doesnt really matter since the guy who has 6 sub5 times took 50
#h1-victory-boasting
winter scroll
Oh absolutely, I don't expect this to correlate with final skill, just curious
wary brook
doesnt really matter since the guy who has 6 sub5 times took 50
Is that you?
viscid plaza
I seriously doubt you'll find anyone that cleared the game in their first 10, even 20 tries
strong ravine
Is that you?
do i look like a person with 6 sub5s
viscid plaza
Anyone with no prior experience or knowledge of the game.
strong ravine
im not very good at the game and definitely not obscenely good like croven
my pb is a 521
winter scroll
I seriously doubt you'll find anyone that cleared the game in their first 10, ev...
I think I took 14 in the first save file, without guides.
Edit: just remembered that Darkness was cheated for a full Mirror, so it doesn't count, at least not as as comparison with other people's playthroughs.
Errata: found first clear screenshot, it wasn't cheated yet after all.
But definitely will never have 6 sub-5s or anything
bold jolt
im not very good at the game and definitely not obscenely good like croven
"i'm not very good at the game" my brother in christ you have 20 sub6s
viscid plaza
I think I took 14 in the first save file, without guides.
**Edit**: just remembe...
I'd have to see proof to believe this
wary brook
"i'm not very good at the game" my brother in christ you have 20 sub6s
Exactly what I was thinking
sharp echo
"i'm not very good at the game" my brother in christ you have 20 sub6s
it seems good enough for him is being Angel1c
strong ravine
"i'm not very good at the game" my brother in christ you have 20 sub6s
meanwhile
warm notch
bruh
bold jolt
every time you call yourself bad or washed or anything i'm gonna keep linking that lmao
strong ravine
gg
sharp echo
some of us here struggle getting Fists and Sword past 12 heat.....are we below scum then?
viscid plaza
some of us here struggle getting Fists and Sword past 12 heat.....are we below s...
We just suck lmao
warm notch
just play smair instead of sword
viscid plaza
I still struggle to win with Stygius and the spear
winter scroll
Check the linked guides in #h1-builds-and-combat and #h1-high-heat-strategies
warm notch
everytime i use arthur be like 
sharp echo
just play smair instead of sword
I'm thinking of Smairing Fists as well cause ME just doesn't drop for some ungodly reason.
magic bane
"i'm not very good at the game" my brother in christ you have 20 sub6s
what am i then
bold jolt
lmao hades ranked would be something
winter scroll
I'd have to see proof to believe this
See the edit on the previous msg, basically doesn't count I think (see errata)
So basically anywhere between 20 and 50 is normal, that answers my question to some extent
little prairie
if there was hades ranked mode i'd grind it
Isn't that just the speed and heat boards?
quartz patrol
who dosent love chiron
magic bane
meh
bold jolt
gaming
bold jolt
ngl i have no idea but i think you want to use it in phase 1 because you can prevent darknesses from happening
magic bane
i did instaphase at the start with meg lol
strong ravine
i usually only use it on p2p2
depends on damage
if your damage is poor to average you want to call in p1p2
and then you should have another in p2 somewhere
if your damage is good with instaphase p1 without meg
you just wanna do no buffs p1 and then p2p1 meg and call p2p2
magic bane
hmmm
strong ravine
if you want you can look through my beautful brand new 19 sub6s uploaded on youtube
magic bane
gladly
magic bane
cleraly i've got a lot to learn
strong ravine
u can get a vod review
magic bane
rt95 did
strong ravine
o
winter scroll
New personal speed record thanks to Hestia and BIG numbers on Aphrodite Attack. The run actually started with Athena Attack (Epic) and Aphrodite bailed me out by upgrading to a Heroic version. Easy ride / smooth sailing from there.
autumn bronze
pretty nice build
winter scroll
She's only there for rank-up purposes 🙈
winter scroll
Tried Aspect of Hades, lucked into Quick Spin and Massive Spin. Spin-to-win the whole run. Went better than expected. Surprisingly not terrible with these hammers. Spins are HUGE and ignore obstacles. Hugely satisfying to beat the big boss at his own game. (Screenshot: sweeping from behind obstacles while lasers.) (Aaaaand forgot to use Smair, as usual...)
sharp echo
New personal speed record thanks to Hestia and BIG numbers on Aphrodite Attack. ...
Wait its possible for them to replace Epic by giving a Heroic? Is that the only situation you get to obtain Heroic naturally?
sharp echo
Those are what i call not naturally heh
Those are what I tend to do.
Maybe its because i have yet to get a good replacement from my Epic boon
winter scroll
Managed to massively improve on personal best time thanks to Hera's insane power and an incredibly lucky seed. Got the right boons with the right rarities, early Flurry Shot, and so on. Too bad about missing the Hermes Legendary, could have been even more incredible. I know this time is nothing to actual speedrunners, but hey, previous time was 16m+. Baby steps. It's nice to know that a good build can manage this time without speedrunning tricks and gimmicks
Using Underworld Customs for "relatively free heat" is interesting, helps realize how selling boons can be helpful sometimes
little prairie
Tried Aspect of Hades, lucked into Quick Spin _and_ Massive Spin. Spin-to-win th...
hades spin not boosting hades spin is kinda silly
winter scroll
I thought it boosted itself? It was critting for a thousand
little prairie
Selling good for free money or getting a smaller pom pool
yeah, but what if I want 5 of my 6 duos?
little prairie
I thought it boosted itself? It was critting for a thousand
I think the spin damage boost applies to special and non-spin attack
bold jolt
Yeah lmao
winter scroll
Right. I almost remembered that from the wiki but didn't recheck, and game description doesn't explain this
bold jolt
yeah, but what if I want 5 of my 6 duos?
Get the duos earlier so you can sell the prereqs duh
Why aren't you getting 5 duos in tart
bold jolt
Right. I almost remembered that from the wiki but didn't recheck, and game descr...
Iirc game description says "attack and special" and technically spin attack isn't attack lmao
winter scroll
So if I was spamming the spin attack, there was no point using the "spin attack" aspect. Lolgic.
little prairie
Iirc game description says "attack and special" and technically spin attack isn'...
is it not technically an attack?
attack bonuses boost it
dashing while spin attacking should make it get dash strike buffs, cmon SG
attack button things be attacks
winter scroll
Although, the aspect is supposed to also increase spin attack radius
magic bane
Why aren't you getting 5 duos in tart
olympian favor 😔
whole raft
Stygian Dislodged pain So good when reaching Artemis legendary, Dislodge every 5 second releasing
sharp echo
Yep. To make the best sword build is to not use Attack or Special at all.
whole raft
you could try Nemesis with Artemis Dash. Fun Critical poking
magic bane
Yep. To make the best sword build is to not use Attack or Special at all.
have you heard os the aspect of poseidon
sharp echo
have you heard os the aspect of poseidon
I've done some fun "Pinball" builds with Beo with him, yes
strong ravine
thats not pos
magic bane
...
sharp echo
#h1-victory-boasting message
I don't think I can top this regarding how good Killing Freeze and Snow Burst is with Beo
oh actual sword Pos?
hmmmm
as in spamming Special for knockback?
