lore-discussion

[eager island]

well theres something interestin in that statues textures

[ripe berry]

?

and even then I think the head's noticeably different in Prototype 2

[ripe berry]

so yeah, we literally hadn't seen anything yet because our first looks at Statue!Guest weren't until Prototypes 2 and 3

[ripe berry]

...is that an eye?

[eager island]

apparently

[tiny verge]

wait why is there even an eye

[eager island]

tongue and ear too

[tiny verge]

actually

[ripe berry]

and even then Prototype 2 Dweller Scarecrow looks completely different to Prototype 3's Statue!Guest
(and Prototype 1's God Statue was just a blockout Guest Design)

[tiny verge]

didn't Nikita use the eye emoji a few times when talking about the "Guest"..?

[eager island]

yeah

[tiny verge]

I mean it might not be connected but like it's still weirdly fits

[limber ridge]

I saw it more as just "ooh hype" than anything but who knows

[ripe berry]

referenced up here

[eager island]

scarecrow and statue has similar but not same purposes too

[tiny verge]

yeah I kinda still do but I'm not against the idea that it could be deeper

[eager island]

i always thought it like its a scrapped design or something

[tiny verge]

mostly because I don't have a strong opinion on alot of the lore anymore

[ripe berry]

I still see it as meant to be the same
it's a part of the Guest Festival's evolution over the Prototypes
a Guest Statue seems to be consistent between them all

[tiny verge]

makes sense

[eager island]

the statue also stops the forest dweller in prototype 3 doesnt it?

[ripe berry]

I think in Prototype 2 at least

I don't remember for Prototype 1

[limber ridge]

For prototype 1 dweller wasn't even an npc iirc

[eager island]

for prototype 2 too

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah wait

[ripe berry]

also yeah no the people of Raven Brooks definitely see the Guest as a godly being if Nikita was originally calling the Guest Statue StatueGod in the files

[ripe berry]

Dweller just like spawned if you stayed in the darkness for too long

[silver vine]

wait, how is Forest Dweller separate from the guest? I thought they were the same?

[ripe berry]

they are the same but also they aren't
Nikita doesn't know what the WtRB/HN2 Guest Lore is
Nikita also made a message separating the Guest and the "Guest"

[silver vine]

I saw that

how do we know Nikita doesnt know what the WtRB/HN2 Guest Lore is

for all we know it could be the same guest

[ripe berry]

he's said so

lemme get the link

@silver vine here: #hn3-discussion message

[silver vine]

hmm

also, Mike

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-always-after-all-this-time-severus-snape-harry-potter-gif-13431842

[ripe berry]

(it's still canon though)

[ripe berry]

👍

[silver vine]

two versions of the same character seems a bit confusing

[ripe berry]

the Guest is also not supernatural so make that upwards of three versions of the same character!

[ripe berry]

(Neighbor Guest from GN2 + RD, HN2 Guest, and HN3 Guest)

[silver vine]

damn

hopefully we'll atleast get a proper conclusion for the HN2 Guest story in AS season 3

[limber ridge]

5 at least

[ripe berry]

that's not the conclusion
that's the beginning (that is if we can even use WtRB for lore anymore)

[silver vine]

not a "conclusion" but more like a mystery solved

[ripe berry]

I currently see WtRB as the FNaF Novel Trilogy of the HN Lore

[wanton roost]

alex has talked mmm

[silver vine]

theres also HNVR

[limber ridge]

(unless VR!Guest is actually HN2!Guest and VR just appears earlier due to WTRB having different continuity)

[ripe berry]

a separate universe that can still be looked at for answers that the games and books may not provide

[wanton roost]

weve seen guest in a way in wtrb

not sure where or how

[limber ridge]

(and also i count forest dweller or the "guest" as one of them too since he has the same role as other Guests)

[ripe berry]

fair

[limber ridge]

There's:
Red eyed crow
Shmoeface
Symbols from the black book
Skulls from the s1 finale door

As posibilities

[silver vine]

whats schmoeface

[ripe berry]

there's
God!Guest (Just a Raven Brooks Folktale)
VR!Guest (Unknown)
HN2!Guest (Unknown)
Books!Guest/Raven Man (Theodore)
HN3!Guest/Forest Dweller (Unknown)

[ripe berry]

a nickname for the crowface in S2E1 that has a unique design compared to most of the others in the series

[limber ridge]

Yeah atp i think that guy isn't any important but is something to keep in mind

[eager island]

the guest is "god"
forest dweller, on the other hand, is someone who acts like thr god and leads his worshipppers bad stuff

such as sacrificing children

[silver vine]

so, you're telling me that the guest that chases us thru the forest is not actually the guest but a pretender?

[eager island]

for hn3, yes

[silver vine]

damn

[ripe berry]

or well, "The Real Guest" is not a real person in HN3

the Festival Statue is the "Real Guest"

[silver vine]

Real Guest seems underwhelming

[eager island]

cough cough nevercook guest cough cough

[silver vine]

hes not even a bird man anymore

[ripe berry]

yeah...

[eager island]

yeah both of them are not

[limber ridge]

Dweller isn't bird either

[silver vine]

whaa

[limber ridge]

Yeah i liked that aspect about the guest

But we'll see what he is like in HN3

[safe charm]

Yeah guest ain’t a bird anymore

Like he kinda has a beak but that’s it

[limber ridge]

(If anything more than some kind of mysterious deity, that îs which i doubt)

[ripe berry]

a festival that the townsfolk perform due to viewing it as protecting them from the storms
One that the Golden Apple Corporation ended in ~1980 before beginning to corrupt the symbol due to greed for their own purposes

[limber ridge]

"Beak" as Nikita said.

[silver vine]

final question, is this guy the guest or not? is he a birb or not?

[safe charm]

He’s not a bird

No

[ripe berry]

this is Dweller

[eager island]

its forest dweller,
and he is not bird

and the "real" one is also not a bird

[silver vine]

which is so weird to me

[ripe berry]

welcome to Hello Neighbor 3 Lore

[silver vine]

the guest has always been a bird

since, y'know

RAVEN Brooks

[eager island]

brooks of ravens

[safe charm]

I think Nikita is kinda rebooting the guest for hn3

Lore wise

[silver vine]

why do they still call it the guest then

[eager island]

the guest and "the guest"

[safe charm]

Btw i wanted to ask

Do you think Ted was the guest in book lore?

[silver vine]

book lore is a whole different level of rabbit hole

[limber ridge]

I think so in regular books, a bit more complimicated for GN2

Solely due to GN2 having 2 Guests

[safe charm]

This is so confusing

WTH is going on

[ripe berry]

(One that crashes Pris and Regina's Car in the beginning and NeighborGuest)

[limber ridge]

GuestPersona theory sound intensifies

[ripe berry]

(for context for tinyCro: #lore-discussion message)

[safe charm]

Isn’t this litteraly Ted sweater

Or is it just guest

It looks like Ted’s

[glacial whale]

I’ll be honest I never saw that as his sweater. I honestly didn’t even know what that was

[silver vine]

what does the "mindset" mean

[ripe berry]

Yes
under the whole GuestPersona idea this is symbolic of Ted fully adopting the Guest Persona for awhile up until post-Reset Day pre-HN3 times

[ripe berry]

Like the whole thoughts of "Taking what [people] don't deserve"

[safe charm]

Anyways so I assume book lore is now closer to the game lore than AS is

(Reset day and gn2 probably not though)

But the 2 first trilogy’s

[silver vine]

what the hell does that mean

[safe charm]

Nikita worked close with the books

He didn’t help with AS besides some suggestions he didn’t even know was taken into consideration

[silver vine]

ah

[limber ridge]

It always overlapped more

Books had differences yes but AS had much more

[silver vine]

yeah, act 1 in the books was almost 1:1

[ripe berry]

and also Alex explicitly has called WtRB standalone (and also "semi-canon")

[limber ridge]

But still not exactly the same continuity since mayak was supposed to explain it

[silver vine]

yeah, he finally admitted that after years of saying its the definitive canon which connects all games

[limber ridge]

If they were supposed to be the same then a magical weather station wouldn't be needed to make them in the same universe would it?

