halo-discussion

[left snow]

🙂 I had to google haboob.

[civic sundial]

I blame a former friend of mine who grew up in Arizona for me learning that term

[short flower]

Lol now that’s a good one!

[short flower]

Ah joining firefight matches late… score be like 📉

really unfortunate :(

at least I can get something

[sleek hatch]

Besides this year.
Used to have whiteouts like once a week where I live through the winter.

[short flower]

And yes you can still get perfections if you join late in firefight and continue to not die.

[celest heron]

don't know if they'll be skulls to find, but it's going to have the most skulls in any halo game.

[short flower]

Yet another firefight session will happen… they shall keep happening until all my passes are done and I’ve hit hero. I’ll still play after all passes are done and hero is obtained.

Of course all my passes will be done first, because onyx is gonna get GRINDY.

Maybe from like Master Sergeant or Lieutenant.

[solid canopy]

Timed playlists are normal/help keep the rotation fresh and draw people in

Anyway, I saw in the earlier concept art for Halo 4 that the Storm Rifle was called the "Assault Carbine" and I do kind of wonder if they should've kept the Carbine naming

[coral linden]

Hello! is there any possibility someone can help me with an issue I got with Halo mcc?

I've been trying all day to find a workaround https://discord.com/channels/471722331820130324/1462243257298714897

[solid canopy]

If the display was a little cooler, I think I'd really dig the Storm Rifle's design

The animations for it in Halo 5 are top tier

[cyan forum]

For holiday themed crap thats fine but something like fiesta? Nah thats completely tone dead

Altho i have to question by what people even mean by "holiday themed" game types to begin with. Halo's always been about creating new ways to play. Making a new game mode idea temporary is just kinda dumb imo, unless its badly received over something 🤷‍♀️

[solid canopy]

The snowball fight game mode seems fairly seasonal

[cyan forum]

Sounds about right

[solid canopy]

Also it isn't like you can't play these gamemodes in custom matches

Rotating playlists like Action Sack are completely fine and healthy for Halo

[cyan forum]

I thought that was still broken. Hadnt tried that in over a year

[short flower]

Phew that’s an intense match survived - black eye, Escharum, and 3 players.

5555 was my score! (With Perfection)

Also House of Reckoning map.

[brave carbon]

How does infinite multiplayer determine spawns? Haven't gotten a clear answer, and friend played with me last night first time in year or so and even commented on the super odd/unfair spawns (objective game types)

Would like to know so can adjust my gameplay accordingly

[shadow turret]

I used to know but I forget for the most part now 🥀

Vaguely from what I remember though
In Slayer type modes (I think mostly just Slayer and Oddball) spawn someone the closest to a teammate, but the farthest from an enemy it can, generally with the least active line of sight (and I believe if all teammates are dead it tries for the best "middle distance" ish spawn)

But in objective gamemodes (like CTF namely), it still has similar spawn parameters, but cannot spawn someone past the halfway point to the "enemy" side of the map (usually, just as an example, up to but not past the mid Bridge on Aquarius for each team)

And I think sometimes why respawns can feel scuffed is due to each side on some maps (I belive Live Fire is a prime example) not being equal, either just due to the original placing, the map being asymmetrical, or a mix of both)

Apologies if that wasn't a great explanation, I haven't actually dealt with spawns stuff in a while, but I believe that's roughly how it works

And for "rotating" modes like Strongholds especially, if it can't spawn closer to a teammate than a controlled objective I think, it'll spawn closest to the controlled objective, unless an enemy is on it with no friendly present

Strongholds is especially scuffed though due to that rule, bc I know on Live Fire I've spawned in Garage with enemies on the zone right next to me before

[brave carbon]

A+ answer, thanks! Need to reread though to fully understand, lol. Plus hopping in game now 🙂

[tulip blaze]

I had a question, but I’m not sure if someone will have the answer. Have you ever noticed, when playing Halo MCC, that some people have scores of several million, or even billions? I wondered if it was a bug that existed in the past or something like that. Even when you check the mission leaderboards, you can see several people with absolutely insane scores

[pseudo vigil]

Cheaters most likely

[sleek hatch]

Dm me

[sleek hatch]

The enemy and your team factor it the most.
Especially line of sight.
The controlled hill doesn't play any objective at all. If it does, it is super minimal.
The only objectives I know influence spawns are the oddball and bomb.

I have a video and notebook on the spawns

[solid canopy]

Idk about you guys, but I loved that giant "F'CLUNK" sound they gave the Fuel Rod Canon in 4 and 5

[cyan forum]

I like the weird "gooey" start up sound of H2A's energy sword. Makes me sad it never got replicated in any game after

[mental gate]

infi isnt that dead that lobbies are js ai filled right or am i crazy

[sullen owl]

iirc the game will always try to start with a full lobby. If people leave, some modes used to replace players with bots, but I honestly don't know which ones still do.

[formal seal]

It really bothers me that Halo (Halo 3 mission) still doesn't work right on mcc with the warthog run

[civic sundial]

What do you mean it doesn't work right?

[formal seal]

the pipes/bars that break in the tunnel bits on the warthog run don't move
they just fall down and awkwardly sit there

[sullen owl]

I'll need a side by side video comparison. lol

[civic sundial]

Yeah, I have to second that, because I'm pretty sure they always just fell

[formal seal]

https://youtu.be/5AG4IPdbASg?t=535
trying to find a video of halo 3 on the actual 360 was kinda rough

it added a lot to me to have them scraping across the path and you having to dodge them, emphasizes that the whole things falling apart better

[sullen owl]

360 was how I remembered it, but yeah... Looking at newer MCC on PC Warthog runs, they just kinda bounce once and stop. I don't see it ever being fixed, but yeah, that's weird.

[inland minnow]

interesting, could be worth filing a ticket, but as shezmu says don't hold your breath on a fix :p

[sullen kiln]

Please refer to the Halo Support site for additional information and/or to submit a ticket concerning any issues you may be experiencing.

https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[worldly sorrel]

I have a question on MCC, why i get a headshot in CE Multiplayer with only 3 times? When with the Elites it took me many bullets with the magnum even in Legendary

[civic sundial]

Because the Elites don't have the same stats as the player does

[cunning oyster]

Yea I’m going to stop playing Halo 3. It’s too sweaty. Halo reach and Halo 4 are fine.

[glacial tartan]

Unless the developer steps in to take actions to increase the playerbase there are simply not enough average players. So if you’re near the bottom of the skill curve you’ll be put in games with people better than you more often. Improve or die, basically

[short flower]

When I run out of xp boosts I’ll just have to go back to normal progression on battle passes. Still got 20+, but I feel like I will run out before my last few passes are done. All good.

Tuesday weekly challenges do assist greatly in progression.

[cyan forum]

Ironically i find myself having a less sweaty with 3 compared to Reach

With 3, even when im up against organized teams on BR starts, it usually feels like i have a fair chance as long as no one in my team quits

I always have a terrible time in Reach tho because of the armor abilities. Like at least 1 guy in the other team will be actively using the jetpack to scout us out and take pot shots while the rest sprint after us. Doesnt help that the DMR is a seriously op starting weapon compared to the BR

[rose gyro]

Armor abilities spice up the gameplay though

[cyan forum]

I used to love them but as someone here once said "everything is better when youre 12"

I find that they disrupt the gameplay more often, even in casual modes like BTB. I think i wouldve liked it better if they were a pick up ability or something

[solid canopy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IbX3_j6o2j4&pp=ygUXaGFsbyA1IGdyZW5hZGUgbGF1bmNoZXI%3D

The Reach Grenade Launcher isn't exactly my favorite weapon, but that ADS animation in Halo 5 is smooth like butter

[sleek hatch]

I think its the fact that it is a loadout instead of a pickup which makes it a terrible time

[rose gyro]

Yeah well I guess that can by attributed to the entire classic trilogy cause while I’m sure they were great for the time they came out in, they really don’t hold up compared to games coming out today

[rose gyro]

Perhaps

[cyan forum]

The loadout system works best in invasion mode i feel

[rose gyro]

Or PVE modes

[cyan forum]

Yesss. Which makes sense, because weapons are also preselected for a specific armor ability

[rose gyro]

Well that and the objective is to beat NPCs. Rules aren’t the same as beating other players

[sleek hatch]

What games are you comparing them to?

[rose gyro]

Titanfall 2, Helldivers 2, Bioshock trilogy, Destiny 1 and 2, Tom Clancy the Division, Warframe, Marvel Rivals, Cyberpunk 2077,

[cyan forum]

Ngl thinking about this and the cancelled "hero shooter" concepts makes me really really want a class based multiplayer spin off. They can really go hard with that for customizable unsc and covenant commando classes 🙏

[rose gyro]

Basically Space Marine 2 class system?

[sleek hatch]

So are you saying these games are better than Halo? Or are doing better?

[rose gyro]

Better than classic Halo

[cyan forum]

Maybe? Im mostly thinking of something like TF2. Like, you can play as a demolition guy but you can also customize him into a dedicated charging melee type class

[sleek hatch]

I mean thats really hard to compare.
MCC has more players than titanfall on steam.
Halo infinite even beats it

[rose gyro]

Titanfall was rendered near unplayable

Like fans had to make their own servers and work for it to be playable

[sleek hatch]

I would never compare the other games to Halo. They are vastly different.
Your next closest one is destiny

[rose gyro]

Doesn’t change that those games all felt more engaging and interesting to play than classic Halo

[cyan forum]

Yeah youre essentially asking for another game altogether by making these comparisons. Its fine to ask for a Halo SPIN OFF, but saying these other games are better is kinda bad faith altogether

[rose gyro]

You keep missing that I say classic halo

[cyan forum]

Classic Halo is just Halo in general

[rose gyro]

As in the halo games from CE to 3

[sleek hatch]

Maybe to you but I think MCC had a better peak player count on steam

[cyan forum]

Its identity is based on that sandbox shooter experience

[rose gyro]

Reach to 4/5 was improved design

[glacial tartan]

They may feel that way to you, but it would seem youre in the minority

[rose gyro]

Cause it’s an amalgam 6 games. What do you expect?

[glacial tartan]

Nothing justifies Infinite playercount, MCC could be 500 games and Infinites numbers would still be laughable

MCC could not exist and it would still be bad lol

[rose gyro]

Halo CE and 3 gameplay is literally just super basic

[glacial tartan]

Well yes and no. Depends on the metrics you're using there

I would say things like Backpack Reloads / Quick Camo and mechanics like that in CE make that gameplay have far more depth. But if you dont know about those things and just take it at face value then sure

[rose gyro]

You just run, shoot, and throw grenades when not in a vehicle

CE had the occasional power ups but that’s it

[glacial tartan]

If thats your interpretation thats fine, but you're on an island

[sleek hatch]

I bet 3 of the titles in it have more players than titanfall 2

[glacial tartan]

Oh wait I'm being baited by 0.45 k/d people again arent I

[sleek hatch]

On a good day

[sleek hatch]

Have you ever tried getting into comp?

