h1-victory-boasting

[strong ravine]

nice mirror

[tawdry solstice]

really or ironically

[warm notch]

well the main thing is that you want to use dark foresight over olympian favor in 3rd to last lot, meta mirror for fists and most weapons would also use fiery prescence, boiling blood, deep pockets, and gods pride for 1st, 5th, 7th, and 11th perks but that matters less. dark foresight just gives you a bunch more boons and resources so its much easier to make op builds

[tawdry solstice]

i still am gathering darkness for a theme so not yet

[strong ravine]

the vast majority of darkness comes from bosses

[tawdry solstice]

and also keys and other stuff to maybe buy blood in wretched

[strong ravine]

room reward darkness is like nothing

[tawdry solstice]

i know this

[strong ravine]

so why use of

[tawdry solstice]

because keys and nectar to trade for ambrosia and blood for themes

[warm notch]

the boost to clear speed from dark foresight is probably bigger than the resource rooms you lose

[tawdry solstice]

shadow presence for melee and fiery for ranged
boiling blood and abyssal i kinda choose this and that based on what i feel
deep pockets i tries it and its not bad but i prefer 15%

[strong ravine]

why do you think shadow is better on melee

[tawdry solstice]

i already explained why

[strong ravine]

which is

[warm notch]

fiery is generally used to oneshot stuff in tart so it goes faster

[strong ravine]

and shadow is useless on fists other than dem

[tawdry solstice]

shadow is good for every melee as far as im concerned

[strong ravine]

you get a tiny little boost to your attack which takes flat damage for a reason

or a small hard to get boost on your special

every so often

and you have to pummel everything in tart for longer

[warm notch]

well not like theyre speedrunning and anyways we'll prob get bonked if we talk here longer

[sharp echo]

So lemme get this straight. Youre prioritizing a clear screen wallpaper over being able to max some of the better aspects?

[tawdry solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-possibly-perhaps-gif-14588906

[brazen minnow]

I just use the darker thirst buffed weapon and go on normal runs

Blood and darkness

No need to choose one

Have both

[echo belfry]

Fresh File cleared with the build... Ummm, 2 boons missing?

[left ridge]

Surprisingly close from sub10 considering the fact that I never got ME

And my 300th escape

[sharp echo]

This has been fun, Dad.

[sharp echo]

I now love Zeus+Demeter combos. Jolt, Decay, and Cold Fusion is just so good.

[little prairie]

Im surprises cold fusion isn't "jolted doesn't expire when chilled" or something. Kinda like curse of longing

Run away to get that distant memory jolted! Lol

[left ridge]

Repulse shot gaming

[meager oasis]

Not even every boost

[tawdry solstice]

@primal crown

thanks, i feel more confident in bow now

[primal crown]

Gg

[candid token]

LETS GOOO

[primal crown]

dark thirst carry

[candid token]

yesss hahaha

[bold jolt]

Based td2 dc2 and barely over td3

[candid token]

hahaha

im sloooowww normally xD

and dc 2 is no problem on coronact B)

you get so many hits in anyways

[little prairie]

And not even dio special

Or support fire

[bold jolt]

Conc volley deadly flourish with a chaos boost is fine

% Chiron kinda dies without conc volley

[little prairie]

Meant for dealing with dc specifically. Gotta volley twice or accept the attack is doing no damage

Certainly not a bad build

[west cargo]

Hooray for my 50th clear

[little prairie]

Huzza!

[winter scroll]

Somehow, every time I come to slay big boss with Nemesis in this save profile, I find Lightning Rod and end up kiting him around the pillars while lightning from the sky kills. Heat 0, Heat 1, Heat 2, unbroken Lightning Rod streak so far. Maybe this will change once I unlock the missing Mirror talents... Without Dark Foresight, it's much harder to put my Nemesis together for actual attacking

[strong ravine]

Nem recipe for success boils down to "hit double edge hammer"

[winter scroll]

I found perfect hammers: Double Edge and Breaching Slash, but found no sources of melee damage other than common Artemis Attack

Well, I could have put some poms into that, but it seemed more effective to lean into my cast in preparation for Lightning Rod

[strong ravine]

Build would have come together with DR

deadly reversal

i forgot what the acronym stood for for a moment

[winter scroll]

I was really hunting for it, but didn't get it 😿

[little prairie]

I would have had the opposite reaction, throwing casts away from enemies so they start lightning immediately lol

[strong ravine]

run of the day

[little prairie]

More special hammers for jazz

[strong ravine]

i took hourglass into aspho with no mirage and 3 god pool

[little prairie]

52 second aspho seems fast

[strong ravine]

it was like

1:2x

that’s the biome split

add boss split

oh damn that’s an awful lernie time

i seem to be incapable of actually performing in lernie

i got a 21xx that had like 2 whole ass seconds of timesave

[sharp echo]

What is this madness? Jazz using a normal aspect ratio?

[strong ravine]

it’s obs

i crop it so people watching my vods don’t have to use my ratio

[humble python]

wth is this rng

[strong ravine]

rip no tdash

[warm notch]

curse of drowning best duo trust

[strong ravine]

ngl i thought that was curse of longing

[bold jolt]

Cod is kinda based tho

Tbf the others aren't too useful here anyways

Nothing procs sea storm here unless it's like sword special or shield attack

Cod would probably give you more damage lmao

[strong ravine]

heartbreak strike tho

lodge

[humble python]

I picked that one it was actually fire I had achilles spear with serrated point so at hades I just used the special used 3 flood pulses then shredded him

[strong ravine]

o yea that’s gonna be pretty good

[humble python]

Is this pact good? Any changes? Posting here bc no embed perms in high heat strategies channel

[strong ravine]

hl5 over dc2, also just copy the link and paste it

embeds are allowed

[humble python]

oh ok

[humble python]

I thought dc2 was free with zeus shield

[strong ravine]

it’s not exactly free

extra 2 points in hard labor are certainly less impactful

[humble python]

aight thx

[left ridge]

Hestia dash carried me

I was hoping for Cold fusion but I never got jolted

still a neat sub10 tho

[urban bane]

when dad loves you too much to fight you

https://youtu.be/altYAVbif-8?t=66

[west cargo]

My first sub 20 run!!!

[primal crown]

Nice!

[rain ruin]

only run I could finish @strong ravine

[strong ravine]

gg

im gonna pull 19 min

[rain ruin]

I hate flood

dad fight was so bad

[strong ravine]

oh

i might jsut not complete one then

im so bad

[rain ruin]

just get additive

[strong ravine]

how

[rain ruin]

rd wells

[strong ravine]

instructions unclear rolled sell well twice

[hollow remnant]

If anyone was curious
3sack
just enough to loose the casts from wells :)

[bold jolt]

incredibly based

[winter scroll]

Finally lucked into Clockets, while having multiple +Special% boons from Chaos, with Poseidon Special and Tidal Dash and Sea Storm, Pressure Points, Hunter's Mark, Urge to Kill. Unbelievable devastation. Never seen anything quite like it in this game.

[strong ravine]

gg tempest flourish

[winter scroll]

Final boss midphase transitions (gated by Impervious) took 1-2 Clocket shots each. No laser array in Phase 2 at all.

↑ I took Tempest Flourish after Chaos Special boons, so its lower damage number already didn't matter. Just needed to fill the slot. The knockback ended up serving me well.

[winter scroll]

Finally managed a comfortable Poseidon Aspect Crush Shot run. It exposes you a lot at short range, so you really have to maneuver carefully. Athena Dash helps a bit. In return, the damage is pretty damn good. The final boss got "crushed" rather quickly.