[ripe berry]

and Nikita said the Games and Books were tied pretty close in October 2020, after GN2 was written and after RD had already begun development

(and already had the Mayak explanation in mind by February 2020)

[ripe berry]

I do not care about WtRB being standalone I'm still treating anything from WtRB that doesn't contradict the Games/Books as canon until proven otherwise

[silver vine]

I mean, the cult uses coins in the AS instead of luck devices

also did we ever figure out how the coins work

[ripe berry]

not for sure but my guess is losing the coin causes like a sudden burst of bad luck that also makes the coin rusted

[ripe berry]

(both coins and luck devices exist in the games due to HN2 and HNVR)

[limber ridge]

I think it causes bad luck when you have them, then "explodes" causing something severe like death once you lose them

[silver vine]

how does luck device exist in the games?

we've only ever seen coins

[ripe berry]

forgot we were separating the books and games rn...
snap that's a good point.

[limber ridge]

I think the island actually was gonna have them

There's something that resembles one on a chalkboard

[ripe berry]

was that used in the final Hello Engineer?

[limber ridge]

Nah i don't think so

[silver vine]

didnt MITH have a cameo in AS?

what is his lore relevence

[ripe berry]

prevailing theory is still that he's the Missing Journalist who recorded the tapes in HN2

he's in a similar situation to Norman Darby but not Norman Darby himself

[dense raven]

some think he's MJ I still stand on that his facial features are too different

I think """"realistically"""" he "doesn't" have plot relevance with what we have right now

he's kinda like just there

could be a cameo for the sake of cameo but hopefully it means we'll see more of him

[limber ridge]

Just remembered of a difference in between games(observable with just the games themselves)

That is in HaS Nicky is in Raven Brooks when the Peterson family arrives while Diaries says Nicky moved in after them.

[ripe berry]

to be fair... fair point (but only if you take into account the HNHS Trailers)

otherwise you could throw a variety of excuses for why the boxes are there in HNHS Stage 1

I also keep forgetting March 31st exists when talking about HNHS
aka Mya and Aaron spent two whole days not knowing where their parents are or that Diane was dying in a hospital (Dinner Time March 30th -> Dinner Time April 1st)
also unhappy Diane Death day.

[ripe berry]

HNHS Launch trailer shows 19 days before the Crash
first one where Nicky's proved to be in RB is 9 days before the Car Crash (Lights in Nicky's House turning on/off)
Just noting down things

[limber ridge]

It's really funny that Raven Brooks has 2 bird people urban legends to me.(Forest protectors and the raven man)

[dense raven]

they murdered the rest because they were competition

[limber ridge]

Cinema.

[eager island]

presumably the player is working for Golden Apple

[wanton roost]

AND most likely female with the skirt but we will have to wait and see cuz its unknown

[ripe berry]

well looks like Golden Apple Corp wasn't fully driven out of the area

[eager island]

i mean yeah, thats why i said "largely"

they are still paying janusz

[ripe berry]

and now the protagonist is from them

[eager island]

yeah

i will be reposting something gimme a sec

the player probably something like company representative, like they came to town to decide about the company's future in town, see how is the life going after storm (?) that made town half-abandoned

[ripe berry]

seems Nikita also partly changed the no ties to the town thing
like they still aren't directly tied to RB
BUT they kinda work for a company that has had major impacts on Raven Brooks for decades now

(and if you wanna apply book lore to HN3 was even founded in Raven Brooks)

[ripe berry]

yeah no that's the Golden Apple Logo

(some people thought it was something else)

[eager island]

yeah

[eager island]

i have been trying to figure out what may made the town abandon the guest and his festival

theres something i got in mind but probably this is not true:

thats probably ties to lucy yi's death, in the opening lucy died and people thought something like the guest killed her for some reason, hence why vandals are sacrifacing isaac in the way lucy is dead

[ripe berry]

I would say this
However ain't there a problem with this?
using only HN3, the festival ends in 1980, and the GAAP opens in ~1984

[eager island]

yeah thats why i think this is not true

[ripe berry]

as per the map listing itself as being from 1984

[eager island]

but something like "the guest killed lucy yi" folklore is probably there

[ripe berry]

and I feel like the GA Corp wouldn't actively promote the Amusement Park on the map if Lucy Yi had died by this point

[eager island]

it further alienated people from the festival, which was already cancelled

[ripe berry]

I think it's just Golden Apple Corporation meddling in general
like the corporation influences the town to abandon the festival in exchange for plays in the cinema

[ripe berry]

and then they overtime start using the Guest as a mascot for their town, corrupting the symbol due to corporate greed

[eager island]

would you say the 2028 citizens are revives festival because they know that "stops the storm" or its for fun or smth

and like mostly of them are young people

[ripe berry]

Idk, I feel like the Historian has something to do with it though since they do know about the stops the storm thing

[eager island]

people who haven't grown up in this culture

[ripe berry]

Historian and Neighbor are the only ones we know are old enough to remember the original festival

and the Neighbor definitely doesn't seem to want the festival back
The Historian however...

[eager island]

keep in mind that she is called "Historian" by townspeople
she is not an historian

this only makes me think she is like that one grandma who always talks about how good is past

[ripe berry]

(graffiti depicting the God!Guest stopping the storm)

[ripe berry]

then again Historian lives in the Museum (in Prototype 3) so...

[eager island]

she also has an id card doesnt she?

[ripe berry]

yeah

[eager island]

so she was like museum employee or something

[ripe berry]

but either way, she definitely kickstarts the Guest Festival revival in Raven Brooks, she's the only one we know who's both old enough and would fit with her character to be the one to cause the revival

Janusz doesn't really fit due to stereotype so even if he is old enough he wouldn't really be the one to begin to bring back the festival
Iris doesn't exist in Pre-Alpha but if she did she'd be too young
Isaac is WAY too young
Signed, Coned, and Covered are literally working against the festival
Neighbor's against the festival
the Forest Dweller is... the Forest Dweller
Jacob's likely not too much older then Iris

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

only one who could explain the original Guest Festival and potentially has the drive to bring is back is the Historian

[eager island]

and the vandals are not that old too

theyre teenagers

[eager island]

this also fits with historian and coned being a "prophet" i think

[ripe berry]

yeah

[eager island]

coned is false prophet
historian is prophet of "real guest"

[dreamy sluice]

maybe she studied and provided stuff for the museum, like some sort of... what's the word... historian

[ripe berry]

also explains why the Historian is important enough that based off who Nikita has shown non-blockout models exist of now is a part of the Pre Alpha
the whole Festival thing happening RELIES on her existence

[cerulean knot]

Thank Goodness You're Here

They need what Nikitas selling

[slow root]

What if our character was sent to Raven Brooks to find and retrieve something (kinda like Secret of The Mimic)

[eager island]

for example, what?

[slow root]

That, I have no idea. Maybe it could be like Hello Guest where we're looking for the weather station or something like that.

It could also be something kinda like Quentin where we're there for investigation reasons.

Or my most outlandish and least likely idea, we're sent there to die. Kinda like Iron Lung.

[limber ridge]

Oh hey doesn't the stranger having a job at golden apple kind of prevent HN3 from being stories told around a campfire about Raven Brooks' fate?

[wanton roost]

whats goin on

[slow root]

I don't think that was ever intended to have a story implication. I'm pretty sure that was just a placeholder concept for the whole "choose your path" kinda thing.

[slow root]

Theories and stuff.

[wanton roost]

ohh cool

[limber ridge]

Lore-discussion

[slow root]

Like different people telling a story differently and saying that different things happen which we're playing through.

[dreamy sluice]

not really, given the player

dies in the storm

presumably

i don't believe any of the campers are related to you at all

[ripe berry]

well... yes and no.

actually no wait no just yeah it prevents campfire story theory

[oblique helm]

Please

Someone

Anyone

I'm boreeed

[silver vine]

wait, why is Neighbor against the festival?

[silver vine]

wait what prophet?

