td2-descent

[gloomy pulsar]

Been wanting to do a rambo run with the m60

[pine siren]

I think it just deltas you if you try and join an active descent player

Lmgs are very good, depending on talent selection (eg you'd probably pick plague over breathe free as an exotic talent)

[gloomy pulsar]

Highest I've gotten is 17, I don't really know if that's good, nor do I really care all that much, I got to experience what a max fire rate vector looks like

[ionic plover]

They can be really fun with stacking of chatterbox and bullet hell

[pine siren]

Yeah my last (and best so far) solo run was 99% lmg kills

[desert pond]

id actually do the exact opposite

lmao

[pine siren]

Breathe free is great for pistol/rifle/shotgun builds where you can keep the stacks up all the time quite easily

[desert pond]

yea shotgun/smg is what im running

shotgun/Lmg

[sick hare]

Got way past the Nemesis in a group, but my project didn't tick off. Is that a common bug?

[desert pond]

@sick hare currently the project cannot be completed

but you do get the rewards

[sick hare]

Oh ok, so it is a bug, thx! ...yeah, pretty sure I did get the rewards, was just confused about the project not completing.

[maiden canyon]

Is the reconstructed cache from the nemesis or the weekly descent project?

There are inconsistencies in getting it

[carmine palm]

looking for someone to play descent till nemesis

[onyx nacelle]

Is it correct that Decent does not give Clan XP? I'm picking up personal XP just fine, but absolutely nothing for the Clan.

[grizzled briar]

how to get exactly reconstruction caches in descent ?
i did loop 31 in 7hours and not a single blueprint

[hallow fable]

chance at nemesis to drop and after loop 30, but its all in chances

[grizzled briar]

i did like 20 run or more and i killed nemisis like more than 10 time and still nothing

[hallow fable]

its low chance, yup

[short orbit]

7 kills of Nemesis so far and 0 blueprints.... Highest loop so far 26

[hallow fable]

well, idk what to say, keep trying sometime it will drop i guess

im not sure if anyone actually got bp tho, i heard ther are some named items people got but no bp

[carmine palm]

looking for someone to play descent till nemesis

[short orbit]

Friend got already 4. Another one 2...

[hallow fable]

guess its just dumb rng luck

[short orbit]

Yeah as usual.....

[hallow fable]

well, keep trying, youll get it too, its only matter of time

[short orbit]

🤮 There are more then 30 to Grind...

[hallow fable]

well, its a grind game, no? 🤔🤣

[short orbit]

True 😂

[hallow fable]

who knoes, maybe youll pick 30th bp and those two mates will be stuck at 2 and 4

its fairly possible outcome lol

[short orbit]

You never know 🤣

I just know that doing that shit solo makes no fun 🤣 did it twice

[hallow fable]

but, i wouldnt expect that bad those bp, if it drops it drops, if not, well, next time

yeah, duo imo best bet

[short orbit]

True

[hallow fable]

theres no 4 nemesis, and easier to hold rooms with duo than 4

[short orbit]

30-40 min per run on a normal speed

[hallow fable]

yup

and try to have same mate most of runs, its helps to get used to each other and how each is thinking, it makes runs faster and easier

[short orbit]

Yeah

[daring arrow]

you dont have to concentrate on high loops, just Nemesis kills. (3 reconstructed caches here from killing nemesis loop 5 and exit on loop 6, its baaaaaad rng)

still annoying

[hallow fable]

wait, you overall get 3 caches, or you got 3 caches from one nemesis?

[uncut gate]

Blueprints are dropped if you reach 40th loop. But it' not guaranteed tho. 🤷 Not from killing Nemesis.

[balmy finch]

no they both said the same thing. its bad rng to get it from nemesis, but confirmed at loop 40

they both said it can drop from nemesis lol

[ionic plover]

Damn around 10 runs completing nemesis and have yet to see re-cons cache lol

[balmy finch]

i got one on my run to 33

[desert pond]

ive had like 5 so far

[grizzled briar]

how?

[desert pond]

all i got was some random named gear

[desert pond]

60h+ worth of runs lmao

[grizzled briar]

lol

[desert pond]

i grinded 160ish shd levels with descent alone

and descent is slow as hell for xp

[grizzled briar]

you should have good gaming chair

[balmy finch]

i love how lucky shot is just extra but better

[grizzled briar]

with chatterbox talent is nice

[desert pond]

lmao ikr

i genuinely thought theres a difference at higher tiers but nah

[orchid blade]

Anyone free need 2 with mics

[balmy finch]

not an lfg channel

[orchid blade]

@balmy finch where is lfg for descent?

[balmy finch]

regular lfg channel

[proven basin]

LFG Descent

[balmy finch]

i just said this aint an lfg channel

[proven basin]

Where does it say that.?

[balmy finch]

its not in the lfg channel category

just tryna help out mate

[proven basin]

I posted there too

[balmy finch]

mk

[daring arrow]

you can only get one per run if lucky enough (as far as I've seen), so one per nemesis (again if rng allows)

[balmy finch]

its not one per run guaranteed

[daring arrow]

yes the rng is quite outta this world

absolutely rng - not guranteed

imho the rng isn't even worth chasing atm

[balmy finch]

im bored enough to chase it

[ionic plover]

Pretty much nothing else to do
This game mode is sure fun tho I enjoy it
Just hopefully they keep supporting it and adding more stuff to it

[grizzled briar]

go touch some grass

[ionic plover]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[twin geyser]

Tweaking enemy's damage must be done asap - at high loops it's just a joke

[dusty flame]

hi, is there a reason why some final loop boss gives you an exotic while others dont? also can the exotic talents be upgraded?

[grizzled briar]

Arena room can give u exotic talent

And no upgrade for exotic talent

[ionic plover]

Random after 1st

[grizzled briar]

It's rng

Is the world difficulty can affect on how much do we can get in decent?

[ionic plover]

Nope

[grizzled briar]

I mean xp

[ionic plover]

Levels difficulty doesn't matter

[ionic plover]

Nope same

[grizzled briar]

Some people say can

[ionic plover]

People say loads of things
Don't believe them unless they can prove it

[grizzled briar]

I don't think so

[twin geyser]

All directives give you more XP

[grizzled briar]

Tnx

[fast dawn]

did their 100K SHD get reverted too? Cus I just saw some guy with 241K SHD 🤡 🤡 🤡

[grizzled briar]

if u dare go 1 v1 with that guy 😂

[reef patio]

man descent needs some new weapons here

[twin geyser]

It needs tons of QoL improvements

[reef patio]

yeah and maybe sme new talent's too

[lime zephyr]

They need to reroll exotic talents... Like remove Glass canon and bloodsucker and maybe include the memento talent etc

[twin geyser]

Bloodsucker is good, but glass cannon is a joke

[narrow oasis]

i finally managed to kill nemesis

on what will be my luckiest run ever

[desert pond]

@narrow oasis do you mind explaining how youre struggling to beat nemesis?

genuinely wondering

[narrow oasis]

i die

but its alr

i did it

but ig its mainly shit rng and me not being used to it ig

[reef patio]

or to have the talent from tardigrade added in or the coyote mask talent

[mossy moon]

have the luckiest/unluckiest run ever
choose between shotgum or reviver hive : /
other runs neither

[grizzled briar]

shotgun

[narrow oasis]

870 hits like a truck

[grizzled briar]

with unhinged lvl 10

[desert pond]

nah even without

just run breathe free

[grizzled briar]

what was breathe free?

the lady death?

[hexed dome]

Yes

[grizzled briar]

magnum pistol hit good as well

[obtuse flint]

Intimidate would be insane with bloodsucker and leadership. I wish that was in there

[grizzled briar]

in what loop we can get purple or yellow gun?

[cyan fox]

I believe there are no high end guns in descent

And purples are rare

[twin geyser]

They don't exist

[grizzled briar]

even at loop 100?

[desert pond]

blue is the highest you can go

[twin geyser]

and it's lame

[obtuse flint]

So, how do we feel about red vs blue cores for long runs?

Basically the only thing I’m still undecided on

[grizzled briar]

i did loop 31 only blue core

[obtuse flint]

But with unhinged I imagine?

[grizzled briar]

yes , and vigi , crit chance and composure , allegro
all lvl 10

plus opetunestic at lvl 10

i have picture of that if u want i can send it to u

[obtuse flint]

Sure I’ll keep it

[grizzled briar]

game crashed at loop 6 in arena

gg

[desert pond]

mine crashed at 20 the other day

[grizzled briar]

oh no😢

rouge agent still can drop 2 sniper turret

same time

[desert pond]

found out abt that one way too late

[grizzled briar]

it was almost about to killed me

[grizzled briar]

Incessant Chatter with lucky shot lvl 10 can be good to try?

i mean replace it with bullet hell

[rustic bough]

This is something I found as I progressed into further loops. It's the talents and weapon choices that will carry me. Investing in blue cores will pay off in the long run.

[twin geyser]

What are your weapon picks, if not a secret? I mean, using unhinged require some fast weapons, not shotguns, right?

