halo-discussion

[misty vale]

I think that map is fun the perch is good and you can go under

[spare finch]

tbh I find it annoying in halo infinite how you can't do firefight solo (which is better for grinding and enjoyment)

[serene wing]

so have 343 or Microsoft fixed the capability of 120 fps on the Xbox one s and project Scorpios? are they able to do this so that regular plays can get the experience of 120 fps even at a lower level Xbox (performance mode on Xbox recommendation)

[spare finch]

I haven't tried it on s, but ik series x is capped at 60 for some stupid reason (it's supposed to be powerful in terms of performance and rtx)

[coarse dagger]

I don't think 120fps is possible on those consoles, certainly wouldn't be updatea for them at this stage

[finite prawn]

i can help

[rose urchin]

YOOO halo getting a networking overhaul

[low blaze]

If multiplayer is canon in 343s games does that mean all forge maps are also canon?

[wide trout]

It's all simulated

I'm sure most maps aren't even actual places in the first place

[low blaze]

Yeah but I'm questioning why they'd need to train in the backrooms

[slim flint]

you never know

[onyx latch]

Varied combat environments and practicing engagement muscle memory.

[rugged quartz]

no

[flat delta]

the forerunners are not dead

[celest heron]

does the keep it steady achievement in infinite need to be done in co-op? it's where you kill 5 enemies with the sniper from a vehicle.

I sniped 7 from a gungoose on legendary, but it didn't pop. wondering if maybe seat switching would count as leaving a vehicle.

[civic sundial]

Doesn't the achievement description mention it's co-op only?

[random rain]

Is infinite servers having any issues? Ping is really high in every match for me and a friend

[twin crag]

new HCS bundles do be lookin nice

[twin crag]

depends on time and population, but also sometimes yes

[quasi nexus]

i am also having long queues for matches. like 3 to 5 minutes

[twin crag]

population 🤷‍♂️

[spare finch]

somehow managed to get 5k score perfection in firefight

[spare finch]

ping will get better on the march update (hopefully)

[twin crag]

I don't think ping will get better,
ping will probably remain the same but the weird increases would probably decrease and the desync

but I could be totally wrong

[opal ice]

I have to point this out to 343i if you "Add New Maps" by removing the old one that is not adding but replacing and while fine for a few weeks as people get use to them but in the long run is not going to solve the issue of playing on the same map back-to-back-to-back and give the variety that the fans want, need and deserve so please for the love of the Mantle don't just keep replacing or rotating map to each Playlist!

[celest heron]

I didn't see it, but it was in the co-op area on the list so wasn't sure. edit: I looked into it and it is a co-op cheevo.

[zenith scarab]

I don’t think anything changes in the next update maybe it gets more worse

[random rain]

why is every match 300+ ping

[ember belfry]

So I made a custom Firefight match by overriding enemy spawn points and individually picking every enemy in each of the custom waves. The first five waves were going great but then something weird happened, every following wave consisted of just two grunts. This was anti-climactic to say the least because we had 15 people inside the hill and we had just been fighting waves of hunters and brute warriors. Why would the game start spawning grunts like that?

[ashen atlas]

The yappening

[serene wing]

so for just project Scorpio I need the dev team to make it 120 fps playable

it's capable outside of halo and is 4k capable

can someone make this happen for the 19th update?

[ruby knoll]

wat

[coarse dagger]

While the One X supports 120Hz refresh rates, it doesn't support games running at 120fps

Only the Series S and X support that

[serene wing]

they should be able to patch that somehow for one s

just project scorpio

[coarse dagger]

Considering this is in less than 2 days, no

[serene wing]

it could be done

[coarse dagger]

You can't just "patch" it, that's not how it works

One S and One X are just not powerful enough to support it

You need the Series line of consoles

Or a PC

[rugged quartz]

You know, calling it one x is probably better for everyone than calling it project Scorpio

[serene wing]

For just the game itself it's possible, the project x Scorpio should be able to handle it

!op

[rose drum]

So.

Why is Halo 5 really hated?

I know the Multiplayer was pay to win, but I don't know the rest.

[onyx latch]

Because people got way too attached to marketing material and struggled to really 'get' the story. It actually makes a lot of sense under scrutiny, and IMO is above Halo's average standard, but the damage is done.

It also had about 6-odd years of negative press via nostalgia brigading.

It also made some further unpopular decisions that were ultimately nonfactors (Most of the things people considered big deals are actually still in Infinite, in form and function) but are still considered factors today.

[rose void]

LISTEN LORE PEOPLE. I might sound crazy but I heard a lightning sound effect bungie used in halo reach. This movie came out before reach. Any chance this movie has any secrets to the halo lore like the odst levels to hell. I could be high as hell just thought it would be info someone could uses idk. I know my halo ight they were all the same order they are in the mission new Alexandrea it made my head pop up because I knew the sounds thought someone was loaded into my fav mission

[onyx latch]

uh

[onyx latch]

Also, its MP wasn't pay to win. Not sure how that rumor's so persistent even today.

It had a lootbox system, but payment was optional outside of specific paid-only crates that were not randomized and gave you exactly what was on the tin.

I literally acknowledged the req pack system exactly one message down.

More confused about the continued insistence nearly a decade later over the req system being "P2W" despite being incredibly ineffecient. It's closer to pay to progress or straight up just a boring unlock system if you don't play Warzone.

[ashen atlas]

Not the mp as a whole. But warzone was pay to win imo

You could load your inventory with good equipment that could be purchased. To me, that’s pay to win

[onyx latch]

"I paid for a Hannibal Scorpion!"

The guy who only paid for the game currently about to hit you with a Selene's Lance he got from a rankup Req two matches ago:

https://tenor.com/view/stunt-chair-bathtub-ow-ouch-gif-20607254

You also couldn't use the strongest Reqs unless your team was already doing well. Which, IMO, was a balancing problem in the same vein of CoD's scorestreaks, but w/e.

[ashen atlas]

Yeah, but you could load the inventory up with purchasing. Otherwise you had to be selective of when to use it

[onyx latch]

Still don't think that's really the same as P2W tbh.

I have well over four dozen high level Wraiths at level 121, and I exclusively played WZFF for years; I never spent a dime on REQs.

I actively only have to decide which warthogs I am going to sell (all of them)

[ashen atlas]

Fair enough. It definitely walks an interesting line

[rose drum]

Another question:
I know Halo 2 is really hard on Legendary and LASO.
But is it really hard on Heroic and below?

[onyx latch]

Yes.

It's certainly harder than 3, but 3's honestly the easiest Halo by a country mile.

[celest heron]

you might get a good k/d, but it's not gonna do much if you're on a crap team. A balanced match could have more weight to that argument, but then you'd have to go into a bunch of stats which would be impossible to find out now to see if that was even true. generally, I think it wasn't pay to win.

[random rain]

Is there anything on optimisation patches coming for infinite? Game is 2 years old or so now but still runs poorly compared to others on mid range GPUS without stuff like setting minimum fps to 60 which makes the game not look as sharp

[thorn sierra]

Just got crashed again at a halo 3 fat kid custom game again, had to restart my pc bc my screen freezed

[ashen atlas]

Team comp is a fair point

[serene wing]

someone put the update in for 120 fps update on project Scorpio 🙂

[tulip tusk]

ok i will

[crystal iron]

people think Big Team is Competitive i swear

[viral river]

I was sent a package with a strange triangle symbol with a circle and says section 3 under it

What do I do

[crystal iron]

open it

[viral river]

It says <<top secret>> <<eyes only>> <<codeword required>>

[tulip tusk]

i totally forget when is that forge update with Flood stuff coming?

[night thorn]

Is leaked armor allowed to be talked about here

like armor that is assumably coming out next month

[frosty condor]

Nope

Only discussion allowed about future content is if it’s officially announced by 343i

[night thorn]

thought so, just wanted to double check

[frosty condor]

If you’re wondering what you can or can’t post, take a gander at the #rules-and-guidelines 🙂

[night thorn]

gotcha, i'll remember that for next time 👍

[coarse dagger]

You have been told multiple times this is not possible

[thorn sierra]

What halo campaign is better for beginners at the mcc with heroic difficulty?

[sullen owl]

Play through in release order, that's all. The mechanics build on each other as you go.

[snow dock]

whatever happened to the halo ce, 2, & 3 demos being added to mcc from digsite?

[glacial tartan]

https://github.com/digsite You can see progress on their github (and also occassionally some posts on Twitter)

[red tulip]

what is an "eneny" for this halo infinite weekly challenge? i just went quick husky raid game and got 2 S7 sniper headshots on the enemy team, and the quest didnt get completed. Was i supposed to get a scoped-in headshot? both of them were noscopes so that could be the problem

[magic night]

Maybe. I think it's only counting the Snipe medal.

[quasi shard]

Either CE or Halo 3, both were built with new players in mind (CE being the first game in the series makes a lot of the fearures missing from later entries less jarring and more organic for when they are introduced, Halo 3 being the first game on the next gen console at a time when newcomers were priority for most studios concluding trilogies)

[unique ocean]

Is Halo infinite over

like no more seasons or updates?

[quasi shard]

Yes, but also no

Seasons are dead, and a lot of the changes they're making feels like what they did to MCC post-season 8

[coarse dagger]

#announcements message

[quasi shard]

That said, just like Post Season 8 MCC: they never actually stated anywhere that they're done with the game, just that development is slowing down in some areas so they can focus on getting out of the rut the studio was stuck in around 2021

(Sadly MCC is currently sitting in a development stasis like Valve's Left 4 Dead 2; where updates and content releases are still on the table, but no plans have been set as to when they'll proceed with them)

[civic sundial]

I'm holding out hope for a 10th anniversary update for MCC which serves as a celebration of how far the MCC has come

[unique ocean]

is MCC still active

Like are there many players

[celest heron]

yes. just don't expect to find games in every playlist.

[tulip tusk]

hello brother

[unique ocean]

What the heck

That's hecking crazy

[signal ivy]

[unique ocean]

I did not realize how popular the image was

[civic sundial]

[fiery pewter]

I'm asking cuz i bought a gaming pc today and i'm dying to try that mod

[signal ivy]

can't talk about that here

[topaz summit]

To be honest social invasion isnt even close to how fun normal invasion was, when it still was alive

[cold imp]

Wouldn’t know, picked up Halo last summer

[regal rock]

Did Infinite ever get a Firefight mode?

I don't really know how much PvP I can stomach these days but I'm willing to fight an endless hoard of the Covenant with the bros

[waxen stratus]

get halo mcc

[regal rock]

Yeah I have that too, don't really know how big the playerbase is on PC anymore

[coarse dagger]

Infinite has a version of Firefight called Firefight: King of the Hill. A custom version of Firefight without hill control is coming on Tuesday

[waxen stratus]

still a pretty large playerbase

[coarse dagger]

#announcements

[waxen stratus]

average of around 3k to 5k on steam and thats just on pc

[regal rock]

Halo Reach is a little confusing now

The progression isn't like how it was on the 360. Isn't it a battlepass?

