general-chat

[muted rose]

Truthful soggy

[bronze breach]

[muted rose]

I was going to say contact harvest was confusing and then I read some of sparks quotes

[faint mantle]

There's a lot we haven't used before

[glad tapir]

I am dead

[faint mantle]

[fossil skiff]

[muted rose]

The typing dead

[glad tapir]

Yes.

[bronze breach]

do i turn hardware acceleration off when launching infinite?

[glad tapir]

Yes, my grammar is dead as hell.

[bronze breach]

cuz discord always crashes when i go into voice and play infinite

[winter flame]

Then yeah worth a shot

[glad tapir]

Mr bombastic.

[winter flame]

If you’re CPU bound you are best capping ur fps via the driver (Nvidia or AMD control panel)

[heady socket]

Y’all join social vc

[glad tapir]

How do I know, if I am cpu bound?

[faint mantle]

You can't make it dynamic, it's either on or off, manually set

[bronze breach]

let me check my driver version. does nvidia control panel says it?

[winter flame]

Open resource monitor and if multiple threads are at 100% your CPU bound

[faint mantle]

It does

You can also open GeForce Experience and check anyways

Which saves you a step actually

[fervent bear]

Is MCC down? Im getting a window that says "contacting server to get the latest matchmaking data. Please wait" and nothing happens

[bronze breach]

guess my driver version

[glad tapir]

ok

[winter flame]

532

[bronze breach]

not even close

[elfin glacier]

0.0.1-BETA-PRERELEASE.[Trunk]_git-RC47

[bronze breach]

[winter flame]

455

[glad tapir]

It is not cpu bound.

[winter flame]

This game ain’t very fun

[elfin glacier]

On a related note i'm still waiting for number company to serve me up some sizzling hot canary builds of infinite

[winter flame]

Tell me higher or lower dark

U ask me to guess then u don’t even respond smh

[pulsar cobalt]

Loving this squad battle mode

nice to play these classic maps

[bronze breach]

sorry discord crashed

too high

[pulsar cobalt]

Might wanna lay of the mushrooms

[winter flame]

If 455 is too high you are out of date by years

[pulsar cobalt]

Morbius on 2017 drivers

[bronze breach]

wait 455? very close

its 456.71

[winter flame]

No way I’m genius

Now update ur drivers lol

[pulsar cobalt]

Okay 343 please keep rats nest in

[glad tapir]

Guys why is the game taking up 22 GB of ram????

[pulsar cobalt]

holy crap its so fun

[bronze breach]

i stopped doing it because i recall, my pc refused to install it even after DDU lmao

[winter flame]

For 3 years?????

[glad tapir]

hmm?

[pulsar cobalt]

Damn morbius no wonder your crashing man

[bronze breach]

well before i stopped at 45.71 i used to update it when i can, but it always refused to install and had to keep on rebooting to get it to work

so i stopped updating because im lazy to go through the effort to hope it will install lol

[winter flame]

Okay but you could fix that problem rather than deal with games crashing lol

[bronze breach]

ironically infinite only started to crash on me on s4, s1-3 it was pretty fine...

[winter flame]

455 was genuinely a joke guess I can’t believe ur that out of day man

Date*

[glad tapir]

I think I know why the game crashes.

It uses 28 GB of ram.

[winter flame]

Infinite or MCC?

[glad tapir]

MCC CE ANNIVERSARY.

[winter flame]

If ur playing MCC it has a memory leak

[bronze breach]

Infinite is using most of my RAM right now

[glad tapir]

No fix I guess.

[winter flame]

I predict it will be fixed tomorrow

[glad tapir]

Maybe.

[pulsar cobalt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/991023983019302962/1128403832259498064/20230711201331_1.jpg?width=2401&height=1351 so much fun

[winter flame]

But if you start the game without anniversary graphics enabled maybe you won’t get the leak? Idk if it remembers

[glad tapir]

so low?

[winter flame]

Or is there a setting for anniversary or classic in the pre game options?

[glad tapir]

36 gb of ram while paused wth

[winter flame]

No those are just graphics setting for anniversary

[glad tapir]

All I have is 48 gb of ram and it still crashes.

[winter flame]

If you can start halo CE without the anniversary graphics on maybe it won’t have a memory leak

[glad tapir]

Man I need to buy 128 gb ram sticks now, hopefully it will not crash.

[granite solar]

Anyone else getting really bad lag on HI. Went from MCC to HI and MCC was perfect, but HI I'm getting up to 200ping

[bronze breach]

you think thats bad? I only have 8GB of RAM and 85% is being used up

[winter flame]

Select local for search region in settings

[granite solar]

I am on local

[bronze breach]

oh nvm, i have 16gb... how on earth can i forget that

shameful

I cant remember my own specs

[winter flame]

Was it one game you got 200 ping or multiple?

I got a Australian server the other day but it was a one off thing

[winter flame]

I have 32 and I barely ever use more then 16. I wasted money

I don’t think I’ve ever seen it above 16 tbh

[glad tapir]

Maybe.

[bronze breach]

future proofing for future games that requires more

its a good thing

[glad tapir]

I am trying to learn blender to do something but well...

[winter flame]

Ram is like half the price now then when I bought it though

[glad tapir]

It did not workout so far.

[hasty zinc]

playing on zanzibar in Infinite is pretty fun

well last resort

[glad tapir]

Mate I cannot even make a freaking silo.

[pulsar cobalt]

I'm hoping all three of these maps stay

[winter flame]

Classic map, probs one of the greatest attack-defend maps in halo

[glad tapir]

And when I try to make guns I always make a mistake and cannot undo it.

[winter flame]

There’s forge btb maps in matchmaking?

[glad tapir]

hmm?

[pulsar cobalt]

in the new mode called sqaud battle

[winter flame]

Nice I can’t keep up lol

[granite solar]

It's random some games I'm 30-40 others I'm 120-200

[obsidian wyvern]

oh I should try that

[bronze breach]

wonderful i sprained my neck just now and got -3 kda as a result -_-

[obsidian wyvern]

done with ranked after people who don't play ball are annoyed at me for trying to clockstop

[bronze breach]

dont play btb pls

[timber charm]

its official ive got my 3rd msg

telln me how bad my teammates were

[winter flame]

Try toggling local to expanded and then back to local. Do that after every game and see if it fixes the problem. If so file a bug report to say the local option isn’t persisting and they will let you know once it’s fixed

[timber charm]

even my enemy sympathizes with me lol

[obsidian wyvern]

finally got into darks game

[bronze breach]

wait what

[winter flame]

Hunt him down

[bronze breach]

i was on youtube!

[obsidian wyvern]

I kid

[winter flame]

SADGE

[glad tapir]

Someone tell me how did master chief go from killing covenants to spamming pride flags? note: (this is not discriminatory, it is just a question I really want to know)

[winter flame]

iPhone capitalised that

[timber charm]

i mean in story canon he never does

[glad tapir]

Real?

[timber charm]

its jus a game ui/multiplayer thing

ya its a u know, every game has it now

[glad tapir]

yup.

[obsidian wyvern]

it's rat's nest and no one is getting in my hog, they've never played halo 3

[granite solar]

Finally have some good btb maps with squad battle

[timber charm]

chief 2busy shootin monkes

[pulsar cobalt]

Shame i've been doing that no one gets in

[timber charm]

theyre traumatized by vanilla btb

they have no idea the warthogs true power

[rare cedar]

I see Halo 3 rat’s home is now in Infinite

[timber charm]

(does need a gud driver to spree)

blessed day

truly praise the forgers whoever they are

[winter flame]

You only need 2 kills in a warthog for it to be worthwhile

[timber charm]

if ur a gud driver, u cud earn 6-7 kill

[granite solar]

Dude are there just new players playing squad battle. I keep getting people who are playing like they've never played a FPS or a bunch of afkers

[winter flame]

Big if

[obsidian wyvern]

zug u playing?

[glad tapir]

I mean I have nothing against gay people. (but please don't do weird things to me)

[winter flame]

A lot of people who play btb in general are just having a blast

[timber charm]

too late ur officially D E L E T E D

[glad tapir]

nooooooo!!!!

[glad tapir]

ahhhh!!!

[hasty zinc]

thoughts?

[granite solar]

This is more like the are moving like they never used a controller before, or aren't even playing. I'm fine with new players. But I would like to not get them every game

[pulsar cobalt]

the visor is abit weird

[granite solar]

AHHHH oh it's just a spartan

[winter flame]

I’ve been in arena matches full of players who seem new to fps

[hasty zinc]

fixed

[obsidian wyvern]

it's awful aegis

[hasty zinc]

yay!

[obsidian wyvern]

no the other one was worse

[bronze breach]

server down?

[hasty zinc]

oh the first one?

[obsidian wyvern]

no

[bronze breach]

i keep getting dedicated server error

[hasty zinc]

ok I'll switch back

[obsidian wyvern]

I just exited a match and found another in 3 seconds

also are you playing the new playlist dark

[bronze breach]

nah regular btb

[obsidian wyvern]

omg it's Valhalla

[rare cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471727594392256513/1079533887052591104/PetGrass.gif

[timber charm]

it can look alrite if u use mil camos

and the attachment

[bronze breach]

if i cant find a match, i'm just going to close the game... i just dont have the patience...

