halo-discussion

[tulip tusk]

sparrowhawk is cool in Hugegrass

[steep glen]

On MNK in Infinite, wasn't there a settiing to zoom out again with the Sniper when pressing RMB, instead of going into the enhanced zoom first?

[crystal iron]

Yeah

[steep glen]

Ok so I just need to look harder 🙂

I think it only works with hold to zoom, not for toggle?

[amber lake]

Halo MCC host migration always failing to select host and ending games for entire lobby. Bug has been happening for about a month now. makes it almost unplayable for everyone with all of the crashes that take place on console and pc. Is anyone looking into this bug?

tried posting a thread in the halo channel but i guess i dont have permission.

[warped yew]

Probably

[glacial tartan]

I’ve been playing daily and can’t recreate it, if I do I’ll report it

[edgy forum]

Hot take I like the Halo 4 main menu music

[fallen bolt]

is there a media chat

i needa post a screenshot😭

[civic sundial]

You need to be inheritor to post screenshots here

[glacial tartan]

You can use #1076327824924872755

[fallen bolt]

thx i just made a thingy #1284107208983973970

😭😭😭

[amber lake]

im mainly seening it with h3 big team heavies. either the host quits or the often game crash that happens for people but it goes to host migration, finds a host, then goes to connecting and just fails out the entire lobby

[celest heron]

probly a mild take

[edgy forum]

Aw yeah Halo 4 and 5 music lovers rise up

[topaz pier]

Hated it at first but honestly growing on me

[zealous panther]

But... Why would you hate it? It's not some kind of out of place rap song or something.

[civic sundial]

Some people like to hate on stuff that isn't made by Bungie

[warped yew]

To be fair, it doesn't have same feel as Leonidas, Unyielding, or the Halo theme 👀

The Mantis theme is cool and all, but One Final Effort and Rock Anthem for Saving the World is better

Idk my main problem with the soundtrack is that it lost its grandiosis tone with all its different instruments in favor of a more techno tone which makes sense

But the techno tone really wasn't all that different from other games at the time doing the same thing

[tulip tusk]

Yea h4 main menu theme is a bit screechy but it's okay

[warped yew]

I can appreciate the h4 soundtrack cuz it genuinely has some good tracks but it's rly not that unique compared to other Halo games and other Video Game soundtracks

It's like the Armored Core soundtrack problem

We had tracks like Remember, Precious Park, Mechanized Memories, Viper, Milk, Scorcher, Autobahn, Panther, Fall

But when AC6 came out, we had Fight and Flight and Unkillable. . .

The soundtrack is just a huge downgrade compared to the previous games. Not only that, it lost what made it feel unique

[edgy forum]

I enjoy synthetic noises and EDM because I grew up with Daft Punk

However they play that one track in Spartan Ops a bit too much lol fair enough

[edgy forum]

Happy 14th Birthday Planet Reach

[crystal iron]

Amen

[fierce sundial]

is this eac bug just a feature now, what is taking so long to fix it

[signal ivy]

I don' t agree. In fact I prefer the H4 soundtrack over all of the other Halo OSTs.

[warped yew]

I mean yeah music taste are subjective

But everything is fact. The grandiosos tone with all the different instruments was lost to better fit the more techno vibe of this game

The tone with this game was alot more melancholic and laid back compared to the epic, bombastic, and loud music of the earlier games

We had Leonidas, One Final Effort, Rock Anthem, Winter Contingency, Follow, Warthog Run, Unyielding, Reclaimer, Mjolner and Massive Air Attack

These tracks are just a lot more memorable imo.

[tulip tusk]

i remember being fine with most h4 music but just don't remember them bc i never wanted to replay any campaign missions. like Infinite has nice music but i only remember the walk in the woods one i cant remember any campaign moments + music to accent it

[edgy forum]

Same thing with DOOM and DOOM Eternal, great heavy metal music but I cannot remember the name of missions lol maybe Halo was just etched into my brain since birth and I’m marked into it

[brave lava]

Has Big team infection ever made it back to infinite? I stopped playing ever since they removed it. And they refuse to add it back. I miss when games were trying to be fun and not sweaty all the time. Space marine 2 is such a blessing in that sense

[zealous panther]

From my perspective it's more halo then halo reach music for example.

hmmm... but again it's Reach so it doesn't count

[warped yew]

That's why I mentioned like 1 track from Reach

FYI, tip of the spear sneaks in a little Halo theme song at the start lol

[zealous panther]

i don't really remember much of the h4 ost tbh, but i like the main theme. That beautiful voice and the pile of space junk in orbit really set the mood.

Heh, i just like h4 campaign. It was soooo good after Reach.

[stoic canopy]

One thing that has been frustrating the piss out of me about Infinite's matchmaking (and most modern games TBH) is that devs just seem to have completely forgotten how unfair Solos vs. Premades are and are just like "Yep, this full stack vs. 2+1+1 is gonna be fair".

So many of my matches recently have been this way - especially in Squad and BTB.

It's like I know the MMR may technically work out but a stack has a massive advantage where just being in one can honestly bump you up an entire tier or two without any skill improvement.

[uneven bison]

A simple fragment of a dbd players pain

[tulip tusk]

Yea stacks r the way if u want to inflate kd and win rate. Remember the Halo 5 warzone stacks? 😆

[edgy forum]

Looks like Halo HQ is in trouble

Not sure if those people work at 343 but they’re rather a community thingy

[ebon lava]

What happened to them

[edgy forum]

Posted AI generated image of Spartans

[ebon lava]

ah damn

[coarse dagger]

Completely community run

[edgy forum]

Okay thank you for the clarification, hope nobody at the company gets threaten by an angry mob

[civic sundial]

Some people won't care and will go after 343 anyway. They shouldn't as it's something 343 has no involvement with but it's not stopped people in the past

[edgy forum]

Unfortunate

[celest heron]

if sbmm was working as intended and the population was there to support it, your team of solos would actually have a higher combined mmr than the party so the match would be more even. They accounted for that, but it doesn't really work in low pop games.

[tough temple]

Is co-op campaign crossplay possible in MCC between Xbox and Steam? I heard it's not but that they might be working on it?

[glacial tartan]

Crossplay campaign is there for Halo 3 / ODST. None of the other titles

[white birch]

They're fans. Hence WHY they went with AI instead of hiring on someone capable.

[edgy forum]

Oh yeah that would make sense

[civic sundial]

Are they really fans if they think AI slop is better than getting someone to make actual fanart?

[white birch]

I dont think they thought it through all the way. Im fairly certain they just threw something up to get attention on Twitter.
As is usually the case with social media.

The backlash is unsurprising considering the hair-trigger that the fandom holds for basically anything.
Even, it seems, people attempting to make good on the existing positivity in the fandom.

See in case my point of someone assuming my complaints about the costume contest at HCS worlds being literally nothing but dudes in armor was an indication of my jealosy that my own skill was less than theirs.

As if I would bother making armor when everyone else does...

No, random dude, if Im going to make a costume, its going to be something new and original. Im going up on stage in shattered SPI carrying 20 severed xeno heads and trailing an actual, literal trail of ocher gore.

Im going to hold up a pole with an entire still-breathing half of a Brute Cheiftain on it.

But that in and of itself ties into my original complaint of "its always just dudes in armor"
Safe. Secure. Understandable. Marketable.

[edgy forum]

Props to those who make their own Spartan costumes/outfits to wear at HCS. Must take a lot to construct something awesome.

[white birch]

All the work goes into designing, making and wearing it. And then theres no lore behind it.

So its just "some dude in a costume"
Like man, at least give your character a name

[edgy forum]

Real, I’d give mine like S-053

[crimson berry]

Did they break Infinites map selection?

I swear I only see 3 maps each day I play.

[white birch]

Just bad luck/mix of people not wanting to play certain game modes

[edgy forum]

I cannot wait until October 4 to see what 343 is cooking

Props to the team for working on Infinite

[twin crag]

servers down?

[crystal iron]

Y

again?

[twin crag]

game's saying im offline

and mp isn't avbl
but my net is fine

nvm, just restated, it work fine now

[narrow sedge]

Is anyone else not a fan of Reach? Like half the reason I don't like infinite is because of how infatuated it is with Halo Reach

[onyx latch]

Based tbh

I like this fella already

[civic sundial]

When do we get more stuff based on Halo 4 and 5 is my question

Like, Achilles is cool but can we get Infiltrator, Gen 2 Warrior, Hunter, Recruit and Copperhead already?

[onyx latch]

NGL, I really want the GEN2 Aviator shoulders.

IDK why but I like that whole 'multi pie plate' look. It's unique.

[civic sundial]

Did we not get Aviator shoulders in Infinite? I know the helmet is there

[onyx latch]

Just the helm.

[civic sundial]

Ah, shame

Bring back the pie shoulders 343

[jade pebble]

I'd like to see 343 redo the mark 6 armor in this new art style

lots of changes to details would need to happen

[jade pebble]

its not as much of a problem with the pauldrons, but they constantly mess up the mk6 stuff with proportions or detail. like I literally hate what they did to the Locus helmet

so if they do implement the pie assembly, prepare for it to not look right

[onyx latch]

Me with my hatred of the GEN3 Soldier helm

[jade pebble]

yeah its not good

I get that people didnt like the soldiers look in 4 but they didnt like anything. I think looking back at it had a lot of good things

and something they never fumbled with mk6 back then were the proportions. everything looked incredible

[civic sundial]

Isn't that just Chief's armour in the campaign of Infinite?

[jade pebble]

no I'd argue that 4 and 5 had an art style that stepped out of the line that infinite and reach are walking on

[civic sundial]

Or do you mean the Gen 2 Mark VI?

[jade pebble]

like if you look at the world in them and compare. same with how armors were made etc

oh yeah I mean just the mjolnir mk6 in general, not chiefs armor

[civic sundial]

Ah. I mean, Chief's armour in the campaign is still a version of Mark VI so it's still relevant to bring uo

*up

[ebon lava]

Does anyone else get the "One of your team members has an unauthorized version of EAC. Cannot matchmake." every 2hrs of playing Halo?

[tulip tusk]

stuff I like about Reach:

• able to gametype mod on CGB, meaning: phantoms, pelicans, spirit dropships, great modded custom invasion / infection maps in CGB
• invasion mode
• falcons, 2 types of falcon
• vehicles
• explosions especially vehicle explosions, much cooler than Infinite's
• armor abilities
• elites
• firefight is better than odst's
• falcon
• needle rifle
• plasma launcher
• falcon
• other stuff i cant remember

[tranquil otter]

whats your favourite halo

besides reach

[dusky nova]

I think MK6 Gen 3 (Infinite) was largely inspired by how Spartan II's looked in Halo Legends.