[rose gyro]

Wow must be such an achievement to have a higher player count than a game that’s been sabotaged by its own company and buried beneath the releases of other games and largely forgotten as it’s pushed aside for the golden egg that is Apex

[sleek hatch]

I don't prefer battle royales but the withe arena gamemode was awesome

[rose gyro]

The base gameplay mechanics just weren’t interesting enough to try. Each time I finished the campaigns for CE to 3, I just wanted to move onto the next one and hope the gameplay was better

It’s only with Reach that I finally started feeling that

[cyan forum]

Thats just you refusing to engage with the hidden complexities of classic halo, not a failure of the game design itself

And thats not even a bad thing btw, its personal preference in the end, im just sayin

I like street fighter but dont enjoy 3d fighting games either

[rose gyro]

I literally tried and only got annoyed by it not being that deep

[cyan forum]

Personal preference

[rose gyro]

The most complex it got was duel wielding combos

That’s it

[cyan forum]

Complexity with the mechanics doesnt make a game objectively better tho

Its personal preference

[sleek hatch]

I mean it speaks value if players play a game that a company self sabotage.
Must mean the game or games before it were amazing.

[sleek hatch]

What about infinite?

[rose gyro]

It means higher player input and engagement. If you master a more complex game system, then it feels rewarding

A game like Final Fantasy 15 doesn’t have a super engaging or rewarding combat system because the system is very safe. Just holding something like the guard button has you automatically dodging and blocking attacks and you also just hold the attack button for combos. It’s a frankly shallow system that’s more about attrition and style and presentation than anything else which means, while pleasing to look at, isn’t the most rewarding system

[rose gyro]

Infinite I just couldn’t play for long before the disappointment and hollowness just makes me drop it and go play something else

[sleek hatch]

What is a complex system to you?

[sleek hatch]

So if you were to actually try and compete in a Halo. Which one would it be?

[cyan forum]

Okay but that has nothing to do with a game being better. Black ops 7 is more complex game than Halo 3 AND Reach, doesnt make it a better game though

Not objectively anyways

So again you're completely misunderstanding the meaning behind "personal preference"

A lot of Halo players like classic Halo because thats just what Halo's identity was built around. A slower paced arena shooter where you explore the map and find whacky weapons and equipment to help you get kills

[rose gyro]

The Division has you shooting from cover, engaging in team dynamics and mechanics with people taking up roles and having skills and abilities to fulfill those roles. You can exploit the environment to deal damage

Titanfall 2 is about moving around, making strong loadouts that fit your style along with any special skills or abilities to boot along with your class. Racking up kills rewards special assets like an auto sink pistol, walking bomber droids, etc. and then of course is the Titans which come with their own classes, abilities, and weapons with other gameplay and mechanics at play. Then there’s the base movement system that changes how the player engages with the combat

Bioshock game has you picking up powers and weapons along the way while making upgrades with many powers playing into the level layouts such electric powers being good for any areas with puddles with enemies in them

[sleek hatch]

Halo has you picking up weapons and power ups too?
Moving around the map as a team to control spawns.
Think of timing for spawns, weapons, power ups, pushes etc.
Positioning is huge in Halo.

[rose gyro]

A complex system is when there’s multiple mechanics and options at play for the player to engage with when going into combat whether it be abilities, movement systems, mechanics like healing through executions, etc.

[sleek hatch]

Part of me wonders if you know the nuances to certain decisions in Halo vs other games.

[wooden briar]

Division 1, Titanfall 2, and the BioShock trilogy are old, gone, and only Division 3 is planned for the future. Not comparable to current AAA game development simply due to the passage of a generation in gaming years.

And it doesn't matter whether a game is probably more complex: it doesn't make it one bit "better", just makes it win one person's personal preference. Your own personal preference has no impact on a game's objective quality.

[rose gyro]

Black Ops 7 is hated for how corporate and lazy it is as a game. Call of Duty has been plagued by greed for years and Black Ops 7 was the breaking point in terms of COD jumping the shark in the name of profit

[sleek hatch]

So again, what Halo would you want to play competitively?

[short flower]

People DESTROYED that game’s campaign.

[sleek hatch]

I personally think you would like 2. It has the most mechanics oddly enough...

If you count button combos and such

[rose gyro]

Halo is more about picking up weapons you come across. Powerups were less common

[cyan forum]

Yes, thats Halo's identity

[short flower]

2007-2012 had that franchise’s golden era.

[rose gyro]

Reach, 4/5

[wooden briar]

So you haven't played it enough to judge knowledgeably. It is definitely so complex that it exceeds many other "complex" shooters in complexity. So a game you don't respect is, by your definition, better.

[cyan forum]

Reach and 4 specifically were criticized for messing with that identity

Which is why they were so divisive

[rose gyro]

And it changing the identity is a problem because?

[cyan forum]

Especially 4 since that pretty much played like Call of Duty almost 1 to 1

[rose gyro]

No it didn’t

[cyan forum]

Because it promoted homogenization. Thats never a good thing with any form of media, games, movies, etc.

[rose gyro]

There’s a limit when it comes to complexity.

[sleek hatch]

I mean there is more to it, but would you actually be willing to try and learn how to play Reach competitively?
I honestly think you would dislike the MLG settings.

[rose gyro]

So keeping it static is the better option? They weren’t homogenizing Halo, they were adapting it in ways the better fit what they were going for

[sleek hatch]

Maybe there were better ways to adapt?

[rose gyro]

You couldn’t have something as gritty as reach with a more bright and colorful artstyle like the classic games

[sleek hatch]

Like Halo 2 to Halo 3?

[cyan forum]

No because every entry in the classic trilogy still had their own changes implemented to the classic formula

2 balanced out the sandbox more and changed the keystone weapons, 3 added equipments, reach shook things up the most with the armor abilities which again was divisive

[rose gyro]

And the classic formula was never lost

Just updated to better match the changing times

[cyan forum]

It was kind of lost with reach. Outright gone with 4 before 5 brought it back

[sleek hatch]

So if I have a chocolate chip cookies. That everyone loves, and decide to make them better by changing the chocolate chips to peanut butter chips?
Are they still chocolate chip cookies?

[cyan forum]

My point exactly

[rose gyro]

Literally not the case

[cyan forum]

Again its fine to ask for spin offs, those are allowed to adopt other formulas because thats the point of a spin off

A Halo fighting game would be pretty cool imo. Thatd make for a nice spin off. But if Halo 7 were to be a fighting game, that would rightfully make a lot of people angry

[rose gyro]

That’s what Assassins creed did

Meanwhile Halo never did that

[cyan forum]

Yeh i know

It sucks. Id like Halo to have more spin offs too

[sleek hatch]

Space combat

[cyan forum]

Class based combat would be so cool im telling y'all

Tho im pretty sure thats possible to do in the mainline given how customizable forge can be these days

[rose gyro]

Again, that’s basically Space Marines 2

You’ve got different classes for different playstyles like a melee focused class, ranged, support

[cyan forum]

Yes, that sounds like so much fun for the halo universe

[rose gyro]

The Melee class included thrusters

Basically a ability like 5’s slam ability but you shoot in the air and aim where you slam down

Was used for mobility options

[cyan forum]

Yes and again you can also do something similar in Team Fortress 2, converting an explosives class to use only melee weapons and charge attacks

But we'll have to see if theyre willing to experiment that hard on such an idea. I think its possible tho

[rose gyro]

They’re just focused on Remakes right now

Well the reason/excuse/whatever is cause it’s a practice test for them with using the engine

If 2 and 3 get remakes then they may get outsourced

Or just neither and Halo 7 is the next thing they get access to

2 and 3 remakes are honestly needed

Maybe they can fix some of the b in those campaigns

Hopefully better artstyle at least for chief

It’s the reason I lost interest in that game immediately

And played into my feelings of disappointment and hollowness whenever I played it. I just did not like what I saw

[warm nimbus]

hey guys! do people host in this server MCC lobbies or something of that style?

i've been hoping to replay some of the multiplayer in the MCC on PC

[onyx latch]

Still think that there should've been a proper 'postgame' where you can just play as your MP Spartan on Zeta Halo.

Doing all the side content.

In Infinite.

[rose gyro]

Hardly matters in first person

[onyx latch]

I literally do not care if it matters in first person or not

[rose gyro]

Unless you’re given a third person pov option

Cause otherwise the only differences you’ll notice are your hands and legs/feet looking different

[onyx latch]

Like on a list of things I care about, being able to constantly see my own cosmetics is whatever, I just like looking how I want to look even in single player FPS games.

It's such a dumb thing to be "But achually" about lmao

[warm nimbus]

i never played the infinite campaign, to the point that i straight up don't know what happens or what's the story

[rose gyro]

Well Marvel Rivals was given extra praise when compared to Overwatch because it allowed players to actually see the cosmetics they’re always spending money on

[onyx latch]

Again, I don't care

[rose gyro]

No, I legit just did not like the artstyle and everywhere I looked in the game, especially when it came to Spartan armors, I was reminded of it

[onyx latch]

Millions of people could be telling me I'm wrong for liking single player game cosmetics even if I barely see them and millions of people would be wrong to do so.

[rose gyro]

The problem with single player cosmetics is when they’re part of some season pass you pay for

Assassins Creed

[onyx latch]

Womp womp? IDC

Like yeah it's annoying but like after a certain point complaining about cosmetics in a single player game comes across as a "My lobster is too buttery, my steak is too juicy" to me if they aren't really notably invasive

[warm nimbus]

who tf cares about cosmetics for singleplayer, i wanna play a game for the experience for the most part

[rose gyro]

Well Ubisoft is certainly paying for it now

[rose gyro]

I mean I do to, but sometimes I want my character to look nice or cool and not like those Dark Souls moments where to optimize, you have them wearing ridiculous armor that don’t fit together

[onyx latch]

Ubisoft is paying for cowardice and incompetence, not because they dared offer cosmetics in single player games.

Though that would be a facet of incompetence I suppose.

[rose gyro]

The cosmetics were part of Ubisoft’s entire mindset of nickel and diming its customers for years while constantly delivering the bare minimum and least creative products they can

[warm nimbus]

i mean, the magic of the souls games is that you still have the freewill of wearing what you want, yeah, the game may be more difficult, but if you like it just wear it

[rose gyro]

Perhaps. But then there’s similar games like the Witcher 3 where the best stat outfits look frankly ridiculous and not like how you want to look

[onyx latch]

Lots of words I'd use to describe work like theirs. "Bare minimum" is not one of them.

Bare Minimum is a UE Asset flip.

[rose gyro]

Games that just offer a cosmetic option like Destiny 2 are always appreciated cause you don’t have to sacrifice stats and strength for looks

[warm nimbus]

idk man, been playing the witcher 3 and most of them aren't very ridiculous, they fit very well with that witcher aesthetic

[rose gyro]

Well bare minimum in term of quality. They certainly like filling their games with a overabundance of meaningless and repetitive tasks just to pad things out and fill the map

[sleek hatch]

So when are you grinding Reach?

[ashen rune]

I don't mind cosmetics it's the transactional part that bothers me

I prefer unlocking them

One of my friendly NPC mongoose rocket launcher dudes looked straight at ours and blew us up 😭

[short flower]

I wanted to finish my firefight session with a perfection but NOOOO!!!! YOU DIE TO NEEDLES!!! (Extremely fake death I stg!)

