h1-high-heat-strategies

[flat flicker]

Be careful not to stub your toes on cursed chests vowel cat

[undone tartan]

Lmao vowel cat

[pseudo kernel]

Bruh

[next acorn]

@pseudo kernel

[pseudo kernel]

@next acorn

[flat flicker]

@flat flicker

[next acorn]

@pseudo kernel

[pseudo kernel]

@next acorn

[next acorn]

@pseudo kernel

[pseudo kernel]

We should probably stop before mods ban us all

[next acorn]

[flat flicker]

ok vowel cat o7

good call lol

[pseudo kernel]

High heat channel being high heat channel

[flat flicker]

Consonants in your name is 20 heat

you win

I’m at 60 heat

anyway

I hear charged shot is a decent hammer

[pseudo kernel]

Cshot kinda pog

[bronze rapids]

#dead-cells-strategies

[next acorn]

#h1-high-heat-strategies

[flat flicker]

consonants meta

purge your vowels

[next acorn]

k

now you do it 🔫

[tidal flame]

Ew Dead Cells

Gotta exfoliate

[flat flicker]

purged

@bronze rapids you gotta purge your vowels too

[pseudo kernel]

What's happening over here

[flat flicker]

there’s a special at the well, purge some vowels

[pseudo kernel]

Ok

[honest kernel]

whats HADE montlhy challenge

can we play online?

[pseudo kernel]

It's a challenge made my nyaanyaa mewmew every month

They are all pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[quartz mantle]

My name is mostly vowels I cannot purge them

[pseudo kernel]

My name is all vowels

[quartz mantle]

I would just become n

[pseudo kernel]

Nah you would be n | cf0 ddct

[quartz mantle]

Tr

Wht f w stp sng vwls n gnrl

[pseudo kernel]

Tht wld b pggrs

[flat flicker]

md effrt

bsed tho

[quartz mantle]

Tbh vwls r nncssry

[pseudo kernel]

Tr

[quartz mantle]

Mst wrds gt shrtnd nd ls thr vwls nywys

[pseudo kernel]

Wht

M t trd fr ths

[quartz mantle]

Ndrstndbl

[flat flicker]

bttr n kybrd

mbl hrd

[quartz mantle]

tcrrct knd bd ngl

[hoary pasture]

high heaters memeing in their natural habitat

[dapper schooner]

luckily for me im a casual runner and not a high heat player so i can still use vowels

[hoary pasture]

same

[flat flicker]

wmp wmp

[flat flicker]

@harsh latchd @mk gt gd

That was way harder to do than it should have been ngl

[hoary pasture]

[cursive portal]

I wish

Co op 64 heat

[timber pike]

who would be the second player?

is it just multiple zagreuses beating up dad?

[pseudo kernel]

Double zag

[flat flicker]

Skelly and zag with new banter

Make my life

[pseudo kernel]

Damn, double zag and zag with skelly would just be Darren talking to himself

[flat flicker]

It already is that

[dapper schooner]

would each zag get their own boons

or would they have to share

[quartz mantle]

I think coop sounds dope

like imagine you have someone run Hades spear for debuffing and them another person running Rama or Hestia for damage

[hoary pasture]

lol

[flat flicker]

I’m more excited about the pvp possibility of Thanatos fights

except instead of than it’s two zags

[quartz mantle]

Ok but imagine Talos and Achilles for mega cast damage

Or just Talos and Beo

Talos debuff plus Beo base damage

[dapper schooner]

talos

it would only matter for bosses

beo oneshots everything else anyways

[left prism]

Eris buff instead

[flat flicker]

Incomplete idea but something inspired by bughouse chess

Boons get traded around between players

[bronze rapids]

Someone once posted the idea for another hades kid to be the 2nd player

[bronze rapids]

Or just swap the language :3

[flat flicker]

hax

language pack OP devs plz nerf

[bronze rapids]

昨天爱特爆炸矛1死在了老爹

[quartz mantle]

