pelican]

Mainly for fun in lfg raids. Every now and again I hop in for speeds

Almost impossible to find people trying to nego boomer on console. Usually just double downs etc etc

[vestal ibex]

I mean you aren't finding one shot attepmts on PC much unless it's organized really. For boomer**

[limpid pelican]

Yeah idk what my point in saying that was, moreso I've yet to attempt that and kinda want to learn it

[vestal ibex]

It's got so much coordination' and team work.

[limpid pelican]

Exactly yeah

[vestal ibex]

That's good shit tho. Got your achilleas expertise way up?

[limpid pelican]

I've slapped 20 on it so far. Gone on a hiatus from the dz, so ive gotta get back in there to finish it up

[vestal ibex]

Just so you know it doesn't matter who marks but your personal expertise applies when shooting that mark.

[limpid pelican]

Ohhhh okay okay that's sweet to know

It's been fun learning all the mechanics though. Still got a lot to improve on but it's been a good time

Picked up the game relatively late so my first run-in with endgame pve was the incursion

[vestal ibex]

Yeah there are a ton of little things to learn that you wouldn't expect when speed running. Makes the game MUCH more interesting.

[limpid pelican]

For sure. I enjoy hopping in random lfgs where things aren't as given. Forces me to step up and get out of my ad killer comfort zone lol

Then again at this point, there usually ends up being quite a few super experienced people so it never goes too bad

[pulsar hound]

Even if a team is fully coordinated oneshotting boomer would still require luck in critting

[magic pilot]

That's honestly the easiest part tbh

Nothing you can do for it besides make sure the crit cap is met

[pulsar hound]

Fair enough. Still a deciding factor in whether the oneshot will work or not.

[urban latch]

One shotting boomer is just such a pain to setup properly people only bother with it in speedruns.

So any non-crit is a reset anyways

[wind hare]

anyone knows how to get the exotic memento backpack?

[onyx sage]

farm backpack targeted loot in countdown

[tulip charm]

Get lucky farming backpack

[devout agate]

I need help making a DZ/conflict build for ouro high end

[opal peak]

i saw several people lately with a true patriot build, is that a thing ? any true patriot build advice ? what people are using that for ?

[wise swallow]

for the 88th time

youve been given several builds to try

how many times are you gonna ask dawg

[vestal ibex]

moar

[devout agate]

I haven’t been given a high end build just strikers with ouro

[urban latch]

You'll see every possible build under the sun in pvp, doesn't mean they make sense to run

[opal peak]

it was actually in pve, but point taken, so it's not worth my time to look into it, thanks for the reply

[urban latch]

Same thing in pve lol

[opal peak]

im trying to improve my healing build, is the perfect opportunistic talent exclusive to "the setup" backpack or you can also get it on a alps one ? (reading the guide they're talking about both but im not sure)

[vestal ibex]

Setup is better by far. The extra healing doesn't really help cause you already have such a high repair skill % already.

[opal peak]

great, thanks for the reply, is there a way to farm it ?

[hexed steppe]

do a couple heroic control points. the blueprint drops from the cache on completes

setup and closer afaik, unless its been patched out

[vestal ibex]

Uzina TL in countdown, or try what local said, idr what named BPs are in those boxes anymore.

Btw that BP will drop as loot from the CP reward box.

[hexed steppe]

with the rolls needed its good being able to craft and optimize.. saves the sacrifices for really hard to get loot]

[vestal ibex]

I mean you could run it with no correct stat and it would still be good.

[opal peak]

i see thanks for the tips, im going to try and farm that one to increase that healing build even further

[vestal ibex]

Also it should be noted that the FI build we are talking about doesn't serve so much to heal but healing is the by product of keeping the FI buff up which is what you really want. You wanna buff the hell out of your team mates.

[dense shard]

Are there certain items that level up your expertise by ALOT? i barely go up with a few points..

[opal peak]

yes of course, hence why im trying to get that perfect opportunistic to get even more buffs hehe

[hexed steppe]

donating weapons. weapons is a huge wall to get through

[vestal ibex]

Yeah buy named weapons and items from vendors every week, have you crafted and donated the improvised items yet?

[hexed steppe]

should also craft up and/or use improvised gear

[onyx sage]

use them with ninjabike

[dense shard]

Improvised? Whats that

[hexed steppe]

The true cost of proficiency to hit expertise 25
(usage obviously lowers cost)

weapons - 4380 donated items - 65,700 shd points - 657,000 printer filament.
named/ exo - 1380 donated items - 20,700 shd - 207,000 printer filament.
brandsets - 2900 donation items - 8700 shd - 87,000 printer filament.
gear sets - 1900 donated items - 5700 shd - 57,000 printer filament.
skills/spec -no donations - 14,100 shd - 141,000 printer filament

this will have to be updated next season

its gear that can take a mod, but not have a brandset.

[vestal ibex]

Craftable gear, no brand bonus but every item has a mod slot. Usually used for PFE tanks.

[dense shard]

Yeah, i just donate everything i have but it barely goes up

[vestal ibex]

That's how it goes once you hit like 15ish

[dense shard]

So best items to donate is named and improvised?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its 20 per

same with weapons

[vestal ibex]

You just need to be diligent and go around and buy/donate named items from vendors cause that helps a lot.

[hexed steppe]

if you focus your target loot on weapons it will give the biggest bang

[dense shard]

Best farm? Countdown with ar Tarheted loot and then buy named caches with the points?

[opal peak]

interesting tips

[hexed steppe]

you can use scavenging points > cash > buy named weekly. its 30shd to max out a named item

[vestal ibex]

Can use the current GE to wear items too if you use a HH build.

[hexed steppe]

it would be 227shd for mods>printer filament per proficient, or 300shd>direct pf to donate an item proficient

[dense shard]

I use hotshot and striker

[vestal ibex]

You can use a chainkiller and a determined D50 and put all random gear/skills on tho.

[hexed steppe]

make sure you use off hand weapons /pistols that are not proficient

[dense shard]

What is the " shd" ur talking about? I am shade level 260

[dense shard]

Yws

[hexed steppe]

youll need much more than that. the shd refers to scavenging points. right now youve only earned around 52

once you get higher shd there is a method of duplicating the watch and all the scavenging points, at around 1500 youll be able to take advantage of this better

[vestal ibex]

The other thing about expertise is that it doesn't fucking matter. If you wanna sprint for it you'll be exo poor and you'd be better off farming builds/SHD until later.

[dense shard]

How high are we talking ab? And is it bannable?

[vestal ibex]

Nothing we talked about is shady or bannable.

[hexed steppe]

no, not bannable. the return on shd is 20% of shd is scavenging if below 1000. after shd1000 you return total shd-800 (these are the other watch category points)

[dense shard]

I just bought 8 chainkillwr from the vendor but cant donate?

[vestal ibex]

I've done almost all of my expertise level naturally and I'm about to hit 24 and I'm like 5500 SHD. It takes time yo.

[vestal ibex]

Probably already proficient.

[hexed steppe]

if an item has a shield on it its already proficient

but to echo what Souless said, no rush, its not a huge gamechanger... its more min max stuff to keep people busy in late endgame

[dense shard]

Ahhh oki thx

[opal peak]

yeah same here i don't worry much about it, i donate stuff that i get gradually

[dense shard]

Could u link me with that? Can't find it after typing in duplicating watch glitch

[dense shard]

Ah oki idk i am only expertise 2 and felt i was a bit low

[opal peak]

yeah me too im quite low

[hexed steppe]

its not a glitch. all you do is creat a new agent, boost to 30, complete wony like you did to get the first watch. once that is complete you get a watch matching your main agen shd

the thing that makes it valuable is being able to delete the alt agent after watch is drained and repeat as many times as you need depending on your resource need

resources are shared across all alts (not including hardcore )

[opal peak]

so you get a watch that is basically full of point but reset and then you can invest all into getting the watch mats like shd ?

