halo-discussion

[ruby knoll]

i can tell i'm dealing with experts tonight

[topaz tulip]

if we are talking about 32bit floated pcm audio
tehn yes

[warped yew]

The fact that I can run Sonic unleashed and Original Halo CE on Xbox series X means it run older games that was meant for a different console

Nice

[ruby knoll]

and this is relevant how exactly?

[warped yew]

Because your saying infinite had to be made with both platforms in mind

[ruby knoll]

yes, it's running natively on both

[topaz tulip]

also i was talking about disk size usage

[warped yew]

There's not even a big difference

[ruby knoll]

which is equally as irrelevant as xbox games running on tbe xseries

[warped yew]

It's extremely relevant -<-

The consoles aren't even that different in terms of processing. Series X just runs stuff better and faster with better graphics

If you have to put your game on par to actually run on a older Gen console then the new generation console, it should just the run the game better than if it was just made to run on the new Gen console -_-

[topaz tulip]

infinite was never a xbox series s/x game
it was an xbox one game which enables enhanced capabilites when ran through a series s/x

[warped yew]

Literally me saying Sonic Unleashed can run on a Xbox Series X which it wasn't even made for Literally proves my point

[ruby knoll]

do you know what an emulator is

[warped yew]

I can make game designed solely for Xbox one and it will run even better on Xbox series X because the two consoles aren't even that different in terms of processing

[topaz tulip]

infinite does not run through an emulator

[warped yew]

Guess what I don't have emulators on my Xbox Series X

[ruby knoll]

they are vastly different. multi-generation microarch gap, far larger memory bandwidth on the XSS|X's APU, etc

[ruby knoll]

this is straight up untrue

[warped yew]

Explains why I can run Sonic Unleashed on a newer Gen console without emulators

[topaz tulip]

its a smart delivery game

[topaz tulip]

series s/x does not use an emulator to play xbox one games

[ruby knoll]

it's emulating the original xbox

[topaz tulip]

only the 360

[warped yew]

Let's just get this straight

[ruby knoll]

Most Xbox One games that also have an Xbox Series X/S version will automatically download the Xbox Series X/S version for the system via Microsoft's "Smart Delivery" program, without an additional purchase

[ruby knoll]

you don't know what you're talking about

now we've set things straight

[warped yew]

360

[topaz tulip]

you do not need an emulator to run x86 games on a x86 console
360 uses powerpc cpu so only that is needed to be emulated

[ruby knoll]

sonic unleashed us a 360 game? then it's even more definitely not being run natively

[topaz tulip]

both the series s/x and xbox one uses amd's x86 cpu

[topaz tulip]

corporate wordingthat 4k textures will be downloaded if series s/x is detected

[ruby knoll]

that's as useful as saying both my new desktop and my old school netbook use "amd's x86 cpu"

[warped yew]

If that's the case then Xbox series X will just emulate halo infinite

[white birch]

All I know is, my Series X came with a copy of the game. I booted it up day one, literally as soon as I got home

[warped yew]

How do we know halo infinite isnt actually an Xbox one game and it just gets emulated :))

[ruby knoll]

if you think a 360 game can run natively on an xbox one or xss|x, i have a bridge to sell you

[topaz tulip]

its a smart delivery game
just like microsoft offers 4k textures as a dlc on steam version

[ruby knoll]

the only thing smart delivery means is that it downloads the specific version for the given platform

feel free to diff the binaries though

[warped yew]

Very vague when it says it gets the best version for your platform

The best version could be a deluxe edition depending on what game u buy

[ruby knoll]

@white birch why do i do this to myself

[white birch]

Cause its late at night and theres little else to do?

I mean, does it matter how the game rolls out anyway? You play it, who cares about the specifics.

[warped yew]

I care when the game has actual content

That was my initial complaint lol

Omg if Halo infinite wasn't free to play but I had to pay Xbox live to play 4 gamemodes for the first month

😤

Let's just hope the next games comes out in a nice stable state

[karmic laurel]

Just finished Halo 2 and my god what a game

Can’t wait to start Halo 3 soon

[warped yew]

You'll love halo 3

[karmic laurel]

I heard it’s the best campaign

[topaz tulip]

the best campaign is the one you hold close to your heart

for me its both 2 and 3 but gonna play reach next and see how it goes

odst was also peak

[karmic laurel]

Nice

[lyric brook]

can we get a halo 3 port for steam?

and no don’t reply with mcc it’s nowhere near the same.

[craggy wadi]

MCC

There not going to

Best hope for a remaster

Starting to count my head-shots and misses

[frosty condor]

Wdym it’s better

H3 on MCC at 4K/60fps, better shot registration, and legacy bugs fixed?!

[craggy wadi]

I was asked two questions today. What console has the most exclusives? What console is the best? I am curious about other people's opinions.

I answered with xbox 360, and the S series

[civic sundial]

They're not going to be rereleasing Halo 3 as a standalone game on PC because MCC exists and features everything the original version had on 360 plus a bunch of new additions to the customisation, sandbox and map pool

Also like, releasing a version of the game that's got less features than the version part of a collection is not going to sell well

[topaz tulip]

dont ask other people for game files obviously cuz thats piracy

so dump it from your own 360

[craggy wadi]

I have been thinking of getting xbox 360 games migrating them to my computer and making them play direct. No emulation involved

[lyric brook]

not better at all. the ranking system for one is completely different and arguably worse than h3’s TrueSkill and it’s also visually unappealing. the armors however are definitely a step in the right direction. I think a port is worth it solely for the UI, it was beautiful. or a remaster.

i just hate don’t understand why 343i would stop the remakes at h2.. makes zero sense to me, why can’t they just give halo 3 the same exact treatment as h2 anniversary and add it to MCC if the people don’t want a port or remake. I feel like everyone would be happy with that.

[craggy wadi]

TrueSkill 2.0

[civic sundial]

The visuals are the same as the 360 version of the game, they didn't change them

[civic sundial]

They've never remade a Halo game, CEA and H2A are remasters. The only remade aspect is H2A multiplayer but that's it

[lyric brook]

lol u know what i’m trying to say are u serious right now

remaster remake tomato tomato u get the gist of what i’m saying

give halo 3 the treatment it deserves

either way in order to remaster a game you’d have to remake it to a certain extent so idk what point u were trying to make

like what are you holding on to? what are your hopes by them not doing a remake/remaster? how does 343i not doing that hinder you? in what way will it not benefit you? these are the real questions.

my only suspicion is that you are a ploy sony sent out years ago to make sure halo stays dead. a true spartan would never reject such an idea.

[coarse dagger]

"true spartan"

[civic sundial]

I wish I was on Sony's payroll, having a job sounds great right now

[civic sundial]

I just don't see the point of doing a Halo 3 Anniversary

[frosty condor]

No point for an anniversary remake. It’s already beautiful at 4K/60fps

A “true Spartan” appreciates greatness

[civic sundial]

Honestly, all Halo 3 needs is some updated face models for some important characters and maybe a couple weapon models replaced with higher quality ones but that's not worth doing at this point because modders are already doing that

[sturdy kernel]

Same point
For what anniversary remake, just to fullwish old halo fans?

[swift iris]

Yep according to the guy suggesting it. Even though it's pretty dated.

[swift iris]

I'm just grateful to even have it accessible especially given that the game had it's sunset a while back and now on PC will live on for a long time.

[sullen owl]

I prefer the term, "Aging Spartan".

[swift iris]

Heh. Much more accurate.

[ember harbor]

Guys help me plz i started Halo infinite a few years ago but still i cant play well why i cant improve myself in this game like other games???

[sturdy kernel]

Is it not loading or which issue?

[sullen owl]

They're describing a certified "Skill Issue", not a mechanical issue.

[sullen owl]

Learn the maps, learn the weapons, practice practice practice. Play Legendary Firefight for target practice that bites back hard if you like that sort of thing.

[red coyote]

It's gonna die very soon. Hell Halo wars 2 has had constant number of 1700 players for years. Yet infinite steadily declining because the devs make a good game

[sullen owl]

4,323
24-hour peak

• Just on Steam. Xbox and MS Store have additional players as well. Xbox probably many more than Steam.

[ember harbor]

Thanks guys❤️

[red coyote]

Omg I'm so sorry a new game has 4000 players AT PEAK

[sullen owl]

Infinite isn't new.

OK. This isn't the place for it. lol

[red coyote]

It's Halo we talking bout halo

[sullen owl]

You're talking about Halo in an extremely toxic manner. lol Note: Messages this was in response to have been shredded.

[plucky river]

Halo Wars has a playerbase because it's an accessible RTS and works well with controller. It's not Ages of Empire Red Bull Wololo.

People still going off Steam numbers. It's not remotely good analytics in any way.

It's also a strange stance to take for a content creator. Why would anyone here care about your Twitch channel.

[sullen owl]

Halo RTS - Love controller controls. The M/K option is great, but controller turns down the heat to a solid casual play level that I can appreciate after a long work day. Also brings me back to playing Command and Conquer on N64, so there's a little nostalgia mixed in for me, but that never hurt anyone.

Steam numbers - Counter Strike is the only game that's alive, everything else is clearly dead. 😭

[glacial tartan]

In context it’s not bad to use.

[glacial tartan]

People are saying Fortnite is dead because it’s only managing a million concurrent players, I wish Halo was that dead

[plucky river]

It is but we don't have xbox numbers which would sway the argument either for or against.

[sullen owl]

It's an island metric which isn't helpful. Numbers only for PC and then only for people using Steam when it's on another store front as well.

[plucky river]

If the game was Steam exclusive then yeah that would be a good metric.

[dire temple]

Only reason for me to want an H3 remake is to get the cinematics remade like H2A. Other than that though, I don’t think it’s necessary

[glacial tartan]

If you say “MCC has higher concurrent players on Steam than Infinite” and cite those Steam numbers you’d be correct. If you said “MCC has more players than Infinite” and only cite those Steam numbers you’d be incorrect. That’s my point. They are useful, just in the appropriate context.

For example, another way they are useful is showing time trends throughout the day. Or, if a new patch is released and it’s received positively you’d expect to see those numbers trend upwards, and even if it’s only a subset of the population we can make (with appropriate context) some conclusions.

