halo-the-series-chat

[carmine trout]

Lol

[subtle garnet]

I want it to be good so bad. I won't watch season 1.

[little anvil]

Consider it it like how many variations of Batman and Spider-Man there are and you'll be fine.

Or like, the three versions of the Guardians of the Galaxy there are.

[unreal pebble]

It's a lot more than 3.

[unkempt stump]

You sure? Looks relatively the same

All the stuff looks contemporary

@tawdry kestrel Lol
You two are friends I assume and I think a giraffe being witty is neat

[carmine trout]

But of course, the mighty Fubert is friends with Captain

I call him captain

[full orchid]

Hello

[unkempt stump]

Hey, I can save you a lot from straw or blind judgment
reddit com r HaloTV comments utzs3p look_i_can_sympathize_the_halo_show_wasnt_the ?depth=4000

[unkempt stump]

Hewwo

[tawdry kestrel]

Lmao yeah

[carmine trout]

Wow

[unkempt stump]

r/Halo is that a way 😛

The Reddit server - different from this official one

[tawdry kestrel]

Lmao

[carmine trout]

Lol

[unkempt stump]

Yea, that comparison with the MCU was even made as the wikis cited
For one thing, allusions get made to could-have-beens, starting with the memory paralysis

And they say they care nothing

[unkempt stump]

white channel color
Nothing
Remember the banned curse words, fellow Spartans

y'all forget this ain't r/Halo the Discord server, but the literal dev server

[tawdry kestrel]

lol what i miss?

[empty niche]

Halo infinite on legendary mode is ez

[toxic warren]

#halo-discussion

[edgy gate]

Hi

[unkempt stump]

Yo
Need something?

[edgy gate]

No

[dark storm]

This really is the laziest criticism of the show. If you want to say the first season has some really bad writing I don't disagree but this whole canon argument is silly to me. Half the people who say "canon" haven't even read the books which is even more funny. The second season looks better and I'll wait to see it before I judge it because I like the Fall of Reach setting and the trailers look drastically improved so far.

[tawdry kestrel]

agreed, idk why people are so bent out of shape over a non-canon adaptation

[dark storm]

I'm fine with people bagging on the writing and I do think a lot of the show didn't feel like it was part of the universe. Like that's not unfair criticism but it looks like this is a much better product so why not just judge it on its own merits before dumping on it. It looks very different in tone

[tawdry kestrel]

i still feel bad for all the hate the cast and crew got on twitter, there just trying to do a job they are being payed for, it ant there fault

[dark storm]

Yeah that's just angry gamers not being responsible human beings. It's pretty toxic

[tawdry kestrel]

also mind you 343i had to APROVE of the plot before it aired, so if anything its the fault of 343i

[dark storm]

The second season might be bad, and if it is I'm fine with them cancelling the show but I at least want to give it a chance because what they've shown looks pretty cool.

[tawdry kestrel]

kids will be kids, they dont do there research but instead be lazy and hate

[tawdry kestrel]

they have stated for the moment, no season 3

[dark storm]

What I've found frustrating is the people complaining about the fact that it's not "canon" who haven't even read any of the books. That's hilariously hypothetical.

[tawdry kestrel]

uh

[dark storm]

Have they? I assumed it hasn't been green lit yet because most shows aren't until the previous season airs

[tawdry kestrel]

ive read many of the books, its not canon, mind you they even stated and shown, its a alternate universe/timeline

[tawdry kestrel]

no mention of a S3 has even been hinted so idk

[dark storm]

Yes my point is some of the stuff people are complaining about are references to things from the books.

[tawdry kestrel]

also reading the books docent make the halo universe canon anymore since 343i reckons all of them, the "game" universe is 343i only canon sadly

[dark storm]

I don't really agree with that. They acknowledge the books in thier canon generally.

[tawdry kestrel]

oh?

i havent seen it yet

maybe Bungie did

[dark storm]

Well given there's a bunch of books that have side stories related to the games...

[tawdry kestrel]

LOL ant my point stands

[dark storm]

I'm not sure what the debate even is right now.

I'm going to check out now because I feel like this conversation is going nowhere. Bye

[tawdry kestrel]

343i wont acknowledge the book canon in the games, only the books acknowledge the game canon

i see so you one of the crowd that gets offended of someones opinion, wow

sigh

cant have a good conversation anymore with people i sware people these day and age

[verbal fox]

I've cast blame on Kiki Wolfkill plentifully.
But she no longer works at 343i, having been promoted into a higher position within Microsoft, yet is still in charge of the show.

[verbal fox]

What? 343i has acknowledged the book canon all the time. Halo Infinite is littered with references to the books, and Halo 5 pulled Blue Team from the books and put them in game.

Example 1 from Halo Infinite: the dispensation code for the Weapon is based on the first Spartan II casualty and John's friend, Samuel-034.

[tawdry kestrel]

#halo-the-series-chat message

[verbal fox]

I have read the books and they are all better written than the show. The fact I can't find any of side characters I enjoy, like Blue Team, in this show because it isn't canon is an insult.

[tawdry kestrel]

its a insult to you, im fine with it lol

[dark storm]

Meh I think silver team is cool and the least of the shows issues.

[tawdry kestrel]

its a matter of opinion, just dont get offended lol

[verbal fox]

It was an unnecessary swap. They race swapped Keyes, why did they just completely delete Blue Team?

[dark storm]

When I'm talking about books I'm more talking about references to themes and ideas.

[verbal fox]

Furthermore, the whole emotional regulator thing is lazy and in direct contradiction to lore.

[dark storm]

Because people would probably get mad either way that the characters weren't exactly what they wanted.

[verbal fox]

The Dr Halsey I know was opposed to memory wipes and mind control because they wouldn't produce loyal soldiers

[dark storm]

Yeah sounds like a lot of that stuff is largely going to be moved past

[tawdry kestrel]

ah, ive been ignored sigh kids these days

[dark storm]

I'm looking at season 2 as season 1 honestly. I'll judge when I see it. I don't need things to be exactly like the games I just want something more genuinely halo feeling and with better writing

[verbal fox]

Wdym you haven't seen it?

[verbal fox]

My problem is Season 1 still exists.

[dark storm]

Yeah that's fair, but if season 2 is a basically reboot they're making the best of it

All I'm saying is that what they've shown looks a lot better

[verbal fox]

I don't trust that. They threw the word out there to spread rumors but in official interviews they make sure to say it isn't a reboot.

The Ackerson actor went full disclosure and said that they weren't keeping the helmet on, so I've already written it off.

[dark storm]

None of that really matters. If the season is good it's good, if not it's not. But Imo the trailers look genuinely pretty good

[verbal fox]

Not that the helmet was my biggest gripe, but it was the #1 biggest request from the community

[dark storm]

Yeah so I won't see eye to eye on that, to me that's a silly reason to write the entire show off.

In the books chief was put of his armour

[verbal fox]

Since they won't listen to that, why would they care about anything else?

[dark storm]

I. Just hope it's not in combat anymore when he could have avoided it

That's an extremely simplistic way of looking at it

[verbal fox]

After they screwed us over with Season 1, not really

[dark storm]

They clearly want to tell a story of two sides of the character

John and chief.

[verbal fox]

I didn't see either last time.

Just a whiny man child

[dark storm]

I don't think that's inherently bad and if you watch any other television it takes time for a show to find its rhythm and star having payoff

[verbal fox]

The Mandalorian and Judge Dredd prove you can hide an actor's face and still have two sides to a character.

[dark storm]

So again I'll judge season 2 when I see it.

[dark storm]

Yeah I don't disagree I love dredd but I just don't care about the helmet thing honestly if it's not being done in combat zones

I think they're building to chief being a character of necessity and trying to have a story of duality.

[verbal fox]

Unless they delete Season 1, it's a write off for me. It's existence makes me more angry than Bruce Banner turning into the Hulk.

[dark storm]

You've made that clear enough. Do my question is why waste your time talking about the show if you're written it off completely?

You're not even going to give the second season a try?

[verbal fox]

It's an outlet.

[verbal fox]

Probably not, not until it's all been released and judged by others first.

[dark storm]

Well I'd say maybe let people enjoy it if they enjoy it and maybe judge the second season on its own merits.

That's fair, I'll be in here probably with my thoughts on the first two episodes

[verbal fox]

I don't want Paramount earning any money from me.

[toxic warren]

All you've done recently is consistently drag on the show with nothing but negativity and barely anything constructive. At this point, we're going to tell you to stop. It's a drain on conversations and engagement here and frankly it's beyond tiring now.

[verbal fox]

And I will watch Angry Joe's recap, and see how angry he gets when Paramount goes after him with copyright strikes.

[dark storm]

I thought the first season had moments where it was decent and I think the biggest reason for that is the quality of the actors. They really had to contest with some awful writing though

Very disjointed and awkward at parts

[verbal fox]

I still don't know how that script was approved. In the past, Microsoft had been very stringent with those things.

[dark storm]

Everything they've shown so far from season 2, looks like it's shot a lot more like Halo Reach

[verbal fox]

It's part of the reason earlier movie attempts fell through

[dark storm]

I think covid probably played a role

They'd already invested this time and money, couldn't do rewrites and reshoots

[verbal fox]

Yeah, makes sense. Disappointingly

[dark storm]

This show runner seems waaaay better in interviews

He actually seems like he gets it that's just my gut instinct

[tawdry kestrel]

i like how he strate up ignores you lol

[verbal fox]

I haven't seen the Showrunner in interviews yet, only Kiki, Pablo, and the Ackerson actor.

Got a link?

[dark storm]

We're over here having a civil conversation

[dark storm]

One sec

https://youtu.be/d7qCB9m0pNc?si=S4Mdt-EyDCxz1dI5

[tawdry kestrel]

it wasent about that ,but him constently being negitive and hatful

[dark storm]

Starts around 430 it's short but I get a decent impression of him.

[tawdry kestrel]

its funny you dipped out of my conversation but your fine with a haters conversation, wierd how that works

[dark storm]

You're acting like a child

You keep trying to create an argument

[verbal fox]

Irony is lost on people these days, lol

[dark storm]

But yeah just the way he talks about how it's shot is very cool

[tawdry kestrel]

only child here i see is you, not once have i attacked you, and you call, me the child lol

[toxic warren]

Let's move on please, we don't need to continue this conversation

[tawdry kestrel]

ty

anyway 5 more days till the show comes out, quite excited to see the action scenes

[verbal fox]

Hmm... I'm not sure. Listening to the interview, I have mixed feelings.
David starts talking about war pretty quick, but then is on this tangent about feelings? Emotional connection? Idk

[dark storm]

Hey man, halo is all about emotional cutscenes and SciFi action lol

[verbal fox]

Let me think, I'm still processing it

[dark storm]

Halo reach is an emotional rude

Ride even

[verbal fox]

So the two parts that stand out to me is David talking about the Halo and the weight of responsibility, and then teasing the arc and talking about family.

The later just hurts because to me, John's family was Blue Team, and it hurts I don't get to see them.

