halo-discussion

[main moss]

2500 concurrent players with abysmal f2p multiplayer

[glacial tartan]

It sucks but yeah, when the PC population is almost on par w/ 10 year old MCC its hard to say its a bastion of success. Concurrent players speak a lot tot he success of the game.

[onyx latch]

Steam Charts!!!!!!1111!!1!1!1!

[weary flume]

Personal opinion

[main moss]

for me multipayer is the core of halo and halo infinite multiplayer is trash compared to reach and halo 4

[smoky wave]

Reach again

[main moss]

worse maps, no progression, it just feels soulless

[weary flume]

If I were to chose to play either Infinite or Reach, Id most likely play Infinite

[crystal iron]

You see, the campaign is boring and bland, (as well all know) the sandbox is....mixed, and the maps are mostly remakes, or boring

[onyx latch]

I prefer pretty much every Halo to Reach lmao

[main moss]

halo infinite multiplayer feels soulless and empty,i wish i liked it but id rather just play mcc

[onyx latch]

Reach gets atmosphere right, it's too bad the rest of the game's pretty much a mechanical writeoff.

[weary flume]

Okay, I dont see the complaints about the sandbox. Halo Infinite is the first halo game where I feel like I can pick up any weapon and have fun using it.

[smoky wave]

Man, I loved playing campaign levels in mp when the game launched

[main moss]

i mean its widely regarded as the best halo isnt it

[glacial tartan]

I just wish I could remove that awful visual blur they brought back

343 had a huge W getting rid of that (even if it was an accident) in reach

[onyx latch]

I'm sorry, I don't deign to consider ad populum fallacies.

[smoky wave]

For me it's the weakest one lol, I do not care about the opinion community of it

[crystal iron]

Stalker rifle, ravager, bulldog,

[main moss]

is there even any customization that can be unlocked for free in infinite rn or is it like 99% shop bp trash

[crystal iron]

The bulldog is sickening, it's not even a shotgun

[onyx latch]

...

[main moss]

infinite mp shouldnt have been f2p, it would have been way better if it wasnt

[weary flume]

I can use all 3 of those effectively and have fun doing it.
As for the ravager, people actually sleep on that weapon its so good

[onyx latch]

Whoa, dude, ask before you show that skill issue in public.

Not everyone appreciates that getting whipped out.

[main moss]

oh yeah, they renamed all the guns in infinite for no reason

[weary flume]

Yeah bulldog is effective, its no classic shotgun but its useful

[onyx latch]

Yeah, cause that worked for Call of Duty so well.

[crystal iron]

It's called an opinion, not a skill issue

[main moss]

i mean cod is just objectively not in a good spot, you cant compare it to cod rn

[crystal iron]

I'd rather play splitgate

[main moss]

cod is dying and has been for a long time because activision sucks

[onyx latch]

You have some seriously warped perspective.

[smoky wave]

I don't think F2P or not, it would not have the issues that Infinite had at launch

[crystal iron]

Which is what I do, actually

[onyx latch]

Ew.

[weary flume]

Split gate is fun, but its a different itch to halo

[crystal iron]

I'm not even gonna argue, we all have our opinions

[smoky wave]

People saying that F2P is the main issue kinda forgets that even if the game was paid, it would have the same problems

Nothing will change at all

[main moss]

baldurs gate just got game of the year, splatoon 3 won awards, the finals has a lot of free rewards in addition to the shop and bp and is doing great. F2P isnt necessary and even if it is you dont have to remove progression in favor of just making people buy everything

[crystal iron]

I feel like it's less competitive

[weary flume]

I think thats more of the way SBMM is set up than inherant gameplay

[crystal iron]

Finals is great, and splatoon 3 is one of nintendo's best multiplayer masterpieces

[main moss]

i mean if it wasnt f2p maybe we could get halo reach/4 customization back, objectively the best the series has ever seen

[main moss]

exactly, a game with progression, and a game without free multiplayer

[smoky wave]

No lol

[main moss]

why not

[weary flume]

Yeah no that wouldnt happen. Games cant sustain them selves on launch revenue any more

[main moss]

splatoon 3

[smoky wave]

The systems would most likely have the same systems even paid

[crystal iron]

Also, splat 3 had actually fun pve

[weary flume]

There needs to be stuff supporting it on top of that

[main moss]

i mean yeah, obviously, but there would be SOMETHING there

[smoky wave]

You want free updates? There is going to be some profits going on to justify it

[ivory dirge]

Climbed to gold 2

[main moss]

literally just make story dlc and map packs, boom

[ivory dirge]

whos on campaign

[signal ivy]

NO

[smoky wave]

Map packs were the worse

[signal ivy]

map packs bad

[crystal iron]

Exactly, story dlc

[main moss]

"map packs are bad" say the people that like buying armor

[smoky wave]

Story DLC does not cut the whole thing either but hey, those are neats

[olive brook]

where did the story dlc idea even come from like who started it

[crystal iron]

But, they've already told us how they feel about dlc

[weary flume]

Story DLC yes, Map packs no. I dont know where the sudden nostalgia for map packs and loot boxes came from. The battle pass is the best system we have.

[signal ivy]

armor doesn't prevent you from playing with your friends

map packs did

[crystal iron]

Fair

[smoky wave]

Those are cosmetics that didn't seperate the playerbase

[crystal iron]

no thanks, I'll pass

[crystal iron]

True

[main moss]

it doesnt, but there were plenty of good, and honestly better, free maps, having NO FREE CUSTOMIZATION makes it hard to justify playing when other games let me play with friends and progress

[glacial tartan]

If the systems in Infinite were so wildly successful it would have a booming population and it would be the game everyone is talking about - we can say that they should be changed without it being offensive.

[smoky wave]

Like, the prices of it are high and bad but I can still play the game without paying it so

[crystal iron]

...yes, I do

[weary flume]

I think the problem is that the content was so little that player retention suffered severely

[smoky wave]

And I can experience the whole gameplay for free

[crystal iron]

...uhm....operations?

[signal ivy]

imagine wanting to pay monthly plus the cost of the game plus the cost of map packs

[glacial tartan]

I put over 4000 hours into MCC this year does that count

[main moss]

for some reason people here see 2000 players and think its fine because "oh thats just steam" as if console numbers arent also most likely low in comparison to other games

[crystal iron]

Can someone help this guy? I think he's lost

[glacial tartan]

My infinite time didnt show up but it was less

[smoky wave]

60€ + monthly xbox live + map packs + microtransactions wohoo

[olive brook]

This year? How.

[weary flume]

I believe that the game should have taken the cod route. A deep and fleshed out career progression system with all the rewards youd expect, and then on top of that add the season pass

[main moss]

this would have been great

[glacial tartan]

I work from home 😄

[signal ivy]

WFH gang!

[smoky wave]

Lucky

[crystal iron]

Uhm...no?

[glacial tartan]

https://i.imgur.com/LgyWBxH.png

[coarse dagger]

🙌

[glacial tartan]

Im going to assume the dial on the right doesnt go below 5%

[crystal iron]

I don't need to play that many to share my opinions

[main moss]

doesnt destiny have more players than halo by a long shot even though destiny is under a lot of fire rn

like halo is just not doing good at all

[weary flume]

Id rather play halo than Destiny to be honest

[crystal iron]

Can- can someone help me with this owl pfp guy?

[smoky wave]

If Infinite doesn't have a halollions players, then is dead

[glacial tartan]

Numbers dont really matter to people. I believe someone in here called out COD as if it was a flop when it has 90k+ just on steam right now.

[crystal iron]

what- help? Someone?

[coarse dagger]

Chill with caps please

[crystal iron]

What is he talking about-

[main moss]

destiny: 46027 players, halo infinite: 2588 players

[crystal iron]

...huh? I didn't- say anything about that

[smoky wave]

I don't think you can help with that

[glacial tartan]

Its a lost cause. There arent published numbers for Xbox so people will say thats making up the entire difference

[main moss]

halo needs improvements, like a better progression model and a return to the series roots

[crystal iron]

I'm scared

[main moss]

oops wrong reply lol

[smoky wave]

Also, steam numbers moment

[olive brook]

Steam?

[weary flume]

I agree with the first part, The second part has been achieved

[glacial tartan]

See

[main moss]

yes, but why does this matter? console probably has similar counts, and player count matters regardless of platform

[ivory dirge]

yeah not ready

[olive brook]

Console has way more

[glacial tartan]

To be clear, people also only look at MCCs Steam numbers to claim its dead

[main moss]

yeah, so does destiny

[smoky wave]

Your point again

[glacial tartan]

But for Infinite no it definitely has a million players on xbox

[crystal iron]

Who's not ready

[olive brook]

Your point?

[main moss]

my point is that halo is not in a good spot at all and competitors that USED TO MAKE HALO are doing WAY better even in their lowest points, yet a lot of people here seem to be content with halo even though it objectively needs improvements

halo used to be a giant of the industry, now its taking a backseat to indie games

[glacial tartan]

Youre in a Halo discord at whats pretty much a low for the franchise. Of course its going to be mainly defenders here, no?

[ivory dirge]

YOU THINK SO THATS YOUR LIFE not mine

[olive brook]

Halo is a pretty cool guy

[main moss]

see at least other communities like overwatch and destiny will call out the devs and force improvements to be made

[crystal iron]

What-

[main moss]

mr halo is so cool

[ivory dirge]

HALO ONLY

[smoky wave]

You haven't been here last year, didn't you

[glacial tartan]

This discord is not the place for that. If you want improvements, you have to go to Twitter/Content Creators and have them push it.

[coarse dagger]

I don't think anyone has ever denied that it needs improvements, but there's nothing wrong with people enjoying or talking about the parts they like

[ivory dirge]

your crap games get shamed here

[smoky wave]

Or like in any place at all

[crystal iron]

do you think mr halo can help the owl guy

[olive brook]

what r u waffling about

[main moss]

are there even any content creators for halo?

[smoky wave]

Because here at least there was a lot of criticism

[onyx latch]

I find Halo servers tend to be more populated with people who love to complain constantly.

[weary flume]

To be honest I have criticism to share but its important to be constructive about it

[crystal iron]

Fr.....what crap games have we been talking about

[main moss]

thats true, and i respect that people like infinite, but when people say its better than reach or that f2p isnt a problem, im like...huh?

[glacial tartan]

You feed trolls, what do you expect

[coarse dagger]

This is a primary feedback hub, it's absolutely the place to leave constructive criticism

[olive brook]

Halo 🧌

[crystal iron]

Oh..yeah...

[ivory dirge]

apex wtf you even follow halo

[coarse dagger]

Who cares if they like it better than Reach, that's their opinion

[onyx latch]

Most aren't trolls, lmao. They tend to assume I'm the troll because I don't like mid games from 2010.

[coarse dagger]

If you prefer Reach, that's perfectly OK too

[ivory dirge]

where do i see the leaderboard in here

[crystal iron]

What?

[main moss]

what about it is mid though :(

[ivory dirge]

YOU KNOW ONYX RAND

[crystal iron]

Who let their child have their discord account

[coarse dagger]

@ivory dirge chill with the caps

[glacial tartan]

I dont find conversations here fruitful but I understand your point. I would work on MCC for free at this point, since that feedback seems to hit the void

[ivory dirge]

or what you submit

[olive brook]

I seriously have no idea what you’re waffling about

[crystal iron]

what is an onyx rand

[weary flume]

Im currently Platinum

[crystal iron]

I do not know what an onyx rand is? Does he mean rank

[main moss]

i will say, how both mcc and infinite handle battle passes is GENIUS and i wish other games would follow suit, letting people level through a bp forever instead of putting a time limit of 2-3 months before a new pass comes out is amazing

[glacial tartan]

exclude the exchange in MCC from this and sure. the grunt backpack just rotated out and wont come back for another 2 YEARS.

[main moss]

for me though i just remember when everything in these bps came bundled with the game and i felt like i was actually making progress instead of just buying stuff

[main moss]

the exchange?

[glacial tartan]

Its MCCs version of the rotating store idea.

[main moss]

i dont remember that lol

[crystal iron]

I'm just waiting for the owl guy to come back

[glacial tartan]

https://www.halopedia.org/The_Exchange

[main moss]

oh, was that added recently?

or do i just not remember it

[glacial tartan]

Recently back in 2021

(Thats pretty recent for MCC)

[main moss]

oh go figure the last time i played mcc was october 2021 lmao

i have 6.9 hours in infinite and i just cant be bothered to play it more

[olive brook]

infinite is sometimes almost a videogame

[crystal iron]

Sometimes I'm playing husky raid, and I'm like "I'm having fun!" Then I play any other game mode and the drugs wear off

[olive brook]

fr

[glacial tartan]

https://i.imgur.com/NKsqNV5.png I admit to my own bias

[olive brook]

almost 10k hours

[crystal iron]

Guys, I am sorry to say

[olive brook]

i only have like 800 on mcc or something

[crystal iron]

I think I actually spent a hundred dollars on Infinite

Overall

[olive brook]

Was it worth it?

