hn3-discussion

[dark bison]

you should be asking how Isaac can throw people!

[earnest cape]

Thank goodness that was the one thing that really held back prototype 3 is the lack of direction to know what there is to do. Now freedom to do what you want while still knowing key things about the game should be better hopefully 🙏

Officially out of the prototype stage and into pre alpha phase.

[untold grotto]

she is definitely 85+

in devlog nikita says "she is oldest person in town"

[gleaming acorn]

most likely, yeah
every other character did, i don't see why peterson would be different other than the fact he's peterson

bro has all the answers

[gleaming acorn]

watch grandeturisto come down from the heavens and say 'no'

[peak solar]

the only thing he's said so far is that the Neighbor doesn't wander much

him and the guest are the two most different AIs so far I think

[trim trout]

+++

[random shell]

Is it confirmed with the next playable build

Will be

[gleaming acorn]

what?

what are you asking, i'm sorry

[random shell]

Like is the next build going to be another prototype or pre-Alpha or alpha one?

Or are they just done and just focusing towards the main game which could be good too

[untold grotto]

pre alpha

[gleaming acorn]

this be for you

[gleaming acorn]

you seem to misunderstand

the prototypes and alphas ARE the main game, just very early versions of it

they're always focusing on main game

[random shell]

Oh, I was just asking if they confirmed what the next build was going to be

[random shell]

Good to know

I’m just doing a random guesstimate that it will be spring to summertime that would get released or even fall and if they want to release at least three Alpha after that to mimic the first game . So maybe the end of 2027 release date.

It’d be funny if they release it on the 10 year anniversary of the first game

[near meadow]

Pre alpha prolly releasing this month

Idk

[normal terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-playtest-hello-neighbor-meme-hello-neighbor-3-prototype-hello-neighbor-3-theodore-peterson-hello-neighbor-3-prototype-3-gif-11727234826701159476

[random shell]

Not likely games take LONG time to make

[chrome sun]

Alphas are to test the game. Might take less time idk

But hopefully when spring starts it will come out.

[sleek moat]

It can’t be Aaron I think Franklin

[random shell]

I mean the game takes place when the kids are adults

[restive oxide]

it's not Aaron.

[unkempt cipher]

Isn’t Franklin dead or sum?

[lusty geyser]

did the play test get taken down?

[broken galleon]

it did

[sleek moat]

no he got powers to turn into guest

[unkempt cipher]

Judging how old Peterson is, Fuh naw

[sleek moat]

uhh he has powers

he is imortal

[ebon talon]

i think somehow yes, i cant see the request access button

[restive oxide]

we literally watched him get incinerated man 😭

[sleek moat]

We saw him fall

Then come back up as some shadow

[restive oxide]

no

[sleek moat]

And why would they show that in the season about the cult

[restive oxide]

he saw his silhouette

not him as a shadow

we watched him get engulfed in the beam

he is very much dead

[near hawk]

Not yet known, but likely, I'd say

[gentle carbon]

bro fell in the magic beam of magic and disappeared into magic so he must be dead?

I mean yeah proly

but magic beam of magic is magic

[near hawk]

Ahh but you see "nothing is supernatural in Rave-" guys, the giant beam came from the ground!

That doesn't mean it's supernatural, it could be some sci-fi stuff but what would discard it having some transforming properties?

[gentle carbon]

I would rather it be supernatural, this being part of Hello Neighbor at all is strange to me, but sci-fi would be even weirder. Supernatural still fits the vibe enough

[near hawk]

Like I genuinely don't believe Franklin is the guest but the way people say he can't be because that'd be supernatural, while the same people do believe time loops and giant beams from the ground are actual things is just.. idk

[near hawk]

Ngl I don't really care what it is

Supernatural or sci-fi

I guess if I had to make a choice, I'd say supernatural as well maybe?

[near hawk]

People say sci-fi because Nikita said a while ago nothing in Raven Brooks is supernatural

He did use one of these though "" so I'd say he could be joking

[gentle carbon]

(Growling crow beast looks at camera)

[near hawk]

#old-rbo-discussion message

[near hawk]

Problem is, given how people were trying to figure that out so much, you'd think he'd have said if it was a joke, but either way you'd think he'd specify that so uhh... Yeah

[stone elk]

Support this if you agree https://discord.com/channels/474299944254308373/1468552520866726129

[eager glade]

wasn't he screaming

[near meadow]

When can we expect the pre alpha release nikita?

No exact date or anything….

Few months? Or soon?

[eager glade]

no promised dates

[near meadow]

Yeah

I JUST said that

“No exact date”

[eager glade]

nothing promised

[near meadow]

Didnt say promised either

Just a small prediction with low expectations of it actually happening

Between feb and april? That for example

[late veldt]

i mean id say at least before the end of march

the timeframe between a build closing and a new build releasing usually isnt very long

at least it wasnt last time i dont think

[thin portal]

I have hope of it releasing this month or at least early march

[glacial eagle]

just only realized that Tinybuild loves to release mainline games in December

[late veldt]

if youre implying hn3 will be out this december theres literally no chance lol

if we're lucky we'll be at like alpha 2 by the end of the year

this stuff is gonna take a while

[stone elk]

Christmas revenue boost yay

[eager glade]

no obviously

Next year

Cuz hn1 came out then 5 years later hn2 in the same month

So most likely 2027 decembee

But since its something like bigger

Maybe early 2028

[tall sorrel]

also HNHS and HNND (former DLCs for HN1)

[restive oxide]

hear me out
spring 2028

[nimble walrus]

Early 2028 would be better tbh. As it would fit the year that HN3 takes place and the season. Not ofc winter, but somewhere March/April 2028

[eager glade]

Hmmmm

[eager glade]

Yeah

Since its open world and sandbox and you get the idea

[nimble walrus]

Yep.

Hn3 rly reminds me of one place where I used to live, before moving to uk

[little onyx]

i think it could end up in a december since hn1, hs and hn2 were december

hn2 was 5 years after hn1 and if hn3 was 5 years after hn2 it would be december 2027 (and would also be the 10 year anniversary of HN)
i don't have reason to believe it's that obviously but i think that would be a reasonable date
but right now we have no clue since the game is early in development

[eager glade]

Reminds me of Nottingham

[nimble walrus]

For me it reminds me of Latvia. Before they recoloured or remade the outside of the buildings.

[random shell]

Good time to release it so people can play it either huge main demographic were teens like myself back in the day

[delicate sigil]

It's surreal to think of a 2028 release date, feels so far away, but looking forward to how HN3 will turn out as time goes on

[stone elk]

Well atleast its not like we are just waiting since we get to play the earlier builds

[delicate sigil]

yeah thats really awesome too, though I like the speculation of just waiting aswell

[narrow gust]

I assume your saying 2028 as a possible release date due to that being the year the game takes place in

[delicate sigil]

I was just looking at the discussion above

[narrow gust]

oh right ok

[delicate sigil]

but yeah that could be another reason it could release in 2028

[limpid cosmos]

They should make raven brooks in hello neighbor 3 a little like the one in hello neighbor 2 but abandoned

[glacial eagle]

you're probably right

[cunning cosmos]

this literally is just the average farmer in New Zealand

[lucid crescent]

It's my birthday

[eager glade]

happy birthay

[chrome sun]

Just created a Hello Neighbor 3 OC. His name is Carter.

[winged jungle]

Happy neighbory birthday

[restive oxide]

when's the last time Carter ate something

[chrome sun]

He didn' t had time because he kept getting snatched by the Guest and getting saved repeatedly.

[gentle carbon]

did the guest also snatch his waist?

[chrome sun]

No

That is the art design basically.

Might draw a actual sketch of him.