[hexed steppe]

a watch that is matching your main, with no scavenging points spent yet

[opal peak]

dang that's interesting lol

[dense shard]

Oooh sweet

So if i delete the alt the points transfer

[hexed steppe]

it takes around 2 hrs to run, maybe longer if solo and not used to it.

[dense shard]

Why is it better and more effective at shd 1500?

[opal peak]

because the watch is maxed, so the "clone" is also

[hexed steppe]

no, you have to spend the points on resources for your main to be able to benefit from them

[dense shard]

Oohh got it

[hexed steppe]

its 2+ hrs,
right now if you ran it , you would get 50 scavenging . so 25shd/hr

at 1500 youll get 700 scavenging, so 350shd/hr

[teal horizon]

you need to buy the shared blueprint item from inaya

[hexed steppe]

thats why its more beneficial to wait till higher for repeat runs. i definitely advocate for have all alts created as you climb tho. any gains you make on main will be reflected on any alt shd watch. youll have access to 4x projects if all created, 4x hitting material areas like solar farm, 4x chances at raid and incursion boxes... 450 extra storage space as well

[dense shard]

I see so not worth much rn

[teal horizon]

wait extra space?

[hexed steppe]

each alt has 150 backpack space

[teal horizon]

oh nvm

[hexed steppe]

shared stash

[teal horizon]

i read that as incursion boxes giving extra space lol

i was about to login and start doing it

[hexed steppe]

oh 😆

[teal horizon]

150 is not enough :<

[opal peak]

sadly we are still stuck at meager 300 stash space ahah

[teal horizon]

idk why they don't increase it

[opal peak]

they said it's because it would make the server unstable with databases requests / save integrity and stuff like they maxxed the engine

[teal horizon]

they should introduce clan storage then

[opal peak]

my take would probably be also that they try to keep the server cost low or a little of both, without being inside who knows

[vestal ibex]

Y'all all hoarders.

[peak sphinx]

Got 4 characters but only use 1 other 3 are just for shd point (empty backpacks aswell) and im only 249 stash and 102 backpack on main.... 😅

[hexed steppe]

900 total with all agents created.

[lavish grail]

does the bluescreen really have perfect stability? @ me to reply

[magic pilot]

Depends on the build and watch

Handling will change it

[mossy dirge]

Ive combined 3 gila guard, 1belstone,2 golan, my armor regen is 114,9 so i wonder when golan gets 2 armor regen, instead of 1,5

[magic pilot]

Wdym? @mossy dirge

Make sure your armor and watch for armor is maxed since it's % based

[mossy dirge]

Yup im 4500 shd level,

[magic pilot]

What were you saying about Golan?

[mossy dirge]

Golan had 1 % armor regen, now it has 1,5. Wonder when it gets 2 % armor regen. 3 Gila guard had 1% armor regen but has 2 now. Belstone has 1 armor regen.

[magic pilot]

That was from project resolve

Some brands got buffed. Don't think they will change it again

[serene hare]

Ok, facing the 2 hunters in summit heroic is making me slightly super stressed.

[serene hare]

Finally.

Now that I noticed that I lost my displayed exotic weapons after deconstructing them, ffs

[viscid estuary]

for a firewall striker build, do folk usually take the "extracellular matrix mesh" talent in firewall? i'm not finding it to be very useful.

[shy willow]

Which ones that

[viscid estuary]

200% armor over time

[shy willow]

Everyone takes that

It's probably the best armor kit

If your tree is maxed you take it anyway

[rich lotus]

Can anybody tell me if the 15% outgoing healing from Survivalist applies to Pointman and Lavoisier’s bonus armour or just from healing skills?

[versed summit]

Those aren’t really healing so I can’t imagine that being applicable

[grim birch]

I am using bullet king for my striker build what’s the best third attribute for bullet king?

[dull ermine]

Crit chance

Does razorback weakpoints get affected by damage to armor (contractors)?

[urban latch]

The weakpoints are "armor plating" so they take damage to health and are affected by the ravenous as well

[opal peak]

for a FI healing build how much skill haste you want to have, i currently have 85%, do i need to try and go look for 100% ?

[magic pilot]

That should be fine with btsu

[opal peak]

great thanks

[hushed saddle]

I've always wondered if it's better to have a critical hit chance or critical hit damage.

[tulip charm]

Huh you need both

[glossy scarab]

the closer you are to 60 chc the higher your dps will be. so having like 45% chc and a whole bunch of chd is not the way to go

[hushed saddle]

[glossy scarab]

on a crit build i mean

[hushed saddle]

59% chc is the way?

[wise swallow]

59.8 is optimal

59.9 too much 59.7 too little

[glossy scarab]

you can use coyotes mask to put yourself at 50 chc and get the mid range bonus from coyotes, if you're gonna play at 15+ meter range

if its not a whole number i don't like it

[flint tiger]

hey is this optimal for a drone build?

kinda tired of a full red build and wanna try something else

[tulip charm]

Its not

[dense shard]

Does anyone have a heartbreaker spreadsheet

[opal peak]

you need +X skills for skills build you want to reach 6 level to have maximum damage for your skills, i suppose you could have one piece of gear that doesn't have it if you play technician because you have +1 to skills inherently with the specialization (if i remember correctly)

[flint tiger]

👍

ill look more into it ty

[solar sable]

@dense shard I @ you last time but it didn't embed, so here they are

[dense shard]

No catharsis?

[solar sable]

Those come from the spreadsheet so, idk

[wise swallow]

who uses catharsis with HB

[dense shard]

Yt guide from a guy called" coldbwoyy

[solar sable]

please don't use yt builds, those are mostly click bait

[wise swallow]

What was his reasoning for catharsis

[patent fossil]

catharsis is only good if you're running 6 blue cores and plan on getting shot a lot

mostly a pvp thing

[wise swallow]

yea being a bullet sponge while sacrificing dmg untill your almost dead is its strength

[dense shard]

I am running 6 blue

[urban latch]

Cold is primarily a pvper for context

[dense shard]

But this is all red cores, where is the survivability?

[wise swallow]

bonus armour from HB

shoot people and you stay alive

[urban latch]

You can run whatever amount of armor cores you feel you need

Goes for basically any build in the spreadsheet.

But generally speaking red cores are going to be better

[dense shard]

Okay bc my dps was kinda low

What small red cores? All CHC AND CHD?

60% CHC at least?

Also spreadsheet for hunters fury ?

[wise swallow]

its all in the spreadsheeet

just go to builds tab

[opal peak]

overall in the build sheet i don't see any of those news sets i saw when coming back to the game like the aegis one, are they just not good compared to the oldies goldies ?

[wise swallow]

aegis straight up doesnt work

so theres really no point

I think the only one missing is hotshot

[urban latch]

I don't bother making guides for sets I think are worthless, or at least extremely niche

So no TP, tips, aces, etc

[wise swallow]

Cavalier is basically PVP only (itll be in the guide as soon as @magic pilot lazy ass updates it)

[dense shard]

U didn't link me anything just a screenshot

[wise swallow]

Cavalier needs a big write up with it too cuz you have to flex it alot

and theres a few niche ways to run it like cavahealer

[wise swallow]

check pins

its the first thing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1380412817

bookmark it on browser or something

[dense shard]

Oh okk

[opal peak]

yes of course, so basically anything new is shit ahah, thanks for the answer

[urban latch]

We haven't had a good new gearset since hotshot really

[opal peak]

gotcha, haven't played in nearly 2 years, trying to catch up !