Idk I feel like in terms of coop that like buffs only apply to you but debuffs apply to enemies and therefore anyone who deals damage to them

[left prism]

Ah makes sense

[quartz mantle]

Maybe I just don't want Eris to be dominant again lol

Cause in this case Gilga actually has a cool niche use as support for someone with a lot of flat damage

like Maim could buff Zeus or doom builds a lot

[flat flicker]

yeah i mean, redoing the meta would be a whole other can of worms

double eris rail prob still stonks

[quartz mantle]

I mean yea

funny gimmicks always seem cool but two times the power still kinda good

[flat flicker]

what if both needs to be in the special to get the eris buff to pop

idk

balanced game

[pseudo kernel]

Gilgamesh

[bronze rapids]

What if friendly fire enabled

[quartz mantle]

Hades pvp tho

would be kinda gaming

Hestia one-shot meta

[flat flicker]

Pvp mode

Pick five boons each and go

[quartz mantle]

I think it would be cool if you both went on a run and battled after every boss

Like you clear a biome then you go into Erebus and duel with what you have

[bronze rapids]

Max rarity evasion and second wind, Smair Gilga, RR

[flat flicker]

Would acorn work

[dapper schooner]

cant oneshot me if i hold down block until youre in range of my beo cshot

shield would be so toxic if there was PvP

and melee weapons are just inferior as usual

[quartz mantle]

Then you're just a prime target for getting specialed

[quartz mantle]

That would be kinda neat

[dapper schooner]

beo block radius will block the special trust me

also to special you have to get in range of cshot

[cursive portal]

[gaunt fiber]

the vowel cat arc was really funny

[empty reef]

@undone tartan Thanks for tip about the pact. In fact i m bad if i play with stubborn defiance. I know i'll have to play with it for 32heats+ so better to learn to play with asap ^^. I don't know, getting back to 30% hp after a death and having only 1 chance per boss is scarying me. Maybe you have any tips so i could get used to SD?

[hoary pasture]

Just practice

Get better at dodging stuff

Especially bosses

[undone tartan]

LC4 SD takes practice to get used to

[left prism]

And remember to check if you actually have your SD before healing

[undone tartan]

Also remember that Athena can give extra DDs

[cursive portal]

always take the top option from patty

[left prism]

Charon wells for touch of styx is always nice to check

[cursive portal]

because the middle one doesnt heal you on LC4

[undone tartan]

Always lose SD before picking up an Athena boon if you already have a non-call core from her

[undone tartan]

Yeah ToSD is stupid busted

[empty reef]

yeah i know the trick for athena but thanks for remind me 🙂

[empty reef]

Lol, i did that mistake last time i played with SD. I forgot i died in the room, went into the lava to reset my hp and.. went back to home 😂

i laughed and felt so stupid at the same time

[left prism]

Ah you already experienced the classic i see

[empty reef]

xD

but yeah having only 1 chance per boss is scary

i guess it will make me improve my dodge skills

so its a good thing

[left prism]

Can also do the trade to hl5 and fo1 or 0 too

[undone tartan]

We’ve all done it

[empty reef]

^^

[left prism]

I somehow still dont die to that

[undone tartan]

I’ve done it right before beating C34 on a 50 heat EM3 run

[left prism]

But i've thinked of "wait i didnt heal, nvm"

[undone tartan]

Ran into an arrow because I thought I had an SD

[left prism]

I still enjoy Haelian egg clip so much

Dying in 50 heat to that

[pseudo kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/haelian-hades-eggs-mistake-gif-19288335

[empty reef]

well im fine with FO. HL is very hard for me because yeah i think i should focus more on dodging. Now that im also used to TD3 i think i should take the time to dodge and not rush all the time

[gaunt fiber]

FO makes HL dangerous

[empty reef]

yeah

i prefer higher FO and lower HL

but thats maybe a mistake

[gaunt fiber]

high HL and low FO is easier

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/908168128750567456.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[left prism]