The design is eerily similar in places, despite coming out in like 2010

[tulip tusk]

great question i luv ranting on it. hm not sure, i like specific parts of different Halos.

Infinite:

• Forge is the best with AI and scripting, but game feels lacking in vehicles and weapons even with weapon combo scripts, just ain't the same.
• poor, unsatisfying explosions, best ones are Adjutant Resolution's or the Hardlight coils
• lots of boss AI which is nice
• rocket hog sound ew
• cant remember anything else

Halo 1:

• fuel rod gun is a great weapon, sad the projectile arc was not used in later games
• multiplayer vehicles are invincible but they are lots of fun to control esp on PC, with some quirks
• pistol is so annoyingly op with the 3sk but plasma rifle is super good
• needler, even tho it sucks vs spartans it's a lot of fun to use with very long lock on range and needles explode even with shield up
• flamethrower
  Halo 2:
• campaign
• elites
• h2a campaign looks nice, multiplayer looks weird too much like H4
• like spectre even tho it sucks
• not much else tbh

Halo 3/ODST:

• very nice weapon pool, AR sound bad. Flamethrower wee
• explosions are awesome
• elites
• customs
• prowler sucks but is stylish
• elephant is cool
• equipment
• campaign
• elites
• steam mods, like Hugegrass or Battlefront, H3 Combat Evolved

Halo 4:

• abilities, weapons, classes are fun
• spartan ops could've been fun
• BR sounds awful
• story is cool
• mantis
• entire game looks weird and bothers me to point i don't like playing it
• nothing else tbh

Halo 5:

• amazing weapon pool
• weapons all useful or fun
• amazing vehicle pool
• warzone super fun and unique for halo
• card sys is weird but idk kinda worked for how fun warzone was
• that thrust ram thing
• cant remember campaign but Sanghelios was cool

[crimson berry]

I've got 10 game modes selected, I legit only see about the same three. Illusion, Forest, and Forbidden. Literally them three.

[white birch]

Probably cause no one else is playing the other ones youve chosen

[thick wave]

probably cos theyve ruined the game

matchmaking doesnt work for squad battle or big team battle, queue time says "1:30" but takes over 10 minutes

the EAC error as well also hasnt been fixed

the game is chalked for no reason, its the best feeling fps game out there yet core mechanics of the game make it unplaybale

its a massive joke and a huge L for halo

[coarse dagger]

This is being looked into, make sure to submit support ticket ls for any of these issues you encounter

[tranquil otter]

can u spawn ai in forge yet?

[thick wave]

its been happening for months though, looked into should have started months ago

[tulip tusk]

yes! tons of options with ai, it's awesome. If you go in Infinite's CGB youll see custom campaigns and firefights to play

[coarse dagger]

I can't remember when the issue first started being more apparent, but it wasn't long after that they were investigating

Depending on what the issue actually is, it may not be something that can be fixed quickly

[thick wave]

thank you for clearing that, just sucks these issues are ruining the halo experience

[bitter ferry]

anyone know why I have no audio when I open the game?

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[warped yew]

Yes. You can also spawn in phantoms and make AI drive vehicles

[crimson berry]

I find matches very easy though, so they are playing those modes.

Also who/what pinged me? I'm fine with'em but the message is gone?

[white birch]

Ghost ping.

[edgy forum]

Cheaters are heretics and should be cleansed by the Halo rings

[vast nova]

why does this guy keep saying the same thing everywhere

[jagged lance]

Thoughts on rumored Halo CE Remake?

[white birch]

Unlikely, and pointless.

[celest heron]

waste of time

[ruby lake]

unneeded

[tulip tusk]

What like bro said bro did bro? Skull emoji?

[latent acorn]

Very unlikely a remake will happen. And don't take rumors for granted as they are not always true.

[keen silo]

Dang. We almost made it a week without someone mentioned a CE remake

[willow sorrel]

anyone know how to super bounce on halo 2 mcc nowadays? with friends?

[lilac kettle]

I dont think you can anymore

I think the frame rate made it impossible

But I could be wrong

[willow sorrel]

you can't normally, but there was a mod on github that forces the tick rate to 30, bbut it doesn't work anymore

[lilac kettle]

pepe hands

[willow sorrel]

was wondering if anyone knew how to do it now

google is no help unfortuntely

[zinc vapor]

"308 new items" surely there is an option to clear this notification. it appears every single time i start up the master chief collection. anybody know?

you have to scroll through them all manually. what a colossal waste of time. stupid game

[sturdy kernel]

Or you can ignore them

[civic sundial]

Easier said than done for some of us

[celest heron]

I believe you can still do it in some spots, but you have to be a lot higher up.

[hollow storm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/s/3MA9Chh1Uo

Alright I need opinions because I guess I'm the crazy one. when you die in a game, do you not sit there and try and think about what you can do differently?

[real pagoda]

Throw whoever suggested it into a vat of Lekgolo

[civic sundial]

Why not out the airlock?

[real pagoda]

Less satisfying.

[civic sundial]

Fair

[civic sundial]

The reddit post seems unrelated to what you're asking. But yes, I do think what I can do differently when I die in games

[analog salmon]

I do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result

[real pagoda]

For a moment.

[hollow storm]

well I ask that because I feel like as long as you can do that, H2 legendary is very doable besides the obviously unfair parts

[real pagoda]

You can have the right idea the first time around, but need to refine your execution.

[hollow storm]

I can understand if some gets stuck on regret because the boss fight requires you to board him like 14 times or some insane number with sometimes check points being in between 2-3 sometimes 4-5 boards

and he drops you off on top of enemies which kills you

but a simple arena like the beginning of outskirts or the hallways of Gravemind shouldn't cause most people trouble no?

[keen silo]

All the time actually. It’s part of getting better at games. Usually my problem is being distracted or my aim was way off lol

[real pagoda]

Screw that-- gives us an HD version of Halo 3

[civic sundial]

That doesn't mean Halo 2 is easy though, it's considered the hardest for a reason

Like, Halo 2's difficulty comes from lack of time to properly test everything before launch

If it had the proper testing time it deserved, things like the Jackal Snipers would've likely been nerfed before release so that they don't kill you so quickly in every encounter they're in

[ruby knoll]

halo 3 mcc

[hollow storm]

I'm not denying it's difficulty. it's the hardest in the franchise I agree. I just think that when learning from your mistakes and being very careful, it's very doable. against except for the insanely unfair parts

like needing to kill 15+ jackal snipers after the tunnel in Metropolis can easily give anyone trouble not doubt. that's imo one of the hardest parts of the game because they don't stop spawning and there's a lot of open space in between cover spots

[zealous panther]

Why not to remake halo?

[civic sundial]

Because Combat Evolved doesn't really need one

And with the current state of pop culture often pushing for remakes of things that don't need them, a remake of CE would just be adding to that when the series really needs to move forward and not be trapped in the past

[real pagoda]

Because reboots are creatively lazy cash grabs

Like the last three Star Trek films.

[civic sundial]

Heck, I genuinely hope that the next game is Chief's last game, not because I hate him or anything but because he's reaching a point where there's not much else they can do with him

I want to see someone new step into the limelight

[zealous panther]

I like resident evil remakes for example. They aren'tneeded doesn't mean this is something bad

[real pagoda]

First Battle of Harvest?

[civic sundial]

I'd argue the REmakes were needed, given how janky the older games were. The only one I'd say wasn't needed was RE4make but with how that remake turned out, you can see it was made with reverence to the original and built upon the foundations of the original

[civic sundial]

We already got that in Contact Harvest, and it would again be looking into the past opposed to moving forward

[zealous panther]

So what is the problem with remaking halo exactly? I mean we can all be afraid it to be bad... But it's not like it will take anything from an existing game.

[real pagoda]

We just explained it.

[zealous panther]

Where ?

[civic sundial]

It's just not needed and the franchise needs to move onwards, not be constantly looking back

[zealous panther]

Remake of something doesn't mean not moving forward. Again look at resident evil remakes and numbered games like 7 and 8. Those are separate entities that don't have to stand on each other way.

[real pagoda]

The RE remakes are an exception to the rule.

A Halo: CE remake would almost certainly be made with the same contempt for its source material as the TV series.

[civic sundial]

The REmakes were in development in parallel to the new entires into the series

[civic sundial]

343 didn't make the TV show and would likely be the ones who helmed a remake if it did get made, not sure why you think they'd be throwing out the source material when they've been making sure that the games and related materials aren't destructive to other source material

[magic night]

The behind the scenes of the show also showed that those working on the show didn't hold the source material in contempt. I wasn't a fan of the direction the show took, but it's not fair to say they did it out of spite.

[zealous panther]

They probably can hire Saber again. I mean space marine 2 shows they are more than capable of doing a game from scratch. And with their horde tech something like flood can look really impressive.

Obviously I just speculate

[real pagoda]

If I never have to deal with Flood again, I won't mind.

After a while they get tedious and sloggy to fight.

[zealous panther]

I mean if we talk about the remake flood must be present

[real pagoda]

If I DO have to deal with them again...maybe it could be set during the Human-Forerunner War?

[civic sundial]

That's part of why I don't want the series to give us a remake or bring them back

[zealous panther]

This is waaaay back and waaaay too sci-fi

[real pagoda]

The more removed from Master Chief's story it is, the more wild you can reasonably go with art and story direction.

Aside from the Forerunner aesthetic, which is pretty much set at this point.

[sullen owl]

Tell that to Halo 4. lol

[zealous panther]

It's not about Chief. It's about it to be a prequel and also with a lot of more sci-fi high level of tech then we see now. I don't think people would appreciate removals of unsc stuff for example

[civic sundial]

I liked that the Forerunner stuff in Halo 4 was different

[real pagoda]

The visual language of 4 is highly simplified from the Bungie games.

[civic sundial]

Like, it'd be weird if everything looked the same across the board for an ancient empire

[civic sundial]

That's the first time I've heard someone call it simplified

[zealous panther]

I like forerunner stuff in halo 4 and 5, still I don't want the whole game in this aesthetic

If something it's overcomplicated

[real pagoda]

Compare to the look of Forerunner architecture in 3. More colors, more patterns, more textures.

[zealous panther]

HUH?!

[real pagoda]

Maybe not in actuality, but it does give that impression.

[sullen owl]

Yeah, you've got it a little backwards. Halo 4 had everything over stylized.

