td2-pvp-discussions

[ripe root]

Having dynasty and in combat then change back to other holster

[proven spoke]

looking for a pvp group getting back into the game

[stiff storm]

That's it?

[wet badger]

Yes

[stiff storm]

@wet badger how have the devs not fixed it?

[craggy trench]

All you have to do is swap gear? How could they fix it

Gear lock was a terrible idea

[prisma fable]

looking for a pvp headshot crit build

[ripe root]

Hsd is hsd, crit is crit, unless u have 3 attributes at each item

[ripe root]

Lot of things that they haven't fix, they even haven't spotted that

[stiff storm]

Can't do both. You either go full Crit or HSD and HZD or Armor regen

Depending on the build

[neat musk]

you do both. a crit builds wants only headshots anyways for max DPS

[stiff storm]

Surprised not a lot of people know about it. Only the one dude I've running with it for more than a year now.

[neat musk]

if your not building with a second attribute in mind (like haz pro) or alternative brands (regen brands) theres 0 reason to use headshot (unless MMR)

[stiff storm]

Yup

I run mine with hazpro and it works great until you run into an oreo user

[ripe root]

I am baby level about game design but I guess, once you in combat and having dynasty, dynasty are activity until you burn someone, then even you drop dynasty, it still activating since the code are not end yet( part of apply burn)

[ripe root]

I think learn about bug/glitch also important topic in pvp, you don't actually need to using them but you know it, then you able to against them if someone using it

[prisma fable]

200/100 good?

[stiff storm]

200/100 what is this number indicating? If it's crit then it's unattainable because crit chance it capped at 60%.

[prisma fable]

57crit rate,200 crit,100 hs

is it good?

[stiff storm]

Depends on the build really

What weapon are you running and how much armor

Are you using improvised pieces to get these stats?

What are the chestpiece and backpack talents?

[prisma fable]

1.7m armor,perfectly unbreakable and concussion,EB x Famas both dttooc

[ripe root]

Beside perfect unbreak, what is other 4 piece

[prisma fable]

providence and chillout

grupo and badger turf

[ripe root]

Ok so you can't reach that number

[prisma fable]

i did

i have the oicture to prove

[stiff storm]

How are you able to get to 57% chc, 200% chd AND 100% HSD with the pieces you mentioned?

Also having that Badgertuff chest is useless

[prisma fable]

double crit on everything

[stiff storm]

And the headshot dmg?

[prisma fable]

improviced knees

[prisma fable]

providence,1 headshot mod maxed and maxed watch

[stiff storm]

Yeah you're better off with going with Fox's Prayer kneepads and switching the chest to a Ceska

Are you able to kill players with meta builds in the DZ with this setup?

[prisma fable]

yes

dont use it much tho

[stiff storm]

Hey if it's working for then great

[prisma fable]

its in uhh build help

[prisma fable]

i put fp on and it sets 10% down

[stiff storm]

Wym 10% down?

[stiff storm]

What's the 10%?

[prisma fable]

190

[stiff storm]

Go check your damage numbers in the shooting range and compare. Fox's prayer knees give you multiplicative dmg

[craggy trench]

Check the pinned builds

Speccing into both hsd/crit so heavily would be lower dmg than making a full crit or hsd build

[wet badger]

Unfortunately this is how you have to go about things, there are far too many little 'glitches' that are actually quite impactful and a lot of players use certain ones which if u can't detect can swing a fight in their favour over the course of a session, most of these have been reported but never got fixed, funnily enough a gear lock system would sort a lot of them out but that is far too restricting, if the Devs enabled a cooldown on item swaps that could be a good middle ground, allowing a swap without fully enabling glitches.

There are also bugs which can only be fixed by double swapping, so if the devs do implement gear lock in dark zone then you might fix some glitches but you'll also create a host of other problems..

[wet badger]

Try not to obsess over the stat numbers so much, focus more on which pieces are the best in order for a certain type of build then while following this rule you won't need to check what your crit damage really is.

Don't mix crit damage and headshot damage, this was a thing like 3-4 years ago but these days everyone has perfect builds and you'll be forced into gunfights where you'll be body shotting and you'll lose damage.

For a crit build the single most impactful piece is Ceska.

Then the staple for all DPS builds with 2 blues or more, Picaro Holster.

Then coyote is arguably one of the best pieces to pair with vigilance but you might want catharsis, if so go adrenaline rush.

Don't use perfectly unbreakable without a shotgun, pointless.

Grab a fenris jnstead and stick it somewhere.

Go crit damage on every piece and every mod, after u do this check your stats, look at your crit chance value, then add pieces like Grupo or walker (2 pieces or don't use any) matador is ok as a standalone piece because it's god tier.

Unbreakable is good for instant reliable armour for face tanking, but if u actually intend to survive a few gunfights use perfect efficient instead.

[ripe root]

Also a sad thing is, most of them reported but different description so these bug, glitch don't completely fixed
Also sometimes devs are copy old patch, wrote some code then update as new patch, causing some bug live again, for example carft table recently

[rapid rover]

whats the dz like on pc

[urban vector]

How to 1v3?

[mortal badge]

Hope the 3 are idiots

[urban vector]

I got deleted in 1s

Through unbreakable and everything

Damn is there even a way to win against someone with max expertise? Or it's just gg

[boreal jewel]

Hope that they're not good

[urban vector]

To not be good

And have max expertise...

Just uninstall at this point lol

He was also 13k shd

That's at least 3k hours

💀

[boreal jewel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient acorn]

Yeah that's just hows 1vXs go. If they're at the same skill level or higher than you, you're screwed. You can try to isolate them, to create 1v1s, but again they'd have to be worse than you.

[urban vector]

They just stack

I mean I killed 1 cuz I got foam on him

But then it's just gg

Also the loot is kinda dogshit

[ancient acorn]

Yeah you can't really expect to win those

[urban vector]

And hard to find ppl too

The best way I got is to wait for extraction

Or get lucky and hear gunshots

[craggy trench]

Regen and/or EB is best for fighting groups

As a solo fight dirty, foam them 1v3 use anything to win

Efficient helps with groups as well

[urban vector]

Yeah

I think ouro is not cutting it

It's good if I'm like 5m away rushing someone in bad position

But everyone is running ars and fighting from range if I don't jump on them

I should get kard too

Or idk does switching to it and then to foam give it +1?

[neat musk]

If your a solo efficient pretty much gives you the best chance possible imo

[neat musk]

this is also my problem with SMG's

if your not able to consistently get very close without dying they absolutely suck

[urban vector]

Yeah

But the dmg is nice if u can

[neat musk]

its the best DMG but without a healer I am just not good enough to get close and stay alive

solo I dont think SMG is viable for 1vX fights

[neat musk]

its not that useful tbqh

[urban vector]

If it gives 1 more foam it is

It's not like there's any other better weapon other then regulus

[neat musk]

Perfect finisher

[urban vector]

Isn't that on kill

Or wait

[neat musk]

yes but people use decoy all the time + NPC's (DZ)

it procs on killing a skill so its very worth

in case you didnt know striker also stacks on shooting a decoy

like the hologram

[urban vector]

I don't use striker so

[neat musk]

striker can be stupid strong if you play it right

[urban vector]

And idk

[neat musk]

should give it a try

[urban vector]

Haven't seen a lot of stuff ppl run

Cuz it's hard to find ppl

I saw pulse

Stinger

Drones

That's pretty much it

And decoy too like once

[neat musk]

I see alot of decoys and stinger hives

[urban vector]

Stinger is annoying cuz it makes your screen dark

I mean red

But yeah

[neat musk]

thats why people use it, its sole purpose is just to be annoying

[urban vector]

I use deflector foam

I even 1v2 cuz of deflector rng

Lol

[neat musk]

Dont use deflector. your better off using defender

[urban vector]

I mean I think it's defender

Little drone

[neat musk]

oh yea

thats just flat dmg reduction

can also try out fire sticky/emp sticky

[urban vector]

Won't help too much in 1v3

Unless they all stack

[neat musk]

emp staggers people, fire makes it so they cant shoot

[urban vector]

And I hit 3 of them

[neat musk]

in a 1vX fight your looking to isolate 1v1's. staggering someone can be a quick kill

[urban vector]

They can just be all together

[neat musk]

staggers all of em, good chance to maybe waste 1 of their kits

[urban vector]

They can just be together but apart so u can only hit 1

💀

[neat musk]

2 people shooting at you is better then 3

[urban vector]

Yeah

Especially if they kill u in 1s

[neat musk]

little things matter

[urban vector]

Well

It's not like it matters

The only thing that's worth in pvp is EB

And u will never get it

Other then that only purpose is ruining ppl extraction cuz they decided to farm dz instead of countdown

[ripe root]

@wet badger First of all, I don't think there's anything extraordinary about umbra capacitor, so it's not an excellent piece of build

in terms of positioning,it the highest proportion of team damage, at the same time, his position is relatively backward, from a similar position, we can compare it with other builds, such as regular umbra, high end with vigilance

the structure of the umbra capacitor, are sacrificing part of the firepower output, and invest in skills tier(damaging skills like bfb, or functional skills like decoy)

So naturally, simply speaking in terms of firepower output, it suppression ability, fatality and threat level, not as effective as conventional builds
So can the skills he invested in make up for these shortcomings?I think it's can't

Due to the need to take into account a certain degree of firepower output, its skills are not powerful enough to turn the tide of the battle, you even have to mix skills into battle, your damage can be equal to that of regular builds, but umbra capacitor no longer have enough space to invest in skills haste

Therefore, compared with same positioning conventional builds, your average damage will be lower, also your skills come with the risk of not hitting

So I do not think umbra capacitor is a good pvp build, of course, it is still a usable piece of build, because in non-top fight, you don't need to try your best at all, worse build is not the deciding factor in victory or defeat in daily pvp

[rugged stirrup]

any good builds?

[tranquil nest]

@craggy trench has a few

[stiff storm]

Anyone using the Mantis? Have you noticed a nerf to itself damage?

Didn't change anything on my build but I can't one shot-headshot players anymore.

[ripe root]

Maybe your opponent more tanky

[stiff storm]

Not the case. Spent like 4 hours, 3 of em were in a team, and I couldn't kill players in one hit like I used to just before the patch.

I one tapped players exactly 7 and they were already damaged.

I had to switch to the Nemesis at the end

Manhunt rank 200+

[ripe root]

many reasons causing different results, your team buff changes, opponents build changes, range damage decrease, opponents buff etc

Unless you are 100% sure everything is same

[calm plinth]

nah, umbra cap is top 3

ouro striker is better close range but that’s it really

(i should add this is assuming people aren’t cheesing with status and angles whatever)

[ripe root]

So my viewpoint are wrong, I got any misunderstanding
Or it still top 3 even with these issue?

