halo-discussion

[celest heron]

You can set your dvr to 5 minute records if you're on console.

[woeful wigeon]

I think you think wrong

[uneven bison]

Ok then why is it rigged?

Have you only ever played carnival games or something?

[fallow crow]

Ohh I get the worst ranked teamates :/

[wild quail]

same

i think the matchmaking in ranked is just stupid

like im d5 and im getting gold 3s in my game going like 2-21

other team is like a squad of onyx how tf do i avoid this...

[quasi finch]

I keep getting oddball matches in ranked

Lol

4 matches in and they were all oddball

[fallow crow]

been grinding swat ranked, got too D5 and dropped back down to D1 because I just get bad teammates, I too my best to carry :/

[wild quail]

why tf am i getting ranked games where u spawn as a 3v4

[crystal iron]

till when ranked tactical slayer up?

anyone know?

[crystal iron]

play with a squad man

[wild quail]

its hard when no one plays the game 😭

[woeful wigeon]

It's rigged because you can't play out of your CSR. You're essentially trapped into your initial placement, which is usually a crapshoot. This is because the skill rank you matchmake with (MMR) is different than CSR. What happens is anytime your MMR exceeds the average MMR for your current CSR, matchmaking forces you to play with people with a lower than average MMR on your team to balance things out because some manager at Microsoft said every match needs to be as close to a 50/50 chance of winning as possible so they created something that can predict at 62% (as if that is good enough🤦). This is the rigged part. It tries really hard to keep you trapped. Instead of recognizing that you should be at a higher CSR and putting you in a position to get there quickly, it keeps you down. This is the plague of the TrueSkill 2 / TrueMatch system. A harebrained idea cooked up as an attempt to solve business objectives that ended up ruining the fairness / playability of the system.

[crystal iron]

Oh so that's why I literally get into lobbies where my enemy team are onyx, and I have 1 or 2 goofy newbies that still use the 1 banner lol

[white birch]

Applies to social too. Literally every BTB game Im in is half grinding tryhards and half people with blue 1s.

[crystal iron]

why did they choose this system tho? It's so annoyin

@wild quail u play on EU servers?

[wild quail]

Na :)

[crystal iron]

aw, thought maybe we could try

since im diamond too

[merry mural]

I'm on PC. I was fully able to record the whole match but I decided on using theater for evidence. I didn't know H2 and HCE didn't have theater combatibility though so I stopped recording like an idiot lol.

[native fog]

When is the tenrai event gonna continue?

[dusk whale]

the next tenrai event (tenrai III) will be sep19-oct3 if i understand correctly. But that will be a new event pass, so not a continuation. The Tenrai II event is closed now.

[native fog]

Wait, so that would mean that helmet must come from the tenrai III event?

[dusk whale]

what helmet?

[woeful wigeon]

Yeah, and to make things worse MMR is flawed. It can only predict the winner like 60-64% of the time (I don't recall the exact number but it was in the TS2 / TM paper using Halo 5). Because there is so much room for error (the authors and their lackeys always try to hand wave this away), you always end up with a large percentage of the population getting screwed.

[stone star]

man, I didn't think I would but I miss Halo 5

[grave ether]

Just putting this out there, but don't you think that you should have a 50/50 chance of winning a match you're put in?

[woeful wigeon]

Not if the teams aren't balanced in a narrow range using strictly CSR only. None of those things are true with TS2 / TM.

[grave ether]

Wasn't there supposed to be an update a while back that made ranked based off of CSR instead of MMR?

[stone star]

it may be a 50/50 chance overall for the team to win if everyone is playing at their most capable, but if you for instance are much more capable than your teammates then really the win comes down to your average input

[woeful wigeon]

It's not. They mislead us

[grave ether]

Mislead seems like a strong word there but ok

[woeful wigeon]

It still uses MMR

[stone star]

I don't play ranked so I wouldn't know

[grave ether]

As the initial base I think

[stone star]

ngl, I miss the chaotic randomness of no balanced casual games

like the days when I would jump into a TF2 lobby and the other team is just filled with people who run circles around me

was it fair? absolutely not but I mean if I was there to care about winning I wouldn't have jumped into casual

the game never dictated who you went up against it was just chance whether the opponent was better or worse than you

[slim flint]

some guy in a match I was in today somehow managed to win a 4v2 where his teammate was constantly dying

[stone star]

actually now that I think about it I think the changes to casual games in video games came about over more emphasis on winning than it was about making the game fair

making the game fair was just a product on the emphasis of winning even if it is casual

there's a lot more grandeur over winning in casual games within the past decade compared to before

like how in Infinite the announcer tells you how much time is left, the music amps up toward the end to build tension, the score is flashed on the screen and the winning team is shown posing before it cuts back to the menu

[woeful wigeon]

and the fact that there are so many crashes, lag outs and rage quitters makes it that much harder to rank up when searching solo in this system. at least when that happened in traditional ranked matchmaking you had a chance to rank back up because you were brought down to a place where you'll more easily win. with MMR based you can have that happen and still get terrible teammates forced on you, digging the hole even deeper.

[stone star]

the presentation of it all kinda feels outta place for casual

Halo 5 had the same stuff

[woeful wigeon]

If "as the initial base" you mean it is still used every match to balance teams and is still used to matchmake then yeah.

[celest heron]

they talk about it in this blog.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/playlists-ranked-matchmaking-season-3

[woeful wigeon]

Yes, they still use MMR in placement and also still use it to balance teams. It's smoke and mirrors. They should be using CSR every time. CSR matchmaking can only make the system better if teams are balanced using it.

[fallow crow]

i aint got no friends lol , they all offline 😦

[celest heron]

for placements, using mmr is fine cause people don't see their rank anyway. CSR isn't as accurate for matching which is why mmr was used. I guess too many people got confused though cause they can't see what the actual matchmaker is doing for balancing (mmr), so using a visual rank is easier to comprehend.

[woeful wigeon]

"CSR isn't as accurate for matching" I'm gonna let you reflect on that statement for a second and get back to me. Please expand on how anything could possibly be more accurate than the rank itself in a game of wins and losses.

[celest heron]

cause csr can be greatly different than your mmr rating.

in H5, Menke said in some cases there could be a 1000 point difference between the two.

[woeful wigeon]

I don't know how anyone could not come to the conclusion that MMR is wrong in that case

[celest heron]

cause mmr was the correct rating and the csr was wrong.

[woeful wigeon]

Haha ok, good one

[celest heron]

I'm literally referring to the person who made the H5 ranking system.

[woeful wigeon]

And I'm telling you he is naive or trying to handwave the real reason why they implemented it this way.

[celest heron]

are you saying you know more than the person who had all the data and studied it on a daily basis?

[woeful wigeon]

I'm saying I know I'm right about what I'm saying. Make conclusions about other people as you see fit.

[celest heron]

well he was very transparent and explained all the factors that went into a match which was more than just csr/mmr although those were the main things, so I would believe him over someone without the actual data. I'll also add that he doesn't work there anymore. I don't think 343 is trying to be deceitful in Infinite, but I do think there are probly issues regaring the ranking which caused this change.

[grave ether]

The only one that seems naive is the one that makes assumptions based on incomplete data from the outside and has never actually seen the system and data they are commenting on, yet are making definitive statements about said system as if they are complete facts.

[crystal iron]

Halo 2 is halo at its peak. Facts or nah?

Also the soundtrack

It's just too good

[celest heron]

I think a lot of people would say H3

[woeful wigeon]

I don't need to see all of the data to know what I'm saying is correct. I would only need that to know how to improve MMR. They published enough in the TrueSkill 2 paper. The whole issue is that they think MMR being a better predictor of wins and losses means it is "better". It doesn't, quite the opposite. The reason CSR only predicted wins and losses correct 57% of the time means it is better in that it is closer to a coin flip. How they interpreted that predictor comparison so backwards and no one has questioned it is baffling to me. The 7% difference can be seen as the natural progression of people moving up and out of their ranks or moving down because playing poorly or maybe just good/bad luck. The positive delta of MMR to CSR W/L predictor value represents how much worse MMR is at settling people into the right place.

[vernal swift]

Why do the halo 4 marines look so different compared to the others

[grim citrus]

Peak of success? That was halo 3. Peak of quality? Hell no

[celest heron]

idk, possibly cause it was 343's first game and they wanted to not be a carbon copy of bungie.

[slim flint]

depends on what part of halo you’re talking about

[dusk whale]

i think the biggest issue is that 343 thinks skill is distributed in a clock-form (most people being in the middle and lower and higher skilled are the least amount). However, that is not how skill is actually distributed. In reality most people are lower skilled. This makes it so the game actually thinks the skill difference between someone who is on the 50% percentile (meaning the player where 50% of the players are below him and 50% are above him) to the 25%-player (meaning 25% is below him and 75% is above him) is just as big as the difference in skill towards the 75%-percentile player. In reality that is not the case and the 50-percentile player is way closer in skill to the 25-percentile player then the 75-percentile player. In other words: the difference is skill between the lower half of the playerbase is in reality smaller then the game thinks and the skill difference between the upper half of the playerbase is in reality bigger then the game thinks.

This makes it that in ranked (where there is a strict SBMM( especially in the higher skilled segment the matches are a bit more uneven then the game realises. In social (where there is almost no SBMM) this is a huge problem, because it matches for instance a 25-percentile and 75-percentile player with each other against two 50-percentile players thinking that it is evenly matches, while in reality it is very lopsided, because the 25+75-percentile player have a much higher total skill then the two 50's. This is why almost every match in social is very to extremely lopsided and especially averagely skilled players are almost always on the losing side of those matches. It's simply because the MMR is badly calculated and forced into a clockform while the players are not distributed like that.

[woeful wigeon]

Accounting for the distribution better (if they aren't already doing this) could improve MMR based matchmaking, but there can still be nothing better than CSR so in ranked I wish they would just use that to both balance teams and matchmake every game.

