halo-discussion

[hollow bobcat]

Just another case of misinformation.

[livid fable]

misinformation?

These are the patch notes regarding the unranked game mode as per the CS:GO developers,

Introducing Unranked matches for Competitive, Wingman, and Danger Zone game modes.
While still using skill-based matchmaking, Unranked matches do not affect Skill Group and have no Skill Group party restrictions.
Non-Prime accounts are restricted to Unranked, whereas Prime accounts may choose between Ranked and Unranked.
Ranked matches will always be with other Prime players, exclusively, whereas Unranked matches will be created from the mixed pool of Non-Prime and Prime players that have chosen to play the game mode.

this seems to confirm from a source that has credit that there are modes that do use sbmm and there are modes that do not use sbmm.

unless patch notes are lies

welp, two games in a row where we start with a teammate afk who then quits

[latent pawn]

what you just posted above this says theres sbmm tho

games use and need it they just dont tell or show you its there because its meant to be unranked and who cares

where's ryans gigathread

[livid fable]

that's what i said.

no, i see what you're saying. you're saying that it is saying it still uses sbmm, but doesn't restrict players from different skill groups from teaming up, and it doesn't affect your skill rate. But it's still basing the matches it makes on the skills of the contenders.

[latent pawn]

yes

because thats what sbmm is at the end of the day

[livid fable]

well

I certainly don't disagree but i've gotten at least three different things sbmm boils down to

but i'll take your word on that one.

[latent pawn]

sbmm by all accounts should be defined as the actual matchmaking systems

not the ranking system thats its own thing

its in the name

[livid fable]

literally

[latent pawn]

to define it as anything else only will confuse others

[livid fable]

so that does raise a question i have. Is CSR used in matchmaking?

[latent pawn]

CSR is the overall visible rank, MMR is the invisible one

assuming infinite ofc cause CSR is technically the og

either way infinite has mmr which is even then split into ranked and unranked but will probably be relatively close. this kind of practice isnt unheard of

from there its a matter of just... not showing you the rank/mmr

[hollow bobcat]

I think the whole point of this is to only listen to developer confirmation on the matchmaking process. Anybody else making the claims should just be ignored.

[livid fable]

so, had another match where someone was afking, dropped form match.

then the other two dropped.

in these matches, why is rank still affected?

[karmic oriole]

Can some of yall hope in the halowc ffa Playlist, need to play 5 more games for my entry

And wait time says 3 minutes

[latent pawn]

because it has to

the game cannot give benefit of the doubt and just go "oopsies heres a refund"

if someone "quits" by "crashing" then thats too easily abusable

[glacial tartan]

Does Infinite still not have rejoin?

[lime root]

Honestly don’t think I’ll ever reach max rank in Halo Infinite, I’ve played 3 games in 4 hours.. why can’t I find a game for its absolutely ridiculous.

[celest heron]

your location and how searching is setup.

[lime root]

So I’m the only person searching on an expanded search setup in all of Oceana?

[slim flint]

wouldn’t it be better to avoid punishing people for having bad internet?

[latent pawn]

cant give benefit of the doubt

you have to assume intentionality

[livid fable]

apologies, miscommunication

I mean why is my rank affected when my teammates quit

starting with the guy who was apparently AFK because he didn't do a damn thing for 3 minutes straight

followed by the other two who quit when they realized the other guy got booted

[latent pawn]

whos to say you didnt convince the guy to quit

again it cannot assume anything beyond deliberate quitting and a full team loss

someone has to lose

[onyx latch]

Hey Hawkner, when are we gonna have a game night again

[celest heron]

maybe. mint blitz had to use a vpn to find games.

[hollow bobcat]

Is it just me or when you play MCC for multiplayer, when every game is enabled, why is it that 99% of the matches are always Halo Reach?

[low musk]

Hard to believe we only have 3 more weeks till season 5

[left snow]

And it's been a while since I've been excited by a new Season. Or at least the potential of what may be coming.

[low musk]

I hear some rumors, but I still keep my expectations tempered since there isn’t any confirmation yet

[tepid latch]

HCS will hopefully be a fun time of showcasing what's to come

[zealous panther]

Maaaan, squad battle are insanely fun.

I wish they make the wheel move tho

[low musk]

I still hope the crosscore is still more refined than before. With any luck, we might get some news on that soon

[tepid latch]

With what they talked abt in the S4 preview stream coatings are likely to be coming for S5 which seems like it would have been the biggest hurdle (if the coating doesn't exist for an armour piece it wouldnt work cross cores)

But ye!, hopefully we'll get news on other parts coming!!

[hushed nest]

i finally finish the infection season! time to start with the lone wolf season

[tepid latch]

Hell yeah!! I just finished last night!! gonna have a break til S5 comes out maybe tho. Enjoy the Lone Wolf pass 😁

[hushed nest]

thanks man!
ngl it was fun

[tepid latch]

infection pass has some pretty cool armour and this season has been great with events and modes! Defs been having a good time

[low musk]

I still need to finish season 3. Thankfully I have only about 20 levels left of that BP. That shouldn’t be too lengthy a task

[low musk]

The Tenrai and Containment were both a lot of fun. Sword related challenges were interesting.

[crystal iron]

looking for people who can help me get better at Halo infinite whether its a clan etc..i use to be ok at the game but have not played in sometime and need to regain the skill and knowledge i once had

[languid prism]

They fix infinites dog water mm if your slightly above average? swear this is the only game where i have to carry 2-14 trash cans with no thumbs. Haven't touched it in like 3 weeks because of this

[tepid latch]

See above like 12 hours ago for the lengthy conversation on MM and SBMM if you're interested

[languid prism]

i'll give it a look, thank ya

ah so no, mmr still dictates how much fun i'm going to have regardless of how heavy i carry unless i use a brand new account to smurf. Fun.

I imagine even bad players who get into my lobbies aren't having fun but are forced to play them out, just a crappy situation all around.

[tepid latch]

are you talking about the team balancing for social modes?

[languid prism]

Yes, idk about ranked as i don't touch it.

Too much pressure

[tepid latch]

Team Balancing is essential so that both teams can have a fun time and a chance at winning though. If there was none then you could have a team with a miniscule % to win and get stomped and I cant imagine that would be fun for anyone

[languid prism]

That's how my matches literally are, even with this dog water system in place

[tepid latch]

@left snow said it best "And for your own sanity - let go of this concept of "carrying". Everyone in the team has a role to play - and you are only expected to match your "par""

[languid prism]

Ah yea the guy carrying rockets played a huge part in losing them .2 seconds later for me to get spawn trapped more. Ugh, i think i'm just done with halo until pve comes out then i'll just stay there.

Thanks though for the insight

[crystal iron]

What do you think of halo wars?

[smoky wave]

Alright games

[civic sundial]

I wish they were able to give HW2 more post launch support as it seemed like there was some stuff they wanted to do that they just never got the chance to

[onyx latch]

Where Created faction

[civic sundial]

Honestly, it would've been so cool

Even if they only had one leader for them, I'd have been fine with it since having a faction that uses Forerunner Armiegers and other constructs almost exclusively would stand out

[onyx latch]

Now I'm trying to think of ways you could work different leaders in.

Like, you'd obvs have Warden Eternal and Cortana.

I'd figure Warden would work like a hero unit, a'la the Covenant/Banished leaders.

[civic sundial]

Aye

[onyx latch]

... Hmn. Idea. Warden Eternal having the ability to have multiple Wardens on the field (The first being free), and Cortana having cheaper Wardens but only able to spawn them one at a time.

[civic sundial]

I could see that

[onyx latch]

Maybe have Sloan as a more gimmicky third with no Warden access but different units.

Promie Soldiers could operate as a middle ground between ODST and Spartan units.

Hmmmmn

[civic sundial]

Maybe pull from the list of known Knights for a leader instead?

[onyx latch]

Crawlers would likely be the basic unit, with Crawler Primes acting as upgrade units.

Soldiers would be the 'heavy' utility unit, with more variable weapons and teleport abilities.

Knights would be the Hunter equivalent, but likely with more staying power. Maybe get access to Watchers to expand reach, defense, and anti-infantry?

Warden would be a hero unit equivalent.

[onyx latch]

Hmmmn. Problem is that Knights aren't the most communicative.

The vehicle roster for Prometheans is also lacking a bit, but there's room for options.

Like, you obviously have the Phaeton, and maybe even the variant Phaeton as an upgrade, but you're missing out on

• MBT
• Scout vehicle/Light vehicle
• Heavy flyer
• "Artillery" or other special vehicle

I miss the mean gremlin energy of Promethean Soldiers.

[signal ivy]

composer as the ultimate thingie

one of the powers or whatever they're called

[onyx latch]

Huh. Leader Power that basically deletes enemies and gives you resources maybe?

I mean, because that's kinda what a Composer does. Gives you essences to make Knights.

[signal ivy]

converts enemies to knights for your team

[onyx latch]

But, then again, IIRC, Cortana doesn't like Knights very much.

So maybe that'd be more of a Warden thing.

Cortana could have more of a killsat out of the Guardians, maybe.

[civic sundial]

Cortana why... The Knights are cool

[uneven bison]

The halo 5 knights are, 4’s not so much

Cool design for both, but it’s more fun to play against 5’s

[delicate remnant]

Yo is anyone else out there against this new arena update breaking four stacks?

[onyx latch]

I'm supposed to care what four stacks think?

(Rhetorical, I don't)

[delicate remnant]

@onyx latch well what happens when all the four stacks leave and the player base crashes even more?

[onyx latch]

I'll be rid of degens who think 4 stacks are literally all the people who play Halo, I assume.

I played MWO, lmao, I've dealt with this in smaller playerbases. Groups getting nerfed is hardly a death knell to a population.