As for Halo, it's symbolism, and the weight of responsibility?
I'm skeptical. Granted, it's a different timeline, but the Ring itself was never about "What does Halo mean to Master Chief," but rather an invocation of wonder, mystery, awe, and hidden danger.

[dark storm]

Fair enough

[subtle crystal]

sameeeeeeeeeeee
the part where the elites start lighting their energy swords, absolute chills

[dark storm]

Honestly the end of that second trailer where it shows the ring was pretty awe inspiring to me and also ominous

[tawdry kestrel]

im mostly looking forward to the space battles

[verbal fox]

By the time of CE, Chief wasn't feeling special or different, but a deep sadness having lost his family on Reach, yet he fought on.

[subtle crystal]

that as well, yepppp
although i'm more keen to see actual chief action

[dark storm]

Yeah but that's a game from a long time ago and honestly I think a tv show they have to have some character growth

I'm not saying they'll accomplish it necessarily but I appreciate what they're trying to do Ina way because I think it's more interesting

[verbal fox]

Season 1 failed to establish a "We are Losing the War" that the Fall of Reach Book built, and thus going into Season 2, what are they building on?

[subtle crystal]

as far as their intention goes, i'm gonna give them the benefit of doubt since these are new writers after all

[verbal fox]

A single season is a rush to try and go from nothing to losing.

[dark storm]

Honestly my biggest take away from halo 4 story wise was chiefs character growth though small felt pretty good to see him coming to terms with what he is a bit

[subtle crystal]

Why are you so negative about something we have no idea about yet?

[dark storm]

It doesn't really matter it's out in a week lol let's just wait and see

[verbal fox]

That was actual neutral skepticism.
It is possible they can achieve it with good writers and direction.

[subtle crystal]

I mean.. was it? I went through your comment and it seems like you already decided

[verbal fox]

Oh personally, yes. The episode descriptions have been out for a week or so, I am not hopeful based on those.

[subtle crystal]

I don't know how episode descriptions are a deciding factor but i'm not really into arguing over this, you do you ig

[tawdry kestrel]

i still cant rap my head around people upset over a "adeptation" thats not canon but i rest my case

[dark storm]

I think we can all agree if season 2 gives us the chief and Arbiter love story we've always wanted it'll be a success

[verbal fox]

It gives you a rough idea what they are going to focus on. They are definitely running straight into the war part finally, but it seems the some distractions are unnecessarily present. Could be wrong. I was hopeful for Season 1 and was proven very wrong for having hope then

[manic yacht]

I know but like if you call yourself after x character behave like x character would and not like someone in a romance story for teens

[verbal fox]

Lol

[tawdry kestrel]

im confused? what do you mean

[subtle crystal]

well, you can't really expect it to be all action, right? there has to be some character development, dialogues, drama

[verbal fox]

Kwan. Kwan is the distraction

[tawdry kestrel]

like, thats how tv shows work

[manic yacht]

I mean that if you call yourself master chief, behave like canon master chief and not like buck

[subtle crystal]

oh yeah, Kwan sucked
that's probably the one thing i'll hard hate in S1

[dark storm]

First episode is apparently like 60% action which isn't that suprizing

[subtle crystal]

yep, pretty much

[dark storm]

Ep 4 apparently is a one shot episode which sounds awesome honestly

[tawdry kestrel]

uh, still dont get what your trying to say, do you mean that since hes calling himself master cheif, but he dosent act like him? if so then my comment still applies

[verbal fox]

If Kwan wasn't in the episode descriptions, I would have been more hopeful

[manic yacht]

👌

[dark storm]

Yeah I suspect she'll play a much smaller role

She wasn't actually a bad actor her role just sucked. Hopefully she'll get some better writing this time

[verbal fox]

Any role I think is a distraction. The fact she had a whole Episode to herself last season....

I get character development is needed, but Kwan was basically in a third alternate Universe. They've could have easily done a Marine character or something with more relation to the War with the Covenant.

[dark storm]

Yeah the biggest issue was the innie stuff didn't feel appropriate to halo

It felt like a completely different show lol

[verbal fox]

I will give them props for now having a Marine character in Season 2, Perez, but only goes more into how bad Season 1 was.

[dark storm]

The fact that the first episode opened with that corny Scottish guy yelling about Spartans like lol

[tawdry kestrel]

kinda wish we got a SGT. Johnson in the show, but they never made one

[solar vector]

Hello

[verbal fox]

The Insurrection plot does not work as a main focus during the HCW. It needs to be a sub focus to highlight the War or not present at all.

[solar vector]

Hey

[verbal fox]

Hi

[subtle crystal]

Wait, isnt John supposed to be kinda dead rn?

[dark storm]

Yeah it's kind of a shame they didn't execute on the innie stuff because now that we're at the fall of Reach there's no more time to really focus on that

[tawdry kestrel]

no, they never made his character for the show

oh

[verbal fox]

Haha

[dark storm]

I'm not sure if anyone saw the expanse but it's excellent and it reminds me a lot of the Halo universe

[tawdry kestrel]

master cheif you mean, nvm my b

[subtle crystal]

yeah I meant Chief lol

[verbal fox]

No you were still right lol

[dark storm]

The belter stuff is kind of what I wanted from the innies

[subtle crystal]

because in the last episode Cortana took over him, I think? I couldnt really figure what they went with

[verbal fox]

Look if the UNSC NOVA Bombs Sangheilios in the show I will forgive it

[dark storm]

Yeah they're probably particularly ret conning that

It sounds like the idea is she took over the suit fir a short time

Then they're separated

[tawdry kestrel]

currect, he was 100% taken over, wonder how ep 1 will fill us in on that

[verbal fox]

They'll just touch another magic mcguffin

[subtle crystal]

I'd love if they'll just change it to that she just took over his body temporarily

[dark storm]

Now he's feeling the aloneness. Which tbh sounds interesting but idk if it'll feel earned with the first season being so bad.

They've said it waa her taking over the armour

[verbal fox]

What kinda bothers me about Cortana and Chief in general is that in canon, they only know each other for a couple of months before John goes to sleep

[subtle crystal]

nah i'd love that, traumatized John adjusting to how he can lose control over his body at any given moment and with time he'll learn to fully trust Cortana as a partner

and that's when you'd get the "Chief kicking bottom cause they're in perfect sync" scene

[dark storm]

Yeah but they're with each other all the time and they know each others thoughts and emotions so it'd be like a close friendship on steroids

Imagine if they were like bad room mates though

I mean I guess they were in the first season I just choose to forget that

[verbal fox]

I know, I know. I have explained it to myself before in depth. I think I just wish to see more Blue Team-Chief interaction since they've known each other longer.

[dark storm]

Yeah

That's honestly the biggest sin of halo 5

We finally see blue team buttt

[verbal fox]

Not enough of Blue Team

[dark storm]

Man the level of limits on words in here is rough

All censored lol

[verbal fox]

Yeah, ironic considering what kind of scenes the show has.

[dark storm]

Yeah I think blue team has its moments and they're 100% the best part of the game but it's also not as well executed as I wanted

[verbal fox]

The TV show script would have been censored by the bot.

[dark storm]

I wanted the reunion to feel weighty

And I think this is more a SAG actor thing but the voice actors they chose were boring

[verbal fox]

See, I just want more canon, more Blue Team, yet...
This is what we were given?

[dark storm]

At least Fred was boring voiced

[dark storm]

Who knows maybe next game but I don't disagree

We finally saw them and it was in the game with the worst story lol

[verbal fox]

Like I still don't think 343i realizes they squandered by making an alt universe show so very different from Canon. People love the canon stories and want more.

[dark storm]

That's the one thing I'll say about the show is we didn't get blue team but honestly I really like Kai

I hope we get blue team in a halo infinite sequel in 6 years haha

[verbal fox]

And that also hurts. Halo canon is being so slowly developed right now, with none of the key characters I want to see being talked about anymore. Blue Team, Hood, Lasky, Osman, Kilo 5, etc. They are all in stasis, untouched.

This TV show has none of them, so I care little for it.

Yeah, that's a possible what if

But, there is no way to know for certain. I do know Microsoft has always been protective of the canon, which is part of the reason earlier films fell through.

The animated Halo Fall of Reach had issues and things missed, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

It was faithful

[full orchid]

1 to 10 how good does everyone think the halo show was

[full orchid]

I agree and what is silver team it should be blue team

[little anvil]

Alternative unit.
Spartan teams arent calcified, operatives are moved around as needed. Presumably in the Silver Timeline Blue is off doing more important things and Chief was rotated in to fill a gap opened by a casualty in Silver.

I wouldnt be surprised if Fred is leading an entirely seperate unit, Lindas doing lone wolf things and Kelly was assigned as scout and recon ops with a unit of faster Spartans or is also working solo.

[toxic warren]

10/10 - I really enjoyed it. Throwback references, good casting, seeing Halo vehicles and weapons in live action, Forerunner tech, Scottish actors <3

[dark storm]

Uhh 5?i think it's a complete mess with some compelling moments, good actors and most of the action set pieces look really cool aside from some of less polished and more CGI stuff

The writing was the biggest issue to me and the pacing

[iron flame]

Good in concept but really crappy execution and poor story.

[dark storm]

Yeah it's got these moments where it almost hits but the writing really let's it down

Fingers crossed with the new season if nothing else it looks better

[iron flame]

No like I mean the show just butchers the lore of Halo with a lot of inaccuracies to the games. An example of this would be that the master chief almost never removes his helmet, and a bit more of a sensitive one I'm not going into much detail, they got Captain Keyes incorrect; you already know what I mean by this and I'm not going into detail. Doesn't make me racist or anything but if you're going to portray a character, do it right.

[subtle crystal]

oh god finally someone else who recognize the great casting!

literally not a single role miscasted and Kwan I guess

[dark storm]

Yeah those are details I just don't think are that important overall. I think some halo fans have a very narrow conception of what halo is and they think halo is just the games. I also don't see how keyes being blackmatters he's a good actor regardless. Just my 2 cents

[toxic warren]

I first saw Pablo in Orange is the new black, thought he played the guard so well

[dark storm]

I saw people's criticisms that were pretty funny sometimes given I've been reading the books since I was 13 and many concepts in the show are derived from the concepts in the books with a twist.

[subtle crystal]

Pablo got so much un-needed flak, he did the best he could with what he was given

[dark storm]

I also commented on the quality of the casting multiple times

That's the least of the issue the show has

At least the first season

[verbal fox]

Reth, in the book Cole Protocol, was a Jackal Rebel on the Rubble... but then the show made him Human? Why?

[verbal fox]

I don't care for the race swapping, but Miranda was fundamentally changed into a scientists, rather than a Naval Officer. Jacob Keyes became a Spec Ops Officer rather than a ship captain (so, no Keyes Loop).
But if they were willing to change those characters that much, but then also just erase Blue Team, why not have all original characters? How do you draw the line between who gets fundamentally changed from their canon counterpart, and who is just erased?