[crystal iron]

Ik man but the nostalgia 😩

Just I remember the sfx in halo 2 all too vividly. It was like anything other.

Bungie halos man. They just age like a fine wine

Halo 2 has such a vibe to it that I can't describe

It's like. A classic 90s film that you're all too familiar with. A film that you have watched since you were a toddler. It's like, home in a sense

[celest heron]

I still remember the first time I boarded a Ghost on Zanzibar. I was in awe

[grim citrus]

Idk about aging like fine wine, but to each’s own

[celest heron]

the tan color palette aged like milk

[grim citrus]

The more I read the EU, the more I questioned why bungie made the campaigns so barebones when it came to fleshing out characters

[crystal iron]

Yeah. Some sections in the original halo 2 campaign. Oof

Halo 2 really does feel like a original xbox game

Also. How the hell does half life 2 look soo dang good for a 2004 game. What the frick??

It makes halo 2 look like a n64 game 💀

[stone star]

because Bungie still operated off the old school development mentality of fun first story second

like that famous John Carmack quote of story in a game being like story in an adult film, you expect it to be there but it's not the main focus

at least that's my theory

then again, Halo was more narrative focused than other shooter games at the time

I guess it was kinda that middle ground of having more narrative than none but not that much as to go as far as giving a lot of character development

[tepid latch]

Definitely a nostalgia thing, I totally get it, especially when people describe it to me, but grew up playing H3 to H4 in my early childhood and to me every time i hear that H4 BR or just see those Weapon Reveal trailers for that game i feel that same way you're describing

[grim citrus]

Not true. I can list the games that came out that had a narrative.

007: Agent Under Fire
007: Nightfall
MoH: Frontline & Allied Assault
Metroid Prime 1 & 2
Deus Ex
Half Life 1 & 2
Chronicles of Riddick 1 & 2
Black
Cod 2

All had a good balance between good narrative while having solid gameplay

Halo had 3 games where they barely explored majority of the characters in the game.

[crystal iron]

Damn I feel old 💀. I was more nostalgic for halo 2 and reach.

[stone star]

yeah a narrative

[tepid latch]

Loved playing reach a ton! Infection in that game was where I had my first XBL beef with some random i accidentally killed :P

[stone star]

gimmie a list of those games that live up to your statement of fleshing out characters

[crystal iron]

Oh man how long ago was that 😂 that must feel very nostalgic to you now

[stone star]

I never said games before Halo had no narrative, in my head I was comparing it to the likes of Quake

Half-Life is probably the biggest inspiration for Halo having a narrative iirc

[crystal iron]

Halo is inspired by half life that came out 3 years before

[stone star]

yeah, which is why I pointed it out

[tepid latch]

Lol I was like 11 or 12 I think, im 23 now I grew up with these games with Halo 4 being the first one i was invested in from the first reveal and even preordered the Collectors Ed

[grim citrus]

A good narrative

[crystal iron]

Wow you're 23!?!?!?! Myself is nostalgic for games like doom eternal and I'm only 19!!

[tepid latch]

bruh O_O

[crystal iron]

Doom eternal is also a game that I'm heavily nostalgic for

It takes me wayy back to when I was young

The main menu music gets me in the feels 😭

[tepid latch]

Never gotten around to playing it, really wanna play doom and doom eternal, just need to finish the million other games on my list

[stone star]

the fact that people are nostalgic for Eternal makes me feel old

that game only came out 4 years ago

not even, 3 and a half

March 2020

[grim citrus]

Halo is inspired by ring world

[stone star]

Halo is inspired by a lot of things tbh

there's inspiration from Aliens in there as well

[grim citrus]

But what I’m telling you in those games, they gave you some character context to the people you are either using or interacting with

Halo relied too much on the “cool factor”

[stone star]

so the only games from that list I've played are Half Life 1&2 and CoD 2

and uh, HL 1 gave about as much context to Gordon Freeman as Halo did to Master Chief

[grim citrus]

And what about the supporting cast. The protagonist being silent was deliberate

[stone star]

HL2 is when the supporting cast comes into it

HL1 doesn't have one really

just a bunch of random scientists

and CoD 2 was 2005

[grim citrus]

2001-2007 is the timeline I’m using

I’m not just talking about 01

[stone star]

and we all know Halo 3 is really just Halo 2's canned third act

and it relies on the stuff Halo 2 set up to carry it

[grim citrus]

And in 3 games, I learn little to nothing about any of the people

Hell, they don’t even mention chief’s real name until the 3rd

[stone star]

could also be attributed to the inspiration from action movies that put less focus on narrative

[grim citrus]

Im pretty sure that is the case. Which I have no problem with

My issue is when people say that the original games had so much character development and rich lore to them.

[stone star]

they usually just say that because of Arbiter in Halo 2

[grim citrus]

Even with arbiter, they could’ve explored so much more with his character

But instead they demoted him to a sidekick

[crystal iron]

when do u usually play

[lusty wraith]

Deleted my comment because it isn’t worth it

[crystal iron]

anyone know till when ranked tactical remains

[tepid latch]

Does the Waypoint blog say when? i thought it should

[tepid latch]

Ranked Tactical Leaves Sep 12 https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us/articles/17920041655188-Halo-Infinite-Multiplayer-Playlists

[onyx latch]

The guy's smart as hell, but that quote's stupidly subjective and doesn't really apply to games where part of the actual fun is the story.

I don't think anything's been more disastrous to the human collective mindset than smart people quipping about their opinions dressed as facts.

Aside from all the other problems, of course.

[tepid latch]

I just realized the Quantam Translocator and Threat Seeker arent in Fiesta 👀

where should i go to report that? because those should be there

given its all random weapons and abilities

[magic night]

The Quantum Translocator is a power equipment, so it wouldn't be there. The Threat Seeker is valid, though.

I wouldn't say its a bug, so not worth a support ticket, but you could probably create a thread for it in #1039633978841374720

[crystal iron]

Appreciate you my boy

[crystal iron]

It definitely should be there. Super Fiesta + Quantum Translocator? OHH YEAH BABY

[magic night]

Super fiesta doesn't feature power equipment like the overhshield or active camo, so by those rules, the quantum translcoator wouldn't be there.

[slim flint]

it should

[crystal iron]

Oh I get what ur saying. But quantum translocator still build diff

[old sorrel]

best game mode for weekly stick challenge?

[slim flint]

Dredge has spike grenades at the bottom right next to the teleporter

on team slayer

[wanton root]

ninja slayer, don't know if that's in this week's rotation though

[analog salmon]

is swat with bandits new

might actually play swat again

BR and sidekick starts will be interesting ig

in team slayer that is

AR+sidekick starts basically getting removed from team slayer is great to see

nevermind i cant read

so its removed on Catalyst, Argyle and Detachment

[crystal iron]

That’s interesting

[analog salmon]

its a start but cliffhanger is the most broken map with AR+sidekick starts

honestly team slayer is just gonna be my go to playlist at this point. As much as I dislike Argyle and Detachment, with BR starts always it wont be so bad. And getting to play the launch maps is worth dealing with those two maps

i think cliffhanger AR+sidekick starts will be my biggest gripe

[brave spruce]

Do y'all think halo infinite will ever get firefight

[tulip tusk]

ye

[white birch]

Didnt they say the Seeker would be comp only?

[onyx latch]

It shows up in Infection.

[devout kite]

343 needs to stop putting me in games in progress and giving me bad teammates

[ruby lake]

skill based matchmaking!!✨✨✨

[devout kite]

I hate having to hold my teammates hands and carry them

[serene furnace]

Maybe you are as bad as your teammates

[dusk whale]

yes, the game definitely needs that. It's clearly not there seen how big the skill gaps within matches are. Almost nobody enjoys that.

[toxic parrot]

Eh not really possible. I average about 10-15 kills each game depending on the mode and my teammates sometimes get not even 3 kills. The game intentionally gives you bad teammates because it expects you to carry

That is if you win most of your matches or at least get MVP for your team

[serene furnace]

10-15 kills is an average skilled player

[toxic parrot]

If that's the case then most average skilled players would be getting that amount of kills. Sometimes players don't even get a kill,sometimes players end up leaving at the beginning. I even have a game bookmarked where I got 43 kills out of the 50 kills in slayer and there weren't even bots. You intentionally get bad teammates but you're at the mercy of the game on whether you get average opponents or very competitive opponents who play in stacked teams

[serene furnace]

And the enemy teams also gets bad teammates right?

[toxic parrot]

Not always. It depends on the mode. Ffa obviously is going to be mixed with great,average and bad players. Tactical and regular slayer usually have more competitive players, at least from my experience. Fiesta,quick play and btb have mostly chill,non competitive players

And squad battle not too sure since I don't really play it much

[tame crane]

Is there a way to set vehicle spawns as pelican drops in forge like on the matchmaking maps?

[thin elm]

carries roles are def assigned

thats a facttt

[toxic parrot]

Exactly. It's pretty annoying and I don't understand why they think it's ok

[serene furnace]

You can script a Pelican to come flying and drop a vehicle, but it requires a level of programming that I don't understand

[karmic oriole]

So what am I supposed to do when I've lost 7 team slayer games in a row

I've had 19-22 kills each game but I've lost every single game

On 8th rn let's see what happens

Another loss, 18 kills

Lost 49-50 with 20 kills

[tepid latch]

Oh true, i forget since i just see it as equipment, tbh id love to see invis and Os come into super fiesta i think that'd make it more interesting too!

