hn3-discussion

[narrow gust]

I think this game will be good... VERY good.

[fallow garden]

ik the reply was way outta the current conversation

[severe merlin]

Of course. If something’s in the game - usually it’s there for a reason.

[celest plank]

whats written on this

[atomic carbon]

Is Mr Peterson a viltrumite

[haughty tide]

i am hoping so...

[chrome sun]

Who is that?

[celest plank]

historian

[chilly breach]

I have a question which Ik it’s not hn3 related but I gotta ask if hn1 will ever have a remaster I think not but yea

[chrome sun]

Oh

[celest plank]

theres this card looking thing

on her

[untold grotto]

It will

[chrome sun]

It blurry

[fallow garden]

from the playtesting i’ve done on my steam deck and PC it’s fun but there’s no clear sense of direction, which for the time constraint isn’t great

[chilly breach]

How yk?

[atomic carbon]

Mr peterson is defo a viltrumite

[fallow garden]

(this was playtest 1 and 2 i believe)

[rich sail]

Hi guys

[restive oxide]

any updates on the player? or you can't share that?

[untold grotto]

alex hinted that they might return to hn1 remake development after HN3

[chilly breach]

Ooohh

[near hawk]

Most likely will. Not sure if it's up to Nikita though.

[chilly breach]

Another thing o would love to see is a hello mod kit update really broken nowadays tbh

[peak solar]

probably too soon to be thinking about that

HN3 isn't even out yet

[signal geyser]

She has a strange face.

[severe merlin]

I’m not the person to ask such question

[delicate sigil]

Didn't they previously say there would be a hn1 remake after hn2

[peak solar]

I think I've asked a similar question before, but I don't think I asked specifically

what colors do you tend to avoid?

for concept arts and the like

[chilly breach]

Is there also a chance for a hello mod kit update or similar?

[tawny tendon]

Will we be able to send Signed to a doctor?
that posture cannot be good for em

[near hawk]

They said they'll start making it after HN2 gets "fixed up"

[fallow garden]

and then RBO happened lol

[delicate sigil]

Yeah, it seems the HN1 remake is a myth

[chrome sun]

What is the show like for Nikita

[near hawk]

Probably the fix was patch 9

[celest plank]

is she called historian for a reason or is it like just a name

[untold grotto]

yes he did

[chrome sun]

What out of 10

[sonic birch]

historian

[rustic forge]

Hi Nikita! And in Pre Alpha, will many of the houses on the map also be empty? Or will they be filled?

[sand flare]

Because she is a historian😭

[narrow gust]

Will tv's display actual shows and news reports in the final game?

[untold grotto]

and they started it but then all of the resources moved to hn3

[granite pike]

WHAT ABOUT AARON AND NICKY, will the guys even appear in the new part?😔😔😔

[stone elk]

This is the rumble of the mill of hn3, it would be really unique if we got to play around with all the test maps at some point

[tawny tendon]

They won't appear in HN3

[tall sorrel]

to quote Nikita earlier in the chat
"Of course. If something’s in the game - usually it’s there for a reason."

[peak solar]

I think this is just a test scene

[tawny tendon]

Nicky's story is already over from what I know

[celest plank]

youre welcome

[peak solar]

and if I remember right, the historian's area has a miniature model with that building

[granite pike]

Ohh(

[chrome sun]

Could potentially return since this takes place after act 3

[narrow gust]

This could return since there is a miniture of it in proto3

[gleaming acorn]

40 year old aaron btw

[chilly breach]

Guys is there a way to fix mod kit in general lol

[near hawk]

45 to be precise

Or 44

[sand flare]

Wrong server

[chilly breach]

Is there a mod kit server?

[granite pike]

Aaron's story is still a bit hazy(

[sand flare]

There is a nodding server

Modding*

[chilly breach]

Can u dm link

[granite pike]

Hehehehehhehehehehehehe

[celest plank]

i know its too early to like have a proper opinion on this game but i love it so much mate 😭

[little onyx]

i am curious if you are happy with hn1 or if there is some stuff you would give major changes to.
i think your way of storytelling in that game was done very well and i imagine you are satisfied with that, but i also imagine there are many game-related choices you would have done differently nowadays
i think the cutscenes, music and story are all great for the game
it would be fun to think about what you would have done with hn1 with your current developing experience.

[fallow garden]

grandeturisto is offline now 😔

[rich sail]

I remember the Rumble on the mill from Hello Guest Alpha 2 which wasn't released...

[tall oyster]

if there ever would be a HN1 remake, yall should readd the other 2 unused minigames and make people deal with the devil

[fallow garden]

are you on about those weird dreams from the alphas or am i missing something

[stone elk]

yeah but they have been pretty open during hn3 period compared to hn2

[sonic birch]

what

[celest plank]

he meant re-add

youre all welcome im just smart

[tall oyster]

fear minigames from the full game

[untold grotto]

deal with the devil was not the case ever though

[peak solar]

way too many questions about HN2 and other things

[fallow garden]

oohhhh those, i didn’t know they had unused ones thats pretty cool

[peak solar]

would've been a good time to ask about HN3

[daring forge]

Best model so far🔥

[tall oyster]

the devil is the mannequin

[peak solar]

Idk why people talk about other things in here

[chrome sun]

Kinda like signs

[peak solar]

since this is the HN3 chat

[near hawk]

The devil cannot make a deal with the devil

[chrome sun]

I should make a chibi signed fanart

[rich sail]

I wonder why there is no Nicky's house in HN 3

[chrome sun]

Could add that

[little onyx]

the narrative does not require it

[tall oyster]

we should talk abt hn1 in #hello-neighbor

[near hawk]

Oh are you talking about the mannequins from fear school?

[tall oyster]

ye

[celest plank]

been 40 years probably got destroyed and replaced with something else am i right guys

[near hawk]

That makes sense

[sonic birch]

its there in 2017

[rich sail]

Destroyed more than the neighbor's house?Wow...

[granite pike]

I hope he moved away from here and lives a better life. His house was in a bad state in the third act, most likely it was destroyed?

[rich sail]

Probably...

[celest plank]

ladies and gentlemen i look stupid rnow

[little onyx]

i think there was just no reason to put it

many raven brooks landmarks are missing because they would serve no purpose

[rich sail]

In HN 2 Alpha 1 and 1.5 there is also no Nicky's house,just bunch of tall grass.

[tall oyster]

yall #lore-discussion

[rich sail]

Yes,You are right 👍🏻

[granite pike]

I CAN believe that crazy grandpa rebuilt this😭 Imagine Nick's face when his abductor is rebuilding his frk house outside his window

[celest plank]

except the house is still dead

[verbal stirrup]

Mr Peterson when

[chrome sun]

You mean finalized?

He already got a amazing model

[high brook]

I hope hn3 has more fog because there’s kinda lack of it now

Guest in the fog would look awesome

[near hawk]

Nikita said he doesn't want a lot of fog iirc

It creates a different atmosphere than what he intends to

Might be misremembering though

[high brook]

I think the storm should have more fog at least then

[severe merlin]

HN1 gameplay-wise is a pale shadow in comparison to what I imagined it to be

[peak solar]

speaking of HN1

I remember you stating at one point that you drew a BUNCH of concept art for objects

there's a chance the artbook only contained a fraction of that

[severe merlin]

Correct

[peak solar]

would there ever be a reissue/update to the artbook?

[high brook]

I wonder if the hn1 proto still exists

[peak solar]

I really just want an excuse to see more concept art

since I know more did exist at one point

[haughty tide]

you mean like if the files of it still exist?