[gentle carbon]

I was just saying he has a snatched waist

[chrome sun]

No

But anyways the art style looks like that because I like turning them into sticklike figures

[near hawk]

Great art. Curious on what is his story and stuff

[spiral atlas]

Been a while since we've seen anything, I wonder how stuff is going

[gentle carbon]

I just want better doors

not better

different

[high brook]

i wonder how much % pre alpha is finished

probably not far from finished since its just going off of p3 now

[severe merlin]

Stuff is going good. I planned to share finished Historian, but our artist Piotr is on vacation 🙂 and the model is practically finished

[spiral atlas]

Oh nice!

[eager glade]

how are you nikita

[mortal dove]

Ive been meaning to ask. Will the player character get their own player model or will they still be using Jacob`s model as a placeholder in the pre alpha?

[spiral atlas]

Oh yeah that's a good question

[eager glade]

we havent gotten any mention of the player model sooo i dont think so? maybe its kept secret until the release of pre alpha

[spiral atlas]

I'm really intrigued by what type of character the player will be

[eager glade]

i feel like its gonna be a customized thing

like what skin we want and the hats and coats

[severe merlin]

Hopefully we finally get the actual player model

[chrome sun]

Hope his vacation is doing well.👍

[eager glade]

oh nevermind then lol

[severe merlin]

I am drawing concept literally right now

[chrome sun]

That amazing

[mortal dove]

Alright thank you for responding :D

[spiral atlas]

Oh that's awesome

[eager glade]

i cant wait

[mortal dove]

Excited to see what the player looks like

[chrome sun]

Wonder what the name will be for him or her

[eager glade]

im wondering why hegoes to raven brooks anyway but thats gonna be a thing when hn3 is close to final

[lunar trail]

ooh

[chrome sun]

He is a older brother of another OC I am making named Abigail. They go to Raven Brooks hoping for a place to stay.

[lunar trail]

when will we able to see it though

probably not right after its finished

[cunning yacht]

Pls make it Pre Alpha Man Inspired

[severe merlin]

What do you mean?

[high brook]

they mean the player from hello neighbor 1 pre alpha

[spiral atlas]

He's talking about the placeholder Pre Alpha HN1 player model

Which the community has nicknamed "Pre Alpha Man"

[cunning yacht]

Him

[mortal dove]

This is just a very early placeholder model I dont see what there would be to inspired by

[high brook]

i wonder if player will be female or male, either wont affect the lore though. unless theres an option too

[lunar trail]

why are we asking for a new character to be inspired by a really old placeholder model

[opaque summit]

i wonder why people have such an obsession with the pre alpha man

[cunning yacht]

Headshape

[mortal dove]

its a simple headshape.

[lunar trail]

thats still a placeholder model

[high brook]

jacob is literally the hn3 version of this guy rn

[mortal dove]

Yeah I dont really see the point? I would rather see something new

[cunning yacht]

Idk, would be a nice callback

[eager glade]

bruh

[near hawk]

Imo just the head shape wouldn't at all discard it from still being something new.

[high brook]

imagine the player is like nikita or something but hn3ified

[near hawk]

But I don't really care if it is inspired or nah

[eager glade]

that would be fire

[severe merlin]

Main character already has a story, so …

[eager glade]

we dont need pre alpha man

and thats it

[high brook]

yea

pre alpha man isnt even canon

its just placeholder for nicky

[cunning yacht]

Oh... so no?

[lunar trail]

interesting...

[near hawk]

Ooh.

Looking forward.

[cunning yacht]

Yup, Would like to see what he would look as a actual finished character

[eager glade]

im getting chased by the vandals in the tunnels

[high brook]

i wonder if concept art will be revealed soon or kept secret until release of pre alpha

like guest design

[chrome sun]

Nikita how do you like my OC I made.

[cunning yacht]

Teasers like neighbor

[severe merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/donnovan-bennett-donnovan-sportsnet-smh-shaking-head-gif-27534091

[eager glade]

yayy

[spiral atlas]

The book in Prototype 3 the player spawns with has always made me imagine the player as like depressed, looking for some sort of thrill in life

[cunning yacht]

Well, now it start of my second headcanon... the player is a grandma/babushka

[loud karma]

imagine if the player is just nikita himself

[near hawk]

Raven Brooks is just the place.

[cunning yacht]

Twitter will get mad

[high brook]

would actually be very cool but probably not

i think he said it wasnt too

[loud karma]

mainly nikita in the outfit he wears in the first devlog

[eager glade]

i wonder if the neighbors house will stay destroyed

[severe merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-gif-5991162283305531291

[cunning yacht]

It was rebuild in reset day

[cunning yacht]

Babushka player stays!

[loud karma]

nikita gotta be the funniest and coolest guy ever

[eager glade]

yeah but its destroyed again or its just destroyed for now

[high brook]

i hope hn3 foliage gets updated and other assets

isnt it also hn3 p1 anniversary soon?

[spiral atlas]

I hope once the concept art is done we'll get to see snippets of it if not the whole thing

Kinda like how the Neighbor was teased

[high brook]

what if we got teasers of possible designs and then final design revealed later on

[loud karma]

how old can we expect the player to be to show how athletic they are compared to Quentin and Nicky

[near hawk]

The house goes through being rebuilt and destroyed so often.
First it gets built(maybe)
Then It gets destroyed.
Rebuilt.
Destroyed again.

[cunning yacht]

Its 100% a adult, we arrive in raven brooks to live there or whatever

[lusty dove]

imagine if the player protagonist is Aaron

randomly

[high brook]

hn3 should have multiple days

i feel one day is too short

[lusty dove]

but it would be interesting I guess

[near hawk]

Aaron lost all his ties to Raven Brooks 😞

[cunning yacht]

It will

[high brook]

if hn3 had 7 days that would make it like 3 hours long for a full playthrough

[severe merlin]

This book part actually is actually scrapped. It was early version, but then we sit and finalized core story, so book had to go

[lusty dove]

fortunately

[near hawk]

Ooh

[spiral atlas]

Ooooo that's cool

[high brook]

yea i didnt really like the book concept either

it made zero sense

[mellow garden]

Nikita,will be quentin alive in hn3

[loud karma]

I have one interesting question regarding Mr. Peterson's model in HN3
was there a blockout model at some point similiar to The Guest

[sonic birch]

i hope he's dead

[spiral atlas]

Can we still assume the player in HN3 has no ties to the town? Or will they have some sort of connection to the town in this finalized story?

[eager glade]

i dunno if quentin even lives in raven brooks

[near hawk]

Well it seems that he did.

Then moved out. Then back in.

[eager glade]

wait yeah i forgot about the hide and seek thing

[high brook]

in the intro deosnt quentin drive to raven brooks from somewhere else?

he went there to investigate

[loud karma]

we gonna see quentin lying down somewhere like

[near hawk]

Yes. But he probably spent part of his childhood there.

[lusty dove]

I wanna see her, even if probably she was killed by the cult

[mellow garden]

https://tenor.com/view/lelouchvoids-lulu-hello-neighbor-nicky-roth-nicholas-michael-roth-gif-3711675654594851289

[severe merlin]

Nope

[eager glade]

i keep hearing whispers in the game is that normal

[oblique parcel]

btw if i can ask back when hn3 was rbo how was guest meant to work in the game?

[loud karma]

cannot wait for Pre Alpha, we getting a decent amount of news today

[cunning yacht]

Withered Quentin

[high brook]

i still wish we had old guest model it was really cool, i know it wont be released ever though due to some stuff

[sonic birch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185377735024070696/1438531732675760148/PrimalJanusz.gif

[spiral atlas]

I wonder if Nikita has any characters he's drawn that haven't made it into the game yet or have just been scrapped entirely

[mellow garden]

https://tenor.com/view/lelouchvoids-lulu-hello-neighbor-nicky-roth-nicholas-michael-roth-gif-3711675654594851289

[gentle carbon]

I would sorta hope so tbh

[lusty dove]

Nikita, my question instead is: do you currently know who/what the guest actually is?