Like Jacob Keyes, from canon, doesn't exist in this show, and in this show Jacob Keyes is an amalgomation of Keyes and Sergeant Johnson.

I for one think had they cut Kwan and used all that freed up screen time for Sergeant Johnson, the first Season would have been significantly better

[unkempt stump]

Much I missed because of good-old timezones, haha

[verbal fox]

Timezones be like that

[sullen gale]

It’s insane how much lore they baked into one season on this thing while making it a completely alternative universe.

Good example of writers viewing this through an episodic tv format and not thru a book, graphic novel, gameplay or game minute-long cutscene lens.

Sometimes you have to paint based on the canvas available and for that, i understand why it’s AU.

[tawdry kestrel]

I've returned from my exile

[dark storm]

So weird I know lmao

One of the worst scenes in the entire thing

For Miranda just to be honest I think what they did with her was really smart and made her an infinitely more interesting character to me

[tawdry kestrel]

wb, you missed a lot lol

[dark storm]

Actually having a relationship with Halsey those scenes were probably some of the most genuine in the entire series Imo

[tawdry kestrel]

Yeah I saw that guy just going ham on how bad the show is

ya i think its funny

Bro really wanted it to be cannon and wanted blue team

I personally like silver team

i mean i get this, but it would have been bad if it where canon

[dark storm]

I like them too overall though I think vanak and Riz need more development

[tawdry kestrel]

like, have you seen the years of gmae adeptaions that kept the original stroy? they ALL flopped

[dark storm]

Sounds like they'll get that this season

Kai was awesome though.

[tawdry kestrel]

Well they already ruined the cannon when they made chief not know he was kidnapped

ye

So there's really no point you can have stuff from the lore in the show but the show itself isn't gonna be cannon it's a alternate timeline

[unkempt stump]

"Finally, a parenting issue we can agree upon."

[unkempt stump]

Neat all of them, but I too wanted the Blues to share household reputation as Johnny Halo @dark storm

[unkempt stump]

Plus, those two were meant to be the Spartan-like foils to the human wannabes that are Jimmy Rings and Not! Kelly 😛

[sullen gale]

If they went lore, everyone would have been angrier. My personal opinion. Separating to an AU version was our only path forward

I’m so sorry for that opinion and recognize the punishment I’m about to receive.

[unkempt stump]

I just asked for Blue Team, not going the FUD/Nightfall/Fallout show route of canonicity
Lmao

Let's not warp things

[sullen gale]

Blue Team will probs come eventually after silver team gets wiped out in emotional reach escape sequences

[unkempt stump]

Think it's a bit too far
These three interesting guys get buried under six feet of glass and suddenly, these new guys we're supposed to remember?
"We" as in the unfamiliar
I mean, Halo 5 was hardly the finest impression of the Blues, coupled with still being Xbox-only

I prefer their being presumed dead like in canon TFoR - the impression that they're all gone

So there will be ontological space for both teams

[unkempt stump]

And you've prob seen the ep titles already
Reach falls mid-season and we're dealing wtih GoO Remastered, and with the...Silver lining still there

[idle pawn]

Anyone heard the news that Bear McCreary is going to be the composer for S2?

[unkempt stump]

I haven't

Couldn't find news on it
IMDb?

[idle pawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/filmmusicrep/status/1753540427591135580?t=UXvsvstiXZAoqy60Uxdgyg&s=19

[tawdry kestrel]

Is he a good composer

[idle pawn]

He was the composer for the recent God of War games

[tawdry kestrel]

Haven't played them yet

[idle pawn]

Also apparently there's a new rendition of the Halo theme, that was released by Paramount Plus on YouTube that's recaping Season 1 featuring Kai (of which sadly I can't watch due to it being region locked for me)

[dark storm]

Man I really hope season 2 is good

And if it is hope that people who want it to be canon can at least appreciate it for what it is.

Even if they don't love it

[unkempt stump]

Is it the Inside Season 2 one?

You can access by way of American-based VPN

[idle pawn]

Idk but it definitely isn't part of S1

https://twitter.com/spartanjen745/status/1753872179651858642?t=yEcX8jRjDhnZq2dnXSRBbQ&s=19

[unkempt stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgUc1YGghs&list=PLKfpV2bmlzOB2447RqsM_4W5QRElpchBn&index=1&pp=iAQB

[unkempt stump]

Speaking of soundtrack
Any way to experience the S1 soundtrack alone?

[chrome hemlock]

i hope master chief doesnt show his face alot in season 2

(like it shouldve been in season 1

[unkempt stump]

Kai certainly ain't as Collider reported

[chrome hemlock]

Why?

[unkempt stump]

If it matters, Bathurst, one of the EPs, told Washington Post he should've delayed the reveal by another episode or two

[unkempt stump]

I meant she'd be spending most screentime with helmet on

[chrome hemlock]

oh

But still, the helmet thing was an integral part of the games

Maybe they thought the audience wouldn't get attached to him if they didn't see his face

[unkempt stump]

I have a follow-up to that, because acting with your helmet on is literally acting with a mask on your head. Is it more liberating or limiting for you guys to act having a helmet/mask on?
KENNEDY: Yeah, it's liberating. It’s very different. You have to rely on absolutely everything else, and it's a real technical sport because what you think you look like, what you think the helmet is saying, you need to keep checking and seeing which angles and vibes– but I often do find it quite liberating because you can really lose yourself.

Especially, the majority of my scenes this year are helmeted, and it's full battle, so it increases the stakes within you and how you move anyway. But it is like puppetry, it's a totally different skill.
https://collider.com/halo-season-2-pablo-schreiber/

[chrome hemlock]

Or called a copy of the mandalorian

[unkempt stump]

More plausibly, Bathurst being with us aside, they're giving him the EU treatment of being another Spartan normally out of armor outside of guard/combat duty as a soldier would be

[tawdry kestrel]

The only reason it's a integral part of the games is to give you the emersion of being master chief

Notice how basically every time you either end a game or start a game chief always has is helmet off or is taking it off

[steady bough]

Yeah, his face in-universe isn’t a secret, it is to the players, but not to anyone else.

[subtle crystal]

Me, who just like how they look outside of the suits because they're beautiful:👀

[lean thicket]

Hey guys, I hate when Master Chief takes off his helmet (and is damn suit)

[subtle crystal]

Hey hate when Master Chief takes off his helmet (and is damn suit), I'm dad

[lean thicket]

Halo

[dreamy stirrup]

[tawdry kestrel]

Aww poor wittle baby

[toxic warren]

Going though the Declassified episodes again, I forgot that Charlie learned to speak Sangheili and they had David Peter involved - the guy that developed Dothraki for Game of Thrones. His history is impressive :o

[unkempt stump]

Halo halo

All other new show Season 2 info from Collider, CCXP (Comic Con but Brazil), Kotaku, and CBR including the new composer
reddit com r HaloStory comments 1aiqpdr all_other_new_show_season_2_info_from_collider
Y'all, scrutinize to your ability's best, I've simplified from them all

[toxic warren]

You can post the link here

[unkempt stump]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/1aiqpdr/all_other_new_show_season_2_info_from_collider/

Oh
Allowed for this specific moment?
Thanks

Halopedia:

No, it's even got two versions of the same thing
https://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili_(language)
https://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili_(language)/Silver

[verbal fox]

I mean he literally goes into a meeting with the UNSC Security Council and doesn't take his helmet off, lol

[steady bough]

In which episode/series?

[verbal fox]

Halo Escalation

[subtle crystal]

@dry brook since you asked - yep, that's what happened in the show and I have no idea how me not being into actors being super stoic and robotic-like means I liked that scene as well

to be honest I don't like in in particular nor I dislike it

I just... don't feel anything towards it

dunno why a bunch of people decided to do such a big deal out of it

[tawdry kestrel]

I don't like the halo tv series

[subtle crystal]

Thanks for sharing that with us

[stark mango]

i think some writers wanted to make a fanfic master chief, it seemed quite out of place to make it romantic, but what can ya do

what was their shared connection anyways i can't recall any

[subtle crystal]

I mean making it romantic is a bit out of place, but I can see what they tried to do

[stark mango]

ah yea that thing

[subtle crystal]

I'll always be a sucker for "humanity's hubris shall always be its downfall" stuff

ah, could be as well

or maybe its just that he was the first human that was nice to her since that kid

I mean
we both know why some people rejected that scene but i'm not gonna expand on that here lmao

[stark mango]

in either scenario i feel bad for her lol she was a spy or a prisoner maybe with ptsd and no human contact and the first person she really met in years was chief i wish they did it better it's a cool premise if you ignore the covenant accepting a human

[subtle crystal]

you can get what I am saying without me saying it, I think

[subtle crystal]

It's also pretty smart and make sense for the cove to accept a human

learn your enemies and stuff

[stark mango]

yea but genocide lol the prophets weren't being smart they're protecting their power

yea i mean she wasn't killed on sight she def wasnt accepted but kept alive for some vague purpose i cant recall

[subtle crystal]

she was "accepted" for the purpose of using her

[stark mango]

what was her purpose anyway seems pointless

ah yeah they needed a human makes sense

covenant definitely shouldve kept way more human prisoners for that

im sure some folks wouldnt mind if they got imaginary power

eh once we reach this territory it can be written and justified any way

like for example remember the Riddick series, there's a species of human from 1 planet who where the enemy of the evil guys but also unique enough to be valuable if turned. could be written a similar scenario for the covies. they're huge and resourceful enough to manage such "theoretically written" wise

[verbal fox]

Defeats the whole basis of the Covenant's Genocidal war in the first place...

[stark mango]

yea i prefer the covenant being staunchly anti human too but i could see some sneaky prophet using humans for their own gain in forerunner artifacts

[verbal fox]

Humanity are the Reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy. This knowledge would shatter the Covenant belief system and thus the High Prophets would lose all their power.
So, they must be exterminated to save the Covenant.

Then they not only keep one, but grant her command and control over covenant military assets. Why then even bother exterminating Humanity if they are not the affront to the Gods you worship, as previously claimed?

They literally helped her attack a UNSC Corvette

With a strategy she made

[stark mango]

i thought she was more like well treated pet but my memory isnt the best i cant be trusted

[verbal fox]

With a custom energy blade in her finger nail?

[stark mango]

ahah i forgot about that finger nail blade

[verbal fox]

They literally trusted her so much they dumped her off with the enemy IOT secure the other artifact

[verbal fox]

And she did secure said artifact...

Wait wait wait, are you saying THAT scene, the Warcrime scene?

The scene that the Halo Discord Censor bot would have deleted if it read the script?

[dry brook]

They could’ve easily put the humans as the leaders of the covenant, it’s just the prophets wanted power and saw them as a threat to that.

[verbal fox]

POWs can't give consent

[dry brook]

Man I miss when humans were actually treated as reborn forerunners instead of being enemies in the 343 lore

[stark mango]

maybe there's an alternate reality where humans rule the covenant

[dry brook]

Stoic is a spartan trait, is it not?