Pos Flourish?
strong ravine
???
sharp echo
oh the aspect
is it the better sword for someone who doesn't want to attack with swords?
strong ravine
thats its entire thing
magic bane
it has innate 50% cast bonus
magic bane
LOL
little prairie
so it's like.....the Achilles of the sword
It has the dislodging thing and doesn't need the rush setup, but 50% is a lot less than 150%. The dislodging thing is at least something achilles Can t do, when it comes to lodging casts.
brazen minnow
100th clear, ME but no ME
little prairie
Big rip
magic bane
@little prairie
whole raft
Sea storm with Blizzard shot is hilarious. Just not great on Hera though, works very clunky when you have to release the tip of the cast right in front of the target.
little prairie
<@282599283499204610>
Did you have fun?
magic bane
nope
little prairie
Dang
sharp echo
Hades melted. I still have the Jerky from Patroclus.
autumn bronze
<@282599283499204610>
im gonna throw up
ashen elm
drunk gaming
hollow jacinth
thats such a cool build
winter scroll
Using Tight Deadline 3 to challenge myself to improve my time, made a massive improvement from 19m to 15m on the spear. Turns out TD3 can also be "free heat" even with a vastly suboptimal build if you rush hard enough... Seems nicer than dealing with other options at this heat level.
sharp echo
Father-nuking goodness.
winter scroll
goodness
godness
fixed that for ya
winter scroll
Mini-victory: running TD3 (5 min timer), challenged Charon in Tartarus like a madman (Rama with Epic Aphrodite Attack, nothing else of note), then killed Furies when already 13 seconds over the timer. Managed to not proc SD even.
I had to challenge Charon to avoid Zeus in my pool
left ridge
Why? 
Zeus special on Rama is decent and opens smair
winter scroll
Because I already had Artemis Special + Hunter's Mark by then 🙂
whole raft
Heart Crushing Flare. Although it's suck on shooting shield because of the hit box, but in close combat *muah ❤️🔥 recipe for 2k damage in a loading row.
little prairie
Dem flare is the worst flare of them all
It was a special only run. Apparently I'm the only one who enjoys the beo special 😦
winter scroll
Getting comfortable with TD3. Managed a pretty good time with much-maligned %-attack Fists, -2 min from previous best time, and very close to personal best. "Surprise me" start → Aphrodite offering Epic Attack → Heavy Knuckle led to this. I'm not sure how this would have gone without Heavy Knuckle.
Also, by the final boss, this had 66.2% dodge passively and 102.2% dodge after a Call, which was very spammable. Legit actual invulnerability. Could take EM4 without breaking a sweat
BTW does dodge work on traps?
Pretty sure you can dodge trap projectiles, like ballista arrows in Region 3, but what about floor spikes and such
strong ravine
Because I already had Artemis Special + Hunter's Mark by then 🙂
could still get eshot
or call and then smair
or vengeance
winter scroll
Was looking for Smair but no luck. Last chance was in Styx, had some rolls, but simply whiffed. Also the shop spawned no god boons, only poms and such
magic bane
300 300 100 100?
winter scroll
Don't remember exactly. There was also at least one Centaur Heart. Hermes spawned too. Also now that I'm double checking my memory, maybe there was one other god boon that costed 150, but definitely none for 450
But I still feel like there was at least one recent run with no god boons other than Hermes in that shop
modern python
Didnt even get a cast I had such bad luck but I still won. I love Arthur's sword
wary brook
Didnt even get a cast I had such bad luck but I still won. I love Arthur's sword
You dont need a cast really
I normally don’t pick one up if im not doing a cast build
winter scroll
In a non-cast build, sometimes you take a filler cast to enable some Duo you want, but not very often. It would just be stealing poms from your main damage
Had a run today where I accidentally got Demeter's cast and her duo with Aphrodite and sold both for great amounts of gold, because they weren't going to live up to my shield's DPS (Zeus Aspect I think?)
modern python
You dont need a cast really
Having a cast reminds me to use it so I can take advantage of that mirror thing that makes me do more damage to enemies with a cast in them
wary brook
In a non-cast build, sometimes you take a filler cast to enable some Duo you wan...
Yeah. Filling up core boon slots can help to get the secondary or duo boons that you want
Because it cant be offered anymore obviously, opening up another slot that could be the boon you want
winter scroll
Yeah that too, was gonna mention filling up the cores, but I don't entirely understand the rules yet
wary brook
There is also a more methodical reason behind it
But its along the same lines of what i’ve just said.
Yeah its confusing
winter scroll
Game seems to prioritize filling your core slots, but not when you already have at least 4?
wary brook
Kinda..
strong ravine
there are only 4 core slots
winter scroll
Call doesn't seem to get priority when your cores are empty, but it feels to have priority when you have at least 1 other slot filled in
wary brook
Yea
strong ravine
it has the same behavior as every other standard boon
winter scroll
Hmm good to know
lunar peak
MY FIRST WIN
wary brook
MY FIRST WIN
Nice!
magic bane
another cshot enjoyer joins the fray
left ridge
Hunter flare 
magic bane
now that's a lotta damage
strong ravine
nice rd
magic bane
thanks
strong ravine
vernal shadow
now that's a lotta damage
Ok I love the Shield, hell I suffered through Beowulf with no Mirror abilities for 12 Heat for the hell of it, but..
How on earth do you have more successful clears with the Spear than the Sword?!
And why are both those numbers so low?
strong ravine
i mean
most of the time if you run anything at low heat you're just gonna clear
so they play more beo than anything else
bold jolt
also when you're speedrunning you tend to stick to one aspect, so shield (beo specifically probably) has a whole lot more
sword and spear are harder to get lower times with
violet bloom
vernal shadow
Woo
vernal shadow
also when you're speedrunning you tend to stick to one aspect, so shield (beo sp...
Ohhh
I assumed casual, not speedrunning. Makes a lot more sense now.
strong ravine
this is one of the builds ever
primal crown
Worstlos
bold jolt
Ohhh
I assumed casual, not speedrunning. Makes a lot more sense now.
i mean i'm looking at that 8:31 which is speedrunning terriroty lmao
strong ravine
yeah they run some
winter scroll
Whew! Slowly but surely getting through Heat 20 with every weapon, using EM4 as the test of skill, which is fitting for the "final Heat round" in terms of bounties. I'd like to say "getting comfortable with Extreme Measures 4", but really, only survived thanks to the Shield and Patroclus' SD healing buff. Sword and Spear were carried by Hunting Blades which were both assembled naturally, from "surprise me" starts. Time to go die and lose this EM4 streak.
vernal shadow
i mean i'm looking at that 8:31 which is speedrunning terriroty lmao
Yeah fair.
winter scroll
Offtopic but why so squished
strong ravine
looks better
vernal shadow
Wha
vernal shadow
Interesting
What's everyone's fastest times, if you can remember?
I think my fastest was 18 mins or something like that with Demeter Fists. Was NUTS. Fists are probably my favorite, but alas the Dark Thirst does not favor them.
strong ravine
i have two 5:21s
bold jolt
5:32 modded, 7:53(?) unmodded
strong ravine
vernal shadow
I'm 100% unmodded, I play on Xbox lmao
hollow jacinth
decent build
bold jolt
hollow jacinth
whart
vernal shadow
It still baffles me how 17 minutes irl and 5 minutes in-game can be the exact same thing, if that makes sense. Lot of time in the boon selection a/o pause screen, I suppose?
hollow jacinth
yeah
strong ravine
and alt tab
bold jolt
pauses
strong ravine
and transitions
hollow jacinth
even when going specifically for RTA, a 5m igt run isnt gonna be quicker than 11m rta
bold jolt
than and survival rooms are great for igt, bad for rta
strong ravine
a severely sluggish sub12 lmfao
vernal shadow
Rta?
strong ravine
whats the fastest rta sub5
hollow jacinth
id guess bigp but thats going on gut feel
strong ravine
not tracked on sheet
and apparently there are like
unsubmitted sub5s
185 too strong
vernal shadow
All these terms look like fatfingering the keyboard to me lmfao
What on earth is bigp
hollow jacinth
hes a runner
strong ravine
lmfao
vernal shadow
Sorry I'm just confused haha
Is there like a spreadsheet that details terms or something
hollow jacinth
yeah i was searching for that
strong ravine
i have it all bookmarked
vernal shadow
Yay
Why is Giant Vermin called Anthony
This feels like what happened with DRG community calling the Corruptor "Harold"
bold jolt
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FX-AqLhWwGBnnvH-wYkTQGKZkAOopEzv2efsMVfGH4U/...
Wait I've never seen this I love it
vernal shadow
PFFT
Okay now it make sense
winter scroll
Sorry, gotta boast. Got lucky and absolutely crushed EM4 by using an extremely rude Hera build. Aphrodite Legendary + Attack + Cast with Flurry Shot provided a combination of stupidly high damage, protection, and somewhat reliable CC, regularly interrupting enemy attacks, which works even against the last boss! Smoldering Air provided good protection, and the build had well-pommed Billowing Strength in combination with Second Wind, ensuring maximum benefit from frequent Call activation. Nearly insta-phased all the phases, easily killed all the adds, and brute-forced the last phase in no time. Stimulating. Now time to win a Fists run and die on Rail, as is tradition.
The original plan was to use Zeus Attack and find out if it's any good on a Crush Shot Hera, but Aphrodite forced a change of plan by offering the Heroic rarity attack when I already had her Legendary
Find out another time
I did some napkin math and it indicated that if I found Zeus Legendary, then his Attack would have been slightly better in terms of damage, but it wasn't guaranteed, and lo and behold, did not find it. Also wouldn't have this level of CC
golden peak
new pb with arthur of all things 
hollow jacinth
bonk
primal crown
Heroic pp carry
vernal shadow
new pb with arthur of all things <:gladge:1066469480315748353>
Arthur plus Artemis seems like a match made in heaven. Well done!
I think my Sword PB is like 20 mins with Aspect of Nemesis
strong ravine
I think my Sword PB is like 20 mins with Aspect of Nemesis
nem is by far the fastest sword aspect
winter scroll
Finally did EM4 with all weapons, rounding up Heat 20 and all the bounties. Was surprisingly easy/comfortable with Hestia, although the build was high APM and my hands are tired. Since all the bounties are done, what should I do? Grind higher Heat one by one, do 32, or grind spedruns?
untold coyote
depends what you want to do
bold jolt
32 for skelly statue sounds reasonable tbf
magic bane
Try getting your times up
winter scroll
up 🤔
magic bane
down, even
winter scroll
even down 😯 🤯
magic bane
can you tell what i was hunting for
whole raft
Finest example of Lmao. Already at the temple but legendary sea daddy appears (The useless one)
bold jolt
Get the surface fish
whole raft
You know the build went nut when you get a legendary in Asphodel.
whole raft
Hmmmm 7 juicy stacks of cast. If only Blizzard shot is apply able in Beowulf. Massacre recipe
strong ravine
what i really needed was mirage lmfao
whole raft
what i really needed was mirage lmfao
Mirage is cursed. Me screaming at the screen for those lovely uncle/niece duo appeared not good for my mental health
strong ravine
are you on legacy
whole raft
are you on legacy
Yes full support for duo boon rate. But every time I want them to appear it likes the game know how to tease you
Aka bad luck
The second cursed duo boon for me is the frickin Phalanx. I mean come on, have some heart and let me play the Bouncing ball of death
whole raft
That's a lot of casts
sharp echo
I'm sold on Lightning Phalanx. A supposed bomb just turned into pinballs if there's anyone near. Actually good crowd clear.
Might need Hermes Lego cause retrieving it is VERY detrimental in huge maps or out of bounds spaces.
left ridge
Took me a few resets and it's a bit meh but here's an Achilles sub10 for today's run
wary brook
I tried a trippy shot run with stygian soul. I got natural Demeter in Tart and Blackout at Tart endshop 💀. Also got a crazy chaos cast buff that helped a lot and a plus one cast. Got ice wine in Asphodel. Instaphased all of Lernie. I didnt get mirage because Poseidon sucks…
So much damage
1000+ damage per shot with the Achilles buff
Crazy build
Ice wine worked a little differently than I expect but it was still really nice
I expected it to be terrible
modern python
ugh gun runs 😫
No matter what I will always struggle with them
the duo digger title makes it seem like I was lucky but no, the duo boons were "slow projectiles", "slow health recovery if I dont have a death defience" and "faster demeter cast tracking"
winter scroll
Avoiding unwanted Duos is part of improving your win rate 🙂. I highly recommend the pinned guide in #h1-builds-and-combat, it has a lot of useful tricks you could internalize, and a good Rail/Hestia section
For Hestia in particular, you want to make sure that you can easily press Attack/Reload/Dash/Special all at once, which means if using a gamepad, only one of them can be a face button. And Hestia gets better the more you pump your Attack damage. Aphrodite Attack is probably the best, and you can get Chaos boons too
modern python
For Hestia in particular, you want to make sure that you can easily press Attack...
Im fine with the button presses Im on keyboard and mouse so for me its q, r and left click which is convenient
winter scroll
Also unmaxed Hestia is a long cry away from maxed in terms of power
modern python
well thats a matter of titan blood ;)
winter scroll
I suggest remapping your Special to right click. Also consider putting Reload and Cast on mousewheel so you don't need to move fingers away from WASD
Shift could be used to some good effect too
modern python
trying mouse wheel reload and yea it seems smoother thanks
whole raft
I tried a trippy shot run with stygian soul. I got natural Demeter in Tart and B...
Ice Wine reduce the animation time for the Purple boom so yeah, good duo indeed. Plus with Thunder make a whole mess to the core gameplay. Mirage shot only my second option when choosing Purple bomb. I only have 1 time playing with triple Duo boons. Icewine + Mirage shot + Dio/Zeus duo
whole raft
@urban bane Blizzard Shot (Sea Storm + Priv Status) with Stygian Soul. If i can release 3 casts hitting at the same time, in less than 3s the damage is 5k5 :))
the final board
autumn bronze
ugh gun runs 😫
No matter what I will always struggle with them
you might be struggling because hestia isn't as good when not levelled up
urban bane
For Hestia in particular, you want to make sure that you can easily press Attack...
i'm not sure why you need to hit attack at the same time as the others
with hestia you usually want to cancel reload into either dash or special
so you need to be able to hit reload+dash, or reload+special, essentially
you don't need to hit attack in conjunction with anything else really
winter scroll
You want to press those keys very quickly one after another without moving your fingers, which is the same requirement as being able to press them together
urban bane
I mean it's just not necessary, and it's pretty hard to accomplish on a gamepad
there's 4 buttons on a PS controller all designed to be hit with the thumb
for hestia, all you really need is to remap reload to e.g. R1 and you're fine
winter scroll
Moving Dash, Special, Reload to bumpers and triggers, leaving only Attack on face buttons, accomplishes this pretty easily
autumn bronze
i main hestia and have both dash and special on face buttons
urban bane
you can but that's also coming at a cost of moving everything else around
I mean usually you'll hit attack, and then immediately hit reload+(dash/special)
but "immediately" is still a decent sized window
winter scroll
I found that moving less-frequent actions (Interact / Call / Summon) to face buttons is a good tradeoff
urban bane
basically it's pretty easy to achieve the optimal fire rate on hestia is what I'm saying
autumn bronze
just let everyone do what's comfortable for them
urban bane
yeah, I might look at your remapping less for hestia's sake, but I want a mapping that is optimal for beowulf too
instead of switching around all the time
winter scroll
Also I use a gamepad with additional remappable buttons (2 additional shoulder buttons and 2 on the back) which I use for Call and Summon, so the only face button I press frequently is Attack
urban bane
just let everyone do what's comfortable for them
for sure, I just didn't want that person to think that this kind of remapping is really necessary to play hestia well, that's all
autumn bronze
for sure, I just didn't want that person to think that this kind of remapping is...
im referring more to the other guy here who seems to think that
urban bane
remapping reload from the default I think is borderline necessary, almost everyone seems to do it
ah ok
I think one of my "bad habits" with PS controllers is that it's really more optimal to use two different fingers on R1 and R2 (and L1/L2) but I never do... I just use my index finger for both, just more comfy even though it's less optimal
winter scroll
Well, it's good to know that some people can be comfortable leaving more frequent actions on face buttons, I'm not so used to gamepads and don't like moving my fingers around too much, but might take a look again
autumn bronze
I think one of my "bad habits" with PS controllers is that it's really more opti...
my way of holding my xbox controller changes like every couple seconds. sometimes i have 2, sometimes i have 4 fingers going on on the right hand
winter scroll
I think one of my "bad habits" with PS controllers is that it's really more opti...
Different gamepad shape might be influencing our preferences then. The only gamepad I've used in the last decade is Razer Wildcat where it's comfortable to use finger 2 for bumper and finger 3 for trigger
urban bane
yeah, these things vary so much. And a lot of people out there are just wildly talented. Like, I've given up on ever really playing 2D fighting games.
The "basic combos" you have to know are already pretty hard.
autumn bronze
we should probably move channels
urban bane
Yeah true
sullen hornet
First room had a hammer, so I gave up and swapped to sword with purse, and money was achieved!
Would have had an extra 60 damage per hit but I still want to buy titan blood. I was happy with 200
Featuring: selling a legendary and a duo
sudden marsh
pov: u see a hammer start
dense obsidian
15 attempts !!
little prairie
It's a nice hammer combo
little prairie
Two point blank explodies in a roe
modern python
I only shaved off 10 seconds but hey personal best is still a personal best
winter scroll
The ultimate Tdash machine: 7 total dashes, Poseidon Legendary, Pommed Tdash, and Breaking Wave. Pretty fun in closed environments. Too bad you can't push bosses.
winter scroll
Forgot to switch 🙈
modern python
I dont like festive fog but I need to fill in prophecies and actually with excalibur this turned into like an area control type of thing. Between the aura and the fog
magic bane
WHERE IS MY SMAIR
primal crown
Gone
wary brook
Reduced to atoms
bold jolt
Think you dropped it
winter scroll
Rumors that Rama is some kinda "bow" and maybe "ranged weapon" seem to have been exaggerated. It may have seemed that way when I started with Ares Special. But after putting together Merciful End (backed by Deadly Reversal, no less!), it's nothing of the sort. Dash into enemies to crash them to pieces, good fun. Meanwhile it also tags the rest of the room with Doom 🤔
strong ravine
🗿
wary brook
Think you dropped it
Thanos didn’t say that
winter scroll
Followup from above, Doom definitely seems like a useful way to "break" Rama. If you get Merciful End and Athena Dash, Rama is transformed into a melee weapon where you repeatedly tag with Special and Dash into enemies for big damage numbers. But even without that, Doom is a pretty good damage supplement to your primary Attack. Either way, this was a good proof of concept for me.
(Low health is because I knew I couldn't die and dashed right into boss attacks without concern for safety)
Rama might be good for "surprise me" random starts because it's hard to think of a god that wouldn't fit on either Attack or Special with good results
winter scroll
Rama might be good for "surprise me" random starts because it's hard to think of...
Oh wait, just thought of one: Poseidon. Guess that's a question for #h1-builds-and-combat
winter scroll
Rama doesn't spam Dash too hard, and doesn't usually rush into melee range, you want some extra time for your shots. I'm a little more interested in how to make Poseidon useful on Special...
Maybe with Sea Storm... 🤔
golden peak
funny big numbers go brr
little prairie
I dont like festive fog but I need to fill in prophecies and actually with excal...
Try it with hera or beo. Maybe using stygian soul
vernal shadow
AYYYY LETS GO
50th Clear! Done with Eris aspect and a pretty slayer build too! Zeus attack, Demeter Special, Flood Shot, and a couple of Athena Boons (Divine Dash and resistance to traps) for good measure. Feels good, especially considering I was basically full health and all 3 dd's going into the Hades fight.
winter scroll
Rama doesn't spam Dash too hard, and doesn't usually rush into melee range, you ...
I take this back. Rama cheesy Special builds, like with Zeus Special, are pretty comfortable about spamming dash, so Tdash might be a good fit after all. Gotta try
Discovering the cheesiness of Zeus Rama. Random "surprise me" start, immediate Zeus Special, spent the whole run holding the Special button. Works OK, but noticeably slower than using Attack with Shared Suffering, until you get Double Strike, which is where the build really comes together. Didn't even need Zeus Legendary or Smair to comfortably cruise through Styx and final boss. Had some trouble on Heroes, need practice.
strong ravine
pog 4 damage per bolt
hollow jacinth
Yep
warm notch
when zeus decides to completely peace out after keepsake charge
little prairie
Passive lightning only
strong ravine
rama pb
violet bloom
nice arty keepsake
violet bloom
shouldve just kept shackle
strong ravine
mirage styx fountain
magic bane
YAHOOOO
strong ravine
nice attack
hollow fractal
7 win streak and just finished main story quest
happyday
1:30 AM time to sleep
might have been 8 wins can't remember
either way almost all wins i have were back to back so that's nice
brazen minnow
Authur is a whole lot better with epic Hermes attack
whole raft
For the love of God, somebody remove the chance of having Skewer in Daddy Hades Aspect
😐 It's fun to see the BBQ Skewer tossing across the room but in the end Rocket Launcher is the GOAT. So tired to see the retract animation of the spear
strong ravine
doesnt that block out explo
solution is to use achilles
no more annoying special hammer
whole raft
It works better with Artemis special though. And not have to choose Guan Yu
Just throw and let the magic skewer shove inside the target
I love the Skewer when the Special is Ares. So good seeing the doom touching every corner of the room
whole raft
Holy lord of the Skewer. :)) Revenge Boon + BBQ wine pole get everyone intoxicated. Troll build for the spear
sharp echo
Highest level I've given to a boon yet.
Acorn giving me a no-damage Dad fight.
Also I will always love Snow Burst and Killing Freeze on Cast builds.
left ridge
Didn't get triple bomb, didn't get any story room, didn't get survival room and yet it's still a lucifer pb 
One room away from sub10 :(
wary brook
Didn't get triple bomb, didn't get any story room, didn't get survival room and ...
Quick drink is crazy
Seems real good if you get it early
I wish I could play with the mods
left ridge
Quick drink is crazy
Honestly it's pretty useless when you're speedrunning 
The only thing it can really do is trigger High confidence
It's supposed to adapt to LC but it's bugged so it can be helpful at high heat
strong ravine
Honestly it's pretty useless when you're speedrunning <:MenheraNervousEhehe:9990...
strong drink?
strong drink is fire
free global
warm notch
no, quick drink
strong ravine
oh
ngl though still sounds fire
so long as it applies when you enter and not when you defeat the boss
healing off chaos curse and stuff and getting your hc back sounds pretty good
left ridge
so long as it applies when you enter and not when you defeat the boss
Yeah it's when you enter
winter scroll
Turns out, when going for Merciful End, it can be nice to pick Dionysus as your "support" god, because sometimes you can pivot and replace one of your attacks with Hangover, complementing your damage. This actually saved my DPS because I didn't manage to find Impending Doom.
Nice thing about Hangover compared to Zeus is how it doesn't need a lot of other boons from the same god to be effective, so you can grab it late (Styx in this case)
Depends on the aspect of course
Hangover Special was a perfect fit for my build because it's Aspect of Zeus and my Doom was on Attack
west cargo
Is it aight if I post one that wasn’t a win but absolutely should’ve been?
First time picking up zag bow since maxing it and I was so close to finishing the last phase of pact of punishment hades
Each crit was hitting for over 1k and I had twin shot so double the crits
Gahhh so frustrating
strong ravine
very slow but also funny
bold jolt
Nice splitting bolt
golden peak
my first hitless EM3 is with the gorgon head 
wary brook
Nice thing about Hangover compared to Zeus is how it doesn't need a lot of other...
True
Kind of
strong ravine
it needs poms tho
wary brook
Zeus attack doesnt really need supporting boons either
But the fact that is has any makes it good
Dio has like 2 hangover supporting boons
And they both suck
wary brook
it needs poms tho
That too
magic bane
Zeus attack doesnt really need supporting boons either
yes it does
strong ravine
jolted
winter scroll
Trying to get used to FO1. Felt it on Asterius and especially last boss, my timing is thrown off completely. On the bright side, Artemis attack on Hestia works well with Chaos Attack boons because they compensate for Artemis weak damage, allowing to enjoy big crits for 1.5-1.8k in this case. Spammable, too.
Still prefer Aphrodite attack though. Occasional big number crits are nice and all, but consistent high damage and Weak seems nicer
Can't always stack multiple Chaos Strike boons
bold jolt
Nice chaos
warm notch
where acorn
winter scroll
Want to learn the fight "properly", and wanted to see if Mom Pom works in Styx corridors but forgot to check
Had Mom Pom since Region 3 and it didn't hit my Attack even once
warm notch
ngl only thing worth pomming there is the call
winter scroll
It really liked my Divine Dash and Phalanx Shot
warm notch
arty pom scaling is practically non existent
winter scroll
I took Poseidon Call as the very last boon in Styx because no better options, not the biggest lover of this thing
Pressure Points would be the best pommable probably
Works on everything with linear scaling
magic bane
Trying to get used to FO1. Felt it on Asterius and especially last boss, my timi...
dash-strike boons are also good with hestia
strong ravine
not bad
wary brook
Still prefer Aphrodite attack though. Occasional big number crits are nice and a...
Usually you put zeus on attack for gun and aph on special. Zeus attack is better and you still apply weak all the time
Because you should be using special between reloads
warm notch
thats hestia
lunar peak
dash attack hit like a truck
primal crown
Shadow slash doesn't apply to dash strikes btw
left ridge
How is Chiron even slower than Arthur
strong ravine
turns out no damage bad
left ridge
I'm trying to get sub10 on all aspects and I'm seriously wondering if I'll be able to do it in Chiron
left ridge
Honestly sub10 all weapons is kinda fun but all aspects not so much lol
strong ravine
id like maybe sub7 allweps or something but bow bad
bold jolt
I'm trying to get sub10 on all aspects and I'm seriously wondering if I'll be ab...
I don't remember what I did for Chiron sub10 but I think I did bad zag bow
strong ravine
bad zagbow is probably good enough
strong ravine
lp hard to use
vernal shadow
Bouldy hard-carrying the run with 4% damage reduction for realz
strong ravine
this is a tempest strike moment
vernal shadow
Pos attack, Ares spec, Rama aspect (which I somehow managed to use)
Got completely rolled on sacks tho, took 4 chambers.
vernal shadow
this is a tempest strike moment
Real
Also I used Orpheus' keepsake (30% bonus to Distant foes) to compensate for going for Point-Blank shot (just how I play), AND THERES DIALOGUE FOR IT WITH HIM
warm notch
less cursed than tdash point blank
proud heath
just realized how cracked granny rays can be. i think i like casting now
wary brook
Ez game. No dd lost, no sea storm though 😩. No supporting boons except for razor shoals. But none if it matters because splash dash op
vernal shadow
just realized how cracked granny rays can be. i think i like casting now <:bould...
How use
Pls teach
vernal shadow
Gilgamesh enjoyer 🤝
wary brook
How use
Pls teach
Achilles, crystal clarity
Glacial glare
Stygian soul
More casts
Ez game
strong ravine
hunting blades is better tho
wary brook
hunting blades is better tho
Shush
vernal shadow
I haven't used those in ages (granny lasers either for that matter, but still)
strong ravine
meme beams are memes
proud heath
theyre so good
just did my first run with them on bow, i was hoping to get arctic blast for easy stacking with my special (was using chiron)
vernal shadow
Oo nice
autumn bronze
wack
proud heath
How use
Pls teach
it was my first time using them lol, im probably not the best person to ask
vernal shadow
it was my first time using them lol, im probably not the best person to ask
Ohhh I see
proud heath
i still have so many demeter duos to get )):
winter scroll
Trying to get used to FO2. Random "surprise me" start in hopes of filling up my Spear Hammer prophecy (unsuccessful). Demeter offers rare turret. Tartarus pushes 4 gods on me, none of which are Artemis. Forced Artemis as 5th and managed to find Crystal Clarity in Region 3. Had Tdash + Breaking Wave for Styx. Eventually found Hyper Delivery and crushed the final boss hard. Hyper Delivery makes everything strong, even nearly-unpommed turrets.
magic bane
i love seeing your post run commentary
little prairie
Trying to get used to FO2. Random "surprise me" start in hopes of filling up my ...
I did so many runs with zag spear to complete spear hammer prophesies. And like 2 since then.
winter scroll
While I can get a little tired from counting actions on Achilles, I really miss +150% dmg on other aspects...
little prairie
I don't think I've ever successfully kept count.
It's why I get very excited for the first chaos cast and kind of annoyed by the second.
Fully loaded? Fiiiiine
magic bane
shot > grasp
vernal shadow
Trying to get used to FO2. Random "surprise me" start in hopes of filling up my ...
Wait what does Hyper Delivery do?
Isn't that just super-deploying casts
strong ravine
boosts global damage by movespeed bonus
sprint has 100% movespeed bonus
and basically always up
little prairie
shot > grasp
When you have +150% already and another either doubles your cast damage or makes the rotation smoother? Nah
little prairie
Wait what does Hyper Delivery do?
Isn't that just super-deploying casts
What jazz said. You're thinning flurry cast
magic bane
don't tell me you play stygian Achilles
vernal shadow
What jazz said. You're thinning flurry cast
Ohh
vernal shadow
Stygian Achilles wha
magic bane
oh dear
little prairie
Stygian Achilles wha
Stygian Soul is the cast mirror option that lets you recharge casts (rather than giving you extras)
Achilles is an aspect
winter scroll
Wait what does Hyper Delivery do?
