what would you replace with td3
#h1-high-heat-strategies
timber pike
timber pike
i didnt know what else to put so i just added fo1 since I couldnt really fit anything else
pseudo kernel
oh yeah true
timber pike
if I add td3 it becomes a 38 heat pact
flat flicker
timber pike
i'd love to see one of you run this cursed pact in a video. not me though I'm not insane
bronze rapids
the core would be RI4 TD3 HS AP2
raw cloud
hl5 + ri4 seems like it kills you instantly
bronze rapids
I can try it but no promise on video
timber pike
with what I could fit in theres no hard labor so I wonder how hard that would be. you also do have healing so you could bring defiances at least
still difficult
td3 does add difficulty with em4 and jury summons
so i agree that it makes the pact that much more cursed
oh and calisthenics program
timber pike
I can try it but no promise on video
nice tell me how it goes
pseudo kernel
Take guan yu for the heals
dapper schooner
take guan yu so that you can die to 1 EM4 swipe instead of 2
flat flicker
RI4 LC4 is the real killer
don’t get hit ez
timber pike
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/946980264540778567/2...
lol. nice pick with the zeus shield though
since that doesnt need too many boons to be useful ap2 doesnt hurt it as much
its nice you managed to get static discharge tho
did you have to roll for it. was it crossed out at any point?
also did you die to heightened security pots?
dapper schooner
since that doesnt need too many boons to be useful ap2 doesnt hurt it as much
i mean if you dont have jolted you get 0 damage
timber pike
i mean if you dont have jolted you get 0 damage
i never used it without jolted so i didnt know that
is the base damage only how much you upgrade it with titans blood?
dapper schooner
(0 damage is just an exaggeration)
but yeah youre gonna take a long time on bosses without jolted
cursive portal
hl5 + ri4 seems like it kills you instantly
idk man as someone who has gotten to phase 3 on 60 mirrorless 
cursive portal
dapper schooner
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/947100182036758538/gam...
blocked
32 damage
half heart
cursive portal
this basically
quartz mantle
It’s like an area of effect damage except instead of coming out from Hades it’s a sweep coming from the direction of his spear
Since you don’t block the whole thing you end up taking the damage anyways despite blocking part of it
flat flicker
did it kill you tho
cursive portal
did it kill you tho
died to the next hit
flat flicker
mossy zinc
https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-24629150
This is Dad chat. You must have taken a wrong turn.
bronze rapids
schroedinger's chat: a chat is simultanously dead and undead until someone comments about it
mossy zinc
Calling chats dead is cringe ngl. 
bronze rapids
mossy zinc
Most cringe whenever a new person does it because no one paid them attention for a mere 5–15 minutes.
bronze rapids
as a TA I have seen students act like that on the time frame of seconds
quiet mountain
dead chat
bronze rapids
exhibit A
flat flicker
pseudo kernel
raw cloud
get good
gaunt fiber
flat flicker
bronze rapids
pseudo kernel
high heat channel being high heat channel
raw cloud
la conversation semble morte
lucid wave
flat flicker
Hey what do you all think of smoldering air
I guess it’s ok
mossy zinc
Don't humor him, that's not a serious question.
flat flicker
Especially with ares aid
mossy zinc
Especially with ares aid
What's that?
shy plinth
150 gold
flat flicker
just get purple boons ez
mossy zinc
If you think Ares' Aid is good, you should go to #h1-tech-support because clearly there's something wrong with your game.
gaunt fiber
Especially with ares aid
Big true
jaunty falcon
Yeah
cursive portal
pure lily
What if chaos had a call
pseudo kernel
lose some hp but deal extra damage
uncut lynx
Chaos: Imma destroy everything and everyone
Zag: HP drained and dies
raw cloud
drain other peoples hps but a lot but also yours by some
pure lily
While buffing any chaos boons you already have
devout quiver
Nah. It just spawns cheese wheels in front of you
quiet mountain
every time u use chaos call it creates alternate save file that plays itself
raw cloud
LMAO
flat flicker
left prism
one of the best weapons for it
lime elk
huh
eternal hare
it's incredibly good at it but the aspect itself has a bit of a learning curve
quartz mantle
it seems almost impossible to do fo2 with it
It’s best to keep a distance between you and enemies, and sneak power shots in the downtime between boss attacks
shy plinth
There's a ton of documentation around Rama
Def watch some high heat vods in the pinned sheet
jaunty falcon
There’s one by a user called oh camel
next acorn
Probably 3rd best yeah
shy plinth
After Eris and Zeus?
Potentially not in that order
Guess it also depends if you mean 45s or 60s
left prism
zag shield comfy
next acorn
Top three is just Rama Beo Zeus right
Until you get to 62 then it’s Zeus, Zag shield, and
cursive portal
Until you get to 62 then it’s Zeus, Zag shield, and
Ive been scheming chaos 62 for a while now, but its suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks
urban glade
Fuuuuu just lost a 16 heat run cause I had bad rng in temple and ran out of time :(
shy plinth
There's a ton of opportunity for skill optimization at higher heats than that to mitigate any kind of bad rng
A 5 sack at 32+ with td3 isn't even enough to kill a run if you know what you're doing
urban glade
Ye I lacked in attack damage boons so everything took like 20 hits to kill, ah well there's always a next time
cursive portal
A 5 sack at 32+ with td3 isn't even enough to kill a run if you know what you're...
I'II never forget the time I won a tony 4 sack on 52 beo
that was a wild run
jaunty falcon
New challenge: get a sub 10 using every boon in the game
undone tartan
But you could just do a meta build and throw some random other crap in there lmao
Like lightning strike tidal dash Eris with Dio call and peer pressure 
timber pike
New challenge: get a sub 10 using every boon in the game
alright just gotta..hack the game
shy plinth
New challenge: get a sub 10 using every boon in the game
This would nourish my soul
pure lily
What makes zag shield better than beo at ultra high heat
Does it just require less for the build to succeed?
shy plinth
Yeah at 60 you just don't get builds any more
pseudo kernel
It just needs attack and cshot
cursive portal
maybe chaos attack damage but its optional
my 60 chaos shield literally finishes the run with one boon
a lv8 heroic aphro attack and charged shot
pure lily
I struggle with cshot
Cause you can get hit right after you shoot, unlike when charging
cursive portal
yeah
pure lily
Gotta be perfect with timings
cursive portal
heroes fight cshot zag shield is genuinely terrifying because asterius does not care about your feelings
honest kernel
this is unrelated to high heat but i was afraid of it having some kind of spoiler for those earlier in the game, but it has been several months since i played. I just booted up hades and when I died to Hades, it popped up something on the death screen saying "damage reduced by 22%," what was that? i looked away for a second and then only saw part of the message
timber pike
sounds like god mode
never used god mode but it sounds like that since thats supposed to be the effect each time you die it goes up by 2%
with a cap of 80%
honest kernel
oh
yes you are right, i just checked and somehow god mode was turned on
no wonder i had never seen it before 
honest kernel
i'm not sure how god mode got enabled because i was playing on a save that started with the heat at 5 (hell mode? i think it was called, again has been very long since i have played lol)
undone tartan
Hell mode, yeah
left prism
i'm not sure how god mode got enabled because i was playing on a save that start...
