Stay away from RI until 50+
#h1-high-heat-strategies
undone tartan
quartz mantle
Me trying to do mirrorless
pseudo kernel
Use keys to reset your mirror
mossy zinc
Whatever build you're going for or expect you'll need for whatever pact you're trying to beat. The save will serve both as practice and reconnaissance. You'll get to practice the fight with your planned build, and you'll get intel on how you perform with the build. I recommend you backup your saves from the other boss fights in that run, too, in order to practice them back to back once you're more comfortable with each fight individually.
Also throw in as much HP as you can find for the practice.
Practicing with Greatest Reflex or Hyper Sprint is fine if you plan on probably resetting for at least one of them anyway when you go for actual attempts at the pact. So that's entirely up to you what your build strategy is.
nocturne stag
how <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Autosaves sometimes
gaunt fiber
You can copy the save file (Profile Xtemp.sav) and rename it to ProfileX.sav to make your temporary save your actual save.
That means that you can give up and restart from the temp save > useful to practice bosses or whatever room you want
vale granite
whats the best cast for hera bow
pseudo kernel
wrong channel again 
bronze rapids
is the answer different though 
frozen spear
is the answer different though <:dusa:522248771409543188>
yes, at high heat hera meta is crystal beam
quartz mantle
Gotta chill out w/ Demeter if your heat is too high
gaunt fiber
is the answer different though <:dusa:522248771409543188>
yes at high heat you don't play Hera
hoary pasture
quartz mantle
Why does everyone’s nicknames change together it’s kinda funny
The keyboard nickname movement
undone tartan
Last one was the DF/OF nicknames
bronze rapids
I just jumped on the passing bandwagon with no context
frozen spear
is this how it works
undone tartan
LMAO
bronze rapids
is this how it works
would you care to go off
#off-topic-discussion is fine
frozen spear
uh I'm actually a violinist so I have no idea what I'm saying
undone tartan
🎻
frozen spear
I just happened to be sitting in front of a steinway
bronze rapids
having steinway access for a few years ruined me
can't go back to uprights anymore
#high-price-piano-strategies
bronze rapids
actually it's less the brand and more of that they're well-maintained grands
frozen spear
which the one in front of me is obviously not
bronze rapids
yeah their uprights are eh
at least to my untrained fingers
eh = no diff than other good brands at the same price point
pseudo kernel
Why does everyone’s nicknames change together it’s kinda funny
The only thing that stays the same is you as the cf0 addict
quartz mantle
I am who I am
jaunty falcon
bronze rapids
someone talked about keyboards
next acorn
idk
honest kernel
idk either
undone tartan
Interesting how this meme has evolved
lone bridge
UnholyPiano
hoary pasture
dapper schooner
someone talked about keyboards
keyboard bad
quartz mantle
Congrats on getting the 3rd and final skelly statue!
dapper schooner
Over 500 hours
dont worry, its a very hard game
especially since you were playing on kbm before which is objectively terrible
you should have a better time playing on controller now 👍
cursive portal
I concur
hoary pasture
ngl if I become okay at this I might try Hera
But I think im gripping the controller way too hard
nocturne stag
No
shy gulch
im always trolling
pseudo kernel
next acorn
:croven:
mossy zinc
Congrats on getting the 3rd and final skelly statue!
m still convinced there's a 64 Heat statue that @honest kernel is not showing us.
@honest kernel why you keeping secrets. 
cursive portal
undone tartan
But I think im gripping the controller way too hard
You do not have to tightly grip the controller, it’s not going anywhere
cursive portal
His sanity is though
hoary pasture
Yea still learning
It's not as frustrating as I thought
Except when I summon Meg on a 1 hp lout
but its ok
devout quiver
That's when they're most dangerous, when they've got their back against the wall
Don't blame you
hoary pasture
calculated
bronze rapids
His sanity is though
:0 blue cat
bronze rapids
OH just saw the ear 🏳️⚧️
cursive portal
bronze rapids
I'm pretty sure that lagged my switch once
cursive portal
hoary pasture
cursive portal
bronze rapids
#trans-society-strategies
frozen spear
32 heat zag bow with artemis attack and flurry shot
second hammer point-blank, relentless, triple shot
point blank?
cursive portal
triple def
bronze rapids
It's a melee weapon now
frozen spear
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676266365123952689/972732114292310066/unknown.png what's next on the 32 heat chopping block?
guess I need to do fists at some point
dapper schooner
inb4 "bestlos"
frozen spear
talos over my dead body
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676266365123952689/972734056510947338/unknown.png here goes nothing
dapper schooner
cp1 lc2 
frozen spear
cp1 lc2 <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
hell mode vibes
frozen spear
idk I always assumed that LC2 is high value heat from LC1 due to not nerfing vitality
what would you put LC2 on?
dapper schooner
lc4
frozen spear
that sorta increases rng imo
either patty or getting a ton of hearts
I'm running DD
dapper schooner
either patty or getting a ton of hearts
you definitely dont need either for 32
frozen spear
see I really want to get this first try
so I figure LC2 DD helps with safety
getting forced ares in demeter aspect zeus gives me depression
vague birch
i think most people use like, lc4 with SD
frozen spear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/972738355391529000/unknown.png?width=705&height=397 should be enough for a win
shy plinth
What on earth is this pact
frozen spear
surely my pact isn't that weird
shy plinth
Dds, js and cp, hell mode
I guess for hell mode you have to have the js and cp
Gross
Dds and lc2 is odd tho
frozen spear
yeah exactly, I'd obviously cut those two immediately
I just hate the anxiety of SD tbh
shy plinth
I'm more anxious about dds when doing rooms
frozen spear
I'll run it for 40 but most of my 32s are LC2 DD
frozen spear
I tend to force athena in 32 heat so DD has a lot of safety in it
also took epic quick recovery over common greatest reflex which makes me a terrible person
shy plinth
Oh my
frozen spear
I unironically think that was the right decision tbh
call me crazy but survivability stuff like nourished soul and quick recovery I really do tend to favor seemingly much more so than others
bronze rapids
Nourished Soul is overhated at mid heat bc of LC4's popularly
if you get Athena's aid + smair it'd be stonks
mossy zinc
I think LC2 is pretty reasonable for 32 Hell mode.