[sullen owl]

In those instances you can still only make slim guesses. The only concrete info you get there is "Steam players play Halo Infinite more at this time." "Steam players liked this patch." We can't translate that over to console or the MS Store without more data. Number goes up is good, but our view is still super blind on the data. Only barest info we have for consoles is the "most played on xbox" page maybe where Infinite is in spot #25 on the page.

[glacial tartan]

Agreed. I also don’t like people who abuse the lack of information in the other direction. Anyone claiming any Halo game has millions (or even hundreds? Tens? of thousands) of unique Xbox players daily is stretching the gray area.

[sullen owl]

Three billion players on Xbox One X, obviously. lol

[glacial tartan]

As much as we laugh about it I’ve seen people saying the daily concurrent players is in the millions, absolutely insane.

[sullen owl]

I could stretch my mind to maybe one or two hundred thousand unique daily logins but that'd be about it.

[plucky river]

A lot of accounts are bots. There's so much spam and phising invites etc.

[ruby lake]

true...

but folks gotta stop holding out steam charts for an xbox game like its the real playercount

[frosty condor]

[ruby lake]

its like they dont know whut theyre doin at all

"guys guys!! look how many PC players this one xbox game has!! look guyz! its decreaaaasing!!"

they know god dang well that they dont have the exact number of how many XBOX players are in infinite

so they use steam charts as a way to get easy clicks on their videos

smh

i dont get how people saying that "halo is dying! waah!" for the gazillionth time when i can still get into a match in mere seconds

idk if thats just me but still

[spare finch]

Most players use ms store or xbox

[spare finch]

If the total player count were 3000 the wait times would be 5 minutes each (or more)

There’s over 376k total players

[plucky river]

It only works for haters and youtube grifters.

[ruby lake]

grifters got no life

like at all

"u like this thing and still play it?? well too bad!!!"

[plucky river]

What do you for work honey? ... oh I make videos based on lies and exaggerated statistics to pay the rent. .... ok

[ruby lake]

LOL

its best not to pay too much attention to them and watch their view count fall

but idk what mint quitz is doing

hes either "HALO IS BACK BABY!! WOOOOO-" or "halo is ded....qahh...gimme views.."

[plucky river]

Same grifters will never make a video about the good old days when Halo 2 and Reach were hated. We don't want sprint! We don't like the Arbiter! This story isn't cannon! The ending is bad! hhahahaahahah

[ruby lake]

true

"i got nothing going on in my life, time to complain about halo for years on end!"

[plucky river]

There's a lot of trolls that don't hold to those opinions just to egg it on and have a lol. Twitter especially.

[ruby lake]

twitter is a cesspool

[spare finch]

Not to mention people will attack you for having a different opinion for some reason, dunno why

[keen silo]

I wonder what it is about Twitter that just makes folks so overwhelmingly aggressive.

Me: Man, I sure do enjoy playing Halo

Twitter rando: Um, no you don’t and if you like Halo that also means you support (insert not even remotely related thing here)

[spare finch]

Pretty much sums up twitter

[white birch]

Ease of access and broad spectrum reach. You put it out there and everyone can see your replies.
Tiktoks comment sections are pretty similar.

[ruby lake]

tiktok comments are a whole another breed

[full warren]

I started playing since 5pm on and off and only got 2 games in the EU.

[celest heron]

might be referring to US players

[full warren]

There is not that many, max there is 20-30k

[river minnow]

yeah idk where that number came from LOL

[full warren]

well I complained at 2am UK time so only UK people are asleep, is what I think he means but even during peak time there isn't that many people in the UK for me to ever get a uk squad battle only occasionaly quick play

[river minnow]

tbf it has been hard for me to find games at peak times as of late, but a lot of the time I see you complain it's early morning so it makes sense there's no one

[full warren]

It was some stats people got from halotracker where they searched for players who played atleast 1 games in the last 1 month

[river minnow]

yeah but we all know that number makes no sense

[full warren]

Which number

[river minnow]

if we had that many players no one would be complaining about match times

[full warren]

Oh yeah that number was like from 3-4 month ago

[river minnow]

even then it's such a stretch to even say we have 50k

[full warren]

when there was like 5k steam players so now there is 2k steam players you can gustimate there is around 10k during peak time, and probably 5k during non peak hours

since it falls to like 800 players on steam during non peak hours lol

Normally you can see a big gain during a update but this update we had like a 2.5% gain instead of the 80% and 25% from the last two updates

[river minnow]

balancing isn't bringing people back

new modes and maps do but no where near as much as before. we need new sandbox additions badly

[analog salmon]

im getting US east servers more often

like maybe 1/3 of my ranked games are US east

2/3 Europe

doesn't feel bad though so idc. I'd take faster queue times if it mean half my games were US East

[fallen flame]

Sandbox additions and just more way's to keep you playing is what the game needs

I can play halo without these of course but to some people like it

[wooden briar]

Every 5 rank-ups, you get a voucher for a 60-minute massage at a participating spa near you. Now that would get my hours up.

[analog salmon]

this is the weekly peak concurrent players since 1 year after launch. It pretty much always goes back down to around 5k

of course Steam only but the trend will be the same on Xbox at least

[glacial tartan]

Excuse me I was told only hours ago that steam charts are completely worthless and only used by vile youtube grifters

[fallen flame]

You got xbox and game windows store and we have no idea what that playerbase is

[analog salmon]

yeah but the trend will be the same

i'd say the games population isn't changing much, there's a solid core playerbase who will slowly lose interest but i think we're still above the year 1 low when it was nearly under 4k one week

[fallen flame]

Because no meaty content is being added

[thin raft]

i think halo 3 anniversary needs to drop

[analog salmon]

yeah but whatever they add it will just keep the core playerbase

those players who come back for updates will always move on after a few weeks

like im 100% for more maps and content but lets be real, this is the population that's gonna sustain the game for the next year or so

[smoky forge]

Infinite has added a TON of content since launch.
Much of it arguably should have been in the game at launch,
but some of the stuff is new and gamechanging.
AI in forge has let people make custom campaigns,
various polished minigames and alternative game mode,
more official gametypes and community forge maps.

We keep getting new and powerful tools in Forge, like cloning objects (even it is has bugs), playing voice lines, playing music, new flood and covenant art pallets.

The issue, IMO, is that no one outside of the custom game community is seeing most of this stuff.

A dedicated ad campaign showing off all the new stuff might make a dent, but that is expensive to run.
If people who do come back to check out those new minigames/ campaigns/ custom games but still don't enjoy the matchmaking for whatever reason, they're probably not going to stick around for long.
Idk how to solve that problem.

[celest heron]

a lot of stuff has been two or three years later though which isn't great. at this point, it's always gonna be the core fans that remain just like every other halo game that 343 made.

[plucky river]

Xbox never does marketing. You will see Riot and Ubisoft advertise their old games on social media as adverts, ie. Play Valorant, Play R6 and it stimulates new players.

At the Ubisoft showcase this year they still advertised R6 as a game to play.

Xbox doesn't do this.

[smoky forge]

Halo Infinite had a huge ad campaign on and around launch....

[plucky river]

that was 3 years ago. Ubisoft and Riot do this every week for years.

I'll go in Instagram now and see Valorant and R6 adverts

[smoky forge]

IMO they should do another one. This is not a novel idea. Ads are expensive though.
Someone has done a complex calculation to determine if the cost would be worthwhile.
So far, that answer has clearly been "no"

[plucky river]

This is how Fortnite and DBD and R6 get stimulated and a playerbase lasting years and years. It's the marketing.

[plucky river]

I totally agree but this is Xbox. It's not a smart company. It just buys out studios and throws money hoping which spaghetti sticks to the wall. Fresh adverts tv, twitter, instagram, twitch, youtube would go a long way in saving a game and bypassing negative youtube videos.

[remote tinsel]

Rate the pfp /10

[smoky forge]

They also had the Halo show which they advertised. Presumably that would trickle back to Infinite?

[plucky river]

It's alright, I can read the text fine.

[remote tinsel]

The halo show shouldn’t be canon

[smoky forge]

it isn't?

[remote tinsel]

But out of 10 dude

[remote tinsel]

It isn’t? Oh wait your right nvm

That’s good

[plucky river]

Hard to say, the tv show was made for normies, not even gamers, just normies consuming tv shows for binging.

[smoky forge]

It is in the "silver timeline"
not that it really matters

[plucky river]

Xbox would rather cancel a game they spent a movie sized budget on and make a new game rather than try and save it with some PR and marketing.

[remote tinsel]

Can they get the odst helldivers game back please

I’d pay 100 dollars to play as a odst in a helldivers like game

I don’t have a play station or a solid pc so i can’t play helldivers

No 343 was shot the idea of a helldivers game concept but with odsts

[celest heron]

pretty sure paramount canceled it

[remote tinsel]

And tons of customization

[plucky river]

I'm talking about Infinite and other xbox games in the past.

[remote tinsel]

Only thing infinite was good for was the marines

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo2-halo-oorah-gif-15782884

[celest heron]

Oh, right. doubt that would move the needle much.

[plucky river]

Maybe so but my point was other publishers do like Riot and Ubisoft.

normies will just believe a youtube video narritive the game is terrible and dead and never see how different Infinite is now.

[celest heron]

even some people on this server say that

[plucky river]

@celest heron was that guy trolling about the hacker image yesterday?

[celest heron]

yes

[plucky river]

That's actually good news

[smoky forge]

Getting people to come back to a game is hard.
Getting people to come back to a particular game in the current era, where there are SO MANY long running, high quality, highly populated games, many of them free, is even harder.

[celest heron]

mcc did that for a good while mainly with pc, but it had a ton of work done to it

[smoky forge]

It was WAY easier to have a solid launch and retain players than to convince someone to give the game another change years down the road

[magic night]

Add on all the other games of yesteryear some of us are going back to play for the first time, and all the other good TV shows, movies, books, what-have-you and it's a very competitive market for our attention.

[smoky forge]

MCC had about a year on Steam before player counts dropped to at or below 10k monthly peaks

r6 siege hasn't really dropped below 60k peak plays per month since november 2017

Infinite hasn't has more than 20k peak players in a month since may 2022
This does ignore xbox, which is surely a decent chunk of the player base. But it is at least an indication that it is hard to retain players.
IDK what is required for a long term healthy playerbase, I mostly just play customs and forge lol

A "Soft relaunch" would almost certainly help get some player interest, and hopefully the new game modes and types would convert interest into retained players

I expect that we won't see a "soft relaunch" until 343 wants to get some hype for their next game.