[timber charm]

but it seems aegis wants that trolly vibe

[pulsar cobalt]

most are probably on sqaud battle morbius

[timber charm]

sometimes restarting the game helps me

[ocean tangle]

Mastercheeks collection

[hasty zinc]

why I would never. I try to make my Spartans as close to lore as I can

[timber charm]

mastercheeks

u mind tellln me y ur pantless

[pulsar cobalt]

More halo 3 maps like this would be fantastic

[ocean tangle]

Reach needs love as well

[glad tapir]

back.

[rare cedar]

It’s glassed

[ocean tangle]

I'm sick of playing swordbase its so bad

[timber charm]

which one wud u want

[ocean tangle]

Anything at this point

[glad tapir]

Reach best lore.

ok maybe not but it is really good.

[timber charm]

the map with the snow

for reach btb

[glad tapir]

huh????

[timber charm]

id pick that one if i had to pick 1

[pulsar cobalt]

snowbound lovely map

[timber charm]

absolutely

[obsidian wyvern]

the spire

[granite solar]

Now all we need is BR starts in squad battle and it will be the best game mode in HI, second only to infection

[hasty zinc]

which 3 maps are in Squad Battle?

well besides last resort

[granite solar]

Rats nest Valhalla and last resor

[hasty zinc]

cool cool

thank you

[rare cedar]

Zealot

[hasty zinc]

Standoff when?

[glad tapir]

What????

What are you guys talking about?

[hasty zinc]

new mode in Halo Infinite came out today

[glad tapir]

Maps?

[rare cedar]

Reflection is a good map too

[hasty zinc]

Squad Battles on Halo 3 forge maps

[obsidian wyvern]

oh the new btb is 8v8 too

[hasty zinc]

oh?

[granite bramble]

Ugh will halo infinite weekly ult’s ever return? I was in the hospital..

[glad tapir]

What are ults?

[granite bramble]

The challenge rewards

[glad tapir]

oh

[round laurel]

They've returned before.

[normal owl]

Nickname for insults: 'ults.

[glad tapir]

xd

[granite bramble]

I thought only for mcc ?

[rare cedar]

Ultimate reward. For example, here’s one from Uny

[forest lagoon]

Showing Uny insulting someone? Panda how could you!

[rare cedar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/CCKoSMo1VpeGitOK6O

[round laurel]

During the Winter pass, previous weekly rewards returned. But considering the pass was more of an interim one, it could've just been a one-time thing.

[balmy sundial]

Aaaaand I just realized I missed out on the hazmat event and knowing how there’s never been any reruns in Infinite so far I likely wont ever get it

[granite bramble]

If it was a one time thing thats so stupid…

SAME

its a joke

[forest lagoon]

It's might come back. A few events have popped up for another week or two after cycling for another chance

[granite bramble]

Something out of my control and will never be able to get it. Probably gonna quit infinite and just play mcc if thats the case

[rare cedar]

👀

https://twitter.com/halo/status/1678796386056241153?s=46&t=_AnmsgrZ7aMJAkv4BDGfYg

Halo (@Halo)

Petals upon wind
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[forest lagoon]

Play whatever you enjoy the most

[round laurel]

Bit hyperbolic.

[glad tapir]

True.

But noone plays these games anymore.

[forest lagoon]

[round laurel]

Plenty play Halo 3 and Reach lol

[granite bramble]

^

[glad tapir]

Not a lot of people playing Reach...

[forest lagoon]

Sounds like a stretch

[glad tapir]

Who want to co-op.

[normal owl]

I missed this until now. Exciting!

[granite bramble]

What were the last 2 weekly ulimate rewards?

[misty spindle]

on steam charts Halo MCC is more popular than Infinite so that's at least something for the PC Community for MCC lol

[glad tapir]

Oh.

[misty spindle]

but im 90% certain most of the MCC community is just playing Halo 3 lol

[granite bramble]

Infinite should have an exchange system like mcc imo

[misty spindle]

there is an exchange system like MCC, its just you waste your bank account than in-game credits lol

[granite bramble]

I mean the weekly ultimate rewards

[misty spindle]

plus im not gonna lie.... I haven't been digging this seasons cosmetic theme for Infinite

[granite bramble]

I missed this hazmat event cause i was in the hospital plus the last 2 maybe 3 ult rewards

[ocean tangle]

Rather have H5 on PC than this

[granite bramble]

No one knows this weeks and and last week’s rewards?

[normal owl]

Ok now you're really making me torn: H5 was my pinnacle Halo MP experience.

[obsidian wyvern]

there's no JIP for this playlist though

[round laurel]

This weeks: #1040734945125089280 message

[obsidian wyvern]

I lied

[granite bramble]

Thank you @round laurel

[round laurel]

#1040734945125089280 message

Last week's reward. ^

[hasty zinc]

you could just check the pins in that channel

[ocean tangle]

H5 is 343s magnum opus imo

Multiplayer I should specify

[misty spindle]

honestly idk if I should be happy or sad lol

[normal owl]

Finally, playable elites...in World of Warcraft!

[tight remnant]

Yeah

[misty spindle]

if that were to happen before Infinite im sure people would be pissed lol

[normal owl]

Would be the best April Fool's prank ever.

[misty spindle]

how long until Activision makes a Halo themed WoW game 🤣

I know there was some project they tried years ago but it failed or got cancelled

[ocean tangle]

4 years

ODST 2 when?

[elfin glacier]

Cancelled yes

Because it was only predicted to make $1 billion (the most conservative internal profit estimates)

Not only was it cancelled, but they shut down Ensemble Studios in the middle of Halo Wars development

And yes I said only

[obsidian wyvern]

one flag last resort is too long

[bronze breach]

Microsoft buys Activision...
I buy Microsoft...

Flawless plan 👍

[elfin glacier]

Skill issue

[jaunty yoke]

Squad Battle is a very pleasant surprise

[bronze breach]

Rev you still playing lmao

[obsidian wyvern]

yes

[misty spindle]

df? then how much did Halo 3 make?

[bronze breach]

I quit playing after 1 btb match lol I sprained my neck during my first match which was a JIP

[jaunty yoke]

How come they prioritize advertising cosmetics but shadow drop when remakes of Halo 3 maps come out in matchmaking

[misty spindle]

Halo 3 was widley successful but I never heard the word "Billion" for Halo 3, yet they cancel the MMO for only predicting a billion?

[obsidian wyvern]

yeah they should have more advertisement for stuff like this playlist

[jaunty yoke]

There are a lot of cancelled Halo projects

[cloud raven]

hello, Ive been having trouble modding my mcc, may i ask for help here?

[obsidian wyvern]

realistically no one is coming back to the game for cosmetics in the store

[bronze breach]

Hottake Gears 6 will cost $500 million to make

[jaunty yoke]

Heck, the first trailer for ODST actually says Halo 3 Recon in the video because it was still mostly recycles from an earlier game idea that got scrapped

[misty spindle]

I only recall the Halo DS, Halo MMORPG, the Halo 4 that was potentially going to be like Halo 3 but was scrapped for being "too traditional", and then I think they cancelled a VR game?

[elfin glacier]

Lemme make sure i'm using the right term here onesec

https://www.halopedia.org/Titan_(canceled_game)

During the early stages of Titan's development, Ensemble took inspiration from World of Warcraft's general structure and gameplay.[4] During production, the team at Ensemble consistently did evaluations of how successful they expected the game to be; at the time the only noteworthy science fiction MMO on the market was Eve Online, which had a very different style to more conventional MMOs. The analysis', conducted in conjunction with Microsoft, used the most critical and negative calculations possible and still estimated that the Halo MMO would earn just over a billion dollars at minimum - on account of the quality of Ensemble's team and the value of the Halo intellectual property at the time. Ultimately, the project was estimated to need three and a half years to finish, [6]

[jaunty yoke]

There was also a singleplayer decision-based game that was gonna come out along a Halo movie that got cancelled in favor of making another Halo game, which was first an idea about a game based on the Covenant, then a game based on Johnson, then a game based on marines, and finally settled for an ODST game
Also that cancelled Halo Mega Blocks thing

[misty spindle]

then what was the problem?