[wanton roost]

its smth to do with one of the guests its similar to what the cult does i think even tho like cult aint in hn3 and has no colleration to it maybe

frigid

tell me

[limber ridge]

There's a theory going around that HN3 has some sort of religious metaphors.
The neighbor as the Devil
The Forest dweller as the anti Christ.
The real Guest/statue guest as God

[wanton roost]

never mind its been told

[limber ridge]

And so, following this, Coned is the dweller's "prophet" and Historian the "prophet" of the statue guest
(Prophet in quotes since they aren't exactly that)

[limber ridge]

(the dweller and neighbor don't work together but this is a rough metaphor so there's no need to make it 1:1)

[silver vine]

where is it stated they are "prophets"

[limber ridge]

Coned is pretty much the leader of the vandals, whom worship the dweller.
Historian is one of the oldest members and as such it'd make sense that she is all for the festivals and the Guest by proxy.
Not literally prophets but lead others to their respective "gods"

[ripe berry]

HN3 Prototype 3 Festival Ending has him actively destroy the statue

[eager island]

and the keyart symbolizes that

he is blocking the sun that guest caused to rise

which is what he is doing in the prototype 3 ending

[glacial whale]

What is this

[versed yacht]

He split the apple in half with a thing that's pretty cool

Just realized this is lore discussion what does this image mean for the lore

[limber ridge]

Hey i've seen this image on Adam's tumblr with the caption of "this is Nicky from the HN movie"

[glacial whale]

Red apple?

I’ve already tried to connect the dots on the red apple situation

[limber ridge]

Did you figure out anytheeng

[glacial whale]

As you can see theres a lot of red shades here but only a green apple. Act 1 is absent of the red apple but I haven’t fully checked Act 3. This would confirm raven brooks has a ban on red apples

[limber ridge]

What If they just are in Raven Brooks but as a minority?

[ripe berry]

I mean there's drawings of Red Apples

on an unrelated note
after WtRB Season 3 and HN3 Pre-Alpha someone needs to try to make a unified theory to explain everything about the Guest
In terms of priority for explaining, I'd say:
HN3
HNVR
GN2 (since books are "canon but not in a way you think")
HN2 (technically already works under non-supernatural Guest but still)
Reset Day (ditto)
SN (since it's imagination)
WtRB (since it's only semi-canon, but it'd be neat if literally everything Guest could be fit into a singular theory after HN3 Pre-Alpha and WtRB S3)

[glacial whale]

They’ll be found one day

[limber ridge]

Isn't Guestpersona theory kinda that?

No wait

Misunderstood it kinda

Well Guestpersona still explains VR

[ripe berry]

it is kinda that, but to a lesser extent
I was saying like something that makes everything completely coherent (GuestPersona neglects RD completely but RD can technically work with it)
and I mean like try to explain every piece we have because while GuestPersona is a framework what Vector shared of the theory doesn't really go in-depth to explain how every scene and a couple of implications could work under it

and also explaining, for instance:
What happens to HN2!Guest after their brief appearance in GN2?

and ending it off with a complete Guest Timeline if possible

and because HN3 Pre-Alpha and WtRB S3 could completely change the GuestPersona Theory

plus even if GuestPersona remains the prevailing theory
having a document to explain it to newcomers would be great

[silver vine]

yes but why

[silver vine]

isnt WtRB like, the origin story for the guest or smth?

[ripe berry]

A version of the Guest, because as we've said HN2/WtRB Guest, Books Guest, and HN3 Guest are likely three different entities

[silver vine]

if WtRB is like the origin, but then if that iteration of the guest wont be in HN3 or anywhere else, then whats the point

[ripe berry]

probably similar to his motive for the flood in GN2

[ripe berry]

He wants the town to feel the same suffering, the same loss, that he has

So when the festival threatens that he tries to stop it

[silver vine]

also

how is the neighbors old house still in town in HN3 prototype

didnt it get destroyed

[ripe berry]

I mean it's also intact in Reset Day despite having been burnt down for years between 1996 and 2017

Theodore or someone probably rebuilt it at some point

[silver vine]

but then it still looks abandoned and rundown

[silver vine]

also, does this mean that thats the location the neighbor will be in

[ripe berry]

possibly...?

[silver vine]

now, is Nikita retconning the burning of the house?

or did the burning happen but was much less extreme than what we saw in HN1?

[ripe berry]

I mean, it'd be a weird back and forth, plus Nikita still has the everything is canon but it's due to Mayak stuff

[limber ridge]

The house isn't that intact in proto 3 either is it

[ripe berry]

HN1 - House burns down
RD - Actually no it doesn't
HN2 - Actually yes it does
HN3 - Actually no it doesn't

[ripe berry]

way more intact then in HN1

[silver vine]

does anyone have a pic of it

[limber ridge]

Idk, looking at some images it looks destroyed enough that i'd say it's not that much of a change if it was just an out of universe thing

[ripe berry]

(image from WaitForIt)

[silver vine]

holy graphics

[limber ridge]

Okay nvm

[ripe berry]

there's also the badge in SN that talks about an abandoned ruin so make of things what you will

[ripe berry]

compared to HN1 Act 3 this is almost completely intact

[silver vine]

it looks similar to RD

[ripe berry]

(RD Neighbor House for comparison)

[silver vine]

I mean, this house is technically the most important/focal point in the town, atleast for us, so, I dont think its just gonna be swept under the rug

[ripe berry]

actually wait
this image shows scaffolding (I think that's scaffolding at least) on the side of the house which isn't there in any of the games, which implies at some point after HN2 construction was done on the house

so yeah it might've actually just been rebuilt after Act 3

but then of course due to the history of the house no one touches it afterwards and it quickly falls back into disrepair due to the storms

after all, as per Kryptqn Veronie, there's a good chance another major storm hits ~2021-2024, which explains why the house is in the state it's in in HN3 if it was only rebuilt in ~2018-2021, only at most 10 years ago
#lore-discussion message

[silver vine]

wait, how much is the time jump from the end of HN1 to HN3

[ripe berry]

HN1 -> 2017
HN3 (as per Neighbor's Age) -> 2028

[ripe berry]

or well
Nikita has both said 19 years after Act 1 for Act 3 (so 2015) and the year HN1 came out (2017)
so you can gain 2 extra years between HN1's End and HN3 (and HN1's End and RD) if you take 19 years after Act 1 as more reliable

[silver vine]

what is his age exactly?

[ripe berry]

actually, thinking about it some more
I think 2015 is the intention
since didn't the first build of HN1 drop in 2015?
and it was Ari I think who said when HN1 dropped was 2017, when it could apply to first build instead of final game

[ripe berry]

85 (Nikita has also said the Neighbor was born in 1943)

[silver vine]

no Nikita himself said that HN1 takes place the year it released

[safe charm]

I’ve tried to justify this as not supernatural but i just can’t anymore

[ripe berry]

#hn3-discussion message
#hn3-discussion message

[safe charm]

I don’t know what happened here

Why is Guest like this?

[ripe berry]

which I was just saying could have multiple meanings
does he mean when the first build went public (which aligns with the 19 year after Act 1 thing so Imma actually go with that in the future) or when the full game released

[silver vine]

when actually does act 1 take place now

1993?

[ripe berry]

no, still 1996 I think

[silver vine]

1994?

isnt the neighbor like 51 or smth in HN1

[safe charm]

Btw you all Think nicky was friend with Aaron? In game lore

[limber ridge]

I think with the books it's harder to tell since we don't see anything, some of this could just be figurative. "It's ALMOST as though the beak has disappeared."
With the perspective stuff it's also possible that maybe Piper(reset day protag) thought the guest supernatural.

[safe charm]

Ik hnd but still that’s very book based

[ripe berry]

1. that was 50 in HNHS
2. that was Nikita's memory since he didn't have the document with all of the dates pulled up, same with the HN1 Release thing

[limber ridge]

Game Lore is very dispersed in of itself too

Like HN2 and HN3 go with different stuff

Same for VR

[ripe berry]

he also gave 47 just before 50 so yeah

[limber ridge]

So it kind of is due to HND

Even If that may not apply to all games

[silver vine]

wheres Nicky in HN3

[ripe berry]

(1995-50 = 1945, 1995-1943 = 52, Nikita was only two years off)

[silver vine]

didnt he move back in

[ripe berry]

to be fair, Nikita would need to figure out if Nicky works in the story of HN3 before adding him

right now he ain't focused on fan-service returning characters and stuff

[silver vine]

why and how is the neighbor actually still in Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

plus it's easy to argue Nicky left in the 13 years between HN1 and HN3

[limber ridge]

If he doesn't appear in full HN3 im thinking either:
He died.
He left.
He just isn't there due to narrative reasons rather than in-universe reasons

Though the last one feels kinda like a..