[ashen rune]

Oof

[solid canopy]

It is very interesting looking at Sparth's concept art for Halo 4 and seeing how he incorporated a lot more classic elements into the newer designs and I really wish some of those details weren't lost in translation

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/6/64/H4_EarlyForerunnerTower_Exploration_Concept_5.jpg
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/3/39/H4_EnergyBeam_Platform_Concept_2.jpg

[ashen rune]

The arbiter got stuck in a rock 🫠

[solid canopy]

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/a/a8/H4_ShotgunSplaser_Concept.jpg (specifically the laser)

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/e/e0/H4_Broadsword_concept_art-2.jpg

Notice the more traditional colors on the Broadsword and classic UNSC logo (could just be a placeholder)

[ashen rune]

I haven't played halo 4 but yeah it looks like a modern take on classic halo weapons

Man 3 elites survived in that part in floodgate where you meet flood ranged forms for the first time and it felt really good when one said "Victory is ours!"

Playing halo 3 for the first time

Well I might have played mp a few times but it's first time playing the campaign

[frosty condor]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-were-it-so-easy-arbiter-master-chief-gif-8934526060485862494

[solid canopy]

The energy beam platform stuck out to me the most because of how it very evenly balances both design philosophies

[onyx latch]

I kinda feel like Halo Infinite struck a good balance, because I could see either structure being in it just fine.

Actually, I think that both structures are in it in a certain form.

The first is like one of the MP maps, and the second looks a lot like the final arena of the campaign, the Silent Auditorium.

[solid canopy]

Infinite takes a lot from Halo 2 and Halo CE with sprinkles of Reclaimer era designs

[onyx latch]

I'd say more Halo Reach and 3 than 2 or CE.

Too many elaborate details to be 2 outside of a few specific maps in MP.

[solid canopy]

Halo CE in the more monolitic/brutalist look and 2 for the extensive use of the glpyhs and patterns + bronze and gold colors

[ashen rune]

Elites carrying rocket launchers

[ashen rune]

Idk if I would call halo 1 brutalist... I don't think the forerunners used a whole lot of concrete lol

[solid canopy]

Halo 2's Forerunner environments do pack a ton of detail into em (some which the remaster overlooks)

I think that is something that Halo 4's Forerunner environments really lacked

Which is part of the reason why that Beam Platform concept art stuck out to me so much

Halo 4's Forerunner environments are a mixed bag for me because some levels I think look excellent (Reclaimer), some I am mixed on (Requiem, Forerunner) and Shutdown exists as well :/

[ashen rune]

Tank beats phantom

"avoid collateral damage reclaimer" destroys sentinel emitters out of spite

[solid canopy]

The Ark is one of my all time favorite levels

The level design is on point

[ashen rune]

what's better than one scorpion tank?

[left snow]

... two scorpion tanks

[ashen rune]

3

[solid canopy]

A Grizzly

[ashen rune]

is there no screenshot channel lol

[onyx latch]

More like STINKshot channel cause your screenshots STINK

[foggy thistle]

12 Scorpion Tanks.

[ashen rune]

cringemaxxing I see

[ashen rune]

Ok halo 3:||The Arbiter killing Truth was pretty satisfying. Overthrowing 3400 years of secret and total domination of the Sangheili, and he was infected because of his own hubris and lies, failing his own test of the parasite before being slain at the hand of an arbiter||

[coarse dagger]

#1076327824924872755

[hoary hearth]

Halo wars 3 we need it you need it just make it

[vale vault]

I'm having this issue on desktop right now, I'm tempted to just go through the game with no shaders and Halo CE graphics.

There's a million fixes and none of them work, of course.

[jade pebble]

#1297290001188651069 if its "artsy"

[hoary hearth]

Halo wars 3

We need it

[neon jacinth]

If you could let me know how you would go about doing that, I would greatly appreciate it.

[vale vault]

Let Multiplayer run until it has compiled its own shaders, switch to campaign, ignore the lack of shaders and just try to play the game.

[neon jacinth]

Interesting.

[fresh panther]

Any MCC players?

[indigo trellis]

Not me

[sinful rover]

Yes

[frosty wyvern]

One scarab

Hi

I play both I'm 100%ing infinite but I have thousands of hours on combat evolved

[opal crescent]

Anyone want to help me on two MCC reach forge world maps, they are fully functional but I could use some help making them feel better to play on, one is an infection get out of my house style map and the other I made so almost any vanilla mode can be played on it

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
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#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
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Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[opal crescent]

What does lfg stand for?

[glacial tartan]

Looking for group

[opal crescent]

Ah, thank you

[digital crag]

guys is their a good ending in halo reach

[nova basalt]

Good ending?

[digital crag]

is their?

[nova basalt]

Wdym good ending though

[digital crag]

i mean like where the guy survives since he died during survival

[safe edge]

Gravemind should be a boss in halo

Imagine fighting Gravemind with Master Chief or Arbiter

[solid canopy]

If they do bring back the SAW I really hope they take some influence from the (sort of) cut GPMG from Halo 2 for the design

[hidden thistle]

Here’s a take: I actually like the CEA opening how it follows the ending of Reach.

[onyx latch]

Ngl, I still wish the SAW had been an actual beltfed machine gun.

Something just makes that... special.

[solid canopy]

I am very split on the design of the SAW

On a gameplay level it is very fun to run around and mow people down with. But the design feels lacking a certain je ne sais quoi

The drum has a good weight to it and is satisfying to reload and I don't hate the rows of lights at the top. But on the other hand I think the weapon is both over and under designed. Either looking too busy or too empty

[nova basalt]

Just replace it with the amazing original gun I just made up
‼️ The M60E700‼️
It’s basically just the M60 but for space

[celest heron]

there is a way to survive lonewolf, so I guess he would live if you never ended the game.

[true peak]

Something I had pointed out to me recently is it's very similar in design to Halo 2's/2A's mounted turret. Just food for thought.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971899598639624283/1463026361760350353/image.png?ex=697054fa&is=696f037a&hm=a9cf10d1cce66da28b9ba99593c7fe0364c4df4784ab02ad0de2bafe6882cffe&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[onyx latch]

I know I've pointed this out to someone at some point lmao

But yeah it does, and knowing 343i's art team at the time, that was 100% intentional

(They had a really strong emphasis as a studio of basically 'bringing forward and modernizing' old aesthetics to achieve a more distinctive overall aesthetic for Halo; It's why Halo 5's Covenant vehicles were way more buglike)

[solid canopy]

5's Covenant vehicles/weapons are more aquatic than bug like

Iirc the look of the Halo 5 Covenant stemmed from concept art for an unmade Halo 4 multiplayer map centered around "underwater Covenant technology"

• the addition of those fish made to resemble Plasma Pistols and the way the sides of the Spirt look like sharks (that could just be me though)

I do think it was pretty clever of them to make them based off creatures you would find on Sanghelios

It does reflect well on how Jul's Covenant is driven by the Elites

Really, the Covenant in Halo 5 is the one faction that I don't have many issues with their art style

My only real complaints are the faces of the Grunts and Elites and the Wraith doesn't quite translate to gameplay as it should (from what I can recall ofc)

But other than that and the smaller wings on the Banshee or the color of the guns on the Ghost (which are both nitpicks to be 100% clear), I really dig what they did.
The pulsating, wavy look of the Jackal shields, the rocky arms and legs of the Grunts, the intimidating look of the Hunters, the Halo 5 Carbine is easily my favorite Carbine design + the Plasma Caster rocks (please come back, I'm begging you)

All the smart scope animations all look really cool

Unlike the Forerunners where it feels like Halo 5 took the wrong lessions or influences from Halo 4's Forerunners or the far too fantastical look of the UNSC (for my liking at least), the Covenant look really good

[cyan forum]

Halo 5's elites are weird to me

The actual designs of the armor and helmets are kinda cool. But the size and physique of the elites themselves are so bad that it kinda ruins everything

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/a/aa/Storm_Sangheili.png/revision/latest?cb=20121115024552

Id like to see this design get the Infinite treatment. The helmet and the lack of sleeves are cool, ironically more fitting of the title "elite mercenary" than the actual ones we see in Infinite

[civic sundial]

So glad I have these as proper reference, but like, Elites have always been pretty inconsistent in terms of their proportions, the Reach Elites (Left) especially changed allot more than I think people realise, such as the feet and basic face shape and are larger. Halo 4's Elites (Right), ironically enough, are very similar in their proportions to the Halo 3 Elite (Middle), but are overall larger than them, like Reach's

[cyan forum]

I never much loved Reach's elites either for similar reasons, but i guess it comes down to armor designs ow that im seeing this

I dunno why that got deleted but ill just have to repeat what i said. 4's elite armor is too bulky, especially on the legs

Reach's elites are also kinda bulky but it helps that their legs are slimmer and the colors for each rank are also much more identifiable

That being said, 3's elites are my guilty pleasure, even though i get that 2A and Infinite's elites are seen as the best designs of all

Sidenote, the elite voices in the 343 games are horrible. I really wish they kept the og voices

[round forge]

I always hated the Halo 4 designs for most of the covenant. One of the things I hated most was actually some of the grunt armours as they make no sense since their breathing masks don't actually cover their mouths.

[cyan forum]

Yeh the nose tube design is kind of unsalvageable. The concept itself is not good, im glad they gave up on it

[round forge]

Only issue I really had with the H4 elite designs was their massive necks.

[civic sundial]

The VAs who did the voices for them in the older games were likely unavailable, it's not like they only did Elite voices

[cyan forum]

Well we couldve gotten better voices, the one we have rn is just bad tbh

Ironically the tower elite boss from Infinite has a really nice voice, but only in the cutscene. In game it reverts back to sounding like the other elites which is seriously baffling to me

[solid canopy]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dybqvw

Pitty these never happened

Starfighter would've been really cool, and it would seem they were expriementing with a Flood horror game

Or possibly a game mode for Infinite

[river minnow]

how i wish starfighter was real

[river minnow]

mcc is having issues if thats what ur tryna ask

[glacial tartan]

Cant make new dedicated servers rn - so CGB is stuck with currently existing games that havent ended. Matchmaking will ban you, so dont try yet

[cunning oyster]

I wanted to give a heads up that Halo 3 is now broken on the MCC. Impossible to get matches to go through.

You just get right before the start of the game and the whole team gets booted back to the lobby.

[celest heron]

it's all games

[celest heron]

the halo in those pics would look fun to play.

[short flower]

I saw a teammate get 7145 points in firefight im like man I want a score like that!!!

[simple fractal]

What’s with mcc screwing up

[glacial tartan]

Have to wait for Halo Studios to acknowledge/address it, for now we dont know. Dont queue mm you'll get banned

[simple fractal]

Game is cooked. Horrible servers and cheaters every lobby

[simple fractal]

I just spoke to some cheaters. You’re able to play with midnight hacks only at this time.

[glacial tartan]

There are usually more cheaters in the CGB. Always been true. MM being down and nobody able to make more CGB games, yeah its going to be rough.

[glacial tartan]

They are at lunch iirc

Nope

[coarse dagger]

https://x.com/HaloSupport/status/2013717009884709216

Halo Support (@HaloSupport)

⚠️ The development team is investigating reports of #HaloMCC online service and matchmaking errors. Stay tuned for updates on this investigation.

X · Jan 20, 2026, 8:55 PM

[nova plaza]

ban you like forever?

[glacial tartan]

Quit Bans in MCC are automated, every quit adds more time, starting at 5 minutes, then 15 mins, 30 minutes, etc.

So no, not forever, temporary, but its automated. The more you try to join, the more it will add. So, wait!

[nova plaza]

Phew...