[real pagoda]

That something is missing.

[civic sundial]

Sure allot of it is grey in Halo 4 but that's kinda how most Forerunner stuff is, grey

The colours normally come from lights being blue or green or red

And then with a dash of gold within very specific locations

Which is something we see more in Halo Infinite, especially when looking at the Silent Auditorium

[edgy forum]

Someone said to me that Forerunner architecture in CE to 3 was apex era while Forerunner architecture in 4 to Infinite is new era whatever that means. I guess they’re pointing out the art style. I like hexagons

[civic sundial]

It's just meant to be like how architecture is in our world where you have differences due to time period, area, function and designer. Like how Japanese architecture is different from British architecture in regards to sights of religious importance

Though with the Halos specifically, I imagine there's less of the floaty stuff we see on Requiem and at Genesis due to the rings being constructed specifically for the purpose of combatting the Flood, function took precedence over the form

[bold ruin]

I kinda like the Halo 5 Forerunner structures more than the Halo Infinite structures because the Halo 5 ones are a bit simpler. Like, look at some of those doors in Halo Infinite (I don't know whether or not they're Forerunner, I'm kinda stupid, but they look like it), they're pretty complex and have a lot going on.

[civic sundial]

The Forerunner doors seen in Infinite are based off of the ones we see in the original trilogy

Just as examples, this first door is from Halo 3, second is Infinite. The biggest difference is how much of the door has lights on it

[bold ruin]

Ohh that's cool

[warped yew]

Looking back on the art style of Halo 4 and 5. The floors look like they could easily trip someone over lol

So many bumps and dips

[jade pebble]

I like how theyve done that. it makes the space feel more important and special, not just for the fact that its gold but that its different from the grey we see all around

[keen silo]

I like the Infinite door much better. I can better see the insides of the door and it looks more artsy.
H3 door is more secretive and untrustworthy

[warped yew]

I think the lighting is just helping with that lol. The insides are the same but just lit up

[serene badger]

Infinite doors make it easier to see when it is locked vs accessible.

But eh, as long as the door keeps the Flood at bay...

[sturdy kernel]

Infinite door looks more like technologically better than Halo 3 door during The Ark mission

[jade pebble]

I feel like the infinite door is the defining versio. feel like bungie wouldve done something similar back then if they could

[balmy wedge]

Remember when they revealed these and the Halo internet lost their collective minds? That was so beautiful, people were pumped for these doors.

[warped yew]

Good times lol

I remember when Reach was shown and everybody hyped up riding the forklift

[keen silo]

I never understood the forklift hype.

[warped yew]

It was just appreciation for the small things lol

Damn

[lilac kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/blink182-simpsons-gif-11713769

[warped yew]

Sad

[analog salmon]

ig its just cause it was a common prop in halo 3 forge

so it being drivable was like woah

[edgy forum]

And now we can drive it again in Infinite

[crystal iron]

It’s not even in forge though :p

[edgy forum]

Forklift Certified

Well I’m certain is gonna use their eggbrain to make it as a prov/asset

[crimson berry]

FOCUS THE VEHICLES ON BTB. It's NOT that hard. We got stomped cuz no one was dealing with them hovering over spawn.

I genuinely am getting tired of all MPs cuz of people like this or SBMM/EOMMs just not balancing properly. :/

[crystal iron]

I’m sick of getting put with the absolute worst players lol

[real pagoda]

Give it a gun.

Or two

[crimson berry]

Yep, I'm like this side of just quitting.

I get put into another high ping BTB match I'm just quitting for the night. :/

[civic sundial]

It's the designers using humanity's love to put gold on important things to tell us simply the area is important

[civic sundial]

Here's the thing, you can see the inner workings of the Halo 3 door. The glass on it is just not as clean

[thorn raven]

this is why i play CE on anniversary. i can't tell what doors open and what dont otherwise

[warped yew]

What??

There's obnoxious green or red lights besides those doors in classic graphics

[zealous panther]

No more lights

[edgy forum]

No lights, no music

[grave ether]

There are four lights

[coarse dagger]

Watched that episode a few days ago 😄

[tranquil otter]

yo why does my halo look like this in the tutorial for academy

cant even send a photo

but its cursed with horrible graphics even tho its all on ultra

[edgy forum]

Nooooo I was referencing a System of a Down song!

[valid anchor]

Just Anger!

Killed Everyone

fire song

[stoic canopy]

Infinite

I'm begging

Stop putting me vs. Stacks

You're not even trying at this point when you take like 20 seconds to put me into a match

I'd rather spend 2 minutes in MM and get a decent match without Stacks than spend 20 seconds in MM and then spend 10 minutes getting farmed so the other team can stat pad

[crimson berry]

Swear to god. FOCUS THE VEHICLES ON BTB.

Not hard to do, we wont lose so bad if people would work towards them, especially if the enemy team has nearly all of them.

[white birch]

If only gaming was taken more seriously...

[ruby knoll]

but then it's being "sweaty"

[craggy sand]

Leave it where it lay and the look out for the little ones is absolute hell

(The achievements) I’ve been trying this for actually hours

Anyone got advice on the canyon B room? I’ve try the skulls grunt funeral, boom, catch, bandana and even acrophobia

[olive yarrow]

My strat was to just to have acrophoiba amd bandana and to not even bother fighting the enemies if there was a grunt anywhere in the room and just book it through all the enemies via flying on the ground (if I flew through the sky I could skip loading triggers and break the mission).

[craggy sand]

See I’ve tried that but in the room with all those elites and grunts right before the flood appearance I keep dying they keep blocking the hallway and there’s no checkpoint I don’t know maybe I’m just brain dead to this

[olive yarrow]

That's the worst part, to be sure.

I'll be blunt, if you do this solo (I did it solo as well), be prepared to die alot and to throw your head against the wall trying to not be shot to death.

It has a 0.7% completion rate on Steam for a reason.

[craggy sand]

Yeah my plan was to use my brothers Xbox and just kill all the enemies but his membership went out so I have to do it solo

That’s true I’m trying to 100% CE at the moment one level at a time and my god

[olive yarrow]

I'm doing that as well before moving on to Halo 2.

[craggy sand]

Yep imma do them in release order then imma do the playlists and lasos

Ain’t no way in hell I can do laso solo at my skill level right now tho

[meager dome]

I wish the people still using VC in casual lobbies in infinite where not the sort of people that reminds everyone why VC is somewhat annoying.

like the people using VC are not usually helpful or friendly in game, their the ones who have just the right mic sensitivity that you can hear their AC humm coming through half the match, and the only time you hear their voice its to grunt or curse frustratedly after they died.

these are very different games, but i hope the success of lethal company, (which lives and dies around its proximity chat) and helldivers 2 (which is a very social and coordination based game), and MW2 (which brought back proximity chat and death chat to a mainstream deathmatch shooter) encourage more social features in the next halo game and make VC a more engaging experience.

i played seige around year 5/6 and while i did come across some annoying folks who soured my afternoon, i met many more positive and supportive teammates using vc to coordinate and compliment other players.

[clever nimbus]

Idk what'd you except some people can't help with their mics and it depends on what they're mood is

People are going to rage no matter what halo it is in multiplayer that's also including the master chief collection you can't really except more

[meager dome]

you can always mute yourself if you dont plan on making conversation anyway and just want to vent while playing.

[clever nimbus]

But here the thing is if I'm going to be in VC Idc if they're quiet or whatever if I don't want to make a conversation with that person then I don't have to

[meager dome]

its not that im looking for conversation and that person isnt reciprocating that, its that im trying to play the game and their audio is constantly cutting in and making it harder to hear.

[clever nimbus]

Ok but you can like mute then if others ain't having that problem and they're fine with what's going on with that person's audio then it's fine

[meager dome]

ok fair.

[clever nimbus]

I've had my mic open everytime on the master chief collection and I have not heard a single person complained about my audio or whatever

So like I get where what you're saying but at the same time it's really not a big deal because most of these guys can't really help with the audio they have

[meager dome]

its a minor gripe

and more the issue isnt that these sorta people are out there, but more that their the only ones i see using mic's, no one is trying to be social, give compliemts or callouts, strike out a conversation, ect.

[clever nimbus]

I mean it's halo if it was like apex destiny 2 overwatch or whatever then yea sure

There's really nothing to call out unless we're talking about Rank in infinite or BTB with amounts of people in a VC

[runic lion]

Anyone down for halo 2, legendary, pc, I’m on Asia server

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[jade pebble]

has anyone noticed if the sandwich in the new firefight map does anything?

[civic sundial]

I'd assume it's as good as the golden sandwich in Infection

[jade pebble]

I have no idea what that is either lmao

didnt know they actually used it somewhere

[sturdy kernel]

Nothing

It's like an uncharged energy sword

[edgy forum]

I haven’t used a VC in here because I’ve been busy hopping on other servers, but I appreciate this “grandma” I glimpse here every now and then. Must be a sweet person to play Halo with. :)

[keen silo]

They’re also super good at halo. I was playing against them one night and it was a total wash out. Like 30-50 on snipers

[plush bridge]

🤔

[edgy forum]

Eyyyy very nice

[tulip tusk]

i think the vc players often dont realize their mic is on theyre just playing

its kind of funny hearing random stuff like crying baby or arguments in backround

[lilac kettle]

[sturdy kernel]

Or music turned on all volume

[keen silo]

Lol that’s why I just mute everyone all the time. I’d rather not hear your dogs bark at the Amazon delivery guy dropping off a box

[clever nimbus]

I like having my mic on

[edgy forum]

Bring back the Kinect

[civic sundial]

So long as that means we get the codex feature CEA had in its 360 release again

Let me yell analyse at the screen and scan things

[keen silo]

F in the chat for the Xbox Kinect

[zealous panther]

And room is silent...

[serene badger]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-porter-tea-gif-22730399

[crystal iron]

So anything new with halo these days, like is halo infinite still worth playing or is it in the end of its life cycle type thing.

[civic sundial]

HCS is coming up, so I imagine that's likely where we will hear some news if there is any

[coarse dagger]

Halo Infinite's days aren't done yet :)

[edgy forum]

Not until I get my Mark VI GEN1 armor core

[warped yew]

How is Halo Infinite doing though in it's playerbase population?

Like rn

[edgy forum]

Idk, I’m not a math nerd like everybody is

I just play the game and watch YouTube

[plush bridge]

Still find matches

[warped yew]

Tbf, I just remembered steam charts

[edgy forum]

That’s the logical fallacy method everyone uses. It should be considered a logical fallacy of its own.