honest kernel
For what it's worth, I think Nourished Soul is a fine boon. Just not something you want because of LC4 and to an extent UC
undone tartan
surely my pact isn't that weird
Literally looks randomized
Hell mode at 32 is kinda crazy ngl
hoary pasture
Just making things unnecessarily difficult
dapper schooner
Literally looks randomized
nah
but if there was any ri or ap, it would look randomized
frozen spear
Hell mode at 32 is kinda crazy ngl
I'm so confused
I'm not running hell mode at 32 because I want the extra forced heat that much to make it easier or anything
I'm running hell mode because I'm just running hell mode for my second save file
raw cloud
what heat do you start taking HS
lime elk
all heats if you're good 😎
in all seriousness you learn very quickly what kills you, just being used to it makes it not nearly as intimidating (like fo2)
pseudo kernel
what heat do you start taking HS
Prob 40
cursive portal
1
raw cloud
undone tartan
I'm running hell mode because I'm just running hell mode for my second save file
Ok but why
I would think you’d just do low heat for bounties and 50+ heat because the extra heat
frozen spear
just to challenge myself tbh
I decided to try and streak all bounties without reset after a few early mirror farming runs on hell mode
and also to see how early I could escape on hell mode (3 in my case)
I have no delusions of hell mode making 32 heat easier trust me
strong abyss
holy
hoary pasture
Just dug this from 3 months ago
frozen spear
Just dug this from 3 months ago <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
this should be required viewing for every new beo user tbh
"psa on dash striking"
solid verge
holy
This video reminds me of a hell mode run I did just yesterday. Hades got into phase 2 while I had 10 HP and got up "ALRIGHT, THAT'S ENOUGH!" *SLASH* *ded*
Apparently it was, indeed, quite enough.
Subtitles hadn't even left the screen yet.
unique zephyr
what heat do you start taking HS
For me 40
hoary pasture
I take it at 32
hoary pasture
Can just do both
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp
Well it's mostly because I just speedrun nowadays and if I want some casual heat I just go to 40-45 on most weapons where you take both anyway, but what I meant that when I was initially learning heat I took HS at 32
Just thought it's good to learn early, same deal as LC4+SD and FO2 etc since I had plans of pushing higher than 32 anyway
lime elk
hs just makes the game more fun, same with fo2
lime elk
it's true
devout quiver
if you're impatient like me, once you get used to fo2 its hard to go back
frozen spear
man sometimes FO2 is on some serious BS
devout quiver
HS makes me die much faster
frozen spear
I'll obviously always take at 40 but like half or more of my 32s are FO1
devout quiver
besides just being used to FO2, it also slightly helps with TD3
well, more than slightly i'd say
quartz mantle
I mean HS was like the first heat I ever took I think
devout quiver
and in big rooms, stuff will make it over to you quicker
hoary pasture
A real gamer since the beginning
frozen spear
the other thing I hate about FO2 is asphodel
those bombers don't stop jumping I swear
frozen spear
lol speeder teleporter FO2 flamewheels are basically just jumpscares
devout quiver
Fo2 Speeder Savior Greatshields 
frozen spear
melee weapons + greatshields are just awful
if there's just one in a group of enemies they seem to almost shut off approaches
really screws with TD3 sometimes in my experience
solid verge
well, more than slightly i'd say
This is true. The amount of time you lose waiting for spawn animations without FO2 is urgh
I usually stick to TD2, though. TD3 just requires too much specific stuff. Spending money for chaos gates, taking every charon room even without money, no god trials... it limits the game too much
frozen spear
lack of god trials can be really devastating at times
esp if the other option is like a pom
at times I've taken god trials anyways on TD3 when it's too tempting
bronze rapids
Unless your pact is cursed, Charon can be skipped on TD3 without much issue
bronze rapids
vanilla hell isn't cursed enough
frozen spear
HS default?
bronze rapids
JS2 CP2 DC2 spear
bronze rapids
Might be me
frozen spear
when someone asked what they did they said they would just shoot stuff at first then start reloading
bronze rapids
yeah, or tidal dash
frozen spear
yep I've started skipping charon and taking trials
hoary pasture
Main concern is gonna be dying moreso than running out of time imo
shy plinth
TD3 at 32 doesn't really feel significant on most pacts
Unless you're doing chaos or something
frozen spear
the snowball effect can be more than enough to compensate in elysium and styx
solid verge
no attack hestia chaos penalty ❤️
bronze rapids
just don't get hit
shy plinth
Certainly there are plenty of ways to make td3 terrible but usually means the rest of the pact is not in a good spot
frozen spear
no problem, just do hitless hestia
solid verge
killing stuff with specials only is gonna take forever tho
hoary pasture
Just forget about the curse
bronze rapids
too much random 32 gives me too much perspective
solid verge
yeah what's spending 2 DDs in 1 room
frozen spear
with SD it doesn't sound so bad
bronze rapids
just buy it back
frozen spear
another advantage of SD
solid verge
another advantage of SD
SD is all fun and games until you get to FO2 EM4
not so fun then
shy plinth
We wouldn't do that on 32 tho
frozen spear
simple solution no EM4
bronze rapids
just play better
- this chat
hoary pasture
You wont usually do that until like 50
shy plinth
To be fair, playing better is an improvement over playing worse
solid verge
i love EM4 ❤️
frozen spear
To be fair, playing better is an improvement over playing worse
thanks hypnos
bronze rapids
yeah don't you want to spend more quality time with dad 
shy plinth
thanks hypnos
Here for you
solid verge
EM4 FO2 is kindda whatever when you're like 150% dodge with zagreu's plume fists
frozen spear
Here for you
how do I avoid taking damage and dying again? forgot your advise
bronze rapids
EM4 FO2 is fine
EM4 FO2 with HS on the other hand...
shy plinth
Getting hit is the leading cause of damage
solid verge
thanks hypnos
"have you tried... moving out of the way?"
