lore-discussion

[paper atlas]

i bet the mayak shut in 50s or 60s

[eager island]

probably way more earlier

[ripe berry]

re-read the paper
it's the ritual cancelled, not the festival itself

[paper atlas]

whats the evidence

[eager island]

weather station is founded to research the storms

and in early times of town, they made a pact with the guest

[pastel isle]

"Guest" or Guest.

[eager island]

this made storms are not happening anymore

[limber ridge]

Guest

[eager island]

the guest

[eager island]

mayak stopped functioning and they shut down the place

then GA moved to another sector, such as cinema

[ripe berry]

The festival could've still occurred, but the TRADITION, the RITUAL with the statue was cancelled

[paper atlas]

just because something was built fore something dosent meen it cant be used for something else aswell

[ripe berry]

they don't say the Festival was ever cancelled
just that the traditions tied to it were

and that's when the Golden Apple Corporation start using the Guest to replace those traditions

or maybe they were already using the Guest to try to replace the tradition and by 1980 no one was following the old traditions anymore so it got cancelled

[eager island]

i always thought it like maybe they wanted festival to set in GAAP

like they wanted to move whole statue and things to there

but they couldnt make it because an aciddent happened during the opening

[ripe berry]

maybe

honestly, not sure why things could've been cancelled
we have the pieces but that detail might just not matter to HN3's storyline

[silver vine]

wdym

[eager island]

when do you think bob novak went to raven brooks

[eager island]

theres a mention of a pact in the statue runes

basically
they worshipped it
it protected town

[ripe berry]

probably only a few days before HN3
enough time for Report 13 to be noticeably missing but not enough to majorly hinder the Golden Apple Corporation's workflow

[silver vine]

what statue runes?

[ripe berry]

on the Guest Statue there's symbols in irl runes known as Elder Futhark

[eager island]

mike can you send the image that collage of all of the runes in hn3

[ripe berry]

it's outdated because i don't got current historian arm runes but

[silver vine]

and, these symbols mean that they used to worship it?

[eager island]

no

i think its like

meta storytelling for the player

in-lore they are probably just decoration

[ripe berry]

we think they're a way to hint towards a story of a character or thing with the design

[silver vine]

I dont think I still get it

[eager island]

each of these symbols has a meaning either individually or when used together

but im thinking this a storytelling way to player, in story its just decoration

[neat phoenix]

If they post a 12 tomorrow, i'm gonna believe the Count13 theory

[ripe berry]

and we believe the symbols are a way to explain the story of something within the design

[eager island]

yeah

and nikita said everything is there for a reason so yeah

[ripe berry]

which was SPECIFICALLY ABOUT the runes!

#hn3-discussion message

Isaac's ended up hinting towards the whole sacrifice plot in Prototype 3 which confirms their lore ties

[eager island]

speaking of that pretty sure isaac plot will return

since like even the name is coming from the bible

isaac means he will laugh or something and theres a story of abraham sacrificing isaac

actually not sacrificing, because god is stopping him

[ripe berry]

I STILL want a definitive answer on why the change from 1992 to 1984 for the GAAP
like even if it had to do with Leap Year stuff...
1992 is a leap year.

[toxic sage]

So same universe but some things are changed to fit the stuff? But then why are some things changed that don’t need to be changed? Like for example in like the books Maritza’s mom and/or dad are dead and she knew Mya

In the show it’s the opposite

[limber ridge]

That's not like the actual explanation it's more like a justification the way i see it.
In-universe it's different urban legends of the events in Raven Brooks each with some truth.
Also in the books Maritza's Dad isn't dead just so you know.

[paper atlas]

my idea of how different media is canon and why theres changes beyond each media 1 hello neighbor act 1 is fully how it happened act 2 is nicky trying to remember what happened/ what it felt like act 3 is just a nightmare as for 101 friendly court its just an artistic choice in damage in future in other installments (like hn3) hello neighbor hide and seek has nothing that doesn't line up normally the reason for the huge levels in hide and seek is just the childrens imagination secret neighbor is a local legend of how the search and rescue squad saved nicky this is backed up by all the magical stuff that happens in that game and them going o different locations plus the house is completely unrealistic hello neighbor 2 any small details that dont line up (maybe even the dates) are due to quintons concusion search and rescue is also a simple one this is basicly the events that actualy happend when the local legends are talking about secret neighbor the only thing that needs explaining is the "dream" seqeunces its simple tbf whenever you enter a dream state you are imiditly gassed out form a gas valve so its very likely that what happens is they start halucinating then they get found by mr peterson in the house normal just their mind twisting it due to the gas and aaron has probably lost his mind/ terified causing him to see what he dose

nickys diares/books is just nicky trying to recall what happend all those years ago in nicky diares anything that wasnt worth mentaningh in the game that was in the books is likely due to the fact of it being retconed fitting into the famouse lline everythings canon just not in the way you think (could meen just dont overthink itor in other words dont overthink the small details in the books) the survival logbook is the survival logbook the aron trilogy is likely thg esmae as the nicky trilogy since the use of 1st person pronouns

as for reset day i have no idea lol

hn3 100% how it happens

as for the 90s or 80s debate it could go like this aaron and nicky forgot (witch is unlikely) hn2 head injurey vr dosnt say same with secret neighbor and the rest its likel;y just a retcon since gaap has 100 percent beenm retconed so why not the rest

[limber ridge]

Hide and Seek did have some date inconsistencies with Nicky's triliogy i believe.

Also act 3 isn't really a nightmare

[limber ridge]

I thought so too at first, but Nikita implied there is some kind of story reason for the time loop there, despite not being actually time manipulation.
One of the 2 explanations i can think of as of now is that it's differing urban legends.
The other one is that it's more like a gameplay direction that shows some themes of HN3.

[limber ridge]

Reset day is probably an urban legend told by people outside of Raven Brooks about what happened to Piper.
(I'd like to believe it's told by those 2 friends of Piper she brought up to explain why it's so detailed)

[ripe berry]

August 1995 vs March-May 1996

[limber ridge]

Yeah that and the books present the family dynamic a bit differently than in HaS

[ripe berry]

people in 2022 adding random time loops to Piper's Story for the heck of it:

[limber ridge]

Lmao

[sinful oak]

in hello neighbor beta 3 was the player supposed to be the neighbor's son?

cuz i'm watching the old scrapped endings and it seems like it, our house is the neighbor's house too

[paper atlas]

well sort of since he dose go to sleep then we experienc it soooo......

[limber ridge]

It's not literally waking up then sleeping though.

[limber ridge]

Yes, Alpha 2-Beta 3 had us be The Neighbor's son

[sinful oak]

yeah makes alot more sense

[lucid pumice]

So is there a lore reason why people are technicolor in the Hello Neighbor universe now

[frozen marten]

Oh?

[limber ridge]

There's not one

It's just an artstyle choice for HN3

[lucid pumice]

I wonder if they'd ever redesign existing characters to match, seems everyone new is blue or green or purple.

[limber ridge]

Why would they lol

[lucid pumice]

Well it's a little jarring seeing Peterson be the only person with a real skin tone in town.

Not bad, mind you. I wouldn't want it changed. It's just a little random.

[outer herald]

how do i get free cam hello neighbour pc?

oops wrong channel

[eager island]

ernest is called CursedOne
any ideas??

[limber ridge]

Maybe he's like a very superstitious guy

[solar vale]

Maybe its just an nickname for him?

Town people calls cursed one to him i think

[versed yacht]

This is what I said in #hn3-discussion

[paper atlas]

Pretty good idea tbh

[indigo orchid]

I am not sure about how accurate that would be I am not sure when residents abandoned the festival traditions, but basically I thought what if he's considered cursed because he's currently the only person to have any kind of guest advertisement inside his building

and like considering people believe guest caused the tragedy at gaap

[paper atlas]

true true

[indigo orchid]

maybe their view could twist into believing that the guest could cause tragedies or something

[limber ridge]

Historian has a stolen sign

[indigo orchid]

and like another thing is maybe the festival was abandoned because everyone just now thinks that the guest is bad omen or anything

[indigo orchid]

yeahh I thought about that too

[paper atlas]

it was abbandend before gaap 1980

[indigo orchid]

lowkey wondering why even do that

[indigo orchid]

oh really

[paper atlas]

maybe the beilife died out

[limber ridge]

Gaap opened in 1984

[paper atlas]

thats what i was saying and teh festival canceled in 1980

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[eager island]

no

[indigo orchid]

okay I see it

[paper atlas]

?