[stiff storm]

At the end of the gaming session I did some testing with a friend who ran his usual 2 mil build and yeah it's changed. I used to be able to one tap with focus half full but now even with it fully charged it's not one tapping unless I crit.

[ripe root]

The key is not you able to 1 tab or not, key is number of your damage

Not everyone have same number of their armor

[ripe root]

Your friend have 2mil doesn't equal other people also have 2mil

Your damage when shot a people with 30m doesn't equal damage Which shoot people who stand 70m away

[stiff storm]

I'm saying I could one tap the same person before the latest patch. He helped test this specific build before to fine tune it.

[stiff storm]

Don't think this makes a difference with the mantis

[ripe root]

You know damage would decreasing by distance?

[ripe root]

What if you deal 1.99999999mil, and those people who 1 tap by you before, they only have 1.3?1.5?1.7？

[stiff storm]

You're not understanding me right now. I made this build after testing it with this same person and that was like two month ago. I specifically kept fine tuning it until I was able to one tap someone with 2 mil armor. He had 25 expertise at the time and he still does. The only thing that changed is my overall damage which seems to be lower.

Same build with the same stats.

Need the input of someone who regularly uses the weapon to see if they've noticed the same thing. I'll do some more testing tonight.

[calm plinth]

different guns are better in certain situations can’t really say their the best for everywhere for example capcitor would be pretty mid on dz south cp stairs but if playing at the landmark it would be amazing. from what i’ve experienced when in its preferred range it’s one of the best builds and most consistent builds in the game rn

[ripe root]

I understand you are able having capacitor stack consistently in landmark because AI, but it also a issue I mentioned, do the skill powerful enough to cover those weapon damage you lost

[calm plinth]

you’re not losing wep damage

i didn’t mean it’s better bc AI, it’s bc the range

capacitor is versatile bc it’s usable at all ranges but mid to long it’s one of the best

[calm plinth]

i think you are confusing capacitor stack, it is damage buff based off skill tier

[ripe root]

If you not invest any yellow, you lose damage by no weapon damage from gun talent

If you invest yellow core, you still lost weapon, which 2 yellow gain you 15, which If only equal 1 red

[ripe root]

I know it base off skill tier, the key what I mention it is, your skill would never be powerful as regular skill build, and it not often to help you beat opponent

When your skill are not powerful enough, and frequent are low, and you even need to sacrifice damage

[calm plinth]

it is more of the hybrid aspect of it, you get a lot of damage, armor, and skill tier

i haven’t done the math to know how much damage you’re realistically losing with it tho

if for example 3pc umbra 1pc walker 1pc picaro or 1pc ceska instead of walker (3 blues 2 yellow nb)

[ripe root]

Since you run umbra, what you earn about weapon damage :
3 yellow core from tech,ninja core and holster = 22.5 weapon damage from capacitor talent
1 red core from ninja = 15 weapon damage
5dta if from WH brand
15~25 crit damage from capacitor mod（compared with other exotic and highend)

Basically what you sacrifice:
2 attributes from backpack = 6chc 12 chd
Weapon talent ~ 30 weapon damage or good functional by exotic like EB kill buff, or iron lung
Backpack talent = vigilance = 25 total weapon damage

Then what you earn about skill
3 tier
Skill damage stack by capacitor
5 Dta from wh apply to sticky or other damaging skill
12 dta from capacitor

[calm plinth]

skill tier would be 5 on my particular build

[ripe root]

Then you skill still not powerful enough since you lacking tons of skill damage attributes, and you losing much more weapon damage by red core

[calm plinth]

not using skills for damage

mainly decoy and pulse/sticky

not sure what best umbra pvp build would be non nb, coyote + fenris backpack?

[ripe root]

Then is that functional enough for you to sacrifice damage

[calm plinth]

if vigi isn’t procced wouldn’t damage be very similar tho?

[ripe root]

incase their damage would be similar after vig isn't procced
you earn advantage about part of skills only
sticky give you burst damage, and decoy give you advantage by information gap
question is, are they powerful enough? are they worthy that we sacrifice stability of gun fire?
btw vig take 4 second to reactivate after taking fire, mean while as a heavy gun fire position, it should stay around mid or back of team, if vig could not activate such a long time...🙃

[limber cedar]

Normal level improve your character.
SHD level gives you the watch perks and resources.
DZ level grants you DZ perks.
Battle pass level gives you rewards.
Shepherd level grants you a patch iirc.

Does conflict level gives you something besides an extra conflict cache?

[mystic fiber]

Does any1 know why in conflict after u take damage and get out of combat ur armor dosent fully come back? Im tryng use an all reds future initiative build for dps support but cant proc talent after taking damage once like i get like 95-90 somewhwre around there armor but not all

[craggy trench]

It's a bug rn

Same for shield not recovering health

[mystic fiber]

Watch lvls, named items randomly from the conflict caches wich also include exclusive dz/conflict items, exotics and sometimes like resources like field recon and stuff sonetimes on left bottom corner you get that after finishing a matcn

[mystic fiber]

I see

I was so annoyed cus i just transfered that build from my pve character 2 pvp character 2 find out it dont work 😭

[craggy trench]

Yea that can be annoying

[hasty peak]

Just a moment ago, a guy sent me a private message in TD2 and right after I replied to him my game crashed, is it possible that he uses some kind of cheats? I've never experienced anything like this before and I've been playing for at least 4 years

this guy is @zinc sorrel

he insulted me in the conflict, I have videos to prove it

[low valve]

I know you get a vanity item every ten levels. There’s an outfit you unlock but you don’t actually get the whole thing til you’re like lv60

[mortal badge]

Whispers are currently bugged, and sending one currently causes your game to crash. But if you send one (and crash your game) it will still go through. So if someone sees the message and responds they will also crash

[hasty peak]

I've been playing for many years and this is the first time I've seen something like this, it's sad, thank you for explaining

[mortal badge]

It's a new bug since the last major update

[mystic fiber]

Wouldnt FI with the cp be like basiclly another vigilance talent but rather than coming back after 4 secs comes after you get full armor again?

[ancient acorn]

It's the exact same damage and that's how it works. So yeah.

[wet badger]

Do you even know how to make it properly? It's literally a top 5 build right now in PvP. There are some variants which can fill slightly different niches but there are some mehh versions around, make sure you don't have one of those.

[craggy trench]

How do you build it?

[wet badger]

3 Umbra & Chest, Ninjabike, Picaro, the last piece is open to the different variants.

I recommend Gila with 4B< for a really tanky setup.

Skills are Drone and something offensive, sticky of any kind will work.

So you can take the skill build approach with Grupo/Walker/China, technician + 6 yellows but I argue dropping tech is better for versatility for another spec.

You can go the tank version, all blue with Gila + firewall.

You can go all red + yellow Picaro which makes spotter look like a shit build, have you not noticed how few spotter players there are these days?

My best version was probably Survivalist, Gila with secondary Lefty, 5 skill tiers, the rest Blue.

It's just so oppressive and has many tools to choose for different engagements. It can survive sniper shots, facetank practically any build, win fights with 0 armour because of the sticky, and keep server pushers away with fire nodes/sledge.

So I don't know what @ripe root is really talking about, this build + it's variants are top tier, hence why it's meta.

@craggy trench

[calm plinth]

updating my build now appreciate it

[calm plinth]

just so u know i don’t think anyone in this channel actually pvps

[ripe root]

i am sorry i don't know how to explain better, i know how is it look like, basiclly, i think it neither fish nor fowl, just like those 3color bean, seems do everything but actually do nothing best

you say, or people say it is top tier build, but the fact is, "it is top build" doesn't a reason that make it become a top build

there also a lot of good build as competitor, for example
why efficiency regen build good? "because" it have good survivability
why cavalier good? "because" it providing hazard and skill reduction to team
why regulus good? "because" it have great damage

the "advantage" when compare with other build, is the reason
not just "it is top tier" so "it is top tier"
which i don't see the advantage are greatful

[tawdry pier]

Maybe a good 50% but definitely not all

Though this channel did kind of become a vent one

[amber ice]

The purpose of this channel is to discuss the PvP modes of div2, anyone can join in on that discussion.

[wet badger]

Can you really blame those who choose to vent? We are a second class minority on a dead game.

[amber ice]

@wet badger Okay enough with the hyperbole. You're welcome to complain but endless whining and over the top comparisons are going to trigger a warning.

[calm plinth]

💀

[tawdry pier]

Honestly i get it

Took a while to fix festive but they did

Couldn't inspect for a while too but it got fixed

Shield peek is no more thankfully but left hand peek still around so that's like 50% work done

You really can't do anything about it though, shit's gonna fix then break more stuff and the loop will keep on going

Used to just keep talking about it but realised it was really just getting stuff off chest and that's about it

[alpine tendon]

Is hunters fury nerfed in pvp

[craggy trench]

No it's just worse than a high end smg build

[alpine tendon]

Ok

[neat musk]

I think it still has a place for landmark farmers

[craggy trench]

Ehhh, buff doesn't last long enough

[neat musk]

well idea is people getting jumped while doing a landmark or extraction

both will have NPC's all the time

but the time inbetween landmarks or extraction is the problem with it yea

[craggy trench]

Only have 30s with buff active

[limber cedar]

But if you combine it with memento trophies, that only you can see and collect, the players will not expect it.

[calm plinth]

HF bleed with the vector was a thing

i’m sure it’s still usable

[craggy trench]

still worse than high end

[calm plinth]

well yeah

[left hollow]

is there any balance in conflict?

[craggy trench]

Not really at all in PvP

[proven spoke]

no there is no balance pvp is filled of skill builds and reg builds

[limber cedar]

There is no balance on any looter shooter/RPG pvp to be honest.

[proven spoke]

very true

[calm plinth]

what do you mean this is a corner shooter not looter shooter

i love only seeing a pixel of the person shooting me

[left hollow]

like 1 shot artilery turret that kills you with 30m radius?

[inland tusk]

Is this channel for Div 1 as well as Div 2?

[craggy trench]

#td2-pvp-discussions

Let's read the name

[inland tusk]

Read the name?

If you mean I should have read the title; I wouldn't have a clue what PVP means, I'm a massive newbie

I googled it after you pointed it out

You can kill people but you can't swear. Damn millenials

There's always one d*ck in the group

[limber cedar]

No, the division 1 and the division 2 got separated channels.

[inland tusk]

Yeah I just figured that out. I probably should have known td2 stands for the division 2 but I didn't Damn abbreviations. I haven't really played games in 15 years so I don't know what the hell I'm doing; everything's changed

[calm plinth]

💀

[craggy trench]

My bad lol, I forget not everyone knows how to use discord well

[inland tusk]

No problem man

[inland tusk]

Cool thanks

[limber cedar]

Finally found a use for the imperial dynasty on DZ, if you enter combat, equip the holster and then switch back, the imperial dynasty talent will still activate as long as you are in combat.