"didn't think of it!"
shy plinth
Most of the time
solid verge
- doesnt get hit
- goes over time limit
- dies anyway
bronze rapids
- don't let the TD tick kill you by dashing well
solid verge
are you
frozen spear
I wonder how long over TD you can go
solid verge
are you serious?
bronze rapids
I've scraped out like 3 seconds more of life by doing that
solid verge
iframes block TD damage?
bronze rapids
yeah
bronze rapids
but you gotta time it well...mostly likely while dad is attacking you
solid verge
putting the "I" in "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIframe"
frozen spear
ok so we need to get hermes +4 dash and stubborn roots
then time out in charon shop
shy plinth
A bold strategy
bronze rapids
you can't regen outside of battle
frozen spear
oh that sucks
shy plinth
So what you're saying is we need to do the charon fight to save time
shy plinth
frozen spear
exactly
or just camp in the styx room as long as possible
does damage reduction affect TD?
or even dodge chance lol
shy plinth
Sounds like a question for cgull
bronze rapids
Not sure about God mode but weak etc doesn't
frozen spear
bronze skin?
bronze rapids
No
solid verge
ok so we need to get hermes +4 dash and stubborn roots
this sounds absolutely stupid
and it might work wonders to extend the timer with TD anyway
quartz mantle
iframes block TD damage?
Only if you’re on 1hp
The general idea being that you cannot die if you’re invulnerable
lime elk
ap2 has forced me to take replacement heroic deadly strike
in elysium
should i give up or can i still win
(playing zag shield)
cursive portal
Nah you can still win that
Pseudo did 55 unmodded zag shield with common arti attack start
lime elk
level 6 on an artemis boon lmao
cursive portal
Shouldn't be a problem
lime elk
an entire 73% increase for level 6 heroic arti attack
cursive portal
Losing lv6 epic 😔
strong abyss
i think the jump from 40 to 50 is way to much
actually i almost did 50 but that was with god rng
maybe i do 45 first
or oror or
i get good at rama, therefore i can use DC2, therefore i can use AP1, and therefore i can be happier
bronze rapids
That's how I got 45
Rama, Artemis start, room 1 Erebus into rare Dio special, poms, done
First try on bow
lime elk
maybe i do 45 first
very good idea
50 heat has been destroying me even after i beat 45, can't imagine doing it after 40
50 heat is just 45 but with half your mirror gone or hades being ridiculously strong, pick your poison
undone tartan
Definitely do 45 before 50
Imo the difference between 40 and 50 is much bigger than the difference between 0 and 40
solid verge
Imo the difference between 40 and 50 is much bigger than the difference between ...
Well then we know for certain what level of heat I'm never doing.
😆
rich nebula
is there a point to doing that high of heat or is it just for bragging rights/personal sense of satisfaction?
no judgement just curious 
rich nebula
understandable carry on
hardy garden
maybe its fun
devout quiver
videogames fun? in 2022?
hardy garden
until rng decides to smack you with 5 sacks
solid verge
Yeah, personal challenge. Achievements don't require anything above 16, and 32 gives you a halfway pointless but fun decoration in-game, anything above that is free will for the sake of it.
rich nebula
yeah fair. the highest i've done is for all the statues
was a nice challenge. could definitely go higher
lime elk
i believe in you
rich nebula
strong abyss
Imo the difference between 40 and 50 is much bigger than the difference between ...
yeah i did 32 and 40 each in a day, and was like "50 is doable if i just actually get good", but nah
its way too big of a gap
i think im gunna learn rama before trying very high heats cuz i dont wanna burn out
bronze rapids
Hestia is also good bc you can take shackle + AP2, "just" need to not rely on divine dash / Athena SDs
bronze rapids
Like no one ever was
To beat Theseus is my real quest
To get out is my cause
I will travel across biomes
Searching far and wide
Each gods' boon to understand (including bouldy)
The power that's inside except sunken treasure
solid verge
Wait until you're farming director ranks
You'll learn to appreciate that splashy dumbass a lot more
bronze rapids
Sunken treasure doesn't even give much
frozen spear
is hestia shackle AP2 viable for 50?
bronze rapids
You might be thinking of oceans bounty which is a nice CF copium actually
solid verge
that is preferred (also the chaos boon with the same effect), but sunken goes down well too. I even get bouldy as a companion to help.
bronze rapids
is hestia shackle AP2 viable for 50?
I've gotten to dad a few times so I'd say yes
bronze rapids
it's down to the EM4 vs RI2 poison
quartz mantle
is there a point to doing that high of heat or is it just for bragging rights/pe...
Number in the corner go up
Brain gives dopamine
rich nebula
respectable
undone tartan
yeah i did 32 and 40 each in a day, and was like "50 is doable if i just actuall...
Yeah don’t underestimate how brutal 50 is
lime elk
yeah i've died with epic hb strike and charged shot before meg multiple times
it's brutal
frozen spear
zag shield smh
lime elk
how are you supposed to survive with base 50 health when a trap does half of it and a slugger enemy does 70% of it
guess i should just not get hit
undone tartan
Also I know 50 is that nice round number and it sounds good but if 50 isn’t fun then don’t go for it. I can totally understand that because 50 can suck ngl
undone tartan
how are you supposed to survive with base 50 health when a trap does half of it ...
