halo-discussion

[winged hazel]

you on linux by any chance? if so you can try changing the proton version in the game properties

should that not work i'll need to redirect you to #1075989764026675210

[grizzled kestrel]

nope, on W11.. months ago it worked just fine without any crashes

[grizzled kestrel]

thanks!

[muted dagger]

are there any books that heavily feature odst's other than those of alpha 9?

[uneven bison]

The flood, Cole protocol, Basically every kilo five

[muted dagger]

thanks

[solid canopy]

There was this one comment from Issac Hannaford about wishing he looked more into the "Spartan" weapons with Halo Reach. If I remember correctly it was about wanting to elaborate upon the Spartan Laser and develop a whole line of guns made for Spartan deployments. I randomly remembered that and I realized it was a missed oppurtunity for them not to work with this idea in the 343 games

Especially wish how Spartan IVs and their lore is made so important to the multiplayer in those games

The Railgun, SAW, and Hydra all feel like they could fit into those niches

[mild gazelle]

so true

[cyan forum]

Really wish we got more of that instead of the derivative and boring forerunner weapons

[celest heron]

I don't think they were boring, but having three groups all with their own weapons can make it a bit bloated in mp.

[solid canopy]

The Forerunner weapons of Halo 4 and 5 were only like that because playtesters didn't like or didn't understand how to use the more unique weapons 343i cooked up

They eventually figured that using basic archetypes like "Battle Rifle", "Shotgun", "Sniper", ect. clicked with players a lot better

I do actually like a few of the Promethean weapons, namely the Halo 4 Boltshot and Halo 5 Binary Rifle, as well as the Splinter Grenade

The Splinter Grenade fits really snuggly between the Frag and Sticky

H4 Boltshot was a back-pocket shotgun, and the Halo 5 Binary Rifle had a great "high risk/high reward" gameplay loop to it that made mastering it very fun

Halo Infinite made the Scattershot obsolete with the Heatwave (though "Scattershot" is a better name.) The Suppressor and Lightrifle both looked super cool but didn't bring much new.

[cyan forum]

Regardless most of them were derivative and tbh the "spartan weapons" we got werent much better, like the SAW and rail gun which was really just a faster minigun and spartan laser mechanically

[solid canopy]

Well those weren't offically designated "Spartan Weapons", I was just saying that they could work with that title

[cyan forum]

Of all the forerunner weapons, i wish they propped up the sentinel beam (or focus rifle) earlier. Thats classic quake design right there, a focus laser gun that can kill as long as your aim is consistent. Infinite at least revived it tho 🤷‍♀️

[cyan forum]

Im aware

[solid canopy]

Halo 5 Binary Rifle is just an improved Focus Rifle

[cyan forum]

Kinda yeah

Kills a little too fast tho

[solid canopy]

Thats the thing, it is super strong, but you have to know how to use it

[cyan forum]

I like the idea of a not too slow, not too fast, killing beam weapon

Rather than another power weapon

[celest heron]

splinter nades were almost useless in h4, but were better done in h5. h4's boltshot was terrible cause of how easily it was abused (they had to nerf it which didn't really do much), and h5's binary was a bit awkward with the recoil, but at least you didn't die by one shot to the toe.

[cyan forum]

I think in an equal starts mode, the H4 boltshot wouldve been a cool middle ground between utility and power weapon tho ngl

[solid canopy]

The beam doesn't go into the weapon overheats like the Focus Rifle, so you have a very small amount of time to make your shot count. And if your enemy moves out of the way or spots you with the targeting laser, you risk losing your shot. There is also the challange of trying to rack up multiple kills with beam; the fast kill time and short span of the beam means you really have to know how to manage it

[true peak]

I think the Focus Rifle wasn't supposed to be a killing weapon, just a suppressing one. Make people hesitate getting out of cover, weaken the ones that do for your teammates.

[celest heron]

the microwave was good if your opponent was standing still.

[cyan forum]

Yeah and thats how i prefer it. A utility beam weapon, rather than just a more gimmicky sniper power weapon

[solid canopy]

100%. The Boltshot's poor reputation really comes only from Halo 4's loadouts being poorly designed.

[cyan forum]

Exactly

The boltshot is a weird as heck weapon but thats pretty fitting for Halo

[solid canopy]

Well, the Sentinel Beam and Focus Rifle can both co-exist. Hell, they did co-exist after Halo 5 introduced the safeguard Sentinel Beam

i sometimes forget about the safeguard ngl

[solid canopy]

The Pulse Grenades were... poor to put it lightly.

I may not love the Spike Grenade beyond it having a cool design, but it could actually kill an enemy somewhat reliably

I think the Flame Grenade from Halo 3 was a better canidate for the role of "Brute Grenade" in Halo Infinite

It worked because it filled the same niche as the Splinter Grenade in being effective at area denial

Not to mention the added fun of letting the flames spread to players and vehicles

[celest heron]

it being a 1sk for up to ten feet away in some instances was the main issue. if the charge damage was greatly reduced, then I don't think it would've been an issue as a loadout.

[cyan forum]

I dunno, id still argue we could go without the beam rifle. Not really because i dislike it but because its kinda redundant and a different power type weapon can be used instead

[solid canopy]

The way I view it is:
Frag Grenade, great for dealing with crowd control and clearing out rooms. The ablity to bounce it adds an extra layer of depth

Plasma/Sticky Grenade, made for dealing with specific targets. Added strategy with how the grenade will have a brief period before exploading, letting enemies catch their teammates in the explosion or plant it as a trap for enemies not looking where they are going

Splinter Grenade, Area denial is the name of the game. The shards expload on impact meaning that unlike the pulse grenade, players can't just walk away with little damage to them. Also not as easy to avoid as the Pulse Grenade because no giant orange bubble. You can also use it as an effective temporary barracade against vehicles, letting them slam into that explosive barbed wire

FTR a lot of the Splinter Grenade's roles also apply to the Flame Grenade in Halo 3

Though that one has the extra bonus of letting the flames deal damage even after players have walked through the grenade's effected area

[cyan forum]

Imo i always liked the splinter grenades unique role in 5. Felt like a proper expansion of the flame grenade which was kind of underutilized

Im both campaign AND mp

[solid canopy]

I think a lot of the issue comes back to how Halo's weapon sandbox had been so well developed over the course of a decade. The UNSC and Covenant weapons all fit pretty tightly together in their specific roles. Adding a third faction of weapons means looking for gaps to fill where there aren't a ton to be filled. That is on top of making sure players can reliably use them when dealing with Promethean-only encounters

[solid canopy]

Oh 100%, though it did get a bit more love in ODST

With how brief the Brutes appear, I get nixing the Spike and Flame grenades in Reach

[cyan forum]

At least we kept the hammer tho

Thats a staple

[solid canopy]

Halo Infinite's Dynmo Grenade (think that is what it is called) is neat enough, but I kind of wish it was a piece of equipment instead like the Power Drain in Halo 3

[cyan forum]

Oh yeah i miss the power drain. No wonder i like playin with the dynamo grenades

[civic sundial]

Not really? The Heatwave is a weaker weapon than the Scattershot. And by that logic, the Bulldog made the classic shotgun obsolete as well since that doesn't appear in Infinite

[civic sundial]

The Focus Rifle wasn't in Halo 5, it and the Sentinel Beam have never been in a game together

[solid canopy]

Sorry, I misspoke

I ment the Binary Rifle

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[cyan forum]

Infinite is all over the place like that. I like the electric grenades a lot and the ability to stun brutes and grunts in campaign is so good

But then it introduces the bulldog, like why? Nobody asked for this lol

[solid canopy]

The Heatwave builds upon the idea Halo 5 was leaning into with the bounceable projectiles and adjustable firing angles (for lack of a better word)

The Heatwave is also just a lot more fun and interesting than the Scattershot

[civic sundial]

That doesn't make the Scattershot obsolete though

[solid canopy]

Which for the record, I don't hate. I just think it didn't really do enough to make it stand out from the regular shotgun

[solid canopy]

It makes it redundant ig

[civic sundial]

Because they wanted to make a shotgun which was more common than the old one, since it was always a power weapon. Which in turn meant that if it had to be more common, it would need to be weaker. This is stuff they talked about back when they first showed off the Bulldog back in 2021

[celest heron]

are you talking about the bulldog or scattershot?

[solid canopy]

Scattershot

I do actually like the Bulldog.

[civic sundial]

And Halo's had plenty of weapons which exist within the same game which make other weapons "redundant". BR and Carbine, BR and DMR, Sniper and Beam Rifle, I could go on

Heck in Infinite the BR, Bandit, Vestige Carbine and Commando all overlap in what they can do

[celest heron]

how do bounceable projectiles not stand out?

[celest heron]

I think that was a mistake.

[solid canopy]

They didn't go as hard with it as they did with the heatwave imo

[civic sundial]

I think it would've been fine if it existed alongside a power weapon shotgun from launch

[celest heron]

it wouldn't be a shotgun if the projectiles had the heatwave's range.

[civic sundial]

What does this even mean?

[cyan forum]

Pretty misguided imo. We need that old shotgun back

Its one of those arena shooter tropes that should lowkey never be messed with

[civic sundial]

Refer to my statement about how how I wish there was a power weapon shotgun at launch alongside the Bulldog

[celest heron]

I think that'd be cluttered. just make a power weapon shotgun that everyone recognizes.

[cyan forum]

3 lowkey already did that a long time ago funny enough

With the brute shotgun, forgot the name

[celest heron]

mauler

[cyan forum]

Yes

A weaker shotgun but faster firing and more melee dmg

[celest heron]

and duel wieldable, but makes sense since it's another faction's shotgun.

[civic sundial]

I thought it did around the same damage?

[cyan forum]

And question for y'all, do you think dual wielding NEEDS to return?

[civic sundial]

Like, it was just better to use than the actual shotgun

[celest heron]

the problem with dual wielding is you need to nerf the single weapons or else they'll be too op when you have two.

[cyan forum]

For me i dont think so. Im sure it must be outstandingly difficult to balance around equal starts arena modes, but i would loooove to see it come back for campaign and even some more casual modes like BTB

Yeh that's understandable but the solution may have been more simpler than they thought

But it seems like it was never considered which is sad

[solid canopy]

The H5 Scattershot's projectiles didn't add as much flexablity as the Heatwave has

[solid canopy]

You basically have to design a sandbox in a sandbox

All the dual-wieldable weapons have to function well together when using them with another gun

As fun of an addition as it was, I do think it was a good call to leave it out of releases post-Halo 3

With the exception of H2A Multiplayer

[celest heron]

it also becomes harder if you add more factions to the mix.

[cyan forum]

Like i said, i think it couldve absolutely been kept for certain modes, including all the PVE ones

[celest heron]

there is a team duals playlist

[cyan forum]

Halos customizable nature really has me wondering why that was never considered

[civic sundial]

Not every weapon needs to be flexible. The Scattershot was good at single target damage (Being a one shot kill against Spartans in its effective range) but it had projectiles which bounced on surfaces, which can be used to deter or flush out someone from round a corner. However, unlike the Heatwave where this was a more prominent feature at the cost of damage, it was not the primary feature of the Scattershot. The Scattershot is a parallel weapon to the pump action shotguns most Halos feature

[solid canopy]

Sure. I'm just saying that, at least in my view, the Heatwave builds upon the ideas the Scattershot toyed with and stood out a lot more

They aren't 1 to 1 in terms of their roles and mechanics and if I'm being totally truthful, that is probably why the Heatwave appeals to me more

But the Heatwave is definitely built from the Scattershot's foundation, at least from where I'm sitting

[solid canopy]

I know I just critqued this, but rewatching Avatar 1 a few weeks ago made me think about how if they ever made the Cyclops a vehicle in the mainline series, you could make it first person. Give it its own set of weapons for it to pick up or hell, give it a giant combat knife

Just to be clear, this is entirely hypothetical. I'm sure a system like this would be a total pain in the butt to implement

Also it just occured to me that "Cyclops" is kind of a strange name for a UNSC vehicle. All the other UNSC vehicles are named after animals like "Scorpian", "Hornet", "Warthog", "Mantis", and "Grizzley". Meanwhile, a Cyclops is a mythical monster that has more in common with men than animals

[onyx latch]

The Pulse Grenade had a slightly different but similar niche, I wouldn't say it was so much worse as different.

[short flower]

I liked the light rifle in halo 5: guardians more than 4. Well, poor suppressor as players say got worse in that game

[civic sundial]

I think the Suppressor should've been a hybrid weapon where it has multiple modes, similar to the Halo 4 Light Rifle. So instead of zooming in, it toggles the mode it's in between SMG and Assault Rifle modes

[solid canopy]

The H5 Suppressor is kind of weird to me because of how much it steps on what has firmly been the Needler's terf

Just replace the super combine with it being decent at armor damage. Then again, I could be misremembering, it has been a minute

[short flower]

I liked how even on legendary, light rifles still kinda shredded Promethean soldiers. Like it was a goto basically.

On Knights, just gotta hit the arms first.

I liked how in 4, plasma pistols actually worked on them.

[olive rover]

Oof I’ve stepped away from halo multiplayer for a few days and come back only to find I’ve forgotten the skills I had

[celest heron]

I think they're too easy to dodge in h4. they can be a deterrence in instances, but the majority of times you can just go right through them while taking very little damage cause of how long they stay up.