[misty spindle]

oh yeah Halo Mega Blocks 🤣 (it actually looked good though when I saw a video on YouTube tbh)

[hasty zinc]

I only recall the Halo DS
Halo DS wasn't a cancelled product. It was a pitch by a third party. It was just a reskinned James Bond game for the DS

[cloud raven]

how to instal reach eternal? I tried through vortex automatically, but that messed all my files

[ornate hatch]

hi

[jaunty yoke]

Halo DS was made without Microsoft's permission hoping they would give the developers permission, ultimately Microsoft said no.
Imagine how different story would be today if they had said yes, Halo might be multiplatform and Master Chief potentially may be in Smash Bros

[ornate hatch]

does anybody wanna play halo with me

[calm fiber]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[elfin glacier]

Part of this shift in leadership came in 2007, when Don Mattrick became the head of Microsoft Game Studios. As part of his hiring contract, Mattrick had three years to make the gaming part of Microsoft profitable which, if achieved, would see him given a substantial monetary bonus. As such, despite the potential long-term gains that the Halo MMO was forecasting, the development time was too long and wouldn't allow Mattrick to keep his bonus. Additionally, Ensemble Studios were a very expensive studio to run and Mattrick had personal investment in keeping around other studios such as Rare due to his personal connections - as such, he kept Ensemble around until Halo Wars released, then shut down Ensemble Studios to increase the profitability of Microsoft gaming - even at the cost of potential long-term profits. Ultimately, Mattrick never got the bonus due to his less successful endeavours with Xbox LIVE.[6]

[obsidian wyvern]

nerd

[bronze breach]

When was he replaced by phil?

Or am I mistaken

[elfin glacier]

👊

[misty spindle]

so if thats correct, then one man was the reason we never got a Halo MMO....

[tropic rain]

hi guys, does have meme channel in this server?

[jaunty yoke]

Don Mattrick is responsible for the worst things that happened to Xbox, including the Xbox One presentation, initial forced Kinect launch and overprice

[void magnet]

Good example of bad leadership trickling down to the health of the product

[obsidian wyvern]

no ser

[hasty zinc]

I'm still curious about who pitched it to MSFT

we'll probably never know though

[misty spindle]

Master Cheeks in SMASH

[jaunty yoke]

Kinda glad they changed now

[misty spindle]

sorry xD

[granite bramble]

Whats the june 6th coating called? Curious

[hearty flame]

Me

[granite bramble]

Tankwalker nvm

[jaunty yoke]

I really like that Microsoft allows modders to work along 343 to bring back cut content from past games into MCC in a similar way SEGA hires Sonic fans that made fangames to make ports of Sonic games into phones

[hasty zinc]

yeah the digsite project is awesome

[fickle drift]

ayo

[bronze breach]

While you see Nintendo issue cease and desist of fan pokemon games

[ornate hatch]

yeah lol

[misty spindle]

modders can make a game have infinite replayability without having to pay someone else to do it

and no that wasn't an infinite pun

[jaunty yoke]

Skyrim agrees

[misty spindle]

speaking of Nintendo cease and desist... they shut down a BR version of Mario and then made their own lol

[jaunty yoke]

Now if only mod support was given more attention in consoles

[jaunty yoke]

And worse in every way, and limited time only lol

[misty spindle]

makes money but less work so why not do it 🤷‍♂️ - Nintendo (probably)

[steady jolt]

Meep morp, zeeeep

[faint mantle]

That's computer for "My fans are dusty, clean 'em up!"

[bronze breach]

[jaunty yoke]

Now that Microsoft won the trial against the FTC, the final stone in the way is getting things clear with the CMA, either they get to an agreement or the merger will be complete in exchange of excluding Activision games out of the UK

[bronze breach]

I cant remember when I last cleaned my pc

[misty spindle]

you really think the UK would bow down to the rest of the world if they approved it

[bronze breach]

I think Microsoft will have a tough time in convincing the CMA

[faint mantle]

Yes, the Colonial Military Administration can be very stubborn

[bronze breach]

[jaunty yoke]

Like if this were to change everything

Did buying Bethesda suddenly make Xbox the number 1 videogame company that dethroned Sony and Nintendo? No? Then Activision won't be any different

[winter flame]

No more COD in the UK might increase productivity

[bronze breach]

CMA agreed it wont harm competition, their concern is limiting innovation to cloud gaming market I believe

[misty spindle]

just gives Microsoft more money rather than making it better in all honesty

[jaunty yoke]

Yep

[hearty flame]

Do first, apologize later

[jaunty yoke]

The money Microsoft must get from selling Minecraft alone must be huge

[misty spindle]

and yet Microsoft found a way to ruin things in Minecraft when they had to do nothing lol

[hearty flame]

How did Microsoft ruin Minecraft what

[queen remnant]

Microsoft is doing like a lot of big companies are doing

[misty spindle]

one example ruined: Anarchy Servers

(Servers meant to have no rules of any kind, although with the exception of DDOSing other players or stealing info for example)

[jaunty yoke]

I didn't find Minecraft Legends all that good but not all bad, an alright game, but since it's the Minecraft brand it was a commercial success

[smoky token]

Cosmic Horror

[smoky token]

I know a guy who animated most of the MC Legends assets

[hearty flame]

"I hate Microsoft because they added rules to their game" huh
Would ESRB not fine them if they never did this

[smoky token]

ESRB historically hasn’t ever covered online experience as part of their rating system

[misty spindle]

not to mention this was applied to Java which is only available on PC

so its not like Minecraft was ever needed to follow the whole 'Microsoft TOS" bs, they just did it out of spite lol

[hearty flame]

Yes but look at games like MMOs which are almost exclusively online and have ESRB ratings. Minecraft is most commonly played online by children as well.

[jaunty yoke]

Any game that has an online space with voice chat support where anyone could insult you would automatically be rated M by the ESRB is that were the case

[misty spindle]

and Minecraft didn't even have Voice Support, it just has text support lol

[bronze breach]

Didnt the sony ceo outright say he doesnt care about new call of duty games on ps, he just wants to block the merger?

[jaunty yoke]

Yes he did

[bronze breach]

Jokes

[smoky token]

ESRB covers what is actually in the game, not what users generate as part of the experience

[vapid siren]

man

this new job is mad boring lmao

[smoky token]

If someone calls me a racial slur in chat, that’s not covered by the ESRB

[misty spindle]

plus a lot of server owners were pissed because in Minecraft all the big servers pay big money for servers, and had their own ruleset but now Microsoft comes in and just gives em the finger lol

[smoky token]

If someone builds a giant statue of male genitalia in minecraft, that’s not covered by the ESRB

[bronze breach]

What's your new job?

[vapid siren]

tfw its a known thing in gamedev called time to phallus

[misty spindle]

technically if you were to invite a friend to your own server, and they reported you for anything you could've been at risk of been banned from your own server. that's an issue imo

[smoky token]

I did not know this actually

[vapid siren]

TTP is real

[jaunty yoke]

And the ESRB is more strict than other videogame rating systems. Whereas the ESRB always rated Halo games up to Halo 5 M for Mature, PEGI always rated Halo games PEGI 16, which is their equivalent to the T rating

[hearty flame]

I'm confused about these rulesets. What rules did Microsoft add that conflict with existing rules?

[vapid siren]

that and time to german windmill

[smoky token]

Which areas use PEGI as their regulatory board again?

EU?

[vapid siren]

uk at the very least

[misty spindle]

I recommend watching FitMC video on this ("Minecraft's New "Rules Are Terrible"). Its not exactly an over exaggeration if your someone who plays Minecraft Java

[vapid siren]

ok its uk and eu

[winter flame]

Pan European game information

I totally didn’t Google that

[smoky token]

Limiting user expression in all forms through content that has historically never been policed by any company that allows dedicated server hosting/modding in any form

[jaunty yoke]

People blame 343 for making Halo Infinite less violent and T rated when that wasn't 343's decision at all lol

[smoky token]

They’ve even started to get rid of mods with guns on Curseforge and things of that nature, which IMO is absurd

[misty spindle]

THEY GOT RID OF GUNS IN MINECRAFT? WHY?

[bronze breach]

Halo was never violent?

[smoky token]

Back in the day the main issue the ESRB had was the excessive use of blood and gore in Halo, which led to the M rating

and by gore I mostly mean the flood

[hasty zinc]

https://tenor.com/bzfdR.gif

[jaunty yoke]

For me Halo was never too violent, but some say the Flood being dismembered and having tons of blood was a lot

[winter flame]

Remember when Minecraft had herobrine who would haunt you and mojang kept trying to remove? Yeah he was totally real trust me

[normal owl]

the dreaded Exfoliation Protocol.

[smoky token]

that too

[bronze breach]

Gears of War is violent for sure. But halo is far from it. Total opposite

[hearty flame]

I don't think whether or not the rules existed before is a good enough argument to stop rules being made to protect youth, which is clearly the endgoal

[queen remnant]

The game was always teen (16) in other regulations like PEGI

[void magnet]

Remaining M rated was a conscious decision that Bungie decided was important for the game. They had the opportunity to remove/reduce some aspects to get a T rating but ultimately decided not to

[bronze breach]

I'm still waiting for Gears 5 Forge mode, The Coalition!