In Tart you should be okay because Tart enemies are pretty easy to bully due to low hp and simple patterns. In Ely it’s a different story
lime elk
also is abyssal blood better for high heat
undone tartan
No
frozen spear
I need that 50 man
lime elk
instant weak and also no fo2
frozen spear
I assume as TD gets harder and harder boiling becomes critical
lime elk
i forgot about boiling for my 45 run
undone tartan
instant weak and also no fo2
Maybe some people use it. I don’t though, and I don’t see people using it much
Doesn’t mean it’s bad though
frozen spear
hard countering EM4 sounds nice tbh
undone tartan
Only way to do that is to play Beo
frozen spear
lol
quartz mantle
I mean stacking chill can make the fight a lot more manageable
As well as using a shield
lime elk
aside from the no iframes thing
quartz mantle
Except dealing with RI2
frozen spear
reasonable PS, shield, forced chill
lime elk
and the slower blocking times
undone tartan
Nah Beo is by far the easiest EM4 option
frozen spear
RI2 messes with casts?
lime elk
RI2 messes with casts?
less poms
quartz mantle
Unless you wanna run the AP2 gauntlet there’s no real way to do 55 with it
quartz mantle
Less boons in general, worse rarity, no flat bonus from FF or PS
Plus having to run DC2 at 55 makes it a nightmare
frozen spear
the second time I did EM4 I decided to meme and run HL5 FO2 CP2 EM4
was still easy with passion beo
quartz mantle
Beo good who would’ve thought
undone tartan
Dude I’m so incredibly carried by Beo
I got to EM4 on Rama 52 (I didn’t mean to pick EM4 but by the time I noticed it was too late) and got absolutely rolled. I was like “wtf is he actually this fast” because I was so used to just being able to hold block 
frozen spear
Beo good who would’ve thought
actually r/hades said best shield was chaos with dio special
so I trust them
quartz mantle
So true
frozen spear
dio chaos easy 50 heat
devout quiver
Beo good who would’ve thought
RI players 
solid verge
I know beo is powerful on the strikes, but isn't zeus' a lot safer? You just toss the thing and sit around, and it does your job for you.
Any on-hit boons stack like crazy. Hangover, lightning, chill, and the boons that empower those.
frozen spear
as a decent beo and god awful zeus player I feel beo has the advantage of enormous burst dps
aka can phase bosses instantly
solid verge
plus zeus' allows for the crystal+artemis build which almost plays itself
frozen spear
plus zeus' allows for the crystal+artemis build which almost plays itself
the what
solid verge
as a decent beo and god awful zeus player I feel beo has the advantage of enormo...
right but the burst requires you to expose yourself
zeus is just like
armchair general
frozen spear
not really, beo is very safe imo
undone tartan
I know beo is powerful on the strikes, but isn't zeus' a lot safer? You just tos...
No, Beo is definitely safer. But Zeus is more pact immune. It’s just very hard to play
frozen spear
since dash strike can get your shield back up almost instantly
solid verge
zeus is hard?
undone tartan
Beo is without a doubt the single safest aspect in the game
frozen spear
I think so lol
solid verge
how so?
frozen spear
I can't use it to save my life
solid verge
lol
devout quiver
Mirrorless Beo lol
just pretend your zag shield with -15 damage
undone tartan
zeus is hard?
Yes, it’s the hardest aspect to play well imo
frozen spear
just pretend your zag shield with -15 damage
hey that was my zeus 32 run
solid verge
i must be the goddess of inversion then idk it's by far the easiest crap for me
frozen spear
what's your zeus heat?
undone tartan
just pretend your zag shield with -15 damage
No that’s Chaos. Playing Beo like it’s bad Zag shield is actually even worse than that
solid verge
zeus, hestia and zag fists are the only aspects i did 32 and can do mostly reliably
i didnt go over that for anything
undone tartan
Yeah that’s not hard though, no offense
frozen spear
I think it's time to beo it up dude
you should be able to easy 32 if you know zeus and hestia
lime elk
Yes, it’s the hardest aspect to play well imo
nah the hardest aspect to play well is zag spear
nobody can do it, that's why everyone says it sucks
frozen spear
then easy 40 after that
solid verge
yeah 32 can be pretty easy with hestia and zag fists. zeus takes a bit more effort because i cant do td3 or 2, since it's a waiting game, so the enemies take a while to be-gun
pseudo kernel
zeus is hard?
It's hard to use it well
Bc you could def just throw you shield and block in a corner
undone tartan
I suck super hard at Zeus but I did 45 with it. I can stay alive because it’s a shield, but I can’t go quickly. In my single Zeus 50 attempt I left champions at 18:06… on TD3
lime elk
wow
solid verge
I suck super hard at Zeus but I did 45 with it. I can stay alive because it’s a ...
yeah exactly, its not a quick aspect, you switch td for other stuff
undone tartan
Thanks to ToSD + absurd hp
undone tartan
yeah exactly, its not a quick aspect, you switch td for other stuff
It actually is a quick aspect
It’s just hard to play
If it wasn’t a quick aspect it wouldn’t clear 62 heat bruh
pseudo kernel
Lmao don't switch td off
solid verge
Well, let me rephrase it. It works best if you take your time. Contraty to hestia or zag fists which you just go HAM
undone tartan
And yeah good luck on that 50 heat run with TD2
undone tartan
Well, let me rephrase it. It works best if you take your time. Contraty to hesti...
Again I strongly disagree
pseudo kernel
Don't go ham on zag fists
undone tartan
It’s just hard to play
pseudo kernel
You'll just die
undone tartan
Don’t play Zag fists
pseudo kernel
Don't play fists
devout quiver
hasnt zeus shield also done 64 seeded
pseudo kernel
ME RI2 AP2
undone tartan
Yep
solid verge
Don't go ham on zag fists
zag fits + ruthless reflex + plume
you can miss so many dashes without punishment its not even funny
undone tartan
Zeus shield is super good and also super hard to play
pseudo kernel
ruthless reflex 🗿
undone tartan
zag fits + ruthless reflex + plume
you can miss so many dashes without punishmen...