[urban latch]

There's definitely been some stuff in the past two years though

[opal peak]

yes the catching up isn't easy, trying to sort out the good from the garbage ahah

[dense shard]

Is st elmo good in huntwrs fury? Most people say a smg is better but i feel like my lady death sucks

[solar sable]

You could use banshee. I mainly use Scorpio for HF to kill Rogues in LZ

[dense shard]

Banshee better than st elmo? In hunters fury?

And lady death not good or something ?

[dense shard]

It's for pve btw

[solar sable]

LZ stands for Light Zone aka Open world.

[dense shard]

Okayy

And lady death isn't good? I don't understand why banshee or scorpio is better

[solar sable]

Scorpio for HF is pretty good since it gives some Shotgun dmg. You pair it with banshee and you got a good setup there.
I also don't know why these are better than LD itself, but that doesn't mean you give up on lady death in the meantime

[dense shard]

And ourobouras is better than banshee ?

[patent fossil]

yes, higher base dps

[dense shard]

Wish i had it

[patent fossil]

Elmo is great at longer ranges because of its stability & accuracy, but at short range you don't really need those so might as well pick something with better damage

[urban latch]

Ouro is one of the best weapons in the game, and honestly a bit OP.

Lady death is in a weird spot. It's talent requires movement, and it has a low base damage. If your constantly moving and targets have low health (lower difficulties) it can be one of the quickest weapons through. But on higher difficulties the low damage per mag shows and the talent is less effective

[dense shard]

Yes i notices the low dmg per mag 😗

[wise swallow]

I just like the zoom after kill

Find it amusing

[dense shard]

Banshee is a normal drop from countdown aswell? Or is it a named item

[patent fossil]

just a regular smg, can drop from anywhere

[fathom thunder]

What’s the gear product for rifles?

[wise swallow]

overlord

[patent fossil]

Coming next season (although from PTS reports it's not especially strong)

Oh, I was thinking gearset

[dense shard]

What talent for ur weapons?

[hearty cloak]

im honestly not sure what im cooking anymore and if i should even be allowed to

[tulip charm]

My lawyer has advice me to not say anything.

[solar sable]

sorry for the late response, I usually run on the SMG, Strained

[hexed steppe]

whats the goal? it doesnt seem like it can do a whole lot... a couple changes can make it more of a skill damage/dps type setup

im leaning towards it being more for expertise than use

[hearty cloak]

its kind of and explosive tech support using Proxy and Combustor from the Steelworks set, but i can only see it being useful if im fighting in a hallway or something, i could always switch some of the skills with other thrown set skills like hive

[hexed steppe]

i would maybe focus on 1 of the new talents. that way you can get a damage buff and have a broader usage. explosive delivery can probably pair with a mortar/hive combo quite well. you wont be able to use glass, but can still get it pretty high damage. china could then buff talent and skills. i would only keep one of the palisades tho.
run china/wyvern tech support or shock and awe,
or china/hanna force multiplier,
or china bag PS&A/btsu gloves for an oc from time to time

[opal glade]

Is there any alternative for a classic red build for (non automatic) Rifles?
Something less glass cannon

[wise swallow]

reroll the GC to obliterate

instead of 3 prov use ceska, gropo and picarios (if using PGC)

[opal glade]

whats PGC?

[wise swallow]

Perfect glass cannon

named prov chest

[fresh grove]

Tl;dr you do 30% more damage but take 60% more damage

[wise swallow]

so in total
ceska, groupo, picarios, contractors (if you need more CHC use walker ig), foxes, coyotes

[wise swallow]

I have a god rolled version

[opal glade]

Yea the perfect glass cannon i already use with my classic red build
i just wasnt aware of the "pgc" abbrevation

mh Obliterate really doesnt look much like a Rifle talent

[wise swallow]

gc = glass cannon
pgc = perfect class cannon

[magic pilot]

obliterate is fine with rifles

[wise swallow]

im stupid sorry use spotter

[opal glade]

i mean Rifles not Assaultrifles

[wise swallow]

could use focus if your used to using scopes for a long period of time

[magic pilot]

yes i know

conflict smg @urban latch

[opal glade]

mhm perfect spotter is something i like but rarely used

[wise swallow]

Just use spotter then. Make sure your using tech spec and the tech laser

[opal glade]

are there good support build centered around ...i dont know somethinng like a scout - pulsing stuff and such?

[wise swallow]

no

pretty useless imma be honest

[opal glade]

yea thought so :/ a shame tho i really like the pulse mechanic

does perfect spotter buff me or debuff the target?

[wise swallow]

you

you dont have to use perfect spotter

[versed summit]

Is Matador worth taking here?

[wise swallow]

eh

metador doesnt really make a massive difference

the extra 5% from soko makes a bigger difference

[versed summit]

I figured trading Grupo would be the optimal trade, but I'll see what the numbers are tho. I only have the pieces to run it with Matador myself lol.

[magic pilot]

Matador or grupo

[white cipher]

anybody got a good conflict build?

[magic pilot]

^

@white cipher

[devout agate]

Can you show the stats

[versed summit]

CHC/CHD everywhere CHD on the named pieces

[solar sable]

He wants the Stats tab. Not the attributes.

[serene hare]

That's a cool looking CMMG Banshee

I think this build looks kinda neat now.

Extended clips makes it to clip through it's slot.

[magic pilot]

It's like 60/175

[cyan drift]

someone give me a core and a brand set, and I'll try to make it not terrible

[shy willow]

5.11 yellow cores

[hazy steeple]

Airaldi but blue.

[cyan drift]

I wish I could use MMRs with the crusader shield, every day

[shy willow]

The anti habs

[hazy steeple]

I admit, I'm still slightly annoyed that it took me almost 2 years to realise that it was Airaldi and not Arialdi.

the latter just flows so much better!

[cyan drift]

there's a tank in world of tanks called a Semovente and I called it a Sermovente for 2+ years

there has never been an R there

nor is there an R in it, anywhere

anyway, blue airaldi 🤔

[serene hare]

I THOUGHT IT WAS ARIALDI TOO

Man, that shit bugs my sight.

"Airaldi" sounds so wrong.

I wanna punch Airaldi in the face.

[shy willow]

Wait till you get load of the new brand set on the PTS

[cyan drift]

1 piece aok

[serene hare]

Speaking of now, what is that new exotic that you get from the Descendant?

How do I get it?

Do I need to complete that entire shit or is RNG on random enemies?

[glossy scarab]

cool. i'll keep it

[cyan drift]

complete enough rooms to earn currency

after enough rooms, you can buy it for said currency

I think it's 4/5 nemesis fights?