[glacial tartan]

The maximum penalty is 24 hours, but that takes a good number of quits in a row

[ashen rune]

lowk I think Mickey could beat Chief in a gunfight

[wooden briar]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-tailor-giant-brave-little-tailor-fight-gif-25269076

[sullen owl]

"Boy, you don't know nothing! Mighty Mouse is a cartoon. Superman Master Chief's a real guy. There's no way a cartoon could beat up a real guy."

[solid canopy]

Man, Halo 4's finale is excellent

Those final two levels are 343i just fully locking in

And the amount of times I have played Composer and Midnight is proof of that

[short flower]

Absolutely relive the infinite flight days by turning on bots on slayer. And Bazaar map, which of course is the default selected map.

Challenge yourself, if you want, by turning the bot difficulty to Spartan. Or chill if you want as well, have to difficulty on recruit.

[shadow turret]

(If you're talking about Infinite)
Tbh, at least in FF Classic, it's not too hard to get over 10k score, unless your teammates leave in the first 2 rounds

And granted, I have played prolly close to 13 or 1500 hours of FF, by now, but my laptop barely ran the game when it still did run it, so

One of my friends often broke 20k in like the same time too

Either way, FF Classic is great for score if teammates don't end the match in the first 2 rounds

[short flower]

I would then wish for an infinite ammo FF classic match. Only fiesta and grunt have infinite ammo I think.

[solid canopy]

@plucky flicker I'll admit that I think it was a fumble not playing the portion of Sacrafice with the "dun dun dun dun" bit of the Halo theme present

Would've been a really cool way to build off of Composer's opening with the Halo chants as Chief looks over Installation 03

Also a nice bit of fan service

Really, the way Halo 4's music is integrated is a bit of a mixed bag

[civic sundial]

What would your reaction be if I said it was present?

[frosty condor]

https://x.com/halosupport/status/2013817243965235309?s=46&t=_AnmsgrZ7aMJAkv4BDGfYg

Halo Support (@HaloSupport)

✅ The team has deployed a backend update to address reports of matchmaking and service issues in #HaloMCC. If you're currently playing, relaunch the game to receive the change. Submit a ticket at https://t.co/Ya2f8ZXD20 if you continue to experience these errors.

X · Jan 21, 2026, 3:33 AM

[mortal forge]

Hey guys

[summer aspen]

Infinite's elites are definitely not seen as the best Elites, given the current criticisms towards them being in Halo Campaign Evolved.

[cyan forum]

Almost everything about Campaign Evolved is getting criticism though

[summer aspen]

H2A Elites aren't the same design as Infinite's either btw.

[cyan forum]

And not even cuz they look bad, its because they look out of place

[summer aspen]

Same case was for Halo Infinite, just everyone left 2 months in after everyone realized what the game actually was. So most of the negativity you're seeing today is really just from 4 - 5 years of them taking a vacation from Halo or whatever.

Ofc not everyone left, negativitly surrounding Infinite definitely stayed for a while and basically next to no positivity, but Halo Campaign Evolved's announcement really brought it back hard.

Criticism got so bad r/Halo shut itself down for like a week back when Halo Infinite launched.

[cyan forum]

Yes thats why i made the distinction in the first place. They both look nice in their own way

[summer aspen]

It's because they look bad, they always have.
That's the whole reason, they just do.

Infinite Elites honestly look like plastic toys.

They're also incredibly short, way shorter then they should be really. They're like Marine sized.

Legs & arms on them look like tooth picks.

[cyan forum]

I need a source for this because i have literally never heard anyone say their designs look bad

The most common complaint ive heard is that their placement is lazy

And it kind of is 🤷‍♀️

This isnt fitting of a "remake", its just halo ce but with infinite assets

[summer aspen]

? you sure about that?
Every video talking about Halo Campaign Evolved says it looks bad, lazy, etc. That means the designs, it's bad dude.

They want the designs completely removed

[cyan forum]

Yes, i too have watched countless videos about campaign evolveds design

These same channels praised infinites art design in the past

[summer aspen]

again, people want the designs completely removed, not modified to look more classic, removed, because it doesn't look right / good. AKA Designs are bad.

[cyan forum]

I dunno how you can deny that btw, part of why infinite was so hyped up was because of the return to the classic aesthetic

[summer aspen]

You'll quickly find out any of the popular Halo youtubers just follow whatever is popular, if it was popular to like the designs that's what they'll do. If it's popular to hate on them now, shocker, they're doing that now to.

Just like they all praised Infinite's gameplay only to then say it's bad because it became popular to say it was bad.

Point is, it's more then just the usual "popular" guys doing it, it's everyone.

I haven't seen a single person who likes the look of Halo Campaign Evolved want the Infinite Elites there, or any of the Infinite designs at all. Because they don't look good.

[summer aspen]

By a niche audience while everyone else said it looked bad for years. We're really just ignoring that now?

The game was literally made fun of from 2020 all the way to 2022 due to the graphics looking mid, bad, designed horribly, lazy, etc.

I say 2022 because after like Jan. 2022, the games population dropped off a cliff 2 months in, along with anyone in the mainstream audience taking it seriously anymore.

Halo fans suffered massively because of this to, populations nose dived everywhere.

[cyan forum]

What is this niche audience you speak of? Where is the mainstream audience then? Again, part of the hype with halo infinite was that old art style and that old master chief helmet. People cheered for that, it wasnt just a small group of youtubers in the general public

Heck you can still find positive comments all over the more mainstream channels that posted those old trailers like IGN or gamespot etc.

[cyan forum]

And yes this is because of the graphics themselves, not the designs. Big difference

This is also another reason why Campaign Evolved is receiving criticism btw, because it looks like it has technical issues associated with UE5

Some even worry about its optimization

[cyan forum]

Its not because they dont look good, its because they dont look like they belong in a remake of Combat Evolved which has a completely different art style from Infinite. You got Reach inspired marines, Halo 2/Halo 3 inspired elites, Infinite grunts, and even the chief himself is not free of criticism because of small details like his belt not fully circling around his waist like in the older design

For a remake, the littlest deviation from the older designs is gonna anger some people. Imagine RE4 remake but it just uses RE2 remake's assets and designs but tweaked or recolored, people would be furious

[civic sundial]

If you're gonna make a claim like this, at least have some evidence to back it up, the Elites are definitely not the size of a marine

[cyan forum]

Bruh is that the actual in game scale? I guess the figures i collected are way off 😭

The figure scale has the marine at least another head shorter

[summer aspen]

The niche audience that liked Halo Infinite consisting of around 1,000 - 8,000 players tops which kept the game populated from Jan. 2022 to today.

The mainstream audience of over 100,000+ players who dropped the game due to how bad it both looked, ran, and played. Awful on all accounts.

You keep bringing up this "part of the hype was halo infinite was that old art style", No dude. This is misinformation & at best a blatant attempt to rewrite history.
343 Industries claimed it was a return, but no one actually bought this, because it wasn't a return. It was a weird mixture that literally made the game look awful & was constantly made fun of due to how dated it really looked. Still does to this day.
You might've bought it because you're part of that niche audience, but not the rest of the Halo fanbase.

it wasnt just a small group of youtubers in the general public
It basically was.
Heck you can still find positive comments all over the more mainstream channels that posted those old trailers like IGN or gamespot etc.
You can do the same with literally any Halo game, I don't see how this proves anything.
I've found comments back in 2012 saying "Halo is back with Halo 4" when it launched, also because I lived it myself.

this is because of the graphics themselves, not the designs
Graphics = Designs = Graphics = Art style = Graphics.
The designs, art style, etc all make up the Graphics. If players are calling the graphics bad, that usually means everything else is also bad, and that's usually what people begin massively criticizing in the 1st place. Such is the case with Halo Campaign Evolved, the halo infinite designs look bad.

[summer aspen]

Everything about this is just, wrong.

they dont look like they belong in a remake of Combat Evolved
Because the designs look awful. Not because it "doesn't belong", you're getting 2 entirely different things confused here. If Halo Campaign Evolved had an art style that was 1:1 with Halo Infinite, people would STILL say it looks horrible. I don't know what you're not understanding.
You got Reach inspired marines
The marines in HCEV are identical to the Infinite ones, not "reach inspired" versions. People noticed this, people have said they look bad.
Halo 2/Halo 3 inspired elites
The HCEV Elites are 1:1 with Infinite's not spired "halo 2 / 3" elites. Again, people have noticed this, and said they look awful.
Infinite grunts
Another thing people have pointed out that looks awful.

even the chief himself is not free of criticism
Because it's using the Infinite version, what are you not understanding?

[frosty condor]

Please let’s refrain from talking down to other users. Keep it clean, folks

[summer aspen]

If you couldn't tell, that comment was clearly a exaggeration, because the Infinite Elites are tiny when compared to any of the other Elite designs in any of the other games.
Still doesn't change the fact that the arms & legs look like tooth picks.

[cyan forum]

I dont see the correlation there. This particular audience stuck around because they simply enjoy the gameplay and also because its free.

The """mainstream""" people that dropped the game didnt do so because the designs are bad, its because the game itself didnt have enough content 🤷‍♀️

No bruh, the only one rewriting history is you. You can literally go back to mainstream game channels like IGN that show the reveal and theyre all hyped to see the old chief helmet back. Everyone was celebrating the old designs return.

The hype for it all died down literally at the point when they showed that gameplay demo. The same gameplay demo that showed us the static lighting, fuzzy textures, pop in, as well as craig the brute. I dunno how all this just skipped over you, people made their concerns about it really clear, it had nothing to do with the art direction, it was the graphical fidelity of it all

[civic sundial]

The size of Elites have been inconsistent between entries since the Bungie days

[cyan forum]

Campaign Evolved is suffering its own criticisms because again, its blatant asset reuse. Literally every other game fandom expects a remake to be built from the ground up and not use obviously repurposed assets. Its no different in this case. If you claim people are just upset about people just hating Infinite's art design in general then send me some proof. Give me a huge space of people complaining about Infinite's art designs before the CE remake trailer was posted

I can show off a ton of a videos and reddit posts about the discourse with CE:R

And nearly all of it will point out the reuse

Either that or the sprint debates 🤷‍♀️

[cyan forum]

Also the irony here is that ive seen people ask why they DIDNT use the Infinite mark 5 chief because its actually not the same model, at least not entirely. Infinite mark 5 chief has the belt circling the entire waist. Remake mark 5 chief does not

I personally dont mind it either way

[civic sundial]

Asset reuse is such a non-issue to me, I don't see the point in them remaking literally every asset yet again when they can save time by repurposing perfectly good assets they already have

[cyan forum]

Well that depends on person to person. It doesnt bother me tooooo hard but id be lying if i said i didnt want a more faithful remake

It will always be divisive though, thats just every fandom really

[sturdy kernel]

Making new assets is like developing the wheel again, you just can use an already used, and working asset
And it will work perfectly, idk why users don't like it

[civic sundial]

It's not like making the wheel again

[cyan forum]

Im also in the Sonic fandom and most people would absolutely hate it if a remake of the early 2000s games used assets from the recent games which already reuse assets themselves. Its been a problem for years actually but Sonic is not a triple A franchise either so our expectations are kinda low by default

Halo is bigger though, way bigger

[civic sundial]

Like, we're at a point where the graphics of games is plateauing when it comes to realism and the graphical fidelity. There are benefits of remaking older models, but at this point, the benefits are pretty small and likely won't be noticed (At least when it comes to ones from the past 10 years of gaming). And honestly, I'd rather the team making models focus on making models for new stuff than remaking the Covenant designs again or giving us yet another version of the Mark V

This isn't to say they can't tweak already existing models, they have done with the Mark V seen in Campaign Evolved, it's just not worth remaking that design completely again

[cyan forum]

Me who loves mark 5 and doesnt mind seeing it again 😔

[summer aspen]

its because the game itself didnt have enough content
The only time I've seen this excuse get made is by people who are fans of Halo Infinite ngl.