Idk, a cop out(?)

[silver vine]

where was the neighbor when Nicky came back? you think Nicky ever saw him again?

[ripe berry]

why? Has nowhere else to go, can't exactly leave town when you're still a wanted criminal
how? In hiding since RB itself doesn't have cops atm

[ripe berry]

Idk man probably off pretending to be the Guest or whatever

[silver vine]

wdym

[safe charm]

How do you all Think Reset day is still Canon?

Just Wondering

How it could work

[ripe berry]

(no cops: #hn3-discussion message)

[ripe berry]

was referencing Reset Day

[ripe berry]

1. bro just runs.
2. ALMOST, the beak is still there, but they can clearly see Ted's mustache through it, notice how the "beak" returns just a step later, because it made the mustache no longer visible
3. Smoke from the mouth? could be a few things possibly including (first thing I thought of off the top of my head) the Neighbor becoming a smoker

[safe charm]

Hmm

[safe charm]

Btw guest in reset day has to be the Neighbor right?

[limber ridge]

I heard he smoked in HE

But i'm not sure

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

plus notice outside of the time they say almost (which implies nothing actually changed) when the Guest's "form" changes or disappears it's accompanied by an action that prevents Piper from seeing what's actually happening

(rubbing her eyes, squeezing them shut, etc)

[safe charm]

Oh yeah

Hmm

Also in gn2 is Ted guest too?

[ripe berry]

that one's a bit more complicated due to the intro and the Nest, I'd say this book retroactively has three Guests, HN2!Guest (Intro, causes the Car Crash Regina and Pris got into), How Regina sees the Guest (The Nest Scene) and NeighborGuest (Ending)

(I believe something similar to Vector's beliefs on the Guest but factoring in Reset Day btw)

[safe charm]

Im assuming hes wearing an advanced costume likely

I mean heck the cult in AS do bird sounds too

[ripe berry]

yeah, so bird sounds aren't exactly a sign of being supernatural

it's likely built into the mask somehow or smth

and with HNVR Guest most of it's probably metaphorical (like how HN1 shows the Thing doing stuff even though the Thing doesn't actually exist in any capacity outside of being a representation of fear in the HN1 Storyline)

[ripe berry]

Dark Dream is imagination, reality, and metaphors layered ontop of each other, nothing seen there can be taken at face value

[safe charm]

Also guest uses a phone

Which doesnt seem very creature like

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

this is something that almost every HN Game has had in common, overlaying imagination and metaphors ontop of reality, either for the sake of gameplay like Hello Engineer, story, or both like with HN1 and HNHS

[stoic juniper]

I'm back chat

Only took me 2 weeks

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[alpine crystal]

No

[alpine crystal]

Probably representing something. But also explain the guest itself

[alpine crystal]

1996 actually

[alpine crystal]

Let Nicky rest

[alpine crystal]

To know more about the Mayaks

[alpine crystal]

Cough cough, It has always been canon

Everything is canon

[alpine crystal]

You cheated on HN with HE

[ripe berry]

I'd say the most likely idea for what the Guest is is what we're currently calling GuestPersona
#lore-discussion message

[alpine crystal]

Theodore isn't the guest
The guest can transform into Theodore

[alpine crystal]

Probably

[ripe berry]

Guest isn't Supernatural mate

Nikita and Alex have both confirmed it

[green ermine]

so is the guest just like...

a creature

very odd one

[wicked heath]

The Guest is GOD

(And you’ve also got the “Guest”)

[limber ridge]

The Guest is everyone and no one

[limber ridge]

I thought you knew the Guest wasn't supernatural lol

[alpine crystal]

I knew

[oblique helm]

He is a mother shlickity shlucking shapeshifter

[limber ridge]

Shapeshifter but not in a way we think

[stoic juniper]

Erm

[eager island]

the museum is GA property, so this also makes historian an GA employee then?

[unkempt sleet]

do you say that because the museum is yellow or

is there something else

[eager island]

i think the yellow places are GA properties, theres supermarket which is yellow and cable car (we know thats GA property) is also yellow

[thorny vale]

It doesnt make sense for the GA to own the bakery

[unkempt sleet]

does that mean like normal peoples houses are GA property aswell

[limber ridge]

How so

[thorny vale]

And jacobs house LOL
If thats what that one building is i forgot

[eager island]

it might be random but both cable car and supermarket being GA property and they being marked yellow just makes me think that

and like its a map for advertising GA stuff i think

[silver vine]

why isnt golden apple corp mentioned anywhere in HN2

other than the actual physical golden apples in the neighbors houses

[safe charm]

Different writers idk

[wanton roost]

do we even see ferris wheel

in fg

[thorny vale]

In hn2fg
No

[limber ridge]

Drawings iirc lol

[wanton roost]

wow they messed up this bad

[thorny vale]

The fg was done on a testmap LOL

[wanton roost]

wow

could this get any worse

[ripe berry]

oh so THATS what the yellow color meant

also it makes COMPLETE sense with Hello Neighbor 2 where there's Golden Apples in the Museum and the newspaper talks about Investors pulling out from the Raven Brooks Museum and putting funding somewhere that brings tears to the residents of Raven Brooks RIGHT around the point where in the Welcome to Raven Brooks timeline they're starting to get investors to fund the Golden Apple Amusement Park, a location that brings tears to the residents of Raven Brooks due to Lucy Yi

[ripe berry]

yep

[ripe berry]

I mean, depending on how you interpret the relation of the Tasty Bakery to HN2's Bakery and/or the timeline of Janusz it DOES make sense for the Tasty Bakery to be owned by the Golden Apple Corporation by 1984
(What I currently believe to be Janusz Lore: #lore-discussion message)

[ripe berry]

The Golden Apple Corporation buying out the Tasty Bakery actually explains the one gap in his story which is why the Tasty Bakery would shut down

at this time the Golden Apple Corporation is still in the hands of the Raven Society, and well they already have their own Bakery, so might as well buy out and shut down the competition, because as we know from Welcome to Raven Brooks
Someone has to suffer for someone else to soar.

[ripe berry]

(but this message is just me trying to tie HN3 Lore to the lore of previous games)

[safe charm]

Still annoying how we can’t be sure to even trust games anymore

[limber ridge]

Accidental continuity lol

[ripe berry]

lol
just like the train tracks by the Museum in both HN2 and HN3

[limber ridge]

And also this

[safe charm]

But anyway most of us can agree guest in reset day is Ted in some form probably?

[ripe berry]

everything happens to align perfectly even if not intentionally

[limber ridge]

Yeah stuff fits kinda surprisingly well despite being made by different writers in the games

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

well outside of the GAAP existing in 1984.

[limber ridge]

I think HN3 is kinda one of the biggest "offenders" to this due to the Guest and GA stuff but other than that

[ripe berry]

but even then you could probably make an argument about the GAAP not actually being open in 1984 if you tried hard enough

[ripe berry]

I think we have that irl as Private Equity or something along those lines?

[limber ridge]

I'm curious

Oh is it about that being the establishment of GA?

[stoic juniper]

Any news?

[ripe berry]

since the map also has a marking for a location they planned to open in the future

[stoic juniper]

[ripe berry]

kinda?

[stoic juniper]

What did we get?

[limber ridge]

We got parts of HN3 protag

Or like one part, depending on when you were last here

[ripe berry]

Nikita shared another fragment of HN3 Protag's design
#hn3-discussion message

[stoic juniper]

Alright that's nice
And I think Season 3 got announced?