(which is kinda what happened with putting Halo MCC on PC just ahead of Infinite's launch)

[ruby lake]

its funny how i watched a whole game turn from barebones to a full-fledged experience in a matter of years

[analog salmon]

tbh mcc just got fixed

i was there from the beginning of the revival and there wasn't a point it pulled in a lot of players aside from the PC launch

[ruby lake]

its like you serve a plate of bones with no meat in it and the next 3 years you finally serve a steak

that would've been like that since the first serve

[analog salmon]

2018 MCC was popular cause people just wanted to play those games and they basically made the game work

[ruby lake]

true

i hate how some game studios are so comfortable selling out undercooked and half-finished games

like: "hey there? wanna try our new generic third person looter shooter 2055? its only 70$!! pay up! pay up!"

then days after release, people get mad and then a roadmap is released with features that would've been at launch

[smoky forge]

Halo has a unique position in that each release built more and more expectations.
Making a Halo game that has everything that previous games have, at launch, would undoubtedly be expensive.
They tried the live service model of build a Minimum Viable Product, release it with cosmetic MTX, and use that to fund the rest of the development.
New IPs can get away with that because there is no existing fanbase that gets irate when their favorite mode was not included. (though many fail)
Halo Infinite got dragged because so many of the things people expected in a Halo game were missing.

[spare finch]

Hopefully halo 7 is more complete at launch

[full warren]

where is this 5k player from?

[smoky forge]

Hopefully at least launches with Forge, so players can make any missing content

[full warren]

The max I can see is 4.1k lately

and average of 2.5k

[smoky forge]

steam charts peak monthly players has been around 5k for several months

daily peaks have been around 3-4 k for most of the last month

[full warren]

peak monthly is not a good indication tho, just because one day it hit 5k does not mean every other day its 5k and lot of people dont play during peak

I would would say on average people are playing with 3.5k ish player extrapolate to everything probably 5 time that number or 4 times

[smoky forge]

it is also looking only at steam, not windows store or xbox. We don't really have numbers for those platforms.

Halo was always a console shooter (ignoring Halo PC, H2 V, and Halo Online) before MCC came to PC.
Infinite is also 3 years old now. That was how long Halo games typically lasted

[fallen flame]

Don't except a new game anytime soon by the looks of things it's most likely years away

[analog salmon]

Halo honestly makes sense for long cycles

Infinites just had a dry live service with not a lot of maps and filled by modes that should have been there day 1

I don’t think I’d want shorter then a 4 year cycle personally

I always think reach was harmed by its short cycle

So few dlc maps, the CEA maps were mostly rubbish and a lot of them never even got featured in Reach’s own matchmaking modes

Which presumably means they didn’t work in reach, despite being a map pack for the game

[balmy wedge]

They worked in Reach! If you had one copy of Combat Evolved Anniversary and its DLC for Reach (which my copy came with, but I don't know if they were universal), you could play them on LAN if I recall correctly.
I'm surprised you say they're rubbish, while I would have wanted other map choices over the Halo 2 maps, I'd say they were still enjoyable.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with you.

[analog salmon]

I never played hang em high but I just assumed it played bad in reach

Or they would have put it in rotation

Timberland was rubbish and that got in rotation. In MCC it has a higher weighting then any other btb map lol

Or at least it’s joint with highlands, which is decent

But hang em high and prison I think it’s called? Were not in rotation from my meoeory

So reach got barely any dlc maps

Reach getting a 3 year cycle and 4 getting another year to cook would have been huge for both games. But Xbox has seemingly never really understood the halo playerbase and what keeps us hooked

[smoky forge]

#lfg-social

[main solar]

oh sorry

[snow dagger]

Between DLC maps being limited to only certain playlists and only certain playlists having TU1 applied, Reach matchmaking turned into a total mess after the first year. Not something I see talked about very often

A silver lining of the live service model is that all players have all the playable content. It’s so helpful to the health of the game

[pure vault]

Just realized they completely got rid of Halo 3 Refueled from Halo Infinite. Thought it'd be selectable in the Quick Play.

They should do a 4v4 version of the Squad Battle playlist with all the the Halo 3 maps from Refueled, as well as remakes from other classic Halos.

[plucky river]

ooohhhh how are you guys finding VIP?

[pure vault]

Not my type of gamemode, but it's pretty great for a gamemode that was promised to be part of Season 3.

[full warren]

I miss that it was another good mode to play with the BR as a starting weapon

now we have to get lucky to get a BR start

it would be nice to have a server picker, I would preffer to play on 90 ping than 140

[plucky river]

Will matchmaking ever be fixed?

[full warren]

you still encountering problems? its been ok for me for a while now

[plucky river]

It was good yesterday. Today it feels like stacks and onyx players are in casual.

Now it's the EAC error again. I like the game but sometimes this is mega frustrating.

[full warren]

Oh the EAC error yeah very annoying and need restart, atleast no more cancelled match making that was extra annoying

I play squd battle so there is more players to kill and its more chill

[plucky river]

That's the thing it's not. It's always a stack and 2 guys with 40 kills and the rest of us with 2 kills.

[white birch]

I'm not sure you fan play solo anymore

[hollow grove]

is sbmm not supposed to give me teammates and opponents to my level? why do i get people on my team who go afk or 1-17?

and the other team has actual people playing?

[warped yew]

SBMM

My strat is to play horrible or be afk for 2 matches then boom easy players 🙂

[hollow grove]

so it happens to u too though? bad game then a couple easy ones after?

[warped yew]

Yes and many more people

[spare finch]

When death gives you the zombie enemies:

Easy players make elites look like the final boss

Even though elites are pretty easy to deal with

[magic night]

In Ranked, it'll be strict and try to only match you with people around your level. In social, it will usually just try to make sure the average of everyone's skill rating on either team is roughly equal to make matchmaking faster.

[hollow grove]

well thats the thing, it was fiesta and i get bad teammates

[magic night]

Fiesta is social, so it does the latter option I mentioned

[hollow grove]

but whatever idc that much anymore, just annoys me sometimes

[plucky river]

I'm not sure if SBMM will revert back because Microsoft would lose money as the Algorithm is licensed to other game publishers

[warped yew]

-<- yeah it's crazy how the forge community got one of their wants being music but they quiet when it comes to the SBMM

[frosty condor]

Pretty sure there’s no SBMM in forge

[craggy wadi]

Wow

[tiny horizon]

Which is better, Spartan Firefight or Spartan Runner?

[vale swallow]

Halo 2 20-year anniversary in 3 months.

[warped yew]

Firefight hands down

[civic sundial]

I wish people would be more considerate and constructive with their criticisms of games

[frosty condor]

I wish we all got along

[warped yew]

I wish infinite didn't release with 4 gamemodes lol

[glacial tartan]

UI cant support Slayer was wild 😭

[warped yew]

I didn't really care about the lack of gamemodes at first because I was on that group that thought 343 will fix this right?

But I didn't get why we couldn't pick the gamemodes we wanted to play

Lol

[coarse dagger]

If you think you have found a bug / unintended function, please make sure and submit a support ticket with the relevant details. That way it can be passed to the proper team for investigation :)

[sullen kiln]

Please refer to the Halo Support site for additional information and/or to submit a ticket concerning any issues you may be experiencing.

https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[warped yew]

The Scorpion?

I like the infinite scorpion but too bad you can't seat allies on the treads 😦

Also I don't know if this me or my TV speakers but sometimes forge music doesn't play? I've tested it in custom games and it plays 100% of the time but on forge it just doesn't play

Just seeing if anybody else has this problem

[spare finch]

Might work on xbox with kbm

[analog salmon]

probs

thats kinda a funny bug ngl

i would only use it to troll Rev if he ever plays Halo with me again

[spare finch]

The “this is a robbery” glitch

[keen silo]

Hippity hoppity, your scorpion tank is now my property

[full warren]

The disconnets are back either half my team is a utter noob or they never "loaded" into the game

just standing there doing absolutely nothing

[hollow depot]

That cute moment when you boot up Infinite MP and the Multiplayer is just unavailable

How does Titanfall 2 have a functioning MP but Halo Infinite doesnt?!?!?!

[full warren]

I mean it is avaliable

[hollow depot]

No it really isnt, it says "multiplayer is unavailable"

[full warren]

restart your game

[hollow depot]

That was my first step

[full warren]

What region are you

[hollow depot]

Assume that i have taken all the help desk "fixes"

EU

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[full warren]

I am UK I just had a game now its searching

just loading into game now

[hollow depot]

Yea i was playing perfectly fine half an hour ago, and its not my internet coz thats doing 10mb/s,

Buuuuut its okay im just gonna play titanfall instead, VTOL always works every single time

[signal ivy]

@river minnow

[river minnow]

based

[tulip tusk]

😁

[verbal geyser]

how do I get good at the game

[full warren]

28 kill in a slayer only to win 50/49 these match making is just rage inducing

[light canyon]

Hai fellow Spartans!

I am curious if you guys are wondering what is next for halo because I sure am! I think that they are going to add the classic shotgun back to the game!

[light canyon]

I usually say hippity hoppity off my property but that’s so much better!

[radiant sundial]

So, your enemies being as good as you makes you mad?

[indigo basin]

Wort wort wort

[warped yew]

[crystal iron]

halo 2 was MILES better than Halo CE, up there with reach so far

[smoky forge]

28 kills means his other 3 players on his team got 22 kills, an average of about 7 kills each.
The enemy team had 49 kills, or every player on his team died an average of 12 deaths. SXLightning almost certainly didn't die as many times as his teammates, so it is possible that his teammates went as bad as an average of -7 or -8.

That is not fun.
The teams were clearly approximately even, but being the best player on a team with a bunch of people that are not nearly as skilled, is often times not fun.