thats def weird lol, god mode isnt available on hell mode
bronze rapids
beo just can't do RI3
you can but with a load of pain and copium
And not for too high heat
next acorn
can is a strong word
quartz mantle
Beo can just be bad Zag Shield
get charged shot
Get an attack boon
stop playing cast
there now you can play RI3
cursive portal
That was my first 55 beo from when I was em4 dodging
undone tartan
@half heart yes, passion flare has the best damage beside trippy flare
It’s also great to have weak
half heart
Of course, aphro has one of the best boons anyway
undone tartan
Which boon is that?
hoary pasture
unhealthy fixation
undone tartan
hoary pasture
quartz mantle
Second wave funnier
hoary pasture
Passion Flare is used for High Heat, you can use it to speedrun but it's needy and has more rng to it because you have to see two other gods aside from Aphro for Mirage and you also have 3 Duos open when you get their cores, it's also worse than Flood in Styx because it can stick to walls and ends up not damaging enemies @half heart
A few poms in Passion Flare and it'll do well for High heat, usually it's paired with Snow Burst + Pstatus on the mirror if the heat is low enough
Since shooting for Mirage gets harder around 45+
half heart
Worst legendary
I myself like it, cause that's always a sneaky interruption of Hades attack
undone tartan
More like an opportunity to Hades to sneakily attack you with no windup
That can literally randomly occur
UF is only good on aspects that apply weak very quickly
Like Chiron for example
But Nyaa will tell you it’s always good and I just need to git gud, so I guess there’s always another opinion
pseudo kernel
More like an opportunity to Hades to sneakily attack you with no windup
Dodge it lmao
half heart
I don't know any bad legendary per se (duo boons is different matter), just some are more viable
For example - how to properly use aphro + demeter duo?
left prism
sell it at your nearest pool of purging
quartz mantle
^
left prism
400+ gold pretty nice
half heart
Yeap
undone tartan
I don't know any bad legendary per se (duo boons is different matter), just some...
Nah, Unhealthy Fixation makes some builds literally worse
dapper schooner
I don't know any bad legendary per se (duo boons is different matter), just some...
relatively every legendary boon is bad compared to the gamebreaking huge catch.
half heart
Some hammer upgrades are indeed top at the top - double edge for sword and rocket launcher for rail
For example
left prism
sword hammers 
half heart
Apart from cursed slashes most of the are harmless, not great, not terrible
left prism
exactly
why does sword hammers ends up on a "at least it doesnt hurt you" tier lmao
shadow slash doesnt apply to dash strike/flurry is bad/hoarding slash is hoarding slash
dash nova
half heart
Supernova is good
Shadow slash good for Arthur aspect
The increased aura upgrade is good too
Piercing wave is good too = free additional dmg
undone tartan
why does sword hammers ends up on a "at least it doesnt hurt you" tier lmao
Sword hammers are just very sad
and then there’s DEdge
cursive portal
piercing wave
cursive portal
20 more special damage>physical health
next acorn
You get more special damage you just won’t be able to use it
quiet mountain
Like just to play it at all
u r just scared of schrodingers zag
next acorn
?
long minnow
*dash nova*
Oi I like that
It acts as an extra dash
Probably because I haven’t done much heat though
The only actual good ones I can think of are super nova, double edge, double nova (maybe not, knockback can save a run) and hoarding slash
And shadow slash I suppose, that barely does anything but doesn’t get you killed
left prism
Good and hoarding slash dont combine
left prism
Its added after all other dmg iirc
left prism
So it barely changes anything and il rather spend gold on boon health-poms-well
left prism
Tho ange is gonna say its good cause it had a wr
hoary pasture
lol
left prism
And there it is
left prism
Dedge good yeah
long minnow
Rng hates me
I wish fated persuasion extended to Daedalus hammer but I get that it wouldn’t work lore wise
Shame
left prism
The only actual good ones I can think of are super nova, double edge, double nov...
Also iirc if you cancel your special with double nova fast enough you wont get the 2nd hit
long minnow
Also iirc if you cancel your special with double nova fast enough you wont get t...
Oh god that’s broken
And in a bad way
hoary pasture
And most of the time you do that
long minnow
Yeah, because on high heats staying still is death
I still don’t get how someone did 64 heat
Idc if it’s scripted
You basically get 2 shot at the beginning
You have no dds
left prism
Skill and routed to prevent the "i guess il just die" cases
long minnow
What would cause a nice break (liability) is gone
Hades can literally 1 hit you without enough centaur hearts
All enemies have the health of an M1 Abrahams
Hades is basically fighting a metal gear from its respective series
But you don’t have a super high tech sword which slices through steel like butter
Or a rocket launcher
Wait
You do
Ah whatever
mossy zinc
Best sword hammer upgrade is Snap Nova.
long minnow
Best sword hammer upgrade is Snap Nova.
I forgor that that was
Is that instant no delay nova
dapper schooner
reverse?
hoary pasture
i mean whats the heat yall used for 24
Probably MM UC BP1/2 EM3 TD3 LC4 maybe
left prism
Launch foward and press special to launch back to where you started it
hoary pasture
Some FO or DC
hardy garden
what's the easiest way to get heat 24
td3, bp2, mm, uc, em3 is like 21 i think. you can just add fo1, or some hl and lc for the last three or dc2 and one of the others depending on aspect
honest kernel
i mainly play chiron bow with a mouse and keyboard
hardy garden
snap nova was removed
hoary pasture
I wouldnt use DC on chiron but ye
hardy garden
dc kinda eh on chiron yeah
hardy garden
well depends on your 16 pact
hoary pasture
Depends on how comfortable you are with multiple packs together
If you're used to all the ones mentioned then it shouldnt be too bad
honest kernel
ill give it a go thanks 🙏
hoary pasture
gamer pact
raw cloud
~~the best 24 pact is RI4 LC4 EM4 AP1~~
where is fo2
undone tartan
?
