halo-the-series-chat

[stiff osprey]

Halo is one of my favorite franchises and I love that because of the show I get to celebrate it with my wife. She wants me to play through the games again so she can watch. I’m a lucky guy.

[toxic warren]

<3

[ashen vector]

Couch coop them

[stiff osprey]

@ashen vector She’s not a gamer. I’ve tried for years to get her to play them, but she just doesn’t have the hand-eye coordination.

[ashen vector]

Even on easy with the fun skulls?

Hey man. Halo 2 with the scarabs skull no hand eye coordination needed

[fading anchor]

Can't turn it off on phone, any other suggestions by chance?

[stiff osprey]

@ashen vector Haha, maybe I’ll give it a go. She’s good at the LEGO games and Diablo, but when it comes to using two joysticks she has a really hard time.

[ashen vector]

Fair enough and Lego games are goated makes me want a halo Lego game lol

[stiff osprey]

Dude I’d love a Halo game! They already have Halo figures.

[gray mulch]

this could be one of two things

either A its hdr on your display having a low nit count or B its the intended grade the colourist and whatnot did for the specific scene

im leaning towards the first one

[subtle crystal]

Oh, you're watching on your phone? Idk then, I don't have that problem there

[gray mulch]

if ur watchin on an iphone turn off dynamic brightness

[fading anchor]

Android, S22+.
Though I've already messed with all the adaptive settings. It's only this show giving me issues.

Thanks

[gray mulch]

is your samsung using vivid colour space or normal

would also advise agaisnt watching in a bright area

[fading anchor]

Turned that off. Went from "I'm in a dark room but the darkness is moving" to "I can see shapes".

Thanks.
Still not at an enjoyable level.
I've watched ep 1 in a dark room and noticed issues. Though will experiment with ep 3 in a dark room when home.
Will also just try my monitors and see if there is a difference.

[gray mulch]

dont really know what to suggest other than using 200 nits rec 709 in sdr mode

[ember obsidian]

Wtf that ending for episode 3 is so good

[deft leaf]

Uo

[tawdry kestrel]

I need to watch the 3rd episode I forgot all about it

[toxic warren]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[wise onyx]

Oops sorry

[stone plank]

This season hitting harder than the last so far

[median karma]

hello

[sullen gale]

This show is the best thing going for Halo right now

[prime echo]

Definitely not

[jovial spruce]

They gotta kill off Kwan & Marqee by the end of S2

[tawdry kestrel]

Doubt it

[jovial spruce]

Then this show will likely have 3 seasons top

Then cancelled

[tawdry kestrel]

Why would it be cancelled after season 3

[jovial spruce]

Think about bro, you really think peeps will be invested in this show if they give someone like Kwan 80% of screen time ?

This last episode focused too much on her

[tawdry kestrel]

She doesn't have 80% screen time tf?

[jovial spruce]

I’m just sayin “if”.

[tawdry kestrel]

They won't

[jovial spruce]

I hope you’re right because those two are holding back this show by alot

[tawdry kestrel]

If anything they'll probably just close her story ark

[jovial spruce]

(Or kill her off )

[stiff osprey]

That last episode was perfectly fine. I actually quite enjoyed her storyline with Kessler.

[sullen gale]

Let’s be more open to Kwan please. For DEI reasons.

[stiff osprey]

This fan base is weird.

[tawdry kestrel]

Everyone here has mixed feelings about the series

[stiff osprey]

I just feel like if people want the games, maybe they should go play them. I like having something I recognize, but at the same time have no idea what’s going to happen next.

[tawdry kestrel]

That's a fair point

[wise onyx]

The sneak peek for Ep 4 was very interesting

Can’t wait to see what happens next

[sullen gale]

We’ve seen Reach in main timeline a lot. Books. A full game. Graphic novels. Want fresh

[subtle crystal]

But she's a gurl and we gamers hate gurls
I think

[ember obsidian]

Exactly. It would be so boring if the show is just a retelling of whatever went on in the games

[silent fable]

That’s the problem with the last of us series been and played the games and making it exactly the same isn’t gonna bring anything new and exciting to it but halo at least there trying something new and different from the games instead of copying it

[echo estuary]

i feel like the last of us was a lot more story driven than the halo games

[spring viper]

Kwan and her story are completely useless and uninteresting if they are gonna do politics do politics on Reach not that pirate stuff with kwan

[gray mulch]

last of us show is leaps and bounds better theres a reason why it won multiple awards

faithful to source material

[silent fable]

Your not wrong but I meant in a way that the halo series if something different and fresh instead of exactly the same story as the games

[idle pawn]

The source material for the Last of Us was already a movie/tv show. Halo isn't.

[gray mulch]

what?

[subtle crystal]

I'm gonna assume Carp is referring to how cinematic the games are

[idle pawn]

Last of Us the game was basically a tv show/movie.

[subtle crystal]

Yes but not really, I get your point tho

[gray mulch]

if any adaptation is faithful to the source then its gonna get received much better than if it wasnt faithful

even better if its same director

[fiery belfry]

Hey guys. Is there anyone who would like to play the Halo MCC cooperatively?
Please add me as a friend.
My account name: Mahdi Dalaee Moghaddam

[spring grotto]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[dusky shadow]

Does anyone know when episode 4 and so on come out in the UK?

[gray mulch]

thursday morning around 8am or so

[sullen light]

They release at 9am BST on Thursdays according to a website I checked for last episode

[sullen light]

And Mahdi I would like to although I am busy at the moment, perhaps later tonight if you are still available

[echo estuary]

not necessarily

[fiery belfry]

Yes sure

What time do you want to play?

[toxic warren]

Please keep that to the LFG channels, thanks

[fiery belfry]

I'm sorry.

[dusky shadow]

Thanks kakushi looking forward for a bit more

[solemn swift]

yo what yall think of the show

[frozen onyx]

I thought the source material of Halo was The Fall of Reach novel but it came out in October 2001, the first game came out in sept 2001. So I’m guessing they were both being worked on at the same time.

[gray mulch]

ce was released in november

[subtle crystal]

Season 1 is controversial but I personally found it entertaining, Season 2 is much better and also much more accpeted by most of the community

[floral spoke]

Same

[spring viper]

For me Kwan still ruins the show she's really not needed and her story puts you to sleep

[spring viper]

It's 8am on Thursday as we are still in GMT time zone lol

[solemn swift]

OK I 4 episode in and I am little disappointed but I'll keep watching it I heard the change cortana

[spring viper]

They did yeah but we'll get a better look at her in episode 4 Thursday but in all honesty season 1 Cortana looked better imo

[sullen light]

Makes sense my bad

[urban sparrow]

to be fair, cortana never looked the same all the time in the games

[stiff osprey]

I didn’t understand her importance in season 1. Her story felt unnecessary, but I didn’t hate it. I just wasn’t sure what her payoff would be. The portal thing was weird and didn’t pay off in anyway.

With that being said, I like her story in season 2. It makes more sense and she feels better served in this role.

[heavy locust]

However would it be bad if they skipped her story

[stiff osprey]

Perhaps, but maybe it’ll pay off.

[bitter ginkgo]

Kinda feel like she was written in to chase after some kind of Star Wars rebellion plot, probably why there is so much mysticism in a futuristic military franchise

[hollow root]

… shoot I’m invested in the show now. I didn’t think this would happen, but I actually really want to see episode 4

I’m actually invested in the plot. 3 was honestly just a good episode. I honestly cannot wait to view the fall of reach

[dreamy stirrup]

[grim crown]

hi

hello

[heavy locust]

Hope next episode is over an hour

[subtle crystal]

Don't get your hopes up that much

[proven canyon]

Me too

[forest fable]

Wish they wasted less time with the silly oni drama - also less screen time on the silly drama on the asteroid - all I really want to see is blue team on missions. I wish 80% of the episode was not boring copy pasta drama

[spring viper]

The Oni stuff currently is fine but they do need to stop with the kwan story just to add filler in the episodes they made kwan absolutely unlikeable in season 1 and my opinion is no matter what they do with kwan now you'll always remember season 1 kwan and how annoying she truly was and stop doing the pirate stuff

[forest fable]

I skip the chief talking to oni chief because i find it extremely tedious and predictable. Kwan was so unmemorable i did not even remember who she was - i skip also. I probably get 20min out of an episode

[subtle crystal]

I really don't want to repeat what I already said about this 4 or 5 times so just search "budget" here and you'll find my answer

[echo estuary]

bro wishes we had no plot 🙏🙏

[clear nova]

The TLOU was already a movie. They nearly copy and pasted the script into the TV show. Halo did not have that opportunity.

[gray mulch]

and look how many awards it got for doing so

and praise

[clear nova]

They're using her to bring in the Forerunner mythology. They're just doing it too slowly.

[subtle crystal]

You're comparing apples to oranges bud

[clear nova]

Yes, they did an excellent job. But it was also many times easier than what a "faithful" Halo adaptation would be.

[echo estuary]

the last of us was already a very good story

[eternal mica]

Hardcore Henry shows an FPS movie is totally feasible. Series would have been a blockbuster if they had gone this route. It would have taken some guts. Instead they went with lazy drama that no one asked for.

[echo estuary]

making a completely faithful adaptation with halo would have been

basically one guy who rarely speaks talking to an ai who spends the entire show info dumping

[spring viper]

I'm hoping the show will do something like Halo Reach: pillar of autumn Evacuation like in the game

[unreal pebble]

Halo's already typically not that good of a story, and a 1-1 of an existing game or book would be 'lazier' than what they actually did.

But then, considering the stereotype of gamers being some of the laziest people around, I'm not surprised people have a warped view of what 'lazy' design entails.

[subtle crystal]

"Hardcore Henry" also calculated how much budget that would've required?

[unreal pebble]

2 mill budget, but that's an estimate, not the official number.

[spring viper]

Looking back at season 1 looks like the writers were the lazy one's as they had a golden opportunity to adapt the game which everyone loves but i personally haven't read the books but the reviews are saying they are not copying the books as well lol

[unreal pebble]

See? Warped.

[thick marlin]

If they went to Barnes & Noble or Looked up Halo scripts, I'm sure the show would be worth a watch

[unreal pebble]

What game? What game does everyone love? The one with the meandering second half? The one with the filler first half? The books that wouldn't make great screenplays, and would need to be converted into screenplays. You claim they're lazy, and I don't really care if that's true or not, but then claim they should do something that would also be lazy.