[grim citrus]

It’s ridiculous.

Imagine having 3 other guys that you play ranked with just to now pick who you should play with once you reach onyx where teamwork is essential

[misty vale]

what update are you guys even talking about

[onyx latch]

The one that came to them in a dream.

[misty vale]

:points at halo 2: And YOU were there :points at Halo 3: and YOU

[onyx latch]

It's funny to watch this from the perspective of someone who's seen an excerbated version of the same complaints in a smaller game.

"Won't anyone think of the 12 man premades!?" energy, tbh

[white birch]

Play solo, like a boss.

[white birch]

Im sure it'll be a problem for the people who, you know, actually reach Onyx.
As opposed to 80% of the player base, who dont touch comp.

[grim citrus]

👍🏿

[wise lichen]

possbily dumb question, and sorry for the ping but, would it be possible to do something about having constant games where my team constantly has people ignoring weapon spawns, not getting even a single kill, and going afk meanwhile the enemy team plays like their lives depend on it? been having alot of games lately that are straight up not fun to play in because of this. i don't mind losing, but when those losses are the result of a system trying to control how much fun you can have with the game based on "this is the likelyhood of you winning" im not exactly a fan of that. mainly asking because i don't really know a whole lot about game development, and am just curious is all. thank you.

[latent pawn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i am not a dev

[wise lichen]

i apologize for the paragraph there

its a genuine issue i've been having with the game lately that has been actively effecting the enjoyment of the game for me

if its possible i really hope one of the devs see this

[serene badger]

I understand your frustration.
Out of every 10 Infinite multiplayer games i play:
2 are close calls
8 are horribly offsided and one team is completely demolished.

[wise lichen]

for me its more like 1 close call, 9-10 horribly offsided

[wraith willow]

is there any way for me to reduce my ping in infinite?

i always get 50-60ms minimum

which is fine 99% of the time, but the game never registers my pistol headshots

which either ends up in having to deal multiple bodyshots, an assist, or a death

[lusty wraith]

The charm of The Weapon in R6 Siege is named “Cortana” 💀💀

[neon vapor]

That’s creamy

CRAZY

I MEANT CRAZY

[ruby lake]

huh?

[neon vapor]

AUTOCORRECT

[ruby lake]

sure

[neon vapor]

😔

[tulip tusk]

nice

[livid fable]

god i hate how 'random' this game can be

think i died to rocket launchers more times than anyone on my team spawned with them

past 80 lives, 0 rocket launchers

[frosty condor]

Skill issue

[livid fable]

28 more deaths, 0 rocket launchers

i'm at 108 spawns, no rocket launchers

enemy team spawning literal waves

last match an ally brought the flag to the wrong place

GOT ONE. Took 114 spawns.

[ivory glacier]

Husky raid is back!! So happy. It needs to stay

[misty vale]

Super Husky Raid OWNS

Backdraft cinder goated

[open umbra]

Would we get the regular weapons in super version? Or just the variants?

[misty vale]

I don't think I saw any regular weapons

Actual, don't think i got flex snipe

Might be power + variant

[open umbra]

Maybe the raverger rebound can be useful in this mode (Just speculation). The projectile will be somewhat predictable in these maps, and the three bounces means it can reach further than other weapons in v-shaped maps.

[tulip tusk]

if it exploded in proximity to enemy would be super good from what ive seen it just bounces everywhere but ive rarely used it

[livid fable]

super husky raid is with modded weapons, regular husky raid is without. both are in playlist.

[onyx latch]

It still goo's enemies on a direct hit like a normal Ravager so it's not that bad IMO

[tepid latch]

i miss the sticky det 😭

[livid fable]

only if you don't charge it. which hey, just don't charge it.

it might ACTUALLY be useful in super husky raid if you can figure out how to aim it into the enemy spawn point, because it does excessive aoe

[open umbra]

Noted, thanks.

[livid fable]

starting counter over. 10 so far.

[ivory glacier]

Why they do super HR? It was fine just regular. Chaotic enough. And just my opinion but I think super absolutely sucks anyway

Some of the weapons are ridiculous. Sniper makes no sense

[livid fable]

sniper is shorter range faster fire. there is no super bandit. super ravager is hit or miss. mostly miss, but not always.

i do understand that HR is a fun mode, and SHR is an even more chaotic mode. but i do wish they would do something with the super ravager.

also, the guided rocket launcher. please, for all that's holy, let us just dumb fire it

[tulip tusk]

i was always awful with that couldnt get a hang of it

[ivory glacier]

But a sniper rifle isn’t supposed to be short range fast fire. A sniper rifle has one job so I don’t see how you can mess with it and it still be a sniper rifle. It isn’t

Seems like more of a longer range bulldog

I think the whole mode is just inconsistent but just personal preference

[livid fable]

oh my god

And a rocket launcher is supposed to be anti-materiel, what's your point?

[ivory glacier]

Think I said it, no?

[ruby lake]

bruh

[open umbra]

Guess you'll say the Gnasher variant in Gears 5 is weird (the reticle is one dot and its precision based), while the original one being a shotgun.

[onyx latch]

(It fires slug rounds)

:3

[ivory glacier]

I don’t know gears 5

[onyx latch]

Also, replacing a sniper rifle's damage and fire rates for alternative amounts is actually a pretty common way of making sniper variants in games

[ivory glacier]

I just don’t like it. To each their own

[left snow]

Went online with a couple of mates last night. We got belted in a couple of games. Hammered while taking on a few opponents who where way out of our pay grade.

The last few months had been fairly consistent. So maybe something has changed in the matching algorithm?

[left snow]

I love the super fiesta sniper. So much easier to use. I can't aim the regular one for nuts... but often get sprees with the double tap one.

[tepid latch]

I wasnt the greatest, but I just liked how the little screen that popped up after you shot it could show you when enemies were nearby. same sorta thing with the reach grenade launcher. would love more of those sorts of touches on weapons

[open umbra]

If it's being introduced in infinite, the lack of friendly fire in social modes will make it the perfect weapon to play kamikaze.(just stick to a teammate and let them engage the enemy in close quarters)

[tepid latch]

Ah thats what i loved so much about playing BF3 and 4 with remote dets, i dont remember if there was friendly fire in those games, but a goose and sticky would be fun as hell in BTB

[wraith willow]

i meant ping, not input lag 🤦‍♂️

[hollow bobcat]

I had about four challenges that involve melee kills, but the sword doesn't count.

I think the sword should count for those specific challenges.

[tepid latch]

I feel like both the sword and hammer should count since melee attacks from either act the same as pulling the trigger

[onyx latch]

I was going to post a stock photo of a passport, but the most realistic thing you can do if you aren't already is use an ethernet cable.

[hollow bobcat]

That sword playlist is probably one of the worst things ever added. The maps look cool, but swords versus swords is absolutely atrocious.

It's a bit more fun if it's a free-for-all mode and definitely more so if it's grifball.

[fallow crow]

Infinite has become so unenjoyable lately, modes are boring, spawns are trash, and I know it'll never be fixed.

[hollow bobcat]

In my opinion, the ravanger either needs to get buffed or completely removed from the multiplayer. It is the most atrocious weapon you can ever have in your hands.

It's truly a new form of pure incompetence

[tepid latch]

Man, the amount of playlists is really going to stack up i reckon in the next season or so and im kinda worried if we dont have a match composer to really handle that.

like we just got husky raid added assumedly as a permanent playlist, but if they keep making modes that the community begs to be permanent without a way to pick more than one there's just gonna be too many options and the playerbase will be spread too thin

i didn't think it was such a bad idea to have modes like Husky and Fiesta, as rotational playlists alongside Rumble and whatever else there is

[open umbra]

Mode based match composer

[tepid latch]

yeah thats all im really saying lol

[hollow bobcat]

They won't add it.

Anything you request, they won't do.

Don't even try.

[tepid latch]

dude what lol?

[hollow bobcat]

Am I wrong?

How long have we been begging for crosscore?

[tepid latch]

they've literally been telling us they're working on it tho

Season 4 Preview stream they've talked about it coming season 5 for coatings. its likely a lengthy process

[crystal iron]

It doesn’t mean that they aren’t doing it. Changing this core system just isn’t that easy

[tepid latch]

nah nah nah, we've got it all wrong, someone just forgot to press the "cross core" button

[crystal iron]

Oh yeah, right

[hollow bobcat]

Nearly 3 years and still working on it. Hmm.

[crystal iron]

From what I heard they need to modify every piece of armor separately so it might take some time
also nearly 2 years, not 3🙂

[fallen flame]

You got it wrong infinite is nearly 2 years lmao

[left snow]

They've been working on it seriously for a year or so. Probably less. And have been quite upfront about how slow and difficult the task would be.

I guess they could pool more resources. But that would mean no new content. And that wouldn't make sense unless the entire revenue stream revolved around those who want cross core stuff (unlikely).

[fallen flame]

Every coating needs to be cross-core first anyway

Before they they can do the rest

[hollow bobcat]

It had the targeted release of 2020. From that moment of the expected release to today was when things should have been done.

[fallen flame]

Cross-core was not a thing then

Only after the game released

Like cross-core wasn't even thought off lmao

[smoky wave]

Yeah lol

[hollow bobcat]

Yeah because somebody thought that it was a good idea to just keep everything isolated so that it would make the purchases more frequent.

Hell, you can't even have normal white armor without paying for it.

Let's charge people $10 for a simple color that you could have customized yourself in older games.

[crystal iron]

In 2020 no one even thought about cross core💀
Community didn’t really even know how system works and that’s who wanted cross core, playerbase

[hollow bobcat]

The fact that we were used to it in the previous games should have been carried over to the release day. Maybe people should actually have the option of mixing and matching anything.