[waxen stratus]

a free one

[regal rock]

I'll have to look into it at some point

I remember when Reach was added to the MCC, and I played a little on the Xbone version

It was a pretty rough launch

Halo 3 seems a lot different too. Lots of weird 343 armor sets that don't fit the art style

Wasn't Infinite meant to get a new story DLC lol

[ruby lake]

i guess

[regal rock]

It's been a while since I last played the Infinite MP, I remember it being fun, but not enough meat on them bones yet

[ruby lake]

(i dont think that 10 year plan worked out)

[signal ivy]

no story DLC was ever announced

[young glen]

No?

[signal ivy]

they never even said they were making campaign DLC

[regal rock]

I don't think anything about Infinite worked out lol

[ruby lake]

except the rock textures

[regal rock]

343 really worked hard on those rocks

I might give it a reinstall at some point

See if anything has changed since I last played it a year or so ago

[ruby lake]

uhhhh lets see

[regal rock]

What happened around New Years?

I'm seeing a massive player spike around then on Steam.

[ruby lake]

new gamemodes
new armor cores
forge update
seasons have been replaced with "events"

[regal rock]

MCC has more current players than Infinite, but I guess that's being split between 4 different games

Mostly 3 and Reach

Last time I played Infinite, armor customization was locked to all kinds of different cores and stuff

Nothing felt better than unlocking something for an armor I don't like

Really made the grind worth it, ya know

[young glen]

Yeah on Steam.

But it's likely that Infinite has more players overall, as Halo is ranked like... 20-ish on Xbox most played and MCC doesn't rank at all.

EDIT: Never mind, MCC is ~32. It was off the charts for a while there. 🙂

[ruby lake]

since seasons arent comin back

i spent the last 1k credits on a armor coating that's a cross-coating

[regal rock]

Wait, there's no seasons?

Like battlepass seasons? How is that gonna work out for them lol

I only ever bought whatever the first pass was

Battlepasses stink, but if we're gonna be in this future for the next couple years at least Infinite made it so you can just play it whenever and don't have massive FOMO like Fortnite does

[ruby lake]

not anymore

MUAHHAHAAHHAHHHAHA

[regal rock]

Didn't they try giving the MP a narrative?

I guess that failed hard lol

[young glen]

Might work out better for them.
Smaller in scale and more frequent. Requires 500 credits for access outside their designated periods (4-6 weeks) and an exclusive cosmetic. Might give them more revenue.

[regal rock]

Oh

Did they ever fix the BTB random modes thing?

[waxen stratus]

agreed

[young glen]

Updates since have been frequent map additions, but no new weapons or vehicles. Not much of a change from seasons tbh.
Modes are something that seasons brought, so I'd like to them see added in their updates.

[regal rock]

Last time I tried it would always put me in rockets only matches and core collecting matches. It sucked

[ruby lake]

most of their plans crashed down

i wont be surprised if events ended too

[waxen stratus]

canceled due to $$$

[young glen]

If you're asking if matchmaking still puts you in playlists with a random selection of modes and map combos, then yes, that's still there. The core mode is gone, as far as I know. I don't play BTB...

[ruby lake]

20-tier having
low-worth items having

[young glen]

Match composer is on the way, but I'm not sure how it'll differ exactly. I imagine it'll be like MCC.

[regal rock]

I remember Infinite in general feeling really good, and even playing with a controller on PC wasn't totally unplayable like it feels like on the MCC

Not even just with a controller, playing natively on Steam Deck lol

[waxen stratus]

whats wrong with mcc pc on controller?

[regal rock]

I don't think the game matches you based on input, or the game just has far more MKB users

Sometimes I just get in matches where I am just totally steam rolled

But that could also be rank related matchmaking issues

[waxen stratus]

same

[regal rock]

I'm also not fully utilizing the Deck's built in gyro most of the time, so that doesn't help much either

[copper badger]

Let me start by saying like so many of you I grew up on Halo 1-3. After that I switched to PlayStation and didn’t really seek out the rest of the series because I heard they were nothing special. Well today I decided to play through halo 4 with an open mind to give it a fair chance. Let me tell you I am extremely disappointed. While there was some plot points that kept me going such as the love story between Cortana and the chef, overall I felt the story was weak and an insult to the halo universe.

[ruby knoll]

ok

[regal rock]

Shocker, Halo 4 is a little mid

I like the dircection they started to take Chief in, before making it so much worse in 5

[junior haven]

how do i invite a friend to play halo 4 campaign using steam

[regal rock]

All that work to kill Cortana, revive her, kill her off screen, and give Chief a new cortana who is nearly an exact clone?

[copper badger]

Exactly! Not to play favorites but the chef and Cortana did a fantastic job and had me laughing at some points but the story and the didac or whatever he’s called was a terrible protagonist

We see him once in the beginning and he plays with us like a toy instead of killing us and then there’s not even a boss fight at the end I’m like is this a joke this is the actual game lol

[regal rock]

He was cool, i thought

[copper badger]

I didn’t dislike his character at all. He could have been awesome if we saw more of him and there was more buildup to get the player more invested

The prophets for example we saw throughout the campaign

There was only 2 cutscenes either him in it

With*

[ruby knoll]

protagonist
i don't think you paid attention... among other things

[tulip tusk]

im sure he means antagonist he just mixed up the 2 words

[rugged quartz]

Not to mention how terrible a boss fight with an actual forerunner would be

[ruby lake]

screaming in public restrooms prank

[copper badger]

Please do tell

[regal rock]

HellDivers 2 somehow reviving Halo ODST in the gaming culture was an interesting choice

I should try and finish that game

[ruby knoll]

i don't think that's happening outside of mostly halo spaces, and even then helldivers is at most, vaguely aesthetically similar

[white birch]

It's formed it's own interest circle

[tulip tusk]

yea its cool

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[fallow merlin]

Halo 4 was a massive downgrade. The worst Halo game imo. (Yes - worse than 5).

I didn’t even like the Chief and Cortana story that many praise

I thought it was melodramatic and overdone. Just like everything else that once had subtlety in the series which 4 ruined. Like the Forerunners.

Art style, music, story, AI, attention to detail - all drastically reduced. I still think it’s a good game. But it doesn’t hold a candle to the Bungie games.

[waxen stratus]

Don't let the 343 staff hear you

They be acting like ONI around here

[coarse dagger]

🤨

[mortal pebble]

I love that by winning one match in Infinite im matched with people in onyx or smurf accounts that are less than 24 hours old

[waxen stratus]

Crap

Oni is good tho. Oni did nothing wrong

[white birch]

If you listen closely you can hear a reporter screaming his lungs out somewhere inside an asteroid

[white birch]

I think you mean "gave them teeth and freaky stuff like the Composer, one of the best superweapons in fictional history"

Seriously how has no one thought of recycling the casualties of their weapon?

Not to mention it leaves inferstructure intact for later use

[tulip tusk]

i think infinite forge roasted my poor lil gpu for a couple minutes

[waxen stratus]

Hopefully won't be me

[ruby knoll]

melodramatic and overdone... something that never happened in halo before 4, yes so true

[fallow merlin]

It’s a cool idea. But it’s executed poorly. Bad crooked rotten teeth.

[fallow merlin]

What examples would you give of Halo being melodramatic and overdone in the Bungie days to the same extent of Halo 4?

Before Halo 4 the games didn’t take themselves very seriously. They were goofy. They were written in house by the developers. They left the attempts at epic sci fi to books. They weren’t trying to make high art. Halo 4 takes itself way too seriously imo.

[ruby knoll]

ce wasn't written in house

anyways, Halo 3's writing

tries too hard constantly

[fallow merlin]

Joseph Staten wrote it. He was part of Bungie, was he not?

[ruby knoll]

CE's script was written by Microsoft's writers

[onyx latch]

AC's right. Little known factoid about CE.

Microsoft basically had their writers do the majority of the script as part of a deal to get Bungie to sign onto having a book deal (Fall of Reach).

[fallow merlin]

My post just got deleted and I don’t even know why. Welp

[onyx latch]

It's weird that halopedia lists Joseph Staten despite him not actually writing the majority of the script.

[ruby knoll]

also i mean, 4 was written 'in house' too, so I don't know what that angle is getting at. Also not taking themselves seriously? Reach says hi

[onyx latch]

Anyways, Eric Trautmann, Matt Soell, and Brannon Boren were the ones behind the majority of CE's dialogue script.

I assume Staten's involvement was mostly broad strokes.

[fallow merlin]

I agree Halo 3 has some writing blemishes but overall the game is goofy so it doesn’t come off as cringe when the writing doesn’t land. Completely different tone. Whereas Halo 4 is this big soap opera in space.

[onyx latch]

Eh.

[ruby knoll]

some of halo 3's many mistakes were meant to make the player feel "high stakes" so

[fallow merlin]

Didn’t know that. But there wasn’t much of a script to begin with.

Halo was never much of a story. It was atmosphere, gameplay, music - etc. But CE doesn’t have much of a story. And that is to its credit, because it built mystique and intrigue. Sometimes less is more.

[onyx latch]

Less is more, but I'd rather have a surplus than a famine.

[crystal iron]

i mianly just miss how creepy halo used to be in some parts

like luminous spaces and overall tone and atmosphere

there are some goofy moments but something about the OG triliogy hit different

[fallen flame]

I wonder if we gonna get any more dev maps from 343 or has it completely switched to forge maps now

[crystal iron]

halo 2 remastered music is so goat too

i also miss the flood

[ruby knoll]

part of the intrigue was why a clearly built structure was called a cave! The answer was that bungie didn't let microsoft's writers actually see the game they had to write for

[crystal iron]

gimme more flood, but i doubt 343 will give us it besides dangling it on a fishrod with mentions of it

[onyx latch]

The flood are a literal narrative tumor, unfortunately.

[crystal iron]

yeah i agree

its mostly copium on my part

[onyx latch]

They're too strong and too consistent of a threat to be thrown out without their handling borderline breaking SoD (Oh, hello Awakening the Nightmare, please go away)

[crystal iron]

i really like halo infinite compared to halo 4 ( have not played 5 )

[fallow merlin]

The angle I’m getting at is that there’s a big difference between hiring writers and having games written by developers.

Writers want to make a name for themseleves. They have a vision. They aren’t as well acquainted with the vision of the developers. So there’s a clash. When the people who write the game are the people who understand the level design and such - the story is generally implemented better.

I agree with Reach they started taking themselves more seriously. But it’s not overly dramatic. If anything it’s kind of generic.

[crystal iron]

its like goofy and serious, but it def doesnt hit like OG games did for me

[onyx latch]

5's pretty good. Gets a way worse rap than it deserves.

[ruby knoll]

it's hilarious you mention that, because that kind of clash is exactly what happened with CE!

