lore-discussion

[unkempt sleet]

Maybe? I don't know, i just said it as a possibility since he's the only kid that doesn't have a missing poster ingame

[versed yacht]

Ohh

[unkempt sleet]

not lore, not related to the current subject

[ripe berry]

Cool #fanart mate!

[unkempt sleet]

no it doesnt

And we're discussing a whole another subject unrelated

[ripe berry]

probably Aaron Peterson lol

[unkempt sleet]

If that was the case, wouldn't it be easier to just slap one of the kids posters into Ivan's spot

[unkempt sleet]

itd be a double in the texture itself, but it'd make no difference ingame if the mesh they put ingame uses random posters from the texture

[versed yacht]

I suppose yeah

[unkempt sleet]

feels weird to just make a whole new missing poster

with a new silhoutte and shade of color background

for that purpose

[lucid pumice]

Gregory.

[limber ridge]

Probably became messed up by all that happened to him.
Maybe there's some end goal to it too ion know.

[unkempt sleet]

Anyway, my theory is that It's supposed to represent whoever is the Guest (Franklin in this case possibly)

[limber ridge]

But does it match with Franklin

[versed yacht]

I don't think it would realistically be Franklin due to the fact HNVR is like HN2 Alpha Era

[shut elm]

all i know about hello neighbor lore is "theodore peterson had a car crash and his wife died, his son aaron accidentally pushed his daughter mya off the roof of the house and then peterson locked aaron in the basement"

[unkempt sleet]

Wouldn't that make HNVR more confusing since Guest was either the representation of the storm or Theodore himself during that era

why is the representation of storm helping aaron escape and save his friends

[shut elm]

i don't know anything else

[unkempt sleet]

even metaphorically whats the purpose it serves

[ripe berry]

if we're gonna label the HNVR Guest as during an era it'd be Alpha 2-Beta Era Guest

[versed yacht]

I mean the Guest even then represented more than just the storm

I still believe it represents a mindset that is essentially "passed down" from Theodore to Aaron

[ripe berry]

aka whatever the Guest is in HNVR would be whatever it was during that point of the development timeline

[shut elm]

is anyone able to explain the lore of hello neighbor i'm so lost

[unkempt sleet]

I don't think it would still make sense considering even if it's Theodore in a "mindset" it still helps Aaron escape the basement and free up the Rescue Squad

I don't think Theodore has a split personality

[ripe berry]

now's your chance to deploy your Games-Only Timeline Apple

[unkempt sleet]

My Games Only Timeline is oooutdated

with supernatural guest

and no hn3

[ripe berry]

Still better then nothing lol

[unkempt sleet]

fair

[unkempt sleet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U1fS1FXlaXSx5koL46CniMBRaxmw92qJnR5s60Iu6PA/edit?usp=sharing

[shut elm]

thank you

[ripe berry]

also the Books and the Animated Series are separate timelines from the Games

[versed yacht]

It's hard to explain exactly what I mean but

I think the Guest itself represents a mindset that both Theodore and Aaron share, except the key difference is Aaron is using it to his advantage while Theodore is afraid of it

Maybe mindset isn't the right word. Aaron accepts it while Theodore runs from it until he's cornered by grief and gives in

[eager island]

i think its like after the GuestStorm era and before the final hn2 era

[shut elm]

so the events of welcome to raven brooks aren't canon to the hello neighbor games is what you're saying

[versed yacht]

I really should write down lore stuff

[unkempt sleet]

sounds weird

[tiny verge]

correction
A BIG CHUNK of it is based on the Alpha storyline

but it ISN'T 1:1 since obviously they'd have to change things

[versed yacht]

Oh wait the lore video 😭

I forgot about that I didn't think S3 would take this long

[ripe berry]

yeah, it's a bit more complicated then that but this is an easy way to explain it

[versed yacht]

True yeah

[unkempt sleet]

lore video has been remembered...

[tiny verge]

stuff like the Guest World..? yeah that's a leftover
but that's really all they are, leftovers that got repurposed into something new since the VR game released after the story of HN2 was changing

it probably began development during the alphas, but it certainly did not release when the alphas were being made

[versed yacht]

We desperately need a good video that goes in depth into stuff beyond just the surface level information

[unkempt sleet]

Honestly i know HNVR would have like outdated stuff, but my mindset on it is still taking it as canon with all of the games, i don't think it presents too out there lore from the current stuff if you take stuff like Guest turning into a crow as metaphorical

[ripe berry]

lol

[ripe berry]

yeah, even if it's outdated it's still canon

[tiny verge]

I mean the Guest turning into a crow happens in the Guest World (the Outskirts) so it's pretty much not something he can literally do I don't think

[ripe berry]

just like how HN1 is outdated but IT'S still canon

[unkempt sleet]

yea

[tiny verge]

also again the VR game repurposes the leftovers for the newer lore

[ripe berry]

just because the story changed doesn't invalidate everything that came before

[unkempt sleet]

though HN1 would be a special case considering its like the foundation for almost all of the timeline

[tiny verge]

it also doesn't have alot that you can retcon either

at most all they did change was the Thing being a hallucination in WTRB

[ripe berry]

or like-
Secret Neighbor
just because the context of the Hurricane changed doesn't mean Secret Neighbor doesn't happen

[unkempt sleet]

true true

[tiny verge]

I don't look into Secret Neighbor

so I'm not sure what that does

[ripe berry]

there's posters Out of Bounds warning of Hurricane approaching Raven Brooks

in old Hello Neighbor 2 Lore this event occurs around the time of Act 2
in Current Hello Neighbor 2 Lore this event still occurs, just after the base game of HN2

[tiny verge]

oh

[ripe berry]

(it was the lore explanation for HN2's Original Artstyle)

[tiny verge]

honestly HN2 Act 2 getting scrapped sucked, I hope after WTRB ends and HN3 releases they can tell us what all they had planned for it

same with the Yellow Press storyline

it'd be nice to just let fans do it once it no longer has any affect on what they're currently doing

[eager island]

it actually still occurs in the context of hn3 too

1996 has a leap day

just a weaker storm

[ripe berry]

oh yeah lol
Leap Day Theory works with that too

[wanton roost]

Amazing

[wanton roost]

What is leap day btw I keep seeing ppl talk ab it and idk what it means

[eager island]

february 29

[wanton roost]

Ohh

[ripe berry]

basically the Theory is that the Festival only occurs on Feb 29th
and the lack of it starting in ~1980-1984 causes a storm that progressively gets worse every time that date hit

leading to the one in HN3

[eager island]

its about storm actually

storms was happening only on leap days
and townspeople set the festival to counter/prevent the storm

[ripe berry]

aka the Festival only occurs every four years or so

[ripe berry]

same end result regardless of which comes first

[ripe berry]

when do you think the Festival starts in RB's History?

[eager island]

late 1800s i would say

it should be like

• town founded
• weather station founded to research storms in area
• weather station dissapearances
• the pact with the guest & the festivals starts
• weather station stops functioning
• GA is trying its hand at a different sector, such as cinematograph

mayak disappearings might have been the last one too

[ripe berry]

looking at the graph on the Google NGram Viewer the Cinematopgraph could've been made from the ~1910-1950

so that's our hard deadline (1950)

[eager island]

aint the name cinematograph is common in like very late 1800s - 1920s

and then its a outdated name

[ripe berry]

Google NGram viewer says it was popular from 1910-1950

with a dip during WW2

in-fact it was seemingly most popularly used just before WW2

[eager island]

actually it makes sense, if the figure isnt that old, its normal for the townspeople to abandon it easily

[ripe berry]

to better show this I changed the graph settings to 1890-1990

[ripe berry]

yeah
this makes it at minimum a ~20 year old tradition when it was abandoned

[ripe berry]

This would mean the Festival can start sometime from ~1908 to ~1960 under Leap Year Theory (assuming anything below the dip during WW2 is the cutoff point)

[silver vine]

hi

[ripe berry]

hey

[eager island]

seems accurate

[ripe berry]

a 1950s date would work best with pre-existing lore (in WtRB the Mayak existed and was abandoned by ~1957, but was still active when Theodore was a young kid in the Books (so ~1943-195X)), but anytime between those dates is possible if we ignore outside materials

[ripe berry]

(Imma personally go with 1952 for now, but that's just because I want to try to let as much as I can coexist with pre-existing lore, I'm open for any date between those established years)

[eager island]

the problem with this is

why the storms starting to be stronger and stronger after festival

or if they were so weak back then, why did they need protection

[ripe berry]

symbolic thing maybe

[ripe berry]

and nothing about what I'm saying says the storms were necessarily weak back then
I mean the Weather Station had to exist for a reason