We have tons of games that launched with barely any content, or were the most bug ridden games ever, or both & had no issues retaining players.
For example -

• Fortnite
• PUBG
• Tarkov
• Ark
• Cyberpunk
• Battlefield 4
• No Mans Sky
• Fallout 76
  I could keep going on and on and on, League of Legends is literally just a single map people have been looking at / playing on since the game launched 16 years ago.
  Halo Infinite didn't even have a lack of content issue, it had the maps & the weapons. The problem is the game looked dated, designs look bad, and honestly it's gameplay just isn't fun. You don't have to keep making excuses for it.

No bruh, the only one rewriting history is you
This seems like a "no u" thing so uh..nice try?

I already dismissed the whole "you can go back and watch these videos when it came out" claim, you can do this with any Halo title imaginable, it doesn't change what I'm telling you.

[waxen spire]

oh boy. theyre talking about halo infinites playercount again.

[cyan forum]

Fortnite was not popular at release, it wasnt until the BR mode that it began growing in popularity and even then the game was FREE.

Cyberpunk was popular because of the outrageous hype from all the advertisements as well as good faith by CDPR. It became a laughingstock at release because it was incredibly buggy, not because it lacked content

Battlefield 4 was popular for similar reasons but was also criticized at release for being incredibly buggy. BF fans STILL refer back to this event

Infinite dropped its playerbase faster than all these games and never recovered because it was blatantly buggy and unfinished at release and continued doing so for an entire year. Again, i can go back to all sorts of videos complaining about the lack of content and the dismay with the upcoming season passes being dragged on and barely offering anything substantial to begin with

But all this is besides the point, it had nothing to do with Infinites art design

You still have yet to provide any sort of proof of this argument

Any large forum or video comment section or whatever

[frosty condor]

Please take this topic to the DMs

[cyan forum]

Id rather stop altogether

[frosty condor]

Even better

[cyan forum]

Pray

🙏 im a failure

[waxen spire]

uh

[civic sundial]

So what's everyone's favourite Grunt name?

[frosty condor]

Nothing can beat Yip Yap

[waxen spire]

yip-yap cause idk any other than that

[cyan forum]

I thought it was flip yap

[civic sundial]

YipYap is a good name

[civic sundial]

No, that's Yap Flip, different name

[cyan forum]

[waxen spire]

didnt footed panda say to take this to DMS and nekoo said that they wanted to drop it

[summer aspen]

ive seen people ask why they DIDNT use the Infinite mark 5 chief
They did. They just changed a few things about it. People still complain about it being the Infinite Chief design at all though.

[summer aspen]

haven't read the rest of it

[waxen spire]

you had plenty of time to read

[cyan forum]

Ill just leave it at that

Anyways, i want playable elites back

[summer aspen]

yea i'm replying & reading as the convo goes along

[waxen spire]

anyways
i got my hands on a test build of halo 4 for the 360 a few months ago. its pretty interesting to see its development

i didnt get to launch the game up, due to not owning a devkit 360 but the cutscenes were cool. got to see some cut stuff

[summer aspen]

although unless you have a know how when it comes to navigating dev builds & getting past certain restrictions you probably won't get far

[waxen spire]

the type of files it used wouldnt have made it simple. i know what im talking about, it would just be easier with a devkit or modifications i cant discuss here.

only time i got to stuff like that was the halo 3 mp beta which i dug into too. halos early stages were very interesting

[summer aspen]

Main problem with playable Elites is trying to design them so they don't have a "competitive" issue / problem, or give players any advantages, is incredibly difficult.

[waxen spire]

only put them in casual game modes
easy

[summer aspen]

having to make an elite playable & using all the proper animations for just 1 or 2 modes is not worth it, bungie learned this with halo reach

[waxen spire]

still would be cool tho

[summer aspen]

you also run into the issue where, in a "live service" setting, you have to make new animations for every single new weapon you add exclusive to Elites.
applies to vehicles as well

it's just a whole lot of headache with next to no gain

[waxen spire]

true. it would take alot of work, but i feel like HS could do it. they have some very talented animators over there

[summer aspen]

best case scenario is they design a special "Elite" body that is just 1:1 with a Spartan body

but at that point are you just cosplaying as an Elite in a Spartan body? lol

[waxen spire]

i mean they have elite armor and its only $30!!

[summer aspen]

yea that's about the best compromise they can do

[waxen spire]

i know i was joking

[summer aspen]

and i'm not, because that's exactly what Halo Infinite did lol

[waxen spire]

i know

[summer aspen]

i don't expect that to change in future Halo titles either due to issues, problems, and the over-all headache they'd be especially when it comes to updating the game with new stuff

[waxen spire]

i was just being sarcastic. making fun of their microtransactions cause why not

[summer aspen]

like i said, the best thing they could do is designing an entire Elite body that is 1:1 with a Spartan's body. Same height, shape, uses the exact same animations & more.

but when your game is built around Halo lore, you begin running into lore issues because a Human body does NOT match up with a Elite's over-all anatomy

& at that point, is it really even worth to do for just a couple hundred / thousandish users who'd bother with it?

[waxen spire]

alright bro

we get it. it was just a suggestion

[summer aspen]

i deleted the message cause I replied to the wrong message & now it's being detected as spam 😭

[waxen spire]

I saw it

[cyan forum]

I second this. Honestly the separation of having casual modes could allow for a lot of stuff bungie had issues dealing with

Like dual wielding, loudouts, map hazards, etc.

[plucky flicker]

I think the best one is Faithless in Ivanoff Station. That mission really is the best of Halo 4, and the music is mixed well and suites the moment.

[plucky flicker]

I think they did play it, if I remember correctly, when Infinity attacks Didact's ship with its MAC.

[ashen rune]

did mickey in oni alpha site at some point have a script to use the turret or did that just never work

maybe I'm just confusing his voice with dutch

[ashen rune]

I think NMPD HQ is the first mission I completed without dying in odst... and also my favorite mission in the entire series so far

[solid canopy]

Composer is so good

[solid canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

Yeah idk how I missed that

(It has been a minute)

[ashen rune]

odst is fun but it would be nicer if they would stop stealing my power weapons

[civic sundial]

Who is stealing the power weapons from you in ODST?

NPCs didn't gain the ability to freely pick up stronger weapons from the ground until Infinite

[onyx latch]

I think they mean how every time you go back to mombasa streets you end up with an SMG and pistol again.

[errant jackal]

Hey anyone on Xbox want to play infinite?

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
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Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[ashen rune]

this lol

[ashen rune]

"Welcome to Reach."

[vale swallow]

so wait basically the 3 starting levels of the remake are purely sgt. johnson levels right?

since master chief is in cryosleep?

[short flower]

We’ll see.

[vale swallow]

Where is cortana at the end of halo reach? I forgot

[winged hazel]

on the pillar of autumn

[short flower]

Delivered to the pillar of autumn with Keyes on board.

[civic sundial]

No, the prequel missions are about Chief and Johnson and take place before the Fall of Reach

But we do not know anything else about what the three missions will be about

[signal ivy]

no ADV, don't you know that Chief was put directly into cryosleep after graduating spartan school??

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/press-x-to-doubt-x-to-doubt-wooper-pokemon-woop-woop-gif-12952794857912432270

[cyan forum]

Always wanted to explore the part of the war before Reach

[civic sundial]

Most of it has been pretty explored via the novels

It's mainly the 2540's where we don't have as much so I would like the missions to be set in that decade

And well, we know the UNSC was working on personal energy shields for quite some time before it became a standard feature of Mjolnir with the Mark V. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Chief wore a Mark IV suit with a prototype shield generator on a mission or two

[vale swallow]

Seems... when Noble Six made the last stand, Chief had already been inactive in cryo for several days.
Master Chief’s last active combat before Noble Six died was the Battle of Sigma Octanus IV in July 2552.
After that, he was involved in preparations for Operation: RED FLAG and shipboard readiness while the Pillar of Autumn was being refit at Reach.
Days before August 30, 2552 (Noble Six’s death), Chief was placed into cryo-sleep aboard the Autumn as the ship prepared to depart.

---

Sounds boring. I'd rather play as Sgt. Johnson in the prequel missions. That'd be a new experience.

[civic sundial]

The prequel missions are set before the Fall of Reach, not during

Like, they're gonna be before Chief got his Mark V armour

[vale swallow]

These seem to be the 2 major master chief mission after his graduation from spartan college and before reach
Battle of harvest
Battle of Sigma Octanus IV

[vale swallow]

Whatever it is, it's gotta be auraful

Not cheeks like the tv show

[civic sundial]

Chief didn't fight on Harvest

At least as far as we know

[vale swallow]

It's apparently when Chief gains reputation as a "decisive leader", a possible moment of HYPE

[cyan forum]

Its gonna be weird to have 3 missions meant to show us how johnson and chief became friends, only to play the base campaign and see johnson die like 3 different times 😏

[civic sundial]

Where are you getting this info from?

[civic sundial]

I'm betting Johnson will be made invincible in the remake during gameplay

We'll still see him "die" to the Flood during 343 Guilty Spark

I wonder if they'll do a post credits scene recreating the scene in First Strike where Chief discovers he survived

[cyan forum]

Sounds about right

[cyan forum]

This would be cool actually. Maybe even a new legendary ending

[civic sundial]

Which I know would be different to the original game but I could see them doing it

[cyan forum]

Its a longshot but itd be cool to get another couple missions as dlc as a sort of adaptation of first strike

[vale swallow]

hell yea son 🤝

[golden hinge]

The franchise used to be so good. Then came tons and tons of micro transactions to replace credits or simply completing task for armour and skins. Then came unfinished games where the campaign would drop with 4 multiplayer maps and the rest would be released a year later. Then came season passes being pushed non stop. This franchise bit the bullet long ago and it’s so sad because it is easily a Top 10. Sad to see it tank.

Sorry just quick rant.

[solid canopy]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QQWjwi78klk?si=0xqAMS7q2BfZjoh1

343i/HS Grunt humor has consistantly been in top form

Even Halo 4 had a few funny bits (mostly in Spartan Ops)

Though that is mainly because of how less expressive the Covenant were in Halo 4 + the Grunts' lack of english

[ashen rune]

icl halo 2 sux

easily worst shooter I ever played lol

[onyx latch]

Whoa, based alert?

[left snow]

Micro transactions generate revenue. They aren't going anywhere.

And the new gen players grew up with them. It's just accepted.

I liked the season passes!

The unfinished games hurt though. A lot. Hopefully we don't see that again.

[left snow]

For me that was Halo 3

[cyan forum]

I hope we dont reach a point where games releasing unfinished become accepted

[ashen rune]

ET enters the chat

[ashen rune]

me when drones:

Kat: "Enemy troops from above" grunt I exploded falls out of the sky

[nova basalt]

I think I speak for everyone when I say:
What?