[eager island]

the festival cancelled for another reason

the figure was not abandoned until accident

[paper atlas]

didnt sya otherwise?

[eager island]

the biggest evidence to that is GA still using the guest in that era

they wouldnt do that to an abandoned figure

[eager island]

the festival was not abandoned

there is a reason why they skipped it in that year

[paper atlas]

i didnt meen the guest was abandend i ment maybe the locals didnt believe in the god side of it like (silly use i know but) mcdoanlds employees dont pray to ronald

[eager island]

they still was going to do it in 1984

but the accident led people abandone the figure

[indigo orchid]

oh wait right it was cancelled not abandoned

[paper atlas]

the festival was stopped in 80 tho

[paper atlas]

bad wording on my behalf

[indigo orchid]

no no I thought that myslef its okay

[eager island]

there is a reason why they did not do festival on that year

while still worshipping to the figure

they did not abandoned it

[paper atlas]

hwo do we know that tho (not including the cult)

[paper atlas]

yes i know bad wording

[eager island]

them wouldnt be using The Guest figure

after festivals cancelling on 1980

[paper atlas]

one word tourism

[eager island]

there is no point of using something abandoned

[indigo orchid]

couldn't they kind of use abandoned figure for their own rebrand

[paper atlas]

there is just because thge locals didnt use it as a god any more it still would bring in toursim

[indigo orchid]

like look we got guest in brand new fresh skin

coming back again to our park opening

like seeing a chance in an abandoned figure to promote their new object

[paper atlas]

do we have an offical name for the cult? or is it just the cult

[indigo orchid]

what cult

[paper atlas]

couldnt agree more

[paper atlas]

u know the one with the guest

[indigo orchid]

like from hn2 or?

[limber ridge]

The ravens or the raven society

[paper atlas]

thx

[limber ridge]

In the books at least

[paper atlas]

books hn2 tv all of it

[eager island]

fair but that doesnt change my point

the festival was still meant to happen in 1984

but before that the accident happened and everyone abandoned the figure

[paper atlas]

prob again for torists during gaap

[eager island]

no correlation?

[paper atlas]

to contino the hype

[indigo orchid]

maybe like

[paper atlas]

keep the hype going for longer

[indigo orchid]

in 1980 the town was alerted about revamping the figure or anything

in a way like

surely the park took a few years to build

[limber ridge]

What would be the point of showing that festival got cancelled for 1980 If the figure only gets abandoned after the park opening

[paper atlas]

around 1

[indigo orchid]

so maybe it was like cancel your tradition for this year and we can do it in our new park

[limber ridge]

Would anything change If they just had them abandon it after the accident

[eager island]

the figure gets abandoned with a accident in Guest Roller Coaster because people blamed the figure

[paper atlas]

i did origanoly think that but a big point about gaap is how quick it was built

oops wrrong reply to thingy

[paper atlas]

ment to reply to this one

[eager island]

yeah i thought the festival happening in the GAAP part but i dont see the one why would 1980 one cancelled

[indigo orchid]

yeahh

[indigo orchid]

I mean it's a pretty big park and it's not like a portable one

so I think it could maybe idk

take a while

opening the park with a festival seems fitting for the company tbh

[limber ridge]

Did the accident happen due to Guest tradition being cancelled?

[paper atlas]

in the books atleast that wasnt the case tho (iknow the books arent concrete but still)

[indigo orchid]

I think its the other

way

[eager island]

maybe as in like

the 1984 festival was meant to take place in GAAP

but before february 29 the accident happened

[indigo orchid]

the guest got abandoned because something happened

and people blamed the guest for that

[indigo orchid]

oh wait right

because the statue is still in the town square

so the festival in 1984 never happened

[paper atlas]

is it imposible to beilive that the reasoin the guest is blamed is the cult messed with the rotten core and casued lucy yis death and soemone saw the cultist do it and persumed it was the guest?

like in wtrb

[eager island]

mayyybe

[eager island]

nah

[paper atlas]

how can we be sure tho

[eager island]

there is not even a single mention of a cult in hn3

[indigo orchid]

still wondering how are they going to explain that

[limber ridge]

Explain what?

[indigo orchid]

I only can see the whole guest festival tradition be massively mistook as a cult activity

[indigo orchid]

the lack of cult in hn3

[paper atlas]

i think the reason for that is they whjere disolved after quinton sussed them out and caused them to stop funding th etown so it whent the way it did tho

[limber ridge]

Because different urban legends included a cult.
Others did not and instead had the tradition.

[indigo orchid]

can you elaborate

[eager island]

there is no point of trying to stick hn2 in hn3 story

the guy doesnt even know the story of hn2

[indigo orchid]

I meant like how in hn2 the guest is worshipped by secret cult while in hn3 its the whole city basically

[paper atlas]

other than the whole urban legend thing we have been told that hn2 is still canon and i dont belive hn3 is seprate canon and its not only in hn2 its also wtrb so it would make sence (oh and vr)

[limber ridge]

"Q: Are all the franchise projects just rumors, or can we be sure of some (Hello Neighbor 1/Hide and Seek)? And in general, I'd like to shed more light on the "rumors" and understand how they work within the context of the universe.
A: In general, when playing games in the Hello Neighbor universe, you encounter rumors and urban legends, each of which is an interpretation of real events and existing locations in the game world. I can't go into detail, but I can say that everything you witness or participate in within the Hello Neighbor universe has its place in the overall story and is not there by chance."
This was stated by a game developer for HN3 in an interview.

[eager island]

my point stands

[limber ridge]

He kind of does

[eager island]

the guy doesnt even know the stories of other medias theres no point of him sticking other stuff to hn3

[indigo orchid]

oh yeah I saw that

[paper atlas]

true but you bet wetehr it be days or hours i willbe searching hn3 to the ground for the cult lol

[indigo orchid]

thats what I meant by

whole cult thing is a big misinterpretation of a town tradition

like its an interpretation of a real event

[paper atlas]

or it could just be the fact were still in pre alpha

[ripe berry]

has anyone tried to analyze the Hotel to see if it already has potential hints for Ernest's character or lore yet?

[chrome flame]

I HAVENT BEEN UP TO DATE WITH THIS GAME IN SO LONG BUT IS THE BAD LUCK IN THE TOWN MAKING RAVEN BROOKS LIKE MORE AND MORE CRAZY AND WACKY

oh shoot i didnt see cap locks

[unkempt sleet]

the only thing i could see is that he's not much present with the hotel work other than bare minimum

and thats because of the Prototype 3

so it could have been changed idk

[paper atlas]

i feel so silly i just re watched welcome to raven brooks and am i the only one that realised in wtrb that the reason that their luck is so bad isnt supernauturel its the guests making it look supernatruel so as peterson put it "they need others to suffer so they can sore) meening they make any one with a golden coins life misrebel so theres feels magnificunt in comparison am i the only on who didnt realize this

[limber ridge]

Guests?

[ripe berry]

probably referring to the Cult/Crowfaces

[tiny verge]

there's only one Guest in WTRB

just for some stupid reason they made the cultists look like the Guest

when they originally had way cooler designs that fit the cult-vibe they had

[toxic sage]

Well it’s like one or Maritza’s parents I believe tho maybe I’m misremembering or saw some misinformation

Also if it’s urban legends how do they know like everything about the kids and what happened

[paper atlas]

I ment the cultists oops 😬

[paper atlas]

Yep

[silver vine]

Ernest

[solar vale]

Yes

[limber ridge]

Cursed one

[buoyant orbit]

Owner of the hotel?

[blissful summit]

Wouldn’t pre alpha man be Nicky’s biological father?