[crystal iron]

No. No, it was not.

[onyx latch]

Oh no. You used legal tender you acquired to purchase things you felt like you wanted like an adult.

That's such a shame.

[crystal iron]

That was kind of rude, honestly. Jesus.

[glacial tartan]

They are allowed to comment on not feeling like they got their moneys worth?

[onyx latch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glacial tartan]

Pretty much expected, no worries 😄

[crystal iron]

Yeah, it's halo

We're not very nice people

[glacial tartan]

No I meant from them specifically - tends to be super edgy for whatever reason.

[crystal iron]

Oh. I wish the owl guy was here

[main moss]

rip owl guy

[onyx latch]

I take umbrage with 'edgy'. A jerk, sure, but 'edgy' is a line too far.

[crystal iron]

onyx rand

[crystal iron]

Dude, that makes it worse

[onyx latch]

Not really.

[crystal iron]

That makes you seem even more edgy- istg

[onyx latch]

So does that mean I like Emile?

[crystal iron]

I'm done, goodbye chat

[onyx latch]

lmao

[crystal iron]

panda man, get back here, I don't want to be the only sane person here

[lime robin]

[frosty condor]

[lime robin]

I'm starting to realize I need a popcorn penguin

[glacial tartan]

Nope, only teenage angst bird ~~man ~~ person for you 😛

[crystal iron]

NO, PLEASE!

[crystal iron]

I'm an actual teen, and I'm less angsty then this man

[lime robin]

The way I see it, you came in here looking for a negative reaction to a purchase decision you made, as if it was bad. The only one who should judge if you did a bad thing by purchasing to your heart's content is you and only you, not some random strangers.

So, while trench's delivery method may not have been the best, it certainly isn't misplaced.

[crystal iron]

Well...uh....it was a joke?

[lime robin]

It doesn't look like it

[crystal iron]

You guys are taking this way too seriously

It was an entirely satirical statement, I didn't really care if I was going to be judged or not

[signal ivy]

[sullen owl]

"Mr. Halo". Thoughts on buying an Xbox Series X while they're on sale from Walmart for Halo Infinite? Currently playing Infinite on PC with an aging 7700k and 1070, controller preference and the controller ~randomly deciding it doesn't want to have aim assist anymore~ is pretty annoying when it happens. Money to burn, does it even remotely feel worth it to have a Series X for at this moment, one game. Is the console experience better than PC in general outside of the aim assist bugs?

[crystal iron]

Mr halo, are rblx halo games better then Infinite?

[grand sand]

the fact it's been like a full on month since the loading issues started and they haven't even tried to fix it

[short magnet]

Forgive me for I have sinned. I've left a match. Enemy team had 2 tanks spawncamping our base in a CTF match. They didn't play the objective. They just farmed spawnkills. Very frustrating to deal with.

[sullen owl]

Yeah... Wish the early game ender would take that into consideration more strongly.

Being farmed is not enjoyable gameplay.

[lime robin]

I absolve you for your sins, my child. Now you must atone with a penance of one Quick Play match and looking at store items for two minutes.

You may go in peace.

[short magnet]

Thank you

[signal ivy]

series x is great, esp with the sales going on right now

if you just want to play games with no fuss, it's a great option

[frosty condor]

Superior console

[signal ivy]

Nope

[bright jasper]

I’ve probably spent about that much overall too. I don’t buy every single thing but I may buy a whole bundle just for one specific item.

If it’s a game I play almost daily I usually do grab stuff from the cosmetics side of things.

[ruby knoll]

the amount of brain damage in scrollback is staggering

[celest heron]

If it's your main game and money isn't an issue, then I wouldn't be against it.

[sullen owl]

Follow up on this, I'm pretty sure I know the answer, because the game is free, I don't need Gold sub to play it right?

Thank you Halo Waypoint for the quick Confirm on that.

[ruby knoll]

@onyx latch bird trench

[glacial tartan]

https://i.imgur.com/IMysoR9.png How is this api endpoint still broken 😦

[onyx latch]

Hi yes I'm Trenchbird

I am edgelord supreme

[supple estuary]

I wish Halo brought back Spartan Teams

[ruby knoll]

Spartan companies would be dope

[void ruin]

Is the battle pass worth it? I just started playing the campaign and was thinking about the multi-player

[tulip tusk]

depends if u want the rewards, u can see what youll get with free pass vs premium pass

[olive brook]

Seasons yes

Operations, not really

[void ruin]

@olive brook sorry this might sound stupid but what is the difference between seasons and operations

[sullen owl]

Seas and Operati are different.

[bright jasper]

One good thing about the last few seasons is that when you complete them you get enough credits out of the tiers that it pays for another. You can complete most of the battle passes just by buying one of them

[void ruin]

@bright jasper thats great to know! Thanks

[young glen]

Word.

[void ruin]

Operations and the season pass are separate, what makes them different

[bright jasper]

Operations are events iirc

[olive brook]

all rewards in operations are free

[void ruin]

Ah ok

Thank you all for the info, its been years sinced I played Halo and now getting back into it

[olive brook]

buying it allows you to keep the operations pass forever so you can complete it later

but its only 20 tiers so not rlly worth it imo

[coarse dagger]

There's an overview of passes and operations in the channel pins

[sharp cove]

your life is halo fr

[glacial tartan]

You dont know anything about me 😄

[sharp cove]

show me your top 10 games based on playtime

[glacial tartan]

It’s not going to look very different. Doesn’t tell you much about my life.

[sharp cove]

yeah it doesnt but im interested

[glacial tartan]

To hurl more insults? I’ll pass on that one buddy.

[short magnet]

The queues for ranked arena are too damn long!

slaps table

[sullen owl]

Just play Squad Battle.

[olive brook]

Halo is life

[short magnet]

Squad isnt my thing. Feels like every game I either stomp, or I get stomped

[tulip tusk]

learning new games is slow for me. i got squad to play the star wars mod which is pretty cool. i just realized u are talking about squad battle in halo oops

[short magnet]

😄

[sullen owl]

Squad star wars mod? Now I might have a reason to buy Squad.

[tulip tusk]

yea it's fun especially for voice chat groups. im always solo i just enjoy looking at stuff and shooting im not very good. someone usually keeps 2-5 Star Wars mod servers going last i remember. oops i quoted wrong person my bad

[short magnet]

does full charge plasma pistol no longer work as an EMP?

[signal ivy]

for Infinite? that is correct

[short magnet]

Cheers, alright. That explains alot.

Now that weapon is even more useless 😄

[young glen]

Gotta use shock weapons.

Shock grenades are the best for disabling vehicles.

[short magnet]

A good point

[tulip tusk]

yea sadly

[short flower]

If squad battle could get snow maps, it could get sidewinder or avalanche, containment, breakpoint, longbow, and stasis.

[tulip tusk]

yea they can update it now since forgers have had time to make lots of snow maps

[bright jasper]

Correct, the disruptor pistol and shock rifle do that instead, along with dynamo grenades. The charged plasma pistol shot does a good chunk of damage to vehicles though. A lot more than your AR or Sidekick do

I made a video a while back about how weapons damage vehicles but I need to make an updated one because a lot has changed.

[white birch]

Interesting. Noted.

[full warren]

I know they dind't touch the other paly lists other than squad but has anyone feel the game is unstable now, i get way more rubber banding, lag, gun jams all the time now

This was not the case in the previous 4 seasons, its really noticable lol

Like there is delay on things I do, gun wont shoot smoothly

[crystal mantle]

question, is it true that jackals and grunts in halo 3 will run away from you depending on the "Scariness" of the weapon youre holding?

[full warren]

Wow this match making is killing me lol

Literally 0 chance of winning

[spring briar]

guys i am playing halo ce legendary. I hate basically every mission.

[left snow]

You'll get bad matches now and then. Overall you seem to be doing OK. 5&5 today. And 13&12 in the last 25.

If you are referring to the Team Slayer on the Pit. 50-32 isn't a great result.

You were the best person on your team... maybe you should have done better than a KD of 1.0?

Only kidding. 😄

I'd say you were Smurfed. The player who went 14 & 4 for them was their "first" game. They were supposed to bring down their two good players - but instead did better than both of them.

[full warren]

Yeah no every game its so bad

There were no smurfs I dont think I check all their stats, they are just bad players on my team

Like exceptionally bad, I am basicly fighting 1v4 and I am happy I even broke even on those games

Two of those games I was alone vs 2 onyx 1500-1600 players and I was the highest at D4 on my team lol, that is just not right

https://imgur.com/a/ZIANymd WTF am I supposed to do here my teammates is dying faster than I can kill

What a joke the haloway point expected me to get 25 kills, but that means I am still 5 short of winning

[rugged quartz]

The halo 5 plasma pistol was so good

[ashen atlas]

Come across rocket flood yet?

[spring briar]

oh yeah

[ashen atlas]

Lol

That’s my favorite part

Always makes me lose about an inch of my hairline

[spring briar]

the past 4 missions are litteraly in the same place

and so repetiitve

[ashen atlas]

Yeah. That’s a a real pain with ce. A lot of repetition in terms of area

Last level is cool though

[spring briar]

can't wait because then it measn i am done

[full warren]

32/10 and I lost 😄 SBMM got some vendetta today

[ashen atlas]

2nd to last level is interesting. That Keyes part scarred me as a kid

[left snow]

That one player would have had an "assumed" MMR of 900.

Went on to have a KD of nearly 4.

Upset the balance of the game. But not much the MM can do. Yoink happens.

[full warren]

buy the other 5 games lol 6 loses in a row, so bad, I only just won a game after playing 2 hours...

by going 27/9.... and abusing the *** out of that needler gun lol

[stoic canopy]

Uhh....is the Last Resort Forge map incredibly buggy looking for anyone else?

[left snow]

Again. Depends on so many things.

They may have been Onyx - but playing with a much chiller Social MMR.

And I'm assuming they were bricked with even worse team mates than you to even out the match.

[stoic canopy]

It straight up makes it look like my GPU is dying but it is fine on the other Forge maps and other games

[full warren]

The issue is I checked the games where I was vs those onyx players, and their worst player not even the worst play in the game... and my team did not do better than their 3rd worst player. no chance it was a even game, either they don't have social mmr or it was loosen so much so those 2 americans got a game by draggin me into their high ping game

Literally playing 90 ping on american server and got put into the lossing team. The game need to take ping into consideration, playing on 12 ping vs 90 is a massive difference

[left snow]

The joke kind of circles back. Your expected kills is based on your average KPM in that game mode.

How you've been performing.

If you were five kills short that because you underperformed. Or your opponent's over performed.

[stoic canopy]

https://imgur.com/a/PV5beFe

This is what the Last Resort Forge map looks like for me

But like Rat's Nest and Vahalla were completely fine

[full warren]

restart you pc or update drivers lol

[full warren]

Yeah but to get 6 lossing games in a row is just stupid, the system could atleast even it out a bit.

[stoic canopy]

Literally every other game is fine

Both Rat's Nest and Vahalla were fine (having played them both back to back before this)

Temps don't even reach a concern (like 82*)

[full warren]

Also no chance that I was the best player on the team vs 2 onyx players, there should been atleast 1 onyx on my team but nope somehow I am worth 2 onyx lol, I am flattered but I am no lucid

[stoic canopy]

That is not how Probabilities or MM works

It's trying to give you a 50% to chance to win, not give you a certain win percentage or give you wins/losses

[full warren]

You will know what I mean if you experience it, it was literally unwinable games, not like we had a chance it was just 15 kills down before the mid point, the games you know is pointless to continue

if any of my games was close then fine that good but nope I think only 1 game was like between 5 kills, rest were stomps

[left snow]

I think we all agree that the MM is making the lobbies too wide from best to worst.

It's can be frustrating.

But you have to let go of it being you and them. You are the one team.

You can go positive and still let the team down. Just as they can go less negative and help the team win!

The danger is when you stop helping / protecting them. Because if the good players on the other team are nurturing their lesser players they will have a head start to the win.