[eager island]

no what i mean is about whole festival stopping storm thing rather than what you just said

[ripe berry]

oh lol

[ripe berry]

also, just as a funny little thing
since 1900 is not a Leap Year
1952 is the 13th Leap Year that occurred in the 20th century
just like how 2028 is the 13th Leap Year without a festival (counting 1980)

[ripe berry]

aka assuming the presumed severity of the storms from the 1980-2028 timeframe would apply back then and that 1952 is the correct Festival Starting Date:
The festival is only introduced the year that the storms would've otherwise destroyed Raven Brooks

(then again this assumes the Storms randomly started getting worse in the 1900s instead of starting from the 1800s, which then introduces the question of why the storms only would start getting bad in the 1900s)

[ripe berry]

I'd then place the Cinematograph being made in ~1952-1954

probably 1954

(gotta give time to... y'know, construct it after all)

[eager island]

i think there should be time to GA realize its not functioning anymore

or perhaps time to them trying to keep the business alive

[ripe berry]

so then maybe 1956-1958? the term was still pretty popular then

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

Also aligns with WtRB showing the Mayak closed in ~1957

[ripe berry]

this also means they were only really active for about 25 years before the GAAP
before then they were just the Weather Station

it was always a little odd under the old timeline idea for the Golden Apple Corp why they just didn't seem to do anything at all between ~1910 and ~1980

outside of maybe the Cable Car and Gas Station

like look at your old GAAP timeline
there's just a giant gap in the GAAP's history where not much seemed to be made
#lore-discussion message

however if we have the Mayak in the 1940s
then the Cinema in late 1950s-early 1960s
there's no giant gaps like the former early 1900s-1970s gap in your timeline

sure there's maybe a gap of 1958-late 1970s/early 1980s
but that's small compared to the old gap in the timeline

[eager island]

fair

[ripe berry]

but at the same time
even though the timeline's smaller
it's not unreasonably small
like you could still reasonably have the Golden Apple Corp get the money needed for the GAAP and everything in that timeframe

[stoic juniper]

[marsh idol]

well uh, bendy is canon to hello neighbor

[grand remnant]

Are you talking about the April fools video?

The video released on April fools? As a joke video?

[vagrant igloo]

nope
that was a beta
only full release is canon

[marsh idol]

i guess the joke was also hidden in the basement

i still find it absurd to find out the guest could be, just anyone except Theo at this point

his reveal isnt going to be of any shock, which is why i liked the idea of him actually being a mythical creature

otherwise, if the Guest is an entirely original character, S3 is going to have to make a compelling backstory for him

[novel harness]

It's not a photo, it's a painting

Aaron

Okay you remind me of @alpine crystal

[unkempt sleet]

???

[safe merlin]

Confused too

Anyway man your new pfp was good

[normal yew]

so is there a lore reason for how we went from the neighbor in the second game who just looked angry and sleep deprived to a frankenstein in the third game

[marsh idol]

maybe because hes old

and depressed

and has no actual home

and tired

[normal yew]

so basically the same as in the second game but just... more?

[wicked heath]

Yes.

(and artstyle on top of that)

[shell gull]

They really abandoned the tradition quite quickly.

[marsh idol]

well yea

he basically lost his son

again

he lost everyone

and everything

[late peak]

Yeah

Have you watched the Hello Neighbour series on YouTube?

[marsh idol]

of course

why’d u ask

[late peak]

Just wondering?

[alpine crystal]

I asked the same question before, apparently it's "Aaron"

[unkempt sleet]

Read the message you're replying to

[alpine crystal]

It isn't his.

[alpine crystal]

It is 100% Aaron

[unkempt sleet]

did you read my message

[alpine crystal]

Yes, but Aaron's missing poster can have different varieties

[unkempt sleet]

no? what

[alpine crystal]

I don't know, mate, what's the point of pinging me

[unkempt sleet]

when did we ever see the same person having poster variants in one game

like never

[alpine crystal]

HN1

I am not acknowledged to be a lore master

[alpine crystal]

Okay I definitely misremembered

[limber ridge]

Probably about literal guests in the hotel

And well his name means honest, dependable and reliable i think.
And also his name in the file is "cursed one"

[marsh idol]

mk

[ripe berry]

oh.

[ripe berry]

yeah, but also makes sense
it's a lot easier to abandon a tradition that only lasted for 20 years then for over 100 years

[wanton roost]

Hello guys

[eager island]

so i do think covered was the one who encountered with forest dweller

all the guest figures are drawn in red, and the attachment i just sent shows that red is color of covered

the guest in the figures doesnt have a face like in murals, showing that is forest dweller

also the guests beak is not vertical

[eager island]

and thats also an evidence for coned basing his look after his god

also fits with this

[silver vine]

Ernest

[shell gull]

That makes it more believable.

[shell gull]

I’m confused is the implication here The Guest and forest dweller are separate? Is that based on the concept of The Guest being the urban legend while The Guest we see in game is one imitating it?

[verbal crane]

guys mr pterson hving a brother is canon right

n my theory is that he might be the guest

cus in the cartoon (praying for s3) we see wat happen to him

and obv the people who bully mr peterson as a cchild look similar to the mayor baker n police officer

wit da crow cult i think dey caused the cae accident

car

due to it being stated they do stuff for thr idea of good luck comes to them if somone has bad luck

[eager island]

exactly

[verbal crane]

hn2 and hn3 guest arent the same

oh yea in hn3 keep inmind the forestdweller helps create better weather

[limber ridge]

Not the forest dweller.
The Guest(from the murals and statue)

[verbal crane]

yh the statue mb

i got confused

[alpine crystal]

Yes, everything is canon

[alpine crystal]

The forest dweller is the fake guest
The urban legend guest did.

[limber ridge]

You guys think VR Guest is a real guy with metaphorical actions or a metaphorical being althogether?
Because like VR was based on HN2 Alphas storyline where the Guest was a metaphorical being. But at the same time the Guest helps Aaron get free, which could be marked as a metaphor but then what would it represent?

[safe merlin]

Yeah

Is fake guest

[alpine crystal]

In my theory I believe that Aaron was the VR guest, metaphorically.

I believe Aaron did escaped/freeing the rescue squad on his own.

I could be wrong tho

[silver vine]

VR Guest is clearly a metaphor

[limber ridge]

I mean some parts of him are metaphorical clearly but him being a full metaphor or a guy with metaphorical actions is harder to tell

[unkempt sleet]

second one is more likely

considering there is someone dressed up as Guest during that era

even Nicky in HNVR has knowledge of that considering the drawings in his room

and i still think Aaron can't escape his cell on his own, without an outside force

[ripe berry]

yeah fair

[shell gull]

It would actually make more sense that a new person becomes the successor of the past “Guest” and if we are still basing off things we know from HN2 and hints in the show we could also come to the possibility that it also means a new successor as leader of the cultists.

Thought to be fair isn’t the whole urban legend of The Guest because somebody was dressed up as the golden apples mascot/towns mascot and was seen by people starting the folklore. Unless we think it’s more likely somebody came up with the urban legend and then somebody actually tried to imitate it.

[unkempt sleet]

i think it's more likely that the guest urban legend was there always (since hn3 tiesthe guest festival to the beginnings of the town) and the impersenators (HN2/HNVR Guest and HN3 Guest) and the park mascot came after

forgive me if i read anything wrong, it's hard to see the messages from behind these lines

[ripe berry]

actually I'm not sure if HN3 Guest is even tied to the town founding rn since like-
me and Krpytqn came to a conclusion the festival might've actually only started in the 1950s based off a few theories

[unkempt sleet]

i mean these two images seem to be from the same era and i'd imagine it's most likely tied to the town's founding. since stuff like the raven cult being tied to why the town is called Raven Brooks (from the books) and the cultist statues being buried under ground possibly from ancient times (HN2) i feel like it kinda makes sense all together even if the stuff i mentioned might not be fully canon

it does feel like a concept was there and now it's being actualized with HN3

[shell gull]

Right so the golden apple based their mascot off the town folklore. Which whoever is acting as The Guest at that time would be trying to impersonate the folklore.

[unkempt sleet]

yea that's what i think

[shell gull]

The cult were definitely a major part of the town that I would say started off as the foundation but slowly became more corrupt into the hierarchy which would explain their secrecy and also wearing their costumes.

[eager island]

well it wouldnt makes sense with mayak

[shell gull]

Though the town still did some cult rituals as festivals but eventually died out but came back during HN3

[eager island]

i doubt thats a cult

[unkempt sleet]

How?