Isn't that just super-deploying casts
"Hyper Sprint" + "Rush Delivery" = "Hyper Delivery", global damage boost
vernal shadow
Ohhh ok
winter scroll
Stygian Achilles with 1 ammo can be sorta okay with Epic Auto Reload, but more ammo is definitely preferable. I gave up and just always run Infernal Soul and prefer lodging casts, with or without Quick Reload. Feels more consistent.
strong ravine
infernal is almost always better on achilles
winter scroll
All 3 non-lodging casts are a pain in the ass though, when you're forced to use them with Infernal
strong ravine
because you're mostly taking slicing or phalanx
winter scroll
I mostly prefer Phalanx Shot at this point, most well-rounded. Currently running Flood Shot with Sea Storm though
(Random "surprise me" starts)
vernal shadow
Flood Shot is nice, tho the Blizzard duo one for it is strange
magic bane
i think I'll try Poseidon blizzard later
winter scroll
Fair warning: while it makes some minor AoE, most of its damage is from direct impact, and it moves extremely slowly, so expect trouble getting it to hit
winter scroll
Like an exalted warrior soul
Similar size hitbox too
Nothing but duos and legendaries in this run. Sadly missed Artemis Legendary and Hermes Legendary which were nicely open and ready. Sea Storm with Poseidon Cast and Poseidon Dash, comboed with Zeus Legendary, backed by Double Strike. In practice not as strong as it looks, because this lacked Quick Reload. Lodging casts in the final boss makes the fight rather slow (as in: not insta-phasing), and my atrocious handling of the spear almost killed the run and the streak. I'm too used to FO-0, FO2 doesn't allow to use Special to escape boss swings, and didn't have Greatest Reflex to just spam dash out of it. Need practice.
magic bane
beautiful
hollow jacinth
Mmmmm
hollow fractal
10th consecutive win
thanks @magic bane and @primal crown for build help n whatnot
cleared all the extra rooms at the end just for fun, that build is absurdly strong
foggy oak
hollow fractal
Could've done like an extra idk 100? Damage with epic doom
yeah sad
magic bane
epic L10 is 234 damage
strong ravine
it’d be 40 base
winter scroll
Trying my hardest to learn FO2. Is it just me, or it makes the big boss not only ludicrously fast, but far more aggressive as well? Like he'll chase you around the whole arena whenever he decides to spin. It takes all my APM, Greatest Reflex, Smair, and Second Wind to avoid damage with some semblance of consistency. Ridiculous. (Also: finally got enough Darkness for the final theme!)
winter scroll
Random start with Coin Purse, first got Zeus, took Dash and held empty Attack slot, forced Aphrodite in Region 2
primal crown
idk (ft. panic meg at Lernie)
hollow fractal
yeah this did damage
primal crown
Amazing hammers
whole raft
Oh Stoppppa. Too many ice from Grandma that turns Zag into Elsa. Finished Asterius less than 5s :)) And for Daddy Hades is a pinch out of 2min
vernal shadow
Oh Stoppppa. Too many ice from Grandma that turns Zag into Elsa. Finished Asteri...
GG's on new pb
strong ravine
5s heroes into 2m dad?
i dont think 5s heroes is physically possible on chiron
that takes juice on beo
violet bloom
nah ive done it
whole raft
5s heroes into 2m dad?
I have some luck to bumb into Granny legendary plus alot of her Chill boon, including Revenge. So it's possible though.
whole raft
Without luck getting Killing Freeze and the dislodge of Chill Stack, this build will suck to the core lmao
strong ravine
a 4s heroes looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1127395567136423936/soundslikekrillissue.mp4
and idt chiron is rlly gonna come within a second of that
whole raft
Asterius only
for Theseus he has blocking and running across the map took me another 3s
strong ravine
do you have video
whole raft
Sadly no, i don't recording it
strong ravine
that would probably be chiron heroes wr
if it was actually somehow 8 seconds
with a dot build
yeah wr rn is 12.16
brave charm
Also had rush delivery
untold coyote
woah
heroic strong drink is busted
thats like 91% damage
if you got it at the start and had perfect rng ofc
but still
strong ravine
thats like 91% damage
42
little prairie
thats like 91% damage
Heroic is 6% per fountain
hollow jacinth
Just get 15.17 fountains lol
whole raft
@winter scroll You could ignore the legendary boon, the core is still Chain Skewer - Vengeful Mood - And a lot of revenge boons.
primal crown
Damn
whole raft
@winter scroll Try this with Charge Skewer (Artemis) Hades Aspect. One pull of the Spear if it's crit the damage goes up to 1k5 (Punishing Weep + Duo boon)
winter scroll
BTW can you combine Charged Skewer with Chain Skewer?
whole raft
I don't remember but the combo Charged Skewer with Exploding Launcher is legit though. I once try with that combo and Heart Rend. The Spear become 2k5 if crit with Weak
@winter scroll according to the wiki that is posibble. But once again, i don't sure about the animation of retracting the spear is better with these hammer comboes.
minor badger
Second ever 32 heat clear, and also my fastest time!
primal crown
Gg
winter scroll
(Too tired for Heat.) Bog-standard Hestia here, except for the earth-shattering level 20 Aphrodite Attack. Got Sweet Nectar relatively early, and with few pommable boons, got to sink them into Attack. Special is low because Clockets was the very last thing I found, by buying an anvil in Styx. The actual Attack number was lower (although comparable) than in some earlier screens I posted because this run had no Chaos Strike boons. Chaos seems like a pretty high priority on Hestia.
primal crown
badly as in loaded way more casts than needed and messed up on the bubbles timing lmao
strong ravine
gg
primal crown
can't even blame it on darkness
vernal shadow
FIRST GUAN-YU CLEAR! It is indeed possible 
I took literally every Centaur Heart I could get my mitts on, and went for meme beams on a whim.
Also found out that the Yarn thing gets a dialog from the Heros, which was cool (yes, I held onto that same Yarn from Elysium to dad)
primal crown
nice achilles run
strong ravine
ap1
vernal shadow
Somehow didn't get scammed too bad on the boons that got crossed out. Except Glacial Glare (extended beam duration), but I made do with what I had
wary brook
Somehow didn't get scammed too bad on the boons that got crossed out. Except Gla...
Why would you take ap1
On 3 heat
vernal shadow
3 heat is 3 heat, I guess?
I think I forgot I had it enabled from the previous run tbh
rain ruin
real gamer afterall
primal crown
Build and pact of all time
analog blaze
was trying for cast build but they didn't give it to me
got epic poseidon special and a bunch of dd's
winter scroll
In an effort to finish my spear prophecies, found a somewhat not horrible use of possibly the worst Zagspect: Charged Skewer + Chain Skewer + half-decent Aphrodite Special (or equivalent). It's still very slow compared to "good" builds, but at least it's a relatively safe way to use the spear without a cast build. Not something I'd recommend unless you have to use Chain Skewer for prophecy reasons (which locks out Achilles and Guan Yu), but it works kinda.
It has more range than a bow, but is still significantly less safe than a bow, because of this stupid spear-retrieving animation that locks you in place
untold coyote
Just get 15.17 fountains lol
yeah guys why do you suck
winter scroll
Finally got the opportunity to test Hermes Legendary with Zeus+Artemis Duo, and they work together perfectly. Lightning thunders from the sky while Bloodstones are succed in. This nicely complemented my Hera's Flood Shot damage, not like it needed that.
magic bane
oh hi tree
wary brook
my first win
Poseidon Lego carried 💪
bold jolt
Nice rta
wary brook
my first win
Congrats on your first win!
magic bane
3 days of class
wary brook
3 days of class
3 hours
magic bane
oh
small dust
here I was expecting a good ending
wary brook
here I was expecting a good ending
?
small dust
I mean finding out that my efforts up until now were pretty much useless is not exactly a good ending
warm notch
ending aint on 1st win
small dust
oh
wary brook
But it is a good ending
small dust
Yeah you gotta beat dad 10 times
god
left ridge
Demeter sub9, got ME in late Tart but no impending until Styx
small dust
I imagine it gets harder like the other bosses
like how hydra gets different forms and meg has her sisters which are more annoying
winter scroll
Finally tried Rama Hangover. Filthy and cowardly hit-and-run. With Relentless Volley hammer, easily apply 5 Hangover stacks in one shot, then run away like a coward, activating Hyper Delivery and watching Hangover deal 160+ and sometimes crit for 600+. The DPS surprised me. Could have avoided some pommables for better pom luck and bigger ticks.