[severe merlin]

Of course

[high brook]

im pretty sure they dont

oh

[near hawk]

Nice to know

[cunning yacht]

He made the story lol

[lusty dove]

oh

[loud karma]

it's lowkey nice seeing nikita talk here answering some questions
meanwhile we got some random people asking for pre alpha man

[gentle carbon]

I would be worried if they hadn't planned that

[sonic birch]

most obvious question = answered

[high brook]

well im assuming its a secret for now since it must be REALLY important to the lore

[eager glade]

mayaks probably the answer

[spiral atlas]

Random question but can we expect to see any of Aaron in HN3? 👀

[high brook]

didnt nikita say his story was over

[near hawk]

Do we know if the endings are planned also end on cliffhangers in the actual game or not yet?

[lusty dove]

and last question of all (then I stop, I promise), Is its identity the same as the canon of Hello Neighbor 2? Or have the plans changed?

[sonic birch]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-rick-grimes-hospital-bed-gif-17898758641524068132

[high brook]

i wonder how drastically the lore has changed so far from p3 lore

[loud karma]

Aaron is likely dead or far away from town

[near hawk]

I got a feeling this question won't be answered.

[gentle carbon]

you know what I hope we never actually hold stuff and it just becomes canon that the player character just grabs stuff with their teeth

[spiral atlas]

(Or he's the Guest 👀 )

Whattttt who said that.

[lusty dove]

yeah, probably, but it's okay

[near hawk]

Hahaha

[high brook]

the guest is probably just the shadow guy but retconned into another form

who knows

[lusty dove]

nah

[eager glade]

hes in nickys age or smth maybe he will like stalk theo while hiding in bushes and trees just like thebooks

[west crag]

youre done

The Thing is NOT The Guest

[sonic birch]

no

[eager glade]

we literally seen guest and thing 1v1

/j

[loud karma]

https://tenor.com/view/monsterhouse-monster-house-drag-me-gif-23787468

[gentle carbon]

isn't Shadow guy just a representation of trauma

[loud karma]

Dogger in a few seconds

[eager glade]

yea

[high brook]

wasnt this slightly retconned in the show though

[near hawk]

I mean, I could see the guest be some symbolical/metaphorical figure like the thing

[west crag]

no

[severe merlin]

Not sure if I understand your question

[near hawk]

Yeah it's like different in the show a little.

[gentle carbon]

all I remember with him in the show was a drawing and him showing up with the traumatized child... as truama

its been awhile since I watched it

[spiral atlas]

I think he's asking if the Guest in HN3 has the same identity as the Guest in HN2

[severe merlin]

Of fear

[eager glade]

wasnt he called fake guest in the files

[loud karma]

Nikita on here sometimes

[gentle carbon]

I lowkey forgot the guest was in HN2

[high brook]

i wonder if nikita will make more ost for hn3 unless its just the other person

i forgot their name

[night vigil]

Nikita literally always:

[mellow garden]

https://tenor.com/view/i-disagree-disagreement-hello-neighbor-hello-neighbour-theodore-peterson-gif-17515735228260061811

[lusty dove]

The guest's identity was already changed during the development of Hello Guest (initially it was supposed to be Theodore). I wanted to know if there was another change in the story for HN3

[near hawk]

That's just normal Nikita.

[severe merlin]

I don’t know his identity in HN2. I haven’t worked on that story.

[lusty dove]

oh okay

[near hawk]

Ooh...

[high brook]

i dont think guest even had identity in hn2 since the whole act 2 thing was scrapped

unless we can just get the lore from patch 10

if its even still out there

[eager glade]

weeird how guests skin is exposed in hn3 and not in hn2...

[loud karma]

Nikita mainly worked on the story of HN2 until Alpha 2 and then alot of things changed

[eager glade]

and whats also weird is why he looked normal in hn2

and whats also weird.. is why he decayed like that..

[spiral atlas]

I don't know if you can answer this Nikita, but is this intentional? The person in this newspaper looks a LOT like Franklin from the animated series.

[eager glade]

hmm who can i think of

[near hawk]

Okay my prediction is the answer will be no.

[eager glade]

same ears similar hair similar shirt

[night vigil]

He was just some sort of monster, nothing more than that

[eager glade]

hmm

[gentle carbon]

what did I say? oh wow that was full on muscle memory

[lusty dove]

The point is that in Hello Neighbor 2 and Hello Neighbor Search and Rescue, the guest seems otherworldly or inhuman, but then other sources suggest that this is not the case at all, and this has always created confusion in the HN lore.

[eager glade]

i dont think nikita even seen the show right?

[near hawk]

I think it's fairly simple ngl.

[high brook]

didnt nikita work on show? or am i misrembering

[lusty dove]

oh I noticed this now

[lusty dove]

I think no

[eager glade]

i think it was alex

[near hawk]

I mean, in the case that the guest really isn't supernatural there, it can always be imagination or symbolism, as HN is known for.

[eager glade]

dunno tbh

[near hawk]

Oh he didn't.

[spiral atlas]

A lot of people seem to think it's not Franklin and some people do think it's him, some clarification would be nice if you can share that

[eager glade]

people are missing not just those 2 i wonder who the "people" are

[lusty dove]

But in HN2, it can strike us with its beak and capture us, as if it was part of its body. In HN3, the beak appears to be fake, held together by strings.

[eager glade]

thats interestimg

hopefully hn3 wil give us more newspapers just like this

[loud karma]

i wish we got some additional book character representation in the games
other than the usual characters like Lucy Yi

[near hawk]

This sounds an odd amount as if I'm saying symbolism and imagination are the same thing despite being very very different stuff.

[severe merlin]

I’ve seen it, but not “worked” on it. I’ve shared some thoughts and gave some feedback, not sure if it was taken into consideration, though.

[eager glade]

i feel like the lady in the left is lisa peterson for some reason cuz if franklins missing a long time ago (if its franklin) and lisa somewhere in 80s i think then theyd mention her brother for this too

[eager glade]

what are your thoughts on it to the lore?

if u can answer

[spiral atlas]

I wonder if we'll see any returning characters beside The Guest and Peterson

[late veldt]

im still on team man in the hat returning

hes my favorite guy he deserves another chance...

[near hawk]

He'd fit so well in HN3 too

[late veldt]

i still think hes the one staying in that weird boarded up hotel room in prototype 3

[eager glade]

i agree with that

itd be nice to see him

[spiral atlas]

I hope MiTH returns, that'd be cool

I just need more Aaron

[restive oxide]

question, are there any scrapped hn3 characters? or are the current ones the only ones?

[late veldt]

nikita idk if you're still reading the chat right now ut im actually curious what is your stance on returning characters?

[eager glade]

aarons important in s3 remember that..

[spiral atlas]

This is true

[near hawk]

He said he can't reveal those at one point iirc. This isn't at all the same thing but could low-key give it away.

[late veldt]

is it just whether or not theres a good idea for them or is it like certain characters just wouldnt work with hn3s story

[spiral atlas]

I mean there is mentions of characters like Lucy and (possibly) Franklin

I don't think he's opposed to the idea of it in general

[eager glade]

thinking about it

elements from the book and AS have been included in hn3

lucy franklin mayak

[late veldt]

...the mayak isnt as specific lol

[eager glade]

wdym

[near hawk]

The mayak first appeared in the games no?

[late veldt]

the mayak was literally ground zero for all of this all the way back in book 4

it predates hn2s announcement

[eager glade]

i mean yes but seriously did that give us anything?

[late veldt]

hgs announcement as well actually

[late veldt]

i mean the books gave us quite a bit

[near hawk]

It's not really an element from the Show or books I would say

[spiral atlas]

I'm pretty certain the Mayak will show up and be where Peterson is hiding

[eager glade]

we know mayak quite more thanks to the books and as

[pseudo spoke]

Bit of a strange question
If there are elements of the design that are final, and you could use a single word to describe one of them, what word would you choose?

[near hawk]

HN3 or show you mean?

I assume HN3.