[shy willow]

Time for a collector build

[serene hare]

I haven't fought one lol

[shy willow]

Do all easy rooms to get the most heat and fight nemesis

[glossy scarab]

yep, another grupo, festive delivery

[shy willow]

But take boss rooms if you see any

[cyan drift]

2x 5.11 with yellow cores can work as a healer tank

[shy willow]

Can go further to rack up more NSA tech or go again to get reconstructed caches faster

[shy willow]

5.11 is the pinnacle of multi purpose

[cyan drift]

I'm down to try blue airaldi though, curious how this could go

[shy willow]

Sawyers about to come in clutch

[cyan drift]

I'm one of the few people I know who already unironically uses sawyers sometimes, so I'm moderately familar with it

the trouble is that habsburg entirely obsoleted airaldi unfortunately

[urban latch]

Yeah but you use all sorts of shit unironically

[cyan drift]

:3

[urban latch]

Lol

[cyan drift]

sawyers is mostly because explosions can eat my shorts

[shy willow]

In theory sure but muh rng

It sucks

[cyan drift]

I have a feeling this is going to be another laser tag build

where it's just running around like an idiot, shouting "OVER HERE"

I can't tell if this looks better or worse than the cardboard gun meme

besides the scope, I like it

[shy willow]

Definitely a glow up

[cyan drift]

@hazy steeple how many blue airaldi pieces do I need for this

I feel like only one is moderately cheating

[hazy steeple]

I'd say full 6 eventually, but start on 3,

[cyan drift]

full 6? oh god

I feel like all 6 of a brand set would be slightly past a challenge

and I'm assuming the NBB would be cheating, since I could get a full gear set with it

[hazy steeple]

If you can get 6 blues to work with 3 of them being airaldi (nbb included), I'll take it.

[serene hare]

@hazy steeple There's a way to report this to Massive/Ubisoft?

It's weird how the 10 bullets clip is bigger than the 20 bullets clip.

[hazy steeple]

There's a link to the support tickets over in #unofficial-troubleshooting > 📌. Outside of that try and tag them on twitter.

[glossy scarab]

mp7 is pretty nice with a bigger mag but im using swap chain for now. i wish the buff lasted 10 seconds not 5 cuz it'd be a much more viable talent

[cyan drift]

if you can chain some kills together, it's super busted

but that's a really specific situation

[serene hare]

Jesus, I swear to God I was testing it right now before seeing this video.

I have a perfect Swap Chain

Dammit, I need a Banshee with Strained, for some reason it looks like my Banshee doesn't deal the damage I was expecting.

My AUG A3 is my most damaging SMG.

[glossy scarab]

nice me too i have an mp7 but the talent is stuck in sledge

[serene hare]

Damn, why everytime I try to tweak my build, some weapons that was busted gets weaker and others that are kinda mid gets so dumb strong?

My Chatterbox is ridiculous now.

And my Banshee got weaker.

And this build should make it stronger, look:

I have to make my Banshee to kill a named heroic in 1 clip without the need of a extended clip.

I mean, it would be possible already if it had Strained, but it have Fast Hands.

[dull ermine]

I use it whenever I’m being bum rushed by multiple ads, nothing will do it better bc you basically have a chatterbox

[hexed steppe]

switch fox's for coyote mask. youll be proccing close buff most of the time considering both your weapons types are close range.
short buff from coyote is +25%chd*\ (corrected)

[tawdry flare]

I use swap chain with sleipner

[glossy scarab]

its ptobably the most laser beam weapon in the game when the talent is up

unless you're past smg range. then its useless anyway cuz dmg drop off

oh wait swap chain extends optimal range too right?

[versed summit]

doesn't feel like it tbh. Optimal range isn't affected by Handling.

Outsider buffs the optimal though.

[glossy scarab]

i just vaguely remember reading about some talent that does that and i thought it was unwavering

ohhh yea i conflated ousider and unwavering

[versed summit]

yeah they're kinda similar

[tawdry flare]

No

[glossy scarab]

it has already been decided

about two lines up

[dense shard]

Best smg talemt for huntwrs fury?

[patent fossil]

Rule them all

(if you don't have ouroboros then probably strained or fast hands)

[dense shard]

Okii thx

[glossy scarab]

preservation is pretty ok too with banshee bc that gun is plenty strong on its own without a dmg talent. so long as you have a good build

oh wait this is about HF. doesnt rly need preservation

[dense shard]

I'll run strained then

[versed summit]

Banshee without fast hands is kinda crap IMO. It has crazy burst damage, but it has such a bad reload.

[glossy scarab]

yeah its a kinda sluggish

strikers helps a small bit

i was running iron lung with strikers with perfect braced on the chest for the 50% (maybe?) handling as well as 2pc petrov (15% handling) and strikers for another 15% handling. the reload bonus was awesome. makes the weapon so much more useable

[onyx sage]

no

[opal peak]

does it exist some kind of hybrid support build that bring multiples interesting things on the table without being top tier in those things, like healing + armor bonus + debuff/buff + regen etc... for you and teammates ?

[hexed steppe]

Future initiative (regular or red) or cc eclipse, both with with opportunistic/scorpio, lefty/stageleft/sledgehammer pistol.
Fortunately either is pretty good at multiple things.

Both with survivalist*

[opal peak]

yeah im already running survivalist FI with scorp/lefty sledge and backpack opportunistic

but i was wondering if there was something a little less "healy" and bring othre stuff like mates protection by amping their armor or stuff

[hexed steppe]

Do the eclipse. You can lock everything down while using the same type of buffs from the weapons.
Fi really is the best for giving them damage tho.
Red fi is a possibility

[opal peak]

i'll look into that, thanks

[onyx sage]

blue striker/OD with opportunistic and vanguard

[opal peak]

interesting, would you happens to have such a build somewhere in a document/link ? i don't see well how you would mount up such a build, would that be something like backpack with opportunistic, vanguard chest + 4 strikers (what's OD btw ? ) and with blue mods like armor/life something so it means no healing power just armor buffs ? and from where your team "buffing" would come ? just from the vanguard/opportunistic ?

[onyx sage]

OD is ongoing directive

and yes, no healing, just bonus armor buff + enemy damage taken debuff, and you also do damage

yes, vanguard/opportunistic + scorpio, scorpio is key to making the builds work

[opal peak]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=ab467bd9-bf13-4346-2df4-3f78505343e1&noteKey=acd6f7b3c392f50e82763fe08baf147c&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fab467bd9-bf13-4346-2df4-3f78505343e1%2Facd6f7b3c392f50e82763fe08baf147c&title=Ongoing%2BDirective%2B%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

so something like that with maybe a pointman chest for the perfect vanguard and bonus armor

and a the setup for backpack with perfect opportunistic ?

[onyx sage]

if you are getting kills too (which is very likely) consider getting uzina chest with vanguard too for 2p uzina 10% aok (since you run the setup as well)

try to get the setup with armor + double crit, it's considerably easier than full yellow setup

[opal peak]

got it so the setup with perfect opportunistic and the uzina chest with a vanguard on it, got it

great thanks for the tips look like an interesting support build

what kind of mod do you runs on armors when you do such build, i presume all blue, armor/armor regen / life? or do i need to do a hybrid and keep some CHC/CHD to do some kills myself ?

[onyx sage]

no, all crit

[opal peak]

ok noted, and from where do i get the armor amount when i vanguard share it, from the core attributes of the gear ?

[onyx sage]

yes, your total armor

[opal peak]

i see

so something like that ?

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EzC0FZQBlMEZqJsprkC5w0mMAWUOYBFUtJTBHWUAgZgE5yyX0B2GmMF559EToJ7CKA7kN4io-OgA5EDDnHAJldQuHjgCrKZPR7h7dI1Bt5s9Wyatg6vDDzzhQA

[versed summit]

no armor regen.

[opal peak]

crit chance/damage instead ?

alright, thanks a bunch

[glossy scarab]

im trying to see if 6 red cores, 6 skill tiers and 1 armor core when it comes to capacitor and skill damage

wait its only 5 skill tiers unless im holding the kard custom

[opal peak]

if you are technician you get +1 skills from the skill tree

[serene hare]

Most of the times you gotta use SMG from very close, it makes no sense to use Coyote's when you can put the Grupo and Ceska or Grupo to get crit buffs directly.

For ARs, Coyote is a must have.