[fallen flame]

Used to what ?

[hollow bobcat]

Being able to fully customize our Spartans with different types of gear without restriction.

In Halo Infinite, you can unlock a helmet, but you can't apply it to the core that you're using. You have to swap over to another one, but then it's missing the shoulder pads that you really like. It should have never been like that on release.

If I had been there to oversee the development process of that specific section, I would have told people to scrap that idea and make it fully customizable. If items are clipping through the armor, make adjustments.

This is just a theory, but part of me thinks that the reason for that decision making was deliberate because of the free to play nature of the game. I'm not saying Halo Infinite should be a fully paid experience with multiplayer, but don't make decisions that make people buy individual armor pieces for a price just because it's not available for certain cores.

That includes armor colors, which was again a deliberate move. Removing the color customization to ensure profits from battle pass unlocks and direct purchases was not a good call. I understand they need to make money, but don't do it so egregiously in that fashion.

[civic sundial]

Tell me, what experience do you have leading teams in the games industry? Because you seem to be acting like 343i knew exactly how the community would react to the lack of cross core and chose to do it anyway

[hollow bobcat]

Part of me believes that some of them knew the reaction would be bad, but they were told to do so anyway because you can't question the people in charge.

Or that undoing the bad mistake would cost them many more months of development time and they wouldn't reach the deadline.

Well, it wasn't just a bad reaction from the lack of crosscore customization. There's also the fact of what I mentioned long ago which was the huge dip in the population.

Yeah, things are getting a little better, but two years is still two years.

[fallen flame]

the core system is actually great like there's no problem there it only came a problem when people wanted to mix and match the cores

[hollow bobcat]

It's not great. You can't expect people who have been used to customizing their own armor by mixing and matching since 2007 to just not do that anymore.

That's like telling people who play Elden Ring that only the knights can wear knight armor or the specific leather armor you want for your thief can only be equipped by a mage. Not being able to have that level of customization is terrible.

[left snow]

Have we had cores before? Genuinely asking - I don't remember. I thought it was pretty much colours and helmets. And everyone wore the same half a dozen helmets and dressed in black/red, black/yellow, black/green, or white.

Infinite is pretty much the first gear I've taken notice of. I really like the Rakshasa.

[civic sundial]

Infinite is the first to have armour cores

The closest we had to that previously was having Spartans and Elites

Since they had different armour pieces to each other

[crystal iron]

anyone's wanna jump on now? me n another block doing it on mcc COOP, lookn for 1 0r 2 other people to join

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
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#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
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Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[hollow jackal]

i got question bout ce

deres part in assault in control room music in sertaing part tied to difficulty

some times its perchance to dream but somtimes walk in woods

weird it not hear it opon crossing the brige

[full warren]

1/15 and 1/16 seriously this match making, like atleast make the game enjoyable

I didn't enjoy it nor the those 2 players

[burnt mountain]

Had there been any news on when grifball is coming back for infinite?

[sullen anvil]

It can be remade but the grav hammer is pretty bad in this game

[burnt mountain]

Yeah I was kind of hoping they'd create a more adjusted version for the mode

Like have it rebalanced specifically for grifball

[onyx latch]

Skill issue moment

[sullen anvil]

pro tip: don’t use the grav hammer

[sullen anvil]

I don’t know how much can be done with node scripting but the gravity altering abilities the hammer had is just straight up gone, so you can’t do hammer jumps or fling people around with it

[open umbra]

Hot take: They can bring repulse soccer into matchmaking as a temporary replacement if grifball doesn't work.

[sullen anvil]

and just stupidly inconsistent in general

[onyx latch]

Nah.

[civic sundial]

If the hammer gets rebalanced, I doubt it'll just be for the one mode

[hollow bobcat]

I don't think the hammers really need to get rebalanced. What Grifball should focus on is increased running speed and slightly lower gravity. If anything had to be tuned, it would be the force of the hammer itself in order to propel people farther.

Although, I don't think it would necessarily ruin the mode, but the big missing feature is carrying a bomb that would explode when scoring a goal. Infinite still has yet to have some type of bomb planting mode.

[onyx latch]

It would 100% change how the mode is played. For the better, I personally think, but then my opinions are mercurial on Grifball.

[crystal iron]

Haven't seen much news on YouTube for the game, Any significant updates been made?

[magic night]

Take a look at everything posted here and you can determine if that meets your bar for significance https://www.halowaypoint.com/news?category=games

[crystal iron]

... Yea Not so much. tenrai Event? Wasn't that something that happened already, never been a fan of the tenrai armor so Yea. Well guess season 5 Updates will be the Big thing I guess

[onyx latch]

It was a theme repeat with new armor drops.

[crystal iron]

I don't use the Tenrai so It wouldn't really be something that would draw me in.

Maybe the PvE stuff if it ever drops

[civic sundial]

Well the next season begins next month and this current one is coming to a close, I expect they're gonna share news starting next month on what's coming up for Infinite, especially since HCS is next month

[crystal iron]

I'm not really an HCS person so that another thing I'm not really concerned with, but hopefully we do get some Season 5 content preview stuff, kinda wonder if they actually will have armor cross core this time.

[civic sundial]

They'll likely show some news about the next season at HCS

[devout kite]

343 needs to stop giving teammates that are dumb and don’t know how to play the objective

Like come on I’m sick and tired of carrying my team and telling them what to do

[frosty condor]

You can pay for better teammates for only 800 Craig Credits

(Per teammate)

(Per game)

[devout kite]

Not funny

[signal ivy]

neither is you saying the same thing over and over again

[frosty condor]

Spittin facts

[smoky wave]

343 needs to

[devout kite]

Sorry for having high standards and want my team to put in the same effort that I do when it comes to winning the match every single game

[signal ivy]

having high standards and basically spamming the same thing in this channel every 5-7 days are two different things

you can almost set your watch to when you come in and post the same message

you could can try using the LFG channels to find teammates and hopefully improve your experience

[grim citrus]

We should run one

[white birch]

I find it unlikely that there's bad teammates in every game he plays.
Unless he's running comp 24/7

[civic sundial]

Also the idea that the matchmaker is designed by 343i to specifically give one person bad teammates all the time makes no sense when you think about it

[onyx latch]

They're just mad.

Being mad makes you irrational.

It's why I say what I want to do when I'm mad, because it makes me realize how silly I sound.

[tulip tusk]

i thought the very bad just get paired with the very good in an attempt to balance the game to 50/50, so some very good will always see very bad players lol. if they didnt get very bad then theyd win more

[signal ivy]

all you have to do is look at their match history to see they were only 1st on their team 2 out of the last 10 matches

so it's not like they are holding up their team in every game

[signal ivy]

well that requires the person to be very good

[amber violet]

Hows infinite going for everyone rn? Yay or nay

[fallen flame]

Yay!

Infinite is in such a good state these days and its only getting better

[ruby lake]

yay

[fallen flame]

And season 5 is not far away

[grim citrus]

A lot of the players I roll with are clueless

When I solo

Set ups for objectives are almost not happening in ranked arena

[ruby lake]

im the only one who plays the objective (with a broken controller too)

[grim citrus]

The amount of times I play recharge and we have A and B on lock, with people in the right places to force them to spawn on C, there’s always 2 guys trying to triple cap for no reason

[misty vale]

If you play the game for the gameplay, you're having a great time. If you play the game to be competitive, or to play dress up, you're still mad

[ruby lake]

true words to stand by

[grim citrus]

Infinite is primarily a dress up game

[white birch]

To be fair, I got my many knives MK VII so since then I have been happy with the dress up part

[misty vale]

I mean I'm into this game for $20

[white birch]

The only thing I require now is crosscore wrists and the FOTUS helmet

[misty vale]

bp1, then bp2-present

and I have millions of options for my little dolly

and all my spartans look swank

but it is STILL whined about a lot!

[ruby lake]

i just want wrist attachments on the other wrist

is that too hard? (ocd jelly)

[magic night]

The other wrist is where your equipment goes, so probably

[ruby lake]

nuh uh

[celest heron]

be nice if I stopped getting put in lobbies with players who are onyx or a lot closer to it than I am. first two games and ts2 is saying I was expected to go negative in them which I did, but worse since I'm not warmed up or anything. real fun

[dusk whale]

so you want waaaaaay stricter SBMM then the current extremely weak one. The lack of real SBMM is realy killing this game. I think almost nobody is having fun with this.

[full warren]

I bet my teammates who went 1/15 and 1/16 are loving the game

I think they must started playing halo because they love the death screen

Like does 343 really think people are having fun when they are that bad of a game consistantly

[onyx latch]

See what I mean about saying weird or silly things constantly when they're mad, instead of thinking?

[full warren]

I just been telling 343 to have a noob lobby let the players with under 50 games play each other let them learn the game before putting them into like aonyx lobby in socials

because that is what is happening, literally like 1onyx 1 high diamond + two players with 0 games played on each team and somehow that is supposed to be a fun game

[glacial tartan]

That’s a balanced game from the matchmakers point of view, ranked adds that extra variable no?

[near blade]

thats what quick play is for

[full warren]

umm no its not lol, other game actually have protected lobbies for new players halo infinite does not seem to have that

just throw you in the deep end

[near blade]

that's literally the intent of quick play. For new players to learn the basics.

[glacial tartan]

It’s a very complex problem. How long would you like to force new accounts into lobbies with each other?

What do you do when players make new accounts and abuse that system?

[young glen]

I'd say this is difficult to pull off with Infinite's current playlist system. There are so many choices, that the game would require a much higher population to have noob lobbies similar to say... Overwatch 2 or Hearthstone (I know it's not a shooter, but it pairs new players with new players). I imagine 343 would have to slowly unlock playlists as players played more matches if they wanted fairer games for a player's multiplayer introductory experience.