[analog salmon]

rookie numbers, i lost slayer with 39 kills

[karmic oriole]

Switched to rumble pit instantly won a game 25 kills

[analog salmon]

imo 343 just need to address the games players are getting over 25 kills and losing

i actually think the games where you have 2 similarly skilled players and 2 much lower skill players are fine

[rotund solar]

We're searching btb on h5, come join plz

[analog salmon]

i would but i cant rn, good luck brother

[dusk whale]

yeah, this game lacks both SBMM and functioning team balancing in socials 😦

[wild quail]

how tf do i win when i get two leavers in the first two minutes of a comp game

[analog salmon]

you dont

[dusk whale]

i'll have to agree with Recon, unless you somehow pull off a miracle

[wild quail]

its so annoying

[analog salmon]

if its not slayer then generally the other team wont even shoot at you

[wild quail]

like rank up game right into three games back to back of 3v4

[wild quail]

comp tac slayer 😭

[analog salmon]

rip

[wild quail]

im stuck in dia

[analog salmon]

tbh you might be able to win

[wild quail]

im getting gold teamates

[analog salmon]

in swat i would keep trying

team play aint nearly as necessary

[dusk whale]

oh tac slayer, well, if it's the 2 worst players quitting, it can actually help sometimes.

[analog salmon]

yah lol

[wild quail]

yeah

but at the same time high level players will play angles correctly

clearing 4 angles at the same time is very difficult

[analog salmon]

just bait them

[wild quail]

i try not to

[wild quail]

I jsut get all the good people leaving

[analog salmon]

that's why i dont play swat though, at a high level you have no reason to play aggressive

[wild quail]

its alot of angle holding you need a team to be agro

[dusk whale]

tac slayer is the only gamemode where being a player short is not a negative and can often even be a positive (since they have to go look way more, so they might lose some readiness

[dusk whale]

thats a shame

[wild quail]

Yeah man im getting like 1/5 rankes player while im facing a squad of onyx 1500

[slim flint]

be insanely good at the game

[wild quail]

i cant

[solar night]

Just started playin halo. On halo 2 rn. It’s super vexing sometimes. Just getting killed super quick. A single elite melee kills the arbiter

[serene furnace]

Yep

Halo 2 had a very rushed development time and difficulty was not properly calibrated

So Halo 2 is brutally difficult in Heroic and Legendary and far too easy in Easy and Normal as a result

[solar night]

I’m only playing on normal

Maybe it’s just skill issue

[serene furnace]

Stick to the noob combo, it comes in handy

[solar night]

What’s the moon combo

Noob

[tulip tusk]

plasma pistol charged up to deplete shields (and stagger elite if i remember) + a headshot weapon is the noob combo way vs elites 🙂

[solar night]

I’m on brutes rn

[tulip tusk]

can i play with u i like halo 2

i dont have mic though

[solar night]

I’m gonna finish all the halos solo

[tulip tusk]

oki well for brutes theyre just tanky in halo 2 so can try headshots or grenades first

[serene furnace]

Brutes in Halo 2 are weak, a couple headshots will kill them as well as grenade sticks and needler supercombines
Every other method tho, they become bullet sponges

[analog salmon]

i dont recall halo 2 on normal being easier then any other game

maybe easier then CE but definitely not 3 or ODST

[wet zodiac]

h5 forge an1 pc

[thin elm]

On LASO

[crystal iron]

Literally me

[ivory glacier]

Has anyone been noticing sometimes the enemy gets the melee trade off without any damage being done to you? Been happening the last few weeks here and there

Doesn’t happen for me. I don’t get the trade off unless I land my shots first

[dusk whale]

yes. In fact i have even seen it when i already shot the enemies shields down and i was still full shield and we traded a melee and i die and the enemy survives....

[ivory glacier]

It’s not just me then. I guess I feel a little better

[dusk whale]

i have to say it happens less then in S1 and S2, but it still happens from time to time.

[ivory glacier]

I remember melees just not registering a lot in S1 and 2 and still occasionally now but this is somewhat new with the enemy getting the trade off without inflicting any damage

[upbeat cape]

MCC on PC, and sitting here waiting to see if anyone is doing competitive. I have no idea who is actually playing what. Anyone have a clue what people are doing competative wise?

[crystal iron]

How is the Halo Discord doing... insane video that Playerbase is Increasing... Very exciting news.

[upbeat cape]

Sitting here in queue, to a game mode I'm not even sure people are playing.

[crystal iron]

I meant to say Halo Infinites Playerbase might have had a Spike. Key thing is though can they maintain it.

[glacial tartan]

H3 Team Slayer / doubles or CE doubles. Those you can find games.

[noble urchin]

this weeks ultimate challenge in Infinite is probably the worst one they've ever put out

[supple moat]

Why? First time I think they have had one like that in a while…

[jolly lion]

Is ranked SWAT on infinite full of win traders or what?

Played my placement matches tonight and have been in mid-diamond but seems like every other game there's a player on one team who goes 3-15 or something similar

Had an 0-17 in my last game

[lusty wraith]

Ranked SWAT in Infinite has been pretty bad from my experience. Very common for massive discrepancies in team K/Ds as you mentioned, and I’ve had many cases of wall-hacking users as well, it is what it is

Some MnK players are crazy good too along with AA on mouse, and there are many good MnK SWATers

[coarse dagger]

@fervent trench Feel free to drop that video into #1076327824924872755 - it will embed there

[junior jasper]

I really hate that on the halo ce OST playlist on Spotify, covenant dance is right next to all three flood themes

[noble urchin]

is it possible to increase look sens while using warthog turret in Infinite? it's wayyyy to slow for me but i couldnt figure out how to speed it up

[crystal iron]

Halo 2 was biggest disappointment?

I always liked Halo 2's story mode but why was it such a disappointment

[analog salmon]

tells half a story ig. if it wasnt for the arbiter part it would be a very short game

which is all really just setup for halo 3

2 is good case of being better in retrospect due to how the sequel adds to it

[ruby knoll]

for me i like the story but the gameplay? pain

[onyx latch]

Halo 2 was a disappointment at the time because its advertising material presented a different game focus and a focus on the larger battle on Earth, something that Halo 3 had a mediocre followup on (You fight in generic not-quite-savannah and jungle. Different environments, sure, but not exactly thrilling).

It ended with a massive cliffhanger.

And people didn't like Arbiter's half of the game because it was a position 'nobody was asking for' and 'added nothing to the game' at best.

Almost every negative story choice in 3 can be tied to fan reception or dev response to Halo 2's release; The burnout, the negativity, et cetera.

Sounds a little familiar, doesn't it.

[crystal iron]

"Halo 2 was disappointed because advertising material" Now I get it btw I think mods improve the game I don't know why probably without mods it would suck

[onyx latch]

There's other factors that have nothing to do with the advertising.

At launch, though, that was a big one.

[crystal iron]

Well I don't understand advertising but thanks for that answer 🙂

I played halo 2 because of Halo MCC

I will agree with you that yes Halo 2 has a short Story mode

[celest heron]

I don't even remember the h2 ads. Don't think I followed the criticisms either besides h2sucks.com cause I enjoyed the entire game.

[crystal iron]

H2sucks.com?

[onyx latch]

"We hate X Halo game so much we made a website about how much we hated it"

I still wish I bought one of their t-shirts.

[crystal iron]

But what is this site about?

[onyx latch]

I don't even really hate Halo 2 so much as think it's horribly overrated nowadays.

[onyx latch]

I literally just told you.

[crystal iron]

Isn’t it literally in the name?

[onyx latch]

^

Really not a challenging concept to grasp.

[crystal iron]

I think Halo 3 odst is underrated

[crystal iron]

Seriously got a shirt on it 😂

[onyx latch]

Yep.

Mid 2000's were a wild time.

[crystal iron]

Our

?

[crystal iron]

I had no idea this exists

It's really funny I wanted to make a t-shirt saying "343 sucks"

Who wants to team up in multiplayer?

[onyx latch]

Ew.

[crystal iron]

Mean 343 industries

[onyx latch]

Yes, I know what you meant, that's why I'm saying ew.

[crystal iron]

Yes

[lime robin]

Not sure if Commander Kolby would be comfortable wearing this

[crystal iron]

Not Spartan is so looks like Kinght

[ruby knoll]

NGL i dig the contrast

[ivory glacier]

When are they gonna ease up with dredge? I swear it’s gotta be 80% probability

[dusk whale]

yes it's annoying. But not as annoying as the complete lack of SBMM and team balancing. Today i quit playing early (wanted to finish my challanges, but didn't) because i was sick and tired of the one sided BS matches with enormous skill gaps in it. It's the 2 most basic things a shooter needs and halo has 0 out of 2!

[solar night]

I hate the flood with every bone in my body

[dusk whale]

well, if they kill you, they will be in every body of your body 😛

[solar night]

😝🔫

[dusk whale]

that doesn't solve you're problem, it will create it 😛

[dusk osprey]

Hey everyone, I have a question for all you scripters-- In Halo Infinite's Forge, I know it's possible to script moving objects and on/off switches. In Race mode you have checkpoints to get to.

There is a mode in Star Wars Battlefront 2015 called extraction, where the rebels have to get the payload moving and defend it as it slowly moves on its own through the level to a finish line before time runs out.
And the Imperials do everything they can to keep it from traveling to its destination. Every time a check point is reached, the time goes up.

So my question to you is, do you think it's possible to script an object to move through a level in the same way it does in Star Wars Extraction, reaching check points like in race, adding time? Is it possible to script one team winning when the time runs out?

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.

[serene furnace]

Which gamemode/map comes with tomorrow's event?

[low musk]

Not entirely sure if it was explicitly stated

[robust drum]

Saw someone make a custom HEV Half Life coating for a Hazmat themed image set. We seriously need it in game.

[faint pilot]

Day, like, 300 of me waiting for them to bring back the Kerberos helm and Jackknife chest...

[lime robin]

Event items ain't coming bad bud

That's why it's an event

[faint pilot]

Gives me conniptions...