[crystal iron]

dude this is halo not algebra, very far from being that deep

it boils down to match making bad

[smoky forge]

None of that is algebra. I am sorry if simple addition and division is painful to think about

[crystal iron]

I do not play Halo to listen to people yap about math

[smoky forge]

okay

So anyways, having lopsided matchmaking can be frustrating, even if you win

[crystal iron]

you should look up the meaning of exaggeration

you might get further if you apply your basic critical thinking skills to something other than a match of halo

[smoky forge]

I am sorry you got upset seeing some numbers.
Let me rephrase, carrying a team that is doing poorly can be frustrating.
Matchmaking that prioritizes balancing teams by grouping highly skilled players with less than skilled players is a recipe for people complaining on forums

[crystal iron]

343 does not care they're making bank off the cosmetics dude. If the matchmaking upsets you that much and you really think it's that terrible to get a match or 2 like that you must be awfully dense.

it's statistically and probability wise impossible for every single match to be balanced absolutely perfectly, and in my experience, infinites matchmaking issues were never that awful

plus, if you're gonna whine about halo matchmaking, it literally uses the same system of every modern online multiplayer game

[glacial tartan]

Less players makes matchmaking much harder. The opposite ends of the skill curve are more likely to match each other

[crystal iron]

mhm, and this is not the games fault either, this is how all multiplayer games work these days because of SBMM

and infinite is an aging game

I am not a fan of 343's story direction and I am open of that, but I don't like seeing people bashing the multiplayer in ways that make absolutely 0 sense or clearly have little to no knowledge of how the matchmaking systems even work in most games

[keen silo]

I for one, actually enjoy having to carry my team. (Sparingly, not all the time) It’s like a little challenge of “how well can I do if Spartanman69420 is in the corner watching paint dry”

[balmy wedge]

Spartanman69420 has a very important job. Structural integrity of the battle arenas is very important and someone has to ensure there are no OSHA violations.

[keen silo]

That is true, I had not considered this possibility. With so many heavy weapons, plasma weapons, and super soldiers being let loose structural integrity is critical.

[balmy wedge]

That's why they have a high-viz coating: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ee59cf_91c236fcb510458c815513d8dcc816f3~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_560,h_855,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/Image-empty-state.png
Someone's gotta make sure nobody slips on Brute guts!

[bright vessel]

Is Sins of the Prophets the closest I'll ever get to Halo Wars 3

[smoky forge]

probably. I haven't tried it out, but I love that it exists

[full warren]

No? I had like twice the kill of anyone in that game, I am just annoyed of how bad my team is

[full warren]

no pooint talking to that guy, kami thinks controller is weaker than mnk in this game, while 99% of the pros are controller, its like leading a cow to water but you can't make it drink

[smoky forge]

It is kinda funny that people can't empathize with the frustration of: "Team mates, please stop feeding the enemy team kills"

[full warren]

I just got 22 kills in a slay on 140 ping. adn we lost 49/50, enermy team was 11-14 kills each like seriosuly what does 343 want

put me on 200 ping? if it was 15 ping I would have wiped this lobby but its ping and bad teamamtes, its pretty unbearable

[smoky forge]

That is a "balanced match" if you are comparing the "total average skill" on the teams.
Building the team with large skill differentials to get that balanced average skill can be frustrating.
Matchmaking has to balance:
Average skill levels,
Match quality (average latency from the server, usually),
Matching time (people won't wait forever),
in each playlist.

It is understandable that as player counts drop, compromises are made to reduce matching time. Still can be super frustrating

[full warren]

So basily F me on the ping, F me on the time (because it already takes 3 mins to find a quick play, and F me with my teammates, when everything is stacked against me it sure feels unfun

[smoky forge]

I'd recommend trying to find a party of three to match with to avoid the bad teammates, but matching partys of 4 also comes with its own complications

[full warren]

hard to fin party because sure one day i might ahve peopel to play but trying to arrange a time together is a nightmare

[smoky forge]

I get it. It is pain. Matchmaking is cool, it just has limitations based on players and physics. I hope 343 does a soft relaunch with an ad campaign that brings people back

[glacial tartan]

This would involve a TON of effort that I’ve never seen them do in the past, but I agree you need something Herculean to turn that ship around

[smoky forge]

Porting MCC to PC was a pretty large effort

[glacial tartan]

I don’t think it’s comparable but I get where you’re going. Fingers crossed for the people still on Infinite something is in the works.

[full warren]

These games lol, I got 30 kills in a squad battle slayer and we lost 74/75, do they not understadn these kind of game are not engaing at all

The peopel goign 0/16 or 2/14 is not enjoinging it, I am not enjoying it, the people I am slapping about is not enjoying it, who is enjoiying it

The one guy on the hog sparying bullets mgiht be enjoying it

[spare finch]

If they like chaos

[full warren]

Lol I litearlly made two people rage quit because they were on my team last game and now they are on other team, after I killed them they jsut rage quit lol

That does bring me some joy 😄

[spare finch]

Lol

They were like “oh no”

[zenith holly]

They saw your name and were like "yep we're out."

[full warren]

0:58s ranked arena, I waited 8 mins now, I just want to do my 3rd match.....

seriously, how is there no body playing these days in ranked.

I thoguht I will finally try it, because I dont know my rank these days

11 mins and counting...

ok 16 mins, I give up

[analog salmon]

Too late

It’s dead after 11pm

In Europe. And u have to wait ages for US

Sometimes find switching between arena and slayer every minute finds a match

[full warren]

so I can't even play a balanced game

i am jsut stuck in ever more unblanced social modes then

guy grabs snipe and runs and hides in a hole for the whole game so no one else can use it nor does he fire it. seriosuly some people in this game have mental issues

[plucky river]

I would play ranked but toxicity people on comms put me off. + I don't like strongholds.

[full warren]

just mute them

I have everyone muted the second they make a sound

[plucky river]

Nah, they grief if they +1 psycho and nasty dms

[plucky river]

I guess that's an idea. Maybe mute all comms in settings.

[full warren]

I do not have the xbobx chat thing

so they can't dm me

[plucky river]

I hope BTB and the SBMM gets reworked. It's to the point where lots of rando's are typing their grief in the text chat. "Doesn't matter what you do, it's a garanteed loss"

[full warren]

Just got put into a game mid way witht he enermy team with both rockets and snipes and teh score being 24/3 amazing

wtf it want me to join a game get sniped and rocketed, I am going to quit

[plucky river]

I wish more players made a stink about it. I hope 343 can address it on the next play time stream.

[light canyon]

Who else listens to brothers in arms?

And who likes the soundtracks!

[radiant sundial]

You can turn that around though

[dusk sentinel]

hola

[fiery shadow]

Anyone down to help with "Party bus" ? and maybe "Peekers Disadvantage"? they're my last 2 achievements in Halo Infinite

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[full warren]

A game that is slayer they have 23/75 and we have 4/75? I am not going to get over 50 kills to turn that around the other 7 players is already that bad they can't even get more than 10 kills, there is no chance this noob team is going to do anything

[full warren]

come on let me do my ranked games... its been 3 days and queeing a bit each day its now been like 30 mins of queue time for 3 games, seriosuly how does anyone "play" ranked

[full warren]

300 PING the game put me in a 300 ping game WTF, and it was against a 4 man stack

Yeah this match making is so busted, In the whole world there isn't a game lower than 300 ping it can put me in?

[celest heron]

I doubt many people in the US are playing this early and we know how sparse it can be outside of it which you just experienced.

[full warren]

but 300 ping,

I am being put into 100 ping games and 150 ping games which is barely playable

but how did a 300 ping game get in there, its sbmm trying to match me with opponets my skill but it did not take into account ping and put together that stupid game

I am not going to compete vs someone whos also my skill when I am on 300 ping and them 30 ping that is so stupid I can;t beleive sbmm does nto take that into account

Ha it put me into another game with unstable server with 280-400 ping yeah amazing match making

It is not even about USA people playing, I just dont beleive there is not a single match in the whole off europe, and usa that I can not be put into a match with that I am forced into Australian server and whatever that was, some southeast asian island server.

They can even put me into central asian server that would have less than 200 ping

latin american server would be less than 250

I am also talkign to myself in a dead server

[full warren]

AND ANOTHER GAME 400 PING wtf is wrong

half the team stopped playing because it was the same ping for them

[sullen owl]

You need to move to the US.

[full warren]

multiple tries to get a game and we lose because no one woudl cap the flag for 18 mins to even bother trying

it literally was me and another guy vs a whole team while the rest of them sucked

I can't play swquad battle because of incompetent team mates in obj games and I can't play quick play because of the ping and i can't play ranked because 5-15 mins wait

there isn't anythign left, I wish I can find another fun game to play so I can quit

this game is dead

[celest heron]

maybe try getting bad and then you'll get better teammates. ||||

[full warren]

OMG the games where I quit?!?!? the games with high ping, the halowaypoint predicted my kill and death perfectly IT KNEW I CAN NOT WIN THOSE GAMES ON 400 ping and it still put me in

it knew it put me in a unplayble games, 3 times it did that, 3 times I quit due to high ping and the stats match exactly, even the game I got 38 kills it knew I would get 36 kills... this is crazy

[civic sundial]

Have you considered not quitting the games you're in

[full warren]

have you tried to play a game on 400 ping? it made no difference it predicted I get 4 kills anyway so me quitting was as "predicted" since i got 4 kills and quit

[radiant sundial]

You never said it was squad battle, i though it was just 4v4

[full warren]

what how do you turn a game that is 23/4 in a slayer.

they have half the kills already

[radiant sundial]

1, i dont know what you play, so i default to 4v4 since thats what i do
2. 23/4 in a 50 to win is a pain to turn around, but doable.

Next time specify that its in squad battle

Mainly bc its even easier to turn around in squad

[full warren]

what are you talking about, its even less doable in 4v4

[radiant sundial]

That is just a skill issue

[full warren]

you not turning a game around when its bad far gone, it doesn't get that far gone because the team are equal, the teams are already busted tahts why its that far gone

[radiant sundial]

If you dont plan to win, you wont win.

[full warren]

LOL I don't plan to waste my tiem in a half finished game

[radiant sundial]

And giving up because you dont think you can win is frankly dishonorable and stupid

[full warren]

lol honor?

the game is over i dont know why 343 even bother filling a person

[radiant sundial]

You abandon your team because they're weak, what does that say about you?

[full warren]

I don't waste time with noobs

I am not a charity

[radiant sundial]

Your a coward who cant stand to do anything other than fight people far weaker than you.

I hate people like that.

