td2-pvp-discussions

[inland tusk]

PC different,here on console,u barely see pistols,maybe total of 3 ppl on PSN are running pistols,1 of them is on liberty 🗽

I have to constantly swap pieces,in order to show the red line in between ppl, usually happens when i don't die for a while,after i die I swap 4th piece off/on and it works, especially on +90 ping servers

[mossy solstice]

DTOC/DTA doesn't increase regulus explosion damage does it?

[wet badger]

DtA should, the other wont but the other works on shields and DtA doesnt, both make your Red numbers larger, thats all that matters, The Reg dont even Reg anymore, Reg explosions? what explosions 😄

[mossy solstice]

😂😂 I had a feeling that was the case. As it is with Pestilence and I'm pretty sure Ravenous

[inland tusk]

Ravenous is just another can of worms, especially with umbra

[tawdry pier]

Cath won't be really that noticeable until you're at least past 14 stacks or something and it works counteractively with vigilance
Sure you can utilise your shield to be the thing hit but it takes so much damage you're better off peeking with it only

Also damage on demand is important on a pistol imo

Don't want it to fail you when you only got 2 shots to make it work

[wet badger]

you wouldnt use catharsis with vig really, i mean... u could but i was thinking more on the Intim front

its just that if u ride high stacks then hold a corner u could get more damage

[bright atlas]

Look dude just cause it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it donr work for me and my people we use it just fine your issues are not my problem lil dude find you somebody else to talk to. Or I'll just block you to where I never see your messages and youll never see mines again don't matter to me. ✌🏾

[slow mason]

🥀

[inland tusk]

That's not how discord blocking works lil Saucy Santana

[inland tusk]

Catharsis vigi new meta?

[wet badger]

saying that something works 'for me' is a far cry from the initial claim that it was 'one of the best in the game' perhaps his response would have been more cordial.

[bright atlas]

I can show you better than I can tell you .. watch this 😏

Dude really thought he couldn't be blocked 😂

Getting hostile with me just cause his gear set doesn't work properly not gone fix the issue his problem is not my problem 🤷🏾‍♂️

[inland tusk]

Again u don't understand discord blocking

[lavish basin]

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the pvp room!

[limber cedar]

You guys wanna fight, go to the DZ since you two are on the same platform

[bright atlas]

Listen I wasnt fighting from the start I was just telling him the gear sets work just fine for me and my people he's getting mad cause his dont 🤷🏾‍♂️ i ain worried about it no more I've blocked him so I can no longer see anything he's saying nor can he see my messages im over it 💯

[bright atlas]

I agree I can't control people's emotions cause they mad about something lol

[bright atlas]

Look im just being honest Negotiator used correctly in the dz is a force to be cautious with if you dont know how it works then hey not my problem thats all im saying its my opinion and he has his. But by far one of the best if used correctly he's getting upset over something I can't control

[wet badger]

Yeah! they should set up a 4v4 and prove their points, ill drop a gifted sub to the one that streams it

[bright atlas]

Well for one i stream both youtube and Twitch i honestly dont know who buddy is but can tell he knows me by his sarcastic name calling. But I can assure you if he's mad from a normal convo about a gear set then Im sure I have him mad in the DZ as well thats built up hate on the inside from past encounters I know it when I see it. I didn't come in here for altercation

[bright atlas]

But id gladly run the 4s no problem

[warm wadi]

Anyone know how or where I can get The Carnage LMG?

[wet badger]

if u got a video on negotiators drop me a link and ill check it out

[bright atlas]

It has an increased drop chance from the Main Mission Coney Island Ballpark

[bright atlas]

But it can be obtained from enemies, vendors, weapon chests, Sealed Caches, and any area/mission with Light Machine Guns as targeted loot.

[warm wadi]

@bright atlas thanks. I was running count down and nothing

@bright atlas I wasn’t sure if they took it out of the game

[bright atlas]

I dont have a specific video of it solely but what I can do is point out a stream and give you times stamps of when I used it in a full fledge fight

[warm wadi]

I also tried to get it through farming the loot goblin

[wet badger]

sounds good, works for me, i still insist that its a dcent set when holding off a server in a tight spot like saferoom dz south, never seen it work well enough elsewhere

[bright atlas]

No definitely not outvthe game lol it's still there im surprised you couldn't get it to drop in countdown with your targeted loot set to LMG honestly

[warm wadi]

Yeah must be my luck lol 😭😭😭

[bright atlas]

I will say its situational but just depends on how you set it up because I have mines set up to beam regardless the original set up is situational

It definitely works better in a team setting though I will say that

[inland tusk]

We already fought many times,his excuse for losing is "he not taking dmg" 😂 😂 😂

[wet badger]

Do another one then and send link, ill get my popcorn :DDD

[bright atlas]

No doubt I gotcha homie I'll make one today when I get off work and I'll tag the link in the messages

[calm plinth]

i’ll drop a gifted sub too

let’s see this

[bright atlas]

Hey I appreciate the love will get that going for yall later today when I get off

[inland tusk]

I can't send links here

[wet badger]

DM obvvs

[inland tusk]

Oh yy i am forgetful

[lofty portal]

what build do you use for crit? because i think my current one isn’t that great

[lofty portal]

this is what i am using rn

[tawdry pier]

What are the crits like

NB negotiator's 🤕

You also made 0 use of streamlined

[bright atlas]

Im not sure im following you what do you mean about that?

[tawdry pier]

You dropped a hive while using streamlined the moment you shot a player

Making the talent null

[bright atlas]

If I did it was probably accidental or I used it to save us from status. But your right but the thing is streamline is really a plus dont really need it with Negotiators honestly the gearset talent itself is going to do damage regardless 🤷🏾‍♂️

[tawdry pier]

A talent is important regardless of gearset/build
And it was a stinger hive

[bright atlas]

Yea im sure that was accidental i dont really use skills when im using streamline unless I have to but the gearset talent itself is going to multiply the damage due to just having opposing players marked

Lets not forget im using technician with linked laser pointer and using spotter as my chest talent im going to do damage regardless

So you add all that together your going to get Beamed

[tawdry pier]

im not sure what you mean by this. do you believe negotiator's multiplies damage done to the marked player? because that is not the case it only shares a % of the damage done to other marked players not the one you are currently shooting which is why the bag is very very important cause it raises that 60% shared damage to 112%

[slow mason]

you don’t really need the nego bag since u can always use vigi but I wouldn’t use njb

[tawdry pier]

and lets not forget there a talent that is flatline which offers the same amplifier as your chest piece against pulsed enemies so you're double dipping into pulsed enemies

[tawdry pier]

that is also a great choice too and can use with decoy as well which further pushes streamlined away from the equation

[lofty portal]

like 3.4m on body

in training cave so like 1.1m in pvp

[slow mason]

yea imo streamline is great but doesn’t have its place in pvp, skills are too good not to use to try to gain an upper hand

[tawdry pier]

i still havent gotten pieces for crit so i'd probs have to get them first before i can make setups

[bright atlas]

True i use to have it setup like that but in all honesty streamline hits harder which is why i changed it trust me I've tested ot already i wouldn't have changed it if it didnt make a difference

[slow mason]

is that a guess or dy know the exact multiplier

[lofty portal]

i mean just by looking at the build, do you see anything that could be changed?

[slow mason]

Of course streamline hits harder cause it’s an larger amp but it doesn’t have full uptime unlike flatline where you can also use skills and is only weak against pulseres

[tawdry pier]

these are the 2 setups i use currently

still missing tank and crit

[slow mason]

How does punch drunk compare with coyotes?