[grim citrus]

Halo 5 trending on Twitter is always a W

[fallow crow]

play ranked swat til we rage quit? :>)

[crystal iron]

Bro infinite is so broken

Crashed 5x in the span of 15 min

And the servers are kinda laggy

[onyx latch]

Weird, I've never had more than one crash a week at the worst of times and usually don't even lag to a noticeable degree.

[ruby knoll]

infinite is truly the most mysteriously inconsistent game i've encountered

like the whole thing with the steam and winstore versions having supposedly different stability is so weird to me. It should be mostly the same

ok well i mean it's certainly possible but like it should be largely the same

[onyx latch]

I had more issues with the xbox app version flipping out because the xbox app is a miserable wreck of a system when it comes to updates than I ever did with the steam version, but the steam version doesn't justify my Xbox Game Pass.

[radiant peak]

I just came back and haven't had any issues with disconnects. Not anything like it was in S1

[faint pilot]

I used the steam version at first and it held together much better for me than the xbox app. I still use the xbox app version because Steam wont let me play the campaign.

[lusty wraith]

Who says? I remember Uny or someone asking people for feedback on what would be the best way to have those items return

[lime robin]

Until then, there's no confirmation of them returning, only hopes.

[faint pilot]

kerberos alone has to be one of, if not the most famous helmet in the game. There's no reason for them not to bring it back. Aren't they bringing back the Yoroi event?

[low musk]

Even the new Yoroi event didn't bring back events from the last time that Fracture season happened

[lusty wraith]

Personally like that event passes themselves don’t repeat. Old event items should come back as earnable rewards in a different way

[faint pilot]

Yes, they should. Vaulting items for the sake of fomo is just a shot in the foot.

[low musk]

While I agree since it goes hand in hand with the weekly rewards being very time sensitive, we are at the mercy of the design in place that 343 set up. I'm hoping we have a system where players can earn a token every week by beating a weekly challenge, so not only can people earn that week's reward, but they can get something they can redeem for an item they missed out on. It would completely remove the FOMO, and incentivize continued play, even for weeks where there are rewards they don't want in a given week

[lusty wraith]

Agree with all the ideas here, but I also think we can be optimistic about the implementation by 343i here as well, especially since there was feedback requested specifically for this. Turn around from feedback to implementation is long yea, but hope it will actually happen

[crystal iron]

Its not disconnecting, it's the lag. It's atrocious unless I am connected to an official one in my region. Anywhere else and I lag like crazy

[smoky socket]

Whats the difference between Escalation and Escalation Core?

[serene furnace]

If I'm not mistaken

Escalation Core only has the weapons that were at launch and without campaign variants

[rugged quartz]

Commander Ken! From Mattel!

[tame crane]

Is anyone having issues with the Temfor bundle? If you have the BioFoam Legendary Stance it won't let you buy the bundle

[rugged quartz]

Yes! They are aware of it

[eternal lion]

So news on the event ?

[lime robin]

New mode

New items

[eternal lion]

What's the mode ?

[lime robin]

Husky Raid, it's right there.

[tame crane]

Ok thank god 🙏

Do we have any idea if they will be fixing the adrenal bundle since it is having the same issue as this bundle and the Dragonborn bundle that was having issues?

[eternal lion]

Yes, but what is the mode? Husky Raid is just a name of the selection

[tame crane]

ctf down a generally straight hallway ish

[eternal lion]

Thx you both.
Not really a new mode then. Better then nothing I guess

[tame crane]

Of course! Yea its a mode that was in h4 and h5 that was a largely common and favorited mode for players

[young glen]

It's one of the better social / party modes to be honest.

Glad to see it finally here.

[eternal lion]

k, thx for the info. I didn't play any Halo multiplayer game before HINF

[spice trellis]

my game crashes around once daily

i just got my pc how can i fix this?

[crystal iron]

Is there a new season of Halo Infinite?

[spice trellis]

still s4

[crystal iron]

Oh

Ok

[devout kite]

343 needs to give me better teammates that can actually win and pull their weight

[inland wharf]

Anyone know if there's gonna be a new update to MCC soon

I see new Nameplates at the bottom of the Nameplates section

[soft spear]

me: heck yeah super excited for Husky Raid, one of the best H5 modes
also me: 343 plz don’t rotate this playlist out on Sept 12

[proud kettle]

Apparently respawns a broken in Husky Raid (perhaps on some maps only).

[vagrant phoenix]

Aye, but your sandbox goes from 90ish weapons with a lot of variety in Halo 5 to... 20ish basic weapons in Infinite.

Skinny Raid would be an apt name for the new mode.

[olive brook]

the halo 4 shotty kinda crazy

[soft spear]

I do miss The Answer for this mode but I’m hoping the Cindershot replaces it

[eternal lion]

The press kit link doesn't works :/

[compact stump]

Just had a game of husky raid on one of the hallway maps, after my team died the spawns broke so the enemy team just grabbed the flag as we couldn't spawn again.

[compact stump]

Yep. Second game was the hallway with the red carpet down the middle.

[crystal iron]

Are infinite severs broken or smth

[dusk whale]

what's going on with them then?

[crystal iron]

Game has a stroke when it tries to take me to the menu after it fails to connect to any custom game

Then it just locks me onto a fireteam that wont let me leave to do anything else game wise unless I alt+f4

[torpid nacelle]

Anyone hearing the rumors about halo story line being rebooted? I woke up to like 3-4 videos on yt talkin about it

[crystal iron]

And it proceeds to try and reconnect me and just does it all over again

[eternal lion]

Its just ytb and people talking nonsence

[crystal iron]

Cant even get into a game💀

Loading maps just wont even budge a %

[torpid nacelle]

Well I mean youtubers like UberNick, HiddenXperia have made good points. Now I never said I believed it.

[crystal iron]

8 years of total development, awesome work 343👏

[torpid nacelle]

You wanna know what I'd like to see for the next game story wise?

[eternal lion]

"good points" yeah whatever

[crystal iron]

What

[torpid nacelle]

Get ready its a long long essay lol

[eternal lion]

They must have run out of content to share

[crystal iron]

Im not reading then sorry

Attention span is a lil short

[torpid nacelle]

fine ill shorten it

[crystal iron]

They are so dried of any content they make videos over literal sentence certain people tweet

[torpid nacelle]

Ditch the semi open world stuff, bring back Blue team, Fire team and introduce red team to the story.

[crystal iron]

I honestly just want the MC and the Arbiter

Screw those 7 randos. Like nobody knows who they are

[eternal lion]

...

Lets just kill The Chief, its for the better. To stop opinion like those...

[crystal iron]

What

[onyx latch]

Kill him Kat-style

[crystal iron]

Didnt they make that needle a helmet accessory?💀

[onyx latch]

💀 I didn't even see this awful take

[dusk whale]

no, just let him slip over a towel and slide into a pool of lava

[onyx latch]

Chief died on his way back to his home planet

[torpid nacelle]

bruh wat.

[onyx latch]

Lematth has a point tbh.

[eternal lion]

yup.

[onyx latch]

Halo's no stranger to non-Chief protags and hyperfixating on him strongly limits storytelling.

[crystal iron]

So you actually enjoyed the 7 random spartans we should care about in 5? Buck was the only one I recognized from odst thats about it

[onyx latch]

My favorite Spartan is Tanaka, so... Yes. Absolutely.

[torpid nacelle]

Well yea that was cool as well. But Jerome is a cool character and Chief and him would team up. Like i said if you read the whole idea i had you'd agree

[onyx latch]

Because Spartan IVs are inherently more interesting to me than Child Soldier number 117.

[torpid nacelle]

Locke wasnt bad, Fred was cool. Buck is buck lol.

[eternal lion]

They are not random....

[crystal iron]

💀💀💀

[onyx latch]

They're only random if you suffer from comprehension issue

[dusk whale]

true, i think they could do a nice game about Johnson's storyline between CE and H2

[grim citrus]

So another 10 years of empty one liners followed by “were it so easy”

[eternal lion]

They are real character, or at least try to be. And not like Chief being an character from the 80'

[soft spear]

There are so many good stories in this universe that should get told in games at some point - that’s why I was bummed to hear that the DLC rumors were just dust (I’d buy the heck out of some good/new story Halo content)

[eternal lion]

There is already a book about that

[soft spear]

I love the Chief but there’s room for more than one super hero in this universe

[crystal iron]

But what good did they bring out? What made each character stand out? Look at how reach brought their team out. Each one was unique to how they acted, their skills, fighting style, everything

[grim citrus]

Lmao you used reach of all games as context?

[crystal iron]

Okay look at odst then

[grim citrus]

Lmao

[crystal iron]

I can actually remember their names unlike halo 5s💀

[torpid nacelle]

I would prefer an actual fully fledged game than DLC. Especially with how INFINITE was finished. Instead of delaying the game and tackling all the issues they just said here you go.

[grim citrus]

I’ll shoot. Tell me what you know of Romeo from ODST

[crystal iron]

I can already tell where this is gonna go

So Imma just not write

[eternal lion]

What does Chief/John bring out ? Nothing, he is not a great character. Its just a facade

[soft spear]

I think Infinite has a good foundation minus some bugs, but I’m pretty sure I’m in the minority for this 😂. I don’t care how it happens, just give me new & unique stories TBH

[torpid nacelle]

5's story wasnt the best we all know that. But the characters weren't bad. They had a reason to be there, Locke coulda been this other spartan that everyone liked if Chief explained to him that hey Im saving Cortana because shes my friend and I cant let her die. Or something. Locke woulda understood that and the development woulda been better throughout the game.

[grim citrus]

It’s incredible when people are asked to explain themselves about the og game’s characters, and then immediately regret what they said in the first place

[faint pilot]

fiesta ctf on smallhalla is actually pretty fun

[crystal iron]

I dont regret it lmao. I can already tell you were gonna say that too but oh well

[torpid nacelle]

I stopped playing because the gameplay is just not what it use to be. Doesn't feel like its fun or worth playing. Super janky and feels like im playing Reach minus all the additions even tho i despise its multiplayer and gameplay. I did like halo 5's multiplayer. Even if it was a super fast and had the abilties with ground pound and charge but I liked it.