[fringe hedge]

King, I’m confused too

[nova basalt]

Master freak thank you for all the Purple Hearts

[fringe hedge]

Yeah. I know you fought valiantly

[solid canopy]

Halo CE and Halo 2 looking on ominously in the corner

[left snow]

The flipside being that games of that era had to cut content early and hard to meet release deadlines.

[ashen rune]

lol

[plush cosmos]

dos anyone have tips for fighting elites on herioc in halo 1, im having trouble with them on my first heroic playthrough

[ashen rune]

Unload an entire clip of your assault rifle into them from 5 meters away

Then swap to pistol and shoot them in the head when their shield breaks

[plush cosmos]

I mean like if there are multiple, like 2 or 3. cuz the SECOND i turn a corner im getting blasted 😭

[ashen rune]

tbh in halo 1 just sticky them

[plush cosmos]

grenades?

[ashen rune]

Yes

[onyx latch]

Get a plasma pistol or rifle, preferably the latter.

[ashen rune]

You could use a plasma pistol and shoot them but that's not cool

[plush cosmos]

plasma pistol lowkey fun tho

[solid canopy]

As opposed to them not doing that now?

[ashen rune]

Ok if it's fun then yeah just use that to destroy their shields then shoot em in the head with the magnum

[plush cosmos]

the magnum is cracked ngl

[ashen rune]

I just didn't want to suggest the meta noob combo right off the bat lol

[onyx latch]

It's intended gameplay.

[plush cosmos]

also how tf is the big C gonna be scoping with that pistol.

[solid canopy]

Charge that plasma pistol or stun them with the plasma rifle then load lead into them till they hit the floor

[plush cosmos]

i KNEW the plasma pistol was goated

[solid canopy]

I kind of wish 343i flipped this on its head with the Knights and Solders

Lead or Kinetic ammo tears through their armor, plasma deals extra damage to their insides

If they did do this in 5 then I never noticed

[plush cosmos]

There are Knights in later halo 😭 😭

idk i've only played ce so far 🥀

[onyx latch]

I think they're more heavily damaged by hardlight in 5.

[ashen rune]

I really like the hunters in odst/reach

[ashen rune]

What mission are you on

[plush cosmos]

two betrayals on heroic

ts almost made me break my moniter

[solid canopy]

But doesn't hardlight perform similarly to human ammo? It has been a minute so I could be mistaken

[solid canopy]

Be glad you aren't on Legendary

[plush cosmos]

😭

[solid canopy]

Two Betrayals on Legendary was such a pain in the butt

[plush cosmos]

i've actually played the game on normal a LONG time ago, but now im doing heroic

[solid canopy]

I do not want to do that again

[plush cosmos]

i was scared of the library at first but it wasn't TOO bad

it was jst long

[ashen rune]

Fun

[solid canopy]

I was plesantly suprised by The Library on Legendary

It was nowhere as bad as I thought

[plush cosmos]

and then two betrayals just WALKS on in

[ashen rune]

At least it's not assault on the control room

[plush cosmos]

istg im supposed to be THE MASTER CHEIF and im getting thrown around like a green ping pong ball

[ashen rune]

The worst part of that is the random dudes with rocket launchers

[plush cosmos]

i probably have a skill issue though 😔

[solid canopy]

They aren't that bad once you realize their position

[ashen rune]

We all have skill issue

[solid canopy]

https://youtu.be/PUrsOQanozo?si=J98jUZdasFA5fhm_

"The Last Spartan" is cool and all, but '117" blows it out of the water as a theme for Chief

The song is just pure heroism on display

[sage locust]

Halo 3 is tuff

[short flower]

Just another “Died to nothing” type death in firefight. No grenades, no rockets shot at my feet. I had a Hydra! A few hydra missiles are survivable! So tired of this happening!

That’s about to be the fakest death I’ve ever had in FF, and it’s 0% my fault. A Hydra is not supposed to 1 shot you!

[ashen rune]

I just watched a marine run another marine over with a hog 😭

[ashen rune]

that final mission is sooo badass

did the ai get worse with mcc or...

[vale vault]

After two days of trying to fix this abysmal mess that is the Microsoft store and scalping my windows files like a highly irate surgeon, Halo Wars 2 is FINALLY installing properly and I might be able to finish my decade-ly Halo anthology playthrough.

We might be back.

[solid canopy]

When I'm in a "make something that doesn't work" competition and Microsoft is my opponent

[ashen rune]

onedrive deletes halo wars 2

[solid canopy]

I am forever greatful that I never had to put up with Games For Windows Live

[ashen rune]

I haven't used that in so long lol

anyone else feel bad about killing engis

[solid canopy]

Well, it doesn't exist anymore

Hasn't for over a decade now

[wise olive]

Is the Bloodblade any stronger than a standard Energy Sword?

[solid canopy]

I hate to sound "Sega hire this man" but holy cow are the renders and designs Chokepoint Games put out stunning

Ik they used some of their ship renders for the Encyclopedia

[ashen rune]

i see halsey is just as crazy as the show lol

[ashen rune]

about to loot a plasma sword and it fell through the floor 🫠

[compact marlin]

I just did the full run through of the Halo Campaign Evolved Demo on Halo 1 by running pass everyone and I can say that I didn't even lose all my health, I lost one bar and I only got down to yellow cause I fell down the cliff to get to the crashed Pelican and got my health right back. Sometimes the enemy let me walked right past them like I was one of them for a brief second. It only took me 10 minutes, maybe 9 minutes compared to the usual 7 minutes you can do it. Now I did do it on Easy cause I actually can't handle Legendary, but again, it looked the exact same just without sprint. Sprint changes nothing about the remake

[sleek hatch]

The silent cartographer?

[compact marlin]

Yep

[plucky flicker]

I agree. 117 remains one of, if not, the greatest piece of music Kazuma Jinnouchi has ever written!

With the current direction, I don't think we'll ever get this kind of piece, or Green and Blue, ever again.

That's fine. They exist. That satisfies me.

I saw this comment under the video: '3:29 Those 5 notes bring me back to Halo 3', but the funny thing is that.. that fanfare is from Gustav Holts' Saturn, which is again found in What Makes Us Human in Halo Infinite.

I also love how Jinnouchi based the underlying percussion based on the Halo triplet melody. This piano version really shows it: https://youtu.be/8hmqoh-hfqY?si=3pwtaOLN-LbVOnL7

[solid canopy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F1J3z_2Uep8&pp=ygUYSGFsbyBhbm5pdmVyc2FyeSB0cmFpbGVy

Man I wish they'd have Jeff Steitzer do voiceovers for more trailers and videos

Him saying "The campaign of the decade" is seered into my brain

[ashen rune]

Reach was fun

[errant cairn]

Always

[celest heron]

how'd you get a copy of it?

[compact marlin]

...Really?

[errant cairn]

Online download

[compact marlin]

Or I just played CE on MCC

[ashen rune]

Halo 4 has my favorite ar

[celest heron]

I thought it was just given to certain people like influencers. Where would you dl it if it's public now?

[coarse dagger]

There is no public build of Halo Campaign Evolved available

There was a private build released before the announcement at HCS and the build was available at the finals, but nothing outside of that

[celest heron]

Oh, reading it again it might be that they just did normal ce and compared it to the demo? what an odd way to word it if that's the case.

[short flower]

CE has my favorite AR.

The color scheme, design, the fire rate…

Visegrad Scout is the canon coating for the sidekick, with the right model as well that is.

[civic sundial]

I would assume, like real world firearms, the UNSC weapons also come in different colours based off of various factors

I doubt that all Sidekicks would have the exact same colour scheme

[short flower]

So maybe Platinum Anniversary is accurate for trying to recreate the CE sniper?

[civic sundial]

I don't think there's any coating which would make it look accurate to the CE sniper

[short flower]

ah man.

Platinum is close though.

Been using the veteran weapon models for Sidekick, S7, and M41.

[compact marlin]

I said that

I also kind of wrote it in a rush

[ashen rune]

Idk the halo 4 one is just so punchy and I immediately started having fun with it

Usually I just dump it for the br right away lol

[civic sundial]

Halo 4's AR is one of the best in the series alongside Halo 5's

[compact marlin]

Bungie stands would be raging and cursing if they read all of that

[magic ingot]

Nah infinite is they took away its headshot multiplier and it's still a killing spree gun

[rose gyro]

Nice to see Gen 2 armor be represented properly in the artwork. Hopefully it’ll mean they’ll respect and keep the Gen 2 designs to be incorporated in the future properly

[plucky flicker]

I'm just seeing the logo change. I never really loved that Campaign Evolved one anyway.

[storm agate]

HAPPY 25 YEAR ANNIVERSARY HALO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ashen rune]

whoaaaaaaaa prometheans are weird

[thick wren]

Banished Spartans in halo 7

[ashen rune]

I had a Z-750 and a fuel rod cannon at the end of Forerunner

https://tenor.com/view/why-kai125-kate-kennedy-halo-why-tho-gif-25609692

[rose gyro]

Hopefully better looking armor in Halo 7

[solid canopy]

Halo 5's AR is great, my only problem is that it is far to effective of a gun

Especially for a starting weapon

Still, it absolutely looks the part

I love how they called back to Halo CE's pre-release designs and added the white stripe and green grip

[ashen rune]

I liked the end of forerunner but it felt a little railroady

[solid canopy]

4 is probably the most linear game in the series with the possible exception of Halo 2

[ashen rune]

I like how the beginning of the forerunner construct area opens up as if to symbolize the game opening up though

[real socket]

Hey

[dreamy yew]

Need tactical playlist to add BR (like Swat mode from previous games).

Also make tactical playlist popular

Searching for games is crazy long

[pseudo vigil]

You playing on Xbox 360?

[dreamy yew]

No lol pc

[pseudo vigil]

Same here

[winged hazel]

finding it hard to believe the servers for that are still up

[pseudo vigil]

Same it's insane too

Xbox 360 is like a almost 21 year old piece of tech lol (came out in 2005)

[winged hazel]

almost old enough to drink and gamble

not like i think it should be doing either of those things

[pseudo vigil]

Almost? Where I live you can gamble and drink at age of 18 already

[winged hazel]

yeah well america's a little bit less lenient as far as that goes

and for a good reason imo

[pseudo vigil]

Yes

[onyx latch]

The point of 5/Infinite balance philosophy is to make so there's not really a 'starting gun' and to give players more options for viable weapon choice.

[onyx latch]

Except for the whole 'legally able to gamble on everything' issue, which is rapidly causing mass psychosis.

[solid canopy]

Yeah but that kind of defeats the point of Halo's design. The point is that your starting weapons are "fine" but not super effective, giving you incentive to go out and find more powerful weapons on the map

The game's weapons are all fun and satisfying, but sometimes they can feel a little shallow when they are all viable picks

[onyx latch]

I'm gonna stop you right there, that's always been one of the dumbest things people about Halo's weapon design that people have ever clung to and is directly in opposition to the concept of a balanced arena shooter.

There's a reason BR starts are normally much more popular.

[solid canopy]

Yes, for ranked play

[onyx latch]

For all play.

[solid canopy]

But social play is different, it is ment to be lighter and less intense

[civic sundial]

I'd rather have the starting weapons be viable regardless of if it's social or ranked and not be stuck in matches where as soon as someone grabs a BR on the enemy team, they're dominating for the rest of the game while my team is stuck with an AR which is near useless and a pistol which is useless (Looking at you Halo 3)

[solid canopy]

Which is why, for example, Halo 2 starts you off with the SMG and not the BR. People aren't going to start off running around getting headshots like in ranked play

[real idol]

Could I ask, does anyone know what armour the Blue Hayabusa is wearing in the anniversary poster? I recognise the helmet as the Infinite Hayabusa but iirc Infinite only had the helmet, so is the chest piece and such in the artwork from a different armour?