Dmg up wont matter if you can react to it

[empty reef]

yeah that seems logic

exactly

i think i'll do some chill runs with no TD, just trying to improve my dodges

can be a good thing

[undone tartan]

Maybe

But I suggest practicing with TD because playing fast is also very important

Don’t play so fast that you play bad

Just play as well as you usually do, but quickly

Takes practice

[empty reef]

yeah 🙂

but i feel i rly improved with 32 heats. That's still a challenge, but not as hard as a week ago

[raw cloud]

im still struggling to clear 32 tbh

i havent been practicing much though

[empty reef]

just take time yeah

[undone tartan]

I feel like the easiest way to do 32 has to be with Hestia

[raw cloud]

im v e r y bad with hestia

[empty reef]

for the moment my easiest run was with beo

rly, rly easy

[undone tartan]

Yeah

[raw cloud]

ive gotten the closest with eris

[undone tartan]

But Beo requires some practice to be decent with

[raw cloud]

i could try beo

[undone tartan]

You could do a 32 with Hestia while only doing:
Attack -> Reload and dash -> repeat

What are you using now?

[left prism]

Btw @cursive portal on zag shield fo you use fiery or shadow presence (whitout dc ofc)

[cursive portal]

what heat

[left prism]

Gonna try 40

[undone tartan]

Without DC I’d imagine it has to be fiery right?

[cursive portal]

shadow def

[undone tartan]

Oh

Nvm

Lmao

[cursive portal]

heroes EM3 is the hardest part of the entire run

[raw cloud]

been trying to use eris primarily

[undone tartan]

Ah

What build

[cursive portal]

even harder than EM4 imo

that fight will just destroy you if you dont have enough damage to finish it quickly

so I will just hop behind asterius and start cshotting-attack spamming him for like 1500 damage

[raw cloud]

uhh depends but usually zeus or dio attack and then duos that help that

also had trouble setting up pact

[undone tartan]

At 32, always do Zeus

And look for jolted

[left prism]

Also should i cope with common aphro attack or at least rare

[undone tartan]

And prioritize Aphrodite or Athena so you can get Smair or DDs for safety

[raw cloud]

kk

[empty reef]

Athena saved me so many runs ^^

[undone tartan]

And take delta chamber over anything except your second piece of clockets

[raw cloud]

got it! thanks!

[left prism]

Delta chamber comfy

[raw cloud]

lc4 scares me tbh

[undone tartan]

I highly suggest it

[empty reef]

i agree, its scary ^^

[undone tartan]

It takes practice

But it’s worth it

[left prism]

Erebus gates for hp on tart can be so good too

So if you wanna practice those is worth

Specially early in tart

[empty reef]

i cleared all my 32s with DDs. But i wont go higher without SD i think

[undone tartan]

The ability to take hits in Elysium along with the extra heat from LC4 makes a huge difference

[raw cloud]

alr! id assume td3 and em3 too right? im pretty comfortable with both so

[empty reef]

yeah

[raw cloud]

going to try eris one more time and then see if hestia is any good for me

[undone tartan]

You could do EM2 if you prefer. At 32 heat, you have the liberty to make that choice

[raw cloud]

okay is: HL1, LC4, CF1, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, DC2 (eris), TD3 an okay pact?

possibly change to hl2 cf0

[undone tartan]

I’d personally probably do HL5 FO0 CF0

[cursive portal]

CF zag mad

[bronze rapids]

CF1 is fine

[undone tartan]

Or at least HL2 CF0

[mossy zinc]

Rite of passage.

[empty reef]

^^

[raw cloud]

eh ive played with cf2 for practice and i can usually rack up enough gold to buy something at the before boss shops so i think i can do cf1

[mossy zinc]

Happens to me most often after Lernie somehow.

[mossy zinc]

Looks good enough.

[raw cloud]

whats a high heat hestia build if eris doesnt work out?

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike.

That's the build.