raw cloud
cant be a good pact without fo2
undone tartan
It’s not a good pact, that’s the joke
undone tartan
Right but FO2 is actually a good heat option
pseudo kernel
Fast enemies scary
pseudo kernel
Git gud
undone tartan
Skissue
raw cloud
daring today arent we
pure lily
I am very bad at fists
I was doing aspect of Demeter with zeus fists. Literally had epic attach, jolted, sea storm, Posieden special, and epic razor and died the boss 
undone tartan
Have you tried not getting hit
urban ocean
Omg fists with lambent plume is my fav
Those are some of my fastest runs ever
I only run zag and demeter aspect tho
Hidden is fun but kinda overpowered like hidden stygius
hardy garden
gilga, overpowered
urban ocean
Evasion boosting boons and epic+ dashes are necessary for a good fists run though, it's the only weapon I'll reroll a seed for
Yesss
Love those claws
💅
But it takes the challenge out of the fist speedrun
Tbh the worst high heat weapon for me is the shield, if anyone has good 15+ heat strats for aegis any aspect, I'd be grateful
urban ocean
gilga, overpowered <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
It's a bit like having a constant doom effect applied, very useful in stack
hardy garden
well there arent really any different strategies between like 0 and 32 heat
best shields are zeus shield with thunder flourish and beowulf with flood flare, artemis attack, and mirage shot
also you dont really care about dire misfortune at all
you want to build merciful end on fists which cares 0 about that boons
urban ocean
best shields are zeus shield with thunder flourish and beowulf with flood flare,...
Yess okay I honestly got bored of shield cuz thunder aegus was the only build viable for me
I just need practice tbh
mossy zinc
Tbh the worst high heat weapon for me is the shield, if anyone has good 15+ heat...
High heat usually refers to 32+ by the way. For example, the high heat leaderboard starts at 32.
urban ocean
LOL
I just cracked 22 the other day
Got quite a bit to go I see
I think I did do 35 at some point with Excalibur but theseus got me good
hardy garden
LOL
id take a look at this seems like builds is whats catching you the most https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
mossy zinc
If you're interested in high heat runs, the leaderboard is pinned here and you can find links to runs on there.
dapper schooner
where is fo2 <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
there is not a single thing you can drop in that pact that isnt harder than FO1/2 already
you can maybe make a case for AP0 LC3 FO1
but i dont think thats worse
cursive portal
Lc3 is funny
solemn pulsar
i still think for "meme hardest" pacts you need at least TD2
otherwise you turtle to victory
flat flicker
i still think for "meme hardest" pacts you need at least TD2
my first 32 heat win was TD2 and em4, wasn't a meme i'm just a chad
(and i needed the 23 minutes 
)
honest kernel
dang man
i just beat heat 24 im having trouble with the timed heats
i wanna do 32 tomorrow
any heat u recommend i take
i mainly use chiron bow with mouse
dapper schooner
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/939509472420835359/528...
26 min even with jolted
undone tartan
otherwise you turtle to victory
Yeah that’s true
mossy zinc
any heat u recommend i take
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
That should do the trick.
undone tartan
It’s Chiron so idk about those keepsakes
mossy zinc
If your only issue is the timer, then you just gotta work on that.
mossy zinc
It’s Chiron so idk about those keepsakes
I don't care.
undone tartan
I mean you can’t go wrong but it might be better to go for heart rend or at least just Artemis special
Well I’m just saying they might care if they want more damage
mossy zinc
Bruh.
undone tartan
Artemis scales much better with chaos, it’s AP0 RI0 so you can expect at least one chaos special boon
But Athena keepsake for asphodel is still probably a safe bet
honest kernel
**Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide**
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
<:c...
ayo thanks 🙏
i still havent unlocked the boon rerolls
mossy zinc
You'll want Heartbreak Strike from her, then look for either Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish. Whichever you see first. Zeus' Aid to unlock Smoldering Air is also amazing.
If she offers an epic Heartbreak Flourish, you can't go wrong with that instead of her Strike either.
So you're basically building for either Low Tolerance or Heart Rend.
Special damage from Master Chaos, ideally; but Strike, Lunge, and Favor are also great options.
And Soul is always good for more HP.
The Owl Pendant in Asphodel is to get Divine Dash from her, and then you know how to get DDs from her if you're using Stubborn Defiance?
Basically, if you lose your SD in the chamber before picking up Lady Athena's Last Stand or Deathless Stand, you get a DD, and then when you exit the chamber, you also get your SD back like you normally.
So if you can get both of those boons, you can even get two DDs from her.
You also wanna look out for Touches of Styx in any Wells of Charon.. and ideally Touch of Styx Dark from Patroclus, of course. That'll increase the healing you get from your SD (and potentially your DDs) a lot.
mossy zinc
i still havent unlocked the boon rerolls
Haven't unlocked it with keys yet or just haven't put any Darkness into it yet?
honest kernel
i was watching a playthrough earlier and this dude could reroll boons
how do u unlock that
timber pike
fated persuasion on the mirror
mossy zinc
There's Fated Authority and if you switch it to the other side, it's Fated Persuasion.
honest kernel
wat i just learned abt this
mossy zinc
I'd suggest resetting your mirror for when you do 32 Heat. Then you can put your Darkness in Shadow Presence or Fiery Presence (Fiery helps a bit more with room clear, Shadow helps a bit more with bosses), Stubborn Defiance, Greater Reflex, Boiling Blood, Infernal or Stygian Soul (I prefer Infernal but either is fine), Deep Pockets, Thick Skin, Dark Foresight (max this out if you can), Gods' Pride or Legacy (either is fine), Fated Persuasion.
honest kernel
i havent touched mirror once i maxxed all of the talents
havent done the side story either
this is the first time i learned about this
where can i unlock them
prophecy?
mossy zinc
Nah, it's probably already unlocked. Lady Nyx tells you about it, and then you can just switch at the Mirror of Night.
honest kernel
i typically go heart rend with atermis special with my runs
im having trouble with the timed heats i end up panicking a lot
mossy zinc
It's honestly just practice. You get more comfortable the more you do it.
honest kernel
its something to work on haha thanks for the help
for my 24 run i just did 7 minutes
and a minute was left on the timeer
mossy zinc
I suspect your pact was also probably unoptimized in a way that hurt your clear time. That's usually the case when players say they're worried about the timer.
But then you change it to TD3 and take away the pacts that hurt clear time, and... suddenly things are clearing a lot faster.
mossy zinc
i typically go heart rend with atermis special with my runs
Starting with Heartbreak Strike gives you Weak immediately and also gives you flexibility for your build because you have three powerful paths with Heart Rend, Low Tolerance, and Smoldering Air... so that way you can just get something decent going either way and focus on Divine Dash in Asphodel to get more safety in your run...
And of course Weak just helps a lot especially in boss fights.
You also geat early access to Life Affirmation.
honest kernel
td3, bp2, mm, uc, em3 is like 21 i think. you can just add fo1, or some hl and l...
i did this + the pact makes the shop more expensive
mossy zinc
Your Special also doesn't really matter too much in Tartarus yet because you can kill most things with just your Dash-Strikes. So an early Attack to help with that is nice.
honest kernel
divine dash is the one that has deflect right?
mossy zinc
Yes.
jaunty falcon
Next time pop the sd before picking up the boon:)
You’ll get an extra death defiance! 😊
next acorn
mossy zinc
To clarify the situation about Damue, since people have been asking and I don't know what's being said in DMs: we removed Damue's runs from the High Heat Leaderboard for cheating (using mods that affect the run directly, such as increasing crit chance). In addition, he's barred from submitting any runs to the High Heat Leaderboard until further notice.
pseudo kernel
I thought that this was supposed to be kept secret
next acorn
yeah
mossy zinc
We've made no such agreement, no.
pseudo kernel
Ok whatever
next acorn
pseudo kernel
mossy zinc
No. He asked to keep it secret if he takes all vods down. It was under consideration, but he ceased all communication. We're not bound by anything.
silent flicker
Gotta be honest idk what going public achieves
mossy zinc
We've always been committed to transparency about all of our decisions.
silent flicker
That's entirely fair but transparency does not have to always mean announcing potential drama
Anyway it's late here imma go sleep
Almost 5AM
next acorn
sleep good
mossy zinc
Like I said in the original post: people have been asking, and I don't know what's being said in DMs, so I wanted to clarify the situation.
silent flicker
Ye to me it just seems like it'd die down eventually you know. I do understand of course, been a mod enough to understand that side
bronze rapids
idk how they expect to keep it a secret anyway with that many vids vanishing suddenly
like a lot more people watch high heat runs among the Chinese players (just by the view count)
next acorn
I think at the very least we should try to avoid discussing it
Just pretend the runs never existed instead of saying they were cheated
next acorn
bronze rapids
it's not so much a "cover up" and more like we don't talk about it unless people start asking questions
mossy zinc
I've no interest in pretending the runs never existed.
The request was to the editors of the high heat leaderboard in the first place, not to y'all.
Even when we considered the option, we weren't considering keeping secret that we removed the runs from the board for not being valid.
next acorn
I feel like they're wishes should be respected to some degree idk
doubt that they will ever show up here but still
undone tartan
Yeah I just don’t see why it should be kept a secret. I’m not saying to go out and start telling everyone just for fun, but I think it makes sense to explain the situation if people ask
mossy zinc
Yeah, and I don't think rumors with no official word at all are too healthy.
flat flicker
mossy zinc
Just to be clear on this in case any other player comes in conflict with the rules again: we generally don't want to bar anyone from competing on the leaderboard, and we'll look for solutions that avoid that. But if you cease communication, we can't do that. And if you make a request and then disappear without communicating with us, we're not gonna consider ourselves to be bound by any demands.
ripe ermine
Yeesh I thought some of those runs seemed like they were critting like… a lot
That’s disappointing
undone tartan
in four months he’ll make a pastebin “explaining” that it was all an accident
pseudo kernel
LMAO
mossy zinc
Let's be kind. 
honest kernel
I do feel like that by trying to keep silent on the situation, it just draws more attention to it. As said previously, you can't just have videos deleted out of nowhere without people asking questions. Hell I should know that more then most people here. With how I see it, it felt like Damue got caught red-handed and wanted out of there without being the center of attention for the situation. Well, sorry bud, you cheated and got caught in a community full of passionate people, you are bound to be viewed in a bad light by those that care. Admit your mistake and move on from Hades, that's the best option available to you. Ghosting is easier, but doesn't show whether you are sorry or not.
I was sort of looking up to him because he played well too : The fact that he felt the need to cheat is sad.
I originally wanted to keep shut publicly on this case, but it can't really happen. Not within this community, anyways.
Respecting his wishes is noble and all, but he broke our community's trust by cheating. Should we let him just walk it off scoff-free ?
jaunty falcon
I did find it a little strange that every single run of his had pretty much everything fall into place
hoary pasture
I agree
jaunty falcon
Didnt the dem fists run accumulate 300% special damage
hoary pasture
It’s just sad
mossy zinc
Our interest for the leaderboard anyway isn't punishment but ensuring fair play.
honest kernel
Oh yeah by "scoff-free" I mean keeping hush on the situtation
We should talk about it. Make that case an example that we don't want cheaters in the leaderboards
hoary pasture
Yea it’s good to explain what happened
He was genuinely considered one of the most dedicated high heaters and it was very impressive
I guess seeing that he had so many hours and attempts in high heat and 60 specifically made seeing the builds less suspicious
honest kernel
Once, maybe. But it was getting ridiculous after so many times.
I knew something felt "off" but I just let it slide
mossy zinc
If he wants to compete on the leaderboard again in the future, he'll need to get in touch with us or the editors of the CN leaderboard, naturally, so we can discuss the conditions.
bronze rapids
the thing that left the biggest bad taste with me was that he'd pin comments defending his "luck" as the result of dedicated grinding
and calling himself stuff like the top shield player or sth around that line
hoary pasture
That does sound kind of arrogant
next acorn
yeah
bronze rapids
and also making a whole callout essay of someone else splicing a high heat run
next acorn
oh did he really
hoary pasture
I never knew that
bronze rapids
yeah it was a 52 RI4 GY
It was never on our boards (or it was removed before my time) so I guess most ppl here won't know
Do we know which runs were cheated? Is it everything that was on his channel or only after a certain time
hoary pasture
As far as I know crit rate stuff was cheated so like Lucifer Dem
Zag shield
But besides that there was some talk about god pools being messed up
And laurels
hoary pasture
Yea I just named the 60s that I remember
There’s probably more in the high 50s etc
bronze rapids
oh yeah the Zag rail spread fire
hoary pasture
The CP2 EM4 fight with Zag shield took like 2:40 or something
That was very sus
Thing is critting too many times
bronze rapids
Yeah I've heard
hoary pasture
I think it might be more noticeable due to the dps uptime
bronze rapids
Or less things happening vs stuff like Luci with all the beams and pulses and stuff
I won't be surprised if the Charon wells were messed with too, there was a run with like, 3 centaur souls? I can barely find one per run
gaunt fiber
Sadge
mossy zinc
Do we know which runs were cheated? Is it everything that was on his channel or ...
I don't know the details for every single run. I originally removed all of the runs from the leaderboard and copied the submissions to another spreadsheet for review of individual runs, but since he removed all of the VODs, that's moot now anyway.
bronze rapids
right
bronze rapids
me when getting sacked on a scruffy build
nimble zenith
Do we know which runs were cheated? Is it everything that was on his channel or ...
all the runs after that 60 heat beo run are sus including the 62 heat zeus, everything before seems good to me
60 heat beo looks legit
so the runs in question are 62 heat zeus, 60 heat rama, 60 heat nem, 60 heat eris, 60 heat luci, 60 heat dem and 62 heat zag shield.
hoary pasture
Sadge
left prism
sadge x2
nimble zenith
all of his pre-60 heat runs seem legit including 58 heat zeus
so it was only after a certain time
honest kernel
So basically when the randomness kicks in overdrive
If his 60 heat beo was legit, it probably meant he didn't want to retry to grind as much as he did but still wanted the results
hoary pasture
so the runs in question are 62 heat zeus, 60 heat rama, 60 heat nem, 60 heat eri...
Can you elaborate on what went wrong in the Zeus Eris rama etc
Since those don’t have crit stuff
And idk exactly whats messed up with the laurels but I just heard that
nimble zenith
eris had arty call, lucy/dem had arty special
hoary pasture
Arty call also had significantly more crit chance?
nimble zenith
he also twisted silver rewards so he got more nectars instead of darkness/gems. this could be found in his zeus and ares special rama runs, especially the later one since he got 3 nectars in tart
hoary pasture
Damn
nimble zenith
basically every run with arty boons involved since 62 heat zeus had twisted crit chance
another thing he did was somehow to only get specific gods, like athena/aphro/arty/zeus for most of his runs in question. we figured it out because in his 60 heat lucy run thesus summoned arty when arty was already in his god pool
this is very unlikely to happen
or i should say "impossible"
half heart
Yikes, I didn't even watched it, but now I'm curious
hoary pasture
But I would’ve never noticed the nectar stuff
half heart
Unfortunately no VODs
honest kernel
another thing he did was somehow to only get specific gods, like athena/aphro/ar...
For the record, the default god Theseus summons IS Artemis
So there definitely was something up there
Something that can be noted in Fresh File, or the first run ... Which is limited to 4 gods
And Artemis is one of those, *meaning you can get Artemis summoned while having her in the god pool. Only possible in said first run
nimble zenith
But I would’ve never noticed the nectar stuff
yeah i wouldnt have noticed it if bright didnt tell me about those weird crit chances. but then we just sit and watched those runs for two days lol
honest kernel
All it takes is one spark
hoary pasture
half heart
If I wanted to use tabletop RPG sentence, then I would say that your friend rolled nat 20 in perception
honest kernel
To be fair he wasn't alone in that something felt off. We just brushed it off as a whole
Until the investigation began
I for one couldn't see how often he would get the build AND the rooms to align so well
But justified it to an hyper grind
sigh
half heart
So it's not even seeded run anymore?
honest kernel
It's beyond seeded. It's tampering with the game files
We are entering modded territory
And one that was made to look vanilla
Oh, and also to give himself an edge that isn't possible to have in the unmodded game
mossy zinc
m glad this community is so reliable in catching things like that and informing us. That's a robust and healthy community.
hoary pasture
Indeed
nimble zenith
mossy zinc
If not for y'all, a leaderboard where players can just submit their runs and it immediately goes on the board without verification wouldn't be possible.
What I mean to say is...
My idea to set the board up like that was just the best.
cursive portal
I mean
Wouldn't it be better to just have verifiers for the sheet
With extra attention given to top runs
mossy zinc
Not really, no. That's just a whole lot of unnecessary extra work for extremely rare cases.
cursive portal
So you'd prefer for things to boil over like they did here
cursive portal
Probably the best player in the world cheating seems like boiling over
honest kernel
Not for a community-based indie roguelike leaderboard of a niche category
Not good it happened, but far from the end of the world
mossy zinc
Something subtle like this would have most likely slipped by routine verifications anyway. It's not a very effective method tbh, especially not for how much more work it is.
honest kernel
Pretty sure the ones used for Hades Speedruns is something along the lines of "Check if there is a pre-run death, check for obvious non-vanilla/non-modpack stuff that's out of place, make sure the run info is accurate"
And Damue's modifications were subtle enough that it would pass through unless we went hard like Magnil and co did
mossy zinc
We can perhaps consider reviewing new WRs more closely if players are concerned about cheating at the top, but we're not changing the policy that new submissions don't require verification to go on the board.
honest kernel
If there is any suspicion, I don't see why we can't single out reviews, yeah
honest kernel
and calling himself stuff like the top shield player or sth around that line
I will say tho, learning about THIS gets me on a personal level. Makes me want to clear 64 heat unmodded unseeded even more now, *Just to show what a top shield player can do without needing to cheat
mossy zinc
The thing is that new WRs will be watched my multiple players anyway. If they don't catch on to any cheating, then anybody else verifying it most likely wouldn't either.
silent flicker
I mean
The trackmania cheating scandal took 10+ years to be caught
With millions upon millions of people viewing the records
And it took close critical verification by specific people to catch it
Argument of if the masses won't notice then those who verify won't is a bit odd when the latter group can better understand what to look for or even to suspect it more in the first place
I do not mind the open anyone can submit style of leaderboard
But idg this argument lol
mossy zinc
I'd say you just made the argument for the current system.
silent flicker
If anything the argument I made is about the possible usefullness of having verifiers
nimble zenith
but who would take time to keep a very close eye on every single submissions though. even src verifiers wont watch those specific details and i doubt anyone would volunteer for that kind of job.
quiet mountain
ideally a program could identify whether a game has been modified or not and that could be used for submission verification but that would be complex
nimble zenith
like, are there anyone really would count crit chances for every single submission?
counting crit chances alone is a lot of job to be done
cursive portal
ideally a program could identify whether a game has been modified or not and th...
we dont have those tools for verification aside from routed runs
nimble zenith
besides we even dont know what kind of details we're looking for...
quiet mountain
we dont have those tools for verification aside from routed runs
yea but it would be awesome
nimble zenith
i think verifying runs by whether a run cheated or not is not really practicable, but if we only want verifiers for some basic submissions rules (i.e. pre-death, no codex, etc), we kinda have that position already
cursive portal
the heat spreadsheet doesnt require the ingame timer
unlike src
I guess you have TD on most of the time so it doesnt really matter
but I get what you mean
I remember comparing my 60 zag shield to damue's, I had 140% bonus attack damage+arti crits, he had 100%+arti crits
his dad fight is 40 seconds faster
that different is inexplicable without tampering with crit chances or something
quiet mountain
skill issue
nimble zenith
mossy zinc
Have you tried mashing Attack faster?
cursive portal
good point
its not mashing its strategically re pressing the attack button quickly
quiet mountain
the harder u press attack the more damage u do
pseudo kernel
just gotta grind the game more
mossy zinc
Try one of these. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71gBYaIGKML._AC_SL1500_.jpg
cursive portal
cursive portal
Try one of these. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71gBYaIGKML._AC_SL1500_.jp...
so a keyboard
hoary pasture
cursive portal
special on q 
pseudo kernel
:disappointmentchampion:
cursive portal
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
All I can say is Special on Q never bothered me.
So from that I have to conclude it's true.
cursive portal
the only two expressions that matter
pseudo kernel
mossy zinc
@cursive portal did you do any runs lately that you haven't submitted yet? Because I have something special for that that I've been eager to use, but no one's been giving me the opportunity...
left prism
i cant speak about special on Q cause i dont use keyboard
mossy zinc
i cant speak about special on Q cause i dont use keyboard <:dusa:522248771409543...
No, you can.
cursive portal
<@!382614984653537290> did you do any runs lately that you haven't submitted yet...
What about you
I dont recall completing any more unmodded runs after my 2 60s
hoary pasture
What's that special something
mossy zinc
What's that special something
Not on Q.
Me? I've been playing maybe like 5 hours of Hades in the last few months. I think I did a couple in the 40s, but nothing really I'd bother recording.
mossy zinc
What's your PB with Beowulf now?
cursive portal
He has 55 modded
hoary pasture
Yea
hoary pasture
50
mossy zinc
I see.
So... that means vanilla is basically playing with +5 Heat compared to modded.
Don't think anyone can argue with that.
hoary pasture
Totally
ripe ermine
My PB modded is 57, 52 unmodded. Checks out.
hoary pasture
I mean if you can do it Modded you can do it Unmodded it's just a matter of how much you're willing to reset
ripe ermine
Or get 4-sacked
cursive portal
my only 61 attempt to make it to styx got 5 sacked lol
pseudo kernel
Nice
silent flicker
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> but who would take time to keep a very close eye on...
Then how did they get caught
Unless they self-reported I presume someone or some-more-than-one essentially did what could be seen as verifying while knowing/figuring out what to look for
mossy zinc
The cheating was identified exactly as we expected cheating would be identified when we decided on the system in place. The top runs will be watched by other top players anyway, and if anyone sees anything suspicious, they will point it out and we'll look into it. It's working as intended.
Also fyi, a couple of players verified runs during Early Access. But it was both too much work for them to keep up with in a timely manner and ineffective. The one player who cheated was caught well after the runs had already been verified, so verification didn't catch it, and it happened pretty much the same way it happened now with other top players noticing something suspicious in the run and people then looking into more of their runs. That's two times in two years something like this happened at all, which is way less than 1% of submissions, and both times it was caught by the community, which is essentially self-regulating.
undone tartan
Have you tried mashing Attack faster?
Metroid dread moment
undone tartan
Just making a quick jab at a non-Hades game, not trying to start a conversation about it
cursive portal
Im meming
mossy zinc
Yeah, get outta here, @undone tartan. This is a serious Hades channel for only serious Hades discussion. Actually, no, discussion is over in #h1-discussion. This channel is only for high heat strategies in Hades. No discussion allowed.
undone tartan
pseudo kernel
yeah fr*ck you pancacke
undone tartan
Uhh high heat strategy: if you i-frame TD with perfect accuracy then TD3 is free heat
quartz mantle
I tried some 55 Beo today but not really grinding it so might take a while
“Might take a while”
pseudo kernel
lmao
mossy zinc
Oh.
quartz mantle
That’s like 3 complete runs worth of time
mossy zinc
Perfect.
bronze rapids
Still impressive
hoary pasture
Well not total, I did like 2 hours in the morning
mossy zinc
@hoary pasture 🔫 https://clips.twitch.tv/TrustworthyPreciousJayMcaT-GM7rxScsaehtl7iw
dapper schooner
took an hour and a half
I took an hour and a half to get out of tart once today
clearly we are equally skilled.
hoary pasture
next acorn
🔫
cursive portal
So true ptt
flat flicker
ptt never got his vowels back
next acorn
they're a scam
pseudo kernel
i have some vowels
quartz mantle
I have plenty of vowels to spare
next acorn
dang I've been left alone 
pseudo kernel
vowel supremacy
next acorn
no
hoary pasture
pseudo kernel
can confirm that was my xbox live name
mossy zinc
Why would a 10 year olds xbox have a name like that?
next acorn
trying to be edgy or smthn idk
next acorn
just gives off xX_GAMER_Xx vibes
hoary pasture
my upload is gonna take ages
cursive portal
The xbox is trying to be edgy?
The original xbox design did have pretty sharp edges tbh
mossy zinc
It did.
ashen garnet
Turns out beeg grinder energy was rly sus 
next acorn
what
undone tartan
Huh
undone tartan
That’s weird take
Grinder energy is not sus at all
Grinding is admirable
How do you think people get world records
ashen garnet
How do you think people get world records
Skill issue
ashen garnet
Nope, but skill is correlated with grind/practice somehow
undone tartan
That’s actually such an obnoxious and stupid take
mossy zinc
You're being unnecessarily rude and aggressive.
undone tartan
Grinding is not a skill issue
pseudo kernel
bruh moment
cursive portal
cursive portal
You're being unnecessarily rude and aggressive.
silent flicker
Ye that take is
Like I had a discussion with @mossy zinc before that is a good example of how to have a civil debate maybe do that
ashen garnet
Well, uhm, not sure what's the issue, but feeling like I am being very clunky so I need to rephrase/explain : I was only saying that you get WRs with a lot of skill 1st and that it requires grinding/practice in general. Also, I was not believing in the amount of good rng the run had back in the days and a lot of players said/argued it was happening thanks to heavy grinding (or at least, that's how I understood it)
Sorry if it felt rude or like a very bad joke
silent flicker
Also fyi, a couple of players verified runs during Early Access. But it was both...
I realize I never responded to this now, I can kinda vibe with this explanation, although it does make it less no verification needed to submit but rather verifying starts once the run is on the board which is kinda funny.
But I do understand it better now
Thanks
undone tartan
Runs get good RNG without cheating by the way
His were cheated, but that doesn’t mean that good RNG = cheating
quartz mantle
Do we need to have another Dream discussion about how long term randomness works
undone tartan
And grinding for success definitely ≠ cheating
silent flicker
If I never see the name Dream again it will be too soon
That month or so was some of the worst time to be online lol
quartz mantle
Cause the crit rng was just unfeasible and genuinely unattainable even with grinding
silent flicker
That and the trackmania scandal sure weren't a fun time for me
undone tartan
And if I hear people seeing runs with good RNG and throwing around baseless accusations I’m gonna be so frustrated
quartz mantle
If I never see the name Dream again it will be too soon
Apologies for bringing it up but it felt like it fit
silent flicker
It's fine lol
quartz mantle
No one is throwing baseless accusations lmao
silent flicker
I'm half-joking
quartz mantle
Ye I get that
ashen garnet
Something felt definitely off, but given the rng nature of the game and high heat which sometimes delivers, I did let it slide aswell.