[crystal iron]

Lost interest with you sorry

[grim citrus]

What was I going to say?

[torpid nacelle]

facts

[soft spear]

I like it a lot but I definitely felt like Halo 5 was peak movement

[grim citrus]

Really shows how well written the story was in the original games were in regards to character development. /s

[faint pilot]

black guy who got rocked by a chieftain. wheres my cookie?

[winged ridge]

Not to break up the interesting discussion and all, but playing Halo Infinite on Steam hasn’t been fun for me lately, mainly because there’s a noticeable delay between when I move my mouse and when my spartan looks around in-game

[crystal iron]

I like they added sprint as an option if you REALLY wanna go that tiny bit faster, but still very viable to get around but just running normally

[torpid nacelle]

frr! Im not gonna piss on your opinion if you like Infinite lol dont wanna change ur feel of the game. If you enjoy it, Im happy for ya.

[grim citrus]

Halo 5 is arguably the most complete halo game out there

[torpid nacelle]

out of the three 343 games

[crystal iron]

Bro💀💀💀

I aint even gonna comment

[winged ridge]

At launch? Hell no. As of now? It’s still not complete 😂

[grim citrus]

I’m including bungie games

[crystal iron]

Guess 5 is better than 2 and 3 by that logic💀💀

[grim citrus]

Why do people insist on using the “at launch argument”

[faint pilot]

Careful, Arbiter. What you say is heresy!

[winged ridge]

My mouse is wired, btw

[crystal iron]

Because games should be ready and running. Not a broken mess that infinite still is

[grim citrus]

Still waiting for your Romeo fact sheet, brother

[torpid nacelle]

Out of the 3 games 343 released, 5 succeeded being an actual game. Again infinite failed. Its true. Sure they are adding content. BUT THAT SHOULDA BEEN IN THE GAME. yes 5 didnt have that much but at least it wasnt broken.

[grim citrus]

The game was ready and running… lol

[crystal iron]

Nah your take that 5 is better than 2 and 3 is aorse

[grim citrus]

Tell me what 2 and 3 do that’s better than 5.

[torpid nacelle]

I'd have to disagree with you on that. I think halo 3 was the complete game out of the enitre franchise.

[crystal iron]

No co-op, servers were down continiously, BTB was left broken for a month straight over the holidays, there was only a russian roulette of 4 game modes.

[winged ridge]

Also, Halo Infinite broke the promise of split screen (which they said was a guarantee literally when the game was confirmed to be a thing)

[crystal iron]

You really wanna defend its launch?💀

I got more bro

Infinite is much better now dont get me wrong

[winged ridge]

Forge was missing, Theatre was broken, the Campaign is the worst in the franchise

[grim citrus]

I’m sure you do. It’s right next to your Romeo knowledge pile

[torpid nacelle]

true that was Bonnie Rosses fault.

[crystal iron]

But look at the dip of the game once beta was over. From 250K players to a couple 10K max in WEEKS

[crystal iron]

💀

Bro really wants me to speak for romeo when he made the take 5 is better than the trilogy

Let that sink in

[winged ridge]

In all honesty, Halo 4 and MCC were the only 343 I had the most fun with

[grim citrus]

Outside of campaign, what other PVE options did it have? Was there a server browser for customs?

[faint pilot]

If you end up in the store full of microtransactions youve gone too far.

[crystal iron]

Halo 4 was pretty solid gameplay wise. Very cod like but felt somewhat halo to the core

[grim citrus]

Could earn cosmetics by simply playing the game.

[torpid nacelle]

If Halo wasnts to come back to being the game it once was, merging of the best elements from Halo 3 and 5, while moving away from the semi-open world approach attempted in Halo Infinite.

here's why: In both of those games, we had the opportunity to control various characters, from Elites in halo 3 to the members of different teams in 5. It would be a captivating twist to allow players to choose their character in the next Halo installment, similar to Halo 5, but with a few alterations.

By default, Player One would always assume the role of Chief, while Player Two could choose between Locke, Jerome, or the Arbiter. Player Three's options would include Buck, Fred, Douglas, or the Purple Elite (Usze 'Taham), and Player Four could select Linda, Vale, Tanaka, N'tho 'Sraom (Blue Elite), or Alison.

MULTIPLAYER: Halo 3 power ups, and halo 5's movement and gunplay. Simple as that

[midnight tree]

ok real talk why do my grenades tickle people when they explode right under their feet meanwhile enemy grenades go off 5 miles away from me and nuke me anyway

[crystal iron]

Now you did it💀💀

[winged ridge]

Also Halo 4 was my first Halo game that I bought and played start to finish, so obvious nostalgia bias

[grim citrus]

Words cannot describe how much I hated equipment

[crystal iron]

I loved halo 4 when it came out when I was younger. Story was okayish, never understood it or cared much as a child

[torpid nacelle]

Halo 4's story was a 7/10. I wont diss on it, I grew up playing it too even tho i started from CE. But gameplay wasnt as great, art style not as much. But it had a nice tone.

[crystal iron]

We literally have that in infinite bro

[torpid nacelle]

its better than freaking abiltiles.

[crystal iron]

This man doesnt think before he speaks

[winged ridge]

The only enjoyment I got out of Halo 5 was the multiplayer as a guilty pleasure. The game was just bad overall

[grim citrus]

I disagree. But you are entitled to your opinion.

[faint pilot]

Yes, because I love having to grind out against artificially difficult ai in firefight just to avoid players who tryhard because they want req point too.

[crystal iron]

Mutliplayer was fire.

[torpid nacelle]

Reaches armor abilties were useless. A neat concept but didnt make up for the gameplay.

[grim citrus]

Says the guy that brings up character development in ODST and then backs out.

[crystal iron]

There was so many vehicles, weapons

[winged ridge]

Halo Infinite, even with the state it’s in now, is just disappointing

[crystal iron]

As an example bro💀 you are way too fixated on that

[torpid nacelle]

I agree.

[crystal iron]

Mcc to this feels mega janky

Nothing feels smooth

Movement feels off

[faint pilot]

Yes, yes it is...

[winged ridge]

I’ve never been so unmotivated to play a Halo game until Infinite post-launch (which is saying a lot considering the game that came before it)

[crystal iron]

At the campaign was enjoyable imo

[grim citrus]

I’m 50/50 on reach’s abilities

[winged ridge]

I will agree there. The campaign and story was the best aspect of Infinite

[crystal iron]

You just said you hated it and now you are 50/50?

[faint pilot]

I actually liked the campaign.

[grim citrus]

Are you really comparing equipment to armor abilities? And saying that it’s the same?

[crystal iron]

Campaign was a smooth ride. One thing I didnt like was the fact its all a plains field

[torpid nacelle]

I would love for 343 to add 5 to MCC already. This is what they should be doing, idc what people say. Give the PC players the chance to play the game. Plus MCC player base will rise with the addition of 5's multiplayer, reduce the file size. Yea MCC does have a lot of games but still variety is there.

[crystal iron]

The games before had halo rings, earth, wastelands, tundras

[winged ridge]

I would still rather go back and play CE than Infinite, in all honesty

[eternal lion]

Its not going to be possible to put 5 in MCC. But on PC ....

[crystal iron]

It could, but it would be a huge download

I def think they could add it, but wont

[faint pilot]

And carry over the stuff people who have played 5 managed to get. I dont want to start the req grind all over again.

[torpid nacelle]

anything is possible, yes the real idea is to make it a stand alone

[crystal iron]

I hope they dont carry that system over

[grim citrus]

You earn req points regardless if you win or lose?

[crystal iron]

Unless its all earmable

[torpid nacelle]

I think only the career info and whatever you unlocked.

[crystal iron]

It was pay to win for warzone with the packs

[torpid nacelle]

I wouldnt mind if they made you unlock stuff like how mcc did

[faint pilot]

I've forgotten how to hope.

[winged ridge]

Warzone was a cool concept done wrong imo

The pay to win Req packs ruined it

[grim citrus]

I don’t see how can a game be pay to win if everything is randomized. You guys gotta come up with new arguments, man.

[crystal iron]

I loved it, but yeah the moment someone brought out the op hannibals or oni or even the upgraded photon

It was game in stone for that team

[faint pilot]

that is not the help you think it is, bud.

[grim citrus]

Explain how it was pay to win.

[crystal iron]

Bro you literally had the option to buy packs to get op gear💀

[coarse dagger]

With Warzone - even if you bought a bunch of packs, you still had to earn REQ energy by playing the game so you could redeem items. You could easily lose that item before you ever got to use it.

[crystal iron]

Sure its all luck in the end

[winged ridge]

Req packs can literally be bought with real money

[grim citrus]

That you lose once you use it in the game

[winged ridge]

So you would buy several to get multiple of the op items

[grim citrus]

Once again, you guys need better arguments.

[crystal iron]

Bro forgot that req regenerates through time in the game💀💀

[grim citrus]

OP items such as?

[coarse dagger]

You could also get loads of free packs from watching HCS and other things

Or just by playing

[crystal iron]

Hanibals, oni, the helios version of the photon

Literal game changing tide stuff

[winged ridge]

CE Magnum was op as well

[crystal iron]

Literally a pocket sized sniper

[grim citrus]

I’m no longer engaging in conversation with you. It’s a waste of my time.

[faint pilot]

You just corrected us by saying that its not p2w, its pay to hope to win. Nobody wants to gamble to either get a garbage background nobody wants, or an op gun/vehicle, or a cosmetic that may or may not even look good

[crystal iron]

Im so ded with this man💀💀💀

Bro is in denial and dissolusion that we just fact checked him on everything

[grim citrus]

So explain… how would you implement it in the game.