[thick marlin]

I don't remember the Cheif ever showing his face, ever.

[unreal pebble]

He shows his face very frequently in the books and comics, as early as the book that came out before CE.

[thick marlin]

We're not in CE though, are we?

Or anything prior.

[unreal pebble]

We're not in the games, though, are we?

[thick marlin]

Exactly why it's trash hombre

You call yourself a Halo fan. Shame.

[unreal pebble]

I mean, unless your implication attempt is to say Chief came out of the womb wearing his helmet, I'm not getting what CE has to do with anything.

[thick marlin]

Now you're just being dramatic 💀

[unreal pebble]

Right, I'm the one.

[thick marlin]

I don't think Trenchbird understands simplicity folks, I know I'm new here, but I'm seeing your issue

I don't think you understand simplicity Trenchbird.

Good day

[unreal pebble]

Okay? Attempted ad hominems aside, the hell are you waffling about?

[thick marlin]

I said good day Mr. Gibberish.

[unreal pebble]

And yet you're still here to type that.

[bitter ginkgo]

The action is better than the acting

[thick marlin]

So I've seen, literally like, the one action scene still floats through tiktok

[spring viper]

Don't worry pretty much every show we get we always get people like him (Trenchhbird) so we can have a good laugh at them

[thick marlin]

We gotta have 'em all for a functioning society, but I'm sure he's aight

[unreal pebble]

Wasn't aware that having a long term appreciation for the franchise was enough to make me not a fan, but hey, that makes sense.

[thick marlin]

Never mind

[unreal pebble]

You should try moving on to actual insults.

[umbral granite]

The gatekeeping is unreal

[unreal pebble]

I mean, isn't it always?

[bitter ginkgo]

In silver timeline there’s no gates

[umbral granite]

This is worse than Star Wars fans actually

[bitter ginkgo]

Chasing starwars

[spring viper]

People are trying to have a discussion about the show but u came in and saying gamers are lazy and such you literally started everything lol

[unreal pebble]

I mean, they're lazy enough to not get my point.

Shortest possible route; Don't think. Only see the insult, not the point.

[forest fable]

Haha no better plot

[unreal pebble]

The point being, the suggestions are just as, if not more, lazy than coming up with a new plot, regardless of the quality.

[forest fable]

They wasted all their money on halo infinity unfortunately and couldn't afford a better plot

[bitter ginkgo]

The suggestions for the plot to be more cannon but it isn’t cannon at all. To chase after some Star Wars narratives with space wizards and rebels

[unreal pebble]

Canon.

[idle pawn]

"Silly ONI drama" ONI drama is literally part of Halo, the politics of ONI is what led to the Spartan 2 & 3 program.

[bitter ginkgo]

I’ll never recover from this

[unreal pebble]

Sorry, I get annoyed by that.

[bitter ginkgo]

But not the show 😂

[unreal pebble]

Oh, no, I absolutely get annoyed by the show.

[forest fable]

Indeed but in the books it wasnt 'chief go see a psychologist because we think you're crazy'

[bitter ginkgo]

I find it irredeemable

[forest fable]

Its painful to watch

[idle pawn]

Not really, Chief at this not a hero of legendary status at least to the higher brass, he's just propaganda tool to boost morale for the fight against the covenant.

[forest fable]

In the series but in the books the spartan program was to fight terrorism on the outer rim, not as a propaganda tool.

[eternal mica]

I think Hardcore Henry was made for only $2M using Gopros and open source special effects software. It shows immersive action FPS movies can be made very inexpensively.

[unreal pebble]

They got co-opted for the propaganda role due to desperation in the HCW, which, this takes place a while into the HCW, so I imagine it's the same way here.

[forest fable]

Chief became a hero after his actions but at first the Spartan program was super secret mainly because no one survived to explain their mates were murdered by a man in a metal suit

[idle pawn]

I'm not talking about the Spartan Program, I'm talking about Master Chief as a figure, he's just a propaganda tool for the public at this point to sell the Spartans as heroes.

[unreal pebble]

Oh, no, people absolutely survived and explained it. Enough that they prepared for fighting Spartans in MJOLNIR.

[forest fable]

In the series he is and it is wrong.

[subtle crystal]

Keep your gatekeeping out of here dude

[unreal pebble]

Books touch on it a good deal-down to them packing AP ammo and malfunctioning gravity panels expressly to deal with blue team. Even Chief almost got ventilated by that stunt.

[thick marlin]

Why did you single me out baby? Just wanna pick on the new guy?

[subtle crystal]

Hardcore Henry is also a 1h30m movie, not a series

[forest fable]

Not at first, they really wrecked havoc in the outer colonies. Special operations style, it was just rumours

[subtle crystal]

I don't care how long you've been here, I'm just not a fan of people telling others they can or can't be a fan of something based on whatever personal preferences they have.

[unreal pebble]

It... Literally wasn't. They had a few ops like that, but people survived the ops. Spartans weren't an unknown quality or quantity.

[echo estuary]

in the books it became a propaganda tool during the covenant incursions

[forest fable]

The war on the covenant mainly the invasion of earth when chief made it back from halo was one of his main public events and commemorations

[unreal pebble]

Their targets didn't survive much, though, so.

Just people around the targets.

[echo estuary]

literally not true

[forest fable]

Spartan program was around for quite a few years before the covenant even turned up, have you read the books?

[echo estuary]

mf

[unreal pebble]

I'm not saying they didn't.

[echo estuary]

there was a lullaby insurrectionists had about spartans coming to kill them

[bitter ginkgo]

Show is so blasphemous that none of it matters

[echo estuary]

they were not that secret

[thick marlin]

Dude doesn't even have mannerisms of the chief, gatekeeping isn't what you use it as, can't even pull from the lore.

& yeah, there's a difference bettering being a passionate fan & a person that just blindly follows, so I'll keep "gatekeeping" or "speaking the hard truths".

[unreal pebble]

Yes, I've read almost every one of the books. That's literally exactly why I know the Spartans were not unknown to the Insurrectionists.

[thick marlin]

It's not that hard.

[forest fable]

Yes and that didnt get invented in the first week, that took years for a reputation to build

[forest fable]

Never said they werent

[unreal pebble]

You can't have a lullaby about Spartans if nobody survives to know what a damn Spartan is.

[echo estuary]

what is your point

[forest fable]

Cant remember, conversation has gone haywire, i was talking about how I hate the show at the beginning

[echo estuary]

thrn

[toxic warren]

If you're telling people they can't be Halo fans because they enjoy the show, then no, we don't do that here.

[echo estuary]

then what are you tryingg to argue about

test

[forest fable]

Not arguing, what are you arguing about?

[unreal pebble]

Tbf, I never said I actually enjoy the show. I just don't dislike it.

[echo estuary]

anyways

[forest fable]

I like the recent spartan combat scenes

[echo estuary]

the prop design in the show is cool asf

[subtle crystal]

I never played any halo game that isn't Infinite and never read the books, do I deserve calling myself a fan? 😂

[unreal pebble]

Yes.

[thick marlin]

Forward Unto Dawn was better

[echo estuary]

if you want to call yourself a fan you’re a fan

[bitter ginkgo]

MCC exists!

[stiff osprey]

I can tell you I’m probably one of the oldest fans here and I’ve been with this franchise since the late 90’s and I was a fan of Marathon before that. I’m as big a Halo fan as they come and I absolutely love the show.

[subtle crystal]

Yeah, I know lol.
Thanks for the approval anyway 🙂

[forest fable]

Hoping the fall of reach will have some quality space battles and blue team action

[echo estuary]

tbh disagree

[thick marlin]

: o nooooo!?!?!? Wack

[subtle crystal]

You're the guy who told about his wife getting into Halo throughout the show, right?

[echo estuary]

fud was good but it’s overrated for some weird reason

[thick marlin]

Word

I want to see a Landfall redux

[stiff osprey]

Yup that’s me. I had to hide the books from her last night, I almost spoiled things for her at the bookstore.

[thick marlin]

That's what I thought we were getting

[echo estuary]

ngl though

that single shot of the drop pod hitting the ground in fud is cool af

[bitter ginkgo]

The show will spoil it I’m 💯

[subtle crystal]

LOL
Just wanted to let you know that's wholesome af and I really enjoyed reading that when you originally told it.

[thick marlin]

Naaaah, that space elevator with the bodies crashing the building & then BOOM! Fire everywhere

[stiff osprey]

@subtle crystal we picked up the Fall of Reach for her to read since I don’t think that book will ruin what’s to come.

[echo estuary]

have we seen odsts in the show yet

i don’t think so

[thick marlin]

The camouflaged hinge head part was tight too

[subtle crystal]

You 100% know more than me about that, show her the way and guide her to the knowledge 🙌

[echo estuary]

it’s funny to me that the book is called “the fall of reach” and then most of the book is not about the fall of reach

[bitter ginkgo]

Never forget Reach City

[stiff osprey]

Like I had to hide the book titled “The Flood” from her. She’ll start asking questions, lol.

[subtle crystal]

"Amm what's the big deal about the rain anyway"

[stiff osprey]

She thinks the Halo rings are meant for traveling, lol.

Poor thing has no idea. She just remembered the Prophets talking about the “great journey.”

[echo estuary]

they technically are if you really think about it

you travel out of existence

[unreal pebble]

Nobody tell this guy about what state NYC is in.

[subtle crystal]

America? ||/s||

[echo estuary]

nah it’s gotta be oregon

[subtle crystal]

Idk what's the spice has to do with locations but ok

[echo estuary]

man

i really wish we saw odsts in the show

and that marines weren’t bumbling idiots

[thick marlin]

They must have put the show on easy difficulty

[bitter ginkgo]

The planet is reach, it’s like having Earth City

[stiff osprey]

Have you not played the games? Marines are beyond idiots lol

[echo estuary]

that’s because the ai’s stupid

[stiff osprey]

Why do you think they’re idiots?

[echo estuary]

not for like

lore reasons

[thick marlin]

^word, yeah that makes sense

Most of Halo's combatative AI is off the charts, since they'd talk & really work hard to outflank you or bombard your position while a random elite sneaks up on you, very underrated. Although, some of the smartest AI I've dealt with, came out of Killzone 2

Oddly enough, if you play on Normal (in MCC for my experience) the games algorithm changes itself, even with no skulls on, & makes random crap happend. I have had plasmas explode mid air without making contact to anything, just because the aggro was real

It's weird constantly doing math, without knowing it, to best these "chess games". Yet, the AI also learns from YOU, so like. Who is teaching whom?