[boreal jewel]

Bro can we have an arm timer on the stinger hive. It’s impossible to dodge it if the guy decides to chuck it around you.

[tawdry pier]

Correct me if i'm wrong. They nerfed the stinger hive radius in the dz. that didn't extend to conflict though right?

[slim turret]

Wat build for dz? Bighorn / eb or capacitor

[tranquil nest]

I think capacitor could work

[boreal jewel]

Not sure and im too lazy to look through the patch notes. Imo the radius isn’t the issue but it’s how instantaneously it shoots out when someone steps into it.

[meager swift]

@slim turret Capacitor, Iron Lug are very viable due to DTA / DTOC , Bighorn is good if you can hit headshots consistently

[alpine tendon]

bighorn for regen

capacitor for ar build

it hits hard

[rugged stirrup]

@slim turret lmki if you need a regen build for bighorn! (Send me a dm)

[livid thorn]

xD

pressed

[craggy trench]

Anyone played in the SHD level brackets yet?

[neat musk]

div 2 smurfing meta

[calm plinth]

what a genius change by the devs

[ancient acorn]

how come? I mean i guess I can think of reasons it would be bad

[calm plinth]

i was being sarcastic it’s pretty pointless

probably does more harm than good

[ancient acorn]

Yeah I got the sarcasm part, but yeah we’ll see if it helps anyone or just depletes the dz population

[limber cedar]

Yeah what's next? Exotics being fully customizable?

[calm plinth]

i don’t think it’ll even help the people it was intended to help

one complaint was people wanting to be able to farm dz without being killed but this doesn’t help any of the vet players and another complaint was shd levels being unfair but expertise is still there so the unfair advantage is still there

[ancient acorn]

Expertise is directly tied to xp, so it can’t rise to a high enough level to be an issue tbh.

It definitely doesn’t help veterans, but I’d still say helping some players instead of none I better.

My only concern is maybe DZ population, but low SHD players were probably not very competitive to begin with anyways

[weary mortar]

Unrealistic to think coming to dz just to farm only. It’s pvpve environment.

[ripe root]

people want dz but no pvp, then it's not dz, it just lz but same map as dz

[wet badger]

I think what else it does is combat cheaters to an extent, the ones who come back on new accounts have to get 1k to affect the main population or join a friend. It's a decent change.

[calm plinth]

i never got far in my console acc but i hit expertise 5 before hitting shd 30 so it can be min maxed

i rlly wasnt even going for it

[calm plinth]

cheaters can just bot their shd levels now a lot of cheats have built in scripts

so that probably wont do much besides delay them by a day

dz will be dead regardless tho so what does it matter

[limber cedar]

Have you guys ever been in a situation on DZ where you got a full blue Regen (not a single red), and a rogue player also has full blue Regen, and then after some seconds later, you both stop trying to kill each other bcs both of you don't have enough damage. And you both just awkwardly stare at each other

[craggy trench]

Happened in a 1v1 lol I ran out of ammo

[neat musk]

This is usually how I find groups in dz lol

We can’t kill each other so just team up lmao

[tawdry pier]

We call it quits grab ammo then do it again

[ripe root]

Fault tolerance are high between 2 regen, because no one all in🙃

[calm plinth]

whoever commits to the fight first loses

great gaem

[boreal jewel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly forum]

I’m struggling to get a match in Conflict/Quick Play on PS. Never get more than 3-4 people in the lobby. Is it just dead or am I doing it wrong? 🙂

[craggy trench]

It can take awhile on ps sometimes

[craggy trench]

Not sure also not the right channel

[slim turret]

why is my dz always fkin dead

can i change it

is it cuz my shd low, i dont get it

sais dz player bracket 40-500

[limber cedar]

I don't think you're gonna find players below 1000 SHD level so often since most of the PvP players are above 1000

[slim turret]

Is there any way to change my bracket

Or do i literally just have to level up

As i came from xbox i cbf to lvl up again

[limber cedar]

If I'm not wrong, you can join a friend above 1000 and the DZ will be in that bracket as long as you are connected to that specific server.

[slim turret]

But no way to do it solo?

[limber cedar]

In theory, no

[slim turret]

Poo

[gray spoke]

Also as low player(me) i prefer run from Renegades and kill NPCs instead of PvP at least for now

[slim turret]

Ive just been doin random matchmake and joining lvl 1000+
Works good and even pvp in dz at that bracket are still shit

[calm plinth]

pc dark zone is dead

if you’re NA, use a vpn to switch to EU servers and you’ll have better luck

[slim turret]

Im uk so im on eu

Its still dead

[wet badger]

You need 1k shade

[quick mountain]

Haven’t played conflict in a long while, and now I regret even touching it again, nothing but cheaters and one shot snipers (not calling snipers cheaters)

[echo canopy]

Yeah I love being killed by the same guy with fire over and over again 😁

True skill 🤣

[fathom inlet]

Div pvp is dead haha

[weary mortar]

Not dead to me

[limber cedar]

Fun fact: if you have 100% pulse resistance, the game doesn't give you the "you've been pulsed" warning.

[ripe root]

Because you haven't been pulsed so the game doesn't give you the "you've been pulsed" warning

[limber cedar]

Yeah but at least if you have like 98 or 99% you still get a warning that players are nearby, and the pulse duration is less than 0.1 second, so there is not even a frame that the other player is gonna see you.

[lavish basin]

If you have 99.9% or whatever then the pulsing player still gets a 'threat detected' message though don't they? So both of you know another player is nearby. At 100% neither of you know.

[tawdry pier]

Pulse range is similar to the nearby range in social menu

So you can still "know" they're in a 100 meter radius of you

[limber cedar]

DZ players that I know usually don't even pay attention to that message or they think it's just a red npc somewhere.

[tawdry pier]

You can pinpoint the location of a pulse resist player/any type of player by going rogue and throwing spec grenade to trigger combat and follow the dotted red lines
The red lines disappear when they use a decoy though

[limber cedar]

Yeah, unless you got a lot of friends and their name goes on the friends list instead of the social range list.

Btw the social range is 140m not 100m

[tawdry pier]

It gets iffy at 100m though as i tried on occasions to inspect manhunts that were approximately 100m away

[limber cedar]

Yeah, that too, also I never understand how they programmed the spec grenades on DZ that you go in combat every time you throw an EMP, cluster or frag grenade.

[limber cedar]

And I think the minimap indicator makes sense when you're rogue, because when you are SHD, you got the red skull pings on the map, the red "skeleton" of the rogue and ISAC even gives you a warning. Rogues don't have any of the three against SHDs.

[wet badger]

im pretty sure u dont even show up even as a blip at around 99.7% and above, but heartbreaker can stack on head (not that anyone does this) so it makes sense to go 99.9%, then when they pulse u u can stay behind cover for around 3s then make a mover once they turn around thinking its safe, been doing it for ages.

[quick mountain]

How do you insta down 1.3m armor and 16% damage reduction drone with a LMG?

[weary mortar]

Impossible is nothing

[wet badger]

1.3M is nothing

[inland tusk]

i even get downed insta sometimes having 2.0M armor + 100% bonus armor xD

[foggy pewter]

dz is dead i cant find anyone anywhere.....

[ancient acorn]

Re session?

[inland tusk]

eu

[amber ice]

@shut sundial You're looking for #td2-clan-recruitment

[shut sundial]

Sorry

[amber ice]

No harm done, it can be confusing.

[echo canopy]

Who here hates murcy rule it doesn't give the other team a chance

[arctic glacier]

A chance to what suffer more

[echo canopy]

Just makes it a bit hard for your team to keep up

Instead of skill u just have to wait until the timer ends

Which at that point the other team put skills on and stays in there spawn until timer ends and they win

[limber cedar]

To break the mercy rule, the losing team needs to kill four players? There were a lot of times I Saw the mercy thing but most of the time the announcers just says "nobody is pulling out" and the mercy time just disappears.

[valid lion]

in honest the mercy rule made sense but now
it's just.
annoying
EVEN when you were about to fight the other enemies

i also hate the fact that when your team spawns in the other team just sits there waiting for you to respawn.

kinda lame

and they just kill instead of making it a fair fight between the two teams instead of just waiting until you respawn just to get killed .

[kind epoch]

This game is unbearable with these weirdos doing the nade glitch crashing servers

Like bro

[valid lion]

Yeah no. Pvp becomes boring now literally all people do is just wait for you to spawn in and just end you like that instead of just being fair.

Its cringe

[neat musk]

Spawn somewhere else

Stop crying about fair and actually do something about it lol

[mortal badge]

Wtf does "being fair" even mean, outside of just not using cheats

[neat musk]

Nothing it’s just another way of complaining about things that are entirely a skill issue

[hollow ice]

PvP is the only reason I still play this game

Soloing people all the time and they always cry cheats

[hollow ice]

Literally no point in smurfing on this game

[tawdry pier]

The grenade thing is a serious damn issue on ps

[neat musk]

Mostly a joke

[scenic patio]

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[wet badger]

On what region?

[scenic patio]

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[wet badger]

I figured it must have been because I'm in EU and sometimes NA, I've only seen this nade thing on console clips

[tawdry pier]

What about where you'd shoot an mmr just like an acs where it's 8 shots

[wet badger]

Funnily enough I ran into a guy just like that yesterday morning, wasn't even marked as a cheater so he obvs just started, every day it's a new guy... Sad state the game is in

[wet badger]

Wait, ur saying that on PS players are shooting MMR like a shotgun? The nade thing is related to network interference, I remember 1 time my team mate shot his famas like a mantis but it was just visual, he did famas damage but on my screen it sounded like a mantis with the tracers of a mantis, maybe that clip u sent me Is just visual otherwise you'd see people die in 1 frame like they do on div 1 with the shotgun/MMR lagswitch shiet they be doing there.

[tawdry pier]

I have a clip of them dying in 1 frame

I'll work on editing it and sending it

[wet badger]

Sure send me, maybe div 1 is repeating itself...

[scenic patio]

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[wet badger]

Yeah I think it's related to the same issue with sticky bombs firing out of your weapon bug that was a thing for a couple of days back then, the game is being fooled into thinking you have something else in your hand then calculates delayed shots as current weapon, crazy crazy stuff.