Mono dash fists LMAO
pseudo kernel
Plume 🗿
frozen spear
zag + ruthless + plume sounds like the ultimate highroll crap tbh
undone tartan
No
solid verge
yeah the whole point is dodge stacking
frozen spear
you have to pray your gods aren't awful
undone tartan
It’s the ultimate 35 minute run
pseudo kernel
Just gotta seed ME gods
undone tartan
Plume is such an incredibly bad keepsake when you don’t just use it to get early RD 
solid verge
Actually, I dont get +dash even if it shows. You're not meant to get away, you're meant to i-frame the attacks
I get sturdy
or dodge
frozen spear
bruh
pseudo kernel
HAHAHAHA
undone tartan
It’s the ultimate 35 minute run
*50 minute
frozen spear
I guess it's what they say, you can do anything for 32 heat
undone tartan
pseudo kernel
*50 minute
Nah it's not 50 minutes if you die faster
solid verge
I guess it's what they say, you can do anything for 32 heat
if youve got the skill for 40-50, then sure. If your max is 32, it's just as hard for you as 40-50 is for people that do 40-50. This is all subjective.
undone tartan
I guess it's what they say, you can do anything for 32 heat
I do RI4 HL0 TD0 Zag sword with cursed slash and flurry slash personally
pseudo kernel
undone tartan
if youve got the skill for 40-50, then sure. If your max is 32, it's just as har...
It’s not. The build you described could not clear 50 heat. Or maybe it could but it would be so ludicrously hard
quartz mantle
I know beo is powerful on the strikes, but isn't zeus' a lot safer? You just tos...
If you’re still wondering why you find Zeus to be easy this is why
You’re playing it super passively
solid verge
Well yeah, that's what it shines at. I'm not gonna grab a gun and play defense either.
undone tartan
What
quartz mantle
To play Zeus aggressively and be able to beat the TD3 timer with stacks of JS and CP you have to know the aspect
Just
undone tartan
If that’s what it shines at then tell me how it beat 62 heat
pseudo kernel
Blocked everything
undone tartan
How did it clear TD3 with CP2 JS3 EM4
pseudo kernel
Or cheat like damue did
undone tartan
If it’s meant to be played slowly and passively
I said it’s hard to play well. As in, quickly and effectively in order to clear high levels of heat
solid verge
I said it’s hard to play *well*. As in, quickly and effectively in order to clea...
High is subjective. 32 is unachievable for most people. Actually most don't even do 16.
quartz mantle
You can watch the vids of the like
3 people who cleared 62 with it
And you’ll see what we mean
undone tartan
High is subjective. 32 is unachievable for most people. Actually most don't even...
Sorry, let me rephrase
quartz mantle
Sure you can play Zeus defensively and get results
undone tartan
I said it’s hard to play *well*. As in, quickly and effectively in order to clea...
I said it’s hard to play well. As in, quickly and effectively in order to clear *50+ heat
quartz mantle
Just that those results won’t carry to anything using TD3
The passive playstyle doesn’t lend itself well to higher heats
lime elk
High is subjective. 32 is unachievable for most people. Actually most don't even...
in that case everything is good in high heat, if i can beat 32 heat gilgamesh with divine strike and 600 hp, that means it's an incredible wonderful build
quartz mantle
In order to push past 40-50 you have to start playing aggressively
undone tartan
High is subjective. 32 is unachievable for most people. Actually most don't even...
Also this is a complete non-sequitur. This is in no way related to what we’re talking about
That’s just moving the goalposts lmao
“Uhh actually Talos is super good at high heat because I consider 10 heat high because it’s difficult for me”
Like that’s not what I meant by high heat
frozen spear
if youve got the skill for 40-50, then sure. If your max is 32, it's just as har...
the point we're making is that this is not a good build
if it can clear at the heat you consider to be high, good for you
but it's not a high heat build
lime elk
wait uh playing (actual) high heat zag shield should i take ambrosia delight or refreshing nectar
i only have one boon currently, delight would only affect hb strike
frozen spear
hm what kind of strike
pseudo kernel
wait uh playing (actual) high heat zag shield should i take ambrosia delight or ...
Prob just upgrade attack boon
undone tartan
If “high heat” is just what I personally define as “high”, then I can literally pick any weapon and any 6 boons, win at 20 heat, and say that the build works for high heat
quartz mantle
Aphro attack rarity kinda major stonks
frozen spear
but hermes also stonks
pseudo kernel
If you have a little amount of boons ambrosia kinda good
quartz mantle
Pretty much always take ambrosia if you can make it hit your attack
lime elk
the very next room is hermes fountain
pseudo kernel
but hermes also stonks
Purple quick recovery
quartz mantle
Eh I mean zag shield isn’t super Hermes reliant
frozen spear
bro everyone hates on quick recovery but I think epic is legit broken
pseudo kernel
Nah
lime elk
i used my one reroll on common flurry cast and got another common flurry cast
pseudo kernel
quartz mantle
AP2 moment
lime elk
bro everyone hates on quick recovery but I think epic is legit broken
heroic version carried me through 45 hades fight
frozen spear
damn
frozen spear
i used my one reroll on common flurry cast and got another common flurry cast
lmao why are you sad, common flurry cast is op
pseudo kernel
Quick recovery is fine
frozen spear
top 3 hermes boon
pseudo kernel
I'm just never gonna take it
quartz mantle
The problem with quick recovery is it would be great if hyper sprint and greater reflexes weren’t real
pseudo kernel
What if quick recovery was the only hermes boon
quartz mantle
Then it would be the best Hermes boon
solid verge
Quick recovery pairs well with the zag fist plume build too. Guaranteed dodge on a near miss, 50-60% without it, -40% damage on the off-chance you do get hit. Usually paired with Aphrodite for further damage reduction. Very effective to let you focus on keeping punching.
quartz mantle
Bold of you to assume I’m focusing on anything
pseudo kernel
That's true
undone tartan
Quick recovery pairs well with the zag fist plume build too. Guaranteed dodge on...
We’re still talking about this “zag fist plume” build?
pseudo kernel
Prove it pancake
undone tartan
Bet
pseudo kernel
Play everything at 32
pseudo kernel
Everything
undone tartan
Already did it
pseudo kernel
Oh damn
undone tartan
One step ahead of you
pseudo kernel
Tough challenge
undone tartan
boonless 32
solid verge
Already did it
Then I believe we can agree you're off the curve and not really a good example on how things work for most people.
shy plinth
if youve got the skill for 40-50, then sure. If your max is 32, it's just as har...