[stark mango]

i did enjoy spartans being so stoic and so different they had trouble relating to normal people or socializing at all

like their only purpose is pew

[subtle crystal]

again, maybe for a video game character
not for an actor of a tv show

[verbal fox]

Uh... huh... I legit don't have a retort to that.

[dry brook]

You can easily adapt that to a different medium though like what

[verbal fox]

I'm speechless

[stark mango]

ew i disagree that would be awesome

[dry brook]

You can make stoic, mostly silent type characters it just depends on the direction you want to go with it

[subtle crystal]

easily how?

[verbal fox]

Judge Dredd

[subtle crystal]

Judge Dredd wasn't acted like he's reading from a Teleprompter

[stark mango]

yea the stoic thing works great if paired with more normal person they bounce around

[dry brook]

Look at the judge dredd movie, the one with Karl urban, he never takes his helmet off and his focus is always the mission, never letting personal feelings get in the way of that. It was a good movie cause it accurately depicted dredd

[subtle crystal]

tbf his helmet barely covers his eyes

[dry brook]

Bro he spoke in a very monotone voice

[subtle crystal]

agree to disagree

[dry brook]

He acted almost robotic, but he was still badass

[stark mango]

some characters should be stoic imo doesn't mean every character is lol

[subtle crystal]

idk what was badass about it, but ok

[stark mango]

yea mayb

[stark mango]

huh? have you seen that Dredd movie it's awesome

[subtle crystal]

oh wait, Pale was still talking about Dredd?

yeah, that one was awesome

but he wasn't that stoic to me tbh

[stark mango]

what do u mean

[subtle crystal]

kinda hard to explain for me, but i'll try

[stark mango]

chief in infinite was nicely done i think thats a solid stoicism there he had emotions but dealt with them in that way

it's an interesting philosophy i dont think i can do it though

[subtle crystal]

The difference for me between how Dredd was acted and Vannak is acted is mainly on where on the line it crosses the point of "being stoic for the sake of looking badass" and "being too stoic to where it looks like he's an actual robot"

(which ironically should fit for Vannak since i'm aware he's supposed to be emotionally repressed)

It just looks too lifeless for me, idk

maybe it's the contrast between him and Kai

[stark mango]

i dont get the anti "robot" take, some characters can be robot like and it's still great and adds to the overall production. Like not everyone has to be an expressive thing of a complicated humanity. Spartans fit that mold very well and are very similar to older stuff like robocop and dredd, just these relentless powerful things on a mission with not much capacity for the usual stuff we normal people deal with. the usual tales of emotional humans can be told via other characters in the same media and the interaction therein

i hope there are some great scenes of spartans in battle in s2 just doing their purpose

[subtle crystal]

Because it's boring to me personally, I'm not objectively attacking it or something

[stark mango]

💀

[subtle crystal]

Lol yep I know, people having their own opinions and taste is so weird ammirite?

[tawdry kestrel]

Boys 4 more days

[dry brook]

That’s just his character in general until the books made it otherwise.

[mild parcel]

Eh removed my stuff cause it didn’t have anything to do with the Halo series

[unkempt stump]

@stark mango well, speaking of stoic
The Collider interviews said Kai would be leaning a lot more that way

[stark mango]

Is there gonna be a Marcus Aurelius AI

[unkempt stump]

#halo-the-series-chat message
Hah
Joke aside

Here it is:

[late ivy]

watch red vs blue; the halo tv series isn't it

[little anvil]

You cant watch that on Youtube anymore either, RT yanked it down.

[late ivy]

they have it on the rt website i think

[agile glen]

youtube movies and tv hosts it for free

(with ads)

[agile glen]

dang

i was talking about rvb lol

unless that is rvb i havent checked

[low orchid]

Wait how

[unkempt stump]

A comprehensive transcription of Halo S1

[unkempt stump]

made it during release day - planning on S2 as they release!

[agile glen]

oh wow lol

[dreamy stirrup]

NEW SEASON DROPS THIS WEEK

https://tenor.com/view/freak-out-muppets-freaking-kermit-gif-12081791

[unkempt stump]

Double Kill too this time

[dreamy stirrup]

Episodes one and two release together, yaya?

[iron vine]

I'm looking for the Halo Series Season 1 in Limited Edition but not in 4K UHD, can anyone help me where I can buy it or is the limited edition only available with 4K UHD?

[idle pawn]

Reviews for the first 4 episodes of season 2 are out now.

Most seem to agree it's way better than Season 1.

[subtle crystal]

They are???

[dreamy stirrup]

Idk I’m asking 😂

[subtle crystal]

[hidden jacinth]

A

[wheat current]

3 days

https://tenor.com/view/seal-dance-seal-dance-animal-animal-dance-gif-16050057957365006732

[dreamy stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/soriamoriaa-gif-2568062750152517718

[unkempt stump]

S

[unkempt stump]

Any interest in the advance reviews?

[unkempt stump]

Ditto for ya

[wheat current]

Nah I want to watch it for myself before reading reviews

[unkempt stump]

Take Reddish's summary for it as a morale-booster

[tawdry kestrel]

it will be disappointing

[verbal fox]

Went through the reviews available on RT. It is as I suspected. Moments that are good for youtube clips remixed with Halo music, and that's about all worthwhile.

[stark mango]

i hope chief has a romantic connection with a prophet this season. This will be beautiful because the Prophet will have to struggle with his love of Master Chief and loyalty to the Covenant...will he abandon it all for love?

[hybrid osprey]

Lol! 🤣 What in the hell!

Also I realised Halo season 2 is on my birthday! So that's a nice birthday gift!

Thank you! 🌹💜

[subtle crystal]

I wish

[native otter]

has anyone posted the new declassified on YT yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tkJxprk-is&list=PLKfpV2bmlzOCKoHrmZ3A4ZEgs4nV2CAXd&index=1

[unkempt stump]

Excuse me, what? That ain't what I read and remembered
Of the advance S2 reviews anyway, only one's this low

[unkempt stump]

Yea, even made a whole transcript for ease
docs google com document d 1PDkkLWV8-GRzRUhkb8e2GFnG0QJnZ_q1RDB5ckpWRSo/edit#heading=h.wn25rcc8spfb

[verbal fox]

Ignoring the one that tried to revere god like praise unto the show, yes there was one that boldly stated it was horrific failure and praying for a mercy killing, another that only held praise for the action sequences and criticism of the rest, and a third that acknowledged an improvement in the action but positively acknowledged the hyperfocus on dialogue still, before criticising the supporting cast.
All of them dunked on the supporting cast, especially still Kwan and Soren, as distractions to the main course in one way or another.

[unkempt stump]

I cited more than three by the hy

[verbal fox]

I shall again insist the spoiler channel should be opened

[unkempt stump]

reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/1ajksn8/so_it_turns_out_the_first_few_season_2_advance

[unkempt stump]

Time will be on our side

[verbal fox]

My favorite review is by Evan Dossey of the Midwest Film Journal.

Although I cannot share his optimism, he is relatable and trustworthy in his opinions.

[unkempt stump]

I'm sorry, no

• Claimed it "eschewed" the canon as if in its entirety
• Consistently threw up hands at post-Reach content
• "Gone are the overt depictions of the UNSC high command as-" Lol, this paragraph part is just "Not our space UN, couldn't be precious space UN...scrutinized, not always fighting dem alienz (before reverting to the real enemy)!"
  (My point being it was a lot more overt and daring take on them than most major Halo media)
• Also says the Spartans melding with people is uninteresting, saying the apocalyptic tension is dulled (ignoring how war dramas usually give a connection first before then)

It’s the same issue that has plagued the Halo franchise since 343 Industries took over more than a decade ago: This isn’t a fictional world built off character. Master Chief is a faceless self-insert for young boys to ride around in, shooting up aliens that look suspiciously like monsters from their favorite movies with weapons they wished they could own as toys (and now can, thanks to Nerf). The characters around him are equally stereotypical, from Sgt. Johnson (a direct ripoff of Aliens’ Apone and not featured in the show) to the stoic, pipe-smoking Keyes (in the show and played quite well by Danny Sapani). The Halo series was born a stew of everything teenage boys wanted to see on screen but never could. Anything else is fluff.

I can't believe you (probably) agree with this
One more thing:

Ranking Reach on the same level of TFoR in terms of being a series storytelling pinnacle
Oh, to be 15 again, ladies and gent-Spartans

Do you remember Bungo?

I loved NOBLE's incompetence as S-IIIs unlike their novel peers

• Good facetime taking helmets off and sitting idle in a city w/ Cov ships right above, getting their SIC whacked. Lady didn't even yet check her shields before rushing out that elevator
• Burning three days' time for civvies' sake despite that base demolition op. Asset denial usually ain't that dragged and they mentioned other Spartans guarding civvies and we got hundreds of Cat 2s, just leave it to 'em, lol
• Emile missing that Visegrad Field Marshal and it leading to severe consequences, which involves he himself missing a Phantom/not sensing that Zealot stab, sealing his and Six's fates.

But most of all! I loved the UNSC missing so much in 16 days and not just Super-MAC-shanking that 30-klick-long supercarrier (there were 20 there, UN bros) AND opting to throw away for that corvette an S-II over enough Marines - imagine Halo Wars killing off a Red Team Spartan in Sgt. Forge's place for wiping out the shield world. Also, their apparent forgetting Op. Red Flag (which partly needed a Cov ship), but this is less blatant and that big bulb was a threat.
But hey! Who cares about total consistency, forget ODST which did a 1-2-day campaign decently?

Praise Bungie!!! /s

[verbal fox]

Hey, for one, I hate Bungie's treatment of TFoR book extremely, and I have expressed such on multiple occasions.

As for the treatment of the UNSC, if I want an in depth critic of fascism in Sci Fi, I will go watch Starship Troopers. People didn't want another Sci Fi lambasting of modern day political discourse. Screw ideas of a so called "brave" take, it's fictional, there is nothing brave, just stupid boredom.

90% of reviewers couldn't even tell you the difference between the 343 and Bungie era of Halo, to them its all the same. Even if they could, they wouldn't mention it in their review.

But the critic is still right that the fictional world is not built off the character. The world was built for the character to smash through, violently, on a quest to save Humanity and win a war. People like "armored soldier shoot alien." All the character development in Halo has been to support that. Human shoot alien. Green man shoot alien. To the point it is so machine like, it allowed the exploration of that fact as seen in Halo 4.
But the show barely gives you green man shooting alien before people are talking about anything but aliens. Instead, they shoot other Humans and talk politicals as if aliens aren't on a genodical campaign! I total can't find hundreds of other shows and movies haven't shown me Humans killing Humans over political differences, and I certainly can't find other movies and films where Humans ignore the alien threat in much more believable ways.

[tawdry kestrel]

I ain't reading allat!!!

[verbal fox]

But hey! That critic acknowledges Season 2 doesn't ignore the aliens, allegedly.