Also, seeing the run on the leaderboard killed my motivation to grind 2 months ago, so I do really appreciate the transparency and the investigation/verification work 🙏
imho the only way to make things right is for the player to get these runs (at least some of them) in a legit, verified and trustworthy way
silent flicker
The trackmania stuff was way worse for me cause I was part of that community and grinding hard for insane times
undone tartan
No one is throwing baseless accusations lmao
I know but saying “big grinder energy was rly sus” is bordering on that
silent flicker
Something felt definitely off, but given the rng nature of the game and high hea...
I think the way to make it right is the same as any other cheating scandal, acknowledge it happened, remove the runs, move on
quartz mantle
Nah just the idea of posting near perfect runs and just saying “yea but I play a lot” is a lil sus
quartz mantle
I think the way to make it right is the same as any other cheating scandal, ackn...
^^^^^
hoary pasture
^
quartz mantle
We’ve already been over this whole situation enough imo
ashen garnet
I will say tho, learning about THIS gets me on a personal level. Makes me want t...
All the same for my own goals
undone tartan
Nah just the idea of posting near perfect runs and just saying “yea but I play a...
Yes but also isn’t that what most anyheat wrs look like
silent flicker
Like there's two good approaches, keeping it between cheater/admins so it doesn't become drama, or being public and then immediately getting people to move on lol
mossy zinc
I'd never heard of trackmania before today ngl.
silent flicker
Trackmania scandal is the biggest cheating scandal in gaming history
ashen garnet
scratch is a tiny bit late
Yup, sorry about this, I am already a 🐢 in general (too many channels to read in too little time), but having keyboard issues this week-end is not helping
silent flicker
10+ years, thousands of cheated runs, hundreds of WRs
Main person involved even cheated runs he did for the developers
mossy zinc
In a game nobody heard of.
silent flicker
Trackmania is a bigger franchise than you think
It is giant in Europe, absolutely massive in Germany, and has had 10+ titles since like 2003
quartz mantle
Anyways if Damue is coming up again I guess I’ll put my two cents in
We don’t need active verification for the high heat board cause it’s mostly a community based thing and any runs that cause an impact on the community will be seen by enough people to sus out anything that could be cheating
Which I’m pretty sure was the consensus anyways but yea
bronze rapids
Something felt definitely off, but given the rng nature of the game and high hea...
those run actually motivated me to bring a few weapons to 40 bc there was a build I can copy and go from there
silent flicker
It is giant in Europe, absolutely massive in Germany, and has had 10+ titles sin...
It is also very speedruncore and a staple of speedrunning as a whole, but if you're not into arcade racer style stuff and/or in the US I can understand having heard of it less
mossy zinc
Anyway, back to Hades.
silent flicker
Yeeee
I might go into high heat runs at some point
Did one 32 heat
But I definitely need to like
Mentally prepare
This game is ADHD stim heaven but not getting hit is not 
mossy zinc
Nah, you need to just go for it.
ashen garnet
those run actually motivated me to bring a few weapons to 40 bc there was a bui...
Yeah, but it's deceiving if you expect to get the same results without altered files. Could also lead to players trying to grind as much to equal the performance without having the same conditions from the start
undone tartan
I think anything 45 heat and under is very fun
shy gulch
back to hey deez
mossy zinc
Comfort will come with practice and experience.
undone tartan
But going past 45 is where the pacts start to make the game less fun, at least for me
silent flicker
32 was already intense for me
undone tartan
I don’t mean difficultly-wise
mossy zinc
But going past 45 is where the pacts start to make the game less fun, at least f...
I've heard that song before.
hoary pasture
I can kinda enjoy anything that has RI0
silent flicker
I took a quick break during that run and then forgot was running 32
mossy zinc
I can kinda enjoy anything that has RI4.
silent flicker
I really need adhd meds
undone tartan
I just want to do RI0 AP<2 EM<4
hoary pasture
EM4 feels very rewarding ngl
undone tartan
Climbing heat past 45 has a very different feeling than it does before that
At least for me
waxen relic
I enjoy things that make me play different. Like Cursed Slash Arthur 
silent flicker
On my one EM4 run I did I also forgot I was doing EM4
I am good at forgetting things midway through runs
undone tartan
Really pushing myself to do my first 40 and my first 45 was really fun but pushing myself to do 50s is kinda painful and frustrating
silent flicker
If I take a long enough break mid run for like tea I tend to forget which aspect I was running
undone tartan
You take long breaks mid-run?
mossy zinc
Keep in mind when we say EM4 here, we generally mean EM4 along with all the other stuff like HL5 FO2 etc.
undone tartan
Keep in mind when we say EM4 here, we generally mean EM4 along with all the othe...
Yeah I mean 45+ heat EM4
silent flicker
And that can turn into breaks
undone tartan
I always do EM4 for my casual runs
That way I can really show off my completed build on someone who has a lot of health
silent flicker
In my any heat PB there is like a 1m+ pause in furies dialogue cause I think I got distracted thinking I missed smth uni related and then checked that and almost went to read a book for a course before I realized I was doing a run
undone tartan
I do EM4 MM
cursive portal
This game is ADHD stim heaven but not getting hit is not <:DogeKek:9086955057422...
I feel this on a molecular level
silent flicker
In my any heat PB there is like a 1m+ pause in furies dialogue cause I think I g...
My adhd is very bad
bronze rapids
This game is ADHD stim heaven but not getting hit is not <:DogeKek:9086955057422...
A mood
silent flicker
While I'm speedrunning I have Spotify on, a podcast on, and sometimes also a video essay
cursive portal
I think theres one em4 where I literally pause every 20 seconds because im in the middle on doing 3 other things at the same time
silent flicker
So
cursive portal
still won it lol
silent flicker
You know, don't be me
bronze rapids
I wasted a summon once bc it used to be on right stick press which is my stim button
So it's elsewhere now
undone tartan
I often pause runs to talk on discord but I avoid taking long breaks
hoary pasture
I dont take long breaks because vod would become bigger
bronze rapids
do youall feel you focus better if the music is off
hoary pasture
my internet is barely keeping up already
silent flicker
I think theres one em4 where I literally pause every 20 seconds because im in th...