[full warren]

I seen how noobs play, you can not nurture them if they don't follow you, the noobs who follow the goos players like a dog get kills but most i seen just run to the middle of the map and die

I can even use them as a distraction because they die too quickly and then I am stuck 1v2 and no chance I am going to win unless those 2 players suck

There is bad players who can't game but understadn the game then there is bad players who literally is clueless

LOL yeah no chance, i just go put into a game that was already 16/2 to the enermy team.

then 2 players quit istantly as I joined, alt F4 out of that rubbish

You know what I bet its firefight that have ruined my MMR, and now it thinks me getting 50 kills is normal

Guess I am never playing firefight again.

[sharp summit]

yall ever become the best player in the world for like 30 seconds

went 16k 2d in husky raid and felt like a god

[left snow]

Swings and roundabouts.

Flipping a coin will give you a 1 in 32 chance of 6 results the same.

Earlier this month you won 8 in a row. Extending out to 11 out of 12.

[left snow]

Some players just seem to be able to work with them better.

Preventing a death is as good as getting a kill.

And no, your FF shouldn't really affect your MMR in other lists. Apart from the gentle pull and tug of form.

[full warren]

did I win 8 social games in a row? lol

I mean another sign sbmm is messing with me is putting me into 2 games that already started...

I should just play ranked only, atleast taht will put me into even games

[left snow]

It comes and goes. Form and luck play a big part.

It's important not to get tilted. Some players get so wound up and stressed by a loss that they start over committing.

Self fulfilling prophecy.

I have a friend that does just that.

[full warren]

Well I was given a free win 50/33 I guess sbmm finally corrected itself but really If sbmm actually give good matches it woudl been fine but every game is a stomp you can tell if you going to win or not, I lost interest half way into the game ebcause I knew we won

[royal zodiac]

Why don't I have platinum req packs in halo 5

[glacial tartan]

What kind of stats are you pulling? If its SBMM rocking your world you'd be getting 40+ kills and the games would be 50/49 or something similar, yeah?

[full warren]

I mean half the games I am up against onyx players while my team is just bad lol so those I have normal stats and the other half I am on 25 ish kills and still lose by 10 kills in slayer lol

40 kills is extreme lol I don’t think anyone is getting 40 kills even lucid would struggle lol 35 is already pretty high. I had a 31 kills game and that was 45/50 loss. lol

My name is my gaming tag so easy to check

[glacial tartan]

In MCC thats a pretty normal occurrence. Not sure what the 1to1 w/ Infinite would be, but I'm going to assume you're not on the higher end where these issues are more relevant.

[grave ether]

Yeah, but what he's mainly frustrated with is a match like this where he lost 45-50 because it seems he couldn't carry his team hard enough to make up for what seems to be worse than noob players (possible griefers)

Sure going 45 - 50 is technically balanced, but it's balanced in a very frustrating way when you see your team barely putting in any effort

[white birch]

Griefers or derankers maybe?

[glacial tartan]

If this occurred consistently across their games then sure, but one game out of however many is eh

[left snow]

The MM can't predict player behaviour.

I agree that we need to tighten the lobbies. Narrow the gap between the best and worst players.

Even if it means longer wait times.

[left snow]

It's human nature to tilt over a frustrating loss of two.

People often forget that the enemy team is dealing with the same issues.

[grave ether]

Considering how often he is in here complaining about this, I'd say it's pretty common

[crystal iron]

I have died on firefight in the most comical ways... Stuck a Brute with a sticky and he came.flyijg at me with his rear end basically a brute got a Twerk kill lol

Also I only intended to play like 4 rounds of Firefight than go try and build a new class in MH rise.... That was 5 hours ago lol

[sharp summit]

After a full year of owning halo infinite I finally got some vehicle coatings

I seem to have missed every other chance somehow

[crystal iron]

Omg I have to friend the last team I played with, we teabagged every boss after each round... It was like we were all in Unison

[dusk whale]

yeah, the amount of vehicle coatings so far (especially free ones in season passes or drops) is very low. Also i'm still waiting coatings for the banished and forerunner weapons, hope they come some day.

[left snow]

It's interesting what some people find fun and other's don't.

I've looked back across said poster's Halo Tracker a few times now, as part of the discussion, and personally don't see a huge problem.

But that's me.

Some people just don't like the framework of a side that a wide spread of talent. They don't like to carry and/or don't like to be carried.

A lot of people seem to struggle with the concept of your own performance matching the game result. They feel that if they went positive the team should have won. Or that all their team mates should do the same.

Fun is such a subjective thing.

The number of posters I've come across that don't understand the concept of team summation is astonishing. They can't see that one person can go positive and still let the team down, or that another can go negative and actually carry the team to victory.

Maybe I've benefitted from playing a lot of team sports growing up. Especially cricket.

...
PS. Having said all that - I agree that 343 are actually exacerbating the problem by spreading the talent too thin. The MM needs to wait a bit longer and squeeze the lobbies more.

While the games are still 50:50 - the lack of team structure leads to blow outs if your team doesn't gel. The good players can only carry so much.

[sweet dawn]

Hello!

[grave ether]

Trust me, I'm well aware. I've tried to point this out to him in the past, but it hasn't really gotten anywhere.

I only bring up this side of it just because I seem to be noticing this as an issue in general from others more recently of teams balanced like this. Not sure if there's something else going on with the matchmaking or not

[left snow]

Probably the general flux of players into new/event playlists. The H3 throwback and now FireFight.

It drops the population of other playlists which means the MM has to make more games with wider skill ranges than it would like to.

Plus we seem to have a resurgence of Smurfing with the new CSR matching in Ranked. 😦

[sweet dawn]

Sorry if this wouldn't be a correct channel to ask but what is the most budget friendly way I could build a pc that can support infinite?

[frosty condor]

I think it’s called pcpicker

[sweet dawn]

Whats that

I'm new to pc building sorry

[frosty condor]

It’s a website that you pick the parts to the pc that fits your budget

[sullen kiln]

https://imgur.com/EkdkLEH

[frosty condor]

That’s Infinites specs

[grave ether]

I didn't even think about the skewing from the popularity of H3 playlist! In turn I've seen some players say how that particular playlist seems to have great matchmaking so it definitely makes sense there

[sweet dawn]

How much would it cost me?

For medium-high

[frosty condor]

I’d say ~$1k

[crystal iron]

I techniqually spent around 10k ony set ups for console and TV combo... In hindsight it was worth it

[ashen atlas]

Jesus, 10k

And I thought I went hard on my setup

[sweet dawn]

I assembled a list of parts which is $1500 cad and $1248 US

[frosty condor]

Not bad

[sweet dawn]

Closer to $1600 cad actually

[frosty condor]

My ultra pc was $4k usd

This was back in 2019 tho

[sweet dawn]

Could I put the list somewhere for some help on what I should change or if I picked an unreliable brand

[frosty condor]

I don’t see why not, but I ask to put in #general-chat or maybe #1075989764026675210 as it’s not particularly halo discussion related

[short flower]

I likely will be getting achievement Life Story this weekend or Monday!

[zealous panther]

I just hate crows nest lvl.

[sharp summit]

Same

I have collected rewards points so I have 10$ gift card so I might be able to get a season pass like lone wolves or something and be able to run through multiple passes like that

I think 1000 credits is 12$ CAD though

[sullen owl]

Do it. I bought the original pass, and then Microsoft sent me $10 for ~no reason~ that I can tell. Used it to buy the next pass, and I've been rolling on that ever since.

[sharp summit]

The only issue is Xbox gives me 10$ but credits are 12$ I think

[sullen owl]

If it does, that's only $2 you have to chip in on top. Depends on if the cosmetics are worth that to you or not.

[sharp summit]

I have lots of money to spend but I like the idea of earning it through the rewards points

I wouldn't have a problem just buying the season

[analog salmon]

earning points playing halo to then buy stuff in halo

[analog salmon]

Luck lol

[sharp summit]

Yeah I wish we could earn them or have more free stuff available

[analog salmon]

do you not get the two hundred and something points for playing infinite on PC

i think it takes about 15-20 minutes for this to unlock playing firefight matchmaking or something

[sharp summit]

No

I mean credits

But its hit and miss when I get those points

[analog salmon]

yeah that's the annoying thing

i just play a match of firefight if i feel like it and if i dont get the points oh well

i get them enough for it to be worthwhile

[sharp summit]

I don't think earning credits in halo would devastate the economy, if someone doesn't spend money on games halo won't get money anyway. So it just gives more to the game

Yes there is slight loss but more people will like it I think

[swift fiber]

hello guys i need help. i tried to launch mcc from steam but it says failed joining xbox live while i dont need one. what should i do? when i press retry it does nothing

[sullen owl]

You need to login to your Microsoft account regardless.

#1075989764026675210 you might be able to search in here and find someone who ran into a similar issue.

[swift fiber]

i deleted a xbl dll cause reddit said so

am i stupid?

what should i do now?

[young glen]

Try verifying files for MCC first.
If that doesn't work, the .dll might be part of the Windows package, which means you'll need to run the system file checker.

Both functions try to repair, which means they replace any corrupted or missing essential files.

But keep in mind you need a Microsoft account to play MCC online.

"To play Halo: The Master Chief Collection online on a PC through Steam: You need an Xbox network account. If you don't have one, you can create one for free."

https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us/articles/360037081792-Xbox-Live-Gold-account-requirements-to-play-Halo-The-Master-Chief-Collection-online#:~:text=Steam Games (PC),can create one for free.

As you're likely on a Windows machine, just use the same login that is associated with your Windows key (your Microsoft account).

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[young glen]

@chrome pumice Hey, a new spotlight is out with a submission form for the unicorn. I remembered you were advised to fill it out to possibly get your unicorn from July.

[chrome pumice]

You are a legend, thank you!!

[dusk whale]

i don't know how it works with canadian dollars, since i'm european. But what i did was i used my rewards points to get the S2 pass and unlock it and with the coins from that seasonpass to buy every season pass since and later when i got enough reward again i bought another 1000 coins to buy the S1 pass (since that is the only pass that doesn't give you coins, the other seasonpasses pay themselves back)

[sharp summit]

Yeah that's the plan

[swift fiber]

I know that I've been playing mcc since around 5 months afo

[sharp summit]

I buy only the seasons that give back

[misty vale]

The season 1 bp probably the weakest one anyway

[glacial tartan]

SBMM finally just giving me what I want - no team https://i.imgur.com/oKYMWm3.png

(this is a joke - first time Ive connected completely solo against a group of 3 and then a teammate randomly connected and then left)

[sullen owl]

Could have been worse, could have been you against a team of 7 or something whacky.

[glacial tartan]

This would be wild in a 4v4, agreed

[analog salmon]

i've always thought the game should just cancel the match when it knows players are missing at the start

like the game knows the player hasnt loaded by the fact they arent on the scoreboard at all

ideally it would just pause until it can find another player to fill which i think Infinite might do sometimes, cant really tell

[crystal iron]

Really it should just re-arrange the teams to equalise the numbers, even if it needs to temporarily force the fireteam apart until post-game.

[glacial tartan]

The problem is the users tickets were available for the matchmaker - so it created the session, but during the connection process they disconnected for whatever reason but its too late from the servers POV

Reminds me of the whole "quitting after half of your team is gone" thing.

If your teammates join back you'll be retroactively banned. Some things arent considered lol

[sullen owl]

Can always repoll as a final check. It's rare enough where I would hope people could understand being sent back out of the game for it.

"We've made a mistake, here is some exp."

[analog salmon]

yeah just sending players back to the lobby seems not too difficult to implement

pausing the match while it finds another player or reshuffling players is a bit more tricky i'd guess

[glacial tartan]

Thats what happens when someone in the lobby has deleted a map (which doesnt seem to be against the rules? cant tell) the entire lobby is kicked back to the search

[sharp summit]

The worst is in a ranked game

I stopped playing ranked because I am pretty sure people quit on purpose to be annoying

Because it happened every single game

[glacial tartan]

Is rejoining on the infinite roadmap? (do they still publish an infinite roadmap)

[wanton root]

343 doesn't do long term roadmaps anymore

[sharp summit]

I still wish even though it won't happen that PlayStation was able to play halo, it would Invite a lot of new players

[bright jasper]

I noticed during my placements and when I was still in Platinum that quitting was very frequent. I think a lot of people are trying to lower their CSR on purpose that way. I don’t see quitters very often in Diamond

I know there’s a sub community of people that want to make low CSR accounts for various reasons

[short magnet]

Sorry to butt in, does anyone else have trouble finding a Squad Workshop game?