[peak solar]

presumably after HN3 is out though

[high brook]

Yuh

[haughty tide]

oh those are long gone unfortunately.

[peak solar]

yeah, that's lost to time

[rich sail]

I wonder where is Aaron in Hello Neighbor 3

[high brook]

Don’t we have most of the assets though

Also what’s the best remake of it then

[peak solar]

also this is HN3 chat

[tall sorrel]

prob long gone
again, been a good 30 years since he was last seen

[high brook]

Oh yea right

Sorry

Forgot this was for hn3

[peak solar]

speaking of, what's the goal for the Pre-Alpha?

I'm assuming it's just touching up what existed to make gameplay clearer

[keen hemlock]

For me personally the Guest is some sort of folklore urban legend about a creature/guy stealing stuff thats no longer appreciated. Some people find themselves in this urban legend so they adopt the identity of the Guest and become a lonely bird man wandering through the forest. I don't know if that's correct but thats how i see the guest and i think it's something special

[high brook]

I wonder if pre alpha will have more finalized assets and not the blockout ones

[near hawk]

Ooh.

Wait this is a fun interpretation

[keen hemlock]

i like the idea of finding yourself in such a character and basing yourself around it

[chrome sun]

He's an entity.

[rich sail]

I think Nicky and Aaron are both 45 years old in 2028.

[near hawk]

Indeed. That is if their ages haven't been changed.

[high brook]

Aaron and Nicky story is over though right?

[chrome sun]

He's like pennywise

[keen hemlock]

I think nickys story is over because he got over his fears in hn1 and he can finally live a peaceful life

[near hawk]

I mean it's probably not the Alex view, but maybe Nikita's view

[high brook]

Yea Nicky is probably just a normal guy now

Living his own normal life

[near hawk]

Only for the town he lives in to be destroyed.

[rich sail]

Probably has kids now

[severe merlin]

Nope. It’s going to be some sort horizontal slice of the core story. The one that is going to stay up until full release. It’s practically new in many ways. It will play different. (While the core mechanics are still the same, but more tight and refined)

[keen hemlock]

like if he were to appear in hn3 he would just be a chill guy chilling

[tall sorrel]

I'd say yeah that's possible
but there's more to it then that if Prototype 3 is anything to go off of

[peak solar]

I don't think we've had a build that was just... a horizontal slice essentially before

[tall sorrel]

cool

[high brook]

So goal of pre alpha will be entirely different than proto 3?

[near hawk]

Can't forget the Gebo...

[severe merlin]

Correct

[limpid cosmos]

guys please what is the release date😭

[keen hemlock]

wait this is actually awesome

[high brook]

Why doesn’t Nikita share release dates again? Isn’t it to prevent false hype?

[peak solar]

Winter 2021 /j

[little onyx]

nicky seemed like a special character to you, i imagine you are satisfied with how the story went (and don't plan to use nicky again since hn1 was his special game)

[keen hemlock]

cuz he doesn't have them probably

[limpid cosmos]

no. i mean HN3

[keen hemlock]

idk

[hollow ice]

wtrb is semi canon

[tall sorrel]

(this is a png I made to show the in-lore evolution of the Guest as an in-universe legend)

[near hawk]

Aka the festival was most likely a gift to the townsfolk from someone, the guest.

[limpid cosmos]

guys

guys

[blissful river]

Very exciting.

[high brook]

All hn media is canon (just not In the way you would think)

[lunar trail]

How much of Pre-Alpha is done currently? How long are we gonna need to wait?

[near hawk]

So it'll be more about story?

[limpid cosmos]

will some oF the houses in hello neighbor 2 will be in HN3?

[oblique parcel]

So the direction of the gameplay has changed since prototype 3?

[hollow ice]

who is pre alpha man

[high brook]

Yea an estimate would be good

[high brook]

Placeholder player for hn1

[hollow ice]

his name is not even official

[tall oyster]

The Soul

[tall sorrel]

(I'll likely change this image when Pre-Alpha comes out)

[limpid cosmos]

Nikita. will for example the mayor or the taxidermist or aaron gonna appear in HN3?

[hollow ice]

no

[little onyx]

highly unlikely

[limpid cosmos]

but aaron might have a chance tbh

[peak solar]

If they do, their roles will be filled by someone else

since the Baker is someone entirely new

[high brook]

I think the hn3 guest should have some sort of mimicking ability like a real crow

[limpid cosmos]

janusz

[high brook]

Hope we get pre alpha soon

[limpid cosmos]

but what is the possible release date for HN3?

[dense plank]

Too early to know honestly

[little onyx]

i hope the player character is someone mysterious, with no real identity or gender. just someone who you can not really tell anything about them. i think it would work for hn3

[hollow ice]

no one knows(including Nikita)

[high brook]

If they put a LOT of effort probably like 2028 idk

[limpid cosmos]

and speaking of the trailer. when will it might upload?

[high brook]

What if we get pre alpha on feb 27? It is the anniversary of proto 1 after all

[late veldt]

it took around 11 days for p3 to release after p2 closed

so we have like a week left of waiting if the estimates the same

[delicate sigil]

I feel like we would have gotten more than just model teasers if it was a week away, didn't all the other builds have many teasers before they dropped?

[late veldt]

the way we can tell usually is if stuff starts happening on steamdb a few hours prior to the launch

[late veldt]

not really no p3 got like almost nothing aide from the small trailer

[lunar trail]

wait huh

[delicate sigil]

Weren't there many teasers of the new map?

[lunar trail]

could it be that close actually

[delicate sigil]

Well not many but atleast some

[lunar trail]

i thought we would like need to wait a few months

[late veldt]

that was p2 a lot of the p3 teasers we got were way before p2 closed

[civic totem]

Interesting

[late veldt]

i mean the builds closed and a devlogs almost done seemingly so like

hopefully???

[delicate sigil]

Hmm well I would be glad if the pre-alpha came out already but I have my doubts, I dunno, I feel like it's still a while away

[lunar trail]

how do we know the devlog is seemingly done?

did i miss something

[late veldt]

istg nikita posted like a wip of the next devlog

[lunar trail]

huh

[late veldt]

id assume if he did that ones pretty far along

[lunar trail]

where did he post that

[pseudo spoke]

I don't think he did?

[delicate sigil]

If I look up videos from grandeturisto all I can find is leg IK stuff the rest is pre-P3 stuff

[late veldt]

yeah i was misremembering something was posted in a different server that i thought was real and i didnt check

either way if the builds closed we shouldnt be too far off thats usually how this goes

[near hawk]

It's a lot sooner than usual

[delicate sigil]

I have absolutely no idea how steam dev stuff works, but I'd assume they make a timeframe for the playtest before opening it?

like "Playtest will run from (date) to (date)"

and they mightve just chose february to end it if thats the case

[late veldt]

i mean p1 closed we got p2 not long after p2 closed we got p3 not long after

idk why this would be any different

the map probably hasnt changed very much which is why we havent seen much of it this time

[bronze phoenix]

when will next version come out

it was fun while it was lasted

RIP P3

[verbal stirrup]

Yes and yes

The current model is amazing

[cinder halo]

Would janusz get a remodel?

[blissful river]

Yep

[severe merlin]

Yep

[cinder halo]

Would iris get a finalized model?