If you don't want to drop satellites, of course

[rustic bough]

T10 Vigilance, Unhinged and Concussion, Close and Personal, and Opportunistic. That's a theoretical 480% weapon damage boost

[twin geyser]

Which range does close and personal have on T10?

[rustic bough]

And there's Breathe Free

[rustic bough]

8 m

[cyan fox]

I would only run unhinged with talents that help stability and accuracy

[twin geyser]

Don't recommend in a long run - enemies just drop you to the floor, if you run all the time(

[rustic bough]

Oh I forgot Precise T10

[rustic bough]

Move Cover2Cover with Leadership 10

Skills are revive hive and crusader shield

[twin geyser]

I died today on loop 31, to a yellow elite rusher, who 2-tapped me, being at 240% armor (from blue cores) + 200% armor from leadership and +90% armor from adrush

Loop 30+ is a joke in terms of enemy damage

[rustic bough]

Oof

Okay cool I've never been that far yet

[cyan fox]

At a certain point ur armor barely fucking matters

[rustic bough]

Longest I've done was 24 then extracted

[twin geyser]

And that's not ok, right?

[cyan fox]

Oops automodded

[twin geyser]

I just want to get loop 40 armpatch and after that just farm nemesis once per week, until they give the update for descent

[cyan fox]

You could have all ur bonus armor and they'd still one or 2 tap you

So no it's not right

[rustic bough]

Vanguard

[twin geyser]

So what's the point of investment into armor?)

[cyan fox]

I have zero clue
Cuz it gets to a point it doesn't matter
They will sometimes quite literally insta down you

They don't even care about ur health

[rustic bough]

What's the point of investing into armor or weapon damage, you mean? Talents carry you so blue is the only choice

[cyan fox]

But you get 2 or 1 tapped regardless of armor cores

You will get meleed and insta downed

[twin geyser]

The longer you waste time shooting enemies - the more chances you are getting down in next 5 seconds

[cyan fox]

Especially when they Spawn 3 fucking snipers that insta down you

[twin geyser]

Painful flashbacks (

[cyan fox]

Or the lmg outcast dude that spawns with special ammo and has the tankyness of a legendary enemy

I had 3 of those lmg dudes Spawn out of a door

[rustic bough]

I don't know how tough enemies are on Loop 31 hp-wise, but on Loop 23 with a 2-man team, I was still one-tapping most enemies, 2-tapping Rikers tank and 3 for all the other factions tanks, with just 7 red cores

[upper smelt]

I think the biggest reason is how much it strengthens the blue talents like preservation, ad rush, and bloodsucker. On its own armor doesnt do much, but you can get quite a lot of survivability at least vs most enemies

[rustic bough]

Totally, like I said previously, talents will carry you.

[cyan fox]

Yea the problem is more if the game decides to troll ur ass and spawn the worst combo of enemies at the same time
It's why I wanna try and invest into status effects on my next run and foam /blind everything

[twin geyser]

I pointed 30+ loop, because until loop 25 (where everything becomes heroic) it's a walk in the park

[rustic bough]

Creeping death when

[cyan fox]

There's a boatload of talents that they can add over time

[rustic bough]

Trauma is super OP as well

[cyan fox]

Gear set talents
Exotic talents
Regular talents

[twin geyser]

Not arguable - great for controlling rogues

[rustic bough]

There are some they should remove too, though

[twin geyser]

Just give us a normal rogue-lite game mechanics, where you can block some things, you don't want to see in your run

[cyan fox]

I think they want to dilute the pool not remove stuff tbh

Why do you think glass is exotic

Or bloodsucker

Only madmen take glass tbh

[twin geyser]

I don't know who are those people, who pick glass in Descent

[rustic bough]

I don't understand why Preservation isn't an exotic

[cyan fox]

Masochists

[rustic bough]

We did, 2 of us in a 4-man group, we killed Nemesis easily 😂

[desert pond]

no need for lucky

[cyan fox]

Not like the nemesis is that though tbh

[desert pond]

just bring an lmg

thats all

[rustic bough]

Yeah, it's not the best choice to go beyond Nemesis with GC

[cyan fox]

I think status is the way to go imo
Especially in a group

[rustic bough]

I once spent 5 hive charges on @stiff rain in a single loop, guy was dying left and right with GC

[desert pond]

lmao

[cyan fox]

There is no point in taking glass

[stiff rain]

it was the best choice i had at the time, i scrambled to switch out when i got exotic talent again after nemesis

but man, was GC my bane of existence

[cyan fox]

So someone clarify this cuz I'm not sure if I saw things and I'm going insane or not
Can you upgrade exotic talents like you can regular ones

[rustic bough]

No

I WISH

[cyan fox]

OK
I don't know what I saw
Must've been a mirage

[stiff rain]

it does have the number in the corner for talent tier, but it's basically dead

[rustic bough]

Imagine GC where you deal 90% more damage but take 165% more

[stiff rain]

always tier 1

[desert pond]

jesus christ

[stiff rain]

your armor is basically only one-shot protection

[rustic bough]

Even T2 Plague of the Outcasts would be insanely OP

[cyan fox]

OK they sniff you and you die and the game crashes and deletes ur save files
And then uninstalls itself

[rustic bough]

And install a wife

[stiff rain]

my wife left

[rustic bough]

:(

[cyan fox]

What do you guys think about the solo difficulty compared to groups

[rustic bough]

I'd prefer to play in groups because it's more fun

[cyan fox]

Can't be the only one that notices after a while the scaling is out of sorts

Solo is piss easy and boring till nemesis
Then it's boring till like loop 15 plus

[rustic bough]

With voice comms it becomes a sitcom and yeah solo is boring

My best for solo is loop 8 XD

No reason to keep going post-Nemesis

[cyan fox]

I did loop 20 solo and then wanted to do it again after a few days and I got so bored I quit at loop 6

[rustic bough]

I want to see more ways to spend my NSA tech tbh

[cyan fox]

They should have gear you can buy and caches from it tbh

No reason not to
It'll become a dead currency in a matter of weeks

[rustic bough]

Nah, we have too many such vendors already

[cyan fox]

More rng for vendors to sell good stuff isn't a bad thing tbh

[twin geyser]

There are about 10 ideas, what you can spend your NSA tech on right now

[rustic bough]

I was thinking Descent upgrades that give a miniscule amount of boosts for you to invest in in the long run

And the cost increases the more you buy it

[rustic bough]

Hmm where can I see the feedback for Descent? If there is one

[desert pond]

ight let me just grab my 2k currency

[twin geyser]

Sorry for making you confused. I mean, I have 10 ideas 🙂

[rustic bough]

Oooh lol

[twin geyser]

💀

[grizzled briar]

Super 90 or m870 with FAl with magnum pistol
With braced t10 and steady hand t7 and optimized t4
Plus bloodsuker

Magnum pistol had around 34k per crit

I had 450% armor on loop 31

[ionic plover]

Weren't there 16 comms showing when Descent launched?

[raven lagoon]

yup

[obtuse flint]

I really feel like workshop is the most dangerous room possible

I have died there in late loops like 5 fucking times 😡

[gloomy pulsar]

What an ending, nemi and I traded headshots at the end

I think marksman rifles are goated in this mode

[desert pond]

combustion lab

you get cornered = f

[hidden idol]

Workshop has no safe area. Combustion lab has one

You know the highest part of Combustion, where there is a explosive thing?

Just shoot it and you get yourself a nice position to handle any enemies

[desert pond]

you have fun sitting up there against rogues

theyll toss a turret to the other side of that platform and youre fucked

[obtuse flint]

At least you have cover to kill the turret. You don’t have that in workshop. From here on out, I’m calling it the devils workshop and I’m never going in again 😂

[mossy moon]

somone can let me know why some palyers have different backpacks in descent?

[pine siren]

In a group the players are assigned numbers 1-4

[mild ridge]

anyone had a npc get stuck in spawn door? is round over or any tips to get him out?

[mossy moon]

somone has a different one with ropes and stuff on it with bihozzard logo

https://yourimageshare.com/ib/OwHB8R1JVJ

[pine siren]

Odd, never seen that before. A glitch in the matrix perhaps?

[pine siren]

I think they despawn once they've been stuck there long enough (although it's a bit inconsistent in the open world)

[mossy moon]

Need some answers plz 😦

[mild ridge]

thanks for the responses, unfortuantly we all waited till just now and it was still stuck there in the wall behind the spawn door and wouldnt go on to the next wave 😦 oh well

[mild ridge]

ive noticed a lot of players show up with their backpacks form their normal kit showing. I think its just a glitch in displaying the correct skin

[rustic bough]

Marksman itself is goated just for having Plague of the Outcasts

[mild ridge]

does anyone happen to know how to view your NSA Tech upgrades that youve already purchased? They seem to disappear from the list once maxed and I cant rememebr what the stats went up to or how to check my total stats once in the descnt. thanks!