[full warren]

well so ? let them have 50 games and move them out

[celest heron]

in that scenario, the two top players would most likely be expected to hard carry while the newbs get destroyed whenever they run into them. Might be balanced on paper so to speak, but doesn't play out as a fun game in reality.

[young glen]

I have to agree.

[magic night]

I think if a new player decides they're ready for a non-Bot Bootcamp match, why stop them?

[random void]

Has anyone gotten 10K score in one game?

[glacial tartan]

I know how it plays out - that’s how it’s always played out.

The number of games played doesn’t directly translate to skill 1 to 1. So won’t you still be complaining if your teammates have played 50 games and go 1 - 16?

[onyx latch]

I think that the most optimal solution is clearly to just put all the onyx players into a vacuum chamber.

And leave them at the bottom of the ocean forever.

[devout kite]

I think new players should be in bootcamp until they get the hang of the game before jumping into a non bootcamp match

[ruby lake]

yeah why care abt how one plays their games

it aint hurtng anyone

[onyx latch]

Again, I can't say that angry thing any clearer.

[celest heron]

yeah maybe in mcc, but it shouldn't be happening with this type of skill system. onyx players shouldn't be in a lobby with golds for example. there should be a skill/rank cutoff in social unless it's a last resort.

[full warren]

I mean some of these people dont understand how to pick up the flag or what even is a flag

[glacial tartan]

If you want more even games, lobby for 343 to enforce team matching in social. If you solo queue and get 2 noobs on both teams then at least that’s more fair then solo matching a team of 4 - and it’s what you signed up for.

[full warren]

Like why does 343 not have a tutorial forced on you when you join to give you the basics

[onyx latch]

...

[ruby lake]

just teach them the button controls

ez
WAIT AMINUTE

[onyx latch]

I love how you assume it's because they literally don't know, lmao

[full warren]

like this is flag this is ball, this is what try it out and then you can go into a protected lobby,

[ruby lake]

i heard of this argument before

[glacial tartan]

If you want control over your team then select your teammates.

[onyx latch]

^

[ruby lake]

^

[onyx latch]

V

[ruby lake]

cheese

[onyx latch]

Correct!

[full warren]

its not controlling if I am asking them to know the basics of the game

[glacial tartan]

You should queue into every game expecting your teammates are piles of jelly

[ruby lake]

hey! stop giving my name a bad name!

[full warren]

lol if that is your logic than no wonder you dont care

[onyx latch]

I cannot impress more thoroughly that the issue is far more likely to be that they don't care about the objective than ignorance.

[celest heron]

pretty sure people have been for years

[ruby lake]

especially me

no way am i gonna have a full team of onyx-ranked players and not have that one caboose

[onyx latch]

The caboose adds character.

[ruby lake]

(correct!)

[young glen]

I don't think this game needs a tutorial. It's fairly intuitive. If any non-optional tutorial is added I imagine it'd lose new player retention quicker than before.

Remember: it's a F2P game.

[ruby lake]

yeah not everyone is a pro

[celest heron]

they literally have a tutorial mode

[ruby lake]

or have both hands.

[onyx latch]

Seriously, why the hell is the default assumption that they don't know what the hell an objective is?

[young glen]

It's not forced Luke

[glacial tartan]

I’ve played more Halo than probably anyone here I don’t know why you’d say I don’t care.

[full warren]

valorent has a tutorial... most f2p has a forced tutorial

[young glen]

I don't think Halo needs a forced tutorial.

You think the game is that complicated?

[magic night]

Isn't Valorant's skippable?

[ruby lake]

yeah especially all youre doing is shooting and jumping

I DONT NEED MY HAND TO BE HELD, STINKER.

[full warren]

well people dont understand the game from the looks of it so yes

[onyx latch]

It would explain a lot

[ruby lake]

DO I LOOK LIKE I PLAY BABY GAMES?!

i mean people assume i do

but thats not the point.

[magic night]

Either way, I think expecting balanced games in social is reasonable, but some people are expecting what is essentially ranked matchmaking outside the ranked playlists. The easy solution is to just play ranked.

[full warren]

one game mode people do not understand is control point.

[onyx latch]

Honestly

If someone starts acting like I don't know what the objective is, I'd totally forget

[ruby lake]

yeah id forget too

[onyx latch]

"SCREEEE DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT A FLAG IS!?!??!!?"

Nope, not anymore

[ruby lake]

"PASS THE BALL!!"

throws it to enemy team

thats how a real one plays oddball

[onyx latch]

"Wait, why do I have the enemy's flag? I should return this, it's impolite to steal"

[ruby lake]

yeah
stealing is bad!

[full warren]

You guys joke but some new players actually dont know where to take the flag...

[ruby lake]

ok

however

i think birds should be removed from infinite

[stone nimbus]

"Excuse me sir, which way to the hill?"
there's a waypoint marked for all players

[ruby lake]

they have no hitboxes

and i cant shoot them down from the sky

[glacial tartan]

@full warren Are you a high onyx player? Just curious.

[full warren]

no idea, I got palced D4 after the placements and never touched it

[ruby lake]

you bird people sicken me

[full warren]

But I face atleast 1500-1600 onyx players in my social team slayers pretty much every game

[glacial tartan]

Got it. I usually hear this complaint from two different packs, the very high ends and the very average.

[full warren]

However considering I am always the top of the team like 90% of my games and probably like top of the whole game 60-70% of the time

[glacial tartan]

I hope you’re able to enjoy the game soon. MCC may be a decent change of pace but tbh I think you need a break from Halo altogether.

[full warren]

but at the end of the day I am only 52% win rate is just seem pointless

[left snow]

You just said you placed D4. It is likely you are Onyx. And probably quite high Onyx. Which explains a lot about the type of matches you are getting - there just isn't enough players of your skill level to make closer teams.

[full warren]

Buy why not make it onyx to like plat that is pretty wide range it does not need to be onyx to people with 0 games played

I mean 0 games played I checked some people and that was their first game ever

[left snow]

That bit is kind of on you. If you can't separate the personal enjoyment part of the game from the team aspect - you are setting yourself up to burn a lot of emotional energy.

[left snow]

I agree. I think we've discussed this before. They should use bots to fill lobbies for new players. And spend more time honing the ranks in your lobbies.

That bit is on 343.

[full warren]

Well that is why I pretty much only play slayer now obnjectives just suck in this game

[left snow]

Yep. At least in Slayer you can carry the team. There often isn't much you can do if the team isn't being remotely tactical in an objective game.

[celest heron]

I found it annoying that I was put in two games in a row where I was expected to go negative, lol. There should be plenty of people in my skill range that I could match instead.

[full warren]

That is basicly what the other half of my team feels every games they always go negative I assume if they are getting like 1/XX kills a game, not sure why they even bother, I would have quit lol

[glacial tartan]

Everyone starts somewhere

[grim citrus]

Infinite not having ranked team slayer is a huge L on their part.

Obj on solo will make you want to stop playing halo altogether

[dusk whale]

be happy, my winrate in S4 is about 20%, since i often have to carry my team (i am just an average skilled player) while there is either a higher skilled player on the enemy team or multiple people that are about as skilled as me... It's just unwinnable match after unwinnable match ever since S4 started. Only last week i had 1 single day that i finaly got decent matches. The lack of SBMM and functional team balancing is just destroying all the fun.

[uneven bison]

Land should be removed from halo infinite

We all become birds

And dwell in the air

[onyx latch]

True!

[slim flint]

and immediately get shot down by shock rifles because infinite’s campaign really needs you to use the grappling hook

[uneven bison]

Or maybe because the banished shoot whatever moves, enemy or not

[onyx latch]

Banished are basically just Anarcho-Capitalist Covenant, huh.

"The bird violated our Non-Aggression Pact, and must therefore die to a Banished Shock Rifle"

[livid fable]

yeah, this assesment falls flat when considering the game will literally put you in games it expects you to get 0 kills in

[livid fable]

so this game is made for. . . what kind of people exactly? People who separate personal enjoyment from .... the team aspect? P. sure he was talking about his win rate there

[scarlet shuttle]

Why did they have to ruin Husky Raid by adding Super Husky Raid? What’s up with the Super Weapon? It’s master boring.

I quit Destiny because I was fed up with ultimate abilities killing so easily, and now Halo is plagued with Super Weapons killing too easily.

[hollow bobcat]

Husky raid, but everybody has rocket launchers

[onyx latch]

Sometimes that just be how it do.

[misty vale]

Super husky raid is goated

[celest heron]

first game of it and had an afk teammate so that was cool. One person on the other team got 3 overs and another with a killtroc cause we couldn't get them out of our spawn.

[left snow]

And so was I. The comment was along the lines of how am I supposed to enjoy a "pointless" win-rate of 52%. It's only pointless if you put excessive relevance into it.

It's the nature of (non-elite) team sports.

[frosty condor]

I’ve gotten 2 killtacs with the super sidekick and it’s suuuuuch a fun weapon to use

[fresh stone]

i interviewed Jeff Stietzer if anyone is tryna learn more about the man behind the medals! and hearing about the bungie days and his impact on halo check out the video 🙂

[full warren]

That weapons is busted lol, it does not have much ammo but it shreds people haha you can't lose a 1v1 in that

you can kill someone in the time they fire a rocket at you. the kill time is so short

[coarse dagger]

It was put to the community and that's what the majority of people asked for

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full warren]

I wonder who are these community lol. all can be fixed if we had a match composer so we can pick the modes we want to play then no one will be complaining

[smoky wave]

People voted on Forge lord twitter, reddit was also complaining why they removed it
You know, the community

Here too iirc

So yeah, 343 listened and put it there

[full warren]

The I ssue I see is, prople who want it back will go vote and peopel who don't care probably didn't even see the vote lol. so the only people voted are probably fans of the game mode anyway I dont really care about it being in or out,

[smoky wave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest heron]

it was one of my favorite campaign weapons.