[tawdry pier]

thats a headshot

but if on a crit i'd say it could be worth

[slow mason]

Oh it’s headshot ok

ok I see

[tawdry pier]

but long range you'd sac cd

[lofty portal]

on 2nd one go with 2nd yaahl instead of contractors, you get 10% more hsd and 10% more wd

[bright atlas]

Yea but its just my play style I dont really care to use skills all that much dont need to half the time besides if I needed to id just change my build to where I can use the skills needed

[tawdry pier]

this is actually just to get 100% burn resist mainly. i think 8% dta can beat out 10% wd with all the reds i have

[slow mason]

yea that’s all fair play to you

[tawdry pier]

this will mainly rely on how many reds and blues you have. 6 blues maybe but on 1 to 3 you'd look for total weapon damage and amplifiers more

[lofty portal]

contractors beat 2nd yaahl if you use hsd on both but you use hazprot on yours

[tawdry pier]

hsd is 210%

[bright atlas]

Im a 1.5 armor on my set up i believe expertise 30 on everything for this build

[tawdry pier]

so basically it would be a trade of %8 dta for 10% wd and 10% hsd

[tawdry pier]

the more additive damage you have the more diminishing returns you get from investing in it

you're better off with multipliers like flatline/vigi and such

[bright atlas]

Yea but everything always works out when needed 🤷🏾‍♂️

[lofty portal]

yeah, i'd say yaahl is better but you'd have to test it

[bright atlas]

I only use those on specific builds trust me I got it all squared out people rely on those talents a bit to much

[tawdry pier]

i think i have a piece ill try it out

[tawdry pier]

people do rely on builds to make it in the pvp

you are the sum of your build and whatever skill you have

can't get far with one or the other

[bright atlas]

True

[lofty portal]

iirc pistols had a 33% pvp multiplier

[tawdry pier]

ugh so perfect too 😩

[lofty portal]

i did over an hour of optimizing pieces for pvp yesterday

[wet badger]

at 1:29:00 u got into a fight, u had it somewhat under control but because you had streamline on u refused to use your skills, skills that would have saved your life, u had a decoy and the NPCs were shooting youj, had u just used your skill the NPCs would have lost aggro and u would have been able to jiggle peek the tree and kill the guy, playstyle or not streamline is a bad talent that makes u play bad.

Just use a better talent or better gun maybe

[slow mason]

I see ty

[bright atlas]

In all honesty I wasnt tripping about none of that I dont be worried about adds frfr if they kill me o well. The build works for what I need it to work for 🤷🏾‍♂️

I ain gone make every shot or survive everything with no build 💯

The skills may have helped but I mean I ain taking it that serious

Its wasn't no comp fights going on at thay moment im definitely not about to try and be a sweat

[slow mason]

using skills is not sweaty

[bright atlas]

No its not wasnt speaking on skills

[slow mason]

i mean hes just giving a genuinly good suggestion that may improve your gameplay whether you take that suggestion or not is totally up to you

[tawdry pier]

in cave as you say it i did 4.219 hsd and 4.813 crit with yaahl and 4.285 hsd and 4.907 crit with contractor

ig it would translate different in dz but ye multipliers are usually what you want

[lofty portal]

fr? gotta test that myself too

[bright atlas]

But sweats are people who try to get every kill I ain on that i just be playing im just a daily streamer and yes I know he's just suggesting but I was just showcasing that particular set up I dont play that way all the time I have so many builds for all situations I use them when need be

[wet badger]

if ur testing sniper damage just multiplky by 0.25 and thats pretty much your PvP damage, ARs = 0.4

[tawdry pier]

reg

[slow mason]

🙏 thank you

[wet badger]

pistrol is 0.33 i think

[lofty portal]

i kinda hate how good contractors and foxes are

[bright atlas]

I have builds without those and will out do a build with them

[wet badger]

u can just go to your weapon damage and do a quick calculation and you'll know the modifier, then the spec damage is reduced by 8% in PvP so its a lil less in actual PvP

[tawdry pier]

true true

[wet badger]

then be aware of any other reductions and take it into account

[tawdry pier]

there's a reason why its particularly great

[wet badger]

not as necessary as u might think, on a raw damage build that doesnt need its attributes they are good, for example on pistol headshot, or smg high end, but otherwise there is usually a better option these days

[tawdry pier]

very few pieces give that coveted dttooc or dta

[wet badger]

spotter etc, but spotter is a dead build because of umbra so theres that...

[tawdry pier]

some builds are still great but simply got power crept by other things therefore nerfing it without even touching it

[wet badger]

yep

[lofty portal]

yeah but they are universally so good, for me kinda ruins the variety of pieces a bit

[mossy solstice]

I use D&H chest unbreakable, contractors gloves, fox's knees, Coyote mask, ceska backpack, picaros holster

Ofc backpack has Vigi on it

[lofty portal]

where crit chance?

[calm plinth]

spotter nem

[mossy solstice]

Crit chance on knees, and 3 crit mods

[lofty portal]

that’s alot of sacrifice

you could easily change out picaros and have higher damage i think

[mossy solstice]

It is a good amount but the ability to take any gun with it is nice

[slow mason]

you can still do that with 3 imminence

[mossy solstice]

Sadly, picaros is best in slot on the build unless you fully convert it to regulus only

And fully convert it to 3 PC Imminence , D&H and use W&H with coyote

I made it to use the main guns at distance and use reg for corner peek and when unbreakable pops

[slow mason]

oh if youre not using mainly reg then yeah ig

[lofty portal]

oh yeah i was trying to mainly use reg

that’s also why i don’t use coyotes

[slow mason]

with hsd? or crit

[lofty portal]

crit, because it’ll be less consistent

below 15m i would have only 50% crit chance and especially on a weapon like regulus that can be the difference between life and death

so the best way would be to always play between 15m-25m but that’s not always doable so i’ll rather go to 60% chc without coyotes

[slow mason]

oh i just build for close to 60 regardless

[calm plinth]

yep this is the skill level i was expecting

[bright atlas]

Meaning ?

[amber ice]

@bright atlas Sorry, no self promo.

[bright atlas]

Nah its not even like that I wasnt selt promoting at all just was showing off a gear set that was talked about. Im all good over here

[amber ice]

Listing your own channel is counted as self-promo, the rule is there for everyone.

It seems like a silly rule, but on such a large server it's one that we need to have.

[bright atlas]

I was just saying my bad thats all. Promotion wasnt my intentions

[bright atlas]

True i understand 👍🏾 💯

[wet badger]

That's kinda my fault, I requested some context for a conversation, he meant it in no such way

[lofty portal]

actually, now that i think about it, the minimum you get with coyotes is 10% chd

if i swap out the grupo piece for it the maximum i lose is like 2% chd

so 3 pieces IA, one ceska, one dh and coyotes it is

[mossy solstice]

Yeah I would've said swap coyote

[lofty portal]

i'll be rocking this now, 2 mil on a headshot crit and 1.2 mil on body crit

[amber ice]

@inland tusk @tawdry pier Take it to PM's.

[tawdry pier]

cmaahnn im just a little guy

its also my birthday im a little birthday guy

[limber cedar]

Nice, one year closer to the reaper

[calm plinth]

@amber ice so can we post other’s youtube videos just not ours?

[bright atlas]

👍🏾

[amber ice]

@calm plinth As long as it's not intended to break a rule and it's relevant to PvP: plenty already do.

[inland tusk]

Post them all

[amber ice]

That would be the spam rule, yep.

[inland tusk]

Happy bday little regulus guy

[calm plinth]

is any video someone sends that’s made by them considered self promotion? like what if i sent a strafe tutorial here (uploaded to yt) that i made to teach someone would that be self promotion

[lofty portal]

if you made one you could send it to me in DMs if you want :)

[golden ermine]

Z cheq has one if you are roller. Knm is pretty obv

[modern gull]

is this a good matador for bighorn headshot hazard regen?

[calm plinth]

no

[modern gull]

rip

[calm plinth]

just get one with headshot and you’re fine tbh

[modern gull]

what would be the best way to farm it

[inland tusk]

Walker loot in dz

[modern gull]

and if it's not there, what else

[modern gull]

why china friend

[mossy solstice]

Farm named item caches and hope you get lucky

[modern gull]

countdown i guess?

[mossy solstice]

Correct. Everyone's favorite gamemode

[modern gull]

🥀

[golden ermine]

Conflict is a way better option for that route ngl

[pulsar vapor]

Yea

[amber ice]

If it's on your channel: it's considered self promo.

The channel/name is the important part. So uploading one directly to discord is fine.

[calm plinth]

@amber ice can u see my blocked msg

[amber ice]

The auto-mod blocks all messages with the word "crypto", for obvious reasons.

We've suggested they change their name before for this exact reason.

[calm plinth]

so if c*ypt0 for example asked me to send his video here because he wanted to promote it that would be ok even though the intention is the same

[amber ice]

See this for details: #td2-pvp-discussions message

We have no issue in banning accounts that have the intent to bypass the rules.

[lofty portal]

is the reason related to the currency or the streamer/youtuber?

[lavish basin]

Because scam bots are always trying to lure people into crypto scams, and blocking the word prevents most of them from making their posts

[modern gull]

striker obliterate any good for the dz?