[cursive portal]

tidal dash tart for crowd control if you're lower than 50 imo

[raw cloud]

alr can do that

[cursive portal]

then shackle into arti/aphrodite/athena/demeter attacks with a high %

some dash strike/attack/special chaos is nice

cluster rockets are great but rico,hazard,piercing are also quite good

[raw cloud]

kk

thanks!

[undone tartan]

Yes, you can still buy things. But you buy a lot less. It’s very nice to be able to buy hearts/poms and boons in nearly every shop. Makes a big difference

[raw cloud]

yeah fair

could try hl2 cf0 then

[undone tartan]

I’m currently running 50 heat Hestia with RI2 AP2 and I’m starting Athena for divine dash and plan to swap to shackle if I don’t get an attack boon in Tart. What do y’all think of this plan

[pseudo kernel]

i would just do shackle start

cant really do divine dash start if you have ri2 and ap2

[undone tartan]

I can if I’m patient

[pseudo kernel]

[timber pike]

this happened to me on one of my first times playing 32 heat

i felt so dumb

[pseudo kernel]

it happens to everyone

[timber pike]

and it was right after beating lernie

it didnt take me long to win after that though so it doesnt matter too much now

[pseudo kernel]

https://youtu.be/fGKSzxclhnI

or you can do something like this

[timber pike]

lol doing it when yu have a good amount of health left already

[empty reef]

i didnt do that mistake yet lol

[pure lily]

Math hard

[timber pike]

which video is that

[pseudo kernel]

idk

[left prism]

i got killed by controller drift

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/849657007131721758.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[pseudo kernel]

that cant happen on kbm

kbm supremacy

[left prism]

ah yes switch kbm

31 hp mid phase 2 of dad

should have hide in the pillar instead of hug

no patty/DDs so i feel good anyways

[hoary pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/849657007131721758.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[undone tartan]

Speeder bowmen, do they shoot so fast that it’s impossible to avoid subsequent shots once you’re in hitstun from one? Or am I bad

[pseudo kernel]

both

idk probably

they just shoot way too many arrows

[undone tartan]

Is it 5? Or 3

Wait I think it’s 1 normally, 3 armored, 5 or 6 in Hades fight?

[pseudo kernel]

3 armored so just double that and thats probably it

[hoary pasture]

9

[pseudo kernel]

lmao

[undone tartan]

I’m hearing a lot of mixed answers here

[left prism]

Too many arrows

[hoary pasture]

go find one and let them go at it

You'll be here all day

[undone tartan]

I’m not gonna take a run all the way to Elysium for that

But yeah I’m very sick of speeder archers

Especially with slugger

Because I don’t love being combo’d for 120 from across the room

[pseudo kernel]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

the fox says 9

[undone tartan]

In hades fight?

That’s really dumb

[pseudo kernel]

hades fight changes the amount of arrows they shoot?

[undone tartan]

Yeah that’s superelite

[pseudo kernel]

oh

[undone tartan]

In Elysium I don’t think superelite exists

[pseudo kernel]

didnt even know those existed

[undone tartan]

It’s just hades fight and Erebus gates

I think

Idk

[left prism]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/945774054651097148/2022022217071501-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4
5 seconds before dying

why isnt it loading

[pseudo kernel]

lmao

i just clicked the link

[hoary pasture]

nice 30

[left prism]

still funny that it wasnt the spin that killed me but my contrller drifting and tanking 2 laser hits

[cursive portal]

Please don't

shackle is just way better, or even RI2 AP1 and try to get an actual build

[hoary pasture]

do this but start lightning strike and take DC2 while you're at it

[cursive portal]

Hey retrash's run was tidal dash start

Dont gaslight

[undone tartan]

But the only hard part of Tartarus is enemies that I’m one-shotting anyway (stuff like cloner/savior numbskulls or witch projectile storms), so I really don’t feel like shackle does much. Time’s definitely not an issue either

[wraith imp]

Question: Does ares' battle rage apply to rama's dash attack?

Battle Rage caption says "After slaying a foe, your next Attack or Special deals more damage." (There's no mention of dash attack.)