[hallow fable]

im not sure if thats thing, but you can get pic of not upgraded list of stats and count it yourself, its +20% adds on full upgrade

[mild ridge]

thanks Ill try and hunt for one on google. Ya I couldnt rememberif the crit chance was 20% or not fully upgraded

[hallow fable]

it gives 2% per upgrade level, there is 10 levels to upgrade, so yeah, it gives 20%

[hexed dome]

I think CHC is 10

I already used it so I can't check haha

[hallow fable]

dang no pic on google about upgrade stats, guess everyone been busy to upgrade it before taking screenshot XD

i still think its 20% for CHC too

[uncut gate]

Nah, its 10% for crit chance.

With t10 surgical you'll get 60%. As it should be. :)

[mild ridge]

ya i cant find anything on google either 😦

[mild ridge]

thats what i was wondering, but i do seem to specifically remember seeing 12% on one of the upgrades, so thats what got me confused, I just cant remember if it was the level 10 upgrade or earlier (i wasnt expecting it to disappear once i maxed it lol😅

[hallow fable]

then only chc has 10% bonus, all rest thing is 20% except currency one

[scarlet girder]

When you take Blue cores, does your Shield scale off of it?

It doesn't. 😦

[ionic plover]

Has anyone tested if agonizing bite is worth it or not ?
Do you need strained obliterate chd for it to be viable ?

[desert pond]

its a good perk

and yes, obliterate and strained are very good with it

[ionic plover]

Sorry should have clarified is it worth it in higher loops like 15-20+ ?

[desert pond]

highest ive been in was 25

the only problem with agonising is that it becomes a crutch

[ionic plover]

What do you mean by that ? Like it's too slow ?

[desert pond]

no, it becomes a crutch

aka you dont do shit without it

thats why i swapped to breathe free

[ionic plover]

Ah alright seems like I need to test it
I think agonizing bite breaths free and bloodsucker might be the best for late game (loops)

[desert pond]

nah

you absolutely need chatter later on

you'll start to run out of ammo without it

[ionic plover]

I usually just go with allgre I think was the name

[desert pond]

chatter creates ammo, allegro doesnt

[ionic plover]

I can clear rooms with magnum lol that's why breaths free is at the top

No ammo issue

[desert pond]

you cant clear a room with a sidearm at loop 30+ lol

[ionic plover]

Uff yea I haven't reached that high yet
Don't got the time lol 🥺

[desert pond]

also dont forget that chatter gives much more rpm than allegro

[ionic plover]

Yup yup do you then bother with stacking chatter with bullet hell or do you just go with one or the other

[desert pond]

i only run one

[ionic plover]

I see thank you for all the info 👌

[odd nexus]

Breathe free with snipers and rifles is pretty fun

[rustic bough]

Breathe free, Plague of the Outcasts and Bullet Hell = yum

[desert pond]

swap bullet hell for chatter

its just bettee

[fast laurel]

Bloodsucker instead of Breathe, for me.. i like to stand up when i reload for some reason..

[balmy finch]

thats concerning

[delicate ruin]

Had a nemesis down to only one shot but ran out of ammo and lost that fight after it ran back to its restorer hive

[balmy finch]

grenades to well

[delicate ruin]

Already used them all

[balmy finch]

f

[delicate ruin]

I did switch to my pistol but saw I had ammo in my lmg so I decided to use that but he got into cover

[fast laurel]

sadly my wins have only come from having Plague/Outcasts.. and waiting patiently for it to die..
i normally get ran up to and then deaded.. tried it with a turret, it has 3.. tried it with (any) Hive, it has restorer..
Nemi is finicky..

[chrome briar]

I was having fun killing the nemesis in 10 shots with a pistol

[balmy finch]

wdym finicky

[fast laurel]

regardless of winning or not.. the xp is safe for the HC character..

[rustic bough]

All I need is foam. Then Nemesis is deaded

[fast laurel]

Nemi's build is based around yours as you progress.. so i either meta a win.. and then pick skills/weapons i am good with.. or i try to take it down with the other "ideas".. like assault turret and Companion talent..

[balmy finch]

or just use a foam and then all problems solved

[fast laurel]

its fun either way lol.. i have familiarized myself with a lot of talent skills/what they can do now.. so no loss..

[balmy finch]

yeah im loving descent

i feel like its preparing for a future mission by the way it revolves around the white house and fighting doppelgangers

[balmy finch]

WAIT

COULD IT BE A HUNTER TRAINING GROUND

[cyan fox]

Pretty sure Mcmanus is involved in the background of what descent is

(the comms have a shit ton of lore)

[balmy finch]

How do you know

Only three comms have come out

Lmao

[cyan fox]

The 2nd comm is pretty big
And kinda namedrops the name of season 4

[balmy finch]

Wait does it

What was the name of s4

xD

Vanguard?

Black diamond?

I don't remember

[cyan fox]

It says smth about a equivalent to ISAC named diamond
Season 4 is named black diamond

[balmy finch]

I don't remember hearing this

[jolly cave]

And this is why people get confused about the div2 lore.
We've already had a Season 4, but now we get another one.

[cyan fox]

FINE year 5 season 4

[jolly cave]

Season 11.
It's real simple. It's the 11th one not counting repeats.

[cyan fox]

Non I refuse to call it that
I'll just say Y5S4

[jolly cave]

Hmm, now that I think about it it is actually later, since 5-8 were repeats.

[balmy finch]

Wait so what season is it

Fuck

Uhh

We had lewis Anderson and stovepipe

So that's 13?

First four were reran then we got lewis / Anderson /stovepipe

So we are on 12?

Sounds about right

[jolly cave]

Season 1 - Shadow Tide
Season 2 - Keener’s Legacy
Season 3 - Concealed Agenda
Season 4 - End of Watch
Season 9 - Hidden Alliance
Season 10 - Price of Power
Season 11 - Reign of Fire
Year 5 Season 1 - Broken Wings
Year 5 Season 2 - Puppeteers
Year 5 Season 3 - Vanguard
Year 5 Season 4 - Black Diamond```
Yeah that's about right. So Descent is Season 12.

[balmy finch]

Yay I was right

Puppeteers concerns me as a name

[jolly cave]

Sesame Street Apparel Event here we come.

[cyan fox]

Vanguard is the most intriguing along with black diamond

Vanguard should have some more juicy keener lore

[jolly cave]

I mean, Vanguard is just a term often used as the front of an army.
may have nothing to do with Keener. Although that doesn't sound likely.

[undone bolt]

Vanguard was Keener's callsign

[cyan fox]

Nah he's call sign vanguard

[balmy finch]

Keener call sign butt face

[cyan fox]

It's definitely related to him

It's called vanguard plus it's centered around NY
It's basically gonna set up season 4 and the dlc

[jolly cave]

I hope it's just us going to where we left his body and kicking it a few times.

[balmy finch]

Yay

I'm curious what he meant by "you have no idea what's coming" because if he meant the rogues then that's underwhelming

[jolly cave]

My lore-nose says that it was litearlly just that, that they had no idea at the time themselves.
Otherwise there'd have been some sort of hint in the following cutscene of events beyond Lau being a moron.

[balmy finch]

I hope they play more onto it

They left a lot of room to do so

[jolly cave]

This is definitely veering towards #division-universe, but I'll just say that I'm not confident.

[cyan fox]

Probably meant the rogue network he activated "ANNA" and other stuff

[cyan fox]

Descent with 4 man scaling is the most bullshit thing I've seen yet

[scarlet girder]

Got cocky on the final mob of a room and forgot they had bleed ammo 💀

[gloomy pulsar]

"Bleed motherf*cker, BLEED!"

[obtuse flint]

Honestly I feel like it’s the one part of the game that’s truly better to solo or duo than 4-man which is unfortunate

[brave wing]

Whats a good number to end a run? Im at loop 11 and its kinda ez

[gloomy pulsar]

I think 25 was when we vsed rogues, they're another caliber entirely

They make you eat your 'ez' words

Got through one wave, then the second one fucked us

[twin geyser]

Foam and trauma talent make them ez until loop 30+

[gloomy pulsar]

Thing is, we never expected it

So it was just decoy and reviver, my mate had a drone, which he didn't use luckily or we wouldn't have made the first wave

[grizzled briar]

chem fire at door , jammer pulse for black tusk

[hidden idol]

rogues can hack our skills here?

or it uses a hunter AI/skills?

[carmine palm]

do i just have bad luck or there's no shields in desc

[hexed dome]

Bad luck

[hallow fable]

hive & shield, lowest droprate in descent

[upper smelt]

Imo shields aren't that useful in descent like they are in the main game. They just get lit up too fast to be out to any real use. Your much better off using talents like preservation and ad rush to keep yourself up

[ionic plover]

Yup they are useless in this mode

[desert pond]

foam means you cant run reviver and decoy

and having to drop one of those is a pain

[ionic plover]

You don't need decoy

Run rev and foam

[twin geyser]

After loop 30, if you fall - you're dead anyway

[twin geyser]

And foam is much better to just stop enemy from run'n'hide, instead of hoping, that he'll shoot decoy and not you

[cunning quest]

@twin geyser foam would be even better if enemies were spawning in a tighter area behind the doors, which would probably fix the BT dogs not to stay immobile once doors are opened.