Mayne take some time and fight people better than you so you can improve.

[full warren]

I am not here to make you feel better

LOL what do you think I am DOING

[radiant sundial]

Instead of complaining every time you feel challenged

[shadow turret]

with all due respect, I'd like to see you singlehandedly turn around a 23/4 in literally any mode

[radiant sundial]

Every message i ever see from you is a complaint.

[twin jackal]

Yeah no ive had bad experiences with ranked slayer too its not just u, and not being in the US has nothing to do with it

[full warren]

Because it is a complaint

[radiant sundial]

Theres no doing it singlehandedly, but if you work together, its possible.

[shadow turret]

with dumb teammates?

[radiant sundial]

No one is talking about ranked here

[full warren]

if a team has let a game get to 23-4 they do not have the skills to turn it around not even if you put lucid in

[radiant sundial]

Yes.

[shadow turret]

I want to see you do it, then I might believe it.

[radiant sundial]

I disagree.

[twin jackal]

It doesnt matter. Matchmaking is bad on every mode.

[full warren]

if they are decent players they would not have let a game get to 23-4

[radiant sundial]

Untrue.

[shadow turret]

This.

[sullen comet]

Even if your team is a bunch of algiers?

[full warren]

if I was in the game at 0-0 maybe I can carried but not when the game is half finsihed

[radiant sundial]

If they could communicate they would be doing far better, i can promise that.

[full warren]

you tried talking to people in this game?

99% do not respond and I can 100% say someone who goes 0/14 is not going to lsiten to you

[twin jackal]

It is true because i’ve had high ping matches on every gamemode, the worst being btb or ranked anything

[radiant sundial]

The main problem i see with halo players is that they complain whenever they feel challenged, that cant stand to do anything other than run right over evdryone.

[full warren]

they dont even have the chat enabled

[radiant sundial]

And they're all cowards.

[full warren]

What do you mean challenged, If I stayed in that lobby I would gotten more kills than anyone but still loss, what is the point

[radiant sundial]

Just because they dont use mics doesnt mean they cant hear you. Or read your pings.

[full warren]

oh right people respond in ping in this game?

[radiant sundial]

Yes they do.

[full warren]

what rank are you even here talking like you know

a 0/XX player is not bad because they don't listen or work together, they are bad because THEY ARE BAD

[radiant sundial]

Then help them. Dont be a coward and run away from a fight.

[full warren]

Reach into their screen and play for them?

[twin jackal]

Thats fine if the other team is better than us and we lose thats normal gameplay and it happens.

Its the matches that have 200-300 ping and are unplayable or match you with groups that are obviously below the skill level of every other player there that annoy me.

[full warren]

HELP what, you keep saying help them but they do not talk, do not read chat do not react to ping

I can not teach a rock to read

[radiant sundial]

No, give them tips while playing, actually contribute to the team, making sure that you help them if they cant help themselves.

Kills arent everything. Assists exist fo a reason.

[full warren]

I told you they do not listen, evidently you do not read either

I am here telling you something but you are just like thse people in game 0 reaction

[radiant sundial]

Then thats their fault, but have you ever made a real effort to try?

[full warren]

I literally carry every single of my 4500 games

[twin jackal]

we all have. They don’t listen.

[full warren]

YEAH I made a real effort in trying to win in HALO infinite

[shadow turret]

I'm on Lightning's side with all this
Almost every single match I'm in, nobody listens, or they just be annoying over mic, if they even have a mic
pings are 50/50, but its still rare
and genuinely, if you get in a match where your whole team is negative, no amount of pings or comms will turn it around.

[twin jackal]

Exactly!

[radiant sundial]

Untrue, ive won with most o my team negative

[full warren]

whats your gamer tag let me search it, my is my name

[radiant sundial]

If you arent willing to try to pick up the slack when you can, then you shouldnt play

[radiant sundial]

Its linked to my account.

[full warren]

i am not here to play into 343's algorithm

[radiant sundial]

Im not sayingi win all the time either, because i dont, but giving up at the start is worse.

[radiant sundial]

But thats exactly what you are here to do isnt it?

Otherwise you wouldnt play halo.

[shadow turret]

I know how to play at an Onyx level of gameplay, and sit around P2-3, and with my 3600 matches (or close to), I know when a match is not worth playing/unredeemable
its honestly why I only play Firefight unless I have a stack, because I'm not willing to deal with 3 randos that don't understand what playing the objective is, I need someone that will actually play with how I play, not randos that don't listen to anything

[full warren]

I wont say what your rank is but you have no real value here saying you carry games....

Primus you are literally just a middle of the pack player you literally do not get the games I get

[twin jackal]

Well said

[radiant sundial]

My rank is gold 5 in slayer, gold 3 in arena/doubles. I dont play any other ranked modes, and i dont play btb/squad often either.

[full warren]

you do not understand my games do you do not udnerstand my struggles

[twin jackal]

Plat is different than gold in terms of player skill

[radiant sundial]

I understand plenty. Ive played with high ranking players before. Its not simple.

[full warren]

I am D4 jsut did my 5 games, and I am playing vs people who are all onyx last season, I am playing on 100 ping in my ranked games....

[radiant sundial]

I play with high plat regularly.

[twin jackal]

Thats brutal

[full warren]

gold and plat doesn;t even regiester

on the scale no offense when its high diamond and onyx

[shadow turret]

D4 vs. Plat is a massive difference.
even just D-P is a massive skill gap
(going off of Lightning)

[radiant sundial]

Instead of complaining, why dont you try to fix the problems?

Get better equipment, better internet

Talk when you dont have screwed up equipment.

[shadow turret]

not everyone can.
You've seen me

[full warren]

My internet is giga BIT!, my equipment is the best there is, however I CAN:T JUST MOVE FROM THE UK TO USA

[twin jackal]

Thats 343s problem, they host with their servers

[radiant sundial]

You arent an adult and dont count for reasns that you know well.

[shadow turret]

Just sayin, its not as easy as "just getting better internet and a setup"

[twin jackal]

personal internet has nothing to do with lobby ping

[full warren]

They can put me in 80 ping us server because I BEEN in them but nope they put me in 150-300 ping servers instead, that is a 343 issue not my issue

[radiant sundial]

Then fin a way to regularly get in us servers. Play with US players. Theres usually plenty on

[full warren]

You can not tell me there isn't a single lobby I can join in east coast USA

[full warren]

Why is every one of your suggestion to do with other people

I do not want to play with other players, not does playing with USA players put me in easdt coast servers

[twin jackal]

Theres really not. I had a 12 match streak of 200-300 ping lobbies a few days ago… all losses because its impossible to play in

[radiant sundial]

Because you said you cant do it yourself, so find people who can help you

[full warren]

no one can help me with the ping issue tho

[radiant sundial]

Then play ffa or get over it.

[full warren]

Yep it sucks like I can make do with 150 ping but over 200 its a different game

especially vs good players you are at a massive disadvantage

[twin jackal]

I cant even do 100 ping, my respawn timer pops up before im dead😭

[full warren]

I used to get 12 ping games before they changed the menu

[twin jackal]

Same

i average 40 at the lowest now

[full warren]

imagine going from 12 to 150 lol it was a shock, and my lobbies stayed the same, playing vs other high diamond on 12 is fine but now I play vs the same guys on 150 ping, it is so bad

[twin jackal]

And you cant quit or else the penalize you and throw you into the quitters pool

^i mean they match you with other players who quit or don’t play if that makes sense

[full warren]

I don't quit ranked because there is actually something on the line, I never quit any game unless its over 200

[twin jackal]

I only quit on ranked if its super high ping, because i don’t want to stick around and potentially be a burden to a team who’s not dealing with the same issue

Sucks for me but shouldn’t have to for everyone else

[shadow turret]

All I'm gonna say is:
From the standpoint of a Gold skill level, there's miles of difference between that and Diamond. Even me at P2-3, I know I have a lot to do before I can reach Diamond, but I at least know how Onyx players play, and know tactics and whatnot used at an Onyx/close-to Onyx level.
Ping is almost unchangeable, and I know that very well, coming from playing on 500+ ping almost every match before the networking update (now I sit around 75-150, which for me is playable, even though its not good)
Anytime I get into a social match where my whole team is negative, I'll still play it bc I don't like quitting, but I'll enjoy it much less than a match where I feel like I have a chance, and in Ranked, if my entire team is negative, I pretty well know the match is screwed for me.

I know for a fact that I don't know everything about how to play well and whatnot, but I know enough to read matches, and know bad matches from good ones.
I'm very understanding that "knowing how to play at an Onyx level" isn't the same as playing at an Onyx level, but I can at least give higher-level insights than if I was just rolling with the Plat train of thought.
Just my two cents to the situation, but I'm very much on Lightning's side with all of it. if a match is going down badly, it will stay that way unless a miracle happens, for whatever team it's going badly for.

[twin jackal]

Well said

[shadow turret]

(and yes, I did used to play at like 500 ping, my internet is terrible 😭)

[full warren]

500 is a rat chewing on your internet lines lol

[twin jackal]

i wish they would go back to using player hosted lobbies, i never had ping problems playing 3/reach

[shadow turret]

fr lol
I still get like 250 unstable occasionally, but it more often sits around 80-90 or lower now
300 is about the highest I've seen it go to on a bad day
(In response to Lightning, I didn't see the other message lol)

[twin jackal]

Does anyone else have problems playing on cliffside specifically?