[stoic juniper]

Hmmm interesting

[limber ridge]

They finished it and released the poster but no trailer or anything

[stoic juniper]

Blue skin and Red Hoodie

[limber ridge]

And also works for golden apple

[stoic juniper]

Oops

[ripe berry]

(undecided at the time, became Golden Apple Supermarket)
so it could be argued the map was made in 1984 to show things the Golden Apple Corporation owned and wanted to build, but it took until 1991-1992 to get the Golden Apple Amusement Park opened

[stoic juniper]

Since the death of Lucy in the Roller coaster
And it started everything
Does that mean that Hello neighbor got it's own Bite of 83?

[limber ridge]

Did you see the other 2 parts of the design?

[stoic juniper]

Not yet

[ripe berry]

here's an link to where someone connected the three fragments we've seen thus far
#hn3-discussion message

[stoic juniper]

I thought it opened at like 1994?

[stoic juniper]

The character seems like a Woman

With blue skin

[ripe berry]

1992
but close enough 🤷

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

And works for golden apple

[stoic juniper]

Does the tag give it away?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

Methinks

[ripe berry]

yeah
the Tag is the Golden Apple Logo in HN3

[stoic juniper]

Idk it looks like a Fish

[ripe berry]

but sideways

[stoic juniper]

That explains why in my view it looks like a fish

Yes I see the apple now

[eager island]

then heres time to update it

[ripe berry]

HN3 Golden Apple Corp Logo (or well one of their side-companies Logo) for comparison

[eager island]

tasty bakery shut down because of GA

[unkempt sleet]

erm GAC*

[stoic juniper]

If they are revealing this and she works for Golden apple amusement park
Does that mean she could have something to do with the Roller coaster accident
And that she is in on whatever the cultists are doing?

[ripe berry]

woops

[eager island]

not really

[limber ridge]

She doesn't work for GAAP

[stoic juniper]

Got it

[ripe berry]

GAAP was a typo

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

But for golden Apple corporation in general

[eager island]

hn3 is pretty much doing its own thing, and the GA is appearantly not looking like cult

[ripe berry]

Golden Apple Corp yes
the GAAP specifically no

[stoic juniper]

So a higher Supervisor?

[limber ridge]

Idk

I think she's just a regular employee

[eager island]

and she has nothing to do with lucy yi "accident" because it was like 44 years ago

[stoic juniper]

If she has a Section in general that could mean she is in charge of a couple stuff

[ripe berry]

I personally think they're a representative for the company sent to check up on things in Raven Brooks to determine the company's future in the town

[stoic juniper]

Instead of being a regular engineer like mr Peterson

[eager island]

i agree

[stoic juniper]

That would make more sense

Where did Dark L go btw

[eager island]

well what is "orange" in map then

[stoic juniper]

Did he Leave the server?

[ripe berry]

got banned sadly

[eager island]

and cinema is not GA's as we assumed

[ripe berry]

he's waiting for an appeal rn

[stoic juniper]

erm

What did unc do

[eager island]

cinema and jacob's workshop are only locations thats marked as orange

[ripe berry]

promoted something he thought was approved by tinyBuild but wasn't
will not say anything more because I don't wanna get banned myself

[unkempt sleet]

oh thats sad

[limber ridge]

Yeah he's been waiting for a month atp to get unbanned

[eager island]

(tinybuild orange)

[stoic juniper]

Nub Tiny build

[ripe berry]

they're still in other servers like the main tinyBuild server but not this one though

[stoic juniper]

He should make a new account atp

[ripe berry]

ban evasion is not allowed y'know...

[limber ridge]

It'd likely get him banned again

[stoic juniper]

Super secret account

[ripe berry]

it'd also ruin his chance at appeal

anyways this is the lore chat back to lore

[limber ridge]

Let's get back on topic

[stoic juniper]

guh

[stoic juniper]

Okie dokie

[ripe berry]

is there anything that could tie to the two locations together?

[eager island]

i dont think so

but keep in mind that they both in like

entrance of the town

[ripe berry]

wait so
the Cinema and Jacob's Workshop are (not counting the Hotel which is Blue on the map) the only non-GAC owned businesses in Raven Brooks under our current understanding right?

[eager island]

seems like that

[ripe berry]

that could be what the Orange means

and the Hotel is just marked differently due to it (technically) being both a non-GAC owned business and a residential building

[eager island]

thats cinema isnt it?

[ripe berry]

I think...?
at least this photo's found in the cinema I think

[eager island]

i mean so... GA is not solely responsible for the town's alienation from its own culture (or the emptying of the guest figure's meaning)

theres also different people who is using the guest as a mascot

[unkempt sleet]

thats a theater

[unkempt sleet]

no

museum

[ripe berry]

been awhile since I loaded up HN3 Prototype 3 so I forgot I guess

[eager island]

it kinda looks like the cinema saloon that vandals used for their plans tbh

[ripe berry]

which we interpreted as the Cinema because no other location like that exists in HN3 Prototype 3
(iirc)

[unkempt sleet]

thats fair

[ripe berry]

however looking at it this stage is MUCH wider then the one in the photo

[unkempt sleet]

the circles above does look like they tried to make it look like the same location as the image

[eager island]

so the orange company and ga is kinda rival ?

[ripe berry]

then again the photo is meant to be seen like this in-game so...

[stoic juniper]

Goodbye chat I'll see you

Later

[eager island]

or was rival before storm

[ripe berry]

cya

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

Bye

[stoic juniper]

Bye chat

[ripe berry]

I don't think Orange Company is actually a single company

I mean, I don't think Jacob owns the Cinema

again, if it means anything it's just a generic color for non-Golden Apple Businesses
except for the Hotel which idk what's up with that

iirc there's also papers of the Hotel Staff referencing GA property and using GA posters?

[eager island]

maybe that workshop is not jacob's

we know that jacob was a guy with a dream, i dont think he was that old, probably not even in his 20s, maybe like being a car mechanic was his "dream" and when the orange company abandoned the town he took control of the workshop

nothing serious just brainstorming

[ripe berry]

so I have no clue what's up with the Hotel

[eager island]

we can all say it was not "Jacob's workshop" in 1984

[ripe berry]

fair

[ripe berry]

or well
the Hotel and the Hiking Trail both are that Cyanish Blue

[limber ridge]

Could Jacob's dream relate to Orange company somehow? If there is an orange company.

[ripe berry]

for now Imma shorten things to
GA (Golden Apple)
OC (Orange Company(s?))
and TA (Turqoise Areas, labelled this way bc I have no clue if there's anything that ties them together)
GA owns the Cable Car, Tasty Bakery, Golden Apple Supermarket, The Amusement Park, the Museum, and a couple of houses
OC has the Cinema and what turns into Jacob's Workshop
TA has the Hotel and a building at the beginning of the Hiking Trail

other colors idk why they exist

[eager island]

theyre just randoms i would say

so we have 2 possible employee of GA with the player

• janusz
• historian

[ripe berry]

or maybe it has to do with age of the building?
like the dark blue buildings are the oldest?

[eager island]

but aint historian is like the one who revived the festival which its cancelling connects to GA

[eager island]

perhaps

[ripe berry]

or maybe the Purple is the oldest and Green is the Youngest non-Golden Apple Corp owned building

[ripe berry]

which still leaves how the TA and the OC work here and what they are

[unkempt sleet]

ooor the colors doesnt mean much for the lore

[eager island]

i mean yellow-orange-cyanish is most likely intended

but other ones are probably just random

[ripe berry]

TA could be independent companies that are partnered with the Golden Apple Corp which would explain why the Hotel Staff have so many ties to Golden Apple Property without being GA Property

[eager island]

well orange company is actually red company lol

[ripe berry]

oh lol

[eager island]

2 red 1 orange

[ripe berry]

so
RC it is

[eager island]

well

in the recent teasers there is like camera advertisement in the town

might be connected to red company?

[ripe berry]

also noticing the Golden Apple Supermarket has some kinda notice on it in the image and moved gates
perhaps the place was closed after the ~2021-2024 storm and Janusz took the place and reopened it?

[eager island]

maybe

after all its a guy who always thinks his pocket

[ripe berry]

that would fit something a Janusz stereotype would do
why put effort into opening a new business

when you can just take a pre-existing one

for basically free since there's no cops to stop you

[eager island]

i mean i still think janusz was always some kind of responsible with supermarket

maybe GA wanted it to close after storm but janusz didn't listen to them

[ripe berry]

yeah

[eager island]

sastaflash

[ripe berry]

that's who made the camera in the teaser

[eager island]

or the camera model name

[ripe berry]

wait
can we try to pin down what year camera designs like that were common?