[tawdry kestrel]

Good we need more covenant

[unkempt stump]

Just went back from housekeeping
I'll just say that everything about the UNSC-panning

• Has only incidental linkage to contemporary pol
• Occurred in the EU, so it's on y'all to like it or not (and you don't of course)
• Is obviously going out the window this season

Also, some little neat user commentary mixing two comments (one of which is mine) about the non-HCW elements (not just space UN):

The Insurrection was canon and a central focus of the lore since before the first game
The entire 3/4s of The Fall of Reach is about the Spartan program and the Insurrection
The entire reason the Spartans were created, the entire reason the UNSC was as heavily mobilized as it was, and the entire reason the Covenant got as far as they did was the Insurrection; tons of colonies were leaked to the Covenant by the Insurrection themselves because they hated the UEG that much, the show didn't invent this dynamic
Even in Halo Reach, the Insurrection is a looming threat to the UEG's stability and ability to fight the Covenant

It's a central theme of the Halo universe that humanity keeps infighting and turning against itself over and over even in the face of genocidal alien madmen.
First Strike's Charles VanKeerk letter adjunct even gave kinda rationalization to that.

[unkempt stump]

tons of colonies were leaked to the Covenant by the Insurrection themselves because they hated the UEG that much
the entire reason the Covenant got as far as they did
Umm
Yeah, cross this out mentally, maybe the other guy misremembered or knows something we don't

[dry brook]

Bungie thought everything outside the game wasn’t as important to what they wanted to tell.

As far as they were concerned, everything else is extra and their halo games were primary. It’s the same way with how the death with the master chief being the only spartan left, he was suppose to be a beacon of hope.

[little anvil]

They didnt want Fall of Reach written.
I do believe they were most sour at how well it was received.

[dark storm]

Most of what I've seen for reviews so far are largely positive, fingers crossed.

[unkempt stump]

At the same time, the Story Bible (by way of the Sybex Guide) merely said it was feared he was the last Spartan

[astral quest]

i never get how people are so defensive about this

"he can't be the last spartan because of the books"

my brother in christ im not knocking the books but can you understand why bungie didnt want to let them dictate the games

[unkempt stump]

The funny here is this ain't even from an ordinary book, it's the plot doc
Page 2 of the Sybex guide btw

HALO STORY BIBLE: MASTER CHIEF
...
Before the plan could be implemented, the Covenant arrived at Reach-the last major human naval base, and the training area for the SPARTANs-and obliterated the planet. Of the SPARTANs present, it is believed that only the Master Chief survived, fleeing the system aboard the cruiser Pillar of Autumn.

[astral quest]

and then the back of the halo 3 box art also says last spartan or something

[unkempt stump]

The Believe marketing as well

And then the early Encyclopedia states the MC is still missing for decades

[astral quest]

tbf bungie probably believed that at the time, then 343 took over and had their new direction

i should say I love halo 4 of course

[unkempt stump]

The 2011 update, I don't think anything was changed

[dry brook]

Probably because they wanted to tell their own stories without having to rely on outside material, like I said I felt like they were obligated to follow it to some degree as in Halo CE, they made Keyes aside a throwaway line to Reach, while in Halo 3 the intro takes place immediately after the events of some book I can’t remember.

[dry brook]

Right, while it’s cool that all these other Spartans exist, people that only played the game were probably confused by seeing other Spartans IIs with Chief in Halo 5.

[unkempt stump]

Uprising

[unkempt stump]

Doesn't help the only in-between side games were unrelated top-downers

[unreal pebble]

There's a difference between understanding and agreeing. I think they were not very bright for having that mindset.

Which is an extremely sanitized version of what I consider their opinion to be. Not sure everyone would care about a long diatribe.

Anywho

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/halo-season-2-review/

[tawdry kestrel]

So what he's saying is he liked the halo show better when it wasn't halo and just a show

[unreal pebble]

He's saying, from the perspective of someone who never really played the Halo games, he likes the show for the story, and disliked the colder and combat-oriented look at 2.

Which, I mean, sure, whatever. I imagine it's easier to like the story when you aren't constantly comparing it to what you know.

That actually checks out with most non-Halo fans I know who watched the show.

[tawdry kestrel]

Well we'll see how it is in two days

[dry brook]

You mean assault and strike?

[steady bough]

I mean, I’d say that’s more because 343 just… didn’t actually explain their existence in-game, more than the books fault, lol.

Like, as an example, for a time, the only MCU movies were Iron Man, the first Iron Man was basically a standalone.

So how did you get to the Avengers?

They built up to it.

343 instead pulled a Batman Versus Superman and threw everyone into the pot at once and offered no explanations as to how they returned.

[verbal fox]

The Fall of Reach's Insurrection focus is almost completely dropped after they capture Robert Watts and shifts center stage to the ongoing war against the Covenant. It existed solely to explain the existence of the Spartan Program, and nothing else.
As for Insurrectionists leaking UNSC locations, there were less then a dozen Colonies "leaked" as even the Insurrection came to understand the threat. There is a faction leader in HW2 that quit the Insurrection to join the UNSC in the fight against the Covenant.
Every appearance of the Insurrection in the books that occurs during the HCW is used to solely build up a Spartan character, be it the Master Chief or Kurt.

[flint lava]

They have the best ad for the show at airports rn
https://imgur.com/a/fDLwypV

[dry brook]

Exactly not to mention they also heavily rely on the EU for its story telling and not every Halo fan will bother to pick up a book.

[dry brook]

I don’t even know well enough about the insurrectionists, they don’t really seem all that important compared to the UNSC-Covenant conflict

I mean can you really make a game about Spartans going against terrorists?

[steady bough]

Yes. It wouldn’t be hard and would present interesting gameplay.

But it’s not “Halo” so it’ll never happen.

[dry brook]

You’re more armored then they are, you’ll go against low tier resistance

[steady bough]

No? We have a few examples now of militarized Insurrectionists cells, and even rebelling PDF’s with access to tanks, unmanned drones and aircraft.

In Silent Storm, the Insurrectionists (and these aren’t even the PDF ones) have access to weapons and ammunition that can penetrate even the most heavily armoured sections of Mark IV MJOLNIR with one shot.

They also have access to Rumbledrugs, which give them incredible strength and durability.

[dry brook]

But it wouldn’t make for interesting gameplay, they aren’t varied like the covenant

Or the flood

[steady bough]

They can be.

Some have no armour and just pistols or SMG’s.

Some can have body armour to tank a few shots.

Some can have exoskeletons to act like heavy infantry.

Jet packs to add mobility.

Snipers, rocket launchers.

Tanks and etc.

Have you played any FPS with human enemies in the past decade? You can absolutely have variety with just bog standard humans, lol.

I also wouldn’t say the flood are varied.

You have only three main enemy types.

One of which is just a vector for one of the two other enemy types.

[dry brook]

But they aren’t versatile or have the tactics that makes elites, jackals, brutes, grunts, drones, skirmishes, etc

Those enemies are carefully crafted like a game of chess, which is why both covenant and UNSC weapons have their strengths and weaknesses against them.

Human enemies would feel pretty cheap

I assume that’s why they didn’t bother you fighting them in Halo 2.

[steady bough]

Have you played FEAR?

Because I’d say those enemies (despite being just humans) are some of the most advanced AI I’ve ever experienced, more advanced than anything Halo’s ever done. And that game came out in 2005.

[dry brook]

That’s fear though

Halo has a different set of gameplay

Fear is a great game though

[steady bough]

My point being you can make human enemies compelling to fight.

[dry brook]

Not in Halo

[steady bough]

In your opinion, lol

It’s never been attempted.

[little mica]

lambs to the slaughter

[steady bough]

So we can’t actually say.

[dry brook]

But you really think they would be enjoyable? Halo’s gameplay was crafted around the enemies you fight with them working like pieces of a chest board, humans just lack that versatile and behavior tactics that the covenant and flood have.

[steady bough]

There’s never been any effort put into making varied human enemies because there’s never been a reason to.

[dry brook]

It wouldn’t make for fun gameplay, it would feel like any other shooter.

[steady bough]

We can’t say that, lol

[dry brook]

Plus you would have to retool the entire sandbox for that

[steady bough]

It’s never been attempted.

We have absolutely no idea how it would play out.

[dry brook]

Probably would play very badly.

Which is why bungie didn’t attempt it in halo 2.

The only closest thing of fighting humans is the invasion mode in halo reach or the firefight versus

[steady bough]

They didn’t attempt it in Halo 2 because Thel only ever runs into humans once for a split second. There’s no reason to make multiple types of enemies if you never meet them and they’d only be fought by one of the two protagonists.

also H2 development was a mess, but that’s besides the point

[dry brook]

They chose for thel not to interact with the humans, which is why the prophets tasked him with other pursuits

[steady bough]

Yes.

I’m willing to concede I can’t sway you, (and we’ve gone way off topic for the chat) but I do want to end this by saying I don’t think you’re giving the idea a chance.

[verbal fox]

Because then it's basically COD or Battlefield, which are immensely more popular in the "Humans kill Humans" genre of shooters. Halo would flop

It's the same with the TV series. There are literally hundreds of options where I can see rebels fight the government, or two human militaries brawling it out. Heck I can watch it live. Halo's Insurrection has very little room to compete there.

And that's even if it was well written.

The show in Season 1 tried to be everything at once, and utterly failed.

[unreal pebble]

Damn, that's a hell of a low bar for 'unbeatable'.

[whole kestrel]

unbeatable*

*for Noble 6

[severe bough]

Anyone know what time S2 premiers? And if it’s gonna be the same time in US and UK?

[tawdry kestrel]

Good question

[little anvil]

Just realized
The Spartans in the show aren't ever called IIs are they? At least not as far as I remember

It's just "the Spartan program"
So the new ones we see in Mirage might be Spartan-IIs by technicality

[steady bough]

There’s a single screen I think that lists Johnny boy as a II.

But yeah it’s never spoken.

[tawdry elm]

The Silver Team logo has a "II' on it showing that they are Spartan 2s

[little anvil]

Interesting they never actually say "Spartan-2"

[tawdry elm]

Just like some Halo merc from Canon

[tawdry elm]

They might in Season 2

One of the many things Dr Halsey will disagree with

The whole Spartan 3 program

If Spartan 2s were in the TV show, wouldn't that mean Spartan 1s are also in it like Avery Johnson

[steady bough]

It means some version of ORION existed, yes.

But not necessarily that it’s like it was in canon.

[tawdry elm]

A new clip came out today with John using the Grappler

Y'all think they'll talk about Projext MAGNUS in the show?