Like my fps will drop to 5-10 frequently but only on cliffside

[shadow turret]

There's a couple maps I have that on, I forget which oens tho

[twin jackal]

its so frustrating

[shadow turret]

but I have that constantly
(Ranked I think is Forbidden it seems to do it on for me)

Genuinely had like 3 crashes trying to do Snipes placements a while back on Forbidden, bc I couldn't get any other map

[twin jackal]

Real

[shadow turret]

luckily they didn't count, or only one of them did, but still

[twin jackal]

i tried ranked snipers the other day and the first match i got was cliffside with 250 ping

[shadow turret]

sheesh

[twin jackal]

So bad

[shadow turret]

Snipes is unplayable above 100 ping honestly, and even still its a pain

hopefully later this year I'll be getting a better setup (possibly next year, idrk)
FPS, and just performance in general is a problem for me currently

[twin jackal]

343’s next updates need to be about quality of play and not about more cosmetics imo

[shadow turret]

Since my laptop is roughly minimum specs
(GTX 1050, and an i7-8750H)

[twin jackal]

we need hardware and software updates to lobby hosting

im on a oneX

[shadow turret]

honestly yea
There's a lot of things server wise, and just performance wise that need improvement

[shadow turret]

I've considered getting an Xbox before, but I just prefer PC for a lot of things honestly

personal preference tho

[twin jackal]

If they are concerned about their players leaving its needs to be a primary focus. Because players will see the new gear and come back briefly only to be reminded of how poorly the servers are being run and leave again

[shadow turret]

yeaaaa

Honestly, idk what networking they used in MCC, but it runs smooth as butter for me
no ping/lag issues, and consistent shot reg

Granted I haven't played a ton of MCC MP, but the games I have played have just felt better

[twin jackal]

yeah same, its probably because of the lower requirements though

Infinite runs off a whole new engine

[shadow turret]

prolly

I should play MCC again someday
I've just been on the Hero grind in Infinite

[autumn hare]

Infinite >

[compact wasp]

anyone having issues playing campaigns with people? the connection is terrible for everyone

[stable hornet]

Not really any but then again I haven’t played campaign with others for months

[compact wasp]

its unplayable for us, but we played odst yesterday and it was fine

[stable hornet]

Ah

Well Atleast you can all listen to deference for darkness together without issues (I’m listening to it with rain and thunder for 8 hours rn)

[tulip tusk]

i like how cowbell doesnt only increase acceleration from explosions but also melee u can punch crates into people lol

[stable hornet]

Lmao

[plucky river]

H2 had the worst connection for co-op

[celest heron]

can't do much with co-op when there's lockstep

[compact wasp]

we were trying to do reach

[analog salmon]

Idk if SBMM was loosened up or what but man im finding matches in ranked slayer fast today

[celest heron]

they wouldn't loosen it for ranked. maybe more are playing cause the weekend.

[tiny horizon]

I don’t think someone’s short message on a big company’s public server is going to fix it

[full warren]

well server is down lol

[stable hornet]

Anyone up for h3 custom games?

[full warren]

it just gets better and better, no wonder why half my team didn;t load into the game

Multiplayer is unavailable

[stable hornet]

I mean for mcc

As far as I know mcc is still fine, infinite however is done for

[full warren]

well I tried mcc once but that game just feels wrong on mnk so I dont play it, bullets in that game is like floating pellets lol

[ivory glacier]

Same. That sucks too cuz the last couple of days I haven’t had any server issues. I thought the problem was over

[stable hornet]

Welp I’ll just ask in lfg

[full warren]

Between 200 + ping games or server is down I dont know what is wrose

I wish there is a halo like game but I not heard of one yet

its all apex or warzone which I hate the scavenging part of the game

[stable hornet]

Titanfall 2?

[stable raptor]

Halo infinite servers down? Not even the store loads

[full warren]

thats very different lol you fighting with robots

[stable hornet]

We do fight real people too

[full warren]

last I saw half of the people are bots but its mainly big robots

[stable hornet]

Damn well to explain further

[full warren]

I want somethign with just people in a small map

[stable hornet]

There are game modes without the titans, there are more real people then bots really

But welp.. not sure of other games

Ig splitgate if there’s people even playing it anymore

[full warren]

I heard of that but the game seem to be over till splitgate 2?

crazy how hard is to find a smilar game lol

I would happily pay to buy a game instead of free to play because halo free to play is a miss

[ivory glacier]

These recent server issues have been really annoying but other than that Infinite is a great game. It seems like everybody kills this game but it’s awesome. It has everything

[full warren]

it has everythign except the players

[ivory glacier]

I hate this server issue cuz I don’t know what else to play

[ivory glacier]

Everyone talks bad about it but I don’t see the problem

The game itself

[edgy forum]

.

[stable hornet]

There’s also missing content

But yeah I like the core gameplay of it, and forge, seriously the custom maps are amazing

[ivory glacier]

There’s so many different game modes you can play. The mechanics are amazing. That might just be my opinion but it seems like people hate the game

[stable hornet]

Tbh I feel like there aren’t enough game modes

And the good ones came out too late

Hell a lot of the really good game modes and stuff is forge stuff

[ivory glacier]

That’s fine but sometimes I hear all these negative things and I’m just thinking “what more do you want”

[full warren]

The game ever since the menu update has longer queue times

and worse number of players, they gave us a half finsihed menu that is harder to uyse than the old one

[stable hornet]

Wait there was a menu update?

[full warren]

and because you have to deselect all modes it made the popular mode to have even less players

You can now select the game modes you want in each mode

so now quick play is 47 modes that half are not played normally but its diluted the player abse because no one knows to deselect them

so now quick play and team slayer modes used to be most popular their player base got pushed to other modes

so now it takes like 2 mins for me to just get a quick play game that is on 150 ping

[ivory glacier]

Yeah there are some issues. I don’t really care for the menus but I’m a little more used to them. However I do think the new match composer made the queue times worse ( for me anyway). And there are issues with the servers occasionally and I get packet loss sometimes. But the game is great

[full warren]

I used to get local server games on quick player and team slayer at all times of the day

[ivory glacier]

Yeah same before composer

[full warren]

like noon to midnight every time local server, on 12 ping ever since the update the next day all my games went to 90-150 ping

and now I got 300-400 ping games which is unplayble

so they basicly F-ed everyone whos not in USA, like they basicly only cater for their usa base

I got like 2 local games today and that is only in ranked, then the otehr 2 was 150 ping, 150 on D4-D6 is not fun

[ivory glacier]

I’m in US and it takes longer to find matches but that’s been getting a little better

[stable hornet]

I’ve only been playing custom games really

So can’t say much on that

[full warren]

me playing on 150 ping vs a us person on 40 ping is massive difference but I still get matched with them because sbmm does not take into account ping

[ivory glacier]

The other technical stuff I don’t understand. But if the game is unplayable for you then you have no game

Anyone know if the servers are still down?

[stable hornet]

For me they aren’t, I just played a custom game match

[full warren]

not only am i playing on 150 ping and being the top of my teams leader board I get teammates with 19% accuracy that only hit 14 of his AR shot in a 10 mins game. wow just wow

[stable hornet]

…

Jesus Christ and I thought I was bad, Atleast I can hit stuff

[frigid grail]

Can I suggest that armor abilities that don't require an open hand are able to be used while holding tertiary weapons (like the machine gun, pulse cannon, scrap cannon)? So basically the thruster lol

[ivory glacier]

I do have to say whatever they did to the AR is not vibing with me

[frigid grail]

☝️

[frigid grail]

I have watched a man get rocket launchers for 70% of his respawns in fiesta BTB, and go 0-12. He legit might have been blind lmao

[plucky oasis]

I have no idea how Halo 2's checkpoint system works, especially if LASO (note, classic XBox, not MCC) changes anything regarding it

[rugged quartz]

A bigger sandbox

[warped yew]

The vehicles and the guns in the files basically

But yeah I agree halo infinite is in a good state rn if we look past server issues

Idk this games launch has probably been the last straw for alot of halo fans because for the 3rd time, 343 has messed up again horrendously

This one being the worst because Halo Infinite really looked like it was gonna be good. We know what happens

[reef canyon]

Can't seem to find the 17th audio log for MCC ODST
internet doesn't help
Also audio log 29 switched with number 17 according to a map on steam

[weak jackal]

Scorpion Punch brought back

[reef canyon]

And no audio log 17 is not where 29 is on the map I got

[lusty wraith]

just had a couple aggravating matches and I'm in rage mode rn graaah

can't tell ya how much it pisses me off when someone just demolishes the ffa lobby using nothing but the AR lol aghhhh

[spare finch]

Just imagine you’re playing a round of ranked and then someone starts punching you at high speeds

[craggy wadi]

Yeah. Server meshing

[livid fable]

Firefight

[serene badger]

I feel yea. I hear a lot of Infinite update multiplayer complaints, but think of it this way:
They are trying.
Us, who are campaign players, do not get any updates!

And we paid for campaign when they told us there would be updates and DLCs...

But somehow still excited to see what they are coming up with for the next game...

[sturdy kernel]

Paid for the campaign:🗿
Game pass existing:

[serene badger]

Hmm, the initial passes had some good stuff in it, like stances, but wow, 100 levels 😵‍💫.

[craggy wadi]

Sounds like they need to do some data mining with an analyst to see how many actually played the campaign

[serene badger]

They should already know, and hence, their decision.
Eh. Business is business.

I understand that multiplayer, at this point, is where the revenue is .

[coarse dagger]

I don't think that was ever announced or promised

[serene badger]

But i would have still paid for campaign DLC.

Honestly, i am not going to search for old articles to rebuttle that. 😆

[coarse dagger]

A lot of us would have, but let's be careful about spreading incorrect information as factual :)

[craggy wadi]

What did you think of iconic Atriox?

@serene badger

[serene badger]

Sorry, i was researching articles. Plenty stated that DLCs would be released over the years, and articles of people surprise when 343 stated they had no plans to begin with. With the official announcement from 343 that they were never and are not developing it, case closed. No DLCs. Not sure where the rumors started then. 🤷🏽‍♂️

For an antagonist, Atriox is fantastic! I love the deep character building that really makes you feel for him and his crew.

However, i do hope we do not go down the road of "every halo game will have a singular villain to fight". I miss the simple feeling of "The fight against the Covenant is dire." As compared to a game being focused in a single bad person. Hopefully not every future story will have a single antagonist boss to defeat.
Infinites campaign was about destabilizing the banished. Its many bosses was a cool idea.

So Atriox is great! Just hope he doesnt become the sole focus like some games and movies do.

To me, that was the fun of the early games: the impending doom of an alien faction, the battles and odds you go through, the loss, and the hope that emerges.

It is different when it is soley "hunt down your nemesis, defeat."

[weak jackal]

This is fine, as long as I can have it as well

[warped yew]

Yes as long as everyone can do it :]

[celest heron]

lol, people been saying that since h4.