[ripe berry]

Kryptqn thinks the festival stopped the storms so Mayak shouldn't exist if the storms were already being stopped since the town's founding

[eager island]

well wouldnt weather station ve founded for researching the strange storms?

if the festival was already a thing which means there is no storms, there is no need for some weather station to research them

[unkempt sleet]

I don't think the Mayak was built alongside the town founding

[ripe berry]

yeah that's exactly the problem

[unkempt sleet]

can't it be like built after the festival was cancelled

[ripe berry]

Cinematograph pins Mayak as existing in the 1950s or earlier

[shell gull]

What I meant was the cult rituals were more openly done in the town before being more corrupted with power by the cult which can go into why the town slowly abandoned their festivals as time passed on.

[ripe berry]

Festival was cancelled for the first time in 1980

[unkempt sleet]

hpw?

[eager island]

the festival cancelled in 80 and abandoned in 84,

and you know they already had few places at that time

[ripe berry]

use of the term

[eager island]

yeah cinematograph is not a common name for cinemas in after mid 1900s

[ripe berry]

it started dying down in the 1950s and 1960s

[unkempt sleet]

how is that tied to mayak

[ripe berry]

and tthe Weather Station has to come before the Cinematograph

[eager island]

mayak is first facility of ga

[ripe berry]

Weather Station is first GA building in RB

[shell gull]

But isn’t Mayak what is stopping the storms and manipulating the weather? Which is why there’s the Mayak storms and such, somebody does the festival and whoever is using Mayak presumably a “Guest impersonator” (Speculation only) would stop the storms.

[ripe berry]

so the cinema being pinned to no later then the 1950s pins the Mayak to the 1950s or earlier

[shell gull]

I might be misinterpreting.

[eager island]

prototype 3 ending does not makes sense with that

if the neighbor is able to use mayak to stop storm there is no need for him destroy statue

[unkempt sleet]

i mean while that makes sense, it doesn't really "pin" cinematography to 50's considering it doesnt have to be used when it was most popular in our world

[ripe berry]

also ain't a 1980-1984 time frame kinda short for the entire GA timeline up to the GAAP?

[eager island]

and if we are going to assume leap day theory, its like super early 1984

makes it 3 year or so

[shell gull]

Wasn’t the whole plot of prototype 3 to please The Guest? Which is why both ending involve either the festival or a sacrifice dedicated to him? I had assumed that The Guest in prototype 3 was the one who had control of Mayak and was using the storms which would tie back to the original concept of HN2 Patch 10 being a Mayak storm that destroyed the town (Not canon and neither is P3 just a connection). That would kinda explain their storms stopping in the festival ending when you put up a guest statue and would be why Ted knocks it over being because it’s a statue of the guest. I haven’t been too deep into the prototypes lores and concepts or the pre alpha so I may be completely wrong here and I’m off.

[unkempt sleet]

I still think there should be an origin with the candy factor with GA, so if i speculate based on nothing i could say they were a candy company up until 80's which when they rebranded they started funding the weather station as their first facilityor something i dunno

[eager island]

it is about please the guest but different the guests

vandals was going to revive festival because they somehow had a connection with forest dweller, but then they realized townspeople was also going to revive festival thanks to iris and the historian and they renamed the festival as ritual

while the townspeople are just reviving a old tradition that is about the "god" guest

vandals titled it as festival and then changed it to ritual after they realize townspeople also was going to do the festival

[shell gull]

Right but then again we don’t know who is using Mayak in prototype 3 either. Also I don’t know if the statue stopping the storms works unless the statue is similar to a luck device. Mayak makes more sense when it’s a building capable of manipulating the weather and causing storms.

[eager island]

i doubt mayak is controlling storm or something

[unkempt sleet]

tbh that has been Mayak's thing, and kinda needs to happen if Mayak explains everything is canon

[eager island]

well also another thing that is contradictory with it is guest in murals are drawn as stopping the storm

[shell gull]

Tbf the cult did do rituals in a building in the books that caused weather effects so the statue could very well do something.

[eager island]

like there should be storms before and then they had the pact with the guest

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think the urban legend has literally happened

[eager island]

my point stands, they should be aware of storms happening

[shell gull]

Also I don’t think 100% a The Guest is seen by the town as a “Deity” though rather a deity at least to the cult since the Town at least modern times favor him as a unwanted visitor kinda like a pest though you could say they are referring to the impersonator rather than the folklore.

[eager island]

i dont know why are you keep pointing out the cult while they didnt event mentioned at once in hn3

the guest's cult and the townspeople believe has different contexts

[ripe berry]

oh yeah SH1MP
Kryptqn thinks nothing from the past games/books except HN1/HNHS exists in HN3's story unless the game itself references them

[unkempt sleet]

well everything is truly not canon under that belief

[ripe berry]

(...or something along those lines... correct me if I'm wrong but that's just how it seems)

[eager island]

pretty much this, this also aligns with this recently confirmed urban legend thingy

[unkempt sleet]

recently confirmed what

[eager island]

the one hn3 dev interview

[shell gull]

Well I don’t think that makes much sense taking in the fact that this game is a lead up after all past events and also the very fact that Coned is trying to start a “ritual” with the vandals and is wearing a cult symbol on his face. He’s very clearly trying to be like a cultist. Also again I refer to them because they’re a central part of the lore and their beliefs are just important towards why things happen in HN3. Since they may see The Guest as some sort of “deity” which the town based off lore kinda reject in GN2.

[eager island]

i would say if there is a evidence for something in hn3 itself, we can use supporting evidence from other medias

[eager island]

the cult symbol in question is just a part of the guests statue

[ripe berry]

and didn't Nikita say the Vandals aren't a cult

[eager island]

he can just be very obsessed with the guest figure rather than the cult you mentioned

[eager island]

this

[shell gull]

Never said they were but are imitating.

[eager island]

also statue was named StatueGod in prototype 1 as far as i remember

[shell gull]

Right but then where did the symbol come from on the statue? It’s still the cults symbol you can’t deny the fact that their presence in the story is still there even if they don’t actually appear in the game.

[ripe berry]

yeah
I remember freaking out over this

[eager island]

what does this mean

[ripe berry]

well yes but also no

because there's also an ear symbol that has no cul ties

[eager island]

youre telling me that the cult was already worshipping it when there was no statue?

[ripe berry]

the symbol predates the cult
if anything it's tthe other way around

the symbol started from the ritual

then tthe cult adopted it

(full image)

[unkempt sleet]

makes sense

[ripe berry]

just like how they adopted the Guest itself as one of their own symbols and in HN2/WtRB the Golden Apple

[shell gull]

No but I’m saying that’s still insinuating to the cult. Coned isn’t a cultists but he’s still imitating the cult even if he doesn’t 100% know that. Wears a cult related symbol on his head and wants to a sacrifice these are all thematics of the cult.

[eager island]

and i also i never denied cultists existing, i just said there is no need for cult stuff to use it as proof for something in hn3

[shell gull]

I’m not trying to do that either earlier I was stating how the concept of The Guest being seen as a “deity” doesn’t make much sense in the case of the town since the town kinda rejects The Guest and the cult are the only ones who tie him to that concept.

[opal jackal]

This:

Q: Are all the franchise projects just rumors, or can we be sure of some (Hello Neighbor 1/Hide and Seek)? And in general, I'd like to shed more light on the "rumors" and understand how they work within the context of the universe.
A: In general, when playing games in the Hello Neighbor universe, you encounter rumors and urban legends, each of which is an interpretation of real events and existing locations in the game world. I can't go into detail, but I can say that everything you witness or participate in within the Hello Neighbor universe has its place in the overall story and is not there by chance.

[unkempt sleet]

i know about it, i didnt realize that "urban legend thingy" was referring to that

[opal jackal]

Oh

[eager island]

they worshipped it for a while and for some reason they cancelled the festival as a one-time thing and then abandoned the figure before even the next festival should happen

because the accident happened and people some reason thought the guest made it

[shell gull]

Fair.

[eager island]

vandals trying to gift the guest in guest roller coaster

[opal jackal]

Are we sure Mayak will still explain anything? Because that was said a looong time ago

[eager island]

in same way lucy died

[ripe berry]

yes, Nikita said it again more recently

[opal jackal]

Where?

[ripe berry]

#hn3-discussion message

[opal jackal]

Thanks

[eager island]

the thing is i think they firstly thought gift him something else

initially it was gift and not sacrifice

and "ritual" was festival

there is also something writing but i dont understand

[ripe berry]

give me a second-
maybe changing the contrast can make it more visible?

[eager island]

also there is also something writing on this

[opal jackal]

He "thinks"? Bruh, that's literally what P3 and this mural show us

[ripe berry]

...forgot lol (lmao even)

[eager island]

read the rest of the message

it was not about festival stopping storm

[opal jackal]

Oh

[eager island]

did anything come out?