[echo estuary]

ahhh what was that alien game

[thick marlin]

Resistance: Fall Of Man?

[echo estuary]

maybe?

it was the one where you’re on a ship and an alien is hunting you

[thick marlin]

That's the only main alien game on PS I can think of ahahahsh. Oh...uh...Dead Space?

[echo estuary]

and it adapts to ehat you do

[thick marlin]

Oh. Hmm...I don't know, I'm out of guesses

[echo estuary]

nah it was set in the alien movies

[bitter ginkgo]

Alien isolation

[echo estuary]

oh yeah that

it had absolutely insane ai

[thick marlin]

So like, you really felt like you were being hunted by a smart alien?

[bitter ginkgo]

You have to nail that for it to be terrifying

[echo estuary]

yeah you could put it that way

it would react to sounds you made and whatnot

[thick marlin]

Screew that. I've seen some of those where even breathing to loud & they'll find you, so fetch.

Anybody got VR & play Contractor$ as well?

[tawdry kestrel]

Dead space isn't aliens

[thick marlin]

Yeah...I dropped that ball. Necromorphs..you fight..necromorphs. Thanks, Cortana

[tawdry kestrel]

I mean the tauvolantians are aliens but you don't fight them really

[thick marlin]

No yeah, I'm picking up what you're throwing down big dawg 🤟🏽 I did a goof, happens.

[neat bridge]

The Covenant stole my ramen

[subtle crystal]

The covenoodles hide in the Ramen

[tawdry kestrel]

The ramenant glassed my planet 😭

[worn blade]

We are being attacked by Spagheili elites

[unique lava]

Watched episode 3

So far season 2 isn't as bad as season 1
Hope it stays that way

[heavy locust]

I heard chiefs gonna give the covenant back their bomb

[tawdry kestrel]

Master Chief ❎ Master Cheeks ✅

[empty marsh]

guys whats the full halo movies order? (counting full movies, short movies, animated etc)

[tawdry kestrel]

What?

[stoic jetty]

Just finished S2E3 so for the first time I am finally caught up.

P H E N O M E N A L show

[empty marsh]

chronological order

[tawdry kestrel]

Like the game cutscenes or?

[empty marsh]

no actual movies

[tawdry kestrel]

There's only one movie

[empty marsh]

games will be another order for me

[empty marsh]

what are you talking about

theres many movies

[tawdry kestrel]

Forward unto dawn is the only halo movie that exists

[empty marsh]

false

theres a lot more

[tawdry kestrel]

Wasn’t there an anime one

[empty marsh]

that too

[tawdry kestrel]

That's halo legends not a movie just a bunch of short films

[empty marsh]

theres nightfall too

[tawdry kestrel]

We don't talk about that horrendous movie

[empty marsh]

ill search it up on google and see

[tawdry kestrel]

It's none existent

Lol

[wise onyx]

I never seen nightfall, how bad is it?

[heavy locust]

Halo legends was ok

Fud was good

[ashen vector]

It was good I just had a personal opinion.. not a fan of armor. Look I kinda hate it when it looks plastic

[tawdry kestrel]

Then you must hate stormtroopers

[wispy basin]

I was just going through season 1 again but I decided to watch the HUD, some false info on it 😦

Cant post picture, but like, it says "NO WEAPON EQUIPPED" and "NO GRANADES EQUIPPED", but on the top left shows 2 grenades, and top right shows a battle riffle 🤔

Oh well lmao

[brittle plover]

Who like gta type games

[toxic warren]

#general-chat

[sacred plume]

Loving seeing people suffer because theres a pretty big audience enjoying season 2.

Them scrambling to try and cancel it is gold to save, the walking joke for the international audience.

[verbal fox]

You got a source for your "big audience?"

[subtle crystal]

Case and point

[verbal fox]

Paramount hasn't released any information to suggest high viewership

They released the first episode on Youtube, 135k views for a free video is quite abysmal, especially over a holiday weekend, given they claimed millions for S1E1.

[sacred plume]

Internationally it was over a million for Mexico, over 800k in Brazil, the list goes on

As in theres way more people outside the place you consider

Why do you think Paramount greenlit S2 so quickly initially, the reports mentioned that the growth internationally was their driving factor.

[stiff osprey]

Paramount said the first episode alone was its most watched within 24 hours. Even beating out Yellowstone,

[sacred plume]

Case in point, internationally we are just laughing at some of the really messy arguments people are giving for S2 being bad.

[stiff osprey]

And I think they said Yellowstone had like 5 million viewers in its first 25 hours.

Fans just look for things to be upset about. I’d rather talk to non-fans and get their input. If it can win them over, it’s a win in my book,

[verbal fox]

That was for Season 1, Episode 1.
There was never viewership numbers for the entire Season, nor S2E1

[sacred plume]

Fr, at least here in Mexico we are celebrating it as an elseworlds Halo show.

And honestly props to the showrunner, theyve made a whole 180

Theres even a promotion of chief in Mexico due to the Pozole meme we've had since Halo 2

Chief with a sombrero will now sit in the gallery of canon memes

[stiff osprey]

Well you’ve got to assume the numbers where well enough to green light a second season.

[verbal fox]

They greenlight S2 before S1E1 even released.
They have not done the same for S3.

One can safely assumed a lot of people watched S1E1 to see if it was worth watching.
We have no idea if viewership was maintained

[sacred plume]

Yeah because Paramount had just been out as a streaming service for a bit so they had to make announcements to assure investors.

And given the overall sentiment internationalky and even in the country, even if its quite split in the US, I wouldnt be surprised for a S3.

[stiff osprey]

I’d be shocked if they don’t greenlight a third season given how well everyone’s liking season 2.

[torn fern]

I still don't like season 2...

I stopped watching season 1 halfway through the first episode

[sacred plume]

It has, at least out of the US, its been taked in the Spanish speaking community and Portugues, with some european sectors in specific also seemingly.

[stiff osprey]

Well you’re missing out. But everyone’s allowed to have an opinion.

[verbal fox]

People liking it is a little irrelevant. They are looking at Viewership and subscriber count on the platform.
If viewership is significantly worse than anticipated, they likely won't

[torn fern]

and watched a few reviews of the first 2 episodes of season 2 - and it's still not halo

[sacred plume]

Green man not shoot

[torn fern]

like if you want a good halo thing to watch - Watch Halo: Forward Unto Dawn

[sacred plume]

Me not like clones because I dont read books

[torn fern]

and did everything mostly right

on a fraction of the budget this abomination has

[sacred plume]

Alright, so S2, what is so bad

[torn fern]

an entire budget for 1 episode of the abomination is all that the Forward Unto Dawn movie has

[stiff osprey]

Forward unto Dawn was meant to appeal to fans, not a mass audience

[sacred plume]

Nah no repetition, I want the specifix

[verbal fox]

23 Billion People are dying

[torn fern]

you can appeal to a mass audience and stick to the canon and established lore

[sacred plume]

Wolf you havent answered

[torn fern]

for 1: master cheeks, need I say more?

[stiff osprey]

If that’s what you want, go play the games?

[sacred plume]

S2 not 1

[stiff osprey]

I hate that that argument lol

[torn fern]

for 2: it's still not halo - they're still focusing on the ridiculous sub plots

[verbal fox]

He takes his clothes off immediately after the title card, so Wolf's point fits S2

[sacred plume]

Like finishing the mess S1 had made so they can converge stories without the normal viewer getting lost.

[stiff osprey]

And you know what? My wife enjoyed it too

[torn fern]

there's 2 things that finally make it Halo - 1) master chief says "covenant are on reach" and 2) the scene with the convenant ships coming out of the clouds

but that's it - everything else is filler and not canon

[stiff osprey]

If you don’t enjoy it, don’t watch it?

[sacred plume]

The issue I see here is pretty much no one reading what in between missions were for Chief, pretry much people that only know Halo for a few games

[torn fern]

oh and the scene where the spartans are talking crap to each other and the one says "suck [redacted] creme" or something

[sacred plume]

I had an idiot say the clones were not from Halo, when thats straight how they took in the candidates

[torn fern]

like what?! I've never heard a human being say that in my life

[sacred plume]

Yeah, Red team punched the eye out of a member of black team

[torn fern]

and that conversation where the guy goes and asks chief "what's your kdr?"

like what?

nah man that ain't halo

[sacred plume]

Nah, you just really havent read anything related to Halo

You want me to ruin your bad sense of Halo?

[stiff osprey]

This stuff seriously gets old lol

[sacred plume]

Black team had its memebers in an intimate relationship straight up having sexual reltaionships.

[torn fern]

It's just not Halo. Sorry not sorry.

[sacred plume]

You want more? Well how about the fact Ackerson was 10 times more petry and trued to get chief killed in a trainning excersise due to career objectives.

That is Halo all the way back eith Bungie

[stiff osprey]

Tag me when you guys actually want to have a productive conversation about the show. 😂

[torn fern]

If they'd stick to the canon, stick to the lore, master chief NEVER takes off his helmet - EVER. And is reserved, quiet and always on mission. I'd have less of a problem with the series

[sacred plume]

Well I agree on one thing, S1 had very bad timing to get rid of the helmet

[verbal fox]

Halo is supposed to be a Paleo Cosmic Epic with the following features:
1.) Techno-Mysticism (the show ignores the techno part and goes full mysticism/religion)
2.) Hyperagency, in the form of Artificial Intelligence. Cortana is sidelined immediately in this Season and there is no other AI (even Ackerson is supposed to have one)
3.) Accelerated Extinctionism and Survivalism. You couldn't tell that 23 Billion people are dying to the Covenant in this show.
4.) 2D Characters. Chief should be a 2d Character, with those around him being 3D.

[sacred plume]

No

Like legit no

[stiff osprey]

It’s been confirmed. According to @torn fern MC sleeps in his armor.

[sacred plume]

From The Fall of Reach book, Chief has always been an individual wirh goals and objectives, with his team only bringing this even further in line.

I bet none of you even know who Sam is.

[stiff osprey]

Sam 034?

[verbal fox]

Sam is not canon to the Silver Timeline

Nor is Blue Team

[torn fern]

THIS ^

[sacred plume]

You are kidding right, who do you think was in the team before he was replaced?