[crystal iron]

i sadly cant play due to being on PC so i dont think ill ever play it anytime soon unless i emulate it

[ruby knoll]

Bungie, for no reason other than being petulant, literally did not let the writers view the game they had to write for

[onyx latch]

At absolute worst I'd say it's like, a CoD MW3 (the OG, not the new one) level story. Not really bad, but not really exceptionally good either.

[crystal iron]

i dont think halo 5 will get pc port

[fallow merlin]

Part of the charm of old games.

[ruby knoll]

I don't count "being extremely poor and weird coworkers" as charming but different strokes I guess

[fallow merlin]

Do you have an actual source for that or is that an assumption?

[ruby knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbhoNpcXZ_k

[onyx latch]

No, that's actually hard confirmed by the same-Yeah that interview.

It's been cross-confirmed before IIRC.

CE's narrative development was... Whew. Smelled rotten.

[ruby knoll]

on the other hand, 2's game development didnt smell like a garden of roses

what's that thing people say? bu steps forward, ngie steps backward

[fallow merlin]

I can’t watch that atm but I wouldn’t take one guys word for it.

I’m not particularly interested in a moral debate about the ethics of how the games were made. Sometimes people have to work hard. Nothing wrong with that.

[fallow merlin]

No one says that

[ruby knoll]

I don't know what work you do, but in the fields i've worked in, being hard to work with is considered 'not ideal'

besides, it's well known that bungie despised having to work with microsoft, and that the books got made. It's why they made a weird retcon of TFoR

[fallow merlin]

Never noticed the cave thing back in the day until I saw the developers themselves make a big deal out of it. And I don’t even consider the line that out of place.

But it’s a great meme so….

Back in the day, no one cared about this stuff. No one nerded out on lore. We understood we were playing a silly game where we shot aliens. It didn’t take itself seriously and we didn’t take it seriously. No deep questions about Cheif’s humanity or his love story with his Siri. The story was exactly what it needed to be - basically nothing. And it was still ten times better than Halo 4. Imo.

To each their own.

[ruby knoll]

ah, the Carmack school of game writing

was it carmack? I don't know. Something about pants

I guess it's pretty convenient to be able to sweep everything under the rug when you can just say "oh it's not supposed to be serious"

[onyx latch]

I wished for deeper meaning in games back then, and generally preferred the ones with a deeper meaning or harder emotional core.

It's why I think Modern Warfare 2 is a better story than the entire Halo OT combined.

Despite being really big, and kinda dumb, it hit way harder, and that's what I value over 'funny shooty game'.

If you're gonna make a 'funny shooter game', you might as well not even bother with the pretense of a galactic war. Just throw everyone in an arena and have em fight to death for fun and profit.

Own that philosophy.

[fallow merlin]

I care about the game. I’m not interested in a debate about the ethics of how it was made. That doesn’t change the final product. People work bad jobs all the time.

I actually do recommend it. Builds character. But maybe it’s not ideal. I’m not here to argue about Bungie as a company and who treats their employees better. I’ve heard some bad stories about 343i as well, but I don’t care about those either. It’s all hearsay and irrelevant.

[ruby knoll]

Halo 2's crunch isn't really hearsay

and 'builds character' is a load of crap

[crystal iron]

i loved playing the arbiter in halo 2

was so based

[tulip tusk]

yea i liked having grunt and hunter buddies

[fallow merlin]

It’s an opinion dude. You’re more than welcome to your own.

I think CE has a great story. And yes - it’s not supposed to be serious. It’s full of jokes and silliness.

And clearly 343i learned something by adding a lot of that back into Infinite.

[ruby knoll]

plus, it does matter. Perhaps if Halo 2 was overseen better, the actual game portion may have turned out better

[fallow merlin]

Yes, working hard under pressure and adversity builds character. It’s called “work” for a reason. And no one is forced to be there.

The same could be said for 343i and their horrible mismanagement of Infinite and their hiring of contractors and all the different allegations of upper management being terrible.

I don’t care about any of it. That’s none of my business. The product is the product. Moralizing aboit it won’t change that. Halo 2 and Halo Infinite and all the games really - could have been better. But they are what they are. And arguing about how the employees were treated when none of us were there isn’t really a debate about the games. It’s a separate subject. And even if I conceded that they were treated horribly (which may or may not be true) I just don’t see how that really matters.

[onyx latch]

Not all built character is created equal.

That's something most people I've met who believe that statement don't actually realize. You can build character by going to a casino and developing a gambling addiction just as easily as you can build character building a house.

[fallow merlin]

The Pyramids were built by slaves. They’re still amazing works of architecture. I can say that while simultaneously saying that slavery is wrong.

[onyx latch]

Just because you built something under extreme adversity does not mean you built good character through the act.

[earnest basalt]

What conversation have I just walked into?

[onyx latch]

Especially when people's love lives and home lives were actively harmed.

[fallow merlin]

Sure. I don’t dispute that.

[earnest basalt]

This convo went from halo 2 to slavery lmao.

[onyx latch]

It didn't.

[fallow merlin]

That may be true. In which case that’s sad. But am I actually supposed to like the games less because of it?

[ruby knoll]

I'm sorry to hear you support bad working conditions for some delusion of 'building character', and I hope you change and grow as a person. Also lol at the contractors thing as if you or 99% of the fanbase who gurgles out that bit cares. Microsoft uses contractors for decades. The industry uses contractors.

[fallow merlin]

The point was that you can simultaneously enjoy and appreciate something while also acknowledging that thing was made in a not ethically ideal way,

[onyx latch]

I don't think so. I do think you should keep it in mind for the purposes of understanding the game's place.

[earnest basalt]

Ok, thanks for catching me up.

[ruby knoll]

i think how a product is made can in fact, affect the end result

[onyx latch]

Don't think anyone's denying that.

[ruby knoll]

for example, if a development team were to spend most of its time on a fake demo for E3, that may not leave enough time for the real game to be made

Or, if the developers of a game, none in particular mind you, were to prevent the writers from seeing the scenes they were writing for, that may lead to discrepancies between the writing and the scene

[fallow merlin]

There’s no need to be condescending and rude or to attack my moral character. Calm down. It’s a conversation about a video game, no need to be dramatic.

I never said I support bad working conditions.

My point wasn’t that using contractors is bad. It doesn’t even seem like you’re familiar with what I’m talking about. They hired contractors to work on the spaghetti code and then by the time they figured it out their contract was up, no one in the studio understood what they had done. Which is why I was saying the game could have been overseen better. I never said I was against contractors. There are also many other complaints about management treating employees badly.

Also it’s funny how you accuse me of caring about it when my entire point was that I DON’T care about it whether it’s Bungie or 343i. It’s a little weird how you have all this criticism for Bungie and yet there’s a double standard for 343i. Im totally uninterested in a debate about which company is better. I enjoy all of 343i’s games especially Infinite. And I don’t have any loyalty to Bungie. It’s silly to be this passionate about companies you don’t work for (unless you do?)

[fallow merlin]

Of course it can. But you seem to be making the argument that it should effect our opinions of the end result as opposed to letting the result speak for itself.

[ruby knoll]

I know exactly what you're talking about and it's the same drivel that gets regurgitated. Contractors were hired for many positions, but 343 also had and has many FTEs. Microsoft's policies allocate 18 months to a single contract before needing 6 months off. Depending on what exactly the contractors were doing, be it art, testing, etc, 18 months is a lot of time.

[fallow merlin]

Bungie was run chaotically. We all know it.

And they made one of the best selling franchises of all time and they’re the reason we are all here. So it seems weird to have so much hatred for them. As opposed to gratitude?

[ruby knoll]

I credit microsoft's marketing team for the massive sales actually

[fallow merlin]

I credit 343i.

[ruby knoll]

and without microsoft, we would've gotten some weird RTS for the Mac

[fallow merlin]

Do you like Halo CE-Reach?

[earnest basalt]

So I’ve been reading this chat for a while and figured I’d offer some additional notes:

1. Bungie was, according to many other studios, awful to work with if you were outside their studio. This is due to bungie literally not allowing anyone outside of a small handful of Microsoft people even being allowed to see them or their work. This is proven in how bungie refused to allow crossovers, and the one time they did (some fighting game I can’t remember the name of, if somebody knows it, let me know) they made the stupid concession that they aren’t allowed to use master chief. And even refused to work with the studio behind the first halo wars game, which inevitably led to the studio’s closure.
2. A lot of bungie’s halo games were rushed, and have a lot of cut content. You can actually see this through their map file names on halopedia, as their file numbers jump all over the place. An example of this is in halo 3, where the mission “the covenant” was actually meant to be 3 different missions in different locations. But had to be cut down to 1 due to time constraints.
3. A lot of halo infinites problems were caused (indirectly) by contractors. The game was massively behind schedule due to the slip space engine, the engine the game was run on, being outsourced. This meant that a lot of the developers internally at 343i had no idea how to make certain changes, leading to a straight year without any content.

Now to be fair, I know most of this from memory, so if you know a source that says I’m wrong, let me know.

[fallow merlin]

So why exactly do you trust Bungie employees when they say things were run poorly but you don’t trust 343i employees, contractors, and numerous game journalists who say the same about Infinite?

You don’t seem like you’re interested in a legitimate unbiased conversation. Just attacks on Bungie and praise of 343i. And I’m not interested in that. I want to talk about HALO. Not corporations and virtue signals about workplace environments.

[onyx latch]

Not even really a devil's advocate statement when I say this but more an acknowledgement of the situation; Bad press for 343i sells regardless of veracity.

[fallow merlin]

I’d say management - not so much the contractors - were the problem. But yeah

[onyx latch]

There is a stronger onus on belief for current day statements of 343i's actual situation due to how recent it is, how deeply entrenched the negative press for them is, and how popular it is to hate on them. Ergo, there is a steeper burden of proof compared to the more heavily and closely documented and openly acknowledged development woes of Bungie, which has been extensively covered but far less heavily acknowledged in a way that is actually period-relevant to Halo's day.

[ruby knoll]

numerous game journalists being just jason kotakuman? Game journalists, notoriously trustworthy lot. I believe things went wrong during development, but also the community has little knowledge of how game development works, and plays telephone constantly

[earnest basalt]

Sorry, I meant to say that. It’s just how microsoft would assign contractors, let them go, and need to re-contract them to fix if anything broke.

[fallow merlin]

Well it goes without saying something went wrong in the development and that is someone’s fault. The delays, cut content, longest time to release a game, etc.

If all these employees on twitter and articles, etc are saying management does a poor job (and a bunch of them lost their jobs - for a reason) I think any reasonable person can trust it’s probably true

[onyx latch]

I reiterate this statement.

[ruby knoll]

lost their jobs
reminder that Kiki Wolfkill got promoted :3

[fallow merlin]

And I reiterate this one

[ruby knoll]

also, people who get fired don't get access to microsoft related events generally

[fallow merlin]

I wasn’t referring to her

[rose urchin]

Yall is the new halo infinite update out yet?