My build is doing fine, but I'm challenging myself to make that build to kill a heroic names in 1 clip without the need of Strained or extended clips.

Looks like I'll have to stick inside the DZ for a very long time first, like a very very very long time.

[hexed steppe]

are you sure you are not over chc though? 60/100 seems fairly low from the build you posted

[serene hare]

I'm at 58 or exactly 60.

58, actually.

I retweaked my build, still not what I want with this weapon.

It is good, but I want it to be perfect.

Like my sniper build is.

I feel like something that will, surely, help tons, it the max weapon damage and chd from SHD.

I just need more 500 level ups or something.

[hexed steppe]

itll only give you 20%. with an elmo setup iut can hit 52/173 (this is assuming coyote ceska). your smg should be producing more chc so i feel like your chd should be higher than current. like 149ish

[versed summit]

You lose a lot taking ninjabike and the 2 palisade pieces.

[serene hare]

Still makes no sense

You cannot hit them properly from distance using SMGs.

Unless if I use Swap Chain, of course.

[hexed steppe]

no coyote on smg is only for short buff. not mid. but im past that tbh, im thinking rolls could be off and not what they could be even missing the watch chd

[serene hare]

Wait, the buff is 25% crit damage

'-'

[glossy scarab]

yeah its terrible actually. but somehow it still crits like 650k for body crits. replacing the palisades is just a no brainer, the skill tier isnt doing that much without any skill dmg on the build

[hexed steppe]

you would have a better time with memento 💯

[serene hare]

It, it is definitely working better.

Still, sometimes it still doesn't kill.

I still needing more damage.

[hexed steppe]

what are the actual body and head crits youre seeing

[serene hare]

This DPS is interesting, but I don't wanna use the shield.

I mean, not depend of the shield to get damage.

[hexed steppe]

turn on damage numbers on text and send those, the range dps is bs and not very accurate. actual crits mean more

[serene hare]

I wanna this DPS as consistently as possible, and the only way to achieve this is to get the max weapon damage, I think.

[serene hare]

In great resume, killing the heroic named in 33 bullets or less.

[brisk barn]

that means nothing

[hexed steppe]

again, actual crit numbers mean something

[serene hare]

My stacked crit damage from close range is 830000

[serene hare]

It means to me.

[hexed steppe]

this is how to turn them on

[brisk barn]

I can kill it with 0 bullets 😎

And one very spicy grenade

[versed summit]

IMO the skill tiers are fine, but stacking into those pieces for the skill tier is not worth it ninjabike or not IMO

[serene hare]

I'll not argue with you, so whatever.

[hexed steppe]

no worries. 830k isnt that bad considering the chd thats missing atm... itll go up. elmo setup can hit around 1-1.3mil on a standard setup depending on expertise upgrades. some of the other highend ar have higher damage as well

[serene hare]

I think I'll go to DZ with Chatterbox to test a thing.

7.9s is impressive to me, atm.

[hexed steppe]

try this type of setup if you want to do some weird hybrid shit. was actually pretty decent when i ran it around for a bit. just use your own core mix if you want more red cores. link has numbers i was seeing with both weapons and no memento stacks
#td2-build-advice message

90-120% 110-140 skill damage with cap/mem stacked. short buff pushes to 120 140 max on pickups

• i forgot about empress

[glossy scarab]

yeah thats much better. i usually run 3 empress and then kinda freestyle the rest

what the FCK. ive had 2 pairs of deathgrips disappear on me in the past hour

just gone from the inventory after i looked at them

[versed summit]

Should’ve had a deathgrip on them

[wanton hornet]

badumtiss

[glossy scarab]

i dont care about those anyway though bc a palisades pc does the same thing and has 2 attributes. deathgrips have one fixed attribute

[versed summit]

Yeah death grips is very much dead grips after palisade was introduced.

[devout agate]

Would I be better off using contractors gloves or two piece sokolov

[wise swallow]

generally contractors

unless for whatever reason (watch level or just not great rolls yet) it may be a better idea to use the second soko (for the extra CHC)

[versed summit]

with the roles on this it really looks like it could use ceska tbh

[wise swallow]

it doesnt need ceska

[brisk barn]

Considering that there’s a yellow attribute on those gloves and that it’s ouro, I think they’re better off with contractors

[wise swallow]

18% CHC from gear 21% from SMG 10% from mods 10% from watch.
59 CHC total

thats assuming contractors

[devout agate]

im at 40% chc

[wise swallow]

so if you missing 4% from watch and another 3-4% from not perfect rolls go ceska or soko

[devout agate]

157 chd with two pice sokolov

[brisk barn]

What’s this 10% from mods coming from

[wise swallow]

ouro weapon mod

[brisk barn]

Oh

[wise swallow]

yea but thats assuming perfect rolls

[brisk barn]

They’re at 40% CHC 😔

[wise swallow]

soko is probably the better choice since it gives you a buffer for bad rolls

[wise swallow]

missing CHC on the gloves backpack and mask it seems

[wise swallow]

what pieces dont have CHC

[brisk barn]

These rolls are terrible actually
Assuming worst roles on ouro it’s like 16 I think + 15 from 2nd pc is already 30/40 of their CHC

[devout agate]

mask gloves

[wise swallow]

yea it seems really missed rolled lol

[devout agate]

and knee pads

[wise swallow]

kneepads should be CHD

[devout agate]

yea they are

[brisk barn]

Aye karumba

[devout agate]

holster is also chd with weapon dmg

[wise swallow]

good

atleast you get that down

[devout agate]

i donmt have a really good matador

should i change it to ceska with adrenaline rush?

[wise swallow]

dont use metador then

yea thats a good choice

[devout agate]

whats a good backpack to use then

or i can switch it to sokolov and gloves back to contractors?

[wise swallow]

yep contractors

[devout agate]

alr

so two piece sokolov then

[brisk barn]

Perfect wicked incoming?

[wise swallow]

that or soko and groupo

doesnt matter either fine

[devout agate]

i got soko grupo rn

[wise swallow]

thats good then

[devout agate]

also should i chane my chest to armor?

or keep it red?

[wise swallow]

if possible yes

take a screeshot of the build currently

just wanna make sure

[devout agate]

here

[wise swallow]

updated

with the changes we just made

[devout agate]

switch gloves to contractors, switch backpack to sokolov with adrenaline rush?

[wise swallow]

also is this gonna be used for conflict or DZ or both

[devout agate]

y

both

using them for both

[wise swallow]

you said it was ceska?

[devout agate]

No

[devout agate]

this is the current build without any changes

[wise swallow]

yes

[devout agate]

im gonna replace the gloves with contractors and backpack to sokolov

[wise swallow]

yes

[devout agate]

then change the chest to blue core

right?

[wise swallow]

dont change it yet repost build after changing gloves and backpack

[devout agate]

alright

[devout agate]

also crit hit dmg on contractors? or chc

[wise swallow]

CHD

[devout agate]

gotcha

[cyan drift]

@hazy steeple did you suggest blue airaldi just because it's worse habsburg 🤣

[serene hare]

Do Eagle Bearer, Iron Lung and Bullet King have any use or can I discard those without remorse?

[devout agate]

How much CHD and CHC will I be around when I get the build finished

[versed summit]

Eagle Bearer is worth keeping because of how much of a pain it can be to get. Iron Lung is good and Bullet King can be useful. I’d hold onto at least one of each.

[wise swallow]

Eagle is quite good

why do people hate eagle

Disliking eagle is fine but Ive never seen anyone ask if its useless

[versed summit]

Crappy handling and dodgy talent for PvE. It can slap for PvP tbf tho

[tawdry raven]

finally, expertise 20 chameleon

[solar sable]

there's no way...