[tawdry kestrel]

That clip already feels alot more like halo than season one did

[tawdry kestrel]

no way jimmy circles was using a grapape 🤯

[unkempt stump]

Yeap

[unkempt stump]

@steady bough @tawdry elm Obfuscatingly incorrect, Keyes says "We purposely kept JAG out of the SPARTAN-II program" in Solace

15-23-minute mark

[unkempt stump]

And what screen?
No mention there

Team SILVER
SPARTAN JOHN-117
RANK: MCPO
GENDER: MALE
STATUS: ACTIVE
ASSIGNMENT: FLEETCOM\ASYMMETRIC WARFARE RESEARCH GROUP
OPERATION: DEFIANT GLASS
DIRECT ACTION: SECTOR ONE
ACTIVITY: FIELD COMBAT OPERATIONS
HOMEWORLD: REDACTED
RALLY LOCATION EPSILON ERIDANI REACH FLEETCOM WHITETOWER
LAST REPORTED ACTIVITY (S) TEAM LEADER FOR FLEETCOM CRISIS ACTION TEAM, CONDOR
ALLOCATED FOR DURATION OF OPERATION
SPECIAL NOTES:
ALPHA HORMONAL MONITORING
SECONDARY NEURAL ENHANCEMENT, DELTA AMP MONITORING

This comes from 102 Unbound

[tawdry elm]

They did mention Spartan 117 in the promotional ads for Paramount+

[unkempt stump]

No mention of specific Spartan type either way (outside of Keyes' lines)

[steady bough]

Pretty sure it’s in a later episode.

But I digress.

[unkempt stump]

Which one is a later episode?

This display or Keyes' quote?

[unkempt stump]

reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/1al5czx/transcript_for_all_halo_s2e1_sanctuary_clips
All the 201 Sanctuary clips transcribed 🙂

[subtle crystal]

S2's RT score just climbed to 90%👀

I think we won?

[green void]

Maybe lmao

[thick umbra]

Ok... Will it be painful or boring to watch season 1

[drifting girder]

Why are you checking RottenTomatoes score? Last year with the Mario movie we were told that critics are wrong and not worth listening to

[toxic warren]

I really enjoyed it, some didn't. Don't go into it thinking you'll hate it
Also helps to not compare it too much to the official lore - it's not mainline canon and isn't trying to be

[drifting girder]

That is literally the root of the problem with this show

[toxic warren]

Not for everyone

[drifting girder]

Trust me, boring it is not

There are 2 types of bad media: stupid bad and boring bad
The Halo show goes in the former

[toxic warren]

Keep it constructive please

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat should be open now and accessible for everyone

[native otter]

https://twitter.com/XboxWire/status/1755291409483964640?t=mH3WCSp4TwjyMBIPh94V_A&s=19

Xbox Wire (@XboxWire) on X

Season two of Halo premieres February 8 on Paramount+ with two all-new episodes. Starting today, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate members who are new to Paramount+ can experience all of the action with a 30-day trial to Paramount+ via Perks. Learn more:
https://t.co/EvV7tGiITB

Twitter · Feb 7, 2024, 6:04 PM

[verbal fox]

Of like 12 reviewers? It's not statistically significant.
Those reviewers themselves put it at a like 70% average, exactly what the aggregate was for the last season.

[toxic warren]

Try now?

[verbal fox]

It works, I tested it

[subtle crystal]

Real question, why are you trying to ruin the fun for everyone else so badly?
Almost every time someone here says something positive or that they're expecting season 2 you come to downplay and doomspeak, what are you gaining from it?

[untold stream]

Hi guys, what time does the 1st episode air?

[toxic warren]

Don't know if a time has been mentioned yet, only seen the date so far

[untold stream]

ok thx

[dry sonnet]

As a fan, I honestly appreciated the callout here about statistical significance, and I don't consider it "down speaking". It's an important, objective distinction to make with any data set.

[subtle crystal]

It's a general behavior i'm following for days now, every positive comment is followed by something along the lines of "don't expect anything, it's gonna suck anyway" - if people aren't able to get hyped and excited here out of all places without encountering discouragement where can we?

[dry sonnet]

that's how conversation works. this is a chat, not an echo chamber. Rebuttal shouldn't discourage you, it should incite response

[subtle crystal]

Except this comments aren't made to invoke a proper conversation or in good faith, at best they're the result of the "if I can't have fun, nobody will" mentality; at worse, a cheap bait/trigger

[dry sonnet]

Responding that season 1 reviews are not reflective of the course that season 2 will take would be a fair callout in response to open criticism of the show, even if you believe that criticism is unfair. conversation doesn't require good faith, it only requires input

[spare stone]

They weren't talking about Season 1 reviews, though. They were talking about Season 2 reviews.

[dry sonnet]

"Those reviewers themselves put it at a like 70% average, exactly what the aggregate was for the last season"

[spare stone]

They relate they S2 scores to S1 scores, but the conversation isn't about "Responding that season 1 reviews are not reflective of the course that season 2"

[dry sonnet]

if someone is comparing S2 reviews to S1, then that's exactly what the conversation is about

[subtle crystal]

I don't think you understand, i'm not talking about this singular comment or just today.
I'm talking about a general behavior focusing on downplaying any remark to excitement about the show period, it's not even being said as a "I think that XYZ".
go over some of that guy's comments and you'll see what i'm talking about.

And if really want to talk about it, a score of 92% is a good sign. At least that's how I see it.
AND at no point I was talking about the S1 reviews, that guy picked that comparison to... again, downplay excitement.
I just don't get what brings someone to try to discourage people from anticipating to something

[dry sonnet]

I agree that 92 percent is a good sign, as long as reviewers are not holding that score relative to reception of S1. whether one likes the show or not is entirely up to them anyway. Someone else's opinion shouldn't matter, whether they agree or disagree

[subtle crystal]

And you're right, but when it happens constantly one has to ask themselves what I asked in my og comment
Again, go and read their comments; none of them are constructive or trying to bring up valid points to break upon and they're always given as a counterback that sums up as "I can't enjoy this so it means nobody should"

[drifting girder]

I don't agree in trying to ruin the fun to the rest

But I do agree that customers are in their right to demand for better quality when what they are given does not meet expectations

And if this channel is fair, if expressing positive thoughts about the show is allowed, then the same is true for negative thoughts

[subtle crystal]

God it's like no one's able to actually read my comments -_-

[drifting girder]

Maybe we will have better things to say about season 2

[subtle crystal]

That's not what I was even "complaining" about, but sure, I hope as well

[tawdry kestrel]

It doesn't help is they just come in here saying season 2 will suck when it isn't even out yet

[drifting girder]

Faith is earned, not given

[tawdry kestrel]

Nah bro I saw that no point in deleting it

[subtle crystal]

Are you even aware they switched writers?

[verbal fox]

I sparked a philosophical debate about faith and the expression of opinions. Interesting

[subtle crystal]

There's no debate and you know it.

[drifting girder]

They could switch writers, producers, directors and even actors for all I know
That still doesn't buy me

[subtle crystal]

Then I have no interest in a discussion made in bad faith lol

[drifting girder]

I will watch season 2, and it will be rightfully criticized if it's bad, and rightfully praised if it's good

[subtle crystal]

FINALLY

Thank you.

[verbal fox]

There are clips released already

[subtle crystal]

Clips of 30 seconds max? Is that your hill?

[drifting girder]

Maybe not fair, but it's the best I can do
Keeping your expectations high is how you get disappointed

[subtle crystal]

There's a difference between keeping your expectations high and giving a literal fresh team of writers the benefit of doubt

[drifting girder]

And that is how I approached Halo 5
I didn't expect Halo 5 to be great because Halo 4 was the prior game
And as a result, I didn't feel as disappointed with it

[drifting girder]

I care about the product, not the people behind it

That is the problem with this show isn't it
It's not for Halo fans
It's for casual sci-fi consumers

[subtle crystal]

The quality of a tv show is the result of the people behind it, what does that even supposed to mean?

[verbal fox]

Well if we want to talk people behind it, one key decision maker did not change: Kiki Wolfkill

[drifting girder]

Showing me what they did is gonna be much more impactful than telling me they are not the same who made season 1

That is the least I was expecting of an action scifi show

I will watch it regardless as I said before

[verbal fox]

There in lies the problem though. They lied to begin with. I've played plenty of games with Halo mods, but those games never claim to be Halo itself.

[subtle crystal]

Nope

[verbal fox]

You said it wears Halo as a skin.
I didn't want a Halo skin on a generic show.

[drifting girder]

Being canon and not in line with the franchise are not the same thing
To give you an example, Yoda being a guest character in Soulcalibur 4 is not canon in the Star Wars universe, but that doesn't mean Yoda is gonna act like a different person, he is still depicted in the way you would expect Yoda to act

[subtle crystal]

Good thing you're not the only person in the world this was shown to

[verbal fox]

Without the fan part.

[subtle crystal]

@jagged fulcrum honestly I'm starting to realize some people would be negative no matter what, this is the same type of people I expect to wait at most 5 min after the first two episodes drop before they lash at it for not being their fanfiction
I give up and it won't feel fair if I won't suggest you'll do the same

[verbal fox]

The other problem remains that this show dashes any chances of a canon show. Sink or swim, Paramount consumes any resources for any other live action product for the foreseeable future.

[drifting girder]

You gotta wonder if Halo Legends doesn't get criticized as much because its take on Halo is more accurate and for the one non-canon short they did, they made a new character for it to make fun of instead of using the Master Chief for it

[verbal fox]

I mean, done right, I have no issue with Pablo's face being the canon, live action appearance.

[drifting girder]

Nobody cares if the Master Chief takes off his helmet or not when there are much bigger problems at hand

[verbal fox]

Of course I care to a degree, because it wouldn't match up with other instances of his face, like Fall of Reach Animated or Halo 5 reveal.

But that isn't an issue

In fact, I prefer a fan's intepretation of the comic of Blue Team's post war reunion, with John's helmet off.

[subtle crystal]

I'm honestly still trying to understand what's the big deal behind seeing his face.

[drifting girder]

The biggest insult for me is that the creators of the show back in the season 1 pre-release were out there admitting to not having played the games like it was something to be proud of

[verbal fox]

It's simply the easiest thing to point out. It happened immediately, had no pay off, and isn't as hard to describe as, say, that particular warcrime prison scene.

My memories of Halo are still more in line with the Fall of Reach book than me being the Chief.

[drifting girder]

We don't call him "Master Cheeks" because he reveals his face (and it's not a respecful nickname either)

[verbal fox]

Jimmy Rings

[verbal fox]

It was like the 2nd or 3rd Episode of the season they did that. So bizzare...

[drifting girder]

So that's the problem
When the fans collectively agree to not call the character by their canon name or title, they are not recognizing it as a take on the character

[subtle crystal]

That's the big deal?

I like Pablo's acting, he does a great job
The show's Chief and the games's Chief aren't the same guy, nothing stops people from "imagining themselves" when they're playing the game

Idk, sounds like something that honestly would bother only kids

[drifting girder]

No Dusk

That problem is like a Grunt in a sea of Hunters

You might have a problem with the Last of Us show being pretty much a complete retelling of the game
But guess what, it worked
Both critics, casual watchers and veteran fans of the game alike all enjoyed it

[subtle crystal]

It's like these people that claim watching the last Star Wars trilogy "destroyed" the franchise for them... What? Even if you disliked them you can just... Ignore their existence.

[subtle crystal]

Why did you automatically assumed I had any problem with the TLOU show lol? Why did you automatically assumed things on me period?