[full warren]

so many people just smurfing on their account with 50 games to abouse social do they not have a life lol

[woeful echo]

I do! Sometimes, when the game actually finds me a game I cannot get pass the loading screen of the season (the one that shows you the in-game tips and suggestions). After minutes or so, the game kicks me out saying I was inactive during the match even though I didn't even load the match.

Idk if you're facing the same issue but I wanted to communicate my issue too haha

[short magnet]

I appreciate it! been looking at my spartan for the past 6 minutes while the 'searching' bar does its best Nightrider imitation

I suppose I'll retreat back to quickplay for now

[full warren]

back to having 3 noobs with 0 games played on my team fun fun

[sharp summit]

Yeah I stopped when I reached platinum because it was too annoying

[sharp summit]

Btb all the way

I'm awful at btb I played too much Husky raid and its a completely different playstyle

[short magnet]

I don't like BTB. I can never get any kills. Everytime I start shooting an enemy, 2 others pop up to make it a 1v3

[sullen owl]

Have to play with a squad or at least one other person for maximum effectiveness.

[ebon lava]

goofing around with friends is fun but tbh if you're goofing around with friends any game can be fun

i also don't enjoy btb that much since it feels very unenjoyable playing solo (especially when the enemy is spamming vehicles)

[full warren]

I dont understand this game obsession wiht playing with friends

[ebon lava]

in Halo or in general?

Only reason I stayed around with Infinite since S1 till now is because the 4v4 arena is so much fun to play in, otherwise I woulda left around a year and a half ago

[short magnet]

I don't have any friends that play Halo 😦

[sullen owl]

It's a multi-player game, those are best with the multiple players being friends.

[ebon lava]

at least personally I can't offer the same goodwill towards BTB

[sullen owl]

You do now, friend.

[short magnet]

though to be fair, I'm mostly a solo gamer

[short magnet]

Aww ❤️

[ebon lava]

most of my friends unfortunately moved on to better handled games 😔

[young glen]

This game or community? The game very much allows a solo style lol.

[ebon lava]

not like those other games are any better today but at least they function properly

[young glen]

The only thing that would encourage me to buddy up with someone would be doubles and campaign co-op. We have a game browser, Infection, and now Firefight. If you were solo in Halo 3 or 4, you'd be out of luck for most stuff other than the mainstream matchmaking playlists.

[young glen]

12v12 BTB or Squad Battle? Squad Battle is still chaotic but much more manageable.

[short magnet]

I have it in Squad too, but mostly in BTB. Its all about vehicles and power weapons. In 4v4 I feel I have much more influence over how the game goes.

[sullen owl]

Oh absolutely you have more influence by far.

[ebon lava]

the AR Pistol loadout makes me feel powerless when seemingly half the enemy team has BRs and Manglers lol

I liked the AR Bandit loadout in btb for a bit though

[sullen owl]

25% of your team is you in a 4 vs 4, compared to 8% in 12 vs 12.

[sharp summit]

Well when I play btb I like to grab a warthog and drive with someone in the back

[sullen owl]

The sidekick is extremely powerful as a starting weapon.

[ebon lava]

ik, but the bloom is weird on mnk unfortunately

[sullen owl]

It's the premier way to play. Always buddying up in a warthog when I can.

[ebon lava]

a lot of headshots that controller players hit i seemingly can't ever

[sharp summit]

If I get a good player in the back paired with a good driver then the warthog can do a lot

[ebon lava]

might be skill issue, since other times I also absolutely shred with it, just seems inconsistent to me is all

[full warren]

This game is basicly solo and i wished it is only solo so I dont face these stupid duos

not getting any wins even going 25 + kills in a slayer is fustrating

[sharp summit]

Is it hard to drive warthog on controller? There seems to be a limited amount of drivers

[ebon lava]

on the contrary

[sharp summit]

Everyone goes for gunner

[short magnet]

I'd like the gunner to be MKB but driver to be Controller

[ebon lava]

controller has the basic controls for every driving game, Left Stick to steer (i think)

[sharp summit]

In on PCs and I find it easy to drive

[ebon lava]

with mnk though Halo for some weird reason decided the only way to steer should be the mouse

no WASD 😔

[sullen owl]

Helps to plug in a steering rig when driving. If I'm not in a full driver seat with surround vr windows, I'm not even trying. You know?

[sharp summit]

Yeah I remember playing combat evolved and remembering controls on that were hard for me

Didn't know what it's like now for controller

[ebon lava]

I found it very hard to adapt to in Halo Reach (my first halo campaign), and I still don't like it in Infinite

WASD is inherently better since the entire draw of mnk driving is looking around with mouse while driving yknow

[sharp summit]

I wish there was a first person view for driving

[sullen owl]

Think of the aiming reticule as a point that the front bumper of your vehicle is tied to with an invisible string. Motion comes from the string tether point pulling the vehicle along.

[ebon lava]

oh I don't have trouble with it anymore, I just don't like it

[glacial tartan]

https://i.imgur.com/y1GdfNy.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/lFf9KMR.png https://i.imgur.com/O5e6Hle.jpeg just a few from the last however many hours. It could be considerably worse 😄 cant win them all!

[sharp summit]

I really want that feature it would be more immersive which I think is a problem in this game

[sullen owl]

Fair enough. lmao

[ebon lava]

😓

[sullen owl]

Not having a toggle is a little weird, yeah. It'd be super nauseating to drive with how Halo plays with vehicles, but it could be cool. Especially to be in the flying vehicles in first person or the covenant vehicles.

[sharp summit]

Generally halo infinite isnt that immersive I feel, the ui, the colours of it, when it switches views, the player highlights

It would be an amazing way to play if some of that was fixed

[ebon lava]

First Person Vehicle options are normally only fun to see in grounded driving games imo, games like War Thunder or other milsim games are immersive yes but very nauseating till you get used to them

[young glen]

Did any Halo ever feel 'immersive?' Maybe ODST.

[ebon lava]

Halo being VERY arcadey and bouncy with its vehicles is not gonna be fun to drive around in 1st person

but immersive? sure

[sharp summit]

It could be smoother yes but it wound be fun

Just a damping effect on the camera could fix that

[short magnet]

Halo Reach Campaign definitely. That game can still give me goosebumps just by remembering certain scenes

[ebon lava]

btw, can someone help me with knowing if folk in EU are having trouble finding ranked matches? I cannot seem to get one for the life of me

not even Team Snipers lobbies apparently lmao, been in the search queue for like 15min now

[full warren]

not worse but not better either lol.... not much better and considering its infinite with a bigger population right now than mcc

someone tell me this is not the worst steak you seen, https://imgur.com/a/xD9mRCJ I basicly came top of my team every game except the games I quit

[short magnet]

Same, Platinum 2 has barely any players. I got a few games back-to-back a few days ago. But that had atleast the same 4 people in it, myself excluded.

[glacial tartan]

I dont see anything egregious in your game history.

[full warren]

I am searching now it says 3 mins

[ebon lava]

LMAO same no way

just three nights ago I was getting matches back to back with the same 6 people at 3am in the morn

[ebon lava]

still searching TS, no luck 😔

[full warren]

I mean its not as bad as going 38 kills but this is infinite you never going to get 38 kills normally in these sbmm

[ebon lava]

I'm not even from the EU, I'm using a vpn and its still bad

[glacial tartan]

I think you're exactly where you're supposed to be, smack in the middle of the average.

[full warren]

Also I am not dropping big numbers is because I am facing much harder opponets than what my team is doing lol its basicly a 1v4 every game

[ebon lava]

bruh 😭 i just connected to a US server and instantly found a match, this has to be a joke

[full warren]

I just want a fair team lol. also I am literally coming top of my team every game, how is that average lol

[glacial tartan]

You can be better than your average teammates and still be average 😦

[ebon lava]

the game is very weird with its matchmaking criteria

[glacial tartan]

Its nothing personal, but just because you saw a few videos on SBMM on YouTube doesnt mean you're being screwed either

[ebon lava]

even though we're not the top of any charts the game somehow expects us to carry 3 people on our team who have never held a controller in their life

[full warren]

Its been like this for a whole year, I am being screwed lol because eu population its sbmm is so messed up

There is literally timezones I can not play, when there is not many players playing its a auto loss I tested, during the day and very late at night I will lose 90% of the games it happens every day, only time I get fair games is during dinner time

[young glen]

Suffering from success, for real.

[full warren]

Like having 1/XX team mates every game while the enermy team are all 7/XX is obvious my team mates are worse

[sullen owl]

You play better when you're fed obviously.

[sharp summit]

I'll sometimes just become the best player in the world for like 30 seconds and wipe a whole team

Sometimes it be like that where you hit every shot and land every punch while dodging bullets

But I mostly spawn in the sights of a sniper and die

[inner wave]

Does anyone have the tabs for Halo Reach Overture on Electric Guitar?

[full warren]

or more like the bad players go eat while the good players stay on lol

or the bad players play better after eating

[full warren]

so what makes you think I am average, that is the better question lol. I am sure being D4 places me at the top 20% of the player base even on halo tracker where not everyone is tracked. so I don't know lol what is average

[glacial tartan]

Ignore the specific wording; the point was not an outlier

[full warren]

But you dont need to be lucid to have sbmm give you bad games lol. You just need to be better than most and my actuall mmr is probably better than D4 since I played 5 placement and got put there

[sullen owl]

This is why you have to be consistent with your gaming diet. Mountain Dew and Doritos 100% non-stop, every second you're on the death screen. You will play better with fuel.

[glacial tartan]

If you consistently get 20 kills, you're going to placed in games where you're expected to get 20 kills in this system. If you're being expected to get 40 kills and you're someone who usually gets 20 kills, that would be a failure of the system.

Its not as simple as stomping your feet when you lose and saying "I'm only losing because of SBMM"

[sullen owl]

Woah, we already solved it. They're losing because they aren't eating enough doritos. Case closed.

[glacial tartan]

With a lower population its harder to have more balanced matching. You can queue with players similar to your skill level to attempt to balance things in your favor, but if you keep solo queuing (and 343 doesnt change anything) then you cant continue to be surprised

[full warren]

lol placed D4 again after my 5 placements

The thing is why can't there be a game where I dont have to be the best player LOL

why can't I get some other playr carrying me, I am only get 20 kills because I have bad team mates, I will happily be the 15/15 guy while someone else can go 25/10

[glacial tartan]

you just played one in ranked - are you saying specifically in social?

[full warren]

I mean in social, I am fine with ranked

that is perfeclty balanced compared to social lol, I am happy to play vs anyone D4-1600 onyx lol, because I actually have a chance of winning because my teammate will be equaly good

The only thing I need to do now is practice the bandit, playing ranked is like the first time using this gun lol, so weird at aiming

Like in social you could place a bunch of Diamond plat and gold players together and that would be still an good game compared to what I am playing now, with players with 0 games played in a lobby with low onyx or diamond players

[glacial tartan]

You can create a thread in #1039633978841374720 and lead the conversation there - but coming back here consistently over a year with the exact same complaint (while terrible for your mental health) is also considered spam by this servers rules.

You cant claim to be above average and also hope to get into games with players to carry you. If you want actual balanced games thats what ranked is for.

Social is doing the best it can w/ the data it has. If you want SBMM to be completely removed then all you're doing is making it more of a wild west.

[full warren]

I have created multiple threads and well its not like us talking about it does anything

[glacial tartan]

Maybe im not understanding your complaint. But it seems to be the low population you have a problem with as opposed to the SBMM

[full warren]

I just think sbmm is too loose when it comes to games outside USA, I got played in USA once, during 2am where there was no one in the UK and those are some of the best game I ever had on team slayer, everyone was high diamond or onyx and it was actually fun

[glacial tartan]

Social is never going to say "lets match all Onyx players against all Onyx players". Thats not information in the matchmaking ticket. Its going to look at your playlist specific MMRs and match you that way

[sullen owl]

To be fair, to solve the specific problem Lightning is running into, you'd need to have 10x the player numbers. It's probably a better idea to change the formula to fit the playerbase you have.

[full warren]

I also suggested multiple times players with 0 games should have a protected queue because they just quit all the time because they are obviously not happy being placed vs good players and got 0/10 in the first 3 mins

[glacial tartan]

I agree the formula should be changed - while I'm discussing it from MCCs perspective not Infinites - but I'm also not blind that 343 hasnt even commented on the perceived issue.

[sullen owl]

Halo 3 did this from what I remember and it worked out pretty OK.