[eager island]

70-90s

but pre 2000s

[ripe berry]

so right around the Golden Apple Corp Prime.

[ripe berry]

RC might've been trying to carry on the tradition of the Guest Festival even when the ritual was cancelled through the cinema, meanwhile the GA was trying to profit off of it

[eager island]

its kinda weird to have everything in that time frame though

we have no idea about 2000s

[ripe berry]

yeah
but at the same time

1970s-1990s was prime Raven Brooks in every medium we've seen

meanwhile due to GN2 and HN2 Patch 9 the town would likely be rebuilding after a storm in the 2000s

[eager island]

they used smartphones at some point

[ripe berry]

yeah

[eager island]

they are quite different from GA's classic design

[ripe berry]

?

[eager island]

cinema being non-GA building was also pretty obvious i think

[eager island]

[well the image upload had a error]

[ripe berry]

wait yeah
that's a completely different style to the corporate style of GA posters

[eager island]

it was a nice talk mate
now its time to going back to work

see ya

[ripe berry]

cya!

[silver cargo]

I currently have two theories about the player and the story.

1. Perhaps the player is here because of some kind of cover-up?
   Perhaps the player needs to find evidence, destroy it, or influence the town's perception of GA?

2. Perhaps the player is part of a reconstruction effort?
   Perhaps GA will become more firmly established in RB again and help (perhaps for the wrong reasons) with the reconstruction of the city?

[solar vale]

The reason the player came to rb is to check if rb is still suitable for ga ig

[ripe berry]

most of us think something similar to 2
#lore-discussion message

[silver vine]

What is the role of the Golden Apple Corp in the HN story

[limber ridge]

Probably depends on which media

Like in most of it Golden Apple Corp is owned by cultists i think

[silver vine]

Golden apple got shut down after the GAAP incident

well, atleast in the books

[limber ridge]

Well not in HN3

And in AS neither considering they can reopen the park now.

[silver vine]

games and cartoon barely mentioned Golden Apple Corp

ie, until HN3

[limber ridge]

Well they are maybe some kind of catalyst for a "downfall" of Raven Brooks in HN3

Since it seems they connect to the closing of the festivals

[ripe berry]

probably why the books are "Canon, but not in a way you think"
Nikita and the other teams can change details for the games but in general the books can still be used for lore and the general events still occur, even if certain specifics are being changed for the games timeline

[slow root]

I just thought of something looking at this. The camera advert says "blinding flash" We could potentially use it to temporarily stun characters.

[ripe berry]

although how much of Nicky Trilogy and the likes still applies is unknown

[limber ridge]

Way i think abt it is the events are still all connected and they still are all in the same universe but that isn't necesarily shown in the mediums.
So we get a bunch of events and what actually went down in Raven Brooks is up to interpretation but it ties to events shown.

But they do still use ideas like Lucy Yi is in HN3.

[eager island]

probably for forest dweller

[silver vine]

does GAAP existing in 1984 mean that Neighbor didnt build it anymore?

[unkempt sleet]

no, that wouldnt be changed

[limber ridge]

He'd still be like 41 even then.

(i assume you were talking about him being too young maybe since i can't see other reasons he wouldn't be able to make the park in 1984)

[silver vine]

no, he wasnt in town in 1984

atleast in the books

[ripe berry]

no because I don't think the GAAP was actually built in 1984 even in the current timeline

it creates a continuity error with Secret Neighbor and Hello Engineer confirming the Golden Apple Young Inventors Club still exist in the Games

it's either an error on Nikita's part

or the GAAP existed as a concept in 1984 but wasn't able to be actually built until the 1990s, with the only difference there being that the GAAP was public knowledge (but until 1991 the public had no clue what the park would look like or who was building it (because the park hadn't gotten someone to actually build it until 1991))

I must also note the books are no longer completely accurate in other ways too
the books say Theodore hadn't been to Raven Brooks since University and not so subtly implies that Diane had never even been to Raven Brooks but Hello Neighbor 2 shows that their marriage (which iirc was in 1977, when Theodore should've left town by 1965) was in Raven Brooks

I think the BIGGEST Books -> Games Issue is still something to do with the GAAP though (well kinda)
It's... literally everything to do with EarthPro

[silver cargo]

So the player might be some kind of location analyst?

Location analysts examine the accessibility, location, and surroundings of a place. This includes the population, purchasing power, infrastructure, and economic development.

Then these people have to assess whether the location will deteriorate, grow, or die out. Ultimately, the company's location analysts give recommendations on whether the company should invest there, whether it would be risky but possible, or whether investing in that location would be a complete disaster.

So yeah, the player being a location analyst might actually be really possible.

[limber ridge]

Never were

[silver cargo]

I mean, GA Corp is doing alot more than a normal company would do.
They are very widespread in RB and control major things in the town, like the museum and the supermarket. That means they decide, on the one hand, HOW the history is presented and what food is sold.

Furthermore, GA Corp does something that is less advertising and more "prescribes lifestyles" (if I may put it that way).
They become so integrated into everyday life that it seems as if they have always been a part of it, sometimes with the help of posters that portray simple and harmless actions as the right thing to do.

But maybe I'm overthinking it.

[wicked heath]

I was about to say you’re overthinking it, but then I remembered the GA logo on the posters

[silver cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-incredibles-meme-gif-16420601608203719621

[silver cargo]

I'm not saying that GA is promoting the wrong thing here - eating healthily and lying down when you feel weak is certainly right, however I do find it suspicious that GA is integrating itself into RB in this way.

[slow root]

Personally. I think those posters are meant to serve as hints to the player for different game elements.

[silver cargo]

I think the same but at the same time, why did they put they GA logo there. They could've just put something else there or nothing, but they decieded to put the Ga logo there.

[eager island]

its both hints for gameplay and narrative i would say

[silver cargo]

Yes, I agree.

One says: "Hey try this and that", and the logo says "Hey, I mean something".

Again, why put the logo there if there's no meaning, right?

[eager island]

plus, RC's mascot the guest was pratically same with statue one design
while GA has redesigned its guest mascot

[eager island]

not to mention the posters texture literally named as "T_Lore"

[silver vine]

Earthpro is just out of the picture at this point

It's just irrelevant

[glacial whale]

Is it just me or is the earthpro thing the most forgettable part of lore

[wicked heath]

They wanted to get the park and just

dipped

---

Never to be heard from again

From my understanding, they didnt even touch the park

[mossy cove]

can someone explain what is canon with the show and books? Thanks!

[unkempt sleet]

wrooong

they did remove the park fully in book 3

we just dont see what they do with it since Nicky Trilogy ends in Book 3

[limber ridge]

Well they're digging it up in reset day iirc

[solar vale]

It was for books only?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[limber ridge]

So he doesn't shapeshift in reset day iirc

But the book does imply he is Peterson

[safe charm]

I Think hes refering to this

But that can be explained

Not Supernaturally

Imo

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[steady escarp]

And thats why its inconsistent

Now its confirmed hes NOT that guest

The guest was also shown in these “canon books”

That he shapeshifts

[limber ridge]

Mike explained the Guest's actions here.
Unsupernaturally.

[limber ridge]

That is confirmed in... No actual statements but HN2 pretty much confirms it

[safe charm]

Also guest uses a phone

That doesnt seem very supernatural creature like

To me

I Think the book is moreso implying hes Peterson

[limber ridge]

However we also know that HN3 Guest isn't the HN2 Guest

So i think what is most likely is there's just multiple Guests atp

[steady escarp]

So, do you think the guest is just a leader role that is passed on to others then?