[misty spindle]

I hate these arguments of "to protect the youth".
You have 1) a mute button 2) the ability to monitor your kid 3) the ability to prevent your kid from playing online in the first place

Also these new rules also don't add in a censor system for chat, so even if you ban the person the child in question is still exposed to it anyways

[winter flame]

Probably the most graphic thing in halo up to that point. Flood prior to halo 2A just wasn’t detailed enough to be very graphic

[jaunty yoke]

But Bungie's Halo games were rated PEGI 16 in Europe, meaning they were not violent enough for the standards of other countries, just America

[smoky token]

Protecting youth from certain chat messages via filters I can understand, or even enabling age filtering for certain servers based on MS account age, but totally banning people from certain servers and ways of play this way is unnecessary and kinda crappy of MS in general

[smoky token]

which is… kinda backwards, lol

[misty spindle]

honestly as someone who was 8 years old (and to this day still hate gore/blood) Halo 3 or any Halo for that matter never got me terrified of blood ever lol

[smoky token]

usually you see the opposite

[vapid siren]

oh are we malding about how Halo is rated T

[smoky token]

speak for yourself, I had nightmares for years after playing 343GS in CE when I was young

[jaunty yoke]

No one is, you have kids playing GTA and Mortal Kombat like any day

[smoky token]

Seriously that level was creepy as hell

[misty spindle]

well I played 3 not CE as my first Halo game 😅

[smoky token]

Interestingly I was terrified of CE and 3 but not 2

[misty spindle]

which is why I honestly laugh at people concerned about "kids being exposed to stuff" when they willingly want to see it anyways and their parents let em lol

[void magnet]

I’m saying that they decided not to tone down aspects from their original vision to meet a rating that is nowadays presented as a requirement for certain goals. PEGI 16 seems like a reasonable rating

[jaunty yoke]

Alien Isolation, underground nest at the bottom of the ship, try going there

[smoky token]

The only games that have come close to that level of terror i’ve felt since have been Dead Space and The Forest

[round laurel]

Ah... terrifying memories.

[void magnet]

I think some of the infection animations in 3 were a bit more brutal but yea that was freaky for sure

[viral mauve]

How to make the ultimate jackals sniper: give it the strongest shield, armor, sniper, and augmentation.

[jaunty yoke]

I was really expecting Scorn to be genuinely scary, but it only managed to be gross

[bronze breach]

Or give covenant spartan augmentation

[queen remnant]

That was the intention

[viral mauve]

Imagine if the flood infected him ^

[balmy lance]

Reach

[jaunty yoke]

Massive points for the art style of Scorn tho, that's how a modernized version of the Flood should look like

[queen remnant]

Then they put a bad combat system for no reason at all

[bronze breach]

Destiny scorn?

[queen remnant]

Scorn the game

[misty spindle]

Just googled it. oh HELL no

[bronze breach]

Oh

[winter flame]

How epic would it be if Chief somehow got infected and becomes a boss flood and you get to fight humanity until they light the rings and that’s the end of halo 😄

[void magnet]

Personally really interested to see how MS will handle COD if their merger goes through. I’d imagine one of the first things they’d do is remove proximity voice chat

[queen remnant]

They took mostly inspiration of the artstyle H.R. Giger to make the game

[misty spindle]

well it got removed from Halo so lol

[ocean tangle]

How to kill a franchise for a second time

[bronze breach]

Nothing will change.

Once merger goes through

[jaunty yoke]

They are not going to touch the franchises, they're gonna let the developers do what they always do and take the money

[misty spindle]

Minecraft

[winter flame]

All good things must end eventually

[void magnet]

MS has policies that can impact the games themselves

[misty spindle]

technically you cant even swear on Xbox services which is dumb imo lol

[jaunty yoke]

Sometimes it annoys me how much of a nice guy Microsoft can be, they appraoched to Rare ONCE about making a new Banjo/Kazooie game, Rare didn't feel like it, and Microsoft didn't push them to make one, but rather let them be

[winter flame]

They just ban you from using comms which is fair

[misty spindle]

yeah but for swearing in general?

[winter flame]

It’s their platform man

[forest lagoon]

Not just general, other channels too

[void magnet]

I honestly don’t care for swearing but let me just opt in to chat with whoever I want

[bronze breach]

What I dont get is Gears is full of profanity but you cant use it in text chat. I'm like what

[jaunty yoke]

Killer Instinct 2013 was amazing, 10 years later and still no sequel 😢

[misty spindle]

Battlebit did amazing with their voice chat. I ran into some funny moments and so far haven't ran into 1 toxic player yet

most "toxic" thing I heard in Battlebit was being told to F off for sniping em LOL

[winter flame]

There’s profanity and profanity. It’s easier just to blanket ban profanity then have things you can and can’t say

[hearty flame]

Is Battlebit really just a Roblox game that managed to escape Roblox

[queen remnant]

Oh battlebit has voice chat? That means another game to deactivate all of it

[misty spindle]

proximity chat 😄

[bronze breach]

I wish there was lobby text chat as opposed to team chat. I want to bait people

[void magnet]

Generally people are hilarious and funny, (unless you’re a woman, depressing how much garbage they have to deal with)

[winter flame]

In reality you very rarely are gonna get actioned for saying a bad word in voice chat in a game like halo or gears

[jaunty yoke]

Friendly reminder Xbox is the only console that bothered to make Roblox available for their consoles

[queen remnant]

Still going to deactivate it

[misty spindle]

good thing its on Steam and not Xbox

[misty spindle]

im shocked Nintendo didn't do it

[winter flame]

I suspect you would have to be saying something quite offensive or towards someone to get banned

[jaunty yoke]

I was honestly shocked to learn PS5 doesn't have Minecraft, I thought it was everywhere. Even less reasons to get one by the second

[void magnet]

It doesn’t?

[forest lagoon]

I had fun back in the MGS4 days when you could text chat open or team.
I would "accidentally" type a call out/plan in open chat as a set up. Good times

[misty spindle]

or just get spam reported by an opposing squad who is made you killed em, bagged em, then told em your favorite F word lol

[jaunty yoke]

Nope

[winter flame]

It’s on PS5 via back compat

[misty spindle]

still happens in CS lol

[hearty flame]

Nintendo is too family friendly for that

[jaunty yoke]

In the recent trial it was revealed Minecraft is not natively on PS5 because Sony didn't send the devkits

[winter flame]

Minecraft on Xbox barely has any any current gen enhancements anyway

[void magnet]

💀

[winter flame]

It runs pretty much the same on One X and Series X

[dull trellis]

Hey guys !

[misty spindle]

what exactly can a console do to enhance a minecraft experience

[winter flame]

Higher fps?

It’s still capped at 60

[smoky token]

Minecraft’s rendering engine is highly malleable

[misty spindle]

not Java 🤣

[hearty flame]

Funny how the petulant child company has a tantrum about competition and exclusivity when it actively keeps games out of its platform

[jaunty yoke]

I played Halo Infinite on the Xbox One, then uninstalled it and started playing it through the cloud because Series X version better right? But that just might be me, but I couldn't really tell the difference

[misty spindle]

I got 2000 FPS on Java Hypixel 😄

[smoky token]

on PC you can replace it with hundreds of different rendering engines and shaders for free

increases performance, makes the game look different

packages like SeuS PTGI completely revamp the lighting engine

[misty spindle]

or new abilities in general like being able to zoom in

[smoky token]

C2ME makes chunks load more efficiently by a factor of a hundred

[winter flame]

Tbh infinite on Xbox One X is basically the same as on Series X in MP at 60fps

[bronze breach]

Trolling is against xbox code of conduct?

Since when lol

[misty spindle]

I forgot what its called for MC, but sweaty bedwars players use a zoom in system to see things closer sorta

[void magnet]

They’re protecting their interests. I don’t own a PS console but everything they’re doing makes sense 🤷‍♂️

[smoky token]

Sodium, Lithium, and Phosphorus all increased FPS in different ways

[smoky token]

it was part of the Optifine rendering package

[jaunty yoke]

And they make their consoles so different to one another for no reason. One of the main selling points of the Xbox One and Series X is that they have backwars compatibility all the way back to the OG Xbox. PS5 meanwhile, a select few PS4 games are in there, from PS1 to PS3? Yeaaah nothing
Whatever happened to videogame preservation

[misty spindle]

ah that was it. Optifine

[winter flame]

Series X has 120fps but you don’t get that through xcloud

[hearty flame]

Ah, yes, keep Minecraft off of your platform to promote your interests.

[misty spindle]

Cloud gaming in general I thought has bad performance compared to a Console or PC

[void magnet]

If PS games never came to PC I could see myself buying one eventually

[smoky token]

Optifine is still popular but since it’s built on Forge people widely consider it outdated and unoptimized. Most people I’ve seen these days use Iris + Sodium, which is on the Fabric API

[hearty flame]

You see why that's a stupid thing to have to do though, right?