[warped yew]

Ok is Halo Infinite like in top played Multiplayers rn?

I'm asking cuz I actually didn't check steam charts

[celest heron]

ugh, the side hill by the loot cave on fragmentation in gruntpocalypse is probly one of the worst in the game on later hills when you don't have marines. just constant waves of shielded grunts in that small area.

[edgy forum]

Not on first page but probably the next pages or so, idk any good sources

[warped yew]

Damn

[edgy forum]

I wouldn’t be too worried about if it’s gonna be top 10. That’s just how games are these days with player retentions and no game is gonna hold 40000000 players for six months.

[limpid lance]

Saw on Microsoft’s job page and LinkedIn that they have yet to hire a creative director, lead gameplay designer, and some other key roles

We prolly aren’t seeing anything of the next main 343 game for a LONG time ☹️

[edgy forum]

That’s typically how game development has been for the past decade. It’s getting longer and expensive. Must get used to exploring or playing other games, however, do not forget the mainline entry.

I could go back and get all LASO achievements on MCC or SR-152 on Halo 5 but I would need self-motivation lol

[warped yew]

:<

I'll be playing Halo mods in the meantime lol

[edgy forum]

I’ve burnt myself out on all the mods on MCC this summer, worth it.

[warped yew]

Yall should check out Halo 2 Rebalanced

[limpid lance]

Space Marine 2 looks excellent

[warped yew]

I'd say this year of gaming has been pretty good. It's not good but still

[edgy forum]

Again, I advice you guys not to worry or stress like I do. It’s something you can’t control or maybe. Maybe you can apply with luck to be the next creative director. That would be cool!

[warped yew]

Idk I heard this from a reddit post

Yall think most games play it too safe nowadays? Like how there's pretty much a huge variety of FPS

And not enough other types of games?

[edgy forum]

Reddits

Yikes

And probably yeah because most games don’t want to risk it with financial or management business for the shareholders, this is all assumption and how my monkey brain interprets the gaming industry. Right now I agree that the RTS genre needs to make a comeback.

Like get more Halo Wars 3, Age, or somehow C&C

[warped yew]

I feel like the super realistic graphics also rly put a toll on development

Lot lot of money spent there

[edgy forum]

Could be a factor, it’s all about the graphics now and the technology they used like motion caption, facial recognition, etc.

[warped yew]

Probably

[limpid lance]

I think we may see something of what Certain Affinity’s been working on at next year’s Xbox showcase (assuming it wasn’t cancelled)

[warped yew]

Ooh whats it gonna be

This is hypothetical btw, I'm not expecting a definitive answer

[edgy forum]

I didn’t know Certain Affinity was working on a project

[limpid lance]

It’s uncertain, but some suspect it went from a mode or set of modes for Infinite, to becoming its own game

[warped yew]

Alr

What if it that's Battle Royale that's been rumored for a long time?

[edgy forum]

I dooooont knooooooowwww

[limpid lance]

I’m guessing they’re working on some mp title that’ll be sorts like the “What Infinite was meant to be”

[warped yew]

I hope so

[limpid lance]

And made in Unreal Engine 5

[warped yew]

Actually idk. Infinite is kinda what it should've been now

[edgy forum]

Right now I’m excited for what 343 has to announce on October 4

Only two weeks away

[warped yew]

Won't it just be another operation

With a majority of the good stuff being in the store

[edgy forum]

Nah it’s probably future road or plans on what’s to come so I know what I can be looking forward to

[warped yew]

Probably?

So what gave away this time, it was gonna be different?

Pls tell me, you made me very hopeful

[edgy forum]

Well call me crazy but November is Halo 2’s 20th birthday so Mark VI GEN1 (Chief’s armor in Halo 2/3) is a possibility alongside maybe an ODST armor coating. Then perhaps something for PVE/PVP maps like Halo 2 maps which I absolutely adore. Shop stuff I could care less because I don’t need anything other than my Mark V CE and MARK VI GEN1 armor.

[crimson berry]

I hate getting teams where the bottom 2 are negative players and I can drop 19-20 kills and still lose cuz of them. :/

[warped yew]

Still having that problem eh?

[crimson berry]

Majorly.

[warped yew]

It is what it is

[crimson berry]

Not for me. Best game I've had all week and it's a loss cuz of them. :/

[limpid lance]

You think 343's gonna announce any novels during the HCS event?

[crimson berry]

Probably not.

[limpid lance]

That'll be a bummer

[crimson berry]

I honestly don't think I can care if we get novels at this point.

[limpid lance]

It seems the only piece of Halo lore coming in the near future is Empty Throne, which looks intriguing

But aside from that, it seems the whole franchise is on hold for the time being

[crimson berry]

I give up with this freaking game.

[tall orchid]

Why?

[crimson berry]

Tired of getting 70-100 ping lobbies anymore, getting tired of also having to deal with matches where we have a clear lead and then the bottom two players just stop playing.

It's becoming less and less fun.

[tall orchid]

Yea that can be frustrating. Have you tried taking a break for a bit

[crimson berry]

Play 1-2 hours per day.

[livid fable]

Still waiting on firefight

what is going on with sprint speed

[shadow turret]

Unless you mean classic FF, we've had Firefight in Infinite for ages now

[warped yew]

??

[olive yarrow]

I'm going through the Halo CE playlists right now, and Control Room feels very off without anyone bar the Master Chief.

[limpid lance]

You hope we ever get to play as another character, or want future games to strictly stick with Chief?

[vivid marsh]

Need more ODST games. ODST is my favorite campaign by far and there is so much more they could do with the more down-to-earth humans. Would especially love a marines vs flood horror-esque game

[limpid lance]

Would love an ODST game that's like the We Are ODST trailer

https://tenor.com/view/halo-odst-drop-unsc-orbital-gif-26464117

[edgy forum]

Yeah spin-off games definitely sound like a good idea to give other people besides Chief more spotlight

Jerome can pass down the torch after Chief someday

[tall orchid]

I want a full game where you play as Frederic

[zealous panther]

I want a... game

[brave pier]

Which halo book should I get I’m in Barnes & noble

[alpine fulcrum]

the flood

i think thats what its called

[tulip tusk]

I remember first strike being good

[edgy forum]

I start with the books chronological order of the HC-War with Contact Harvest and then so on

[rugged quartz]

Where do you read forerunner saga?

[edgy forum]

Uhhhhhhhhhh idk, I’m not particularly interested in Forerunner lore to be honest.

[tulip tusk]

dang forerunner saga is prob the best part, it's more like the sci fi novels of old. almost a diff genre than other halo books i think

[rugged quartz]

I enjoy

[edgy forum]

I just learned that they don’t “die”, they just transfer from one soul to another. There’s probably more to it than my human brain can ever comprehend.

[edgy forum]

Can 343 add Moo Deng in the next Halo game?

This baby Hippo must be protected at all costs

[keen silo]

“Master chief, mind telling me what you’re doing in that zoo?”

“Sir. Petting the baby hippo”

[jade pebble]

they really need to fix this EAC thing. cant play 5 games in a row without getting it

[willow plank]

Hi! I want to play Halo: Reach with a friend but I've heard from other people that the online co-op to play the campaign is broken or you basically can't play, is this true?

[celest heron]

it doesn't have crossplay for reach, but you can play it if you're both on the same systems.

[analog salmon]

yeah dont think i've had any issues playing reach co-op

[bold ruin]

Imagine being a grunt and seeing Master Chief in a Scorpion

At that point you just stop trying

[sturdy kernel]

He could try
Grunt using the last attack with two plasma grenades

[crimson berry]

Yep think after this season I'm pretty much done.

[unborn stirrup]

i really wish there was a game that took place around the timeline of halo wars events, where you play as a spartan in an open world first person RPG going around doing quests taking out covenant bases, similar to infinite campaign
i love the infinite campaign so much and wish there was expansion for it!

[fringe briar]

rewatching discover hope to feel the joy and hype of the anticipation of halo's future when that trailer first came out makes me feel like i have unresolved childhood trauma. the non stop dreaming, restless nights waiting for this game to come out and pondering what greatness will it hold. We thought we were going home, only to find out years later we didnt go home at all. And here I am watching it once per year, living in my delusions off the joy of the first reveal hoping halo would return. As commonly said, everything up to release is like watching your wedding video after your divorce.

[fringe briar]

that trailer has comments from 5 years ago.. its really been 5 years. 5 long years

[edgy forum]

I’ve had good memories and moments with Halo 5 in 2015 and 2017

[vivid marsh]

After what has happened to all the major titles/developers of my childhood, I simply lack the ability to get excited about new games before they've been released and reviewed.

[wheat saddle]

Its now a lucrative business. Not to mention how devs basically get worked like slaves

It's extremely unethical imho

[edgy forum]

Well try not to linger too long to the past or over how you perceive games these days, not good for the human brain. For instance I for one am eager for Christmas so I can get Space Marines 2 and try to get into Warhammer.

[civic sundial]

Define "what happened"

[vivid marsh]

Series have gone in directions I dislike, lost support, or been cancelled. Studios have disbanded or gone under, or been eaten up by larger companies that don't do them justice.

It's not all bad. Some of those developers have gone on to new things, and I've developed new interests over time. Some amount of nostalgia probably plays into it too. Either way, I just don't find myself getting really excited by a new game being announced or leaked very often any more.

[tall orchid]

Pandemic Studios 😫

[edgy forum]

True, Pandemic was a studio of their time

[tulip sail]

y/n, playable grunts?

[lusty wraith]

As much as I dislike melodrama, this really captures my feelings on Infinite so well 🥲

[civic sundial]

The core system works the way it does because each armour core has the same skeleton (Used to animate them). An Elite's skeleton is different from a Spartan's. If we were to get an Elite core, nothing from the Spartan armour cores we have in game would be cross core with the Elite (And vice versa). Elites would likely be given their own separate set of cores for customisation if they were to bring playable Elites to the game

[ruby knoll]

ah yes the games industry only just now became a business and totally wasn't always this way so true

[smoky wave]

That's has always been the case basically lol

[ruby knoll]

they wouldve had microtransactions in games if it was feasible!

literally the 'insert coin to continue' era

[tulip tusk]

i do wonder how it has changed bc gaming used to be very niche even nerds were now it's totally diff

[ruby knoll]

mobile games tbh

massive potential customer base, basically guaranteed network connectivity, etc

[smoky wave]

And about the devs working like slaves, those were always been the case too, you can just check any old dev studio crunching to death

The gaming industry (and technology as a whole) was always been like this

[magic night]

It's actually become better in recent years for the devs compared to years past.