[severe merlin]

We’ll see

[cinder halo]

Would rbo return but with same devs as secret neighbor's or do we only need 1 online game

[grim lark]

Short answer is no

[cinder halo]

Ok

[grim lark]

RBO was a prototype of what HN3 could be

[cinder halo]

Ohhh

I get it

[cinder halo]

Was the forest dweller just a placeholder for the guest or something else

[gleaming acorn]

the forest dweller is the guest

[cinder halo]

Ok

[gleaming acorn]

i saw that

[cinder halo]

Oh sorry

[gleaming acorn]

probably not if people still have proto 1

it's archived somewhere i'm pretty sure

[cinder halo]

I thought that no one would answer that question

Mb

[thick ferry]

This is an optional question, but after you’re done remodeling the characters. will we ever see the main protagonist design that ur working on?

[severe merlin]

What I mean is that we’ll see if Iris will be in the game at all. If she will be - she’ll definitely gets full rework

[spiral atlas]

Does Iris have a risk of being removed?

[lunar trail]

wait so there's a chance she will be scrapped 😟

[thick ferry]

I hope not

I don’t think iris will get removed since everyone likes her

Well not everybody but

[signal geyser]

What?

[delicate sigil]

Iris sharing beatrix's fate 😔

[thick ferry]

Noooooooo

[near hawk]

Wait what

[thick ferry]

[near hawk]

Uhh maybe this just means she could be absent from pre-alpha?

[near hawk]

But not the full game? Eh?

As in she'll be in the full game but has the potential to not be in Pre alpha?

[spiral atlas]

I think Nikita just means the current Iris will be worked into something new character wise (same character just different aspects like design and story)

[delicate sigil]

I wonder what is meant with rework

[near hawk]

Remodel I think

[thick ferry]

Maybe reworking with her design?

Or model

Remodel

[near hawk]

I mean it's probably that

[late veldt]

i mean nothings concrete i dont blame him for saying that

[near hawk]

True

[late veldt]

granted if it comes down to removing characters in case the game cant be optimized otherwise i feel like her jacob and signed should have priority since they were the first 3 we ever were introduced to

[near hawk]

But also everyone else did get a kind of concrete answer.

[mint plover]

the new models details look great

[thick ferry]

I mean it’s nikitas game/characters he can scrap or cut anything he wants but I don’t like the idea of iris being cut

[lunar trail]

We're not saying he can't do it, we're just saying it'd be disappointing if it happened

[severe merlin]

After P3 we sat and figured out the core story. Core story doesn’t not require all citizens. Each character had to be reworked narratively. So, some elements got changed. As the result, Iris is not a part of core story (while Issac is). HN3 world planned to have many stories within its world, but since currently we focus solely on the core story, we put Iris aside for now. She will not be present in pre-Alpha. When we start to shift focus outside core story, Iris might get back but will be reworked somehow (visually and narratively).

[cinder halo]

Could you release devlog 3 ost aka hn3 p2 ambience 5 remastered/hn3 p3 good ending bgm sometime soon?

[late veldt]

would you be ok with explaining who is relevant to the main story right now or is that spoilers

[delicate sigil]

Does this mean the plans to have like 15 or so residents are scrapped?

[mint plover]

rest in peace iris

[late veldt]

characters that we already know about who are relevant right now i mean

[near hawk]

Well I'd assume all the characters that did get remodeled are relevant to the main story.

[late veldt]

i mean he said janusz is also getting an updated model jacob and coned are still mia

unless coned got one i dont remember

[thick ferry]

[near hawk]

Janusz over Iris.

[severe merlin]

First of all - Why?
Second of all - There were never plans for exact 15 characters

[cinder halo]

At least iris will return in alpha 1 (speculation)

[frosty gyro]

coned was the first one to get the model shown

[thick ferry]

But didn’t you mention about 25 characters being in the game maybe I think

Or something

[lunar trail]

I mean he said they would want that but i dont think it was ever a goal

[thick ferry]

I don’t remember

[delicate sigil]

Apologies, it was only an estimate from my memory, but I remembered back then it was planned to have a ton of characters, and I thought what was said was that the current neighbors are the ones relevant to the story right now which is why I wanted to ask

[thick ferry]

I’m still sad she’s scrapped😞

[near hawk]

He said it'd be well to have 25 characters but if they don't serve a purpose then even just 6 purposeful characters would be better (iirc)

[thick ferry]

SAMEE

I wish I can send a funny gif but I got the no embeds role

[severe merlin]

I said that we focus to deliver certain type of game (each citizen is meaningful, each building is enterable, etc). This is what defines amount of character

[versed ravine]

Nikita didn't say she's scrapped, she just doesn't serve a purpose at this time so she won't be included in the pre alpha.

[thick ferry]

Wait how long does it expire

[near hawk]

Be careful

[cinder halo]

Will Nicky return in Pre-Alpha or the other Alphas of HN3

[errant pewter]

to be fair Beatrix newspaper was probably setting something up with her before HN2 got canned

[thick ferry]

Is Jacky online often?

[errant pewter]

I'm sure that other media that takes place in the main timeframe will elaborate back on it

[thick ferry]

Alright I’ll ask her when she’s talking

[thick ferry]

I always wondered if beatrix was actually gonna be in patch 10 hn2

[near hawk]

Wdym girl

[cinder halo]

Maybe with Jacob

[near hawk]

Who knows...

[orchid gazelle]

like what charlie said nikita just said iris just wont be in pre alpha but will have a chance maybe down the road

[idle narwhal]

He said that each character has a purpose currently.
So Issac most likely has a story that fit into the pre-alpha.

[near hawk]

I mean he is like the sacrifice for the Raven Man so yeah that adds up

[idle narwhal]

He could simply be an orphan.

[thick ferry]

Like Aaron maybe!

Joke

[near hawk]

Aaron takes care of him now

[errant pewter]

I think she wouldn't really "be" in patch 10 but they could like, slowly pave the way for her presence or something

Maybe as a cameo, but then if Act 2 would be as big as the "Act 1" (aka main game) I could see her having a presence just as large as any other character

but honestly I'm partially glad that didn't make the cut given how they treated all the other characters (all made into forest protectors 😓 even though fellas like Leslie and Keith clearly had characterisation that went against that)

[delicate sigil]

They said they worked trough the story so I think they probably thought about this

[errant pewter]

I hope we'll get some Aaron in the late timeline content eventually

[near hawk]

Never.

[errant pewter]

In the raven brooks disaster he's alone, 2/3 reset day trilogy books got scrapped

[thick ferry]

I really hope she shows up in hn3 somehow even tho it might mess up with the lore or something

[errant pewter]

so we won't know that either

[delicate sigil]

Lets hope iris gets added back after pre-alpha again though

[errant pewter]

same honestly but only with MITH I see them as a package

[night vigil]

Really hope Iris doesn't get scrapped, she's a character you can still do a lot with

[errant pewter]

both could still work and honestly not much would really prevent them from just being retconned into being in HN3

[orchid gazelle]

its only a pre alpha so nothing will be super concrete yet

things will always change

[cinder halo]

Again which might be alpha 1

[spiral atlas]

Message I shared in another server since a lot of people are overreacting and misinterpreting what Nikita said.

[delicate sigil]

Yeah I bet it's more like a little pre-alpha plot that they just couldnt figure out how to put iris into and as it develops as the game goes on she can come back

[orchid gazelle]

Like they just want to flesh out iris a bit more before committing her intocthe pre alpha

that isnt a bad thing

theyre just putting her back into the drawing board

[delicate sigil]

Hello Neighbor 2 was a whole different situation though

nikita leaving and all

All we can really do is wait I doubt iris is scrapped forever

[thick ferry]

Maybe beatrix might appear in hn3? I doubt that might happen but it would be a cool idea for me atleast;-;

[pseudo spoke]

Basically, they're working on the core story (which changed from P3), and Iris isn't part of it now, so she won't be in the game until they find a use for her in a smaller side story later.