[serene hare]

Idk, it feels unusual

Fucked all my stock of carbon optimizing my Banshee

It will be worth in the end.

[shy willow]

EB goes hard

Pseudo tanking and great dps

[magic pilot]

...

[shy willow]

And style points

[tawdry raven]

i was hoping you'd see it lol

[magic pilot]

At least you are doing everything to 20 and not just that one

[shy willow]

Maybe one day cham will get a freak buff and the joke will be on us

[brisk barn]

Bullet King sees specific niche use cases in some raid strategies
Magicless sniper alley
Alphabet in Williams
And depending on your run leader in DH, Buddy Lucy
Just to name a few

[shy willow]

Sniper alley BK got voided with oxi right

[brisk barn]

Most people do oxi yeah

[tawdry raven]

they're making the talent on the diamondback better, itd be cool if they reduced the hits needed for the buffs on chameleon, or make it so u can refresh the duration with additional hits or make it stack like strikers

[brisk barn]

But if nobody can do magic then it’s back to BK

[shy willow]

Ye

[shy willow]

Ehh hardly

It didn't get any better per se just got slightly more usable

[brisk barn]

Sometimes I have raid leaders insist I don’t do magic actually and it hurts my soul

[shy willow]

But yeah chameleon needs love

[versed summit]

How does Oxi work there?

[shy willow]

What why😭

[brisk barn]

Idk

[shy willow]

Prefire the snipers

[brisk barn]

So the magic happens with key mechanisms
If a key or a key like object(like rockets for example) get dropped in an area the player cannot reach, the object gets teleported to the nearest player

This is also how headhunting works in Morozova

[tawdry raven]

id say they didnt want it to be good just cuz it was one of the more obtainable exotics but now elmo exists

[shy willow]

Cham deserves a massive buff

It looks way too clean to be trash

[versed summit]

so you oxi and kill them while their in the door?

[brisk barn]

The way we make it so that they key teleports when it’s normally available on that little platform thing is we shoot an EMP at the door to keep the snipers stuck behind it

[tawdry raven]

vector that is an AR, an identity crisis of a weapon

[brisk barn]

Otherwise the snipers rush into a playable area and the key is lost forever(because killing the snipers locks the area above even when you blow it up)

[tawdry raven]

and then we got another exotic vector that is good

[brisk barn]

Messing up magic is not the end of your key but it loses time

Oxi is used specifically because it can reach and kill the snipers while they are still stuck behind the door because of your EMP before the EMP expires

[shy willow]

They ought to make it perform more like an AR

Cuz rn it's shit as an AR

308 vector in R6 feels beefy

[tawdry raven]

kinda dissapointed our first shotgun exotic in a min is gonna be mid, scorpio already slows enemies

i wanted a exotic aa12

[shy willow]

Muh showstopper😔

[brisk barn]

Belt fed shotgun when

[shy willow]

We need that one shotgun from metro

With like a 20 shell belt

[serene hare]

🙂

[shy willow]

Neat

[steep flint]

So im working on the all red core Future initiative build and its so hard to get pieces with high chc and chd so im definitely going to need to optimize a lot. Is there any quick way to get materials because ive been doing a lot of countdown and i dont have much

[steel mason]

Anyone know hwy my HB build sucks?

[shy willow]

Post it

[solar sable]

what naval said

[steel mason]

This is what its supposed to mock

[dull ermine]

Why doesn’t overclock / hermano work with anything but the hive / turret / remote pulse

Doesn’t work with decoy, seeker mine (mender), defender drone, healing drone, scanner drone…

These are “deployed skills” that are within 15 meters of the player and their nearby Allies

[shy willow]

Do you have the linked laser on

[steel mason]

I do.

Dmg doesnt really improve nor does the bonus armour

[shy willow]

Then it should perform just fine

What are your crit chance/damage numbers

[cyan drift]

deployed I'm assuming is something you double tap at your feet to send it out

I guess the game does it by skill rather than type, since the decoy doesn't work, nor the seeker

but then the pulse works for some bizarre reason

my assumption is because a moving skill would make it very OP

doesn't really solve the decoy mystery, but the rest yeah

an overclocked defender drone would be hilariously OP

[bright raptor]

they are using an 870 instead of ACS, which probably is indeed a problem for building initial stacks

[stiff jasper]

Simply speculate : because they just copy and paste coding from tamper proof

[dull ermine]

Remote pulse , not scanner pulse

[dull ermine]

I just don’t want to rely on sniper turret

1. because if you have to just let it sit there it’s a useless skill
2. it’s the only skill that works besides a tank dropping a max charged revive hive bc the tank will survive the longest
3. the lack of variety demonstrates that if they ever do something to break the sniper turret the whole talent is dead

I like running booster hive when I’m dps (overcharged) (swap for boss) but it seems the lack of support for the talent breaks it, booster hive is consumed in like 3 bursts if you do 7 - 1 for triplets on DH…

Same for gray, fieser, Williams

Plus scanner drone would have helped make the Dare useful

I guess a healer can run it because restorer hive lasts longer than booster and FI backpack is overkill outside of Morozova but rip opportunistic

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwJgtAzGAMbHNG2U1yBcBWTr54ioWOERgcZAuACw6lprpRSwkP2nrUBsY1sUNh3ZJ0oSqxHDC6EBACcfMPIAccbOoDs63sExrOIaLGrLTao3ygqDjENSh6zYHMDXd48oaMxNFm83BNRU4IXm4cTXhuW0IgA

^^ i came up with this interesting foundry skill/tank/DPS hybrid... Anybody here think it'll do alright?

[shy willow]

😭

[strong cave]

It's cursed I know but I'm curious 😹

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwTgtAzGAMNsdZMS50BcBWTKECZ4I0UDil0A2WKUsA4CC1ZsrSFjsxdAFiZ+p1Ow8sAAcQ2Ai4zU6PBHA8wICcGzxMAdk1N1E1nh47lIHLLToLnLOgjKKOLQgrhWO4AmAWgA

I mean... It might work idk. I've seen a few videos on heroic difficulty having an OC defender drone and basically it's god mode for that duration... Imagine it with eagle bearer tenacity 💀

The link I just sent is a seriously rough draft. You can ditch skill tiers for weapon damage and use mechanical to climb to overcharge but that's annoying to do

[versed summit]

*Mechanical Animal * typically isn't worthwhile building for over just using an F2000 or Famas and adding an extra skill tier to your build.

[strong cave]

Very true. You could go acosta's go bag for chucking a nade and instant overclock or BSTU but then you basically need max skill tiers. All in all, it makes for a weird build but something I'll likely never try bc it sounds annoying to execute steps for OC

Another method that works is just have a FI healer on the team and have bro detonate his hive for BTSU team overclock and I use my DPS build with defender drone

DPS build with Eagle Bearer tenacity + overclocked defender drone = god mode

[sly gulch]

Keep on chugging. It's honestly not that difficult to get maxed sub attribute drops in CD or open world with targeted loot. I have a whole character slot with 10+ different FI builds.

[burnt pivot]

Anyone familiar with the one shot boss build for raids?

[tulip charm]

Which boss

[burnt pivot]

The build in particular.

I'm using it on the targets in the white house and I'm only hitting for 36 mil.

[tulip charm]

Are you use headhunter?

[burnt pivot]

No not that one shot.

[tulip charm]

Show build then

[burnt pivot]

The nogotiators aquillies ravenous

[tulip charm]

D50 w/ flatline right?