[scarlet girder]

Shields don't even scale off blue cores in this mode either

[desert pond]

wrong

if you toss a t6 decoy at them they wont shoot you at all

and decoy also helps with snipers

i will however try it out once im home

[long totem]

foam + lucky shot

[astral anchor]

tired to wait matchmaking being level 30, was waiting 2 hours

tired, went to do other things

[astral anchor]

yep, only yellow

idk if its bug ot its planned xd was asking during PTS but no answer

or I havnt seen it

[desert pond]

shield is kinda sorta useful until loop 15

afterwards it just gets onetapped by everything lmao

[balmy finch]

Vanguard

[rustic bough]

I've heard things start to change gears around loop 31+. While I've never been that far, at loop 23 I was still running and gunning. I would pick a door and camp it, then move from C2C or snipe from a distance to deal with the remaining enemies. So the question is, can I still approach loop 31 with that playstyle?

[grizzled briar]

i tried to sniping long range and shotgun for close dident work for me

i did loop 31 with shotgun , chase them ,run around , no c2c

[obtuse flint]

How do you guys reckon we can get the devs to really hear us about checkpoints for this mode?

[upper smelt]

I think theres a fair jump in the scaling at 25 and again at 30. Didn't make it to 35 to see if theres another jump following the pattern. Its not that you cant play close, but its very easy to get overwhelmed and your very dependant on killing consistenly to keep things like preservation active

[rustic bough]

Cool, thanks for the insight

[balmy finch]

you can try suggesting it on like trello or something idfk

[desert pond]

you mean checkpoints for DCs etc or for deaths?

because having checkpoints for dying would defeat the purpose of this mode imo

[cyan fox]

Checkpoints to continue after the nemesis
Like you quit it saves and then you can continue

But no checkpoint if you die

[obtuse flint]

This

[desert pond]

id love it to protect against crashes too

[obtuse flint]

I felt like there was another jump at 35. Although I was dead tired and over it

[obtuse flint]

Preface: I don’t speak IT.

Isn’t the reason they can’t make that distinction is because a lot of people just unplug their internet if they are going to die?

[raven lagoon]

you can just make it like they do HC of a sort....change the timer depending on the area you're in. any place outside of the initial setup room (first starting room on a loop) is considered pvp, and a disconnection from there leaves character at a 30 second timer. so even if u pull plug ur character stays, most likely dies, checkpoint lost. if characters are within the starting room, where u can literally press the button to return to DC, characters are safe and saved in that location as checkpoint. something like that....

can't pull plug mid run, BUT SIDE EFFECT: players who crash mid run tho (means they crash and no bueno), will have checkpoint at last starting loop room. so either the group quits and remakes at previous checkpoint room, or the remaining group continues on without crashed player.

[obtuse flint]

Hmm yeah I didn’t think about how that would work with a group

[raven lagoon]

there's lots of a lil hiccups to overcome but with the right people and brains they could make it work.

like, do you add a player limiter of sorts? for checkpoints? where a group can pick back up where it left off but a list is created from checkpoint and only the players who were present when checkpoint was created can join? or what? it'd be weird to have a saved checkpoint and be able to invite others in, but also sad if groups couldn't use checkpoint feature either. or maybe they don't give groups checkpoints at all, thinking they'd be proceeding faster anyways compared to solo players.

[flint breach]

It’s a simulation so having checkpoints defeats purpose of it being simulation

[pine siren]

...say what now? Checkpoints are something that, by definition, can pretty much only exist in simulations. Like saved games.

[raven lagoon]

the two main reason people want checkpoints are because 1) the game crashes more than a college student that misses out on starbucks espresso run, and 2) it is actually kinda silly to put a patch or other rewards that start at loop 31+ and expect people to play for HOURS (talking 4+) at a time when even the game states at the start of it, to take periodic breaks and such and NOT play for hours at a time. haha

so i can see the charm of loop start checkpoints that get lost on death/DC

[pine siren]

yeah, it limits the availability of some rewards to those who can actually spare an 8hr stint to play, regardless of their capability

[obtuse flint]

I think more people would actually try at descent if there were checkpoints. Most of my friends have said that they won’t for solely that reason.

[pine siren]

you can run nemesis in under an hour with a bit of practice (under half an hour if you're lucky and really go for it), which imo is worth it for the guaranteed exotic cache and so on

[twin geyser]

I go to that simulation stuff only after tweaks. I'm anxious about being one-tapped with 400% bonus armor

[obtuse flint]

Yeah, my shortest yet is 31 minutes, but I haven’t gotten lucky with breathe free on first loop yet.

I meant long runs tho for the patches. They don’t go past nemesis if at all. The lack of checkpoints is just a complete turn off

Truly, I enjoy the cover to cover gameplay of loop 30+. It’s really exciting and different but having to run for like 3-4+ hours straight before getting there? I can’t keep doing that.

[pine siren]

agreed

[twin geyser]

Would be nice to have pre-reworked summit system: every 10 loops there is a checkpoint. If it's a simulation, let us start straight with tough enemies (you got the idea)

[jolly cave]

That does kinda defeat the point of a rogue-lite.

[upper smelt]

Rogue-lites by definition aren't strictly following any rules, by definition they are changing something up from the formula, so I just see that as a poor argument

[jolly cave]

Not really. Rogue-like as you know, refers to the original game design of dying and restarting from scratch.
the generally accepted definition for "rogue-lite" is that it means you die and restart, but maintain certain overall bonuses.

My statement is purely referring to the fact that a checkpoint would mean that it's a very watered down version of the latter, which would just become another Summit, not its own mode.

tl;dr let it be its own thing, I say.

[upper smelt]

The original rogue on steam literally has a save feature.... This argument is just not based on anything having to do with the genre

Some roguelikes have saved features, some don't. It's not at all some hard and fast rule on the genre and absolutely not a reason why/why not to have the option

[jolly cave]

Yes, that is why I said it was my opinion at the end and not an objective statement.

[cyan fox]

I would say that for this game considering how much this game crashes or you get stuck outside of rooms killing ur run
Think a save /checkpoint feature wouldn't hurt
But make it so that if you save and then exit and continue it again, if you die you lose the checkpoint

I think it would work well like this

But how would it work in a group is my question

[jolly cave]

Adding it in to band-aid the crashing issue is not a good temporary measure IMO.
unless they plan to remove it once the problem is solved.

I can maybe stomach the idea if it's like "save at a certain point", and they're quite far apart.

e.g. every 10 zones.

[cyan fox]

Every 10 loops?

10,20,30

I think that would work

Kinda like how summit does their checkpoints

[jolly cave]

One caveat: it's not transferrable to other players. E.g. if they join at Loop 30, they don't get the Loop 30 checkpoint unless they reached that from Loop 0.

avoids the Summit clone factor.

[upper smelt]

Every 10 levels is a save every hour-2 hours, which seems quite a bit long imo

And that's not at a slow pace

[balmy finch]

i think they should give you the option to pause mid-run and log out, but not go to other things in the game

[cyan fox]

Idk then 5 loops?

[balmy finch]

so you cant just go do a mission and pick up

i think they should just let you pause the whole run, not checkpoint it

[upper smelt]

I mean why not every level?

[balmy finch]

id say this should be every loop

[cyan fox]

How would a checkpoint work in a group
Let's say I'm the leader of the group and I leave and it saves
But the group was with randoms
How would it work next time I resumed that save
Would it even let me matchmake before hand with a save and if so how tf would the randoms have their builds when they join
Unless it would just take their last run build?

[balmy finch]

yeah its not built for this kind of thing

[balmy finch]

this would make sense

the idea i proposed

make the most sense, at least

because it would lock all the group members so they can only rejoin on that group unless they leave the entire descent as a whole

[cyan fox]

They could make smth like "this person wants to resume the descent run" and give a prompt to other group members that were there when it was saved but then it'd be a mess cuz who tf knows if they'd all be online

My biggest problem would be the matchmade groups situation

[balmy finch]

yeah theres not really a way to pull off saving

[cyan fox]

It's not like they can just ignore the matchmaking side or else the group leader that had the save has his entire build there let's say at loop 30 and then the other 2 or smth have fuck all

Unless the game pulled their last saved run and gave them those builds or it just randomly generated them a build

It's a pretty big headache
NO wonder they have to really think about checkpoints or saves

[upper smelt]

Just have the group start at whoever has the lowest checkpoint

[balmy finch]

thats how you get people to start kicking people with lower checkpoints

[obtuse flint]

I mean descent doesn’t seem to be working well with random groups anyways. You all have someone taking a year and a half at the talent box

[balmy finch]

theres a timer lol

[obtuse flint]

Still slows things down quite a bit. Usually seems to take me like close to 2 hours in a random group of 4 to get to nemesis.

[balmy finch]

are you doing all hard mode

[obtuse flint]

🙄 they always seem to want to and when I say something about it, even if just a mild nudge, someone gets upset

[balmy finch]

well thats why lol

has nothing to do with taking long at the console

[obtuse flint]

And another reason why random matchmaking doesn’t seem to work very well

[balmy finch]

idk i hit loop 13 on a random group last night

i just had to leave thats all

[obtuse flint]

I’ve had two good runs at off hours with dedicated agents. Otherwise just mostly folks who really can’t pull their own weight

Which is fine until they nearly instantly die during nemesis fight and then I die after getting pushed by multiple.