[hollow remnant]

Got out of ely in 8:15
time got destroyed on styx 4sack
Running with achilles is really fun tho

[primal crown]

hermes did you dirty

[hollow remnant]

yeah...
only boon with rarity the first time was side hustle, then I rolled, again everything comum and not useful, but the epic side hustle showed again, so I picked, I know that doesnt matter much tho
also, lately he is loving to show up beside a must-pick room

Idk what I did to him, but he be hatin me a bit lately

[hollow remnant]

Ok, I got nemesis sword and got heoric rush delivery then next room I upgraded to heroic
the gods themselves want me to play nemesis

[primal crown]

(last one before we should move out )
damn you got the legendary heroic*2

[hollow remnant]

5 sack :)

[primal crown]

oh c'mon

rip

[bold jolt]

lmfao

game does not like you

[hollow remnant]

I got out of ely at 8min and 2s

[strong ravine]

nice battle rage poms

[hollow remnant]

Hades is jelous because I be playing ULTRAKILL

[primal crown]

smth smth amir watches all the runs happening and messes with them manually

[bold jolt]

he giveth and he taketh away

[hollow remnant]

I got tony vermied btw

I got a surface fish tho, so Im happy

[strong ravine]

i heard you guys like stones

first 53x

[magic bane]

i mean . . .

i guess there's 32 done

[strong ravine]

nice 1.2.0

and dem call

[magic bane]

phtbbt

i tried to swap it for zeus

[left ridge]

So close yet so far from sub10 dad did so many "darkness!" in the first phase

I had over a minute to do it but my dps was too low

[sullen hornet]

80% dodge chance lmao

[little prairie]

Zag plume!

[west cargo]

I got a chamber 9 exclusive access

Decided to do all 5 for sack just cuz I liked the build so much

Literally the only non epic boon I received was the Dionysus call that I used to get the access

[little prairie]

So many pretty colours

[quartz patrol]

i dont know what to say i just went in randomly and ended up with a build that absolutely melted everything especially bosses very high damage with the Zeus attack and trippy shot that had two duos on it

[strong ravine]

wait eris starts at 15?

thought it started at 30

common haste blue rd type of damage

the % at lvl1

[quartz patrol]

what

[quartz patrol]

oh ye the aspect is only level 1 cus i dont realy use the rail

[strong ravine]

eris is really good

good choice

[quartz patrol]

thanks it did combine well with the trippy shot

[left ridge]

Scintillating feast, ice wine and cold fusion is a neat combo

[quartz patrol]

yep it is

[golden peak]

random run where i picked up whatever looked cool and sounded nice and endd up button mashing to make use of them

[strong ravine]

nice pact

[golden peak]

your c--- in the name of someone very sore right now

[strong ravine]

16/20

[thick grotto]

is this good for a second clear?

[little prairie]

The time? Probably faster than most second clears, yeah

[thick grotto]

nice

[little prairie]

If speed is what you enjoy, I'm sure you'll have even faster clears soon

[thick grotto]

gotta move fast and hit hard

i had the timer heat thingy on too

pierced butterfly clutch fr fr

[little prairie]

Ah right 1 heat

19:43 means you probably would have been fine on tight deadline 3 unless your speed was super uneven

[strong ravine]

you’re generally better off with god keepsakes

[drifting shell]

FINALLY GOT ALL BOUND, LES GOOOOOOOOOO

[thick grotto]

i have no idea how to do that but good job i like the chibi

[magic bane]

yooo nice work

now get all of them to 3 ⭐ :)

[little prairie]

[drifting shell]

thats easy, just kinda annoying

[drifting shell]

reach maximum hearts with a character and it will give you a chibi

[placid cairn]

decent run :3

[strong ravine]

interesting pact

[hollow remnant]

Folks...
After 840 hours, I have a verdict.
Sword is my favourite weapon (not by a large margin tho)

[magic bane]

took you long enough

[wary brook]

You was using your cast though

[hollow remnant]

Exactly, so good you can even not use it and still work amazingly!

[left ridge]

Coin purse in styx gaming

[kind lichen]

thought this build would be better but meh

[little prairie]

Does looks very effective, been wanting to try it out

[kind lichen]

a better pp and hades call would've been helpful too

and hermes really didn't want to give RD

after 3 tries

[winter scroll]

A Hera run totally did not go as planned. Started with Aphrodite keepsake hoping for her cast, got her Attack. Four gods showed up in Region 1, 3 of them trying to replace my Cast, so I settled on Crush Shot after all. Things were looking good for a cast-focused run when I spotted a Chaos Gate. However, Chaos failed to offer good Cast boons, and later circumstances forced me to take many pommable filler boons, and practically all later poms missed my Crush Shot, which is how I ended up with shocking level 5 Static Discharge for my Zeus Special, on Hera with Crush Shot. What was interesting however, is that I found Flurry Shot with Aphrodite Legendary which work surprisingly well together. Faster fire rate allows you to proc Charm consistently, and it even works on the last boss. What's especially amazing is all the skulls and filth pots he spawns? He runs off to attack them (while gleefully laughing!), leaving you alone!

[hollow jacinth]

close

[rain ruin]

Almost there

Bring it home

[hollow jacinth]

i lost sd in tis fight and dad fight

stun

[left ridge]

New bow pb

Rerolled twice for rd in Aspho but didn't get it I sold parting shot in styx to get 3rd hermes boon and then found it again lol

[magic bane]

banger build but idk if zagbow is the best for it

[left ridge]

I'm more used to heart rend zagbow but I got athena in Tart so I figured I better go for deadly reversal instead

Hunting blades was intended, I got lucky but parting shot was completely coincidental

[magic bane]

weird

what is heart rend even used on

[left ridge]

Nemesis

[magic bane]

oh right

[bold jolt]

also zag bow lmao

sometimes occasionally

[magic bane]

pash?

[strong ravine]

easier is just aph atk

[left ridge]

I'm more of a pash enjoyer lol, I like having a big crit chance

[strong ravine]

i just dont like the concept of pash dash

and the fact that it doesnt work without dashing into them is part of it

also the fact that you have pash dash

[wary brook]

Big paragraph

[wary brook]

Why hunting blades on bow?

Should do achilles

Even pos or hera

Im not sure if you can get it on hera or beo

But still

[winter scroll]

Interesting run that seriously raised my valuation of Aspect of Poseidon, Poseidon Cast, cast builds, and even Dash Nova, all at once. Started with "surprise me" Coin Purse and immediately got Poseidon Cast. Lucked into Snow Burst from Demeter, natural Artemis with Exit Wounds, Chaos Ammo boon, and finally into Artemis Legendary, making short work of the rest of the run. Turns out, Poseidon Cast doesn't just have good damage and stupidly large AoE, but Poseidon's knock-away effects work on armored enemies, which becomes significant when you can spam your cast really hard, pushing enemies out of engagement range and sometimes grouping them up for the AoE. In other words, this Cast can protect you. As for Dash Nova, I saw it as "not recommended" somewhere, and thought it was inconvenient before, but it turns out to be great for mobility when you lack Greatest Reflex, because it gives you another button which instantly moves you farther away than a dash can, in an arbitrary direction, and it seems to be very good at canceling other animations. Very handy for dodging the last boss's swings.

[strong ravine]

dash nova sucks because it ruins your positioning given that you do normal attack rotation

[winter scroll]

I get that, but we're talking Poseidon Aspect Cast setup

I thought I saw it mentioned as "not recommended" specifically for this. Could be false memory

[strong ravine]

i mean it's still the same way because it would be annoying if you're next to someone you want to dislodge from and when you special it takes you away from them

[winter scroll]

I could see that happening when using Crush Shot. With other casts, I prefer to stay a bit farther away from the enemies trying to hit you in the face

Worth mentioning that Poseidon Cast also pushes them away, which might be why Dash Nova felt so good in this run

When running up to them to smack them with Special, Dash Nova makes this faster

[strong ravine]

Valued Customer LV. 3

[magic bane]

i forget who wanted to see this

@bold jolt

titan blood was 480

hermes 200

[bold jolt]

I didn't ask for this but incredibly based

[winter scroll]

Finally put together Hunting Blades, pairing them with Lightning Rod which works out excellently since the Bloodstones are never wasted. But I wasn't too impressed by the DPS, and Ares' Cast doesn't seem to do very much without Hunting Blades, so I'm not quite sold

The cast is not well pommed because the run started with "surprise me" Coin Purse and Dionysus

[wary brook]

Were you using the Achilles thing to get more damage

Even if you weren’t, hunting blades has crazy damage

Idk what you mean

You even had ares legendary

[bold jolt]

Hunting blades with ares boost can instaphase hades

Or at least get pretty close

[strong ravine]

dashes though

idt you have that on dashes

altho i think thats flurry

[bold jolt]

Yeah that's flurry

It's still a lot of damage regardless tho

I'd say near instaphase

For first phase

[strong ravine]

funky set of cores

it probably does with a call tho

[winter scroll]

Sure, I was using Special to boost my casts. What was that about dashes though?