[safe merlin]

Btw is the alien kid is actually the bakery woman? I mean i found this video said that these characters new design I'm confused

[tiny verge]

if it was it'd have to be an extreme change in lore since all of the kids in the costumes, minus the Guest kid since that was Peterson, were all dead in the alpha storyline of HN2

(also in that storyline the reason why Peterson is behind the door in the attic is because that was the door he hid in as a kid due to the storm, that storm killed his friends because he was too afraid to open it likely meaning the cutscene in A1.5 is meant to show his guilt or desire to undo the past)

[safe merlin]

So that video is fake right

[tiny verge]

not sure because again the lore surrounding the kids could've changed when Nikita had left

[safe merlin]

Oh yeah i think the video is fake

The lore

[tiny verge]

again

not sure

I'm not gonna say it is fake or wrong because I don't really know how true it is

I just have doubts since I learnt what the original lore of the kids was

[safe merlin]

I mean if the neighbor would be up on the Attic how come the alien kid is the bakery woman because she is a kid and the neighbor is her friend in childhood so they had to be same age

[tiny verge]

again though the possibility that they got repurposed for something else is not out of the question

wait actually I think the missing newspaper letter about the kids were reused so maybe they were repurposed but

that would also mean the video creator got their facts wrong

since the baker is clearly not missing

[eager island]

yes

[limber ridge]

The Raven Brooks Archives have an article that says the alien kid is Gerda i believe

[safe merlin]

Then why the neighbor is old in that scene in the alpha 😭

And Gerda doesn't age

[limber ridge]

What

[safe merlin]

.

[limber ridge]

It said three kids went trick-or-treating, of which the other 2 went missing and Gerda was rescued but never said anything about their dissapearance.
Kind of awkward they never tried to get info out of her at least when she was an adult though.

[eager island]

the kids gone missing in past

but quentin imagines it in the current day

with all of other urban legends and stuff

[safe merlin]

Uh okay then

[silver vine]

Ernest

[safe merlin]

I have fun lore to tell

Y'all might think after nicky is an adult he never get a chance too see the neighbor but is has the easter egg that neighbor appear on another building sitting but nevermind here is the catch in alpha 2 nicky is an adult right plus instead he will move to the apartment but he decided to find a new house since in hn1 he was gonna go apartment and plus the neighbor already left so is mean alpha 2 nicky drive to find the neighbor in the town?

[limber ridge]

Alpha 2 Isn't canon

Pre-releases aren't canon

And Alpha 2 had a completely different story anyway

[safe merlin]

Also nicky is adult in alpha2 and he Also met neighbor which is strange because Nicky supposed to come back and be alone but instead he still lives with the neighbor

[safe merlin]

Why the full release change the plot story

[dreamy sluice]

he is alone

there's nobody else in that house

[safe merlin]

?

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[safe merlin]

Yeah

Because they didn't expect about what will happen next

Like hn3 house

[alpine crystal]

Alpha 2 player is not Nicky...

I mean they are the same guy

But they have a different context.

[safe merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/fpe-gif-13584581409014038607

[alpine crystal]

Alpha 2 player is the son of a neighbor

[alpine crystal]

Alpha 2 isn't canon

[safe merlin]

?? More confusing

[safe merlin]

Yeah

[alpine crystal]

Alright, let me explain.
The family storyline(scrapped storyline)
(Alpha 2-beta 3 plot)
In this storyline
The player is the son of the neighbor

[safe merlin]

😕

[alpine crystal]

Dude, are you new here?

[safe merlin]

So at first they plan nicky is the son?

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[safe merlin]

I'm here longer than you

[safe merlin]

Oh that's why nicky sleep on that sofa?

[alpine crystal]

Fair

[safe merlin]

So who know more hmm

[alpine crystal]

Yes, it's to relive his memories

[alpine crystal]

Me

[safe merlin]

😭😭😭 I can't believe

I stay here but know less

[alpine crystal]

Sigh, watch loodgack family storyline vid

It is recommended

[safe merlin]

Can you send the link in my dm

I search and not see

😕👌

[wicked heath]

Now you just gotta know about faust

[alpine crystal]

True

Faust storyline explained:
PLOT
In this storyline, the neighbor is the devil. The neighbor and God made a bet on whoever gets the most soul.
While the player was driving in his car, the utility pole "randomly" fell on him. (the neighbor was responsible for this incident)
then the neighbor traps the Player soul in a purgatory (prototype, Pre-alpha, alpha 1)
the player wakes up in his "house" (pre-alpha/alpha 1 house), unaware and confused, but all he know is that the basement is the exit door to the real world
AFTERMATH
After the player finally unlocks the "basement" door, the neighbor eventually catches him.
The player got buried alive and rested peacefully in heaven.
The end

[alpine crystal]

You're so wrong, my brother

[safe merlin]

Sorry

[alpine crystal]

You're not Aris, are you?

[dreamy sluice]

i'm disappointed in you

[dreamy sluice]

all but by blood

[alpine crystal]

Yay

[safe merlin]

I'm confused about everything now 😵‍💫

[inland folio]

so are you

[alpine crystal]

?

[inland folio]

we dont know if god made a bet on whoever got most souls

we only know a very vague thing about the devil plot

[alpine crystal]

Hmmm, fair

[safe merlin]

Btw who is god in hn

[dreamy sluice]

it says, specifically, 'battle'
which could be interpreted as a bet

[dreamy sluice]

it's god.

[safe merlin]

How he look like

[dreamy sluice]

probably looks like jesus

from the judas/jesus painting

like how the neighbor, who is the devil, looks like judas

[safe merlin]

This?

[dreamy sluice]

no, this (one moment)

this one

[safe merlin]

Oh

[dreamy sluice]

which is a recreation of the judas' kiss painting

i don't know exactly the name but that's what is meant to happen

where judas betrays jesus with a kiss

the painting is said to 'allude to the nature of the neighbor'

[safe merlin]

You seems to know alot 🙂

[dreamy sluice]

which i believe is meant to mean it represents the relationship between the neighbor and god

[safe merlin]

Ohh

[tiny verge]

I don't think the player character was confused after the pole fell I think he was just oblivious, I might be wrong though

so take that with a grain of salt

I don't think he "knew" the basement lead to the real world

and I do not think he went to heaven

again I might be wrong

so take it with a grain of salt

there might be something else but I can't really think that straight rn

[dreamy sluice]

i don't believe the player knew but i do believe the player finds out in the form of the nightmares

like the one in pre-alpha which possibly represents the neighbor kidnapping you initially

[tiny verge]

that would explain the A1 basement car crash cutscene

[dreamy sluice]

or the one in alpha 1 which is the neighbor absolutely ruining your ride

[safe merlin]

Also that's why nicky keep seeing nightmare of theo and also the rollsr coaster in act 2?

[tiny verge]

no

that's FG story stuff

it's also not specific to Act 2 and I think it was actually made for Act 3 in mind

since you play as Adult Nicky

[dreamy sluice]

i'm fairly certain it's the same situation, the stories have parallels given they're all made by the same guy

[safe merlin]

What fg stands for

[tiny verge]

and is supposed to be him realizing what happened to the Peterson family as part of his self therapy

full game

[tiny verge]

oh well in that sense yeah

[safe merlin]

That's why nicky keep seeing nightmare of theo

[dreamy sluice]

i believe the nightmares in hn1fg are nightmares nicky, as an adult, are having

[tiny verge]

wait really..?

[dreamy sluice]

it'd make sense, wouldn't it

[tiny verge]

I thought it was just more metaphorical stuff

[dreamy sluice]

it's obviously metaphorical

[tiny verge]

like a metaphor for him realizing what happened to the Petersons

[dreamy sluice]

but it can be both metaphorical and also something nick is experiencing

[safe merlin]

Um?

[tiny verge]

I already said it

full game

[dreamy sluice]

dreams in general are metaphorical, are they not

[tiny verge]

it's just quicker to say FG since there's like

so many versions to keep track of

[tiny verge]

my dreams aren't they're just stupid

[dreamy sluice]

okay well nikita seems like the kind of guy to make dreams have meaning in his stories

[tiny verge]

yeah that's kinda why I just thought it was metaphors

Idk either way it's part of his self therapy

[silver vine]

ERNEST

[wanton roost]

Ernest khalimikov

[wicked heath]

Lore

[versed cosmos]

discussion

[limber ridge]

Here's a Lorely thing to discuss

[wicked heath]

Books

My fav part of the lore

[versed cosmos]

My hated part of the lore...

[limber ridge]

Well reset day's really mid

And missing pieces

I like all other books though

[wicked heath]

I like missing pieces :(

[limber ridge]

Puzzle master's the Best one

[wicked heath]

What about Secret of Bosco Bay

[wicked heath]

Aka « Aaron and his dad screwed up real bad and things went south »

[silver vine]

is that his full name?