[vale swallow]

1. halo: campaign evolved
2. halo: the great journey
3. halo: the ark

[onyx latch]

They instakill you when they 'pop'

It's why they are effective area denial, humans have a bad ability to time things when under duress. Such as being shot at in a video game.

[cunning oyster]

Hugging walls is quite the technique. Very useful.

[cunning oyster]

That happens to me literally everyday.

Sometimes I’ll retain what I learned, and then forget and go back to being trash.

[solid canopy]

Still prefer splinter grenade by a long mile

[heavy edge]

My Halo infinite keeps freezing on me on Xbox wtf

This never happened before

[rose gyro]

Splinter grenade does feel more useful

Though my issue with 5 Promethean guns is they don’t exactly feel like they pack the same punch. I also feel like they should’ve delved more into the multi-function weapons with Promethean guns as their sort of shtick as weapons where each gun essentially has two modes based on whatever you’re aiming or not or if you’re holding the trigger or not like the pistol in 4

[solar brook]

is getting the Keystone helmet for Halo 4 in the MCC exchange still possible to acquire? (sorry for interrupting, got sent here from another channel)

[celest heron]

in my experience, they're only effective if I come across one that's already activated. If I see it get thrown and activated, then I'll just sprint right through it.

[short flower]

I wish firefight in infinite would tell you what you died to. Some deaths I swear are just out of player control.

5,725 score recently, would be 6k if I was able to stay alive man.

[warped seal]

ODST Legendary anyone?

[short flower]

I still one day strive to score 7k on a firefight match.

[short flower]

Firefight really does have a lot of issues. Good gracious.

[short flower]

Yet another issue this time with the game is, I completed a firefight match but it said my score was 0. So it didn’t count. This has got to be fixed.

Really annoying man.

[celest heron]

a lot of times it's just an enemy sneaking up behind you like a suicide grunt or a fusion coil blew up near you.

[celest heron]

could just be a ui glitch. try restarting and see if your xp went up although it might be too late if you already played another game.

[solid canopy]

Is Halo 5 MP still active at all?

Like do people still schedule matches at any time to make up for the lack of players or is it just really quiet now

[marble vale]

Does anyone want the old Halo character customisation for the colours to come back for halo infinite instead of just armour coatings?

[radiant sundial]

Yes but barely

[radiant sundial]

It should be

[left snow]

Not really.

Coatings are much better.

I would let players earn/buy "paints" that they can apply to coatings before putting them on your armour.

You could have a rookie coating and basic paint colours to keep classic diehards happy.

Modern fans could have colours and effects such as grime or wear etc

[marble vale]

I meant for future games like the three or two things of colours are records are all right but wouldn’t you want to pick your own colours? Not have a set already made when you want to pick your own colours and plus why are you a hater bro? You do realise what I’m talking about was one of the things that made Halo Halo right? If you didn’t have the colours in the old halos Halo wouldn’t be the same and for one thing with the coding is there are some coatings that are absolutely awful. Some codings are okay but a lot of them are just not that good. and I see that you’re an OG halo fan now if you were an actual OG fan, you would be not be saying arm coatings are better maybe you should change that from OG to nothing I should know cause I’m one of them I’m constantly playing Halo infinite and the OG Halo games almost every day and yet I have a life and I know everything about the lore that’s an OG halo fam

[winged hazel]

friendly reminder that "OG fan" does not equate to "OG purist"

wait never mind - darwi literally said "classic diehards" lmao

[marble vale]

How is that funny? I don’t see how that’s funny. And I hope you realise that the thing about the paint and could have colours in effects as grime or where that’s literally what that is but for the old Halo games and I don’t think armour coding is better. A lot of the armour coatings are not that great looking. I wish we could pick our own colours for armour coating like what I was saying that would be much better than what that guy was saying.

[nova basalt]

I like coatings because I like camouflage

[onyx latch]

Based camo enjoyer

[marble vale]

I’m saying some people like the OG Halo customisation for the colours I have five friends that want that to come back but with modern stuff not just armour coatings

[onyx latch]

"OG customization" is thinking too small.

[marble vale]

You do realise I’m just thinking about bringing back the colours the numerous colours where you get to choose what colour you want do your halo tan I’m just saying we should bring that back but with modern stuff in the newer halo games

[onyx latch]

Yeah the old way sucked and should stay dead

[marble vale]

Why are you guys being haters?

[onyx latch]

Disagreement is not hating.

[marble vale]

Bro, you’re literally saying it sucked and it should’ve stayed dead. That’s putting hatred on it. If you weren’t putting hatred on it you wouldn’t be saying that crap.

[onyx latch]

You're just saying that because you like the thing I'm not a fan of.

[marble vale]

No, I’m saying that you’re being a hater because you’re saying it sucked. It should’ve stayed dead that’s being a hater now. If you don’t wanna be a hater then you shouldn’t have said that stuff we can have disagreements but if you’re trying not to be a hater, then don’t be saying it sucked. It should’ve stayed deadbecause if you’re saying that then you’re putting hatred towards the game cause that’s what made the customisation for the game.

[wooden briar]

I do: more freedom to apply cosmetic appearances in more ways is always better.

Selling coatings is like selling a whole outfit's color coordination. Why not just let players choose which pieces are which color?

[marble vale]

Exactly, thank you that’s what I’m trying to go for with this whole discussion thing

[wooden briar]

My personal theory is that it was a well-intended monetization innovation: "get this look for $15" sounds appealing in concept, but it's a tall order to ask a consumer to shift from assembling their own color coordination to only being able to choose from essentially a stylebook where you have to buy each page.

[nova basalt]

I think the next game color customization should be a coating hex template where you choose colors, but then you can unlock different undersuits, shaders, grime, textures, patterns, decals, and stuff like that.

[glacial tartan]

To me this fits a tonnnn of the last decade+ of Halo. Good intentions, but the execution....

[sturdy kernel]

I just want to have the gen 2 Mjolnir in the next halo game, I don't care about colour choosing, but gen 2 Mjolnir should be in the next game

[rose gyro]

Wish it was more active but at least Warzone is still pretty alive

[rose gyro]

Me too

[shadow turret]

This tbh
Basically unlock patterns/colors, and let people build their own coatings

[civic sundial]

Or alternatively, allow us to choose which coating goes on which armour piece; so body, helmet, left shoulder, right shoulder, gloves, etc

[shadow turret]

That'd prolly be more confusing, but yea

[sleek hatch]

Destiny?

[civic sundial]

I wasn't thinking of Destiny

[civic sundial]

Maybe but it'd mitigate the main issue with coatings. And well, I think being able to choose a coating per piece would let people to get a bit more creative (Or cursed) with how they look. So you could have people making perfect recreations of Agent Washington from RvB via Cadet Grey and Cadet Yellow being used together... Or someone who decided to make the most garish looking Spartan where every armour piece is a different coating which is the brightest possible coatings they can find

[shadow turret]

Yea

Imagine a Spartan that was just entirely the green accent from Halcyon Days lol

[celest heron]

all I know is we should never have to pay for basic colors.

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-x-files-homer-simpson-mr-burns-scared-gif-20366343

[shadow turret]

This tbh
I honestly have never minded mtx being a thing (in f2p games anyway, payed games is where it starts to annoy me)
But at least all the default MCC colors should be available/added

(I'm still annoyed about not getting a good coating to match my MCC colors, the new one with Adamant is the closest)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255973580349378676/1387149373695332476/image.png?ex=6960ab46&is=695f59c6&hm=0d0ad648b0a2a7890c767a277acff37c1b0d4e7fce8ec44ee8566f9b251079ce&

[rose gyro]

The games free to play, especially with how its colors and textures are mixed together basically means they kind of have to be paid for just like with Warframes color palettes. Could’ve been done better but having it be free is iffy

[rose gyro]

And they say the 4/5 artstyle looks like power rangers

[celest heron]

there's other ways to make money other than charging for a basic all red color for example and there are a ton of colors as well which they can pay for.

[sullen owl]

For the next Halo I'm imagining we'll see the OG 1903 Crayola color set as default and a monthly subscription pass to a color wheel.

[safe edge]

Does Gravemind know who Didact is?

I played Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 4 and Halo Reach on original Xbox and Xbox 360

I don’t have an Xbox 1 or Xbox Series X so I can’t play Halo 5 and Halo Infinity

[civic sundial]

Yes, the Didact had a very interesting conversation with the Gravemind (In their previous incarnation from the Forerunner-Flood War)

[safe edge]

It sucks that Gravemind can’t be a boss in Halo games. I want to face Gravemind in Halo games

[rose gyro]

Yes. The Gravemind is basically the reason why the Didact goes off the deep end and mutates himself to look freakish in 4

[marble vale]

There are plenty of fair ways to pay for things—campaign expansions, real content drops, meaningful additions that actually change how you play. That’s worth money.

But charging for basic cosmetic customization—colors, coatings, textures—doesn’t add substance. It just turns self-expression into a transaction. When you pay for how you look instead of what you experience, you’re not investing in the game—you’re just burning money for pixels.

Customization should be about freedom and identity, not monetization. Bring back the color picker like the Master Chief Collection had. Let players express themselves without a paywall. Save the price tags for content that actually matters.

[rose gyro]

Here’s the thing, that all depends on what is free and what isn’t. If all the actual gameplay content in the game isn’t paywalled, then individual expression kind of does require premium currency.

If you played something like Warframe, you’d know that that game, with all the things it adds that are free and earnable through gameplay, basically needs to have its cosmetics be behind a paywall from color palettes to attachments and skins and effects. It needs to because all the actual content is entirely free

Again, it could’ve been better implemented but we need to actually account for what kind of game this is

This isn’t Destiny where we’re being charged nearly full game prices for expansions and game modes

Don’t even need Xbox Live Gold subscription to play multiplayer like you needed for 5

[marble vale]

Bro, stop talking about like it’s war frame it’s not war frame this is Halo. It’s nothing like war frame war frame has. And also destiny is a whole different game we’re talking about Halo and only Halo. Would you want more freedom on cosmetic appearance versus having to spend real last money?

[rose gyro]

I’d like more reasonable prices but you’re ignoring what Halo Infinite is. It’s a free to play game that you can just pick up and play without any content being paywalled from you as all you need is internet connection and that’s it. Even the campaign is free

Cosmetics being priced is basically a tradeoff for that situation

You can’t just have a free to play game with all the content not being paywalled and then just letting players have whatever cosmetic customizations they want.

[marble vale]

Bro, you have to understand that I’m not talking about Halo infinite. I’m talking about other Halo games in the future.

[marble vale]

Bro, you have to understand that I’m not talking about Halo infinite. I’m talking about other Halo games in the future. yeah everything shouldn’t be free but the cosmetic like stuff like coatings and where you get to choose your own colours that stuff should be free but if you want experience in the game then you should play the game and earn the stuff instead of spending actual money on that stuff. and to be fair, you sound very salty towards me and I don’t appreciate that.

[hallow dagger]

Anyone know where the Repair Field spawns on the firefight map Gyrefight? I know there's one there cause someone used it

[rose gyro]

I’m not being salty. I’m saying that if it’s gonna be a free to play game, don’t be mad if cosmetics are priced, that just to trade off of that sort of thing.

If the next Halo games require being purchased like an actual game then yet, cosmetics shouldn’t be priced but earned with in game currency much like with MCC

[marble vale]

The In currency for MCC is that you have to play the game to get Spartan points but still you have to unlock that cosmetic but you don’t use actual money versus Halo infinite

[sleek hatch]

I hope they fix infinites reticle system in the next Halo. I always disliked how different resolutions change it and I am in the fence about how FOV changes it.

[marble vale]

See for the master chief collection you can’t just purchase stuff to get Spartan points for the currency. You have to grind at the game to get the sparring points a.k.a. currency but the item gives you a certain amount of point to use but this is where you grind and grind and grind and thenget the cosmetic cause you earned it. You don’t actually spend real money on cosmetics not like Halo infinite and mass chief collection is from the first halo to Halo 4+ reach.

[rose gyro]

Yes because you have to buy the Master Chief collection with the benefit that it’s just a bunch of older games being packaged together so they can’t really try anything like expansions with it.

Infinite meanwhile is free to play with new content being added for free save for season passes but those aren’t time limited and offer primarily cosmetics

[marble vale]

Bro I originally got it for free when it originally came out in all things to hire cost in California of yes the price did go up a little bit but that’s only 5 to 6 bucks for the game which is not bad but my answer still stands and if you’re calling it old games then maybe consider you being old because I am 27 and I’m older than Halo itself so if you’re older than me, just reconsider you call the game old games because that means you’re just calling yourself old

[rose gyro]

What?

When I say older games, I literally mean that it’s just taking all the games from the 360 era and earlier and putting them on current gen consoles while packaged together

[marble vale]

Don’t change the subject dude and for the record you can only get the chief on the Xbox and the PC. You should really do the math of your age and then the age of Halo Halo is 25 years old and I’m 27 so if you’re older than meand you calling that era of old games old just reconsider what you’re saying about calling things old because that will go back to you as you being old

[inland minnow]

"older" can mean "prior" or "previous" just as much as it can mean "vintage" or "ancient"

regardless, whatever's happening here needs to simmer down. there's no need for insults. keep discussions civil

[winged hazel]

kind of a stupid question but how do you go about earning halo credits in infinite? by playing the game i take it?

[celest heron]

the campaign isn't free. You can get it on game pass, but you're still paying for that sub and not everyone has it.

[celest heron]

Do you mean spartan points?