I wonder if it's just a game bug/exploit or related to some kind of lagswitch, bugs can be fixed, the latter most likely won't be, year 6 div is so much fun ☺️

[ripe root]

Asia server have not many hesitation about use bug/glitch as eu/na, also skill build and anything else

[scenic patio]

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[ripe root]

Many people say someone lagswitch, but how it run and definite
Some data calculate by player computer before it send to server
For example I play melee, when I go eu from as, in my view every melee are normal, but view of other people , they got melee like 10m far, then I got complain about lagswitch, obviously it is physical reason but not mine

[wet badger]

It just seems that with each passing of time a new way to abuse the game comes out and becomes the norm to encounter, unlucky console but this is the worst form of lagswitch I think there can be, those clips u sent me @tawdry pier yeah GG div 2

[eager plaza]

Don't know how anyone is still playing dz on ps. The grenade thing and lag switching has just been crazy. And obviously won't be addressed/fixed

[kind epoch]

I wonder if the devs are even like aware of it

Or going to do something about it

It’s sad asf

I was hoping people would just get bored of it eventually but then I remember people are still doing it on div 1

[eager plaza]

I know so many people have reported it. I just don't think fixing pvp is a high priority for them

[scenic patio]

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[silver brook]

Just a lil question . . . how is possible to survive in DZ when a rogue have Big Horn or Iron Lung ? I spent 15 minutes being killed over and over by the same person without being able to do anything no matter what my build was. . .

[ripe root]

Stronger than him

[silver brook]

Seems I'm not then . . .

[ripe root]

You don't actually need to kill him, you want to survive then you need game sense of dodge player and run

[cold lintel]

Anyone got recommendations for second skill? I'm running DBS Oro build+defender drone since my armour is bad but not sure what other skill to run, I'm struggling with managing to fight multiple people at once if any helps with that

[neat musk]

something offensive, I like fire sticky, some like EMP sticky

[low valve]

Have any of you ever entered the DZ only to come to the realization there’s a clan attempting a DZ takeover?

[inland tusk]

Lol i dont think i ever see something else in dz xD

[neat musk]

4 stacks are super common. 8 stacks very rarely happen

but they do

[wet badger]

Considering if it's done properly it takes the physical server offline I'd be willing to bet there's no way they DONT know it's happening, all it would take is around 20 people worldwide across all 3 platforms and this game will be brought to its knees, 0 players online kinda thing, it's not just a 'pvp' bug, it's a serious game wide issue.

[ripe root]

I had meet 10 people with same clan, they trolling with each other and my clan mate attack them suddenly then we got camp by 10 people, pretty fun and exciting

[kind epoch]

I mean tbh I don’t think they can even fix it.

There’s like 2-3 methods.

There’s a normal glitch/exploit version and then there’s the version where it crashes an entire server momentarily.

And realistically the only one that can be fixed is the normal version. The version that crashes a server can’t be fixed because that’s just connection based

[wet badger]

Yeah I was aware of a previous version it had to be combined with a bugged rigger but that was fixed years ago. I think what they'll do is quick patch the nade affecting the snowball projectiles and call it a day, leaving in the 'other' ways it can also be triggered. Those are my predictions.

[amber ice]

Just a reminder to not discuss methods for glitches in detail.

[kind epoch]

Do you guys have methods of giving the devs info?

Like direct contact

[amber ice]

We are volunteers, we don't have any more contact with the devs than y'all do.

put in a ticket, ping them on twitter maybe, check the ubi-support discord, that's about it

[kind epoch]

Ok so then we should be allowed to keep talking about it in depth or not so they see the issue it’s causing……

[wet badger]

We cant talk in depth in this chat

[kind epoch]

Do you have a link to the ubi support discord by chance?

Or where I could find that link 🤔

[wet badger]

Hence why I was dancing around specifics

[amber ice]

The community discord likely has a different restriction on this topic, hint hint.

I've PM'd the support discord to yeyce, if any one else needs it, it can be found via "discover" on the discord app.

[kind epoch]

Appreciate it

[wet badger]

Sure why not, include me.

[amber ice]

Just search "ubisoft" and it's the first link.

[wet badger]

Ah ok

[craggy trench]

For all you ghosts in the DZ somehow yaahl is in the clan vendor again, buy it up

[pulsar vapor]

I sometimes wish they'll add a 8v8

[limber cedar]

bro, I heard about that glitch, How the hell the devs programmed those snowballs so they could act as "deployers"?

[amber ice]

@scenic patio Enough of that.

[ripe root]

i don't know programming, i only have some concept about game design, i guess:
currently if you throw grenade ( or skill), object [grenade] touch with object [ wall/ground/something else], object [grenade] delete, conduct action [ grenade ]
probably when object [snowball] touch something then object deleted, then trigger the "action" , depends anything player are holding
i think snowball bug are similar with sticky ammo

[echo canopy]

Is it true an old glitch is back? Something to do with the slayer and shock trap?

I hope I don't run into it I on old gen so my game would probably crash 😭

[neat musk]

normally id say fact check sources. but when it comes to division and glitches, just always assume anything you hear is true

cuz 99% of the time it is

[limber cedar]

Not quite, we had a trap glitch back in the day, and a grenade glitch last Christmas, now we have a new glitch worse than both

[eager plaza]

Doesn't even matter old or new gen it lags out ps5

[icy dove]

So now people are lagswitching in the DZ lol

[tawdry pier]

Now?
Always has been

[sudden lagoon]

People just be cheating all the time. Like Alex20168847. Lvl 72 in conflict, doesn't lose a game and always goes over 10 kills.

[icy dove]

Div2, I should’ve said Div2 lol

[tawdry pier]

Yes in div2 lol

[neat musk]

Lag switching is basically in every single game. there a few that are too client sided for it to matter but 99% of games have people who do it

[jovial copper]

Who can forget the revolution

[amber ice]

Revolution?

[stiff storm]

Someone was getting cooked in a 4v4 and one of em did the trap/grenade glitch. He didn't proc it with the Sleigher, he did it with the Ouroboros. My PS5 started squealing and the server was getting fried. Fun times.

[kind epoch]

All they gotta do to fix the people lagging the servers out/crashing the servers is remove the shock trap

That’s literally it

[fervent hawk]

All they gotta do is remove pvp from the dz entirely and let the sweats play conflict.

[kind epoch]

Bro wut

Oh ur pc nvm

Makes sense lol a PVE player

[ripe root]

Remove pvp from dz then what is the meaning of dz

[ripe root]

The signature of dz is pvpve, if remove pvp then is that any different with lz? Then why don't you just asking for a new lz map like downtown newyork

[neat musk]

removing PVP quite literally is just expanding LZ

the 2 can coexist

lol

[tawdry pier]

It's funny how you can actually still do it even if pvp isn't involved

[inland tusk]

No

[echo canopy]

I love being forced to fight in Asia servers where half my bullets don't register

[severe ether]

Saw an agent yesterday who asked me to leave server as he was going to kill all on the server
i saw him about 60 meters away and in less than a second he was stood in front of me lol
lag switch and all hacks were going off as I came back and he was killing all in the notification screen

Another agent had 375000 shd equipped with purple gear

[wet badger]

The whole PvP community knows about it, the people doing it are crashing servers for EVERYONE and yet there is no word from the devs at all about this platform wide/region wide issue... i reckon they have no idea how to fix it as of yet.

This is why they need to implement server side disabling of certain items in the game, so many issues can be avoided by having the option to TURN OFF SAID ITEM.

For anyone making TD3, they need to be looking at this.

[stuck jacinth]

Are they even aware of this?

[sudden lagoon]

They don't even ban the most blatant of cheaters in this game, they probably won't fix that for at least 2 years

[mystic fiber]

Is there no way 2 counter the bs shock grenade damage glitch? I tried a shock/explosice resistance bunk build but i still insta die....

[tawdry pier]

"Counter a glitch" lmao

[boreal jewel]

Only way is to use it faster against your enemies

[limber cedar]

Or destroy their decoy with EMP before they even have the chance to use the sleight

[mystic fiber]

I mean it made sense 2me if the glitch only cause explosion damage that id be caunterable via explosion resistance 🤷‍♂️

But then again theres no sense fighiting legit against cheaters

[torpid ruin]

Do you guys like the fact that 1 out 2 dz player is abusing the snowball glitch and it running the experience for everybody because youtuber are all showing it how to do it

[eager plaza]

It's pvp devs don't care

[amber ice]

I'd like to see some numbers on that "1 out 2" claim.

[lone swan]

Grenade damage isn't counted as explosive so no that won't help you

Grenade damage has its own damage category and absolutely no counter miss final measure

[lone swan]

Numbers don't matter at all. It only takes 1 person in server to do exploit and game crash. Many players doing this after dying or just to troll players, basically unplayable for the time being until patch can fix the issue.

[amber ice]

If you didn't know the answer, there's really no need for a ping.

[eager plaza]

Does it matter if it's 1 out of 2 or 1 out of 100 it's still happening and ruining the game. Shouldn't even be happening how is it not being addressed

[lone swan]

That was an answer to the question you asked? Also is replying/ping to a question breaking a rule 🤔?

[amber ice]

It's a broad statement with no actual facts to back it up, which is about on par with this channel in general so I don't know why I'm surprised.

"games dead, everyone's cheating" does nothing but make people feel angry. It's not useful, and no one here can fix it anyway.
You know the methods to contact MSV about the issue, bringing it to the forefront. They clearly know and I bet my Stash that they're already working on a potential fix.

[little forge]

Oooh kill em

Ohhh kill em

[lone swan]

I'm so lost on how I said numbers don't matter it takes 1 person to troll and crash game. And we need to wait for patch on fix.

[amber ice]

I fully understand being frustrated with the situation, but nothing can be done via here.
During the last livestream, they said that Twitter and tickets are the best ways to get in contact with them. This server is not really high priority to read.

[lone swan]

Yes why I do the ping/reply thing

[lone swan]

I understand players taking it to far with feelings. But most just frustrated with the game they want to grow or simple work great so they can have fun. Those speaking thier minds on issues or problems is fine unless it's hateful or directed at personal. Imo you saying this isn't a high priority channel to talk in makes them even more frustrated or disappointed not taking seriously especially those talking respectfully.

[amber ice]

As I said, I understand, but nothing you say or do here will factor in to MSV fixing something faster, so by all means lament over the problem, but if you want change, you know how to help it happen faster.

[meager swift]

If you want to contact the team , Twitter / X is the best way of doing it , I honestly can't remember a time when any of the Dev Team actually engaged with the community on here

[craggy trench]

Most of the devs have 1-2 messages on this discord and they are 2+ years old

[calm plinth]

why must dz be so dead with one of the best metas it’s had in the past 2 yrs

finding servers is near impossible

[mortal badge]

With the "grenade glitch crashing the servers" meta? I wonder why

[calm plinth]

haven’t encountered it yet

in na or eu

[neat musk]

its everywhere

everyone complains about it

[calm plinth]

apparently not

[mystic fiber]

Thats crazy never knew that just assume it as explosion🤷‍♂️

[eager plaza]

At least it's finally on trello

[wet badger]

The reason you may have escaped it is because you're on PC so the type of player that would do this are already cheating with a monthly subscription, why do some weird glitch when u can just RPM a guy through a wall? Or toggle an aim key...

On console where there are no such services the same kinds of players are more likely to use such a glitch because it gives them a similar kind of power, and its not exactly a difficult glitch to activate, a monkey can see and a monkey can do.