[limber ridge]

No that's a joke i think

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/chimutan-chicken-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-15173158631897442446

[wanton roost]

Nah lol

[limber ridge]

It's fine i guess

No strong opinions on it really

Except that i didn't really like Theodore

[wanton roost]

Secret of bosco Bay is butt cheeks

[silver vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945065396346691644/1074283045110153297/4D73EFC0-CA10-4472-965E-2E815E8AB7BE.gif

[wanton roost]

I don't know a single soul who would wanna read that book

Characters suck

Artstyle booty

[limber ridge]

Theodore sucks

[wanton roost]

Theodore being a chud in that one

[wicked heath]

You dont know the urge i have to cosplay Signed or The Guest

[wanton roost]

Well he always was but he is a bad Chud in this one

[wicked heath]

I have no clue how the Guest can see anything in that costume though

[wanton roost]

Holes

Duh

[limber ridge]

Nuh uh

[wicked heath]

Where

[wanton roost]

There

[wicked heath]

Hes looking down constantly

In his shirt

[wanton roost]

According to the AS S2 ep5 theo holds a book of cultists and they have holes on their beaks

[wanton roost]

You disagree with me all time every time i haete u!

[wicked heath]

Unlike hn3 guest, they are not wearing the beak like a hat

And more like a mask

[wanton roost]

when the beaks moves up his head is normal

When he looks forward

He puts his head down I think

[solar vale]

NO WAY!

[alpine crystal]

Bruh

[alpine crystal]

Full game. (HN1 full release
Canonical plot)

[alpine crystal]

Oh c'mon

[lucid pumice]

Just curious, what’s something you guys would change about lore?

[indigo orchid]

I am not sure about the current situation with the cult storyline if it's gone from hn3, changed or simply not implemented into the game yet but yeah I would change the cult

[limber ridge]

I would make less people part of it in HN2

[lucid pumice]

Honestly the cult stuff is probably the main thing I’m interested in.

[ripe berry]

so wait, if everything is canonically campfire stories and the like
has there been any hints to this idea before Hello Neighbor 3?

[indigo orchid]

maybe hello neighbor 3 is finally the explanation of how it actually is and not just misinterpretations and beliefs

[ripe berry]

because you'd think the idea should have some kind of hints to it if it was always the intention like it seems to be

[lucid pumice]

Does anyone know a good resource on Peterson’s full history and his relationship with the (real) Guest?

[eager island]

we barely know about real guest

"real"

[lucid pumice]

I’m asking cause I had an idea for a writing experiment and wanted to make sure it was in-character.

What’s important is Peterson confronting the Guest, only for things to go south for both.

[ripe berry]

there's multiple Guests... are you talking the statue from town's folklore, HN2 Guest, or Forest Dweller?

[dreamy sluice]

almira is 4th guest

[silver vine]

Guest?

we dont even know what that means!

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-hondo-ohnaka-we-are-pirates-we-dont-even-know-what-that-means-pirates-gif-26792469

[lucid pumice]

Hello Neighbor 2. Forest Dweller I try not to call the Guest unless it rolls off the tongue better.

[wanton roost]

W ref

[alpine crystal]

To be fair, the urban legend guest can be considered as the real guest

[pastel isle]

We don't know that...

[alpine crystal]

I still believe that HN2 guest is the urban legend guest

[eager island]

it actually cant

hn2 guest is based on the AS guest

and AS guests origin is happening in real time

[alpine crystal]

I'm aware

[alpine crystal]

Hmm

[eager island]

considering the urban legends of guest is has been around in ages

[alpine crystal]

Isn't AS very very separate from the HN2?

[eager island]

some of it yes

but its directly confirmed that they wanted to explain hn2 guest in AS

[alpine crystal]

Ohh

[pastel isle]

The general consensus is that there are two guests. The guest (the one we have seen in the games) and the "Guest" this urban legend who we might have seen but it's unconfirmed.

[eager island]

and not to mention AS and HN2 was directly tied in to each other at some point

[eager island]

its not confirmed but it seems like its very highly

[pastel isle]

Since I'm in lore discussion I should ask.

What happened to quentin after being taken by the cultists?

[limber ridge]

Well, they put him somewhere underground i believe, and tied him up, only for Guest to get in and save him.

[pastel isle]

And why did the Guest save him?

[limber ridge]

Probably the Guest is using Quentin for a purpose.
There's hints throught HN2 that the Guest is guiding Quentin i believe.

[pastel isle]

True.

Oh and werid one but why is Nicky afraid of supermarkets?

Fear supermarket makes no sense.

[eager island]

he saved him but then quentin did something that made him angry

then the forest section happened

[limber ridge]

The books say he was once abandoned by his grandmother when 3 years old.
However books are kind of seperate from Games yada yada ya.

[limber ridge]

Like in one cutscene before the cctv turns on you can hear Guest noises and there's movement in bushes. Cctv which has where Quentin can go
Or crows circle locations where you're supposed to go, and Guest is seeming related to crows and such.

[unkempt sleet]

and the paperplanes that appearing at night leading you to museum from where you are

[limber ridge]

Yeah those are too well-coordonated to be Aaron's doing

[limber ridge]

For me the strongest evidence point is surely the cctv thing

I saw a few times people claiming that Alex said HaS would reveal who burnt the house anyone know where those were

[ripe berry]

I've lowk been wondering too

[limber ridge]

Have you any other leads

Other than it was from Alex

[ripe berry]

I think based off how people word it it'd have to be pre-HNHS Launch

so likely something from 2018

[opal jackal]

I mean...

Maybe it's this?

Idk

[limber ridge]

I'm curious on where Alex said it

The implication would very likely be Aaron doing it

[opal jackal]

I've tried looking for that but couldn't find it

[limber ridge]

That and there's also one concept art which is in the guidebook and was shown on this server by Jacky

[opal jackal]

What concept art?

[limber ridge]

Which had a family picture where everyone looked at Aaron, while there was some kind of smoky backround

[opal jackal]

Can you send it?

[limber ridge]

In dms

[opal jackal]

Ok

[unkempt sleet]

you mean this one?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[alpine crystal]

Absolutely no idea, probably just a leftover from the family storyline.
But the book says Nicky was abandoned by his grandma and he was left alone in the supermarket

[alpine crystal]

Hmm, not a bad theory

[ripe berry]

this was also in the Guidebook iirc

[eager island]

i think aaron burning the house also fits with whole leap day storm thingy

considering every storm hits stronger each time

its unlikely to be only peterson house having that much damage in 2017

[ripe berry]

however it's based off of an unsourced claim so I'm hoping someone who remembers where it was said can share

[ripe berry]

Found a lead in the old Hello Neighbor Server!

quote from a deleted user on the origin of the statement "in a Russian podcast, when he said there would be a DLC (hide and seek). He said that "in the DLC, we will answer questions - why the Neighbor's house burned down and how this happened...""

[limber ridge]

It wasn't full i believe

[ripe berry]

not the original podcast
but now we know some details of where it was said

[ripe berry]

if a message about Alex saying the house burned down in the old HN Server is about the podcast in question, that puts the "podcast" we're looking for before November 21st 2018

[limber ridge]

I can find one where Mike was interviewed but not Alex.

[ripe berry]

I hate that the person who seemed to know what the podcast is is a deleted account
so now the source has basically died with them with how hard it seems to be to find

[limber ridge]

Not as If it would matter anyway since the Mike one's in 2020

[ripe berry]

yeah

we need something that existed in 2018

[ripe berry]

could possibly refer to the HN1 Post-Mortem DevGamm?

[wicked heath]

They look so cute

[ripe berry]

if it is the HN1 Post-Mortem DevGamm here's the link to that, it has NO English translation or subtitles though so good luck if you want to find out if the House burning down quote comes from here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKH_o3623E

[late peak]

Hello

[ripe berry]

hey there!

[late peak]

What's your favourite HN game?

[ripe berry]

yeah true

[dense raven]

this is creepy as heck holy

[dense raven]

barely a minute in Alex says "clap for Nikita cause he's awesome, he can tell you about how indie publishers DON'T at all make developers work 16 hours a day that'd be awesome" 😭

[limber ridge]

I love VR, though probably HN3 so far story wise(and HaS of complete games)

[limber ridge]

And it has a hat behind...