[scenic goblet]

So, I found out about the 4 Halo animated mini series, are they any good? Are they good adaptations of the books?

[serene badger]

I play infinite multiplayer a couple hours a week, my schedule is too busy.
I noticed that my improvement has hit a ceiling, but cannot find more time to play. I also need to practice more advance techniques like flag juggling, butt sliding around corners, and spawn control.

Any good maps/modes y'all suggest for honing these techniques on?

[magic night]

Are you talking about the Fall of Reach?

[uneven bison]

Practice on common ranked maps, like live fire, Aquarius and streets. I forgot the plaza remakes name, but that one’s common too. Do weapon drills a lot as well, they really do help. Tac slayer helps with headshot practice as well

[scenic goblet]

Yeah

[magic night]

It's pretty accurate to the book

[glacial tartan]

There are people livestreaming themselves cheating in MCC

Thats pretty rough

[magic night]

It makes reporting them that much easier though

[glacial tartan]

😦

Flying/Aimbotting/Spoofing etc. If they are blatant enough to leave stream it I guess 343 cant do anything anymore

And I cant post the clips to reddit because its considered "witch hunting"

[serene badger]

Excellent, thanks for the advice, i will get working on that.

[uneven bison]

I’d also recommend finding a squad to play with, because communication is key in higher ranks, but if you want to do it yourself like me, then I’d say just practice and practice.

[misty vale]

What would reddit do? Send the clips in the report.

[glacial tartan]

Attempting a different avenue since the reports dont seem to get any eyes on the issue

[carmine plume]

Hey, has anyone had the issue when aiming (LT) that it suddenly auto fires without pressing the fire trigger? Seems like that just happened with me, strangely enough it does not happen in any other games. My controllers works fine except for this issue only on Halo Infinite.

[onyx latch]

record it happening and submit a report with the video attached to the support website.

Because last I checked, that's not a known issue.

[wraith willow]

should i set Simulation Quality to Ultra? or is that an old thing

[misty vale]

absolutely should

[serene badger]

Totally understand.
I was going to join the "voice" like social squads, and play with some crew on this discord, but I play on the X and require a headset when i play, and i clearly cannot have my Xbox headset on while having a discussion on discord through my phone or PC.

[magic night]

Why not join the Discord VC through Xbox?

[serene badger]

Can I do that?

[crystal iron]

Yes, just connect your xbox account to discord account and then enter voice chat channel through xbox menu

[serene badger]

Dumb question, yes, as I just googled it.
Yeeeeeaaa boi.
I really should get nitro i suppose...

[crystal iron]

Why?

It doesn’t require nitro as far as I know

[serene badger]

Na, for the other benefits.
I feel like there is not enough communication during multiplayer matches. PC peeps have their chat box, which i was thinking of connecting my wireless keyboard to be able to swiftly communicate that way, and not a lot of people use the headsets on console.

A lot of the time in Infinite, i wonder how many people are actually hearing me when am providing intel during a game.

[civic sundial]

I can say having Discord on Xbox has been super handy, used it a bunch since it was added to talk with people while I've been playing Halo and other games

[serene badger]

Does is work like an xbox party?

[olive orbit]

Does anyone wanna play mcc halo ce with me Xbox?

[serene badger]

Uuuuuuug, working bro. Or i would.

[wraith willow]

got it 👍

[full warren]

just got a prime example of silly match making, 26/9 me, 22/10 team mate. rest of the team basicly got 0 kills. 2/12 and 0/13, it was a duo both quit the game around the 40 kill mark. we won but they probably hated being in that game

[onyx latch]

Not only is it not canon, it's not something you're allowed to discuss here because it's a very tired NSFW joke.

[rigid tundra]

Ok sorry

Imma delete that

[spiral shadow]

does anyone know why im getting 5-6 points every game im winning even when im mvp and when i lose its always 10-11 points even when i play best on my team?

while my team is getting way more and lose way less than i do

or who should i contact in this situation?

[full warren]

Did you take a long break from the game?

if so it might be adjusting your mmr/csr

[rugged quartz]

I'm glad its permament

The one thing im concerned about rn is rumble pit's higher search time

[spiral shadow]

No, I played almost every day in the past month

[magic night]

Your CSR changes on a variety of factors, but a lot of it boils down to how well you did compared to your expected performance. If you did like the game expected to, given your teammates and opponents skills, then it won't go up much. Do better, it goes up a lot when you win and less when you lose. Do worse, and it goes up a little when you when and more when you lose.

[spiral shadow]

That I know but it doesn't explain my problem because it's a constant thing unrelated to my performance.

I lose more than 10 points on games i played very good compared to myself and my team mates on many ocaasions

same for games i win

[magic night]

It's always related to performance. One thing you should look at to tell is your last 20 games stats at https://www.halowaypoint.com/halo-infinite/players/GnoGi
and your match history at https://halotracker.com/halo-infinite/profile/xbl/GnoGi/matches?experience=ranked&playlist=edfef3ac-9cbe-4fa2-b949-8f29deafd483
If your team is expected to win the match, then expect lower CSR gains and higher CSR losses (Halotracker to check). Additionally, if you aren't exceeding your expected kills, then expect the same (Waypoint to check)

Another thing to take note of is that CSR doesn't function like a pure progression system. If your skill isn't actually improving, then your CSR won't go up much and will try to correct itself. Don't expect to reach Diamond 6 if you aren't actually playing like a Diamond 6.

[spiral shadow]

when you look at my last 20 games don't you think something is weird with the pointing system?

[magic night]

I can't actually see your expected kills and deaths on Waypoint. Only you can see that, so that's some information I don't have to properly judge. Based on everything else, I can't see anything wrong.

Like based on your Ranked KOTH game, the odds were in your team's favor to win, so since you lost, it makes sense that your losses would be higher.

[spiral shadow]

but on the other hand in many games I were playing against teams with higher rank average and won it was the same.

[grave ether]

You can always file a ticket to support if you think there might be a glitch

[spiral shadow]

Ok, thank you.

[misty vale]

15-8-2 over my past 25. Game doesn't really feel like the SBMM is that bad to me

but..I play for fun

[full warren]

Do what other said log into haloway point and se what is your expected kill and death

it should tell you if the system is correct

[spiral shadow]

im mostly above kills expected and under deaths expected i cant upload the image

it seems off

[sullen kiln]

Please note that direct uploads are disabled. In order to share your content, you'll need to upload it elsewhere and share a link here. Twitter, Instagram, and Imgur.com are excellent options for this. Thanks for understanding!

[spiral shadow]

https://imgur.com/a/fRFJDnX

the biggest example is the strongholds game i played 5 hrs ago when exp kills were 18 and i killed 27 and exp deaths 16 but had 12 deaths and got 6 points

strongholds is not directly about kills but my other stats were good too

[full warren]

not sure but I just know a patch ago 343 wanted to move everyone's stats down so everyone was getting +5 and -15 games.

maybe you didn't play during that patch and the system is still taking time to adjust

[glacial tartan]

The cheaters are back openly flying around cheating on Twitch

zzzzZZZZZ thanks 343 🙂

[analog salmon]

yeah if you stop playing ranked for a while and come back and they've adjusted something, it takes a bit of time for your CSR to adjust

at least i think that's what i experienced

kinda brutal but there's no way around it

[grave ether]

Clip it and report it

[glacial tartan]

I do. Even if they get banned, which they dont, they make a new xbox account and move on.

[crystal iron]

Damn

[full warren]

sometimes playing this game is a struggle, between not able to find a game and the constantly lossing because of bad team mates really ruins the time I want to spend playing this game, I spend like half waiting to find a game

[worldly matrix]

It is sad that this is what MCC has become.

[crystal iron]

Yeah mcc been getting worse with cheaters

[worldly matrix]

I think I've touched the game 3 times in the past few months.

just on infinite or starfield.

[glacial tartan]

Fazda you're a known cheater I dont know why you're even allowed in here 🤣

[crystal iron]

No I was also framed I have a video of it

[glacial tartan]

Sure thing - 343 wont do anything so you're free to do it openly :/

[crystal iron]

All they need is anti an AI anti cheat

Is an*

Easy isn’t working out

[glacial tartan]

You use the same discord account and profile picture in the leaked logs from the cheating channels lol

[worldly matrix]

I've known Fazda for YEARS, I doubt he is a hacker.

[glacial tartan]

Anyway, we'll see if 343 takes notice at some point. Good luck 🙂

[crystal iron]

Nah there’s a guy named kerneldriver who’s been caught making fake accounts of me

[left snow]

The best thing is to not sweat the details. If you get lots of points for a win then your MMR > CSR. If you don't get a lot of points then your MMR < CSR. And vice versa for losing.

You personal performance is secondary.

The only metric the system really looks at is KPM and DPM. And that's where keeping an eye on your expected kills and deaths is handy. But remember it's only a weighting.

If you want to get your MMR > CSR then you need to beat teams that better than you. Just keep winning. And that takes time, work, and a bit of luck (the server doesn't always have appropriate games to find you).

[grave ether]

If you aren't making friendly banter and joking, but are serious, confronting this in chat isn't the way to go. There is a report system and that's the proper channel of getting it to the proper place. It can be found here https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us/articles/4403866308884-How-to-report-a-player

[glacial tartan]

I already reported it. I've done it dozens and dozens and dozens of times.