[winged ridge]

It’s ok, he’s entitled to his wrong opinion

[midnight tree]

average video game discussion moment

[crystal iron]

By making it earnable, not pay to win

It's that easy

We already paid for the game

Halo 5 discussion? Holy moa, where’s my popcorn?

[serene furnace]

REQ points are earned through playing you know

[smoky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/chief-popcorn-gif-20879579

[grim citrus]

No no man… clearly it wasn’t.

[crystal iron]

Yes, but you can just straight up buy the packs

[winged ridge]

I honestly think Warzone Firefight was better than regular Warzone, since while yes you had to buy the reqs and stuff, at least they were used against CPU opponents

Not irl players

[serene furnace]

And?

[crystal iron]

Warzone is completely based off that system. And heavily resolves itself around whoever has the better gear and vehicles

Who would in a fight

[faint pilot]

I wouldn't, its a garbage system and it should never have been implemented at all. Players should EARN their cool outfits, and weapons should be balanced. Not all stuffed on a slot machine that costs 5 dollars to play.

[crystal iron]

A scorpion or an oni scorpion?

[winged ridge]

Aka: every Halo from Halo 3 to Halo 4

[crystal iron]

Where the oni had heavier armor + explosive rounds

[grim citrus]

Once again, you can earn it by playing….

[serene furnace]

Well yeah, the team that captures zones and kills enemies faster get req levels higher, and that is fair, they are being rewarded for performing better

[winged ridge]

As well as current MCC with the Season stuff

[midnight tree]

balls in my face

[crystal iron]

But not everyone has the same cards for the said vehicle

Its a matter of who has the better ones flat out

[winged ridge]

Like, Infinite also had you sort of earning them, but you have to spend money on currency and then buy a battle pass to do it

[onyx latch]

Just give everyone unlimited copies of the same default vehicle and weapon cards, ezpz.

[crystal iron]

The helios was a literal spartan laser to players that you couldnt do anything against unless you had a heavy vehicle to counter it

[grim citrus]

These arguments always gets me going lol

[smoky wave]

The option of paying the lootboxes are still there and you are still on mercy with RNG

[crystal iron]

Halo Reboot

[grim citrus]

Or use the plasma pistol.

[faint pilot]

a measly few hundred req points for a game unless you use boosts that are ALSO found by req packs? thats your defense?

[smoky wave]

No matter how you defend it, it still a lootboxes system

[crystal iron]

Bad idea

[crystal iron]

Agreed

[crystal iron]

Yeah use a plasma against an aircraft that literally had teleportation as a dodge💀

[grim citrus]

It sounds like you never played the game.

[serene furnace]

So? What's wrong with having the option to buy req packs? Only millionaires desperate to win bought them

[crystal iron]

Good point bro

[young glen]

Pay to win elements.

[onyx latch]

Are the millionaires in the room with us now

[grim citrus]

Here we go with the pay to win elements

[young glen]

Let's just stick with cosmetics for monetisation. It's better that way.

[crystal iron]

You be very surprised by how many people will buy that stuff

Especially for a triple A game

[winged ridge]

I only ever paid for packs if it was a special one or if I had spare Xbox account money to burn. Otherwise, I used the points I got by playing matches

[smoky wave]

Jules you have to accept one day that Halo 5 is not the best

[serene furnace]

I doubt it

[faint pilot]

Literally played it since 2015 because I was a stupid kid who thought new meant good but whatever.

[crystal iron]

In case you missed the compliment, very good point bro. Never thought that could work

[grim citrus]

And why is that

[winged ridge]

And I’ve played Halo 5 since day one

[grim citrus]

Because everyone else says it isnt?

Great reason

[serene furnace]

I'll take optional pay2win elements for just one gamemode over having to pay for new multiplayer maps any day

[crystal iron]

At this point you gotta be trolling

[smoky wave]

If you like it that's fine, I think the game it is good but you get really really defensive when someone criticize the game in any capacity

[crystal iron]

Warzone was basically BTB level of popularity

[serene furnace]

And? What I said still stands

[grim citrus]

How exactly am I being defensive?

[crystal iron]

💀

Ok you do you bud

[grim citrus]

If someone makes an incorrect statement and i correct them, I’m being defensive?

[onyx latch]

Well... Yeah.

[serene furnace]

It's like criticizing Halo 4 for the emphasis on loadouts when only 3 gamemodes used them

[crystal iron]

Yes, yes it is

[onyx latch]

I mean you don't have to be wrong to be defensive

[grim citrus]

Lmao

[young glen]

Warzone was one of the big new things about Halo 5 and the REQ system played a major part in it. Just because it's one mode doesn't mean it's less susceptible to fair criticism.

[grim citrus]

He’s implying that I get really really defensive

[onyx latch]

Well, that's not exactly an incorrect observation, frankly.

[midnight tree]

Dark and griddy odst band of brother

[grim citrus]

If that’s how people see it, so be it

[young glen]

griddy lol

[serene furnace]

You didn't miss out on anything if you didn't buy REQ packs with real money, unlike map packs from previous games

[midnight tree]

https://tenor.com/view/master-chief-fortnite-master-chief-griddy-get-griddy-fortnite-gif-26533769

[vagrant phoenix]

Technically, responding at all is being defensive, so it's really just a lazy thing to accuse people of being so you can try to take advantage of them slipping while you've momentarily dragged them away from the actual topic of conversation.

[analog salmon]

Halo Reach is actually the greatest video game of all time therefore Halo 5 must be flawed in many ways

[onyx latch]

This guy gets it.

Like when you say someone's "Gotta be trolling" or they're "mad lol"

[smoky wave]

Not true, I think Halo spartan assault is the best

[onyx latch]

Based

[vagrant phoenix]

Weak minded drivel, laugh at all who utter it.

[midnight tree]

Halo Reach is actually my favorite Bungie Halo

[serene furnace]

If you say Halo 5 is a bad game and I go to IGN's videos and they gave the game higher note than 5 then you are factually wrong, and therefore your thoughts on the game are mere opinions and not statements

[midnight tree]

i like my dark and gritty tactiool spartans

[ruby knoll]

honestly nothing wrong with that

as long as you call a spade a spade
or something

[winged ridge]

Spartan Assault could have been better, but it was fun for what it was

[onyx latch]

Halo Reach is the one I end up playing the most, with ODST a close second, but it's usually because I know how to clear their levels the fastest and don't usually mind a quick 15 minute jaunt in those games. It's playtime beyond that that I start to get... Testy.

[onyx latch]

You use spades to shovel things

In trenches

[ruby knoll]

true!!!

[analog salmon]

GG boys they're both amazing but Reach is more amazing

[grim citrus]

They’re just going to go to Act Man halo 5 review as a counter

[winged ridge]

“MP is the best since Halo 2” Forgetting Halo 3, bud?

[analog salmon]

are u really gonna argue with IGN?

[winged ridge]

Yeah fair 😂

[serene furnace]

Halo 2 and 4 both score higher than Reach

[grim citrus]

Halo 3 multiplayer. Bloodshots, poor netcode, rank lock, projectile BR and paywalls. What a time to be alive.

[winged ridge]

If you say Xbox Live is the paywall, then every Halo game from 2 onward suffers in that aspect

[serene furnace]

Paying for new maps

Halo 2, 3, Reach and 4 all did that

[winged ridge]

Halo 2 still had that paywall

It was a disk, but you still paid for it

[serene furnace]

And it was terrible

[smoky wave]

Xbox gold it was a paywall for a lot of people tho

[onyx latch]

Which one 🧌

[winged ridge]

A more expensive one than the map packs

[smoky wave]

Yup

[winged ridge]

And a yearly paywall (or monthly depending on your payment method)

[serene furnace]

There were several map packs, per game

[onyx latch]

Honestly anyone touting Act Man's review vids is immediately pegged as a degenerate and is no longer trusted to give objective opinions in my eyes.

[winged ridge]

Whereas the map packs were 1 time purchases

[onyx latch]

Which may be a bit extreme, but he somehow attracts a certain clientel that's like oil to my water.

[serene furnace]

And worse, why would Halo 3 charge you for maps like Blackout, when:
1: that's a remake from Lockout, meaning it already existed in Halo 2 and they just copied the map layout under a different skin
2: it plays worse

[grim citrus]

Part 1.

[onyx latch]

3. It's Halo 3

:3

[winged ridge]

I’d rather pay for map packs than dumb req packs or the currency for a battle pass

[serene furnace]

And they did 3 remakes, Blackout, Chill Out and Avalanche, all under a paywall

[analog salmon]

nice that means u trust me to give objective opinions 😄

[grim citrus]

This makes so much sense.

[grim citrus]

I believe chill out was free

[winged ridge]

Because they were one time purchases, added more content, and were more worthwhile purchases

[onyx latch]

I meant to say objective statements, but hey, I trust your input more than most of the rabble.

[serene furnace]

Main difference: req packs were optional, map packs meanwhile, would lock you out of matchmaking for not buying them

[grim citrus]

One is predatory and one isn’t.

[winged ridge]

I never played the multiplayer much on the 360 games except for 4

[serene furnace]

That's not our problem

[winged ridge]

So I didn’t personally care

[eternal lion]

You could get 90 % of the req by just playing too

[onyx latch]

Considering I never got to use them, no, I do not think they were worthwhile.

[serene furnace]

Especially that

[serene furnace]

Your arguments lose all relevance when you disregard them for not having a personal effect on you

[onyx latch]

^

Beat me to it

[winged ridge]

Because I never bought any of them. I’m just saying if I was forced to pick, I’d pick map packs over a feature required for a certain game mode

[grim citrus]

Every so often we get these kind of people in the chat.

[analog salmon]

I didnt mind map packs because my dad let me use his credit card to buy every map pack i wanted 😄

[serene furnace]

MAP PACKS ARE WHAT YOU CALL A FEATURE REQUIRED FOR A CERTAIN GAME MODE.