[ruby knoll]

it's not the 19th yet in 343land

[rose urchin]

Oh ok

[ruby knoll]

you'll need to wait ~14 hours

[earnest basalt]

I’m not sure one way or the other if that’s true, but I do question it on the grounds of them needing to tweet out a statement that “343 isn’t going anywhere”.

[rose urchin]

Dang ok

[onyx latch]

It's pretty damn easy to prove.

Just a cursory search of articles relating to 343i related Halo proves it.

[hearty basin]

Is it true halo 7 is being developed as of rn?

[onyx latch]

Not that Bungie never got bad press, they absolutely did-but relevant to their halo days? Not much.

[ruby knoll]

Was 343's management perfect? Probably not, like any other management. Did the ex-kotaku game journalist dumb down details for easier consumption? Based on my knowledge of Microsoft policy and how development works, yes

oh also the fact that 343 has FTEs

[onyx latch]

Not known.

[earnest basalt]

That’s just publicity though. I’m talking player numbers and sales, the numbers that actually matter in a games success.

[fallow merlin]

Why is it so hard to objectively say that both Bungie and 343i have had issues with game development?

Are we really trying to make the argument that MCC and Infinite were managed in a great way?

My entire point is that this stuff doesn’t even matter much as far as our opinions of the actual product, but the double standard is ridiculous.

[tulip tusk]

Man I want pepperoni pizza now...

[onyx latch]

I've never said they both were infallible.

[earnest basalt]

I’m sorry I have that affect on people.

[onyx latch]

Not really relevant to the conversation, considering we're talking about management disposition and overall perception as companies, not product sales.

To my knowledge, 343i's Halo games have consistently sold well, but not exactly stunningly compared to competition on a per-unit basis.

[earnest basalt]

Fair point. Still I have a hard time believing it one way or another, due to me just not trusting terrible clickbait articles.

[onyx latch]

It's good not to trust those.

[earnest basalt]

But again, you make a fair point

[onyx latch]

Some of the articles I've seen about them literally stem from one guy posting an uncited tweet. Gaming journalism is really not to be trusted on the subject of competence.

[smoky stone]

The days of full price games selling well are going to continue on a downward trent due to free to play games and microtransactions/battle passes. The exceptions are going to be the huge feature-length games like your Elden Rings and GTAs.

[onyx latch]

We know something's not great, but the actual nature, scale, and origin is pretty damn hard to know properly.

[ruby knoll]

isn't GTAO full of mtx

[onyx latch]

Yes.

[smoky stone]

yeah, the online portion

[onyx latch]

GTAO basically fully funded GTAVI and made Rockstar one of the most bloated checkbooks in the industry last I checked.

[earnest basalt]

I swear Jason schreier carries the entire gaming journalism industry on his back… unintentionally might I add.

[fallow merlin]

Regardless of both Halo 2 and Infinite being managed poorly - they’re both great games imo. And that’s what actually matters in a HALO discussion (not a Bungie/343i or workplace ethics discussion). You could tell me every copy of Halo 4 sold equaled a donation to bring sight to blind children and I’d say - “great - I’ll buy several!” But the game would still be a major step down from what came before. In my opinion. And that’s what this all boils down to - opinion. If you like your Halo games as serious indulgent sci fi epic love stories and you think Halo 4 nailed that - all the more power to you.

[smoky stone]

I think the last Halo game I played all the way through was Halo 3, and it wasn't all that great.

[ruby knoll]

I like halo games as games and i think strict adherance to some percieved ideal of 'real halo' is limiting

[smoky stone]

Many of these Halo campaigns are not very intriguing

[earnest basalt]

Imma be honest, I just jumped into this convo cause I love talking about the development of halo games for some unexplainable reason.

[onyx latch]

I mean, basically? Yeah. A fear of innovation is just kneecapping yourself.

[smoky stone]

HCE, H2, and H3 were decent, with HCE having one of the best campaigns.

[onyx latch]

The problem with innovation is that people don't really understand what innovation can be.

[ruby knoll]

also at this point all the low hanging fruit has been picked twice over. Halo could more easily innovate before there were a hundred other FPSes in the market

[smoky stone]

Innovating in today's gaming industry costs a lot of money, and if they can produce minimum content for a larger return on investment through MTX, then why innovate?

[fallow merlin]

I don’t think Halo 4 and 5 are not real Halo. They clearly are real Halo. I just think they were poorly done in comparison to the other games. And I think 343i themselves basically conceded that with Infinite.

[onyx latch]

Even original Halo didn't innovate very much, because many of the ideas it used to innovate were cribbed from other popular franchises.

[ruby knoll]

Infinite was good but the excessive nostalgiabait took it a step down

[smoky stone]

HCE likely drew its inspiration from Quake 3.

[onyx latch]

Infinite actually borrows 5's bones very heavily in all but some select visual identity.

[ruby knoll]

for example, changing the line 'We need to fight' to 'I need a weapon' was such a downgrade

[earnest basalt]

Alright hot take: I like halo 4. Yeah it has a lot of problems, but I do hold it in the same regard as the bungie games.

Can’t swear on this server pal. It’s dumb I know.

[fallow merlin]

Nothing wrong with talking about the development.

It’s just that I was trying to discuss the games and why H4 is my least favorite - and then it became a debate about workplace morality and my moral character as if that’s supposed to make me change my mind about the terrible art style, melodramatic story, bad music, etc.

[onyx latch]

Seriously, it even kept ADS.

[ruby knoll]

i miss 5's ADS views

[dusty sand]

Halo 4 put a nice bowtie on the previous trilogy... Right before Halo 5 desecrated it.

[ruby knoll]

though I do like using the visor for certain weapons

[onyx latch]

Nah, I think 5 actually improved 4's ending.

People were just too wrapped up in misery to realize it.

People throw around words like 'character assassination' without knowing Cortana's character whatsoever.

[crystal iron]

since the flood update thing, ive noticed alot of improvement from 343

was this due to new managment? im not really caught up with things

[onyx latch]

Maybe, maybe not. Some was indev.

[ruby knoll]

there's significant lag time for certain things

hmm, lag isn't the right word. Turnaround time

[fallow merlin]

It borrows some things sure. That’s natural for all the games to iterate on the last game and it’s engine.

But there was clearly a big effort made in returning to a more classic Bungie feel. In terms of art, music, feel and gameplay.

[onyx latch]

Too strong of one.

[fallow merlin]

Disagree

[onyx latch]

I like Infinite. I really like Infinite. But a lot of its design decisions and emphasis alienated people who were fans of 4 and 5.

[ruby knoll]

i need a weapon

totally natural line

[rugged quartz]

Indeed

[onyx latch]

That is not a good thing. A stronger balance should have been struck.

[rugged quartz]

there was a lot of sweeping under the rug story wise too

[ruby knoll]

also it absolutely doesn't play like the old games, fortunately

[rugged quartz]

Halo 5's plot would have worked with better execution

[fallow merlin]

I’m a fan of 4 and 5, just not in comparison to the classics.

I loved Infinite. And I would say what they did with 4 and 5 was not a good thing.

All boils down to opinion.

[rugged quartz]

One of the issues with Cortana is that it should have been more explicit about how the turn happened

Instead of having to wait a while for a (great) book to explain things

[onyx latch]

I don't care if it's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that your take is harmful.

[dusty sand]

And maybe mentioned in game that she had been corrupted by the Gravemind.

[fallow merlin]

Do you actually enjoy any of the old games? You know - the games that are the reason 343i even exists. You never answered the question

It definitely plays more like the old games. Sprint being slowed down for example.

[dusty sand]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[fallow merlin]

My opinion is harmful? What does that even mean? It’s a video game lol.

[rugged quartz]

And seen more of that. A cutscene where we see cortanas, corrupted, taking over the domain? maybe some cortana fragments try to stop the others but ultimately the corruption wins out

[onyx latch]

I'm not sure what about that confuses you. It's a pretty basic sentence duo.

[fallow merlin]

I like Halo 4 and 5 less and I like Infinite. You like Halo 4 and 5 and like infinite less.

To say that either of us is right or wrong or harmful is ridiculous.

[ruby knoll]

Microsoft is the reason any of the games exists. The old games are alright but absolutely failed to live up to the hype

[dusty sand]

And address the fact that John's DNA was messed with by the "ghost" of the Librarian.

[fallow merlin]

May I ask when you first started playing the games?

[ruby knoll]

early 2000s with subsequent playthroughs after MCC pc relaunched

[earnest basalt]

As pretty much the only halo 4 fan here, I would like to ask for your thoughts to my rebuttal.

1. I will not accept that halo 4 has bad music. I will however accept that it has terrible implementation. For some reason, some of the tracks loop at weird parts in game, and even more tracks are straight up unused.
2. All the halo games have melodramatic stories. I mean, the main point of the games is about a religiously fervent group of aliens wanting to commit genocide because their “prophets” said so. And don’t even get me started on halo 3 and the Cortana “transmissions”. That’s not an insult though, I love the melodrama of the series. If I had to guess why you didn’t like the story, it would probably be because of the shift from making master chief a player surrogate into his own character, which is honestly a matter of personal preference.
3. The art style…uh … looks good in the posters…kinda… ok Imma be honest I got nothing for this one. Yeah I love halo 4, but even I can’t defend its harsh change artstyle. Maybe if they had eased players into it it could’ve been better, but that’s arguing what could have been instead of what we got, so I concede this point to you.

[ruby knoll]

the genesong thing was my least favorite part about 4

[rugged quartz]

Essence of the Librarian. More of it wasn't explored in 5

or subsequent entries

Halo 4 has some beautiful music and leitmotifs

[onyx latch]

I really hate the whole genesong librarian garbage.

[rugged quartz]

One of infinite's worst musical crimes is not using the 117 leitmotif in its soundtrack

I enjoyoed the mention of the geas stuff

[dusty sand]

It still happened, and the implications are open ended.

[onyx latch]

I'm not gonna lie. That is actually by far my biggest criticism about Infinite's soundtrack.

[ruby knoll]

it was way too chosen-one-y for my tastes

[rugged quartz]

Also John has always been his own character, bungie didn't reflect it the best

[onyx latch]

I hate that. 117 is a godly theme for Chief, and them scrapping it back out was the biggest musical mistake they could've made.

[rugged quartz]

I still like an evolution of technology and therefore looks as the ages progress

[rugged quartz]

If it hadn't been John it could have been another Spartan

If it had been Linda, it'd have been similar

[onyx latch]

I mean, amusingly and as I said earlier-Infinite actually keeps 4/5's bones.

And it's really obvious if you look at human environments and some of the more elaborate of Infinite's forerunner structures.

[rugged quartz]

Wish it had kept more

[dusty sand]

Though I think we can all agree that the TV show is an abomination.

[onyx latch]

In fact, human environments are the single most obvious reclaimer designs in Infinite.