[orchid gazelle]

exxxxxactly

truth nuke alert

[thick ferry]

Yeah maybe she will appear again

[orchid gazelle]

honestly knowing this is fully nikita and his own team working on this i have more faith

[spiral atlas]

I just find it funny people started comparing it to Beatrix which is just not at all the case

Beatrix was basically being hyped up the whole time with no comment on whether she was scrapped or not

Iris is literally just in a state of "we're working on it"

And Nikita isn't lying about it so

[civic totem]

⬆️

[pseudo spoke]

Like I'm sure everyone likes Iris, but I wouldn't panic just because a character is no longer needed in a main story.
Iris is a cool character, but a core story for HN3 can and probably WILL still work just fine without her as a part of it.
And either way there's still a good chance she'll still be in the game as a side-character so I don't see the big deal.
Kind of a shame, yeah, but it'll be fine lol

[delicate sigil]

Agreed there's still ton of time left before the full game will drop and im sure they will expand the amount of characters, including adding back Iris before the full game releases

I have my doubts we will stick to the current resident amount till full game, but even if I wouldnt mind it too much

We are still at pre-alpha stage just because she was cut from 1 build doesnt mean she is gone forever

[near hawk]

Not what she's saying really.

[delicate sigil]

?

[peak solar]

I'm assuming this means that Isaac is no longer related to Iris?

[delicate sigil]

Yeah it's fair with how HN2 ended up but I think HN3 will have a more positive outcome

[peak solar]

unless this is still the case, and Iris is just not as relevant as Isaac is for her to be featured yet

[near hawk]

I feel like it's kinda straightforward. She's not saying that Iris not being in a build means she won't be in the full game.

[pseudo spoke]

Also I just wanna point out how good I think this approach is.
Figuring out how the main story will play out and which characters are important to it, and then focusing on that first before thinking about what additional characters and stories could exist around it is really good. Means they can focus on the main cast and set of locations, and then fill in some blanks with side-characters later.

[peak solar]

I am curious about this though

[near hawk]

True.

[peak solar]

though to be fair, Isaac being related to Iris was an afterthought, so it's an easy change to make

[eager glade]

did i miss out

WAIT HOLY I DID

[peak solar]

so for context, Pre-Alpha is a proper horizontal slice of the "main story"

[delicate sigil]

Iris isn't in pre-alpha nikita revealed and they might rework her and bring her back, something along those lines

[peak solar]

some characters won't be available in it

they should come back though later when they need to fill space for the side-stories

[eager glade]

thats strange mostly cuz shes the only we one we can rely on

[peak solar]

I do think it's good they're finishing the main story first though

[eager glade]

so new characters?

[delicate sigil]

Yeah, a little strange that iris isn't included in that since she was one of the first characters for HN3 but it is how it is

[eager glade]

hes pretty interesting too tho

hes the leader after all

[eager glade]

wait.

so she wont be in pre alpha unless they rework her and add her in

wait atp were close

[delicate sigil]

It was kinda vaguely said but nikita basically said that while they were working out the story iris didn't fit in so she is cut untill they find a way to put her in the story

the way I understood it

[eager glade]

well i didnt see it yhet

ima see his recent messages

[delicate sigil]

what dizzy said was a good summary

[pseudo spoke]

Basically yes
She won't be in pre-alpha because they're focusing on their finalized version of the main story, and they decided they don't want her to be a part of it.
They'll add her back at a later date if they think of a way she could be included as a side-character

[eager glade]

ohh i see

[eager glade]

hold on so pre alpha will have a story like canon?

or just for the fun

im sorry im very confused i was at the gym came back 4 hours

[pseudo spoke]

Sounds like it's gonna be a small part of the final story
From what I gather they reworked the story from P3 into something they're happy with

And now they're focusing on this core story first, before adding other characters later, which will have other stories that aren't connected to the main one.

[eager glade]

this is kind of very good news with lore people ig including me

[eager glade]

oh i see thats actually pretty cool

[pseudo spoke]

My personal guess is that they'll spend the alpha stages focusing on this core story and the game as a whole (map design, graphics, gameplay, optimization), and later, probably during beta stages, they'll start adding additional characters with side-stories, since they won't have as much to focus on besides that.

[eager glade]

i hope therell be houses that just normal flatted yknow what i mean? like hn2

cuz alot of house in hn3 are on hills and its kinda rocky in there

[near hawk]

I wonder if this is why Nikita has been answering lore questions lately

[errant pewter]

I hope it'll lean a bit into the hn2 esque gameplay with the brave characters chasing you around their house

because most of that "home intruding" gameplay currently is just breaking off five thousand cameras/gates and jumping on drawers from another five thousand beartrap lawnmovers

I love those little crazy things but they shouldn't be in every house

correct me if I'm wrong

[pseudo spoke]

Well there's no lawnmowers in P3. And not every location has cameras (the ones that do don't have them in every corner either)
Besides the Museum but that one makes sense.

[eager glade]

yeah its like trying to get in the house with no one inside simulator

break all cameras of all costs

[delicate sigil]

Yeah this is what I currently dislike about hn3

the breaking and entering gameplay is just so underwhelming its just cameras

[eager glade]

and its hard to run around the small houses

[delicate sigil]

not sure how they are gonna make this work while also having the neighbors walk around

[errant pewter]

make the cameras alert them to their house

or something

[eager glade]

im gonna be honest the only fun thing of breaking and entering in hn3 is in the cinema cuz the vandals are there to jump you when you js get inside

[errant pewter]

and they defend it for a while before returning to their business

heck maybe if another character is near them while they get alerted they could join in and jump you

[frosty gyro]

the museum is also fun when the historian is defending it

[eager glade]

but hey there are unfinished houses out there with very huge space its a whole square so hopefully itll be bigger

[eager glade]

i never tried to annopy the historian in the museum lol

maybe i should try it

[near hawk]

I love annoying the historian

[peak solar]

It's good that they finally got something they're happy with

[near hawk]

These people are already struggling and I'm just like "here have some more"

[timber ore]

Finalized historian is a Jewish grandma

[chrome sun]

I got a question is the guest beak in HN3 gonna stay looking up into the sky or is it gonna change to looking forward?

[random shell]

It looks creepier that way

[subtle harness]

My guess is that its gonaa stay looking up
Because the guest design and model is based on the mascot/puppet which is in hn3

[sand elk]

What will be next another prototype or pre alpha

[untold grotto]

pre alpha

[near hawk]

#hn3-discussion message

[near meadow]

Question about the guest.

Is he as old as the neighbor? Or is he more ancient than that?

Also is it an "It" or a "He"?

[near hawk]

Nikita's called him a he I believe.

Also he's offline

[near meadow]

rip

[eager glade]

He's existed for many years

soo I think older than theo

[near hawk]

How do we know

[eager glade]

I mean most likely the guest is Franklin's brother so eh

Most likely

NOT confirmed

[near hawk]

Franklin has a brother other than Ted?

[eager glade]

I

THEOS BROTHER DAMIT

[near hawk]

Okay I'll stop being a troll

[eager glade]

Your not being a rick

Your being a

Frigged

Hahahahaha

[near hawk]

Be careful not to get censored buddy

[gentle carbon]

so oppressed here smh

[near hawk]

I really like grandM's idea

#hn3-discussion message
This

[eager glade]

It was said somewhere in guests description in artstation hn2

That he was an urban legend

[near hawk]

Mmm

Thing is

Nikita doesn't know who the guest is in HN2

[gentle carbon]

wasn't the cult based off it, Forrest Protector or something idk?