[drifting girder]

That's a fake mindset

[verbal fox]

Well, in Disney's case it killed movie development for a LONG time. Like, it critically ruined it.

[drifting girder]

Ignoring Sonic 06 is not gonna make others forget about it, and it will not improve the reputation of the series
Pretending something doesn't exist is like the primary way of admitting that it is bad

[subtle crystal]

Then just ignore it if you don't like it lol.
Acting like it "stained" the IP in some way is hella childish.

[drifting girder]

I didn't
I say this to make clear that being accurate to the source material wouldn't have been a problem, and it automatically makes the justification of an alternate timeline void

And yes, every product, good or bad, has an effect on the IP

[subtle crystal]

You literally just pulled that as a fact out of nowhere 😂
You're a bad faith argumenter and respectfully I don't intend to waste time on people of that kind, sorry

[verbal fox]

I mean, it has.
Just as Star Wars movies have been undeveloped for years since the RoS, there won't be a Halo Film that is canon for decades.

[drifting girder]

Season 1 is not exactly a good faith giver

[subtle crystal]

You're totally allowed to be disappointed, there's a difference between that and what I said
Either way I've seen people acting like the writers literally killed their dog and ate their homework.

[verbal fox]

I mean essentially, it's people's childhoods

Would've worked great for Mass Effect

[subtle crystal]

I'm saying that out of minimal respect and so you won't waste your time: I won't agree with you, I think you're arguing in bad faith and I won't bother respond to you. Do with that info as you wish.

Exactly my thoughts.
Even if it's not a great halo show it's a good sci-fi show.

[drifting girder]

Believeing someone is driven by bad faith is an example of bad faith in itself

And no not really, taking away the Halo title from the show wouldn't make it a good show
A product is good or bad regardless of its quality as an adaptation

[toxic warren]

We're at the point of arguing about arguing now, so it's time to stop
Talk about the TV show, keep it constructive, let's hop off the negativity train because it's passed tiring at this point

[subtle crystal]

I agree, season's out soon anyway.
People will have time to pass on their judgement

Have fun then, I expect to see your thoughts

I assume getting renewed despite the mostly cold reviews from fans means they got a bigger budget?

Which might got translated into more budget for animation = more budget for fight scenes

I have no problem with storytelling and getting into the emotional bits

In fact I really liked the moments where they started to doubt their identity

And the climax where Kai was the unstoppable machine running towards Halsey but also emotional?

If they're a team I want them to care about each other just like how Chief sprinted towards Kai to save her

[verbal fox]

Oo, time about to be posted?

[sand venture]

while this chat is obviously for everyone, if your sole contributions are constant negativity and complaints, i strongly encourage you to reconsider your words before posting and take a break.

Actively being nonconstructive and causing people to leave the channel because they can't enjoy something does no favors to anyone.

[subtle crystal]

I assume it'll be the standard upload time for new Pplus content?

[verbal fox]

Oof

[verbal fox]

Which is?

[floral fossil]

12am pacific I think

[subtle crystal]

Exactly! I hope it'll go to that place, especially after season 1's ending when they made up and went to raid that cove cloud base

[gray mulch]

rewatching season 1 rn and im enjoying it for what it is

[native otter]

At this point I'm going to assume midnight PST for release, but we'll have to wait an see I guess.

[shell shale]

Yeah, 12 am for LA/3 am for NY

[drifting girder]

More or less

Season 2 was announced before season 1 aired

[unkempt stump]

mostly cold

Might as well call Reach a "decimation" over a "total disaster" as Lord Hood once semantically said

[native otter]

https://thedirect.com/article/halo-season-2-release-date-schedule-episodes-confirmed
Got it, found this!

[green void]

So midnight?

[native otter]

pacific, yes

[green void]

Ok

Good

[tawdry kestrel]

AHHH THE DEMON

[gloomy veldt]

??

[tawdry kestrel]

I appear in the series

[toxic warren]

Grunt, let's chill with the RP please

[olive imp]

I didn’t like it the first time and never finished it. Binged it this week with a little more open mind and really enjoyed it this time.

[tawdry kestrel]

Are you saying he's not a grunt!!!!

[toxic warren]

Reminder that once it hits midnight, anything that may be a spoiler for Season 2, major plot points, etc, should go in #halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[timid gyro]

link is restricted

[sturdy haven]

S2 spoiler: master chief is in it

[toxic warren]

Fixed, Discord kept directing to the old channel

[unkempt stump]

I live in Indonesia, so 1500 for me
Coincidentally, I'm on a brief trip out town

Burning much time I am

[tawdry kestrel]

Bro seriously 😒 you ruined it

[sturdy haven]

Also s2 has a score of 92% on rotten tomatoes

[unkempt stump]

Good Omens of it being more Halo than before

We got the intros and moralities, now focus on the real enemy

[unkempt stump]

I'd like to add that Mario was a fun romp movie that didn't need substance
Much like the Fast and Furkouses

[unkempt stump]

Stckr, you read?

[unkempt stump]

Hewwoo

[toxic warren]

Finally finished all the special features, didn't do them all first time I watched the Blu ray. Some really cool stuff on there - how they designed clothing around characters, building a brand new language, designing weapons

Hoping S2 comes with some cast/crew commentary

[unkempt stump]

Declassified?

[toxic warren]

Yes, but there are also some featurettes on the last disc

[neon plover]

So just to be sure, the show comes out <t:1707379200:R>?

[unkempt stump]

yep yep

[unkempt stump]

Proof

I live in Indonesia, so 1500 for me
Coincidentally, I'm on a brief trip out town

3 AM Eastern time/Midnight Pacific time

Burning much time just to get home and watch

[neon plover]

And I'll have to wait 20 hours to watch it at my house with two friends

Guess I won't be looking at the Discord tomorrow

[unkempt stump]

What ya sayin?

Your timezone lagged?

[neon plover]

No, bit I made a deal with two friends to watch the show at my house tomorrow at night

So, <t:1707444000:R>

(23 hours and 30 minutes)

[stoic jetty]

DANNNNNG I love what they did with portraying the Covie battle tactics!

Don't want to say which S1 episode, but this show continuously impresses me.

[tawdry kestrel]

2 more hours

[native otter]

Anyone able to get this to work and actually apply to their account?
https://twitter.com/XboxWire/status/1755291409483964640?t=mH3WCSp4TwjyMBIPh94V_A&s=19

Xbox Wire (@XboxWire) on X

Season two of Halo premieres February 8 on Paramount+ with two all-new episodes. Starting today, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate members who are new to Paramount+ can experience all of the action with a 30-day trial to Paramount+ via Perks. Learn more:
https://t.co/EvV7tGiITB

Twitter · Feb 7, 2024, 6:04 PM

What were the steps and buttons you pressed?

[tawdry kestrel]

wait huh

5 hours?

damn im gonna be asleep

will it start at midnight

In America yeah

I think

[wintry pelican]

That's multiple timezones

[tawdry kestrel]

Est

[stoic jetty]

I have to go to sleep with 2 episodes yet to go in S1, but this show is hands-down awesome.

[wintry pelican]

On an account, as i did one month, after clicking the link, i proceeded, during the payment stuff, the discount code was there

[tawdry kestrel]

Is season 2 showing up on paramount for anyone?

[crystal cosmos]

I still got to wait 'till to tomorrow to see it

Not sure on the exact hour

[primal cove]

Live in ET time zone, not showing up yet

[tawdry kestrel]

Hmm

3am est/12pst probably

Darn it

[neon plover]

<t:1707379200:R>

[crystal cosmos]

Yippee

[little anvil]

Oh now we're talking

[green void]

12 AM right?

[remote sluice]

It’s out

[subtle crystal]

Ammm guys
It's out👀

This is not a drill, it's outttt

[neon plover]

See ya!

[teal vector]

Don’t see it

[tawdry kestrel]

Its up for me, just had to scroll to the last episode of season 1

its taking forever to load tho

[gray mulch]

i got a few more eps to go in s1 before i start s2

[wintry pelican]

i dont see it still 😦

[lament oriole]

where s2

[tawdry kestrel]

It's there if you restart the app

It finally loaded for me.

[native otter]

I'm trying to watch on the paramount app on my tv and it's not there yet.

[lament oriole]

ITS OUT
2 episodes in the same day lol

[native otter]

What platform are you using the app?

[tawdry kestrel]

Fire TV Stick

[quiet ivy]

Is it out in UK yet, I can’t find it on paramount

[native otter]

Finally got it

Restarted the app again

[unkempt glen]

wow...

[next tree]

1st two episodes are out for season 2 🤩

[keen crag]

Damn bro this series is fire , hopefully it stays this way

[next tree]

That 1st part of the ep 1 was really good. You can definitely tell they had a higher budget and that there’s people that care about the franchise altogether in this season. Although there are some scenes I didn’t care for. But there’s tons of interesting stuff in there from past content like Halo waypoint episodes and Halo legends and something amazing which I’m not going to spoil. 🤭 But so far I’m really enjoying it and I can’t wait for more episodes. Thank you 343 for giving us something else besides the games to enjoy. 🤩😄

[keen crag]

tru tru

[keen crag]

are the elites stormtroopers?? like their aim is garbage

bro even the insurrectionist are garbage , they just had to aim for the head smth

[wraith plover]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[keen crag]

I though this was halo series chat?

OH HELL NAW WTF IS THIS

UM IM NOT GONNA SPOIL THIS

[next tree]

Well I can’t really say much about it without spoilers but what I can say is being afraid of something that you never seen before does change up certain aspects. 😏

[keen crag]

why da elites look goofy

their armor looks too smooth

[next tree]

I think they look cool

[keen crag]

they too smooth for me

[next tree]

Well the Covenant is 1,000 years ahead of the UNSC

Or so

[keen crag]

I call em splitlips

Dr halsey looks weird

I though she was supposed to look old?

[umbral isle]

That one scene from the 1st season

[keen crag]

what scene

I just started

[next tree]

Nothing to worry about

[umbral isle]

Ye what he said

[next tree]

People make things a bigger deal than it actually needs to be. Just learn from the past and keep moving forward to a better future.

[keen crag]

come to spoiler chat

[umbral isle]

Ye I’m over the whole helmet thing and don’t really care tbh, but I just hate the relationship between Chief & Makee. Absolutely ruins his character and I hate it

[keen crag]

wtf u mean by helmet thing

and why does Halsey look like she's a karen

she doesnt look like Halsey

[wraith plover]

she does

[keen crag]

she doesnt look old

[next tree]

But the other content is cool and enjoyable. The creators said it’s a different time-line from the video games so some things are going to be different. But I don’t have a problem with it because it’s entertaining to watch.

[wraith plover]

Its because the actress is not 60 years old

And even so, it doesnt matter

[keen crag]

fair enough

[next tree]

Mmm sounds like you're just trying to start a argument for no reason other than being bored.

[gray mulch]

about to watch s2

[remote sluice]

season 2 is actually..... much better than I expected

[subtle crystal]

Season 2 does not disappoint so far!

Damn do I love being right.