And sure Hades died quickly enough so maybe "not impressed" is not a precise enough valuation. Maybe I'm comparing to the wrong things like some recent Cast based builds (Hera Crush Shot and the like)

This just isn't exactly burst damage

[strong ravine]

not enough poms in the cast

[winter scroll]

Yeah got it far too late

[strong ravine]

achilles hb is burst damage

thats why extra stones arent nearly as high value as on other castspects

[echo belfry]

Why ask for Athena's help when Ares can help you escape the Underworld on Fresh File attempt

[hollow remnant]

I did my first 40 heat run

[whole raft]

Green lazy build. Too much green

[whole raft]

really hate hunting blade when combining with Mirage shot. It's fun but yelling at the screen for the Artemis/Poseidon duo boon to appeared to toxic for my mental health

[echo belfry]

The strangest attempt I do, but i will take the win lol

[hollow jacinth]

Lmao nice

[whole raft]

Miserable build and how to increase the odd misery of choosing Stygian Soul and Hera Bow.

[left ridge]

New shield pb despite a 3:xx tart exist

It's my third sub9

[winter scroll]

Had similar experiences with Stygian Soul, when unable to get more ammo, basically gave up on the idea. If anyone has suggestions how to reliably get more ammo, I'm all ears

[left ridge]

Reroll wells to get a light of ixion asap

[whole raft]

Yelling at Chaos begging them to give you the boon. Or extremly lucky getting buyable cast at the shop or even Artemis legendary. Otherwise it's misery in disguise

[winter scroll]

Rerolling wells is a new idea to me. Might try after maxing my Fated Persuasion

[whole raft]

Usually i only do Stygian Soul on Achilles Aspect and the Demeter lazer or Dionysus purple bomb

[winter scroll]

Currently I use it for non-cast builds to marginally reduce likelihood of Hermes cast boons, especially when running Lambent Plume. Even for Achilles with non-lodging casts, the burst potential of Infernal Soul seems too valuable to pass, and you can melee in the meantime. That's the current preference anyway, but apparently both playstyles can work. Looking forward to rerolling wells and getting nothing useful.

[wary brook]

Did a hunting blades build again because someone mentioned it.

I got hunting blades right before Lernie and got vicious cycle in styx. W chaos boon

This is my second save so I dont have as much stuff

[winter scroll]

Can you consistently get it that early?

[wary brook]

Yeah

I got a little lucky finding ares in tartarus

But it was the last room before meg so it didnt make much of a difference

[golden peak]

same but its with fist and i did bad throughout

[golden peak]

i tried a special only run and its underwhelming

[left ridge]

77% crit chance on recovery is neat but yeah the special isn't very strong

[little prairie]

Thunder flourish was my go to when I did a bunch of runs eith zag spear to complete hammers.

It's in a weird in between space of damage done per strike.

[whole raft]

but you can use the advantage to crit with something else rather than the special. (Hunter's mark) I use this for Achilles Aspect and it really crit the cast with the help of Hunter's Mark and PP, dropping Dio's cast on daddy Hades is an delighted fun even with Stygian soul. Still the requirement for the amount of duo boon for Dio's cast to become splendid is questionable though.

[golden peak]

this was the highest damage bow run ive done
i think exploding shot made me half charge most my shots

[willow root]

61 seconds over 50 minutes

[winter scroll]

Managed to put together Merciful End + Hunting Blades before the final boss. The Blade Rifts somehow felt more effective than last time, probably due to having more poms in the cast. The boss melted quite nicely.

[strong ravine]

funniest possible achilles build

[winter scroll]

Massive Chaos rarity boost + Gods' Legacy do a great job enabling multiple duos and legendaries

Actually, does Duo / Legendary increase depend on Chaos boon rarity or is it fixed at 10%?

[strong ravine]

10%

[winter scroll]

This build also featured three great hammers: Flurry Jab, Extending Jab, and Triple Jab, all in one. Not that it mattered.

[little prairie]

Achilles build doing a lot.

[wary brook]

Nice run

Why bouldy though

Im not criticizing

Im genuinely curious

[strong ravine]

unmaxed mirror

probably darkness farming

[wary brook]

Oh right

[hollow remnant]

TREE MIN TART?
... does the mod pack do something after tartarus too?

cuz if not, I am way more hopefull with my tart times lol

[strong ravine]

well it guarantees 2sack

[bold jolt]

No barge and no bull

[hollow remnant]

oh man, no barge feels like a dream lately

but well, for someone who is aiming for sub10s, that isnt too much. beside the 2sack, of course

[rain ruin]

where td

[little prairie]

Triple explosive ❤️

[quiet lark]

best run with my worst weapon

[violet bloom]

cant do td1

[little prairie]

Eh?

[strong ravine]

too hard

[little prairie]

Do you think that the 9 minutes is for the whole clear?

[strong ravine]

no

[violet bloom]

yes

[little prairie]

Lol

[strong ravine]

the time is 9 minutes for the first biome

the split was 11:50 for tart

[little prairie]

Just dash the td damage

Also, just do your best time

Then you won't even exceed td1

[left ridge]

It guarantees a 2sack and prevents some minibosses (barge of death, Asterius, rat)
The only reason I didn't reset is because I already had arty attack and charged shot (which isn't guaranteed because mod pack is partly incompatible with OlympusExtra)

[quartz patrol]

nice Achilles crystal run managed a lot of duos also a lot of Zeuz

[winter scroll]

I've been realizing that I take too many filler boons which prevent me from pomming the important boons, especially on cast builds. This time, I took the idea of avoiding fillers to heart. The cast could easily have been above level 12, I just deliberately put some poms into other useful boons like Snow Burst because it seemed like more damage. Maybe it wasn't.

[little prairie]

Is that rare crop? Rare crop is unforunately probably bugged with Hera making the cast do randomly less damage sometimes. It's not super well understood, but I think the advice is to not take rare crop with hera or (on Beo) passion and icy flare or the charged shot hammer.

[strong ravine]

in general on beo

[little prairie]

heroic level 12 crush shot does look fun

[little prairie]

Oh?

[strong ravine]

im not risking anything

[little prairie]

Is tehre any known weirdness other than with those 3 isntances on Beo?

[strong ravine]

well honestly cshot bug is enough past like c6

but the cast damage might vary as wel

[winter scroll]

That's Rare Crop all right. Didn't know about that bug

[left ridge]

Perfect clear is always neat

[winter scroll]

Another run that did not go to plan. (Also another perfect clear!) Started Hestia with Aphrodite Keepsake hoping for her Attack, but ended up with Poseidon Attack, which was eventually justified via Sea Storm (and Tidal Dash to boot). This is very comfortable to play, because rapidly pushing enemies is pretty good at disabling them, and it even works on shielded Exalted, Sea Storm actually deals damage when they block your Attack shots and barely get pushed. This involved rapid-firing Hestia, but that is not exactly a waste, you still manually reload between enemies and benefit from first shot damage. Compare to Eris which gets completely "wasted" when you take Clockets, not that it matters at that point. Anyway this was some massive DPS.

[little prairie]

clearly you're ready for em4

[unkempt drum]

42 streak

damn

[winter scroll]

There are some screenshots above with 60 and such, so clearly it's not a biggie. Also you can always give up when a run is not going too well and preserve your streak, I think most people just don't bother

I've reset some runs at the beginning

Honestly looking forward to losing this streak so I can stop "tryharding" and start experimenting more

[bold jolt]

if they have the modded icons, 50 of them are from the max save and don't technically count lmao

[winter scroll]

Oh? Didn't know that

[bold jolt]

well not all modded runs give you 50 for free, but sometimes lmao

if the total wins dont add up then it's a max save

[strong ravine]

best build ever?

[violet bloom]

yeah especially without mirage shot

[bold jolt]

Mirage shot makes the build weaker

[strong ravine]

you already have instaphase damage for every enemy

it's true shot

[winter scroll]

Ultimate Poseidon selection. Can I have all three?