[near hawk]

So we can't really use info for HN2 in the context of HN3

[near hawk]

I think so yeah

It seems like they worship him

[eager glade]

I don't think there was guest in Rogers time right?

[oblique acorn]

ws hn3 playtest removed from steam?

[gentle carbon]

I was thinking the Guest could be a role that's filled through time or something

[near hawk]

Yes

Next build is pre alpha

[eager glade]

so maybe they were cultists believing in the crazy stuff happening in raven brooks and they were trying to summon their god

wait guys..

The turisto..

[near hawk]

Not any turisto...

[gentle carbon]

yes.... words

that I know

[near hawk]

The Grand turisto

[eager glade]

THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO!

[near hawk]

Shush

[severe merlin]

Are you talking about the Guest or the “Guest”? 👁️
Any how, those are pretty crucial questions, and as I said before - I won’t answer anything story related

[eager glade]

That's suspicious now what..

[near hawk]

Wh-wh-what does this mean

[near meadow]

Wait what do you mean?????

Guest "Guest"? Aren't they the same?

[eager glade]

Nikita what are you telling us

WAIT

[near meadow]

You don't mean to tell me that theres...two right?

[near hawk]

No they aren't clearly

We should have trusted Nikita...

[eager glade]

guest franklin.. guest theo... green eye ball mayak..

[potent sand]

Hey im from turkey someone can explain me, What is the shadow man

[gentle carbon]

Im thinking as in Title and creature "Guest" for the title, thats my thought

[severe merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/john-krasinski-red-wine-omg-jim-halpert-gif-229911833267895188

[near hawk]

Yeah something like that

[potent sand]

.

[near meadow]

Is this related to the reason why the beak is facing upwards? And its not just an injury? Since this guest seemed like it was in pain...

[eager glade]

you may have not known the guest in hn2

But you know about another guest..

[near hawk]

I think there's a physical entity that's named the guest and a symbol of the guest

[gentle carbon]

symbolism for fear or something like that

[gentle carbon]

yeah this

[eager glade]

the eye emoji is very suspicious

Guest and guest👁

[gentle carbon]

yeah idk what thats about

[near hawk]

Metaphorical representation of fear.

Not visible to characters but only to audience

Peak stuff

[eager glade]

hm

[gentle carbon]

anything with eyes in other parts of the franchise?

[eager glade]

Mayak is all I can think of and the eye paintings

And the hello guest prototype logo eye

[night vigil]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jOpLbiGmHR9S0

[spiral atlas]

Honestly I think he just means "The Guest" Vs. The Guest

Like the concept of the Urban Legend Guest Vs. the physical Guest we see in HN3

[near meadow]

And oh yeah to answer this, I was asking if he was just as old as the neighbor if not older. Since this is years after and the guest did exist back then when nickey was a child. The "Guest" im assuming is the physical one. The one with the costume and all that

[potent sand]

Hey chat, İ played hn 2 and in the end aaron saved his father(the Mr. Peterson) then the legend of the game comed and killed me(sorry for bad English...)

[eager glade]

Probably wasn't hn3 guest named fake guest in the files?

[potent sand]

Legend of the game:Pre alpha Man.

[gentle carbon]

as we all know it all goes back to the Mayak... somehow, I still don't understand the Mayak but whatever

[lunar trail]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-elmo-stare-please-god-gif-25182854

[potent sand]

İs this a rare scene or something else?

[tall sorrel]

the Guest -> Town Symbol turned Urban Legend
the “Guest” 👁️ -> the person wearing the costume

[gentle carbon]

my only wish is that this lore is actually explained in a good manner in the game

[potent sand]

@gentle carbon

[gentle carbon]

is there a question?

[potent sand]

Yeah.

[near meadow]

is going to be visual storytelling at most I think

[potent sand]

İs this pre alpha man or??@gentle carbon

[eager glade]

You haven't seen anything not yet eye and now..

[gentle carbon]

oh I believe its a cult member

[lucid crescent]

Nikita will the Neighbor create robots because he is an engineer

[peak solar]

watch him post concept art of the "Forest Dweller"

in a few months time

[potent sand]

İm gonna look at translate.

[near meadow]

You know....the guest in nikita's art does look different from the one in game...

[high brook]

i miss the old guest design the hoodie was really cool

[peak solar]

that's just because it got a paintover with design changes they liked

[pseudo spoke]

Guest and "Guest" ||who is suspiciously still called Forest Dweller internally||
Hmm...

[untold grotto]

because thats outdated design

[gentle carbon]

I want to see 2 guests fight each other

[night vigil]

This has to be one of the funniest answers ever, just with the context of what is happening right now

[peak solar]

in the early HN3 days, people misunderstood and thought the "Forest Dweller" was someone attempting to fill the role of the Guest

[tall sorrel]

one is the original town symbol that turned into a urban legend
the other is the one who wears the costume

[peak solar]

I am wondering now if this is not just people being deranged, but I was actually onto something

[high brook]

what if thats the case thoiugh

what if they were right

what if its guest jr and not real guest

[near meadow]

Idk because I had a feeling the guest was different.

The neighbor's design didn't change much other than artstyle for example

[potent sand]

Oh i dont think so

[peak solar]

well then in that case, you would have to call it something else

like the "Forest Dweller"

[oblique parcel]

i think there is no real real guest

[near meadow]

but the guest?
It wasn't just an artstyle change. His entire design is different

[gentle carbon]

idk why people say FNAF is confusing when Hello Neighbor exists

[near hawk]

Next thing about the guest I'm gonna see from a higher-up will be "who said the guest can't warp reality?" Or smth and everyone will go crazy about it

[eager glade]

I'm pissed off at fnaf people in the moment lol

[near hawk]

Because FNAF is more confusing than HN

[peak solar]

he probably didn't mean it THAT literally though

[potent sand]

İ think we will know that in Hn 3

[gentle carbon]

Interesting, I find this all much more confusing then fnaf

[peak solar]

he probably means the difference between the guy seen on the billboards, and the one roaming around

[near meadow]

The guest is weird.
The neighbor looks the same as he always did minus the gloves. Only thing thats different is his stylized look.

But the guest....nothing was stylized about him. The guest in hn3 has a whole completely different and new look to him unlike the neighbor who wore his classic fit.

[near hawk]

Okay sorry this comment comes off as kind of douchebag

[near meadow]

I think this is related to that.

[potent sand]

@gentle carbon

[near hawk]

I really can't see that.

[high brook]

wasnt neib guest orignally

[gentle carbon]

I find it like a form trolling

[near hawk]

At least Nikita and Alex are a little more open than Scott and whoever else

[near meadow]

So i believe the guest we see might be a "Guest" but we haven't seen the real thing or the real thing is probably gone or dead and this is taking its place.

[near hawk]

Yes.

[gentle carbon]

In the cut content of HN2 it continues after you're knocked out and its the cult

[high brook]

around ROTM era right?

[eager glade]

So the reset day guest?

[near hawk]

Yes. And HG

[high brook]

speaking of rotm, what even happened to it? does it still exist? does nikita still have it

[eager glade]

Cuz he has claws and stuff

[potent sand]

İ wish

[near meadow]

Context?

[near hawk]

Might have carried over to Reset day and GN2

[near meadow]

Is the reset day guest also different from a "Guest"?