And ultimately also fine until someone gets on mic to be toxic about losing 😂

[balmy finch]

you always have the option to go solo tbf

[obtuse flint]

Which I do! Just making the case that random group play doesn’t seem to work well for this mode compared to seemingly everything else. This is the only time I have ever played solo in the history of my division play

[balmy finch]

i just want a way to spend all of my nsa tech lol

3332 right now

[balmy finch]

wait

why the fuck does the map say that descent is 328.5km away

[river sapphire]

I wonder why they decided not to add any type of caches to the vendor on release, if it was either planned or just forgotten about

Which is kinda crazy to me ngl, it's the first thing you'd think of with a permanent out of gamemode currency such as countdown, imagine if Countdown just had 3 random rolls weekly or just perm upgrades 💀 This gamemode would've benefited a lot from selling the reconstruction caches on release and make it a real draw due to the named blueprints, because a collectible, renamed field cache (simulation) and an armpatch is like a 2/10 on exclusive rewards

Nonetheless ima still play it everyday, since i enjoy the solo and fun wave clear aspect, that's more accessible and unforgiving compared to the summit

[teal fiber]

I play it everyday. I love this new mode, im in love with it. I spent hours and hours. Thank u Ubisoft

[potent jackal]

woudl decent be a good way to gain loot for the main game if i'm just starting out?

[river sapphire]

I'd do one of the two easier difficulties of countdown or farm control points and open world content with the targeted loot you'd want

[potent jackal]

i'm level 8 lol on hardcore mode

[river sapphire]

id ask in #td2-hardcore-mode-chat

i personally havent played hardcore mode

[potent jackal]

but in general as a level 8 player,would decent be a good wya to get xp/loot?

[river sapphire]

xp for sure, loot you'd be rolling with rng in terms of the caches

[gloomy pulsar]

So is there any exclusive loot tied to descent, or is it just essentially a fancy named cache?

[timid mauve]

From my experience, there is high chance to drop Exotic cache if reached L15 or above.

[rustic bough]

I would like a front-row seat experience, where by paying NSA credits we get to start at loop 4, starting with a random exotic talent, and a random talent of each core, to bypass the boredom of the first few loops

[twin geyser]

More permanent upgrades is a MUST in this mode and the variety of possible options sholdn't be limited to +10% of smth and that's it

[cyan fox]

A upgrade for bigger chances to getting exotic talents

[ionic plover]

Just the named bps for Bench
Nothing else I believe

[static parrot]

Out of curiosity, how do things like Optimist work with Bullet Hell?

[rustic bough]

Only the first % is applied

[static parrot]

So you still get some benefit from it? just not the increasing amount ?

[rustic bough]

Correct

[static parrot]

tyty

[keen jungle]

What's everyone's highest loop. Hit me up( I'm on ps5) if yall wanna go to high loops if yall don't have atleast 10 or more hrs it prolly won't work

[timid mauve]

L22 solo with 4H44M, I took around hour to eat, poop, and break though

[desert pond]

i got to 25 once and got wiped by rogues sadge

[rustic bough]

Got to loop 23 and extracted cuz too bored XD

[twin geyser]

Loop 32. Got surrounded and blinded by riot shield guy

[uncut gate]

38, rogues took me down. 🤷

[shy vale]

...

uhh? why

[nova comet]

Use the correct channel- this is for talking about descent, LFG posts should be in the LFG channels.

[shy vale]

ah.

so LFG about descent, is not in descent... got it

[sullen granite]

are there any good tips für descent? idk why but i always die early xD maybe i pick "wrong" weapons or so on, idk

[shy vale]

solo I find hard toop

[sullen granite]

ah ok, so my problem is, that i do it solo? 😄

[upper smelt]

https://youtu.be/GKEczHPVYf0

[sullen granite]

ok thx, will look it later

[latent oyster]

Did they really remove the garantued reconstructed chests from the weekly descent project? Do they really expect someone to farm loop 30+ to get all the collectables and blueprints?

[cyan sphinx]

Farm to loop 30 50 times*

[latent oyster]

thats like an afternoon each time... this is even dumber than the summit commendations... even expertise was better since you could do it while playing normally....

[raven lagoon]

you still have a chance at reconst cache from nemesis clear, that hasn't changed. the weekly never guaranteed a reconst cache (or if it did it was broken previously).

[latent oyster]

well, now i got to enjoy serveral hundred nemesis kills.

[raven lagoon]

\o/ let the grind begin

[latent oyster]

yeah, will probably take a few month or i will be tired of that game for a while. Way to repetitive to run more than 2-3 times a day.

[scarlet girder]

Got memed by my nemesis. He threw a Bleed hive that I blew up, but apparantely he throws two. 🙃

[balmy finch]

Don't pick up a stinger next time

[scarlet girder]

I didn't. I had Holographic and Emp sticky

It's why I was so thrown by the fact he threw Stingers at me

[upper smelt]

I'm pretty sure the "nemesis using your skills" thing is an incorrect myth (that I've helped spread)

[balmy finch]

No I've confirmed it

There's only few skills that are copied

[cyan fox]

Speaking of skills
How about everyone spread this
THE incinerator turret quite literally does not work in descent

I can't be the only one that's experienced this

[scarlet girder]

Do Nemesis use holos?

[balmy finch]

I believe so

[balmy finch]

Works for me

[scarlet girder]

Well mine didn't. Threw stingers and EMPs at me

Kinda bs considering I didn't even touch Stingers that run 🙃

[raven lagoon]

can confirm, YES. lol

[cyan fox]

Why do I doubt that
I've used the turret 5 times in descent
Everytime I put it down it literally does not spray fire on anything

[balmy finch]

I've used it to camp doors

[cyan fox]

I've put it on doors and it does nothing

[balmy finch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Never failed for me lol

[scarlet girder]

If the Nemesis runs Stingers, has he thrown more than 1 at you before?

[raven lagoon]

how long after the first one did he throw a second one? cause it seems nemesis has this fun ability to just say fuck it to any skill cooldowns, lol.

[twin geyser]

You remember the joke about Nemesis being the copy of you? Which should mean - the same HP / ARMOR, the same weapons, skills etc.?

[scarlet girder]

I'm guessing instant. Cause I popped a Stinger that landed beside me, then as I reloaded, a second stinger hit me

[upper smelt]

Like worse than the useless incinerator turret in the base game?

[cyan fox]

I mean it literally does function the times I've used it

It just stays there and doesn't spray anything

[upper smelt]

Don't you need to manually activate it?

[twin geyser]

you should manually activate it (with the button) and the same to stop

[cyan fox]

Wait you need to activate it manually
Isn't it just put it down in its line of sight and it just sprays enemies

[upper smelt]

No because it's trash lol

[cyan fox]

If that's the case tells u how much I used it in the base game

[upper smelt]

It also has a range shorter than a shotgun

[cyan fox]

That's an ass mechanic tbh
Thought i just put it down and it did it's thing

[twin geyser]

what's better - in Div1 the flame turrer was 360 and auto-attack. Div2 turret and seeker mines are just useless jokes in comparison to their superior versions in div1

[cyan fox]

I agree seekers and the flame turret were better but div 2 seekers are pretty good with HW

[twin geyser]

I talk not about damage, but enemy tracking

[cyan fox]

The enemies move a slight bit and they miss

[twin geyser]

In div1 they were following enemies, in div2 - they explode in the position where the enemy was in the moment of deploying. And if enemies run away (and they often do this) your seekers just explode in the empty space

ammo box, reviver launcher.... where are these beauties in div2, when we need them? 🥹

[cyan fox]

Can I get my survivor link back pls

[dusty mulch]

anyone wanna squad up?

[grizzled briar]

i went to nemisis with no skill . but he had sticky and hive

[raven lagoon]

yeah, their skills just vary it seems. I keep getting them with shock traps, haha.

[grizzled briar]

still better than 2 sniper turret same time

[maiden canyon]

That's why jammer is so beautiful

But alas. You ran with no skills

[grizzled briar]

i think it was fixed

[maiden canyon]

I feel like jammer is mandatory for every group play

Because hunters are hunters and they spam skills

[grizzled briar]

i played loop 31 and i was unlucky to get blue shotgun
,i like decoy or turret or foam, nemisis is not hard to kill

[timid mauve]

Nemesis not the worst thing in descent, it relatively easy in solo since only have to deal with one enemy. Also I believe they copy same type of our skill, so if you use revive hive, they probably use stinger, which make you use shield/holo/firefly to be less lethal. Shotty with special ammo and opportunistic could be come in handy.