[jaunty yoke]

Bloodborne, the "best game of all time", is ignored by Sony, it's on PS4, but guess what? NOT ON PS5

[elfin glacier]

Gibberish

[misty spindle]

makes me wonder if Hytale will have features Optifine used to have on launch without mods

[void magnet]

I don’t admire them but I don’t really have a horse in the Sony VS MS race. Just some fun drama for me personally

[hearty flame]

It's not about Sony vs MS, it's about consumer freedom

[misty spindle]

lets be real there is not really much consumer freedom anymore for us in the console situation

[winter flame]

Xbox did the same when they were top dog. they actually took PC franchises and made them console exclusive (halo and gears)

[bronze breach]

CMA and the Us court saw no harm to consumers

[hearty flame]

Tbh console players put themselves there

[misty spindle]

PS will have exclusives and Xbox will have exclusives, that'll never change lol

[void magnet]

It’s lame but if I was liquid enough and saw something I really liked, I’d go for it

[smoky token]

Ahmp-Di Fligugu Gi
Fligugigu fligugigu ah fl-eee
Fligugu Gi
Ahmp Fligugigugi
Fligugigugigugi

[jaunty yoke]

By either way you slice it, ever since Microsoft got Mojang in 2014 they haven't been forced to put Minecraft in any other system that isn't theirs, but they do it because money and accesibility

[hearty flame]

Keep it English please

[round laurel]

But ya see, it's only bad when Sony do it!

[winter flame]

Imagine you’re a PC gamer invested in an IP and then Xbox tells you to buy a console to keep playing them

[smoky token]

Hey Mama Lucifer!

[hearty flame]

Xbox wouldn't do that though? All first party Xbox games are released on PC now

[misty spindle]

its hypocrtical when both sides argue

[smoky token]

https://youtu.be/aNLJ04DtgTA

[bronze breach]

Gears was always an xbox game. But then was later released on gfwl

[winter flame]

They literally did it with Gears and Halo in the 2000s lol

[hearty flame]

There's just no way that we can win, that was a masterpiece 😦 He rocks too hard because he's not a mortal man

[bronze breach]

Gears 2 and 3 and J never on pc

[void magnet]

Eh is it really? I don’t see Xbox as a much better company to hold the keys to certain IPs. We’re getting good value from them right now because they’re really far behind in the gaming space

[hearty flame]

Yeah and they don't do that now

[jaunty yoke]

Didn't Sony do that? Final Fantasy has been multiplatform for the longest time up to the 15th entry, and suddenly the 16th one is PS5 exclusive

[foggy ingot]

Bring Halo back to the Mac let's gooooo

[smoky token]

https://vxtwitter.com/cjones3d/status/1678772727413616641?s=46&t=EsfAsdhUoldfJcyweGd1aw

whoa!!!

this is so cool

[winter flame]

Yeah they changed course when they started getting massively outsold by PlayStation

[jaunty yoke]

Which is even shadier because Sony doesn't even own Square Enix, but they make permanent console exclusivity deals with them

[misty spindle]

meanwhile I can't make chibi characters for my tennis game in progress lol

[fickle drift]

grunts

[hearty flame]

Reasoning aside, they still did it.

[winter flame]

It’s not timed console exclusive?

[jaunty yoke]

For one year before it comes to PC and only PC, any other console?

At least Microsoft only made Stalker 2 an Xbox and PC exclusive for 3 months and not a year

[hearty flame]

Six month exclusive

[fickle drift]

who here has managed to complete halo 2 on legendary?

[jaunty yoke]

Me, and LASO too

[bronze breach]

I never finished a campaign on normal

[winter flame]

We don’t yet know if Microsoft will take long standing franchises exclusive

[fickle drift]

that bad eh?

[bronze breach]

Yep

[fickle drift]

lol jk

its the fun that counts thats why videogames were made

[bronze breach]

And infinite is the first game that I bought game and never even got past mission 2 and just watched cutscenes on launch week

[winter flame]

I think it’s all shady tbh I just don’t think the Xbox good guys take has much weight

[jaunty yoke]

Microsoft has already said they don't like the concept of exclusives, but they are forced to do it to have an actual horse in this race

[bronze breach]

You could say it was a waste of money lol

[void magnet]

From the publisher perspective, taking a Sony deal was the best option. They look at market share and other factors before taking those deals and unfortunately for Xbox (and us) Microsoft really screwed up badly last gen and you can’t really blame anyone but MS for mishandling

[misty spindle]

10 years from now they might change lol

[fickle drift]

i love to go sightseeing on infinite lol

[winter flame]

Easy to say when you’re the underdog. They did what was in their best interest when they were on top

[jaunty yoke]

Only if they became the number 1 in 10 years

[fickle drift]

What's this weeks weekly challenge item

[fickle drift]

i stopped when it affected my mental health lol

[misty spindle]

idk why they dropped the ball so hard on the Xbox One era

[round laurel]

Exactly... 'good guy MS,' laughable honestly.

[granite solar]

Can we get some Halo 4 btb forge remakes please. I would love to see Exile, Perdition, Vortex, Outcast, Longbow, etc be remade

[jaunty yoke]

Xbox 360 had all to win against the PS3 but still lost, how?

[winter flame]

It didn’t lose

[fickle drift]

it won. right?

[jaunty yoke]

The Playstation is in similar spot to the iPhone where just the brand will sell

[meager rover]

Halo 4, gears of war judgement and then it went downhill

[granite solar]

The pS3 cought up at literally the end of the gen. It lost the majority of it

[misty spindle]

thats just gaming in general tbh

[jaunty yoke]

No, the 360 didn't beat the PS3, it had the upper hand for some years, but ultimately lost

[round laurel]

Turns out advertising your new console with an emphasis on TV doesn't work out well.

[void magnet]

They tried grimy business tactics too early. They might’ve gotten away with it if they held on to their spot in the gaming space for longer

[misty spindle]

im still sad though about how downhill Xbox went...

Xbox 360 was huge when it had things like XBLA, Halo 3/Reach, 1 vs 100 XBL, and other things like that

[granite solar]

The PS3 only caught up at the end of the gen

[jaunty yoke]

Basically the PS3 at first did a lot of the same mistakes the Xbox One did, but Sony was forgiven for that and Microsoft wasn't

[jaunty yoke]

That's still winning

[misty spindle]

and that probably changed things for the next gen too

[bronze breach]

Do we know how much it cost to make halo games on the 360 era?

[granite solar]

Not really as the next gen had already started, by the time the PS3 caught up to the 360

[hearty flame]

arguing an almost 20 year old debate on which was better
Fact of the matter is that the 360 and ps3 are dead consoles and irrelevant to today's argument because they came at a time where first party exclusives mattered the most. Now they don't really matter as much as they used to.

[real hemlock]

@rare cedar okay so hear me out.. infection, but instead of spartans you play as suicide unggoys and when the other team gets a headshot they have the grunt birthday party effect

[misty spindle]

apparently its estimated that Halo 3 costed $60 million (including marketing budget)

[elfin glacier]

I mean that's kinda an impossible question to answer

[jaunty yoke]

By merit alone the original Xbox should have won against the PS2 because it was a better console in every way, but it also lost

[elfin glacier]

Less than half of h2? ($120m marketing + development)

[misty spindle]

its what google says 🤷‍♂️

[bronze breach]

I was just curious because I recall reading something that Gears Judgment costed $60 million to make

Wandered about halo as well back then

[misty spindle]

doesn't take a billion dollars to make a good game

[hearty flame]

The PS2 was a better console where it counted: It could play movies. That's why it massively outsold every other console ever.

It was also easier to be introduced to because it wasn't as big or bricky and had fan favourites on it, and had some merit in the Playstation.

[jaunty yoke]

And without an exclusive. Because while the most sold game in the PS2 was the multiplatform GTA San Andreas, the most sold game in the Xbox was the exclusive Halo 2

[hearty flame]

External media has been a large factor in some golden era consoles, it's why the Wii sold so much for such a long time

[granite bramble]

I appreciate the help earlier

[misty spindle]

well that and the Wii Exclusives were good + unique controller experience that was also good

[granite bramble]

Time to grind this weekly ult

[jaunty yoke]

Also, the original Xbox supports movies too

[misty spindle]

can someone just build a time machine to go back to the Wii / PS3 / X360 era

[granite bramble]

I wish

[jaunty yoke]

NO

Nostalgia makes you think that was a great time for videogames when in reality it had most of the same problems we still have nowadays

[hearty flame]

Yeah but you needed the remote to do that. That's extra dogwater when you can just but the PS2 and it oes it from the getgo.

[round laurel]

I don't think I could play older MP games without dedicated server support at this point.

[misty spindle]

yeah but even back then I wasn't complaining about many things compared to now

[hearty flame]

Like remember when the Xbox 360 needed a dongle to connect to wifi when I'm pretty sure the PS3 did it from the start? What a joke

[misty spindle]

hell I am still pissed Xbox canned the 1vs100 game show and Sony removed Playstation Home

[jaunty yoke]

Back then you weren't complaining about paying 10 dollars for 3 new multiplayer maps in Halo 3 because it was a novelty, now in this current year after all the microtransactions and loot boxes it seems bad

[granite bramble]

Will the hazmat event stuff ever come back?