[ripe berry]

...it was a bust unfortunately
whatever it said is too well erased

[opal jackal]

And, tbh, why would the cult even be in HN3 anyway? That'd feel somewhat redundant when we already have the Festival and the Vandals

[ripe berry]

the writing seems to be an upside down list of parts for the Guest Statue

[eager island]

aint the guest statue parts was written in engine, like it was not stylized texture

[ripe berry]

it clearly at least has Head

(or uh... Hea-)

[eager island]

how about the other ones though

was there something with B in statue parts

[eager island]

(it was not beak it was peak i believe)

[ripe berry]

just the most logical conlcusion I can come up with atm ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe berry]

(...here's what my attempt to use contrast and brightness modifications got... still impossible to tell what was written there)

[eager island]

it is like

KSB?

[ripe berry]

heck if I know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

what would that even mean?

[eager island]

there appears to be an arrow in the left of I

[ripe berry]

oh yeah forgot to include that in the image
either an arrow or maybe a J?

[eager island]

or e in this font but upside down for some reason

im pretty the end is R or B

[ripe berry]

maybe try to match the potential letters with any letter we already have?

[ripe berry]

yeah I agree

[eager island]

reference images for this

and the steam assets but i dont have them

[opal jackal]

I like how the Guest's beak in those looks like it did in his old design from HG/HN2

[eager island]

probably because covered saw him in all fours

[opal jackal]

Yeah

[eager island]

when he was killing someone

[ripe berry]

also... notice how after head they list body (which begins with a B)
(this text might just be reused or an early version of the text from there and partily erased)

[eager island]

and this also confirms vandals being teenagers

[unkempt sleet]

beak head

[eager island]

they dont know how the full statue looking like and they wrote some things with question marks

they event wrote the statue can as a bag because the mural guest has it as a bag!

they wrote hand at first i think

i can see H and N

[ripe berry]

(I'm also in a VC with a friend right now so I'm a bi busy to do this rn lol, wish I could!)

[eager island]

seems like KSB

[ripe berry]

ok you're actually good at this lol

if tha's what it is at leastt

[eager island]

its kick some butts!

[ripe berry]

if that's actually what it is then

[coral bobcat]

WHAT IF THE GUEST IS THE SHADOW MANNNNNN

BUT HEY ITS JUST A THEROY A GAME THEORY

its issac from prodotype 3 or 2

[ripe berry]

y'know
why do you think that could've been?

[eager island]

not sure

there is something else besides the name that made them think about it

[ripe berry]

ok
hear me out
the Welcome to Raven Brooks Lucy Yi death
Guest is associated with storms yeah?
If Lucy got struck by lightning or a storm caused her death it'd be interpreted as something the Guest did

[eager island]

wouldnt that be in leap day though

[ripe berry]

...then again this image doesn't look like a storm is occuring...

[eager island]

and that there should be an festival because they didnt really abandoned it

[ripe berry]

...remember they already went without the festival once though

[eager island]

well that would be mean that a storm happened in February 29, 1980

but a weak one

[ripe berry]

and then a slightly stronger one would occur during the GAAP opening in 1984

[eager island]

i doubt it because they would do the festival in 1984

[ripe berry]

I mean... don't you think they were planning to?

either way
if the lack of a festival caused the storms
shouldn't 1984 have had a storm begin before the festival occurred anyways?

I mean Prototype 3's ending doesn't stop the storm before it begins

it only calls it off...

[eager island]

fair

but i mean it isnt really an accusation against the guest

or it actually is

"why didnt the guest protect her?"

[ripe berry]

yeah
if you have this guy known for stopping storms
then a storm kills someone on a roller coaster named after it
I'd label that as potentially being caused by the guy known for stopping storms

[ripe berry]

because why didn't the guy stop the storm then?

[eager island]

and since "the guest killed her" was used more often than "storm killed her" the new generation (vandals) actually thought that the guest had physically done it

[ripe berry]

yeah lol

[eager island]

and maybe even forest dweller thought that

[eager island]

i think this also explains why the mural about the guest stopping storm was destroyed

[eager island]

because recently one of them (covered) actually saw forest dweller killing someone and thought its the guest

and in her mind she combined this with folklore, "the guest killed lucy yi"

[ripe berry]

leads to ritual...

[eager island]

only gap in the story is this...

[ripe berry]

why was the ritual cancelled in 1980 and held off in 1984 to the point of the storm killing Lucy Yi?

what happened in 1980

[eager island]

i llove how the newspaper is deliberately cropped here

you can say "it says festival" and "it says ritual"

[ripe berry]

yeah

looking at it again I think it says festival though
the rip starts right where the F/R should begin and there's about a three letter gap befort the T

[eager island]

perhaps feeling guilty about it the historian installed a lightning rod on the roof of her house to prevent the lightning from taking someone elses life

[ripe berry]

yeah that makes sense...

[eager island]

while i dont think thats the case for the neighbor destroying statue (i dont think this is personal)

this gave the neighbor another reason to destroy the statue and declare war on the guest

[ripe berry]

I think it's personal
but NOT due to the Guest

I think it's personal agains Raven Brooks itself

[eager island]

yeah that is what i meant

[ripe berry]

he only currently hates the Guest that protects RB

[ripe berry]

How much do you all think past games/books matter to HN3? (Reaction poll)
1️⃣ - not at all
2️⃣ - a tiny bit
3️⃣ - quite a bit
4️⃣ - Games matter a lot, books don't
5️⃣ - both matter a lot

[ripe berry]

(...I'll admit I'm personally currently seeing things at a 3 or a 4)

[eager island]

well 3 seems the best option

[ripe berry]

only reason 4's still possible in my eyes is because the games don't actually say the GAAP incident's year and there's a little leeway with the fact the games also never say Aaron's age

[ripe berry]

yeah, like you think HN1 + HNHS fully occur and some details from other games/books have been carried over

[odd fable]

What we wish: 5
What it likely is: 2

[ripe berry]

plus imagine it from the perspective of someone who only plays the games
Hello Neighbor 2 has a 1984 Safe Code
then they load up Hello Neighbor 3 and the Golden Apple Amusement Park Opening/Incident, which hadn't been given a date before this in the games, is dated to be in 1984

[ripe berry]

...I'd settle for a 4 because 5 is basically impossible at this point (GAAP opening year blatantly changed also throwing off book ages)

[opal jackal]

3

[ripe berry]

yeah 3 is most likely rn (even though I wish 4)

[shell gull]

I think they matter a lot even though things so far aren’t deliberately based around certain aspects it’s unquestionable that they matter a lot with the fact that HN3 is after everything in the lore and is the big focal point that’s led up to. You can’t deny things in the lore with anything even if they aren’t mentioned because they connect to the world we’re in for HN3.

[ripe berry]

yeah the only thing I hate is that one mention of 1984 because if not for the GAAP being in 1984 there'd probably be no community debate about if things still exist in the HN3 world

[eager island]

what i mean is if hn3 doesnt mention it by any reference, it is not evidence for hn3, this applies to all media, not just hn3 specifically, you dont get to summon dead plotlines just because they existed once

if it mattered to hn3, it would show up in the game

[ripe berry]

then again you can also use that logic to say that AaronDweller shouldn't have been a theory until Pre-Alpha because until then there was no hint of Aaron existing in HN3 (to my knowledge)

[shell gull]

Right but then again it doesn’t mean you can’t draw evidence from past media and connect things. There’s definitely a lot of connections between the past games and media already with HN3 such as the Peterson house being destroyed, Mayak itself and the Golden Apple.

[eager island]

fair but its a bit different case since they wouldnt reveal who he is just yet

[ripe berry]

and Pre-Alpha only really implies his existence in the Mayak

[eager island]

and also i do think hn1 and h&s is not in the same case as other medias

[ripe berry]

the wording of the interview doesn't make an exception for those games though, so in a way it could just be labelled as biased to give them an exception just because they're "the original games"

[eager island]

fair but in the case of nikita writing, him basing things according to them is also should be considered

[ripe berry]

I mean... the house isn't burned down so you could point to that as evidence we shouldn't even be looking at HN1/HNHS when talking about HN3 if you wanted to.