[torpid kernel]

Managed to get to Loop 9 before Nemesis, had real crud roles/luck but slugged through it with the hopes things would improved
Even dealt with a 2 Wave Black Tusk loop with mostly the starting pistol
Luck improved a bit towards the end
Was looking forward to Nemesis, weekly etc and beyond
Second room of Loop 9, run in, see an explosive gas can, back up to shoot it (because they hurt a lot and often get blown up as im running by under fire) ... aaand I've stepped out of the room, door closes and i can't get back in
Game over

...so yah...dont step out of the room after stepping in

[raven lagoon]

ya, that's a big no no

[median minnow]

was exploit patched?

[desert pond]

hold on what

i dod that once and it TPd me back into the room

[grizzled briar]

i got TP as well

[obtuse flint]

I was not teleported. Just stuck in the door and died eventually from ads

[obtuse flint]

So, I don’t take any skills besides reviver hive and decoy. So far it’s been stinger hive 10% of the time and restorer hive the remaining 90% of the time

[rustic bough]

Pro tip: you can shoot the barrel before opening the door. First shoot the door while aiming at the barrel then shoot again and pray the bullet passes through the same hole

[upper smelt]

From what I've seen that bug will happen at the NSA, but at tunnel you'll be teleported

[obtuse flint]

Even better, go through the door, run further away, turn around and then shoot the barrels 😂

[raven lagoon]

even better just run in and shoot the tank while holding it cause you ain't no wimp, you can take it, I'm not crying, you're crying!

[river sapphire]

anyone else have "no items available in the shop" when looking at permanent descent currency vendor?

yesterday i had about 6 options to buy stuff still

[wise granite]

Bruh, descent needs a quick retry button fr

that just something besides nemesis

[desert pond]

the most infuriating thing is the goddamn animations at the start

istg it takes like a minute to get a gun and start running

[river sapphire]

needs a skip cutscene after first time completion

purple guns

caches in perm vendor

a lot

[desert pond]

what i need is a "skip the first 10 loops and nenesis" feature

because thats just the boring part for me tbh

[river sapphire]

need more nemesis encounters after first time too, every 8 loops as a standard would be cool

or make boss rooms have more waves and or drop loot/caches you can collect

its new too though so im sure they'll add something after playing it themselves

[wise granite]

not just nemesis. it should have some sort of hidden boss you can access through hidden doors in the in-between arena spaces, stuff you can do. Not to mention, gearset talents

[river sapphire]

yeah i agree, they could use the same arena as nemesis to save resources as well but i see what you mean about more stuff, imo it seems pretty barebones but nonetheless took tons of work and hours to make, im still playing it regardless 😂

cant believe they didnt think about some things though

like caches in the permanent vendor seemed so simple to me 💀

[desert pond]

^^^^^^

so i can actually spend the 1k points i have

[obtuse flint]

This happened to me before. I had to fast travel and come back and it showed the items again.

[scarlet girder]

Wouldn't even mind if they let you buy the named items blueprints, but for absurd NSA tech costs

[river sapphire]

That's my point, its one thing to at least add anything like that and the thing is they can make it worth anything they want and chose not to do anything for it at all is just like how could you not do it

It's a permanent gamemode afterall, its not like in development it was an activity that would pop up once a month, and instead they thought an inconsistent ass reconstruction cache drop, in a simple lootpool with other things, would do the trick with a collectible and armpatch for longterm longevity 💀

I hope they listen to community feedback on the mode and make it really good the potential is there, can be the best endgame activity and you wouldn't even have your normal gear. Make exclusive cosmetics for certain loop number requirements beyond an armpatch for sweats like cool weapon skins and or more commendations and make highly suggested adjustments to the gamemode and they gonna be straight

With that being said though I think we wont see any major updates to the gamemode until like march of next year, they should focus on bugs and quality of life stuff and focus on what they have already since there seems to be tons of game instability

I'd much rather them focus a future season around descent with major updates and improvements than small additions and features every 3-6 months with not as much feedback or thought behind it

All im saying with the new additions and features is that they should've put more thought process into the longevity and replayability of the content compared to other activities, because majority community feedback would agree with that in terms of rewards from the vendor, weapons, bugs and maintence turning players away, and etc. Even though its a repeat kill waves and defeat boss, its probably their best and original iteration they could've came up with, and should've capitialized on it more with players time investment with rewards specifically

[balmy finch]

It's also impossible to make the mode have checkpoints

[river sapphire]

Checkpoints aren't a problem for me, since they advertised it as a mode to see who can last the longest, and you'll always have leaderboards for any run you personally get that's really high loop to show for it so that's cool, joining back on a disconnect or crash has to be an eventual feature for sure though

Also checkpoints are a stupid idea and should never be a thing, a youtuber mentioned a save and return feature however that is different from a checkpoint and seems plausible to add, i would purpose only after you complete the nemesis.

Always workarounds too, for example if that is too much data to store for talents, stats, and etc per player then they could increase the save and return features loop requirement to 20 for example, making it to where less players hit that point but yeah

[balmy finch]

Save and return still wouldn't work

Because of groups

[river sapphire]

Yeah in the YouTube video I referenced it mentioned it wouldnt work for groups, and it would actually give more incentive to add the feature, everyone can play solo, not everyone can play in a group.

If I was playing in a group I wouldn’t want there to be a checkpoint or save and return anyways, coordination and waiting for someone else sounds awful, would rather compete with my friend for the best loop/time in a solo run

The feature is mainly suggested for longevity of higher loops for leaderboards right now or budget on time specifically, but in the future I’d imagine the permanent currency being more useful and rewards getting better could add more incentive

[timid mauve]

Kinda disappointed that energized can't overcharged tier 6 revive hive

[visual solstice]

is there plans to give us something to spend the NSA credits on once you have bought everything at the vendor, dont want the NSA credit to go the same way as the textiles or apparel cache keys that I have

[river sapphire]

Not to my knowledge, it seems to be a pretty common suggestion so I'm sure anyone at ubisoft or massive will get the memo or play the gamemode for a prolonged amount of time themselves and make changes, I make suggestions in the ubisoft discord, good place to go for that stuff

[visual solstice]

the 4 standard boxes that are available for countdown and every GE would be an easy addition, named, optimization year 5 season and exotic caches, although the exotic one would be the one that everyone went for. It would make the 4 hours plus more beneficial given the lack of gear that drops in the game mode.

[river sapphire]

I completely agree

[balmy finch]

reconstructed caches

[ionic plover]

People already have 5000 + nsa points
They will literally start complaining the second day unless they make them like 2k per cache

[balmy finch]

Lmfao

[shrewd flame]

Well that was annoying

an amazing run ruined by a crash

[ionic plover]

Always restart your game before descent

[shrewd flame]

Breathe Free is definitely one of the best exotic talents in descent bar none

pair it with a shotgun and you're basically unstoppable

[odd nexus]

Breathe free with rifles mmrs and shotguns is absolutely bonkers

[desert pond]

it does its job woth LMGs aswell

[balmy finch]

breathe free is useless late descent

[pine siren]

...loads more damage per shot is useless?

[balmy finch]

when you have to stay behind cover yeah

[pine siren]

I miss the part in breathe free where it makes you stay in cover? (Or where staying in cover isn't a hugely useful part of the gameplay anyway)

[ionic river]

you can still get breath free stack while in cover

[pine siren]

nobody's disputing that

[ionic river]

made it sound like staying in cover made it useless

[balmy finch]

too slow

[pine siren]

nah, if you keep shuffling while using a single-shot weapon like an m870 you can maintain stacks pretty easily

and cover to cover will build them at 'sprint' speed

[balmy finch]

its hard to cover to cover and not die at late floors

[grizzled briar]

what loop u are talking?

[balmy finch]

like 30+

[grizzled briar]

i never was that high my last loop was 31 and was good ,i had bloodsuker was helping me to run and keep the breathe free active

[balmy finch]

yeah you get like one-tapped by red snipers

[grizzled briar]

did u had low armor?

[balmy finch]

300%

[obtuse flint]

Leadership solved that for me. I just didn’t peek unless I had my bonus armor up. But I also don’t use breathe free more of a plague guy

[balmy finch]

had max leadership max vanguard max protector

max ad rush

[grizzled briar]

i had 450% armor on loop31

[balmy finch]

i went more damage

[obtuse flint]

Went to check, I had 210% armor when I died on loop 35. But it could also be that group scaling is different

[balmy finch]

was a group of 2

[obtuse flint]

I’m so curious to try a group of 2. I really do imagine that’s a sweet spot.

But I think the scaling is still different right where the multiple waves start faster than they do on solo

[balmy finch]

not really

[obtuse flint]

It’s loop 6 for 2 waves solo and loop 4 for group?

[balmy finch]

something like that

theres also a difference for 3 i just dont know what it is

[obtuse flint]

17 for solo

[balmy finch]

probably 15 for group

wait no its not

idfk

[rustic bough]

11 for group

[obtuse flint]

Woah

[rustic bough]

It's funny though, we were in loop 4 so there were 2 waves, my partner had to leave so that leaves me alone in the simulation, I fought 2 waves in every room for the entire loop, and on the next loop it went back to a single wave.