[winged hazel]

it's a separate resource from that.

[civic sundial]

Just want to note that the ability to pay real money for Spartan Points was almost added to MCC (And was likely going to be added as a way to provide another avenue of funding for MCC) but the community pushed back against it

[civic sundial]

Spartan Points are a free currency for obtaining anything within the Exchange, you get Spartan Points by playing the game. Credits is the premium currency for getting items in the store, requiring real money to obtain

[celest heron]

well there's spartan points and xp. Not sure what you mean if it's not those.

[marble vale]

Yes, the Spartan points you have to grind to earn the sparring points and then use them to unlock the cosmetics

[winged hazel]

really? aren't you already paying like $60 for the game?

[muted beacon]

I'm with you here. Monetization could be a lot more fair without a gigantic store. See arc raiders or helldivers. Plenty of premium currency can be earned in game, and most cosmetics are in non-expiring battle passes that need to be unlocked with premium currency. The model can be simplified a lot and still be profitable

[celest heron]

oh, the real credits

[civic sundial]

For Infinite? The $60 price tag is for the campaign only, the multiplayer is free

Like, you can download and play the multiplayer without getting the campaign

[winged hazel]

oh

huh. if i were to buy the campaign, would that provide a way to grind credits without paying another dime?

[celest heron]

you don't grind credits, you have to buy them.

[winged hazel]

are you sure that's the only way?

[celest heron]

Yes

[muted beacon]

💸

[winged hazel]

yeah. that sucks then.

[celest heron]

they used to give out credits in the old season passes, but stopped doing that.

[celest heron]

im gaming years, they're pretty old.

[marble vale]

Yeah my gaming years is a lot. It’s almost 18,000 hours on top of that I have a part-time job washing buses for a hospital and mowing their lawns and on top of that I make knives and also on top of that deal with family stuff and I have time to have that much hours in gaming.

[winged hazel]

damn. and infinite's customization system looked pretty robust too

[celest heron]

yeah, the credits a few years ago let me purchase a couple items in the store without having to spend actual money which was nice.

[nova basalt]

Cool?

[rose gyro]

A few months ago I checked the campaign and it didn’t ask for a purchase. I basically got as close as just pressing the start button to start the first level

[civic sundial]

Do you have Gamepass?

[rose gyro]

Yeah

Didn’t start the campaign though

[marble vale]

If you didn’t start the campaign yet, then why are you saying all these things about the game when you haven’t even played the campaign yet?

[rose gyro]

Because this entire conversation was about the multiplayer and customization

[marble vale]

No, the conversation was about the customisation for your halo Spartan not for the multiplayer but for the entirety of the game it’s about from the beginning of the first game to the very future games of Halo

[rose gyro]

Unless the next Halo game is one like Reach where your custom Spartan is who you play as in the campaign the campaign doesn’t really have much say on customization. Even still, if the campaign is essentially sold separately from the multiplayer then it’s not much of an effect.

MCC is the whole package deal of campaigns and multiplayer along with customization, etc. while Infinite is broken up into a free multiplayer that will likely get more traction and players or the campaign you have to pay for, or have game pass for which is just cheaper access. If you can have multiplayer without the campaign then it’s more of a personal choice at that point whether you wanna go and buy it or not, the only thing barred from you is the campaign itself

[marble vale]

No because you’re paying for the campaign which has the master chief in it so you play as the Master Chief for the campaign but that’s not we’re not talking about just Halo infinite we’re talking about all Halo games for the customisation so stop trying to turn the conversation just to Halo infiniteplus, you haven’t even played the campaign yet plus it shouldn’t take you 5 to 10 minutes to send a message that’s not even that long on discord

[inland minnow]

please be respectful of other peoples time and abilities. there's no reason to call out how long it takes someone to type

[marble vale]

It shouldn’t take 10 to 20 minutes to create a small message on Discord. You should know this.

[inland minnow]

as someone with multiple conditions that impact my ability to type correctly, i know intimately that typing can and does take longer for some people. not to mention, people have lives outside of discord and may need to prioritise something in real life over responding to messages about video games. be respectful. you need to chill out.

this entire conversation ends here, now. move on to a new topic, take it to dms, i dont really care. this is not the place for aggression or insults

[solid canopy]

Sorta random thing-
My Halo artist dream team to work on an offical game would be Rythaze, Tekka Crow, and Garret Post. Their artwork is outstanding and does an excellent job staying faithful to the originals and making it feel fresh and new

[rose gyro]

Certainly Tekka-croe at least

With maybe some adjustments to the armor design to look like the 343 design like using the 4/5 helmet, back thrusters, and feet

[cyan forum]

More than anything i want id software to work on halo. After their doom trilogy, they absolutely deserve the chance to give us their take on halo. Theyre also not constantly shifting leadership like 343/halo studios lol

[civic sundial]

HS only had one change in leadership. They're not rotating studio heads constantly

And I think id are busy making Doom, I'd rather they not be taken off that to make Halo when there's already a studio making Halo games

[celest heron]

What makes you think they want to work on halo?

[cyan forum]

I think id software would want to work on literally anything besides doom at this point tbh

Theyve been done with the franchise since eternal's dlcs where the story literally ended

[latent acorn]

343/Halo Studios was made for one and the one purpose is only make Halo games

[cyan forum]

Quite sad to think about 😔

[coarse dagger]

How is that sad?

[jade pebble]

they cant make anything else

[cyan forum]

And also their lackluster track record

If not id software tho, maybe machine games? Their work on the wolfenstein the new order, the old blood, and the new colossus was pretty good

[coarse dagger]

I still don't see how it's sad, when it's the studios purpose. For anyone that doesn't want to work on Halo games, they look for work at other studios

[glacial tartan]

It’s sad from a player/customer point of view, I think is their point?

[jade pebble]

it can be beneficial to have different kinds of projects. its a bit less common now but still

its nice to switch up the project now and then just for it to be refreshing but also you learn new when you do it

[sullen owl]

If it's not their point, it is mine.

[wooden briar]

Unfortunately, one of the things "you learn new" is how astronomical it costs to make something outside of your normal wheelhouse.

[sullen owl]

I would love to see some Halo licensed games from other studios.

[sullen owl]

Also unfortunately true. Lots of assets can be reused and retooled when you're working on the same stuff. Working on an entirely new thing? Not as much and the cracks show quick.

[wooden briar]

I know it's anecdotal, but I personally attribute how good Halo Wars was to that: someone building the type of house they normally make, but furnished with Halo stuff.

[latent acorn]

Also to be fair having another studio doing Halo game might sound good idea on paper, but we don’t know with would be on par with previous titles done by Bungie or 343/Halo Studios. Even if a non-Microsoft game developer did better Halo then a Microsoft made studio then it would be seen as an insult to both Microsoft or Xbox studios. But that’s just an opinion.

[jade pebble]

sure it does, but its not like the switch up needs to be absolutely insane either. maybe its another shooter with different mechanics and art style. just that would be beneficial. working on something with less difficult of a fanbase as Halo

its a good place to try new. but yes for a big studio thats a huge gamble today

wish Bungie couldve had the chance back in the day. like Criterion developed the Burnout games but then went completely left field and developed Black. both titles in high regard and from the same people.

[celest heron]

At least with HS, they have a track record and we kind of know what to expect and what they can improve upon with feedback. A new studio would be a big gamble cause we don't know if their vision will be awful or great.

[civic sundial]

Machine Games are working on a new Wolfenstein

[jade pebble]

I think your best chance is getting a studio on it whose style you want. the way they develop games, how the games play and how they look. instead of forcing it into the previous mould

[cyan forum]

This was all hypothetical but i actually didnt know this

Hope its an improvement over whatever young blood was trying to be

[civic sundial]

To add, I think allot of people who go "Why not get X studio to make a Halo FPS" don't understand that those studios likely would want to make changes which take Halo further away from what these same people perceive as what Halo should be. Like, id make great Doom games, but I doubt they'll want to make what is basically a 1 to 1 copy of Halo 3 if given the chance to make a Halo, ultimately, it'd end up being more like a Doom clone wearing a Halo skin. Which really isn't what anyone wants from a Halo game

[civic sundial]

It's very recent, a bunch of people have been talking about them gearing up for another one

[cyan forum]

Please be good 🙏

[celest heron]

CA would probly be the closest we have to that since they've made lots of halo maps although I think the h2a ones were too focused on aesthetics which bogged the maps down.

[jade pebble]

CA?

[civic sundial]

Certain Affinity

[solid canopy]

Too bad Don Matrick scuttled the studio to get a bonus

[feral halo]

:H0:

[rose gyro]

Tbh, gameplay changes can always be attributed to some lore reason like ODST if another studio makes a Halo game in their own style

Like if we got a proper new Titanfall game but set in Halo and the explanation is Spartans using more advanced thruster systems in Mjolnir armor with them connecting to advanced battle mechs/battlesuits

people have said that it’s not really a problem for Halo to try and branch out into different gameplay styles besides just Halo wars

[left snow]

I think I'm the other way inclined. We want consistent game play across all the new projects.

If they end up farming projects to other teams then Halo Studios need to be in charge of the feel (engine) and game play.

[rose gyro]

I’m talking about spin offs like ODST

[hidden thistle]

Can everyone play anything that’s not Reach? I love Reach, but I want to play something not Reach for god sakes

[rose gyro]

I mainly play 5

[celest heron]

deselect it?

[ashen rune]

this game is a lot more enjoyable when you disregard the lives of your npc marines

[celest heron]

never tried to keep them alive unless it was for an achievement.

[ashen rune]

ok halo 2 m5 the oracle: 7 deaths falling off the lift and 1 being meleed from behind by allied elite

🫠

[cyan forum]

Halo 2 was always frustrating like that. I liked keeping my marines/elites alive but theyd always get killed or kill themselves even

Halo CE marines are still my personal favorite of the entire franchise

[solid canopy]

Maybe I can get an answer quicker asking here- in Halo 5 did plasma damage Prometheans who had armor torn off? Like the inverse of how plasma tore through an Elite's shields and bullets were more effective at draining health

[finite basin]

How Halo Can Truly Be Great Again

1. Campaign first – Deep, lore-respecting story with meaningful paid DLC (Elden Ring–style). New protagonist is fine if lore is respected.
2. Sprint rules – Sprint allowed only in campaign and non-ranked social modes. Never in ranked or HCS.
3. Maps (day one) – Every developer-made, non-Forge map from every Halo included at launch.
4. Forge ≠ replacement – Forge should supplement official maps, not replace them.
5. Halo 3 combat – Positioning, teamwork, and precision over gimmicks.
6. No ADS – Remove Aim Down Sights entirely.
7. No weapon bloom – Accuracy must be skill-based only.
8. Keep item pickups – Equipment and weapon pickups stay.
9. Grounded tone – Return to Halo Reach’s military sci-fi feel.
10. More grit – Less smoothness, more wear, damage, and immersion.

11. Full weapon sandbox – Every weapon from every Halo included and balanced.
12. Lore-accurate enemies – Designs must match established Halo lore.
13. All vehicles return – Every vehicle from past Halos included.
14. Space combat mode – Inspired by Long Night of Solace.
15. Bigger lobbies – 32-player standard, 64-player modes where appropriate.

16. No free-to-play – Full-priced game or split pricing done fairly.
17. Launch complete – No missing features.
18. All modes day one – Every mode from past Halos available at launch.
19. Forge day one – No delays.
20. No drip-fed legacy content – Don’t remove content just to sell it later.
21. PvE war mode – Helldivers-style PvE vs Covenant, Banished, Flood, Prometheans.
22. Halo BR (optional) – ODST drops, classic pickups, glassing zone, no gimmicks.

23. No SBMM in social – SBMM ranked only.
24. Halo 3 ranks – Bring back classic competitive ranking system.
25. No sprint in HCS – Competitive Halo stays movement-pure.
26. Map voting – Player choice matters.
27. Red vs Blue – Default team colors with toggle option.

28. Reach-level customization – Earned, meaningful armor progression.
29. Remove armor coatings – Permanently.
30. Hex-code armor colors – Full freedom.
31. Hex-code visors – Freely changeable like armor colors.
32. All emblems day one – No grinding for legacy emblems.
33. No goofy cosmetics – No cat ears or immersion-breaking armor.

34. Real clan system – Tools, progression, leaderboards.
35. Competitive clans – Official clan tournaments and support.
36. True crossplay – All platforms, no restrictions.
37. Playable Elites – Bring them back.

38. Battle passes (if any) – Never expire, no tier buying (Helldivers-style).
39. Clean UI – No MTX shoved in players’ faces.
40. Rated M – Halo must stay mature.
41. No politics or ideology – No pride armor, no DEI, no real-world messaging.
42. Respectful crossovers only – Only if they fit Halo’s tone.
43. Influencers don’t design Halo – Community > trends.
44. Take the time – Delay if needed. Launch finished, polished, complete.

This is how Halo can be Great Again in its next multiplayer launch

Give me some feedback if you have any ideas

[civic sundial]

Zooming is just ADS without the animation seen in most FPS games. Also claiming you want "Halo 3 style gameplay" but also saying "Sprint allowed only in campaign and non-ranked social modes" contradicts

I don't remember them saying Forge replaced dev made maps either

Point 11 is especially funny because trying to have every weapon from every Halo ever and have them all be balanced is impossible. And point 12 is confusing because when has there been lore breaking enemies

22 is really funny since the battle royale craze has long plataeued in interest

25 goes back to the earlier contradiction of wanting Halo 3 gameplay but also having a point about sprint, if anything, I am more confused about whether you want sprint gone or not

Did the cat ears bother you that much? Like, 33 is funny because like, none of the armour is immersion-breaking, at least no more than the samurai helmet with dragon bones from Halo 3

[north kernel]

tf did i read. tf you mean at 41??? HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED HALO CAMPAIGN DAWG??