[rugged quartz]

Mantis would have been so fun in infinite

I dont like that hte wasp got its shields removed

[onyx latch]

If they improved how its walking worked (ignoring fallen trees and such), I think it would've been perfect. It's actually infuriating that they axed that.

[rugged quartz]

one of 343's biggest problems in its entire existance is the shoving under the carpet, of storylines and things, over and over and over. Over the years

spartan ops, the academy, janus key, halo 4 plots, didact, created

They do need to stick with it and cook with what they got as the base

[earnest basalt]

I think the whole gene song thing comes down to a cool idea with bad execution. Like master chief gaining an immunity to a super weapon designed by the forerunners is pretty cool, and plays into the whole reclaimer thing for him. In practice however… it leads to the longest exposition dump in halo history and only gets used once… in a cutscene… and never comes up again.

[rugged quartz]

A resistance

[dusty sand]

The fact that 343 Guilty Spark is still out and about.

[rugged quartz]

? that's not a under the rug plot point

I enjoyoed the librarian's cutscene, but more of that coming out and talked about would have been good

[dusty sand]

You'd expect something like that to come up in light of an AI rebellion.

[rugged quartz]

Why?

[regal rock]

Oh

That’s why MCC is so unplayable on Deck, it really has no aim assist when my preference is set to a gamepad

[dusty sand]

Cortana and most Human made AIs were always depicted as comically outclassed by Forerunner AIs. I should also mention that I was kind of expecting Mendicant Bias or one of his fragments to help Chief and Humanity in Halo 5.

[onyx latch]

Not always. Did you miss CE, 2, and 3?

And 4?

[rugged quartz]

Spark isn't a simple ancilla. He's a human

[regal rock]

So every match is maybe either has modded controller users, or just MKB players

[onyx latch]

Y'know, the games where Cortana ran circles around Forerunner AIs.

[dusty sand]

Oh, I'm aware that he's a composed Human.

[rugged quartz]

She didn't really encounter any in system ancillas though

Mendicant Bias hasn't really been doing much or been able to do much that we know of

other than sending John to Requiem

[earnest basalt]

Wait hold up, is that true?

[rugged quartz]

Yes

[earnest basalt]

Was that in a book or something?

[rugged quartz]

There are multiple books

[dusty sand]

His main body is on the Ark. Surprised the Banished haven't tried to spring him loose yet only for that to blow up in their faces.

[onyx latch]

Fair. But Spark was the fella in question.

[earnest basalt]

Ok, quick question though. Was that before or after halo 4 was released. I just wanna know if that was a 343 retcon.

[onyx latch]

It's not really a retcon because it doesn't really change anything relevant to the OT about Spark's nature.

[rugged quartz]

They didn't duel in systems and he was constrained by various protocols

A retcon is changing something that was. A retcon does not mean adding to something

[fallow merlin]

You’re not the only Halo 4 fan here.

I like some of Halo 4’s music. Some of it is genuinely great and if you look at my playlist of great Halo music you’ll see it has plenty of Halo 4 https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0XPfGl5IWoT1Hr0ny58qdF?si=sEx-5qd0Tn6vbaS3zYleOA&pi=u-XzQOtE5oSauq

That being said, most of it doesn’t sound very Halo. And it’s not implemented well like you said. And some of it is just bad generic music.

Halo CE didn’t have much drama. Halo 2 and 3 had some drama sure. But I wouldn’t call much of it melodrama. And that drama was in the context of a game that otherwise didn’t take itself too seriously. Lot of jokes and silliness in the games. Whereas Halo 4 was just this big epic sci fi story and that can be great in other contexts - but the story ruined some things about Halo that I loved like the mystique of the Forerunners and the subtle implication of Chief and Cortana’s relationship. Those things never needed to be expanded on and if they were gonna do it they could have done it better.

Glad we agree on art style.

My other issues were AI downgrades and Prometheans being unfun to fight (5 improved on that a lot).

Halo 4 also had less detail than prior games. Even original Xbox games in a lot of ways. The vehicle dashboards were now static stickers. They didn’t change in real time. Objects became stuck in place like CE. Plants didn’t move when you walked through them like Halo 3. I could go on for a while.

And the sense of humor and the Easter eggs were greatly reduced.

I get for a lot of people especially people who grew up with it, it’s a game they remember fondly. And that’s fine. My opinion can’t take anything away from that or “harm”. But for me, it was a big downgrade. To be clear though - I don’t think it’s a bad game. I think it’s bad in comparison to the others. I still enjoy it. And for those who love it the most - God bless. No one is right or wrong and I’m happy for people who love the game.

[onyx latch]

Still outdid him 🤷‍♂️

[rugged quartz]

Primordium Came out on the 28th of december 2011

Halo cryptum came out January 4th 2011

[onyx latch]

Light is Green popped up in my music feed

Oh good, time to be pumped up and sad that I'll never hear Osiris' theme play for a good reason again.

[rugged quartz]

Halo has a a wide musical range

a mystery for the sake of mystery is shallow

It needs to have more to it

[earnest basalt]

Huh, didn’t think you would write so much for my small post earlier. Thanks for input, even if we do disagree on a few things. I still love hearing people’s thoughts about it.

[rugged quartz]

Also subtle implications of John and Cortana?

[fallow merlin]

I wanted to love it. I have major OCD and Halo is something I love and I convinced myself I loved it when it first came out but quickly realized, something was off. Plenty of things I like about it though.

[rugged quartz]

Like what? That they're best friends who really care about each other and have learnt to trust each other and push each other's limits?

[rugged quartz]

Context matters.

[onyx latch]

:3

[earnest basalt]

I think it’s meant to be open ended about what their relationship is meant to be exactly. Some think it’s as you said, some think it’s meant to be a case of similar circumstances of “being made to be soldiers”, while others think it’s a love story… for some reason.

[dusty sand]

So I just double checked, and there is a fragment of Mendicant Bias imprisoned on Zeta Halo.

[rugged quartz]

It's not a romantic love story.

Not about interpretation

it's just not

They're best friends.

[onyx latch]

I blame lonely people on the internet.

[rugged quartz]

We don't know that there would be?

[fallow merlin]

Sure, I’ve said that many times.

In the Bungie games you had orchestral music, Christian inspired chants, jazz, metal, world, ambient, electronic, rock, percussion only beats - all kinds of stuff. But it all had a consistent identity as Halo music despite the differing genres . And I felt that much of Halo 4 and Halo 5 didn’t have that identity. Infinite did a great job of bringing it back.

[rugged quartz]

There is no indication that a fragment of Mendicant Bias would be found on Zeta halo in modern times

[onyx latch]

God, I miss the manpack Gauss turret.

[fallow merlin]

Agreed. But I don’t agree that’s what the original mysteries were.

[dusty sand]

According to Halopedia and Halo: Primordium, one of Mendicant Bias' primary extensions is on Zeta Halo.

[rugged quartz]

Some of it by association to be honest

When does halo primordium take place?

[earnest basalt]

Wow, I forgot that was a thing.

[dusty sand]

https://www.halopedia.org/Mendicant_Bias#Housings

[ruby knoll]

i wish infinite borrowed more from h5 with sandbox stuff and h4 for modes (dominion my beloved)

[fallow merlin]

What I mean is that nothing in their relationship was overt. It was all kind of left to implication. Whereas in 4 - like a lot of things - what was once veiled in intrigue was now more on the nose.

[onyx latch]

God, it's such a downgrade.

Going from 5's weapon count to Infinite's hurts.

[dusty sand]

Just before the firing of the Halos.'

[rugged quartz]

More than just just before but

[rugged quartz]

When does infinite take place?

And what did the forerunners do with Gyre 11?

[earnest basalt]

I will say, while I think halo 5’s sandbox was all over the place in terms of balance, it had some cool ideas and great reworks.

[rugged quartz]

It's been explicitely stated what they are.

Halo 5 sandbox was AMAZING

[rugged quartz]

It really does

[fallow merlin]

I disagree. With the exception of some of the Halo 2 tracks on the soundtrack by other artists (like the Incubus songs and Never Surrender) it all felt like Halo.

[onyx latch]

Balance, schmalance. I want my damn BR85 with a 54 round mag.

... At least, I think it was 54 rounds.

[rugged quartz]

Honestly if 343 had done that people would probably have said it doesn't feel like halo

[fallow merlin]

Had done what?

[onyx latch]

Those people could shove it.

[ruby knoll]

halo is a weird rts for mac, if we're talking about Real Halo™️

[rugged quartz]

Those odd one out tracks

[onyx latch]

What's more halo than awesome weapon variety?

[ruby knoll]

RTS

[rugged quartz]

I was talking about the music

[fallow merlin]

Well most of them weren’t even in the game. And what’s wrong with people saying that if 343i did it? Bungie did it and I just said it didn’t feel like Halo. So wouldn’t that just be consistency?

[rugged quartz]

Didn't you just say it all felt like halo?

[fallow merlin]

.

[ruby knoll]

this goes back to my earlier point about 'Real Halo' being a lame and constraining standard to measure things by

[rugged quartz]

AH

[ruby knoll]

like obviously I don't mean you can make purble palace but call it halo

but, as someone who played the initial halos, 4 seems halo, just with different aspects

the only real halo is Halo Wars 1 for Xbox 360, which is a weird rts for a PowerPC based system

[fallow merlin]

I’ve already said that I don’t consider Halo 4 or 5 to not be real Halo. I just consider them to be subpar Halo.

It has nothing to do with it being made by a different studio. I don’t really care how games are made or who makes them. Infinite tried to retain Halo’s identity. They succeeded.

While also doing new things

[rugged quartz]

They were better in certain aspects to me

[ruby knoll]

potato potatoh, they seem bad in your subjective opinion as they don't measure up to the imagined meterstick of 'Real Halo™️'

[rugged quartz]

Unfortuantely infinite doesn't fully take in the mix of 4 and 5's strengths

It did have its own issues

[fallow merlin]

And even redoing things 4 and 5 did as you enthusiastically pointed out earlier

Which goes to show that it’s not different that is bad - but there are ways to execute it. And many feel 4 and 5 didn’t do it well.

The vast majority of Infinite soundtrack is completely new music that doesn’t reference old motifs

Yet it sounds like Halo,

[ruby knoll]

woo woo vibes stuff
Halo Wars 1 for the Xbox 360 is the only Real Halo

[fallow merlin]

And it’s great. Incredible soundtrack. (Not too big on the post rock multiplayer stuff but it’s fine for what it is. I don’t go out of my way to listen to it like I do the campaign music though)

[rugged quartz]

Infinite has a lot of themes it takes from before

If we go by rock history in halo then the multiplayer is fitting

[earnest basalt]

Ok, for the record, I agree with your point, but like half the songs in the game are motifs of the original trilogy. I mean they reference it in their song names.

[rugged quartz]

And I think they're great tracks

Sucks we weon't get new music because the story was cut off

And new seasons

[earnest basalt]

It’s still great music, but I need to clear that up.