[left prism]

It does

[wraith imp]

thanks for the reply.

[undone tartan]

“Attack” also applies to dash strike for everything except hammers (some hammers, not all of the time, it’s weird)

[flat flicker]

battle rage rama kinda a based idea

[gaunt fiber]

you prolly won't get the value

[jaunty falcon]

200% > 60%

[eternal hare]

🤔

[flat flicker]

wait is the purge vowels meme still going on or are we done

[left prism]

With my 40 zag shield i have learned that getting free rooms is kinda nice lmao

Ended at bit below 13 mins when old run was still at phase 2 with 15 mins

[bronze rapids]

didn't you starat it?

[flat flicker]

yeah. Others should be trendy and cool

[quartz mantle]

Battle rage in theory works on Rama but in practice has some funky interactions with shared suffering

I believe if an enemy dies to shared suffering you don’t actually get the battle rage buff

Plus there’s the whole problem where if you’re tagging every enemy with special you’re gonna waste that bonus damage on your 15 base damage special

[undone tartan]

Yeah battle rage is pretty bad on Rama in my opinion

[quartz mantle]

With DC0 it’s not a bad coping boon from Ares cause like nothing else from him is good outside of special and doom buffs

But it’s usefulness ends there

[undone tartan]

Yeah true

But his special is so good that you’re often gonna want to roll if you don’t already have one

[hoary pasture]

I love Doom Special

Stonks pom scaling too

[undone tartan]

Yeah it’s real good

[flat flicker]

It’s great if it’s purple and you purge it and buy something that doesn’t suck

[undone tartan]

Battle rage or curse of pain?

[flat flicker]

Yes

[undone tartan]

CoP on Rama is very good

Probably my #1 or 2 pick

If I have something like flood shot for AOE then it’s #1

[mossy zinc]

Curse of Pain with some poms on it, most things die before you get to use your Attack.

[flat flicker]

I really gotta give ares another chance

[jaunty falcon]

You can get 2000+ damage doom stacks with a jacked build

[quartz mantle]

Doom is just good damage

[next acorn]

damage is just good

[hardy garden]

doom good

[pearl scaffold]

anyone got a aphro build

[undone tartan]

Most builds are aphro builds

[bronze rapids]

Put her on the attack method that has the biggest number

Profit

[mossy zinc]

Fear not, the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite is here.

What aspect do you want to use?

[pearl scaffold]

i dont mind the aspect as long as its not a cast build i really just want to level up my keepsake

[undone tartan]

Since you’re leveling your keepsake I assume that means you don’t have Rama

[raw cloud]

chiron aphro good

[undone tartan]

Not really

Artemis is significantly better

[mossy zinc]

Well, what aspects do you have?

[mossy zinc]

No.

[undone tartan]

Literally mathematically yes

[mossy zinc]

No.

[undone tartan]

Ok show your work

[mossy zinc]

lol wut.

[pearl scaffold]

i have a lot of titan blood so i can get any aspect i want

[mossy zinc]

What Heat are you playing on if you're just leveling your keepsake?

[pearl scaffold]

7

[mossy zinc]

We should move to #h1-builds-and-combat then.

[pearl scaffold]

k

[undone tartan]

You’re saying that Aphrodite special is not worse than Artemis special for Chiron, right? That is something that can be objectively proven true or false

I was under the impression that Arty was better, but I’d be interested to see if I’m wrong

I totally could be

Alright I’m actually curious now so I’m gonna make a spreadsheet lol

Wait actually I underestimated how complicated it would be

[mossy zinc]

Bruh.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kRqJP2m-6w3WsZVQiCsQtgwbeUmV2lghJVJAfQV_nU4/edit?usp=sharing

[undone tartan]

Oh

[scenic wave]

critical hit rng is kinda complicated ngl

[undone tartan]

Right

[scenic wave]

also aphrodites special applies weak

which is good for Privileged Status

[undone tartan]

Eww

Why PStat

[scenic wave]

40% extra damage???