[civic sundial]

40 is funny because the devs never decide the rating

[north kernel]

true

[civic sundial]

And like, the rating doesn't decide if the game is good or not

41... Oh you're one of those people (Not directed at you Alpha)

[north kernel]

a lot of the olist is weird like every map is so unnecessary like dawg who tf is gonna need three blood gultch remakes

or 20 remakes of the PIT

[civic sundial]

42 is also funny because the first time Halo crossed over with anything into the Halo games themselves was with Ninja Gaiden and Hayabusa. Every crossover since has been an emblem apart from when Hayabusa came back for Infinite

43 also doesn't make sense. Like, this person was asking for a BR mode, which would very much be chasing a trend

Oh and I just noticed 36. Do they know Halo already has crossplay?

[north kernel]

38 also doenst make any sense because we already have that in mcc and infinite lol

[civic sundial]

Is it only 20?

I could've sworn there were more Pit remakes than US states

[north kernel]

at this point, probably yeah

[civic sundial]

You can use credits to get tiers but they do indeed never expire once you have one

[sullen owl]

I don't believe it's a list of things they want changed, just a list of stuff they want for the next game, even if that means to not change something.

[civic sundial]

It's presented as if that's not a thing though

[signal ivy]

Every developer-made, non-Forge map from every Halo included at launch.
ngl this is a ridiculous ask

[civic sundial]

That's an understatement

[nova stag]

ngl, i got bored after about 12....skipped past and just started reading ADV's responses instead... >_>

[civic sundial]

Also does it mean just multiplayer or are they asking for all previous campaign maps as well? Kinda a vague point

[north kernel]

the 6 is so fnuuy oml since that means you cant use the scope of the snipers and br

[near blade]

Another example of why listening to the fans is dumb

[sullen owl]

EZ PZ. A couple of interns, three deluxe pizzas, and a weekend. All set. The groundwork is laid out for them, just need to copy/paste. No need for balancing passes or any testing.

[civic sundial]

They should listen to me instead, I have good ideas, like how they should just make Unggoy Farmer instead

[civic sundial]

Make it four deluxe pizzas just to be safe

[sullen owl]

Might need it for all of the Pit remakes, you're right.

[signal ivy]

this sounds like a twitter halo player list lol

[civic sundial]

It really does

[north kernel]

if it was truly a twt halo playter's list it would include something about the forerunners being human

[sullen owl]

Eh, I do honestly agree with most of it though. Not going to bullet point which ones, but meh.

[civic sundial]

And not to be nitpicky about their grammar, but they sure do have some random letters capitalised in the second to last sentence when they don't need to be

[civic sundial]

Careful, they might add that on

[north kernel]

xd

[sullen owl]

That's the twitter tell.

[civic sundial]

Fair point

Like one of the human users or the bots?

[sullen owl]

Human, obviously. There are no bots on the internet. That'd be absurd.

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-kylo-ren-youre-so-right-youre-right-so-right-gif-22898945

[finite basin]

That was more referring to gunplay not overall mechanics which I can fix that

[finite basin]

No but it comes off that it does especially over the last 10+ years

[civic sundial]

Halo 5 and Halo Infinite have dev made maps though

[wooden briar]

Unless I missed The Great Halo Lore Retcon, Spartans sprinted and aimed down sights in the lore.

However, (16) "Full-priced game or split pricing done fairly" + (44) "Delay if needed. Launch finished, polished, complete." would be super interesting to see: a $135 full-featured Halo game in 2029.

[finite basin]

Its possible its just based on gametypes, maps, firefight etc

[civic sundial]

Is that the low estimate for the price of this potential game

[finite basin]

I highly doubt the price would be that high unless GTA 6 starts at $100

[finite basin]

Yes but Halo has the battle Royale elimates and i think they could execute this really well. Thats just me personally

[civic sundial]

People didn't like specific weapons being limited to very specific maps. That's how it was back in Halo 3 (360), where even in Forge you could not put certain weapons on certain maps

[finite basin]

Again the one before was referring to gunplay mechanics in terms of it being like Halo 3

[civic sundial]

"Battle Royale elimates"? What? You mean dying?

[finite basin]

Im not saying its gotta be limited im just saying they gotta be wise about it tbh

[civic sundial]

But you quite literally described making them limited to specific maps and modes

[finite basin]

No the fact that we have ODST drop pods, weapon pickups, forge to make custom maps or well even 343 has lore maps they can add together to make said battle Royale.

[finite basin]

Keep in mind in every other halo game not every Weapon wasnt on every map. Just like in campaign not every Weapon is on every mission.

[civic sundial]

We've been able to pick up weapons since Combat Evolved, long before Battle Royales were a thing

[sullen owl]

I don't think enough people are interested in another battle royale in 2026 or even 2027. The fad's dead.

[civic sundial]

The genre has long since hit is peak popularity

[sullen owl]

Would it have been cool? Yeah. Is the timing poor, as with most things Halo lately? Also yeah. :/

[finite basin]

Exactly thats something Battle Royales have 💀

[civic sundial]

So unless they do a Fortnite 2 and that somehow manages to get everyone to play, I doubt the genre will get any more popular

[finite basin]

Again thats just my opinion. If we dont get one its not a big deal.

[civic sundial]

And so do almost every FPS and TPS game

Like I could buy a copy of Uncharted and find a gun on the ground and pick it up

[wooden briar]

"fairly" = fair to the game developers and publishers as well, including games costing $125 adjusted for inflation if we're desiring feature-complete launches without any monetized post-launch content.
Unit sales have not been the marker for years now; post-launch revenue is. So if you want to frontload all of the estimated post-launch revenue that a normally successful game generates and spread it among the average customer equally, you have to adjust for inflation to reflect true development recoupment and ROI.
And then there's the inflation that will continue to increase towards the far-in-future date as the game will be delayed until it's completely polished.

[finite basin]

Thats a fair point. Especially since a lot of people are also getting tired of battle passes and microtransactions so that wouldnt surprise me if they go that route.

[wooden briar]

I personally would be fine with that, as I spend more than $135 in a single game, but many would not want to bear that equal cost.

[finite basin]

Its not that it bothered me. Its the fact that this is a military sci-fi shooter and things like that shouldnt be in Halo. Its not lore related and its just weird to have.

[finite basin]

Yeah it goes hand and hand on that. Its a tricky situation with that.

[civic sundial]

And Halo has never been too serious of a military sci-fi in the first place. It's not like they went with photorealistic cat ears covered in fur, they designed them to look like an actual addition to a helmet

Plus, they don't give you any tactical advantage

[finite basin]

Right its a party shooter but again we should have lore related stuff rather than weird stuff. Look what BF6 did they didnt add any cat eats to their helmets or anything like that.

[wooden briar]

So we have two alternating bi-annual lines of Halo games: mainline Halo + "Halo Legends" that goes wild with samurai, cat ears, and WW1 stuff.

[civic sundial]

Also Halo Reach literally allows you to blow up into confetti or hearts or be constantly surrounded by a storm cloud or have your head on fire or have your head be a skull. I don't remember those being things which actually exist in real life

Well, technically being on fire and your head being a skull do exist but in both cases, you should be dead or in lots of pain

[finite basin]

Goofy things are fine like that but im saying having cat ears on armor or rainbow political emblems isnt necessary at all.

[finite basin]

That was cool. No one can hate on that.

[civic sundial]

And well, storm clouds do exist IRL but I'd be concerned if they were localised around a single person

If I want a strictly serious game, I can

[finite basin]

The storm effect was cool too. Just wish you couldve combo the effects.

[finite basin]

No one said strictly serious. Just whats necessary. Simple.

[civic sundial]

See, you contradicted yourself, why is there a line of ok and not ok goofy things. Also, rainbows aren't political

[finite basin]

Because one targets a political audience and the other one doesn't 💀

[civic sundial]

So how is the ability to have your head be pernamently on fire a necessary addition?

Cat ears are not political

[finite basin]

We shouldnt have politics in games was my original point regardless of anyone's views

[finite basin]

Furries loved that 💀

[civic sundial]

You know what war is? People don't usually have wars just for the fun of it

[north kernel]

the human covenant war is def political dawg

[finite basin]

That relates towards the skulls you pick up in one of the game modes and again that was a cool effect. Personally if we get it we get it. If we dont we don't.

[civic sundial]

And they exist, it's not my business if they want cat ears on their armour

[finite basin]

Thats contradicting right there because again were playing a sci-fi military shooter 💀

[finite basin]

Im talking about real world political views. 2 completely different things.

[finite basin]

Idk what else to tell you on that. Again thats just my opinion. You cant change mine and I cant change yours I guess.

[civic sundial]

I'm pretty sure the skull helmet was because someone at Bungie thought it was fun, regardless of it breaking canon or not. Which side note, Oddball isn't canonically using a human's skull

Like, I highly doubt they have a set of skulls to use as an objective for training in UNSC bases

[north kernel]

its still def political, doesnt matter if its fictional since it makes the same points like the covenant's views of religion might be fictional but still is real politics

[finite basin]

Yes but there was a gamemode for the skulls being on fire and you put them in one of the objs. I forgot what it was called but its on Halk Reach.

[civic sundial]

Headhunter? I mean again, I doubt they designed it with any idea of it needing to be canon (And I doubt it had any baring on the Haunted helmet existing)

[finite basin]

Yes because its a sci-fi lore universe. Im saying we dont need anyone's REAL political messaging put into the game. So regardless its 2 completely different things no matter how you put it. Again the list is just my opinion.

[finite basin]

Not saying its entirely because of that but the concept was still cool. Even if we dont get that effect again I'm cool with or without it.

[north kernel]

what REAL political message does it have than? Even than, your point still falls flat since politics cannot be fictional, only the way they are presented to the viewer is.

[finite basin]

Literally said it awhile ago bro. I dont need to repeat myself and wtf are you on about 💀

[civic sundial]

You're missing what I am getting at. The cat ears were designed to inherantly fit in more within the setting even though they are not canon. Meanwhile, Haunted or the armour effects were not designed to fit in. You can't then claim that Haunted or armour effects somehow fit in more within Halo's lore when they very much cannot

[finite basin]

I get what youre saying. One was actually cool and honestly it did fit in much better where as the other didnt fit into it. Idk man thats just how I see it.

[finite basin]

Halo Legends?

[civic sundial]

It's a fun anime anthology series

[finite basin]

Ill have to look it up and get back to you on it

[wooden briar]

In the end, a list with this many items of course contains proportionately many things that individuals can disagree with, as I did. But I do want to commend you on your respectful engagement with those who've disagreed with you as well as the time you've spent sincerely contributing to the IP that we all love. Thank you!

[finite basin]

Of course man and thank you man. I just really want Halo to be back on top because rn i hate to say it but game wise its dead in the water at least according to steam charts and I would like us to be on the top of every platform list again.

[north kernel]

you mean the pride skins and emblems that infinite + mcc have? thats the REAL political views you were referring about? that's stupid dawg.

[celest heron]

they could make the perfect halo game and that wouldn't happen imo.

[finite basin]

No one asked for them to begin with and its not necessary. Especially when theres people out who dont support that bro. Now I'm not being disrespectful to either side im just being real.

[finite basin]

Its possible. Take CSGO for example they hardly change their formula and theyre killing it still.

Maybe not CSGO numbers but its possible to make a comeback. No one expected Battlefield to make the comeback it did even tho theyre getting tanked because of Arc Raiders and other releases.

[civic sundial]

Nobody asked for Hayabusa back in the day either

[crystal iron]

I thought that the Skewer from Halo Infinite was based on javelin guns without wplash damages, but it’s said it’s not.

[civic sundial]

It just ended up being something they snuck into Halo 3

[finite basin]

Thats an irrelevant take for the record since it was the 3rd installment and customization started to kick off

There was hardly any customization for Halo CE and Halo 2. Halo 3 really jump started the customization and then Reach really had the best overall customization.

[civic sundial]

I would say its relevant because it is a customisation item nobody expected to be there when they got Halo 3. But it ended up being a pleasant surprise. The pride coating is similar in the sense of it is a pleasant surprise for people. I have known plenty of people who have been happy it exists

And like, it exists, it's not hurting anyone by existing within the game

It's not like using the pride coatings gives you a health increase or anything

[finite basin]

Its not a similar sense at all again one is a REAL world political take and the other isnt. We play games to escape real world stuff. Having to see it in games irritates a lot of people believe it or not man.

[civic sundial]

And plenty of people enjoy having it there

[finite basin]

Funny how you try to use this as a deflection on where im getting at but idk what else to tell you.

[north kernel]

what bro is on? dark energon??

[celest heron]

it's a different era and halo has had a lot of pitfalls which can make their rep go down. I don't think they could even go back to the original trilogy play style cause the majority of the current fans are too used to the modern versions so it would have to be some kind of hybrid imo.

[finite basin]

Majority of people seem to be playing Halo MCC more than Halo Infinite so i think more are use to the old ways than the new. That's how I see it.