[civic sundial]

Fotus chest, I recognise the shoulders but can't remember the name off the top of my head. Give me a few minutes to double check the name

Shoulders are the Segmented Pauldron from the Agitator bundle in the store

And huh, I just noticed they have a prosthetic arm, neat

[real idol]

Thank you very much! The character looks really cool so I was thinking of trying to recreate them in game

[civic sundial]

You're welcome

And yeah, it's kinda hard to make Hayabusa look bad

[solid canopy]

It's just that cool

[left snow]

I think Halo works best when you have an effective weapon off the rip. You should never feel helpless.

Personally I think the best two starting weapons recently have been the H5 magnum and the Bandit EVO. Both handy over short to medium range. And reversal capability in suitable skilled hands (ie. not mine).

I didn't like the Infinite BR as a starting weapon. It was a little too effective at long range. And it's not easy to nerf with it's burst fire mechanism.

But you are also right - there needs to be viable weapons to scavange for. And power weapons / equipment that are worth dying for. But it's OK to be that player that is comfortable spawning and just happy to run and around and kill people with the initial loadout.

[solid canopy]

You aren't helpless, the starting weapon is there to nudge you to think about using your grenades and melee (and equipment/ablities). Speaking from personal exprience, the Halo 3 AR is still viable so long as you understand that it isn't the only tool in your kit

The H5 Magnum was pretty great

[onyx latch]

Halo 2 is also hated for forcing SMG starts.

[solid canopy]

Which is why Halo 3 brought by the AR

[onyx latch]

Which is still trash.

[left snow]

Yeah. I remember not being fond of those.

[glacial tartan]

H3 AR is strong, unless you're someone who will run around in the open and then complain as you get shot by something more long range in which case yeah

Its pretty much always used in BRs which is interesting - not saying its always the primary because...its BRs, but its not a useless secondary (like if the H2 magnum was)

[sleek hatch]

AR melee combo is pretty good

[celest heron]

go play ascension smg starts against a decent team and then tell me how you feel.

[fringe escarp]

I'm a (somewhat) new halo fan!

[ashen rune]

Hang on.... Halo 4 has robots

That you can ride in?

[civic sundial]

Get in the robot Spartan

[celest heron]

more like a mech if you mean the mantis.

[solid canopy]

I'm just using it as an example

[solid canopy]

^

[celest heron]

okay, if you spawn with a weak weapon, there's a greater chance for a lopsided game.

[sleek hatch]

Nah it's just good. A lot of things beat it

[solid canopy]

Not if everybody else is also spawning with said weapon

The goal is to work as a team and take positions across the map

[civic sundial]

Johnny Pro on the other team found the BR and killed Jimmy on your team, who is now stuck with an AR again as Johnny Pro continues to destroy your team

[sleek hatch]

And thats why BR starts are better than AR.

[celest heron]

okay, your team found better weapons, but died and are now back in the spawn areas while the other team are in the power positions and shooting and killing your team with br's when you try to move across the map. You can't engage them because you only have smgs. now repeat the cycle every time you die. How would this not result in a lopsided game?

[sleek hatch]

Should be a BR in every spawn or close to it.

And depending on the game they spawn very fast. If not, there are other long range options.

[celest heron]

this person said a lopsided game wouldn't happen if people spawn with smgs which is false considering it happens all the time. it would happen less if both teams were evenly skilled due to some weapons spawning near spawn areas like you mentioned, but that's not the case a lot of the time. I'll also add that the map can play a big part of it as well and I'd go back to my ascension example.

[civic sundial]

Also weapons respawn on a timer, there will not be a BR in the bases every time you respawn in them

[sleek hatch]

Terrible map

[sleek hatch]

Some games have BRs spawn in every 10 seconds

[hidden thistle]

The SMG really isnt bad. It’s just the recoil on that…

[ashen rune]

So far I enjoy most of the halo 4 weapons

[celest heron]

it's not good individually because of dual wielding.

[sleek hatch]

I don't know anyone who was a fan of smg starts.

[glacial tartan]

SMG starts were way better than the Plasma Rifle starts on Midship

[sleek hatch]

I totally forgot about that. Or plasma pistol starts in CE

[celest heron]

that was basically just throw plasma nades.

[errant cairn]

Which is why there’s a radar. I’m hearing a lot of skill issue takes

[sleek hatch]

The question is what was the best starts for comp?
CE pistol, BR, DMR, H5 pistol, or Bandit Evo?

[errant cairn]

CE pistol is not best for comp in present day halo dawg 😭

[solid canopy]

I do quite like the Bandit Evo

[sleek hatch]

Sometimes I wonder if people even read the questions I ask.
However, what do you think is the best?

[errant cairn]

Yea I read the question. Why even suggest a 3 shot kill weapon in a game with no spread

Diamond players always tryna throw in opinions 😭

[sleek hatch]

Onyx but whatevs

[errant cairn]

Onyx in infinite is free money

[sleek hatch]

And the CE pistol has a skill gap lol

[summer aspen]

🙏
Praying for it's return as well.

[errant cairn]

Due to spread

[glacial tartan]

CE does have spread, it’s only in hardcore that it doesn’t on the pistol / sniper. That being said CE pistol is one of the more competitive on the list he gave

[sleek hatch]

Bro, what weapon do you think is the best?

[sleek hatch]

It is fun to use, if he can't see it, he must be a gold player or social slayer.

[errant cairn]

In the current present day halo it would not work

[glacial tartan]

It will always be the BR for me because online exists and the spread being calculated differently to account for it is a huge+

[errant cairn]

I’m 2k onyx, champ in h5, and an old Xbox mcc 40 h3 hardcore

[sleek hatch]

I really enjoy the H3 BR

[glacial tartan]

I couldn’t think of a better way to exemplify the skill gap between the older titles, a 40 in hardcore oof

[sleek hatch]

Ok, cool

[solid canopy]

I never said that? I just explained the reasoning behind 2 (which I was just using as an example) using SMG starts

[errant cairn]

😭 my bad og

[glacial tartan]

Everybody knew 50s who were horrible, same with Onyx etc there’s a reason why to competitive players those are the starting points

[sleek hatch]

Are you ever going to say what weapon you prefer? Or are you going to be lowkey toxic?

[errant cairn]

Yea I’ll name a few horrible hardcore players

[glacial tartan]

But to stick with it yeah I don’t see single shot weapons being competitive enough online with the shot reg problems that will always exist

[errant cairn]

H5 magnum is my favorite

[sleek hatch]

Was that so hard?

[errant cairn]

I love CE but it just wouldn’t work in present day halo

[sleek hatch]

Apparently it was...

[glacial tartan]

Why do you keep saying the present day halo part?

I mean I get it but that’s not the question he asked, it seems weird to keep throwing that in like it’s relevant

[sleek hatch]

I think I prefer the H3 BR, because of how you have to lead your shots at a certain range, but the first shot is guaranteed(right @glacial tartan?)
So you can counter a sniper.

[sleek hatch]

Don't take the bait

[errant cairn]

I thought he was asking what would be the best weapon to use for weapon starts in current infinite or something

Or a newer halo

[sleek hatch]

The question is what was the best starts for comp?
CE pistol, BR, DMR, H5 pistol, or Bandit Evo?

[glacial tartan]

We don’t have to guess. It’s right up there. Within our grasp!

“The question is what was the best starts for comp?
CE pistol, BR, DMR, H5 pistol, or Bandit Evo?”

So that assumes within the context of each game, with hindsight, etc.

[sleek hatch]

A better question for you is BR75 or Bandit evo?

[errant cairn]

Bandit

[glacial tartan]

Yes the networking on this was so thoughtful, you can tell they learned from H2 to H3.

[errant cairn]

H4 railgun starts

[sleek hatch]

Why is that?

[sleek hatch]

It is wonderful when people don't know the rules of comp for a game and give feedback for it.

[sleek hatch]

What was that mode called again?

[sleek hatch]

I think the H3 BR is one of the best comp guns. Although, I really do enjoy the Bandit.

[errant cairn]

Maps are too small in infinite for the BR, makes the gun way too strong and easy

[errant cairn]

If you’re hinting at me not knowing the rules for comp, you’re in for a rude awakening 😭

[sleek hatch]

You pretty much admitted that for CE... you could know about the rules for H5 and Infinite and not for CE.

[errant cairn]

Go look at all of my ranks for MCC on this account. I play it regularly. All I said is that there’s spread in CE 💀💀

[sleek hatch]

And panda said in hardcore there isn't spread. So you didn't know something, which is perfectly fine. Just because you got to 40 or 50 doesn't mean you knew the rules.
It just means you played matchmaking enough to get the rank.
How well did you follow the games comp scene or what was your best placement would be a better answer.
Anyways have a great summer, I see this convo going in an endless loop

[errant cairn]

There’s still spread in hardcore even though it says there’s not. MCC ce is screwed over, however the spread isn’t as horrible. It just depends on your pc frame rate.

You are delusional as hell if you think someone could just walk to a rank without understanding the game 💀

Have fun in diamond 4 and rank 11 in radar slayer 😭😭

[sleek hatch]

I have barely been playing infinite, for the time I am at I don't find ranked matches. So I have been playing aocial H3 instead. I have only played 12 ranked games in MCC and the 11 should be hardcore doubles.
A 3 in team slayer.
And rank means nothing. There was a dude in infinite who legit was a Plat 4 and got carried to the highest rank a few seasons ago, by abusing how the ranking system works.
For all we know you could be one of the dudes who bought their rank or abused the system as well.
I know golds with more passion than you.
I will have fun learning and getting better.

[glacial tartan]

I would stop with the weird ranked comparison, there's always a bigger fish 😄

[sleek hatch]

There really is.

[errant cairn]

Yea MagicL gives me belt you right

[glacial tartan]

ggs vs the wizard

[errant cairn]

God forbid I have a life and don’t care to pursue a halo career 😭

And hear me out, I’m not the best halo player of all time. I’m just saying here’s the evidence for me playing the game, I know what I’m talking about

[glacial tartan]

This is a bit of a misunderstanding of whats going on here, rest assured in ranked theres not spread for the pistol/sniper specifically 😄 (and the spread is not tied to framerate either, that was a misreading of what was happening too)

[errant cairn]

Ok well my bad then I’m just trash!

[sleek hatch]

🤣

[glacial tartan]

I didnt say or imply that. Its a super common misunderstanding

[sleek hatch]

We all are at the end of the day

[errant cairn]

No I’m being sarcastic with you dude 😭

[glacial tartan]

🙂

[sleek hatch]

If I guess your favorite Halo. Can I have a cookie?

[errant cairn]

Yea

[sleek hatch]

H5

[errant cairn]

Nah, H3

[sleek hatch]

How about we bury the hatchet and one day play h3 together. You could probably teach me something as I just started playing as I didn't have an xbox back then.

[errant cairn]

Yea I’m down, I don’t play that much anymore due to work but I’m still on my Xbox 😭

[sleek hatch]

I get up before work to play but I am down to play one day

Or maybe infinite too

[errant cairn]

You can add me anywhere and next time I’m online I’ll send an invite

[sleek hatch]

Glad we we came to a resolution.