[limber ridge]

A books Guest, a HN2/maybe WTRB Guest, and a HN3 Guest(2 HN3 Guests tehnically but that's not here nor there)

[limber ridge]

I mean, kinda

Not exactly leader though

[safe charm]

No i Think theres only 1 guest personally

But different mediums and game have their own

Interpetation

[steady escarp]

That makes zero sense because in lore

It was a crow

[safe charm]

So different indenity’s

[limber ridge]

Yeah that's what i'd go with as well

[steady escarp]

Now its not

[limber ridge]

But GN2 shows 2 Guests

[steady escarp]

How would different interpretations work in one SAME storyline

[safe charm]

Cause its not one same exact storyline

Nikita Said while everything is Canon its not all canon in the way most of us Think

[steady escarp]

So nikita’s story we can only focus on

Is its own thing for jow

Hs, hn1 and hn3

Hn2 and AS isn’t part of it

[limber ridge]

There's this perspective theory which kinda doesn't really Connect that much with Mayak seemingly

[steady escarp]

its all tied to mayak, as nikita said

[limber ridge]

There's another one which kinda has stuff contradicting it

The theory that the inconsistencies between media is due to them being a different story told around a campfire after Raven Brooks vanishes in a storm during Hello Neighbor 3.
Alex also has said that different people perceiving a story differently would make canon subjective.
Proto 3 storm ending shows a few people sat around a campfire discussing the disappearance of Raven Brooks.
This would also work with the mayak statement, as mayak is connected to storms, which would be why people can't figure out the real events.

These stories would also have to be based on info people know about Raven Brooks already methinks

Considering HN media also has events happen outside of Raven Brooks.

Like Peterson's parks, and Peterson's a famous guy.

Or whatever happened in Shelbyville with Trinity.

[eager island]

IS mayak connected to storms in hn3 though...

[limber ridge]

Idek

But it's the closest i can think of a connection between perspective and mayak stuff

On second thought it could be a metaphorical connection of sorts... Maybe?

[wicked heath]

Riiiiiiight.
That was when Nicky got really desperate

Then wth was book7’s intro about then??

[limber ridge]

It's really funny how the Guest just has this habit of causing car crashes

In GN2, HN2.

Okay not that much.
Bird people in general i guess then? Cuz a cultist does it in the Aaron triliogy iirc.

[wanton roost]

watch him causea car crash in gaap and itstarts a fire

[ripe berry]

well, in short, both the Books are Show are secondary canon to the games
The Books are more canon however then the Show
in FNaF Terms the Books are like Fazbear's Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex, while the Show is like the Novel Trilogy and the Movies

The biggest thing pointed out here that doesn't cross from the books to the games is the EarthPro stuff from the Nicky Trilogy

(why does my T key not want to work 100% consistently)

[eager island]

forwarding it to here

life doesn't go smoothly - there are absurd twists and turns - but in the end you find your way

the meaning of tattoo

[unkempt sleet]

that makes sense

[eager island]

(credits to archie btw)

[silver vine]

was mayak ever referenced in HN3 prototype 3, I feel like I saw smth in the museum or smwhre

[silver vine]

ah

[dreamy sluice]

100 things to do before you die

[ripe berry]

As Nikita has said, if a HN3 Character has something in their design... it's probably there for a reason...

[tiny verge]

makes sense

[ripe berry]

(or well Nikita said it more generally for HN3 in general but clearly it especially applies to the characters. clearly trying to tell as much of the character's story as possible through name and appearance alone)

[wicked heath]

« Nikita doesnt do coincidences »

[wicked heath]

Hes not Franklin

Literally makes no sense and just made up by some kids

?

Like what

I dont think they wanted people to think Franklin was the guest

It was to give Peterson and the cult more background

The Guest doesnt have to be an already existing character

[wicked heath]

He really isn’t, but I understand people’s thought on it

[limber ridge]

Wdym should be?

Unless you mean HN3? In which case there's nothing really going against that...

[limber ridge]

Franklin is like one of the only options lmao.

They could make it another new character which while i would like that more than Franklin i can't see them doing.

[tiny verge]

if they're gonna make the Guest be someone

atleast make it an existing character

I don't want the big reveal to just be some random joe shmoe

that'd be so anti-climactic

[wicked heath]

He was supposed to be his own character when developing HN2 on alpha stage

[tiny verge]

I get that but like

the hype that's been built up around him after that is immeasurable to the hype built up during the alpha days

[wicked heath]

It was built up for Ted and then, the guest kind of just got thrown away up until patch 9 :(
Where they didnt even use him seriously

[tiny verge]

purely because this is kinda the culmination of everything related to him

[wicked heath]

Thankfully, hes back forHNVR, 3 and WTRB

[tiny verge]

in the alpha story he was then changed to be the representation of the storm

[tiny verge]

they're not the same though

also the reason why they even removed him from HN2 is because of WTRB, TB wanted to tie the game into a cartoon

so they didn't want the Guest to appear what's supposed to be his debut game for the sake of an origin story

I don't get it

it really only makes things worse because now there was multiple theories that got people hyped up and only one of them can be true

[dry patio]

and then they decide to make hn2 and as not follow the same story...

[tiny verge]

as stupid as it is

regardless of the impending inconsistencies

they will be treating the Guest in WTRB as the same exact one from HN2

they even changed his design to have the cloak which has appeared in the teaser (though likely on someone else for now)

like don't get me wrong

I would want the Guest to be his own character

but if he's meant to be someone disguised, or meant to be someone else

then when it gets revealed it isn't gonna be as climatic

because usually a reveal like that depends on a character we know of

when the Guest became his own character in HN2's alphas, that's when Peterguest was likely dropped in favor for him being the representation of the storms

[tiny verge]

I guess but regardless it's something I'd probably criticize if it ends up being unsatisfying

I guess it could be worse though, it could just become "wait a minute I know you, you're a guy that is a part of my back story that was never talked about until now!" by someone random

[limber ridge]

It kinda has to be.
Alex is really hyping up smth and having it be a rando wouldn't really cut it.

[tiny verge]

oh hey Frigid

[tiny verge]

have to be as in like

[limber ridge]

Hey.

[tiny verge]

it COULD still happen in a stupid way

not that it doesn't have to be climatic to be good

I don't think anyone would argue that

but uh yeah there can always be a chance that it's unsatisfying (let's hope it isn't though)

what if it's that originally it was just some dude named Bob, never was shown before

just a dude named Bob

and then they change it because people start talking about how it wouldn't be climatic for it to be a random

[limber ridge]

Nah Hank would be betyer

[tiny verge]

it's someone named Hank who has a brother in law named Walter

Walter White

either that or he may be a king of a hill

[limber ridge]

True i guess

I mean Alex confirmed it would

[eager island]

the whole purpose of AS was revealing the guest though...

[limber ridge]

Guest which'll only apply to like 2 media

But yeah the Guest will get revealed

[untold vigil]

Can anyone explain to me what the luck device thingy does?

[unkempt sleet]

when used in a ritual, it brings you luck

thats the most simplest way to explain it

[untold vigil]

Thanks

🍎

[limber ridge]

They are used in rituals to bring the user good luck while cursing people around them with bad luck.
The rituals can only be performed in a storm, and once used, the storm gets even worse.

(people around them is like the whole town, with the owners of devices excluded.)

In the non-graphic novels, they are actually what causes bad storms in Raven Brooks, which lead Roger and Adele to make the mayak, which was made to study this weather.

Rituals also seem to need the costumes that the cult uses for some reason...

Unless that's just what the cult thinks thinks i guess

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think the costumes are tied to the rituals

it's just cult costumes, which they use to fuel the forest protector rumor

[limber ridge]

Yeah fair
I was thinking about that one Norman line where he says they started as part of the rituals.

[unkempt sleet]

its kinda funny how the Forest Protector rumor fits more better with the AS cult and their costumes

but they didnt mention it at all in the show

[eager island]

reposting it to here:

players tattoo is telling what she is about to go through

the curved parts may be symbolize the danger or confusion she will face in RB

beads are key events and encounters, generally stuff that mark the journey of her

the line that tries to straighten might be she is slowly understanding what is going on

the tattoo doesnt fully "resolve" so things might not be end cleanly

i would say since the tattoo's short meaning is "the winding road to the light", she will be against the company she works at the some point

[weak cobalt]

That is fascinating

[orchid helm]

hello

[ripe berry]

hi

[silver vine]

hi

[ripe berry]

sup

[ripe berry]

why do I keep seeing this chat light up

[eager island]

hacked accs posting stuff and getting deleted

[low sage]

its wierd how the mayor and the baker and the others are a forest protecter tho they killed the guest .aka. mr petersons brother

?!?1?1?! YALL ONLINE

[wanton roost]

yeah they killed him

were not sure yet if guest is frankli but its likely

[quick quiver]

Hey guys, can I ask you a favour?