I suppose Delta Chamber would have done it better because you'd be able to dash while shooting, for better uptime (and even bigger numbers with Eris buff)
magic bane
like how hydra gets different forms and meg has her sisters which are more annoy...
those are optional
plus your skill develops over time
wary brook
those are optional
plus your skill develops over time
How are they optional
magic bane
They're optional because I said so
vestal iris
first 16 heat, is it too ambitious of me to immediately go 32 heat after this
bold jolt
I suppose Delta Chamber would have done it better because you'd be able to dash ...
special only rama is straight up budget delta chamber rail lmao
bold jolt
first 16 heat, is it too ambitious of me to immediately go 32 heat after this
tbh not too ambitious as long as you get a good pact, build, and mirror
warm notch
kinda a big jump especially if you cant do td3
vestal iris
i like to think that td3 doesn't exist for my sanity
bold jolt
kinda a big jump especially if you cant do td3
js3 td2 strats based trust trust
but also matty did like 8 to 32 or something so like
doable
with guidance at least
warm notch
ig something like this works
strong ravine
Finally tried Rama Hangover. Filthy and cowardly hit-and-run. With Relentless Vo...
where do u find all these purple rds
can u lend me some
winter scroll
Feels like I find Hyper Delivery like once in a hundred runs for some reason...
hollow fractal
first guan yu win
also first guan yu attempt
winter scroll
Finally tried Rama Hangover. Filthy and cowardly hit-and-run. With Relentless Vo...
For comparison, lucked right away into a Delta Chamber Eris Hangover run, and it was much filthier than the Rama run. You can hold Atak the entire run while dashing and tapping Special on cooldown, great uptime and safety, great DPS. All the great things in this build don't fit on the screenshot. Lucked into early Exclusive Access (Exclusive Early Access?), which empowered the rest of the run. Sadly whiffed on Hyper Delivery despite trying, and couldn't make use of Sea Storm due to lack of Tdash, but none of that mattered. Delta Chamber Rail is exceptionally nice at applying and maintaining Hangover stacks. Ricochet Fire lets you apply stacks to even more targets. Eris and Billowing Strength provide more than enough global damage. Was observing Hangover ticks critting for hundreds. It's also very good at building up the God Gauge, even without Support Fire which I also whiffed on. The build featured Zeus Dash with Double Strike and Epic Greatest Reflex, which probably contributed significant damage and God Gauge, but I have no idea how much.
winter scroll
first guan yu win
also first guan yu attempt
Congrats and good job. Unleveled Guan Yu is brutal
small dust
it does indeed get easier (with the right build 
)
for some reason fist with merciful end is always unreasonably amazing
autumn bronze
did you already know about that build before you got it?
because thats an amazing build for being so early on
small dust
I got it once before by sheer luck and it ended up being an amazing run (where I died in elysium lol)
I just figured though since you can apply doom stacks really fast with fists
autumn bronze
good job
bold jolt
hey guys i got epic rd
primal crown
gourmet soup
strong ravine
hey guys i got epic rd
sub70 dad pog
gud build
probably could have dash and call onlyd
small dust
hey guys i got epic rd
does that say you spent nearly 9 minutes fighting hades
oh nvm
warm notch
movement spd where
violet bloom
strong ravine
nice hammers
winter scroll
Not victory boasting, more like... this was a weird one. Random "surprise me" start on Aspect of Zeus. Demeter offers Epic Special. For the Nth time, I set out to find out if Killing Freeze ever does anything. Like every other time, Demeter proceeds to be the 
crone that she is, holding out Killing Freeze the entire run. Worth noting that her Special was doing okay damage, more than enough for this difficulty level, and I also had Minotaur Rush holding up my damage needs. But players are spoiled, so I figured I could "salvage" my DPS by adding Thunder Dash and enough Zeus kit. The assumption proved correct after I found Smair, Hyper Delivery, and Zeus Legendary and proceeded to kill Heroes, Styx and final boss mostly with Zeus Dash and Aid, showing Demeter her place. By funny coincidence, final boss accelerated by FO2 and slowed by Chill runs at around the same speed as our Special disc, so you can kite him in circles perfectly aligned with the Special.
strong ravine
Not victory boasting, more like... this was a weird one. Random "surprise me" st...
another epic rd
u got a dealer?
winter scroll
Thanks to Chaos rarity boost and some luck
Funny to find out that you can kill things just fine with Dash and Aid sometimes
I'm amazed by your ability to identify boons by icons
strong ravine
you figure them out
hollow fractal
probably the strongest build i've had so far
i didn't even try to dodge the boss at the end i just melted it
whole raft
Not victory boasting, more like... this was a weird one. Random "surprise me" st...
Killing Freeze damage is lesser than Rupture and can't be upgrade but it's fun though. With the Chill stack releasing after 10, using Demeter Call and Zeus Icy Special tick the stack real hard.
strong ravine
demeter call
winter scroll
This was... a really weird one: Hera with Merciful End, which was actually useful, perfectly complementing my Cast-based damage. Random "surprise me" start, multiple Ares and Athena rooms and a trial, found Ares Attack and Athena Special/Cast/Dash, perfect setup for ME on Hera, all in Region 1. (Accompanied by Artemis which eventually gave Exit Wounds and her Legendary!) Managed to find ME in Region 2, and it worked perfectly: weapon shot procs Doom, then Phalanx Shot immediately procs ME. It's a perfect self-contained self-proccing ME. Hera would have steamrolled the rest of the run regardless, even with FO2, but using ME was some exotic fun.
To be fair, going for ME wasn't necessarily an improvement. To take the Ares/Athena trial, I skipped a Chaos Gate, which could have given +Cast% dmg, which would probably be a significantly bigger damage increase than Doom/ME
So it's probably not something one should pursue as a strategy, but fun when it happens and works
winter scroll
Found it multiple times and failed to notice it doing anything
Had it open this run, but didn't manage to find
brave charm
For a second I forgot the anvil was a thing
west cargo
Wait lightning phalanx works on Hera bow?
whole raft
Wait lightning phalanx works on Hera bow?
Yep, even with duo boon, but it's kinda boring without the bouncing duo
vernal shadow
Yep, even with duo boon, but it's kinda boring without the bouncing duo
Real
vernal shadow
doubling down on styx LMAO
strong ravine
<@541828042008428564>
where tdash
strong ravine
gud bild
bold jolt
Always has been
whole raft
By the power of Sea Salt Spear i smite theee
hollow fractal
highest rarity run i've had
strong ravine
where hermes
golden peak
new pb with eris
strong ravine
new pb with eris <:gladge:1066469480315748353>
u got the wrong tdash
whole raft
little prairie
Wait lightning phalanx works on Hera bow?