[full warren]

Most game do it, for some reason halo dont. for apex I had to play like a bunch of noob games before I could even play their normal mode, league of legend does the same.

[full warren]

Yeah I had some crazy good games in US servers when there is no EU players online, I didn't realise you could have team slayer games where everyone is doing something lol

[bright jasper]

The problem is similar in ranked although it at least tries to use CSR as a metric as well. It’s still trying to “balance” everything the same way, and you’re rewarded/punished for a lot of things

The core issue no matter what is solo queueing. It’s a freaking nightmare no matter what playlist it is, because nobody is going to ever for any reason ever work with you in a positive way, and communication is out the window

Your only chance is to get lucky and get people who are naturally competent and they’ll just play well around you, and you need to utilize their abilities and play around them.

[full warren]

That is another point, I saw two onyx players duo on team slayer and that basicly ruined EU match making because it could not find any good players to play vs them so I got thrown in their games and sbmm struggled to give me good enough teammates to even have a chance of winning. There is something seriously wrong with sbmm when there is low pop. and when people duo, trio, There just isn't enough players to even match them so they just give them anyone. Because if sbmm is working then they woont have 70% win rate over 20 games lol.

[glacial tartan]

Its the same solution I've recommended for MCC. Teams should have a priority in matching other teams (without being strict) that gets relaxed over time if no matches are found.

If youre a team of 4 you are more likely - but not forced - to match other teams of 4. More complex, but would hopefully result in a better matchmaking experience.

If mm times exceed a certain rate (which data would have to determine) then you could allow a To4 to match a team of 3 and a solo, or two duos, etc.

Matching a team of solos should be the WORST CASE i.e. LEAST LIKELY scenario, and not accepted on its face.

[bright jasper]

The main issue there is that the game doesn’t give quite enough weighting to parties too. The ability to communicate alone gives them a huge edge that raw skill alone might not be able to overcome

[glacial tartan]

BUT EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES the experience you have of feeling like you need to carry will likely still continue. Because its a lower population and math isnt perfect 🙂

[bright jasper]

Parties should have a higher CSR/MMR weighting than they do, they shouldn’t be able to mollywop randoms in the same tier so often

[full warren]

Well yes I don't know how 343 can fix the issue other than maybe tighten the sbmm for socials, I dont know why people always say to loosen it, I don't think they understand sbmm

[sullen owl]

I'd say it's a matter of atention span. Any queue longer than 3 minutes and the kids are screaming dead game.

Have to match people quick when you have them.

[ebon lava]

it would be an issue if you know there are people playing in your area but you can't find matches for 3min tho

if your area is legitimately dead then fair enough

[full warren]

just put a counter to show how many players on your server

[ebon lava]

mhm

something alike Titanfall 2 would be good enough

[full warren]

give them a warning

if there is expected high wait time, but that would mean 343 to fix their estimated time counter

whihc only works for americans lol since apparently 4am is when I get the least wait time in all queues 😄

I have 1:01 right now for team slayer but once it reaches 2am on wards it will drop to like 0:30 which is really stupidly designed system, kinda insulting because it feels like 343 don't even care about anyone other than usa players lol

[celest heron]

I've read about good player parties continually matching a newb party with guests when mcc tried that cause of lack of pop. Not something that happened to everyone, but one of the bad side effects.

[sullen owl]

That's actually super unfortunate. lol

So many ideas are good on paper with a large Fortnite scale population in queue, but when put into action. Oof.

[glacial tartan]

This is how ticket based matchmaking works - your ticket expires after a certain period of time and when you poll the server you get a new wait time. (Not that I agree w/ showing it, never liked it)

You tell the player (RIGHT NOW you have an expected wait time of 2 minutes) but someone could drop out 1 second later and you have no idea until your ticket expires.

[full warren]

but they should restrict it to like your local server, because I am sure they have the stats to know what normally the wait time is for a UK player playing at 1am on a friday night lol, and they can extrapolate it based on that day;s players, I dont need to have usa server stats when I barely ever get their games

Sometimes I would never get into america server at 2am while others days I only get america servers past 2am

[sullen owl]

I see the problem now. Nobody in the UK plays video games. They're too busy watching football on the tellie.

[glacial tartan]

At least in MCC thats not exactly how it works. You have a pool of servers so you get the number based on the pool.

[sullen owl]

Mostly kidding, but what we really need is for Microsoft's mid-ocean server trials to be successful. I haven't looked into that in a long time though.

[glacial tartan]

In MCC if you forced only your servers you would see a reflected wait time (assuming you sniff the packets and read that value, since its not shown in the UI) but its not satisfying to see "Wait time: 20 minutes". Hard balance.

[full warren]

But football season is not is on right now lol

[sullen owl]

They're busy waiting for the tellie to turn on again.

[full warren]

put a oil rig there and put the server on there, but american will complain haha

[sullen owl]

No complaints, drill baby drill, and all that.

[full warren]

I just feel like anything is better than their current estimated time lol, because it just doesn't make sense for anyone outside USA. to see 15s waiti time past midnight then when you queue it takes a few mins

[sullen owl]

I have a solution. Virtual avatar queue. All of the players queuing are put into a sandbox match together and they get plucked by a giant claw into a bucket. When the bucket is full, the match starts.

[celest heron]

just a smaller pop overall

[sullen owl]

Super engaging, like the mini-games that used to be on loading screens before one of the companies patented it and did nothing with it.

[full warren]

sounds like those pre-lobby in those battle royale

[sullen owl]

Pretty much, yeah.

[full warren]

force all xbox games to have halo as a prelobby loading screen isntantly increase population

[sullen owl]

Ship Halo pre-installed.

Would have to patch when connected to the internet, but boom, it's already there.

[young glen]

The claw is our master.

[dusk thunder]

I just got crammed into a 4v8 squad battle in progress? Yeah, no. Quitting that crap.

At least 8 people left dipped out before me lol

[sullen owl]

You have to stay. Fight like you mean it.

[glacial tartan]

I struggle with join-in-progress being a thing w/ Halo Infinite when rejoin isnt there yet.

[tulip tusk]

rejoining that would be great bc i crash pretty frequently

[sharp summit]

How good is your computer

I have never crashed

[tulip tusk]

its meh an oldish laptop, lenovo legion 5

[sharp summit]

Anyone know a good map with all the vehicles available to use for testing purposes

[left snow]

1000x.

They need to narrow the SBMM to tighten the skill gap in the lobbies. Between the best and worst players.

Use bots to flesh out the below average population.

Unfortunately this means longer wait times for very good players and/or difficult to match squads. 😦

[magic night]

I'm all for starting matches off with bots when pop is low in any skill range.

[full warren]

I think a Spartan bot is only about plat level tho, in some aspec like shooting it obviously can be onyx level and never miss but the movement is the part where some times they are amazing and other they run into a wall and get stuck lol

[magic night]

It would solve a problem for pretty much everyone plat and below of getting teammates/opponents who are too good.

[crystal iron]

Wonder when cross core shoulders are dropping

[dusk whale]

true, then again: better a match with for instance 2x onyx + 2x max skilled bot vs 2x onyx + 2x max skilled bot then a match where you get noobs on your team in stead of those strongest bots i guess, since those noobs would be way worse.

[midnight aspen]

iv got a clip of a guy im very confident is hacking, what do i do with it haha

[bright jasper]

If it’s pretty clear cut you can go through https://www.halowaypoint.com and submit a ticket

They’ll want you to add the clip to the report

[full warren]

you looked it in theater mode and confirmed his wall hacking or his aim botting?

I mean if his got 70% accuracy that would be another tell lol, most player do not get that high but a hacker can get it normally every game

[midnight aspen]

yes and hes literally shooting heads the exact moment to a millisecond they appear from corners, and shooting walls where enemies are directly behind etc

[full warren]

then yes lol

[stiff nebula]

I hope Season 6 is absolutely loaded with content

[misty vale]

I will admit that part of me thinks a lot of the folks I've blocked because of their constant whinging are the very bad players that are fed to me.

That said I went 34-3 KA:D in that last game of workshop. Those guys were playing with wiimote motion controls i think

That sort of game, while fun for me, cannot be fun for them. Crazy bad players.

And there's no learning happening. They're lost like toddlers in the woods and I'm just there with them me and my wasp

[zealous panther]

622 out of 700 MCC achievements. I feel tired and I don't want to grind mp games because I just can't find any, especially in halo 2 anniversary

[zealous panther]

new operation items as bad as the last one... 11 levels of filler is just... oh well.

[stiff nebula]

I feel like Poseidon's 👑 would be a good HCS 2024 WC shop bundle armour effect. Does anyone agree? It being a free Twitch drop would be even better but I can't see that ever happening unfortunately.

[knotty haven]

I hope season6 brings more power weapons and vehicles
I think we have enough of precision weapons now

[low musk]

I’d definitely would@be happy with the railgun and OG shotgun coming back.

[fiery pewter]

Why is it so hard to get decent teammates ?

I keep getting absolute bots

I'm not that good that i can carry them to vitcory each time, i'd like to be the one carried once in a while

Why is sbmm like this?

[left snow]

Sometimes it can be a bit confusing.

What is you estimated MMR? What playlists are we talking. What do you think is % chance of their being players available that are better than you?

A lot of people underestimate how much work the MM has in front of it.

All you can do is go out there and play. Make your own fun. Don't get hung up on "carrying" - the MM only expects you to perform at your current level. No more. No less. The same for everyone on your team and in the opposition. The "pressure" is subjective and you are placing it on yourself.

[fiery pewter]

Any playlist tbh, i get decent/teammates like once every 10 matches

[full warren]

Just had a game where all my team mates did not get a single kill for 5 mins while I was 13/5

[fiery pewter]

I am not that good i can do the work for 3 more people

[full warren]

we obviously lost because their team was all contributing by capturing objectives and my team did not win any fight so lost all objective

and me running around is not fast enough to capture them, objective games in this sbmm is terriable

[left snow]

It's all relative. You are only expected to do the work of your MMR.

How much emphasis you put on "having to carry" is up to you.

The MM is pretty much saying if you play your expected role, and they play their expected role, at whatever level, then the team will have a 50:50 chance of winning. Same for the opposition.

It's an interesting psychology. I played a lot of Cricket - which is a team game pretty much made up of the sum of individual efforts. Players had different skills - and it's interesting how different people invested different levels of emotional energy into their performance vs the team result.

[left snow]

Probably.

That's a problem with any MM.

Even in Ranked.

You can't predict how a team is going to gel / perform together.

Imagine putting four players who are specialist snipers on a close quarters map that doesn't have a sniper rifle.

There is an element of luck here. But the opposition is largely dealing with the same issues.

[fiery pewter]

I get pissed because if i don't play my best i'd only be losing, and it's not fun losing due my team being a bot parade.
I don't mind when we lose because the enemy team are just better, but losing against people i'd mop the floor with when having a decent team because i have 30 kills and my team can't reach 10 in 3 people score summed up i get kinda upset

[fiery pewter]

I know that feeling m8

[full warren]

I dont even know why I hit play next

Its just game after game of having bad team mates and me trying to get 35 kills to win ... whihc is hard

[left snow]

Again, the MM is only using your current Social MMR to make the teams. That is all it expects.

A loss can happen because you drop in form. Or your team-mates dropped in form. Or your opposition had a surge in form.

It's a team game.

If there were enough players to give you better team-mates you would also be playing better enemies. And the MM would still only expect you to play to your MMR. No more. No less. The only difference is your "expectation" of you vs your team mates.

[left snow]

The simple answer is don't. Do something else that brings you joy.

But you keep coming back. Months after your original disgruntlement. So I assume the game still gives you something.

The SBMM isn't going to change anytime soon. There just aren't enough players of your level to give you Social games with closer squads. So you need to work out how you are going to deal with it.

And yes. I am with you. I think 343 need to bite the bullet and push wait times up to give better squads.

And thank God there is a Match Composer coming.

[fiery pewter]

So basically i just should shut up and take an undeserved L because the sbmm is trash and gets me bots for teammates

[fiery pewter]

This is why i only play to do the weekly challange and bail, the current matchmaking system is not good imo, i have more fun on cod, with all its issues, than i do on Infinite

[left snow]

No. Not by any means.

Just take solace in the fact that the L may or may not be your fault. It's a team game so it all depends on the sum of who played better or worse than expectation. And who did better or worse for the opposition.

You can let the team down by going less positive. Just like one of the other players can help the team by going less negative.

[left snow]

What approximate MMR are we talking here?

[fiery pewter]

I have no idea how to look that up, perhaps on waypoint?