[eager island]

what i mean is, since he knows the hn1 and h&s story completely, it makes more sense for his new story to be closer to something he knows than to something he doesnt know

[ripe berry]

he also was heavily involved in the creation of Bosco Bay from what we know which is virtually impossible to occur in the Hello Neighbor 3 timeline if you believe the Leap Day Theory

[eager island]

well it is burned but not that much

[eager island]

and its most likely for artistic reasons in this case

[ripe berry]

#hn3-pre-alpha-chat message

if he only had a few small discussions for Missing Pieces
then the thing he read all of the outlines and scripts and drafts for was Bosco Bay

(and possibly Raven Brooks Disaster but not sure on that)

[eager island]

in hn1, since the game takes place on a street, you could tell it was the neighborss house no matter what they put in the house across the street

but they should be doing it a bit more obvious in hn3 because it has a full size town map

[eager island]

it actually can, also fits with the neighbors coming back in hide and seek

after accident, like the hoffman family he fled from raven brooks

and continued his career

[ripe berry]

Bosco Bay was said to be his first theme park was it not?

or was that just how we interpreted things at the time?

[eager island]

i dont think so?

aint there was mentions of him making parks even in japan or something

also i believe the park was not opened in 1984

it was opened in early 1980s

but it closed on 1984

atleast thats how i remember that gn

and yeah i know wiki is not most reliable source but that says the park opened in 1984 was the one with cow mascot

during the destruction of bosco bay

[ripe berry]

yes
in Missing Pieces I think

[ripe berry]

then again
Nikita said something about no real world countries in HN

[eager island]

yeah but we can just take it as he kept making parks at this context

and there should also be an reason for why him moves back and moves in

im assuming he fled from raven brooks after lucy yi accident in 1984

[ripe berry]

yeah
but if you wanna treat HN1 and HNHS as still completely canon you NEED to have that be the case
either that or Stage 1 is now in 1984 and the Nicky Easter Egg's non-canon (or Aaron and Nicky are 16 or 17 in HN1)

it makes no sense for him to randomly move back in though

[eager island]

why cant we just have stage 1 as whenever it was

[ripe berry]

I was saying if we want to have him stay in RB that causes a problem
but having him leave makes the question of why he returns

like obviously some things we can't answer currently
but it's a weird disparity that's caused by the 1984 GAAP

(tbf the GAAP itself causes the disparity with HNHS but still)

[eager island]

im currently assuming he was living in the town and building parks in other cities, then ga hired him and after lucys accident, he fled with the Hoffman family

he continued his career and then decided to retire around 1996 idk

and he returned to his hometown when he retired

[ripe berry]

but still why move back to a place that for all you know blames YOU for the incident?

[eager island]

they didnt blame him if we are going to assume StormKillingLucy theory

[ripe berry]

oh yeah fair

[eager island]

even GA wasnt blamed that much

people started to hate GA after bob fired them

GA still did work on town until 2024

[ripe berry]

aka both the Hoffmans and Theodore left because of the accident but NOT because the town blamed them in any way?

just out of shame or not wanting to have that stain on their reputation

[eager island]

GA's name was tarnished, and perhaps the neighbor saw them fleeing and he left as well

i believe there was a minority that blamed him or ga

[eager island]

and i actually think that historian might be one of them

[ripe berry]

knowing how he behaves in Bosco Bay Theodore probably felt a bit guilty even if no one was blaming him

[eager island]

considering she is still loyal to the guest

[eager island]

i guess so

[ripe berry]

because it was still ultimately a kid dying at a place he designed

even if it was caused in part or full by a storm

[eager island]

him being in his 50s and retiring makes sense to me

and i mean he seems pretty happy in hide and seek

[ripe berry]

also if you ignore the GAYIC and Guest in the Room this timeline does fit with Hello Neighbor 2 (I know how you view the past games and stuff I'm just saying if it weren't for those things right now HN2 would have 0 issue slotting into this timeline proposition because HN2 has Ted staying in RB past the 1960s and the 1984 Safe Code which even with the books it's weird for Ted to have the year some random park got demolished and another random park opened as a safe code, you'd expect the date to be more important to him then that.)

[eager island]

what does gayic stands for

[ripe berry]

G.olden A.pple Y.oung I.nventors C.lub
I just abbreviated the name due to how much stuff I typed there

[ripe berry]

not to mention a version of the Guest Urban Legend having existed for "ages" (I know, probably different intention from what HN3 Shows, but same concept)

[eager island]

i mean i was not saying hn2 never happened or something, im saying if its happened, it probably has no relevance to hn3

[ripe berry]

fair

(however you do basically say that with Aaron Trilogy unless you argue Aaron's like 17 in HN1 (then again that's a book so it already has less importance then the games))

[eager island]

if we are going to talk about whole franchise, then we should be ignoring some stuff to shape the "continuous story"

like if you roughly shape it we can say hn2 and hn3 guest is same

but they would differ from each other even in the smallest detail

[ripe berry]

yeah fair... at this point with franchise timelines I just give up on years...

[ripe berry]

I do still label them as separate even in franchise timelines and use HNVR to explain the Forest Dweller ordeal.

[eager island]

i do too

but you got what i mean

[ripe berry]

because when Alex said there's only one Guest FD didn't exist so therefore he can not possibly have meant HN2 and HN3 Guest are the same

[eager island]

it is possible to fit most things together without going into detail

[ripe berry]

I mean, that's how campfire stories themselves work

they try to tell a continuous story
bu along the way people are going to confuse details and get them wrong

but they're still meant to be a part of the same overall timeline

[eager island]

and thats literally how everything is canon works

[dreamy sluice]

(but not in a way you'd think)

[ripe berry]

everything still exists
like the GAYIC or the Cult or the Guest still existed somewhere in the world
but the details they're surrounded by might not always be the exact same because of who's telling the story

[eager island]

and the best thing with that there is no "true story"

[ripe berry]

I believe there is but it's not quite what you'd expect

it's not some grand timeline

it's a list of bullet points of things that have to occur

[eager island]

yeah

thats actually what i meant with not going to into detail with events

roughly you can shape some points

[ripe berry]

we have to have the GAAP Incident kill Lucy Yi
Diane has to die in a car crash
Mya dies after that
Nicky goes missing in the Basement
Neighbor flees to other location after Nicky escapes
so on

[eager island]

there being an urban legend about the guest and then someone being dressed up like him

[ripe berry]

and everything we play and read and watch is built around those bullet points

Nikita DID say at some point he had a timeline document iirc (in a youtube QnA)

[ripe berry]

and funnily enough this is exactly how Carly described getting to write Missing Pieces

[dreamy sluice]

I believe there is but not in a way you'd think

[ripe berry]

(Thanks to Kevin for finding this)

she was allowed free reign outside of a few key points

again as I said the true Hello Neighbor Timeline is probably literally a list of bullet points of events they allow their writers to fill in the details of however they want

for all we know the Guest not being supernatural isn't even one of those set in stone points but instead just something Nikita and Alex both just decide to roll with for their versions of the Guest

[ripe berry]

it's just that because of the campfire story thing they're allowed to write off those supernatural Guest moments as stories rather then have to deal with the consequences of wha those writers did with the Guest

(Also- you think the Mayak is just going to have like- a meta moment where you can find the books as in-universe books or something to explain that everything we've seen is just stories in-universe?)

either way the Mayak has to tie into any would-be explanation

[ripe berry]

Basically a way to be like: "Who's the Guest? When does Act 3 occur? What's the timeline of events? Well, what do YOU believe it to be? ;)"

(...at least for those who write the stories for the games/books/WtRB/Movie)

[limber ridge]

I think HN1 + HaS matter most, Graphic novels are closest to that as Nikita had worked on them, and then most of everything else Nikita might look at and use some details for HN3 but not that much.

[limber ridge]

To be fair Nikita had said HN3 follows up on HN1.

[limber ridge]

Do books have less importance than games though

If Nikita uses "canon but not in a way you think" for both books and HN2 you'd think they are in the same exact box.

[shell gull]

“I think the most surprising challenges I found had more to do with the timeline of the actual game; it takes place before cell phones or google!” That didn’t hold up very well…

[verbal crane]

Wait guys yk how in act 2 Nicky escapes and in the cartoon neighbour is caught could that perhaps indicate that neighbour had to leave to a different area

[unkempt sleet]

the fact that this would legit just mean "forget everything you've been following since 2019" for the only upcoming biggest mainline game is just annoying and frustrating and unnecessary

if you're doing a reboot or soft reboot or whatever its called at least announce it properly and don't cherry pick games to keep

just because of that i'm personally not going to go with "only HN1 and HNHS matters" while theorizing

[ripe berry]

yeah
I hate the idea of just cherrypicking what remains in the canon for HN3 outside of HN1/HNHS because that's just doing a reboot without technically doing a reboot

(aka it's kinda just Old Lore/New Lore all over again)

[shadow summit]

ohhh man

[tribal talon]

no

[uncut goblet]

woah new channels, pog.

[unborn yew]

Sweet!