But we definitely need new modes to spice things up for sure.

[civic sundial]

And you have confirmed numbers on this from where?

Because if I recall, Steam numbers isn't reflective of the entire population for the Halo games

[celest heron]

that's not saying much tbh. It just says there's more hardcore fans playing, but you still have to attract a mass audience.

[finite basin]

If the steam numbers are accurate Im curious on xbox numbers but they'll never show that like they use to on Reach 360 and Halo 4 360

[finite basin]

Sure i agree but take CSGO for example. They've kept majority of their game the same and theyre still going. Battlefield 6 made a comeback no one expected. Why cant Halo?

Im not saying they gotta do what they did. Im just saying they gotta stick to their guns and their roots.

[sullen owl]

According to Reddit Battlefield 6 is dead already. lol

[civic sundial]

I've seen people saying plenty about how they wish they did things differently with Battlefield 6 as well

[finite basin]

It definitely isnt dead i can tell you that but the numbers have dropped because Arc Raiders has taken over.

[sullen owl]

What will make Halo Next the real leading eSport game is running on a toaster like CS does.

[finite basin]

Oh theres a lot they couldve added like bigger maps for starters. But it still turned out really well.

[finite basin]

Lol

[finite basin]

Keep in mind tho a lot of hype launches will die fast normally. Not for every game but a good majority for sure.

[sullen owl]

Which, yeah... Honestly it just needs to be playable on low spec machines smoothly, and not crash every other match unlike Halo Infinite did at launch.

[finite basin]

Yeah that was dumb asf tbh. They had 6 years to get it right and still failed.

[celest heron]

cs hasn't changed their formula so their fans would likely be more united and it also has fast kill times which appeals to newer audiences. halo has changed a lot over the years which has fractured the player base so it would be more complicated to appeal to old and new fans.

[civic sundial]

Infinite hasn't been out for 6 years

[sullen owl]

That's why we'll get two Halo games.

[finite basin]

Thats fair I can see that.

[finite basin]

Talking about development time before it launched. Halo Infinite has been out for over 4 years now. Almost 5.

[civic sundial]

I doubt they expected to have so many issues when the game released

Like, most devs don't release a game expecting there to be server issues for as long as Infinite had them

[finite basin]

I doubted so as well but if you have 6 years to get your ducks counted and still failed there was definitely a huge issue going on within the studio.

[finite basin]

No but the anticipation should've better prepared them for it and they knew they had a lot riding on it.

[civic sundial]

It's not about counting ducks or anticipation, sometimes problems occur without much of a chance to fix them quickly or easily

Or sometimes someone makes a call to not fix something which then snowballs into a bigger problem down the road

[finite basin]

Just sounds more like an excuse considering MCC was broken for over 3 years after its launch.

[civic sundial]

I'm not making excuses

[finite basin]

Again just sounds like an excuse.

[civic sundial]

Have you ever worked on a game?

Ever found a bug which was gamebreaking, only to be told it's not worth fixing?

Because I know what that's like, and it was not a great feeling when the bug ended up causing a game I worked on to lose money, snowballing into more problems

[finite basin]

No and it doesnt take someone to work on a game to understand that if a studio has a lot riding on their game and years of development time for the game to launch and then they go "oh theres issues now" like how did you not account for that? Just seems lazy tbh if other studios got it right with their games the first time.

[cyan forum]

On the contrary, they shouldve known before the release

[finite basin]

Exactly my point

[civic sundial]

Not so simple as that

[cyan forum]

Even with mcc before it released, they fully knew it had problems

[finite basin]

Why does it feel like everything is an argument with you? @civic sundial like no hate or anything just want to know why

[civic sundial]

Not every bug or issue is found before launch. Or if it is, they don't always get the resources to fix them

[finite basin]

Exactly

[cyan forum]

Like they had playtesters and previews and events showcasing the MP before the game released worldwide and it had problems back then too

[finite basin]

If its not found before launch then either they weren't testing it or they were lazy.

[finite basin]

Exactly thank you

[civic sundial]

Definitely not people being lazy

[near blade]

It's always funny watching people who don't understand the thing they're talking about try to sound smart and fail.

[finite basin]

@civic sundial

[cyan forum]

Being incompetent is sometimes worse than being lazy

[finite basin]

Thats another way of putting it too

[civic sundial]

Like, there's still bugs being found in games from over 20 years ago. Are you saying the devs who worked on those games are incompetent for not finding those?

[near blade]

And there is the line. You don't get to call people incompetent or lazy here. Be constructive or take it somewhere else

[cyan forum]

I have no idea if 343 are incompetent or lazy

Its not good either way. Microsoft HIRED these guys

[civic sundial]

In fact, I'm pretty sure there was a bug recently found in one of the Halo games which speedrunners are using to shave off even more time

[finite basin]

Is the server really that sensitive and soft?

[cyan forum]

They are

[near blade]

The rules require you to be constructive.

That isn't going to change. if you have issues with it take it to modmail

[finite basin]

He just straight deleted that like wtf lol. Like we cant even voice our opinions 💀

[sullen kiln]

For server moderation concerns, please send a direct message to @upbeat plover.

[finite basin]

Im very well aware of modmail

[sullen kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572921337782337566/1211114454142681118/noping.png?ex=65ed053b&is=65da903b&hm=127c1f5a619a9cb041d895fc8b72e2582f18b58934fcc2c232dda28837a796a2&

[sullen owl]

Alright. It's time for the Shezmu list of what Halo needs in the next installment.

1. A Noble 6 cave decoration mini-game.

[near blade]

2. Chariot pulled by 6 wardens

[civic sundial]

So long as there's a minigame within that minigame which is Unggoy Farmer

[sullen owl]

Chao garden it. I'm all for it.

[civic sundial]

3. Overly detailed food for a cooking minigame

[sullen owl]

Yeah, what's up with that anyway? You'll be playing a pixel art game and then all of a sudden there's a steaming steak in 4K.

[civic sundial]

Not sure

Maybe that's why the file size is so big?

[near blade]

There aren't a lot of situations that a steak wouldn't improve

[civic sundial]

Wouldn't improve any for me, I don't eat steak

[near blade]

I'll eat yours

[civic sundial]

Fine by me

[sullen owl]

On morality grounds, or just haven't had one before?

[latent acorn]

Having chipotle would suffice

[civic sundial]

Haven't had one before but also since I've been veggie so long (Since I was born), it might cause my stomach to react badly if I started eating meat now

And well, I already have a pretty sensitive stomach as is

[solid canopy]

If you engage with media to exclusively turn your brain off, you are doing it wrong.

Imagine if Halo 2 just cut out the commentary on Religious Theocracy, it would be way worse

But hell, this isn't even a storyline or plotpoint, it an emblem you can choose to equip

There are better things to get worked up about

[rose gyro]

The problem with real world issues, namely politics, being in games is when it’s done very poorly and like propaganda to make you think or see something a certain way while not using any nuance. Like when they make it so obvious that you’re supposed to route for and support a certain side or mindset while demonizing the other

[rose gyro]

If you’re talking about gameplay, sorry but I never want to go back to original trilogy gameplay. Reach and onward to 5 is just better

[feral halo]

Bruh why cant i join any multiplayer gameeeeeee always the dem connection interrupted

[rose gyro]

How’s your Internet?

[feral halo]

Its really good but when i play mcc it sucks or idk whats the problem

[rose gyro]

Could be lobby issues, your NAT type, or others using your internet

[feral halo]

Lobby and nat type ?

I cant join social competitive customs ;-;

[rose gyro]

Lobby is like what you’re trying to join for a match and NAT type is in regard to your internet. Like for example, I couldn’t play multiplayer for games like Elden Ring because my College’s wifi we were given was NAT type 3 which just isn’t good enough for it

NAT type 2 > NAT type 3 basically when it comes to trying to have a multiplayer connection but that doesn’t always apply to all games

[crisp quest]

Hey guys brand new to discord and this server but how do I go about looking for group in mcc. Sorry im a noob

[feral halo]

Well i am using my phones wifi

[rose gyro]

Check the Lfg channels and mention MCC

[rose gyro]

Yeah I don’t think that’s a good enough internet connection

[feral halo]

But i cant play halo infinite without any problems

I think i am about to join a game 7/8 player

[rose gyro]

I guess it works then

[feral halo]

And same problem again

🙁

AND NOW I AM BAN WOWW

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[sullen owl]

@crisp quest ^

[feral halo]

I am baned

Stupid game

[winged hazel]

if it's one of the disconnection autobans it shouldn't have lasted this long

you sure you're still banned?

[finite basin]

Pretty edgy to assume someone is "worked up about" something that should've never been put into the game. Its not something to be "worked up about" just unnecessary.

[left snow]

Some good points...

1. Lore is important.

2. I like Sprint - make it consistent across all playlists.

3. A wide selection of maps is important. Especially some with a throw back to previous Halo games. That familiarity helps.

4. Forge maps are much better since Halo 4. And there are some very talented Forgers out there. It would be silly not to utilise them.

5. Nah. My personal / subjective feeling was that Halo 3 was nearly the worst of the Halos.

6. ADS - I don't have a problem with it. As long as you get knocked out if shot.

7. Bloom is an OK mechanic. You have to "nerf" weapons somehow - otherwise everything is a mini-sniper.

8-10. Yep. In general. Tone is important.

11. Yes please. Have a wide library of weapons and variants - concentrate on balancing the sandbox at the level of map/mode.

12. Just need a consistant design across the new games (remake / Halo 7).

13 - 14. Yep.

15. I don't think Halo works with bigger lobbies. 12 is too many. Players get smashed crossing space. Vehicles get shredded. A co-ordinated team is unbeatable. I think what most people want is the "sensation" of being in a bigger battle - so what we need is more explosions / battle effects going off around us.

16. The data tells us that MTX make all the $$$.

17-19. 100%. Launch completed. Maps, modes, weapons, Forge, Theatre, and progression system. Can't afford another false start.

20. I think legacy content is the perfect drip fed stuff. As long as most of it can be earnt for free.

21. Yep.

22. Undecided. I think a BR game could work in Halo - but it's not my cup of tea.

...
23. SBMM is absolute required in social. 100%. It would suck without it.

24. If you mean the Halo 3 ranks of 1-50. A huge no. That system was literally the worst. With 20 hidden levels and a MMR that locked itself (with no rank resets). Urgh. Nightmare stuff.

25. It's tough. You are either for or against Sprint. And I appreciate that it changes the way the game is played entirely. I don't think there is any genuine way to compromise. So my vote is for Sprint. Bring back the Halo 5 sprint mechanics.

26. I don't have a problem with map voting. But it has to be veto. And the votes have to be weighted to those who have lost votes and still finished the games (ie. quitters get zero votes). I would actually incorporate the "voting" into an expanded Match Composer - where you can indiciate what choices you prefer today.

27. No thanks to Red vs Blue. I like coatings. And Red vs Blue limits the palette for the maps.

28. I like Reach.

29. No. I like coatings - but they could be done a lot better - allow us to apply our own colours and effects (eg. wear) to the colour wheels.

31-32. I guess?

33. It's OK. And if that's what people want to spend their money on... as long as you are willing to accept the subsequent bagging...

34-35. 100% for Spartan clans. They were so much fun.

36. Isn't that what we have now?

37. Meh. I'm not particularly against playable Elites - just as long as I don't have to play for or against.

38-39 Ok.

40. Never been that fussed by 'M'. I never really thought of Halo as a horror game.

41. Celebrating just causes is important. And if Halo Studios have a platform then they should use it to promote real world issues.

42. Fair enough

43. I think the whole influencers and pro players vs the design of Halo is an over-reaction. It's just the way Halo has gone.

44. Thankfully they seem to be under no time pressure.

[finite basin]

And it shouldnt be in the game to begin with. Real world politics and sci-fi politics are 2 different things. Mixing them both as if theyre the same is just down right ignorant.

[rose gyro]

Again, it depends on how it’s handled. Someone like Neil Druckmann likes to think himself some generational writer and director when it comes to stuff like that but he isn’t where as someone like Hideo Kojima was able to basically predict the modern internet landscape back with MGS2

[finite basin]

Number 27 doesnt remove the random color coating. Its to give every player the choice to either have red vs blue on their end or to keep the coating. Personally I wasnt a fan of the coating it just drove me insane. Thats why I said have a setting to switch it back and forth so its based on personal preference.

[finite basin]

Sure but still. To keep the peace based on political beliefs i believe its best not put into the game. Thats just me tho.

[rose gyro]

These days it’s frankly better to just avoid it when possible but it’s not like Gaming media outlets aren’t gonna try to make just about any game political themselves and yet they question why more and more of them are shutting down

[finite basin]

29 was to remove the coatings because that was the worth move on their part. It should've been a hex code coloring system like I stated with number 30 and 31.

[wild pewter]

hi guys

[finite basin]

Exactly

[wild pewter]

i dont know if anyone cares but... i cant believe i'm saying this, i have achieved FIRST PLACE IN A MATCHMAKING GAME ON HALO REACH MCC 🥳

i dont even know if this is the right channel to post it in, or if it is allowed

[onyx latch]

Almost none of those points are salient lmao

I'd respond to them all point by point but it'd frankly be a waste of energy.

[finite basin]

Aren't there multiple of you for you guys to respond?

[onyx latch]

"Multiple of you for you guys"

No idea what that's supposed to mean.