[warped yew]

Uhm yeah lol

That's kinda how it's always been for elites

[devout path]

Are dlc campaigns ever happening

[jade pebble]

Other than maybe shoulders and knees (if those ever became cross core)

They are most likely just placed on the spartans with a point so its easy to move them onto a new base

[civic sundial]

If looking at how things are done in the older games is anything to go by, it's not done the way you described in Infinite

[tulip tusk]

i estimate a 0.0000000000000000000001% chance

[celest heron]

probly just making a new game at this point instead of dlc.

[civic sundial]

Aye, as much as I would've loved Infinite to have gotten DLC campaign, it's clearly not happening

[crystal iron]

Infinite was a bit of a bomb imo, it had some promising elements but still fell way short

I didn't realise they cancelled any DLC, it was meant to be a platform for 10 years of further addons originally

[celest heron]

it hasn't been confirmed that dlc was cancelled, but just speculating from no news.

[crystal iron]

Personally, I did not like the new direction of quasi open world. I would have preferred a tight campaign like the older titles

I wonder if they will go back to that

[warped yew]

I hope so

[civic sundial]

I imagine they will, not necessarily based on fan feedback, but it is a safer bet than something open world (Which I think are being overdone at this point anyway)

[tulip tusk]

ye i feel like a level or two being openish is cool enough

[ruby knoll]

i hope they don't overcorrect and abandon what worked and what could be refined

[warped yew]

"Open world" missions are just the way to go. They save so much time and money because the maps don't even have to be as big as the scope of Infinite's world

Like seriously the Covenant and the Ark are some of the most greatest Halo missions

You had 2 scorpions backing you up if you rode the other scorpion, that's so peak

[civic sundial]

Honestly, I think they should keep the mechanics, equipment, weapons and vehicles that Infinite brought, and just build upon what the game gave us instead of throwing all that out to build from scratch

[civic sundial]

I think the Sanghelios missions of Halo 5 is a good example to look at too, especially the first one. There were plenty of options for traversal in those levels and multiple methods for completing certain objectives

[warped yew]

Scarab and a whole bunch of Banished Vehicles should come to the next game

[warped yew]

Yeah

[ruby knoll]

i am so tired of hearing about the scarab like it's peak gameplay design

[warped yew]

Ok. I didn't say that lol

[ruby knoll]

the mining site in Infinite was effectively a stationary scarab

[warped yew]

Ok

I just like the concept of a moving fortress that you have to take down

[ruby knoll]

it'd be cool to get that then, instead of a fairly open walker

[warped yew]

Second point, I just think it would be a nice way to shake up bosses

[civic sundial]

I would not be surprised if we got a Banished Scarab in the next game, but I've already taken down multiple Scarabs so it's not exactly something I am desperately asking for

[ruby knoll]

by getting a rehash of what we got in h3 5 times?

[warped yew]

Yeah but not without added stuff

[civic sundial]

A Banished Lich though, that I would like to see in the next Halo

[ruby knoll]

or a retriever sentinel

or perhaps a Kraken or Harvester

[warped yew]

More emphasis on sentinels. I thought Enforcers were pretty cool, they have a unique way to actually take down vehicles

[warped yew]

They were really set pieces so if they come back in some form, I hope they become full fleshed out enemies

[ruby knoll]

would be cool to see the organic design language of the H5 covenant again, especially contrasting with the harder lines of the banished

[warped yew]

Well you have to have a reason for the style to be there.

Like what faction would have that

Idk I just hope 343 makes the Banished actually look like the Banished from HW2 instead of just being another covenant dude

[ruby knoll]

surplus materiel from other splinter groups

[warped yew]

From the storm covenant? Idk they should stay gone

The covenant just needs to be gone. I'm not saying that out of hate, but we already ended the storm covenant at Sunaion

And like

With the Endless and the Banished, and Offensive Bias meaning more Forerunner influence. Having a storm covenant influence wouldn't do much

[bright vessel]

What would have happened at the beginning of Halo 2 if the UNSC had not had a Mark VI suit ready for John?

[analog salmon]

he would have worn the Mark V suit?

[bright vessel]

The armorer tells you

"The plating was about to fail. There's viscosity throughout the gel layer. Optics? Totally fried. And let's not even talk about the power supply."

Would the Master Chief have worn an armor suit that was essentially failing?

[analog salmon]

better then nothing ig

maybe they would send him off somewhere to find a better suit and the station would have been a gonner

and without Johnson humanity would have lost the war

damn now I think about it that suit being on that station was paramount

[tulip tusk]

scarab in multi p

they are cool on hugegrass

and its halo 3 so anything exploding is cool

[bright vessel]

I could see them putting him in ODST gear and reminding him to be more careful, but I don't know if that would be good enough

[civic sundial]

If the Swords of Sanghelios got the coordinates for Zeta Halo that were sent out in Rubicon Protocol, that'd be a good way to reintroduce those designs

[bright vessel]

I couldn't see him surviving to Halo 3, even if he makes it all the way through High Charity

[tulip tusk]

have u guys played Space Marine 2 campaign? a lot of parts reminded me of Halo 3 cpaign and the bosses reminded me of some elements Infinite bosses couldve had

the new wh40k game

[civic sundial]

ODST armour isn't good for falls from space without a drop pod like Mjolnir is shown to be in Halo 3 and 4

[bright vessel]

Exactly. I believe John could make it to the Anodyne Spirit, but then he's screwed.

If a regular marine made it most of the way through the Library, John could make it through High Charity

In reality, though, they would probably pull Fred, Linda, or Will, and John wouldn't end up on the In Amber Clad

Maybe

[crystal iron]

that made me laugh out loud lol

ODST would be burnt to atoms on reentry

[tulip tusk]

😆

[crystal iron]

"Err Captain Foolhardy sir, the name isn't literal... they have drop pods

just drops a platoon of ODST's out the airlock, "Don't worry, reinforcements are on the way!. Jolly good job"

[bright vessel]

It is vacuum-rated though, right?

[crystal iron]

I don't think that means it's 12,000 kelvin plasma burn proof

[bright vessel]

Oh absolutely not

[crystal iron]

lol

Even the Chief surviving reentry is sus, you'd think his insides would be soup

even if his armour and bones stood up to it

[bright vessel]

The gel layer could've taken most of the impact

[crystal iron]

hahaha

They should slather the UNSC ships in gel

[bright vessel]

How do you think they deal with inertia?

It's a gel layer

[tulip tusk]

magic gel

[crystal iron]

My mistake, understood 😉

[tulip tusk]

petroleum jelly layer

[bright vessel]

That's how Linda, Kelly, and Sarah Palmer get in the suit

[crystal iron]

lmao

[full warren]

same old same old come back for a few games 8 games won 1...

[crystal iron]

Jorge definitely needed lubrication to get in his armour

[full warren]

This amtch making is such a joke

[bright vessel]

Ah so that's how Jorge survived the Slipspace bomb

He was lubricated

[crystal iron]

You know back in the console days I was good at MP, now it's all veterans and I just about scrape positive most games. It's crazy hard

reminds me of the times I tried counter strike

[full warren]

This is not really everyone being veterans is I always have that 1 guy going -10KDA lol Like just give me a average player and the same would be more even, some slayers its like 35/50 with one guy on the team going -13KDA so if he jsut even 0 it would be a close match

[crystal iron]

you're probably quite experienced too, Halo is niche in competitive so it tends to be long term players.

I feel sorry for newbies

best bet would be to try and form up a squad you can go online with

[wheat saddle]

nah i get that but its quite sad to see the way people are treated

[edgy forum]

True, game developers are human as well

Hard to work with a project that crunches a lot of hours

[wheat saddle]

indeed and they work day in day out. I know a friend who works in cyber are constantly asked for deliverables out of work hours and stay up late hours just to get things maintained and scalable

[edgy forum]

I still remember that Tim Cain presentation how he and his team stayed at the offices & ate pizza during Fallout’s production

[crystal iron]

we have to call out the awful devs though and companies. Gaming has been spiralling the drain the past few years

[wheat saddle]

yes its quite a demanding field imho.

[edgy forum]

Well accountability needs to be a thing taken seriously

[wheat saddle]

the devs arent the problem lol. The devs know how to code and make functional programs especially with generative AI reducing time on the keyboard.

[edgy forum]

People would rather not take accountability and save their hides than take accountability and face the repercussions

[bright vessel]

There is absolutely nothing good that generative AI can contribute to video games

[crystal iron]

II have seen devs blaming the customers for their awful products, backing garbage to the hilt

[wheat saddle]

r u a programmer to speak on that?

[bright vessel]

I have a degree in computer science, actually

[wheat saddle]

true hey but at the end of the day

[crystal iron]

even a layman can see AI is decades away from functional replacement of human designers for complex creations

[bright vessel]

That's not what project managers and MBAs think

[wheat saddle]

a degree and being able to code are two different things lol. Gen AI gets most of the planning out of the way real quick. Its not like the people using AI doesnt know how to code and not understand the concepts of OOP, for instance

[crystal iron]

well, the massive corporate greed of gaming is one of the facets of how it's gotten worse in many ways over the years for sure

[wheat saddle]

never would imho. AI will never be on the same level as humans. They lack the creative aspect of their intelligence. They are complex sure, but they can never replicate a human brain's creativity. It will take a very long time. Another reason is AI currently uses existing data to make their own outputs. There are only so many combinations and permutations of that set of data

[crystal iron]

Probably true, though I am a layman so I will defer to you and others of more knowledge on that ^^

[bright vessel]

You know that, and I know that, but every suit and shareholder scrambling for AI products can only see the dollar signs

And ever suit looking to reduce labor costs

[wheat saddle]

true then there will be more businesses failing lol. Check out organoid intelligence. Thats the scary one to be looking out for

[wheat saddle]

trust me only mundane labour is going to replace those jobs. Lets say admin work. That will be replcaed by AI

[crystal iron]

Which should happen

automation of menial work would be a huge leap forwards for humanity

[bright vessel]

I think you underestimate the lengths at which the managerial class will go to save their own hides

[wheat saddle]

it depends on what field. If u put AI in med, you are bound to get issues.