[real prawn]

I recently played halo infinite and it was meh

my friend recommend halo 5 but I heard its worse than infinite by far. what do you guys think?

[sleek hatch]

It is all personal preference

Ish

[onyx latch]

Halo 5's fine, only real issue is that it's an Xbox One only title.

[sleek hatch]

Try it out yourself

[onyx latch]

It's problably the closest game to Infinite for Halo that exists.

[sleek hatch]

Let us know

You can't play it on the S/X?

[ashen rune]

hopefully they'll release it on other consoles soon since they're branching away from exclusives

or at least pc

[celest heron]

Late reply, but I guess I misinterpreted you saying 'not if everyone spawns with the same weapon' then. edit: n/m.

[ashen rune]

ok I'm finally home and the mantis is so much fun

[ashen rune]

wtf is the mammoth

this game is so cool holy fk

[celest heron]

you didn't see it?

[solid canopy]

Campaign isn't very good but it is still worth playing to complete the series and get some context for Infinite

There are still some cool moments and locations present

But the campaign is just lacking some oomf in regards to the level design and enemy encounters

[pseudo vigil]

Only good thing about Halo 5 is Buck

[solid canopy]

A lot of the downgrades to enemy AI from Halo 4 are still present, certain ranks got mechanically altered to compensate for the squad mechanics, said squad mechanics have to compensate for being put into a Halo game, ect.

But don't just take my word for it. Play it and make up your mind

[ashen rune]

no it's just so huge

I like how the marines shooting corpses thing has gotten actually worse

[onyx latch]

The only good thing about Reach is Emile dying

[sleek hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-castle-hmm-confused-never-mind-gif-16205804

[ashen rune]

I like that punchy boom

[pseudo vigil]

0/10 Ragebait

[onyx latch]

Well, yeah, because it's not ragebait

[pseudo vigil]

It does sound like one though

[onyx latch]

Womp womp

[pseudo vigil]

As you literally said the only good thing about Reach is Emile 💀

[onyx latch]

I mean if you're willfully cutting out one word, sure

[ashen rune]

who's emile again?

is that the guy with the edgy visor paint

bro died so unceremoniously lol

not sure if he actually did anything with his death

"I'll race you" teleports to the end of the map

[onyx latch]

He mostly spends Halo Reach failing at every mission he is given.

[ashen rune]

how can he be such an edgy guy but also a goofball... literally we had warthogs and he's like "go on ahead noble 6" then teleported to the end anyway 😭

[onyx latch]

Which likely was not intended whatsoever

[ashen rune]

idk maybe he was supposed to get in the warthog but I was in a daze or something and didnt' actually hear anything he said

oh wait they weren't warthogs they were the little mongooses

yeah and he was pmo so I just left him lmao

[pearl pulsar]

i feel personally attacked

[ashen rune]

I mean he was pretty cool though, just was going too slow

I was trying to run through and head shot as many things as possible and he was goofing off under the bridge

the whole thing was grim and solemn. I think in a normal game I would feel really deeply sad and emotional but bc it's Halo I'm playing a Spartan and sort of took it in a stoic way

[pearl pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-halo-emile-noble-team-noble-four-gif-13407690802745079126

hes so tuff though

[calm drum]

Hello everyone

[ashen rune]

actually what really pmo was how they did kat

[pearl pulsar]

just the ai's dumb

na kat's death is iconic

[ashen rune]

so true it's crazy to think about how the halo ai hype was just marketing

it's actually worse in halo 4

[pearl pulsar]

i love how kat's death has yet to get an lore reason for why it broke though her helmet

[ashen rune]

the hog turret gunner just shooting corpses for minutes

prioritizing corpses over living enemies... like his eyes are a cone directly in front of his face and he has no peripheral vision

[pearl pulsar]

hi i guess

[ashen rune]

good evening

[pearl pulsar]

other than the ai being bad, Reach is pretty peak

[calm drum]

How are you

[ashen rune]

yeah actually the ai didn't bother me as much in reach it was pretty good all things considered

[solid canopy]

4's AI got a massive downgrade because
A: things lost in translation between teams
B: the Xbox 360 was a year away from being obsolete

[calm drum]

Same here, am new here

[ashen rune]

the invulnerable teammates was weird tho

[pearl pulsar]

aight weird person

[calm drum]

You think am weird

[pearl pulsar]

they really should of taken some form of damage

[ashen rune]

I think he thinks ur grammar is weird imo it's weird to call someone weird for that but w.e

[pearl pulsar]

and then got revived halo 5 style

[ashen rune]

ye, like downed until the end of the fight

odst was perfection

[calm drum]

My grammar weird????

[ashen rune]

idk at all

that was pure conjecture on my part. anyway welcome hope you enjoy halo

[pearl pulsar]

na objectivly halo reach is the best halo

[calm drum]

Thanks for the warm welcome! Can't wait to dive into Halo and have some fun

[pearl pulsar]

whats up the string of people hunting for a late night chat on discord?

[ashen rune]

yeah I mean the sfx are 11/10

[pearl pulsar]

true

[ashen rune]

the music is 10/10, the guns are 10/10, the story is 10/10,

literally my only complaint is ai, but that's not unique to reach

[pearl pulsar]

yeah, yeah very true

[ashen rune]

and iirc it was the best halo for multiplayer at the time

[calm drum]

Hey! Just hanging out, looking for some late-night chat. What’s good with you?

[pearl pulsar]

this may be an ai

holy

[calm drum]

🙄

[pearl pulsar]

bros just typing in chatgpt rn

npc ahh responses

[ashen rune]

anyway I'm playing mass effect I need a break from halo

going from playing john to playing john

also my warrior in final fantasy 1 is named john lol

[calm drum]

Has anyone tried playing infinity kingdom?

[pearl pulsar]

are we also a ad sponser?

trying to promote a rise of kingdoms rip-off?

[ashen rune]

on god I get a warning bc of a bot

how do you report in this server

[calm drum]

Who's saying so

[pearl pulsar]

you are bot

[calm drum]

If that's what you think then its fine

[pearl pulsar]

na na it's the truth

please stop promoting a scummy mobile game

[pseudo vigil]

Raid Shadow Legends in the corner : 😡

[low blaze]

Bro I dont think I can wait all year

I just want to make it so November has come

They got a chance to make the second half of halo CE good now

[cyan forum]

https://youtu.be/lGgxhuWt53o?si=Dcp56d5YPI2hhnot

Recently rediscovered this banger. I really wish this theme ended up in halo 5 or infinite, its so cool 🙏

[round forge]

I could absolutely see this in a future Halo game. I this theme on it's own has given me so many crazy ideas of how they could set up the customisation menu.

I think it would work so well as either the menu theme for customising your spartan or in campaign for setting up the MC's equipment.

Just going by sound and title of the track.

[cyan forum]

Yeah it definitely sounds like a theme for a customization menu or something. Though funny enough i envisioned this playing in a final mission kind of scenario for the campaign. Like this would play as chief and some marines do a final push against an enemy stronghold or something like that

Infinites ost needed more of this type of energy which has been largely absent in Halo 3 and beyond (except for Reach which had a couple rock tracks)

[round forge]

Kind of made me think of a cutscene building up to a final confrontation where the MC and marines are gearing up preparing for battle.

[cyan forum]

Ooh a suit up and gear up scene fits as well

[sullen kiln]

For server moderation concerns, please send a direct message to @upbeat plover.

[slow valve]

Would the covenant have been successful in completing the great journey if the prophets hadn’t betrayed the elites?

[onyx latch]

Problably.

[shadow turret]

Just casual modes most likely
A lot of people never touch Ranked/Competitive modes
Campaign I get bc it's seperate and payed
And customs is really just a preference thing, and tbh I can see how some people haven't
I have like over 2k hours and barely any customs bc I just don't enjoy them much

No
It auto equips the BUTLR AI when you load the game, whether you've done the training mode or not

Also completing the campaign I can see why it's so low
Bc a lot of people dislike Infinite's campaign, or just haven't played

For me, most of them were like when I started
Which was a few years ago

[rose gyro]

Or really hopefully all of CE. Seriously that game was just one giant chore to play through that annoyed me constantly and drained me at the end of each level

[stoic sky]

Am I the only one who feels like the advertising for the 25 years of Halo celebration looks to happy go lucky? Halo’s atmosphere has changed so much, it went from “brink of extinction fighting for survival” to “yay! I’m a super soldier killing aliens!” Any thoughts?

[nova basalt]

It’s advertising for a celebration, of course it’s going to be fun and positive

[celest heron]

how would you propose it look?

[stoic sky]

I guess I just prefer the tone of the older games, but I do really like playing Infinite despite the shift in tone

[civic sundial]

I wouldn't really say the older games were all that dark and grim honestly

Like, yeah humanity was on the back foot but it didn't feel like it was going for this feeling of everything is hopeless

[rose gyro]

TBH, Halo’s original artstyle never made it look that bleak to me, just sort of a “wow, like at this mysterious and wondrous epic sci-fi adventure we’re on!” With CE and then just sort of more epic yet kind of cartoonish with 2 and 3

Halo Reach is where it looked bleak and depressing and 4/5 was gritty and epic looking and Infinite is just… CE again

[rose gyro]

Yeah those games weren’t like NieR levels of bleak and depressing

[cyan forum]

Sidenote, I always appreciated how the classic Halo trilogy would avoid unnecessary melodrama like that. Even Reach with all its somber scenes stayed away from it and the marines around you were always ready to continue the fight even though the destruction of the planet was inevitable

Its why i seriously dont vibe with the later stories, even Infinite's more grounded story with the pilot

[rose gyro]

I just didn’t vibe with the classic games artstyle for the UNSC

Which is why Infinite’s artstyle was so disappointing beyond the stuff with color saturation

[solid canopy]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/eJd5YP

I was kind of hoping they'd lean more towards this for Campaign Evolved

Keeping the original geometry of a lot of the structures, but adding some polish and detail in a way that stays true to the original look

[rose gyro]

I don’t see the problem

Tbh, I just prefer 343’s direction with artstyle overall before the awful Infinite change

[civic sundial]

With a few tweaks, you can make the Infinite marines look much better. The main issue is the colouring of their armour not having enough contrast. As per the example I have, making the cloth parts of their BDUs a grey colour and the solid armour pieces green makes the design work much better

[rose gyro]

The CE remake comes off as a nice retro sort of alteration

[rose gyro]

Does look like an improvement

Still plain in terms of color though

Like the paint is new

[civic sundial]

This was just me doing a very quick edit in Blender a few months back to see if an idea someone else had would work

[rose gyro]

Still though. That’s the sort of problem with Infinite’s artstyle (among other things), where the coloring comes off as like everything is freshly painted onto the armor with a simple material

[cyan forum]

I always thought 3's marine struck a perfect balance between 1 and 2's

Reach tried to look a little more tacticool. I dont hate it but yeh def not as unique as the very green, camoed bois from 3

[rose gyro]

I didn’t really care for how the marines looked in 3. 4 was pretty jarring with the color switch up and Reach was honestly the best look

They just looked really generic in the classic games with the ODST standing out for looking different and unique

[civic sundial]

You know the Infinite marines are directly based on the Reach marines, right?

[cyan forum]

A little ironic. The Reach marines are almost the same as the ones from Infinite

[rose gyro]

Closer to what I’d like to imagine how space soldiers should look