[dense raven]

Nikita's subconcious hat obsession kicks in again

I think it's this one

[ripe berry]

the hat obsession...
#lore-discussion message

[silver vine]

wait

doesnt the neighbor say in AS that the cult take away luck from other ppl and use it to gain fortune and power for themselves?

how does that work if AS is all grounded

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[safe charm]

@olive sequoia hey did you see what nikita said about the books?

[olive sequoia]

.. i havent what did he say ?

[safe charm]

he was asked how involved he was in them

apparently he was barely involved post book 1

it was mostly alex and carly

carly is the writer of the books

ig that explains why some of the later books feel so disconnected to the stuff nikita makes

[olive sequoia]

oh that actually explains a lot

[safe charm]

hence why books have more like supernautural feelings than stuff like hn1 and hn3

[olive sequoia]

it does explain a lot 😭 practically the franchise took on a life on its own while nikita just kinda fell behind with it

[unkempt sleet]

shouldve send the messages in order smh

[dense raven]

nope

listened to it from beginning to end

[unkempt sleet]

Hold on did Missing Pieces mention the date of GAAP

[dense raven]

Alex kinda vaguelly talks about a sequel but doesn't really disclose anything whatsoever

[safe charm]

i cant remember but i dont think directly no

[limber ridge]

Mike figured it out actually

https://youtu.be/l1VCJuC93w4?t=4145
It's this, which would roughly translate to "I mean, you return home—and your neighbor’s house has burned down. You were held captive inside it; so why wasn't the police there? Why did things play out the way they did? We will answer all of that in the DLC. I’m not officially announcing a DLC right now, but we will provide those answers in the DLC."

[dense raven]

kinda makes me livid how social anxiety and the fear of being judged portrayed through struggle in something as simple as getting groceries got recontexturalized as "Nicky's grandma left him in a supermarket as a child and he got supermarket trauma"

[unkempt sleet]

no the hell it does

it does

Lucy Yi plaque or memorial or whatever its called

it says 1992

[safe charm]

oh

[unkempt sleet]

for her death date

EVEN THE BOOK THAT NIKITA WORKED CLOSELY DOESNT FIT IN WITH HN3

[limber ridge]

Also thanks to Zpefm

[dense raven]

yup

all right

[safe charm]

tbf he keeps saying the books arent canon in the way we think

[dense raven]

they don't even fit with HG Iol

[unkempt sleet]

I can excuse design inconsistencises

but a year, that was explicitly stated

getting changed to a year that doesnt work with character stories established between media, even 3 games

[limber ridge]

Books which Nikita worked close-ish with are: Missing pieces, the secrets of Bosco Bay and Raven Brooks disaster.
I think those do fit with Hello Guest for the most part except whatever happened with the Guest lol

[unkempt sleet]

is annoying

especially when Nikita himself was apparently was very involved with the first book

1992 yea

[limber ridge]

Not very involved from what i gathered.

[safe charm]

he said he had a few early

[limber ridge]

He said they had a few discussions before the first book.

[safe charm]

discussions

yeah

[unkempt sleet]

that was before we showed the qna though

then he said he was specifically involved with few gns and the first book

first book being Missing Pieces

[limber ridge]

Yeah so If he did talk about graphic novels much and a bit with missing pieces that's still involvement pretty much.

[unkempt sleet]

this one

1992 GAAP was in something he had deep involvement of

1984 GAAP in HN3 comes out of nowhere

[dense raven]

which book is earth pro introduced in again

[unkempt sleet]

book 2

[limber ridge]

The second one

Waking nightmare

[unkempt sleet]

And a 8 year difference inconsistency is not something i can fit into "everything is canon but not in a way you dont think"

especially if it doesnt work with Mya, Maritza and Lucy's established relationship

[limber ridge]

I don't know If the opening day of a park in an obscure town would be very well documented when golden apple is a country-wide company or something.

[unkempt sleet]

Not a good excuse

[limber ridge]

Yeah but it can be fit into the canon but not in a way you think

[unkempt sleet]

with a really big stretch of 8 years

I would buy it if it was like just 1-2 years of inconsistency

8 years does not work if theyre both canon

it's clearly a retcon, but it's a retcon that erases the golden apple young inventors club

something that appears in 3 different hn games

[limber ridge]

It erases them for HN3 specifically

[safe charm]

at this point i just given up on the canon

unless its clafified

[unkempt sleet]

yea, the only upcoming game we have in the franchise where big story stuff will be revealed

so like

yea

[limber ridge]

Didn't they say a new one is coming

[unkempt sleet]

wasnt Aaron's bad omen stuff also in Missing Pieces

[limber ridge]

And like we'll see what happens in the movie

[unkempt sleet]

Nicky stumbles upon Ted's workshop in the house with those photos while in a sleepover

[limber ridge]

Plus there's still the real events to whatever is going on.

[ripe berry]

a new HN Game?
I don't think so unless you mean the HN1 Remake...

[limber ridge]

#hello-neighbor message

It's planned not exactly coming

[unkempt sleet]

aint anything announced though

so like it cant be classified as an "upcoming game" till it gets announced

[ripe berry]

yeah this annoys me a lot
like I at least want to know WHY the change to 1984 was made since our current knowledge doesn't explain why at all

[limber ridge]

Which is why i say this

[eager island]

well didnt alex have mentioned there being a 9 game in franchise while we only have 8

[ripe berry]

(As in why it couldn't have just used 1992 instead)

[eager island]

including hn3

and he said he will talk about it later in twitter

[ripe berry]

could be counting the Secret Neighbor Board Game?

[ripe berry]

nvm then

[eager island]

and alex have said this when there was like 2 question asked

• why is hnnd missing in HN tree
• why is there 9 games mentiond while theres 8

[ripe berry]

the wording is weird
unclear if the "talk about at a later date" is about HND or the 9 Games thing

[eager island]

yeah

im assuming its like answer to first quesiton and answer to second one

i mean would it make sense to him ignoring the 9 game thing

[ripe berry]

actually looking at the question

Nicky's Diaries wasn't brought up at all in the question
Alex just randomly brought that up

[limber ridge]

Yeah i thought i was tweaking

[eager island]

yeah lol

[ripe berry]

he might've just misinterpreted the question entirely lol

[unkempt sleet]

HN tree HN tree

[pastel isle]

Hello Neighbor tree...

Technically the tree should have all the alphas etc.

It would be a massive tree but.

[unkempt sleet]

My HN tree is better than Alex's...

it has Diaries and is more high resolution

also has chelsea market for the movie logo

[pastel isle]

We need a massive tree to house all the builds in total.

[limber ridge]

If Alex did just misinterpret the question what would there even be to talk about HND

[eager island]

that too

[ripe berry]

lack of a Season 2 and 3

[eager island]

the team behind it is fired

[eager island]

theres actually a fourth one too for whatever reason

[limber ridge]

Actually i'm pretty sure in any case he meant HND would get talked about

[pastel isle]

Why?

[ripe berry]

HND's interpretation of the Basement and Act 2...

[limber ridge]

Because "oh yeah HND is left out... Which we will talk about"

[ripe berry]

tinyBuild nearly went bankrupt

[limber ridge]

And the last one may be actually about the 9th game

[pastel isle]

😨 damn I didn't know that, we could have lost our Neighbor!

Is the 9th game HN3 or am I getting confused?

[eager island]

tB's almost bankrupt ended up with some bad stuff

[eager island]

hn3 is the 8th

[ripe berry]

no there's only 8 games in the franchise but Alex has said some things about a 9th game

[pastel isle]

A revival of Hello Guest???

[limber ridge]

↑

[pastel isle]

And do we know what the 9th game is

?

[limber ridge]

Nah

[pastel isle]

Fair enough.

[eager island]

not yet

[pastel isle]

Oh I should ask this, is act 2 of HN1 a warped version of what the house actually looked like?

Or did the Neighbor actually do some building..

[limber ridge]

I think he did do some building but act 2 exagerates it as well

I mean it's confirmed act 2 is a distorted memory

But HN3 has pretty long fences

[pastel isle]

HN3 takes place way after HN1 and 2?

[ripe berry]

yeah

Act 3 is in 2017

[limber ridge]

Yeah HN1 act 3 is 2017 i think while HN3 is in 2028

[ripe berry]

HN3's in 2028

[eager island]

well tbf some of the houses also has that kind of fence in hn3

but the neighbors ones is slightly longer i think

[pastel isle]

Did the cult disband after HN2? Or is there signs of it in HN3?