[left snow]

Have you ventured into Ranked at any stage?

And don't get me wrong. There are things that 343 could do to help the MM. There's a thread going on with over 2000 replies. Lot's of different perspectives. Maybe a little bit of consensus. But only a little.

[fiery pewter]

I did, got my onyx emblem and left, i don't like ranked.

Mostly due to the fact that i play solo and the only people i can play with are below my skills, so i'd give them an awful expirierence

[left snow]

The MM struggles to find matches for good players.

Onyx at least puts you in the top 2% or so.

If your actual MMR is around 1650 then you are in the top 0.5% or so of the population. That doesn't leave a lot of players to match against - especially in niche playlists. And you are relying on them to be searching at the same time on the same servers.

There aren't players to match you, let alone form a game where you get carried.

So, it has no choice but to create matches vs lower ranked teams. And then handicap you with relative "duds".

If it gave you decent team mates you would smash the opposition. Completely.

...
Your best hope is the match composer. It's coming (yay). And hopefully it will make it easier for the top 0.5% to be funneled into the same playlists and then get games.

[fiery pewter]

I can't believe i'm that high, as i said, i'm not that good.
Tell me how can i see my exact number of mmr

[left snow]

You can't see your Social MMR. Only your Ranked one. Or at least your CSR - which gives you an idea of your average MMR.

If you got to Onyx fairly quickly after placement - chances are your MMR is around that 1600 mark.

[full warren]

When did you get onyx is also important season 1 onyx is like current plat lol

[fiery pewter]

When i decide to suffer and play ranked, i get always put 2 ranks under onyx when i'm done with placement matches

[fiery pewter]

my csr had something like 4,6% or around that

[left snow]

Bottom line is that if you are mid to high Onyx - we're talking 0.5% or so of the population.

Spread over servers, playlists, and time of the day.

The MM simply doesn't have enough players to find you closer matches.

[left snow]

4,6%?

[fiery pewter]

Top 4.3%

[left snow]

I assume you got that number off Halo Tracker or something similar. It's not helpful as it's only a % of those who look up their stats on said webpage - so it gets skewed to the right.

Make an estimate of your MMR and enter it into a Normal Distribution calculator.

But really it doesn't matter. It's clear from your CSR and the types of lobbies SBMM is giving you, we're talking a very thin population at your skill level.

[fiery pewter]

If only we had mixed lobbies like back in the day

[left snow]

...
A Match Composer is coming. That should help.

And I think 343 should have a play list that has zero SBMM. For players such as yourself. And squads that are too spread to match.

So that you have plan B.

[left snow]

Mixed lobbies?

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, back when skill was not the only (or rather most important) factor to matchmaking, on the old Halos or CoDs, you had a mix of various skills and always top tier connection

[left snow]

That would have just created other problems.

Good players and squads would have just had an easy time vs softer opposition.

The MM back then didn't have a magic button that produced high skilled players out of nowhere to produce a proper mix of matches.

I suppose it may have been tempered a bit by the relatively higher population and smaller number of playlists. It was a different time. And I don't think the skill gaps were as high as they are now.

Anyway. Match Composer. It's our only hope.

[full warren]

wow how is this guy not banned, 12 KDA and he started the game 16/0 not missing a single snipe

legit hacking over 1200 games with like average 12kda is stupid lol, if his really this good he should go pro, because thats stats better than lucid lol

[glacial tartan]

If Infinite is similar to MCC in terms of in game actions, it’s a losing battle. Even if they are actioned (which may never happen) the game is F2P so new account in 3 minutes and they are back. Report them via waypoint but yeah.

[dusk whale]

because the game severely lacks SBMM and therefore doesn't match you with people around your own skill. The only thing the matchmaking seem to do is teambalancing, but not actual SBMM.

[dusk whale]

Even if it wasn't F2P you would have that problem. MCC wasn't F2P and had that same problem, since they could still just easily create another account and continue playing.

[smoky wave]

That literally happens in paid games too, smurfing is just like that basically

[glacial tartan]

When I used F2P in that context I could have been more specific - I think it confused the point. There is no barrier to playing as many accounts on a single license, so effectively the issue is the same even with MCCs price tag.

[celest heron]

what does he play for the most part? you can get those k/d's farming husky raid or grifball in previous games.

[celest heron]

you can go on halo tracker and see what your onyx rank was to give you an idea, but not for social.

[celest heron]

mainly a ms issue cause they let people make free gt's.

[turbid terrace]

A kind of wish there were more PvE Challenges now that firefight is out. Maybe a set of 10 PvP Challenges, another set of 20 PvE Challenges, resulting in 20 challenges available to complete. But I think you should only have to complete 10 challenges in total to unlock the weekly reward challenge. So you could do 5 PvE and 5 PvP or any such combination to increase the flexibility.

[sharp summit]

Why do people just quit the game in ranked

So annoying, people don't have any respect for all the other players

[full warren]

hacker pay like $100 a month for the suscription hack, I think even if the game is not free they can afford just to buy a new account

[full warren]

team slayer

[sharp summit]

damn i have a 10$ gift card from the rewards store and credits are 12$

[short flower]

Got the Life Story achievement!!!

[full warren]

32% win rate sbmm is violating me lol

[livid cosmos]

the 1.10 patch for halo pc works for me yippeeee

[full warren]

I just had the worst trio ever, 4000 games between the 3 of them and a average KDA of -1.0...... Literally me getting 33/9 did nothign to win this slayer when I was 1v4ing this is just sad

one guy was shooting a no shield person and had to reload and missed every single BR shot it was comical watching

[celest heron]

I'd just report them if you have any sus clips of him.

[brisk coral]

can we lower ping opacity in infinite

[short magnet]

no

why is it soooooo hard to aim with the s7?! every other gun I land my shots. I flick to the head. I can track. I can do great. But the moment I get my hands on the S7, everything falls apart

[sharp summit]

i find its like that using the bandit

it feels like garbage accuracy trying to hit the head

[short magnet]

bandit is fine to me

[night pilot]

the game is dead rip

[exotic sinew]

Hello guys! Do you know what the best way to give input on in-game stuff for Halo infinite is (to 343 of course)? I'm currently having a hard time trying to find a "give feedback" channel or something like that.

[glacial tartan]

Post in the threads in#1039633978841374720

[exotic sinew]

Alright, will do that. Much appreciated!

[analog salmon]

try to pause and wait for the reticle to line up

you wanna spam those body shots but the last shot you just wanna take a bit of extra time

its just helps you a lot less then the BR and sidekick pretty much

[sharp summit]

I figured out why my aim is garbage

I wasn't relaxed at all and I noticed I push my mouse into the mouse pad a lot so it's slower

Very heavy hands when I do that

[wraith marten]

Im doing my first play through of all the halo games, I’ve just completed halo 4 and I was going to checkout halo 5 but im way confused on what’s happening. Do I need to watch the spartan ops cutscenes to make sense of it?

[chrome dove]

Unfortunately from Halo 4 on you need to read the books/graphic novels to be really in the know for what goes on in the campaign.

[onyx latch]

Hmn.

More to actually appreciate them.

[onyx latch]

I can give a quick and dirty rundown if you need gaps filled, because Spartan Ops doesn't really help that much.

It mostly helps you understand Palmer and Halsey's motivations.

[wraith marten]

Main thing I don’t understand is why Halsey is wanted and what happened between halo 4 and 5, it doesn’t really fill you in the beginning of the game

[onyx latch]

Okay, want that rundown?

It'll take me a bit to set it up.

[wraith marten]

Yeah please

[onyx latch]

During the events of Halo 3, Halsey (The book Ghosts of Onyx) runs from the UNSC and manages to trick some of her IIs (Blue Team) into following her to the planet that makes Spartan IIIs, the planet of Onyx.

Halsey's actions break the law, and tilt the needle enough for ONI to take direct action and arrest her when she gets back into the fold. When she is brought back, she is too useful to kill or imprison in whatever Halo's version of prison is; Instead, she is held under tight and strict watch and used as a 'fixer' by ONI for things that ONI's scientists couldn't do themselves, as Halsey is one of the most intelligent people in the UNSC, if not the most.

In the events of Halo 4 during Spartan Ops, Halsey is brought to the Infinity to smooth over some of their scientific inquiries, and begins a dialogue with an unknown person to find secrets of Requiem. Over the course of Spartan Ops, she eventually starts to establish a means to escape, culminating in the boarding of the Infinity and the capturing of Halsey. She is then used as a key to get the Janus Key, an extremely useful piece of Forerunner equipment that shows the location of every significant piece of the Forerunner's technology that ever existed. Rings, composer-like devices, anything and everything.

At the end of Spartan Ops, she is shot in the arm by palmer, as this mysterious benefactor was Jul Mdama, the leader of the Covenant you fight in Halo 4's base game and in Spartan Ops, and Halsey has been declared a traitor and terrorist for her actions. She gave half the Janus Key to the crew of the Infinity before she knew she was in the line of fire. This causes her to lose her arm. She remains wanted by the UNSC and even almost gets captured several times, but circumstances ensured she was never captured. In the process she is humbled by an ancient Forerunner AI, which costs her the Janus Key, and this is why her attitude is far more placid and helpful in Halo 5 than her original haughty and better-than-thou attitude she had in, say, Halo Reach.

It is important to remember that in the ways that matter, Halsey is Cortana's mother, and this includes inheriting that holier-than-thou attitude and savior complex, which is why Cortana turns into a would-be 'altruistic dictator', if ever there was a thing, in 5.

[wraith marten]

That’s a lot to take in lmao, thanks for doing that thought it helps a lot

Halo lore is confusing but good asf

[low blaze]

I just started playing infinite again, when did they put a scope on the bandit?

[dusk thunder]

The Bandit Evo came out about a few months ago iirc

[ashen atlas]

It’s slightly better than the regular bandit

It’s actually a challenger to the br now. I still prefer br though

[sweet dawn]

Did the arbiter die?

Haven't played 3 in years almost a decade

[onyx latch]

No. You actually get to fight alongside him again as Spartan Locke in Halo 5.

[sweet dawn]

Never played 5

It's not on steam so can't really play it

Oh wait I did play it at a gaming event for 10 minutes family had to peel me away

[onyx latch]

Yeaaaah, I really hope it comes to PC someday. It's a pretty great game, but PC Halo has spoiled me.

[stiff nebula]

Pc players can't get the watchdog or watchdog Neo coating, can they?

[smoky stone]

Great weapon for esports

[sweet dawn]

?

[dusk thunder]

Not if they can’t play Halo 5, no.

[stiff nebula]

Thanks yeah that's what I figured. It's quite unfortunate but there is better looking coatings anyway imo.

[plucky jay]

Firefight has to be my favorite addition so far. It's great to be able to turn my brain off, play, and still make progress in the passes.

[molten radish]

Looking for duo partner in tournament

[knotty haven]

So my friend tried new model, 150ping in Asia
Bullets disappear, still jittering

It's even worse than current model

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[round forge]

I'm starting to get really sick of the fact I don't currently have internet access as I'm changing broadband providers. Problem is there is an update for MCC and it won't let me play at all until it updates, which it can't.

[glacial tartan]

Are you just wanting to play campaign?

[thick yoke]

I read what you said and looked up whether it was possible to boot up steam games offline if they already have an update queued and was surprised to find that you can't.

Except maybe if you boot up the game by its executable? I've never tried.

[glacial tartan]

There is a way to - copy/paste all of the files, manually add a steam_appid file to the main MCC folder and then go launch the MCC-Win64-Shipping.exe in the mcc/binaries/win64 folder.

Source: I have every PC version of MCC on a backup drive to recover old theater files (https://i.imgur.com/20PispV.png) you can definitely launch them offline (regardless of update) just make sure you copy them somewhere else first 🙂

[sharp summit]

Any reason Halo infinite would keep freezing for a second

Happens like once or twice a game

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[vagrant phoenix]

I saw regular momentary processing glitches for awhile, but it was related to an expansion card in my PC causing issues. I could hear it pulsing along with the visible graphical hitches.

You may be having software issues, but if you can't diagnose that, could be hardware.

[agile cobalt]

anyone feel like sbmm gives u bad teammates on purpose

cause i just had a match where 4 people were new to the game

(8v8), 2 others had actual game experience

and my wraith dies after 1 shot of skewer

AAA this game is so uneven

its like the devs never played there own game before

[sharp summit]

I haven't updated drivers in a while which was a cause of earlier issues

[left snow]

Technically it does.

But only to even out the two teams.