[rugged quartz]

New seasons + new story = new music

[fallow merlin]

It has a few. Through The Trees, The Road, and Under Cover are the main ones. But the majority is brand new music

[rugged quartz]

now they axed the story and the seasons

[ruby knoll]

the MP music is great

[fallow merlin]

Halo never used post-rock in prior games.

I’m all for rock music in Halo games. Campaign could have used some.

[rugged quartz]

Chronological progression of the universe fitting well with the music

[fallow merlin]

What

[rugged quartz]

if the human-covenant war had some rock, post-war has some post-rock

[earnest basalt]

No offense, but are we really gonna argue this when Marty went from traditional orchestra, 2000s rock, back to orchestra, jazzy blues, and then whatever genre reach was.

[rugged quartz]

Listenting to the multiplayer soundtrack makes me very unhappy about the axing of the seasonal story though

I am quite displeased to say the least.

[fallow merlin]

It’s not an argument. It’s just a statement of fact. Halo never used post rock prior to Infinite.

You’re exactly right Marty changed styles a lot - I literally just made that point a few minutes ago,

[fallow merlin]

.

[earnest basalt]

I guess trying to say is that halo should be allowed to experiment with new music generes. It all just comes down to execution, and staying true to the roots.

[onyx latch]

You know what, I'm gonna say it.

OT's soundtrack is incredibly overrated.

[ruby knoll]

fr

[fallow merlin]

But I also wouldn’t say that he changed genres by the game. CE had some rock in it. Halo 2 had orchestral in it. ODST had rock in it. Etc. none of the games stuck to one genre

[onyx latch]

Halo's soundtrack started getting good when they ditched it in ODST.

[rugged quartz]

Spartan strike and spartan assault soundtrack is really good

[fallow merlin]

Sure. Never said otherwise.

[ruby knoll]

Halo Wars soundtrack is great, 1 and 2

[rugged quartz]

strike and assault have underated soundtracks

And it would have been amazing to see some of those return in the other games

[ruby knoll]

all not made by Marty and that other guy nobody ever credits

[rugged quartz]

Poor guy people keep forgetting 😦

[onyx latch]

It's weird. Usually I can put like, scenes and scenarios to soundtracks, but with the OT, I struggle really hard.

[fallow merlin]

ODST sounds firmly like it belongs in the same universe as the prior games.

[rugged quartz]

Salvatori

[ruby knoll]

Michael Salvatori ;-;7

[rugged quartz]

That smooth jazz doesn't seem fitting of CE

[earnest basalt]

Also, I need to look up, who also worked on the halo soundtracks for the original bungie games, cause I know it wasn’t just Marty.

[onyx latch]

... It just got said

[rugged quartz]

We just talked about it..

[earnest basalt]

I just looked away from chat for a second lol

[rugged quartz]

Would have liked tom salta to work on infinite soundtrack

[fallow merlin]

The jazz is only in like 3 tracks.

And I never said that ODST’s soundtrack would fit in CE. But it does sound like it fits in the Halo universe. It still sounds HALO.

With 4 and 5 - some of it sounded like it could maybe fit in Reach(?) but for the most part it didn’t sound like Halo. And Infinite - even the stuff that is totally new - sounds like Halo.

No one is asking for Halo to limit themselves. There are ways to do things new and different that retain the Haloness.

[rugged quartz]

i dont necesairly agree that a lot of ODST inheriently just fits halo like that

[onyx latch]

And I think that the music fit that new and different 'haloness'.

[rugged quartz]

and the strongest musical identity for odst is the jazzy detective stuff

[onyx latch]

Sometimes I turn on Halo 5 and just listen to its menu music. It's got really good menu music.

[ruby knoll]

4's menu theme is great

[fallow merlin]

Halo always had those kinds of melodic introspective dramatic tracks that ODST is full of. Halo has a certain language to its music and ODST speaks the same language. Just a different dialect.

[rugged quartz]

i listened to a lot of 4 music when reading the new book

[onyx latch]

There are many things I'd call OT's tracks, but... Introspective is scarcely one of them.

[rugged quartz]

that multiplayer music playing for me in the background on the OST of my phone is really making me miss the multiplayer story and intrigue as I've said

[ruby knoll]

what are you talking about, I feel super introspective when warthog run plays

[rugged quartz]

It was getting so intersting and good

why do i feel so nostalgic about 5 right now

[fallow merlin]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB0o7mZiSas&pp=ygUTbmV2ZXIgZm9yZ2V0IGhhbG8gMw%3D%3D

[earnest basalt]

Ok, I love the new music, but even I still love and respect the original trilogies music. The warthog run, in amber clad during the sniper jackal forest, the flood theme after killing truth. A lot of the original trilogies soundtrack fits the game so well.

[onyx latch]

Eh.

I did say scarcely.

[rugged quartz]

I think halo 3 didnt bring forward some of the feelings halo 2 brought

[fallow merlin]

5 had some great music. Also some generic music. I include a good amount of tracks from 5 in my playlist I put on shuffle of best Halo music.

[earnest basalt]

I’m not saying you have to like it. I have my own gripes with some of them. But they did a lot to enhance the feelings of gameplay.

[fallow merlin]

In music or story?

[rugged quartz]

music

well im off bye

[fallow merlin]

I’d agree if you were talking about story

I’m gonna head out too. Night

Enjoy the first day of spring

[earnest basalt]

Well, good talk then, see ya.

[atomic remnant]

which halo fall of reach is the good one and which is bad. ive been told one is good and bad so wanna know

[hard surge]

the game was 12/10 for me... BUT! everyone must make their own opinion

[civic sundial]

The novel and the comic adaptations are good, the animated show is... A thing that doesn't cover the event it's named after

[atomic remnant]

mk

[fiery pewter]

Is there any chance 343 will allow us to do final weekly challemges in pve instead of pvp?

[sullen owl]

A few in the past have worked in Firefight. They're mostly medal challenges, if you can get the medal on AI it should work.

[dapper bane]

dude i reinstalled halo infinite recently

wow, it's so much better. i have been having a blast with it recently.

[frosty condor]

Welcome back, Spartan.

[celest heron]

update day

[civic sundial]

That new networking model is gonna be so nice

[quasi nexus]

didn't halo 6 just implement easy anti cheat recently? looool

talk about bad timing

[faint summit]

Just got to silver general in infinite

[shadow turret]

good job

[faint summit]

Thank 🥰

[shadow turret]

I'm nearing Onyx myself, jus haven't played in a while or I'd be there prolly

[celest heron]

if what eac tweeted is true, then it won't be an issue.

[faint summit]

wow

bruh infinite just crasshed

[quasi nexus]

"we investigated outselves" lool

[stray root]

hopefully this update brings optimization changes. my friend hasn't been able to play since season 3 because of some update 😵‍💫

[shadow turret]

Ye
I'm sitting at Diamond Lt. Colonel 3 rn, but again, I haven't really played in a few weeks

[faint summit]

kool

cyber showdown is good

[stray root]

I'm still mad they moved away from the 50-tier pass and to free operations. makes no sense at all

[celest heron]

? that's what companies do. they look into the issue and fix it themselves or use a contractor.

[faint summit]

guys i have a really good gamemode idea i need thought on it

[quasi nexus]

every one knows easy has been awful forever. they were the cause.

ironic the same thing is happening in other EAC games suddenly too

[young glen]

There's no real reason to lie, as relevant stakeholders would find out the truth sooner or later.

[quasi nexus]

they already did find out

same thing when MS said there was no issues after thier executives got phished last year

or when tmobile said there was nothing to worry about after their 9th breach

[young glen]

All I know is that the smart thing to do is wait a few days for more info.

[quasi nexus]

it's not safe atm to play anything with EAC until it's proven it's safe

correct we need to avoid and wait

[faint summit]

guys just go play Deep Rock Galactic

[quasi nexus]

not a bad idea

[faint summit]

its flippin sick

[ruby knoll]

pass

[young glen]

Sorry, too busy playing Balatro — the greatest card game ever made.

[faint summit]

why

[faint summit]

oh.. when youre done play uno - the greatest card game ever made

[ruby knoll]

i have far better games to play

[faint summit]

like what? minecraft? if so, yeah youre right

[ruby knoll]

no, Age of Empires 3

[faint summit]

then youre wrong

wait, is there only one actual emplyee on this whole server?

[signal ivy]

no

[faint summit]

well like that works at 343 or microsoft

[signal ivy]

there are quite a few

[faint summit]

oh ok good i gues

[quasi nexus]

there's at least 2

[faint summit]

i canr coun thad hi

[celest heron]

it forced them to make a tweet about it after 5 years so it would look extremely bad if it still happens and game companies should get a lot of flak if they still decide to use their product.

[quasi nexus]

im just avoiding anything with EAC for a while. it's been bad for years anyway so not to suprising

[olive brook]

eac being added to infinite has me slightly concerned after the recent stuff

[quasi nexus]

so crazy that like a week after they added an anticheat after TWO YEARS of not having one and the anticheat they add gets comprimised again.

[analog salmon]

a respawn game has a vulnerability and you're assuming EAC is the culprit?

a respawn game....

[quasi nexus]

we know it's eac

[wary quiver]

how do you "know"

[quasi nexus]

eac has been bad for many,many years

also, how do you "know" it's not eac?

[ruby knoll]

infinite has had an anticheat tho

[quasi nexus]

ah so they downgraded then

[analog salmon]

so you're guessing?

[quasi nexus]

so you're guessing too?

"we investigated ourselves" tweet is loool

[analog salmon]

you're the one making the claim EAC has a vulnerability they deny exists

[wary quiver]

So your assuming its EAC. They already tweeted a statement that it wasn't their issue. We don't "know" anyhting for certain but Respawn has been just as bad as EAC if we are going by that logic.

[quasi nexus]

they tweeted that they think it's not

[wary quiver]

and Respawn hasn't said jack.

[quasi nexus]

"were confident that it's not at this time" is not definitive proof bromeo hate to break it to you

[coarse dagger]

No, we don't, so let's not spread misinformation and wait and see what the actual issue is. It may yet be EAC related, but nobody knows for certain right now

[quasi nexus]

notice the at this time part

[analog salmon]

respawn had a 2018 game made pretty much unplayable for years across console and PC due to vulnerabilities in its netcode being exploited

[quasi nexus]

then why are yall spreading misinformation about it not being eac?

[wary quiver]

You're still assuming, like i said we don't "know" anything for certain but Respawn is just as much on the hook as EAC.