[tall sorrel]

the original town festival, a symbol of the good of Raven Brooks vs the man, a representation of the greed and horrors of the town, corrupted over the years by the Golden Apple Corporation and the like

[gentle carbon]

okay Hello neighbor itself is confusing, finding out stuff about fnaf is more confusing, thats a better way of putting it

[near hawk]

I can see that.

[high brook]

hello guest is not canon right

[tall sorrel]

correct

[near hawk]

Heheh

[high brook]

why are we using it for lore then

[near hawk]

Isn't the tape with HG ending still in SN?

[high brook]

i wonder if anyone has tried to model this guy

[tall sorrel]

(only issue with what I have here is Guest Kid who existed in the 1950s and already sports the Crow Guest design)

[gentle carbon]

The guest with the cape thing is so goofy to me, newest one is the only one I find scary in any way

[tall sorrel]

I thought it was removed

[near meadow]

So is there two in reset day?

thats what I meant

[near hawk]

GN2 and Reset day which are full releases seem to try and follow that

[near hawk]

Okay then, it doesn't matter

[eager glade]

I didn't read it I just know guest looks like that in it and maritza is an adult and piper is Tilman nephew or smth

[near meadow]

The book got it wrong though since the neighbor is the guest in that book no?

Or the "GUEST"?

[gentle carbon]

little side thing, was that detective guy actually in any officially released stuff? or was he scrapped completely?

[near hawk]

Well uhh sorta but kinda no

[potent sand]

Guys is guest(s) more than 1

?

[near meadow]

You know, now the Aaron guest theory can come back to play, since he's missing in hn3 still

[eager glade]

It was revealed theo was also the guest in reset day?

[high brook]

does this make HG canon then

[eager glade]

He's important in s3 so we will see

[near meadow]

"A mustache underneath the beak" i remember the book describing that

[potent sand]

@eager glade

[near hawk]

There are moments when the guest like takes of his beak and Piper sees a mustache

[gentle carbon]

that is what we are currently trying to figure out I think

[high brook]

what if the guest is just theos brother franklin

[oblique parcel]

its implied ted is the guest in reset day yeah but it doesnt really fit with the current stuff

[near hawk]

That's kind of a big theory

[near meadow]

that too but it might be aaron

for hn3 atleast

[near hawk]

A fella named Dark was able to roughly make it make sense

[high brook]

but the guest exists the same time aaron is around in hn2 right? so then would the hn3 guest NOT be the guest?

but it would be aaron replacing him?

dawg this makes no sense

[near hawk]

Thing is, Nikita doesn't even know who guest from HN2 is

[high brook]

OH YEAA

right

[near hawk]

So it's completely possible HN3 and HN2 Guests are different

[eager glade]

I don't think so it's just the character maybe that's canon? Idk

[tall sorrel]

there's only one Guest
but I assume that only applies to the actual identity behind the costume

the Guest as a symbol/urban legend is a whole different beast

[gentle carbon]

Wouldn't it make the most sense if Nikita is just going to use what HN2 had and just do some retcon type stuff with it for 3

[near meadow]

Guest is something else for hn2 timeperiod. Not the hn2 GAME but around the time period of act 2 in hn1.

But in hn3 this would "The guest" and not the guest.

So "The guest" could be aaron

[high brook]

what if the guest is like a running tradition and when ever one of them dies they take the place of the guest

[near meadow]

that too

[near hawk]

Maybe

[gentle carbon]

thats what I was thinking

with it being a title

[near hawk]

Or it's just different perspectives of the guest

[potent sand]

Listen up, guys! I watched an animation, and there were a couple of kids and a woman in it, like in the game Secret Neighbor, I think she was a teacher, and then a couple of guests came and they tore her apart, her blood was everywhere. If I can find the animation, I'll post it on this server and tag you all.

[eager glade]

Something I thought of but not really the dying part

Still maybe

[near hawk]

I think the guest at it's core is a symbol, and the bearer of the symbol is different depending on the continuity

For HN2 it might even be a mutant or a crow monster or a possessed guy or whatever

And for HN3 it's different

[near meadow]

its a tall man

thats for sure

[eager glade]

It's most likely a possessed guy to me

[high brook]

what if all these theories are correct and they just co-exist at the same time

[eager glade]

because in hn3 we see the guests skin

[near hawk]

In what way exactly do you mean

[near meadow]

Its all because of mayak

Whatever it is

[eager glade]

It's rotted so it's def possessing someone for a long time

[near meadow]

thats what he said.

Everything is canon in a weird way

because of mayak

[high brook]

so the mayak controls the time loop as well?

crazy

[eager glade]

Nikita reading the chat rn

[near meadow]

Is timeloops a thing?

I know he's giggling after dropping a lore tease like that

everyone losing their minds

[eager glade]

It's been a huge thing about alot of things

[high brook]

imagine we are actually right about some of this stuff

[eager glade]

So ig so

[eager glade]

That'd be crazy

[tall sorrel]

Reset Day confirms to some degree time loops exist in the HN Universe

[near meadow]

That.....

and also the storm resets....

[near hawk]

Didn't you like, didn't you use them for your theory of who the guest is? Or do you mean if time loops are a thing currently and in HN3?

[near meadow]

Oh yeah i remember

[potent sand]

Guys!!!

[near meadow]

I used to think that the guest could be another mr peterson that overcame the timeloops and just kept living on and on each time slowly losing his mind and transforming into something horrid

[potent sand]

İ found itt!!!

[near hawk]

Nah Nikita probably thinks we're high

[eager glade]

my good friend coiny mentioned..

[high brook]

i wonder why so many scenes in the AS were censored

[near hawk]

Uhh

Idk

[eager glade]

season 2 will have ALLL bLooD!

[potent sand]

İ didnt understanf

[high brook]

i forgot about this lol

[potent sand]

İs this serie Canon?

[near meadow]

yes

[eager glade]

yeah

[near meadow]

Everything is canon

[potent sand]

Oh shoot

[near hawk]

How? Mayak.

[eager glade]

See this is why we need time loops in the lore and if EVERYTHING is cuz of mayak then mayak has to be something that makes them forget about the past and change perspectives or smth

[near hawk]

And perspectives

[potent sand]

İ didn't know the neighbor a serial killer

[eager glade]

this is how I feel like the ending of s3 would be

[near hawk]

Ngl I feel like that's a bit too simple and a bit too direct

[near meadow]

It all ties back to mayak\

[potent sand]

So what is mayak

[eager glade]

Pink beam thing flashes to the kids and john tinybuild tells us to read the books

[near hawk]

Since when is he a serial killer

[eager glade]

dammit man did you forget he killed chicken

[potent sand]

Yep

[near hawk]

Sorry I deserve stay in a flood 😔

[eager glade]

But fr tho that was the cults handy work masked acquaintance smth like whatever theo said

anyways

[eager glade]

no more flood

im still suspicious about the guest 👁 and the guest

[near meadow]

I think the eye was a reaction

Since he ended it after ""

and not in the ""

Guest and "Guest"

[near hawk]

The guest and the "guest"*

[eager glade]

suspicious still cuz he said last time "you haven't seen anything not yet 👁"

[eager glade]

Ɓleeuuhh

Steill

[finite carbon]

They are cooking with the new models!!!

[gentle carbon]

Im just really anticipating animations

[finite carbon]

Same

I wonder what the AI check animation will look like.