Also ravenous buff only works on armor plating

So it’s not gonna work in the white house

[cyan drift]

a level 5 artificer hive on a tank can keep a defender drone up 24/7

[urban latch]

Different bosses have different setups. The rav setup is generally used on grey and fieser

[strong cave]

That seems so broken 😭

As well as useless if you do perpetually no damage, unless youre gonna run Aegis

[half cosmos]

finally made this

[tulip charm]

gz the only thing to change is picaros for groupo or run coyetes mask

[strong cave]

Picaro's simply ain't worth it on the build for all of 1 armor core and 10% skill haste bonus. You're better off using a grupo holster for extra Crit chance and extra Crit damage. You can also run coyotes mask with ceska chest/grupo holster. Or, alternative, you can run bloody knuckles

[serene hare]

Wtf, why there's a shade tech cache here inside a building in southeast of Constitution Hall, but it's not marked in the map and can't be picked up?

[half cosmos]

its a psudo red core

[onyx sage]

which is less value than crit

[strong cave]

^

For an extra 170k armor, ain't worth passing up crits

[onyx sage]

don't underestimate crit

[strong cave]

You're already squishy the 170k armor is just not worth passing up damage

[half cosmos]

So swap for a grupo and get yhe chd? Ok

[wise swallow]

your running crit mods arent you

or rolling crit on the gearset pieces

[strong cave]

Yes, grupo gives an additional 10% CHD. Picaro's you trade up extra Crit for all of 170k armor and you still die just as fast. Not worth it

Picaro's is really only worth it on hybrid builds

[wise swallow]

given that set up and SHD level. Hes rolled a gearset piece to CHC or used a CHC mod. even more CHD loss since hes giving up another 12% to use picarios

[onyx sage]

either get coyote or grupo

coyote is preferred

[strong cave]

At that level, coyote and ceska is a must

[half cosmos]

i have a cayoti

so just get a striker holster and use cayoti?

[strong cave]

Yup, chest piece is fine

[half cosmos]

i also hav a cheska mask thast very similar to cayoti

[strong cave]

I use fenris on my build but im SHD 800 and my chc/CHD is fine. Would that still be alright?

[strong cave]

Nope, use coyote. It gives CHD buffs close range, CHD/chc buffs mid, long range chc buffs

[onyx sage]

eventually you still want crit since expertise makes fenris obsolete, and it doesn't benefit your secondary

[strong cave]

Yup, eventually I'll get a chest piece that's worth it. Haven't seen one just yet drop for me

[onyx sage]

the optimal playstyle is using your AR for mid to long range and shotgun for close, crit benefits both

[half cosmos]

welp turns out i mistakenly melted my ONLY STRIKER HOLSTER

[strong cave]

Rip. Can easily get another

Just look for one with Max crit on it and roll for weapon damage or vice versa

[half cosmos]

not in DC welp to NY i go

[strong cave]

Target loot on countdown or summit

Way better than using open world targeted loot

[half cosmos]

i was JUST in countdown for last 2 hrs for momento for collection

still nada

want to do some other shit with my yello core nego meme build hehe

[glossy scarab]

determined is brokennn

[wind hare]

is there any way to get the st elmo engine? or that was only with season 1 rewards?

[hazy steeple]

Once a Season ends, the guns+gear from that Season Pass are added to the general loot pool.

Most of the Exotics in the game are from Season Pass's actually.

[wind hare]

then i might be lucky in countdown for it

[half cosmos]

glad to see u again can i have that build plz

may i ask why is it blue?

and not green?

[onyx sage]

colorblind setting

helps you see some aoe effects better

[glossy scarab]

heres a closer view hopefully

[half cosmos]

thanks a lot sire

[glossy scarab]

its blue cuz of my color settings

i have it on one of the colorblind modes so i can see a line around grenade radii

or any AOE for an explosion that normally is just a red highlighted area without a very clear boundary line

[junior stump]

why are u using model 700 and not white death

[versed summit]

White Death is worse than the Model 700 after Project Resolve

[junior stump]

whats project resolve

i havent been on d2 for a minute

wait so whats the best sniper now

[versed summit]

QOL/balancing update.

[junior stump]

they added like a new named sniper which gives 60% dmg boost when enemies are not targetting u

right?

[versed summit]

Model 700 for top damage, SR-1 for usability. Both are better than WD.

[versed summit]

Think it got nerfed a bunch. Not worth it.

[junior stump]

what build are u running

sniper

[versed summit]

Run this #td2-build-advice message

[junior stump]

okay thanks

[hexed steppe]

if the rolls are all chc/chd youll be 10% over crit chance and dont need ceska. should do contractors or move providence to that spot and run coyote

[versed summit]

Depends on watch IIRC

[serene hare]

Ok, just me or Negotiator is a pretty mid or situational build?

The way it works is so weird.

[urban latch]

It's one of the best DPS sets in the game for both general use and crazy 1 shot speedrun things

[serene hare]

And how the hell does it work?
You shoot 3 things and wait to kill the 3, then jump to other 3

[urban latch]

Ads come out of a door, you sweep across tagging things and focusing what has the most health.

[wanton hornet]

tag weaker enemies and lay into the heavy.

[urban latch]

The ad you were shooting and went to hide? Just ignore it and move onto the next target, the nego marks will kill its

imo the biggest reason people dont like it for general use is they overrate the nego backpack instead of something like vigilance

[serene hare]

And what, take away Coyote? Ceska chest with Obliterate?

[urban latch]

Yeah, swap coyotes for it. If you want more survivability swap coyotes for memento

[serene hare]

Feels exactly the same.

I mean, underwhelming.

It looks like the marked targets don't take crit hit.

Nah, fuck this, it sucks.

[urban latch]

You have 4 pieces on right...

You mark a target, and when you deal damage to other targets the marked targets get damaged when you crit

60% of the damage transfers without the backpack, 100% with

[serene hare]

Yes, and it's pretty underwhelming.

[urban latch]

I'll run a mission or two with you if you want lol

[hexed steppe]

it isnt gonna feel the same as striker since thats all single target damage, but if you have enough targets you will be out damaging a striker set in the same scenario.
it takes getting used to the mechanic

[serene hare]

Nah, I just gave up at the shooting target.

[serene grotto]

What are the preferred snipers and talents for hotshot

[solar sable]

SR-1, M700 Carbon or any m700 in general with Determined as the talent.

[serene hare]

DZ can be quite a bad experience, ngl.

I wish there was another way to farm points so I don't get anxious getting some stuffs that can be useful in the future, just to lose it to someone who optimizes their build to deal with players, while I have one that is optimized to deal with PvE.

[solar sable]

You mean watch points?

[serene hare]

recon data

I'll search for this shit later, I'm kinda annoyed atm, the more I think in what happened now, the more annoyed I get.

[elder zinc]

how did you get that weapon talent of your marksman rifle

[wanton hornet]

Random find

[glossy scarab]

you can craft any marksman rifle until the talent comes up as determined. then you can just extract that talent to your library

[gusty valve]

with a strikers setup and using a normal ACS-12, could i consider using one with strained or is fast hands the way?

[magic pilot]

Memento, 2 Golan, belstone, emperors and ceska if you are going for crit

Gives you a ton of regen to tank rogues, I'd run it with a shotgun/AR or smg and AR

[serene hare]

I'm not asking for builds, I'm asking for recon data.

But thanks.

[magic pilot]

Can't help with you not having resources

Try not dying then.