I know it doesnt work and I'm frustrated because I love the game and the community. But it is what it is, I'll keep silently making tickets while they livestream themselves cheating with no consequence.

If you have other suggestions I'm all ears. Tickets are copy/paste automated response, Twitter gets ignored, reddit its called witchhunting and its banned, its not appropriate here.

[crystal iron]

Is someone really cheating on twitch tho?

[glacial tartan]

Yes - which I obviously wont link here.

[grave ether]

I can attest from personal experience it does work. However you are correct in that statement about it being witch-hunting and it's not allowed here. If you have proof and submit it to the ticket. Don't bring the drama here.

[young glen]

I can also confirm that people cheat publicly on Twitch. They're not very smart, obviously.

[crystal iron]

People arent thinking straight

[glacial tartan]

I'll keep my mouth shut no problem 🙂 Back to talking about Infinite MMR

[young glen]

Oh I'm not accusing you Fazda, just seconding FFA Panda's confirmation of Twitch cheating.

[crystal iron]

I did submit a ticket on the cheaters going around using my gt

[grave ether]

And that's a known issue

[full warren]

I mean if someone knows how to cheat I think they know how not to get banned or get around getting banned. There isn't a way to ban people since you can spoof anythign these days, mac address, ip, name, account

[glacial tartan]

They dont care because your Steam account isnt going to be banned and Xbox accounts are free

[full warren]

You can just get it on the xbobx store thing instead

my god. I been queueing team slayer and it timed me out... and I started again and it looks like its going to time me out agan

wasted 20 mins..... so funnnnnnn

[glacial tartan]

That requires game pass / a subscription. On Steam you buy the game once and you have unlimited accounts.

[full warren]

The game is free tho

only the single player is paid

you dont need the single player to play multiplayer

[glacial tartan]

Im not talking about Infinite

[full warren]

oh mcc

[glacial tartan]

Yes

[full warren]

I mean considering those guys are paying like $100+ dollars a month for the cheat

I am sure they can afford to buy multiple copies of mmc is it came to it

[glacial tartan]

I dont think we'll ever know

[full warren]

in 1 hour I am only able to find 2 team slayer game... so i basicly waited 40 mins to play 20 mins this is jokes

why do I even bother

[young glen]

I mean, I couldn't even find a single match for quickplay at midnight the other day, so good luck trying to find one at this time lol. (We're both EU)

[full warren]

They really should let us play on american servers

its stupid that they wont even put us in american servers even tho I am asking for expanded.

They probbaly think americans will complain too much when they see the ping

[calm delta]

So

Um

When are we getting any content

[ruby lake]

now.

[calm delta]

For campaign

I mean 😅

[full warren]

never pretty much lol

or like another year or two maybe, they gotta fix multiplayer first

[calm delta]

They still doing that?

[full warren]

I mean they are making content for multiplayer right now

some people think the updates been good.

So once they get a few good seasons going then maybe they will rehire the campaign team lol or move people back to it

I really doubt we will get much content for campaign any time soon

[calm delta]

Yeah

Tbh that all I play with infinite

[full warren]

100 mins wait got 4 team slayer game so amazing match making. I am done tongiht because it just don';t want me to play this game

consdiering this is american peak time and I can;t get a single american game is a joke of a system

[calm delta]

That's why I sent to play campaign

*tend

[crystal iron]

If you have a vpn you can hop on American servers

[slow walrus]

which vpn works?

all the ones I've tried are blocked

[dusk bronze]

you tried nordvpn?

usually works for me and pretty fast also

[slow walrus]

I have yeah and no luck

[left snow]

@dusk bronze I kind of assumed that the game servers would still discriminate against the unusually high ping player?

[dusk bronze]

they still would iirc

[livid fable]

defeat defeat defeat defeat defeat defeat defeat defeat defeat

i'm counting the rocket launchers now.

it's like my husky raid hobby.

the majority of rocket launcher kills i get are from what i pick up off of dead people i kill with some kind of pistol

and it seems like the only time i get rocket launchers is when the enemy is on my spawn

[lime robin]

@onyx latch look these were the Doritos you saw the other day

[onyx latch]

Yee

[celest heron]

soo many afk'ers tonight

[livid fable]

backfill, 2 steals, 2 captures, 27 kills, 18 deaths. 1 extermination with a rocket launcher i picked up.

[livid fable]

and they're in every mode. even ffa. i'm wondering if maybe it isn't some kind of connection issue.

[open umbra]

When is the peak time for NA and EU?

[open umbra]

I had some huge lag spikes 12 hours ago (my character kept teleporting back) that I had to quit the match to not feed kills to the enemy at the time.

Not sure if it was a packet loss issue, my network quality problem or my xbox one just couldn't run during that time

[livid fable]

also,
defeat defeat defeat victory defeat defeat defeat

last game. i'm tired of just constantly going against people who can snipe the zipper off a fly taking a leak.

kdr jumps between 1:4 and 4:1

from, not between

[crystal iron]

Why are your vpns being blocked?

[tribal owl]

with season 5 rolling out and everyone saying this going to be fire fight season

I think it'd be cool if one of the firefight maps is the infinity

Pre crash while its being attacked

Like that one mission in spartan ops

[ruby knoll]

i can't wait for the inevitable

WTF NUMBR COMPANI LITERALLY PROMISED SUPER MEGA FIREFIGHT ULTRA FOR SEASON 5 wtf wtf wtf

if firefight doesn't come

[civic sundial]

You’re predicting that for after? I’m expecting that to happen before the season releases

[devout kite]

Why doesn’t ULLR have a proper visor

[crystal iron]

It would be funny lmao

[smoky wave]

Still curious about season 5 honestly, if we got weapons models that changes all of the model
I wonder if they do the same for vehicles

[devout kite]

They stop the vehicle mods since it was most likely a failure in 343 eyes

[smoky wave]

That's not what I'm getting at

[celest heron]

guess we'll find out at world's

[smoky wave]

It happened the same with weapons having only one thing attached and then we got full change weapon model in this season, could happen the same with vehicles at some point

[devout kite]

Most likely we’ll get three new weapon models, one for owning the pass, another one on the paid tier of the pass, the third one for HCS

[civic sundial]

I could see them doing something like that to reintroduce the Bungie era Warthog design

[smoky wave]

Yeaaah

[signal ivy]

I'll take "things I made up for 500, Alex"

[onyx latch]

Same reason GUNGNIR doesn't.

Or LOCUS, or Wetwork, or Recluse, etc etc

[full warren]

ok this match making is drunk we have gold and plat players vs onyx and all diamond.

[rugged quartz]

We need sniper, wasp, scorpion, hydra, commando models

[crystal iron]

Husky raid is so fun

[river canyon]

So I recently started playing through the MCC and realized I wanted to give 343i games another chance and played through spartan ops and was ready to jump into Halo 5 guardians, Halo wars 2, and eventually Halo Infinite by using the xbox game pass for PC... only to realize that even with the game pass that Halo 5 seems to be only xbox exclusive. Why?? Am I missing something? is there really no way to play it without buying a whole console for one game? and then never use it again?

[civic sundial]

Halo 5 never got a full PC release

There is Halo 5 Forge but that obviously lacks campaign

[river canyon]

I don't understand why not. Halo 5 is the only game that hasn't been ported over. Just seems like a huge oversight to exclude it from such a huge portion of their fans.

[onyx latch]

It's a mix of over and undereaction.

And inaction.

[civic sundial]

Not to mention they had their focus elsewhere over the past however many years since MCC was announced for PC, namely on bring that to PC as well as bringing in Reach and working on Infinite

I do agree that Halo 5 should be brought to PC proper, but I can understand why it's not a priority right now

[onyx latch]

It'd also somehow be a PR disaster, I'm sure.

Which is stupid, by the way, that it would be.

[civic sundial]

I don't think it'd be bad PR to bring Halo 5 to PC

[magic night]

You can upgrade to Game Pass Ultimate for a month and play Halo 5 through Cloud Gaming, if you want to avoid buying a console.

[full warren]

They just need time, since they messed up mcc and took years to fixc

then infinite which is being fixed

once they fixed that and add new dlc for infiinite maybe they will get round to it if people have not all left

[river canyon]

I know I'm just frustrated, I could just watch a playthrough of it on YouTube, but I'd much rather play and experience it myself. Especially since I'm trying to play Halo Wars 2 and Infinite, the thought of having to skip over a major game installment just bothers the crap out of me.

[magic night]

I take it you don't want to try the Cloud option

[onyx latch]

Then you haven't really thought through the level of raging this fanbase can go through.

People whined about MCC releasing early to PC, or even having Halo 4 on it.

[river canyon]

I'm not sure if I have the internet speed for it, not to mention that service is still in beta so I'm skeptical of how optimized it would be, i'll be looking more into it.

[onyx latch]

Halo 5 is the equivalent of the antichrist to a non-zero number of fans. If they focused even slightly on porting it to PC, it'd be reviving the devil, effectively, to people who have little better to do with their day than be angry about fictional stories.

[river canyon]

I get that it wasn't a fan favorite, I can't really explain why I want to play it myself, but it still bothers me.

[onyx latch]

I mean, you want to play it because you want to play it. That's not a crime. Anyone who says it is should get stabbed in the foot with a red-hot poker.

It's an utterly childish notion to think someone shouldn't play something just because you don't like it.

[river canyon]

Bahaha I wholeheartedly agree. I've even looked into the possibilty of renting a console for a month or two to play it, but i'm going to look more into the cloud streaming option first, or i'll just wait until they do decide to port it to PC. Gotta Happen eventually right? Maybe after Halo Infinite dies down a bit and before they release a new title in the future.

[onyx latch]

As time goes on, it'll be harder and harder for them to do so.