[finite basin]

It says they/them on the profile overview so I figured you were multiple people or something

So Im as confused as you are

[latent field]

Is buying a halo 1 import from Japan for 80$ on eBay a good idea

[finite basin]

Probably not tbh

[latent field]

What Im thinking as I found other for way less but didn’t know if they were legit

[onyx latch]

They/Them is a singular pronoun that also works for multiple people.

In my case, the they is singular.

[finite basin]

Wtf does that mean?

[onyx latch]

... Is English your second language? Not being rude, just asking.

[finite basin]

No just confused. How can it be singular? Are you a guy or a girl?

[onyx latch]

Don't really identify with either.

[finite basin]

No offense but that makes no sense. You gotta have a hole or a pole.

[onyx latch]

'They' has literally been able to refer to a single person of unidentifiable gender since the formation of the English language.

In fact, it gets used in that exact context in Halo-such as with Hunters and Engineers.

[finite basin]

In a sentence sure but not to assume someone's gender. As for Hunters theyre a bunch of worms or parasite or something like that.

[onyx latch]

I'm sorry you don't know any better.

[finite basin]

So are you an alien or something?

[onyx latch]

Nope, just don't identify with either.

[finite basin]

That doesnt make sense tho

[onyx latch]

Maybe you should actually bother to listen to the person who actually knows this and is trying patiently to educate you then, instead of just screeching about how it doesn't make sense.

Radical concept, I know.

[finite basin]

No one was screeching anything. Just trying to understand do you have a hole or a pole is all.

[onyx latch]

You don't need to know what I have.

It's irrelevant.

[finite basin]

If you have a hole you're female. If you have a pole you're male.

[onyx latch]

Not how that works.

Like, I'm sorry the presumably American education system didn't bother to inform you about the nuances of how chromosomes work or how gender versus genetics works, but it's more complicated than equipment.

All you need to know is that you don't need to know, and that they/them can be used to refer to a singular person.

Typically, a person who does not have the ability to be or want to be identified as either or.

[finite basin]

Oh the educational system that makes more since. Yeah thats why thats weird. Thats a reason to eliminate the department of education.

[onyx latch]

...

That is literally proof positive of the opposite because it failed you.

That is proof positive that education standards need to be improved.

[finite basin]

Jeez why you getting so pissy?

[onyx latch]

Someone emphasizing a point is not an indication of temperament.

[finite basin]

You on your period or something? No need to be defensive.

[nova basalt]

[onyx latch]

yeah, I have the feeling that's liable to happen pretty soon.

[latent field]

https://tenor.com/view/political-tww-starboard-politics-gif-18079403

[finite basin]

So you're a woman?

[onyx latch]

Nope. Just Trenchbird.

[frosty condor]

Please chill, Nihilus

[finite basin]

Im good 👍

[onyx latch]

I'd hardly call interrogating random people groin status good, all things considered.

Comes across as intensely creepy, really.

[finite basin]

Questioning something that came off confusing is interrogating?

Is everyone here this soft in here or something?

Not trying to be rude but thats crazy. Especially when you're trying to justify questioning something thats confusing as creepy.

[nova basalt]

Mental gymnastics

[finite basin]

Ong thats needed for some people i guess lol

[onyx latch]

The concept of it is very simple. You don't know, won't know, aren't meant to know, and it isn't important for you to know.

[nova basalt]

No, you

[onyx latch]

Literally just walking across the proverbial tumble mat.

[finite basin]

Im good bro 😌

[nova basalt]

You’re asking random people on the internet about their genitals
Peak pervert behavior

[onyx latch]

Honestly, I was considering just reporting it instead of humoring it.

Maybe I should have.

[finite basin]

So you missed the joke from a video when I said "hole or pole" 💀

Pretty slow behavior right there lol

[onyx latch]

That's not a joke, that's just being vulgar.

[finite basin]

Oh no i made a joke from a video to someone with a mental disability. How the world has fallen to be so soft 💀

[onyx latch]

Whom exactly has a mental disability here?

[finite basin]

I was being sarcastic

[onyx latch]

Riiiiight.

[finite basin]

But nah im done trolling. There's only 2 genders. This server is full of weirdos and sensitive snowflakes who either cant take a joke or cry too much. Bye monkeys 👋

[onyx latch]

Anyways.

If that was 'trolling' you can do better.

... Lmao. They left the server.

Cowardice.

[nova basalt]

Should take a minute for the reports to kick in

[onyx latch]

Honestly it's kinda just pathetic behavior.

Kinda reminds me of that old study on Halo 3 players and how they react when someone who isn't a guy is in the game with them.

[latent field]

Took away from my halo Japanese import question

[onyx latch]

Basically, lower skilled players with lower overall capability would go absolutely ballistic towards women, while higher skilled players largely didn't care.

[onyx latch]

Oh, right, this, problably not.

I wouldn't say you have a good chance of being scammed, but unless you have a Japanese Original Xbox you problably can't play it.

If all you want is the collector value, though, shoot.

That shipping cost will be murder, but if you just want it to brag that level of worth is largely on you.

[latent field]

I see thank you

[nova basalt]

Yeah, last year I actually proved that in husky raid by making people rage quit by using body type 1 and electric bubblegum coating.

[onyx latch]

Right, and people like me are the snowflake, lmao.

I once had three guys in Firefight try killing me the entire match because I wore the LGBT pride/Unity skin.

Considering there's no friendly fire, it kinda just came across as inconvenient. good score payout though.

You just missed them.

Time and boredom, mostly.

Like half of a college degree and a decade of military service. A few auto mechanic certifications.

A gun and a tazer, maybe runner's spray since the former two are kind of a pain to jog with.

Or is it Taser? Eh. It's more fun with the letter z.

This really is all you have going on in your life, isn't it.

[near blade]

Move on

[north kernel]

Omfg not even a day later. Bro already rejoined the server. Lmao.

[onyx latch]

Moving on, yeah.

I always find Halo's success, or lack of it, in eastern markets kind of interesting.

Because like, it's been tried, down to Halo Online, but it's also been carried out in the most fundamentally flawed ways possible.

Such as running an open beta in Russia, of all places, where Halo has never sold well.

[onyx latch]

Do you want me to snip out my side as well? I know you said move on, just seems weirdly orphaned.

[near blade]

I'd prefer you not to engage when that happens. Just report it and move on

[onyx latch]

Understood, was trying to make it a learning moment first.

[solid canopy]

FPS/First Person action games have historically not been very popular in eastern markets

Iirc it has something to do with how Westerners have a higher tollerence for motion sickness or smth

[onyx latch]

I don't think that's really true, but then, I think that kinda just sounds like pseudoscience.

[latent field]

I remember reading about that as well

I think the only big success was Metroid but could be wrong

[solid canopy]

People in some ethnic and geographic groups are more likely to report being susceptible to motion sickness; for example, studies suggest that there is a higher prevalence of motion sickness among Asians than among Europeans.

Per Medineplus.gov

An example of this effecting a video game in real life was the Japanese port of Spyro The Dragon where Japanese playtesters reported feeling nauseous after playing. This caused the Japanese localization to have a tweeked camera system and slower pace

I'm not saying this is the only reason FPS games or Halo specifically failed in eastern markets, but it is a factor

Halo not catching on in Japan can also be owed in large part to the fact that Xbox was a dud in Japan

They did see some brief success with the first half of the Xbox 360's lifespan, but that fizzled out eventually

[wooden briar]

And coming back, I see that I now stand rigorously corrected.

[onyx latch]

... Considering the popularity of handhelds, I still find it pretty dubious.

[onyx latch]

I'm not gonna lie, I think the opening triggered a red flag in my mind the second I saw it.

[solid canopy]

Motion sickness can occur differently in multiple people, and in different environments

[wooden briar]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-g1-decepticon-war-never-changes-gif-14180063

[solid canopy]

Oh my gosh I forgot about that episode of Transformers

[onyx latch]

Have you seen the vids by that guy who reanimates old episodes

[solid canopy]

Maybe?

[onyx latch]

They're p good. I like how the transformer's fanbase just doesn't really have the same form of 'srs bizniz' type stuff as other groups

[solid canopy]

For example, I'm pretty good with FPS games but Doom 3 gave me a nasty headache for a week and a half because of the uncentered flashlight

[onyx latch]

Fair enough.

I don't think I've ever really gotten motion sickness before, unless I was already really sick for another reason.

[placid narwhal]

Anyone think we see halo campaign evolved at the Xbox event on the 22 of this month??

[onyx latch]

Like choppy waves have kinda messed with me before, but it was mostly because I was already rough around the edges.

[onyx latch]

Probs. Hopefully.

[placid narwhal]

What mission would you want to see gameplay of?

Me personally I’d love to see assault on the control room or keyes

I hope they don’t show 343 guilty speak or the library

Leave the flood out of it lmao

[solid canopy]

I would appreciate them being hush-hush about the flood until launch day

[placid narwhal]

Especially for the PlayStation players who will be experiencing for the first time

[solid canopy]

Mhm

I'll admit I don't envy the position these developers are in. Many of them are making their first Halo game and still having to survive under the scrutiny of a fanbase that is very particular about Halo CE's look and feel

Now, given how Halo Anniversary turned out and the fact that Halo CE classic didn't get restored for a while, that scrutiny isn't coming from nowhere

[solid canopy]

I can't help but agree with the sentiment that Halo 5's Elites are far too thugish. I understand the intent of the Reclaimer Elites is to make them feel more monsterious, like a twisted version of the elegant warriors of the original games. That being said, the Elite sloppily lunging at Vale, Jul 'Mdama dying like the villain in a bad action flick, or the Elites getting flung out of the airlock at the start of Blue Team doesn't sell me on that at all

It just makes them come across as baffoonish

For the record, my issue is mainly with their actions and movement rather than their designs or armor (barring the face)

I do think they did an excellent job of blending elements from across the series with the Infinite Elites. Might be the best design in the series. Though I would like to see them give the Banished Elites a more, y'know, Banished look

I do scratch my head when I remember that they brought back the Zealot armor for Infinite, when said armor represents a religion that the Banished aren't tied to/actively resent. Then again, it does look pretty sick

[placid narwhal]

The people complaining about that honestly annoy me so much

Like what was the biggest gripes with 4 and 5 (I love 4 with all my heart and despise 5s campaign) it was 0 continuity to the series. The art style made it feel disconnected

[solid canopy]

Is that armor a point of contention?

[placid narwhal]

Using some infinite assets in the remake is the PERFECT way to show clear continuity across all games (if they do remake 2 and 3)

[placid narwhal]

Oh my word the amount of people saying that the golf elite is just from infinite oh my word why isn’t it a CE elite

Is ridiculous lol. Like I swear our fanbase is the most unhappy people. CE is my very very first video game let alone halo game. And I think the remake looks spectacular

[solid canopy]

I was reffering to the Zealot armor from 4 and 5 being bridged over to the Banished. Like, it isn't a dealbreaker for me, I just find it kind of odd

[placid narwhal]

Ohhh

[solid canopy]

I think it is fine for people to voice their complaints about how Halo Campaign Evolved looks/adapts Halo CE

I for one, do agree that that the stuff shown off veers away from CE's art direction a little too much

[placid narwhal]

I don’t mind voicing complaints or concerns but do it over stuff that matters. Like really? Because the elite isn’t designed how it was in 2000 the game isn’t gonna be good?

[placid narwhal]

The stuff I disliked was the more shiny forerunner asthetic. Halo CE takes place on an old ring which has gone through time which the original conveyed through the environments well

But again I really think it looks fantastic and CE is the MOST nostalgic game for me. I’ve played it more than any other halo game (maybe tied with 3)

[solid canopy]

I think the new Forerunner architecture is far too angular/lacks some of composure of the original designs

[placid narwhal]

Agree there for sure

[hidden thistle]

I could be big stupid dumb, but was everything in terms of design changed in Halo 4 because of copyright or something?

[solid canopy]

No

343i just wanted to go their own way rather than try to immitate Bungie

Which I don't think was a bad call, per say

But it would've helped if there was a more clear transition between the two

[hidden thistle]

Agreed. I just thought it was copyrighted for some reason.

Again, I said I could be big stupid dumb when I asked that

[solid canopy]

The only things copyrighted would be things Bungie explicitly owned

It is why the Reclaimer Glyph was changed from the Marathon symbol to something a bit more distinct

[hidden thistle]

Oh. That actually makes sense

[solid canopy]

Fair warning, mods don't like leaks being discussed here

Real or otherwise

Tbh I just want MCC to come over to PS5 and Switch

More so than them spending another 10 years remaking Halo CE, 2, and 3

Like, you already have a collection of games made to let players easily play and understand each game in the series

[ashen rune]

Half of them are bots regurgitating hate from elsewhere (and sometimes other bots) btw

[solid canopy]

I think remaking 2 and 3 would be unneeded when 2 has a pretty solid remaster and 3 looks just fine

[ashen rune]

So it's more important than ever to make your own opinion about your video games like this than ever

[placid narwhal]

Yeah fair

[placid narwhal]

True but I mean if they want them on PlayStation

[solid canopy]

Just port MCC

[placid narwhal]

Fair enough ig

I know that was talked about for a bit

(It wasn’t leaked plz don’t ban me)

[solid canopy]

You don't have to do that

[hidden thistle]

Well I did

[solid canopy]

It was just an FYI

Also, it won't happen because the technical side of things is wack, but please port Halo 5 to PC. It is the one game in the series not on PC

If for any reason, just so Warzone will be active again

[hidden thistle]

No. I like it console only so it could be fair. Keyboard players are gods and I don’t want to be playing with the sweat lords they are

If you play on PC that’s fine, just let it be controller only. I played on keyboard and mouse, while it does make you better in skill, it seems unfair almost

[solid canopy]

You can always just have it be split between player preferences

[hidden thistle]

Through what Infinite or MCC?