It's objective is only to create a 50:50 match. And it does what it can with who is available (with in 343's wait time parameters).

[agile cobalt]

but in practice it never does create 50 50 teams

because having 1 really good person and 2 ok ish people and then the others be new people isnt fair

i experience 50 50 games about every 20 matches

[ashen atlas]

Most of mine are 50 50. I usually carry my team

[left snow]

It does. On the basis of MMR.

But it can't predict how you are going to gel together as a team.

When you end up with gaps between your best and worst players then you increase your potential for one sided matches.

[agile cobalt]

nah you are insane for thinking that the sbmm is ok

[young glen]

If you look at the MMR grade for each team you'll be surprised by how close they are. Sometimes anomalies occur, and it is also playlist dependent. Squad Battle and BTB put less emphasis on skill matching from my own experience, but only that actual criterion weighting is visible to 343

[agile cobalt]

yea the mmr is close

but in reality the matches are bad

and not every match is gonna be a win

its so bad that sometimes i play ranked to get even teams

if 343 could take ranked sbmm, widen it so the teams are about 50/50 with one having a slight edge. and then make it so teams dont consist of 1 to 2 really good players and the rest just be thumbless

[ashen atlas]

I don’t believe the matches are. It seems about as even as can be

[agile cobalt]

💀

the better netcode makes up for it, but jesus christ i am so tired of paving a way for my team to go get the flag only for them to just like sit there

[ashen atlas]

A lot of the time both teams have mirroring stats. 1 person does really good, the 2nd place guy goes positive and does pretty good. And the other 2 are kind of a gamble whether they’ll go even

[left snow]

Never said that. Just that it it's objective is still based around creating 50:50 matches.

Team dynamics is always unpredictable.

And as the gap between your best and worst player increases - so does the gap between your best and worst team performance.

[agile cobalt]

well the object is to make 50 50 teams

it isnt making 50 50 teams

[left snow]

Objective games are always going to be the hardest to play if your team, for whatever reason, doesn't "gel".

[agile cobalt]

im tired of paving a way for my teammates, pinging the flag and saying get it and ill defend you only for them to sit there

[left snow]

It is.

[agile cobalt]

on paper yes

in slayer, i get bad teammates

[left snow]

On paper. And on the scoreboard. Or at least the W/L score.

[left snow]

The problem is that there isn't enough good players to go around. So it has to "handicap" them with bad players to produce a team that has a 50:50 chance of winning.

[ashen atlas]

Most of my slayer games end with the losing team having at least 40 kills. Kind of rare that they have less than that. And maybe 1 out of about 20 matches does a team get steaktacular

[agile cobalt]

and theres not enough good players because all the new players are getting put in these lobbies where they dont belong and cant get any experience playing the game

of course i cant send images here. but i got a game with 56 kills and the other highest person on the team had 5.

[sharp summit]

Is there any really large good quality maps, one that you could use a warthog really well

[left snow]

Sounds boring.

[agile cobalt]

yes

[sharp summit]

Cause I think it would be fun doing a full vehicle match

[agile cobalt]

i forgot the name of it but the 12v12 valhalla type map would be fun

[sharp summit]

I love driving warthog its really underrated

Which is good if I get a good gunner

[agile cobalt]

actually no i was wrong, i did get 56 kills, but my team mates got way more than 5., that was a different map.
https://spartanrecord.com/match/9379c8ad-a4e7-462c-8788-b01057cb7493/hank013378

i had the most deaths because i was pushing practically by my self

[left snow]

343 needs to;

1. Wait longer to find matches.

2. Use bots to fill out average to below average lobbies.

3. Let high level players and/or hard to match squads know that they are in for a long wait.

4. Have a plan B for those it can't match - an optional zero SBMM playlist that you can enter if you just want to play a game.

[agile cobalt]

facts

[sharp summit]

It's awful for new players because you often get teamed on especially in btb so there isn't any fair encounters

[left snow]

The upcoming Match Composer should help a lot. It will funnel the good players into the same playlists and increase their chances of playing each other.

[sharp summit]

I think the rank thing for just general playing should be used

[agile cobalt]

because i currently cant play 12v12 (cries in 4gb vram)

[sharp summit]

Bronze should never encounter onyx

[agile cobalt]

yes

honestly thats true, no matter what mmr you are. bronze should never go above plat lobbies

[sharp summit]

Also a thing that new player hate is the spawn points

[agile cobalt]

i do to, on vehicle based maps i spawn 30 feet away from an enemey

[sharp summit]

You have a chance of spawning in the middle of the other team

[agile cobalt]

lmao talking about that, i spawned like 30 feet away from an eneymey flag

[sharp summit]

Our team was getting wrecked because no one knew how to get in a tank so I just spawned in the middle of 3 wraiths ( all of the tanks on the map)

Unfortunate spawn point

[ionic robin]

It makes sense now - if you lose in the first 3 games of a new rank, you lose normal points until you're at the lowest point for the new rank. If you lose again (within the first 3 games) when already at the lowest point, you won't actually lose more points or rank.

[left snow]

I assume your MMR can keep dropping though - so if/when the rank protection is removed the next loss is going to go hard on your CSR. 😦

[full warren]

I met the definition of grind and get high rank haha saw some guy was 1720 season 2 and D4 this season but omg his so bad lol

but with 14k games played I guess he grind to onyx lol

[ionic robin]

So I bought a new monitor last week (and xbox series x a few weeks earlier) and went from 30FPS to 120FPS. Over the next week I went from silver 6 to platinum 1 with over an 80% W-L ratio and well over 2 KPM. To put it simply, I got significantly better literally overnight and started mowing through matches (my team won 15 ranked arena matches in a row my 2nd day with the new equipment).

Over this time, moving up 7 levels and the entire gold rank, I never once earned more than 10 points in any match. For the last 2 days (going from gold 5 to platinum 1) I would get 5 or 6 points per win, and rarely 7 points. Every loss would result in a minimum of 10 points lost.

So does Halo think my CSR is like, onyx? Because the higher I rank up the less and less points I get per win.

My Gamertag is "Assunto".

Please help me understand why, even after moving up an entire rank, I'm still always awarded the least points on my team for a win and losing the most points in a loss. I know (based on our earlier conversations) that the points I earn/lose don't correlate to my teammates, but this is far too much data and history to not notice the fact that it's happening.

One thing I noticed that might be a 343 error: While, according to Halotracker, I'm in the top 3% in kills (12,974), assists (6,481), and deaths (14,506), it says I have an avg KDA of .5 (in the bottom 4%). 6,481 ÷ 3 = 2,160 + 12,974 = 15,134 ÷ 14,506 = 1.04 KDA... not .5. Could this error be affecting my CSR/MMR? Or are my calculations wrong?

[full warren]

if you get less points per win means the game think you are lower

[celest heron]

probly cause you're playing people too below your skill level now so it won't give you a lot of points.

meanwhile, my last game had someone go 4-30 where the enemy team were probly silver level

[ionic robin]

Those two contradict each other

The game thinks I'm lower, but I'm facing lower skilled players?

[full warren]

actually you are also probably right, one of the win a say, he was on a team with 2 plat and 2 gold vs 3 gold and 1 silver lol

[full warren]

It takes into account your kills in the game and how well you did, so if you underperformed during the game then it will give you less points for a win. and if you underpoerform during a loss then that is where you get getting the -10 -11 from

[celest heron]

they can go on waypoint to see what they were supposed to get

[left snow]

Interesting about the monitor. A lot of people think that 30fps is a bit of a hill to overcome.

Your CSR is chasing your MMR. It moves faster towards it, and resists moving away.

If you win and it goes up a lot - your MMR is well above your CSR. If you win and it only goes up a bit then it's not that far above. If you win and barely get a point - your MMR is equal or below your CSR.

[full warren]

Baiscly you are not doing as well as a plat 1 player should be so its not giving you lots points for a win, and maybe it is giving you easy games (which could be true but if sbmm is working then both team should be equal mostly), However I did see one of your game not being that equal so I have no idea how sbmm works in gold/plat

[ionic robin]

If you guys are actually looking at my record (!!! I'm honored) Please disregard the last... 5 ranked games and look at the 50+ from silver 6 to gold 5. I solo queued all the matches previously, but played with friends last night

[celest heron]

you'll likely also get less if you're in a party playing against solos.

[ionic robin]

If you look at my last week's history, the kills are consistently above expected kills

[left snow]

The CSR change is pretty much based on the result (win or loss) and your pre-game MMR vs their pre-game MMR.

There doesn't seem to be much, if any, influence of performance in that game.

Metrics such as KPM will push your MMR up - which can then affect how much CSR you get in the NEXT game.

[left snow]

Which means your KPM is improving. It's only a weighting - but that will help to nudge your MMR up and then this can pull harder on your CSR in the next game.

[full warren]

doesn't the game give you more csr if say you supposed to be getting 10 kills 10 death this game but did 15 kills and 10 death so you overperformed so it should give you more csr? or that only affect your mmr and the next game you will get more csr?

I guess the simple answer here to hydroRay's question is your CSR is not wrong and there is no weird calculations, just keep grinding and your csr gain and loss will correct itself and become more normal

[ionic robin]

Please, explain it to me like a child for my specific situation.

It sounds like my Matchmaking Record, which is not publicly available, is less than my Career Service Rank. And even though my MMR has leapfrogged an entire rank, it's still less than my CSR?

[left snow]

Not in that game.

The expected kills is based on your average KPM in that game mode - so doing better will raise your KPM.

That pushes your MMR up - which will then affect your CSR in the next game.

It lags by a game.

343 did mention "in-game" performance in a blog. But I ran CSR change vs all the metrics I could think of in an excel spread sheet. Over 500 games. And there was no real correlation to K, K/D, etc.

[full warren]

Darwi will answer better than me but congrats on getting from silver to plat so quickly 😄

[ionic robin]

I just hit plat1 yesterday, I'm referring to the whole week of climbing up the ranks. Why wasn't I getting more points as a gold 2 or 3 if, based on the results, I was playing significantly higher than that?

[ionic robin]

I was getting less than 10 points before the hardware upgrade, and continue to get less than 10 points still. It's been probably 6 months of solid playtime with literally no change. I always get least points and lose most points.

I haven't seen +15 points since I dipped down to silver 4 once

[ionic robin]

Thank you! The hardware upgrade caused such a significant jump it's shocking.

But! Could the KDA of .5 via Halotracker just be a glitch that's messing everything up???

[full warren]

you can ignore halo tracker lol, they are not microsoft and is only a 3rd party site

[left snow]

HaloTracker etc are essentially "hacking" the data feeds. They will never be as accurate as an offical API (damn you 343).

And yes. I imagine your improvement has been dramatic - but gradual. Your MMR has gone up - but at a relatively linear rate - and your CSR has dutifully followed. You had to give your aim and movement skills a bit of time to adjust to the new hardward.

Well done. I'm slightly jealous. 🙂

[full warren]

also that K/D is like the average of your 1200+ ranked games, right now you are doing 1.4KD ish but you might be getting 0.1K/D when you started in your first 200-300 games lol so It probably averaged out to 0.5K/D but you can ignore that, 343 does its own calculations, these stats shown is only things halo tracker decided to show, they are not that important

[ionic robin]

I'm aware of that, but they're using the halo API, and you can't really mess with that.

Plus, halowaypoint.com doesn't share KDA history

[full warren]

see my above comment :D, its a average over so many games, you will need another 1000 games at 1.5 kd to make it 0.95 K/D lol

[ionic robin]

Then what do you mean by saying the calculations are always a game or 2 back? Surely in 50 games the system should of figured something out??

[ionic robin]

I'm relieved to hear that super weird number doesn't have anything to do with how my points are accessed

[ionic robin]

But the math I did with the career information provided says I'm just over 1 KDA now

[full warren]

KDA or K/D

[ionic robin]

KDA slightly above, K/D (career) .9ish. But over the last week in question, k/d is over 2

[full warren]

Oh I see, 14k kill and 15.580 death so it should be 0.9 ish, let me check what is my

[ionic robin]

Bingo. Plus assists

[ionic robin]

Which puts kda well over 2

[full warren]

hmm yeah dopesn't seem right

but don't worry about it probably some bug on halo tracker nothing to do with MMR calculations

[ionic robin]

And you don't think that could be messing with my MMR/CSR?

[full warren]

I think MMR is calculated after every games you play, it doesn't look at your average scores.

[ionic robin]

Honestly I'm thinking about creating another account just to reset the CSR, because something has to be off my with my current one.