[ruby knoll]

at this time, we know that daveengland is a massive bore

we do not expect this to change

[quasi nexus]

when you resort to personal attacks, you lost

[ruby knoll]

Update: daveengland continues to be a bore

[quasi nexus]

it's better to assume and avoid until youu know then defend them saying it's not them

[coarse dagger]

For people saying it's 100% no EAC, I'd say the exact same - nobody knows yet, so we shouldn't be passing anything off as confirmed or fact

[coarse dagger]

It's really not

That's precisely how misinformation spreads

[quasi nexus]

so us not knowing if it's EAC or not doesn;'t make it safer to avoid until we know?

hackers love that

[olive brook]

Is it still being added to infinite today even though they’re not 100% sure if its safe

[quasi nexus]

exactly what i mean. we don't know if it's safe so best to avoid until they prove it is safe

[ruby knoll]

Reports suggest talking to daveengland will make your face explode

[coarse dagger]

There has been nothing announced to say today's update is being delayed, but this is on the back of a lot of staff being at HCS over the weekend and only just getting back now

[quasi nexus]

siege over there raging defending a.... anticheat company?? loool

[coarse dagger]

I think we're good to move on now

[quasi nexus]

sounds good. hopefully 343 announces something assuring the safety of the anticheat soon

i will keep an eye out for their response to the matter

[ruby knoll]

eac is garbage but i feel like the face exploder would just move goalposts

[quasi nexus]

my man, they said move on. no need to continue elementary level personal insults lolol

[ruby knoll]

?

[quasi nexus]

stckr 🏳🌈 🔕 — Today at 12:26 PM
I think we're good to move on now

need to read it again?

[hard surge]

does someone know when halo infnite update is releasing? or have I been living under a rock and its already out?

[coarse dagger]

In about 10 minutes, likely

[hard surge]

Okay, thank you!😇

[worn warren]

yeah i couldnt figure out if it updated already as well but i dont think so

[olive brook]

Yup, it is

[quasi nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/no-randy-jackson-dawg-gif-12730917

[brave hare]

Scared to know if EAC will be a problem

Hoping not because it's the first proper anti-cheat that infinite has got and MCC also has it so

[thorn sierra]

Hate me or not, but i think that the only bad game that 343 made is halo 5

[brave hare]

And even then, I loved 5's movement even if it wasn't very halo as per say

Like the thruster packs and stuff made magnum duels very satisfying when you dinged people

[karmic oriole]

Halo infinite has officially passed 100 GB on xbox

[brave hare]

Ouch

[quasi nexus]

i think 4 is good but 5 and 6 are both medicore at best

[civic sundial]

Why do you call it Halo 6 when it's been called Halo Infinite since it was properly announced?

[quasi nexus]

because it's the sixth flagship entry to the game franchise

[forest marsh]

i'm inclined to agree there.

[tulip tusk]

sometimes i type Inf for short

[shell wing]

they got rid of btb heavies?

[shadow turret]

Heavies and Social rotate out every now and then

[shell wing]

after the update too there seems to be a weird visual bug with plasmas ans spikes

their glow and projectile don't sync up so its a lil goofy

[solid star]

CU29 had a patch come out the day after the update - hopefully this one does as well

[white birch]

Thats been happening to me off and on for a while now, I think its just a serve load issue.
I'll see a flaming skewer spike sticking out of a wall after its fired

[full warren]

is it me or has the update decreased the game performance I get like 90fps now instead of 130

[pseudo stag]

anyone with this issue 'failed to get process path' after installing new update on PC gamepass?

[analog salmon]

I just had to restart my pc

Why do you spawn in the wrong side of the odst map tho

Nobody knows what’s going on so whichever team is less confused wins lol

[full warren]

They must changed something

but why performace decrease is weird going to load up a bot game

with bots its fine but on firefights its not but definitely was not that bad before update, no idea atleast its not a 4v4 map those seem fine

[hallow lily]

my guess for the performance issues its EAC

came here to see if anyone else was having awful performance issues and the common outlier seems to be EAC

it maxes out my cpu and ram

[analog salmon]

I just had to restart but I did have major stutters first launch

I think timberland with sidekick starts is probably the worse iteration of timberland possible

[hallow lily]

i'll try restarting the game

[analog salmon]

Restart your pc…

[hallow lily]

still 100% cpu usage

this update is cooked

[analog salmon]

Cooking ur cpu 😄

[full warren]

OMG now you guys mention is my room heats up so quickly now with the new update

normally takes 5-6 games but 1 game later and my room has increased by 3 degree

Its blasting hot air.

[analog salmon]

Tbf it’s warm today lol

Yeah the new networking is pretty great

Red reticle range on the sword is actually accurate

And commando feels so so good

[rugged quartz]

I need to use the commando

[forest marsh]

im getting 100% cpu also now

[ancient sun]

any word on the maps in squad battle getting re-adjusted yet?

[spare finch]

The update crashed my pc

[waxen stratus]

rip Ive heard that its happeing to some others

[spare finch]

“Stability fixes” creates another stability issue

[waxen stratus]

its like if glitchtrap was in the system

[spare finch]

The HaloMimic

[waxen stratus]

noooooo

Halo Glitches be like "I always come back"

[faint delta]

I just downloaded halo infinite after spending ages playing nothing but the og xbox games, let's see how horrible I'll be at it.

[waxen stratus]

play mcc instead

[spare finch]

Mcc is more broken tbh

[spare finch]

None of the glitches were patched from the original releases

[zenith spire]

wait is it not just me then? I thought the maps were horrible because I keep getting spawned in the same place with no precision weapons

[waxen stratus]

I personaly like mcc better

[waxen stratus]

but that is true

[spare finch]

Attempting to run Halo Infinite after the crash of ‘24

[sick egret]

the game feels super smooth now

[spare finch]

Faster menu loading times?

[waxen stratus]

Imagine what the crash of 27 will be

[spare finch]

Halo 7 crash

[dusk thunder]

Why does getting a flawless victory in firefight bug out the game and erase your entire score and deletes any playback of the match?! This is the second time this has happened.

The first time it was just disheartening, now it’s outright annoying that someone has to die in the game for any players to receive any reward for their time and effort.

[austere cedar]

I just beat Halo 2

It was good

[waxen stratus]

good

[faint delta]

mcc is nice for online but if I'm playing it it's only for online, if I'm playing campaign I'm turning on the og xbox lol

[ancient sun]

yeah, sounds like it's broken

[sick egret]

land grab bugged out in the squad battle playlist so we played 10 minutes of random slayer and it was fun as hell lol

[austere cedar]

In people’s opinion, is Halo Infinite a game I should buy? I saw it was on sale but had mixed reviews. How does it compare to the other halo games?

[hexed plume]

i think the campaign's very good but it feels undercooked in some areas

obv the multiplayer's great and free

[thorn sierra]

Im playing halo reach on heroic and got to sword base, tomorrow ima make more progress

[ruby knoll]

it's good but has some weak points

[celest heron]

On the map Deadlock, Pelicans only deploy Scorpion and Wraith tanks when playing non-Heavies variants of Big Team Battle.
lol

[faint summit]

They need to add a gigabyte update to Mcc cuz then it'd be 117 gigs.

[spare finch]

What nvidia driver loads fastest on the most recent update

[faint summit]

Idk most recent I guess

For what card?

[spare finch]

Most recent usually is never obedient with Infinite

[spare finch]

3060

[faint summit]

Really? I've never had issues

[faint summit]

Nice

[misty vale]

There has been a driver issue between halo and nv, which affected a significant portion of the population, one time.

I have a 3070 and the last driver is fine, upgraded today and it's fine.

There is ALWAYS a long first load time for halo after a driver update.

[spare finch]

Alright, upgrading to 551.86 (latest)

[rose urchin]

YOOOO new update day

[spare finch]

yep, it flips off the Unstable: Latency

among other things

[sharp summit]

the desync is really bad

i was trying to rank up but now that the update is here idk about it

[tropic sentinel]

Getting larped on professionally

[iron glen]

📢 Yo guys, I'm hosting a 4v4 Husky Raid Event tomorrow night <t:1710975600:R>.

We have 5️⃣ open slots before it's full, so if you're interested:

1.📝 Sign up on > https://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/NpbvHopyv6
2.✅ Join the server in my BIO to participate

ℹ️ - All the event information is in the link above but you can also DM me if you have questions.

[sour marlin]

Is Halo infinite running feeliong like no desync yet

[winter wren]

Does the infinite update include the network overhaul?

[lime robin]

Yes

[winter wren]

So less desyncs and more stable connections? And no more of that dying around the corner bs

[sour marlin]

Its like nobody is answering, on purpose

[sour marlin]

Eyo is there is not

[lime robin]

Unfortunately, I can't tell

I had to leave today morning for Texas, and I'm stuck here without my precious PC

Only a work Macbook

[sour marlin]

[lime robin]

I suffer while everyone else is having a good time with the update

But uh, I trust this isn't the case for you and you can log into the game and test yourself?

[smoky stone]

Is anyone else playing Ranked Slayer having long queue times? I eventually get into matches, but it's taking well over 5 minutes

is the population that low in the playlist? Someone the other told me it's a bug and to restart Halo if it takes that long to match.

[languid sphinx]

so did anyone else notice that the score and time HUD in the bottom middle is friggin massive now? I feel like an old blind person with how big the text is.

[smoky stone]

it's definitely bolder

[languid sphinx]

i understand it was prob changed for accessibility reasons but i hate it lol

[smoky stone]

yeah, I think there should be options to alter it.

[languid sphinx]

@343 gif option to go back to old hud pls

[wispy oasis]

Anyone currently on Halo Infinite and willing to help with a few achievements?

[zenith forge]

is the halo 5 server browser dead or is this a me problem

really hoping its the ladder

[night thorn]

Just got 100% on Halo Infinite

[wispy oasis]

Nice! I just need a few more, mainly the co-op ones

[night thorn]

Those were the ones i finished up with a buddy of mine

[olive brook]

i thought i was just going crazy

[frosty condor]

It came with the update 🙂

[jaunty bone]

I was playing FireFight: King on the hill and then 2 Drop pods came with 2 Hunter's. I thought they were enemies at first but I realise they were highlighted blue

They were GOOD Hunter's!?!

They were also fighting the Banished aswell

[ivory osprey]

Everybody's a critic

[celest heron]

yes, they implemented ai allies a few weeks ago or maybe a bit longer.

[rugged quartz]

Wasn't it at the spirit of fire operaiton?

[celest heron]

think it was too long ago for that. It was probly during the FF refresh although it wasn't mentioned.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/firefight-king-of-the-hill-refresh-halo-infinte

[dull bluff]

Has anyone else's game been crashing while loading up after this new update?

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[celest heron]

hmm, ten bucks for an armor and visor coating.

[sterile meadow]

I mentioned this ages ago, nothing too crazy but objectively something missing from campaign, allready reported to halo support ages ago.

https://youtu.be/TzKf9qTeEew?si=3mSYIKjaMG0QoD_f

We have also been missing needler effects for ages since release in campaign and multiplayer, these should not vanish its a bug, artstyle differences aside.

https://youtu.be/0ZvJDXCYBIM?si=JugzdXfp7lsW38Yg

I have reported both of these errors a long time ago, and sent footage to support but I decided to upload these like 6 second clips to get more awareness just in case no one noticed, vast majority are not going to care and its not a big deal anyway to be honest.