[strong ravine]

i’m free

[primal crown]

swift flourish carry

Congrats for real tho

[bold jolt]

what number is this now lmao i haven't been keeping track

16?

[strong ravine]

17

[bold jolt]

big gaming

3 more

[strong ravine]

and for some reason i have multiple mirageless ones

[bold jolt]

mirage shot is a scam

[strong ravine]

this one doesn’t even have an obscene number of stones like the other did

i just had no damage instead

[bold jolt]

epic attack duh

also purple rd kinda helped i suppose

[strong ravine]

yea

[whole raft]

why needed huge catch when you can catch it in multiple run

[whole raft]

not scam though. Work well with Blizzard shot.

[winter scroll]

Well yeah, don't really need Huge Catch, ended up skipping since it has no combat benefits. Maybe having his other legendary would make this the "ultimate" Poseidon selection 🙂

[whole raft]

Second tidal wave plus the mini zipzap Zeus ball legendary really fun though. Catching one time with Chiron and bye bye Daddy Hades when he drowned in the power of his siblings tide and zapping wave

[left ridge]

New zagspear pb, a nice sub10
Exclusive access in Tartarus is fun

[little prairie]

Thunda storms

[primal crown]

Exclusive access and actually useful hermes, great

[little prairie]

Obvi legacy > pride for Hermes

[wary brook]

Very nice seastorm run with zeus shield

I got really lucky with the Zeus lightning boons

But not so much with Poseidon

No second wave or anything that an support the build except for razor shoals

Still worked out well though!

Tbh it was basically just a zeus zeus run

[little prairie]

⛈️

[little prairie]

Did you have to reroll to get that epic nemesis?

[violet bloom]

no i just got it for 35 diamonds

[little prairie]

35?

Special promotion?

[magic bane]

32 grind going well

i still hate chiron

but this was lucky

[winter scroll]

This run slightly changed my opinion about Aspect of Poseidon, Crush Shot, and Dash Nova. You don't want to take Crush Shot and Dash Nova together, unless you also have Super Nova, and maybe not even then. Hitting enemies with Special becomes a pain. Dash Nova should still be fine on other casts, it's just Crush Shot that requires you to stay at extremely close range. Also couldn't get Blown Kiss the entire run, so maybe I'll avoid Crush Shot in the future. (Although... when I did get Blown Kiss earlier, I felt like it didn't work at all...)

[magic bane]

dash nova isn't widely popular

messes with positioning

[winter scroll]

I totally get why, it's just Aspect of Poseidon with not Crush Shot where Dash Nova shines. It lets you catch up to enemies sooner, gives you another dash for getting out of danger, and enemies can't interrupt it, plus it's more spammable than normal Nova

[little prairie]

Yeah, I really like dash nova when playing posideon

I now understand its challenges with nemesis

[winter scroll]

Strange Beowulf run where I did everything "wrong" but it turned out rather lucky in the end. Picked Stygian Soul (definitely not the right idea) but got lucky with ammo boons, even the rare Artemis Legendary. Picked True Flare Hunter's Flare because it was on offer (low damage though) and lucked into replacing it with Trippy Flare (great damage), Heroic to boot. Picked Gods' Legacy (still discovering prophesized Duos) but ended up with Rare or Epic everything. Picked Demeter hoping for Snow Burst, but ended up with Ice Wine. Failed to get Mirage Shot, but still observed hitting the final boss for 3k at a time. Maybe Beowulf is always ridiculous. This run definitely involved getting bailed out from many mistakes by silly luck.

[strong ravine]

Stygian is better for trippy

oh but you started hunters

yeah ice wine is kinda sus on beo because of the travel time

[winter scroll]

I kept missing the boss with Dragon Rush, had to hit him near an obstacle to register the Flare hit

I mean I'd hit with the actual rush, but the Flare wouldn't hit unless we were both near a wall

[strong ravine]

yeah thats the problem with ice wine

[winter scroll]

Only picked it for prophecy reasons, might avoid in the future now

[strong ravine]

it's good for non beo or hera

makes trippy a lot easier to use

[bold jolt]

does eury rarity boost fix the pom bug temporarily on beo lmao

[strong ravine]

it wasnt eury i think

replace

[bold jolt]

there's no rare crop boon there

oh

ah i see

i didn't read fully lmao

[strong ravine]

but also pom bug doesnt show up

on victory screen

right

[bold jolt]

yeah it doesnt

[winter scroll]

What kinda pom bug? May have been mentioned before but I forgot

[strong ravine]

on beo trippy flare poms for double what it says

Trippy Flare (Beowulf Only)
Pom scaling is double what the boon itself says
To calculate the actual amount of damage, do:
( (Displayed damage) - 50/60/70/80 (c/r/e/h) )*2
Common lvl 1 trippy flare does 100 damage. Common lvl 2 trippy flare does 220 damage although the boon only says it’s doing 160.

[strong ravine]

instadarkness + weird dash in p2p2

[bold jolt]

Big gaming

[violet bloom]

ap1

nice time tho

i bet ap1 blocked rd

[strong ravine]

no

i got rd

and then rolled down well before styxdad before checking sell well

[bold jolt]

uc cuck

[strong ravine]

🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿

literally didnt even get anything from the well

[bold jolt]

based

40 heat sub9 gaming

[west cargo]

Narrator finally said he’s out of tales to tell me lol

[wary brook]

Which do I take

Im doing a cast build with stygian

I already have 1 extra cast from chaos

This is festive fog

@strong ravine

[strong ravine]

addled shot

[wary brook]

K thanks

[winter scroll]

Hestia run with level 9 Hangover Dash just for the sake of seeing if this does anything useful. Started with "surprise me" Chaos Cosmic Egg and this dash was the least bad thing on offer for quite some time. I really have no excuse but hey, it worked out somehow.

(The 60 streak is not "real", involved some give-up resets and speedhacks or rather slowhacks)

[little prairie]

Not casting on your cast build sounds kind of annoying lol. Achilles?

[wary brook]

Yeah

[little prairie]

I'm kinda surprised Jazz said cast damage.

[strong ravine]

why

epic shot is epic and it's on achilles

[little prairie]

Bonus while not spending as much time casting but when you already have +175%

[strong ravine]

extra stones are cumbersome on achilles

especially a 5th

[little prairie]

Third stone is a bigger increase in damage. Kinda messes up the rotation ig

[little prairie]

Third

[strong ravine]

oh i cant read

still not the worst choice though

because epic shot is epic

[ebon berry]

unmodded 64

[static lion]

The impossible has been done

I can't even say the f-word here lol

not even for a 64 heater???

[bold jolt]

Maybe if you add a few extra vowels it'll bypass the filter

[violet bloom]

Bouldy carry

Proof gifting bouldy can get you anything

We should pin this

The true hades victory

[bold jolt]

Close the channel this is the only valid victory

[warm notch]

wdf

[rain ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909471488892092476/968765905830023189/catresorting.png

[wary brook]

HOLY SHEIOT

haha

Make vid

NOW

[static lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mo-kXjasZs

[twin karma]

Queen

[little prairie]

I forgot about the tooth in aspho. Down at 4hp was tense. Didn't expect the dio mini boss over zeus mini boss or the coins over hammer. I guess having dio or zeus as call options was worth more than splitting bolt or double strike.

[ivory sky]

going for 32 heat on all weapons, two down

[primal crown]

Have fun

[little prairie]

Not even last second

[strong ravine]

Not even close

[little prairie]

(3 sack made things interesting, lost patty cause of it)

This is probably a totally realistic expectation for builds while having the plume equipped the whole time.

But yeah, finished that with 9 fated authorities left lol.

Spent 0

Epic positive outlook lvl 3 undeniably saved my buttox lol.

[winter scroll]

I like my Zagfists+Plume runs, tend to go really well, but this had the filthiest luck of them all. Immediately got Dionysus Attack and got to pom practically just it and nothing else, followed by the best hammer, followed by Artemis and then immediate Splitting Headache for nice automatic crit, followed by Aphrodite into Passion Dash into Low Tolerance, eventually followed by Heart Rend for complete face melting, accompanied by a variety of nice support boons including near invulnerability with 65% dodge chance, Broken Resolve, and Different League, all in one package. Absolute filth.