[warped yew]

That's why I said probably

Next game I'm not pre-ordering cuz three times was suppose to be the charm so I'll just wait if the community can universally can agree if the next game is horrible, mediocre, or good 👍

[plucky river]

thankfully the games have never been mediocre, just lacking launch features and on going content and crappy stores

[warped yew]

Yeah my impression on games are usually influenced by the launch so If the launch does terribly, that says something about the company who's making the game

Maybe I'm mad because they said alot of content would be free to earn through solely playing the game

Why did infection take 4 seasons to make it into the game lmao

[coarse dagger]

I don't think that's what was originally said, do you know where they said this?

[warped yew]

Yeah but they worded it so badly

[warped yew]

Can i send links?

Like to the video

[warped yew]

I'm gonna assume I can't send links so it was in the video "Halo infinite | Multi-player Overview"

8:25 of the video they say alot of content is earn through playing the game

It has some truth but operations only usually offer like 1 set of cosmetics which doesn't come close to the sheer amount of content in the store and the battle pass

That's not alot tbh

I know 343 can do better

[celest heron]

I know. It's just funny when people say if the next game has sprint for example they're done with halo and then you see them complaining about people sprinting in the game after it came out.

[warped yew]

Yeah those people complain too much lol

I like infinite because it gives me the old sense of bungie halo games but it gives me that modern feel because the sprint is much more versatile in its movement tech

Adds a larger skill gap besides aiming

Some people need to get with the times 😤

[plucky river]

Do people even play Infection? It seems like a loud but tiny community.

[warped yew]

Idk

Yeah but not alot

[plucky river]

It's like griffball. If the analytics were true, they would had added griffball before KOTH lol

are the servers working today? i dont want to waste my time again.

[warped yew]

In general I just talked to someone who got kicked out of a match

So yeah i don't think servers are working

[radiant sundial]

Its 70/30 on whether or not the servers work

They usually are working (for me atleast) altho sometimes they do act up a lil

[coarse dagger]

Editing this post after you did your research changes the context of my question now.

For clarity, it originally said "all of" and not "a lot of" and was why I questioned it, because they never said "all of".

[warped yew]

Yeah my bad

I misremembered and I had to look at the video lmao again

But it's still misleading

[coarse dagger]

It's not really , but ok

[radiant sundial]

Not really

[warped yew]

Kind of is

[radiant sundial]

Nope

[warped yew]

Yeah it is

[radiant sundial]

Agree to disagree

[warped yew]

Operations don't offer enough to match the shop or battle pass level of content

I mean makes sense but they should just word it better 👍

[radiant sundial]

coughexchangecough

[warped yew]

That wasn't there day 1

[radiant sundial]

Neither were operations.

[warped yew]

Yeah but operations are just the same as before

[radiant sundial]

Nope

[warped yew]

But now you have to pay for what you missed after the content expired

I don't even remember what was before operations so my bad

[coarse dagger]

Season passes

[warped yew]

Okay season passes

[coarse dagger]

Which had free and paid tracks

[warped yew]

Yeah

[coarse dagger]

If you bought 1 pass, you could essentially buy every season due to getting points back

[warped yew]

Wait no no

I mean like Tenrai events

Those and Operations are the same because you can get all tiers for free

Difference operations just reward paying with more content and never expiring access tot hose operations

[coarse dagger]

Events spanned over multiple weeks, so there was quite a lot of time to complete them. Now they are called Operations, span 4 to 6 weeks, and you can pay a small amount after the operation is over to get the items if you missed the free period - much better than a lot of other events in other games, as far as I know

[warped yew]

Did events have an average tier count?

[coarse dagger]

But I feel like we're starting to shift goalposts here

[warped yew]

Ok u right back to my main topic

Operations (free stuff) and events dont give enough content to actually justify what I said was misleading

A majority of the actual stuff was in battle passes or the shop

Events mainly are the problem because we didn't have the exchange

:v

[plucky river]

halo is by far the worst for free stuff. gears 5 has the perfect store and coalition went through the same misery of negative comments as infinite had but they turned it around fast

[warped yew]

Wdym halo is by far the worst stuff for free stuff

What??

[sullen owl]

They turned it around by putting everything in a gameplay coin store and abandoning the game.

[plucky river]

The market thingy is a good start but it's a bit late and lacks. Gears 5 is a much better system for everyone.

R6 has a better system too although recently they are more pay only these days, what's earnable is 100% garbo

[sullen owl]

Gears 5 is done. Infinite still has updates.

The store update was pretty much the last thing done for Gears 5.

[celest heron]

ugh, bots are better than some of the teammates I get in ff.

[warped yew]

Nah I wouldn't let a bot doing better than me slide

[white birch]

Best of luck getting teammates that are better rn.

[full warren]

with the EAC bug there is actualyl hackers stilll cheating in this game

guy with 14 games and he snaps and locks on to people

clear as day cheating amd somehow I get anti cheat messages and he is free to cheat

[warped yew]

In infinite?

[full warren]

yep

[warped yew]

Dang MCC and now this.

[full warren]

, its obvious because he was in a warthog gunner position and he would like shoot and snap to the next target

one by one, doing 180s turns to the next target

[warped yew]

Can you check like their multi-player stats?

Should report tbh

[full warren]

I mean whats the point I did the in game one, but its a brand new acocunt tehy going to cheat and make new account

only 14 games, and their average accuracy is 65%

[warped yew]

Well nothing we can do

We can just hope 343 hears our calls and does something

👀

[full warren]

260 ping slayers fun fun, and it was not my internet becuase another person in the lobby had the same

the servers are busted, it dropped to 100 for 5 misn the back to 250 ping, wtf is wrong with their routing

[full warren]

I am getting some god awful teams again, literally I can't just win a few games isntead of having to play ranked?!?! 2 quitters and the bot got more kils than the quitters

The games not even close, its literally me vs 3 onyx/diamond in social and my team is a bunch of plats

[warped yew]

😤

[full warren]

Always the most damage and most headshots in the whole game but my team just can't get a kill to save their lives, I did 6k dmaange i the slayer and no one else in the game got close to 4.2k

on either team....

[warped yew]

Look man just do horribly for two games or something close to that number

Then you get rewarded with a horrible enemy team in the next couple of matches

Wait that's the thing

Halo is about teamwork 💪

[crystal iron]

out of all of halo's flaws flaws as a franchise, i'm glad the only thing that hasn't happened is a needless injection of political opinions

[warped yew]

Sometimes you can't be a one man army 💪

[crystal iron]

there has never been a left-leaning ideology push, nor a right-leaning ideology push, in any halo game and that is a thought that makes me happy

it has forever been an anti-military-industrial-complex franchise with bold claims of human rights and how those are violated

but nothing that everybody didn't want to see

[warped yew]

Uhm Bungie had to change some names around in Halo 2 because of religious matters at the time

[full warren]

But I dont want to play badly just so I can win lolo

[warped yew]

Idk if this actually matters tbh

[full warren]

that is stupid incentive, I want to do good and win because I did good I dont want to loss because it was my team amte dragging me donw

[warped yew]

What about FFA

You can't get held back by teammates if u don't have teammates

[full warren]

FFA is a mess tho you are just constantly beign shot at

I wont mind 2v2 but my god the team amtes I get in that, once I got 19 out of the 20 kilsl and we barely won

[warped yew]

Got a question then

Do you make an effort to be up top on the leaderboard or is it just something that happens because you so good

[full warren]

Why I still play this game I hate? because I not found another game lol

[warped yew]

The question basically is are you a sweat lmao

[full warren]

I literally do not care about my score, I only look after the game

[warped yew]

Try Xdefiant or Titanfall 2

[full warren]

I am sweating yes, because I want to win, titanfall is odd with the giant robots, xdefiant sounds good and I saw people play it but the hype is all gone not heard anyone playing it amnymore

[warped yew]

Wait I've said lmao too many times in this servers

Titanfall :((

[full warren]

I just googled xdifient and people been talking about netcode issues lol I mgiht try Blackops 6

people in the reddit was talking about it.

But I know COD and battlefield don't have shield so it is kinda different

[warped yew]

Well hey try out new things

[full warren]

I dont want to go to a dead game is what I am worried about atleast with halo I know no matter how badly 343 does

halo is here to stay, not sure about these other games lol. Maybe I should just go back to league of legend atleast no playbase issue and no netcode issues

[warped yew]

League of Legends?

Uhm

[full warren]

Atleast that game has no problems in the 8 years I played it, halo is my first shooter

[warped yew]

Good point

[full warren]

I shoudl picked COD to be honest, i would have had a better time instead of worrgin if my next game is 200+ ping or cant even start games

well 3000 ping game whoel server and everyone quit

and these games lol, half my team noticed how unfair it is, they are complaining in game about how unbalnced these teams are.

squad battle it was like 4 of us vs 8 because the other half of our team had less than 10 kills combined

[craggy quest]

Play Featured Playlist (VIP), Firefight, or BTB. Your ping should be a little better in those playlists.

[full warren]

firefight is pve

I am playing quick play and squad battles not exactly no players

they are the lowest qureue times

[celest heron]

try cod then. it might work out better for you.

[full warren]

If only they would make their match making not so blatantly one sided

This would be a fun game, the lobbies I am getting at literaly wipe outs because I can not carry every single noob

so I need to get 27 kills in a slayer to win ok, bascily I gotta do more than half of the work to win a game of 4v4 be, 2.5x better than the average player

[plucky river]

There's much radio silence these days.

What is with ranked? AFK players every match.

[zinc quarry]

Do you hit crouch when you hit the ground, or before you hit it for a curb slide?

[shadow turret]

while you're falling generally, its weird timing sometimes

[zinc quarry]

yeah ill practice it sm more

[crimson berry]

Welp, that was kinda cool. Sniped a person getting into a wasp right as they got into it with a Wraith.

[ivory glacier]

Why am I hating this new AR? It just feels off. I don’t know what it is

[radiant sundial]

Idk why everyone dislikes the ar so much now, it feels way better to me

[ruby lake]

AR > every other halo weapon

fight me

[craggy wadi]

It's so tempting to hold instead of burst

[livid fable]

#1269769599470145567 message

[swift iris]

Bungie's ar laughs at that since it's intentionally designed to switched at start.

[sullen owl]

Yup. Something "functional enough" to get a kill, maybe, if you're in the right spot and get the drop on them, but realistically should be swapped out for something stronger for the scenario.

[swift iris]

Which turns regular team slayer into a ranged sweat fest. Least AR now in the current games has good usage.