[buoyant torrent]

Something tells me that Hello neighbor 3 protagonist wearing a yellow outfit

[near meadow]

My theory on the guest and "Guest"

fake guest

[spring moth]

guys what do you think about the theory that In the ending of Reset Day all the time was reseted but the neighbor Is still there togheter with the guest that shows the are connected by somekind of curse

[near meadow]

I think the reason why the neighbor wore his gloves was tied to his curse with the guest

and maybe at one point between act 1 and 3, he killed the guest, freeing himself from this "Curse", and it ends with him removing those gloves.

and whatever this new thing is, popped up later on

"Guest". A different one.

A fake one

"guest" might be aaron

The guest, is the guest.

But in hello neighbor 3, its "guest" not "THE guest"

just "guest"

[chrome sun]

They probably used that for short

Idk

Short lettering

[near meadow]

I think someone should update the wiki page now

"Guest"

not the guest.

"Guest" is a different entity from THE guest

[earnest cape]

Okay thanks for answering! I’ve always noticed similarities between certain characters psychologically.

[wet agate]

i noticed this that hn3 prototype 2 map looks like hn2a2 map SLIGHTLY

[blissful river]

Uhhh definitely not intentional.

[peak solar]

I mean, some ideas from that era were probably saved

but the map wasn't copied exactly

[gentle carbon]

its similar

[tall sorrel]

it's a neat coincidence
#hn3-discussion message

[strange hill]

what on EARTH is mr pete taking to transform THAT MUCH

looked like that btw

[trim trout]

Am I the only one but the hn houses looks like the gnome alone house

[fleet sandal]

Man, this server had a party with Nikita! I'm so late!

[granite junco]

same

[neon ether]

Janusz + Mr.Peterson =

[near hawk]

I think we know too little to do that

[thick ferry]

He looks like a hello neighbor 3 character lol

I wonder if Nikitas characters and the buildings in hn3 was inspired by coralline

[near meadow]

well nikita pretty much confirmed it anyways

That "Guest" is a fake guest.

And I knew it too in a way.

Everything about "guest" looks different than what we normally know what he looks like, and I don't mean artstyle. Literally everything about him. His actions, his behavior, his sounds, even his gestures and outfit.

Meanwhile the neighbor looks like the neighbor, with the only difference being the artstyle, minus the gloves.

[restive oxide]

i think guest is just his name
THE implies a title
Guest is his name
The Guest is his title

now i could be wrong
but regardless
there is only one guest

a "fake guest" would still be a guest
and there's only one

[eager glade]

You mean like his name has no meaning its just guest? But nikita already said there's meaning to that name

[restive oxide]

i didn't say that

guest is the name given to him by the people of raven brooks
The Guest is his title, like how you would say "THE boogie man", or "THE monster under the bed"

[restive oxide]

a better example this being smith

[eager glade]

Ohh okay mb

[near meadow]

The thing is nikita differentiated

Did you not see what he said

The guest or the “Guest”

And add that along with the entire behavior and wardrobe change for the new “guest”

Neighbor looks like the neighbor, his wardrobe didn’t change minus the gloves.

There’s a reason why “guest” entirely different.

Whatever this is, the “guest” in hello neighbor 3 is not THE guest.

[near hawk]

Do we know that outside of Alex's statement?

[restive oxide]

nikita said this aswell i believe

[near meadow]

Yeah. There’s only one guest

So whatever we’re fighting here? Thats not the guest.

[near hawk]

I still stand by the common interpretation

The guest is the symbol, the legend

The "Guest" is the person.

Guy or creature.

[near meadow]

Thats not the same guest we were facing though

Thsts for sure. Thats NOT the same guest as the original we seen and played against.

[near meadow]

I’d say that too

Except for the fact, that the “guest” doesn’t even act like the guest

[near hawk]

How do we know this?

Oh I see

[near meadow]

Hes stupider

The guest has always been cryptid yet humanoid

[near hawk]

Different interpretation of the guest

People outside of town just heard the legends and figured he's some sort of animal

[near meadow]

You’re not thinking this right dude.

Because WHY does this interpretation of the guest NOT look like the guest?

Meanwhile the interpretation of the neighbor looks like the neighbor.

[near hawk]

When in reality, even if it is an animal(which has a fair amount of evidence against) he is more intelligent than that.

[near meadow]

Its way deeper than intepretation

Theres a reason why nikita deliberately kept the neighbors design the same, minus the gloves

[restive oxide]

you forget that when he revealed the concept art he called it "The Guest"

[near meadow]

Yeah I thought there was one

[restive oxide]

meaning the one in hn3 is, indeed, the guest

[near meadow]

But now nikita is differentiating the guest and “the guest”

[restive oxide]

yes but he called the hn3 one THE GUEST

just like how the one in hn2 is THE GUEST

[near meadow]

And i’d say its symbolic but there’s so many differences between the guest and “the guest”?

Especially when, the guest, acts so differently from the guest?

Every guest before hn3, the behavior of it was always the same.

[near hawk]

Bruh even in what should be the same interpretation the guest acts different

[near meadow]

Because every interpretation of the guest before hn3 was the same in terms of personality and behavior

[restive oxide]

even if guest is different from the guest
the one in patch 9 and hn3 are one in the same
both being "the guest"
end of story

[near meadow]

Then what was the point of saying this?

[near hawk]

In HNVR he has a calmer, more strategic, slower demeanor.
In patch 9 he is like a wild animal

It was not the same

[restive oxide]

guest is obviously someone different
but the guest is who we see in hn2 and hn3

[near meadow]

In the cancelled story teaser however…..

You can tell he did have a plan of something. He freed us after the cult kidnapped us.

But now patch 10 is gone and cancelled along with the story

[near hawk]

Okay? I'm not saying that's not on purpose. But it shows even then the guest wasn't the same everytime.

Even in the story teaser he is like... Walking around on all four

And beaking the ropes away

[near meadow]

Could be the guest possessing someone else

[restive oxide]

as far as i can tell
we have not yet met "guest"

[restive oxide]

he isn't supernatural

he can't possess people

[thick ferry]

What if someone is pretending to be the guest

[restive oxide]

nikita called the hn3 guest "the guest"

so no

[near meadow]

The aaron guest theory is VERY plausible for hn3’s guest though

[restive oxide]

no it isn't

[near meadow]

Not for hn2

[thick ferry]

Not really

[restive oxide]

the hn3 guest is the same as the hn2 guest

they are both "the guest"

and there is only one of the guest

[near hawk]

C'mon guys. Nikita doesn't even know who the HN2 guest is.

[restive oxide]

doesn't matter
they are both the guest

[near meadow]

You could say he’s referring to the town symbolism

But the other alternative is very possible too

[near hawk]

Yes. And again, if Nikita doesn't know who that guest is, it's pretty hard to make them the same guest

[restive oxide]

they are still both the guest

so

if you see any hn2 media
it's not "guest is returning"
it's "THE guest is returning"

[near hawk]

Wish it was this simple man.

[near meadow]

When I saw the neighbors design(wardrobe) not changing much, I expected the guest’s design to be the same as in the wardrobe from the others. Just with stylized anatomy

But no, what im saying is that this entire change had to be deliberate, not for stylistic purposes, but lore.

[restive oxide]

my guy it is 😔

[near meadow]

The entire outfit. Not the anatomy though.

[restive oxide]

ofc it was deliberate
not being supernatural doesn't make him human
we have no idea how the guest's development works

he could very much be an in universe creature

[near hawk]

Yet again I say, Nikita doesn't even know who the HN2 guest. If them being the same exact guest was this important then Nikita would have been told who the guest was.

It's not a linear story, different takes of the same person are still very much possible.

[restive oxide]

how do we know he hasn't been told
even if he did know he wouldn't tell us

obviously he would say he doesn't know

we know nothing

[near hawk]

#hn3-discussion message
Reading.