[dreamy stirrup]

Time to wind down, out on my comfy clothes, lay in bed, and put on season 2!!

[subtle crystal]

You're gonna enjoy

[stoic acorn]

Without spoilers please, was s2ep1 any good & is it improved upon from s1?

[wraith plover]

already 10 min in and yes it is. More budget is put into it

[keen crag]

why does Halsey look like she gonna say Giggity

[tawdry kestrel]

Bro just stop

[subtle crystal]

Bruh what? What do you have against Halsey's actress?

[dreamy stirrup]

I NEED ALL EPISODES

[subtle crystal]

What did you think about the eps?

[dreamy stirrup]

We can chat in #halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[unreal pebble]

I mean, minus the whole 'actually is a genius' part, Halsey is 100% a Karen.

Like, in mainline canon, at any rate

[daring nimbus]

True

[wispy basin]

New season is very good so far

Quite like it

[silver cobalt]

When does it come out on skyshowtime

[viscid ferry]

Is the new season worth watching so far despite having a bad foundation (season 1)?

[elfin lark]

Does he still take off his helmet

[verbal fox]

Yes

[elfin lark]

Now I don't want to sound like a baby crying on the internet, but I think giving a face under the helmet is giving master chief too much humanity

[verbal fox]

Too early for a consensus. If you waiting for mass opinion, wait till tomorrow or the weekend.

[stable comet]

nah you're entitled to your opinion, just remember not to attack people for no reason if they have a different opinion. A lot of the helmet discussion is very valid and people make great points, but the harassment and the attitude of like "you're not a real halo fan" from both sides is a little over the top in my opinion

[elfin lark]

Oh yeah go ahead and enjoy him without a helmet, it's just an ick for me. It's mostly because I grew up with this guy who was so far above me that I felt like a pawn compared to him, and now it just feels like another superhero dude, which might be enjoyable to some, but to me it's just... mmmeehhh. If they can pull off this season better I might actually watch it, I just won't really imagine the guy as the master chief I rmeember

We are all halo fans, some are just different than others

Noble 6 is my favorite anyway

[stable comet]

i feel like a lot of the controversy around the helmet is just people's frustrations over how chief didn't really have a lot of the qualities that people love from the games in season 1. He went from being stoic and quiet, to quite loud and opinionative, and I think most people really wouldn't have cared so much about the helmet if chief acted more like he did in the games. Really, seeing his face isn't that big of a deal, especially as the show explores his human side more in depth, but again I think the helmet thing just became the symbol of how chief was depicted very differently, and in a way not many fans enjoyed

imo i think if chief just acts more like chief, people will care less about the helmet. It's just mainly the way he acts more than some arbitrary "i've seen this man's face skin so now he is a worse character" although I can also understand the argument that chief is a stand-in for the player, so showing his face kinda defeats that purpose

regardless it is a different chief anyways, so it's not like mainline chief is suddenly showing his nose to the whole world or anything

[unreal pebble]

Chief was.

It hasn't actually been that way for over a decade at this point.

[subtle crystal]

Yep, it is.
First two episodes are really great and the start of episode 3 looks like it's gonna be a banger of a fight scene

[stable comet]

True, but i'd argue most people's idea of chief comes from the original trilogy era rather than the halo 4 and beyond era, most people are literally just familiar with how he's depicted in H1/H2/H3 and pretty much nothing beyond that

especially casual fans, which is the bigger viewerbase of the show, most people wouldn't have read the expanded lore or anything

[unreal pebble]

Valid. Put delicately, people can be ignorant of changes or additions. Though I meant 4, 5, Infinite.

[stable comet]

for sure

[verbal fox]

I mean he was technically always his own character. TFoR predates CE by a few days.

[glacial loom]

Any Indians here?

[viscid ferry]

Thanks, might give it a try then.

[subtle crystal]

Have fun, ping me if you wanna share your outtakes after

[verbal fox]

I still argue wait it a bit, it's still the morning lol. Mostly diehard fans or strong haters roaming these parts before the work day is over. I'm sure more neutral heads will be talking by the evening.

[viscid ferry]

When does the next episode release? Sorry I haven’t been keeping up with the dates

[verbal fox]

3? Thursday next week

[viscid ferry]

Ok thanks

I might wait until then and see what people think

[verbal fox]

If you want general consensus, you'll probably hear it by Saturday.
If you want a particular set of opinions, just wait for your favorite youtuber or something.

I do wonder if they will release the first episode free on Youtube like last time?

[subtle crystal]

Thursday of every week

[radiant venture]

I can't have an opinion until my favorite youtuber makes a video, then I can download it to my mind and parrot it daily

[olive imp]

Just started episode 1. Man that start was 🔥

[wind canyon]

Totally agree. I can definitely see it’s a step up from season one

No useless Kwan storylines, no bs

Just Chief and those around him

[toxic warren]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat if you're discussing details about Season 2

[silent sapphire]

Wait, I thought Season 2 didn't drop until tommorrow

I'll check it out when I'm home

[subtle crystal]

Surprise

[silent sapphire]

I'm not home right now so I'll stream it then

[timid gyro]

read good reviews about the first two episodes

[hollow root]

Question: I’m thinking of watching S2. Do I have to watch S1 to understand the current available episodes?

My only experience with S1 is from the first 3(?) episodes on YouTube and a ton of clips

[subtle crystal]

You can watch the recap, but where's the fun?

[olive imp]

Yeah I’d finish season 1

[toxic warren]

^

[subtle crystal]

RT score sits on 92% critics, 73% audience🥹

[ocean socket]

Isn’t season 2 a reboot of the show?

[wraith plover]

no

[verbal fox]

"Soft" reboot, at best

[subtle crystal]

Not hard and not soft, it's a continuation

Some stuff the audience liked less were briefly glanced at

[verbal fox]

Yeah, Dusk is right. Reboot doesn't fit at all

[wraith plover]

no one said that, its not a reboot of any kind

[subtle crystal]

They have changed the general behavior of some characters

Kwan is less scared of everything and more independent, Vannak and Riz are less robotic

[verbal fox]

The word was used in Interviews by the cast and crew to put the phrase out there. But they never officially stated it, yeah

Very strategic use of "I wouldn't call it a reboot but" to draw in skeptics

[wraith plover]

That's called evolution of character yes

[subtle crystal]

Idk if it's an actual evolution in that case, there's the starting point and the ending point but we haven't seen the middle (anything that happened in the time jump period)

Since in Kwan's case everyone are mostly happy about the change and I guess most are happy about Silver team's as well I think it's best to not fully think about it

[wraith plover]

Vannak and Riz -> explained in the series

[subtle crystal]

Yeah yeah, cause they removed the pallet

What I mean is nothing in the final episode that happened suggested they even considered doing that

And in S2E1 bam, it's been weeks since they done it

Which again, I'm not complaining about
Just stating

[tawdry kestrel]

Keep in mind it's a 6 month gap

[buoyant lava]

Actions scenes are miles better, everything else is awful.

[tawdry kestrel]

Paragraph incoming

[subtle crystal]

I've been expecting this kind of comments

They're as valid to me as the skin of a potato

[rocky prairie]

I’m loving the bleaker tone of this season so much more than S1, and I really enjoyed S1. And finally the Covenant are… like genuinely scary here.

These 1st 2 episodes were great imo.

[ocean socket]

1st episode was good.

[rapid wedge]

EXCUSE ME

JUST GOT DONE WATCHING SEASON 1

WHAT WAS THAT

WHY DID CHEIF DO THAT WITH THE COVENANT LADY?!

[toxic warren]

Chill with the caps please

[rapid wedge]

I'm sorry

[verbal fox]

There is no logical answer to this question. Nor has there been any consequences for anyone involved in the decision

[rapid wedge]

I knew they were taking off Chief's armor but I didn't know they were taking off that much

[verbal fox]

I am only slightly less mad about it when I do everything in my brain power to try and not think of Pablo as Chief. Jimmy Rings, Master Cheeks, anything else.

[rapid wedge]

My family calls him Cheiffy Cheeks now.

[verbal fox]

It's identity theft

Among other violations of the Geneva Conventions regarding the treatment of POWs.

[rapid wedge]

I was thinking to myself that it would be cool if they added Noble team since they actually did take off their helmets. Then I tf myself that they might take off 6's helmet if they did that and I decided that if they took off 6's helmet even once then id never watch the show again

[verbal fox]

I mean that's exactly the trick to get you to watch. Once you watch, it's over

I really still don't see them introducing Noble Team. They didn't give us Blue Team, why would they give us Noble?

[rapid wedge]

It's just wishful thinking especially since their going to Reach.

[verbal fox]

Wishful. Very apt description of a number of folks. I somewhat feel bad for them when their wishes are dashed

[rapid wedge]

I know it'll never happened that's why I'm recreating all of Noble Team's armor with a 3d printer lol

Especially Jorge

[verbal fox]

Nice

[rapid wedge]

Starting with my noble 6 though. Spartan-182

[verbal fox]

You can always just enjoy the Deliver Hope trailer. Has a ton of replay-ability

[rapid wedge]

Yea that's what I've been watching lol. And the Fan animation "Remember"

[verbal fox]

By SODAZ? Great choice

[rapid wedge]

I love that animation

Watched a good 7-8 times now

[verbal fox]

He's good at what he does. The world needs more people like him.

[rapid wedge]

Absolutely. I've gone through all his animations especially the "Painful Needler" video or the one where they use the glitches

[silent sapphire]

Honestly watching the first episode now

[rapid wedge]

Season one first episode?

[silent sapphire]

Season 2

[rapid wedge]

Oh

I'm just now watching the finale for season one lol

[silent sapphire]

Heard it was supposed to be closer to the games

Season 2 I mean

[rapid wedge]

That's what I'm hoping for. Or maybe some better CGI for the elites.

[verbal fox]

I would not consider it closer to the games, not on a whole.
They have made improvements but...
Since you are already watching it just go finish it

[silent sapphire]

Season 3 I hope if we get one, actually takes place on Installation 04 since this season is the Fall of Reach

[verbal fox]

I don't understand how people can stop watching like half way through an episode to comment about it on social media. No offense to them, but to me it's just bizzare

Especially if they are enjoying it

Hating it, I can understand the need for a mental break, but when liking it?

[drifting girder]

You should know by now that people on the internet don't follow the rules

You should never criticize a product without consuming it first
But Twitter's favorite activity is doing that exactly

[rapid wedge]

Season one was a bombshell but I'm lovin season 2 so far.

Episode one was good

[verbal fox]

I don't mean it that way. I mean in the middle of watching it. Why stop watching something you are enjoying to make comments on it?

[neat bridge]

The first episode doesn't speak for the whole series. Remember last season when episode 5 hit it was total hype but went downhill after that and ended badly. Just saying, I still have my fingers crossed lol

[silent sapphire]

Prediction: Season 2 ends with the Pillar of Autumn, setting up Season 3 to be an adaptation of CE

[rapid gate]

Anybody get a good look at the board to see what other spartans made an appearance? I managed to make out Anton-044

[toxic warren]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat