video-games

[fathom juniper]

yeah but that new home is just going to be...
a shadow of it's former self

[steady otter]

[late zinc]

does anyone knows which game implemented the crit chance convertion first?

i know many games have that mechanic and i would like to know which game was the pioneer on that

[polar dragon]

crit chance conversion?

[steady otter]

dunno if this is the answer to your question, but it's the wiki page on critical hits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_hit

[polar dragon]

like pseudo random crit chance?

Warcraft 3 is the first one (?) to implement a pseudo random crit chance I think

[fathom juniper]

warcraft 3 the first game with random crits?
hell no

[polar dragon]

no no

pseudo random

I am not sure what they meant by Crit Chance Convertion

[fathom juniper]

i mean - if you wanna talk semantics
every "random" thing in games is pseudo random
since you can't really have truly randomly generated numbers - they're always based on some set math that tends to give wildly different results

[polar dragon]

https://liquipedia.net/warcraft/Pseudo_Random_Distribution

This is what I mean

In Warcraft 3, 15% crit doesn't mean you have a 15% chance to crit, but rather you average 15% of your attacks to crit

There is a subtle difference there

[fathom juniper]

In more common random distributions, every possible check has the same chance of activation regardless of any prior checks. In pseudo-random distribution streaks of activation or streaks of no activation are less likely, but the overall probability remains the same.

oh i see now what you mean

still - even though it's the first time i'm seeing this
i still doubt it's the first game to have that
i bet there's some old rpg out there with something similar

[dire condor]

So if you're trending below 15% average crits, the game weighs crits heavier until it trends above 15%?

[polar dragon]

basically your first strike have fewer than 15% chance to crit, but if you don't your hit chance increases with every miss
until you crit, then it resets

[fathom juniper]

that kinda sounds like what the new xcom games are doing

[polar dragon]

in the end you average 15% somehow with math, idk the exact formula

and yeah, technically you can get 100% crit chance even on 15% crit

that's why in competitive warcraft sometimes people free hit their own units before engaging in combats

so they can have "pre" crit hit chance xD

[fathom juniper]

here's an easier way of explaining it
imagine you're playing xcom and you have a 50% chance of hitting the ayylien
in theory - you should hit him at least once when you fire two shots, right?
but every shot has it's own check, so every shot calculates that 50% separately - so you can still miss him twice in a row

but if you miss him twice in a row, your next shot is going to have higher chances of hitting

did i get that right?

[polar dragon]

yeah, except your first shot would actually have less than 50% chance to hit, to compensate for the increase later

it's like 40% and then 60%

[fathom juniper]

yeah i was doing xcom logic there

[polar dragon]

yup

it's a good system imo

because you don't die to 3 crits in a row, or go on a long drought without critting

[fathom juniper]

funny thing about the new xcom games
they're... infamous for having some bullcrap RNG
but in reality... there's a lot of tricks like that behind the scenes that actually work in your favor

[polar dragon]

it's like how tetris nowadays have a system to make sure block ratio are consistent

yeah 95% chance to hit = 100% or something like that

[fathom juniper]

it's just how human brain is wired and we tend to get salty about those moments when we miss, instead of remembering those uncertain shots that the game helped us hit

[polar dragon]

play Pokemon

I swear I miss more 90% and 70% too often

[dire condor]

You just triggered my fight-or-flight response, thanks.

[fathom juniper]

... that still didn't stop me from smashing my keyboard on the floor after getting so unfairly screwed in one mission it ended my 30 hours long war ironman campaign YEAH IM STILL SALTY ABOUT THAT ROOFTOP MISSION

[polar dragon]

dude I got para/confused/flinch 7 times in a row and lost the game

[fathom juniper]

30 hours
long war mod, enemy within DLC, classic mode, ironman
i was doing so well and then BAM
i got dropped in one mission that ruined everything in three turns

[polar dragon]

that's .75^7 = 13.34% chance

[late zinc]

what i meant is critical chance converted to flat dmg

which was implemented in lol recently

but it was on many games way before that

if im not mistaken

[polar dragon]

so rageblade math?

[late zinc]

yes

[fathom juniper]

critical chance converted to flat dmg

how does it work, exactly?

[late zinc]

instead of having critical chance all of your attacks have a little more dmg

[fathom juniper]

oh so like...
instead of having a 20% chance to crit for twice the damage
you just get like a... 5% flat increase to your normal damage?

[late zinc]

yes

i think

not sure how efficient it is

[fathom juniper]

[late zinc]

for on hit builds in the case of lol

[polar dragon]

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Guinsoo's_Rageblade

[late zinc]

but assasins creed has a similar mechanic i think and other games

so my question is which game put the mechanic on the map

[polar dragon]

yeah lol is the first time i see that kind of system tbh

[fathom juniper]

hmmmm....

didn't borderlands 2 have something similar?

looking at the wiki - this does kinda sound like one of Gaige's skills

haven't played it in a while so i dunno

nah - just looked it up - turns out i'm just talking crazy

[late zinc]

mobile game otherworld legends has that mechanic and it came out before the rageblade rework iirc

and as i said some assassins creed games have it aswell

[polar dragon]

so I tried to finish the Epilogue on Shadow of War and I have to say, it really sours my experience.

combat is fun but it gets repetitive eventually, camera angle is honestly straight up garbage so we don't talk about that, enemy level is a bit inflated (or maybe i'm just underleveled? or maybe that's to sell lootbox when it first came out??? maybe i'm too skeptical here)

but the worst offender is the control, oh boy. in the game the B button is used for reviving teammates, "stunlock" enemies, and sometimes interact with mission objective. That's right, one button for 3 different functions in combat with no way to specify which one you want. many many times I die or lose a mission because instead of reviving my teammate right next to me, it decides to stunlock an enemy instead, and touching the mission objective in the sea of enemy is a feat in and of itself. seriously, who thought this is ok. unless I'm missing something major, whoever designs this have poprock for brain 😤

the game is OK, but a step down from Shadow of Mordor imo. /rantover

[wraith cradle]

To be honest the two expansions are much better epilogues

[polar dragon]

I would love this game if not for that control scheme

i basically rage quit because defending the castle is near impossible not because it's hard, but because i can't revive my orcs when i keep draining the enemies.

oh I forgot, you use it to kill boss enemies, too

so 4 functions on one button, hit it, you have 25% chance to do what you want. good luck xD

[wraith cradle]

Yeah I remember how clunky the controls were

[polar dragon]

Nemesis system is fun. Storming the castle is fun. Parkouring around the map is fun. Story is acceptable.
I mean I did finish the game till the epilogue, after all. But yeah, the control... 😔

[fervent gyro]

Anyone remember Primordia? The successor called Strangeland was just released! I feel like June is gonna be point-and-click month for me (got Samorost in queue).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqDgGlGLlw

[twin yarrow]

oh boah

like that kind of games, with distinctive worlds, living by its own rules

speaking of Samorost

[fathom juniper]

quick question, folks

[twin yarrow]

and Machinarium, which has some similar features with Primordia

[fathom juniper]

what are some cool and cheap couch co-op games i could quickly get on steam right now?

bonus points for rougelites

hard mode: no spelunky, isaac, blazing beaks and streets of rogue

[twin yarrow]

hm.. does nuclear throne have coop?

maybe RoR2, idk?

ok, NT is not coop

[fathom juniper]

NT doesn't have co-op

and ROR 2 doesn't have couch co-op, i think

[twin yarrow]

RoR2 is

[hybrid jetty]

enter the gungeon has coop

[fathom juniper]

played it to death already

that's why im asking
cause im kinda running out of options here

[twin yarrow]

can't actually think of many couch co-op games at all

[hybrid jetty]

dual core is not a roguelike but has couch coop

yeah couch coop is not something all too common

[fathom juniper]

yeah

[rancid token]

Gungeon?

[fervent gyro]

Maybe Children of Morta? It's really good and it was designed with co-op in mind. And it's rogue-lite. Not cheap though, but maybe keep an eye out for sale.