[eager glade]

i dont think we even see the eyeball in the gn2 weatherstation

[spiral atlas]

Yes

HN3

[near hawk]

Yeah we don't

[eager glade]

so its probably a different weather station

[late veldt]

...its not

[near hawk]

Meh

[spiral atlas]

It's the Mayak

[late veldt]

why would there be-

[near hawk]

2 weathers stations is weird

[late veldt]

i mean tbf there are two weird science locations in rb but the observatory isnt a 2nd weather station lol

[near hawk]

But also...

[eager glade]

but the eye guyss

[spiral atlas]

GN2 has Ted literally say he's "finishing their work" referring to the machine he uses to flood the town

"their" likely refers to his parents who owned the mayak

[eager glade]

theeeyeee

[near hawk]

The mayak has like 1 important feature, the eyeball, and they didn't even add that 😭😭😭

[eager glade]

oh wait now it makes sense

[severe merlin]

Not sure what you mean. Describe character in one word?

[pseudo spoke]

Not really the character as a whole, I guess. Just an element about their design

[eager glade]

i didnt read gn2 so yeah it would still be cool to see mayak tho rebuilt or abandoned or more tunnels undergrounds

[severe merlin]

That’s hard

[spiral atlas]

Is there one word you could use to describe the player character's story?

[delicate sigil]

I could imagine the player just being more of a blank slate with the game seeming to be a lot about player freedom, but I dont know a whole bunch about Hello Neighbor lore

[drifting heath]

So now all the projects you haven't worked on are irrelevant to the story?

[gentle carbon]

from what I've read they seem to have a "story"

[atomic forge]

You're saying you don't know the identity of the guest from hn2 because you didn't work on the project. So you don't know the entire plot of hn2 because you didn't work on it? Does that mean hn2 is becoming a dud?

[lucid crescent]

Nikita will we get a trailer

[crystal hare]

I like the questions here lol

Especially about the story

[keen hemlock]

give me janusz final model and i can rest peacefully ✌️

[severe merlin]

They are totally relevant, just not in a way you’d think (as I usually say)

[keen hemlock]

is it related to mayak?

the way everything is connected like that

[severe merlin]

Short answer is - yes

[keen hemlock]

damn...

[spiral atlas]

You probably can't answer this but will HN3 go into more detail about the story and mayak?

[keen hemlock]

well theres that one newspaper in the museum

[spiral atlas]

Yeah, I just mean more so how the Mayak makes everything canon and stuff

I'm assuming the answer is yes but yknow

[keen hemlock]

hn3 might actually pull a generational cook with the story

[spiral atlas]

Never hurts to ask

[keen hemlock]

maybe the cartoon will deliver some of that

[spiral atlas]

Maybe 🤷‍♂️

[keen hemlock]

and honestly its been 6 years since we know of mayak and we know basically nothing

a few more years and its gonna be really dragging it

[lunar trail]

wait so this means everything being canon because of mayak is still the case

[delicate sigil]

Nikita, would you say that Breaking & Entering / stealthing around AI's is still a significant part of Hello Neighbor 3 or does it fade more in the background with other types of influencing the events in the game taking the spotlight instead? This question might've been asked before I'm not too active here

[broken galleon]

where did everyone from 2024 go bru

[granite pike]

What's with Aaron, maaanhh, what's with Aaron 😔😔😔

[near hawk]

Given how the yes is the short answer, it's probably just a teeny tiny bit more complimicated

[delicate sigil]

Aren't you the person that had a name with bubble something in it back then

[eager glade]

True

[broken galleon]

yes I am hello I remember you

[eager glade]

some left it

[near hawk]

Banished! Dissavowed! Vanished like a cloud of dirty hipster vape.

[eager glade]

I need the good times back

[delicate sigil]

No way, yeah I just kind of come and go with hello neighbor stuff

fast rotating interests

[near hawk]

Hehe no one remembers me because I barely used discord back then and I lowkey wanna keep my identity a secret (it was a different account is all I will say though)

[delicate sigil]

also after the whole patch 10 situation I was quite disappointed with the franchise and left for a bit

[broken galleon]

think most people left after patch 10

when hn3 was announced

[eager glade]

Yeah

this one guy just hates hn now he's done with it

[delicate sigil]

HN3 is cool but waiting so long for patch 10 just for it to suddenly be gone was quite the shock

[eager glade]

yeah even tho we kinda knew that would happen

[delicate sigil]

Im atleast glad theres still hello neighbor being made even if itll take a while to be more complete

[chrome sun]

Nikita, this might be a story question but what is the players name?

[lucid crescent]

He doesn't answer story questions

[lunar trail]

does the characters name count as a story question?

[delicate sigil]

I wonder what the main char will look like considering right now we're still just a jacob clone

[eager glade]

It's cool for it to take a while and it should take a while

More hype and maybe a better game if hn3 goes good

[lunar trail]

dunno if you saw it but Nikita is working on the design #hn3-discussion message

[delicate sigil]

Oh I didn't see that, that's pretty cool

I wonder if it'll be shown off like some other designs or maybe the next devlog

[lunar trail]

Hopefully we see it soon after it's finished

[delicate sigil]

I wonder if itll be one character, considering there used to be the option to pick between jacob and iris IIRC similar to how you could pick between Beatrix and Quentin back in Hello Guest, but im guessing that's scrapped

[eager glade]

Maybe in the next devlog

[wild girder]

Heck yeah! I'm so darn excited!

I'm hoping they have long sleeves and gloves.

[sonic birch]

that would be cool

[pseudo spoke]

Personally think it'd be interesting to see a Gender-Neutral type of player character
But whatever the case, I'm excited to see the design and learn about them in the future

[fair oriole]

Or just no player model to begin with.

1. No need for animations (saves extra game dev time).
2. There's no weird clipping issues with the character model.
3. The player can just project themselves onto the character, leaving more room for creativity.

[lucid crescent]

Never gonna happen

[pseudo spoke]

Well Nikita's currently in the process of making the design soooo.....

[lucid crescent]

2026

[fair oriole]

He could reuse the character for an NPC I suppose

[pseudo spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-not-woke-of-you-gif-9661978732600806729

[lucid crescent]

Jacob

[fair oriole]

I wouldn't necessarily see it as a downgrade.

I guess it'd be inconsistent.

[delicate sigil]

I agree it would feel off if hn3 lacked a playermodel, adds a more polished feel to the game overall and it would feel strange if hn3 lacked one especially since all the prototypes have one too

[fair oriole]

Hmm, I guess having a player character model could also be used for story telling, in the way of portraying the characters emotions via cutscenes.
Like in HN1 we know that Nicky was traumatized by the neighbor, because we can see the fear in his facial animations.

True, it also leads to a more stylized approach.
HN always had nice animations, which portray the characters emotions, without them ever speaking a single word.

That'd be cool

Being able to choose your character

[obtuse hornet]

Nah, a better thing would be that we could choose to play as a cat

Exactly

[chrome sun]

True

[cerulean meteor]

the people yearn for imbir

[earnest cape]

This might be story related if it has a big role but if you can answer Nikita, is Mayak going to be present in HN3 possibly a location?

[thick ferry]

I mean we had beatrix

In hg

But I agree with u I hope we get a female protagonist

[earnest cape]

Honestly will be happy either way as long as they have their own character and story.

[thick ferry]

True

[earnest cape]

They gotta have that HN3 style vibe with them that’s for sure. Knowing the theme of the game I think they will have a very unhomely vibe with their design.

[thick ferry]

I really love the hn3 atmosphere

It reminds me of my childhood city in sweden

[earnest cape]

Yeah for sure HN3s atmosphere is really great and the designs are really unique. The Guest design is easily one of the best artistic redesigns I’ve seen for a character.

[thick ferry]

I also like the guest design too. Something about the design is really cool and idk how to explain it

And I like the neighbors design too

He looks menacing than before

[earnest cape]

The neighbor is another good redesign, the buttons on his sweater, no gloves and instead boots. His face being more tired looking. They’ve done a great job with the design and making him his own unique look for HN3.

A lot of the games straight up just copy paste the same theme and style of the neighbor but this game made him so much different.