[young kayak]

wh

[wise badge]

oh

[fast marten]

i bet hello engineer wont fit in lore

[toxic mist]

im at a loss for words rn

holy crap dude

[fast marten]

we didnt want this but we did anyways

[unborn wing]

I dunno if I like this or not

[heavy patrol]

So HE could be classefied just as one of the many adventures the kids have after the closing of the park

Big deal

Bruh

[fierce fossil]

Aaron is Guest

[old crater]

I tried to make a timeline of the Neighborverse

[heavy patrol]

I may think HN2 is the inbetween of Act 2 and 3

As there's a huge gap between those 2

Then Hello Engineer is prob before Act 1

[old crater]

Is this better?

[heavy patrol]

Yes

👍

[gray dome]

more lore discussion

yayyyyy

[vivid merlin]

not to act final

[primal fox]

who is the crow

[shadow summit]

someone

[crude dew]

Time to get totally mixed with so many channels

[toxic mist]

oh yea

the lore discussion for all the games

total chaos

[paper shadow]

You'll get used to it soon, it's actually pretty simple.

[spare inlet]

Yeah I kinda like it (unpopular opinion ik ik)

[old crater]

I also made a map of raven brooks from all the games if there is anything missing let me know.

[vivid merlin]

Me

[winged knoll]

mercits map does seem alot more detailed and could be real

[heavy monolith]

Hmm

[heady wyvern]

Imagine the Visitor being Nicky all along

[winged knoll]

imagine imbir being nicky

[void cedar]

Raven brooks the horror town

[lavish lily]

Okay, soooo....

[tidal basalt]

Hi

[loud tusk]

Hi

[vague plume]

This is a story of a Fallen beloved story Mr. Peterson after his tragedy to his family (Divided to 4 Part i think) :

Once upon a time theres a happy family known as Peterson Family where they just moved in from their hometown to a new town named Raven Brooks a happy city with every nice people they meet after that they moved into Mr. Peterson Parents House which been long abandoned since his parents passed away and decided to move there

And as they move in Mr. Peterson has started rebuilded the house to its original with Peterson style while Diana Peterson cooked dinner for the family and their kids Aaron and Mya played hide and seek in the house

In the town Aaron and Mya has meet a lot of nice friends like Nicky and other kids...

They played together it was a great things they do everyday and it was fantastics until DISASTER happens!

When Mr. Peterson and Diane go out for a date/dinner together and their kids are still playing hide n seek till night but their parents didn't come home...

That night Aaron and Mya was so worried about their Father and Mother so they decided to call them no answer from them

[winged knoll]

personaly i like to think aaron and mya called the pizza truck that crashed into their car

[vague plume]

So Aaron with feeling of heart cooked dinner for his sister for tonight while waiting for his parent to come

One day, Mr. Peterson finally came home but where is Diane

@winged knoll Shhh

Im telling story

[winged knoll]

srry

[vague plume]

Alright where was i? Ah yes the diane part

Once they saw Mr. Peterson has a sad face they know that their mother has passed away in the hospital bed cause of a car crash incident with the pizza truck.

Aaron was really sad that his mother died until he threw all his anger thinking was her fault because her mother died but his sister was only to help him, cheer him up but no all her got is anger, humilation from his brother

Until one day Aaron took Mya dolls and decided to go to the top of the roof of their house and Mya finally find her dolls there but Aaron pops from behind her with his anger and tears about his mother but an Accident Happens!

He without notice push her little sister down from the roof and falls down into her death...

Mr. Peterson that saw another one of his family member died again was shock and decided to put her body in the grave in his backyard...

But what happens to Aaron well you see Aaron was locked up in the basement by Mr. Peterson so he can kept his last son alive from all the incident happens to his family and if he not he so afraid that one day aaron will die so he locked him up so nobody can hurt him

And Mr. Peterson decided to put a Missing Poster all over the city about his missing kids but all along their kids died one and one got locked in basement stil alive and Mr. Peterson lied to the police about their kids going into their Grandma house in Minnesota

But one kids who doesn't believe decided to investigate his own his name was Nicky he doesn't believe what Mr. Peterson says so he decided to find out what happens to Aaron and Mya so he spying on Mr. Peterson everywhere he go anytime to find any clues where Aaron could be?

Anyway thats it for the story more coming soon im tired typing this i hope you enjoy and bye

[heavy monolith]

90 percent of the peterson story is missing

[winged knoll]

its mostly correct if only going off of the games and not the books

[gleaming violet]

wait

are we excepting that HN 2 is set in a different location

[vague plume]

@heavy monolith Cool

Only 10 percent more what did i miss though

[hard ingot]

are we accepting that HN 2 is set in a different location

[vague plume]

Yes I think

Its set on Abandoned Golden Apple Amusement Park

And Hello Neighbor set in Raven Brooks

[hard ingot]

that means its entirely possible its set after act 3

[hazy hollow]

insert lore discussion here

[tribal talon]

That’s a great way to share lore with someone who is new to hn and hasn’t read the books Also the website says after the events of the first game meaning after act 3 scince act 3 is an event but everyone here says between act 2 and 3 because of a message on Instagram they showed the image so I guess it is

Classic and Baka showed an image a while back

Wether it’s after act 3 or not. I strongly agree it’s not the same neighborhood as hn1 it’s in the same town raven brooks but not in friendly court also you guys told me that the website says the same neighborhood but when I bring up the website saying after the events of the first game it’s wrong what I’m saying is that if the website is wrong then it’s not the same neighborhood

[gray dome]

Ez

Act 3 isn't main event

Same with finale

[worn grotto]

if hn2 is after act 3 or between act 2 and 3

the devs said between act 2 and 3

[gray dome]

Act 2

[vivid merlin]

what exactly is described here

[worn grotto]

we just answered that\

[quasi roost]

Alot of the games talk about inventions same with a few of the books, it makes you wonder if me wonder if that's what tinybuild wants here.

[wicked heath]

No

[old crater]

Is nobody gonna talk about how there are 2 different weather stations in different locations but they look exactly the same?

[gray dome]

its called timelines

[hard ingot]

yeah

i hate it

*i wish there was one

[echo bane]

The Neighbor Is An Alien.. Because Of SN He Can Turn Into Anyone Just Like In The Movie: The Thing.

[tribal talon]

Or maybe sn just isnt canon

[echo bane]

Yes I Know But It Kinda Explains The Rocket Event..

Where You At Matpat?

[gray dome]

It is canon doe

[tribal talon]

The events aren't

Rocket and mayak aren't canon but the main game (neighbor wins) is

[gray dome]

Hgvvyubbdf

Yes

Ending

I feel like mayak mightve been

[tribal talon]

But the town is intact when nicky escapes

[gray dome]

cus it didnt do anything

the storm did

or

timelines

[final sequoia]

i always thought the rocket event ending was supposed to tell you, "the whole game was actually you just planning it out the whole time, not actually you breaking in". it would make every ending a possible ending and it's not like its a dumb cliche, hello neighbor's ending was ||"its just a dream the whole time"||

[tribal talon]

It wasnt

Act 1 and 2 were true

But 2 had a distorted memory

[hard ingot]

act 3 was not a dream i dont think

[gray dome]

But 2 had a distorted memory
Both 2 and 3 were

[hard ingot]

yes

[versed yacht]

I don't think there are alternate timelines for every game, I just think Hello Neighbor has a ton of inconsistencys

[gray dome]

nah

[wanton drum]

Timelines go brr

[main idol]

XD i knew another multiplayer game would be annouced XD

[worn grotto]

ok

[wicked heath]

there are 7 timelines now

maybe 6

[worn grotto]

well theres like a timeline for every single thing except for books and a couple of games

[hard ingot]

someone tell all known timelines

Now or i take kneecaps

[worn grotto]

nah g

[hard ingot]

thats it

[worn grotto]

you cant take kneecaps through a screen

[hard ingot]

im taking them

TOO BAD

[worn grotto]

how

[hard ingot]

magik

[worn grotto]

oh no its howard hoodeenie

with his magic spell book

[hard ingot]

well if sospect can shut down my internet then i should be able to take ur kneecaps

[wanton drum]

sospect shut down your internet

[worn grotto]

hmmm

[hard ingot]

what

no

[worn grotto]

but what if

[hard ingot]

but he can

[worn grotto]

sospect shuts down you internet

right now

[hard ingot]

please dont talk about it

[worn grotto]

takes about it

[hard ingot]

ik

i suck

sorry

i sauck

nwo dei

[worn grotto]

nah i dont feel like it

[gray dome]

someone tell all known timelines
I feel like pinging Classic but at the same time dont

[hard ingot]

ok

[main idol]

What Will The Alphas Be On For HE

[vague plume]

It will be on PC i think@main idol

I hope sure and also if you wanna ask in here please #hello-engineer @main idol

[gray dome]

did u need to double ping them

[main idol]

ok Sorry

Im Just comFused

[worn grotto]

now thats how you spell

[vague plume]

No

[tribal talon]

It will be on PC i think
@vague plume no they wont

[vague plume]

Yes they would

I even thinking

Did Stadia even accept Alphas and Beta of Hello Engineer

[hard ingot]

is there even gonna be alphas and betas of HE

[wicked heath]

yes

[hard ingot]

wait

really

[vague plume]

Yes

Its litteraly said in the premier of Gameplay Reveal of Hello Engineer in tinybuild channel

Sign up for the alphas at www.helloengineer.com

[uncut goblet]

I wonder what the alphas would look like.