[onyx latch]

Poor decision to pick, then.

[winged ridge]

Maybe, but it’s my decision to make

[serene furnace]

Besides, it's hard, but completely possible to win a Warzone match with just regular weapons

[celest heron]

with h2 I was just happy new maps were available so I bought them

[analog salmon]

sir chill with the all caps please it offends my eyes

[onyx latch]

Digging your heels in on the greater of two evils isn't really the best plan of attack but you do you.

Course, I'd rather not have to decide in the first place, but one's a clearly better thing to get stabbed by.

[grave ether]

[analog salmon]

ur not getting stabbed by having less maps in a video game because you cant afford dlc map packs come on

[onyx latch]

I was going to use a food analogy instead, but stabbing was quicker.

[grave ether]

Skewer

[onyx latch]

Ballista

[winged ridge]

I could afford Xbox Live Gold every year so I could definitely have afforded the map packs if I chose to buy them

[analog salmon]

honestly for me the bad thing about map packs isn't those who missed out. its the fact you didn't get to play them as much because a % of the games population didnt have them

[grim citrus]

But the beauty with warzone was that there wasn’t any req card that was a guaranteed win.

[analog salmon]

people who couldnt afford the map packs could play all the maps they paid for (the base game) no problem, they didnt lose out

i guess customs you got kicked for not having the map packs tho

but come on customs needed sandbox and foudry lol

bungie fixed that for reach with a great canvas map at launch

[onyx latch]

Because Bungie, somehow, after years of having mapmaking options in the PC ports of their games, somehow didn't realize that people love using mapmaking tools to design maps.

[analog salmon]

i just dont have a lot of memories of playing the map packs in match making, that's why DLC sucks really

[onyx latch]

Which just blows my mind.

[winged ridge]

I also did not know that the map packs for 3-Reach were even available until I bought the map packs for Halo 4

And now that all the map pack stuff is available by default in MCC, I see no reason to go back and buy them, especially with the 360 Halo games having their servers killed

[analog salmon]

they're free now lol

[onyx latch]

They were free anyways.

[winged ridge]

I looked some up for Reach and they were $10

[onyx latch]

It was a few years on.

[winged ridge]

They weren’t free until 2017

[onyx latch]

Yes.

[winged ridge]

I never even knew they were made free until now

[analog salmon]

tbh if microsoft wasnt so greedy they would have just included map packs with gold but it is what it is

[winged ridge]

Unlike Nintendo, at least Gold actually functions well

Considering Nintendo bundles DLC into their expansion pack service (which is $50) and the online is still garbage

Xbox Gold may be pricey, but at least you’re getting good quality service more often than not

[analog salmon]

Nintendo are just a level of egregious above the rest of the industry tbh

My first gaming experience was game cube and gameboy but i refuse to give that company a penny

[winged ridge]

Also, Halo 2’s map pack didn’t require Xbox Live to be used

You could download them without it

[analog salmon]

same with 360

[winged ridge]

But the Halo 2 one was a physical disk you had to put in

And it had infinite uses

[analog salmon]

oooh u mean xbox live not gold igu

[winged ridge]

It wasn’t a one time thing

[winged ridge]

This is og Xbox, not 360

[analog salmon]

so you could just share ur disk with other people?

[winged ridge]

Yeah

[analog salmon]

sneaky

[winged ridge]

And it only cost $20 and also came with bonus stuff like early trailers for the game

[analog salmon]

i remember people who bought the halo 3 map packs lending friends the Halo 3 mythic disk to friends

that came with ODST

[winged ridge]

Oh the Halo 3 Multiplayer disk?

[analog salmon]

yah it had the Mythic 2 maps on it but you could buy them standalone and then give your mate the disk and he would have all the maps

[winged ridge]

My copy of ODST still has that, tho I never lent it to anybody

[analog salmon]

it was kinda weird they did it like that but i think it was cause people still had 360 cores with no hard drive so a DLC code wasn't usable by everyone

[winged ridge]

Mhm

[analog salmon]

it was actually kinda annoying u had to switch disk to go from multiplayer to campaign if you wanted to play the mythic 2 maps and not buy them standalone

[winged ridge]

Oof

That does sound annoying

[ruby lake]

you know

i wish these halo doomer videos would stop coming up

because i think they're just saying the same ol message

"bring old halo back, 343 bad, wahhh"

[torpid nacelle]

what did I miss while i was gone LOL

[ruby lake]

everything

[torpid nacelle]

darn

[ruby knoll]

jelly

[torpid nacelle]

if anyone is down for some halo 3 lmk

[sullen kiln]

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[tame crane]

Temfor bundle is fixed 🙌, just wish the adrenal bundle would get fixed now 😫 its the only bundle I havent been able to get yet

[grim citrus]

I want old halo to come back, just so I can experience first hand why it wasn’t brought back earlier

[ruby lake]

meow

[white birch]

Deploy cat ears

[stone star]

what if old halo comes back but it's well recieved and popular though

no one knows what would really happen if they did that

[white birch]

Cause it wouldn't

[torpid nacelle]

Halo needs to stick to being a linear based game. Ditch this idea of open world stuff.

Halo infinite didnt feel fun when it was open world, half the time i found my self not knowing where to go lol.

[young glen]

If old Halo came back, I imagine it wouldn't be either of those things.

Even Infinite feels dated compared to other popular multiplayer games, and it's the closest to old Halo gameplay relative to other 343 offerings.

I still wish they kept the Halo 5 gameplay formula though... ah well.

[stone star]

Infinite was initially very well received though for like the first month

and the argument could be made it dropped off due to lack of content, bug fixes and other post launch support

also not having a battle royal

[smoky wave]

The game itself as for gameplay it's not thaaat dated but shooter arena that has high ttk in general is kinda not that popular

[stone star]

as fun as the meme of "the only br we need is the battle rifle" was, I do think Infinite would be in a better state had it launched with a battle royal

it's what helps cod stay as popular as it is after all

[smoky wave]

A lot of people just go more of games that has low ttk or like with more tactical per round, like you see with csgo/valorant and other similar games

[stone star]

not always, it just depends on what the game provides to the player that has them wanting to stick around

[smoky wave]

See the market on shooters right now

[torpid nacelle]

Infinites gameplay is what really bugs me.

[stone star]

Destiny 2 has a high ttk like Halo and that games PvP is still active, even though Bungie's been ignoring it till recently

but that games main draw is the PvE

[smoky wave]

People mostly don't go to just PvP on D2 tho and a lot of the community don't even touch it

But that's just another type of conversation about balance and priorities

The popular shooters right now are those types, BR or tactical ones that has very low TTK
Arena shooters in general sure, there are there and a lot of people do play a lot of them for example Halo but is not as popular like mentioned games

And honestly, as a long that Halo has a healthy population, decent amount of content it doesn't need like extremely popular like some people want

[stone star]

healthy population is what the game is lacking currently though

[smoky wave]

I still get fairly fast the matches, so I think it is not

[stone star]

see I don't want it to be extremely popular but it's at the point where I can't play anything outside of quick play and whatever the featured gamemode is for the week here in oce

[smoky wave]

Wait, where are you from tho

[stone star]

you live in eu you have a different experience

[smoky wave]

Yeah that explains, unfortunately Halo was very low in other populations like OCE or Asia always so welp

[stone star]

Halo 5 was more popular here in its 5th-6th year than Infinite is in its second

when I played 5 back in like 2020 I could still match games of warzone and infection without having to use expanded search

so from my point of view Halo is definitely not doing well at all

[smoky wave]

It did hurt a lot in the first year of Infinite but it is something that is getting back update by update
But again, experiences here is different, I was able to get pretty fast matches in most playlists (except in season 2 months later)

[grim citrus]

Because the demand for it isn’t as big as people think it is. It’s just a very vocal minority that preaches old halo needs a comeback.

For example, the midst of halo 5’s development, halo 3 was announced for backward compatibility and only a selected few cared about it.

[stone star]

it was nice when MCC was decently popular leading up to Infinite

but that was most likely due to Halo hype

considering MCC fully died here following Infinite's release

outside of like, a couple lobbies on the cgb

I do believe a lot of aus players who pay attention to Halo news quit Infinite early into its lifespan back when we were region locking to prioritize aus servers

since there wasn't a local/expanded search option

and then whoever it was referred to people doing it as "bad actors" which was at that point majority of the active oce playerbase

which yeah the fact it dragged people in other regions onto the oce servers was not great

but it pissed a lot of people off when we were basically just ignored as a nuisance

[grim citrus]

Or maybe because the game is dated

[shell pebble]

Please no hard reboot

That would suck balls

Just do a hard reboot and erase halo 4/5 onward

It's the 343i era of Halo that needs to be erased

[coarse dagger]

Nothing needs to be erased

[shell pebble]

And not having Steve and Jen as MC and Cortana

That'll be the final nail in the coffin

Lookup HiddenXperia on YouTube

There's rumblings that a hard reboot is in the works

[smoky wave]

hiddenX
Imagine believing in that

[coarse dagger]

Someone made a tweet asking for a reboot, that's all there is to it. People are just churning the rumor mill with that tweet

[smoky wave]

Ah so the usual

[shell pebble]

It was confirmed by another well known person too

[coarse dagger]

You can't confirm anything like this unless you're 343 or Microsoft and neither have done so

[shell pebble]

2 people who have more access/insight/know more people on the inside have said via Twitter a reboot is possible

[young glen]

Was this not just a 'gut feeling' by Ryan McCaffrey?