[thick ferry]

I forgot he didn’t have gloves this time

[earnest cape]

Mhm.

Such a small change that represents so much. It goes to show how after time has passed he’s grown tired and given up on certain goals. So he doesn’t need his gloves anymore.

[thick ferry]

I really wonder what his role is gonna be

I mean it’s gonna be like the others but

It’s probably gonna be completely different than others

[thick ferry]

Honestly hes been through so much

[earnest cape]

Him not wearing his gloves is such an impactful thing with his character. Since he wore them to do dirty work and his plans. Getting revenge on the cult and hiding his secrets. Not wearing them just shows that time has passed and he’s let go of that mindset.

[thick ferry]

I think he moved on from grieving dianes and mayas deaths given that many years have passed by the time the game is set in the 2020s i think

[earnest cape]

It’s set in 2028 so yeah a lot of times passed. He’s most likely moved on.

[daring forge]

I have a theory on what the main character of HN3 might look like. (I don’t have proof or anything, it’s more of a guess than a theory).

[daring forge]

For anyone wondering this is a character Nikita drew a long time ago.

[sleek moat]

oh cool

[gleaming acorn]

...blue sweater?... gloves?... Could it be?

[chrome sun]

Pre-Alpha Man?

[eager glade]

Pretty cool theory

[thick ferry]

I love the way Nikita draws his characters

[peak solar]

It's really interesting knowing that a character is being made right now

[untold grotto]

empathy man

[restive oxide]

this is for a different game

obviously

[daring forge]

yeah

[errant pewter]

Where's thus from anyway

[ionic ferry]

а чо все на англиском разговаривают

[eager glade]

Is your status the big five nights

[near hawk]

Well uhh... We had Mya I guess.

Trinity.

And Piper in that one novel.

[eager glade]

it would be cool if they made interactive novels

[near hawk]

Yeah

I wonder what the plot could be

Maybe the island plot.

[eager glade]

Maybe it'd be hn3 related book

Because if it's an interactive novel

Then every choice we make..

Is the right one.

Heh

[near hawk]

I guess but it's a little repetitive

I'd prefer something new

[near hawk]

Although we did get novels for Nicky's trilogy so maybe smth about the town until the Stranger arrived would also work.

[eager glade]

Yeah

[near hawk]

But who would be the protagonist?

Janusz? Iris? Oh I'd really like Iris actually

Or Ted...

Or the guest...

[eager glade]

I have a feeling a hn3 book cover would be signed

Yknow I feel like a hn3 book should be about vandals and guest and why they are making this cult ritual

[near hawk]

Although, an interactive novel wouldn't actually work for any of them too well because there is one fixed way it can end that has to be found in HN3

[eager glade]

Yea

[near hawk]

Or maybe it can be the perspective of another character during HN3

Their endings could match up with the possible endings in HN3

What were you trying to send

[eager glade]

It might describe the guest with his beak off

that would be cool

Imo should be focused on vandals

[near hawk]

Oh my I need a book that is only about describing the guest's face

Literally nothing goes on in it, it's just a 200 page-long description of the guest's unmasked face.

[obtuse hornet]

And his face is actual eldritch horror

[near hawk]

Yes sir

[thick ferry]

I hate that they scrapped her
I wish they can reuse her at some point maybe

She’s like my favorite character

Me too! Theres just something about her design that feels really special to me idk why

I like iris too

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-3-theodore-peterson-hello-neighbor-3-trailer-hello-neighbor-3-prototype-3-hello-neighbor-3-hello-neighbor-gif-2955468376751294895

[near hawk]

Iris is goated high key

[near hawk]

I really like how her hair looks for some reason. Even outside of design, I see a really cool story for her.

[obtuse hornet]

#justiceforbeatrix

[limpid cosmos]

i think aaron will be an adult in hn3

[near hawk]

He should be.

He's like 45 by this point in the timeline.

[limpid cosmos]

no way bro

[near hawk]

Yeah he's born in 1983 and it's 2028 in the game.

[thick ferry]

Yes!!!!!!

[wooden condor]

Guys!! Jacob's house located in the same place, as taxidermist's house in hn2.

[gentle carbon]

tbh I entirely gave up on anything in the town being in the same place as somewhere else

[haughty tide]

I honestly don't know why Jacobs house is located like that.

[delicate sigil]

Didnt jacobs house have a strangely similar lightning rod tower on top of it too in proto 2 or something

[crystal hare]

Exhaustively btw

[wooden condor]

Yeeh

[haughty tide]

When I first went into that house. I thought it was a abandoned house, I at first didn't know that it was Jacobs house. It is so strange.

[wooden condor]

Yess

Even the basement is simmilar

[gentle carbon]

I hope the houses get more personalized later

[haughty tide]

Yeah I hope so.

[wooden condor]

Anyway, the theory is: Jacob is Mr. Otto's grandson.

[haughty tide]

That could be a interesting theory.

[gentle carbon]

I really wonder how we will like, learn about characters in the final release

without being able to talk with them

[haughty tide]

Well we can help out the characters with their journey or give them something nice.

[gentle carbon]

are there just more houses?

is there something I can watch to learn about the cut act 2? I know like nothing about this

I think I heard of it a long time ago

kinda forgot about it

I assume that was update 10 or what not

kinda crazy thing to cut tbh

yeah its just like, now the game ends on a "twist" that will never technically be solved in game. also game still ends with the "we have more planned" message, which I find funny

these bots kinda suck

I guess they did add the stuff with the forest to HN2.... for some reason. I dont know what the point of that was

never played it

seemed annoying

was that one detective guy ever actually used in any official releases? or was he scrapped after being in like every version of HN2 before

thats actually pretty cool, I also thought the HN3 town was a lot bigger

[delicate sigil]

makes me wonder if whoever designed HN2's final map also designed HN3's (I assume nikita) or if they had some influence on it

I think it might be more of a coincidence caused by having the same influences of map design but it has too many differences to be intentional imo

the rivers and stuff are quite different and the entire town style

The museum is in a completely different location for example

[near hawk]

Patch 9 was supposed to be it. Then It came out unfinished pretty much.

[delicate sigil]

Everything is like rusty and old as hell in hn3 though

doesnt look like it was rebuilt at all anytime recent

[near hawk]

Also there was this video on tB's YouTube channel that has like a cutscene for how it should start

[delicate sigil]

I know but it still seems too worn down to be that timeframe

[eager glade]

85 in hn3

I think he was born in 1943

[near hawk]

Yes

HN2 is in 1996 so he's like 53

[delicate sigil]

I dont see raven brooks being rebuild with far more buildings then just being abandoned right away again seems strange to me unless this is explained in lore or something

[near hawk]

Used to be 47-51 but got changed a little iirc

[delicate sigil]

Nikita already confirmed that he doesnt know about hn2's lore kinda implying hn2 and hn3 have seperate lore

Didnt he

[near hawk]

Idk why but I like to think it's because they wanted Ted to be a round amount older than Nicky(born in 1983)

Yes but also Nikita doesn't even know the identity of the guest in HN2 but does in HN3

It's still all connected, still related to mayak, but unknown how

[delicate sigil]

But doesnt that imply the guest are entirely different characters in hn2 and 3

Didn't he use the word relevant, not canon?

[near hawk]

Different perspectives are probably part of it, as I see it right now it's all different takes on the franchise both from Alex and Nikita and you basically pick and choose what you like most.