[desert pond]

maybe it recognised him as afk

would be a good mechanic to stop trolls in matchmaking if true

[hidden idol]

it does not, it is 4 stacks from what I tested

however you seem to be able to get better information since you are on PC, so take mine with a grain of salt

[balmy finch]

That is sprint speed?

[hidden idol]

it is 8 stacks when running, no?

unless PC breathe free is different

because from what I remember, it is 4 stacks when walking and 8 when running.
Cover to Cover does 4 stacks per second, or while you do that little "jiggle" on cover to keep moving and getting a few stacks

[balmy finch]

coulda sworn it was 4/2 not 8/4

[desert pond]

4 8

100%

[balmy finch]

yeah just checked mb

[hidden idol]

its ok

Btw, it seems yellow enemies appear only after loop 15 (starting from 16+)

Managed to complete one room, but then I died due to rushers from cleaners (they stunlocked me and big boi still was alive)

[cyan fox]

Yes
I'll also Spawn heavies soon after

[hidden idol]

no, it spawns heavies at the same time

and it seems to have a heavy every room at every wave

did 2 rooms, a heavy back to back

[cyan fox]

Rikers heavies are a pain

[hidden idol]

tbh Rikers heavies are a pain due to the fact the snipers and others are agressive

otherwise they aren't that much of a pain from my PoV

Cleaners are worse due to the bombing drones (unless you have a jammer)

[cyan fox]

Yea rikers and black tusk can be a pain
Especially if you don't deal with the grenade spam nerd immediately

[hidden idol]

jammer is extremely good at descent from what I experienced

Foam + Jammer, Bait + Jammer or Bait + Foam are my favorites until now

Revive hive just doesn't at all for me, since if I get down I will die anyway

[vague estuary]

The reconstructed caches are the ones that drop blue prints right?

[balmy finch]

yes

[cyan fox]

Yea
But good luck getting them

[vague estuary]

I know. 12% on the nemesis and 49% on loop 31. Maybe I'll wait until they make the rng less trash to mess with it

[balmy finch]

12%? aint no way

[vague estuary]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml#

[balmy finch]

ah

anyways wanna do a descent run lmfao

[desert pond]

xd

[vague estuary]

from my little time with Descent I am going to have to pass.

[balmy finch]

lmao

[cyan fox]

A 12 %chance that feels like it's less than 5%

[desert pond]

its only on nemesis kills

one doesnt do that often

[balmy finch]

most of my runs do that

[desert pond]

yes but how often do you really kill him

you do that once every 3h

[balmy finch]

like, 50 minutes average

no more than 55

[rustic bough]

Rikers heavy can be the easiest if you take 2 shots to kill - 1 to break the shield glass, another with a headshot kill

[balmy finch]

idk what happened but snipers became outright useless late-loops

[rustic bough]

Headhunter talent when

[balmy finch]

headhunter talent would break descent and you know it

[rustic bough]

Yup

[balmy finch]

lol

[balmy finch]

i just finished a run in 44

[hidden idol]

I want to play Division 2 on pc, but my only option would be through Geforce Now, and I can't pay the subscription yet. I wanna get a costume for halloween

[balmy finch]

ok

not sure what that has to do with descent

lol

[timid mauve]

How long have it takes? 😱

[balmy finch]

wdym

[balmy finch]

?

[timid mauve]

@balmy finch What is the time to reach L44?

[balmy finch]

no i meant 44 minute nemesis kill xD

[timid mauve]

Oh my bad lol

[mild ridge]

anyone discovered any way to deal with enemies stuck in walls on descent? thought id ask again wiht the off chance anyones discovered anything new

[balmy finch]

Wiping

[mild ridge]

lol ya unfortuantly that still seems liek the only way

[cyan fox]

Beat nemesis by just doing easy rooms
Not a single reconstructed cache🙃

[ionic plover]

You aren't getting re-cons cache beating nemesis unless you are extremely lucky
I have around 20 runs beating nemesis
Only get exotic cache

[gray harness]

Is there raid talents u can get in desent?

[twin geyser]

That's BS, to be honest. Random blueprint caches with a CHANCE to get blueprint. Is it mobile casino game?

[cyan fox]

The chances themselves are absolutely garbage

[twin geyser]

Indeed

[cyan fox]

And also wtf happened to those caches in the PTS that gave you max roll items

[river sapphire]

Well if they gave you that for your 1-3 hours of work that would just make way too much sense for them

But hey dont worry play 2 games of countdown that last 30 minutes total and get an exotic cache instead, make it make sense 😂

[gray harness]

The countdown timer is actually acurate

[balmy finch]

??? wdym lol

[gray harness]

I thought that timer was in game minutes not IRL mins

[raven lagoon]

o_O isn't every in-game minute like 3-4 seconds? so that'd make a match of countdown like 60 IRL seconds long. lol

u better be the damn flash

[balmy finch]

5 day 3 night

[raven lagoon]

that's right, darn variable minutes. lol

i understand why tho

[balmy finch]

i always wondered why it felt night went so quick and day dragged on so long

[balmy finch]

we all know its only for the hunter spawns xD

[open cape]

it must aways be the summer solstice

[balmy finch]

Lol

[lucid lark]

so nemesis will come with stinger and restorer hive if you run no damage skills

[maiden canyon]

The nemesis will mirror everything about your build

Weapons and skills

If you choose a skill say a riot foam the nemesis will have any variant of the skill you chose which was the chem launcher

[lucid lark]

I had reviver hive and holographic clone

[maiden canyon]

Had the same thing happen to me when i used reviver hive and riot foam

Nemesis had restorer hive and reinforcer chem

[maiden canyon]

Yep and the hunter chose the stinger and restorer variant

[lucid lark]

interesting

[maiden canyon]

Had my nemesis choose oxidiser when i had riot foam 😔

[lucid lark]

the good thing is that holo fools it

but i’m guessing if it doesn’t have any combat skills it looks for any damage variants

[hidden idol]

Does anyone know if you reach nemesis with only a pistol, will he use a main gun (Shotgun, AR, etc), or a pistol too?

[lucid lark]

he uses whatever guns you have

[hidden idol]

it gets any skill it can copy, those that he can't will get randomly selected from what I saw, with some exceptions

[maiden canyon]

Probably random weapon since if you run no skills even they randomly have skills too

[lucid lark]

ah so just run rev hive and holo

because it has like skill tier 6 lmao

[hidden idol]

yeah, rev hive is one of these exceptions, it turns into a restorer

holo is randomly selected

[lucid lark]

really?

[hidden idol]

so he could have a bleed hive, etc

[maiden canyon]

And demolisher fly would turn into blinder fly

[lucid lark]

yeah that’s what happened

acs 12 is good to have

[maiden canyon]

It's basically any skill that the hunter CAN use against you

[hidden idol]

I mean, skip guns selection, only pistol*

probably the same as skills

[lucid lark]

when i went against nemesis

he only used the acs 12 that i had

[maiden canyon]

Thing is. Does the same thing happen in group play?

[hidden idol]

probably

[lucid lark]

protected reload came in clutch for me tho lol

i do believe that nemesis follows rogue agent behavior but that’s just me

[hidden idol]

it's hunter like

Atleast I think.
Rogues are less agressive than Hunters, no?

[maiden canyon]

They have rogue agents models but hunter ai

[maiden canyon]

Their signature axe melee is a dead giveaway

[hidden idol]

oh right, didn't get melee killed yet

[maiden canyon]

They can melee decoys if you throw them close enough lol

[lucid lark]

i guess they have hunter ai because of yk emp smoke

and skill tier 6 damage

i dont think nemesis takes talents

[rustic bough]

Imagine if they did

And you dying from Plague of the Outcasts 💀

[lucid lark]

yea lol

[balmy finch]

Hunter and rogues have a very similar ai behaviour

Hunters are just more aggressive

[ionic plover]

Gotta love launching nemesis and they don't spawn - happen to anyone else?

[balmy finch]

No?

Never even heard of that happening

[lucid lark]

that’s strange

[ionic plover]

Working as intended lol

[balmy finch]

Did like the timer go and everything?

Because you're like the first person to ever experience this lol

[ionic plover]

Yep - hit the initialize button - counter went to zero and nothing - just had the message - waiting on everyone to group up

[balmy finch]

Did someone leave the group

Or crash during this

[ionic plover]

Nope - like to consider myself an overachiever

[balmy finch]

Was this solo

[ionic plover]

Duo

Bro hit the button - counter started - we pushed down left side and took high ground - timer hit 0 and nothing

[lucid lark]

allegro is so fun in this mode

[lucid lark]

when you get really late into descent you just shred everything

got my first rogue encounters, wow

[obtuse flint]

Exciting isn’t it 😂 nothing gets me stressed out in descent like a rogue encounter

[lucid lark]

well right now

its a wash lol

allegro acs really goes crazy

with extra and lucky mag

[vague estuary]

What loop did they show up?

[lucid lark]

uhh iirc 16-17

[vague estuary]

Has anyone compiled a list of the bluebrints you unlock from the caches yet?