[limber ridge]

No signs in HN3

[eager island]

yeah

[limber ridge]

Other than the vandals do have cultly activities but they are confirmed to not be a cult so.

[pastel isle]

And Bob Novak grades all the places in HN3

?

[ripe berry]

yeah, for the Golden Apple Corp to decide if they should shut the places down or not

[pastel isle]

Theres a lot to be solved though, where is aaron? Who is the Guest, who is the "Guest" stuff like that

[tiny verge]

I think the Guest is just the mascot depiction though it's not exactly confirmed

[ripe berry]

well... a common theory solves two questions with one stone

(Aaron being the "Guest"/Forest Dweller)

[pastel isle]

I doubt Aaron is the Guest.

But yeah.

[eager island]

its because GA already left the town

the people you see in GA properties took over buildings

[pastel isle]

Jacob took over the gas station yeah.

[eager island]

presumably in the 2024 storm

[eager island]

janusz too

[pastel isle]

Isn't he a baker?

[eager island]

hence why supermarket is closed even though its A rated

[eager island]

he took over the supermarket building

[pastel isle]

Ohhh.

[eager island]

because its more profitable

[pastel isle]

Also I notice that (only when), I am not near the Guest, strange moaning sounds can be heard throughout, presumably the Guest?

[eager island]

yeah its him

theres a lot of strange ambience in game

like theres a specific one that only plays in water tower

[pastel isle]

Strange sounds in all really, the Guest makes awful awful sounds..

moooOOO greaahhahhyhh

[eager island]

and i also encountered some kind of dog barking in outside of raven brooks

[pastel isle]

In HN2, were the other residents covering for the Neighbor or was it just a cocoincidence?

cocoincidence?

LOL

[eager island]

i think the cult was hiding him in the museum for some reason

[ripe berry]

coincidence I think

[pastel isle]

Why would they have keys though.

It's very strange.

[unkempt sleet]

it has like a lot of cult stuff, thats probably why they have keys to it

[eager island]

well i actually now has a idea about why GA didnt put the name in other properties

[tiny verge]

also Peterson broke into that museum

he didn't get keys from them

they just had it because it was the museum and they had power in that town

[eager island]

considering most of the properties opened around when GAAP opened, the only building that has the name GA is gas station

and probably because it was the name that is given to place in opening

probably after the accident, GA's name has been tarnished, and the townspeople have started to view the company differently

hence why they didnt add the name other places even though it was functioning

[ripe berry]

except doesn't the timeline have problems with that...?
like the Supermarket is openly branded as the Golden Apple Supermarket is it not?

[eager island]

i mean it was already marketed as GA property

and they just didnt remove the name

like how they didnt with gas station

because it was already known place as GA property

[ripe berry]

and also most places that don't have Golden Apple name existed before the GAAP right?
Weather Station
Cinematograph

Cable Car was likely made during GAAP Opening era

[eager island]

though there was still time to add them in the name

considering GA was in around until 2020s

[eager island]

and more specifically 2024

[slow root]

I'm really confused. What is the tree meant to symbolise?

[unkempt sleet]

The Franchise

It's the HN Tree, it symbolizes the HN Franchise overall

[slow root]

Isn't there any significance behind the specific positioning of certain things?

[unkempt sleet]

Probably not

The only significance on specific positioning is that the orange branches are games and the yellow branches are other type of media

[slow root]

I find it strange because HN2 is at the top center (because it's a dead game) Wouldn't it make more sense for HN1 to be there (because it's the original) or HN3 (because it's the new game that's currently being worked on and is the best HN3 game so far)

[unkempt sleet]

HN1 is the root

[limber ridge]

Not here it's not

[slow root]

Speaking of HN2. I personally found the build up to that game to feel a lot worse compared to HN1 and HN3.

[unkempt sleet]

oop

[slow root]

It felt a lot more corporate compared to the other two, as if they were aiming it specifically towards the younger audience.

[unkempt sleet]

HN2 had the most chaotic development compared to the other two

[limber ridge]

Pretty sure at the root is supposed to just represent the franchise, not HN1

[unkempt sleet]

it's a miracle the current product is decent at all

[opal jackal]

Yeah, and they good saved by Atari + generous investors

[unkempt sleet]

yea i messed up my HN tree knowledge, this is truly shameful🐴

[slow root]

The duration of HN1's development felt like a really interesting experience, it was really cool investigating each build, finding hidden secrets, etc. I'm not sure how to explain it.

[limber ridge]

The word shameful next to a horse...

I'm being watched

Anyway

[slow root]

HN3's development feels very down to earth, "human" and more personal.

[opal jackal]

It's more transparent

[limber ridge]

I hope whenever HND gets talked about, If it gets talked about we'll be told what the 4th chapter was all about

Or what it was gonna be about

[unkempt sleet]

what 4th chapter

[limber ridge]

Weren't there 4 of them

[unkempt sleet]

i dont remember actually

[ripe berry]

...to be fair Nikita had conversations BEFORE the book was made, around the time they decided to make it canon
afterwhich Nikita didn't have much involvement meaning he only REALLY had confirmed involvement in the lore shown in Bosco Bay

[quick quiver]

I don't if anyone had already discussed this before, but this here from the WIP ui sneak peak) showcase caught my attention and got me curious.

[lucid pumice]

I wonder if we'll see the actual Guest or if this is just to signify there's two.

[safe merlin]

I feel like there gonna be many guest?

Test version

[limber ridge]

We think that the first one is the "real" Guest from the urban legend, and the Guest? Is the forest dweller

[silver vine]

Bosco Bay didnt have that much lore

and now its retconned since he built the GAAP in 1984 now

one good thing to come out of that retcon ig

[paper atlas]

I told y’all I would be back pls don’t make criticism if you haven’t read the whole thing to read it obviously just pause it ps I don’t mind criticisms as long as you have read it all

[eager island]

why recording it instead of copy and paste to here

[unkempt sleet]

wouldnt like a bot prevent that s

since its too big

[limber ridge]

For point 1., Theodore also destroyed the whole town in a graphic novel. Why? It's not like the whole town did anything to him, yet he is flooding it whole. His reason is completely seperate to the cult there, so why couldn't the same be true for HN3?

[eager island]

maybe as in part part

[limber ridge]

2-4. are related media other than HN3 or even anything Nikita worked on.
Religious symbolism in early HN1 tells a completely different story.
8. this isn't really a cult proof but Nikita did say pre alpha story will remain to final release, albeit much more depth would be added.
11. They used money and time to tell a story which would tie in with HN2 as well.
12. Golden apples have more meanings i believe but the one you listed wouldn't necesarily mean the cult.

[alpine crystal]

He... Didn't work on the books?

[quick quiver]

Ok, thanks

[limber ridge]

#hn3-pre-alpha-chat message
#hn3-pre-alpha-chat message

[ripe berry]

actually thinking about it some more no it's NOT retconned
Bosco Bay could occur in early 1984 and still provide room for the GAAP Incident to occur

[ripe berry]

5. assuming you meant Vandals instead of Candles, Nikita has explictly said they are NOT a cult

(#hn3-discussion message)

[eager island]

i think GAAP would be early 1984

if we are going to assume leap day theory is accurate

accident should be before the festival shouldnt it

[ripe berry]

I meant like
Early January 1984
and then the GAAP Incident would be like- February 28th 1984

also wait
if the urban legends/rumors/campfire story explanation was the intention
didn't Nikita say some people had figured it out (although they were in the minority) or smth?

[eager island]

yeah

i think its just him meaning perspective theory

[ripe berry]

(so then to confirm if that's the intention shouldn't we try to look for people playing around with the idea?)

[eager island]

i mean its not 100% same but they share a lot of elements

[limber ridge]

He said they were on the right track so it might also just be something similar.

Like perspective

But maybe there's something even closer i don't know

Which there were theories of perspective

#648186907708227624 message
I thiiink this would also count considering the context.

[silver vine]

dude, building an amusement park isnt like shooting a movie, you cant do it back to back

and like, lore wise bosco bay isnt even relevent

[ripe berry]

...even further thought and... fair...