[rancid token]

20XX, 30XX, Necrodancer, Divinity: Original Sin 1 & 2, Darksiders Genesis, Battleblock Theater, Gauntlet, Magicka 1 & 2, Mercenary Kings, Risk of Rain

Spelunky, Spelunky 2, Wizard of Legend

[dire saffron]

to go off of battleblock about anything by behemoth is a solid co op game and i can vouch for wizard of legend. however for morta i wasnt a big fan. me and my stepbrother played co op and we never finished because it was a repetitive slog. after like the first area it devolved into just hit and run due to the sheer size of hoards and just got really grindy

[polar dragon]

There is a mod call Nuclear Throne Together and Territorial Expansion that allows you to do multiplayer.

A very casual and potentially fun one is Pac-man 256 for $1 right now on Humble Bundle. Haven't tested it but it seems like a fun party game with some roguelite elements. Otherwise yeah, Risk of Rain 2 is perhaps the tried and true coop roguelite

[dire condor]

oooh yall talking about nuclear throne

pog

[dire condor]

yeah its actually super easy to use, ive used it to play with my friends online

[polar dragon]

Or you can go old school and play classic games like Contra, Snow Bros, etc.
Micro Mages is also a good modern NES game with couch coop.

[polar dragon]

Yeah I like NT, funny thing though, I have it through the BLM Bundle

It doesn't have dailies, but the pirated version does xD

[dire condor]

the BLM bundle is so great, im still parsing through some of the games there

theres some hidden gems

[wraith cradle]

Guys. Library of Ruina releases in 3 days and I'm really counting down the hours

[wraith cradle]

Unrailed is on sale

Kingdom Two Crowns is quite fun imo but not for everybody

Brothers a tale of two sons is 3 Euros so that's a steal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468419754139451394/846736476577202227/unknown.png

👀

[steady otter]

They got the time zone wrong for us though
It’s currently CEST - not CET, but I guess it doesn’t matter much in the end

Just fun that they got British summer time right but not Central European summer time

[wraith cradle]

Found a promising Turn Based JRPG

https://store.steampowered.com/app/539330/Light_Fairytale_Episode_1/

Steam

Light Fairytale Episode 1

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▶ Play video

A friend reccomended me HACK G.U but I would want a second opinion of someone who has played it

[lusty turret]

X-men games?

[eager hamlet]

Reasonably interesting characters, decent story, abysmal gameplay

Its excruciatingly boring to actually play, and the environments are all the same

[wraith cradle]

Remaster or OG?

[eager hamlet]

Both I think?

I played the Remaster

[wraith cradle]

Ok, Thanks

[steady otter]

The saga of misfortune continues

Yesterday my game crashed

Today I manage to beach my seamoth

It is nothing more then a glorified beacon now

[wraith cradle]

#video-games message

[eager hamlet]

Have you played the Yakuza games, Albino?

[wraith cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6scQRAsEMdQ

Called it by a day lmao

Played 0 one day in a friends's home

Not my style tbh

The humor was top-notch

[junior crown]

love how the new map is almost a recreation from the re2remake

[polar dragon]

idk what that means but F

[steady otter]

Basically I can’t get it out into the water, but since I do remember where I beached it I can just use the waypoint that seamoth has as a glorified beacon - a worse one even since I can’t change the name of it

On the plus side me making a new seamoth gave me the chance to also make a prawn suit so now I got that too

[scenic wigeon]

Dead By Daylight
a.k.a
Nemesis will be scarier here than he is in RE3MAKE

[wraith cradle]

Godm so many games to play :/

[polar dragon]

and yet nothing to play stares at my backlog

[wraith cradle]

I have a problem that once I finish a game I need a cooldown period to mull over it

[acoustic jacinth]

that's so true, for a good book or a good game. you need downtime afterwards to reflect on your experiences and on the meaning of life in general

[scenic wigeon]

you guys reflect on the meaning of life after you play video games?

wow I just beat Paw Patrol: on a Roll, I'm gonna have an existential crisis

/j

[acoustic jacinth]

lol i was thinking more along the lines of pyre

[polar dragon]

I reflect on the absurdity and fleetingness of life every time I drop a long line in Tetris. Look at that, all of that work to create a tetris setup and yet we derive pleasure not from seeing it built up but for it to disappear. In fact, the more often it disappears, the better. Is that what life is? Putting so much effort into setting up the perfect career, family but somehow we always have that urge of self destruction?
Oh the absurdity. Truly there is no game more philosophical than Tetris.

[acoustic jacinth]

seeing a good story through to the end has me thinking about life in general. finishing a bad story does not have the same affect: i’m more likely to find something better as soon as i can

[acoustic jacinth]

tetris, the pinnacle of gaming

[polar dragon]

this, but also kinda unironically.

[sonic berry]

Danganronpa was this for me too, even though its elevator pitch doesn't show it

If we do get another SGG VN I'll be over the moon

[fathom juniper]

FOLKS

holy macaroni

thanks for the help
turns out that children of morta is...
exactly what i was looking for

it's actually really, really good

i mean - hell - it gives me more diablo vibes than diablo 3 did

and it's one hell of a couch co-op game
and it clearly takes a lot of inspiration from SGGs
so it checks all the boxes

thanks again @fervent gyro

[fathom juniper]

oh...
ooohh noooo...
look what they did

look what they did to my boi!

MAH BOAH!

[sonic berry]

Hah. Not many times you get to see Ace Combat asking for recommendations. Even fewer times he'll like it so much

[fathom juniper]

excuse me
i'm a 2d cutout of that ace combat 7 DOG

you know the one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UODHn16eSZo

even though it should be ace combat PNG dog
cause jay-pegs don't have alpha channel

[sonic berry]

No I didn't
So then. Maybe...
what's the better way to shorten your name?

[fathom juniper]

iunno

[dire warren]

tfw your friend plays a game well-known for getting you attatched to characters then killing them off brutally and you just hope they don't have it as bad as you did

then you ask them their favourites...

[fathom juniper]

naaah mate aerith totally lives, play ff7 it's a good game

[wraith cradle]

Danganronpa?

[fathom juniper]

nier

oh wait - i know
it's either xcom or...
||DEFCON||

can't go any higher than that
literally EVERYBODY dies there

go play it if you like it when games make you feel really, really uncomfortable

[dire warren]

yeah... they've got an absolutely cracking top 3 of ||none make it to chapter 2||

[fathom juniper]

https://youtu.be/hivXo-0zMvE?t=653

wow - i'm getting some serious diablo 2 vibes here

and those are some damn good vibes

[twin yarrow]

well, Night in the woods, Nier Automata, What remains of Edit Finch, Soma.. For me were about existential crisis from the beginning

But I'm easy to get sentimental, even some random mmo quests can make me think a lot

[fathom juniper]

add to this that one scene from TNC and you're on point there

and sh2, maybe
and... any of the SGG games now that i think about it

[twin yarrow]

My friend was literally crying for two days after Pyre

[fathom juniper]

🏀

[wraith cradle]

TNC?

[fathom juniper]

wolfenstein 2: the new collosus
which is either a second, a third, a seventh, or ninth game in the series - depending on how you look at things

[scenic wigeon]

yeha I get that

I feel that sometimes

[fathom juniper]

[fathom juniper]

actually - let me scratch that and say TNO
which stands for wolfenstein: the new order
which is either a first, a fifth or a seventh game in the series
WOW this series is dumb

[fervent gyro]

I recommend This War of Mine (especially Stories) and Frostpunk for some deep post-game reflections regarding life & humanity (& morality). I cried so hard after first part of This War of Mine Stories...

[wraith cradle]

Finish Omori and you won't stop thinking on the game for a week

[fathom juniper]

only a week?

that's kinda weeak

[scenic wigeon]

how do you delete other people's comments

[steady otter]

be a mod

[scenic wigeon]

hello? Moderators? I can make the server cringe free

[fathom juniper]

• Yes, officer. This post right there *

[polar dragon]

I thought you were my little pogchamp. It turns out... It turns out... You are cringe.

[tall hornet]

"little pogchamp" implies the existence of "big pogchamp"

[remote marsh]

What

[sonic berry]

Furthermore, "my little pogchamp" abbreviates to ||MLP||

[dire saffron]

and virgin mary implies the existence of chad mary

[remote marsh]

What

[dire condor]

How dare you?

[tall hornet]

Truu

[fathom juniper]

a round of applause for this gentleman right there
holy guacamole

anyway - back to video games

[remote marsh]

No let's stay on this topic

I want to hear more

[polar dragon]

Chad Mary must be Magdalene, right?
This is still pokemon because this game exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4fuMh25GiA

[fathom juniper]

aaaaaaaaaaaannnnd here is where i do my magic and somehow connect this weird topic back to oldschool FPS games

[lethal drift]

[fathom juniper]

watch this

• woosh *

there is a game called "super noahs ark 3d"
and it runs on the wolfenstein 3d engine

[polar dragon]

name me an old school game that actually feels good to control

that's right, you can't

[scenic wigeon]

Mario World?

Crash 3?

[remote marsh]

Tick tack toe felt pretty good

[dire saffron]

any traditional fighting game lol

like ive played sf2 and it still felt nice

[fathom juniper]

• inhales *

doom, doom 2, ultimate doom, final doom, doom64 * coughs *
quake 1, quake 2, quake 3, RTCW, half life and it's expansions, unreal, the build engine trinity
and with the power of sourceports (which is how most of them are played nowadays anyway) we can get more obscure stuff like powerslave, turok, chasm and so on
then after 2000 we can start with both serious sam games and keeeeeep going all the way up to 2020 depending on where you draw the line in "oldschool" with stuff like dusk, amid evil, viscerafest, ion fury, nightmare reaper (kinda) and blah blah blah

[remote marsh]

exhales

[fathom juniper]

i can keep going

like - putting my bias aside

[polar dragon]

i should try doom

[fathom juniper]

i think nineties FPSs are way more accessible than most people think
just bind your controls to WASD and you can play them pretty much the way you play most modern games

[polar dragon]

i thought you should use hjkl like a true chad

[remote marsh]

I use .oeu

[fathom juniper]

i slep

[remote marsh]

Goodnight ace combat jpeg dog

[polar dragon]

slep for movement?

that's next level

[remote marsh]

Well I'm not joking when I say I use .oeu

I switched keyboard layouts so all my controls are weird

[sonic berry]

We can't talk about controls and not mention the guy that escaped in Hades with an actual pom controller

[remote marsh]

They what

[fathom juniper]

• wakes up *

[fathom juniper]

oh you wanna talk about weird meme controllers?

let me show you something

[polar dragon]

oh your status is the eyeball thing from doom, nice

what's its name?

[remote marsh]

Eyeball thing from doom

[polar dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/846896033790689320/unknown.png

our lord and savior google strikes again.

[lethal drift]

nice

[fathom juniper]

cacodemon

[sonic berry]

Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEg3iC1O_HM
(I think he escapes on a video? But this is just playing)

[fathom juniper]

anyway gimme a minute here i can't find it

[remote marsh]

Nice

[fathom juniper]

aw dang it
the video i wanted to show you is now private

[polar dragon]

I want to make a prediction. In 10-15 years, you can use a Chromebook to play most games with Cloud services.
Personally built rigs are only necessary if you want to play in VR with actual motion tracking.

[lethal drift]

This wasn't my lock-on pomegranate

[fathom juniper]

anyways

[remote marsh]

They don't escape on that video but I'm watching a video where they beat em4 with the pom controller and it is epic

[lethal drift]

lock-on pomegranate isn't as funny as lock-on banana

[sonic berry]

Must be the one I saw the first time

[remote marsh]

Did you say banana controller

[lethal drift]

banana controller

[remote marsh]

Nice

https://youtu.be/vq3NyBt__PE

[lethal drift]

banana is just a really funny fruit

pomegranate. not so much

[polar dragon]

banana is a berry
strawberry is not a berry

[lethal drift]

what about Gerry Berry? Is he a berry?

[polar dragon]

dude is just gone

[remote marsh]

I learned that from tiktok YouTube shorts

[fathom juniper]

https://youtu.be/vI7tWd7B3iI?t=196

[lethal drift]

he left?

[fathom juniper]

[remote marsh]

Finally, a useful video

[polar dragon]

they just stopped posting

[lethal drift]

ah ok

[fathom juniper]

that's not the one i wanted to show you but it will have to do

there was this one video where someone...
turned a toy trumpet into a controller and played doom with it because * memes *

but there wasn't enough buttons on it

[polar dragon]

it's funny how WASD is now a ubiquitous way to play FPS

[fathom juniper]

so the dude making it slapped a microphone inside and he literally had to doot to shoot

[lethal drift]

I prefer to move using wasd

[fathom juniper]

[polar dragon]

arrow keys aren't needed anymore

[remote marsh]

I use a steering wheel

To turn

And a gas pedal to go forward

[polar dragon]

big brain

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah?

do you use your steering wheel like that?
https://youtu.be/nluKKkjBpSA?t=490

• skkkrrrrrt *

[remote marsh]

yes

haha car go vroom vroom skrrt boom woosh

[sonic berry]

The drum controller cracks me up

[fathom juniper]

but yeah - if you wanna watch people playing games on some really weird hardware - check out the "it runs doom" trend
it's got people playing on basically anything that has a display
i've seen people playing it on tiny printer displays, earliest digital cameras from 1998, ATMs, billboards, watches, calculators, cars ||ey? ||, literal potatoes, osciloscopes, keyboards (as in - using a keyboard with tiny displays built in keys), lab equipment, karaoke machines, doom in doom (as in - a game ran in a game), and a whole piano... because why not https://youtu.be/sJu997jwBcA

it's... actually quite interesting read

[remote marsh]

Nice

[fathom juniper]

i mean - hell - not to long ago i've seen someone playing it in vanilla factorio
as in - some absolute mad lad made a chain of machines that can somehow do logic specific enough to built a game in it... and then he made because of course he did
AND THEN HE MADE A WORKING DISPLAY OUT OF CONVEYOR BELTS AND PLAYED ON IT

i... i can't...
i just can't

[remote marsh]

Well it probably only worked because of their gaming chair

[woven breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNevy8K618

Revolver Kojima

Revolver Kojima

-Revolver Kojima

[remote marsh]

Revolver Kojima

[dire condor]

Revolver Kojima

[fathom juniper]

[bleak coral]

https://twitter.com/pokemon/status/1397539085921800194?s=21

Pokémon (@Pokemon)

#PokemonLegendsArceus.
January 28, 2022.

🏔️🌅🌲 Preorders available now: https://t.co/8cj1aajObs

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[fathom juniper]

well sheeeeesh

turns out children of morta is really, really good

that rougelite mode?
that's just what i was looking for

it fills that hole left in my heart by diablo 3

and it turns out...
you can bind your keys! even on a controller!
10/10, Amerigo Vespucci approves

[steady otter]

I think I’ve forgotten what I’m actually supposed to do in subnautica cuz I’m basically just treating it like underwater Minecraft at this point

Gotta build that base up real nice

[woven breach]

I just watched recent RTgame's subnautica below zero highlights

I had some panic attacks

[wraith cradle]

You're supposed to escape Shadow

[wraith cradle]

It wasn't that good me but glad you're enjoying it

[steady otter]

But why would I ever want to escape?

It’s so calming there

I love being in the water

[remote marsh]

bruh

i dont like deep waters so i will never play subnautica

[steady otter]

Sure, some things want to eat me, but that’s how it is in the ocean IRL too

I guess I’m really bad at subnautica

[wraith cradle]

Funnily enough Below Zero is only Half-Subnautica

You spend MUCH MORE above water

[dire warren]

the monhun update is arright

the stories 2 stuff is beyond great. they've sorted out the major issues with the first game and keep showing new monsters and returning characters

the rise stuff is... not. next time they release another horrible knockoff deviant and dare to call it a major update i'm gonna cry. literally the best part of the whole update was the lil dragon outfit for your cohoot

[wraith magnet]

I s ranked 2 re8 stages yesterday

[steady otter]

Fun spoiler

I don’t mind - maybe I’ll remember to escape from that one when I get to that game then

[dire saffron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/784188140591775775/847115336565391400/unknown.png

i think thats more than a "knockoff deviant"

they only confirmed 2 monsters but wasnt there a "and more" on the monster reveal so assuming we get some more just shadowed like we did for bazel

also the valstrax is literally a new one

i dont see why youre even complaining about variety with monsters in the first place

would you rather just not have variation even if its just called apex

also new ending

yea thats much much more than just a "knockoff deviant"

also confirmed collabs and more dlc

theres little to no ground to complain

you make it sound like they only added val and apex zino but they did soooo much more

[rancid token]

I mean, it also bears mentioning that it's a free update

[dire warren]

sorry, let me rephrase
nothing interesting added

if the end fight is just both serpents together then that's really lackluster seeing as that's literally nothing new-done

the apexes are literally just lackluster versions of the 'strong monster' gimmick every other game had. one new rampage move each, and zero reason to actually fight them at all

i don't like val

like tbh the only thing i'd actually do of this patch is the event and dlc stuff if i wasn't a completionist
for that reason i'm not happy

[fathom juniper]

ok, alright
after playing it for like... 10 hours
there are some nits i'm ready to pick in children of morta
first of all - and this is a personal thing - there's no loot
at least give me a new shield or a sword or a bow or something
and second - this game is way too easy for a roguelite

it's not like... super easy
but when a scrub like me is able to finish the whole run on normal on his second attempt
and then finish hard on my first attempt (while fighting bosses i've never seen before) that means the difficulty needs some tweaking

[dire warren]

we still don't even have beta/gunner/whatever armours
or the monsters that were clearly meant to be in originally, like tetsu and zam

i just want frogs and fashion, instead all i'm getting is 'go crown farm the worse form of a monster so horrible that it triggers your ptsd from gu'

[shy cedar]

Is $16 for skyrim worth it on the PS5? idk if ill even like it. and i dont have a gaming PC

[steady otter]

Skyrim is a classic

And for 16$ it’s neat

[wraith cradle]

Talking about Skyrim

Today is a millestone

[steady otter]

Oh?

[wraith cradle]

Warning: Existential crisis incoming

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2FamVEXoAEyB7r?format=jpg&name=large

[steady otter]

You say that like it’s something new

[wraith cradle]

Ok, Not TODAY

But this week

[steady otter]

What about that picture is supposed to induce an existential crisis?

[wraith cradle]

Morrowind was my Childhood and this image is making me feel too old

[steady otter]

Aah

My childhood didn’t include morrowind

I was..

6?

[wraith cradle]

Yeah it was like my third pc game ever

[junior crown]

smh it was my birthday that was the milestone

[shy cedar]

so you recommend skyrim , i assume?

[steady otter]

I turned 7 that year

[wraith cradle]

I mean Skyrim is a great game yes

So I recomend it

[steady otter]

It’s a classic

It’s on just about everything

[wraith cradle]

Granted The other 2 haven't aged that well in gameplay terms

[steady otter]

And you always find something to amuse yourself with

[shy cedar]

i know you can mod it on ps5. i dont plan on going too crazy with it, maybe just quality of life stuff and graphics

[steady otter]

For me it’s Trying Not To Steal Every Book Ever

It’s a struggle

[shy cedar]

but idk if ill like the gameplay of skyrim. its combat isnt praised by everyone is it?

[steady otter]

I was raised by skooma smuggling khajiit

It’s in my blood to take things that don’t belong to me

[steady otter]

It’s more about exploration imo

[wraith cradle]

Yeah about forgetting the main quest and doing your thing

[steady otter]

I’ve never finished the main quest..

There’s just so much else to do!

[wraith cradle]

I did once

[steady otter]

Also, I need to stop challenging giants when I’m under lvl 10

[wraith cradle]

TBH is not that memorable

Loved the DLC tho

Specially Dawnguard

[steady otter]

Takes so long to kill them

[shy cedar]

so if i enjoyed witcher 3 even tho hating its combat, ill probably like skyrim?

[steady otter]

Mhmm

Prolly

It’s a fun world

[junior crown]

eeeeeh

maybe

[wraith cradle]

Skyrim is more open about how to go on combat tho

[mystic wave]

witcher has good writing at least

[steady otter]

Read the books

[shy cedar]

yea im sure witcher 3 combat is more streamlined and focused comparatively

[wraith cradle]

While Gerard is almost mainly a Swordsman with magic cincoctions to fall on

[steady otter]

Don’t go through Skyrim without reading some of the books

[wraith cradle]

Skyrim has much more Combat styles

[shy cedar]

you mean like actual books, or in game book lore? lol

[steady otter]

In game books

Dang I can’t even mention one of them in here

I think

Let’s hide just in case

Like ||the lusty argonian maid|| series - it’s actually pretty fun poetry

[wraith cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xqfC80SRGU

Todd Howard cracks me up

[steady otter]

If you can call it poetry

[wraith cradle]

I haven't opened that link because I already know what's behind it

[steady otter]

But there’s so many books in Skyrim - I wasn’t kidding when I said I try not to steal every book ever

[wraith cradle]

Spoiler*

[steady otter]

[junior crown]

Skyrim is an experience for sure

[steady otter]

I once had a companion that was only carrying books

Cuz I kept stealing them

And then forgetting to go home

Anyways

Today in subnautica

I made my base even bigger, keep feeling like I’m forgetting about something important, got the final cyclops blueprint parts & made a moonpool

[junior crown]

also that does remind me, if you are fan or well interested in the elder scroll series there is a nice analysis series on it

https://youtu.be/1_y0Iaq3k_Q

[steady otter]

Also, my prawn suit almost got eaten by a reaper, but I somehow was just standing enough inside a wreck for it to not hit me, so I survived

[junior crown]

which is in total 4 hours

[steady otter]

I then got warped out & killed by a warper

And then my switch ran out of power so the game force quit cuz I forgot to plug in the power

[wraith cradle]

Ok. Empire or Stormcloacks?

Empire personally

[steady otter]

So now it’s gonna be fun to see if I enter to the prawn suit being ok or it being far away XD

[junior crown]

Yes-Man

😎 see I dodged that question quite well

[steady otter]

Hmmm

So

I’m from the RL nordics so I feel like I should support the rebellion..

[shy cedar]

ill probably play skyrim last, since i expect it to be a huge neverending game lol

[steady otter]

But then I always end up playing khajiit so

[junior crown]

oh yeah skyrim is never ending

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah?
i've got something better here
gta vice city is perfectly in the middle between today and the time period it's set in

[steady otter]

I think I tend to follow the stormcloaks out of the tutorial, but then I get recruited by the empire & never commit to either

[junior crown]

literally since it has always generating qeusts

[fathom juniper]

we're... all so old

[wraith cradle]

It's more than never ending, Once you have done everything. You'll have forgotten the first runs so you have to start all over again to see everything

[steady otter]

Plus

You can do a new run for every race

To experience the different bonuses

I just happen to like night vision & claws + cats

And it fits my skooma smuggler backstory

[wraith cradle]

And then become the boss of every guild in Skyrim

Choose all outcomes in every world-based conflict

Get all romances 👀

[junior crown]

and then wonder why you can't be werewolf and vampire at the same time and scream at the sky for such unfairness

[shy cedar]

you know what, i might just wait till i get a gaming pc in a few years to play skyrim. im seeing these ultra high graphic mods for it on PC. i dont think you can pull those off on a ps5 can you ? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vODCWqV3MLY

[steady otter]

I wouldn’t know

I play on switch these days

I’ve experienced it looking good, now I just want it portable

Ah!!

I forgot my subnautica milestone!

I managed to scan a juvenile ghost leviathan
It’s so cute~~

It tried eating me twice, sure & almost ate my prawn suit too, but it was adorable & glowy & I’m still not sure how I found that place where it lives..
I think I just fell down a hole

[fathom juniper]

so it's an eldritch abomination from the deepest, uncharted reaches of earth
it's called "ghost leviathan"
it tried to eat you... twice
and it glows

sorry but nothing about this screams "cute" to me

[steady otter]

it's a Juvenile

||https://preview.redd.it/9jk57xthg0011.png?auto=webp&s=a3bbba8923eca68cb313b24053c9fd78708f4c5d||

it's cute

[fathom juniper]

[steady otter]

if it's any consolation I tend to think deadly = cute

[fathom juniper]

[remote marsh]

Cute

[fathom juniper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/178961972799209472/610808679771537418/doot2.gif

• doots *

[twin yarrow]

skyrim is not the best game, but you'll come back to it again and again

bc you know, that a part of your soul is out there, among forests and rivers

was so excited to visit it again, 800 years before, 7 years later in TESO.. it still has the atmosphere

shame there's no Whiterun though

[shy cedar]

Ive decided ill wait till i get a gaming pc in a few years to play skyrim. its cheaper on pc and ill get more mods

ty for all of your answers! i ended up purchasing persona 5 royale and titanfall 2 for $31 total.

[mystic wave]

persona pog

who knew a jrpg about jungian concepts could be so good

[wraith cradle]

As cool as the JRPG about Gnosticism

[shy cedar]

idk what either of those mean but i look forward to it lol

[wraith cradle]

Xenogears

[shy cedar]

any major news about any hades updates btw? or any idea if hades will ever come to mobile or other consoles?

[stable kindle]

hades questions go in #h1-discussion , but to answer your question, no. if they announce anything major it will pop up in #announcements. further content updates are unlikely as hades is ultimately a finished narrative experience, not an ongoing one. that's not to say content is never coming, as no one knows whether it will or not besides supergiant, but they usually move on to a new project when they finish a game.

[fresh crag]

https://preview.redd.it/2jfrugd4r2t51.png?auto=webp&s=617263d9522825e92b856e2777f0728800899686

[lethal drift]

hats

[woven breach]

Hats

[scenic wigeon]

https://imgur.com/MchT3uL

this is my chance to make history

[woven breach]

Do it

I believe in you

[bleak coral]

https://twitter.com/nibellion/status/1397765417268092931?s=21

Nibel (@Nibellion)

DRAGON QUEST 12: THE FLAME OF FATE #DQ35th

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Likes

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Twitter · May 27, 2021, 4:03 AM

[wraith cradle]

Yes, yeeeeeeesh

[hybrid jetty]

here's hoping this one learns from 11 and has a good soundtrack

[rancid token]

Just get a new composer who isn't a complete dingus

[fathom juniper]

"a complete dingus"

and now i wanna watch dankpods again

[rancid token]

Yeah he's pretty Not Great despite being a talented composer

[fathom juniper]

not great?
i love him

never fails to cheer me up

[rancid token]

Considering he's the entire reason DQ11 sounds bad to begin with, dude needs to get his head out of his rear

[fathom juniper]

oh
OH!

god i'm

i didn't know who you're replying to

[woven breach]

Lmao

[fervent gyro]

Save & Sound Festival starts soon, I'm curious how it's gonna look like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUK3Q3DDtM
https://www.saveandsound.io/

[scenic wigeon]

https://imgur.com/EhJnZar

[slender kiln]

ALRIGHT GAMERS! MODS YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAG EVERYONE FOR THIS.

i have a lot of spare humble bundle keys. Like, a lot. Part of this is because I used to buy humble bundles when the entire bundle was cheaper than a single game I wanted to buy. What this means is that the vast majority of the keys here I don't want and have no use for, but it's possible I might have missed a cool game or two that I do want.

So, I've compiled a list of all the unredeemed keys I have. Basically, tell me which game you want, i'll google it to see if it looks like a game I'll want to play. If it isn't, I'll gladly give you the key :)

If you want a game, ping me or dm me

A Virus Named Tom
AI War: Fleet Command
Ballistick
Beat Hazard Ultra
Chroma Squad
Dangerous High School Girls in Trouble
Day of the Tentacle
Double Fine Adventure Documentary
Downtown Drift
Draw Your Game
Dusty Revenge: Co-Op Edition
Ellipsis
GRAV (Early Access)
Girls Like Robots
Guacamelee Super Turbo Championship Edition
Guacamelee! Gold Edition
Guns of Icarus Online
Hot Tin Roof: The Cat That Wore A Fedora Deluxe
Human Resource Machine
Invisible, Inc.
JumpJet Rex
Luna's Wandering Stars
Monster Loves You
Mushroom 11
Neverwinter: Vestments of the Wind Pack
Ninja Pizza Girl
No Time to Explain
Octodad Dadliest Catch
Potatoman Seeks the Troof
Q.U.B.E: Director's Cut
ROCKETSROCKETSROCKETS
Red Horizon
Retro Game Crunch
Reveal your Perfect World key
Reveal your Perfect World key
Rituals
Robot Roller-Derby Disco Dodgeball
Rocket Birds: Hardboiled Chicken
Secrets of Raetikon
Song of the Deep
Spirits
Sproggiwood
Star Trek Online: Federation Elite Starter Pack
Streamline Early Access
Super Galaxy Squadron EX
Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP
System Shock Pack
THE TEAR
TIMEframe
Team Indie
The Stanley Parable
The Swapper
Thirty Flights of Loving
Tower of Guns
Waking Mars
World of Goo
shutshimi```

```REDEEMED GAMES:
Dead by Daylight - Curtain Call
Nuclear Throne

[polar dragon]

I don't want any of the games but thanks for doing this.

[wraith cradle]

Anyone watching Horizon state of play?

https://youtu.be/wLR5gaQNQBk

10 minutes left

[fathom juniper]

it's not really my kind of thing, but...
eh
what the hell
i'll give it a shot

[wraith cradle]

Starting

[fathom juniper]

um, mr. mathias?
are you a ventriloquist?

or is your audio out of sync?

[steady otter]

I think I’ll watch it later

When I’m more awake

[wraith cradle]

The game is set in Californis so we may see the ruins of SGG studio in there

[fathom juniper]

well it sure is... pretty

but the screen is so busy my eyes have a hard time making out the details

[steady otter]

Just turn off live chat

[wraith cradle]

Our boi is back

[steady otter]

Nil?

[wraith cradle]

Erend

[steady otter]

I don’t remember him =w=

[fathom juniper]

look at all those milions of dollarydoos just being thrown at the screen

[wraith cradle]

He was one of the two maybe love interests to Aloy

[steady otter]

Explains why I don’t remember him

[polar dragon]

romance in my vidya gaem?

[steady otter]

My Aloy is like me - ace

Until the game forces something

[wraith cradle]

She doesn't romance anyone in HZD but the only two characters she doesn't rebuke the advamces is Erend and Vanasha

That's why the maybe

As she outright shuts down any other person that hits on her

[fathom juniper]

ok, im gonna get some flack for asking this, but...
am i the only one who utterly hates this current trend of protagonists constantly talking to themselves only to state the most obvious things to us?
stuff that doesn't need explaining?

[steady otter]

I do that irl

[wraith cradle]

This is a VERY heavily scripted sequence tho

[steady otter]

So I don’t notice it in the game

[fathom juniper]

like - i don't mind protags talking to themselves during gameplay - i mean, hell - max payne did that as far back as 2001 and it did it well

[wraith cradle]

Also I got a chuckle when she talked in the water

Underwater

[polar dragon]

I don't mind as long as the frequency is low

for example, I don't need to hear The wind's howling for 50th time Geralt

[steady otter]

Unless I see lips moving it’s an internal monologue

[fathom juniper]

but it was always to give us a glimpse of his character
and the choice of words was always more interesting than "oh that's done - i gotta go back to do x"

just so that the player doesn't forget in those like... 30 seconds of combat

[wraith cradle]

Shepard: Gotta go

[polar dragon]

oh that's done - i gotta go back to do x
OK, I don't mind that. My goldfish brain can't remember most things.

[steady otter]

Ye, this lets player I watched do HZD kept forgetting what she was supposed to do all the time

She was very happy for the constant reminders

[fathom juniper]

LOOK AT THIS MARY POPPINS UMBRELLA

ok - i liked that

[polar dragon]

Also Aloy just Legolas-ed the heck out of that elephant

[wraith cradle]

That counted as one

[polar dragon]

I wish I can play that cinematically

[wraith cradle]

That ending was cheesy af

Literal storm You always said a storm is coming

[polar dragon]

A storm also comes.

[wraith cradle]

I love how they don't even pretend that's a twist

[polar dragon]

also I don't like her new "skirt"

the old outfit was fire

this one is too leafy

[fathom juniper]

what's this dude's name again?

erin?

[polar dragon]

Eren?

[fathom juniper]

i bet he's got some fetch quests for you in this game
he's gonna make you run some Erends

[wraith cradle]

Erend

[polar dragon]

also Chrono Trigger is fire yo

[wraith cradle]

He was the third/fourth character with most screentime in the game

[polar dragon]

even 25 years later

[steady otter]

Ok, today in subnautica:

Found some more wrecks w good databanks
Stumbled into an ominous area where there’s apparently multiple leviathans..
Made some alien tanks so now I can hatch eggs yay

And I got killed 3 times by plants because I didn’t notice that if I just stood still a while after getting hurt my hp recovered >.>

I have yet again failed to make any effort towards escaping this planet & now my base looks even prettier

[fathom juniper]

wait
is that... the whole thing?

is that it?

[polar dragon]

yup lol

[fathom juniper]

i slep

[wraith cradle]

They already 15 min tho

[fathom juniper]

this sort of stuff clearly isn't for me

[wraith cradle]

Quick reminder that the first Issue of the Horizon Zero Dawn Comicbook is in fact free-for-all

[polar dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJ8T9nC2xY

Can I have an Amen in the chat?

[wraith cradle]

Amen

[fathom juniper]

i mean
i flippin hate video games too

what am i even doing here?
viddy gaems are dumb

brb gonna go and play some children of morta

[stable kindle]

no one hates games more than gamers

[polar dragon]

kinda true xD

especially true for League players.

[stable kindle]

i would say thats just a given for most live service models. when i was more active with mmos during the 2000s thats was a popular sentiment with certain games too, no one hated them more than the people playing them

[junior crown]

Think this is true mostly since you know the fact they are more likely to be changed around constantly and updated to have new stuff which can break the current set up of the game or not.

[steady otter]

The nerfs..

[fathom juniper]

nah - i just hate a lot of those modern trends in the AAA industry
especially considering how lately sony loves to indulge in like...
all of them, basically

[steady otter]

I’m not sure I’ll ever escape this planet

It’s so relaxing just sitting & watching my alien containment unit

[polar dragon]

The power creep.

[fathom juniper]

just give elon musk a few more years
he's gonna yeet us to mars in his tesla cars
and we're all gonna get in on it as long as his shodan AI keeps feeding us those procedurally generated memes

[steady otter]

Ive mostly only experienced nerfs

[fathom juniper]

return tickets not included

[polar dragon]

I love how old League champs are like simple and straight forward, and new ones have their skill descriptions as long as a novel.

[steady otter]

I understood maybe 30% of that statement

[fathom juniper]

same

[steady otter]

Why would I wanna go to Mars anyways

There’s no ocean there

[polar dragon]

Elon Musk is a bad person.

[steady otter]

If you say so

I mean

Why would I want to leave this planet anyways?!

I’m at least 3m credits in debt

[dire condor]

Well, we're on our way to make it really hostile to human life.

[fathom juniper]

free demons to shoot without any of those pesky moral dilemmas and stuff

[steady otter]

And It’s only been rising since then I bet

[steady otter]

???

[fathom juniper]

it's a doom thing don't worry about it

[steady otter]

I’m talking about leaving subnautica planet

Not earth >.>

Why would you try to escape knowing you’ll only be in debt when you’re perfectly capable of surviving & living on your own on this beautiful ocean planet

[polar dragon]

alone on a foreign planet is, well, lonely

[fathom juniper]

i mean...

• looks out the window *
  there's people here

and last time i checked there's no people on mars
only demons

so the choice is obvious

[sonic berry]

No SGG games on Mars either

[fathom juniper]

just pack a laptop

[sonic berry]

Are you coming back to download the new games as they're released?

[stable kindle]

200 years

[fathom juniper]

i mean...
of the curiosity rover had connection to nasa's... stuff

[polar dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmXEThTtwaM

[fathom juniper]

surely elon senpai would be able to get you at least a dial up there

[polar dragon]

This guy makes sense

[steady otter]

Nah

You got alien fishy friends

Who needs people

[polar dragon]

are they friends if they try to kill you?

[steady otter]

Yes

They’re just teeny tiny murder machines

Doesn’t mean they can’t be friends

[sonic berry]

For a moment I thought you were talking about cats

[steady otter]

Exactly

Cats be the same

My cat loves to bite & scratch me if I do something wrong - like petting him when he doesn’t want that

Doesn’t mean I love him any less

He too cute

[wraith cradle]

Anyone knows what game this gif is?

https://i.imgur.com/56ikeZc.gif

[sonic berry]

FC6? (just guessing; aesthetic and petting reminds me of FC. Also the pixelated snoote and the person's clothes and woody background)

[sleek quiver]

Recently started playing the Borderlands Collection on my Switch, and I hate to say this, but it feels… underwhelming. Enemies are bullet sponges, and some of them moves way too mobile. Is this how the franchise has always been? Is this game even made with gamepad in mind? Is there something I’m missing here?

[rancid token]

BL1 plays like hot garbage imo

The weapon feedback is nonexistent and enemies are very spongy

2 is much better in that regard, and TPS is even better than that

1 doesn't even have unique manufacturer gimmicks

[wraith cradle]

1 has nice XPacs tho

[rancid token]

Honestly as much as I clown on 3 for bad writing it's the best gameplay the series has

Interesting and varied hunters and builds, gunplay actually feels good, sliding and mantling is a welcome addition, kicking barrels away with melee is great

[clear python]

The worst thing about BL1 is the fov of like 60 or sth

And you hack your way around that

[sleek quiver]

It seems I’m not alone then. All that said though, I do see the addictiveness of it though, playing BL1, the game gently pushes you forward to keep playing it for the loot, which is nice imo, but I think that was the only thing that kept me playing for a few more hours. Chapter 2 and I finally dropped it, for now

[rancid token]

Like I said, 2 is much, much better

[wraith cradle]

2 for the time was incredible

[dire condor]

I played through 2 two years ago and it holds up.

They really hit their sweet spot on the tone.

The game's atmosphere is pitch black the entire time through, it's awful to be on Pandora.

The thing is that it's played for comedy 95% of the time, and the writing is genuinely good.

Borderlands 2 is a very funny game.

But the dramatic writing is just as good. You spend 5 hours laughing your [REDACTED] off and then get gut punch and it's just immaculate.

I think it'll go down in history as one of the best in the genre.

[steady otter]

It’s another sad day
Once again my game crashed just after I’d done major changes to my base

I’ll take this as a sign to stop playing for now & get back to it tomorrow

[remote marsh]

Nice

[steady otter]

At least this time I know I’ll still have a base when I get back on

Just not the updated one

[dire condor]

At least it was right after the changes saved.

Oh.

[steady otter]

No

[dire condor]

This is awkward.

bloop

[remote marsh]

Oh

[steady otter]

It was just as I was making the last change

[dire condor]

Oh, I seem to have received a call.

[steady otter]

Just crash

Error has occurred

[sonic berry]

I think it was a message, Schpoon

[dire condor]

Ah, it was a Brooklyn 99 reference. I think Holt says he gets a call.

[sonic berry]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a message

[scenic wigeon]

wait what

alright let me give that another try

[fallen sky]

go kart man has once again been censored

[scenic wigeon]

*ahem*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHY CAN'T I poopPOST IN MIITOPIA WITHOUT AN NSO SUBSCRIPTION

[scenic wigeon]

every day 😔

I finally found a use for Miigaera and I don't even want to play the game anymore

[stable kindle]

hate that ninty jumped on the online sub train, we already pay for internet and games, why do we also have to pay to get online with those games

awful practice i wish would go away, these aren't mmos

[winter mica]

i was so surprised when i had to get a separate sub for online play with the switch

[scenic wigeon]

I wouldn't even be mad at this if this was a concept introduced with the demo

Spoiler Alert: IT WASN'T

[stable kindle]

it's just a general consumer unfriendly practice that only exists to squeeze more money from customers xbox has been doing it from the very beginning and does offer some great deals so i can let them slide with it but ninty..... no excuse

[scenic wigeon]

don't they do that because servers are expensive to run?

[stable kindle]

absolutely bonkers to me that people have normalized paying an additional fee to use online features for the game they purchased on the internet connection they already pay for

[scenic wigeon]

and even then if you got some cool deals with it I don't think it's that bad

the problem is when it's crappy and I hate it

[stable kindle]

nintendo only owns some of the most profitable ip in the world, i don't know what to tell you. yeah any game server is expensive to run, regardless of the game but it's nintendo

at the end of the day they are still a business like any other, c'est la vie i guess

[scenic wigeon]

well neither of us have the know-how to run these kinds of servers or the maintenance required so I can't really speak on this issue with a clear perspective

I can, however, speak as a consumer
and in that regard I don't like it

[stable kindle]

honestly at this point i frankly don't care what it takes to run them and do upkeep, im just inherently against the practice of paying for an online service on top of paying full price 40-60 for games. That's the issue. that's my gripe.

[scenic wigeon]

dangit everythime'

[scenic wigeon]

fair gripe

👍

I'm gonna go see if I can have multiple save files so I can maybe play this game but instead of poopposting I sub in my friends/people I know

and if that doesn't work I will be sufficiently and utterly disappointed

[stable kindle]

may i suggest trash posting as an alternate server friendly phrase that doesn't look as silly lol

[scenic wigeon]

poopposting is funny though

[stable kindle]

😭

[scenic wigeon]

I like it

[winter mica]

i mean idk how expensive server upkeep is but i feel like they'd still be making hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars a yr or however much they make even without premium services

[stable kindle]

again like, ninty only owns some of the most profitable ip in the world, i really don't have any sympathy for whatever their server costs are lol im just a consumer disgruntled at more and more things in my life being monetized as the years go on

[dire condor]

damn

nintendo just wants to make money like other companies

[stable kindle]

yeah that's kinda what companies are ultimately out to do

[winter mica]

and they are. they are making lots and lots of money

[stable kindle]

they're not our friends

[scenic wigeon]

yeah it's a harsh fact of life

[winter mica]

in 2021 they made 5.6 billion

[scenic wigeon]

wait WHAT

[scenic wigeon]

y'know I kinda want to bring up a point here but it'd just be kinda fruitless in the long run unless someone pulls up a document of where their spending goes I dunno

[winter mica]

i mean idk where their spending goes but like this is an unfathomable amount of money

it is more than covering whatever they're spending

[lusty pendant]

people crunched the numbers on pokemon bank/home and it's like orders of magnitude less than what GDrive/Dropbox gives for free

[stable kindle]

i think the gaming industry as a whole saw huge profits since last year due to everyone being stuck at home lol

[dire condor]

why does nintendo even want money like they have money to support everyone for whole lifetimes

[stable kindle]

shareholders

[scenic wigeon]

yeah those guys

[dire condor]

just make 8bil and shutdown

lmao

[scenic wigeon]

willing to bet they wanted NSO

on my life

alright so yeah I'm pretty upset rn

I'm gonna go complain some more to people who don't care alright see y'all later

[polar dragon]

"If you can afford to make less, make less." - says no one ever.

When a company's worth (and the economy in general) is based on growth, things go downhill quickly because that stuff isn't sustainable.

[steady otter]

the thing about earning money is that you don't just want money to repay what you've spent to earn that money
you also want money to save up in case of emergency or a bad year or any number of other things
and then it's the money that goes to people too

and then you have the possible leftover money

and money put into research & development

R&D is important

[polar dragon]

Yes. But you can do all that and not having to resort to scummy tactics.

[sleek quiver]

Depends

[polar dragon]

Earning profits obviously is the goal of every business. But the expectation of earning increasing profit every year is stupid, and yet here we are.

[sleek quiver]

When you only make enough to sustain, you’re not growing

And growth is what it’s all about

[polar dragon]

Growing in term of what?

I'm talking about growing profit

Not RnD

[steady otter]

that's the goal though.. to earn more & more..

do they have bad ways of doing it? yes

is it stupid? no

is it unrealistic? maybe

[polar dragon]

It is stupid because it's so nearsighted.

[sleek quiver]

When we’re talking about earnings, we’re really just talking about revenue. Profit is a different story

Because profit means different things depending on what the company is pursuing

[polar dragon]

Profit = Revenue - Cost

[sleek quiver]

You can put RnD with profit money

[polar dragon]

No you can't and you shouldn't

[sleek quiver]

Or you can put it in the books as costs

[polar dragon]

RnD is part of cost, always has been.

[sleek quiver]

That really depends on what is actually being RnD’d

[steady otter]

I think maybe we should move this

[polar dragon]

Anyway, this is too far from vidya gaem

[sleek quiver]

We can say RnD but it can really mean so many different things as we really look into company records

I’m sorry if I’m overboard and going off channel topic

Gen chat?

[scenic wigeon]

what have I done /j

[polar dragon]

Yeah

[fervent gyro]

Hmm, NFS Heat is on sale now, anyone played it? I was thinking about getting it for a while now...

[steady otter]

what's that

[elder arrow]

need for speed

[steady otter]

racing?

[elder arrow]

also nba 2k20 is free on epic lol

[elder arrow]

yes

20 or 21 I can't recall

[sleek quiver]

@dire condor saying that I feel like it is being tiresome for me. I don’t hate it, but I’m finding it hard to continue on