[crystal iron]

hmm

that's an interesting one as many deaths are caused through medical negligence due to human error

[wheat saddle]

i would say its both good and bad. Bad for the general public and good for managers and higher positions

[bright vessel]

AI actually has a lot of potential in med to discover new drugs and materials

[crystal iron]

not identifying signs

[crystal iron]

good for the whole public if the resources saved are distributed correctly

[bright vessel]

LLMs can probably identify beneficial medical compounds a lot faster than we can

[wheat saddle]

incorrect surgeries always have risk. It depends on the stage of the illness or the risk that is predisposed

[crystal iron]

if Fusion is cracked along with it, game changer

[crystal iron]

I was talking diagnostics

[wheat saddle]

but we all know that is never going to happen for one simple reason greed

[crystal iron]

that's where most issues are

[bright vessel]

I know a lot of nurses and most deaths not from natural causes in med at least in my part of the US are mainly caused by a horrid nurse/patient ratio

[wheat saddle]

i see well if in neurological illnesses 100% as down to the core, they are quite difficult to diagnose

[crystal iron]

I have worked in hospitals for nearly 15 years, seena lot of problems

[wheat saddle]

it could but then again, they need to go through rigorous ethics review and trials. That cannot be done by AI

[bright vessel]

Go on...

[wheat saddle]

tell me about it. It goes both ways. Nurse mistreatment and patient mistreatment.

[crystal iron]

just countless instances of people being sent home, only to die due to misdiagnosis to later find all the signs were there etc.

or simple medical errors

[coarse dagger]

Think it's time to shift back to Halo discussion again now, strayed quite a bit too far off topic

[crystal iron]

ofc

sorry about that

[wheat saddle]

oops lol but at least it was not uncivil haha

[bright vessel]

#general-chat

Oh wait

general chat is generally video game focused and follows the rules

[crystal iron]

haha there's no off topic, we were all talking about UNSC AI and forerunner constructs cough

[bright vessel]

Uh right

[wheat saddle]

yeah and how master chief racked so many kills. His KDA is literally 1 million

[crystal iron]

lol

[wheat saddle]

nods head

[crystal iron]

Do you think MC would be good at playing the halo games?

imagine the chief rage quitting

[wheat saddle]

dude would break the house

[bright vessel]

🤔How could a non-Smart AI (like Serena, not like Cortana) affect the quality of medical care in the UNSC-controlled human territories?

[crystal iron]

I actually read up on UNSC/human tech the other day and was astonished at how good they have it. It was depressing lol

[bright vessel]

Yeah they basically cured cancer

[crystal iron]

they cured everything

your house monitors your health every second of the day and people live to like 150 or something

[bright vessel]

Considering how mangled some of the Spartan II washouts were, they can't fix everything

[crystal iron]

that's true

probably genetic malfunctions are still really hard to reverse

I didn't realise Spartan II's had extended lifespans. Like the MC is expected to live to like 400+ apparently if he doesn't die

[bright vessel]

11% of subjects could face retinal rejection and detachment causing permanent blindness.

They can't fix retinal rejection

[crystal iron]

that's a bit crazy

when you look at what they can do, some omissions are mad

[bright vessel]

12% of subjects can contract Parkinson's Disease

And it sounds like Parkinson's hasn't been cured even in the 2500s

[wheat saddle]

they went through gene augmentations too didnt they

i think the same for spartan IIIs and IVs too

[crystal iron]

perhaps there is something specific about the augmentation induction of these diseases and affectations that affect the curability

[bright vessel]

If humanity hasn't cured Parkinson's Disease by 2525, then they probably haven't cured ALS either

[crystal iron]

as opposed to naturally occurring

[bright vessel]

maybe

[wheat saddle]

and every other neurodegenerative illness

[bright vessel]

What are the other ones. Multiple sclerosis?

[crystal iron]

I mean they can literally connect neural fibres individually to technology, they should be able to cure paralysis and blindness arbitrarily

[bright vessel]

That's what I would think too

And if they can flash clone organs like Halsey had to do to save Linda (or was it Kelly?), I don't see why they couldn't flash clone eyeballs

[crystal iron]

absolutely

right, head canon is it's the augmentation process anomaly

[bright vessel]

IIRC later in the books some of the washouts were rehabilitated

I feel like the ones with retinal detachment would have been the easiest

[wheat saddle]

Alzheimer's, Dementia, Huntington

[bright vessel]

Oh you made me sad

[crystal iron]

btw I forget, but is the Infinity definitely destroyed or is it left open?

I am wondering if in the next game it might return

[bright vessel]

Not that it's ever mentioned in the books, but I would imagine prion disease will be one of the hardest diseases to cure

I am not a medical expert though

I find it strange that hearing augmentations were never mentioned in any of the Spartan programs

[white birch]

They weren't needed. The armor does it for them.
Plus, their existing ears would be enough when combined with the rapid detail processing that their enhanced reactive times give

[wheat saddle]

wrong they still need them but are not as harmful and these were performed on adult humans

[crystal iron]

I forgot how cancerous the checkpoints can be in CE lol

It's like, I just killed 5 elites with no shield left and one health pip, can't a man catch a checkpoint? No?? OK I'll die to this damn jackal and have to try for the 4th time to get past this bit 😦

Jackals are the bane of my life in CE

[bold ruin]

I finished the Halo Infinite campaign with my friend today, the final bossfight was really anticlimactic

Kinda lame but whatever, we plan to get the next Halo game right when it comes out, even if it's a long time before it releases

[serene badger]

I agree.
I like Escharum as a character, but the the final fight was not a fun design. “Take down the shields multiple time, then he will chase you with a grav ham.”
The HVTs were more fun than the boss fights in my opinion.

[warped yew]

I think prefer the unique gimmicks of a boss like holodrones of the heretic leader's instead of bosses being bullet sponges

[summer yarrow]

Agreed, bullet sponges are only fun in SOME circumstances

[warped yew]

2. Literally some of these bosses have stupid unfair attacks. Literally Bassus will just suddenly jump a absurd distance to get you without no warning

Hunters are some of the most unfun bosses to fight because they became more boss like starting at Reach

Their dance is literally throw everything explosive and powerful at them instead of the dance of exploiting their melee to get their back

Literally some of these bosses are lame excuses. The grunt and jackal bosses are sad excuses, atleast give them something unique like a pattern of flanking you and trying to snipe you from afar or give the grunt some unique vehicle to drive

[civic sundial]

I think they were talking about the Harbinger fight, not Escharum

[magic loom]

Chieftain actually home in on you which is very out of place and odd. Shame too since Infinite Hammer Chieftains are my favourite version of them

[warped yew]

Damn. I wish they had telegraphed it better, like maybe they're roar in place and it gives you a better heads up

[magic loom]

AI does not feel very polished in this game but still ended up being really fun still

[magic loom]

Hunters as well are a massive flop and missed opportunity yet again, hate seeing the blue ones, felt like we were past them at this point

[warped yew]

Idk rly care for how they look, I'm talking about gameplay

For reasons I hate them in Reach, 4, 5, Infinite

[warped yew]

Right here

[magic loom]

Gameplay wise yeah they really were just bullet sponges in halo infinite and Halo 5

[warped yew]

Oops my bad

They became more defensive where the only good weapons where the explosives and power weapons against them. They gave less and less opportunities to exploit their melee and when they do melee, it's a undodgable melee unless you have the thruster

[magic loom]

I prefer Reach's version just because of how many options were reliable killing them. They had flaws but Id take them over Infinites version anyday

[warped yew]

Idk Infinite are just reused Hunter AI lol

Development was so bad that a core enemy almost got cut

[magic loom]

Only enemy I know got cut was a big creature that melee'd stuff, you can see it in those test rooms

[warped yew]

Yeah they were suppose to replace the hunters but that got scrapped, but they didn't have time to properly tune the hunters so they just gave them the 5 AI

[magic loom]

Damn

As for Hunters in the games they need to really start doing something with them

Im still waiting for them to add a feature that lets me tear their arm cannon off and use as a temporary weapon

And boarding Hunters too.

We used to have Golden Hunters remember that?

That was really cool. They should look at the Hunters and try to expand them, makes me wonder why thats almost never the case

[warped yew]

Yeah atleast we got some form of hunter ranks

But about that boarding thing, I think it ends up making them too easy cuz the moment you board them, it's a guaranteed win

Especially if you have the option to stick a grenade in there

[magic loom]

Thats were different ranks could fit in alongside fixes and adjustments to their AI

Firstly to even board a hunter you need to destroy its back armor

Lets make its back armor more a bit more durable, two or three frags to destroy its back armor fully

Two if its a plasma grenade

[warped yew]

Oh yeah sounds good

[magic loom]

Lastly to board a Hunter you need to actually perfectly dodge its forward melee. Its no longer a thing you easily do at anytime

Risk life for an easier kill

This plan is only for the Blue Hunters

[warped yew]

Aight

If a 343 dev sees this, the hunter melee should be an exploitative weakness like the Bungie Games

Ok bye I'm gonna go

[magic loom]

Cool it was fun talking

[runic lion]

Anyone down for halo 2, legendary, pc, I’m on Asia server :3

[serene badger]

Ah yea, Harbinger, Escharum, both were "eh".
I feel you guys bullet sponges are not exactly not fun.
And yes, the jackal bosses were a dud. A unique pattern of flanking or something unique would've been nice.

Dancing with hunters never gets old for me. And hopefully they bring it back for the next game.
For infinite it feels like "just shoot them in the knees until they fall."

Speaking in hunters, I feel like they should have reworked the repulsor. It should go by mass, as I shouldn't be able to repulse a hunter off a cliff. It should repel me backwards if anything.

[magic loom]

I found it very odd how Hunters could easily be pushed by something like that

[warped yew]

I'm back now, but yeah. Would've had some good highlight moments if the repulsor was in the campaign. Like i just repulse an entire warthog at a squad of enemies or I could repel back a grenade or hunter blast

[tulip tusk]

what about Chak Lok anime leap

one cool thing is WH40k Space Marine 2 has boss battles where the boss sends out an AOE attack that allows a player to dodge and avoid or get hit. thats what i was thinking a halo boss couldve had!

[warped yew]

I don't know but I remember that Chak lok's, Jega's, and Adjutant's fights being very fun for me

[tulip tusk]

oh yea im not bashing chak lok i just laugh everytime he does the leap its so funny

[warped yew]

Oh I remember now, most of his attacks are actually dodagble once you get down his dance

And Jega's is even better cuz he actually avoids your threat sensor

[onyx latch]

You can still do that, it's just way harder.