[hard ingot]

pre alpha would most likely look like the trailer

[worn grotto]

aka it would look like scrap mechanic with trailmakers

with hn characters

[tribal talon]

The alphas are probably exclusive to Google Irrelevant ™

I don't think stadia has much chance of living

The director for it says steamers should have to pay royalties to the devs for streaming a game they paid for

what?

[wanton drum]

i really hope they reconsider the one year exclusivity for it

[loud tusk]

#hello-engineer

[hard ingot]

why doesn't someone make a HN timeline that covers every timeline

i would do it myself but...

i dont know that much HN lore

[versed yacht]

The most basic timeline I can give is: Prequel Books, Missing Peices and Hide and Seek, Waking Nightmare and Hello Engineer, Buried Secrets and Act 1, Act 2, Time Skip, Act 3, Hello Neighbor 2.

[heavy monolith]

Hn2 is before act 3

[versed yacht]

I think it happens after just because how different every thing looks and feels

And Mr. Peterson does look a lot older

[heavy monolith]

Not really

Also its like that because the hurricane hit like a few weeks after act 2

[versed yacht]

Still that would complicate things alot

[heavy monolith]

The town went abandoned for a while but people came back around act 3 and rebuilt the town

[versed yacht]

I could see that working out but then where is Nicky's house in hn2?

[heavy monolith]

No model yet

Also gameplay purposes go brrrr

[versed yacht]

If they do add Nicky's house they should add an item or something that relates to the lore

Like something that helps against Guest but also has backstory

[heavy monolith]

I cant really think of anything in nicky’s house that would be useful besides a binocuscope or a lockpick set

[versed yacht]

Maybe the Fart Synthesizer?

[heavy monolith]

idk

Pretty sure thats not at his house

[versed yacht]

You plug it into a generator to use it

Idk maybe

It would still be cool to see

[lost valve]

wait where does hello engineer fall in the timeline

i guess somewhere near sc sence well same characters

[winged knoll]

i dont think that alpha 1.5 even happend as it just seems like quintin was daydreaming at work

[vague plume]

Crazy Theory

What if the crow child was the neighbor when he was a little child

thats why you see the ending the crow child turns into the neighbor

i know that sounds not fit in the lores and its crazy

[tribal talon]

bruh

thanks for spoiler tagging that

[tribal talon]

@vague plume yeah you need to spoiler tag that especially when the update came out today

[lavish lily]

Shadow man : Hello! I'm your Shadow-
Nicky : Wait WHAT-

[winged knoll]

i think that hello neighbor 2 takes place in old town as its basicly in the middle of the asument park and is basicly destroyed

like no matter how big of a strom there is there is no way it can wipe out an entire town let alone destroy paved roads

[hard ingot]

yes

[heavy monolith]

I think its called gameplay and unfinished

Its the same neighborhood im pretty sure

[ebon pier]

hello

[tribal talon]

i think that hello neighbor 2 takes place in old town as its basicly in the middle of the asument park and is basicly destroyed
@winged knoll its still ravenbrooks... probally just a few years in the future so maybe people abondened the town

Idk

in act 3 the house was burnt down and the neighbor could be seen sitting on a apartment building

so did the neighbor come back and rebuild it?

or does all this happen during act 2

[winged knoll]

the thing is that the town has changed to much its not possible

and the town wasint built in the middle of the asument park it was like on the out skirts of the main town

[tribal talon]

So the neighbor rebuilt his house?

away from the town?

next to his failed amusment park?

[versed yacht]

Ok so, let's talk about that ending.
(SPOILERS)

||Mr. Peterson is very obviously running from something, he has a scared look on his face at the very beginning of the animation, he gets frustrated because the door is locked. He yells "HEY!" At us, but we don't hear it cause he's behind the door, he bangs some more, says something like "HELP!" and then he bangs harder and boom, it cuts. Quentin is sitting at his desk, watching the footage we just experienced. He gets up, looks at the door, it shakes and he acts scared. Then the text "How's your weather?" appears. The kids get kidnapped, and put into the attic. The crow was locked up, while the others took off their costumes and ran away or something. The Crow keeps his costume on, and doesnt trust us, so we lure him with candy. When we get all the candy, the light starts to flicker, and the crow kid falls down. Mr. Peterson comes, and he is running from something, and screaming at us for help. Meanwhile, we are recording the whole thing with a camera of some sort (makes sense since Quentin is a reporter.) The camera's audio cuts out, and we are left with silence. Quentin runs away once his camera glitches out too, and reviews the footage. The Guest knows Quentin has seen to much, and goes to pay him a visit. It's Halloween and so when he hears a knock while he's watching the footage he got, he thinks it's some trick or treaters, but realizes nobody would be trick or treating during the storm that is probably happening or is about to start. So he stops. Then the phrase "How's your weather?" Appears, giving us the hint about the storm.||

[daring junco]

What is the basic lore premise I should know before jumping into Hello Neighbor 2 Alpha 1.5 ? (note that I didn't play the first alpha). I've been wanting to jump back in the Hello Neighbor franchise recently and the last thing I remember were the Hello Guest demos (if you can call them that). Thanks in advance 😅

[zenith turret]

Not much is necessary, it's a similar premise: Mr. Peterson has gone missing, so you - Quentin, a reporter - investigate his house, discovering a strange, raven-like creature inhabiting it and locking something in the attic. The difference between the two alphas is that in A1, Quentin may have just arrived to the scene. In A1.5, Quentin's been watching the Guest for quite some time beforehand and we actually see what gets locked in the attic.

[winged knoll]

Honestly seemed more like quintin was about to go trick or treating

[daring junco]

Thank you.

[versed yacht]

For a bit I thought since the ground looked like dirt in his van and there was grass, I thought that he was camping out in an old van that's half underground lol

[gray dome]

Dont forget HG

[fickle bison]

im confused about the games

does it go act 1 act 2 then hello neighbor 2 alpha 1?

because the house there is the act 1/2 house, yet we see the house destroyed in act 3

so yea im confused

or is it in a new location or is it like a different universe thats sort of liek like hello neighbor

cuz our house isnt there anymore

unless it is all a game within a game

ok so i just read dizzys description AND OMG that makes so much more sense now 😅

but im still confused if the games are connected or not?

and plus the neighbors house is WAY bigger than the original house

[glossy spire]

most likely hello neighbor 2 is set in a different location

[heavy monolith]

Im pretty sure its the same location

[winged onyx]

Hi!

[long shore]

hello this is lore discussion we discus lore about the hello neighbor universe

[winged onyx]

I know

[hard ingot]

Im pretty sure its the same location
@heavy monolith i doubt

it looks completely different

and you cant say a hurricane did that

[queen stratus]

It says it takes place in raven brooks

[gray dome]

Yeah

Looks like a different part tho

Or different timeline

[hard ingot]

no

i hate that there are different timelines

for me there are only book and game timeline

[frail grotto]

what the heck is time line

[tribal talon]

It’s in the same town raven brooks but that doesn’t mean the same neighborhood

[frail grotto]

are you talking about HN2

[tribal talon]

what the heck is time line
@frail grotto it’s a weird theory everyone here tries to force you to believe

And yes I am

[frail grotto]

oh

force to do what

[tribal talon]

If you try to talk about your theory on the games or books people here will try to convince you that your wrong and their theory is right and they try to force you to believe it

Not everyone

But some

[gray dome]

If u don't believe them we ask u to explain the plot holes

[tribal talon]

I have my theory on why the Peterson house was somewhere else

[winged knoll]

wanna know a plot hole is that everyone says that we are in the same neighborhood as HN but the plot hole to that is nickys house is gone and that nicky moves into the house by act 3 so it would be there

[tribal talon]

The storm puled it out of ground and it threw it over there which is why it different in hello neighber to!

That is why the location is diffarent!

Im better than gam teery for realising this!