[ionic plover]

0 blueprints obtained for me

[obtuse flint]

Oh don’t worry by loop 26 they’ll start making you sweat. If you’re going for leaderboards, you can avoid rogues by sticking to medium rooms until loop 25

[lucid lark]

i got bored quick so i just ended

[obtuse flint]

Tragic but fair. It doesn’t get dicey until 25 and then stressful after 30. I do think that there’s a lot of dead space in between and the same thing happened to me on my last run. I wanted to go to 40 but I was so over it at loop 24. Too much time spent

[vague estuary]

If only you could save your progress and come back later

[lucid lark]

yea

[desert pond]

if 30 is stressful then what the hell is 60?

i cant imagine difficulty scaling ends at 30 so the top 1 dude must've been sweating his ass off for that spot

[obtuse flint]

I couldn’t tell you 😂 35 is still my highest and it was sweaty AF. I would love to run again if I could save progress. I would probably be playing descent all the time and then doing chores/schoolwork every 5-10 loops

[lucid lark]

protective reload is actually pretty clutch at tier 6+

[hidden idol]

protective reload seems to be able to save you when dealing with Fire and other status effects

[balmy finch]

I got mop and mechanical animal

[drowsy delta]

Does descent have good rewards? Not sure if I should do it or not

[odd nexus]

The reward for me is creating unique builds

XP gains aren't too bad either

[drowsy delta]

Mode looks fun I’ll give it a try later I got burnt out on summit and have yet to do countdown because I don’t really know what to do

[balmy finch]

In terms of loot you get close to nothing

[odd nexus]

If not knowing what to do is a concern you'll be just fine

After 1 or 2 you get the gist

[drowsy delta]

Thanks I heard it’s a pretty good place for loot I want that poison exotic shotgun I forget the name

[balmy finch]

Countdown has a significantly higher chance of getting it

[shrewd flame]

and died to nemesis again

didn't even have the chance to use special ammo

3 man group, was so close plenty of times

at least I got a ton of nsa tech out of that

[ionic plover]

Ask group at start to not get armor tiers and offensive skills
Only keep riot foam , rev , jammer , holo
When 3 players take armor , skill tiers at every loop
Yeah you won't be able to do anything

[shrewd flame]

Aye

What about solo?

Does anything change with that?

Really, the core of descent is that your choices will eventually be turned against you

So might be best to hamper yourself in some manner

[flint breach]

The easiest way is to do all the easy rooms first and don’t take damaging skills you will reach nemesis on loop 5 as the difficulty of the nemesis is based on the loop you encounter them on

[shrewd flame]

Steady Handed seems to be a bit of a staple

I've been picking it up every run too and it's just nice to turn your gun into a laser

[shrewd flame]

Gotcha

[pine siren]

Trauma really helps give you an opening to pump a load of damage into them

[ionic plover]

Solo is way easier since only 1 nemesis spawns
Build doesn't really matter there
Whatever you feel comfortable with

You can even pick all armor cores and still do enough damage with some decent talents

[shrewd flame]

Aight

[ornate burrow]

hi, newbie here. So when you say dont take damaging skills, is it to prevent the nemesis from copying it for the final fight?

[mild ridge]

anyone have any tips for beating or even better avoiding rogue agents 🙂 we get up to level 25 no problem and then cant even get a shot off before their skills take us all down

[desert pond]

i honestly dont think its needed or even worth it

with leadership, preservation, adrenaline and clutch you have more than enough

especially leadership man, just a free 200% shield every 10s

[rustic bough]

19

[random pulsar]

Has anyone seen or tested how the blind justice exotic interacts with bullet hell/steady handed/chatterbox
Does that 100% weapon damage stay active if the magazine is refilled?

[twin geyser]

Which mobs drop in 1-2 bullets at high loops 💀

[cyan fox]

Shield doesn't work well whatsoever
In higher loops

Almost like they put no thought in how some skills scaled with higher loops

[twin geyser]

After they added shield disorient in PvE, because of PvP clowns, I rarely touch it

[cyan fox]

That's hardly it's main issue in descent
You can spec fully into making a good shield and they'll be drop it with like 2 bullets

Even the big ass shield

[twin geyser]

There is only one thing, which can help, but it'll never happen - they must play it themselves

And only after 7+ hours stream being one-tapped, there is a tiny possibility, that some changes will be made

[timid mauve]

The game mode gave many abilities for bonus armor and healing, which make shield to be redundant.

[desert pond]

its not enough once you go past 30

[uncut gate]

T10 Vanguard. 😁

[cyan fox]

I tried going for vanguard and protector as high as I could in a team once

[shrewd flame]

Yep

[flint breach]

Yes

[ionic plover]

Correct

[spiral haven]

did descent always bug when someone left before enter the stage?

[ionic plover]

Not always but there are multiple bugs that happen with someone leaving
Can bug at start , opening doors or at the end when people rage quit

[open brook]

anyone know how to kill an enemy behind a wall?

[raven lagoon]

oxidizer is one way

[open brook]

dnt got it

[raven lagoon]

but in descent, if u don't got it....u can wait (i had a dude say he had to wait like 5-10 minutes for a stuck npc to finally reopen and leave doors)

or just reset if not too far into run (not preferred choice ofcourse, last resort)

[open brook]

this one walked straight through the wall near the end

doors were already opened and then closed

[raven lagoon]

oof

[balmy finch]

@upper smelt i went all easiest through the whole entire descent and ended at 92, fuck are you doing to get more than that

[raven lagoon]

credits?

[drowsy delta]

Why did ISACs voice sound “non robotic” in the pts of descent

[silver junco]

hi anyone can tell me how exactly will the difficulty increase after beating the nemesis?

[balmy finch]

Raucey said you can get to nemesis by loop 5

[silver junco]

will the nemesis be replaced by randomly spawned rogue agents?

oh looks like reconstructed caches drop randomly so i guess i don't have to try to reach crazy high loops

[raven lagoon]

yeah, percentage drop on nemesis clear is easiest way

[silver junco]

do they drop comms too? cuz it would be painful if it takes 16 weeks to collect all the recordings on one toon

[raven lagoon]

every easy room is 6% right? so you'd need 17 rooms all easy to reach nem? isn't it like 3-4 rooms (not including arenas) per loop? MAYBE

[drowsy delta]

What happens at the end of a loop again?

[raven lagoon]

you do an arena, then move to next loop (earn exotic talents/cores)

then you enter the room to pick weapon/skill, upgrades, ammo/armor/etc. then continue the new loop

[odd nexus]

How often are you supposed to get exotic talents

Cuz one time I got a 2nd on 2nd loop

And just now I got done in at loop 6 but still no 2nd exo talent

[raven lagoon]

it's rng, cause ya. I've been there before too and gotten a 2ns talent on loop 2 as well.

[grizzled briar]

RANDOM BOSS at loop 5 is giving me 29 NSA

[raven lagoon]

that's why I was confused, if they were talking about credits or what. cause usually after a nem run I have close to 125-150 credits

depending on how many boss rooms appear

[grizzled briar]

if u do all easy room the chance to get random boss is low

i had only 1 time ,3 random boss at one loop

[raven lagoon]

most I've gotten at once (not in a loop but at once) was 2 boss rooms.

didn't even know that was possible. 1 easy room, and 2 bosses, lol.

[odd nexus]

Still haven't beaten nem yet

💀

[raven lagoon]

😢

[odd nexus]

Every time I get close to even getting to the encounter it gives me some absolute bs

And the one time I did get to it

I got dropped in 2-3 shots

[grizzled briar]

try to get trumba (do headshot make him blind) and cluch( crit damage =armor repair ) and that talent headshot from cover repair armor , or the other one to get armor for killing , these can help

use nade , decoy , foam or anything u have to stop him to shoot u

[raven lagoon]

not correcting you H3LLBLLADE, just clarifying. Trauma, clutch, believe you're talking about entrench, this one is preservation (just so they also have the names for reference)

[grizzled briar]

Yes thank you

With m60 and chatter and trauma m60 had like 1100 rpm
I managed to kill nemi so fast

[raven lagoon]

omg dude, I had an LMG with like 4 tiers of allegro, with plague and chatter, trauma as well ofc, and was fully stacked on red cores. that nem died in like 8 seconds it was so hilariously dumb.

trauma is amazing for nem

[odd nexus]

It never would've occured to me that trauma would be useful

[grizzled briar]

If u managed to get high rpm with chatter then bullet hell it's so nice

[raven lagoon]

stacking it is eh,until u hit like tier 6? 8? then the cooldown is shorter than the duration and it pays off for pretty much stun locking something at that point IIRC. (I haven't stacked it like that yet, just making observation)

[grizzled briar]

I invest more on lucky shot

[raven lagoon]

yeah, I haven't stacked many yellow talents (outside of like braced or optimized) and running like 1 tier of trauma...

it's most red talents, and a few preservations stacked for survivability

[grizzled briar]

Lucky shot and chatter is like infinity ammo

[hexed dome]

I was reading a post the other day if you fully stach Chatter, then get Bullet Hell while at max Chatter stacks, you keep the RoF forever

[grizzled briar]

With high tier braced optimized and steady hand shotgun u can have unhinged tier10