I think the point that may not be appropriately articulated by the peanut gallery here is that you may feel limited to 32 Heat as a max because your strategies are a good bit off meta and could be causing you more challenge than you realize
quartz mantle
Actually on the topic of funky challenges I did beat 32 heat with only my mouse
That was kinda fun
pseudo kernel
Why tho
quartz mantle
Thought it was funny
shy plinth
If you end up playing your own way then you get your own challenges but if you're capable of multiple 32 clears I'd bet you could push further
pseudo kernel
Based
undone tartan
https://youtu.be/yluwAy19IiE
This is from forever ago so I probably played so bad but I refuse to watch it and find out
shy plinth
But it seems like your approach might not set you up for sustained success, yknow?
pseudo kernel
~~This is from forever ago so I probably played so bad but I refuse to watch it ...
Watched it, played like garbage
undone tartan
True
frozen spear
lol
frozen spear
Quick recovery pairs well with the zag fist plume build too. Guaranteed dodge on...
and doing like 30 damage a hit
pseudo kernel
Yo is that sniper shot
shy plinth
Then I believe we can agree you're off the curve and not really a good example o...
Remember that this is the high heat channel, the strategies in here start at 32 and many many people have done 40s and 50s and even 60+
pseudo kernel
Unfortnite
shy plinth
So while it may be above the curve for the average population of hades players you'd be surprised how consistent 40+ clears can be
solid verge
Also there is something to be said about boonless hestia which literally only needs attack, which you can get with chaos 2-3 times.
undone tartan
40 is comfy
shy plinth
But some combinations of pact choices just make things way harder
frozen spear
I heard that arthur is really 40 consistent
shy plinth
If I can do 40 anyone can
undone tartan
Also there is something to be said about boonless hestia which literally only ne...
Wym there is something to be said about it? What is to be said about it
frozen spear
true?
pseudo kernel
What needs to be said about it
undone tartan
Hestia is definitely the best boonless aspect
pseudo kernel
It's so boring
solid verge
Wym there is something to be said about it? What is to be said about it
It's easier to do boonless than any other aspect by a mile
quartz mantle
Hestia is the aspect of all time
undone tartan
It's easier to do boonless than any other aspect by a mile
Yes this is known
Same for hitless
frozen spear
Hestia is the aspect of all time
I dispute this claim
solid verge
yeah now do boonless 32 zag fists
pseudo kernel
Hitless fists with plume and ruthless reflex tho
solid verge
😆
frozen spear
I don't believe hestia is one of the aspects of all time
quartz mantle
I don’t get what you guys keep talking about “hitless”
undone tartan
Probably idk I didn’t watch it
frozen spear
pacifist 32 heat
pseudo kernel
solid verge
It’s been done
Half a ton has also been lifted off the ground by like half a dozen men in the entirety of human's history, that's not really a great measure.
undone tartan
What
pseudo kernel
Ok
undone tartan
A great measure of what
quartz mantle
So true bestie
undone tartan
I only said it’s been done
quartz mantle
What are we even talking about again
pseudo kernel
Men
quartz mantle
Love men
frozen spear
we're talking about chaos shield being op
quartz mantle
TRUE
frozen spear
explosive return gang
pseudo kernel
so true bestie
solid verge
I mean 64 unseed was done recently too but literally no more than a few select people ever on the planet is gonna do it
undone tartan
Ok?
pseudo kernel
LMAAOOOOO
quartz mantle
Explosive return not being able to crit is literally a crime and I will make a citizens arrest of Amir
undone tartan
Did I say hitless fists was easy?
quartz mantle
Also what
quartz mantle
Congrats Vowel Cat Guy™️!
raw cloud
i did 420 heat with gilgamesh lol imagine having a skill issue
pseudo kernel
I mean 64 unseed was done recently too but literally no more than a few select p...
Ok but 64 unseeded is a joke right
pseudo kernel
Or a typo
quartz mantle
Seeded it’s been done by one person
solid verge
No, there's literally the one video on youtube and nothing else
quartz mantle
Ever
undone tartan
Yeah 64 unseeded has not been done
pseudo kernel
No, there's literally *the one video* on youtube and nothing else
The routed one yes
quartz mantle
The closest we’ve gotten to Unseeded clear was Baj getting to phase 3 I think
undone tartan
wait i didnt realize 64 was even completed
It was not
Oh wait
Seeded yes
Baj did it
raw cloud
goddamn
quartz mantle
The routed run is something to behold for sure
devout quiver
routed by cgull and run by baj iirc
undone tartan
routed by cgull and run by baj iirc
I think Pseudo was part of routing. I don’t know the whole team
quartz mantle
pseudo kernel
I mean anything is possible
quartz mantle
Tas isn’t really probable with Hades
pseudo kernel
There's the unseeded run
frozen spear
Tas isn’t really probable with Hades
how come
pseudo kernel
Ignore all the seeding and routing
frozen spear
tas hades seems like it would be dope
quartz mantle
There’s just a ton of variables
pseudo kernel
Can't tas that
frozen spear
but can't you seed
frozen spear
fair
quartz mantle
It’s all the work of routing raised to the 10th power
Cause now you gotta route each individual chamber’s enemy patterns and responses to that
Plus the normal work that goes into a tas’s movement
frozen spear
I just wanna see some epic hades spear 64 heat gameplay :(
pseudo kernel
I just wanna see some epic hades spear 64 heat gameplay :(
It's on damues channel
quartz mantle
Plus if you can manipulate rng at that level you’re probably trying to manipulate crit rates as well
So gotta figure that out for the boss fights as well
solid verge
The difference between seeded and unseeded is just RNG. So considering seeded was done, it was only a matter of how lifeless someone would be time before unseeded was done.
quartz mantle
That’s not necessarily how it works
raw cloud
nah
raw cloud
normal rng isnt gonna get that good lol
pseudo kernel
Idk angleic kinda good they can prob do it tomorrow
quartz mantle
And the 64 unseeded grind is B R U T A L
quartz mantle
You have to play perfectly for the entire run and get extremely solid rng
Nah we’ve all been there before I think
lime elk
mannnnnnn
i was so close
50 heat, heroic heartbreak strike, got patty, died right at the end of the heroes fight
raw cloud
i dont visit this channel for a reason
all takes too spicy for me regardless of quality
frozen spear
rip
pseudo kernel
mannnnnnn
i was so close
50 heat, heroic heartbreak strike, got patty, died rig...