[shadow turret]

Imo
the AR in Infinite is usable but bad

[grand willow]

Does anyone knows when does grifball is coming back ?

[craggy wadi]

patience it got rotated out

[glacial tartan]

It’s never gone more than 3 weeks so don’t worry

[grand willow]

👍

[light canyon]

WHO here likes the S7 Sniper rifle

[full warren]

What kind of weird question is that lol, who doesn't like a sniper

[civic sundial]

Leonard L. Church, but that's because he's terrible with one

[celest heron]

they did change it slightly so it's not completely out of the question.

[plucky river]

Take them to heaven with your trusty S7

[light canyon]

YOO thanks I am actually a pretty good sniper! In halo

[celest onyx]

Any update about the Halo MCC Cheaters? I know 343 said they are looking into it.

[coarse dagger]

They only posted a few days ago, so it may be a bit before anything else happens

[celest onyx]

Gotcha, thanks! Hopefully there is an update soon

[plucky river]

I generally prefer all the weapon versions in Infinite, s7, bulldog, AR.

[light canyon]

I play MCC and I can’t access multiplayer sadly..

[crystal iron]

I like the looks of the infinite weapons. The mythic overhaul mod for 3 and 4 add a couple of Infinite weapons like the Mauler and the Plasma Carbine etc

[edgy forum]

I’m about to go jump off a cliff if I see another negative video on why “343 Destroyed Halo” video on YouTube because I’m just tired and want to be hopeful of everything idk. Why is everything online so negative & volatile these days?

[zenith holly]

Probably cause they can't find anything better to do, not to mention they can't play MCC in its current state and can't see themselves playing infinite

[crimson berry]

Hi, has anyone been having issues with quickplay since you updated Nvidia drivers to 560.81? I made a thread on Steam asking about it, someone mentioned quickplay stopped working for them but they don't know it if was the game or drivers. I really want to update them soon, but don't want to mess Halo up.

[analog salmon]

if there was a widespread issue you'd hear about it a week after a driver

i'd say wait a couple weeks to avoid driver issues in general

[crimson berry]

I am waiting, just wanting to see if anyone else was having that issue. I just backed everything up in case I decide to go for it anyway. I need to update them before windows decides to and does it in a way I don't want them done.

[glacial tartan]

It’s intentionally overblown in the messaging though. The games not unplayable, but kind of have to say it is to get any eyes on it. Unfortunate but true.

[civic sundial]

I'm half expecting one of them try and claim something like "343 hacked their own servers to force people to play Infinite" when it's such an illogical thing to do in the first place

[ruby knoll]

people take "hired people who hated halo" at face value with no further thought

even ignoring it just being a kinda 'edgy' phrase for the media to mean 'we wanted an outsider perspective' or 'we wanted people who wanted to do something a bit different', lets look at the logistics

how many people actually hate halo? like not just not caring for it, but hate it to wanting it to fail?

how many of those people have the qualifications to get hired at positions where they'd have impact to do something to make halo fail or whatever?

how many of those people would be willing to work at a halo studio on a halo game project and idk keep their dastardly plans under wraps or whatever

[zenith holly]

By that logic, they're sabotaging one product so they can make people play their other product? What sense does that make?

[ruby knoll]

it'd be easier to just pull mcc's servers than this roundabout nonsense

assuming of course they wanted to do that

like it's not unreasonable to think they want people on infinite

but they're not going to sabotage mcc to that end

[civic sundial]

I despise whenever that quote is brought up and taken at face value. Like, it's ok to have someone who isn't familiar with the thing you're working on. Heck, have the outsider perspective is something I think is useful to have so things don't become stale

[ruby knoll]

yeah, and over the years I do think 343 did some stuff wrong with 4 and whatnot, but not because they hate halo lol

[civic sundial]

Doesn't matter if it makes sense or not to some sadly, see it all too often

[prisma cipher]

Gotta love when people create absurd conspiracy theories about 343.

Some people genuinely thought that the idea of Halo Infinite being a cryptocurrency miner was true lol (and this was back when Halo infinite was new)

[ruby knoll]

sometimes performance issues are just performance issues

[civic sundial]

Aye, like, as much as I enjoy Halo 4, I do think there are some missteps they made, but I still really enjoy what the game offers

[civic sundial]

Never heard that conspiracy before

[ruby knoll]

i think i remember it

i think it was due to the menu gfx having an uncapped framerate

just like StarCraft 2 back in the day, good times

[zenith holly]

Either I'm one of the few sane ones within the halo community or all of the sudden people hated 343 so much they turned into little Alex Jones

[plucky river]

Halo 4 will always be in my top 2 favourite campaigns next to Reach. Still hits the feels now.

As long as Youtube pays ad $ revenue, the videos will keep coming

[warped yew]

Yknow since 3 we haven't really had huge battles in Halo

[plucky river]

This is an interesting subject as R6 has a lot of parallels with this too. I know there are other games too. It's a genre with lacks the charm and comedy of a RLM video.

[warped yew]

Dang :v hope 343 adds some huge battle in the next game

[zenith holly]

Felt like we missed out on one in between infinite and guardians

[wooden briar]

It happened in a book.

[plucky river]

Do you need the same thing in every game? I agree it would have been great to have had the big battle more in the start of Infinite and not have it off screen, but what 343 has provided in terms of fleshed out characters is equally as valuable as a big battle.

[warped yew]

Big battles though :((

Ark: we had a convoy of scorpions and warthogs fighting against waves of ghost, wraiths, and choppers

:(( I want big battle in Halo

[zenith holly]

I guess you're right we don't exactly need the same thing but 1-3 sure felt the same thing.

CE: Get on the ring, encounter flood, warthog run

2:get on a ring, encounter flood again, warthog run

3: get on the same ring from CE, encounter flood again, warthog run again

[warped yew]

2 had a warthog run?

Oh yeah the cut one

That would be interesting, if we had the cut mission.

It would've started with a UNSC warthog run, continued with Covnenant Warthog Run, and ended with a Forerunner Warthog run

Also 343 can get creative with big battles lmao

I just said big battle, not the same story setup lol

[zenith holly]

Truthfully I would've counted the longsword run on halo 4 since it's only purpose of that was just that run and it was the second closest we got to a space battle

[warped yew]

Technically we don't even get to fight other space crafts

[wooden briar]

There's a reason why big battles occupy climactic or other important parts of movies and games: they generally rock and increase the scope of the plot at that point. Infinite not having almost any real moment like that grew a bit long in the tooth for me.

[warped yew]

Just turrets and those orange spheres thingy

[civic sundial]

Halo 5 opens with Osiris dropping in during a large battle and later on has you assisting the Swords of Sanghelios with taking a city from the remnants of Jul's Covenant in a large battle

[warped yew]

Having a bunch of a scenery in the back doesn't count

And having 3 other teammates with you every step of the game also blands the bigger scope so you have to go bigger

[wooden briar]

https://tenor.com/view/halo5spartans-fireteam-osiris-gif-27024036

[warped yew]

I'm also primarily talking about vehicle sections

[zenith holly]

I agree with slipstream on this one, it may not have been as massive as halo 3 but it was a pretty big battle

[zenith holly]

That reminds me since the armor in infinite can't do stuff like this, would it be a downgrade as far as technology goes?

[warped yew]

Yes

[wooden briar]

5's scope was just as big. The difference with Infinite is that those big scope encounters aren't custom-built into the story because it's impossible to do that with an open-world game where you can't guarantee that players will exactly follow a single story line.

[warped yew]

It's made worse by the fact marines can't drive :((

[wooden briar]

Definitely, even just for gameplay. 5 upgraded you to be able to behave like a supersoldier; otherwise, we're just heavily shielded high-jumpers with strong feelings.

[warped yew]

Vehicle sections in infinite kinda suffered from the grapple tbh

[wooden briar]

One of the most glaring omissions from the UNSC Marine curriculum for sure lol

[zenith holly]

I feel bad cause I feel that with halo 3 with your MP spartan is a high jumper and a power walker. Like seriously you complain about sprint in reach but they're using their legs unlike halo 3 Spartans

[warped yew]

Bruh halo don't need sprint

Halo low key fell off when Reach had sprint

[wooden briar]

Yes it does. Shooters are in 2024 now, not Quake days.

[warped yew]

Back when halo didn't chase trends :((

[plucky river]

Infinite has quake 3 /unreal vibes to it. Which I find so appealing.

[zenith holly]

Well if I'm going to run either from enemies or hurry to objective, I'd rather sprint than jog with a gun in my hands

[warped yew]

Tbf

You can strafe decently in halo 1 legendary, halo 2 and halo 3 normal difficulty

And just accommodate the level design for sprint

I mean without sprint

[zenith holly]

Strafing isn't my problem like for example, when you wait for the light bridge to come up after you blew up two scarabs on the covenant mission and when its up you power walk while intense music is playing, it feels so anti climatic

[warped yew]

Bruh

How the mission is focused on stopping truth which we haven't done yet

[zenith holly]

Seriously if we could've sprinted from there we would've saved Johnson and/Keyes faster I'm just saying

[warped yew]

Johnson didn't die in that mission though

And Keyes was already meshed with the gravemind

[zenith holly]

Saved him from captivity at least

Miranda Keyes

[warped yew]

Oh

My bad

[plucky river]

they died because they weren't really well used characters

[warped yew]

Miranda Keyes was just kind of exposition tbh

[prisma cipher]

This wouldn’t work now since almost every first person shooter (including Halo) that has at least some focus on multiplayer requires sprint now, except modern boomer shooters

It’s not like it’s a side feature that could have appeared in just one game and the next one dropped it, it’s almost a core gameplay feature now

[warped yew]

Maybe but sprint never made sense to me in halo

Halo required more methodical approaches and sprint has always been just press button to go faster

[plucky river]

Their deaths just adds value to make the story feel high stakes

[zenith holly]

What doesn't make sense to me about sprint from reach though is that it took a armor ability slot to sprint, like you're gonna take away that slot for jetpack or armor lock just so you can move more faster with your legs?

[warped yew]

Well I guess I don't care to be honest

I like infinite sprint because it's more than just press 1 button to go faster

There's actual movement tech in using it

I forgot which game announced this but they said they were making sprint omni directional which I like