[solid canopy]

Like have a playlist for Keyboard and mouse, a playlist for controllers and a playlist for mixed

Infinite already does that

[solid canopy]

This is a nitpick sure, but at the end of the hallway before you go get locked out of the map room (or was it the room with the hunters?) there is a mural of Forerunner glyphs. In the remake the glyphs are replaced with generic Forerunner circuit board patterns. It is little details like that which take from the enviornment and also I kind of think it removes how the original art style guided the player's eyes

[solid canopy]

Much as I like a lot of 4's Forerunner architecture, I do kind of wish they kept a bit of that darker, brutalist look for some of Requiem's locations

Mainly because I think it sells the idea of the planet being a "tomb" or prison for the Didact

I mean the name Requiem litterally refers to a mass for the dead or song written/composed for the dead

[latent field]

Has anyone played the halo 3 457 mod?

If so and this may be a nerdy question but in regard to lore why are there still hostile Elites still fighting for truth in the mod ?

[civic sundial]

Some modders just like throwing in enemy Elites into their Halo 3 mods without any thought about the lore

[latent field]

That makes sense I was curious about it

[civic sundial]

Fair

It's also why you see mods adding in Banished weapons despite the fact the Covenant never used Shock Rifles or Skewers

[rose gyro]

I prefer what it has because it paints a better picture of the Forerunners during their prime as a civilization when compared to when the Halo rings were made as something desperate

Requiem isn’t really supposed to be a prison for the Didact as it was more made that since he planned on being imprisoned

[onyx latch]

What's funny to me about how shield world geography works is that you could conceivably argue it was the Forerunners just wanting more ground to settle on.

[rose gyro]

He made the planet himself afterall

Not sure if it’s acknowledged or explored but like was there ever an issue with resources for the Forerunners when they’re doing stuff as big as constructing shield worlds?

[nova basalt]

If I remember right they would mine out entire planets

[radiant sundial]

Reminder that the monitor of installation 00 tried to use earth as resources to repaired the damage done in H3

[solid canopy]

One of the Halo 4 maps is set on a Forerunner structure taking power directly from a star, the Greg Bear novels show a caste of miners, Halo Infinite has multiple environments showing the ring reconstructing itself, the Ark in Halo 3 has a giant planet/moon in the middle of it being stripped mined

[rose gyro]

Kind of interesting that despite these things being around for thousands of years, the galaxy wasn’t stripped bare

[solid canopy]

The Galaxy is a big place, and I am sure that the Forerunners and Ancient Humans could produce materials a lot more effeciently

[civic sundial]

Solace referenced!! Love the visuals on that map

[solid canopy]

Solace is an example of the H4 Forerunner architecture at its best

It also had a lot of visuals made by the same dude who did some of the H2A multiplayer maps, which probably explains why those maps work so well for me

[short flower]

can you get the harbinger in firefight? probably just not in normal?

I’d imagine she’d be exclusive in almost legendary firefight.

[sturdy kernel]

We don't even have the sentinels in FF and that monitor boss
In some mode that boss is available, can't remember which
Idk about harbinger actually, I guess she is campaign exclusive

[solid canopy]

I can appreciate the design philosophy with Warden Eternal, making the boss flight a proper enemy type and not rely too much on gimmics (Halo 2) or overly scripted encounters (343 Guilty Spark in Halo 3). It is kind of like the Scarab in that sense. But for goodness sake, the Warden is not fun to fight

[short flower]

I’m sure probably forge could have the harbinger.

Oh yeah that’s right, we don’t even have Adjutant either…

[solid canopy]

I mean, if he is going to be a proper enemy type, at least give him some different varients from one encounter to the next

Though, I guess the problems with Warden Eternal aren't exclusive to him and instead more emblematic of how the squad gameplay screwed with Halo's game design

[short flower]

If you were to get harbinger through forge and try to have a legendary difficulty match, that would be like THE ultimate challenge.

Escharum on normal is already rough man.

Weakness. All to human!

You think this will save your friend? He’ll die, like you!

[solid canopy]

I rewatched the Halo CEmake trailer again for the first time in a while. It doesn't look bad at all, but I do think Sprint is woefully out of place

Seeing the player just rush through hallways looks very wrong, especially when Halo CE puts a lot of emphasis on taking in the atmostphere of an envrionment

Also I don't know why they cut the Warthog jump that lets you splatter those jackals

Sprint is fine when the gameplay is built around it. Halo CE simply isn't. On an additional note, I don't buy the "Modern FPS games have to sprint" arguement when Doom is right over there

[cyan forum]

Apparently the sprint in Halo CER isnt the same placebo take on it from Infinite

Its legit faster than before and thats really bad and outright careless design

[coarse dagger]

Played fine for me tbh, been waiting to sprint around cartographer for 20 years 😂

[cyan forum]

Speaking of Doom, id actually be more okay around the boost mechanic

Something not pointed out by enough people is that doomguy actually moves slower in Eternal and this was by design to force players to use the boost to dodge certain attacks

I think this style of play would be perfect for Halo. No sprint, just a slower chief, but with a boost that can be used to dodge fire that tracks you like it always has before

Basically just 5

But no sprint

[short flower]

The sprint could make the two longest levels (The Library, Two Betrayals) better, and not so much a slog each.

[cyan forum]

Iirc they said they wanted to change those levels around or at least readjust them

Which i think would be better than preserving the original poorly received design and just letting us sprint through it

[solid canopy]

Yeah that

[coarse dagger]

You can always just... turn off sprint

[solid canopy]

I'm sorry but that is a band-aid solution

[coarse dagger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx latch]

Sprint can't hurt you if you refuse to acknowledge it exists.

It also can't hurt you if you do acknowledge it exists, of course. This is because it not an attack nor something that can deal damage.

[left snow]

I doubt it will make much difference.

The type of players that like to stop and smell the roses still can.

The importance of sprint in the new CE is that it stamps the game play of Halo going forward.

We're not going back.

Consistent mechanics across all the upcoming projects.

It's subjective and emotional. And we'll probably lose some players (or at least not get them back).

But we can now move on.

[winged hazel]

This is because it not an attack nor something that can deal damage.
not with that attitude it ain't!

[solid canopy]

Spartan Charge did exist

[solid canopy]

The issue is that this is a remake of a game with a very specific gameplay loop, built very intentionally. Halo 7 having sprint is a different conversation than CEmake having it

[cyan forum]

Yeah sprint being turned off is a literal "yeah we know its dumb"

[onyx latch]

That wasn't sprint you silly billy

[left snow]

The issue is that this a bridge to bring the games to a new generation of players.

[cyan forum]

Almost like they were mandated to have it but knew fans wouldn't be happy with it

[solid canopy]

It feels less like "we know it is dumb" and more "we can't decide"

[cyan forum]

I disagree

[winged hazel]

damn i really should've joked about it dealing psychic damage to older targets.

[cyan forum]

But its not good either way

Tbh im more upset about the lack of health and power ups

[onyx latch]

I think they shouldn't have made it an option. It being an option at all entertains detraction in an inorganic way.

[left snow]

Sprint is neither here nor there in the Campaign.

It will make little difference.

But in multiplayer it makes a world of difference.

My best guess is that they want a degree of consistency across their projects.

[solid canopy]

It isn't the end of the world but it is something that I think detracts from the core gameplay loop/level design.

[nova basalt]

I for one like running and sprinting
I enjoy the representation of having people who run and sprint in halo

[cyan forum]

I dont really know what the general consensus is on health pick ups and power ups with Halo fans, but i adore them and really hate how inconsistent their inclusion has been even before the 343 era. They were a fun bit of classic 90s video game design that got lost in favor of "muh realism and lore"

[left snow]

Good point. It just confuses the implementation.

People can still unbind the button manually if that's their go.

[onyx latch]

Same reason I was against the 'authenticity toggle' or whatever it was for Halo MCC, like, nah. The behavior of Halo fans has made it clear they don't deserve what they get in the first place, and throwing a bone at a jerk tends to make them hunt for more bones.

[onyx latch]

There's also that of course

[nova basalt]

Lol

[cyan forum]

I spent countless hours using the active camo to mess with the elites and grunts in the silent cartographer map room 🔥

[cyan forum]

I mean, we've already seen how sprint affects the campaign. Again its not the same placebo sprint from infinite, its actually much faster and capable of outrunning enemies and entire set pieces. Its not good, its careless

[left snow]

I loved them.

My Spartan in Halo Infinite have one strapped to their thigh.

But again - I think Halo Studios will go for consistency here.

One mechanic across all their projects.

Doesn't mean they can't hide one here or there for nostalgia. Or have them as a Skull.

[cyan forum]

Thats the best way i can describe it tbh. Its on the same level of care as the many fan mods that like to insert weapons from halo 3 and reach into CE just because 🤷‍♀️

[cyan forum]

We can only hope. Taking away the camo and overshield will absolutely kill some of the enjoyment that og CE had imo

[winged hazel]

honestly? hot take here but i think i prefer how the two (well technically three) games where you can actually see your hp handle it. damage past your shield probably should've been a little longer-term going forward.

[left snow]

I didn't see much affect in the clips I saw.

And most people who got their hands on the demo weren't complaining (I haven't watched any of the usual suspects on YouTube).

[coarse dagger]

As far as I'm aware, camo and over shield have not been taken away

[cyan forum]

The video demo passed by several areas where there used to be an overshield

There was no overshield

[coarse dagger]

It was a small slice of an unfinished demo, not everything will be ready and implemented

Camo was in the build

[cyan forum]

Im that case im weirded out they didnt put that in the demo

[coarse dagger]

It maybe wasn't fully ready at the time the demo was being recorded

[cyan forum]

Even bigger hot take, the health system shouldve never gone away to begin with. Especially with how popular the regen health system had become after halo 2

Halo ce almost retroactively feels like a bridge between boomer shooters and modern shooters with having both the shield and health system. Its probably why its still my fav campaign of the franchise even now

[short flower]

Cartographer sprinting has easily been a BIG need, and that will finally be achieved.

[winged hazel]

if i'm not mistaken it never exactly "went away;" just hidden from the player, which just makes it more confusing

[cyan forum]

I know it technically does exist since you can take damage after your shield has depleted, but it regenerates just like your shields anyways. Halo 5 and infinite at least had it so you can see your remaining "health" on display

Side note, this also kinda hurts firefight and is probably why infinites version of it just doesnt click with me personally

Even tho its got some really good ideas going for it

[rose gyro]

I’m just gonna say I’m glad sprint is being added to campaign. It was torture getting through the CE campaign without it due to being such a slog

[short flower]

Friendly fire splattering has GOT to go from infinite man. Worst thing ever.

[shadow turret]

As much as I do agree
Also if you got hit by a car going at top speed you'd prolly be flattened
So

(I also never play vehicle modes tbf)

[celest heron]

it's either that or get hit and go flying across or out of the map. could also be abused in objective modes or by team killers.

[celest heron]

wow, shocking

[cyan forum]

I think parts of CE's campaign feeling like a slog are more a problem of the level design rather than the lack of sprint

Especially if youre referring to the second half of the game

Which basically means sprint isnt gonna fix any of those problems, it merely changes them into new problems

[celest heron]

levels weren't even that bad except maybe library and two betrayals, but TB only because it's a backwards AotCR. all of them had little downtime, lots of scary areas (I guess if you think the flood were scary) and plenty of vehicle sections where there were long distances to trek.

[cyan forum]

Even the library doesnt warrant the sprint ability tbh. It legit just needs to be shortened. Two betrayals' downtime could easily be remedied by adding more vehicles which is kinda what the devs are doing anyways by giving you the ability to hijack vehicles which is a GOOD change

The devs also said theyre implementing changes to the library's design too so again, another preferable change over "just add sprint lol"

[brazen cliff]

Feels like Mouse + KB is at a huge disadvantage on MCC vs Gamepad with Aim Assist

Shotgun in H:CE in particular feels like a completely different gun. Point blank with Mouse feels like the spread hits nothing, but gamepad feels like a full power blast

[short flower]

Perfections taken away just like that, ugh.

[left snow]

I don't think Sprint is here for the Library.

It's here to make it easier to go from this to Halo 7 and/or Multiplayer (whatever form that takes).

Halo Studios are probably also mindful of Sprint going forward. This move settles that argument cleanly.

[solid canopy]

I played CE on legendary a few months back and I found the Library pretty alright. Two Betrayals sucked though

[cyan forum]

I actually dont mind two betrayals tbh

[left snow]

M&KB have their own pros and cons.

Generally both sides are equally as paranoid about each other.

There is no way anyone is beaten on actual skill.

[left snow]

I remember the library.

Two Betrayals is lost to the tincture of time. Or maybe I've actively repressed the memory.

Looking forward to playing it again later this year.

[cyan forum]

Seems likely tho in that case id already consider halo 7 yet another problematic title for the series if it will in fact have sprint. Its already a complete nothing burger of a mechanic in infinite

[solid canopy]

The level design is just a slog, especially on legendary where they constantly put you in encounters with little cover or make you traverse areas made for vehicles on foot

[cyan forum]

Yeah im sure the ability to hijack vehicles will benefit this level the most

[left snow]

Friendly fire and splatters should be on.