F
frozen spear
how was your styx looking?
undone tartan
The difference between seeded and unseeded is just RNG. So considering seeded wa...
Not true
quartz mantle
It happens
frozen spear
i dont visit this channel for a reason
all takes too spicy for me regardless of ...
I think artemis is a good god
pseudo kernel
Nah she sucks
raw cloud
the spice oh no
frozen spear
oh
quartz mantle
Idk man have you seen Hunter’s Instinct
frozen spear
ok no more artemis
pseudo kernel
Broseidon for life
undone tartan
I think artemis is a good god
Was this meant to be a hot take
raw cloud
Broseidon for life
tempest strike best attack?
pseudo kernel
Ye
solid verge
I think artemis is a good god
the call is decent and support fire is amazing for fists or high ROF exagryph
frozen spear
Was this meant to be a hot take
the spiciest take of all yep
bronze rapids
Tempest Hestia meta
quartz mantle
Listen I’m just saying
bronze rapids
Great at keeping enemies inside your special
solid verge
oh support fire is amazing for zeus shield as well
pseudo kernel
the call is decent and support fire is amazing for fists or high ROF exagryph
Did you just say that in front of pancake
undone tartan
the call is decent and support fire is amazing for fists or high ROF exagryph
That’s really funny because those boons are both famously overrated and both are not very good
pseudo kernel
Now he gonna write an essay
undone tartan
oh support fire is amazing for zeus shield as well
No it’s not
frozen spear
the call is decent and support fire is amazing for fists or high ROF exagryph
the two best artemis boons
epic
frozen spear
hunter's mark? garbage
bronze rapids
we've done it
quartz mantle
Tempest strike Hestia and use Empowered attack until you get Seastorm then use regular attack
bronze rapids
We've hit Several people are typing
raw cloud
good day in the high heat channel
undone tartan
Deadly strike? Uh ok but have you ever heard of Hunter instinct?
frozen spear
lol all you have to say is "artemis's aid is good"
bronze rapids
lol all you have to say is "artemis's aid is good"
it actually is
undone tartan
Yeah nice Zeus’s aid but have you ever heard of Ares aid?
quartz mantle
Nah yea Arty aid kinda solid
solid verge
artemis aid is good but poseidons aid can be better with rip current and rupture
bronze rapids
Even unpommed it give iframes
frozen spear
maybe I overhate it idk
quartz mantle
It’s no Zeus or Dio call but it’s really solid for boss fights
undone tartan
Nah yea Arty aid kinda solid
Yeah but it’s like the 6th best call in the game
quartz mantle
Lots of burst damage
undone tartan
Out of 8
quartz mantle
Hard disagree my man
raw cloud
notswearinghere rip current all my homies hate rip current
literally got it once
never again
undone tartan
Imo:
Zeus > Dio > Athena/Poseidon > Demeter > Arty > Aphrodite > Ares
frozen spear
You're mom
https://culturedvultures.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Hades-roguelike-death-No-Escape-770x433.jpeg
solid verge
HAHAH
pseudo kernel
Imo:
Zeus > Dio > Athena/Poseidon > Demeter > Arty > Aphrodite > Ares
ARES AT BOTTOM????????
shy plinth
Boy what a night here
undone tartan
Rip current is unironically great. If only it would ever show up
solid verge
rip
quartz mantle
If anyone says Poseidon
undone tartan
ARES AT BOTTOM????????
solid verge
Rip current is unironically great. If only it would ever show up
ngl the % to show has got to be pretty low, this is true
but like
if you start of tart with poseidon
frozen spear
Imo:
Zeus > Dio > Athena/Poseidon > Demeter > Arty > Aphrodite > Ares
huh I thought aphro was fine because okay in regular rooms and big damage without poms as full call
pseudo kernel
Boy what a night here
Yeah, I should probably go to sleep but this is interesting
undone tartan
https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticTiredPastaGingerPower-SivjSCQT_G65Akfb
Love that Poseidon drift
solid verge
the chances are decent
shy plinth
"interesting"
undone tartan
ngl the % to show has got to be pretty low, this is true
Not how that works
solid verge
Not how that works
how do you know did you code the game too
undone tartan
What
shy plinth
Yeah getting the one you want is a huge catch
undone tartan
Bruh
pseudo kernel
Hard to get when sunken treasure is so good
undone tartan
These things are known
frozen spear
bruh
quartz mantle
The way the game works is like
undone tartan
Boon probabilities are solved
quartz mantle
Uhhhhhh
undone tartan
I don’t have to code the game to know this
shy plinth
The scripts are also available to look at
pseudo kernel
What thing
frozen spear
Dear liberals:
If boon probabilities are solved, then why do I always get stubborn roots?
Checkmate.
shy plinth
You can see how the game calculates things
shy plinth
They're the Lua files inside the hades folder
quartz mantle
Maybe somebody can confirm how boons roll for me:
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (Jolted, Marked, Rupture, Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
Ok I found it
raw cloud
okay we’re getting technical this is no longer interesting
pseudo kernel
Where are your sources
pseudo kernel
Stop swearing
quartz mantle
Ok I’m sorry
frozen spear
Maybe somebody can confirm how boons roll for me:
(1) If all priority slots (i....