Me pausing when I enter the courtyard cause my brain registers the fade in as a room and I am distracted so I pause to focus on what I assume to be combat
undone tartan
do youall feel you focus better if the music is off
Sometimes, it’s weird
I focus better for hitless runs if music is off, but then I get really bored
mossy zinc
I think most of my submissions to the speedrun leaderboard have like 10-minute pause screens somewhere in the run.
silent flicker
do youall feel you focus better if the music is off
I have my own music on
undone tartan
For speedruns I always listen to music or else Tartarus will be miserable and I’ll quit within 30 minutes
hoary pasture
same
silent flicker
I cannot focus without music at the very least
shy gulch
i have my own music but also the game sound effects
undone tartan
I usually listen to the DS3 ost, or the Cuphead ost
bronze rapids
shy gulch
not game music
silent flicker
But usually that alone isn't enough
bronze rapids
Dead chat who 
cursive portal
i have my own music but also the game sound effects
copyright go br
silent flicker
Music, sound effects, podcast and/or video essay
undone tartan
copyright go br
You don’t have to record the music, just the game audio
bronze rapids
For school I focus better with music but somehow for hades only I'm better without
Maybe the sfx pokes my stim center enough
hoary pasture
i have my own music but also the game sound effects
that's pretty much what I do
cursive portal
also like sound effects important
silent flicker
You don’t have to record the music, just the game audio
Croven silent vod oops forgot to record audio moment
cursive portal
you're gonna die without them
hoary pasture
but idk if the sound effects are helping ngl
cursive portal
Maybe the sfx pokes my stim center enough
crit sounds just AAAAAAAAA
so good
could you tell I like nem
bronze rapids
also like sound effects important
Yeah they tell me which way the exit is in Aspho
undone tartan
I usually turn off my music when I get to Lernie for hitless or high heat runs because I have to hyper focus, but before then I use music to keep the grind from making me insane
hoary pasture
in EM4 fights I usually stop the music or make it much quieter
bronze rapids
crit....has sounds?
silent flicker
I have never listened to exit audio cues in aspho
bronze rapids
#casual
pseudo kernel
Game feels weird without my music playing
silent flicker
Then again I don't play with headphones on
Gotta hear the podcast
And the music
bronze rapids
Open back headphones
undone tartan
crit....has sounds?
Yeah it’s great
hoary pasture
crits sounds are like very unsatisfying to me
cursive portal
crit....has sounds?
https://youtu.be/f6GipboAH3I?t=1597 the double crit here that loud high sound basically
mossy zinc
Recently when I play Hades, I don't really focus at all and just vibe to my music and somewhere during EM4 remember I actually need to pay attention to the fight. Well, sometimes I remember.
ashen garnet
Seems like I am behind on heat runs submissions
silent flicker
High quality thumbnail
silent flicker
Recently when I play Hades, I don't really focus at all and just vibe to my musi...
I feel like I do better anyway when I barely notice I'm running
cursive portal
I try to make the highest low effort thumbnail
hoary pasture
my run still uploading
i wanna know what the special thing is for leaderboard submissions
cursive portal
🔫 <:dusa:522248771409543188> https://clips.twitch.tv/TrustworthyPreciousJayMcaT...
ok uwu
silent flicker
Someone has been stalking my YT ever since I started uploading Hades runs
Hades is the first game I didn't upload unlisted lol
mossy zinc
i wanna know what the special thing is for leaderboard submissions
I literally just posted it.
Bruh.
undone tartan
I still keep every upload unlisted
hoary pasture
smh
undone tartan
Gonna do a few hitless attempts
pseudo kernel
Don't get hit
mossy zinc
How are you gonna clear without hitting anything?
undone tartan
How are you gonna clear without hitting anything?
Trap damage
silent flicker
I wanted to show people lol
cursive portal
Trap damage
silent flicker
Trap damage % run when
mossy zinc
Trap damage
Gonna lure Lernie into the magma?
silent flicker
You’d need to find something else for champions and lernie
Mod them out
pseudo kernel
You’d need to find something else for champions and lernie
Use tight deadline damage against them
undone tartan
EM4 hades uses pots in phase 1 right?
cursive portal
he doesnt
undone tartan
Oh
cursive portal
that would so ass
undone tartan
Then Hades phase 1 isn’t possible either
undone tartan
that would so ass
It would
pseudo kernel
Honestly would so ass
cursive portal
imagine sneaks and bballs with pots around LMAO
cursive portal
or gorgons breaking pots with their projectiles
ashen garnet
EM4 hades uses pots in phase 1 right?
I would gladly trade summons for pots
silent flicker
What'd be a good channel to post my big bpm music playlist I made for hades speedrunning
pseudo kernel
Forgot that channel existed
bronze rapids
maybe even hades disc since it's somewhat related
mossy zinc
Put it in music already
No, I won't. Do it yourself.
silent flicker
bronze rapids
mossy zinc
silent flicker
quartz mantle
back to hey deez
What’s back
bronze rapids
I used to joke that playing in chinese gives me better seeds
It was mostly based on confirmation bias from my own runs but never expected the monkey's paw to curl that way
ashen garnet
Seems like I am behind on heat runs submissions <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Turns out I am dumb and runs are already on both modded and unmodded leaderboards Though, it seems like "unrecorded runs" sheet of the modded leaderboard isn't displaying anything
dapper schooner
ohh
mossy zinc
Turns out I am dumb and runs are already on both modded and unmodded leaderboard...
@shy plinth can you look into that please?
shy plinth
I think this is the speedrun leaderboard?
Oh is it victory screen only
No, I think this is speedrun leaderboard and not us
mossy zinc
On the modded high heat leaderboard, the one in the speedrun server. Aren't you helping with that one, too?
mossy zinc
👍
They oughta show gratitude by buying me something nice for going out of my way to ping you to help them with their leaderboard.
I think I deserve that.
undone tartan
dawn chasm
ive never really read this chat but im doing a 32 heat run and im going all in on damage reduction and its working i think
devout quiver
nice
mossy zinc
My 32 Heat Guide has start for Weak and high damage from the start, so that's not bad to double down on damage reduction (and also HP).
Just make sure your DPS is also still decent.
devout quiver
i normally took rose to force certain duos.
mossy zinc
Yeah, that's also a reason for start. She has some amazing Duo Boons.
Like Smoldering Air can carry a run even at 32 Heat.
undone tartan
Even at 50 heat tbh
dapper schooner
imagine getting smair without taking em4 at 50
so ig you can get it with beo which doesnt really need it
mossy zinc
Well... I was thinking more in the way of I could coach a player who's just done 12 Heat or something through 32 with a decent Smair build. Definitely not through a 50 Heat run, though.