I may be stupid

[silver vine]

ye

bosco bay is GONE

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-woooo-yeah-baby-gif-15093308666302952251

[limber ridge]

Is it

[silver vine]

retconned out of existence yes

[limber ridge]

I doubt that

[silver vine]

just like Mya/Lucy/Maritza friendship

which was important enough to be in 3 GAMES

[limber ridge]

Yeah that depends on what you mean

Because that friendship is still canon afaik

[silver vine]

as of HN3, its been retconned

[limber ridge]

For HN3 yeah

[silver vine]

Lucy dies in 84

yeah, retconning bosco bay out of existence is prolly one of the only good things to come out of this absurd retcon

[limber ridge]

It's likely still canon just HN3 does different things.

Unless Nikita states otherwise.

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-dead-monkey-gif-14754959

let me have this copium bruh

[limber ridge]

I mean it wouldn't matter that much if it does get retconned because not much happens in it

I wonder what Nikita and Alex meant by this though

Because i can't really think of anything

[silver vine]

like, literally NOTHING happens in it. Im 90% sure HN3 has retconned it.

[radiant isle]

Why is the map in hn1 and 2 so different ?

Like aside from the neighbors house everything is different

[eager island]

gameplay elements

[radiant isle]

Yeah since hn2 had a bigger focus on a more explorable world but they completely changed it which i would get if stuff just cane a bit closer but raven brooks was just like a whole different town that just had the neighbors house. I havent played any hn3 stuff but i would guess they are going to keep hn2s raven brooks if it even still set there

Also does hn3 take after hn2 or after hn1

[lucid pumice]

After both, it’s set in 2028.

[blissful summit]

So what I know young Theodore had a brother Franklin and he wanted to join the inventors club but the fellow club members included the mayor the baker the principal and the cop guy “flame on me because I forgot his name mb” they he has to a quiz at a old place when Theo and Frank arrived to the place the two got ambushed the four and they were all fighting inside a cave and reached to a big hole so the mayor swung at frank and he fought back putting the mayor on the ground so the principal some how made “cop guy” fall and made Franklin trip and fall into the hole causing a massive thunderstorm-like thing,later on Theodore and his wife went on late night drive somehow a pizza truck mainly hit his wife causing her to die;meanwhile or after her death Aaron became very upset and didn’t want to play with his sister Mya “this was during hide and seek”so he had enough and took her doll to the top of the roof to make her go on the roof to retrieve her “dolly” once she got it a fight broke out between Aaron and Mya, then Aaron had made Mya lose her balance and slowly falling as seeing her brothers up face;and then “I’m guessing a few days after Mya’s death”Theodore decided to lock Aaron in his basement to not loose the last living family member.”there I’m done I did not want to say anything about hello neighbor 1 that’s all”

[wicked heath]

Holy chat flood

[paper atlas]

theres a limit for how long it can be... i learnt the hard way

[paper atlas]

what im terying to say on this part is more a case of there are people in raven brooks in hn3 that are intrested in the guest (the real one not the god) not that there a cult my bad

[paper atlas]

what i was tring to say with pre alpha religious stuff is that it shows that religious stuff has apeered in nikitas work before hand

[limber ridge]

That could actually be argued as evidence against a cult because why have more Guest worshippers in this one storyline.

[limber ridge]

Fair

[safe merlin]

What are y'all talking about?

[alpine crystal]

I thought the real one IS the urban legend.

[alpine crystal]

They're discussing the Lore, obviously?

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah he is

[alpine crystal]

Isn't The urban legend guest, the god guest?

[alpine crystal]

What did you expect

[eager island]

he meant the physical one

[alpine crystal]

The physical one?

[limber ridge]

The forest dweller is physical and can interact with the world

[alpine crystal]

I don't consider him as the guest, even if his canon name is the guest.

[alpine crystal]

The forest dweller isn't the real guest either way

[limber ridge]

Forest dweller feels more like every other Guests than the actual guest

Due to, you know kills people chases you etc

[limber ridge]

So is HN2 Guest

And HG as well

[alpine crystal]

Fair

[alpine crystal]

But he is not part of the HN3 lore, so what's your point?

[alpine crystal]

HG isn't fully canon.

[alpine crystal]

We are discussing the HN3 lore.

[limber ridge]

Well in that case... ↑

[alpine crystal]

Still, HN2 has nothing to do with the HN3 plot.

[alpine crystal]

"hn3"

[unkempt sleet]

that doesnt mean HN3 doesnt give out lore for the whole HN universe

[alpine crystal]

Fair

[unkempt sleet]

like the urban legend stuff from HN3 works with all the canon Guest stuff we've seen so far

[limber ridge]

Well why did you even say Forest dweller isn't the real guest to me saying the forest dweller is physical.

[alpine crystal]

I heavily doubt the HN2 guests even exist in HN3 timeline

[alpine crystal]

I just don't see the forest dweller as the guest

[eager island]

they are same character conceptually

[alpine crystal]

True

[alpine crystal]

They are the same in roles.

[alpine crystal]

I've never mentioned HN2 guest until you bring it up

[limber ridge]

What did you mean by this then

[alpine crystal]

I don't consider him as the guest

[limber ridge]

Why

[alpine crystal]

Idk, I hate him (sarcasm)
He is the fake guest tho

I also don't see the HN2 guest as the guest either

[alpine crystal]

He was taking about The real one

[eager island]

he meant the forest dweller with the real one

because the "real" guest is not real and the "fake" guest is real

[novel harness]

Fair.

[silver vine]

does it?

HN3 Guest seems to be a mascot/deity, not a bird human hybrid urban legend

[unkempt sleet]

for example weather/luck god legend explains why the cult is worshipping who they think is Guest

[safe merlin]

Because hello guest is not full game right?

[silver vine]

what cult is worshipping which guest?

damn HN lore is getting confusing even for me now

[eager island]

i think the cult is worshipping to urban legend too

[wicked heath]

But like, abuse of it?

[eager island]

well i think the urban legend is different in two medias

[wicked heath]

Fair enough

[eager island]

the cult is worshipping to urban legend and they will somehow end up summoning the guy behind the guest costume we saw in patch 9

[blazing cloud]

Hello neighbor musical from random encounters is canon

But its lowk just a legend

In raven brooks

[maiden topaz]

i know shadowman is ment to be past haunting mr peterson in the game but what if in act 1 the neighbor locked the shadow thing in basement and it screamed to be let out to haunt him again his main goal is to practaly get to him as seen in ending of act final could be wrong

[trim kraken]

Yo watch your language

[alpine crystal]

"Past haunting Mr. Peterson"
Dude, the shadow thing IS a VISUAL representation of the fear

[frigid pumice]

Is this larp?

[split pecan]

I have an idea
What if the guest is actually... Iris?
At the end of prototype 3 the guest Takes off his mask, and isacc looks like he's even more terrified of what's under it.
Also, why would the guest reveal himself to him in particular?
Now i know that Iris and the Guest were present in prototype 3
But these were prototypes. So they wanted to test character's ai etc, and if one character was supposed to have 2 different ai's it made sense to put their both version in the game at the time
We know that Iris was removed from pre Alpha as well due to ''lore reasons''.
No other characters have been removed except her.
Isacc is also gone, but their house is still standing.
The guest statue is finished.

There are 2 guests (at least that's what Nikita's messages indicate)
The one we see, might be her

[eager island]

should i take this seriously or not

[limber ridge]

Historian would make more sense.
She probably likes Guest so she dressed up as him.
And maybe started to kill people because she was old and sick of everyone.
And then maybe she's so glitchy because she doesn't like it when she's not in the dweller costume.

[wanton roost]

Oh my days

[tiny verge]

it's probably Jacob

he's extra aggressive in the Pre-Alpha

and he became a prick

[signal sonnet]

Is the guy in this picture next to the neighbor ever appear in the series in anyway besides this painting? ive been very curious about this since around the time the alpha released

[neat phoenix]

In the devil storyline, he is Jesus

But in the canon storyline, he is Franklin Peterson, Ted's brother

[neat phoenix]

He appeared in the prologue of season 2 episode 1 also known as Petersons Stick Together flashback

[eager island]

its not franklin

[unkempt sleet]

He was repurposed to be franklin, so you cant really say he's not franklin since he technically is

[tiny verge]

intentional no, but they did repurpose this painting and use him as the brother

[tiny verge]

it's basically something meant to reveal that the neighbor is the devil, since it's a recreation of the Judas painting

[eager island]

i mean its not something that makes sense narratively

[tiny verge]

it doesn't make sense no

I agree with you on that

[eager island]

if franklin died or disappeared in mayak then how did they even shoot the photo

[tiny verge]

but that is what they did

[eager island]

i know the artists took inspiration from his design

[tiny verge]

also normally I think Jesus wouldn't be depicted as starting back at the other
I'm pretty sure this is meant to represent their battle to get more souls than the other, a constant cycle of 1-upping each other

after all they want to beat the other in soul count

[signal sonnet]

ohhhhh

[limber ridge]

Well it's a painting to be fair.