[gusty valve]

the classic solution 👍

[magic pilot]

Fast hands for sure

[magic pilot]

Can't help skill problems in the build advice tab lol

[gusty valve]

makes sense and alr il do fast hands

[versed summit]

Just do CPs then lol

[elder zinc]

wow thanks i never knew that

[strong cave]

You can also use a hotshot build and farm open world control points. Takes a bit longer depending on the difficulty you play. You could probably get away with using the SVD for hotshot spamming or a simple d50 will do

Could also do countdown and spend the credits every 15m to get recon out of the caches on the store

I think they do 5 every 15m

But yeah no don't go into dz with PvE builds. People like to inspect builds of those nearby and will grief you

[strong cave]

Either works, you could also go the route of optimist or flatline

Depends if you run technician or use pulse or not

[rich lotus]

Question should i spend my stars only on exotic caches?

[solar sable]

If you're low on materials, recal or opti caches, if you need exotic components, then exo caches. Depends on what you need atm

[rich lotus]

This is for sure a better idea i always buy exotic caches when i can

[hexed steppe]

exotic,
named for possible dz exclusives,
legacy if trying for system corruption

if not specifically looking for something always exotic caches tho

[solar sable]

For example I need both materials to reroll my Bighorn to dttooc, so I'd need to spend on both

[rich lotus]

Im good off systems i have a good stash of exotic but im not rerolling rn so mats it is

[rich lotus]

Right

Thank you for the help

[rich lotus]

Also why would i want the DZ exclusives

They niche asl and i alr have dark winter and r&r ill live

[hexed steppe]

usage for proficiency leveling . its between 227-300 shd points to level them with materials

[solar sable]

dark winter is pretty mid compared to other SMGs

[rich lotus]

I got it from a cache unfortunately

I might aswell keep it and say i have it

[dull ermine]

Protected reload - ignoring its utility or other talents that are better

Does 6 armor cores give teammates 18% bonus armor or 36%?

[rich lotus]

Oh shit this build advice whoops

[solar sable]

No worries

[versed summit]

Where are you getting 36? But I believe it’s 20% for you and 18% for them, with 6 Armor cores ofc.

[dull ermine]

I’m getting 36% because I thought blue tiers scales 3% additional

Any idea how long that buff lasts though?

[versed summit]

The length of the reload

[dull ermine]

That’s it?

It has so much potential if it was 5 seconds or so

[versed summit]

It’s protected reload lol

Just for the reload lol

It would be cool if it was longer tho fs

[dull ermine]

Alright so tldr I’ve had a few runs for IH where we wipe on Morozova because people don’t avoid mortars or ad control is atrocious

Tardigrade as the main tank is less beneficial than vanguard which I have infinite use of and control over when it is procced…

I’ve been thinking of ways to help keep people alive that doesn’t involve giving up vanguard, ie a second tank (we are talking about the runs where you’ve wiped like 5 times) (tardigrade / protector are the only thing I can think of)

Protected reload is a close gain

What I’ve been doing lately is giving blue hermano in 3rd phase (phase before train is destroyed / you start going for keys again) by hot swapping my belstone protector, crushing my hive and calling for overcharge

Drop max charged revive hive near the group and they get reload benefits and cooldowns on their decoys

Cause if people throw their decoys out protector is kinda useless cause nothing is shooting at you

Alternative is if someone emp stickies Morozova, kites her over to you and you use mosquito to snag her eye every couple seconds

Her shooting your shield gives protector but it’s so situational I find it difficult to favor over hermano

[versed summit]

Just have a DPS run Tardigrade? Also have more people run demo?

[dull ermine]

👁️

Well assuming you saw that I basically said I’ve tried stuff like that but people just face tank… sometimes you don’t even make it to phase 3 because people die when there’s no ads…
Going into the tunnel…

That’s only happened like 3 times though, Anyways oversimplication yes… demo and tardi on dps works

But that only helps to the extent that people don’t continue to face tank… only reason I’ve gotten out of those raids is I had to sub in people

[tulip charm]

There’s only so much you can do to keep your dps alive as a tank.

[shy willow]

What's the TL;DR here

[tulip charm]

Ig it looks like arrow suffering in ih because people dying because face tank,mortars, or start wipe mechanic and wants to support more to deal with it as a tank

Just a small rant

[shy willow]

Well usually you have a stagger a key and a healer

That's plenty of support

Headhunters too

[tulip charm]

just classic low experience ih ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull ermine]

I wasn’t ranting my bad, there was a tldr then I was responding to IS3CO

I actually have never played with a stagger tank…

The way I’ve been trained to do it on normal is that one rocket person takes over staggering

Once I asked a someone to take over that, they weren’t too happy about it saying I was giving up dps…

[shy willow]

Stagger tank can double up as left rockets so they're not useless during 1st phase

[dull ermine]

My thing is some things that are meant to help people just make them more reliant on doing the same thing that’s getting them killed

Well as I said I’ve never played with it, once I asked about it and it got dismissed as outdated and waste of time

[shy willow]

Bruh

The people you playing with need to get a grip

You can stagger without tanking but if you've got the manpower then why

[dull ermine]

What I did once to save a raid was have my friend sub in and snipe both rocket chicks and take care of rockets… had the other rocket person help left door

Also it’s not me I swear… I avoid speed runners

[onyx sage]

i mean... most of the time speedrunners actually know how to do the raids normally

unless they're trying to push you to follow their speedrun strats there's little reason to avoid them

[dull ermine]

There’s 2 types I’ve encountered, the ones which you just mentioned or the ones that get impatient and visibly seem unpleasant or start trolling not in game but taking a shot at the way you do things (they’re not all bad, there’s just some I avoid)

[shy willow]

I've ran into a fair few I get you

[dull ermine]

Once I asked one tanking to swap from crusader to bulwark and it was 💀

[shy willow]

Most of the Xbox big shots are massive douchebags

[onyx sage]

they let their achievements get to their head 💀

[shy willow]

Gotta remember where you began

[surreal depot]

I began at gate strat

[shy willow]

As long as you have since converted is ok

[vestal ibex]

I bet he stays in the gate while everyone else goes for Arch...

[rich lotus]

Got a curious question
Why can't I swap a talent off of a weapon? I've done so already with a gear piece but for a certain smg the talent has a lock mark

[tulip charm]

You cant swap a talent if you already reconfigured it on a different option

[brisk barn]

Yo since when is stagger tank outdated lmao

Who is tanking the boss if there is no stagger? That damage is no joke

[dull ermine]

I know about stagger tank from Raucey’s tank build guide for raids, when I learned tanking I asked about it and basically all people do is have a rocket person stagger for normal, faraday it’s the healer…

Personally I find it stupid because most runs I do some people are sniping, you got a hot head running around trying to reach max damage numbers with PGC DCH Achilles regulus

[brisk barn]

But all the PC players have staggers

Why is there no stagger on PS

[dull ermine]

It’s just the community I raid with I guess, I’ve never seen a stagger tank, usually if I’m dps I just pull out my rav and keep an eye on Morozova otherwise if it’s not my raid or people I know I ask for rockets and babysit

[brisk barn]

That sounds really inefficient

[dull ermine]

I was wondering how you even stagger her when you don’t have rav to begin with

[brisk barn]

Grenades and other explosions stagger

[dull ermine]

Cuz I was hoping I could mosquito her and emp

Oh for real?

[brisk barn]

That’s the idea behind staggering

[dull ermine]

Well hello to perfect explosive delivery

[brisk barn]

Because the red primers are explosives essentially

You don’t want to be using explosive delivery

[dull ermine]

😔

[brisk barn]

If you get caught between a explosive cycle she launches

[dull ermine]

True

What about the stickies? Is that just to grab eye or do they stagger?

[brisk barn]

Explosive stickies stagger her