[warped yew]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

[onyx latch]

Harder=/=No longer exists

[crystal iron]

I thought they made Hunters almost impossible to get behind in infinite, drove me berserk

[warped yew]

They are

[onyx latch]

Bungie spent like a decade trying to make Hunters actually a pain to fight in melee and people seem mad 343 succeeded

I'll never not find that funny

[warped yew]

Hey I don't like Reach hunters either dude

Actually Reach weren't that bad, they were still not that hard to get behind

[onyx latch]

Reach hunter melee is honestly my favorite incarnation of Hunters in melee, so

[crystal iron]

Usually in reach there's a member of Noble or some marines to distract them

[warped yew]

Yeah but with Infinite, it's the hunter AI that was meant for a squad of 4

[crystal iron]

But yeah, the lightspeed 180 slam got me a few times

[onyx latch]

Like, Reach style melee timing with the offensive attacks of 5 Hunters, maybe with the extra boon of the bonded twin acting more like the 5/Infinite Hunters in melee, would be absolutely perf

Like, they're both alive, it's easier to melee kill one, but when the other one goes berserk it's nearly impossible.

[warped yew]

Pls bring back their expoitable melee which you can use to deal huge amounts of damage

[onyx latch]

Meh.

[warped yew]

Sounds unfun. Probably because Infinite has made me frustrated

[onyx latch]

Honestly, I think the most insufferable enemy in terms of 'dance' is Halo 3 drones.

Because... There is no 'dance', just getting shot from random angles constantly.

[warped yew]

The drones work better as support units

[onyx latch]

I have pissed-off nightmares about Data Hive on LASO to this day.

[warped yew]

The dance with them is usually good positioning and not letting yourself get swarmed easily

[crystal iron]

I literally cheezed every hunter in infinite, had to use the worst tactics imaginable. Usually hide in a corner and pop out taking 10 minutes to take one down

[onyx latch]

I remember not being able to get a good angle on one so I kept donking it in the head with a skewer, lmao

[warped yew]

Lol goes to show bad infinite hunters are lol

[onyx latch]

It happened enough for it to be comical because it'd just pop around the corner and 'doink'

[warped yew]

Ideal hunter dance is getting a hunter to expose its back while worrying about the hunter's cannon and other troops around

[onyx latch]

Eh, I like it. Needs to be harder, even.

[crystal iron]

Yeah, I thought CE they were fun to fight

[warped yew]

Just make the health bigger than

[onyx latch]

That is the single worst way you could ever balance a game.

It's why Fallout's difficulty is a joke

[warped yew]

Well Infinite probably had some of the most frustrating unfair hunters ever so idk how you make that harder

[onyx latch]

*Short of nerfing everything down

[onyx latch]

Bringing back their Halo 5 needler, for a start.

[warped yew]

They were so balanced they could be shown multiple times in a mission lol

[onyx latch]

Which was honestly the more threatening weapon anyways

Just so long as we never go back to the crap that was OT hunters.

[warped yew]

Should be easy to dodge considering the unfair elements. Their undodgable melee, their absurd spammy over damaging cannons, and them being rly defensive now never showing their back

[crystal iron]

You'd still get anxiety when they'd appear, but if you did everything right, it felt challenging but not unfair.

[warped yew]

That's what Halo is all about in terms of it's gameplay

Offering fair and fun challenges but don't make it absurdly hard and unfair

[crystal iron]

Yeah for sure, rewarding good gameplay and tactics not just artificial difficulty

[warped yew]

That's why hunters were balanced like that. They were hard but even more powerful when they had troops backing them up

[crystal iron]

They seemed more explosive resistant to then

Too*

[warped yew]

For CE? It usually took like 2 rockets I think

[civic sundial]

I didn't have to do that, even on my LASO playthrough

[warped yew]

Cap. What did you do, leave yourself in the open?

[crystal iron]

Ah, it's been a while. I feel like grenades never helped much but I may be wrong

[civic sundial]

Like yeah Infinite's Hunters are tanky but they're not the tankiest thing ever that I struggled with them

[crystal iron]

I'm on truth and reconciliation now so I'll find out ^^

[warped yew]

Cuz your suppose to spam rockets and other power weapons on them

Which is stupid because now every encounter has to give you a absurd amount of power weapons instead of putting you to be creative with your guns

[onyx latch]

I... Don't think that's accurate lmao

[warped yew]

You wanna use this plasma rifle? Too bad use this rocket launcher instead

[warped yew]

This is on God accurate of Infinite hunters

[onyx latch]

What actual sand-brained idiot is trying to use a plasma rifle against a Hunter?

[crystal iron]

Yeah i prefer to be the matador to get to the one weak spot, Infinite for me made that Nigh impossible and I've completed every Halo multiple times legendary

[warped yew]

It worked in Bungie Games

[onyx latch]

How is someone that incompetent at understanding the Bungie games that they thought that was a good idea lmao

[warped yew]

Like seriously, it's a cool concept of making them bosses, but not when the only reliable guns are power weapons

[warped yew]

Because gameplay purposes.

[onyx latch]

Honestly if you're trying to use plasma rifles on Hunters and can't hack it in a game where the Hunters can't be piecemealed with one of the single worst guns in the game, it sounds more like coping for a skill issue on your part.

[warped yew]

It's not just the plasma rifle, it's even gun that's not a power weapon

[onyx latch]

Like, yeah, I could take it down that way, eventually, but why the hell would I?

Got that sand on the brain

[warped yew]

Because multiple playthroughs

[onyx latch]

I have never been bored enough in my life to think that's a fun plan lmao

[ruby knoll]

tumbling around and smoothing it out

[onyx latch]

https://tenor.com/view/nfs-need-for-speed-nfs-carbon-need-for-speed-carbon-cutscene-gif-27586810

[ruby knoll]

why he spin

[crystal iron]

Oh cool we’re talking about hunters?

Omg, Infinite was some of the most stupid unfair encounters with them lol

Yep loĺ

I miss the Bungie Games when the only viable guns weren’t just power weapons

[onyx latch]

Honestly, complaining about not being able to take down a hunter with a plasma rifle tells me all I need to know about the situation, lmao. That's such a quiant take.

[ruby knoll]

lol
lmao even

[crystal iron]

What? That’s just bad game design

[onyx latch]

I mean, yeah, most Halo fans have bad takes on game design, such as thinking you should be able to take down a heavily armored boss with one of the worst guns in most Halo games.

Goes against visual coding and common sense.

[crystal iron]

The Plasma Rifle?

Wait are we talking about Infinite or other games

[onyx latch]

Hunters across the spectrum

[ruby knoll]

this is honestly a new one
wanting to take down a hunter with the plasma rifle

[crystal iron]

I mean you can in CE-Reach

[onyx latch]

You can do it in literally every Halo game.

It's just way harder once they started taking the kid gloves off the enemies circa Reach.

[crystal iron]

With Infinite it’s not fun cuz they never show their backs

[onyx latch]

Good? They're supposed to be hard?

[ruby knoll]

you can kill a hunter in 4, 5, and infinite with whatever but that doesn't mean it's optimal

[crystal iron]

There’s difference between a fair challenge and an actual unfair stupid challenge

Absolutely

[warped yew]

Omg thanks

[crystal iron]

343i completely unbalanced Hunter encounters

[onyx latch]

I don't think that 'not being able to kill a hunter with a plasma rifle' counts as anything but a stupid self-imposed challenge, lmao.

[crystal iron]

Made me rage like Halo never has

[onyx latch]

This reminds me of arguing with mechwarrior online fans.

In like, the worst way. Except mildly less annoying.

[crystal iron]

Alr

[tulip tusk]

halo 1 plasma rifle?

[crystal iron]

Well just stop if that’s annoying then

[onyx latch]

The sole exception about what I said, tbh

That and the Halo 5 BPR

[tulip tusk]

i like the halo 1 needler its a lot of fun

[ruby knoll]

infinite hunters are def harder but i mean
w/e

[warped yew]

I hope 343 brings back the crystal sounds back like CE and 3 had

[crystal iron]

Pure ASMR

[crystal iron]

All the CE weapons are uber powered and incredibly fun ^^ the assault rifle is a monster

Every halo gun in CE fell off after

Plasma Pistol was a good go to weapon and now the only usefulness in it is its charged version

[warped yew]

Shotgun was so good

[crystal iron]

My combo Covenant was a plasma rifle and assault. Unstoppable. But the needler was so viable too

It felt useless by Reach

The plasma I mean

You wanna talk useless, look no further then the P repeater

[edgy forum]

I have grown to appreciate the Bulldog because of the mods in CE, 2, or 3 that use the model and it’s a lot effective than the M90 one

[crystal iron]

My thoughts come Halo 3 "look how they massacred my boy"

[edgy forum]

Don’t get me wrong, I like the M90 Shotgun but the Bulldog for some reason also works against the Flood

[crystal iron]

The focus rifle was on god useless and for some reason, the concussion rifle is a monster in the hands of an elite but when you use it, it’s disappointing

[ruby knoll]

i love the faster fire rate

[edgy forum]

I want my SMGs

[ruby knoll]

and longer distance

[crystal iron]

Bull dog would’ve been so much better if it actually 1 spotted up close

[edgy forum]

I am an SMG enjoyer

[crystal iron]

Dual SMG's yesss

Like the CE shotgun

Bring dual wielding and playable elites back

[edgy forum]

Not sure how the Needler in Infinite classified as an “smg”

[ruby knoll]

i hate corner campers so no

[onyx latch]

Reminds me of how they had to make it so that the ODST pistol could make jackals flinch because its native damage was too low to induce a flinch.

[edgy forum]

Maybe it shoots fast and acts like one

[onyx latch]

So they have coding that forces it.

[crystal iron]

So build the map with a shotgun in mind. Make the layouts make for flanking those position

[crystal iron]

How good is the Cairo sequence when the Covenant breach the door, crouch behind the barrier with dual smgs and just let her rip

[ruby knoll]

that reminds me about the bit during one of the gameplay presentations where staten(?) unloads a whole clip

[onyx latch]

Halo Infinite already has two instakill close range melee options, don't know why it needs a third.

[crystal iron]

Because more I guess

[onyx latch]

More DAE nostalgia, got it

[crystal iron]

Sometimes more is less in the Halo Sandbox, because you could end up making some guns fully redundant because another gun does the exact same thing

[ruby knoll]

because apparently a weapon having a different look and name doesn't clue people in to it being different

[onyx latch]

I actually do want the old school Halo shotgun back because I like that sort of pump action, but like

People have some of the most vapid excuse arguments for how they want it reimplemented, and I'd be so much more okay with it if they were just honest, lmao

[crystal iron]

It’s all in the stats. The BR of halo 2 is literally the just the CE pistol but with a different model

[onyx latch]

It's always this pretentious "Oh it was part of the iconic gameplay loop of Halo, and its gameplay niche isn't matched by anything!"