I'm working on a debunk theory video about all the "supernatural occurrences" in the Hello Neighbour games. I've noted down things like The Thig, The Guest, Tha Mayak and ect, but I was wondering if there's something YOU think is supernatural in case I've missed something.

[ripe berry]

only in the games? or are we counting the books?

but here's one in the Games!
The ending of Hello Engineer Base Game + Hello Engineer Sandbox Mode

[quick quiver]

Only the games. The books might just take me in a rabbit hole, and I've already spent a long while researching for the previous things I've mentioned.

[quick quiver]

Thanks

[ripe berry]

yeah, trust me, you do NOT want to deal with the Books

(Especially Reset Day)

[ripe berry]

np, when I have the time I'll throw together a document with everything "supernatural" that you can use

[quick quiver]

You don't have to, but thank you for the offer.

[ripe berry]

(and maybe some resources to help you with potential explanations for things, like I know there's official statements on The Thing)

in-fact here's that official statement

[quick quiver]

About that... (scratches back of the neck) I unfortunately already wrote it off as "All In Le Head"

[ripe berry]

in a way, you're right. (See the statement I directed you too)

[eager island]

jacob - rising from 0
iris - vision and awareness
isaac - sacrifice and chosen child
janusz - two faced selfish guy thing, the guy who always thinks his pocket
almira (?) - noble girl

[limber ridge]

Have You done the statue stopping the storm in HN3 prototype?
I wouldn't blame you if you wouldn't since it's work in progress subject to change but yk.

[quick quiver]

I'm planning to, but first I'd wait for Pre-Alpha to see if the ending is changed or anything like that.

[novel harness]

it was never confirmed. Guest is actually real in HN2 patch 9, Franklin death also could explain the guest

[novel harness]

I think he is still one

[limber ridge]

Son

[novel harness]

aight

care to explain?

[limber ridge]

That message was almost a week ago

[novel harness]

oh

well

cuss word

[alpine crystal]

The thing is just a fear. He ISN'T supernatural

[limber ridge]

Yeah... The guy didn't say he is supernatural...

[limber ridge]

Where did that go
Why did i see activity in the chat?

[quick quiver]

I started replying, but then I lost myself and started rambling, so I decided to delete my message. Sorry

[limber ridge]

Ah ok

[scarlet granite]

I need help I heard there’s more lore to hello Neighbor 2 that nobody talks about. It’s about a missing journalist who was finding out about the guest but got killed by them because he got to close. It’s linked to all the audio tapes

[eager island]

yeah he went deep in that investigation

[scarlet granite]

Can you maybe find me a video about it I can’t find one anywhere

So I came to the discord to ask the community for help

[eager island]

i dont think there is any

[scarlet granite]

How did anybody find about tr guy then?

The*

Because I saw they sent information to some YouTubers about him

Like a whole book

[eager island]

ohh that one

yeah give me a sec

[unkempt sleet]

this guy

[scarlet granite]

Yep

[eager island]

https://youtu.be/TF0r6Xmoi4E?si=AW8n7Wsb4ymC7Ted

[scarlet granite]

That video didn’t show what the usb was used for or any of the stuff really

They didnt even try to uncover anything

Is there a different video?

[unkempt sleet]

was there an usb in those packages

i dont remember that

[scarlet granite]

There was

Can you try find me a video for it?

[unkempt sleet]

hold on

[unkempt sleet]

i found my comment on that video lol

i think those guys showed more than that other guy but let me find that video

there was this record that was in the lore box from one of the videos, but its unrelated to the missing journalist

[limber ridge]

Early Season 2 recording?

Probably not all of it

[unkempt sleet]

this was even before season 1's voice reveal iirc

i cant find that one video but found another one that also got the lore box

https://youtu.be/GGqkE3DiiQ4

[untold lagoon]

What this language

[unkempt sleet]

arabic

https://youtu.be/UaV5kqN8Zgo?si=r7S2S84ooG-zg6Xo

nvm found the other one aswell

idk if theres anymore youtubers that got the lore package

[untold lagoon]

Make sense

[scarlet granite]

None of theese YouTubers actually use the usb

They should have just let the community decipher it

[limber ridge]

Which usb i'm confused

[unkempt sleet]

i feel like the usb is probably like a personal message or something

[scarlet granite]

In the first video it sent

[unkempt sleet]

or contains this recording

[scarlet granite]

The box had a usb

We will never know

[unkempt sleet]

one other thing we got from the lore box was https://www.helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives

[untold lagoon]

Hn3 box soon maybe @unkempt sleet ?

[unkempt sleet]

probably not

[untold lagoon]

Why

[limber ridge]

HATCHERYWINGATE is the password.

[unkempt sleet]

yea

[scarlet granite]

Dose anybody use the usb?

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think they do, because i havent even remembered that there was an usb

[ripe berry]

what USB?

you mean the thing that plays the audio right?

[scarlet granite]

No

#lore-discussion message

Go the secret package video when they open the box they say secret usb and show a usb

[scarlet granite]

Is there anymore lore about this guy btw not just the real life box sent by the dev team

[ripe berry]

oh weird

[ripe berry]

yeah all we know is from connecting the dots on the tapes found throughout HN2 and stuff.

can't believe I'm loading up old yt vids to see if anyone's shown what's in the usb

afaik no one's checked the usb

[ripe berry]

there is a common theory that he's the Man in the Hat from the Hello Guest Alphas, but it's technically unconfirmed

[unkempt sleet]

He was the Journalist that was investigating the cult before Quentin, He got missing at some point and that's why they got Quentin come from the big city to Raven Brooks to replace him as the journalist

"he got too close to them" which probably refers to the cult

but i personally believe the theory that he didnt got killed, instead went into hiding to hide from the cult (like a similiar character from the books) and he became the Man in the Hat when he went into hiding, though this part is just a theory but it's a very plausible one

one other thing we know about him is that he was friends with Otto

[eager island]

Almira Hoffman

noble woman from a family connected to a manor/estate

[silver vine]

hi

[eager island]

hi

[near cosmos]

Thats cool 👀

[near cosmos]

Hi

[dreamy sluice]

#1 most effective weight-loss strategy i suppose

[dreamy sluice]

Theory: The taxidermist is Nicky Roth 👃

[dawn relic]

bruh

[limber ridge]

What's wrong.
Did i forget to mention anything?

Oh yeah Otto/Nicky is also the forest dweller yeah thanks.

[scarlet granite]

Ho do you know and is he?

How’s

How*

[limber ridge]

I'm just joking.

[near cosmos]

I can be PRETTY wrong but i also remember this
But wasn't bc Aaron thought Nicky was going to ask if he believed in aliens and he said "no nicky, i dont believe in aliens, i know you/you family is jewish [...]"

Im also not sure if BuB meant like "nooo how can you be so wrong" or smth

[ripe berry]

can't wait for HN3 Pre-Alpha to completely change our understanding of the HN Lore in a day or two

[wicked heath]

Yes undeniably

Anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing abt HN

[unkempt sleet]

Does anyone remember when we theorised Otto to be Leslie's father

[eager island]

alma is who she really is
almira is the version she presents at the company (like more refined, controlled, "perfect")

almira is who she wants to be

[ripe berry]

Alma, according to the first non-ai source I found, means Nourishing or Kind.

[unkempt sleet]

apple

oh wait does the apple come from elma similarity i wonder

elma is the turkish word for apple

[ripe berry]

the website also says Elma is a variation of Alma so possibly

[unkempt sleet]

fun

[unkempt sleet]

now i'm seeing Elma everytime i see Alma's name, you've altered my perception Mike

[limber ridge]

I think of elmo

[marsh idol]

it would be so awesome

[ripe berry]

it would be so cool.

[dreamy sluice]

somebody else said it was hungarian for apple

like a while ago