[restive oxide]

.

[restive oxide]

.

we know he didn't work on it

[near hawk]

And that he doesn't know his identity there.

[thick ferry]

So Nikita doesn’t know the whole hn2 story, cool

[near hawk]

He quite literally said he doesn't know the identity of the guest in HN2

[thick ferry]

Oh

[restive oxide]

but regardless of if nikita knows it or not
IT'S STILL the same in universe character

[thick ferry]

I was confused

[near hawk]

Yes

But again

It's not a linear story

[restive oxide]

we know

[near hawk]

Stuff is very different in between media, who is to say here that the guest doesn't have two different interpretations in universe?

[neon ether]

Guys, how is the weather?

[restive oxide]

but it's still the same character
no matter what
they are the same
they are both "the guest" until we are told otherwise

there is the "guest" and "the guest"
there is only one guest
both hn2 and hn3 guests are referred to as "the guest"

[restive oxide]

a bit warm

[near hawk]

I agree with that.

[thick ferry]

Cold

Really cold

[neon ether]

Me too

[restive oxide]

...

[near hawk]

Fortunately cold.

[thick ferry]

It’s cold cuz I’m from Sweden lol

[restive oxide]

then what are you even arguing if you agree with me

[near hawk]

It's the same character, I agree on that.

But interpretations of the character can still be different in universe.

That's what I'm saying.

For all we know in some interpretations Aaron is the guest.

That's where our arguing started.

[near meadow]

Im not saying hes supernatural

[restive oxide]

interpretations of the same character
don't change the character

[near meadow]

Not really. The neighbor was the guest in the books at one point.

AT one point.

The guest possesed him.

[restive oxide]

and it was retconned

[near hawk]

Yes?

[near meadow]

No it wasn't

NIkita deadass said, ALL of it is canon

[near hawk]

The actual real character that is there

[thick ferry]

Wait really?

[near meadow]

Different timeloop though

[restive oxide]

i meant the neighbor being the guest

[near meadow]

since timeloops are the thing

[eager glade]

what are we talkinsbouts

[near hawk]

Is the same one no matter what.

[thick ferry]

Oh alright

[near meadow]

Yeah in the hello guest GAME.

The BOOOKS are still canon though

[thick ferry]

Guest being different I think?

[near meadow]

And he was in fact being possessed by the guest, in those same books.

[near hawk]

But according to different interpretations who is behind the beak, can differ.

[near meadow]

Debating on the topic whether the guest or "the guest" in hello neighbor 3 are different or the same

[near hawk]

Or in some It's just the beak

[near meadow]

My argument for this specific timeline

[restive oxide]

ok
but
doesn't nikita saying the guest isn't supernatural
kind of retcon that
a little bit

[near meadow]

Aye, man

its weird

buts its canon in an this story

[restive oxide]

cuz possessing someone is pretty supernatural

[near meadow]

at the end of the day

All of it points to mayak.

Maybe he isn't supernatural in hello neighbor 3

[restive oxide]

he isn't supernatural at all.

[near hawk]

Swapping bodies with someone using dolls is pretty supernatural too...

[near meadow]

but in hello neighbor books he def was supernatural. And the books are canon in a way

And all of this is because of mayak

But in the GAME?

[near hawk]

Changing from crow to man is supernatural too

[near meadow]

hes not a supernatural

[near hawk]

How do we explain that?

[restive oxide]

he doesn't swap bodies wth
you just play as different characters

[restive oxide]

that's in the guest world
duh

[near meadow]

The vr game is nikita's timeline

too

Which makes it WAY more plausible that the guest and aaron either swapped or fused.

in this timeline

[restive oxide]

this is like saying trinity and body swap with delroy.

[near hawk]

How do we know it's guest world? The files

[eager glade]

its the same

[restive oxide]

and you literally see the void and floating stuff..?

[near meadow]

Then whats your reason of the interpretation other than just "symbolism"

[restive oxide]

once again
in the guest world

[near meadow]

because yes, its valid, but the other choice is valid too

[near hawk]

Which before the non-supernatural statement, people thought was actually literal

[restive oxide]

the guest world is insanely weird
we don't know how it works

it's basically dream world

[eager glade]

wasnt guest body just decayed and stuff i dont rlly get interpretation or symbolism meaning tbh

[near hawk]

Try to dig in the files of the graphic novel now.

[eager glade]

i just think its been many years and with all the storms and stuff his identity is revealing itself

[restive oxide]

you don't need the files for the guest world

[near meadow]

Nikita differentiated The thing is......I thought the guest was gonna look the same just stylized. Just like the neighbor looking the same as always.

But this time? The guest? Looks completely, different in terms of "Design" not artstyle looks.

[restive oxide]

nikita has mentioned the guest world being a dream world

[near hawk]

Everyone has a non-normal body. We know that's really just stylish choices

[restive oxide]

and when you play as nicky you see very non normal things
that are extremely guest world like

[eager glade]

oh i forgot about that

[restive oxide]

and when we see guest transform
we literally look into the void with a floating room 😭

[near hawk]

#old-rbo-discussion message

[eager glade]

actually we might get to see it in s3

[near meadow]

This guest is far more human than cryptid like we saw in the other games

[restive oxide]

he didn't say it at development

he said this in an interview

last year

[near meadow]

Im calling it, this guest is aaron. There's a reason why he's still missing, its either the guest killed him, or he's the guest there's no inbetween. For hello neighbor 3 specifically

Or another aaron is just chilling under a different name and identity

[restive oxide]

hn3 isn't technically canon yet
so
him not being there
means nothing

[near hawk]

Didn't you like actually think he did that too at first?

[restive oxide]

no

[thick ferry]

Or maybe Aaron is an orphan now /joke

[restive oxide]

we were very obviously in a dream world

[near hawk]

Okay might have mixed you up with the most of the community that did.

[eager glade]

probably after hn vr aaron is still missing

so probably dead or smth idk

[restive oxide]

aaron is like 44 in hn3
he has better things to do than
sprint around the forest
in the dark
whining
and kidnapping random people
while running on all fours at 30mph

so

[near hawk]

Tbf the town is kinda broken, blud just does some cosplaying for fun.

His oversized beak hits people by mistake

[restive oxide]

notice that last line

[near hawk]

He's misunderstood

[thick ferry]

Wasn’t there like a huge lake in raven brooks in hn2
Why is it not there anymore I think

[near hawk]

Because Nikita didn't base the HN3 map on the HN2 map, basically.

[thick ferry]

Oh alright

[near hawk]

The similarities were just neat coincidences that tbf aren't very hard to achieve.

[near meadow]

Brother, you never know where aaron went, for all we know he probably lost his mind from the grief and trauma he was in

This IS a possiblity to consider.

[restive oxide]

i don't think losing his mind would be enough cause to run around the forest on all fours at 30mph

[subtle bridge]

this game is great i cant stop getting touched by some rando on all fours

[near meadow]

You never know if thats the case.

He never returned to the town

he just dissapeared and ran away from home, into the forest.

Never to be seen again.

[restive oxide]

great phrasing

[near meadow]

Being alone for so long can cause this

[restive oxide]

no i mean

[near meadow]

He believed that he himself made 'Bad things happen"

and eventually he probably just became one with this broken ideology. ANd this fake "guest" is the result/

Thats a possibility im gonna consider but that doesn't mean it has to happen.

But him considering all that has happened to him makes sense.

He would distance himself from anyone, if he were free, he would isolate himself because he "makes bad things happen"