[misty spindle]

tbh even comparing the two I'd rather pay $60 for campaign + multiplayer than another $10 for maps

Halo Infinite its $60 for the Campaign alone now lol

and lets be real, if you even care about the storyline your gonna pay the $60 anyways so you get less bang for your buck

[jaunty yoke]

Any AAA singleplayer game was $60

Now $70

[misty spindle]

thats just inflation (+ greed lol) :/

[jaunty yoke]

Now, I mean videogames cost $70 now

[hasty zinc]

I'm surprised it stayed at $60 for as long as it did

[misty spindle]

well yeah I know that... Diablo 4 costs $70 now which is insane

[jaunty yoke]

I'll tell you what is insane

[misty spindle]

I am too but the sad thing is most games now are not as good as they were back then when it costed $60 lol

[hasty zinc]

that's subjective

[jaunty yoke]

Sony and Microsoft thinking Forspoken and Redfall respectively were ready to release
THAT'S WHAT IS INSANE

[hearty flame]

Yeah, Halo Infinite and other games that double dip are just awful

[bronze breach]

Games are now more complex to make than since 360 gen

[misty spindle]

why is that auto deleting itself
(I meant games like Cyberpunk, Fallout 76, No Man Sky (on launch), and Battlefield)

[jaunty yoke]

Starfield is already getting preordered like crazy so pray to the gods it works at launch

[hearty flame]

Tons of games getting released these days in unfinished states, and for no reason other than to be petty.

[hearty flame]

Calling it now, Starfield is gonna flop so hard.

[misty spindle]

I think the same

[jaunty yoke]

Flop means commercially failing, not critically

[bronze breach]

I'm sure phil said the entire QA team at Xbox was playing it to make sure bugs are minimal

[queen remnant]

Bugs are still going to appear tho

[bronze breach]

No doubt

[hearty flame]

Mm. You're right. Starfield is not going to flop, it will be a commercial success. However the game will be a critical failure.

[bronze breach]

Always is.

[misty spindle]

bugs vs the game being broken is different though

[jaunty yoke]

Bugless games don't exist that's just given

[hasty zinc]

but least buggiest bethesda game is always a good thing

[queen remnant]

But if they are testing it and try to make it as minimal as possible then that's good

[void spruce]

it may be less buggy but it dont mean bug free.

[misty spindle]

the main fear I have for new games now is they release broken and unfinished lol

[hasty zinc]

curious, why do you think that?

[round laurel]

Oddly enough, Bethesda games have always been relatively bug free for me. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

[jaunty yoke]

If Skyrim managed to win GOTY even being as broken as it is

[misty spindle]

thats a bad sign LOL

[fickle drift]

squad battle uses the old maps from halo 3 im very much in love

[round laurel]

It's great, loving it so far.

I'm hoping they add some more maps.

[jaunty yoke]

And remember, most of the things that give Halo 2 the depth that makes people think it's so awesome are bugs
From button combos to sword flying to butterfly skipping

[misty spindle]

BXB BABYYYYYY

[misty spindle]

tbf though, Halo Infinite has the options to keep the fun bugs but remove em now for "competitive integrity"

[bronze breach]

Like scorpion gun

[fickle drift]

same here i hope it stays as a mode forever !

[misty spindle]

idk why they HAD to remove the scorpion gun

[jaunty yoke]

Well, when someone starts exploiting a glitch they know how to do but you don't then it becomes a problem that breaks things

[bronze breach]

Isnt it in btb heavies now as scorpion tail?

[misty spindle]

yeah but is the scorpion gun one of em for a single player experience :/

[round laurel]

Didn't they add the scorpion gun back?

[jaunty yoke]

The scorpion gun was added back to the campaign, they only removed it out of the game for like a month and a half

[misty spindle]

didn't they remove other things though?

[jaunty yoke]

It is back

[misty spindle]

I recall speed runs got all jacked up cause of things getting removed

[bronze breach]

Scorpion gun is in btb heavies as well

[round laurel]

I remember certain jumps being removed in the same patch, yes.

[jaunty yoke]

Yeah they removed a superbounce you could do with fusion coils but for good reason

Doing that made all the enemies respawn

[bronze breach]

Good

[misty spindle]

but if its a single player experience is it really bad to keep

if you know the bug exists and wanna do it, why not let em

[jaunty yoke]

Well imagine this: you are about to claim an FOB, only one enemy reamins, you superbounce and when you land back suddenly all the enemies are back alive

[misty spindle]

is that really a "bad" thing though? seems like the super bounce is hard to find by "accident" as a casual player to "ruin the experience"

[jaunty yoke]

Depends on who you ask

A bug is a bug in the eyes of any developer, even if players use them for fun

[queen remnant]

iirc it was also messing a lot with enemies spawns that can get you stuck in the level

[hasty zinc]

person sees funny bug on yt, person recreates funny bug, funny bug has unintended consequences and messes with the persons game, person gets mad and yells and submits tickets

[proper shell]

I hope that with Microsoft about to own Activision that we get a reboot of the Prototype series.

[hasty zinc]

devs go, hmm, yeah this not good.. fixes bug

[bronze breach]

Me reads the tickets, laughs and closes said ticket

[jaunty yoke]

Yeah

[misty spindle]

speaking of tickets.... still never had the voice chat bug fixed since Halo Infinite S1 😦

[bronze breach]

I just ordered a ticket

[jaunty yoke]

In a perfect world developers would only release personal bug fixes for the personal copy of the game of one person, but it's too much to ask, updates are for everyone

[bronze breach]

A train ticket that is

[vapid siren]

super bounce is pretty busted in infinite

[misty spindle]

yeah but you think the voice chat would be a concern to fix

[vapid siren]

like its basically instant teleportation across the map if done right

[winter flame]

My guess was the tank gun letting you cheese through LASO was why they patched it. But the community consensus was tank gun is more important then LASO being hard which is hard to judge

[hasty zinc]

are you talking about geometry launches?

[obsidian wyvern]

yes and they brought back the jumps

[jaunty yoke]

It will be fixed on time. I had the bug in season 3 where the intro would play again every time I booted up the game and days before season 4 it was fixed

[vapid siren]

my understanding was that that's what were calling it in infinite

[hasty zinc]

I think superbounces were a specific thing right?

[misty spindle]

tbh I lost faith when I submitted the bug with video and screenshot evidence since S1 and not much changed

(especially since it seems not many people seem to notice or care)

[hasty zinc]

I think in infinite it's just getting caught in the terrain geometry and pushing you out

like the halo 3 guardian one IIRC

I could be wrong of course, but that's what I've gathered

[obsidian wyvern]

https://vxtwitter.com/UberNick/status/1672728417144389633

[winter flame]

It’s still a bounce in that you have to have momentum into the gap ig?

[hasty zinc]

I guess so

[misty spindle]

is that the lateset version of super bounces

[jaunty yoke]

When you make a game and look for bugs, there is a pyramid of bug priorities
Massive bugs that can happen to everyone related to locking story progression or the similar are the priority to fix, while smaller not game breaking bugs that are only seen in a handful of players usually come last on the list

[vapid siren]

either way thats... pretty busted

[hasty zinc]

yeah

[vapid siren]

funny, but should be patched cause that's just way beyond extra

[misty spindle]

I get that but it seems hard to have faith in a bug team if they still haven't done much about it for almost 2 years

[hasty zinc]

I wonder how long it would take me to recreate that clip

[vapid siren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hasty zinc]

bout to find out

[winter flame]

Maybe they could leave it in some places but patch where it allows for crazy map transversals

[vapid siren]

nah all or nothing

[misty spindle]

I doubt they'd have the ability to do that tbh

[obsidian wyvern]

if they got rid of snap sliding, no way this is staying

[vapid siren]

the only time you should really be able to go that far that fast is with a grapple or by literally teleporting with a quantum

[winter flame]

Just changing the geometry map by map pretty much

[vapid siren]

a curbslide isnt even that strong

[jaunty yoke]

It's not as easy to do something like arbitrarly patching a bug online but keeping it for offline, it's just not how it works

[obsidian wyvern]

a snap slide is different, no?

[vapid siren]

snap was a more powerful version of curb yes

because we're so good at naming slides

[obsidian wyvern]

idk its just the first person to find it gives whatever name

[jaunty yoke]

Yeah pretty much everyone has agreed that superbounces will be patched

[winter flame]

Just call it the infinite bounce

[vapid siren]

snap allowed much longer distances covered and worked up and down slopes whereas curb could only be initiated by falling down a small ledge

hence "curb"

[obsidian wyvern]

they got rid of curb didnt they

[misty spindle]

if 343 couldn't change weapons on weapon pads a year ago for HCS, I don't think they would change the geometry of each map tbh

[vapid siren]

it was nerfed a bit

[obsidian wyvern]

yeah i dont go flying off ramps like before

[fickle drift]

Was it intentional tho?

[winter flame]

Any upwards incline kills ur slide as off S4

It’s kinda sad

[tight remnant]

i dont like the nerfs to curb ramps

[jaunty yoke]

You know what bothers me about the upcoming MCC update? The only thing Halo 4 is getting is campaign theater, Reach and CE get nothing
Like, "hey folks, all that cut content, new maps and gamemodes and cool stuff? Just for Halo 2 and 3, the rest are not of our matter"

[misty spindle]

isn't CE getting that soccer map

[winter flame]

I would wait until the update is out

[jaunty yoke]

That's for Halo 2

[misty spindle]

ah

[obsidian wyvern]

my game was showing this to be 1.2k (the 3 bundles in one)

[dreamy stirrup]

?????