[calm plinth]

nope

wouldn’t really run striker eb unless it’s hsd

[modern gull]

hsd? headshot damage?

[calm plinth]

yeah

[modern gull]

i thought crit was better

[calm plinth]

it depends what you’re trying to make

eb is bad rn but okish with hsd

hsd big horn and crit umbra are meta right now

[modern gull]

i've noticed

[calm plinth]

if you really want to run striker crit with eb i believe it’s either coyote mask ceska chest with UB or ceska chest with ub and memento

but you won’t kill good players with it

[modern gull]

is obliterate just not good anymore?

[calm plinth]

it’s good for SMGs

but that’s about it

you’d want solkov obliterate tho

[vague idol]

What's up w all these damn bog horn regen op builds.

[low valve]

I would guess it’s the current meta?

[inland tusk]

Meta atm

[mossy solstice]

It's meta, has been for a bit. Due to one of the recent buffs to bighorn, it made it even more meta. Same thing for Umbra. Anything that gets buffed in PvE usually stays for PVP, making it an unbalanced mess

[modern gull]

how good is the lud?

[calm plinth]

not very

honestly if you want build diversity pvp isn’t the place i’d just do pve

[modern gull]

rip

[pulsar vapor]

Tinkerer will become meta

[wet badger]

Doubt it

[novel mirage]

I've been playing Conflict recently, and if the enemy has a punching build (Blue 6 + Armor Recovery + Lady's Death + Striker Shield + Closeout), I will definitely lose unless there is a significant difference in skill.

There have been various adjustments in PVP, but the punching build is still very strong as it is in VE.

To be honest, I feel that punching is already unbalanced. Specifically, "if you combine Lady's Death with Closeout, your melee damage increases by 1000%, your armor is high and cannot be reduced, you cannot kill because you recover with armor recovery, you can kill red and skill men in one hit with punching, and if the party is using a punching build, you can't do anything about it," etc. It is overwhelmingly strong.

Of course, I understand that this build can be built in PVP and that it can one-shot red and skill men, but I think it's too much to be able to one-hit kill with punching in a game where you fight with guns.

Are there any plans to nerf punching in PVP?

I'm reporting that this is happening in PVP.

[slow mason]

bonk builds in 2025 🥀

[inland tusk]

Tinkerer on OD maybe(sadist +pressure point), however catharsis and coyote exist soo maybe not

[slow mason]

is od even viable in pvp

[inland tusk]

Yes if you play it right, however ppl can always put 100% hzp and kill u thou

[slow mason]

oh true

[inland tusk]

I still don't know if tinkerer will work with Lexington

[wet badger]

If you struggle to kill a player that can't kill you with bullets then I don't know what to say, maybe if you put as much effort in shooting your enemy with a proper build as u did writing that up you wouldn't have a problem

[novel mirage]

Yes, I will try

[golden ermine]

Pull back if they have bonk, just ez counter

[novel mirage]

ok Thank you

[golden ermine]

If you cant kill them, just kill their teammates as they chase you until it is just the bonk. Then just shoot and pull back

[novel mirage]

If you fight with your allies, you can win. After that, all you have to do is fight conflicts and improve your skills.

What's the current meta for conflict? Is it spotter or flatline?

[limber cedar]

It's umbra

[novel mirage]

Thank you

[lavish basin]

@novel mirage #rules 12, no naming and shaming (I know you weren't directly accusing the individual but anyone answering the question might be)

[novel mirage]

sorry

[calm plinth]

what build were you running when you were struggling to fight the melee build?

@modern gull i think you were the one that asked but apparently i was wrong and obliterate is good with eb striker

[novel mirage]

This one

[novel mirage]

This one

[calm plinth]

pretty bad build imo

picaro holster, grupo or contractor gloves, fox knees is what i’d change that to

but you should run big horn hsd or umbra or a sniper build

[novel mirage]

Thank you

[wet badger]

Improvised are not worth it, you'll want to change the 2 there for fox's and contractor's.

keep your CHC to 50-54, coyote mid range buff will bridge the gap.

With technician you probably want to use spotter (perfect) instead of unbreakable, but this depends, unbreakable won't help much against melee, u just want damage from range so they never get a chance to get close to you.

If no one else is around mantle a vehicle

[novel mirage]

Thank you, that's extremely helpful

[novel mirage]

Where do I put Fenris if I put in Perfect Spotter? Or do I not need Fenris?

[wet badger]

You don't need fenris but it's better than grupo

[novel mirage]

ok,Thank you I will refer to it

[slow mason]

also look into expertising your lexington

[tawdry pier]

I remember fighting a similar player. Standing over a sandbag literally made their build null and void

[modern gull]

i was ye
in that case was the build i showcased good or no

[calm plinth]

i think it’s one of those builds top players can pull off but by no means meta

it’d work vs bad players though, like most builds

[modern gull]

well yeah, i get that
i’m just curious if mine would work

[rapid dirge]

if i wanted to use this for pvp what should i roll on in place of the the skill core

[limber cedar]

It's fun he said

[supple stream]

It is. Isn’t it ?

[lofty portal]

mostly yes, apart from running into sweats, cheaters or toxic people

[limber cedar]

Yeah or when the entire server is using regeneration and hazard protection and your only option is to use regeneration as well because it has almost no counter.

[lofty portal]

regulus :)

tap-tap-boom

[limber cedar]

Random player: concentrated fire on the regulus guy.
You: Vitals signs zero

[golden ermine]

Im 2 outta 3

[lavish basin]

keep the lfgs to the lfg channels please

[wet badger]

deconstruct or donate to expertise

[rapid dirge]

But fenris with regen and ubreak tho?😭

[wet badger]

i'll let someone else chime in

[lavish basin]

generally you want crit attributes as well as unbreakable so you can put a blue core on, I think

[calm plinth]

i was gonna respond but i’ll let someone else take over

[wet badger]

oh god, u remind me of that tiktok video where that white chick gets rejected by every race hahah

[golden ermine]

On a hs build you want hs haz or hs regen, on a crit build you want chc chd

[calm plinth]

also run ceska/obliterate and memento backpack

[modern gull]

oh yeah i use that on a separate loadout

4 pc striker, memento, ceska chest with obliterate

[calm plinth]

c*ypto’s newest video shows him using it

if you can get the memento stacks high it’s crazy

[modern gull]

ye he's where i got striker obliterate from

initially he didn't use memento but as time went on he did

[calm plinth]

i think he always has but he has 2 diff builds

[modern gull]

this should be good

stats

[calm plinth]

@wet badger how many blues do you run on this

[modern gull]

in the non memento build i remember 4 blues

[modern gull]

https://youtu.be/9PU0utfBRDc?t=241

this one was old with no memento

[modern gull]

oh and another build question
since cassie has a good hunter-killer chest piece i can roll for chc and chc i was wondering if i could make a build using perfect intimidate

how would this be?

still looking for a matador with chc and chd to roll for blue core, but this is the best i can do

[slow mason]

you need foxes

and i would prolly use a smg of some sort

like you can use chatterbox and strikers

[modern gull]

for the striker build right?

[modern gull]

what about this?

[slow mason]

no for the build you just sent

[modern gull]

oh why smgs then?

and why foxes?

[slow mason]

cause intim and adrush naturally promote a close range playstyle and foxes dtooc is too good

[modern gull]

i thought that having dta would be nice to pair with the dtooc on the guns themselves

for multiplicative stuff

[slow mason]

butdta and dtooc are not mutually exclusive?

i would replace the fenris with fox, but chooseign between contractors or foxes pick contractors

or better yet just use striker and high end bag and chest

[modern gull]

in the build i'm using contractor's

[slow mason]

i know

[modern gull]

unless if the builds tool site i'm using has inaccurate damage numbers, i'd be doing more with contractor's than fox's

[novel mirage]

Fox, Contractor and Picaros use shotguns orsmg

[modern gull]

why only those?

[slow mason]

test in range in game dawg

[modern gull]

not on the game rip

[lofty portal]

I run HazProt on my Reg build

[wet badger]

5, but I stoped using the EB version for the most part, Devs buffed bighorn way too much, you'll die before u get going most of the time, you can't out TTK Bighorn or any Capacitor user, iron lung neither.

If u play I'm a team with a support/heals then maybe u can still make some plays with it.

[inland tusk]

Big Horn is op af atm,not even a capacitor can do what BH does,its ridiculous

[mossy solstice]

Bighorn needs a slight nerf. Instead of 6% per stack it should be 4%

Umbra also needs a slight rof nerf for pvp. Not too much, maybe 5-10% or so

[calm plinth]

no

[calm plinth]

makes sense, i think this guy just really wants to avoid meta builds at all costs

[modern gull]

yeah i just want to diversify for the most part
i already have bighorn and umbra builds so

sucks that they're mid

[wet badger]

It's very possible to avoid meta and still do well but he'll need to be pretty decent himself, and have a squad at the ready to match a server that keeps getting stronger as more people turn up.

Then you're on a timer, good server? How long until the cheater joins, who's gonna get salty and invite the cheater?

[golden ermine]

2% but increase max stacks to 50 and add a chestpiece talent that works like obliterate but for headshots

[modern gull]

also just what the hell are this regulus shield setups that keep screwing me over

[calm plinth]

that’s when you go umbra and stagger them

[modern gull]

oh to just nuke their shield and do whatever

[wet badger]

Stagger, beam shield, shield causes confusion, continue shooting your capacitor, shield player dead

[modern gull]

ah i don’t have capacitor

[wet badger]

But if it's a tank pistol that might not work as well

Get one then

[modern gull]

wish it was that easy lol

[wet badger]

It is, there's a project in summit where it's a guaranteed drop

[calm plinth]

yeah takes about 30 mins just run through the floors on normal

[calm plinth]

i’m curious what your umbra build is if you aren’t using capacitor?

[modern gull]

oh shit?

i didn’t know about this

[modern gull]

umbra pesti, iron lung, or ar

[calm plinth]

make sure you choose 2 challenges when you do it usually 1 involves kills and 1 involves going through the floors. Never reset your checkpoints or it resets your challenge progress just die to go back to floor 1

[calm plinth]

send them i’m a bit worried now

[modern gull]

damn ok

[calm plinth]

don’t use EB with umbra

i use coyote mask with ceska vigi bp for LMGs i honestly don’t know if yours is good or bad

[modern gull]

ceska vigi bp is with chc chd and chd mod

[wet badger]

Yeah Ceska bag for Umbra vig is usually the play, it's a world of difference using the capacitor Vs the EB.

For Cap you use ninjabike and Picaro

[calm plinth]

the thing i’m unsure ab is contractor gloves

i mean it makes sense cause the set bonus id assume it’s better long range and coyote is better for short

[wet badger]

That's the build for irong lung and pesti

[calm plinth]

shit i don’t use LMGs that’s good to know then

[wet badger]

I suppose I should finally finish my Umbra video that I started 3 months ago

[calm plinth]

the only video i’ve seen on it was widdz and he used 1pc ceska with the capacitor 😭

[modern gull]

is the project the 15 floors of summit on any difficulty? @wet badger

[wet badger]

Hmm he did consult me, I didn't advise that.. whatever.

It's kinda hard to go wrong with umbra hybrid

[modern gull]

or is it a different one

[calm plinth]

you just do 5 challenges

any difficulty

[wet badger]

Maybe check a nothingbutskillz video, he does good guides

[modern gull]

for how many floors?

[calm plinth]

doesn’t matter i recommend constantly dying to reset to floor 1 and doing the ascend challenges

[modern gull]

oh i thought you meant directives

[calm plinth]

there’s 1-2 easy kill challenges but the ascend ones are easy to cheese on normal

[lofty portal]

fr, his hunter guides were by far the best ones out there aswell

[calm plinth]

just make sure to die and not reset your progress in the lobby learned the hard way about that should take like 30 mins

[modern gull]

so just any 5 ascent or tactical challenges

[wet badger]

Yeah I used those too

[calm plinth]

ye

the 3 floors in 15 mins are super easy

[modern gull]

true

[modern gull]

quick question though why specifically the capacitor?

[lavish basin]

Damage to armour on second stat

[modern gull]

just got it with max dtooc

[wet badger]

Dayum, nice.

People use the capacitor because it's base damage since project resolve is top tier and it scales with yellows.

You can go hybrid but hit like 90% of a DPS build, even harder if u build it that way

[modern gull]

yeah i do want to try out a skill build soon

missing the capacitor was one of the barriers for it

now that i have it i should get to working on that

[modern gull]

in the meantime this should be it no?

don’t have nbb so can’t use that sadly

[wet badger]

You don't use capacitor with vigilance.

ninjabike and Picaro holster, pick any final brand set they pretty much all work

[modern gull]

don’t have nbb crap

[wet badger]

There's your next quest

[modern gull]

still haven’t been able to get it yet

i’ve gotten the bighorn and the ravenous out of the dz within the same week

but still no nbb

what brand sets do people use the capacitor with for skill builds?

[mossy solstice]

I can get behind that

[calm plinth]

1pc walker picaro holster

the 2 main versions i see are either 6 blue with emp sticky or 4 blue 2 yellow and explosive sticky

the explosive sticky will do like 400k

[mossy solstice]

You could do 1 PC Grupo 1 PC china light for more explo

Pair it with tech to boost capacitor

[modern gull]

what backpack talent

[calm plinth]

ninja bike

[modern gull]

the one thing i don't have lol

welp

time to get countdown farming

[calm plinth]

could try finding others in the lfg to target loot farm with you

[modern gull]

also would this picaro's be good?

[mossy solstice]

That's good he's

Ye

[modern gull]

what uhh

what chest piece and talent

[mossy solstice]

Umbra

[modern gull]

oh right

forgot

but that's umbra capacitor

i was more curious about an a 6 skill tier capacitor setup

[mossy solstice]

Exactly

Roll a few blues and yellows and pair it with tech

[modern gull]

interesting

what capacitor skill build could i use in the meantime without nbb

[mossy solstice]

Requires Ninjabike

[modern gull]

rip

even 6 skill tier setups?

[golden ermine]

I do 6 blue with fire sticky

[tranquil nest]

Here's my umbra build

[calm plinth]

yellow cores > red cores

buffing your skills and also still buffing your wep damage

[modern gull]

hmm ok

[modern gull]

so replace the two red cores for yellows?

or even the blues?

[wet badger]

They aren't referred to as capacitor builds, those are just skill builds and yes on most 6 yellow skill builds you use a capacitor but you use it for the buff not to deal damage per say

[modern gull]

fair

[wet badger]

I can send some screenshots of some skill builds later, ping me if I forget

[modern gull]

sure

[calm plinth]

i told you what to run bruh

[calm plinth]

i’m bad at aiming my sticky so i use emp

[modern gull]

is that a yes or no then?
do i only replace the red cores with yellows?

[lofty portal]

do you even use capacitor in pvp?

i mostly just use a shotgun with in sync or a pistol

[wet badger]

Yeah of course... When u hit a skill like a sticky you still need to out lead down range, the gun deals damage

[lofty portal]

sure but if you peak you are pretty much dead if they fire back (ofc not when they burn)

[modern gull]

not with umbra
you peak out, and just melt

[wet badger]

Peek? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Who peeks in this game

[modern gull]

truth nuke

[lofty portal]

we talking about skill builds here

[lofty portal]

man idk what you mean

is it funny because it’s peek rther than peak?

[wet badger]

I'm not taking the piss out of your spelling, I'm laughing at the fact that u mentioned a skill build player peeking, u dont need to peek to use skills

[golden ermine]

Valid, I use it to knock umbra or squishy players in general out of cover which is a relatively easy shot tho

[slow mason]

No

The bleed actually matters there

And there’s a lot of better weapons

[modern gull]

dunno if now constitutes as later but if you're available do share

[calm plinth]

the harvest or liberty work fine

[calm plinth]

harvest has higher base damage than reg iirc could be wrong tho liberty is for crit pistol builds

[modern gull]

3 piece imminence, punch drunk mask

forgot what the other two pieces should be

for pvp? no

don't think so

i think 1 pc ceska and 1 pc grupo

i don't know if pistol shield uses crits or headshot damage

don't quote me ofc i'm just brainstorming, i only recently got back into the game

[calm plinth]

depends what youre wanting

are you wanting a tanky regen hsd build? or a more standard hsd damage based build? or a crit pistol build?

[modern gull]

i assume he's talking about the regulus shield setups

at least that's what i'm thinking of

most i see in conflict run something akin to this

i have no idea if this is the meta setup though

it might be headshot i don't know

would probably make more sense for it to be headshot
and instead of ceska and grupo it's like 2 pc walker or something

[calm plinth]

bro just making stuff up 💔

[modern gull]

i have no idea dawg i'm just rambling off what i think it is please correct me 😭

[calm plinth]

it depends on what you want my 2 reg builds are glass and regen hsd

[wet badger]

Not grupo but everything else there is fine

Liberty is really bad now since the changed the rpm and lowered the damage.

Same thing with the EB, it's not as good since they nerfed the damage.

If u wanna pistol without reg the Harvest is your best bet

[modern gull]

what would you run instead of grupo

habsburg maybe?

[calm plinth]

can you send your fire sticky and mortar build 😻

[wet badger]

Fire sticky is already here, search

[calm plinth]

didn’t you say you’d send for pyramid

[wet badger]

I'm not at PC

[modern gull]

i can wait lol i'm patient

just ping me whenever you do

[calm plinth]

@modern gull will you playing in the big tournament happening soon?

[modern gull]

i didn't even know there was a tourney

plus i'm horrible at this game's pvp so i'd get smoked regardless

[calm plinth]

well it’d be a good learning lesson then

[modern gull]

it could

where are the details for it?

[calm plinth]

not sure i think cr*pto is involved with it

[modern gull]

also what would you run instead of grupo

[slow mason]

prolly fox

[modern gull]

makes sense

[lavish basin]

@silent osprey you're looking for #lfg-playstation

[lofty portal]

i use coyotes and a dh piece

[naive mulch]

whats the build where you just tank everything u run around and dont die

ive seen one run around being chased by us 4 and still not die

[golden ermine]

Regen hs

Aegis if they fixed it

[inland tusk]

Liberty on console is fine rpm is 230 which is faster than regulus and harvest,on pc where everyone peeks only corners liberty is not usable

[modern gull]

could it be this?
saw someone using this i in conflict i just forgot the attributes and mods

[modern gull]

also hey i just got nbb

what skills should i be running with capacitor umbra? or is it dealer's choice?

[mossy solstice]

Decoy and whatever else you choose. Seeker works well, sticky bomb works good. Hive can work. If you're feeling funky, go demo and use mortar turret

I've been rocking mine with mortar/explo sticky. Ninja, 3 PC umbra, Skill Tier/crits grupo mask and a China light holster with skill tier/crits

[hollow pier]

What's the best Chest and bag + talents to br using while running bighorn in dz?

Was thinking GilGuard+ Concussion bagpack, GilG gloves and holster with Catharis Mask and trying to farm for Emperors Guard knees but not sure really for the chest

[modern gull]

for dz? i like using everyday carrier for perfectly efficient or hunter-killer for perfect intimidate on the chest

backpack talent is adrenaline rush no doubt

[inland tusk]

Unbreakable/Perf Efficient/Intimidate and bp can be adrenaline rush or concussion

[modern gull]

i'd like to keep my 6 skill tiers so i'll stay with technician

but what about smart cover? is smart cover any good?

actually no nvm, with umbra i have to get out of cover for it to function which also nullifies smart cover

[calm plinth]

defender drone/sticky

sometimes i use pulse instead of drone

[modern gull]

i do like pulse

i could have a secondary lexington with the funny pulse laser and use flatline talent

but defender drone sticky might be better

which sticky does it matter or do they all work?

[calm plinth]

id roll off a yellow to blue on your build btw but since youre running yellows explosive or fire

[modern gull]

i'll try with the yellows since it gives me 6 tiers

if i find that i die too easily i'll roll blue

[golden ermine]

Or smart cover/sticky for range, trust

[modern gull]

this is umbra smart cover wouldn't work well

[golden ermine]

My b, didnt see the umbra part

[wet badger]

You probably want to use drone, especially with yellows, it gives back toughness u lose when you pick yellows over blues, that's kinda the point.

Your yellows give you damage and tankiness.

But you must keep an offensive skill, basically any 1 of the 3 stickies will do.

Yes you can run decoy but then you must be more careful about your peeks as you will be weaker.

[novel mirage]

What are the three fixed skills?

[wet badger]

Sticky, Drone, Decoy - Mix and match to adapt.

You can obviously change to other skills if u know that you need them and that u need to use them as opposed to a team mate.

For example if you face a mortar, run a Kard for +1 this way you can change to a jammer and jam the mortar down.

Change mask to Nightwatcher and be the Pulse for the team.

Theres many options but do keep at least 1 sticky on at all times, decoy for angle holding and kiting, drone for taking your fights head on

[novel mirage]

Thank you

[wet badger]

You can add 1 blue and use the named pistol, but when it comes to proccing the pistol talent a stable pistol is easier for ranged targets and i dont really ned the blue as i stay a mile away behind walls

status, skill damage rolled everywhere

.

Explosive Res Mortar, I think its 90%, dont even need that much but its a good counter to other mortar players, u can swap the sticky for a jammer.

All Haste + Damage, Blue rolls are Exp Res obvs

1 shot sticky build, 1 shots most builds, i think it hits 2.1-ish, more with team buffs

has 1.6M armour too and 560k HP

If you encounter another explosive player u can swap your gila for R&K

[modern gull]

wow, thanks @wet badger
i'll be seeing what i can do to make these, seems like a lot of investment

[vital rover]

did u gusy play lately PVP in DZ? i did that mistake over and over again...hoping things will improve. I just left DZ west.....met at least 5 cheating players using aimbots, lagging software, shooting through walls...it is unbelievable how the gaming experience in DZ turned from OK-ish to a disaster....

[low valve]

Oh no no no, I haven’t touched the DZ for a long time. It’s not really worth going in there.

[devout sable]

What is a good shredding St Elmo Conflict Build?

[lofty portal]

what do you think of this HazProt mortar build?

[wet badger]

its good but shield + kinetic doesnt work too well together

[storm anvil]

doesnt matter your build. The DZ and conflict or mostly cheaters so you are just going to die regardless

[shrewd roost]

This a good eb pvp build?

What can I do to improve it

[near cipher]

Im making a backfire zero bleed build, is it worth it?

[mossy solstice]

Backfire isn't worth it in pvp

[near cipher]

Pve build sorry

[mossy solstice]

Not use striker, unless in dz. Even then just go high end. Additionally, eb is kinda mid in pvp. Bighorn is king

[near cipher]

Yeah I'm a returning player and made this build, I don't have big horn either

[golden ermine]

Crit dam way too low ngl

[near cipher]

Im trying not to bleed

So bleed resistance

[lofty portal]

i see, thx

[inland tusk]

Couple of console ppl swear by that gun,only with clutch thou,in PvP

[mossy solstice]

The fire rate is absolutely not saving you one but even with clutch 💀💀 you'd need full stacks chatterbox or Ouroboros to make clutch work

And really good strafing skills

[inland tusk]

I can't post yt vids here ,yt it its there

[mossy solstice]

...on PC? LOL good luck. On console yeah probably it would work

[mossy solstice]

Why does this not surprise me

[inland tusk]

I only saw like 5 sec of the vid😂 i turned it off

[wet badger]

Clutch would be good if it didn't have a stupid activation mechanic.

It's another case of a knee jerk reaction that was NEVER revisited.

[mossy solstice]

PVP in a nutshell:

"let's change a bunch of shit and then never revisit it later"

[magic herald]

Does anyone have a build list for the mortar shield builds in conflict?

They're super toxic and if you can't beat them might as well join them

[limber cedar]

project resolve has disconnected

[mossy solstice]

LITERALLY

[limber cedar]

Today I discovered that the sniper turret can activate the health gate.

(The health gate is the game mechanic that when you receive a non-player damage that can kill you, it leaves you 1HP for half a second.)

[lofty portal]

this is mine, there be better tho

[inland tusk]

I tested that sniper turret way back,before WoNY,it didn't activate then 😂 so they changed it and didn't tell us,great

[golden ermine]

They dont mention alot of minor changes

System corrupt used to make you immune to ridgeway when kit was active

[limber cedar]

Maybe because some talents don't apply to blue armor, only white armor.

[storm anvil]

I hate that they have Conflict and DZ XP events because its damn near impossible for any legit player to participate or have fun in those events due to the excessive cheating problem.

[vernal scaffold]

Trying to have a bighorn pvp striker build cause im tired of getting my butt chewed up in the SZ

DZ

[light drift]

I can guess it’s skill damage for the yellow attribute but what’s the blue ones? Hazard or?

[lofty portal]

yep, and the mods are disrupt resistance (up to the needed threshold to be immune) and anything else you need

[light drift]

oh yeah, I’m definitely trying that one out, I’ve been trying to put together a mortar build but couldn’t figure out anything decent so far.

Time to turn to the dark side of the force, kek

[wet badger]

Check this one

[vernal scaffold]

I have something similar but not.fully maxed out. So im wondering if thats why I can't drop ppl as fast as they drop me

[light drift]

Controversial Take:

Disabling Expertise in PVP Areas (Conflict and DZ)

What would break and what would become even more busted?

[wet badger]

Well, it's not so strong from 0 stacks, you have to work harder to get to the point where you stat check, but once you do you feel power

[storm anvil]

100% AGREED. There is a lot of potential in PvP however they arent executing it, dealing with cheaters, and providing a "skill gap." They most likely wont do much or anything until the Division 3

[light drift]

Well, only time will tell.
But still, it’s important to look at my question.

Some builds could make a come back, others would either make or break because some build only work because of Expertise

As for which, I have no idea

[storm anvil]

I read your question and I think it would be a great idea to adopt this into the game. Very unfortunate how stagnant the "Meta" is right now

[golden ermine]

Issue is that is a big middle finger to anyone who already farmed it

When expertise dropped, it shouldn't have applied to the dz, now everyone has spent countless hours farming it

[light drift]

That was the other side of the coin I was thinking about.

It’s a damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

But next game should allow for a fresh start and hopefully notes have been made on not adding anything extra to pvp

[golden ermine]

I would of liked a rogue watch system added with expertise but it only affects pvp while expertise didnt. Just so we'd get something to farm and the pve players would get something to farm. (It would take pvp kills to upgrade the watch )

[storm anvil]

people I get consistently everywhere lmfao

oh for sure!

[calm plinth]

yeah we farmed it so hard, like there totally weren’t a ton of xp and mat glitches in the past that new players will never have access to

also low iq logic it’s like a ww2 vet saying it’s only fair that drafts exist because they had to do it too

[golden ermine]

I farmed it 🥹

[golden ermine]

Im not saying I personally care, im saying that it would upset a decent amount of players if they did it this late as opposed to doing it originally

[modern gull]

how good is this named super 90 with dttooc?

i see people use shotguns with brazen and saw that this one in my inventory has dttooc and perfect brazen

[slow mason]

i wouldnt use it over any m870

idt semi auto shotguns were good since in sync shield meta

plus perfect brazen doesnt actually increase max damage

[modern gull]

ah fair

i do believe i have ana m870 with dttooc and brazen

how good would it be?

[slow mason]

prob among the best for shotgun builds

[calm plinth]

the only players it would upset are non pvp players who are bad

[modern gull]

what would be a shotgun build?

i also see people use acs 12 with brazen as well

[slow mason]

likely just the normal ar build but with badger instead of fenris lol

intim + ad rush

[modern gull]

makes sense

[slow mason]

coyotes, fox, contractors, groupo, ceska, badger prob

iim looking for a groupo so i have a walker there instead

[modern gull]

does it work as a good striker secondary or is it meh?

i guess instead of rock n roll or lefty i could use acs brazen

but rock n roll is fun because of the 30 shells so idk

[slow mason]

you could but then it means you gotta choos ebetween finisher or sledgehamer on pistol

so i just use lefty and a finisher pistol for striker

[modern gull]

yeah fair i usually use lefty as well

[calm plinth]

no you don’t use acs on a shotgun build

[modern gull]

damn

also i'm working on getting the nemesis soon what would be the best build with that?
or is it just the build pinned in #td2-build-advice

this one i mean

[calm plinth]

that’s about right

mine is 2 blues with picaro

[modern gull]

what skills?
i assume pulse because of perfect spotter and flatline

[calm plinth]

situational but pulse and reviver hive

[modern gull]

gotchaa

sucks that i have to wait for 3 whole weeks just to get nemesis guaranteed 😭

[modern gull]

oh and what attribute?

chc or chd?

[slow mason]

doesnt really matter as long as your total is around 55 chance and rest dmg

[modern gull]

with fenris lexington goes up to 58 but nemesis only 48

though i think the remaining chc comes from coyote as nemesis is only from range right?

[slow mason]

i think thats prolly fine cause nemesis engagement range is usually over 25m anyway yeah

[modern gull]

does the nemesis have to crit for it to one shot headshot?

bit worried since it's a crit build

[slow mason]

prob no but body yea

[modern gull]

oh that's why the crit is there

fun

[calm plinth]

i find it a but unreliable which is why i run 2 blues and picaro instead of fenris

more reliable crit body kills and hsd

[slow mason]

arent they the same tho

[modern gull]

that's fair because of weapon damage instead of ar damage

[slow mason]

oh wait yea nvm

wd

[modern gull]

with picaro's rolled for cd lexi is at 52

[slow mason]

just swap a mod over

[modern gull]

though that's because i use technician laser for flatline

oh is 52 not good enough?

[slow mason]

idk about others but even with coyotes in pvp i like getting at least 55 chc

[modern gull]

fair

[slow mason]

i just usually ust treat coyotes like a better groupo piece

so ill try to hover around the 55 mark like 54-56

[shrewd roost]

Bro I love doing PvP in dz but I feel so bad when I kill a new player 😭

I killed him and he dropped like 2 items and they were 2 high end pieces so I just left them there

[golden ermine]

Dont

[tardy badger]

Add Me (YZN-SUPERNOVA)

Have Good day everyone 🤗

[shrewd roost]

Wdym 😭

I just have a lot of empathy so I think that’s why I feel bad

[golden ermine]

You gonna see

[inland tusk]

How about we leave expertise alone

Can i not follow orders and be a good player at the same time?

[amber ice]

@tardy badger If you want to post your clan, you can head on over to #td2-clan-recruitment, but make sure you follow the format listed in the 📌 pinned-message.

[wet badger]

I know the lore behind that account, can't reveal too much but the user bought it from the guy who obtained the SHD, just like those guys who had the 1M SHD accounts back when SHD still gave Health, the user changed hands.

[wet badger]

Yeah this is absolutely fine, there is definitely an argument for Grupo>Contractor especially when you fight shields but either works well.

Maybe a DB sidearm

[wet badger]

Use at least 50 CHC, no more than 55

[lofty portal]

that's true but you can get the blueprint from GWH and farm in CD

[modern gull]

i just got the bp yeah

from gwh

now i need the piece from capitol building and the one from roosevelt island

[slow mason]

if you have the blueprint you can drop it in open world and by farming

do countdown like bazookas said

[modern gull]

oh really?

that's interesting

thought you'd haave to have the whole weapon for it

[slow mason]

nah just the bp

its like that for all exotics pretty sure

[modern gull]

got it and rolled it for dttooc

12 mill crit on headshot in firing range

hopefully that translates to a one shot in pvp

[light drift]

If you can, take a screenshot of your stats, with PvP DMG, Headshot and Crit Percentage

I think I can come to a approximate

[light drift]

Non-Crit ≈ 773k
Crit Headshot ≈ 1.266M

[modern gull]

damn seriously?

so it won’t even one shot

[light drift]

Still unsure because I might not be accounting for the 100% on fully charged shot

[modern gull]

well there’s that and perfect spotter

[light drift]

Ok so this is just raw dmg and crit.
now if we add the rest then it is capable of one shooting, I believe

[modern gull]

in the firing range against an armored opponent i'm able to hit a 10 mill headshot crit and a 7 mill non crit headshot

with pulse and perfect spotter that goes to 12 mill and 7.5 mill respectively

how does that translate to pvp damage?

ok so looking at the pvp guide marksman rifles have a 0.2663 multi for pvp

so it should 1 shot headshot if it crits

[golden ermine]

It should 1 shot

[modern gull]

maybe one shot headshot without crits but enemy has to not have 6 blues with high expertise

1.8 mill on non crit headshot without spotter

it should work

it should also one shot to the body with spotter and crit

[light drift]

I would recommend asking for a friend to join you in the DZ just to be sure

Join, leave group the run the test

[modern gull]

true

decided to go for picaro's and roll the grupo piece to a red core for more consistent damage with nemesis

maybe i should roll more reds to be safe

but i should be fine

[light drift]

Having 10% while having extra armor is good, I agree.

[modern gull]

i seriously need to get the blueprints for the other optimization materials

i only have the black tusk one lol

[mossy solstice]

If you're feeling frisky, run this setup

I've got some playtime with it in DZ/Conflict. Really nice setup. Depending how much armor an enemy has, it can even 1 shot Bodyshot. Again, dependent on enemy armor. This will 1 shot headshot tho

Don't freak out over the Yaahl holster being a red core. Yaahl holster (and so can the chest) can be crafted. When Yaahl goes on sale in clan vendors, be sure to stock up on those mats

[molten obsidian]

Why is Darkzone entirely dead ? I have 2 achievements one for kill 1 player in every zone and cut rope, not a single player in any DZ for 1 week now, WTF ?

Like I don't get it, I thought the game made a comeback ???

Where are the players

[low valve]

Might be the servers you’re in?
Or maybe people have been more focused on other game modes

There’s no shortage of people in Conflict

[molten obsidian]

How I know my server ?

Europe ?

[low valve]

Not sure

Well regardless
Depending on what you’re going into DZ for, some welcome the idea of being alone in the DZ since it makes running landmarks and extracting smoother
But no matter how quiet it can be it’s always best to assume you’re not alone

[molten obsidian]

Tnx I'll check.
I'm 2 achievements from 100% and they are both DZ and no players 😭 Maybe I ask here

[modern gull]

is one red core necessary for this or can i go all 6 blue?

and is this also viable (and by viable i mean at the very least usable) with eagle bearer or is bighorn the only pick to use for it

[shrewd roost]

I need a good eb PvP build since I don’t really like the bighorn and I think bighorn regen builds are corny so any good builds yall recommend?

[slow mason]

eagle likely won’t hit hard enough for it

[modern gull]

rip but makes sense

[modern gull]

@shrewd roost

got this from crypt

[slow mason]

Also not sure but I think that red is just for extra dmg since he likely has 6blues worth of armour from the expertise

[modern gull]

that’s fair

i’ll go for 6 blue

hazpro is so nice

gotta ask though what’s the best way to get maxed out mods?

[slow mason]

lowkey just play the game and they’ll drop

unless you really want them go farm mods but I wouldn’t do that

[shrewd roost]

I hate building stacks tho especially in PvP

[slow mason]

just use this then and swap the chest for unbreakable

eb kinda gets outdamaged by most guns btw so i would only really use it as a secondary for those 1vx scenarios

[modern gull]

i think they'd find more success with this

from the pvp guide

oops wrong ping

[modern gull]

@shrewd roost

[slow mason]

would use contractors instead/in addition to foxes

[shrewd roost]

How do I get contractors gloves?

[modern gull]

yeah i agree

[slow mason]

farm countdown petrov

[modern gull]

contractors over fox's if i alreaady have dttooc on my gun

[shrewd roost]

I also don’t have matador

[slow mason]

use fenris bag then

[modern gull]

can just go normal walker harris bag with adrenaline rush

[slow mason]

and use contractors and foxes

[modern gull]

or that

that works too

[shrewd roost]

What skills should I use

[slow mason]

they provide similar amounts of damage increase but its just that getting rid of the dtooc bonus is way easier than the dta

[slow mason]

anything you want

prolly a sticky of some kind in at least 1 slot tho

[modern gull]

oh are they not multiplicative with each other?

[slow mason]

they are

oh i see where i said it wrong lemme edit that

[shrewd roost]

Is this build good? I can use the same holster just with another red core instead of armor

[slow mason]

if you use catharsis you usually want 5-6 blue cores

[shrewd roost]

Oh

So use coyotes mask?

[slow mason]

your bag talent should also be adrenaline rush or vigilance

[slow mason]

just scroll up for the 2 builds we sent

[shrewd roost]

Sadly I can’t reconfigure my talent on this god roll bag

It’s a normal horizons rucksack but should I try to get another one and reconfigure that one?

[slow mason]

yea

[shrewd roost]

K

[modern gull]

finally got done with the striker bighorn hazpro setup

sadly only 50 hazpro because the rolls are slightly mid

i'm hoping tomorrow is targeted loot walker & harris

would be really nice

[modern gull]

yes ofc

taking striker into conflict is just yikes

[calm plinth]

this isnt a thing

50 haz is useless and ur gonna be shooting peas

[modern gull]

striker hazpro headshot is definitely a thing?

[modern gull]

i literally just got it from here

it’s only 50 because of low rolls

this would max out at 60

[calm plinth]

60 might work if they arent running intim

[modern gull]

i just need a lot of optimization stuff which i don’t know how to farm

[calm plinth]

im not seeing how it counters foam, even with 60 youre being stuck in place for a long time

[modern gull]

his most recent video shows him using it and shredding well

though that could just be because of the expertise idk

[golden ermine]

In a 1 on 1, they get like 2 bullets off before you get unfoamed if they have good aim and you can use res mods if foam is becoming an issue. And it doesnt "shoot peas" It hits extremely hard, I used it a little on xbox

Very situational tho

[red wolf]

who can help me farming dz points if you wana join 🫶

[wet badger]

You can go 6 blue but it's a damage build, u don't want to be more tanky for no good reason

[wet badger]

No, never use a normal walker bag for vigilance.

Get the Ceska bag, and roll vigilance, this is for an angle holding build.

For ad rush:

If you don't have a Matador you can supplement it with another regular brand like Ceska or grupo or fenris, with a blue core preferably. Even Gila would be ok but you'd need to use more gila pieces to make that worthwhile but then you've essentially changed the build.

[wet badger]

That's when you put 2 mods on.

[gilded kindle]

think its worth swapping imminence bag for gift and foxes for imminence for small dmg reduction but better vigi uptime ?

[wet badger]

Good as is

[wet badger]

The Gift is pretty irrevelant these days

[gilded kindle]

idk the dmg diff is very minimal

[modern gull]

i need to get a regulus or harvest

[inland tusk]

Do a raid for regulus, plenty of ppl and yt ppl do raids carries

[modern gull]

iron horse right?

[modern gull]

the quest for it looks really daunting
can you just get the blueprint and farm countdown or something?

[amber ice]

Nope.

[modern gull]

sadge

[slow mason]

its just 2 weeks and 3 full raids total

[modern gull]

what's the total questline

[amber ice]

@modern gull That's more of a question for #td2-raid-discussions

[modern gull]

fair

[shrewd roost]

I just got a foxs prayer god roll from countdown, W

[light drift]

How did that sniper build fare? Were you able to test with a friend?

[light drift]

W

[modern gull]

i haven't no
but boy does it do a lot of damage regardless

[light drift]

Lmao

Nice

[modern gull]

umbra levels of damage with lexington

i imagine it will be good enough for nemesis either way

[limber cedar]

Is a Tier 0 EMP stick enough to kill a tier 1 defender drone? I mean the explosion range and the defender drone flying near the agent.

[lofty portal]

nah, only thing i’d recommend is more reds

i run this

[light drift]

That and corner peeking, which is basically how it works

@lofty portal btw what would you recommend for the Liberty? That or something similar?

[limber cedar]

Not using it at all.

[light drift]

sadge

[shrewd roost]

How much armor should I have minimum in pvp? Dz only

[modern gull]

depends on your setup

if you're going to be up in people's faces with ars or smgs the more blues the better, 5 ideally 6

[golden ermine]

Depends on build

Bighorn builds, full blue.

[gilded kindle]

nah i pref the 3-3 split, played pistol a lot just not w the new brand set

[lofty portal]

For Liberty only a Crit build but even Regulus with a Crit build is better now

[lofty portal]

i either use 6 red with vigi/gunslinger or 6 blue with inti/adrush

[modern gull]

i plan to try and use vigi glass cannon with 3-3

i just need to get a regulus and uhh
it looks super daunting and no one is hosting it right now

[amber ice]

It might help if you post down in #lfg-raid-pc, but also remember to hop on the GCrock discord server, as that reguarly brings newbies through the Raids.

[lofty portal]

if you go glass cannon the 3 blues won’t help at all, either go 3 blues with another talent or go 6 red glass cannon

[modern gull]

so if you're going glass cannon you go all in on damage

[lofty portal]

exactly, glass cannon is just a super risky option anyways

[modern gull]

i'll see what i can try and make then

would it be better to go for headshot damage or crit?

[inland tusk]

What?

[wet badger]

Sometimes but not from the floor I don't think

[wet badger]

Please don't use glass with blues that just wastes your talent,

[languid venture]

Any1 know how to do that little toxic slide I see ppl do on bodys and how you do it

[golden ermine]

Teabag?

Spam sprint if you have hold to sprint on

[languid venture]

Like they look like thy are sliding on bodys

This thing whr it look like they are sliding on peoples bodys

Idk what it's called but I Wana know how to do it

[amber ice]

Sounds like desync, we call that "playing online in Australia".

[slow mason]

def not desync, its a repeatable thing

like you can do it on demand

[languid venture]

Ya you can do it anywhere anytime

[amber ice]

Yeah that's how it is here, it's pretty consistent.

Once did a Raid in WF on 1063 ping, good times.

[languid venture]

God damn

Ya just ain't a lag thing tho and people on yt and tiktok just don't show it

[amber ice]

consistently terrible ping will give you a weird sense of how to work around it, you start to react weirdly when it's low.

[slow mason]

yea its def not a lag thing

[amber ice]

that's my excuse anyway

[slow mason]

i usually just emote instead so i dont bother with that

[languid venture]

Lol

[slow mason]

ive also seen people run around while still in the in cover animation

thats pretty annoying

[languid venture]

Emote take to long

[golden ermine]

Teabag lol

[tawdry pier]

pull your movement stick to 7-8 o'clock and repeatedly click the run button while being on hold to run

[lofty portal]

you can go what you want, glass cannon with headshot is especially good for 1-shotting people

[modern gull]

wait does it? does running blues just straight up cancel out glass cannon?

[wet badger]

why would you invest blues on a build then use a talent that makes u take more damage, just use more reds if u want damage...

[modern gull]

ah ok

[mossy solstice]

At that rate taking Glass Cannon and slapping on blues defeats the purpose of literally being a glass cannon. If you're looking to deal more damage, without taking more damage, and have some survivability, swap out glass cannon for either Obliterate or Unbreakable. Backpack talent Vigi is usually paired with those types of builds. You could, however, go with companion for the backpack talent as well and play "hand holding" with teammates. That's only for more consistent uptime tho

The goal isn't to be at the front lines either, you'll kinda have to play as a 3rd party damage dealer. Basically that "quiet, mean guy in the back" role. Those play best in all types of PvP content. Glass cannon is perfect for it.

Figured I'd leave behind my 2 cents and experience with certain talents

[buoyant oracle]

Dumb question guys. Would the Bighorn regen build smoke a similar one with say Lex regen with chc/chd instead of hsd/hzp?

[lofty portal]

100%

bighorn has more base dps, more damage potential, more free rolls bc of only needing hsd

[buoyant oracle]

Figures. The stats on it are so dirty

[modern gull]

i did the raid today and am in the process of donating the materials

how do i make it only 2 weeks?

instead of 3?

[slow mason]

wym

i said 2 weeks

[modern gull]

i know that's why i'm asking

i know you have to do the raid thrice but wouldn't that require 3 weeks?

[slow mason]

no

twice in first week

wait for reset

last run gives reggy parts

[modern gull]

even on the same character?

[slow mason]

wym

you have to do it on the same charcter

btw

dont spread out your donations

[modern gull]

i might be overthinking this then

[slow mason]

like the ironworks parts

full donate 1 project first

cause it refunds you after you complete it

[modern gull]

oh no i'm not donating the ironworks or future initiative stuff until i have all of it

i know

someone in the gcrock server advised me of it

[slow mason]

if you have more questions we can go talk in #ask-td2-community or something

dont wanna clog up this channel

[modern gull]

ye ye fair

[modern gull]

i am still curious if i should go for a crit regulus or a headshot regulus for pvp

[slow mason]

ur immience pieces should be on holster chest and bag

[modern gull]

oh why?

[slow mason]

so you can run contractors and ffoxes lol

[modern gull]

but i wouldn't have enough crit without sacrificing a whole lot of chd

would it be better to just go headshot damage then?

[slow mason]

ig if you really want or dont have good enough pieces you can replace fox with ceska or something

[modern gull]

no idea why it keeps bugging out like that

but with this i'd have 52 chc and 105 chd

[modern gull]

that might be a better idea

54 chc and 129 chd

if i want to run both contractor's and fox's i'd just go for a full headshot hazpro build

[dull storm]

https://www.twitch.tv/nothingbutskillz/clip/AmusedCrowdedAnacondaNomNom-4NiP79G7gOh_ilTM

[modern gull]

would that be better to do or is crit just fine?

[slow mason]

it would be better yea

[modern gull]

this is about 50% hazpro

and should i go 6 reds or 3-3 split?

[slow mason]

its raelly up to you but i woudlnt use more than 3 blues on regulus

also imo you should swap the fox for yahhl and have haz on the contractors too

[modern gull]

hmm

wow 80 hazpro with that

[slow mason]

you have no source of regen nor bonus armour besides armour kit so 50% haz is gonna get you killed

[modern gull]

ye

i'd have to farm for all of these pieces so

[slow mason]

yea

[modern gull]

it'll be rough

[slow mason]

also earlier you asked crit or hsd you can go either tbh

but you should always be aiming for head

[modern gull]

well yeah ofc

[slow mason]

ive seen some people go hsd and chc

hsd and chd are additive after all

[modern gull]

this is the build that's the most accessible to me currently

as i have most of these

with the proper rolls

but if it's going to be ass to run i guess i'll just farm for the rest and cope with countdown

[slow mason]

no its totally fine to run

youll just lose to status lol

[modern gull]

right yeah

i also need to make that counter mortar setup

that crypt sent

but i've ignored library duties for so long i don't have many attributes or talents 😭

[lofty portal]

you can go with 6 blues and still 2-shot people with adrish/inti

[lofty portal]

this is imo the best regulus crit setup

[mossy solstice]

I run mine with coyote mask, D&H chest with unbreakable, Picaro's, ceska bag Vigi, contractors gloves and fox's kneepads. But mine is set up to utilize 3 different guns while still giving Regulus the best possible damage without fully speccing into it

2 blues 4 reds

Lexington primary, M870CS secondary, Regulus for pistol ofc. Decoy skill, bulwark shield, firewall specialist

[slow mason]

Ur right but that’s a big 2 shot range and it’s reliant on Intim and ad rush

Depends on build ig

[mossy solstice]

Build, strafe, and definitely skill level of opps

[modern gull]

i might've just been able to get something really interesting

ignore the weapons ofc but still

[wet badger]

No point in contractor if you already have 1 yaahl, go a 2nd yaahl

[modern gull]

oh ok

[modern gull]

should i roll for one more blue or is 2 blues fine?

the rolls for the blues are pretty mid on the yaahl pieces which suck but hey what can you do

[wet badger]

Anything with adrenalish rush should aim for as many blues as possible unless you're really confident or camp a really tight spot like stairs.

Try and get yourself a Harvest, I've been working on a non reg pistol build and it's kinda nasty.

I'd say at least 5 blues

[modern gull]

how do i get a harvest? i thought it was a holiday only thing

[wet badger]

You have to farm the goblin, not sure if it's still going, maybe someone else can chime in, the goblin comes back periodically for certain holidays

[modern gull]

oh i know about the goblin i’ve farmed him a few times, i just don’t think he drops it right now

might be hard to get 5 blues because those will basically be unicorn rolls for the chest and backpack so i’ll at least try for 3 or 4

[wet badger]

Yeah that's why u might have to resort to a couple of not so unicorn pieces.

It would mean dropping the yaahl probably.

I have a blue Matador and a blue dnh chest, so im good, u could get away with 4 blue but the lack of blue armour is a problem

[modern gull]

really wish that you could recalibrate more than one thing on a given piece

[wet badger]

But that'll take the grind out, will never happen.

[modern gull]

i might just cope

😭

[lofty portal]

i for the life of me can’t get a IA backpack with hsd, hazprot and adrush

i farmed over 50 CDs abd crafted more than 200 already but it won’t drop

[wet badger]

Only 200? Pffft casual.

I kinda need that piece too for a variant I'm working on

[modern gull]

i've been looking for that too man

😔

i'll just have to cope with the blues i have for now

or just go unbreakable/vigilance

i was also able to get the rest of the ironworks stuff done today
now i just have to wait until next weekly reset to do ironhorse one last time

[modern gull]

@wet badger
this is probably what i'll run with thanks to how the intim ad rush version is never going to appear in my life time lol

[wet badger]

Yeah thats pretty solid, but it obviously wont work as well in close range strafe fights

[amber ice]

@fair breach Is this is a "this is a cheater" thing?

[golden ermine]

Xbox so hope not

[amber ice]

Would not be the first time we've had someone make the claim.

[golden ermine]

You should see my dms on xbox :/