[undone tartan]

Not worth it most of the time

[scenic wave]

getting 2 curses on an enemy isn't that hard

literally just need a dash boon and an attack or special boon

[undone tartan]

Hard? No. Worth sacrificing a core slot to a mediocre effect for the extra 15%? Also no.

Some builds want PStat

Most do not

[bronze rapids]

go try 40 heat with L1 Chiron and report back

[scenic wave]

pretty much every core boon applies a curse anyway, even if some of them do need a support boon

and its usually worth it anyway to get the support boon

[undone tartan]

I don’t see how that’s relevant

[mossy zinc]

No, Privileged Status is rarely worth it tbh.

[next acorn]

How do you read this

[timber pike]

bruh...there's a DOC just for this????

[bronze rapids]

just do it

[undone tartan]

I only ever use PStat when my entire build that I’m planning will revolve around two status curses. Such as low tolerance or snow burst passion flare Beo

[undone tartan]

No thanks

[next acorn]

pstat god for drunken flourish

[scenic wave]

you don't need to build around Pstat to use it

[undone tartan]

It’s Hades. Ofc there is

[undone tartan]

You do for it to be better than FF

[flat flicker]

Be nice pancake

Purge vowels

[timber pike]

so aphro is the bettter flourish then?

since u wouldnt normally be levelling it up that hiigh

[mossy zinc]

You're about two years late for that debate tbh.

[flat flicker]

And yes people are insanely detailed and did way more math than I care to do

[timber pike]

math ewwwww

[next acorn]

Vowels cringe

[mossy zinc]

I made that sometime in Early Access, yeah.

[scenic wave]

im gonna trust you on this one, but personally i still think Pstat is better

[flat flicker]

It’s subjective. I like family favorite because I’m lazy, but there’s absolutely places where p stat is the move

[next acorn]

Most meta builds don’t use two curses

[flat flicker]

They also use vowels

unbased

[next acorn]

So the 15% isn’t worth

[mossy zinc]

That said, I almost always take Privileged Status for start now. It gives me more versatility for my builds.

[bronze rapids]

so all builds are based in chinese

[mossy zinc]

Like, picking up Chill or Hangover along the way is gonna be a lot stronger with Privileged Status than without. While the difference for a crit build isn't gonna be that big anyway. Other factors are a lot more important.

[flat flicker]

yup

well maybe

[scenic wave]

true true

[pseudo kernel]

Hey vowels are cool

[flat flicker]

I’m not sure how to apply my criteria to a language I don’t know

[bronze rapids]

Priv Stats is like, you sacrifice some consistency for the payoff of getting the full buff out of Tart or Asphodel

[mossy zinc]

Levels from left to right. Bonus damage from other sources from top to bottom. Different sheets have the min/max at different rarities.

[next acorn]

Reject vowels

[flat flicker]

rejected

[bronze rapids]

embrace non letters using languages

[flat flicker]

nynymwmw and dmnkng

[mossy zinc]

Y and w are semivowels.

[undone tartan]

W?

[undone tartan]

Does this change at all if you have relentless or concentrated volley?

[ripe ermine]

So basically Aphro wins most of the time, unless you have significant bonus damage from other sources (like 50%?) then Artemis wins?

[next acorn]

so it looks like arty is better with bonus damage sources and aphro is better alone

[undone tartan]

But I feel like you’re usually gonna be able to get at least one chaos special boon, no?

At least with AP0

[bronze rapids]

nnmm

[next acorn]

also stuff like PP and mark

[mossy zinc]

Nope. Relentless and Concentrated make no difference. Deadly Flourish benefits more from any additional +% damage. So the only hammer that helps Deadly Flourish more is Piercing Volley, and only on armored enemies.

[undone tartan]

Makes sense

[mossy zinc]

And Deadly Flourish benefits from Heart Rend, naturally.