[calm plinth]

i played it last night it’s def broken

[maiden halo]

What’s the best build for PvP

[craggy trench]

Check the pinned builds in the guide

Best is probably gonna be striker or umbra atm

[boreal jewel]

Striker?

[wet badger]

Striker is not for the person asking that question.

Umbra is.

[icy dove]

Depends on your play style. There’s various viable pvp builds.

[wet badger]

Exactly, there is no best build overall.

[proper silo]

It's all about movement

If you can strafe you build don't matter

Just hit your shots and strafe it's ez

[neat musk]

Okay no

That is just wrong

[tawdry pier]

At least on console movement won't mean shit against popshot/pistol cause of aim assist

[echo canopy]

That Grenada thing is annoying people use it to just get and easy manhunt but don't matter because they still die after 😭

[slender widget]

Why do all I find in conflict is mortar and stinger hive builds

And fire stickies

[ripe root]

Because they are only 2 skill build that with useful damage
People watch number only so they don't like wearing hazard, cavalier, expo resistant etc., they don't want to sacrifice damage for team
No People willing to punish skill build, of course more people turn to skill Because in these situations, they good

[calm plinth]

haven’t played d2 console pvp but this seems wrong

the console players that come to pc think movement matters and get killed strafing (cause ig movement is more relevant there)

[tawdry pier]

Meh against shotgun/ar/smg and cqb in general yes

But the more range you have on someone the less their movements will matter

Because you just need to aim the moment the center of your screen locks on their body/head and you can pop a shot with a sniper or pistol usually 1/2 tapping them

[wet badger]

the thing is some of the better console players have really good movement and it works wonders against other controller players, but on pc these movements whilst still good and better than most just doesnt work to the same effect, you cant break a 45 year old mans camera because his default DPI is so high even if he has arthritis he's still gonna be able to land bodyshots in a meta where body shots are as strong as they are and kill you.

on console the way they move is flashy and impressive, against other top players the only way u will die is secondary shotgun - because no need to track.

[calm plinth]

don’t get me wrong strafing is still definitely relevant i was more just poking at the ones that were trying to do crit 1v1s and dying instantly lol (and certain people trying to do ‘comp’)

i have some funny clips of that

[wet badger]

there is a group currently trying to do 'comp' on PC but they keep running from any decent team, I wasnt aware that there were people trying to do crit 1v1s on PC lol...

[calm plinth]

are you gonna upload them?

[wet badger]

whats the point, i only got like 2 or 3 clips, they DO NOT FIGHT (i will but i was saving them for a compilation but it seems im never gonna get that)

[calm plinth]

they’re not too different to a lot of teams when good players start to join the server

don’t think anyone likes to fight good squads

[stiff storm]

One thing that saddens me is how little we get of your DZ videos against salty hackers . Marcostyle for DIV1 and you for DIV2. Fun times.

[static sand]

I must be awful because I don't get DZ sometimes. I rarely go in, maybe for dailies or the south run that I have memorized for exotic components. But I absolutely get melted any time I go in there if I come across someone. Dude was 5k, juiced Ouro striker but I didn't have a chance

Am I bad or is there just a meta you have to run in DZ?

[wet badger]

There are lots of viable builds, but its also very easy to get it wrong, the likelyhood is your build isnt good.

[amber ice]

As we like to say on here, div2 is 50% the build, and 50% knowing how to use the build.

[static sand]

I've got a standard striker with coyote and ceska but this one I have four blue to give a bit more survivability. I have a full red I can use, a catharsis blue, etc.

[wet badger]

Dont use the full red one in PvP

ceska chest? obliterate? try unbreakable

[static sand]

Yeah obliterate, totally forgot that unbreakable is the one to go with in DZ

[wet badger]

build stacks before running in to face trade, so try to engage an enemy at 15-20m, build stacks, or cheese an NPC/Decoy for them, then pop a firewall medkit and engage, use a sticky bomb so stagger the enemy and profit

[static sand]

Thing is, I don't even wanna engage. I just wanna go in, do my daily and dip lol

[wet badger]

Obliterate is also a very strong talent but its for a higher skilled player who is comfortable without unbreakable

[wet badger]

Then use St.Elmo, get shock rounds and save them, when a rogue pops up shock him, kill and continue, he wont be happy but it works

[static sand]

Yeah I'm using Elmo on this too anyway

I guess this last engagement it was 3v1 so I literally don't have a chance

People are just so sweaty it seems for nothing

[wet badger]

to do a 1v3 u are gonna need some experience, for them to push too confidently and for u to play ur cards right

but yes a lot of people still like to feel strong in higher numbers

[static sand]

Yeah it's crazy. Truthfully not upset by it, I'd like to be better but sometimes it just doesn't make sense

On the build doc there's a lot of PVP that uses perfect adrenaline rush. Is that just overall really good for PVP?

[boreal jewel]

For the dz yeah not really for conflict imo

[static sand]

I've never even played conflict so not worried about that

[calm plinth]

i think one of the most important things to learn is corner peeking

in SFs that pretty much defines how the game is played

[static sand]

The cheesy movement where they're just zig zagging, what is that shit and how do you counter it?

[calm plinth]

don’t shoot them while they do it

wait till they stop

shoot a shot or two to bait them to stop

[static sand]

FIgured as much. Just like any game people will use any means necessary lol

[calm plinth]

well what else are you gonna do if you gotta reload or close distance

or heal

just stand there?

[static sand]

You can do that while reloading?

[calm plinth]

well yeah you’re just running go to yt and search cut strafe tutorial

it’s not hard

[wet badger]

This is referred to as strafing, there are multiple types of zig-zagging, it's just a movement technique that people use to dodge bullets, like Mae said, you can't just stand still and make it easy for your opponent, you have to make them work for it.

You don't have to be that good at it if u choose high damage builds and sit back but it will always help when you are forced into a close range fight, often times a player will take some damage then use a med and push u with that med, it's best to not waste time shooting him but to kite back to a position and re-engage right as his medkit runs out, you will see a symbol above their head indicating the active medkit.

[amber ice]

"walking left and right". The strategies on display in the DZ confuse and astound my brain.

[calm plinth]

i think too much info is bad for beginners

i would recommend people get comfortable with corner peeking before learning anything else

[wet badger]

Im a little wary to recommend such a mechanic to a newcomer, you dont want to show them a borderline exploitative mechanic as a way of going about things, yes, in time they must learn how to do it and avoid it but still if someone learns that early on they may rely on it and a prolific corner peeker is bad for PvP, on both sides.

Heartland had this fixed but that game will never come out... Lets hope TD3 doesnt allow corner peeking to remain in the game, or at least restrict it in PvP modes

[calm plinth]

i’d say generally speaking corner peeking and good positioning are mutually inclusive, to have enough space and cover from your opponent to get that angle is on paper good positioning, and in my opinion you can’t make as informed decisions on where to play without understanding it

not sure how you’d get rid of it though, as corner peeking is a side effect of how third person games are fundamentally made (camera + crosshair + actual gun location are all different) was a thing in division 1 as well but less relevant for a lot of factors

[wet badger]

I totally agree with you but think of it this way.

Do you really want to teach a new player the extent to which this mechanic can be abused? Once a player finds strength in something they will tend to do resort to doing that very thing all of the time and may not learn actual tactics and game knowledge.

The corner glitch was terrible for PvP, a well angled corner peek (pixel peek) whatever u wanna call it is as bad a a corner glitch, but u cant blame people for cornering well, its a basic shooting games 101: conceal your body as much as possible, its just in this shit game u can conceal your ENTIRE BODY (because pve game) and that is just stupid.

So yes, teach players about 3rd person peeking but dont let it become their de facto way of playing the game, teach them other things first.

[wet badger]

I have come up with multiple solutions, for example:

• You could blur the screen around the crosshair, this is already a thing: its called Depth of Field, but on PC u can just toggle it off, also it only currently blurs the background, so your crosshair needs to be on the wall and the area behind the wall is blurred, when peeking an enemy your crosshair is just beside the cover/wall which reveals the distant area/enemy clearly.
  Under my system if the game detects impossible angle it will blur the centre of the screen so u cant see well enough to bother shooting.

• You could also just enhance the current system. Increase the range of the small red dot to further than 4m behind a wall/cover, At present u only need to back up a little and u can corner peek anything, make it to where u must go a lot further back to peek the corner, do what Heartland was doing and add a red cross in the crosshair indicating that u cant shoot to the target.

[calm plinth]

well there are actual ways to fix this, the reason it’s so bad on div 2 is because the way they offset the camera and gun and crosshair are very bad r6 had a similar issue and fixed it by moving the camera from the arm to the shoulder when you’re leaning. (this went from only exposing your arm when holding an angle to also exposing your head)

we can hate corner peeking all we want but it’s unfortunately a fundamental part of the game that’s been made much worse by 2 main things imo:

1. lack of options to get people off off angles
2. low ttk making it too hard to close distance
   for example pixel peeks are very strong in r6, but the way you’re able to combat it is by using your utility.all we have on div is sticky which is not reliable enough to do this. Also the low TTK makes it near impossible to even approach them in the first place (i’ve heard in the past when TTK was higher corner peeking wasn’t an issue)

i think it’s also important to say i think corner peeking would still be very strong even if your body was more exposed because using cover and angles is a fundamental part of shooters it’s just way too broken rn

sorry here’s a good video talking about it https://youtu.be/aLgOsEQgtmM?si=rSNTKQqH_V9Ec-qu

[boreal jewel]

Big horn is the best

[echo canopy]

What y'all think about the changes

Oro got nerfed Elmo's got nerfed and Scorpio got nerf but only in pvp scorpion was kinda random 😭

[calm plinth]

when?

[amber ice]

Nothing is live yet, going live after the 2nd PTS phase is over, probably next Season.

Scorp has been on the chopping block since it first dropped all the way back when.

[calm plinth]

i used to use it sometimes as a healer in pvp wasn’t very reliable though lol

[amber ice]

You used to be able to sit in cover and spam shots and kill basically most stuff. Especially in PvE.
the change seems prety fair.

[echo canopy]

The iron lung damage nerf was needed but the fire will still be a pain

[calm plinth]

rip hf scorp

[amber ice]

remember that a lot of weapon mods were changed too

[calm plinth]

where can we find the changes?

[amber ice]

#news-and-announcements message

[echo canopy]

Elmo's got screwed hard 😭 almost all the attachment were nerfed half

[amber ice]

10 less rounds isn't really "half".

Make sure you read through the entire thing, there's a lot going on.