[wheat acorn]

Anyone know where I can buy just Halo CE, just by itself. Not the revamped one, the OG from 2001. For PC, btw.

[magic night]

The only way to play the original PC port for Halo CE would be to get a secondhand copy.

[floral vault]

Howdy

[wheat acorn]

Alr

[magic night]

Just a heads up, talking about emulators would violate the server rules.

[serene badger]

I was playing the original on Xbox last week. I missed those huge controllers.

Halo runs smoother with MCC on the X, than the original console. But it was fun revisiting 2001 history.

[celest heron]

probly a combination of working on Infinite and starting to fix mcc.

[civic knot]

hmm is it just me? but Halo players are just kamikaza players ( running to you ,hoop to smak firts ....à

[civic sundial]

I try to be smart but sometimes I lose my braincells during a long day of work and I can't think tactically

[civic knot]

the marksmanship don't count anymore. every week player can take out a leek player. (skills are gone for markmans)

there need to be a new playlist. smak en run

[civic sundial]

What?

I didn't know leeks were playing this game

[grim citrus]

“ItS nOt hALo. WhY aRe the sParTaNs lIKe PoWeR RaNgErS”

[livid fable]

Halo 5's campaign certainly is, but even the people who hate the campaign say the multiplayer was fun, even though it didn't play like a Halo game

like it's not even a comparison. compare the Halo 4 multiplayer counts to the Halo 5 multiplayer ccounts

[fallen flame]

Halo 5 didn't show the population

[slim flint]

even though I don’t like Halo 5, I still think it should be ported to PC

[livid fable]

https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07/08/halo-5-has-series-highest-number-of-active-players-since-halo-3

[grim citrus]

It was hitting 100k players signing in throughout the day

[livid fable]

see, that's how you make good campaign content

[drifting geode]

hell yeah

[drifting geode]

possibly since uh....its the newest one and not many people have Halo 3

also halo 2 shut down

(multiplayer)

[livid fable]

that was Halo 5, and it means more people played Halo 3 and Halo 5 than they did Halo 4 multiplayer

[onyx latch]

It's what? Fine?

[drifting geode]

i havent played halo 4 yet, im playing halo 3: odst rn so i dont know if its good or no

[livid fable]

widely despised, considered to be the Antichrist of writing

[onyx latch]

Rhetorical question. It's fine.

[drifting geode]

and im too poor to afford halo 5

[onyx latch]

Which is still the stupidest burden on it because it doesn't even make sense that it's reviled so thoroughly. At this point it's just a crowd-perpetuated meme.

[livid fable]

sure dude, whatever. standards are illusory.

[grim citrus]

Don’t understand people that say halo 5 has bad writing and praise the OT to have superb writing

[livid fable]

Halo 5's multiplayer would have great success if put on PC.

[drifting geode]

honestly halo 3 odst and reach have the best storylines

[grim citrus]

Those games focused more on being cool than add any sort of depth

[onyx latch]

Well, half right.

[drifting geode]

at least for me ngl

[livid fable]

because the original trilogy was cheesy and fun and sometimes deep, and Halo 5 was disjointed and boring as a story

[signal ivy]

Halo 3 had some of the worst writing in the franchise IMO

[drifting geode]

halo 3 is also pretty damn nice

[grim citrus]

Special pleading

[drifting geode]

odst of just halo 3?

[signal ivy]

just Halo 3

[drifting geode]

it wasnt in my top 2

halo 2 is my 3rd best

[signal ivy]

well both

[livid fable]

no, literal statement of fact.

[signal ivy]

ODST is pretty down there with my least favorite

[livid fable]

and you know what? don't bother arguing with me. go argue with the numbers.

[grim citrus]

The numbers?

[livid fable]

sir I am wounded

[grim citrus]

Ad populums in the afternoon?

[drifting geode]

yh im currently in the proggres of completeing it in the master chiefs collection, recently finished halo 3

[livid fable]

are you talking about multiplayer? because I think we thoroughly established that the reception to the multiplayer and the reception to the campaign were very different

[grim citrus]

I’m talking about the campaign

I don’t care for the reception, I care for what is true

[livid fable]

okay, here's what's true. it was a disjointed broken mess of a story that probably got rewritten halfway through because the higher ups at Microsoft were trying to capitalize on the iconicness of Cortana

[onyx latch]

If you say that it's bad because people don't like it, you don't really have an argument.

I never understood why that was such a hard concept to grasp.

[livid fable]

I'm saying so many people don't like it because it's bad

I never understood why that was such a hard concept to grasp.

[grim citrus]

Which halo are we talking about? CE, 2 or 3

[livid fable]

five.

halo 2 got rewritten halfway through but they actually made it into something good

[onyx latch]

Because it's objectively false and a fabricated narrative based off of poor understanding of the source material.

[grim citrus]

CE’s story fell short in the second half, 2 was missing a chunk of content and 3 was rushed

[onyx latch]

It's not a concept that needs to be grasped, it's a falsehood that needs to be addressed.

[livid fable]

it's objectively false that Halo 5 guardians is objectively badly written?

[onyx latch]

Yes, because it's not objectively badly written.

It could be better, but it's not bad.

[grim citrus]

Provide an argument on what was objectively badly written, please.

[slim flint]

it’s bad because Prometheans aren’t fun and it isn’t very good at telling you who half the characters are

[livid fable]

ignoring all of the actually terrible writing mechanics, including having characters try to drop background to make us sympathize with them while we're in the middle of a gunfight, and having the same guy we have to kill multiple times constantly coming back until he just can't come back for some reason,

we're supposed to be able to identify with this guy named locke who changes his mind on the master chief for no demonstrable reason in the game. he doesn't grow as a character, he just changes, and there's nothing that is there to make him change his mind

[onyx latch]

One is a design element issue, not a story issue, and it's subjective. The latter, yeah, that's really not its greatest strength, but that alone doesn't make for an objectively terrible story.

[smoky wave]

The prometheans part is gameplay not written

[livid fable]

hey, they actually greatly improved the Prometheans in Halo 5

[onyx latch]

You're ignoring the core of your argument?

[slim flint]

gameplay is part of the campaign

[onyx latch]

What a weird thought process.

[livid fable]

oh joy, somebody gets to tell me what the core of my own argument is.

another mind reading freak. someone called the circus.

[onyx latch]

Hey, you're the one ignoring it. I'd be remiss if I didn't notify you.

[livid fable]

what do you think is the core of my argument.

[onyx latch]

The mechanics of why it's bad.

[livid fable]

the mechanics of the story writing?

yes, they're bad. it's presented very poorly. it's literally written in a poor fashion.

[onyx latch]

Explain.

[grim citrus]

The story tells you who the characters are.
Locke- ex ONI hitman
Vale- child genius that’s well versed in sangheli
Tanaka- survivor from the planet minab that specializes in engineering
Buck- former ODST
Blue team - chief’s old team that all grew up together

All from the game.

[onyx latch]

You just telling me it's bad doesn't tell me anything. Creamed Spinach is bad. Water in socks is bad. Concussions are bad. Why are they bad. What makes them bad.

[livid fable]

well what makes it bad when characters are dropping dialogue in the middle of a gunfight is that I can't hear what the hell they're saying

[quiet yacht]

doesnt it just randomly tell you random traits of 4 characters in the first mission

[livid fable]

and if this is supposed to be stuff about their past, it really doesn't have much chance to be absorbed

so that is what is physically bad about trying to put backstory into gunfights

[grim citrus]

The old games that fall short of the same issues, but even worse. are they bad to you?

[livid fable]

bs

in the old games I didn't have three teammates dropping chatter like it was supposed to be characterizing them everywhere I went

[grim citrus]

In the old games, did they tell you anything about chief and Cortana?

So much that you should care for them?

[livid fable]

in the old games when you kill the dude he actually stayed dead and they didn't just recycle him ad infinitum

[grim citrus]

Like Johnson?

[livid fable]

literally did not need to.

[grim citrus]

Special pleading x2

[livid fable]

did you just say that we killed johnson? is that supposed to be a cohesive statement?

[grim citrus]

It’s a problem for one trilogy, but okay for another

[livid fable]

statement of fact again. people enjoyed the stories despite not having the elements you are claiming is necessary

[grim citrus]

Ad populum

[livid fable]

ad qualitum

if you're adding an element to a story and all it does is confuse people, you're literally making it worse. if the removal of that element does not make the story worse, it is not needed.

[grim citrus]

The old games tell you nothing about the people you interact with

[livid fable]

you said that already.

[onyx latch]

It's such a popular argument. Hah.

Get it. Popular.

[grim citrus]

I’ll keep saying it until you understand how hypocritical you sound

[livid fable]

it's not hypocritical to say that they shouldn't put something in the game if it makes it worse

when it makes it harder to understand, that's making it worse

[grim citrus]

Harder to understand… for you

[livid fable]

or maybe we should talk about why the arbiter apparently disliked locke for being an assassin in a war that occurred previously

because that makes a lot of sense.

[grim citrus]

Lmao

[livid fable]

literally rides with the demon and he sneers at an assassin

[slim flint]

the fact that it needs to be explained by someone else shows how bad the game was at telling it

[grim citrus]

Lmao. Not even close. It shows that people didn’t play the game. They led with the popular false narrative and ran with it.

[livid fable]

no, you must be talking about popularity or something

[onyx latch]

Assassins are popular yet also considered dishonorable under Sangheili culture. It's also gotta sting a bit when you're talking to the guy who explicitly was telling your ally org to kill you.

[livid fable]

Buck was written consistently and would have made a much better primary protagonist

[onyx latch]

Like, the fact Locke is a Spartan when he talks to Arbiter is almost irrelevant-that's not what the Arbiter's distrusting him for.