The only time Hera doesn't use the normal cast is Trippy Flare.
golden peak
sword pb with nem
hollow jacinth
Good build
dense yew
my first 32 heat clear with a very quirky fists build :3c
(pls ignore fiery presence)
primal crown
Gaming
bold jolt
(pls ignore fiery presence)
Fiery presence is actually good on fists lmao
bold jolt
Actually with cp1 and dc2 fp kinda sucks here lmao
bold jolt
what makes you say that
Dash upper can one shot various Tartarus enemies so it saves you time
Only with fiery presence
Also backstabs on fists is like an additional 7 damage lmao
For the attack at least, but it's much less consistent to backstab with fists special
But granted considering your pact yeah fp is pretty bad here
dense yew
thats true, i see your point with the dash upper
but yeah damage control nullifies that xd
cp1 sucks though 😓 it makes me wish i wasnt on hell mode lol
warm notch
if youre on pc you can just download a maxed one
little prairie
Cp is calesthenics program is more hp and unrelated to hell mode I thought
bold jolt
Hell mode forces hl1 lc1 js1 cp1 and a new pact
little prairie
Ahh
left ridge
I did not deserve this sub10 lol
I got a decent start with chaos gate in 2nd room and midboss Exclusive access but the rest of the run was bad
It's the first time I can't frontface dad in a speedrun, that fight was way too close
magic bane
flurry sucks with serrated
golden peak
i cant tell if swapping to % atk from zeus atk made it better or worse? what would be ideal
magic bane
zeus call storm lightning
golden peak
i switched after sack just to see if it would do better
bold jolt
It's not lmao
left ridge
Lucifer sub10, finally
Hestia special goes pretty well with triple bomb but the dash was the highest DPS %
primal crown
10% global dmg from RD 
left ridge
Yeah I was hesitant to take RD or hyper sprint at that point lol
And I just realised it's also a new rail pb
I should probably play some Eris to get it sub9 once I'm done with all aspects sub10
brave charm
@magic bane
magic bane
gg
brave charm
gg
I had a run that was good but had to reset because I had switched to no sd instead of maxed dd
winter scroll
Your standard Eris Hangover run, except featuring: 5 duos; using Charmed Asterius to kill his friend Theseus; using Meg + Aphrodite together to actually oneshot the last phase of the final boss (girl power!).
strong ravine
did u get the targ buff on meg
winter scroll
Huh?
strong ravine
targ is a buff to damage taken by an enemy
not damage dealt by the player
so it applies to all damage sources including meg
winter scroll
All I know is I was holding and mashing all my buttons
Does Meg benefit from your global damage buffs?
strong ravine
u had targeting system right
strong ravine
Does Meg benefit from your global damage buffs?
no
specifically buffs to damage taken by an enemy
targeting system, sweet surrender, maim
winter scroll
I was using Special on cooldown but I dunno if the boss was targeted at that exact time
strong ravine
well if it still instaphased i guess it still instaphased
but yea thats a trick you can use to get a big meg
strong ravine
yes
eris buff included
which is why aph and arty are more common takes on eris altho it's still usually zeus or dad call
little prairie
Is first strike damage from the charon well item global damage?
hollow fractal
I did not deserve this sub10 lol
whoa exclusive access looks good haven't seen that
little prairie
eris bangle?
I think. Does anything affect companion damage?
strong ravine
I think. Does anything affect companion damage?
targeting system sweet surrender maim
anything buffing damage taken by enemy
little prairie
As opposed to buffing your damage. Interesting.
magic bane
wow is sweet surrender the only thing that does that lol
little prairie
Blackout I think
4 things is amusing
Do those apply to hoarding slash too? I guess the hammer and aspect ones aren't really relevant. I think this is my last question here.
hollow jacinth
Hoarding slash only applies to attack/dash attack
And it gives the damage after all other bonuses so its not even particularly good with crit builds
Kinda trash
little prairie
And it gives the damage after all other bonuses so its not even particularly goo...
Even after sweet surrender and blackout?
Can companions crit?
magic bane
no lol
fallow vessel
this is the second time ive ever taken cursed slash in 100 hours of play and i just realized wow its fun
magic bane
until you play fo2
strong ravine
it doesnt work tho
fallow vessel
im just glad im at a heat level where its actually viable
bold jolt
who would've thunk
strong ravine
idk how controller
bold jolt
@atomic oak @spare blaze tada
sharp echo
Rocket Splashes are fun.
spare blaze
<@574993937396137984> <@334853357871169536> tada
modded cheat
bold jolt
idk what you're on about
i didn't have a guaranteed 2 sack or first hammer
i definitely didn't have a c22 fountain
tbf i think i would've been fine on a 4 sack as well but then again i did have good hammers lmao
strong ravine
does it have to be zagboqw
bold jolt
would you rather do chiron
iirc they said either zag bow or chiron
oh i forgot to use shady god dammit
i have to do it again
i'll do it unmodded
after i shower
bold jolt
@spare blaze i did it unmodded now are you happy
anviled charged volley into twin and piercing volley
strong ravine
peaver poggies
strong ravine
should have shackled thru
bold jolt
with flood shot
bold jolt
should have shackled thru
ap1ed into frost strike with no reroll
could've sold frost strike but eh
strong ravine
gg
brave charm
bold jolt
purple rd based
warm notch
> starts shackle
first boon is ap2ed into froststrike
warm notch
why am i getting nothing but savior numbskulls
bold jolt
have you tried not getting them
brave charm
have you tried not getting them
That's what I'm saying
hollow fractal
man i feel like this could've been so much better
strong ravine
man i feel like this could've been so much better
bold jolt
if you didn't have common doom i reckon you could've done better lmao
strong ravine
id imagine having ddash probably would have been more helpful
bold jolt
oh i didn't see that lmao
warm notch
yep this is awful
strong ravine
lord protect me
warm notch
literally everything was savior and ely was just shieldguy spam
hollow fractal
if you didn't have common doom i reckon you could've done better lmao
i almost always get common
strong ravine
hollow fractal
yeah because i want to make sure i get the duo
bold jolt
you either get okayish damage and the duo or okayish damage and no duo lmao
brave charm
Can someone do some darkness calculations rq
magic bane
no
warm notch
meanwhile bestia my beloved 
strong ravine
bad time but i played it out to see lernie split
this was lernie wr seed
epic rd epic shot and mirage pre lernie and no pink heads
but i screwd up cast management
and had to run to pick one up for the last head
was banking on a group
sharp echo
Laming it out with Stubborn Roots and Quick Favor. Got Curse of Nausea too so lets see how much I can turtle Dad since ME refused to drop
Succeeded. Dionysus Call is just so good. CoN helps a lot though.
brazen minnow
32 heat on a second weapon, 4 to go.
I wasn’t sure how I did so much with common arte
But then I realized I had a total 134% buff from 2 epic chaos attack
little prairie
I wasn’t sure how I did so much with common arte
I don't think the percent from rarity or poms are that significant compared to say aphro. The chaos synergize very nicely
brazen minnow
Yeah decided to try for Artemis attack for crit instead of Aphro but got stuck with common even after reroll
little prairie
Probably not spending th reroll or most of those poms on it tbh
The 15% crit chance with all those other buffs is most of the value your e going to get and is there on level 1 common
lunar peak
i did not know what i was going for with this at all, worked out surprisingly well
little prairie
When parting shot came up I'm sure it was sweet
lunar peak
When parting shot came up I'm sure it was sweet
i was hoping for every other possible duo boon tbh, i am not good at landing backstabs
little prairie
True shot wrapping back aroundmaybe makes it possible from the front
violet bloom
viscid plaza
Cleared again with similar build
Got fully loaded really early that time too, made it nice
little prairie
Cast builds ❤️
magic bane
it's fun but slow