I assume (9) includes exchanges if needed
strong abyss
where r these %s coming from ._.
frozen spear
but then how are those calculated outside of (2)
solid verge
where r these %s coming from ._.
raw cloud
Stop swearing
heck your swearing
undone tartan
where r these %s coming from ._.
Directly from the game’s code
quartz mantle
The % come from the game
quartz mantle
Yea
frozen spear
so gods with native curse are a lot easier to initially get duos and legendaries
undone tartan
These things are known
These things are known
frozen spear
and tier 2 curse is good to grab if you're fishing for legendary/duo
is that right?
pseudo kernel
These things are known
These things are known
quartz mantle
If you’ve ever wondered what people mean when they say a boon has “half priority” or “0.5 priority” it’s because of (4) on the long post
undone tartan
These things are known
quartz mantle
and tier 2 curse is good to grab if you're fishing for legendary/duo
Yup
frozen spear
ah I see
quartz mantle
You want to remove any and all priority boons from your pool when fishing for a duo/leggo
solid verge
rip isnt either tho
frozen spear
and these boons are strictly mark, rupture, jolted, exposed?
quartz mantle
So in theory you want your cores filled but you also have to be weary of opening up other duos
frozen spear
I'm missing one I assume
frozen spear
cool
quartz mantle
4 gods with tier 2 curses
frozen spear
I assume filling cores is less worth it than opening up an extraneous duo
quartz mantle
rip isnt either tho
Yes but it’s one specific boon with a specific requirement from a god with a lot of other boons he loves to give you
So it’s difficult to get innately
frozen spear
I often run into this problem with divine dash and demeter since she's like only god that has divine dash as prereq
quartz mantle
Especially when stuff like splash dash is right there
quartz mantle
I assume filling cores is less worth it than opening up an extraneous duo
Yea
strong abyss
bro my hades is bugging
quartz mantle
Like take this for example
You have ME open
Ares attack Athena Special Athena Dash
frozen spear
following
quartz mantle
Your cast is open, meaning every boon you pick up at first will offer you either a cast or a replacement
frozen spear
yep sounds good
quartz mantle
Meaning you only have 2 chances to roll for ME
Per boon
Poseidon comes along
And offers his cast
quartz mantle
In a sense
raw cloud
never thought about it like that
frozen spear
ok continue
quartz mantle
But if you take Poseidon’s cast you now fill up all the priority slots
BUT
If you take an Ares boon any duo you roll has a 50/50 chance of being ME or COD
But you now have 3 chances of rolling for a duo
As apposed to 2
frozen spear
so is that net better or worse
quartz mantle
Uhh idk lemme do the math
frozen spear
lol
pseudo kernel
Oh God we talking about math now
quartz mantle
Assuming 10% duo chance on a regular boon with no legacy you have a 19% chance of it rolling on one of the two slots, with three slots that’s about a 27% chance but only half the time it’ll be ME so that’s 13.5%
So with very quick napkin math
It’s better without the cast
But this also doesn’t take into account the fact that you can get the duo from Athena
Who has a
frozen spear
now if you inject legacy it becomes 36% chance with core open
quartz mantle
Uh
frozen spear
and removing core gives 24.4% chance of ME
frozen spear
wait hold on
raw cloud
so basically flood shot bad
quartz mantle
And I’m sorry if Cgull reads this
frozen spear
does this open poseidon athena duo
quartz mantle
Oh yea it does
frozen spear
I forgot what that was in this example
pseudo kernel
"we do a lot of math in the hades community, and a lot of it is wrong"
quartz mantle
TRUE
raw cloud
latte
frozen spear
ok so if third god opens both duos it drops your chances by 29% I believe
wait I'll check against legacy chosen
frozen spear
with legacy enabled it looks like poseidon drops your ME by 32%
so with pride it's a little safer to take third god?
but regardless it's never even close to worth taking third god if it doesn't fill last core
filling one core and leaving one open is barely if at all helpful
pseudo kernel
Just get the boon
frozen spear
isn't slicing shot a terrible pick
frozen spear
since then you get those stupid blade boons
quartz mantle
Duos are rolled before tier 2s
frozen spear
wait hold on
quartz mantle
Maybe somebody can confirm how boons roll for me:
(1) If all priority slots (i....
Refer back to the list™️
frozen spear
so slicing shot doesn't decrease ME odds
devout quiver
Beyblades are fun tho 
quartz mantle
Nope
quartz mantle
It does decrease your odds of getting Impending tho
frozen spear
yep yep
raw cloud
ig dont open slicing shot if you have like artemis call for some reason
frozen spear
and if you actually take a blade boon that halves your ME chance from ares, correct?
devout quiver
Just get ip first
frozen spear
since then you open up his legendary
quartz mantle
Also don’t use Artemis call with ME
pseudo kernel
It's so good tho
quartz mantle
If you take a Tier 2 as well
raw cloud
but fists fill call fast!!1!1!1!
pseudo kernel
First!1!1
frozen spear
so this is all assuming third god opens two duos
quartz mantle
Yea
frozen spear
let me do the math on only one duo
quartz mantle
Which is why you don’t take Poseidon
nocturne stag
Consider: get as many gods as possible via keepsakes abd rerolls
quartz mantle
Zeus call kinda good with Proud Bearing for Styx with ME weapons
Cause your burst damage in Styx rooms is kinda bad
frozen spear
once I got tartarus ME without divine dash, then forced athena burned all rolls on dash, didn't get it, no more athena rest of game
that was a painful demeter fists run
solid verge
Which is why you don’t take Poseidon
What if i like to get wet
solid verge
Fair
nocturne stag
Merciful wet
frozen spear
why is poseidon bad with ME builds, you'd rather get CoD anyways
solid verge
Curse of Wetting
frozen spear
CoD > ME
solid verge
😆
devout quiver
Consider: get as many gods as possible via keepsakes abd rerolls
When are we getting Invitations% speedruns. Invite everyone to the banquet in one run 
quartz mantle
With the cool Blade Dash Engulfing Vortex strat
frozen spear
epilogue%?
raw cloud