[coarse dagger]

Nothing is confirmed

[grim citrus]

What a horrible take

[shell pebble]

If I was Microsoft

And I had just fired the entire campaign team

[coarse dagger]

Ah, yes, that was it

[shell pebble]

After promising more chapters and what made infinite good for anything

[coarse dagger]

https://twitter.com/DMC_Ryan/status/1696286010206720109?t=fWV9ECNV9FuAMaeUzZ9efw&s=19

Ryan McCaffrey (@DMC_Ryan)

Just a gut feeling here, but given the senior staff departures & layoffs suffered at 343 since Infinite has been released, and the fair-to-argue take that lnfinite has not had the lasting impact a Halo game should/needs to, I think the next mainline Halo game is gonna be a reboot

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Twitter · Aug 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

[shell pebble]

Yeah that's the one

And then it was confirmed by another

[coarse dagger]

People are running with this saying it's happening

It's not

[smoky wave]

Did 343 said it?

[young glen]

By who dude, by who? Because It's clearly just a personal take by Ryan.

[shell pebble]

I'm waiting for Microsoft to say yep it's happening out of spite

[frosty condor]

I’d cry if halo got rebooted

[shell pebble]

Chris Ray

"I believe this to be true"

[smoky wave]

So is not 343

[shell pebble]

There's nobody at 343 to confirm it

[young glen]

Isn't this guy just a Youtuber? https://twitter.com/ChrisRGun/status/1696339174910214217

[coarse dagger]

Cool, so nothing confirmed then
Glad we cleared that up

[shell pebble]

The majority of 343 got fired

[coarse dagger]

That's probably the worst way to put it

[grim citrus]

Lol

[coarse dagger]

And not entirely correct either

[glacial tartan]

expecting people to understand churn is unlikely

[shell pebble]

Like that's what this whole thing smells like

[grim citrus]

This is how rumors spread

[coarse dagger]

Microsoft laid of a chunk of staff at the start of the year and in the months following

It absolutely wasn't "343 staff got fired"

[shell pebble]

Microsoft got upset that 343 didn't make enough profit so they targeted them for layoffs to make a hard reboot of the Halo franchise

[grim citrus]

Like the Frankie hired people that hates halo rumour

[shell pebble]

And got mad that people didn't invest into infinite's microtransactions

[coarse dagger]

I think we can move on from this now, entertained it for long enough

[glacial tartan]

Please can someone post the Pepe Silvia picture

That’s all it is, photos and strings

[shell pebble]

Like it's been how long since infinite came out

And how many features were we promised that got canned?

[coarse dagger]

1, so far

[smoky wave]

1

[shell pebble]

Local co-op, campaign expansions

[smoky wave]

They never confirmed about expansions LOL

[coarse dagger]

Campaign expansions were never promised

[smoky wave]

It was just split-screen campaign, which it was canceled, the rest of features they did said it's there

[coarse dagger]

I don't know where you're getting this information, but you really need better sources

[smoky wave]

Me believing in typical rumours acounts that spreads misinformation

[shell pebble]

Then Microsoft needs to stop bsing and give some real answers

[tepid latch]

Campaign expansions were just rumored cuz waypoint had a section called "Campaigns" lmao

[onyx latch]

You might as well try to exsanguinate a boulder for your trouble.

[glacial tartan]

Write them some strongly worded tweets

[shell pebble]

"are you going to continue to make Halo campaign?" => should've been an easy 'yes'

[crystal iron]

That’s what happens when you listen to some of halo YouTubers I guess

[shell pebble]

But no we got the run around cya answer

[onyx latch]

Your brain rots and you become what amounts to a literate feral ghoul?

[smoky wave]

This is going to be a long week with this rumour huh

[tepid latch]

Its been two guys on Twitter so far that have just said they feel like halo should get a reboot, noone confirmed anything, it was just their feelings :p

[grim citrus]

Bro gets his rumors from kotaku

[shell pebble]

Just every step and every word Microsoft/343i has said has been cya...

[glacial tartan]

Source: I made it up 😂

[frosty condor]

Can’t wait to see a GameSpot article come tomorrow

[onyx latch]

Source; It came to me in a dream

[shell pebble]

No 'real' answers from the AMA

[smoky wave]

They will replace the Halo show into the game

[shell pebble]

Just cya smoke screens

[tepid latch]

okay wolf <3

[shell pebble]

That's what I'm afraid of

[tepid latch]

live in ur echo chamber

[smoky wave]

LOL

[young glen]

Should I take out my tiny violin?

[smoky wave]

This is funny

[onyx latch]

You're afraid of something awesome?

What a boring life you must lead.

[coarse dagger]

Anyways, who's played Husky Raid today?

[smoky wave]

I've been playing destiny because reset week but I'm jumping now to do some Halo

[glacial tartan]

It’s in action sack for Halo 4, still awesome to run into

[tepid latch]

I just started work T-T i might get a couple games in on my lunch break!

[grim citrus]

It’s not boring when you have halo 3

[stuck wagon]

Played once it was ok

[coarse dagger]

I loved it in Halo 5, need to squeeze some time to try it in Infinite

[onyx latch]

Three!!!!1!1!1

[crystal iron]

it’s great. Got nostalgic about halo 5 after that lol

[grim citrus]

The goat

[shell pebble]

With how bad the show was and how Microsoft has been acting, I wouldn't put it past them

[livid fable]

"ten years of content" certainly SOUNDS like they intend on campaign dlc, because the alternative is that they planned on 10 years without any campaign material at all.

Which, hey, totally could've been their intent. Just saying where the weird stuff that was never explicitly said comes from in so many people's heads.

[smoky wave]

I do not care

[onyx latch]

Based

[shell pebble]

Exactly

[grim citrus]

When have they ever had campaign dlc in the 20 years

[livid fable]

preach

[frosty condor]

Business models change, FYI

[smoky wave]

It was said by a director that is not there anymore tho

[livid fable]

which is a valid criticism of its credibility.

[smoky wave]

And since the delay and the first year a lot changed

[glacial tartan]

Why not look at MCC for 343s implementation of a 10 year plan - granted it’s only 9 but it’s getting close.

[livid fable]

correct. I'm not saying it's a good understanding. I'm saying it was a publicly stated and largely repeated statement from what was at the time an official source.

[smoky wave]

So putting all the truth on a old director that left the studio just when the game delayed and then a lot of plans changes is kinda y'know

[shell pebble]

Because that's thinking too logically

[smoky wave]

Which maybe they meant the 10 years mostly on multiplayer only too

[livid fable]

i mean shave off the first two years for being broken and the content being fixes

[crystal iron]

Ok, tbh understandable that some people did understand this that way but still I personally never really believed that it would ever happen and it didn’t lol

[ruby knoll]

nah but Halo: reach should get nuked.

[livid fable]

i agree. halo infinite does not seem well set up for any kind of dlc campaign content.

[glacial tartan]

Why?

[onyx latch]

Multi year plans are always malleable. They're called plans, not inevitabilities or absolutes or whatever else.

[smoky wave]

Coff Destiny

[frosty condor]

It did.. it got glassed

[ruby knoll]

no

[livid fable]

i plan on giving you a million dollars.

[shell pebble]

Right but we waited how long for infinite? And we're waiting how long again since the launch of infinite? I'm not getting any younger

[onyx latch]

I plan on not feeling sick today.

[smoky wave]

Here is the tip, play other games or find other hobbies in the meantime

Surely time will pass and there will be a new Halo game just for you

[shell pebble]

At least when Marvel did this they actually delivered on their movies and made the wait worth it

[onyx latch]

Ugh.

[ruby knoll]

i wish morons with no actual info beyond the glorified blogposts of the refuse of entertainment "journalism" at best, and the ramblings of the insane otherwise, stopped talking authoritatively on subject matter they have no info on

[smoky wave]

You mean, crunching to death their VFX and other parts of the studio?

[ruby knoll]

omg

it's a capekino fan

[smoky wave]

To the point there is now a union?

And basically milking to death every single year with a lot of movies

[livid fable]

hope you feel better soon, dude. lotta bugs going around here rn.

so yeah, plans change, and rational people understand this. But when the default response to plans changing, especially without further and clear communication on what the new plan is, is to say 'they never technically promised anything!' it feels entirely disingenuous.

[smoky wave]

You mean Marvel? The same ones?

[crystal iron]

Idk, phase 4 was a disappointment for the most part and stuff that is happening behind the scenes isn’t sounding good

[smoky wave]

I mean if you want a CoD situation for Halo

[ruby knoll]

you say this like communicating with the community changes anything

[livid fable]

it does. it changes perspectives and expectations. is that somehow not obvious?

[ruby knoll]

they'll believe the loudest morons as long as it somehow confirms whatever bizarre priors they have

[shell pebble]

Exactly. A simple 'hey we're no longer planning on doing campaign content for 10 years for halo infinite and instead are changing to making a new game based off of unreal engine instead that will contain both campaigns and multiplayer'

[onyx latch]

Seeking a more educated gaming public is a noble goal, but one beset on all sides by privileged and armchair perspectives that insist on doing their best imitation of a crab bucket.

[livid fable]

aaaahhhhhh, i get it. you're a doomer. got it.

[smoky wave]

That's not being a doomer

[livid fable]

'all efforts will be in vain.'

[smoky wave]

That's literally what is happening right now with this rumour because of a youtuber LOL

[ruby knoll]

no i just think the community is full of people who'd make Halo 3 Miranda look like a genius

[onyx latch]

So you want them to lie to you?

[livid fable]

if only there was someone who could tell us what the actual plan was. : P

alas, that's impossible.

[shell pebble]

No I want them to be honest

[smoky wave]

They never going to tell you that, be realistic

[onyx latch]

So why are you saying you want them to tell you a lie?

[livid fable]

you mean they're never going to tell anyone that.

[ruby knoll]

god i hate the unwarranted unreal engine hype

[shell pebble]

If they have no intention of making another campaign then they should say that

[livid fable]

also.... yeah, frankly.

[shell pebble]

Instead of giving cya answers

[coarse dagger]

Wolf, move on please

[ruby knoll]

what answers
they've never commented on campaign content once