I just wish the game was better at detecting malicious behaviour.

Surely a certain % of friendly damage warrants escalating penalties.

[left snow]

It still makes your movement less predictable. Which is the bugbear of classic play.

I don't believe there can be compromise - so I'd lean into H5 more for the next game.

[short flower]

I get so tired of such things.

[cyan forum]

Id argue it makes things even more predictable. Like

"i took out that guys shields, i wonder what theyll do next"

They sprint away

As opposed to something like in 3, where the disadvantaged player will more often choose to hold out or confront me. Ill give some credit to 5 tho, since it at least allows sprint to halt your shield regen

[solid canopy]

There is a very "zen" like feel to classic Halo movement

When the combat flows just right and you are in total control of your actions, it is great stuff

I'm not "anti-sprint" so much as I think sprint is hit or miss

[shadow turret]

I personally like it, and I find it helps pacing a lot
But there's also always the option to just not use it

[solid canopy]

I do kind of wonder how Halo 5 might've felt if rather than sprint they went with an extra fast core movement speed alla Nu-Doom

[solid canopy]

I think it is better for them to find a lane and stick in it rather than let their game design have to cater to two styles of play.

[left snow]

Exactly. In the older Halo's you were utterly predictable to the point that if you erred with your positioning you were as good as dead. There was no recovering. Which is kind of what map control was all about.

Sprint, slide, thrusters, etc - allow you to escape. Or if you are good enough - reverse an encounter. Which is a different kind of meta entirely.

[solid canopy]

Arena encounters could've had an even tighter feel to them

[left snow]

And some people love / revel in that kind of game play.

[left snow]

There would be a limit to how fast you can go. Once you are fast enough to traverse open space without dying - then the meta switches.

[solid canopy]

You say that like there has never been a speed cap in every Halo game?

[left snow]

Exactly.

They tried with Infinite. And they did a great job with the "feel" of classic Halo.

But while you have sprint / slide then players are still escaping / reversing encounters. Which is never going to work in bringing the two groups back together.

So if they are going to retain sprint - which is their clear intention with the new H:CE - they may as well embrace it and head towards Halo 5.

The downside there is what to do with grapple? Lots of people loved it. But it's utility would be lessened by faster sprinting.

[left snow]

Not a limit in as how fast you go... but a limit in how fast you can increase the movement. Doom like speeds would be too fast.

[solid canopy]

CEmake has the issue of having to make its gameplay design work for both sprint and non-sprint players or insert it into environments where it wasn't intended. It is a bit like playing Sonic 1 with the spindash where the levels were not designed for that kind of movement. There was intent for how Halo CE played, and there is a serious question of how it will effect the remake

This isn't like the remake of RE2 where they are adapting a game to an entirely different style of gameplay. Campaign Evolved is very much a First Person Shooter

[shadow turret]

Yea def
I'm just saying, there's always still the option to not use sprint

[cyan forum]

I dont get the aha moment here. I merely gave two of many choices that you had in classic halo, there was always more to it than just take cover or fight back. With infinites sprint, it almost always results in the disadvantaged player just running away unless they have a sword or hammer which allows them to sprint towards you for a cheap kill

That leads to another problem btw, sprint promoting absolutely braindead double meleeing. A trend that admittedly did not affect infinite as much as it did reach

But it still sucks when it happens

Again i do like how 5 handled sprint tho. Its not fully encouraged since again, it stagnates your shields

[solid canopy]

I am still going to check out Campaign Evolved when it comes out. I am cautiously optimistic about how it will turn out, even if I know for a fact it will be given a lot of scrutiny by certain fans. Though I am a little concerned about how things are behind the scenes with people like Glenn Israel departing the studio or their chief of staff stepping down or that one quote about the tension among the team. I want to be hopeful for the next slate of Halo games, but Microsoft/Xbox being horrible at mangement, the departures/reports mentioned above, and things like the handling of Digsite make me feel very uncertain

the way Digsite fell apart was such a massive blow; it might be one of the biggest fumblings 343i/Halo Studios have made. Maybe that is hyperbole

[opal crescent]

Hey what was originally planned with Chief in the end cutscene in H3? I heard he was sent to a specific place by mendicant or offensive bias

It seemed to me it was a remote planet

[left snow]

The aha moment. Take on me... 🙂

Classic Halo boils down to be being able to defend space. And that gets harder when your opponent has options.

I think it was Shyway who did a video once in Halo 5 - showing the options a player had going through a door - and how they could use those options to get advantage on someone who was trying to defend that space. Combinations of running, sprinting, crouching, sliding, and thrusting.

To me it highlighted the difference between classic and modern metas. And at the core of most of those moves was the ability to sprint.

Sure, there are other nuances. Pros and cons. But at it's core - sprint allows you to position yourself badly (take risks) and survive. And that means it can't be reconciled with classic play.

[cyan forum]

Those options are primarily what made classic halo so dynamic in the first place. The assortment of whacky weapons and equipments that can change up a fight as well as one's knowledge of the map and weapon spawns, as opposed to a modern shooter's heavier focus on simply being faster and also aiming better

And while i do really like 5's purposeful changes to the movement and its affects on legacy mechanics and weapon usage, i still find myself more drawn to 3's gameplay loop personally

Like picking up a sword in classic halo didnt mean you could sprint recklessly and go on a "mlg pro killstreak montage", it merely gave you a really strong option to rely on if you were being chased from behind or caught by more than one player. It wasnt a power weapon in the traditional sense like a rocket launcher or spartan laser

[cyan forum]

And tbh it wouldve just ended up being quake but with a dash of halo sauce

Not that i would mind that tbh, since i loooove doom eternal's modernized take on classic shooter elements

[rose gyro]

No. Just no

[rose gyro]

Yeah except I didn’t find any of that enjoyable in CE. I just found it more annoying needing to scrounge for a weapon while dealing with enemies at the same time and if I don’t find some place to hide and shoot around for cover, I’m dead

Made worse by health packs and being trapped at low health at times

[cyan forum]

I mean, thats CE for ya. Its got the "worst" multiplayer of the classic trilogy because it was literally rushed into the final game, unrefined and all

Its a dumb party game more than anything. A fun one tho

[rose gyro]

I’m talking the campaign and just gameplay in general

[cyan forum]

Oh well then thats just preference i guess. A lot of people love that old resource management gameplay loop of older shooters

[rose gyro]

I could barely stand how slow CE and the other classic trilogy games were

Literally got so tired of it I cheered when I saw sprint in Reach and groaned when it turned out to be a armor power

[cyan forum]

Dang

[rose gyro]

It took me longer to get through CE than the other classic games because it just drained me to get through each level. Like I seriously needed to just stop and do something else after a CE level because I felt no energy to keep going. 2 and 3 didn’t feel quite as bad after a certain point but I just was not seeing what would make these games anything worth praising this many years later

[cyan forum]

Yeh again it could just be preference towards faster shooters. Or a lack of understanding of CE's mechanics

No offense btw. Like a fair amount of people dont like new Doom either

[rose gyro]

I don’t play Doom and frankly classic Halo just does not come off as THAT great of shooters. I worked with the mechanics laid out to me and I just wasn’t impressed, at best it felt alright or good but im not lying when i say im not touching those games if i can help it, especially CE

[cyan forum]

Well what shooters do you even like?

[rose gyro]

Titanfall 2, COD both grounded and advanced movement, Marvel Rivals, The Division, Destiny, Helldivers 2, Warframe, Bioshock

Besides good gunplay, they all have extra things to spice up engagements

Reach, 4, and 5 had those things through stuff like interchangeable armor abilities, sprint, the thruster system, a REQ system (I don’t buy any, I just make do with whatever I get from REQ packs and it’s fun enough for me)

[cyan forum]

Halo was always its own kinda thing away from games like CoD or Marvel Eivals so yeah, its just a preference thing in the end

Halo 4 in particular was a legitimate attempt to be more like CoD which is why its so divisive

[neat crag]

Why did Cortana have such detailed feet in halo 4

[kind rose]

sounds more like a preference than the games fault

Halo has always been about interacting with the Sandbox and not personal ability. Even with Halo Infinite

[hoary zenith]

[sullen owl]

These are all relatively new games, with the exception of Bioshock. You may need to go back further than CE to understand why CE was groundbreaking.

Between 1993-96 basically everything was a Doom-like or mixed adventure/arcade rail shooter.

96-00, Quake/ Team Fortress/ Half-Life really pushed things forward, but still primarily on PC.

For consoles, Halo CE was something special compared to these older clunkier shooters. The control set alone was completely foreign at the time and is now, with mild changes for sprinting and ADS, nearly industry standard.

And on the Bioshock side of things, definitely play System Shock one and two.

[sleek hatch]

You are comparing games from 2001 to 2008 to games from 2014 and newer. 2014-2008 is 6 years. A lot happened in those 6 years.

Bioshock is from 2007 and you can't sprint in that.
It had less movement than Halo 3.
I swear you just post bait for attention.

[sullen owl]

Eh. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt if they're on the younger side. Gaming has been pretty stagnant for ~15 years now honestly. 360 games to Series games are pretty much the same games just flashier. Someone even younger than 25 might not appreciate how drastic the changes were within such short spans of time prior to the year 2000. It's easy to look at a timeline in retrospec, but you really have to actually play those genre leaps in order to care about them. It's why I would never have someone play Reach before CE, it's the timeline order, and the default in MCC, sure, but they're night and day.

[hasty steeple]

is it me or does push to talk not work in infinite multiplayer?

[rapid bone]

guys

why is no halo 5 on pc

like do I have to buy a new xbox just to play halo 5

[glacial tartan]

You can play it via cloud gaming, albeit with some lag of course.

[rapid bone]

no cloud gaming in my region

its is only there in like 10-15 countries

[glacial tartan]

In that case you’re right, besides forge which is on PC you’re out of luck.

[rapid bone]

forge has no singleplayer

[glacial tartan]

Yes, it’s very limited. They have no appetite for it to be on PC, until that changes we are here 🙂

[rapid bone]

so I guess I need to find some nearby who has an xbox and finish the game in one go

[shadow turret]

It's just that especially this late in its life cycle, and with basically nobody working on it anymore, it's a lot of work to port it to PC
As much s I'd honestly love it too, or at the very least MnK support for it
It prolly won't happen

[glacial tartan]

Yes the further we get away from it, the less likely it seems. I feel like its been a few years since they even re-acknowledged that there were no plans for it.

[shadow turret]

Yeaa

[sullen owl]

The further we get away from it, the easier it is though. Like resurrecting corpses from cryo freeze farms in the desert. It'll happen. 🥴

[compact marlin]

Halo will never die

[sullen owl]

Never is a strong word. At some point Halo won't be a thing anymore.

[compact marlin]

Well, yeah. But, I'm just saying that it's still alive and I'm happy for that

[short flower]

The Repulsor might just be the answer to catch being a problem because of dynamo grenades.

[solid canopy]

Raycevick ending his "Halo 4... 4 Years Later" video saying, "Halo as a series has never truly peaked" still sticks with me

Leaves me both optimistic for the future and a bit sad about how things have worked out thus far

Halo still has plenty of space to grow and evolve, I just don't know if we'll reach those heights anytime soon

[onyx latch]

Certainly won't reach them looking backwards.

[cyan forum]

As long as 343/halo studios keep cutting or delaying content and features, itll never reach that peak

The next game cant be allowed to launch as another "work in progress"

[true peak]

I think the move to Unreal has potential to really help that, at least as far as content development is concerned. Still, they'll probably hold something back for live-service sake...

[mint tendon]

chat is hcs halo esports league gone?

[mint tendon]

THANKS so i still have a chance to go prio

[coarse dagger]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/halo-infinite-hcs-update

[crystal iron]

fr server halo pleas

[ashen rune]

finally beat halo 2 and holy cow that was so bad

the ending

and the jackals... actually it did a really good job of making me hate jackals especially after they start bootlicking the brutes lol

I'm actually liking halo 3 a lot more already

is the halo 3 magnum good

[civic sundial]

It's terrible

[ashen rune]

noted lol

[civic sundial]

Honestly, you're better off with the BR in Halo 3 in most situations anyway

[ashen rune]

I've been using br, carbine, beam, sniper, and gravity hammer so far lol

I tried that weird new gun with rapid fire and I kind of like it for killing grunts

[civic sundial]

The Spiker? Yeah, that thing is only really good for Grunts. Like, it does do more melee damage than most other weapons too... But only by 2 points

[hoary hearth]

HALO WARS 3
We need it you need it just make it

[silver plaza]

[hidden thistle]

Uhhh no! It’s a piece of trash.

[compact marlin]

Hey guys, what do they mean when they're using AI to help develop Halo Campaign Evolved, cause I am extremely confused with all the different answers going around

[plush bridge]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[compact marlin]

No, I'm serious. I've been out of the loop for a bit. What's the reason the AI thing is there?

[merry ridge]

Free boom o22

[inland minnow]

there has been no such official announcement, as far as i am aware. that claim is all rumour

[compact marlin]

That's what I've been thinking, I've been trying to find the source for it and I can't find anything on it

[coarse dagger]

There is no source

[short flower]

Onyx Corporal.

So I’m on the 4th full level of Onyx.

Hero is still a LONG ways away, despite having doubled progression.