[near hawk]

He used canon too

[delicate sigil]

Ah im thinking about a different message

[near hawk]

Yeah the more recent one is the one about relevancy

[narrow gust]

The museum is roughly in the same general area here

[near hawk]

But the one about canon is most likely still true

They probably didn't change the story too much from a little less than 2 years ago

[delicate sigil]

Isnt that the amusement park

[narrow gust]

I think your right actually

[delicate sigil]

it has the little hang up things I dont know what theyre called

isnt the museum the top left of the HN3 picture

yeah but it does seem a bit too inconsistent to be an intential map design, maybe they tried to make it look a bit similar but i dunno i feel like if it was intentional there wouldnt be such differences

HN3 map also has a way more mountain-y landscape than hn2 doesn it

Well I cant disagree that they have similarities but I think its more like hn1+2 where hn2 is a reimagination of raven brooks whereas hn1 just had a very basic one, and now hn3 is reimagining hn2's raven brooks, shares some traits but it is different

[eager glade]

It's like the hn2 alpha mostly

[delicate sigil]

I do still have doubts about the town being hn2 accurate as the architecture just looks far too old to be rebuilt post-hn2

Thats why I think its more of a reimagination of raven brooks using traits from the HN2 map but ultimately being more of a new thing

[eager glade]

theo did rebuild his house In reset day right?

Other things also got rebuilt bakery and cable cars and also the museum

[near hawk]

Seems like it.

Not even one your head.

A masterpiece in every sense of the word

[delicate sigil]

Yeah it just seem a bit off to me why the town would be in a storm, then get rebuilt with even more buildings than hn2 just to all be destroyed again.

Interesting, dont know too much about the golden apple amusement park lore but thats a good theory

[wooden condor]

hn2 is non-canon, btw.

The devs confirmed

[neon ether]

Pre-alpha is good.

[wooden condor]

But hn3 is litterraly canon according to hn1, and the lore itself

[haughty tide]

wait what?

[neon ether]

Hn2 is prototype 0.5 of HN3 but fullprice

[tawny tendon]

Where did they confirm it?

[wooden condor]

Yes, i think, somewhere in hn2 timeline town was originally destroyed by the storm, so hn2 is the alternative universe, where it wasn't destroyed.

[wooden condor]

Nikita did, i think

[tawny tendon]

where 😭

[neon ether]

[haughty tide]

welp i guess we can skip on hn2 since it's not canon to the nikita's version of hn.

[wooden condor]

I can't remember, i just know it was

[tawny tendon]

you really can't be saying stuff without direct proof 😓

[wooden condor]

Btw, early hn2 was destroyed, so it supposed to be canon

[neon ether]

Nikita didn't work on Hello Neighbor 2 lore, but he didn't say that its not canon.

[severe merlin]

Correct

[tawny tendon]

?! 😨

[haughty tide]

oh my goodness, he's here...

[neon ether]

Huh

So easy

[wooden condor]

Yes, but it's a big oppinion in russian comunity, i think it was said somewhere.

[wooden condor]

So, it is an alternative timeline? Scince hn3 map is kinda based on hn2 one.

[untold grotto]

no

[neon ether]

It's just one way of all storyline, maybe. Like butterfly effect?

Hmm

[untold grotto]

its just like

[brave thunder]

mostly nope

[untold grotto]

almost 30 year after

[wooden condor]

Yes, i meant universe, not timeline.

Im dumb, sorry

[untold grotto]

32 actually

[untold grotto]

theres not a multiverse

as nikita said

[haughty tide]

so does hello neighbor 2 even matter at this point?

[neon ether]

Nikita, you basically told us everything in the first part, but the only question that has been haunting me for millions of years is why does the TV work without a wire?

[tawny tendon]

it's powered by a mouse in a wheel

[untold grotto]

its a alex queston

[tawny tendon]

trust me

[untold grotto]

not nikita

[mighty orchid]

It’s a smart tv

[untold grotto]

oh wait no

[tawny tendon]

Smart

[untold grotto]

i thought he was talking about why making AS without any profit

im just schizo i gues

[neon ether]

Why isn't the lawn mower cutting the grass?

[mighty orchid]

You guest you mean

[untold grotto]

that was a karvilax reference 😈

[near hawk]

That was what people believed back in the old lore/new lore days.

[wooden condor]

Not multiverse, one single alt-verse of late 90-s when storm not happened, it is litterary the same raven brooks as hn3, but not destroyed,

[neon ether]

I need a glass of water...

[untold grotto]

hn3 is in

2028

[severe merlin]

HN3 map does not based on HN2 map at all. Where you get that idea? 🙂
it’s not alternative timeline either. HN works a little bit different.

[wooden condor]

Yes

[untold grotto]

yeah that was what i was about to say

[tawny tendon]

Hello Neighbor 3 will be real in 2 years 🤯

[neon ether]

Hello Neighbor is System.

[severe merlin]

Correct

[thick tendon]

Nikita, since you don't know who the guest is in HN2, haven't you tried asking TinyBuild?

[near hawk]

Only if you dare go to Raven Brooks.

[tawny tendon]

What

[haughty tide]

i'm pretty sure that was accidental.

[tawny tendon]

It's not even the same ngl 😭

[mighty orchid]

Probably just a coincidence

[tawny tendon]

I will, and I will not come out alive 😔

[wooden condor]

hn2 is an alt verse, it is just npt canon, cuz storm happened it that timeline

[near hawk]

Just take some cake with you

[tawny tendon]

Im already in Raven Brooks, if you count Poland as it

[tawny tendon]

okay!

[wooden condor]

Well, in that case

I dont know

[brave thunder]

this is like saying Nicky and guest having similar clothes so they're the same person

[wooden condor]

What is even happening here

Bro

I go sleep

[near hawk]

Give them to the guy with a beak on his head and no one will dare go next you

[haughty tide]

good idea.

[wooden condor]

Ok

[untold grotto]

acting like storm isnt happening after hn2

[little onyx]

comparing hello neighbor 3's raven brooks map to any other is not something you can do, as all of them are clearly different visions of the town and don't need to line up at all

not every detail needs to be consistent, just what the game needs is what the town will have

[mighty orchid]

I see what you mean they both have a road that goes in a circle but that’s all I’m seeing

[wooden condor]

I have 11PM, so i can say weird things, cuz i wanna sleep

[signal geyser]

Why use xn2 when you can use xn3. And Janusz

[mighty orchid]

Am I missing the point?

[wooden condor]

Me too

[haughty tide]

well then maybe you should go to sleep. being this late could make you pretty tired.

[near hawk]

Perspective my beloved

[little onyx]

anything that lines up with hn2 is most likely unintentional because ideally nikita is not making this game with hn2 in mind at all

[signal geyser]

Is Janusz married?:(

[neon ether]

Iris

?

[mighty orchid]

I was just trying to understand your point with the circles but I might not have looked at it the way everyone talked about

[haughty tide]

no he's not. he lives alone in his bakery.

[neon ether]

Janusz

Every day

[wooden condor]

Well, i think, that hn2 is absolutely non canon, and it has not related to hn3, and the map simmilarities, is just coincidences.

If i get it right.

[little onyx]

hn2 doesn't have to be non canon, it can just be unrelated

the canon does not matter at all

[tawny tendon]

Go to sleep

😭

[mighty orchid]

I thought it was canon?

[signal geyser]

What about the Vandal Woman? She looks like his daughter

[wooden condor]

Fine.

[haughty tide]

i think that hn2 is not canon at all.

[little onyx]

i don't think it matters if it's canon or not because hn3 will not be related to it

it can be whatever you want

[tawny tendon]

I like to think it's canon 🔥

[errant pewter]

hn2 doesn't have to be unrelated or non-canon or canon because the game actually has like

no story substance at all outside of "Everyone is a cultist" which was told through AS

so technically it doesn't matter that much outside of the basic plot

[little onyx]

yeah there is nothing substantial to hn2 that would change how hn3 goes in any way

hn3 does not need hn2 at all

[signal geyser]

HN 2 CANON. But HN2 not needed HN3

[severe merlin]

That’s absolutely far fetched 🙂
by that logic Raven Brooks based on Grove Street from GTA SA

[little onyx]

will CJ be in hn3

[tawny tendon]

😭

Good to know I can now make Trinity drive a car into a pool

[severe merlin]

Everything is canon

[wooden condor]

I also meant the neighbor's house location, and the house behind the neighbor's house.