Reach is getting 8 player FF

CE is getting Acrophobia

neither of which are trivial in the slightest

[cedar turret]

You know what bugs me about this free update to this 9 year old game! it isn't enough!

[vapid siren]

lol

[dreamy stirrup]

because you own one

[vapid siren]

lmao

[dreamy stirrup]

i think

[obsidian wyvern]

oh right lol

[misty spindle]

$22 for cosmetics bundle 💀

geeeeeeeeez I haven't looked in the store in a while

[dreamy stirrup]

it's literally 3 bundles in one that would normally cost like 3400 or something

but if you aren't interested in it that's fine and it's not for you 🙂

[misty spindle]

I get its a bundle but still that seems kinda alot for a cosmetic

[jaunty yoke]

Looking forward for the day Halo Infinite gets to the content point where I can say "yeah this is enough"

[queen remnant]

You can buy those bundles seperately in the store too

[misty spindle]

well at least it isn't "all or nothing" with the FOMO factor

[cedar turret]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dumbass-missed-point-stupid-gif-5785598

[jaunty yoke]

At least they're only monetizing customizationg and not gameplay which is a positive
Gone are the days of paying money for new maps

[tight remnant]

the citrus shoulders give me canadarm vibes

[misty spindle]

imo there really isn't much else Halo Infinite could add that would be mindblowing that I can think of besides Multi-Team compared to past Halo's

[obsidian wyvern]

assault modes pls

[round laurel]

Firefight? Forge AI?

[tight remnant]

warzone

[jaunty yoke]

I'll be happy wih firefight

[misty spindle]

eh I guess Forge AI true

[obsidian wyvern]

more weapons and vehicles

[tight remnant]

as in halo 5 levels of

[obsidian wyvern]

no

[queen remnant]

No

[round laurel]

I wouldn't hope for Forge AI but it'd be incredible if it ever happened.

[obsidian wyvern]

halo 5 had too many weapons with all the variants

[round laurel]

Although people have been asking for it since Halo 3

[misty spindle]

they confirmed to be doing it I thought

[obsidian wyvern]

^

[tight remnant]

too many? nah

[round laurel]

I'm not sure if that was a leak or not

[jaunty yoke]

Definitely more vehicles

[obsidian wyvern]

no they confirmed it iirc

[winter flame]

I’m thinking new modes, I hope they’re doing like 5 different variants of “plant the bomb” mode and that’s why it’s taking a while

[queen remnant]

They confirmed multiple times about AI forge

[misty spindle]

no such thing as too many weapons in Halo

just don't add em all on every map 🤣

[jaunty yoke]

And they could make something crazy like idk, a team deathmatch where everyone is a Grunt or something

[tight remnant]

if you combine 5's sandbox with infinite's forge, you could come up with some amazing customs i feel

[misty spindle]

eh I guess it would be nice to see the Splaser, Needler Riffle, Grenade Launcher return

[queen remnant]

I can see more the grenade launcher than these two returning

Well, maybe the needler rifle but kinda changed

[void magnet]

Is there a way to disable AR headshot multi in customs/forge scripting?

[misty spindle]

I don't see the reason why they need to change weapons if it wont be in every map or in HCS tbh

[jaunty yoke]

I actually have an idea that is a little too ambitious:
Invasion 2.0
Big map with AI, 2 teams, team 1 has to get an activation index, get to a control room and fire a Halo ring, team 2 needs to stop them

[misty spindle]

not like Splaser was in MLG 🤣

[tight remnant]

warzone instead

[queen remnant]

The splaser literally is a instakill for vehicles
In a game that you have more tools to kill or disable vehicles, do you want that or

[misty spindle]

so Warzone + Invasion with a Halo Ring to blow up

[jaunty yoke]

You know those really big 60 player all out battles that Battlefield and Battlefront have, Halo could use some of that

[winter flame]

I felt mlg splazing poor souls in halo 3

[obsidian wyvern]

splaser in 4v4 could work

[queen remnant]

360º splaser

[void magnet]

Also that generator defense mode

Will we be seeing that in matchmaking?

[winter flame]

Think the article said only customs

[tight remnant]

i think i met some of my closest friends on warzone

[misty spindle]

too bad Infinite has no mods 😦

[winter flame]

But firefight now works in CGB

[round laurel]

That's cool. Did you meet them through LFG or just through match voice chat?

[jaunty yoke]

That mode was in matchmaking back in the Reach beta, they changed it to a firefight mode because it suited better for fighting AIs like a "protect the objective" campaign objective

[round laurel]

Oops sorry for ping

[tight remnant]

in-game

[round laurel]

Yeah it's nice when you meet people that way.

[jaunty yoke]

Machinimas are not popular anymore are they?

[misty spindle]

not really

[tight remnant]

and when you meet them in real life

[obsidian wyvern]

theres like 2 people left doing them on infinite

[round laurel]

I don't think so? Although people are going bananas over RvB still.

[misty spindle]

RvB is ending I thought

[winter flame]

BTB probably more so then arena needs some interesting modes, perhaps warzone inspired

[misty spindle]

also RvB got boring for me when they did animations tbh

[jaunty yoke]

I love Halo 4 but between changes and changes it was a shame that it ruined machinima making because you could lower your weapon but any action you'd perform would make your Spartan lift it back up

[obsidian wyvern]

i missed this one
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1678795990113894403

Tom Warren (@tomwarren)

BREAKING: Microsoft and UK regulators agree to pause their Activision battle to negotiate. It looks like the CMA is ready to talk about a potential remedy in the UK. Details here: https://t.co/mH7T5na710

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[misty spindle]

idk how CMA has any leverage over Microsoft at this point tbh

[obsidian wyvern]

wdym

oh nvm nvm

i misread

[winter flame]

Because the UK market is worth more then Activision is to Xbox probably

[jaunty yoke]

I know exactly what the problem with Infinite BTB is
It feels claustrophobic
Halo 5 Warzone had 24 players much like Infinite BTB, but it felt bigger

[tight remnant]

You'd think the UNSC would have complete control by now.

Like what year is this? 2510?

[winter flame]

But I mean it’s likely Xbox will just make some concessions

[slender ledge]

I think so

[obsidian wyvern]

🤨

[misty spindle]

I feel if Microsoft isn't satisfied with what the CMA wants, they can give the CMA and the UK their favorite finger (obviously the thumb), and pull out their games

[round laurel]

That... sounds like a terrible idea.

[jaunty yoke]

They don't but there's an astheric to it
Microsoft could finish the merger now if they want, but with the CMA on a disagreement it would come in exchange of excluding future Activision game releases out of the UK

[slender ledge]

Why the thumb

[misty spindle]

uhhhhhh should I tell him what the joke was (sweats nervously)

[slender ledge]

Sure

[void magnet]

I mean if the CMA continues to be a blocker, it’s not an unreasonable result

[obsidian wyvern]

thats not gonna happen

[obsidian wyvern]

yes it is lol

[misty spindle]

you really think Microsoft would cancel the merger or change things drastically to bow down to the UK?

[obsidian wyvern]

yes

[slender ledge]

Yes

[jaunty yoke]

Microsoft would look for the resolution that guarantees them the most money, and having the UK on their side would mean just that

[void magnet]

Maybe not “unreasonable” it’s not an “incomprehensible” result

[obsidian wyvern]

the uk market is bigger than you realise

[misty spindle]

if the CMA demands something that Microsoft feels is not worth it, they'll pull out

but I doubt the CMA would take that gamble

[jaunty yoke]

Rest assure

It's possible the CMA won't be causing much trouble now

[obsidian wyvern]

msft may threaten to do it, i think they already have tbh, but they wouldnt pull out the uk. no way

[misty spindle]

I don't see how they can if the US + the rest of EU + Asia is on board

[jaunty yoke]

Yesterday they admitted that they had in fact kept contact with the FTC (probably because they knew the FTC would lose the trial and wanted no part of it). So it's not too much of a stretch to think that now that they have opened up to negotiations that they will ultimately give the greenlight

[tiny portal]

What we talking about?

[obsidian wyvern]

idk how accurate this is

[winter flame]

It’s just money. Pull IPs you just spent billions on out of the UK or agree with the CMA to sell off some Activision assets? It’s quite likely they will find a better option then pulling so many IPs out of such a huge market

[obsidian wyvern]

and thats just sales

[vapid siren]

uk has a lot of gamers

[misty spindle]

they do but the US approval means Microsoft has a huge edge now

[vapid siren]

its no us market,b ut they are pretty decently sized

[winter flame]

Companies don’t tend to make decisions to spite countries believe it or not. They will do whatever is in their best financial interests

[jaunty yoke]

Trust me
If China had not agreed with the deal convincing them would be Microsoft's top priority without a second of rest
China is one of the biggest markets in the world

[slender ledge]

Yeah

[misty spindle]

lot harder to pirate online games tbh. Probably gonna have people try to bring in games made in other countries instead

[round laurel]

I don't think they would. UK revenue is significant (https://www.cell.com/heliyon/pdf/S2405-8440(22)00247-X.pdf ), and there is a thing such as consumer trust. If you pull out of a market in which millions of customers use your product or service, then it's going to make it difficult to go back in again with the same level of response.