The point being, that most people dont even know that Chief is a character Bungie made in the expanded material who was brought to a single line super hero for the original trilogy.

[verbal fox]

Blue Team: John 117, Kelly 087, and Samuel 034.
Eventually grew to include Linda 058 and Fred 104 following Sam's death.

[sacred plume]

Imagine how many dont even know that, further more how you said he wasnt part of Blue Team.

[torn fern]

I'm sorry but you can't retcon swordbase and delivering cortana from reach to pillar of autumn to the first halo - the show already messed that up

[verbal fox]

Well that in itself was a retcon of TFoR

[sacred plume]

Reach was a recon of the book

[stiff osprey]

I hope they retcon Halo 1 and Commander Keyes survives.

[sacred plume]

And this is actually a separate timeline

Unlike Halo Reach messing with the wntirety of TFoR

[verbal fox]

People wave "separate timeline" like it's a get out of jail free card.

[stiff osprey]

Well it is.

[bitter ginkgo]

Wait over a decade for a show to not even be canon

[sacred plume]

Theres a reason it is

[stiff osprey]

It’s not the games. This is the tv universe.

[sacred plume]

Its not claiming to be the mainline timeline, it never did

[verbal fox]

People asked for a mainline show in the first place

[torn fern]

but it sure as hel is doing a good job of retconning it

[toxic warren]

It's not

[sacred plume]

Retcon needs to be canon for it to be a retcon

[stiff osprey]

If I wanted the game I’d go play the games, lol

[toxic warren]

It's not mainline canon, therefore it changes nor removes nothing from the main canon

[stiff osprey]

Which is what I think yall should do if you want to enjoy that lore

[sacred plume]

Or read the books, the books are great, you lose a lot if you dont read them

[torn fern]

or having the covenant be lead by a random lost girl?

yeah ok

[stiff osprey]

She doesn’t lead them, now I know you haven’t watched the show lol

[bitter ginkgo]

The games don’t even have one shower scene 😭

[sacred plume]

They are not lead by her? More so they use her to manipulate reclaimer artifacts

[torn fern]

I'd like to know where that happens in the main canon

[sacred plume]

What forcing humans for that? Johnson in H3

Like seriously, do you even pay attention?

[torn fern]

is Johnson in the show?

[sacred plume]

We dont know yet

[stiff osprey]

I also know you’ve never read the books lol

[verbal fox]

No, Johnson is not in the show.
Keyes has become him

[sacred plume]

Keyes is weird, great actor performance, I just hipe they are seprate

Otherwise its going to get weird later on

[verbal fox]

He takes on the Sgt Johnson ground motivation role, and never commands a ship, so he is half Keyes, half Johnson.

[torn fern]

I'm glad someone enjoys the show but I won't be watching it

[sacred plume]

Thats alright

[torn fern]

until Chief is portrayed correctly, the main canon IS the main plotline, and the ridiculous subplots are retconned

[sacred plume]

S1 I agree, S2 a bit more emotional but chief has always been one of the more out of bounds in terms of the Spartan 2s

Making his own calls

[bitter ginkgo]

Show chief is blasphemous

[sacred plume]

Doing what he considers will be best not caring for command

Like First Strike where he withhokds info abourmt Johnsons condition to the UNSC so they wonr disssect him.

[verbal fox]

Chief still best fits a 2d character role. He doesn't change, but causes change in those around him.

[torn fern]

Like I said - Halo: Forward Unto Dawn movie got it right, Halo: The Fall of Reach movie also got it right

[sacred plume]

I think TFoR and Sams death in specific shows that isnt needed

[torn fern]

that's what I want from a tv show or series if it's gonna have the privilege to call itself Halo or part of the Halo universe

[stiff osprey]

Thanks!

[torn fern]

I think they would've had far more success had they stuck to the original canon - and far more viewership too

[verbal fox]

Books can explore that more easily because they can go where Shows, Games, and other visual mediums cannot.
Besides, there is no Chief when Sam dies, not yet. That's the origin story of the 2d character.

Correction: there is Chief Mendez

[torn fern]

the problem with the show is NONE of those characters are there

[sacred plume]

Shows are long format media, so unlike a movie Id argue otherwise, again.

[torn fern]

and if they are, they're half-baked and NOT the focus when they should be and we only get minimum screen time from them and only 1-2 lines

[sacred plume]

You definitely havent seen S2

Ackerson and Keyes steal the scenes

[torn fern]

the more important thing is

[verbal fox]

Shows still don't give you inner monologues, unless you want House of Cards but that doesn't fit Halo.

[torn fern]

why did it take an entire season to acknowledge maybe messing with canon and characters identities isn't a good idea

[sacred plume]

Show, dont tell, that can be as powerful

Ackersons whole talk with his dad and then Halsey

Like thats what shows can be great for

[verbal fox]

Ackerson, I will give you, but he is far better characterized than the Chief.

[sacred plume]

I think the showrunner is doing a hard 180 without leaving the previous audience behind in S1

[torn fern]

I mean

[sacred plume]

So imagine being given S1 and you need to bring things more in line with the main canon while retainning the events in S1

[verbal fox]

It's more like a 90 degree turn at best.

[torn fern]

he did call out the entire fan base when he said "if you have a problem with the helmet coming off this show isn't for you"

[stiff osprey]

Season 2 has a new show runner.

[sacred plume]

They are building up John accepting his role and become only chief

[sacred plume]

Exactly

[stiff osprey]

The dude from the first season didn’t return.

[sacred plume]

Well yeah, they are on the safest planet and not yet in Halo

[torn fern]

like the actor kind of had an arrogance and rejection for the entire character

[stiff osprey]

I feel like the showrunner for season two actually understands the property

[sacred plume]

Like props to him for saying, "we are not there yet"

[torn fern]

which also turned me off of the show

[sacred plume]

Because imagine him lying

[torn fern]

you're playing the biggest character in the entire franchise and you just told the entire fan base to go [REDACTED] themselves

[sacred plume]

Better to be told thr truth and not be lied to.

This season will most likely kill silver team and leave things like CE

[verbal fox]

I don't think the showrunner does.
There is a lot of key Halo elements missing, Chief aside.

[sacred plume]

Again, you are handed S1, its a gradual change while also not being mainline lore

[torn fern]

they could've started with mainline lore, and not completely dumped on chief's character

and actually done some fan service

[sacred plume]

I mean imagine noble 6 and chief on halo

[torn fern]

instead of telling the fans to go [redacted] themselves

[sacred plume]

He didnt do that

Like legit you are putring words in his mouth

He said that S2 would still have him not on armor all the time.

[verbal fox]

My biggest gripe is still, there is no Accelerated Extinctionism here.
They treated UNSC military power in S1 like its the Humans from Avatar.
In this season, they still don't fully show the audience that 23 Billion People are dying.

[sacred plume]

I think thats intentional

This season

[torn fern]

He was quoted in an interview saying exactly these words: "If you don't agree with the helmet coming off in the show, you don't like our show. So, there's no point discussing it."

[sacred plume]

Yes, would you rather be lied to?

[bitter ginkgo]

Season 2 feels way to much like a drama, the decisions from ONI/UNSC outweigh any battles the covenant get into with them

[torn fern]

that's what a lot of reviews I saw said too - and another reason why it's not halo

[verbal fox]

Too much fighting of Humanity fighting itself, which is something Hollywood loves.

[sacred plume]

People who introduced themsleves to Halo through the show need to gradually see chief sticking to the role

Like heres our issue internationally, we have seen this done before

And a lot of the outrage seems to be driven out of ego in ocassions

[torn fern]

now I will say if we get to season 3 and it's actually the fall of reach or actually combat evolved

and the characters are actually accurate representations

[verbal fox]

Reach falls Thursday, then Kwan will show up with her new melee powers and kill the Covenant.

[sacred plume]

Just watch episode 3 and 4, the things is that ONI/UNSC is the inter human relationships that hold tension.

And its also through succesful interconnection of characters that the budget can grow.

Like people

[stiff osprey]

I’d watch that.

[sacred plume]

Lets be real, the budget for shows are not infinite and they showrunner is spreading the story quite well

More in specific when in Reach itvis meant to be Earths military symbol, so the social aspect would be the mostbimportant there

[verbal fox]

Earth hasn't been mentioned once this Season

[sacred plume]

Again S3 if it happens, thats Halo, no breaks to be relaxed

Why do you think Ackerson took VIP assets out and to where. They are building that ip for audiences who are not as involved.

As in if S3 is Halo

S4 would be Earth

So it wouldnt be the main focus for S2, Halo would

[verbal fox]

Ackerson makes it sound like most of the Inner Colonies are fine.

[sage acorn]

I hope kwan gets glassed 🤣

[sacred plume]

I think Kwan may be put into the role of a recruit marine to follow chiefs and Keyes story alone with some events on Earth whilr Chief is in Halo

[verbal fox]

Again, no Accelerated Extinctionism here. In Reach, you knew Reach was the last Colony before Earth.
Here, who knows

[bitter ginkgo]

They went and made her an assassin outta nowhere

[sacred plume]

Well thats the point, remember the trailer showing reachs population?

[verbal fox]

Kiki Wolfkill wants to put Soren, Kwan, and Chief back together, according to post S1 interviews

[sacred plume]

The general population wasnt fully aware of the storm that was about to come

[sacred plume]

Yes, no more stories beyond chief, thus why S2 needs ro show them getting back with chief

People are not thinking longterm

[sage acorn]

Maybe kwan will become flood infected

[stiff osprey]

I’m ready for John and Kwan to meetup again. She’s grown a lot in these last 6 months.

[sacred plume]

Maybe, protecting Keyes

Like an alternate version of the soldier in mainline that withheld fully to the Flood and tried ro stop a carrier being taken to earth

[verbal fox]

By this point in the war even Chief was contemplating everything lost. That's why RED FLAG came to be. Everyone felt the inevitability.

23 Billion Dead

[sage acorn]

for an accurate timeline once they find the ring the flood will be shortly after

[verbal fox]

They brought Makee back to life, they won't kill Kwan.

[sage acorn]

if reach falls episode 4 then ???

[sacred plume]

Yes, thats chief, thats the point of why he is against ONIs plan to not tell people.

Perez medal scene is meant to showcase the propaganda.

[sacred plume]

4,5 and maybe 6, I think 6 or 7 will recreate operation red flag.

[verbal fox]

Yes, because you need propaganda like that when 23 billion people are dying.

[sage acorn]

do we assume the Spartans upgrade to shields soon also?

[verbal fox]

More than 3x the population of Earth

[sacred plume]

Exactly, while making the the second most important planet's population not be aware of how close the Covenant was.

[stiff osprey]

Yall really don’t like girls, huh? 😂

[sacred plume]

Different timeline, they already do

[sacred plume]

Tell that to my teachers university is a whole thing to commit to

[sage acorn]

ah I guess in s1 first person they show the shield down but that was so meh

[verbal fox]

Chief bickering to Ackerson about him not believing him (even though by then it's 100% too late), doesn't really fit the character. Or a military environment for that matter. E3 makes it makes sense why Ackerson does what he does, but the way Chief approached the situation was weird. In S1, he confided with Keyes before, now he won't.
Man, if only there was an NCO that gave motivational speeches he could confide in instead.

[toxic warren]

Can we make sure any plot point discussion for Season 2 is moved to #halo-the-series-spoiler-chat - for anyone that hasn't seen the episodes yet

[sacred plume]

Well consider this, Ackerson always knew, he just didnt want it to be spread as truth and he still wantd the Spartan 2s out, best way to do make the propaganda boy look bad and ineffective, Chief learned Keyes was part of the project that took him away and never told him.

As to Cheifs attitude again, the new showrunner needs to build him to become whatvyou expect given S1

This is a work that takes many steps to get there, its not a switch.

[verbal fox]

Again, we are at a point where he should be a 2d character and other's around him, like Perez and Cortana, are 3d

Like Lasky in FUD

[sacred plume]

Thats a very centered chief, you can argue what H4 and 5 do with Chief in Hunt the Truth works better with the groundwrk here.

So if the show goes on long enough, events like chiefs attitude in H4 would feel more in character.

While mainline its about chief becoming more of a person, here its John becoming a person but giving that away to commit to his role.

And in that way its almost what happened with the MCU spiderman, all of this is to build the character to the status quo everyone knows them for.

[verbal fox]

Like flip the script here.
What if we watched from Perez's POV: she saw the Covenant and somehow survived, with Chief saving her from Glassing last second.
ONI thinks she is seeing things, but Chief acts like a moral support rock and supports Perez's account.

[sacred plume]

Its about Johns plot of S1 being close for the general audience and Chief being put in the center as a symbol

The entirery of this season seems to be about that.

And I know people wanted a flip of a switch but for good storytelling regarding all viewers, it needs ro be made through natural links, and that meant S2 had to carry that burden to correct its path.

[verbal fox]

We are seeing none of that symbol affecting him. We see less than 30 seconds of propaganda, but he doesn't act or discuss being a symbol.
Ackerson mentions it, as well as talks to Kai about it, but that's the limit.

[sacred plume]

Well the promo shows after next episode he will have to

He will accept because of why he refused to listen in these 3 episodes, he cares for people and that is the driving force.

Something some people seem to say isnt the case, making Chief sound like Judge Dredd.

Its about getting there while making the best of what had happened with S1. A heavy task that so far is heading on the right direction.

[heavy locust]

You could argue that in the game chief cared about cortana though

[sacred plume]

Yes, in the books he cares a lot for those under him

Its just that people seem to ignore that, saying chief would ignore civilians and cries for help.

[heavy locust]

I think a series with game chief wouldn't be as engaging personally

[sacred plume]

I think movies wpuld be better

John Wick works great

[heavy locust]

Yeah possibly. We'll probabky have 4/5 seasons now though lol

[sacred plume]

Its justthe show allows for better search into the expanded lore

Than just recreating the games

[verbal fox]

Except it isn't really searching expanded lore

"Separate Timeline" is a double edged sword

[sacred plume]

It certainly is working ONI in a way the games couldnt and making characters like Ackerson well known while Id argue improving hisnmotivation.

But I agree

[verbal fox]

And, well, Chief has ignored cries for help, though typically in situations where he can't do anything.

Ackerson is still largely the same character I would argue

The games can't work ONI because ONI was never meant to be a villain, or any Human faction.

[sacred plume]

Separate timeline, you get to see chief actually at the moment the attack happens while in the main timeline we couldnt get that.

Ackerson is also way different, its not about ideology and career only now. It is personal and tragic because you can tell this verdion cares about reach and seeing it fall actually hurts him unlike the almost uncaring version in mainline.

[verbal fox]

Which attack?

[sacred plume]

When the Covenant initially invaded Reach, chief wasnt on the planet

On the surface to be more precise

[verbal fox]

From the Reach game perspective, yes, but not TFoR

TFoR is brutually quick though

But I want to talk Ackerson

[sacred plume]

Alright Ackerson

[verbal fox]

Ackerson wasn't really focused on during Reach's Fall, but one could assume he was appalled nonetheless. All the UNSC was.
But he was always a family man. In lore, he saved his brother at the cost of his own life.

He still acts the same way: Superior, in charge, above everyone

Same disdain for Halsey, albeit different reasons.

[sacred plume]

I remember that comic, but even then he seemed more "Petty" I guess is the way to put it.

I feel like I like both for their different interpretations but for a show format making his pain and anger personal while linking reach to him through his father having built parts of Reach.

It sells the idea that he isnt just there to be opposition but an alternative way of seeing the situation.

[verbal fox]

Even so, he acts like his canon counterpart would, given the situation.

[sacred plume]

Probably

[verbal fox]

Alas, he is the only character like that.

[sacred plume]

I also enjoyed Keyes and Perez

And Vannak too

[verbal fox]

Chief, Halsey, Soren, Cortana, Jacob Keyes, and Miranda Keyes are all vastly different from their canon counterparts.

[sacred plume]

You have to give it to the actors of Keyes and Halsey, they play their roles well, even if somewhat divergent

[verbal fox]

Ackerson, though, was almost copy pasted

[sacred plume]

Cortana still feels like a mix of Cortana and the Weapon

[verbal fox]

I wouldn't even say that. The Weapon and Cortana both had a far greater character arc than TV Cortana. Now she is in limbo

[sacred plume]

Until episode 4

[verbal fox]

They made Cortana into a 2d character.

[sacred plume]

And they are linking her to the Chief in a more lets call it, familiar fashion

[verbal fox]

Episode 4 is still conjecture at this point.

Mark it as spoilers since this is the non spoiler chat (I don’t care frankly)

[sacred plume]

My bad, its speculation still lets say

Nah all good, its better tp save that part for the episode

[verbal fox]

But I keep questioning the decisions they have made.
They basically took Ackerson over from canon with little change.
They took a lot of original characters (Halsey, Keyes) and completely shook them up.
But, they deleted Blue Team to place in original characters.
Where is the line?

[sacred plume]

Again, new Showrunner has to course correct while keeping what happened in S1.

[echo estuary]

because they didn’t want to completely reset

it’s a soft reset

[sacred plume]

My parents actually really like S2 and its partially because they are making that change gradually

[verbal fox]

And Miranda is still no where to be seen

[sacred plume]

She will appear but on the backend I believe, rn theres no reason to focus on her.

Its all about Reach rn, and its fall

[echo estuary]

honestly i think making a show about master chief was the biggest mistake

[verbal fox]

Not with Kwan still in every episode

Miranda got the axe but not Kwan. Very strange

[sacred plume]

Kwan is probably going be a cadet/marine with chief on the pillar

[echo estuary]

especially a master chief pre-end of hcw when he had basically 0 emotions

[sacred plume]

Thats why they made her venom Kwan probably

[verbal fox]

Most people just want her gone. Even those who like the show

[sacred plume]

Again, making the messy plotlines converge to follow 1 point of view going forward

[sacred plume]

I think the showrunner sees usage in the character and is trying to make her attitude in S1 be her punishment.

[verbal fox]

I mean I don't think anyone would have cared if she died during Madrigal's Glassing in the time skip

[verbal fox]

No, I don't think it's the Showrunner.
It's one of the Executive Producers.

[echo estuary]

producers don’t really do anything to affect the plot

[sacred plume]

The thing here is that us as people versed on Halo dont liked her in S1 but the more general audience seems to have, so fixing the character by making her unable to accomplish S1 plot and making here detach feom that.

To then use her as a Marine PoV on the ring later on can work. Perez I believe is being taken in as a batch for the Spartan 3 program.

[verbal fox]

Putting aside all the Master Cheeks outcry, all the Rumble stuff was despised last Season the most, but it stayed, and is STILL the most despised.
Someone in charge wanted it to stay.

[sacred plume]

Again, they have 2 clashing audiences there, so the middle point is concluding her plotline and using her as a PoV for the horrors that are to come while not being a brat and actually following chief.

[verbal fox]

You can read through all the critic reviews and audience reviews on RT, even supporters hate her and the side plots.

[sacred plume]

Essentially she needs to be sold well in the next few episodes

[sacred plume]

I dont disagree

I just say that with how the new showrunner is working with things, they could make kwan an interesting marine cadet in all of this without diverging.

We are yet to see.

[verbal fox]

I don't think her character could even fit that. She's too despised to redeem in any meaningful way. People rather have Chipps Dubbo or Jenkins or someone new for "follow Chief around" bit, if they even do that.

Ironically her orphan status and her unhinged behavior makes her more fit for S3 Program.

Shave her head, drug her up, put in the pellet since they made that garbage up, done.

[sacred plume]

I say dont ever say the word because I have witha lot of shows and believe me, the right direction can change hearts.

We have to see how they are planning to integrate her.

[verbal fox]

Spartan III that will still anger everyone

[sacred plume]

Spartan 3s anger people since their introduction

Honestly I think the 3 will be used for a redflag type operation, we dont know yet if maybe Ackerson already has some teams working

For the special units that those such like noble were

[stiff osprey]

I feel like the Spartan 3’s and 4’s will be rolled in together.

[clear nova]

If they wanted to keep Soren (because Bokeem Woodbine is a great actor and the character works well for both Halsey and Ackerson) they couldn't drop the Rubble completely. All signs point to them closing that scene out shortly.

[stiff osprey]

I’m glad fans don’t write shows like this. I for one enjoy seeing things outside the usual UNSC stuff. This is the side of the Halo universe we rarely see.

[quaint glade]

The halo series is great

[subtle crystal]

Yep, it is

[quaint glade]

I think the cast was picked perfectly so far

[bitter ginkgo]

I would of liked to see John Bernthal as chief since he was so good as Punisher

[floral spoke]

I loved him as punisher too but he's way too short to be a spartan

Dude is 5'9

Why don't people like kwan?

[spring viper]

Watch season 1 pretty simple lol

[floral spoke]

I did.
S2 she's a good character

[bitter ginkgo]

She went from audience complaining she’s useless to solid snake in 6 months

[floral spoke]

Oh

[spring viper]

Not in a million years she'll be considered good and her story is absolutely useless and her acting is really bad they only put her in the show to add filler in the episodes

[subtle crystal]

People complain when they don't like the character
People complain when said character is being written differently to fix problems with said character

Some of y'all just can't be won with

[subtle crystal]

You see, that's your opinion
And that's great that you have one, it really does!
And maybe you think your opinion is valid and true and backed up by multiple layers of cover, and it's totally fine!

As long as you remember it's your opinion.

[spring viper]

By all means fix her character but no matter what they do her acting skills isn't gonna improve and you'll always remember the unlikeable kwan in season 1

[subtle crystal]

Maybe you will remember, I won't 😂

[bitter ginkgo]

The character is a straight up Kwan Wick assassin we have to like her now

[spring viper]

Sure keep defending that character "kwan" the fact is majority of the people absolutely hate her so yeah

[subtle crystal]

Why is it always "defending" with people like you? Seriously, I need you to explain it to me why it's not an option that someone just doesn't hate a fictional character at such a passion like you.

[spring viper]

^^^^^

[subtle crystal]

So you're not able to give me an answer?

[bitter ginkgo]

He doesn’t have to answer, and what you mean “people like you”

[subtle crystal]

He doesn't have to, it just proves my point lol

Hate for the sake of hating 🤷‍♂️

[spring viper]

Nope as i don't have the time for people like you unfortunately so keep Defending that character like i said lol

[subtle crystal]

Well, you clearly had the time for me until now, huh?
Weirdly enough your time is up just right when you ran out of excuses😂

[spring viper]

^^^^

[subtle crystal]

That's part of what I meant in "people like you"

[unreal pebble]

The real Spider Man would be disappointed.

[subtle crystal]

With all the respect, the only thing you're doing right now is a massive disservice to the other people who hold your opinion

[bitter ginkgo]

Well this is silver timeline spider man

[spring viper]

^^^^

[subtle crystal]

I thought you said you have no time for me?

Why are you wasting precious 2 minutes then?

[spring viper]

Don't flatter yourself I'm on Discord in multiple servers you are the one keeps pinging me to force me to see your message you are the one getting annoyed by my ^^^^ message lol

[subtle crystal]

That doesn't explain why you keep wasting time you claim you don't wanna spend on me lmao

[spring viper]

^^^^

[unreal pebble]

Nah

[subtle crystal]

Case number #23 of halo fans being childish, argumentive and hating for the sake of hate, closed

(And yes, I have all the former 22 filed and kept for safety)

[subtle crystal]

Some people just were never meant to wear the mask

[bitter ginkgo]

That’s the awesome thing about silver timeline he doesn’t

[unreal pebble]

There actually was a silver armored Spiderman. He's a hotheaded jerk with an ego the size of Texas.

[subtle crystal]

Of course he doesn't, that would make him a fraudulent Spider-Man

[subtle crystal]

Ohhhh right.
Fitting like a glove, actually

[spring viper]

Still banging on i see you need to deal with the fact the majority of the people hate Kwan but please do keep trying to call me stuff just because you couldn't force me to give you answers you say I'm being childish look at your behaviour kid but I'm sure you'll try to turn this on me again

[subtle crystal]

Punctuation bruh.

[spring viper]

Nah I'll message how i like with Punctuation or Not so Deal with it as i personally do not care

[sacred plume]

I love seeing people scream and saying whatever, the stadistics worldwide have placed the show as the 3rd most viewed show across the globe.

For this week btw

So sh@tvI guess the 300k section that cries about it truly is small against the 65 million or so people tunning in to watch it.

[subtle crystal]

You know why the vocal minority is called like that?
Because the majority is busy actually enjoying stuff and playing or watching them instead of endlessly cry about how bad they are and how everyone should passionately hate them.

Example can be found above.

[spring viper]

I didn't say the whole show is bad it's the useless Kwan story that has no place in the show and the pirate stuff just for filler if they are planning on doing something with Kwan the writers need to hurry up and get to the point with her but as of right now Kwan is absolutely useless

[sacred plume]

Well duh, they are making her skilled so she can be put as a cadet close to the story of chief. No more divergent plotlines

People need to read between the lines and realize that this season is actively working towards converginf the stories that were completely separated in S1.

[wooden parrot]

Kwan is annoying tbh

[nocturne star]

Kwan is a narrative answer to a question nobody asked

i think the actor is portraying the character close to how the director intended the character to be portrayed. I don't think there's anything wrong with the acting.

[west pike]

I feel like people don't bring up that they should've just made their own spartan group or used a more unknown team to make "their own story to tell." It would've felt genuine and gave more freedom to the writers.

[nocturne star]

people definitely bring that up. I know because I'm people.

[echo estuary]

master chief was a poor choice for the protagonist of a halo show

or for that matter anything that’s not a video game

[west pike]

Not enough tho, it's literally the only irrefutable opinion against the defense of a "silver timeline" its lazy and disingenuous to do what they did for the show knowing that the writers just aren't good enough or don't care about the universe enough to put some effort into expanding the lore or putting a spot light on lesser known plot points. They traded originality for cheap copies and purposefully changed things in a blind sense of prideful confidence and "I know better" thinking.

[echo estuary]

tbh at first the criticisms of season 1 were like yeah that makes sense and all that

but i think at this point people are starting to just get pissy that the show’s not telling the story they wanted it to tell

[echo estuary]

is the mcu lazy and disingenuous for not being set in the timeline of the marvel comics?

[west pike]

S-strawman I think? That's not what I'm talking about...

There's like a million timelines for marvel comics alone. It's almost admirable to still have an original story at that point... how many alternate comics does Halo have?

[echo estuary]

see but i don’t think it is

a lot of criticisms people have about the halo show are unnecessarily harsh

“the halo show’s lazy for not expanding on main canon lore!”

maybe… that was never the goal?

maybe, just maybe, people with a different creative vision for their show aren’t lazy

[west pike]

Yes it wasn't the goal and its clearly not that great to just take something that isn't yours and make it yours when the fans would prefer it be theirs. This isn't a college project, this is fanfare

[echo estuary]

you’re misconstruing your opinion as the opinion of all fans

“the fans” don’t necessarily agree with you

a lot of people enjoy season 2

[west pike]

That's great, still bad writing practices

[echo estuary]

now you’re the one strawmanning

what writing practices about the halo show do you find bad?

[west pike]

I don't appreciate people taking established stories, claiming to know better, then changing them for their wants and desires, ignoring the fact it wasn't their creation

[west pike]

IM THE ONE THAT MADE THE POINT

[echo estuary]

that… isn’t what they did

[west pike]

It's what they said they did...

I've quoted it here already

It is THEIR story to tell, they boldly claim

[echo estuary]

i feel like you left a lot of context out of that quote

[west pike]

Please make the quote not mean exactly what they said. I'd love to hear the gymnastics of defending those who just don't care about the creation they are changing

[echo estuary]

actually i can’t even find this quote

[echo estuary]

i could take any single sentence you’ve said out of context and make it sound completely different

[west pike]

.

[west pike]

This isn't the point, stop reaching and just debate me properly. Like fr you haven't said anything beneficial besides excuses

This show and all shows for that matter do not deserve to be formed into something new by someone who doesn't care/refuses to put effort in knowing where the story originated from. Plain and simple.

[subtle crystal]

Ok, don't like it
They still got permission to do it lol

[west pike]

It's a slippery slope

And we are seeing it all over now

[echo estuary]

https://www.cbr.com/halo-steven-kane-interview/

[subtle crystal]

And I love what I'm seeing

[echo estuary]

my brother in christ this is taken WAY out of context

[west pike]

That's sad, demand more

[echo estuary]

“they” is not the fans, “they” is microsoft and 343

[stiff osprey]

Can we have a chat for people who don’t like the show and one for those that do? Coming into here everyday and seeing people complain and whine about the show gets tiresome.

[echo estuary]

this is about microsoft and 343 respecting that this is the show runner’s story to tell, not the fans having to go along with the showrunner’s vision

you took this quote COMPLETELY out of context to whine about something

the quote was about microsoft and 343, not the fans

[subtle crystal]

The pins says exactly this lol

[echo estuary]

jesus christ at least quote the showrunner correctly if you’re gonna whine

[west pike]

Oh gosh your putting words in my mouth. THEY THINK ITS THEIR STORY TO TELL WHEN IT ISN'T

[subtle crystal]

Or just don't whine if your premise is "I don't like it"

[echo estuary]

As with any adaptation, you have to be willing to change the story from the source material for the sake of the finished product. What was it like working with Bungie and Studio 343 and Microsoft to figure out what's the right way to do this, what's the right way to approach this?

Bungie and 343 and Microsoft, they were really good at helping us... dodge the landmines, because they have 20 years of this under their belt, right? They recognize that every fan has their own version of Master Chief. Every fan has their own relationship with the game. They want to respect that and honor that but recognize that this is our story we're going to tell. So, they just reminded us that people are watching.

[subtle crystal]

Cool, don't like
Nobody forced you to
But don't start a TED about that

[echo estuary]

the quote is about 343 and microsoft respecting paramount’s right to tell the story

not whatever bs you were yapping about

[stiff osprey]

I’m gonna do a TED on why I think Kwan will become a Spartan.

[echo estuary]

it’s not about “haha this is OUR story to tell not the fans’!!!”

[subtle crystal]

Oh she's def being prepped to become something lol

[echo estuary]

you took 2 sentences completely out of context to justify your criticisms of the show

[stiff osprey]

I mean the S3 lore matches up with hers.

[subtle crystal]

Ok, I demand you to stop crying

[west pike]

The fact they shouldn't have the right to make up their own stuff, that hasn't even been original anyway

[echo estuary]

making their own stuff up is by definition original

[subtle crystal]

Shouldn't have the right😂😂😂
They got the right
From the owners of the right
LMAO

[west pike]

They used blade runner as a resource instead of halo dude....

[subtle crystal]

They were approached by the owners of the rights and were told "make a halo show for us"
And they did

[echo estuary]

and i’m sure your source for this is better than a random reddit rant

[west pike]

Not gatekeeping really hurt halo

[west pike]

Yes HALO

[subtle crystal]

You just said "they shouldn't the have the rights", who's the gatekeeper here?

[echo estuary]

link it then

and hopefully you didn’t misread a quote about taking inspiration from other scifi movies and shows

[west pike]

ME I want the weirdos to stop having so much pride to think they know better and can do what they think is "better" for an established IP

[echo estuary]

your opinion isn’t fact

[subtle crystal]

Mmmm sounds like gatekeeping to me.

[west pike]

You want me to link... Halo as the source I'd like them to take from instead of bladerunner...

[echo estuary]

if the halo show is currently the third most watched show in the world the showrunners are probably doing something right

[west pike]

It is, yes~ 💕💕

[echo estuary]

do you have actual evidence the showrunners are taking from bladerunner

[subtle crystal]

So just to be clear, you're admitting to gatekeeping?

[echo estuary]

or are you making stuff up

[west pike]

Did you see the whole hologram scene where master chief gets a hologram cortana to show up for him? It was for like a therapeutic purpose, but it's super blade runneresque

[west pike]

You're a trouble maker.

[subtle crystal]

Yes or no?

[echo estuary]

this means literally nothing

[west pike]

Leave me alone

[subtle crystal]

Admitting to gatekeeping then, I see
I'll leave that for the mods lol

[echo estuary]

if you don’t want people to reply to you don’t post your opinions for people to critique

or disagree with

[west pike]

Then nothing can convince you. You can watch the show again and then watch blade runner and see what you think?

[west pike]

You mean whine?

[echo estuary]

just because two scenes are similar doesn’t mean one copied the other

[west pike]

Poor baby needs mods to agree with them

[echo estuary]

maybe don’t resort to insulting others when they disagree with you

[west pike]

It is pretty spot on side by side so I've seen

[subtle crystal]

Nah, gatekeeping is against the rules here and having them dealing with you is easier

[west pike]

He's treating me to get me banned lol

[echo estuary]

bladerunner is also a completely different story than halo

[west pike]

That's true

[echo estuary]

one scene being similar is not at all an indicator that they copied bladerunner

[west pike]

Sad. You don't like being challenged I guess?

[subtle crystal]

You're already challenged enough bud💀

[echo estuary]

my guy you bragged about gatekeeping 😭😭😭😭

[west pike]

How did I tho? Besides saying the writers should actually be humble enough to study the games and lore?

[echo estuary]

ah well

[west pike]

If that's gatekeeping sure I'm all for it

[echo estuary]

this argument is pointless anyways

agree to disagree

no bad feelings and all that

[west pike]

Fair enough, I just say we should have high standards

We deserve it for having such a long running community

[west pike]

That's really offensive

[subtle crystal]

You're seriously gonna try to act on a high horse now? Don't be ridiculous

[subtle crystal]

"That's really offensive"

[toxic warren]

I think that's enough now

[west pike]

Says the one who wants people who don't know what they're making to make high budget stories about it. Last time I checked thats appropriation

[toxic warren]

Highlighting this again

[west pike]

Alright, I didn't see this, my bad.

[west pike]

It started out constructive, then it got personal super fast.

[tawdry kestrel]

It should never get personal

[toxic warren]

It actually started out by calling those involved with the show lazy, disingenuous and that they don't care about the Halo universe. So no, I wouldn't agree it started out constructive

The best form of constructive feedback and discussion comes from S.M.A.R.T feedback, which is 100% worth looking into

[west pike]

What?

[echo estuary]

man just drop it already

[west pike]

Can I not wonder what he is talking about? Like please get off my back already

What is Smart

[west pike]

So to fix that, I'd say a stronger focus on freeing themselves from the confines of well established characters would be a positive seeing as they can definitely write their own stories and have them be thought provoking and fun to watch. They can make great action scenes it just seems like a draw back to have them forced into having to fight against what they want and what's established (as quoted before that they had to ask frame by frame if this is OK to Microsoft and 343) they woukd be able to go all out if they wanted with either a new team or even a lesser known team that hasn't had much lore attached just yet.

I recognize this would completely obliterate a lot of the choices already made, and woukd be a waste of resources BUT I think it's plausible to repurpose a lot that's been made and who has been hired to fit a more freeing story they'd want to make instead of having to painstakingly and carefully cram it in the Master chief plot mold.

They aren't lazy, I'm just correlating it to them trying to achieve the impossible of making a perfect master chief story (and I recognize perfection is impossible) . If they went with someone more open ended as to how their story should go, perhaps I wouldn't make that wrong conclusion again.

I'm happy they are trying, really, I just would rather they'd use more clear canvases to paint on so-to-speak so it can be easier to create new, and frankly imo more fun, things to see.

Like the complaint of "they could've made this a game I stead" would be kinda mitigated because this isn't the game story. It's so and so's story (i cant think of a name lol) and I think that'd be cool to see and have for newer fans to get into Halo

[tawdry kestrel]

I ain't reading all that

[stiff osprey]

TL:DR @tawdry kestrel

[tawdry kestrel]

Yes

[echo estuary]

tl;dr doesn't like that they focused on master chief i guess

[stiff osprey]

TL:DR, Kwan is the worst. 😂

[west pike]

Tl;Dr there is this pressure to follow lore to a T while at the same time wanting to adapt it differently for a show and also make their own story in the universe of Halo. Because of this pressure they played it safe and used the well established characters instead of expanding which has led to my opinion of, screw it, if you wanna make your own story in Halo, go for it. Use lesser explored characters instead so it's easier for you to make your own handcrafted story.

I also find it funny that I only get real interaction when I say something that isn't constructive, maybe that's why that's all you guys get?

[verbal fox]

I don't like the idea that using Chief is a constraint, or that they need to "free" themselves from him or the lore.
If you are already looking at it from that perspective, you should make an original sci-fi show, not Halo.
Lore is an asset, not a constraint. If you don't agree with that, go write your own original story.

[west pike]

I agree with that, but we gotta let this show go as a "not for us" genre of halo. They made it clear that THIS is it and won't change it so there's no point in having a voice which is why we get called whiners when we speak up I'm assuming

[verbal fox]

Always speak truth to power. We shouldn't be afraid of name calling.

Just because it is difficult or unlikely, one shouldn't just give in.

[west pike]

Yeah but there can be other shows lol

I personally don't think it's a good show to introduce people to the master chief since it robs them of the "Faceless hero" that was what made the character special for people to latch onto during the games. It is OK at getting Halo out of its original framework just like the books, although I don't agree with the strategy all that much.

[echo estuary]

i think the problem was that they shouldn’t have focused on chief in the first place

especially not during the HCW when hr kind of didn’t have a personality

[west pike]

I agree

[clear nova]

They changed the show quite a bit after S1 based on feedback from the fans. Some still aren't willing to give it a chance because of silly things like MC not wearing the helmet 24/7.

[west pike]

I watched the first episode. Felt like I was watching Dune

The helmet is a fair criticism, it was kinda obnoxious how often the mask would be off which kinda felt... intentionally angsty I guess so naturally it was a huge talking point

But it being off and the armor being off out of combat makes perfect sense and isn't really fair to judge poorly.

There was a point that I didn't quite put my finger on til I said it just now... It does seem to have a Dune-like approach to the Sci fi genre... a lot of inner working parts of politics/war and mysticism involved in the story that's missing from the games. I don't really understand that mysticism addition to the writing since the whole point of the games was "These aliens are misleading an entire covenant of other aliens in some holy war, where nothing holy truly exsists" but now it's "The humans got the real covenant, they have nice old witch ladies that see the future of MC." So it's like... the covenant could be right in this universe.. orrrrr?

Obviously the rings are a weapon, but are the prophets actually going to be right about spiritual stuff since humans are? Like it's confusing me

[clear nova]

Through three episodes, it's less about sci-fi mysticism than it is a genuine thematic exploration of faith (religious and non-religious).

For what it's worth, episode 203 is probably the best written episode of the series so far.

[west pike]

Yeah but why be exploring faith at all? It kinda felt out of place to me since it's never really been brought up like the show does, I do however see it in Dune a lot lol

Like the faith aspect has always been shown off best through the covenant, not the humans. I just feel weird seeing a dune like lady talking to chief as if she doesn't already know humans have become a massive military industrial complex and not quite a testament to faith.

(In comparison to the covenant I mean)

Like I get "this can exist" side of it... but I'm wondering why it was put in since they really don't provide anything of value, nor does the faith side of things since it seems the running theme is just gaslighting MC xD

Maybe I'm jumping the gun and it'll be put together soon idrk I'll reserve judgment on that

[clear nova]

The new writers room is clearly better, or at least more focused, than the old one. So far we can see that they have a plan in place for how they are building their characters. They may be using "faith" as a connection between John and the audience (he's the fish out of water learning about "us"). We'll see how it goes.

[toxic warren]

Walking to work, and a bus just passed with a giant ad for the TV show on the side 😁

[dreamy stirrup]

There’s giant billboards in the US promoting it too

[wise onyx]

HALO billboards are everywhere

It appeared in Times Square

[west pike]

Man I wish there were cool ads like that around here... I just see dumb dunkin donuts ads from like 10 years ago or insurance...

[fallen egret]

add sgt johnson to the halo series

[west pike]

They did, he's just hiding as a different role

[stiff osprey]

I feel like we’ll see Johnson by next season. Maybe introduce him to get viewers ready for what happens to Commander Keyes.

[west pike]

I thought Keyes was Sgt Johnson, it'd be really funny if he just suits up as Johnson and nobody says anything

[verbal fox]

There have been some interesting defacements of said Ads, with nothing to actually do with the TV show but ironically having to do with the TV show.

[west pike]

Oh yeah I saw that, looked like Reach related graffiti and actually made the ad look cooler

[verbal fox]

It gave the poster a lot of cooler, deeper meanings.

[zenith fiber]

N

[west pike]

O

[sacred plume]

So "The Covenant" and "The Flood" are not the same faction yet the naming conventions still exist.

So given the symbolism of even Chief as a figure, a Chruch being destroyed by said Covenant is very explicit in a way. Reach in a way working as humanities Church.