[echo canopy]

Not just the rounds

They halfed the crit damage and crit chance two

[calm plinth]

what a mixed bag of changes

[echo canopy]

Some good some bad we will see what gets through the pts

[calm plinth]

the new gear set sounds very fun

[neat musk]

that FAL actually looks decent

the mods are horrible for gods know what reason but the talent seems fairly decent if you pair with nego

[tawdry pier]

Yeah lots of pvp setups will change

[calm plinth]

idk they might not

[tawdry pier]

The nerf to picaro and ceska will hit heavy for sure pretty much 80% of crit builds

[calm plinth]

they buffed umbra, still playing favoritism to spotter, didn’t even touch iron lung basically

[tawdry pier]

Ouro's gonna be just 40 mag

[neat musk]

same with oblit

took an 8% wd hit

[tawdry pier]

Honestly they haven't touched regulus except with habs possibly

[calm plinth]

rav could be extremely broken

it was already very good

[tawdry pier]

I'm happy m4 and lvoa are actually auto now

[neat musk]

wiat they are?

that in part 3?

[calm plinth]

i think 1

[tawdry pier]

I think 1

[neat musk]

I cant read ig

[calm plinth]

rav being full auto sounds like a disaster

[tawdry pier]

At least helps with the carpal tunnel you'll get from using it

[calm plinth]

also wil they be considered ARs or MMRs and rifles still?

[tawdry pier]

I assume the things that are 5.56 or 7.62 will be ar

Not sure about the mmrs though

[neat musk]

big horn is crazy

even more HSD now lmao

[tawdry pier]

Headshot users finally eating good?

[calm plinth]

nah

[neat musk]

Probably still not but atleast the headshot builds become slightly more usuable

even more EB buff too

[tawdry pier]

Catharsis being buffed is so unnecessary

Now it's 1.5% more damage for every stack lol

[calm plinth]

chatterbox meta tu22

[neat musk]

nah it was shit to begin with

still shit

[calm plinth]

on console it’s meta for pvp

[tawdry pier]

At least striker got a nerf. It's been asking for one for a while

[calm plinth]

the measured buff seems way overboard btw not sure why you’d choose optimist now

[neat musk]

.15% isnt enough

[craggy trench]

PvP will heavily favor headshot potentially

Catharsis buff, regen not touched, and bighorn buffed

[neat musk]

what was the ceska change?

[tawdry pier]

6.5% chc

Goes for provi too

[craggy trench]

All the attachments for bighorn got buffed too

[calm plinth]

nah

[craggy trench]

Crit got a huge nerf

[neat musk]

Yea I cant see people using crit AR in conflict but DZ probably wont change a whole ton

[craggy trench]

Elmo did get a dmg buff btw

[neat musk]

yea but they cut their attachments in half

[craggy trench]

Only reduced the crit chance and dmg by 5 and 10 less ammo

[tawdry pier]

Eb's mods are actually now inline with elmo

[neat musk]

wasnt the amo 20

EB meta

[craggy trench]

M870 and brazen got a buff so gl fighting against that

[calm plinth]

yeah brazen buff was so unnecessary

i already one tap people with that

[craggy trench]

IMO picaros is kinda dead now

[boreal jewel]

Spas and ksg got buffed

[tawdry pier]

Wonder if the buff for claws out now allows me to change to it instead of picaro on regulus

[craggy trench]

It's 11% ?

[tawdry pier]

1% diff

[tawdry pier]

Yeah but you also can put a red on it

[calm plinth]

we won’t know until PTS drops although i have my eye on the chatterbox and rav

[craggy trench]

Nego might make a comaback in PvP

[calm plinth]

buffing umbra when it was already meta is crazy tho

[amber ice]

Reminder: there's going to be two phases of the PTS.

[craggy trench]

Didn't apply to PvP

Umbra sucks in pve

[tawdry pier]

I'm glad hardwired didn't make it to pvp

[craggy trench]

Lady death might overtake Ouro again

It was already technically stronger before

Ahh nvm, forgot base banshee got a huge nerf

[boreal jewel]

Umbra buff is only for pve

[tawdry pier]

The whole stacking thing tho against multi is painful

[neat musk]

I dont think so

even now nego is awful. 12% more trans dmg isnt enough imo

[craggy trench]

I see headshot and shotgun being strong

[calm plinth]

shotgun was already one of the best builds

[tawdry pier]

Wonder catch someone headshotting with shotgun unless double barrel

[craggy trench]

I meant separate lol

[craggy trench]

I agree, didn't need a buff

The catharsis buff to me is mind blowing

[tawdry pier]

Also underrated nerf was the optimal range on a number of weapons

[craggy trench]

50% buff

[tawdry pier]

Incentivising cqb

[craggy trench]

Yea great lol

I honestly think that the range nerf was soley focused on speedrunners

[tawdry pier]

Also does magnum being buffed mean regulus will too? That also goes for d50 getting nerfed and liberty as well

[craggy trench]

It should, sometimes they make changes separate though

What did they do to magnum?

[tawdry pier]

Yeah that was for lady death i remember

[tawdry pier]

Buffed damage but less range and reload speed iirc

Regulus getting buffed over what it is now is ludicrous

[craggy trench]

Were there other brand changes?

[tawdry pier]

Habs and provi now are 13% hsd

[craggy trench]

The brand changes aren't in patch notes right?

[tawdry pier]

They are

Not sure which part

[calm plinth]

wait the hsd attachment buffs are kinda crazy

hsd might be back

[boreal jewel]

Yeah

[tawdry pier]

They ain't believe in us

[tawdry pier]

Also sledge is kinda bad now as a support debuffer
The movement speed might be the only thing going for it now

[ancient acorn]

Mosquito is new Sledgehammer tho. Might be worth it?

[calm plinth]

sledge nerf was good

[sudden lagoon]

It's hilarious honestly

[tawdry pier]

@stiff storm that's how you feel? Lmao

[wet badger]

That's the entire problem with this game, PvP needs to be balanced differently from PvE, a set that dominates in PvP useless in PvE... Shocker.

Look at armour on kill, that's balanced around PvE, in PvP to get a meaningful amount requires you sacrifice EVERYTHING, only memento provides enough value in way or armour gain and even that is a sacrifice off the bat because you have to sacrifice talents like adrush or vigilance

[craggy trench]

most of the brands and attributes/ gearsets are completely useles in pvp its kinda sad

tots

[wet badger]

With crit finally taking a nerf you might actually start seeing other builds come to fruition, it's just not that big a nerf overall, maybe little will actually change, I just know that my Bighorn hitting for 2.6M is a joke.

The Bighorn is literally the best sniper, the best rifle and the best assault rifle, best shotgun and best smg

[craggy trench]

i saw some testing with full red HB and bighorn, its pretty nuts

[wet badger]

I hit 2.6M with full blue. Imagine 5 red... Probably like 4M

[sturdy yacht]

Me and my squad are brazos ninjabike users, we love obliterate and most my friends fuming about picaros but personally I need this to be fixed my squad is planning on leaving TheDivision2

Instead of straight nerfing obliterate (understand the PvP aspect but do this instead..)

Obliterate
PvP~17%
PvE~25%

There isn’t enough good chest talents for dps pls don’t hurt the PvE players, Solo Players, open world players n more.. just make 17% a PvP nerf. And leave 25% for PvE only, otherwise we can understandably and regretfully move thru the changes to the start of seasons 2.0…

[wet badger]

You are in the wrong channel

[inland tusk]

He has posted it in damn near every single channel

[wet badger]

'but personally i need this to be fixed' hahahah the audacity.

a game that revolves around builds is about experimentation, trying new things, and finding something that u enjoy, sometimes u are forced to depart from your favourite thing, but guess what, you'll find something else, otherwise why play this game?...

[limber cedar]

Individualism at its finest

[calm plinth]

@wet badger what are your initial impressions? still an umbra meta or is HB BH taking over?

personally i love the umbra meta but i would love a BH meta even more lol

oh, bighorn one shotting would be a horrible meta that’s just a better reg wtf

[tardy thistle]

HB is full on hard countered by pulse resist. Striker's builds without the BP will see no change so something like Intimidate Striker's will still be strong while the new holster means Umbra Iron Lung will now be able so set you on fire even quicker.

[craggy trench]

Running pulse resistance gives up a ton of dmg, and good players who use HB won't be using it solo

[tardy thistle]

So where is HB in the current game even though it is already a good set?

[craggy trench]

Man whatever lol

It's strong

[tardy thistle]

In a 4v8 you'll see the some of the 8 running HB as the 4 stack can't afford to lose DPS with pulse resist. Builds like HS Striker's running Bighorn and Matador are already shredding in the hands of good players and have no build that can just straight up hard counter it. We'll see I guess as the 30% increase in damage for HB will tempt players to go for it.

[calm plinth]

HB is the strongest build in an isolated 1v1

good players can pull it off currently already

[calm plinth]

wait what HSD striker with matador ? 💀

[tranquil nest]

Sounds cursed

[tardy thistle]

You get one kill and players will swap to pulse resist. Or they inspect your build before you even fight and they are running pulse resist. Strongest build in the game is Reg.

[wet badger]

Reg is not the strongest build, most boring yes but have u not seen the reload speed on it now?

Liberty is also nerfed, but for some wacky reason the Nemesis is untouched... It's like the only meta weapon untouched....

[tardy thistle]

In the current state not PTS, Reg DPS is pretty much the same as Bighorn without talent but you only have 160 fire-rate, it's base damage is busted.

[stiff storm]

You good?

[novel osprey]

@wet badger how is it vs 870 shotty bots. But more damage w brazen buff. But 33% less range

[wet badger]

how is what?

[novel osprey]

870 shotty. Are they still bullshit op for the shotgun bots or did the range nerf actually do something

[desert mason]

I am Japanese and I run a clan within a Japanese community. We hold events like raids, descents, and PvP every week, and we have a lot of fun playing together with our clan members. We also play DZ and Conflict in full 8-player parties, playing 4 vs 4 matches. However, with the wide variety of builds, the storage, inventory space, and loadouts are nowhere near enough! I would gladly pay for an expansion of equipment slots, even if it requires a paid option! I'd be happy to pay the price of a full-priced game, so please consider this request!

[novel osprey]

Thank you. That added to our conversation greatly

[tardy thistle]

If you are SixxAK in D2, you play with cheaters. Stay out of PvP.

[amber ice]

@novel osprey It's not a private conversation, if you want to have one of those take it to PM's.

[wet badger]

The M870 will still be good but it looks like the KSG is the new boy in town

[desert mason]

Our clan enjoys playing Division 2, but we are fed up with people using cheats and glitches. Therefore, we only play in the Dark Zone and Conflict with clan members.
By forming 4 vs 4 parties and matching at the same time, we can play among ourselves. Conflict is a fun content that allows us to utilize the game's build variety.
However, it's a shame to have to make choices due to the lack of storage, inventory space, and loadouts.
New build configurations can emerge endlessly !
I sincerely hope you will consider expanding the inventory space.

[amber ice]

@desert mason No one here can help with this, if you wish to make a suggestion for the game please either mention it on twitter or send in a ticket.