[analog salmon]

the needler thing is not really a bug, its a regression

i do hope they address both those issues though

[pastel stump]

is grenade animation bug or something?

[crystal iron]

18 bucks for the color white.

[dense onyx]

A day late, but just wanted to say that THANK GOD THE COMMANDO IS USABLE!
Now I just have see if the Impact Commando is usable, because that spread is too ridiculous.

[stuck wasp]

Someone couldn't load into the game so i got 10 minute ban, bruh i never quit games i thought you need quit games to get temp ban

[analog salmon]

if you're talking about mcc you can get a temp ban if the game fails to load for some reason. it doesnt abort and kick everyone if one player failed to load

its rare enough i wouldnt stress it

[stuck wasp]

it was in infinite

[analog salmon]

well in infinite you dont get banned after one quit

[stuck wasp]

well i did, and i think i quit out like 2 games in past month because i had irl stuff happening

[sterile meadow]

Maybe, but in prior games this is what a broken material effect looks like, if you try yourself it straight vanishes, I get changing effects or having not stick and artstyle changes, but it vanishes, and that's what a broken material response looks like in any previous halo game if you break it in the mod tools.

[analog salmon]

when you say failed to load, what do you mean? it said "other player loading" and you alt F4'd or something?

[stuck wasp]

We were in intro look at the map thing for like 2 minutes and then the game ended. score was 0-0 and it said victory.

[analog salmon]

oooh weird

[stuck wasp]

then it said you been temp ban for 10 minutes

[analog salmon]

yeah you got banned for not moving in a match you couldnt move

that's my guess anyway

[sterile meadow]

The banished gate vapour that's missing is not a big deal but it's actually something that is broken too, I get multiplayer is a priority but it's unfortunate that a campaign error has occurred.

[stuck wasp]

lol so afk banned for not being able to play

guess i better just tap wasd next time

[analog salmon]

i dont know if that would help, they detect you not actually doing anything (shooting etc)

just hope it's a one off ig

[stuck wasp]

well reloaded temp ban over back to being a menace with this good networking 😈

[bronze sleet]

we need cross-core gloves in halo infinite

[ruby knoll]

do we tho

[mental yarrow]

Anybody settings not working after the update

[analog salmon]

elaborate?

[celest heron]

had to quit a game cause I was in the map loading screen loop for two minutes in squad battle on a new map.

okay, now it's doing it in another sb game

[misty vale]

hahahah 8 dudes sweatin on voicechat in squad battle

"We don't have jobs, no" lmao

[tulip tusk]

i finally learned how to tab through grenades in infinite

[cunning jungle]

Took a bit of a break from infinite, bit confused on what purpose the store serves? Does it just sell bundles now? Is anything still fomo? I think there's still timed bundles right?

[faint delta]

theres this one sound effect in halo ce that's scaring me half to death for no reason, in truth and Reconciliation there's this weird beepy music? just a collection of notes, but it freaks me out for some reason, doesn't help that I turned off the lights before playing

sounds like the crazy bus song

[signal ivy]

@wraith field can't talk about that here

[iron glen]

4 open spots left and we start <t:1710975600:R>

[celest heron]

playing FF on high power and a wave of grunts just walked and jumped into the middle pit, lol.

[civic sundial]

They knew it would be a better end than fighting demons

[winter adder]

I forgot wasn't Halo Infinite always using EAC?

[faint delta]

I honestly forgot T&R wasn't two maps, always felt like two levels to me but its just one really long one

[young glen]

No.

MCC does though.

It was using Arbiter, which was like an in-house anti-cheat.

[winter adder]

Oh ok I always assumed Halo infinite is also using EAC interesting tyvm

because i was like why they be using something else when MCC is using that XD

[daring birch]

Is anyone having experiencing fast movement stuttering from players in multiplayer?

[misty vale]

Store increases shareholder value. Depends on what causes 'fomo', a person can still miss live operations and would have to buy the operation pass for those cosmetics.

People should not fear missing cosmetics though so not sure what you meant to begin with.

[hazy heath]

I do, rare bug. IF you go in theater you can see u are alone to lag . SO I think it s Unsych from server

[daring birch]

Glad to know it isn't just me

[cunning jungle]

By fomo I mean permanently missable armour or amour that can get vaulted with no eta on it returning. Assuming that's in the game still?

And always found the argument for fomo a but unnecessary as if it didn't work game devs would use it

[faint delta]

had to turn lights on, the bit with all the empty cells and bodies with no music and silence freaked me out

this isnt even at a point where the flood exists this is level 3

[misty vale]

I don't know if weekly rewards are obtainable outside of doing the weekly. Why would missing cosmetics change anything about the gameplay being good / keep a person from playing though? They literally do not do anything and nobody cares what someone is wearing.

[waxen stratus]

fomo sucks

[faint delta]

my god does halo have a history of not being well kept on disc, because I've had more disc read errors on it than any other game

I just beat truth and Reconciliation and now I'm worried my progress is lost because of a disc error

[cunning jungle]

Because there are plenty of fun games out there without fomo, by the sounds of it I should maybe just stick to Warframe

[faint delta]

okay so I unlocked the level but it still says I've not finished the previous one

yeah I don't care just let me continue no harm no foul

[daring birch]

tbh its not really rare for me. It happens every game so far. Sometimes a player strafe side to side really fast.

[misty vale]

if you're having fun in warframe, then keep playing warframe. If cosmetics are the reason you play a game, then I mean I dunno man try out the sims it sounds like you have a big interest in that type of gameplay.

[quick orbit]

Infinite keeps crashing for me on startup since yesterday's updat.e Anyone know whats going on?

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[waxen stratus]

might need to update it

[pliant stratus]

What do you think about HelioSkrill Armor coming to infinite as a core?

[lime robin]

Not sure about a core, but I can see it coming back as an expensive shop bundle

[thorn sierra]

Just played cursed halo multiplayer with people for the first time, had a good time

[open galleon]

does this game still favor controller or can I play MKB without magnetism cheats affecting me

[analog salmon]

kbm has the reticle magnetism now

not as strong but its balanced

[open galleon]

can it be turned off?

[young glen]

No.

[plucky river]

what is 343 doing with the playlists?

squad battle has the same btb maps.

team slayer has the same maps as Halo 3 refueled.

what's the point?

[analog salmon]

btb and squad are just 12v12 and 8v8 respectively

[slate robin]

What halo mission made you want to enlist in the military?

[analog salmon]

which is nothing new if you look back to prior games

as for halo 3 refueled i dont really get why it exists with just those maps

it should just have all the maps as in quick play, and just be "Quick Play BRs"

off the top of my head valhalla was in both 5v5 and 8v8 back in halo 3

[plucky river]

yes but the maps were more suitable for the team size.

on another subject. ranked arena and slayer are gone from the menu. it's not there any more.

[mental pewter]

I’ve been a veteran for over 15 years since Halo 3. I’ve achieved Level 50 in H3 Multiplayer and Champion/Onyx Rank in Halo 5 as well. However I’ve recently started getting back playing Infinite and I’ve noticed that the enemies are able to turn their back and kill me which prompted me wondering if the players are able to hear footsteps? I find this very unfair to me because I’m deaf and it would make me dissatisfied continue playing trying to achieve Onyx as I’m somewhat stuck on Platinum 5/6 on Infinite with the new feature that I’m not used. Is there a way you can add visual effects for hearing footsteps or something like that? It’s going to be very difficult since I have a disadvantage at this point.

[stone nimbus]

look at the radar

as for footsteps, enemy footsteps are different from friendly footsteps. hearing behind you has always been a problem since day 1 since there's no proper surround sound in the game. the support site has workarounds, but none of them have worked in my experience

i know games like Battlefield have what's called "suppression indicators" where you see a small gradient when something is attacking you out of your field of view

oh

yeah i don't play ranked (for good reason)

i don't think "suppression indicators" would be a bad idea though. it'd be nice to know if someone shoots at you without hitting you

but more like a near-miss

[magic night]

With Battlefield, though, it's more than just knowing if someone is shooting at you. Suppression actually makes you less accurate.

[stone nimbus]

see i didn't know that

[magic night]

There might be more going on, since it's been over a decade since I was into Battlefield, but its a whole mechanic,

[stone nimbus]

accuracy trade-off for knowing you're being attacked? in a game with low ttk? probably a bad idea in hindsight

(in context of halo)

[magic night]

I think with the way Halo handles accuracy in-general, it wouldn't go over well.

Can't imagine anyone would be happy if theior Bandits and BRs stopped shooting straight in a gunfight

[mental pewter]

https://audioradar.com/

Would be super useful for us deaf and HoH gamers. Sucks it has to be expensive to get the same accessibility

[sick trench]

Has anyone else encountered this glitch? The bottom of a given weapon appears in the bottom left corner of the screen inverted. I'm on a stock console and the only reddit thread I can find is from 4 years ago. Started happening about a month ago or so. I've cleared cache. Very odd. Video below for reference.

Any counsel is greatly appreciated.

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/RHgMfMQwHb

[mental pewter]

Which game mode would be the best to level up fast with xp?

[sick trench]

Sorry not sure why it set to private. Link below.

https://staging.streamable.com/i5qg8o

Very odd issue.

[tulip tusk]

the Loading Map 0% bug in custom game browser is winning in our 1v1 rn

after the bug i have to close game entirely i dont know it just gets stuck

[sick trench]

The armor makes the gun appear in the bottom left? If so that's wild. I'll try changing cores. Didn't think of that

[rugged quartz]

That's your shoulder

[sick trench]

Mark VII has the issue. Other cores no problem. Fantastic.

[onyx latch]

That's the base of your knife.

Also, shouldn't happen only with Mark VII. It's happened to me with over half the cores.

[sick trench]

Is this a known bug?

[onyx latch]

Not a bug. It's a consequence of your armor matching your visual state.

Try it with grenadier shoulders, lmao.

[rugged quartz]

Look slightly down left and right in real life

[regal rock]

Are MCC player reports usually taken seriously on PC

Seems like PC folks are plugging in controllers to match with other controller players, but are actually using MKB for actual precision aiming

Did not realize this was the new meta lol

I remember folks being pretty good at classic 360 halo, but this is all too unnaturally good

Unless these people have never stopped playing since 2007

[celest heron]

I don't think it allows that

and there are a lot of sweats still playing.

[regal rock]

Tbh yeah

If I wanted something more casual, Infinite over 3 might be better

[celest heron]

infinite has tighter sbmm so you'll get more games that feel sweaty. overall, I'd say I get more casual games in mcc. basically means I'll match more people below my skill level than similar or above.

[regal rock]

Seems a little mixed for me on MCC

I’ll either flatten or be flatten, very few close games

[celest heron]

yeah, I'll get games that are more close in infinite, but it will make me feel like I'm having to try more.

[smoky stone]

If you are not playing ranked, why are people so against SBMM?