[west pike]

I don't really get why that is the route they took. It's supposed to be a military focus and humanitarian led, not Dune-like cults losing their homeworlds, it's an old trope. Same with MC going to a hologram booth, it's not a new trope and it's tiring to see in Sci fi.

I do like that they want to embrace the religious faith aspect that's shown from the outside (the covenant and ecen forerunner) in the games and now meant to be more inward (human factions) in the show, but it’s... one dimensional to me.

If they made it so that the humans instead held similar beliefs to the covenant since the existence of artifacts isn't explored enough imo anyway, it would be more believable. For example a cult of humans holding a relic hostage as their diety is so much more believable than the old crone wise man trope.

[zenith fiber]

I

N

[floral spoke]

When the new episode drops tomorrow who wants to vc and talk about it?

[echo estuary]

nothing about halo is a new trope

also the show is very much still military focused lol

[west pike]

Yes its normally using WAR movies as a trope, but the show is using any Sci fi world trope and fantasy tropes in general. I'm not saying it isn't military focused of course it is and it goes without saying I'm merely pointing out that the extras seem to add very little to the plot where it could actually support it and even drive really cool ideas forward.

[echo estuary]

i mean

it makes sense that a military science fiction show is…

using tropes from science fiction?

[verbal fox]

Nope okay screw this show and Silver Team
They delete Blue Team but import Silver into Canon.

Heresy

[west pike]

You're a pro at misunderstanding me.

There is thousands of differences between the inspiration of full metal jacket, Starship troopers, and I'm sure many more war/Sci fi movies and movies like Dune, Blade runner, and technically star wars at first. These tropes are tiring to see in modern media, but Halo uses them instead of using Halo tropes that could actually provide more to the story

[west pike]

Huh?

[verbal fox]

Newest Canon Fodder

It seems they can't keep their heads screwed on about keeping it separate.

[west pike]

Is it on YT?

[echo estuary]

silver team is canon?

wdym

[verbal fox]

According to the new canon fodder, yes

[echo estuary]

they were always canon

[verbal fox]

Waypoint

[echo estuary]

they chose a team from 343’s internal list of canon spartan ii teams

they were canon before the show, they just didn’t have a story

[verbal fox]

Again, why did they not just chose Blue Team

They picked 3 randoms and deleted one of the most beloved Spartan Teams in lore

I mean deleted. They got that board in the show chalked full of canon teams, but not Blue

[west pike]

I'm confused

Can someone share a link?

[stiff osprey]

Because by picking a team that has very little backstory you have room to expand.

[verbal fox]

aka.ms/CanonFodder150

[stiff osprey]

You put in Blue Team and you’re gonna have people complaining when they deviate from the stories in the books. Don’t say games because Blue Team hardly existed outside Halo 5.

[verbal fox]

https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1760404141468274777?t=HWuFf0n8CLBljnhV_90h7A&s=19

They put in Keyes and Halsey and Parangosky anyhow! The argument is mute

They didn't care to change other characters one bit.

[echo estuary]

what does silver team have to do with the new waypoint story

??

wait did i not see them

[verbal fox]

Its under Omega Team

They named the named the other 3 Spartans that are with Omega on Arcadia in HWs.
Guess I need to boot that up and send them one by one.

[west pike]

Well it's just talking about the 3 peeps with chief, Not actually Chief who is in blue team

[echo estuary]

ohhh

[west pike]

They can easily say he wasn't in silver team

[echo estuary]

i thought you meant in the actual chronicle

[verbal fox]

https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1760404141468274777?t=HWuFf0n8CLBljnhV_90h7A&s=19

^ this story

Has a link in it to Canon Fodder 150

[echo estuary]

honestly that’s a neat way to reveal who they were in canon

[west pike]

Yeah I don't see an issue with this since the show is still not canon, but the 3 people with chief are

[echo estuary]

^

[west pike]

No worries

[echo estuary]

we already knew silver team was canon in some capacity

now we just know who they are

and making them part of omega team’s pretty cool tbh

[west pike]

This makes me like the show more since they actually MADE something for the canon

And it's to the lore's and ours by proxy benefit

[echo estuary]

does this mean silver team are possible survivors of the HCW now

in main canon

because as far as we know nobody on the original omega team died right?

[west pike]

👀

[sacred plume]

I just watched the clip they put on Instagram about tomorrows episode, people will either love it thematically because of how it correlates with Ackersons original comment to chief or are gonna hate it because "green man not wear for the start of the episode"

[echo estuary]

honestly if they had just not shown chief’s face to the audience i feel like it would have been better received

[west pike]

That's a given

[sacred plume]

In that I agree they showed it too early

[echo estuary]

use those camera angles and let him take his stuff off and all that but just don’t show US his face

and then when we do see his face it’s like a big moment

[sacred plume]

Thats the S1 shworunner really leaving it in a hard place for S2 showrunner

[echo estuary]

yeah the s2 showrunner was dealt a bad hand

[west pike]

Agreed

[echo estuary]

honestly season 2’s great

i enjoy it a lot

[sacred plume]

But with that already having happened, them working in that not any of Ackersons Spartans 3 can wear Chiefs armor I think is great.

[west pike]

I struggled through the first episode, imma watch 2 when I get home and see if my opinion changes

[echo estuary]

funny that they released 1/4 the show on youtube

[sacred plume]

Watch 2 and 3 together, they complement to set up episode 4.

[west pike]

I appreciate it since I'm broke xD

[sacred plume]

Just dont expect a lot of action since the budget for CGI went to the second half

[west pike]

The covenant ships reveal was sick tho in 1

[sacred plume]

Just to put into perspectove I believe episode 6 or 7 is called thermopylae.

[echo estuary]

ok so we know that silver team at least survived past 2540

[sacred plume]

If you know your history, you know what will happen with that episode

[echo estuary]

i think there’s a decent chance silver team survived to at least the invasion of reach

[sacred plume]

A part of me wishes if Noble Team is anywhere in this timeline, 6 somehow manages to go the ring too, you know Id really like to see that in this tmeline.

[sacred plume]

One thing is that S2 seemd to have appealed to a lot of people too. Currently the third most watched show worldwide.

[west pike]

That would be sooooooo cool!

New timeline means they can actually do fan service like that some people (like me) forget there can be cool stuff like that with new tineline ideas

[verbal fox]

Wait, source? They released viewcount?

[sacred plume]

JustWatch keeps data on it, you can check on a country basis too.

[verbal fox]

Interesting. Disappointing, but an interesting data point nevertheless

[sacred plume]

It updates on a rather normal basis so for better refernce check it tomorrow

It may go to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.

[verbal fox]

It seems to be looking at it on a daily basis though.

Interactions instead of views, but I'll give it to you in lieu of view count.

[sacred plume]

So around 3rd to 4th before tomorrows episode.

It still wont be exact as you mentioned.

[verbal fox]

You'd think Bad Batch, having just released, would be higher

I am interested now on how and what data they use exactly, cause I can't pin it down.

[sacred plume]

A lot of people are liking S2 a lot, just generally for being on the upper schelon of Sci Fi productions on TV.

Even if it isnt what Halo fans specifically wanted. Like production value wise, its at the highest standard.

While Bad Batch is very niche

I like it, just not for most people it seems.

[gritty venture]

Wait there's an S2 of Halo TV series?

[verbal fox]

Hahaha I love those response. No offense to you at all, it makes me happy.

[gritty venture]

I gotta admit I didn't think anything positive of the first one. H2:A had better CGI and just... ehhh... To each their own.

[verbal fox]

Yes, there is, for better or worse.

[verbal fox]

I feel like that is what Halo should have been

[sacred plume]

A total of 15 minutes in cutscenes against 9 hours of content and different studio crews, which use actors, props and scenarios are different logistics

[sacred plume]

Eh, I disagree for mutliple points given the differences and the fact that bad batch did have a rather blatant filler in S2 but I can see a bit of what you mean.

Its on a spot where a lot isnt documented in specific so the writer has space to write events without interfering with canon.

[verbal fox]

I know, there are parts of Bad Batch I don't like, but it's made for a specific, target audience

[sacred plume]

Like for an ODST show, sure

That I think as a direct comparison would be nice

So like if S2 is handeled well Paramount might decide ro greenlit something like that on the Silver timeline.

[verbal fox]

But I want a canon story

Not more silver timeline

[sacred plume]

I mean tbh until 343 gets their stuff tpgether on the gaming side I think that'd be rather eh.

Like people are not seeing the possibilities, here tou can have 6 survive and become a main player if the showrunner decides to.

[verbal fox]

And Halo is not going to have more than one show line at this point, like Star Wars does. Halo struggled branching away from mainline games (as recent news suggests), I doubt there will be anything outside this TV show.

[sacred plume]

Like they can make Canon movies, which fit better the no speak format like John Wick. And shows can be else worlds like this.

[gritty venture]

There's plenty of stuff to pursue in Halo. Could get Nathan Fillion in for an ODST TV Series, could do a purely Covenant story, there's endless possibilities.

[verbal fox]

Market economics suggests otherwise.

[verbal fox]

It isn't a lack of stuff to pursue, it is a lack of willingness and resources

It isn't cheap, it's difficult to manage

They'll pump what they can out of this show, maybe for a 3rd Season, and then... nothing

[sacred plume]

Its also that for the general audience the freedom of being separate of the mainline is probably also why it has such a higj viewership.

Over where I live the sentiment is: Well I mean if I wanted to see what I read and played then Id just do that. And rather the spins seem ro entretain us here.

[verbal fox]

I haven't met a single person in reality that doesn't think the show is an utter travesity. and I talk to a lot of people

[sacred plume]

Because being 3rd globally and the main reason they have an international audience is pretty much why Paramount gave it priority. Yes, theres reports in case you eant them.

[gritty venture]

For me personally it broke Halo in a weird way, the TV series. Bro takes his helmet off and looks like The Punisher. Like, eh. You can follow a storyline of a game and make it good, different, but this was just poor form imo.

[sacred plume]

JK then Im sorry to tell you that going outside would be good, most of their marketing is international.

[verbal fox]

I've noticed the heavy international marketing

It feels like betrayal

[sacred plume]

Even nationally in the US alone it is the 3rd or 4th most watched today

[verbal fox]

On a Wednesday sure

I wish I saw the stats over the long weekend