This also got me to appreciate the utility of Passion Dash a bit more, it normally doesn't have the damage potential of Tidal Dash, but in this run, it was a higher priority to get, even though I had Poseidon available

[little prairie]

Eyyy, twinsies

[little prairie]

I totally forgot heart rend works with the combo. I guess I'm fine with the 3 I got but still

[brave charm]

This is the craziest run I have ever seen

[winter scroll]

Achilles with Blizzard Shot, Mirage Shot, Greater Recall ended up very strong at the end, instaphasing the boss, instakilling everything across the field, but it was very painful to play until I found Greater Recall, and nearly unusable against mobile targets. It deals strong damage on impact (was seeing crits for 1.7k), and the stuff it leaves behind deals some residual damage, but it does not home on targets like normal shots do. Anyway not something I'd recommend doing often

[magic bane]

you've inspired me

imma do a blizz shot run

[little prairie]

Angel is so good at pushing elites into the exploding eggs at the right times

[brave charm]

My first 32 heat run

[strong ravine]

nice pact

[magic bane]

its rama chill out

[strong ravine]

js2 cp2

[magic bane]

oh td1

goofy

[strong ravine]

yea

also mirror

[brave charm]

Yeah I just chose what I felt comfortable with

[primal crown]

Gaming

[brave charm]

I don't feel comfortable with the other mirror options

[strong ravine]

fated persuasion?

[magic bane]

and golden touch?

[brave charm]

Yeah

[magic bane]

oh well

[little prairie]

authority does seem better at adding zeus to your zeus. Just collect all his boons.

Also, congrats! On the run and the statue

[strong ravine]

enjoy the beautiful work of art

[brave charm]

It is so beautiful

My Rama also consists of Athena attack for some reason I always go for it

[subtle rapids]

"Imagine being beaten up by your own son at max heat too 🤣🤣🤣" - Elysium Zag-Fan Shade

[strong ravine]

gg

[bold jolt]

Incredibly based pin

[brazen minnow]

FIRST SUB 15

[little prairie]

Acorn might have been a little excessive there lol

ME!

Sub 15 by a bit

[brazen minnow]

Yeah

I figured acorn would let me ignore attacks for a bit and just keep attacking

[subtle rapids]

True

[brazen minnow]

Just realized, its also exactly my 200th run

[brazen minnow]

Strange pact

[fluid coral]

How so?

[brazen minnow]

I would avoid the extra health

Extra 30% on bosses is worse than you might think

So is the trap one

Paraphrasing the 32 heat guide, “it seems free until you take 120 damage from a pot in dad fight”

JS isn’t great but works kind of. Slows you down a lot though

[fluid coral]

I don't really care about my time, and traps, even the pots almost never pose a legitimate threat to me. If I'm taking damage from pots, then I'm already being sloppy enough that something else would have killed me anyways.

[strong ravine]

trap damage sucks and cp2 sucks

trap damage is obvious

cp2 means longer boss fights

so more opportunities to get hit

same with js but for enemies

[fluid coral]

As for the extra health, yeah, on bosses it's an issue, but my confidence in my dodging chance is in a weird position. I'm confident enough to be willing to risk more chances of getting hit, but not confident enough to be willing to risk bigger hits. Either way, it works out for me.

[strong ravine]

have u tried extreme measures

[fluid coral]

Not yet. Haven't had to dip into that for my heat runs yet.

[strong ravine]

first two levels are basically free heat

[brazen minnow]

It’s best pact

[warm notch]

you could also use benefits package instead of cp and js

[strong ravine]

tight deadline first two levels are also free heat if you use better builds and pause during decisions and stuff

[brazen minnow]

Em3 is free 6 heat if you’re used to heroes

[strong ravine]

no

em3 is actually kinda annoying on melee

and also speedrun

[fluid coral]

I'll just keep playing the way I feel comfortable playing. I hate tight deadline. I need my time to think and plan. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm notch]

rocket bullrush fun

[brazen minnow]

I don’t speedrun and don’t think he does too

[strong ravine]

it doesn’t go during pause

or in boon menus

[fluid coral]

I don't do speedruns though. Again, I'll play the way I feel comfortable, and I've adapted to this set of pacts, so changing it is gonna feel weird.

[strong ravine]

play how u wanna

[fluid coral]

To be fair, you are not the first to call my choices of pact into question, lol. It happens pretty much any time I post.

[fervent bramble]

stunning, you are absolutely incredible, great job

[copper walrus]

Congrats! I was just watching your vid and thought that you'd have probably boasted here too 😄 The bragging rights are insane!

[vestal zinc]

Let's gooooooo

[autumn bronze]

the build

[bold jolt]

Chaos and Athena dd lmao big gaming

Nice chaos too damn

[primal crown]

Gg

[winter scroll]

We have #h1-victory-boasting but do we have #hades-defeat-sorrow 🙈

[jagged rose]

By the power of being up at 2 AM last night, I got the magic run and FINALLY got sub 8. Im so happy

[little prairie]

Didn't even need parting shot

[jagged rose]

I was goin for it but game said no

Epic shot in early tartarus carried hard

[little prairie]

Yeah, looks like middling luck on the build tbh

makes the time even more impressive

[hollow jacinth]

Nah this build is pretty cracked

Hyper delivery, epic shot from chaos, 2 op hammers, +1 cast

[winter scroll]

Too many nice things to fit on the screenshot. This is not too broken since all those cast damage bonuses (Aspect + Bouldy) don't apply to Sea Storm / Splitting Bolt / Lightning Rod, but it's beautiful to see all those things packed together in one build, and hey, it was enough to more or less instaphase the last boss. Pretty good luck in this run. Too bad I didn't manage to get Mirage Shot or Artemis Legendary, should really switch back to Gods' Legacy. Although... is it even possible to get 5 Duos / Legendaries in one run, or is there a hidden limit?

[primal crown]

No hidden limit, just luck

[little prairie]

Oh, I missed the chaos. It's only common hyper deliv

I think I've hit all 6 duos before

[winter scroll]

Oooh nice!

[winter scroll]

Did a Crystal Beam / Cold Embrace run because it was prophesized by the Fates as inevitable. Probably won't be doing that anymore. The turrets have decent potential DPS, but I found it really fiddly to run around to manipulate positioning, as opposed to, y'know, just attacking enemies. It didn't help that in my infinite wisdom, I paired this with the worst possible attack: Poseidon attack, which would instantly push enemies away from turret beams.

[hollow jacinth]

Looks like you almost became hades during his lazers attack

[winter scroll]

Yeah but backwards 😂

[little prairie]

I think I just went back and forth between two points on my achilles cold embrace run. Pos special would be worse, I think. Attack you can at least go past and knock them back in a hopefully straight line.

[hollow jacinth]

Legacy 🤯

[strong ravine]

sorry i was playing hera

ill switch back)

[upper tangle]

https://pasteboard.co/Bgv9D1boZDyo.png

FInally, 32 heat done after years

[primal crown]

Gaming

[bold jolt]

Massive gaming

[little prairie]

So many hearts

New speed record on your first 32 is impressive

[upper tangle]

Speed record was inevitable because I had never used TD3 before those attempts

[bold jolt]

oh this is 38 secs overtime

damn clean fight then

[winter scroll]

My first comfortable Rama run. Nothing special about the build (bog-standard common sense), but gotta thank the pinned guide https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide for "selling" and explaining Rama and linking a nice video, which was quite helpful in understanding how to play. The aspect is a lot better than I thought at first.
Edit: also figured out a neat trick: put Artemis on your Special (I forced Artemis in Region 2 or 3 to make this happen) and get Hunter's Mark. Using Special on a group of enemies is likely to proc Hunter's Mark, which benefits your subsequent Attack. Nice DPS boost.

[left ridge]

Eris sub10
Hestia on special with cluster bomb is pretty fun

[strong ravine]

hestia on special broke my brain a little

[left ridge]

I think it's the second time someone says that x)

[sudden solstice]

I got my brand new PR

I’ve been playing for 10 hours and I’ve beaten 3 runs out of 53

[quartz patrol]

i can easily say this is basically a perfect crystal run and more abit unlucky with the poms but holy is this lucky and very very strong one of my best runs yet and definitely my best crystal run i was just very lucky

[primal crown]

mom pom surely did a ton there

[quartz patrol]

only put her for styx cus i had nothing else to put

[little prairie]

Hour glass

For a 4th cast to.complete the rotation

Or defensive

[primal crown]

dad call could also work

[quartz patrol]

i actually passed out on another chaos get this run in favor of something else so who knows maybe i could have had a 4th cast

[little prairie]

0 stones on my 4 chaos screens

[quartz patrol]

i think he has something against you

[winter scroll]

I know I post too much in this channel, but I've got to boast about this run, even if just this one. This felt like the most godlike run ever. Started with Aspect of Poseidon and Ares, figured I'd try Ares + Demeter for prophecy reasons. Found natural Artemis and figured it's change of plan into Hunting Blades. Region 1 was comfortable but a bit of a struggle to make it under the 7 minutes timer. What followed in Region 2 was a bonanza of Hunting Blades, Mirage Shot, Hermes Legendary, Artemis Legendary, accompanied by Tidal Dash + Breaking Wave + Second Wave for a secondary damage source as an insult to injury, backed by the perfect combination of supporting damage and cast boons from Artemis, Demeter, and Ares. Only narrowly missed the Ares Legendary, but didn't need it. Not a single Chaos Gate, but didn't need that either. This Aspect might have less +cast% damage than Achilles, but the damage was more than good enough, and you have it always, without the clunky Special. I think I prefer the sword's moveset, and I like Dash Nova. Anyway the result was a neverending vortex of destruction, instaphasing all the bosses and minibosses, and making the rest of the enemies look like vermin. In the close quarters of Styx, the combination of wall-bouncing Hunting Blades and Tidal Dash + Breaking Wave left absolutely no part of any corridor room free from devastating damage. Pretty fun. Obviously not every run goes this way, but I'm a lot more impressed by Hunting Blades than in some early attempts.

This wouldn't be anywhere near as fluid without the Hermes Legendary, but would still work just fine I think

[left ridge]

No such thing as posting too much in a channel made for boasting
Three legendaries is always amazing

[subtle rapids]

Oh yeah i remember getting 4 duos and 2 legendaries in 1 run once but lost the details

But i swear on my life the 64 heat clear is going to spread faster than a canadian wildfire in summer

Its so hot i could use the as the visual alternative to when i wanna have a personal "Zag + Meg/Than" moment

[brazen minnow]

ME build that diddnt get ME

[primal crown]

Heroic titan toppler gaming

[proud heath]

first 8 heat (':

or 9 apparently

[primal crown]

Gg

[tall topaz]

How is everyone playing the fist so much

Feel like it's the only weapon I can't get the hang of

[subtle rapids]

IDK I just like Bow

[upper coral]

@tall topaz it's really good for facetanking

aka ignoring danger and tanking by killing/interrupting/stunning things as fast as possible

in my opinion (as a fan of fisting) it's the easiest way to play sub-10 heat

[strong ravine]

fists just requires good build making

it's still the worst weapon in the game

but it can output decent dps with a strong ME build

[upper coral]

true, it's hard to make work without ME (lightning is ok on low levels)

stun/interrupt will get you far on lower heats

just tapping someone by punching them

[strong ravine]

the easiest way to play 40 or less is to get actual damage

[upper coral]

some people are trying to hit 10 clears I assume

I did enjoy the yoyo build

as a fool, it's fairly foolproof

ah but I came here to congratulate Angel1C

[tall topaz]

THIS, I just love the seeking special so much

[tall topaz]

Which god to you go for on attack?

[strong ravine]

zeus or ares

ares requires a specific setup

a wealth of poms as well

check the build guide

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[upper coral]

for playing casually (sub 16, I know I'm bad) I like zeus unless I am going for ME in which case I'll do ares.

but if you go for ME you have to get ares attack, athena dash, and some legendaries. fun for ez mode! wouldn't play a round in a way that relied on it tho...

I guess speedrunners do

fists don't get a lot of benefit from +X% boons

they're fast attacking so you want raw damage or a fun combo (like ME)

as everyone here knows

[strong ravine]

good dad

wait

how was it so long

i guess it could have been 3s in p2p2

[upper coral]

modded?

[strong ravine]

hyper

[upper coral]

nice

[tall topaz]

Trying to get it is probably they reason I don't enjoy the fists. I'll just try Zeus after work and see how it goes

I always play the weapon that gets the darkness buff but for some reason it only jumps between 2 or 3 weapons. Is it in some way correlated to heat/playtime on a weapon

[upper coral]

facetank! zeus fists give you a strong offense. be smart on bosses.

[upper coral]

yeah it always does bow and spear for me, they can duck off

[tall topaz]

Yeah exactly

I had it do this 5 times yesterday

Haven't played the gun in 10 runs

[upper coral]

gun can be very good

[tall topaz]

If I get to play it I can try 🙂

[upper coral]

I'm lazy so I can tell you the laziest gun strats

[tall topaz]

Zeus attack?

[upper coral]

for sure

[bold jolt]

(should probably move to #h1-builds-and-combat or something)

[strong ravine]

what the hell

i just got ratted 4 times in hyyper

oh does quitting out break it

[warm notch]

welp washed. kinda when rd is crossed out twice and I forget to proc sd so I can actually take a chaos gate

[upper coral]

what's the splits mod @strong ravine

[strong ravine]

comes with modpack

[bold jolt]

@upper coral here's your hestia run

had shackle until end of elysium

picked up epic aphro attack in ely at 100% lmao

[upper coral]

nice

I do genuinely love the dashstrike stuff

it sounds so fun

[bold jolt]

got lucky with chaos lmao

hatling lunge in ely was kinda sus but oh well

need bigger numbers

[upper coral]

one of those classic downgrades

[bold jolt]

was getting 741 without boiling blood in dad fight

i forgot to use my cast

861 with boiling blood god dammit lmao there goes my free damage

[upper coral]

ez

seems like a real fun setup! aphro on atk to get + %

is the crit on special just for fun? I am a baby and see no green

[strong ravine]

arty is best special for hestia

[upper coral]

ss has art special?

oh!

art means two goddesses

so it's ambiguous

smart

[strong ravine]

?

who else

[upper coral]

nvm I'm stupid and embarrassed

[strong ravine]

gg

[upper coral]

honestly at this point I'm trying to hit@100% on eating this burrito

[bold jolt]

based

[upper coral]

dang I didn't record it

[warm notch]

thats a lot of wells

[strong ravine]

there was a well in 34

and i had no hermes

but had saved all my rolls for him

so i said ok asshat and rolled down the well instead

[fluid coral]

Tonight's clear, and final run of the evening for me, it's almost 5 AM, lol.

[strong ravine]

this is cursed

[fluid coral]

how is it cursed?

[strong ravine]

multiple sources of hangover

dio attack

tempest flourish

pstatus

biggest one is the multiple sources though

those 28 damage ticks getting overwritten by 10

[fluid coral]

I was making due with what the game was willing to give me. On the plus side, Exclusive Access was gained during Tartarus, and it shows.

[strong ravine]

when you have multiple sources of hangover the most recent one overwrites the damage from the others

[fluid coral]

okay, didn't know that. neat.

[strong ravine]

so if you hit dad after stacking with the call those 5 stacks of 28 will now be 5 stacks of 10

or something to that effect

[fluid coral]

To be fair, the Attack was what I got first, and I got the Call because I wasn't feeling the other options, and needed to save my rerolls to ensure I got Athena Dash.

At the end of the day... I made it work, and all of this is on top of the cursedness that is hangover on Excalibur, lol.

Honestly, just the chunkitude of Excalibur alone probably carried that run, assisted with some good Hammers, and that beautiful Attack Speed boost from Hermes.

And assuming "pstatus" means my pact choices, I've already discussed those in a previous discussion, lol.