Like I’ve said, it’s probably that roguelikes has spoiled me too much

[elder arrow]

has anyone here played realm of the mad god exalt

I played some of it and couldn't really get into it

[dire condor]

How do you feel about that aspect in Hades?

[sleek quiver]

I complete a 20min run on Hades and I move on with my day

[lethal drift]

Speaking of roguelites. Ever heard of Getsu Fuuma Den?

[polar dragon]

Yup. Seen some gameplay, looks very DC inspired to me.

[lethal drift]

Played like two hours of it. P good

[sleek quiver]

Saw Haelian playing it, looks cool but I’m gonna wait for full release to really get into watching or playing it

[polar dragon]

I didn't enjoy DC as much. (As in I did enjoy it, just not as much as other Rogue)

[lethal drift]

Ah well

[elder arrow]

dc

[sleek quiver]

If it’s anything like DC, I’ll probably gonna like it, that’s all I can say for now

[elder arrow]

what is dc

[lethal drift]

Dark Coals

[steady otter]

dead cells

[elder arrow]

ah

[sleek quiver]

Dead Cells

[elder arrow]

okay

[polar dragon]

Witcher 3: Came for the story/graphics, stayed for the story/graphics.
Hades: Came for the gameplay, stayed for the gameplay.

[elder arrow]

dark coals yes

[polar dragon]

District of Columbia

[lethal drift]

Dangan Cumbia

[steady otter]

I just made cthulhu

[elder arrow]

m a d e ?

[polar dragon]

Pic or it didn't happen

[elder arrow]

drawn?

yes

[steady otter]

it seems if you combine the universe with monster you get cthulhu

[lethal drift]

Wriggle wriggle

[dire condor]

So basically you like to play your games in short bursts?

[polar dragon]

Literally ||the ending of Darkest Dungeon||

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546456562433130509/847735311672410112/image0.png

[elder arrow]

what game

[steady otter]

little alchemy 2 with the myths & monsters upgrade

it's just a little game where you combine elements to make new things

[sleek quiver]

Yeah, pretty good loops for me, right now I’m focusing on a couple more games and that short loops works for me

[elder arrow]

I see

[dire condor]

understandable

[sleek quiver]

I think I remember tentacles with Cthulhu

[lethal drift]

It's cute

[steady otter]

hmmm... so I could combine evil with immortality & get a demon

but I can't combine good & immortality

I wonder how I make angels

[polar dragon]

I'm checking out Chrono Trigger for the first time yesterday and boy. It does live up to its reputation.

[steady otter]

aaaah

[polar dragon]

The game feels modern, somehow

[steady otter]

combine demon with good

ofc

[elder arrow]

is little alchemy 1 better or 2

[lethal drift]

Two pairs of Wings, and two rings

You get an Ophanim

[steady otter]

they're both fun, but 2 is maybe better?

[sleek quiver]

Chrono Trigger really is ahead of it’s time

[elder arrow]

hmm

[polar dragon]

It really does.

[lethal drift]

I wish Chrono Trigger was on NSO

[polar dragon]

My mind was blown when the racing sequence happened.

[sleek quiver]

Is Chrono Trigger even on the Switch?

[polar dragon]

I mean it's very barebone racing, but still

I don't think so? It's available on Steam and Mobile

[sleek quiver]

Damn, no Crono on Switch

[polar dragon]

Afaik they are ok now, bugs are fixed, graphics are tweaked, etc.

[sleek quiver]

I remembered playing it first on mobile, it’s good there

[lethal drift]

Oh on mobile. Interesting

[sleek quiver]

If only the App Store purchases aren’t Apple exclusive

[lethal drift]

Shame

[polar dragon]

Do we talk about Epic vs. Apple

[lethal drift]

Epoch

[dire condor]

@sleek quiver whats ur favorite video game of all time?

[sleek quiver]

It’s over, right? Verge says it’s over lol

[lethal drift]

It's not over till someone ||holds hands||

[polar dragon]

They trial is over but the verdict isn't.

[polar dragon]

How lewd

[sleek quiver]

Erm, hard to say, but if we’re going to talk about my childhood days, probably Final Fantasy games. I’ve played all the classics ones up to FFIX, and am thinking of buying FFX and FFXII soon

[dire condor]

Noice which one is ur favorite

Id say my favorite of all time is Breath of the Wild

[sleek quiver]

FFIX

[lethal drift]

Never played much FF

[dire condor]

nice

[winter mica]

ffta2 is SO good

[polar dragon]

I am loving Chrono Trigger so FF is up next.

[sleek quiver]

Ohh, FF Tactics

[winter mica]

minus the horrific trap mechanic and the uhhhh transphobia

[sleek quiver]

Played all 3 too

[steady otter]

I think my fave game of all time is Tetris, cuz I can always count on it & return to it

and there's always new versions of it popping up

[polar dragon]

Based.

[steady otter]

and I've been playing tetris since I was 2-3 years old

[winter mica]

i didn't play 1 but i started with 2, which i loved, although i don't think id like it that much these days

[sleek quiver]

FFT is weird because the best one gameplay-wise is the newest one, FFTA2, but the most favorite’d one is the classic FFT

[dire condor]

Solid choice

[winter mica]

i tried playing the original quite awhile ago, but couldn't get into it. but i might like it now that im older

[sleek quiver]

It lacks the modern touches of today’s gaming. Story-wise, it’s really good, very serious war story tones

[winter mica]

the story gets lightened up as the games go along, it seems

im so disappointed there will never be another one though :(

[polar dragon]

Most hour game?

[sleek quiver]

It is. No comment, because objectively, I like all 3

Across a franchise or one specific title?

[polar dragon]

Mine is League, for better or for worse. And then probably Starcraft II

Specific title

[steady otter]

probably Tetris

[polar dragon]

I no longer enjoy either of which

[sleek quiver]

Probably Dead Cells

[steady otter]

considering how long I've been playing it - how many years

[winter mica]

definitely ffta2. ive played penalty about 500 or 600 hrs on it. this is over many years, however

[sleek quiver]

Hundreds of Dead Cells hours both on mobile and Switch

[winter mica]

hell maybe like 700?

ive had it since it first came out

i always play it the exact same way too

[sleek quiver]

The FFTA games really do need a port tbh

No ports yet

While FFT is thriving on mobile, the latest platform it’s on lol

[winter mica]

i think they'd do well as ports

i might get the mobile fft actually

have you tried it? does it hold up well? @sleek quiver

[sleek quiver]

It’s good, as far as mobile ports go. Controls are a bit janky, but that’s to be expected. Heard controller support is there but haven’t tried it. All in all, I think it is the latest platforms the game is officially available on, the last one before this was on the PSP

So, it’s not like we have much of a choice

[winter mica]

i actually have a psp somewhere lmao and i did have the name at some point..... the name might be at my parents' or i sold out when i got rid of a bunch of games in high school

[sleek quiver]

I will just say that it will be very nice to play it on a PSP lol

[winter mica]

man i am looking it up on ebay out of curiousity

ffta2 is going for a Lot

i mean not a Lot-a lot but $50 is nothing to sneeze at

[woven breach]

I still have my PSP

Battery is prob dead

Or pregnant

Haven't checked for years

[fathom juniper]

that's a fire hazard right there

or...
you're soon gonna have a bunch of tiny little baby batteries

[winter mica]

yeah it's been over 8 yrs since ive last used my psp

[woven breach]

As long as it's not turned on it's fine

Right?

[fathom juniper]

nope

[steady otter]

My PSP is just fine except for the fact that the paint/lacquer is chipping off in some places >.>

[elder arrow]

me when among us free on epic games

sus

[fathom juniper]

[woven breach]

Player base dropping?

[elder arrow]

that game died

so hard

i played one game on the new map and its so big

i get lost

[wraith cradle]

Well, now kids that literally cannot pay for games can play it too

[junior crown]

Wouldn't really call dead more so less mainstream or popular than it was at that moment, which is fine for every game to be like that imo especially multiplayer due to their nature of having to be played on regular occasions.

[wraith cradle]

God, I'm salty

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1256670/view/3039346400644392349

[polar dragon]

Hi salty,
That means you are the essence of the earth. Good job.

https://youtu.be/ZdcTJ41Vz9c

Honestly, not a bad list from IGN.
The comment section is as salty as always.

[remote marsh]

my favorite roguelike game is minecraft on hardcore

so bad list

[polar dragon]

Minecraft is boring and overrated. I win. You lose.

[remote marsh]

how dare you

[polar dragon]

Imagine playing a kid's game.

[dire condor]

how dare you

bruh i literally have been playing minecraft since i was like 8

[polar dragon]

Yep, exactly my point, the game is made for kids.

[elder arrow]

I agree with this actually

I only ever played minecraft because of peer pressure

never really enjoyed it

Terraria tho

😩

[remote marsh]

ye terraria is great

[junior crown]

terraria is my favorite wiki based game.

[polar dragon]

Terraria is my favorite game that I haven't played.

[remote marsh]

nice

[steady otter]

I like minecraft
but I just like resource gathering in general

I don't really do much else in minecraft

I sometimes make a house I guess

[remote marsh]

i love minecraft but i havent played it in years

[junior crown]

Terraria is a game I hear about a lot, tried out a few times and couldn't really get into, but good for people who can get into it!

[steady otter]

I didn't like terraria

[polar dragon]

Alright back to playing more Chrono Trigger

[steady otter]

I'm trying not to be eaten myself

I somehow stumbled upon yet another juvenile ghost leviathan

[dire condor]

anybody got some good games to recommend me?

[steady otter]

subnautica

[remote marsh]

hades