[winged knoll]

i keep saying that HN2 takes place in old town as its the oldest part of raven brooks and is right next to the asument park

[tribal talon]

It probably does

[winged knoll]

and i imagin old town would be left to rot after getting hit by a massive storm

[gray dome]

ez

[winged knoll]

and its cannon that the amusement park is north of the neighbors house not right next to it

[gray dome]

the events of HN2 happen in HN1 RB

making more evidence for timelines

[winged knoll]

HN2 is in raven brooks but not the same part of it as HN1

[tribal talon]

But fr

How DID the house move

[winged knoll]

i didint move its just another house

the neighbors house in HN1 got burnt down as by act 3

[gray dome]

im too lazy to explain my theory

but it involves a bunch of timeline stuff

[worn grotto]

its not another house

the neighbors house in HN1 got burnt down as by act 3
@winged knoll the game is between act 2 and 3

acording to the devs

[gray dome]

okokokokso

[winged knoll]

that still doesint change the fact that nickys house would be there then

as nicky moves into the same house by act 3

[worn grotto]

its an alpha too

so that could change

[gray dome]

HN2 is another timeline, BUT the events of that timeline happens in HN1s timeline too

so then both of the events happen in both RB

[winged knoll]

well when it changes ill eat my own words but untill then HN2 does not take place in teh same part of raven brooks

[worn grotto]

also about the house being in a junkyard, i think they just turned the area around the house into a junkyard and didnt bother to demolish the house

[winged knoll]

it could be that the neighbor was just collecting scrap and stuff from the park

[tribal talon]

The guest stole a crane

And lifted the entire goddamn house

[worn grotto]

there ya go

[winged knoll]

and then changed the entire layout of the inside and add a very large part on the back

[tribal talon]

yes.

[worn grotto]

its like the movie Up, he just strapped a bajillion balloons to the house and lowered it down into the junkyard

[winged knoll]

thats just stupid even for HN logic

alex is just watching us laughing as us at this point for trying to figure crap out

you know in the prototype of HN2 quintin and beatrix shop at a gastation and pass by it to get to the park, you can see the same gastation in HN1 and in SN as you have to get past it to get to the park so HN2 is not in the same neighborhood

[tribal talon]

wanna know a plot hole is that everyone says that we are in the same neighborhood as HN but the plot hole to that is nickys house is gone and that nicky moves into the house by act 3 so it would be there
@winged knoll the neighbor probally moved closer to his failed amusment park in raven brooks

[winged knoll]

could be but i doubt he would move an entire house he probs just had similar house built

[tribal talon]

could be but i doubt he would move an entire house he probs just had similar house built
@winged knoll his house burnt down so he probally moved to a similar house by his amusment park or he built a new house

[gray dome]

nahnahnahnah

[tribal talon]

welp i found a guy...

[gray dome]

Yeah we all know him

[tribal talon]

i didnt see him in there before xd

[gray dome]

the neighbor probally moved closer to his failed amusment park in raven brooks
closer?

[tribal talon]

howd i just now notice the guy

yes

closer

[gray dome]

closer?

ok well

thats not closer

parks way far away

[tribal talon]

no

[gray dome]

Yeah it is

[tribal talon]

in HN1 you cant even see it

[gray dome]

The one with the Ferris Wheel isn't the actual park

it's a mini version

[tribal talon]

yes it is

[gray dome]

the one in HG is the real one

in HN1 you cant even see it
for a multitude of reasons

[tribal talon]

HG is HN2

[gray dome]

Im aware bru

[tribal talon]

its more than just a ferris wheel

it has the rotten core in it

and more i just couldnt get a good look

[gray dome]

ur talking abt HG

[tribal talon]

because i dont got UUU

no

i dont have HG

[gray dome]

theres not even any roller coaster

[tribal talon]

not enough pc space

and????

[wanton drum]

what?

[tribal talon]

you realize devs arnt gonna implement every single detail into a alpha

[gray dome]

the rotten core isn't in the park (in the books yeah, game no)

it has the rotten core in it

you'd be surprised

[tribal talon]

yes in the game

[gray dome]

the Rotten Cores a roller coaster, and it's only in the books bru

[tribal talon]

whats that then???

[wanton drum]

another tent

[tribal talon]

well whatever its called

[wanton drum]

stuck in the mountain

[tribal talon]

in the red circle

[gray dome]

hold on

ill show u

[tribal talon]

thats one of the rides

i dont remember the name cuz i havent read the books in forever

[gray dome]

It's a ride yeah but it's not the Rotten Core

[wanton drum]

its the swing ride which i forgot the name of

[gray dome]

Yeah same

[tribal talon]

ok

[gray dome]

these are literally just mini versions of the ones in the park

[tribal talon]

and its still the golden apple...

a devs not gonna implement every detail

they had to fit such a large thing into such a small space

and what ever

[gray dome]

they'd fit things in

not everything

but the most important

[winged knoll]

It's the back of it

[gray dome]

would they put the coaster? yes, is it there? no

[winged knoll]

The back of the amusement park as the ferries wheel is at the back of it

[gray dome]

also thats a big ferris wheel

[winged knoll]

The coster would be in the middle of ot

It

[gray dome]

and then uh

[tribal talon]

what ever im over talking about it

[gray dome]

Mayak isn't even in HN2A1, but in HG it is, how is that ride supposed to reach Mayak

wth

anyway HG = park itself
HN2 = mini

[winged knoll]

or yetleast a small part of it

as i imagin we will go into the park fully in HN2

[grand chasm]

Im know all HL 2 lore

Its just game

XD

[solemn cape]

what

[marsh oxide]

what’s Mayak?

[gray dome]

screaming

well

anyway

magical weather station that's been abandoned (probably)

thats Mayak

[stuck ice]

The eyeball thing right?

[gray dome]

Yes

[lyric forge]

Wish we knew more...

[lyric forge]

Gordon Cleave is a station 4 channel manager

Soo does this mean Quintin works for Cleave?

[winged knoll]

yeah

honestly i think quintin will get fired and will get a job as a guard at the park

most likely getting fired for going into a dangerous situation and fallowing a cold case where a person no one cares about in ravenbrooks is missing

[gray dome]

Quentin*

And he already has a part time job at the park

[verbal oasis]

hi

[agile hare]

hey guys here's my theory about GuestKid, so, there's the Golden Apple Amusement Park shown in Hello Guest and the first thing that you see as Quentin in his opening cutscene is him getting to the park and sees a crow statue, and then he enters the park, but why would there be a crow statue in the park, maybe because Ravens where the mascot of the park, like, GAAP is in RAVEN Brooks, it would be clear that the mascot of the Park would be a crow, and if this is a Park there are Kiosks, so, some Kiosks were sealing the costume that GuestKid is wearing, because it's the park's mascot, I think that my theory is correct, or some sort of close.

And maybe The Guest didn't "kill" GuestKid like what he did with PumpkinKid and AlienKid because he was wearing a "Forest Protector" suit, but at the same time not because GAAP wore sealing those, that's why The Guest didn't "killed" him, because he was wearing a suit.

and that's why his suit has a Golden Apple badge, because that suit was from the Golden Apple Amusement Park

[stuck ice]

i just noticed this camera

[wanton drum]

you need the crowbar to get the fire extinguisher

[tribal talon]

you dont

jump on the window that has boards from the tree house

get like a cone

and throw it at the switch

then you can walk on the conveyer

and crouch through it

[wanton drum]

oh

i wasnt aware throwing items at it worked

[tribal talon]

yeah same

until i watched hn2 vid

[glad cipher]

I watched devil ninja to find out how to do that

[tribal talon]

same

[steady fractal]

Ok guys I have a theory for you.

You guys know the shadow guy

He is the personification of the protagonists nightmares

The screaming is from Mr. Petersons son. Agreed

?

Well so do I

After loosing his wife and daughter the neighbor locked his son inside his basement

However the reason his daughter died according to hide and seek was because Mr. Peterson's son pushed her off the house

But I don't believe that the house pushing was from the son. But from the shadow guy

As we see from drawings within the games, the kids were "friends" with the shadow guy

But as we see later in the first hello neighbor the shadow guy antagonizes the protagonist and the neighbor

So I believe that the shadow guy was able to "posses" in a sense the neighbor's son and forced him to push his sister off the roof

thus the shocked expression on his face in the cutscene

after the losses of most of his family Mr. Peterson locks his son in the basement unknowingly with the shadow guy

thus the screaming as the shadow guy tries to kill the neighbor's son

[tribal talon]

what about this?

[steady fractal]

ill get to why this is important

According to the books the protagonist in the first game is friends with the neighbors son

[tribal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-neighbor-neighbour-hello-neighbour-custom-gif-17387028

the crow guy?

[steady fractal]

No the shadow guy

ill get a picture

[tribal talon]

any theorys?

[steady fractal]

that is who he is

so the protagonist goes over to the neighbor's house to check on his missing friend