[tall topaz]

Daym your runs take ages. And your heat is weird, but gj

[autumn bronze]

i wouldnt wish that pact upon anyone

[strong ravine]

yoptimal

[whole raft]

Lightning field with drunk Daddy

[little prairie]

Good times being had

Oh wait that's unhealthy, not black out. The less fun kind of party

[left ridge]

nice streak

[viscid plaza]

First playthrough of the day, too

And first time I've done it successfully with a melee weapon

(not counting shield bc bull rush is strong)

[whole raft]

Rshoals lovely on dash, beside Dio dash.

[left ridge]

Hades spear sub10

[modern python]

I discovered the joy of Beowulf's shield with Ares cast

Im not the best so I got hit alot but when I pulled off the cast it deleted healthbars

[viscid plaza]

Two clears in a row

I had two chaos boons that gave me special damage, this was by far the most fun I've had in a single run

[fluid coral]

I'm not a speedrunner. I don't actually care how long my clears take.

[tall topaz]

I mean, i just value my time, but i dont really have a lot of time to play with work

So maybe its different for me

[modern python]

I dont mind time either though I did some runs with the hermes keepsake which encourages speedrunning and that was fun

[quiet lark]

my runs used to take 40-50 minutes, now its 25-35(harpy feather duster got abandoned)

[winter scroll]

For comparison, I started with 1 hour runs (of ingame time), gradually improved, now typically around 20m on "good" runs when trying. (Although... the last few runs I've been dying to running out of time on TD2 due to completely random "surprise me" picks and following the rarities instead of making sensible choices... And fighting Charon in Region 1 with barely any damage boons (doable but sucks up your time)...)

[little prairie]

The downside of going for time or setting TD is I often can't justify fighting Charon. I might implement a self rule that I have to any time any place.

[winter scroll]

I've had some strong runs with Charon in Region 1 under TD2. Some builds start off with sufficient DPS in Region 1 (Eris comes to mind). My last few runs involve Ares' blade vortex gimmicks, which absolutely can't do that, unless you luck into Hunting Blades before Region 1 midshop, which requires atrociously good luck. His arena makes you lose Bloodstones and he doesn't stay in vortexes, so you're stuck just swining your sword or what have you. Anyway it really depends on what you're rocking

[warm notch]

fighting charon without a shield is

[little prairie]

by sword you mean spear, right?

[strong ravine]

Tisiphone
Phase 1: Special -> Cast (Can cast another time, but risk being hit) -> Attack Cycle
Can also Special -> Cast -> Attack Cycle Once -> Cast -> Attack Cycle
Remember that Attack Cycle is Dash Strike -> Dash Strike -> Special, so the 2nd Cast is buffed
Phase 2 & 3: Special towards the right -> Cast Twice -> Attack Cycle
You can do the same with Phase 1 where you Cast the third after the first Attack Cycle

Alecto
Phase 1: Special -> Cast -> Attack Cycle
Phase 2: Special -> Cast Twice -> Attack Cycle
For the casts, make sure you're lining up perpindicular to the wall behind Alecto so that they bounce back
Phase 3: Special -> Cast -> Attack Cycle
Again, make sure they are perpindicular to the wall behind Alecto
Phase 4: Special -> Cast Twice -> Attack Cycle

Megaera
Phase 1-4: Special -> Cast -> Attack Cycle
The casts from earlier cycles should have dropped by the 4th phase
You can cast multiple times if you have extras
I.e., 2 casts on Phase 3 if there is one laying on the ground already
You can also follow the Alecto cycles, but they are much less consistent due to Meg having a higher chance of dashing away & being farther away from the wall
The casts also tend to end up super far from Meg so they're harder to put out in time
The additional summons also steal your aim assist prior to Meg coming out of the bubble, so they might not even hit Meg

[viscid plaza]

Three in a row, this run sucked. I didnt get greater recall until the very end.

had to play like a wimp at the final fight

[winter scroll]

Interesting info, thanks. To be clear: I meant that blade vortex without Hunting Blades is no good against Charon. It wasn't about the rest of Region 1. Regardless, this is useful 👍

[strong ravine]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit

[lunar peak]

I can't be bothered finding the photo, but a few weeks ago, won first time using rail gun XD 💪

[golden peak]

tried guan yu for the first time lost dd at heroes

[primal crown]

Big special

[little prairie]

How much was a special doing?

[golden peak]

i think fully charged non crits from the front did 900+ but i cant be 100% sure

[little prairie]

Good times. Yeah, is PP a better investment than flourish there? Probably not but

[winter scroll]

First EM4 kill. There is no glory in cheesing it with Hunting Blades. 🌀

[primal crown]

Distant memory carry

[winter scroll]

It's there for level-up purposes only 🤡

[little prairie]

Achilles on Pos

[upper tangle]

Only 21 heat but managed to break my record

Satisfied

[little prairie]

@winter scroll was just saying the posideon build could have easily been an Achilles build

[winter scroll]

It couldn't because I go weapon by weapon, heat level by heat level, in a strict order

[little prairie]

Nice. Guessing you haven't done any rubs specifically for speed cause that'd probably go even faster

[upper tangle]

No I haven't

[winter scroll]

And technically any weapon can benefit from Hunting Blades if you have to use that weapon 🤷‍♀️

[little prairie]

Achilles just benefits from it the most

Don't really need to dislodge stuff there

[winter scroll]

Ironically I'm writing this as I'm running freshly obtained Hunting Blades on Achilles in the very next run (natural, no less, not forced)

[little prairie]

What's your definition of forced?

[winter scroll]

God keepsake in Region 1 and typically in Region 2

This time it was a "surprise me" run, and I got Artemis and Ares back to back in Region 1

[little prairie]

The dream

I like those runs but then I get annoyed if I don't have the mirror just right for them

[winter scroll]

What would you change in the Mirror for Achilles?

I gave up on Stygian Soul because obtaining ammo is hugely unreliable

Haven't tried rerolling wells though

[bold jolt]

well it depends what your standard mirror is lmao

the big ones are infernal soul, dark foresight, and fated persuasion

greater reflex

death defiance

[winter scroll]

Mostly settled on what's on my screenshot, except Stygian Soul for non-Cast aspects, but Infernal Soul is acceptable, which makes this mirror a pretty comfy default for anything, allowing for good "surprise me"

[bold jolt]

yeah that's more or less what your mirror should be apart from death defiance

[winter scroll]

DD / SD is a little experimental for me

[primal crown]

I do be back (got splitting at last zeus and that was barely enough juice lmao)

[winter scroll]

Any way to reopen the "victory screenshot me" UI after closing it when still on the surface?

[viscid plaza]

@winter scroll don't think so.

Have to do it from the records room

[winter scroll]

Wait, you can reopen that UI from the admin room?

[bold jolt]

not even close

[primal crown]

I bought the last zeus as a joke lmao

But idc we take these 💪

[wary brook]

No. I think they mean the past runs record thing

Or maybe you can

But if somehow I dont know that after all this time…

I might need to sit down

[wary brook]

Also the priv stat vs god thingy

[vale scaffold]

one of my best builds yet, second playthrough (had to change to pc cus the game went off of gamepass) , never truly appreciated zeus until now

[autumn bronze]

quite the build

[primal crown]

Zeus^2

[vale scaffold]

the only way i couldve improved it is if i got dionysus and zeuses duo boon, which i was trying to do

[hollow jacinth]

Hyper delivery would have helped too

[strong ravine]

not even close

[vale scaffold]

what do you mean 'not even close'

like genuinly, i cant tell

[vale scaffold]

ohhh, yeah , i almost died, glad i didnt though, it was a really fun run

[wooden violet]

ayyyyyyyyyyy

[strong ravine]

good build

rip impending tho

[wooden violet]

I know it was rough

[autumn bronze]

what 40 heat should i do next

also this waa such a cosy run i had so much health left

[rain ruin]

Hades spear

[wary brook]

Bouncy balls

New theme too

This one is my probably my favorite

[bold jolt]

unfortnite

[golden peak]

broke my lowest time and heat with zag fists

[strong ravine]

sounds like epic rd to me

[bold jolt]

Plume Rd gaming

[winter scroll]