[quiet yacht]

the story also required people to do spartan ops which is never a good thing

[livid fable]

right, he's distrusting him because he was an enemy in a prior war that was trying to kill enemy leadership

[grim citrus]

Lmao what?

[livid fable]

with regards to assassination techniques, we're talking about the people that literally turn invisible and snipe from phantoms

[analog salmon]

Nathan Fillion plays seemingly the same good guy character in everything he’s featured in

[grim citrus]

Halo CE was required to understand halo 2, is that a bad thing?

[onyx latch]

He is very typecast.

[grim citrus]

These arguments today

[quiet yacht]

theres a difference between campaign and firefight

[slim flint]

I played the game. the only “false narrative” I got was that people didn’t like the game (and the only time I heard that much was when a few people just said it)

[analog salmon]

He plays that kind of character well tbf

[onyx latch]

I mean, it's also kind of a relatively simple archtype.

[livid fable]

the game play was great.

[onyx latch]

And, well, the man's gorgeous, so that makes it easier.

[grim citrus]

You clearly didn’t play it to understand the story

[livid fable]

locke was about as sympathetic as a kidney stone and as interesting as a piece of gravel

[slim flint]

that’s the only reason I played it

[grim citrus]

No it wasn’t

[livid fable]

you clearly are a condescending narcissist

[grim citrus]

Because if you played it to understand it, you wouldn’t be saying it

[onyx latch]

Lmao

[quiet yacht]

they are baiting

[grim citrus]

Lmao what?

[onyx latch]

Really? Character attacks?

[slim flint]

who are you to tell me the reason that I did something?

[onyx latch]

You might as well hand him the flag now.

[grim citrus]

Good lord

[livid fable]

character attacks are valid against people who claim to know the reason other people did things

[quiet yacht]

all jules has said is "the story isnt bad clearly you arent able to understand it"

rick and morty fan behavior

[livid fable]

dude literally told someone else why they play the game after they said why they played it

[grim citrus]

lol

[livid fable]

I think you only said that comment because you have other motives

when you have mind readers, reason doesn't matter anymore.

[onyx latch]

They really aren't, but go off.

[livid fable]

or how about I go on?

[grim citrus]

Someone made the argument that the characters aren’t explained. I debunked it

[livid fable]

you sure didn't jump up when you started telling somebody else what their own motive was for playing the game. if you care that much about fallacies, where were you in the other guy was assuming he knows a dude better than he knows himself?

[livid fable]

that's weird, I don't remember seeing that in this conversation

the part where they said characters were not explained or the part where you debunked the idea that characters were not explained

first you were mind reading, now you're hallucinating?

[onyx latch]

I think you should problably go and get a drink of water.

And take a few deep breaths.

[grim citrus]

He needs some milk

[livid fable]

well I know why you would say that.

[livid fable]

projection

[onyx latch]

I'm not saying that to be insulting, you just legitimately seem to be angry about this to an unhealthy degree.

[grim citrus]

it’s bad because Prometheans aren’t fun and it isn’t very good at telling you who half the characters are @livid fable

[slim flint]

you debunked the game not explaining the characters by explaining the characters better than the game?

[livid fable]

here's the really cool part. this isn't anger. this is literally just consistency.

[onyx latch]

Cool, but I don't believe you.

[livid fable]

and now you're trying to spin

[livid fable]

you have that right, but I don't care

[grim citrus]

lol trying to spin

[onyx latch]

You clearly do.

[livid fable]

about you thinking I'm angry?

[grim citrus]

You guys clearly don’t like it when you’re proven to be incorrect on your claims

[livid fable]

I mean I care that you perceive something which is untrue, I don't want you to go about acting on information that isn't good

[livid fable]

we wouldn't know since you haven't done that yet

[grim citrus]

Lmao

Sure man

[livid fable]

all you have to do is be consistent and stop trying to read minds and you will definitely understand "these arguments today"

[grim citrus]

Read minds?

[livid fable]

yeah, the part where you tell other people what you think the core of their argument is and then tell other people why they play a game

[grim citrus]

I replied to what he said

[livid fable]

you told the dude literally why he played the game

[grim citrus]

Because he was wrong

[livid fable]

do I get to tell you why you played the game?

[grim citrus]

Period

[livid fable]

I think you played the game because you enjoy hot pixel on Pixel action

he was wrong that he didn't like the story?

he was wrong that he played the game for the story?

[livid fable]

what was he wrong about?

[grim citrus]

The games explain the characters. Anyone that played it for the story would know that

You don’t have to go looking for these explanations

[livid fable]

where?

[grim citrus]

Lmao

[livid fable]

I went looking and what you're describing didn't happen

[proud cliff]

Wots all this then

[grim citrus]

This is hilarious

[livid fable]

do you suffer from so much cognitive dissonance that you can't tell when you're actually making stuff up? do you believe your own narratives?

[onyx latch]

Dumb arguments ad nauseam.

[coarse dagger]

Y'all are exhausting. Go touch grass for a bit

[grim citrus]

Not only do they talk about it, Cortana breaks down each character

When she was insulting them

I’m making things up is hilariously funny

Did you play the game or did you skim through it

[livid fable]

I'm sorry, do we just ignore moderators now?

I could be wrong but it looks like you're trying to carry on a conversation a moderator just heavily implied should stop

[onyx latch]

Did you touch grass?

[livid fable]

if the conversation is still on let me know

[ruby lake]

meow

[onyx latch]

I am right now

[livid fable]

shoe and sock are on, doesn't count

[grim citrus]

The conversation would’ve ended early if you accepted new information instead of dismissing it

[coarse dagger]

Just for future reference - when I say this, it means drop the conversation. It doesn't mean get a few last words in

[ruby lake]

bro wanted feet pics

[drifting geode]

in my opinion bungie should just continue working on halo

their games are top tier

[ruby lake]

ew no.

[onyx latch]

That's... Not even what Bungie wanted.

[livid fable]

after what bungee did with their own game I don't want them anywhere near Halo

[drifting geode]

yeah their own games

[ruby lake]

them working on them games beyond reach?

[drifting geode]

theyre trash

[ruby lake]

and what theyre doing with destiny rn??

[livid fable]

oof

[ruby lake]

please.

[drifting geode]

destiny is pay to win af

[livid fable]

I don't play destiny so I can't comment on that

[proud cliff]

I think that’s just an inherent consequence of the times and current gaming culture

[drifting geode]

i have a friend who plays it

[onyx latch]

The greatest trick Bungie ever pulled was whatever deal with the devil they made to make people think their work with Halo was infallible.

[signal ivy]

bungie has like what 2 or 3 OG people left? not even the same company anymore

[grim citrus]

The bar was low for fps genes with a story

Back in 2000

[analog salmon]

Presumably all the devs had a steak in bungie and are pretty well of now tbf

[signal ivy]

medium rare?

[analog salmon]

Steaktacular 😎

[drifting geode]

medium rare is the best

[livid fable]

Halo 1 to Halo 2 felt like a continuation of the same game, but Halo 3 felt like a different genre. I don't think it was intentional, either.

[analog salmon]

I feel like halo 3 is halo 2 act 2 but co op focused

[onyx latch]

... Swap around one game and I'd agree.

[polar lynx]

halo

[livid fable]

you feel like Halo 3 was a continuation of Halo ce?

[grim citrus]

Each OT halo games plays and feels different

[drifting geode]

honestly i was shocked halo 2's graphics were so good because at that time time they shouldnt supposed to be.....butt thenn i clicked alt and it went to the actual halo 2

and i realised

[analog salmon]

It was even more beautiful

[onyx latch]

No, 2 and 3 feel pretty much the same to me, with CE being the standout due to having a lot more specific elements not shared by its offspring.

[drifting geode]

every halo is a continuation of another halo

i think

[livid fable]

do you mean gameplay or story here?

[analog salmon]

Every halo is a halo game

[onyx latch]

Yes in all respects.

[analog salmon]

I know crazy revelation

[livid fable]

bring back Spartan assault

[analog salmon]

Halo can only be topped by halo amirite lads

[livid fable]

I don't know. I just feel like Halo 2 was more action focused and full of awesome moments, but Halo 3... I can't really think of the awesome moments in Halo 3. I remember the end of game warthog run.

[polar lynx]

an epic space saga of epic porportions cybernetically bioengineered to be the perfect weapon. a romance odyssey between man and machine

[grim citrus]

Romance?

[polar lynx]

romance undertones to say the least

[livid fable]

I remember the big ship touching down on the ark blowing everything away as it came in for a landing

[ruby lake]

ew

i dont like romance

[polar lynx]

then cortana died and everything was ruined

[grim citrus]

Chief and Cortana shared romantic moments?

[livid fable]

neither did the Greeks but they got along

[onyx latch]

Oh for god's sake

[ruby lake]

i hate the greeks

[polar lynx]

if not romantic than vulnerable moments in halo 4

[ruby lake]

but i love the romans

[grim citrus]

Chief and Cortana was more like mother and son

[drifting geode]

wtf? when

[grim citrus]

Not lovers

[polar lynx]

ew dude dont do that

[drifting geode]

i know cortana was being flirty at times but when were they being romantic

[polar lynx]

your talking about halsey and chief

[livid fable]

or big sister little brother

[grim citrus]

Cortana is Halsey

[onyx latch]

I mean, he's not wrong. Cortana took a lot of Halsey's traits in the scanning.

And Halsey creeped after Chief more than once before ignoring it.

[polar lynx]

cortana is halseys mind made into cortana but they are very different

[livid fable]

halsey model neural architecture

[onyx latch]

Not that different.

[grim citrus]

No it isn’t?

[polar lynx]

you cant tell me halo 4 didnt hint at it

[livid fable]

erm