[near hawk]

Just not in the way we think

[wooden condor]

Ok, in that case

[little onyx]

there are just different storytellers who change it based on how they see things

[signal geyser]

Why? Don't you care about the games in the franchise?

[severe merlin]

Not sure how those are aligned. Can you show me?

[near hawk]

It does somehow tie back to mayak too in one way or another, maybe it has some symbolical role

[neon ether]

I see Hello Neighbor 3 as a warm and cozy game, like I'm in Caroline World.

Very Atmospheric

[little onyx]

hn2 and hn1 raven brooks are already wildly different, i do not think we need to keep it consistent when it doesn't matter for the story

[signal geyser]

Hello engineer?

[haughty tide]

you know everytime you say that everything is canon but not the way we think. i sometimes don't get that, so how do you think it's canon like?

[wooden condor]

The taxidermist house, is located in the same spot as jacob's house, i say.

[stone elk]

Yes but not in the way you think "He will say"

[near hawk]

Imagination 🌈

[delicate sigil]

Called it but it's nice to have a conformation

[tawny tendon]

Devs have been saying everything is canon but not in the way we think for years im sure 😭

so im sure this applies to this too

[near hawk]

Mainly Nikita and Alex

[severe merlin]

What do you mean?

[earnest cape]

There is a huge depth for where the lake would be and with what seems to be water drained or disappearing from rivers it doesn’t seem weird to say that.

[drifting heath]

Jacob's house is located in the same place where the Taxidermist's house was in HN2. And the bridge to this house is the same in both games, except HN2 has a river, while HN3 doesn't.

[little onyx]

it's because the events can happen but the details do not matter

[wooden condor]

Bro, what do you mean?

[earnest cape]

You know now that we’re in pre-alpha stage I wonder if we’ll get mechanics like climbing.

[neon ether]

Perhaps Nikita means that to some extent, we can interpret the plot of Hello Neighbor in relation to personal situations and experiences, it's like a painting, everyone sees what they should. Hence the attitude towards Mr. Peterson, some condemn, some sympathize, and some just understand him.

[near hawk]

Pretty sure Nikita already said we won't

[errant pewter]

maybe pull ups like in HN2 alphas but I don't think we really need more "climbing" than that

[signal geyser]

HN2 is too important to forget about. Cult, Guest. The cartoon is still being released, and its ending should be related to the next game. Shouldn't it?

[errant pewter]

what's xn2

[near hawk]

Or at least said his stance on it, and from that it's very likely it won't be there

[tawny tendon]

What are you even saying 😭

[mighty orchid]

What is xn2

[bleak solar]

least painful argument ever.

[earnest cape]

HN3 is its own story, the lore and everything from past games connect but it doesn’t have to be a direct continuation.

[haughty tide]

i think he mispelled hn2.

[near hawk]

Wut

[errant pewter]

these buildings almost don't allign at all. you're asking for consistency in an incredibly nitpicky way

[mighty orchid]

Oh okay

[severe merlin]

Why taxidermist? I thought you were talking about Neighbor house. I am confused 🙂

[thick tendon]

Always when Nikita doesn't know how to answer a question, he writes "What do you mean?"

[errant pewter]

that's a reasonable thing to write

[tawny tendon]

I mean, valid 😓

[near hawk]

I can't really imagine what else you'd write in that case lol.

[haughty tide]

i think he was talking about of how both houses are similar located to each other.

[earnest cape]

His house is in the same spot as Jacob’s would be and Jacob’s home is surrounded by a large drop where a lake would’ve been just like the taxidermist home.

[errant pewter]

what

[delicate sigil]

This was a discussion earlier about how the neighbors house, the taxidermists house, and the lakes nearby (empty in hn3) sorta allign with hn3's buildings, which caused some people to think that hn3's map was gonna be HN2's map

[stable hill]

I think all of this will be explored in greater depth and ‘explained’ in wtrb

[near hawk]

I feel like... Like we've taken too much liberty in asking lore questions.

[signal geyser]

The cartoon should connect the second part with the third, because we still have a big hole between them

[tawny tendon]

Not.. really..?

[near hawk]

It wouldn't either way, it takes place before HN2 as it seems.

[severe merlin]

There are no rules how to tell stories. Like take Silent Hill for example. SH2 is not direct continuation of the first game.

[little onyx]

hn3 raven brooks to begin with is not a place to see as "legitimate" because you can kind of piece together that it's a version of raven brooks made from how people living outside of the town perceive it

this is why the guest is also unlikely to be a concrete mystery in the game, he can be whatever. I imagine the guest in prototype 3 was just a creature based on the legend and nothing more

it's like a storybook town that changes every time someone makes up a new thing about the town, which is why there are different endings because it will be whatever people choose to tell you, and it ends at a campfire

[earnest cape]

Exactly.

Same lore different story.

[tawny tendon]

Did you forget about the books? The Cartoon is way different than the books 👀 Not every single piece of media needs to be the same, it would get pretty boring after a while

[near hawk]

Goated Grandeturisto. Or just Grandeturisto, same thing.

[tawny tendon]

Everything can be connected without it being obvious

[errant pewter]

except it's not obliged to do that

at all

and that's definitely not the plan because 2/3 seasons don't "connect" anything to anywhere

[near hawk]

Non linear storytelling is really cool.

[severe merlin]

I understood 🙂 that’s why I asked to show how Neighbor’s house is aligned between HN2 and HN3
I got confused when taxidermist popped up

[signal geyser]

"Fans will fill in the plot holes"

[little onyx]

so on that note grove street will be in hn3?

[tawny tendon]

Not a big fan of it, but it can be good!

[mighty orchid]

I prefer linear but that could just be me not understanding how to follow nonlinear

[tawny tendon]

It's fine, same 😭

I just enjoy the stuff I get, I worry about the lore later on

[earnest cape]

You still have building around the neighbors home like the background homes in HN2, also there’s the street path in HN2 by the neighbors home that seems very similar to a path in alignment to the neighbors home in HN3.

[severe merlin]

You are pretty close to the idea. Not exactly on point, but direction is very correct.

[near hawk]

True. Sometimes people get too absorbed in what's canon they forget to just enjoy the media

[little onyx]

this is a good comparison, because i think the way raven brooks and the citizens work in hn3 is a lot like the silent hill town itself (in theory)
speaking of silent hill i am curious if you have played silent hill f

[tawny tendon]

I remember being fried for enjoying Hello Engineer 😭

[drifting heath]

so the hn 3 map is slightly based on the hn 2 map?

[signal geyser]

Boy or girl, the books are not a canon. Nikita did not work on them. so do not even mention them. And books and cartoons are legends. And legends can get distorted when they're told

[tawny tendon]

So.. HN2 isn't canon too...? 😭

[severe merlin]

Nope

[tawny tendon]

Again, everything is canon as Nikita said

[signal geyser]

Yes. We ignore this game.

[tawny tendon]

I don't understand your logic, really

[haughty tide]

yeah it wasn't. they just look similar.

[earnest cape]

So it’s just coincidental the similarities.

[tawny tendon]

I am not ignoring it, actually! I enjoy it a lot 👀

[little onyx]

yea

[severe merlin]

I get why people might get such idea, but all similarities (if there’s any) are accidental.

[signal geyser]

There are many things that we ignore. Not everything is newcanon

[tawny tendon]

Yeah, and not everything is non-canon 👀

[earnest cape]

Nikita you said your a silent hill fan? Are the distorted worlds and off perspectives from characters like Nicky and ideas for Quentin based off SH protagonist like James?

[signal geyser]

HN3 is 100% canonical. We don't take the rest seriously

[little onyx]

does canon matter that much

[tawny tendon]

Ragebait at this point 😭

Boo! I read the books!

okay, sorry

[little onyx]

i don't think canon should matter nearly as much as actual individual storytelling

[signal geyser]

I’m too.