This is the opposite of boasting. Went with "surprise me" random gods and rarity-based picks, ended up with Athena Attack on Rail, which resulted in horrifically low DPS. Survived EM3 Heroes on like 5 HP or something. The run was eventually saved/carried by Tidal Dash / Greatest Reflex which I only put together in Styx, and all Poms went into Support Fire because what else could do DPS 🤦‍♀️

[strong ravine]

poms could have been in tdash

each pom increases support fire damage by 1

the first tdash pom increases it by 21

[winter scroll]

I had no opportunity to Pom Tdash

[strong ravine]

o

[winter scroll]

🪦

[strong ravine]

if you had a roll it would have been worth to roll once for it

[winter scroll]

Maybe that was possible

[primal crown]

no juice and played awfully

[magic bane]

better than me though damn

[bold jolt]

nice heart rend

[primal crown]

2nd hermes didn't show up

had to buy it at styx

[strong ravine]

20/20

[bold jolt]

BASED

[primal crown]

lmao no way

gg

[whole raft]

Die Theseus die you ingrown narcissist. Die under the name of nana Demeter

Puny Lazers

[violet bloom]

imagine this with achilles

[whole raft]

Achilles ruins the fun, since the damage and the condition for cast damage are too high. The Lazers show is short

[bold jolt]

honestly based take

on the other hand, could've use pos sword so you dont have to go through the effort of debuffing enemies

[little prairie]

Arthur for laser fort

[little prairie]

41 > 40 so clearly side hustle > hyper delivery

Fast reload and Snurst (early) and exit wounds were actually pretty clutch late gets for dad

Also, I gotta change to shadowy presence with the chance for parting shot

[quartz patrol]

all i can say is that this run was very scuffed so maky core boons purged

[left ridge]

New poseidon pb but not a sub10 :(

I got Hyacinth in mid aspho so that was cool, but I had a eury chaos midshop conflict

[winter scroll]

Mini-victory: gotta love it when you take Chaos "5 chamber previews are hidden" in Tartarus just before boss shop and there are guaranteed no chamber alternatives anyway for the next 5 chambers, the last of which is the Asphodel entry. (You can check the amount of exit portals in Chaos before touching the beacon.)

[hollow jacinth]

Free curse

[winter scroll]

First Gilgamesh run. Not exactly high-DPS, but absolutely, incredibly fat and invincible. "Surprise me" random start with Demeter attack (this keeps happening on my Fists) ensured there would be no DPS. Several Chaos boons for health (there were no better options) made me incredibly fat, and the game kept offering Hearts over worse options, resulting in one CHONKY health bar. Aphrodite Dash + Epic Broken Resolve ensured that enemy hits would feel like piddly slaps. But they couldn't hit me, because of Gilgamesh Dash + Epic Greatest Reflex + Ruthless Reflex (dodge %) + Lambent Plume (dodge %) + Greater Evasion (dodge %). With high Greatest Reflex, simply holding the Dash button was enough to dodge through anything, like Asterius' or Hades' AoE attacks, so all this health, Weak, and dodge was completely and utterly excessive and decadent. But it did make me feel like an unstoppable juggernaut, so, worth it. The time wasn't that bad either.

[wary brook]

Oh my god

The paragraphs

[winter scroll]

More fun than mute screenshots 🙂

[wary brook]

The dedication though

Respect 🫡

Kinda

[winter scroll]

🙂

[wary brook]

👍

[wary brook]

7 dashes

400 hp is crazy

[winter scroll]

Over 100% dodge too!

[primal crown]

Mostly joking but where is your dmg coming from

[winter scroll]

There wasn't supposed to BE any, so I'm not sure why the time is not so horrible 🤷‍♀️

Breaching Cross contributed a lot

Maybe Aphro Dash?..

[primal crown]

Ruthless reflex carry ig

[winter scroll]

Oh yeah that. I did pay attention and try to proc it for damage when possible

Didn't use Maim much

[wary brook]

Why sd?

[winter scroll]

"sd"?

[wary brook]

Stubborn Defiance

[winter scroll]

Makes me think less

[wary brook]

fair enough

[winter scroll]

With DD, if I spend it before the final boss, I start thinking. And Wells of Charon start offering stupidly expensive refills instead of cheaper heals

[wary brook]

Hm

If you dont have em4 on

You only really need 1 dd

[winter scroll]

That's been my impression as well. I did EM4 once with Hunting Blades, need more experience, maybe that'll change my Mirror

[wary brook]

The only time I would even refill is if I had 1 or less dd

Or I get an athena refill

[wary brook]

I love hunting blades

One of my favorite builds

[little prairie]

6 pash dashes with a likely +50% from ruthless isn't bad

[minor badger]

First time beating anything over 16 heat! The last third of the Hades fight was no-hit, which was pretty scary with 18 hp xD

[primal crown]

Ap1 at 32 heat based

[minor badger]

Yeah I just never really took boons after getting my core build, so didn't need choices xD

Only trash boons for underworld customs

Huge acorn carry in the Hades fight btw

I would have died exactly 5 times without it xD

[scarlet plume]

URUUGHGHS I BEAT HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME 😭

[primal crown]

Gg

[scarlet plume]

THANK U !!!!

[winter scroll]

Surmounted EM4 using Nemesis (my worst / least practiced aspect from among the "good" ones), without any cheese like Hunting Blades, with 8 HP left without SD. Had to be really careful but also really aggressive at the end. Am as proud of this as of my first Heat 0 clear. Dizzy and hands shaking. Great music.

[winter scroll]

Congrats with your first clear! Rest assured many more challenges await

Now that I think of it, what really motivated me to win the fight was a fishing spot behind the boss

[quartz patrol]

I have to say this is my best Chiron run and basically perfect except for curse of nausea which I would have gotten if I dident have Athena so yea it has all the good duos almost all epic cores the 2 best hammers and a chaos boon for special so its just the perfect Chiron run.

[sharp echo]

My strongest sword run has nothing to do with it.

[warm notch]

the classic uncle zeus comes down to personally carry you to outside of hades build

[winter scroll]

Rare lucky run with Stygian Soul into Artemis Legendary and Chaos ammo for total 4 ammo, which is perfect with Achilles. I could cast practically non-stop and never bother attacking. Also Bad News for damage. My Hunting Blades used a common unpommed cast and were devastating as you'd expect.

[little prairie]

Em4 with SD ain't easy

My merciful end run where I got ME in the last room on a one pom common attack doom turned out to be inadequate.

[wary brook]

Congrats!

[scarlet plume]

thank u !

[wary brook]

What attempt?

I got mine around 32 I think

Took forever

[sharp echo]

Strongest clear yet for me. I'm not too damaged.

[scarlet plume]

around 27 i think?

[wary brook]

Nice!

[winter scroll]

Finally tried Aspect of Chaos, wish I did it sooner. Pretty fun. Ended up taking lots of damage, but expecting to improve with practice (mainly: dash after throwing). Not as strong or "safe" as Aspect of Zeus, but has nice ergonomics since you don't have to micromanage the flying disc.

[wary brook]

Love the Hera Crush shot build

[wary brook]

Double lego!?

I struggle to get legendaries

[winter scroll]

Got lucky with every single prereq along the way

And took an unnecessary side corridor in Styx just for Smoldering Air

[wary brook]

I see that you get artemis lego a lot in your runs

And I wish I had that

I rarely get it when I actually want it.

[viscid plaza]

First clear of the day, and first time clearing with Stygius

This has to be the most braindead clear ive ever done

[winter scroll]

↑ Only the luckier runs get posted. Lots of failed runs don't.

[wary brook]

Achilles

[viscid plaza]

Drop 6 crystals, do nothing

[wary brook]

Why didnt you pom your cast at all

[viscid plaza]

bad luck

[wary brook]

Oh

[viscid plaza]

Maybe had a chance to do it in tartarus or asphodel but i might've pommed my attack instead

[wary brook]

Oh. Always pom your casts in cast builds

As much as you can

[viscid plaza]

wasnt intended to be a cast build lol

[wary brook]

Also, dont use nemesis for cast builds…

Oh

[strong ravine]

they didnt hit hammer

[winter scroll]

Wonder what's the fewest runs someone here took for the first clear (also: with or without reading/watching guides, which makes a difference)

[strong ravine]

so they werent gonna deal damage