[crystal iron]

That’s why the modders call those two guns the same thing or refer to them as the same gun

[onyx latch]

Like, dude, just say you want a damn tube-fed shotgun back, lmao

[ruby knoll]

the ironic gameplay sandbox that changed wildly for the first 3 games

[onyx latch]

I really hate faux pretentiousness. Hits the same angry button that hypocrisy does.

What dah slipstream gonna say

[ruby knoll]

pistol the leader goes down with boat

[civic sundial]

I don't mind there being overlap in weapon roles. Like, the approach Halo 4 took with things was close to being perfect, each faction has their loadout weapons, then there's the weapons which aren't power weapons but clearly too good to be loadout weapons (Like the Needler), then there's the power weapons. Just a shame spawning in with a boltshot or plasma pistol was basically a requirement in multiplayer due to the custom loadout system being used there

[crystal iron]

Is it an unpopular opinion to adore the ODST pistol? I did

Halo 4 sandbox yikes

[onyx latch]

Not really, I think it's pretty satisfying.

[ruby knoll]

h4 custom loadouts in mp was a miss honestly

[onyx latch]

It's just funny that it does such low damage they needed to force jackals to flinch when hit with it.

[onyx latch]

I will die on the hill of Halo 4 custom loadouts being bad because they didn't offer enough options.

[ruby knoll]

the options differed too much

instead of being sidegrade-y

[crystal iron]

I feel like they made some guns to weak as series progressed, to the point I'd feel gimped without a precision weapon in most encounters on legendary

[onyx latch]

I should be able to die as a tanky machine gunner Spartan and respawn as a stealthy but fragile sniper Spartan.

[civic sundial]

I honestly think loadouts work in Halo in PvE environments much better than PvE

[onyx latch]

PvP :>

[crystal iron]

It’s because every game besides CE and Infinite had a sandbox that was built around the precision weapons

[ruby knoll]

assuming the second pve is meant to be pvp i agree

[onyx latch]

... Infinite's literally balanced around a precision weapon.

[civic sundial]

That's been an issue since Halo 2. You were basically required to use a BR or Carbine

[crystal iron]

No?

[civic sundial]

Aye, I mistyped

[crystal iron]

CE you really could go nuts and use anything to a point

Such a game

[onyx latch]

It's literally openly documented that the BR is the focus of Halo Infinite's intended gameplay design because it's what comp begged for.

If the BR isn't a precision weapon I'll eat my pride flag.

[civic sundial]

While the AR is better in Infinite than previous outings, you are much better off using a BR in most situations

[ruby knoll]

the AR is def fairly viable tho

[civic sundial]

Won't eating that flag just give you a powerup?

[onyx latch]

It'll give me one extra gender choice to go with my genderfluid class type.

[civic sundial]

I see no downside there

[onyx latch]

It's like getting an extra preferred enemy with a 3.5e Ranger.

[crystal iron]

Idk it just feels in Infinite that a lot more guns are usable unlike my previous 5 play through being dominated by precision weapons

[ruby knoll]

just play pathfinder stinky

[crystal iron]

They do deserve props for that there was some welcome balancing

In PVP and PVE btw

[civic sundial]

Again, the AR is better, but the BR is still more useful

[onyx latch]

I mean that was the goal, it's just that it's still balanced primarily around the precision weapons.

Both are true; Precision weapons are the focus of balancing, but everything else is also intended to be more competitive.

[crystal iron]

Whatever the goal, I’m talking mainly about the majority playing PvP and PVE

I’m just saying a lot more guns are usable and even more so in the campaign

It’s to the point where the precision weapons are not gonna be your 1st pick a majority of the time

[tulip tusk]

i dont mind lots of guns in sandbox even if lots are similar to others but diff. like halo 5s was fun. some stuff is stylish too. like plasma repeater kinda sucks and is like AR but i like it bc it fits elite gamemodes

[civic sundial]

Either way, my big hope in the next game is that we see more weapons, whether that be new or returning. And then if we do get a major PvE mode akin to Firefight or Spartan Ops, a loadout system attached to that which allows us to customise the weapons we spawn in with. Like let me use a silenced BR in Spartan Ops. Or slap a red dot on an SMG

[onyx latch]

NGL, I really want a Halo game with like, the entire Halo sandbox. We're talking an Aliens Fireteam Elite level of weapons here.

[civic sundial]

My hot take is that the Storm Rifle is a better take on a Covenant assault rifle than the Plasma Repeater ever was

[crystal iron]

I hope they improve the writing more than anything

4/5/Infinite compared to the bungie games is just yeesh all round so far

[tulip tusk]

me too i like it

[crystal iron]

They'd do well to make the whole next game around Blue team, give the fans the Spartans they want to see

[onyx latch]

I mean even in canon I'm pretty sure it's outright just a better gun, with a different role than the 'plasma rifle'

[onyx latch]

I'd honestly be pissed if they did that.

Because not every fan wants to see MOAR DAH CHEEBF

[crystal iron]

That’s not a hot take lol, you can ask anybody and they will say the repeater is one of the worst guns in Halo history

[onyx latch]

And Blue Team's about as exciting as a pet rock.

[tulip tusk]

lol it sucked even tho it has a circle telling u where to shoot to lead shots

[onyx latch]

Only if you were playing as elites

It's one of the least talked about parts of playable elites in Reach tbh

[tulip tusk]

elite hacks

[civic sundial]

I was also talking about the visuals for it too

[crystal iron]

And the problem is that the PR already served the purpose of delivering consistent shield damage so like where would the gun even fit into a role

[crystal iron]

Oh then well I’m not sure if it’s a hot take then too. A lot of people actually like the designs of both

[onyx latch]

Yet another point for Halo needing a PvE loadout shooter, lmao

Lets you get all those nifty cool options

[crystal iron]

Actually a majority likes the visual design of the repeater more then the storm rifle

[crystal iron]

Why not just give you those options out there in the map?

[onyx latch]

People would suck broken glass through a straw rather than accept some parts of Reach just kinda had middling art direction when it came to guns.

[onyx latch]

Doesn't hit the same nor provide the same additional options to fluff out how some guns function outside of an arena setting.

[crystal iron]

Alr

[civic sundial]

I think there are some good designs that came from Reach (Banshee, Needle Rifle and Zealot armour for example) but I honestly think it tried to make UNSC stuff look a little too modern day

[onyx latch]

I brought up Aliens Fireteam Elite earlier because it's like, the gold standard on having a massive and inclusive sandbox of guns to showcase weapons from all eras of a franchise.

Doesn't get talked about enough tbh.

[crystal iron]

Does it have a multiplayer where you use the guns against players?

[onyx latch]

No. Because... It's why I said PvE loadout shooter?

Why does everything need PvP lmao

[crystal iron]

It was just a question lol

[tulip tusk]

has anyone seen how awesome the WH40K Space Marine 2's Thunderhammer is

if u do a charged heavy attack it sounds like a thunderclap

[crystal iron]

And two that’s because with Infinite, you have to balance the sandbox around players who will exploit any loopholes in the sandbox

[onyx latch]

Eh, I think Darktide handled it better.

Despite it being one of the worst Melee options in Darktide.

[tulip tusk]

WHAT

[onyx latch]

Honestly, SM2 dissappointed me, but then, it's hard to beat the feedback Darktide has.

[crystal iron]

On weapons it occurred to me the other day - where are the Spartan handguns, rifles, anti material rifles etc. You'd think they'd at least deploy with Spartan designed heavy weapons suited to their strength

In the shop lol

[onyx latch]

There's a few reasons that doesn't happen.

[crystal iron]

But Halo will never get a sandbox that big if it has a MP with the game

Cuz gotta balance around campaign enemies and players

[onyx latch]

One is that Spartans are a tiny fraction of the UNSC's actual military strength, so it's ultimately superfluous to give them specialized guns that couldn't, say, accept ammo from a normal UNSC ammo bin. It's one of the main reasons so many guns in the same militaries nowadays use standardized calibers, it simplifies logistics.

Even IVs barely number above 5K with generous estimates.

They also don't really need that sort of treatment; Normal guns work just fine, and the closest things to "Spartan specific" weapons that exist are seen in 343's Halos in the form of Hydras and Railguns.

[civic sundial]

The Splaser is also that but even then, we see the regular marine and army troops get deployed with it

[crystal iron]

The spartan laser. . . That gun is so dirty it’s not even funny

[civic sundial]

But yeah, it's just impractical to make a weapon specifically designed for an extremely small amount of people to use and be the only ones capable of using it

[crystal iron]

Imagine gettting a huge killstreak in a banshee or warthog just to get lasered by some dude across the map

[crystal iron]

Mjolnir armour costs as much as a cruiser

[onyx latch]

I think the canonically closest thing Spartans have ever gotten in terms of 'unique guns' is Linda's sniper and Jorge's machine gun, the former of which is still a normal sniper at heart and the latter of which is a personally upgraded weapon with only a few parts swapped out.

[crystal iron]

Surely a few spartan guns would be peanuts to fund

[civic sundial]

Armour is very different from weapons

[onyx latch]

Well, now it costs as much as a cruiser and a corvette IG.

[crystal iron]

Y’all think Spartans ever just casually break their weapons by gripping the handle too hard or reloading too hard

Yes lol

[onyx latch]

That said MJOLNIR doesn't cost nearly as much these days because capitalism.

[civic sundial]

Like, you're not likely gonna be stripping a super soldier of armour pieces, but if you're out of ammo, you're gonna want a weapon you can actually pick up and use

[crystal iron]

They tend to be behind enemy lines anyway, right?

[onyx latch]

For short jaunts, for the most part, which is another reason you don't want a super ace custom that can't use other ammo.

[crystal iron]

If they're not it's not as much of an issue. They can still deploy with other options. It's an odd thing now I've realised it

[onyx latch]

Spartans who don't wear things like Rakshasa are meant for short tactical excursions, not protracted campaigns.

[civic sundial]

Spartans? They were sent on all sorts of missions, only some were specifically on long term behind enemy lines missions

Namely Grey but even then, they're not a standard Spartan team

[onyx latch]

Linda's sniper rifle, as one of the aformentioned examples, uses custom-built ammo, but at the end of the day it's still a 14.5mm sniper that can fire regular sniper ammo.

[crystal iron]

At some point they're going to have to acquire on site regardless, unless they are in a massed war with battle lines and supply lines