[jaunty yoke]

Your biggest concern now are Xbox haters that from now on won't be capable of staying 5 seconds without saying "Microsoft monopoly!"
And they're harmless, so you got nothing to worry about

[misty spindle]

Microsoft could probably make the CMA look bad though if they try to ask for something unreasonable of Microsoft

hard to make Microsoft look like the bad guy if every other country had no concerns to this point

[jaunty yoke]

They already made the CMA look bad when they appealed the CMA's blockade and the UK government started an investigation

[winter flame]

The CMA aren’t gonna say “alright we’ll let this deal through because Brits are gonna suffer from not getting to play COD”. What’s the point in a regulatory body with no teeth?

Their entire purpose is to look long term

[misty spindle]

yeah but theres a lot more pressure on the CMA if every other country said 👍

[winter flame]

Pressure from who?

[obsidian wyvern]

but it isnt just gonna make them crumble

[misty spindle]

true

[jaunty yoke]

That may have been true if the judge had given the favor to the FTC, but it is demoralizing to lose allies. Basically the only allies the CMA has on this are Sony and Google and they don't have a horse in this race

[misty spindle]

if in the UNLIKELY CASE that Microsoft pulls out of the UK, who do you think would be laughed at more? Microsoft? or the CMA and the UK?

[winter flame]

The CMA doesn’t need allies it’s accountable to the British public and nobody else

[misty spindle]

and how do you think the British public would react if they lost all the games now while every other country is able to play it?

[winter flame]

And Brits do not care enough about COD lol

[obsidian wyvern]

its all fifa

[misty spindle]

also isn't the main thing the CMA concerned about is Cloud Gaming?

[winter flame]

It would be newsworthy but it wouldn’t cause much uproar

[obsidian wyvern]

that was their excuse

[jaunty yoke]

There's also that Canada is one of the countries that didn't approve the merger and New Zealand delayed their decision but whatever those 2 say are just words, they don't really affect it

[misty spindle]

Canada didn't approve it yet?

[jaunty yoke]

Nope

[winter flame]

It would actually look good in the eyes of the British public that our regulator has more teeth then every other countries

[obsidian wyvern]

didnt they initially say yes but then 180d with a few other countries after seeing the CMA

[winter flame]

People don’t know enough about the gaming market or cloud gaming to question it

[jaunty yoke]

And South Africa approved the merger, twice... for some reason

[hasty zinc]

desync

[misty spindle]

cause Cloud Gaming is currently (and most likely will always be) inferior to a console + PC experience

[winter flame]

Big gets bigger deals are generally considered bad for consumers and that’s really all the wider public will see

[hasty zinc]

I would triple approve it if I could tbf

if I change my name to CMA on here and say I approve it, does it count?

[obsidian wyvern]

idk about that

[misty spindle]

in what way can Cloud Gaming become superior (or to start.... be on "par") with a Hardware experience

[hasty zinc]

gaming on the go

[jaunty yoke]

In order to get Cloud Gaming in a dominant position in this market 3 things would have to happen
1: Internet would have to work wonderfully
2: There would have to be a unified device to stream it onto TVs, like a mini console, or an app, that would result in a new market where different companies would fight for dominance
3: Cloud gaming's reputation would have to be more poisitive than it is now

[obsidian wyvern]

cloud gaming is already better at running newer games than the xbox ones

[misty spindle]

so the Steam Deck + Nintendo Switch in portable mode?

[obsidian wyvern]

cloud gaming is so much better than what the switch can handle lol

[hasty zinc]

but much cheaper since you can use the phone you already have

[jaunty yoke]

Why Microsoft still hasn't pushed to have Game Pass and Xcloud on the Switch beats me

[winter flame]

The CMA’s rational to block the merger has nothing to do with cloud gaming becoming the dominant form of gaming

[misty spindle]

but the phones have to have limitations compared to every other console no?

[obsidian wyvern]

but then its the issue of streaming on the go which takes tons of data

[obsidian wyvern]

its capped at 60fps atm, im sure phones can handle that

[jaunty yoke]

If you consider smaller screens a limitation then yes

[winter flame]

The rational is that cloud gaming is likely to become a sizeable market and that competition in said market would be hindered by the the merger

[hasty zinc]

stream to phone, USB-C to HDMI to TV

[obsidian wyvern]

or just use a smart tv

[hasty zinc]

yeah that too

[jaunty yoke]

Phones, Xbox Ones and old PCs all can handle 60 fps through the cloud without a problem because all they need to do is be turned on, all the work of the game being streamed is being done by another device far away from you

[obsidian wyvern]

i think some of them come pre installed with the cloug gaming app nowadays

[obsidian wyvern]

the xbox ones cant run halo infinite at 60fps

as 1 example

[jaunty yoke]

Yup, but in the cloud the story becomes different

[obsidian wyvern]

oh i didnt read that properly, mb

[jaunty yoke]

Me playing the series X version of GTA 5 in my Xbox One through the cloud:
I DEFY YOUR RULES OF NATURE

[winter flame]

Does it still tell you to “install this game on your device for the best experience”

Always found that odd when I streamed fps boosted games

[jaunty yoke]

When you play it on the Xbox One sometimes it pops a message that says "wanna install this game?", PC doesn't show any messages

[obsidian wyvern]

i found xcloud to be whack on my xbox

[jaunty yoke]

Overall only thing it does now is once you are done and close it an optional survey pops up that asks you about your experience

[obsidian wyvern]

it wouldnt work half the time, wasnt fun when i didnt want to download the game to try it

[jaunty yoke]

It was the same for me back in 2021

But closing to late 2022 it got so much better and now it works almost perfectly

[winter flame]

It worked well on my One X before I got a Series X but it did pester me to download games to play them at half the fps

[obsidian wyvern]

i hope that eventually they bring all their games to xcloud rather than just gamepass games.. and fortnite

[jaunty yoke]

Even curiously enough, Xcloud works even better on my PC than it does on my Xbox One which is strange because my PC is wifi and my Xbox One is directly wired to the router

[jaunty yoke]

Same

[winter flame]

I don’t remember there being much difference with PC but it might be that they’ve improved the tech in the PC client perhaps

[jaunty yoke]

I also changed my internet provider so that also played a part

[astral palm]

Possibly.

[timid crane]

Dude, the mini btb playlist is golden hour

[astral palm]

Interesting.

[round laurel]

It really is.

[timid crane]

Feels like classic halo on a boost with infinites engine and movement

[safe harness]

Facts

[hasty zinc]

about to try it

oh squad battle is what you guys are talking about

idk why I was thinking there was a separate btb playlist lol

[copper meadow]

The CE remake map is the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen

[hasty zinc]

which map?

[oak cave]

what ce remake

[timid crane]

Oh nah Lmao it’s just old school btb mane

[copper meadow]

The one that looks like ce? It seemed a lot like the first place you go in ce

Let me see if I can find it

[oak cave]

i dont understand

[hasty zinc]

are you talking about the map in the new squad battles playlist?

[oak cave]

if you mean ce anniversarry then thats not a remake

nor realy a remaster

its a reskin persay

unless we are talking about another project

[copper meadow]

Do Xbox clip links work here?

[round laurel]

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/thumb/b/b5/Val_ext3.jpg/1200px-Val_ext3.jpg

Is this the map you're referencing?

[copper meadow]

Yes

[round laurel]

Ah, it's a forge remake of the Halo 3 map.

It's called Valhalla.

[oak cave]

oh valhalla

were you refrencing blood gulch with the ce remake thing then

or am i still not getting this

[hasty zinc]

i love it when I pull off stuff I think looks cool in my head

[dusky sage]

When you make you Discord Alias cursed. <

[fickle drift]

♿

[timid crane]

Which armor effect?

[lament junco]

Ello

[timid crane]

Run

[lament junco]

I am back from my 6 hour trip

[thorny glen]

why are the grapple hook mythic effects always the coolest

[lament junco]

Nobody cared though

Which makes since tbh

[timid crane]

Don’t worry little man

[thorny glen]

and why can't I buy the fiesta fury mythic effect still 😡

strange that it's not available for everyone still

[timid crane]

Ha!

[lament junco]

What happend during my absence on discord?

[timid crane]

Literally nothing

[winter flame]

We waited for you to come back

[lament junco]

Ok

[thorny glen]

It felt bigger due to far more vehicles tbh. Maps were designed around vehicular combat in Halo 5, most of Infinite's BTB maps just aren't. Only the new ones seem to be and those are the best one's.

[lament junco]

Soo

Does anyone play the cringy game in my name or minecraft?

I don't feel like Halo today

😭

[cedar turret]

I’m sure their discords have lfgs

[safe dawn]

i can confirm minecrafts server does have a lfg section

idk bout fortnite

[lament junco]

Ok

Thx y'all

[hasty zinc]

the Birthday one

effect set

[fresh turtle]

[timid crane]

Ah gotcha