[neat musk]

Im curious to ask for the token grabber link and run it in a clean vm

@amber ice kill his family

or @spice ravine

[royal steeple]

Pls fix the nade glitch the pvp is unplayable!!!

[wet badger]

It's coming in another patch or two

[steel ore]

Is it cheats or lag when I got hit right before I try to pick.

[median charm]

Yes most time is one shoot

[crimson zephyr]

can be anything, but if your not seeing anyone and get shot at its most likly someone can shoot through walls

[calm plinth]

pick?

[median charm]

Ez if u scan after that u know his position to shoot in his range

If u shoot over him he will die but if he move it will help him to survive

[steel ore]

I was behind a wall. I made a strafe but didn't go out.

[wet badger]

Technically it cant be lag if u get shot BEFORE leaving cover, but make sure that the cover u think is cover is 100% cover, u can be fighting around a vehicle for example where there is a gap.

Also make sure that you didnt accidently peek a tiny little bit before re-peeking, during this window u may have received a shot before u go to peek the 2nd time making it seem as if u got shot behind the cover "before peeking".

Finally, use shadowplay to record instances of this, you can then share those clips for experienced players to take a look at and we can tell u what happened.

[wet badger]

Not quite, for example: if u are having a nemesis fight and are dumb enough to peek a player that isnt peeking yet you lose your advantage, what you have done is make yourself visible to him first at which point if he goes to peek u he will have u right in his crosshair, he can take the 1 single killing shot even if on your screen you have already dipped back behind the wall. Result: you die behind cover never seeing the enemy.

You are ALWAYS punished for peeking first in 1 shot kill encounters. However if u are quick u can do a quick peek to bait the other guy into peeking which brings the advantage back to you, this can be risky against a clinical sniper who will time his peek right after you netting him the kill so beware.

[crimson zephyr]

TLDR waste of time typing that

[wet badger]

stay ignorant then with your gen a tick tok brain, others will read it

[calm plinth]

div is just a third person r6 ong

[stiff storm]

Some people man

[steel ore]

Thx for answers. I have my suspicions the game is tries to predict what a player will do. Kind of lag compensation. But, looks difficult after I wrote that... 😄

[halcyon crescent]

howdy

[grand moon]

I made a few item builds for pvp but it's still not enough. It makes me feel inadequate, while the people in front of me easily melt my life bar, I have difficulty. Is this build enough? Are there any pvp builds you recommend?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553520755103760385/1290448087051145276/image.png?ex=66fc7eef&is=66fb2d6f&hm=994c4b9e60e0b5a3d73b2517bd45b280fd63a96e9c0e97ee3717e5d7ca4eb21d&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553520755103760385/1290448088170762361/image.png?ex=66fc7eef&is=66fb2d6f&hm=b331364afb64467a29230b3fa4bf0c3ada81d03d6df301425b01f61f10e045fb&

[grand scarab]

yo beta, can you in dms inv me to some division discords, like xbox pvp, i left quite a lot and wanna see if anything changed

[wet badger]

Ninjabike striker builds really aren't that good, also why use fox's prayer with ninjabike? Do you really want 30% accuracy that bad?

Also, get more expertise on your main weapon, 10 is a little low. Get to 18 at least.

[grand moon]

Actually, I've seen this build from someone on YouTube. Is there a build you can recommend? It doesn't have to be just dps, it can be skill or armor regen

[wet badger]

How did you link the image to the chat? I can sign in and take a few screenshots

[grand moon]

I posted a photo on a different channel and then copied and pasted the link here and it worked

If you don't mind, you can send it via dm.

[wet badger]

Which channel? I know the PTS channels were accepting images but don't wanna spam in the wrong place, I wish u could just post images of builds etc...

[wet badger]

I could but I'm also hoping to help others who browse here.

[grand moon]

Please try throwing it to any channel, even your own discord server

oh sorry #ask-td2-community channel and got the photo link from here

[wet badger]

Ok I'll get back to you when I log in

[grand moon]

aight thx soo much

[mortal badge]

You can post images in the build advice channel

[craggy trench]

Just so you know as well, there is a brief basic pvp guide and if you have any thoughts on it feel free to message me. I'd love to pick your brain

[lone swan]

Nothing is active for this game PvP wise. Only discords activity for this game PvP wise is drama or people trying to talk smack @grand scarab

[amber ice]

It helps if you actually go to the LFG sections, this channel is called "discussions".
Try #lfg-xbox, or even just the server browser that xbox has built in.

[dense jewel]

PVP the división suco

Suks apesta es una porquería

One shoot and you dead

[amber ice]

@dense jewel This server is english only.

[golden ermine]

🖤🖤🖤🖤

[dire wedge]

Does anyone know about the DZ’s worst 100 page?

Send the link

[grand scarab]

bro the people on xbox lfg are pve

[grand scarab]

this is so real though, i swear when i stopped playing it dropped to its all time low

now apparently all the bots moved to the AAT clan or sum like that

when i left MRA was like top discussion

like MRA everyone knew very quickly

[lone swan]

Expertise put it 6 feet into the ground that's when it ended.

[grand scarab]

thats so real bro

[wet badger]

I have to say that this comment here really shows the total disconnect you have from the community present in this particular channel.

[amber ice]

I know right? I'm just so corporate with my volunteer position and trying to help people find groups with less effort on their part.

[golden ermine]

Hey rivens, do you pvp?

[amber ice]

Sorry, too busy golfing with the CEO.

[golden ermine]

Oof

[calm plinth]

pvp was dead before expertise

that was just salt on the wound

[calm plinth]

the builds in your guide are pretty mid honestly doesn’t really reflect the actual meta

[craggy trench]

Good thing I didn't @ you, as we've already discussed this a few times

[calm plinth]

bro got so defensive wth 💀

you need to add shotgun builds, regen hsd, reg, nem, skill builds, umbra

[craggy trench]

"Basic"

[calm plinth]

the builds you put aren’t used on pc maybe console

[craggy trench]

All the pictures are from pc

On my account or the other people that helped with the guide, on PC

[calm plinth]

there’s definitely good builds in the doc

but also builds that just aren’t real

at least a basic shotgun build and umbra would be good

[craggy trench]

I'll add them tonight, problem is we don't want the build to be super long

I'll remove ridgeway probably

[calm plinth]

is g36 flatline more dps than KB on perfect spotter?

[boreal jewel]

Probably not but g36 is much easier to control

[ancient acorn]

it's less currently

[craggy trench]

G36 used to be the best option for accuracy

[ancient acorn]

tbh it's fairly stable, but I don't know if I'd say it's accurate. ACR is nice tho

[calm plinth]

you could also consider adding a HB big horn build since it’s easy to make and gonna be a lot stronger next update

[craggy trench]

HB buff got reduced to a 10% increase

[calm plinth]

was this recent

i was more referring to the BH and carth buff which would indirectly buff the build

[craggy trench]

Pts phase 2

Yea catharsis and BH buffs still the same iirc so it'll be strong but not as strong as I thought/hoped

[royal steeple]

i really dont understand why u guys nerf the EB and buff st.elmo and capacitor, capacitor is allready a OP gun and need a dmg nerf, st.elmo was a big problem cuz of the shock u guys buff it more, EB was good ,u guys nerf it!!!! U guys are listen only to pve players or what ?

İron lung reload time is a joke right? U devs want that we should burn non stop ?

[simple rose]

They didn’t nerf it

They rebalanced it

[amber ice]

The devs don't really read this chat, I mean they can but most of the time think of this as an official community to community space.

[simple rose]

Adding +5 CHC and +5 CHD, lowering base weapon damage by 4.5k, buffing RPM by 50

[royal steeple]

Did u see the range from eb come on it is a smg or what eho care about crit chance and crit damage its a headshot gun not a body shot gun!

[simple rose]

Hs crits are huge

[royal steeple]

İf i want to play crit i go famas not eb…

[amber ice]

What is the new range on EB exactly?

[royal steeple]

26 lol

Smg’s 20-24 EB= 26

[amber ice]

ACR/Aug/f2000 all have 27.

that doesn't seem that bad.

[mortal badge]

Your not hitting consistent headshots at +26m...

[royal steeple]

Bro this is a joke

[amber ice]

You know when you see posts online complaining about % stat tweaks in PvP games and you think that it's a joke.

[simple rose]

The EB is a face tanking gun

You are supposed to be close range and just out HS them

This is why it gives you a armor buff when you kill an enemy up close

It’s a 9 optimal range nerf, and you can add that back with gearset bonuses

[royal steeple]

Yh ofc 😂 ur so smart

[simple rose]

Thank you, some of us enjoy thinking critically about patch notes

[royal steeple]

🤦🏻

[simple rose]

💁

[amber ice]

@royal steeple If all you want to do is complain without trying to fix your problem, this is not the server for you.

[simple rose]

Why are my messages being deleted?

[golden ermine]

Prob came off aggressive to them :/

[simple rose]

Breh

[calm plinth]

a certain mod here is a notorious power tripper

[simple rose]

Which one?

[glossy oriole]

If you think that a mod is "power tripping", feel free to send me a message. Best include screenshots if possible or at least the time (and timezone) it happened, so I can check the logs to see what's going on.

[candid flame]

guys why aren’t raid exotics the most powerful gear, their the most difficult to get yet their always underpowered especially in pvp also i feel like other raid exotics should have a minute chance to drop from paradise lost to allow people who play more solo a more fair way to acquire them

also i’ve been playing pvp for a awhile and i think their should be buffs that only solo rouge players receive on their gear, the amount of damage a single play can take to way too much for a solo pvp to be even able to compete in any scenario besides a 1v1. i think solo players should be given passive buffs like a dmg resistance multiplier or just a slight dmg boost that are only applied to solo players, like classified nomad in d1

[amber ice]

I'm unsure why you postedthat first part in the PvP discussion channel, but you want solo DZ players to be stronger?

-# (for the record, only EB+Rav can drop outside of Raids, and that's in the DZ, why Incursions in particular for a place I'm still lost on. Even in the DZ the % chance to drop is about 0.02%, which isn't altered by TL)

[candid flame]

yes i do solo players now sufficient lack dps in a tank meta compared to the intimidate meta where they had adequate dps giving them a rather fair chance to win a 1v4 based off their positioning and strategy. now however people are too tanky to be able to isolate one person from a group and kill them fast enough before getting focused and killed. in my opinion solo play used to be one of the most fun parts of dz pvp, now it has been virtually eliminated from the game

to sum it up people are too tanky and solo dps & survivability comes with too many trade offs for a solo player to adequately deal with and adapt to their opponents

which is unfortunate because solo play used to represent the pinnacle of skill in dz pvp

[amber ice]

Metas' come and metas' go. Making a drastic change like this is reactionary, and feels like it'd hurt more in the long term than help.
It's very likely that your build itself could be better on top of all that.

[tawdry pier]

Regulus is literally top performer in pvp

[amber ice]

Actually question: is this entire conversation still applicable next Season?

[ripe root]

Because it shouldn't

Raid Exotic have lower drop rate or higher drop difficulty, they should not completely hinge on how strong it is, if the lowest drop rate item are strongest, then everyone just go uniform

Furthermore, what is the definition about "strongest"
"strongest" suppose you can beat every build but obviously it is impossible in current patch

[candid flame]

definitely the problem is only accentuated due to the buffs being applied to already oppressive guns like the st elmos and nerfs to other guns like the eb, the EB is one of the only guns you can still mange to fight off a group with, however it is easily counterd by just not shooting at the player and running around when their buff is active then killing the solo player when the buff is gone. basically the advantage from grouping together is increasing

in my opinion the way to solve with problem is to grant solo players passive buffs that are only applied when their being damaged by multiple opponents(this is to prevent abuse by purposely disbanding a group) that way solo players will inherently have enough of an advantage to capitalize on sloppy group coordination quickly.

in my opinion solo play was the best during the LD meta because player had enough dmg to isolate and kill other players decisively and then quickly move on to the next. You see in solo play your success depends on mere seconds of miscordination amongst you’re enemies which solo players no longer have the dps to capitalize on

[ripe root]

I don't think it should suppose that solo player are able to against group player if they have same skill level

If you can't against group, that is make sense because you fight with multiple enemy, and you play solo, that is your choice (or you don't have any teammates because your social or whatever ), it is no way to accommodate

[candid flame]

i think you’re overestimating the strength of the buffs i’m suggesting. the buff should be strong enough to allow a solo player to decisively and quickly end a 1v1 with a player in a group but lax enough so that if a group stays together and doesn’t fall for the solo players trick the group will win. in my opinion look at videos of 1v4s that happened during LD meta. you’ll see that in the LD meta 1v4 were won by winning 4 quick 1v1s that would last maybe a few seconds each or by just using the eb. neither are possible in this meta due to player survivablity being high and solo dps be too low

in the LD meta a group that stayed together would win against a solo player 100% of the time and the solo player would be out dps-ed(as they should be), however if one of group members were more than 5-15 meters away from their group the solo player would be able to eliminate him quickly and replicate that scenario 3 more times. however now players have so much survivablity that id say 1v1s go on for abt 30 to 50 seconds on average and thats too long for any isolation that a solo play encounters to be relevant, or in fact any other strategy they use to be effective

[candid flame]

but to further counter this sentiment i would like to mention that even substantially worse players will win against a solo player because of how many crutches there are such as the st elmo’s engine, skill builds(which i think are definitely less oppressive compared to how they were in LD Meta) , or even the scorpio. all of these things completely inhibit the ability of a player to effectively fight or even reposition which i think should never occur

[lavish basin]

Didn't it become more tank oriented because people were complaining it was too much 'whoever shoots first wins' with little room for player skill to make a difference?

[amber ice]

@steel mural There is a PTS channel for feedback, you need the role via id:customize

[ripe root]

Those crutches of course did something help, but it still able to solo against team, it only depends how big of the gap between player and players, you still able to watch a lot of "1vN" clips on YouTube

[simple rose]

Solution:

don’t solo in DZ and expect to beat full squads.

[calm plinth]

i guess if you ignore the eb and reg then raid guns suck lol

reg has been a top 3 gun in pvp for like 3-4 years now and eb is an extremely solid choice ironically reg and eb are some of the best solo guns for dz

[golden ermine]

Bighorn is op, it can kill pple before they react, works fine for me

[candid flame]

the problem arises when you come across a tanky 4 stack using st elmo’s or scorpion and you can’t move. all i’m saying is the playing field should be more fair but still difficult

[candid flame]

and yes you can find 1 v4 clips still but if you analyze them you’ll usually come to the conclusion that the enemy had 0 clue what they were doing and it had nothing to do with the solo players skill

[candid flame]

the eb is overshadowed by high end weapons in my opinion, and the ravenous is virtually useless in pvp and only kind of useful in pve i think it really needs an rpm boost

[candid flame]

yes, but it’s been taken too far we’ve lost too much dps and gained too much armor in general

off topic but i believe that the shield nerf was an overall negative to the pvp experience because all it did was make the game easier for body shot players

shields made the movement skill ceiling higher because it added in another aspect the player had to manage in order to be skilled

[calm plinth]

never said rav said reg, eb is you’re best bet for 1v group scenarios no other gun can give you the sustain needed to do it

i don’t know a single game where you have the tools needed to jsut straught up 1v4 people who know what they’re doing, like any game you should pick your builds and engagements wisely for a chance to win but you’ll always be at a disadvantage (for example using a nem build to pick them off before pushing/isolating fights)

[candid flame]

rainbow 6 siege 1v5s happen all the time even in pro league and in csgo as well

[candid flame]

as for using the nemisis you get you’re first pick then they’ll just fire wall kit push you

[neat musk]

every team sport known to man

esport*

[candid flame]

i think people just don’t want to admit that there is a problem with the current meta it’s just no longer competitive

[neat musk]

the game is still semi competitive just not to the fulliest degree

[candid flame]

fights are determined by who waits for their team the longest

[candid flame]

yea my point is that solo play has basically been completely removed in pvp

[craggy trench]

Tbf the whole concept of the DZ will shit on solo players

[candid flame]

look at d1 and people like widdz the foundation of d2’s dz has the very things i’m advocating for

[craggy trench]

People like Widdz almost ruined DH when it first came out

[candid flame]

yes but that’s irrelevant to dz pvp and secondly more people than just widdz were running around solo manhunt in d1 and d2 back when pvp was actually approachable to a solo player

all i’m saying is the that the dz is supposed to be a testament of skill not a hand holding contest

[craggy trench]

It'll never be a skill thing, it's just whoever counters who's build

The only time you see super long solo manhunts is against people who suck or they are using a build that is poorly balanced

[neat musk]

hard disagree. lots of div1 guys were very successful solo

its not the DZ, its the builds and mechanics

[craggy trench]

That's solely because of how absolutely busted the build system was in Div 1

[neat musk]

yea and the opposite is true for the same reason

[amber ice]

Canonically, the DZ is supposed to kill Agents. So it being hostile and inhospitable is entirely canon.

[craggy trench]

I don't think you can really compare the 2 tbh

They are so different in design

[amber ice]

Well the 2nd one had random civvies lower a guy into a barrel of what is basically liquid warcrimes until he drowned in it.

So in both games the DZ's were pretty dark.

[neat musk]

they are different but thats the only comparison we have

[grand scarab]

if you are talking about pvp that builds is all that matters, you would be wrong, skill is needed in the dz, if you come into dz with the best build known to man it still wont mean anything if you cant aim for shot

[craggy trench]

Pulse resistance vs HB basically is what I'm saying

[candid flame]

cannon shouldn’t affect the gameplay though

[amber ice]

I think an Agent walking in with a cannon should affect the gameplay.

[candid flame]

bruh💀

[ripe root]

that's why i said the gap are not huge enough for you to soloing 4 people with 4 crutches, maybe you are not strong enough, or maybe they are not weak enough

you can run with hazard hsd, or kill with well designed like electrical box in south, or those people just aiming so bad

[ripe root]

of course skill are needed, but not only skill, the build counter also a factor, just like @craggy trench said, Pulse resistance vs HB, it is heavy counter
if HB are really skillful, and the Pulse resistance are skilless like his aiming so bad, he can't hit any shot, then HB can win, but it just extreme case

[novel osprey]

Just fire sticky them. If you lose that. Go get determined. Kill them. Tbag. Clap. Run into CP. ez

[calm plinth]

i didn’t play much siege but i did hit diamond and 1v5s only happen if the enemies are playing horribly

same as div

[golden ermine]

Plus striker and hb kinda benefit the solo player tbh

[grand scarab]

running into cp is the epitome of staying next to turrets while someone is rogue in a non invaded dz

[grand scarab]

well yeah i get that, but just saying, you can have a halfway alright dz build with some skill and kill rogues, i have while level 200-300 with not the best dz build though it was alright, and skill so

[simple rose]

I can confirm, catharsis is better than the coyotes mask in PvP

The healing effect, plus status effect removal makes it unbeatable.

[craggy trench]

It's entirely situational

But with the catharsis buff I'm inclined to agree

[neat musk]

No

Don’t feel like arguing my side but your wrong

[simple rose]

You are entitled to your opinion, that doesn’t make it objectively correct.

The catharsis is amazing in PvP (specifically conflict) for its unique ability to clear status effects, buff damage (getting buffed by 50%), AND drop a healing cloud.

The. Coyotes mask is too DPS focused. It gives you great burst damage, is worth having in many raid builds, but It lacks in survivability.

Catharsis is the most popular exotic mask for a reason.

[limber cedar]

What you mean 50%? It's up to 30%.

[simple rose]

It’s currently at 30% it is getting buffed to 45%.

A 15% buff is 50% of 30.

The mask is getting a 50% buff.

[golden ermine]

Out mathed

Coyote is literally only good in a group tho

[neat musk]

You read me the description lol

It’s great on paper

In use? Face tanking to get any kind of buff is silly

You must get shot 10-15 times before it’s actually doing more then coyote

Very situational

[limber cedar]

Not for reg builds

[neat musk]

Well yea, tanky builds can’t use coyotes

Might aswell use cath

[simple rose]

The armor core combined with the DPS buff and the status effect removal is why the catharsis is strong

Without some sort of status removal in the current meta, you are fricked

[neat musk]

Cava, personal haz pro etc

[neat musk]

Yea and to get that you must become a bullet sponge

It’s not “better” is completely different and the buffs are under used

Yea on headshot builds you might aswell use cath but on a crit build?

Coyote is instant dps buff vs delayed, bullet sponge buff

[simple rose]

Again, coyote offers no survivability

[neat musk]

Now is the buff good if you have a tardi player and unbreakable etc yea

[simple rose]

Don’t face tank, play from cover.

[neat musk]

Cath offers survivability after being shot a ton of times

[simple rose]

No

[neat musk]

Then cath sucks, cuz it requires you to face tank lol. If you’re not getting shot cath does nothing

[simple rose]

The cath proc usually is triggered by stingers

[neat musk]

Again situational

That requires someone to be using hive

[simple rose]

Status builds are in every lobby

[neat musk]

With hives that don’t kill you hella fast? Not really

Proccing it off hives requires you to not die first

[limber cedar]

Rugged gauntlets is better than both

[neat musk]

That’s how the healing cloud works man

You have to get hit 30 times lol

[simple rose]

You clearly don’t know how to play if you insist that the catharsis only gives you an advantage when you face tank

[simple rose]

How many times does a status tick on an average skill?

(15-20)

[neat musk]

Never said you have to face tank. I said it works best when you face tank, You can play around cover but your better off using something else or coyote lol

[neat musk]

Ok, that’s getting hit 30 times

lol

[neat musk]

I don’t insist