[full warren]

also nothing we as players can do about how 343 calculate the mmr, you can report it nothing will be done lol, I am 90% sure its working correctly

maybe they have some weird weighting system where if you are winning a lot your csr rises way faster than your mmr so you have to play a ton of time to blance them out

[ionic robin]

I'm sorry, but how is it working correctly when I was getting 5-7 points as a silver 6, and a week later I'm still getting 5-7 points as a gold 6?

[full warren]

so its giving you small increments on csr so your mmr can catch up in the background

[full warren]

when you silver 6 you are playing vs silver 6 players so a win you get +5-7, gold 6 you are playing vs gold 6 players so you win you get +5-7, that seems ok?

like If I am diamond 6 and I win I also only expect to get +5-8 points

I thought you were complain about a win is only +5 and a loss is -10?

[ionic robin]

I feel like I'm getting closer to my true skill level, but my biggest issue is the scoring over the past week when I was winning 80%+ of the games as the #1 player, and still getting 5-7 points

[ionic robin]

Yes, that's true. Maximum win points is 7, minimum loss points is 10 for me

I understand getting less points now because my skill to rank is more closely aligned, but why wasn't I getting +15 when I was mowing down enemies as a gold 2 with 40 kills in a game?

[full warren]

probably because 343 has something in palce to dampen your csr game lol, they might not like people csr to fluctratue that much

generalyl you only get +15 is when you are like silver but your hidden MMR is like Diamond lol

[ionic robin]

Are you basing that on information you have, or is it more of a general comment?

I was stuck between silver 6 and gold 1 for months and months, then skyrocketed to platinum 1 in 1 week... that's not gradual

[ionic robin]

People in the matches I play in get +15 all the time... it's not rare

[full warren]

at the end of the day even if we think something is wrong nothing we can do about it lol

[ionic robin]

I disagree kind sir (or madam)!

I believe that's exactly what this forum is for. It's an opportunity for the public to connect directly to the company and actually be heard. Voicing (what I believe are) unique situations like mine directly to the company helps inform and educate, which become the first building blocks for understanding and possibly (if worthy) change in a positive direction.

[ionic robin]

But if there were no outlet like this one, it would be much harder for 343 to improve the user experience

I hate to say it @full warren and @left snow , but I still don't have a better understanding of why or how my points are awarded/deducted, and no explication towards why I am always the lowest point awarded and highest point deducted player, regardless of performance or rank or time.

What was the same in silver 6 is the same in plat 1, when every single player I match with is getting more favorable results

[full warren]

but what are you going to do tho, you can complain all you want and they won't say anything lol, I been complaing about sbmm for about 2 years here and nothng changed haha

[grave ether]

If you win, you get points. If you lose, you lose points.

• If you win and the game sees you won against a team that it expected you to win against, you won't get as many points.
• If you win against a team that the game thought would be a harder fight for you, you will gain more points.
• If you lose against a team the game thought you'd lose against, you lose less points.
• If you lose against a team that the game thought you'd win against you'll lose more points.
  Your kills and deaths are also factored into that.

[ionic robin]

I appreciate you joining this conversation, thank you 😊.

In my case the points appear to the capped at the worst possible outcome compared to my teammates, and I'm trying to figure out why that is

[grave ether]

If you win and you were carried to a win by better teammates then I can see the system awarding you less points depending on your performance

Iirc your Kills Per Minute have a bit of weight to it still for performance. As well as how much you die

[ionic robin]

My Gamertag is "Assunto" and over the last week (excluding yesterday) I had an over 80% W-L record, scoring #1 in the match a similar amount

I was not carried, I dragged my teams from silver 5 to platinum 1 solo queuing over more than 50 matches

Gosh... probably closer to 100 matches 🤦🏼‍♂️

I'll be the only one on my team with any extractions, as well as the only one with a positive kda, and still receive only 5 or 6 points where the rest of the team get 10+

[grave ether]

Seems like you are playing with pretty equally matched teams so I wouldn't expect you to really gain much. There's times I see where you are the higher rank on the team so you beating someone lower than you wouldn't give you as many points as a teammate who is a lower rank than you that was able to hold their own against the enemy teammate at a higher rank.
There's a bit of nuance to it, but overall it does seem to be pretty balanced and accurate.

If you really think there is an issue you can always file a support ticket

[left snow]

It's calculated over a number of games.

[left snow]

Generally MMR's don't like change. That's how they work. At there extreme are Chess ELO's - which after 100's of games take a lot of effort to move.

Give it time to settle.

It can take up to 50 games to settle into your true MMR on a new account. You should give it the same, if not more, with a dramatic improvement in skill output.

[mortal dagger]

You guys think it’s possible to get a odst 2

[left snow]

Your skill output is not gradual. But it's not like you jumped instantly from one to another. I'm just postulating the improvement was linear. Albeit reasonably steep.

[left snow]

Generally those types of games are post placement. Where your CSR can by hundreds of points below your MMR.

In your case it probably wasn't that high above. Not at any one time at least. You kept pushing it up though, as you came to grips with your new hardware.

[ionic robin]

I understand how the teams could be balanced and don't dispute that, but I don't understand how regardless of the balance the point distribution is always unfavorable. And I must apologize... it's only been 5 days (not 7) and around 150 games played (not 50)

[left snow]

And keep in mind your MMR has a pre-conceived set of data of you vs those higher ranks.

Your KPM at 30fps was probably quite low vs Platinum etc.

It will take a few games to reset the "averages" and convince the system to change.

Which is what kind of what you want from a ranking system. You want it to be a bit "suspicous".

[left snow]

Once again. Your MMR doesn't care about extractions. Or KDA.

[ionic robin]

Agreed 100%. But how long is a few games? I don't get the impression you believe it is over 100, but that's my situation.

It's almost as if the system has me pegged as a silver 4 or 5, because that's where my very first placement was, and will never believe or award me for improving, even after months and hundreds of games.

[left snow]

Without knowing exactly what your MMR is doing - you can't predict it.

Look up moserware.com and take a peak at the maths involved. It's fascinating - but complicated.

I think it's best if you just let it work itself out. Stop looking at other people's CSR changes - you don't know the position or width of your MMR curve, let alone all of theirs.

[ionic robin]

I was only providing that example to illustrate how I was not being carried up the levels, but in fact I was the one lifting my team to victories

[ionic robin]

I'm really trying not to look at others because you've explained in the past how it's irrelevant, but I can't stop finding myself down that path when the other variables we've discussed (W-L record, Rank, and KPM specifically) have changed dramatically with no real adjustment by the system... the only constant is that regardless of literally anything my points awarded and deducted are always the least favorable

[left snow]

It should settle down after 50 or so consistent games.

The fact that your aren't losing or gaining much means that you are probably being very consistent with your performance. You have settled into your new rank.

But the system doesn't "peg" you.

It's true that your MMR curve narrows and starts to resist movement. But in Halo 5 and Infinite 343 have left the MMR more free to move than you would expect. They then use the CSR to "smooth" the ranking journey. It sounds weird - but it work well because; people fluctuate in form more than you expect, it helps to deal with Smurfs, and it prevents rank locking (like in H3).

If you genuinely improve again - your MMR will go up and eventually drag your CSR with it.

[ionic robin]

@left snow "The fact that your aren't losing or gaining much means that you are probably being very consistent with your performance. You have settled into your new rank."

This is exactly what I'm questioning... I may very well have settled into a new rank, but why, during the entire rank jump over nearly 150 games, was I only gaining a max of 7 points? I don't really think my performance has changed through the last 5 days, but I'm certain of a dramatic change from day 6 to day 5.

Skill Plateau -> huge spike -> skill Plateau overnight. Points awarded stay the same even when the rank is catching up to the new skill plateau

[ionic robin]

I'm sorry for taking up so much of the discord space today, but would you mind sharing how I can go about filing a support ticket? I'm thinking this thread might be better continued from there

[grave ether]

It won't "continue" it will be completely new since it's official support.
https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[left snow]

The simplest explanation is that your MMR didn't instantly jump from A to B.

It progressed at roughly the same pace as your rank was improving.

It was never high enough to get +15 MMR. And maybe your old KPM vs those higher levels did act as a bit of weighting against you. There is the possibility too that your MMR was well below your CSR when you started - so it took a lot of convincing - but it got dragged along by the sheer will of your performances.

But overall I wouldn't stress it. It's a quite atypical example of skill improvement. Very interesting to chat about - but I doubt we are going to come up with an exact answer.

It is a pity we can't see plots of games vs MMR. It would be fascinating to see exactly what your account was doing.

[ionic robin]

Yup, that makes sense. Thanks for the link 😁

[ionic robin]

I would also love to see the graph showing MMR, CSR, and how the matches affect everything. I have to imagine 343 has the ability to do that internally

[left snow]

They do.

This is an example of what Josh used to post (on request) in the H5 ranking forums...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-lVUagJzS-8duR6FTeo14L0c2FIvvt07/view?usp=drive_link

In this case you can see how much the MMR (red) jumps around.

The blue is the CSR. You can see how it follows along.

I'm not sure what the green is. I think it was "average" MMR.

And keep in mind - don't fall into the trap of treating the red dots as an absolute value for your MMR. It's not. They are still probability curves - with a range of possible ranks.

How much each MMR moves depends on both their means and their relative widths (reflecting "confidence" in your rank). A wide MMR is more likely to move than a narrow one. And an MMR is more likely to move towards a narrow one than a wider one.

[ivory glacier]

Where’s my Santa hat

[frosty condor]

Right here

[sharp summit]

Why isn't Microsoft sending me my 25 digit code for my gift card

Bruh I just want the credits

The plan is to spend the card once and then get all the premium seasons from completing the previous season

[ashen atlas]

You’ll have to twice if you want the first season

First season doesn’t give credits like the others

Unfortunately

[sharp summit]

Yeah I'll just skip it

You get enough stuff from the newer ones anyway

Also how good is the campaign for infinite? It's on a good sale so I may get it

[ashen atlas]

I think it is good. Gameplay is fun and the story is nice

It really depends how into the lore you are. I really liked the campaign, but I’ve been playing halo for years

[torpid nacelle]

Halo 5 to MCC soon please.

[sharp summit]

I only play halo because I played CE

And I would 1v1 people on split screen

[ashen atlas]

Did you like the story/lore?

[ashen atlas]

Infinite does pay homage to CE. I won’t spoil it anymore than that

[round forge]

Yeah but I'm getting a bit fed up with and would really like to have my playthroughs actually count towards something.

[sharp summit]

halo keeps crashing and i want to give it more ram but it wont let me

nothing but problems today\

task manager wont let me for some reason]

[round forge]

I don't think it will ever get added to MCC, it's more likely to be added as a standalone thing for a variety of reasons. The biggest of all being the existence of H5 Forge as in my personal opinion they should just expand H5 Forge into a full PC port with forge included. In all likelihood they are going to probably wait until the game is reaching it's end of life so that they can release a new updated version of the game and release a PC port of that version. Similar to what they did with MCC. But I don't think it will be added to the collection.

There is a thread for this already though https://discord.com/channels/471722331820130324/1177464532042522694

I've been discussing a H5 port for a while on there.

[torpid nacelle]

Oh thanks I couldn’t find it. I don’t know for some reason it was hidden from me. 😂😂😂

[round forge]

Be warned it has gotten a bit salty and there are a lot of heated debates.

[regal meadow]

Alr alr hear me out brute 3 burst plasma pistol

[torpid nacelle]

oh im not surprised lol

[marble halo]

Ranked population must be pretty horrendous if we get matched with the same 4 stack 3 games in a row. 4 stack and a higher mmr average than us woof

[crystal iron]

That's just the nature of pvp arena games when it comes to ranked. Halo Infinite is only really just now recovering with the injection of the PvE community.

Given some more time and updates it'll probably get a bit more diverse but I'd just accept it as part of the game right now. Ultra sweaty ranked matches in Halo only really attract a niche audience so you've just gotta vibe with that. Most of the playerbase is casual and PvE.

[short flower]

Do we think we’ll get the day when ALL armor coatings are cross armor, cross vehicle, cross weapon, for whichever is available for each? I want PA cross core… (Platinum Anniversary)

[analog salmon]

they sold coatings from bundles at discount for 1 core/weapon/vehicle

i could maybe see them letting you buy the same coating multi-core with a discount

just depends how dedicated 343 are to retrospectively fixing the core locked model the game started with

i dont see them suddenly letting you use a coating you bought for 1 core for like 300 credits on every core though

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I'm honestly incredibly annoyed with the excuse used to justify the cost increases.