[night vigil]

I think people are trying to "find a lead" as too how the story goes. Truth is, it's way more non linear than that

[near hawk]

I feel like it's a sort of build a lore thing

[night vigil]

That's a good name for it yeah

[earnest cape]

Non of HNs story is straight linear to understand. We’re going to get another psychological focus I’m guessing.

[night vigil]

That's sorta what I love it for tbh

[little onyx]

nothing in a previous game will help you solve hn3 related stuff because like most good stories it does not require an overarching lore to understand

[tawny tendon]

People care way too much about the lore than everything else and they ruin the fun for themselves ngl, I like all games from the franchise because I actually enjoy playing them

[little onyx]

everything you need is in hn3

i think nikita is trying to make hn3 a game where you can play it without being into the story/lore of the HN series

[near hawk]

Doesn't require one but an overarching story can make it more fun, imo.

[little onyx]

there is one but it will not really tie into the game at all

just small details that you do not really need to know

[near hawk]

To some people making theories and trying to figure out stuff is fun in and of itself.

[little onyx]

that is true but after prototype 3 most signs of that are not really there anymore

[drifting heath]

Accidents are not accidental🙂

[severe merlin]

Probably. Not intentionally. But I’m sure SH somehow affected my ways of storytelling

[inner moth]

hello

[tall sorrel]

which is probably why Nikita doesn't need to know the intended lore for HN2 in order to make HN3

[little onyx]

might have affected your level design too. the path from the cinema to the park feels like a silent hill thing and hn3 would be cool with more stuff like that

the underground path

[signal geyser]

Oh no… City in HN2 and city HN3 different cities?

[tawny tendon]

Honestly, what I like about HN3 is that it's pretty cozy for me, I like atmospheres like that

[inner moth]

let's say "yes"

[inner moth]

i agree

[mighty orchid]

The towns the same it’s just different for like gameplay. It’s like how hn1 is different to hn2

[signal geyser]

That would explain a lot.

[mighty orchid]

I’m pretty sure that’s how to explain it

[little onyx]

they are all raven brooks

[inner moth]

because both games take place on raven brooks but in different times

[inner moth]

yes

[signal geyser]

HN1 is a fantasy of children

[inner moth]

maybe

[tall sorrel]

I mean, from what we know a key part of HN3's philosophy is that any decision made is valid as any other
certain things can (possibly) carry over between playthroughs because they're adding onto the story of Raven Brooks (implied via: #hn3-discussion message)

[tawny tendon]

can you reword that lol

[inner moth]

i haven't thought about that

[mighty orchid]

I’m talking about the maps being different if that makes sense

[glad narwhal]

What do you feel is one character trait of The Guest that you had in mind?

[severe merlin]

You are absolutely correct. Idea is that a person can play HN3 in isolation and get full picture. Understand everything. But if it happened that person played the original game, for example, they’d get few extra bits or depth.

[manic gulch]

[inner moth]

wow

[mellow garden]

there is one similar to 1.5 devlog

[little onyx]

thats a field

[night vigil]

Oh my lord, what a discovery

[signal geyser]

There may be different places in the fantasies. And the places are the same in the books. But we can't explain why HN2 and 3 city are different.

[mellow garden]

btw its out of bounds

[tall sorrel]

actually yeah we can

HN2 is in 1996

HN3 is in 2028

there's 32 years for the town layout to change

[little onyx]

hn2 is made for gameplay purposes
hn3 is made for gameplay purposes

that is the difference

[inner moth]

so, there are no differences?

[narrow gust]

Do we know why the game specifically takes place in early Spring & not Winter or Autumn?

[little onyx]

one is made for hn2's gameplay and one is made for hn3's gameplay

[tall sorrel]

Nikita said so

[mellow garden]

Theory:raven brooks gotten rebuild over time

[mighty orchid]

I think it’s different for gameplay as well as what others put above about it being set in the future so it’ll look different. Does this make sense?

[neon ether]

Nikita, what can we expect from the interface? Will there be your own creations? A stylized backpack, item cards, or something like that?

[inner moth]

bro

[little onyx]

#rebuildthetown

[mellow garden]

im just saying to the lore or smth

[tall sorrel]

#work-in-progress message #hn3-discussion message

[inner moth]

i said bro because HN3 takes place on the future of the HN franchise

[tall sorrel]

#hn3-discussion message

[tawny tendon]

HN3 is it's own separate thing, we shouldn't really compare it to past games or smth 👀

[inner moth]

#rebuildthetown

[inner moth]

true

[signal geyser]

The landscape too?

[inner moth]

it's like HG

[narrow gust]

do we know WHY though?

[little onyx]

yeah. with the ue landscape tool.

[tall sorrel]

plus, implictly, Raven Brooks is hit by a storm after HN2, so the town could rebuild differently

[untold grotto]

HG was not really doing its own thing though

[little onyx]

whatever looks cool is what raven brooks looks like

nikita probably thought "that looks cool" and did it

[untold grotto]

HG was directly connected to hn1

[inner moth]

your right

[inner moth]

uuhmm... why?

[signal geyser]

You cool!

[narrow gust]

Nikita is typing on work in progress!

[tall sorrel]

(down to, if you compared the base HGA1 Map, paths to the Park aligned with paths that cut off due to the edge of the map in the HN1 Map)

[untold grotto]

HG was taking place during SN and after act 2, its basically hn2 plot (neighbor is wanted by the police due to nickys kidnapping)

[narrow gust]

could be nothing

[mighty orchid]

Guys I know why it’s different I just figured it out. You know how in SpongeBob they push the town a few inches over? It’s gotta be the same case that the neighbor pushed raven brooks over a few inches and presto it’s completely different

[inner moth]

oh ok

thanks

[little onyx]

the thing with hg is that the neighbor was in hiding and took aaron with him

thats what connected it to hn1

[mighty orchid]

I just wanted to put that

[glad narwhal]

We can still compare it to older games. But It’s just that this game is a new game, and more of a fresh start for something new in the franchise. It can take reference on older ideas but overall a new fresh idea. But has stuff planned previously, like bigger sandbox. Like the HN2 map. It’s not me at to be similar, like how HN1 is for from HN2. But that doesn’t mean stuff from lore can’t be in HN3 that we have seen previously. Just the maps itself aren’t similar.

[narrow gust]

nvm

[little onyx]

yes he is

[tall sorrel]

HN3 will reference everything that came before, but you can play those other games/read those other books/watch the AS to fill in the bits HN3 doesn't explain

[inner moth]

yes

[frosty summit]

SHE LOOKS GREAT!!!

[chilly breach]

Why are they blue

[idle gate]

OHHH

[inner moth]

ok that was fast

[untold grotto]

style

[inner moth]

yes

[little onyx]

for an amazing reason

[tawny tendon]

because they ate too much blueberry pudding

[celest plank]

this looks so good!!!! 😭😭😭

[chilly breach]

Makes sense

[chrome sun]

Historian looks good 👍

[neon ether]

Absolute Nikitema!

[neon ether]

[signal geyser]

Historian cool. But Nikita Well done in HNG

[thick ferry]

She looks really good

[celest plank]

the detail theyre giving to these characters is just so good

such an upgrade from hn2

[atomic carbon]

Why does Mr Peterson look like he spends all his time in his basement

[inner moth]

because that's what he does

[narrow gust]

The 3D artist succeded again

[chrome sun]

HN3 gotta be the most anticipated sequel because the OG came up with the game.🥳

[severe merlin]

Asking question in a clear and understandable form - is an art

[little onyx]

[atomic carbon]

WILL hello neighbor make a comeback

[untold grotto]

the runes on character designs has meanings right?

[neon ether]

Asking - is an art

[inner moth]

[fallow garden]

woah hey there, can you guys make a mobile beta too via testflight on iOS and the equivalent on Android? that’d be really fun haha

[chilly breach]

Hn1 style is forever my favourite but the new style is growing on me a lil

[haughty tide]

what are you talking about?!

[fallow garden]

i just wanted to voice a suggestion i had

[chrome sun]

IDK they put it on mobile

[fallow garden]

i dropped in randomly