[signal sonnet]

goodnight everyone

[limber ridge]

Goodnight

[tiny verge]

that would have to mean the neighbor had someone predict how he'd look as an adult

[limber ridge]

Yeah it's weird in any case

[tiny verge]

I doubt Peterson would have someone paint them like that anyways but like apparently that's what they repurposed the painting into

[limber ridge]

The only way it wouldn't be is if it's some kind of meta thing to foreshadow something

[versed yacht]

I think it's meant to represent Franklin and Theodore but not actually be them

The original context of the painting is Judas betraying Jesus, kissing him on the cheek to alert the romans that Jesus was the Messiah (which lead to his crucification)

I think in this content Judas is meant to be Theodore, who FEELS like he betrayed Franklin (who would be Jesus.) The painting itself is still Jesus and Judas it's just meant to represent Theodore and Franklin in a narrative sense

[safe merlin]

Goodnight mr Frigid i call you that because browny

[tiny verge]

whatever the painting itself is pretty cool so atleast we get to have that back even though the narrative reasoning makes no sense

[tiny verge]

in WTRB specifically, not the original intention when this painting was made during the devil plotline

[versed yacht]

Yeah that's what I meant

[tiny verge]

I like my interpretation of the original purpose

since the storyline was about how God and the Devil wanted to get more souls than the other and are in a battle of it, the painting being the way it is feels like a representation of their never-ending cycle

[limber ridge]

That one line from Teddy "i started this, now let me finish it" would kind of be evidence

Like for the part where He feels guilty for Franklin

[marsh idol]

@👻👀: basically the town raven brooks experiences unusual weather, so the neighbor’s parents created the mayak station which studies the strange weather. a group of people who call themselves the raven society or the forest protectors, they are a cult who steal technology from mayak to manipulate the weather and make it dangerous. they do this so they make any death caused by the weather a sign of bad luck, and they are doing this for fame and money. after the neighbor’s parents die, he takes it upon himself to investigate the forest protectors and try to stop them from doing this, but unfortunately both his daughter and mother die in accidents. he is fully consumed by anxiety and depression and traps his son in the basement, to keep him from being lost to him. the neighbor isnt pure good, hes consumed by anxiety and becomes aggressive because hes so paranormal about everything. he tries to continue trying to stop the forest protectors but then we, the best friend of the neighbor’s son come in and try to see whats in his basement becsuse we hear screams. thats the summary

is this accurate

or anything that needa be rephrase

[ripe berry]

that sounds about right for a summary of the timeline up to Hello Neighbor 1

Y'know...
I think we've reached a point with HN Lore where we're running out of things to talk about outside of the same 5 topics on loop

like at this point I think most discussion will be:
Guest
how much from past material can be applied to HN3
and the occasional timeline post

[unkempt sleet]

let me shake things up a bit

who this

[ripe berry]

the mystery HNVR Kid...
Who is he?

[unkempt sleet]

okay so, i think you might be right because now i have to say that i think this poster might be representatitive of Franklin who became the Guest

the subject goes into Guest again

my attempt at shaking things was a failure

[wanton roost]

probably aaronSOSED

[unkempt sleet]

Aaron has his own HNVR poster that also appears alongside the mystery poster in the basement

so that cant be Aaron

[ripe berry]

this poster seems to be completely unique to my knowledge

[ripe berry]

I mean, either way it's an interesting topic even if it just loops back around to Guest Lore

[unkempt sleet]

Fair fair

I used to think that was supposed to be Aaron, once you switch up to play as Aaron, his poster appearing as a blank as to allude who youre playing as. Buuut that was before i realized that Aaron's Missing Poster appears alongside the mystery poster

[ripe berry]

I remember way back when theorizing with RBC that the HNVR Kid would be linked to the Guest (albeit at the time we thought HNVR Kid was Kid Class 7 in SN before that was revealed to be Quentin)

[versed yacht]

Honestly with how little significance this poster seems to have in the actual game I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a generic poster

[unkempt sleet]

a generic poster that randomly appears in the climax of the game

[eager island]

pretty sure its aaron

aint that just in the

[ripe berry]

.

[versed yacht]

Fair yeah, I just mean it's never really brought to attention at any point

[eager island]

very beginning of the game

[unkempt sleet]

no?

[versed yacht]

It appears in the Aaron section iirc

[unkempt sleet]

That poster is only in like the basement section, i havent seen it anywhere else

[versed yacht]

What I'm wondering is if it's meant to just be a generic missing kid poster, why did they add it? It's not like other kids were going missing at that point, and it's not like if there was it'd be relevant to the story.

[eager island]

well i didnt played hnvr yet but someone said me that in past

thats just how aaron is depicted in the game when you first play him in hnvr, the rescue squad didnt know who aaron is before they got to know him behind the radio

[ripe berry]

not to be that guy but:
Hello Engineer

[unkempt sleet]

thats wrong considering Aarons poster appears alongside the mystery poster

[unkempt sleet]

If it was generic "other people went missing too" poster i feel like there'd be like at least a few variants

rather than just one blank poster

[versed yacht]

That's also true

[ripe berry]

there's like 6 missing kid posters that only exist in that game (plus one that's the No Time To Explain Guy)

[versed yacht]

Also yeah fair

[ripe berry]

then again why not just give Steel Wool those assets if it's meant to be generic missing posters

[unkempt sleet]

Okay one thing i just thought about is Ivan maybe

But he doesn't really go missing and idk why they'd need a blank missing poster for him

[versed yacht]

Oh wait I think I know

[ripe berry]

but at the same time
that'd be WHY it's Blank
he's the one who ISN'T missing yet

[ripe berry]

?

[unkempt sleet]

Still feels like it'd be an useless addition, since they could just yknow not add him as a poster

[ripe berry]

also does an Ivan Missing Poster already exist in HNVR somewhere?

[unkempt sleet]

nope

[versed yacht]

Ivan at one point was originally meant to go missing (we know this from the credits featuring him escaping + the art station post featuring a missing poster with him on it)

This was very obviously cut from the game, so maybe when they did that they replaced all the missing posters of Ivan with this blank one so no issues would occur (both in story and in game)

[ripe berry]

wait yeah no it's DEFINITELY an Ivan Missing Poster

[unkempt sleet]

which art station was that

[ripe berry]

it's got an Orangeish Background

implying it to be a playable character

[versed yacht]

I don't remember exactly

[unkempt sleet]

that silhoutte isnt the same

[versed yacht]

But yeah I do think the missing poster is probably just a "hey we need to replace this asset can someone make something real quick"

[unkempt sleet]

also i need to add that ivan poster to my folder

[unkempt sleet]

the color isnt really the same aswell

i was leaning towards Ivan but seeing that they did have a poster for him and the poster we have isnt really similiar to it, im not so sure again

[ripe berry]

but still, when all of the other posters with Color were meant for playable characters in HNVR it's weird that this one's the exception (unless again it's a modified at the last second Ivan poster)

[unkempt sleet]

they couldve just made him appear black as a silhoutte in his already existing missing poster

[astral cobalt]

I Might Have Found Lost Media Idk Tho.. Btw it didn't let me upload it to discord: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HK8MOGSBe24r6ezavAJoUjNKSearwy38/view?usp=sharing

[unkempt sleet]

RBO isnt lost media

[ripe berry]

yeah
that's what makes it weird

[versed yacht]

I mean, then it's still technically Ivan, and honestly them doing that would just be confusing

So they probably just thought to make it a random silhouette (which also is kinda confusing but y'know)

[unkempt sleet]

why would it be confusing

i mean both ways its still a silhoutte

[versed yacht]

I mean in the sense that Ivan isn't supposed to be missing

And then there's a poster that has his silhouette on it

[unkempt sleet]

I mean it's not really different now if thats supposed to be Ivan

[versed yacht]

Wait I'm confused

Are we saying that the missing poster kid is Ivan