[next acorn]

and aphro scales better with rarity

[undone tartan]

So I stand by my original opinion that deadly is better (but have learned that heartbreak may be better for RI2 AP2 when you can’t rely on Chaos)

[next acorn]

so its just can you get extra stuff to support your special or not

[mossy zinc]

Better by what metric?

[next acorn]

so do you have AP or RI on

[mossy zinc]

It seems to me you're only looking at DPS.

[undone tartan]

Weak is very good but so is HMark, especially when you’ll be critting this often

And the possibility of Heart Rend

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but then you also gotta factor in the potential for Smair etc.

[hardy garden]

smair my beloved

[timber pike]

whats a semivowel?

https://tenor.com/view/scott-the-woz-nintendo-gex-no-god-no-borderline-forever-gif-21967032

[timber pike]

replace the vowels with Xs

and underscores

[raw cloud]

so if i’m doing 32 eris what keepsake do i want to start with

[flat flicker]

no way

[flat flicker]

zeus attack

[bronze rapids]

Zeus

[raw cloud]

thats what i thought

[flat flicker]

and then prioritize splash dash

[warm dagger]

Zeus all day everyday.

[raw cloud]

alr
and ill probably look for aphro for smair and good special

[bronze rapids]

take attack, take Stat Discharge. Ideal specials are Aphrodite -> Smouldering Air, and Artemis -> hunter's Mark and Lightning Rod

Dionysus attack start is also quite good since you can pom it a lot

[raw cloud]

thank you sm

splash or divine dash

[bronze rapids]

splash for damage, divine for safety

[warm dagger]

Divine Dash better for 32 imo. But yeah if you can get off Sea Storm go for ir.

[left prism]

sea storm is not necessary

tidal dash strong enough

(+ you would need to take cast-special or call for that)

[raw cloud]

32 scary so ill prob pick divine dash if i see it (since it also lets me get athena dd)

[flat flicker]

worth noting dash wont make sea storm happen

[warm dagger]

You running DD or SD?

[warm dagger]

I know... That's the only way that I will Splash Dash though.

[raw cloud]

sd
well the game made me get splash dash so damage it is

[flat flicker]

splash dash on its own with a pom or two

does a LOT

dont discount it

its mega based

[left prism]

also allows to pair with breaking wave to bully styx

[raw cloud]

what keepsake should i take for asphodel (so far i have zeus attack, aphro special, splash dash, jolted, and hyper sprint)

[mossy zinc]

[raw cloud]

wait actually i have uc on this
might be a problem

im just gonna purge hermes bc i dont want to waste a roll

[mossy zinc]

Bruh.

[pure lily]

[raw cloud]

it was between him attack or jolted

[warm dagger]

If you are going for Smoldering Air then I would take Aphro keepsake

[raw cloud]

also when dad comes around should i equip tooth for the extra dd because i have sd rn

[warm dagger]

Do you have Acorn?

[raw cloud]

yes

i usually do yse acorn

[warm dagger]

Take Acorn for Dad... I also take Acorn for Heros

[mossy zinc]

Acorn for regions 3 and 4, yes.

[warm dagger]

Is "regions" more correct or is this a spoiler channel?

[ripe ermine]

This is not a spoiler channel we’re all the endgame tryhards here

[warm dagger]

That's what I thought

[raw cloud]

ugh damn it asterius

[warm dagger]

Did you take any FO for this 32?

[raw cloud]

yes

[warm dagger]

Yeah Asterius is REALLY quick with FO.

[raw cloud]

y e ah

and i was already low

my pact is HL2, LC4, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, DC2 (eris), TD3

[warm dagger]

I take FO2 before I take any HL.

[raw cloud]

ill do one more eris run and then see how hestia or beo fares

[warm dagger]

Eris by far the easier of those three choices.

[left prism]

beo is as easy as eris if you know what you are doing imo

[warm dagger]

Demeter with ME is good for 32 as well.

[left prism]

big shield kinda safe

[warm dagger]

Shameless plug.

[raw cloud]

im okay with beo

[mossy zinc]

All three of those aspects are pretty braindead.

[raw cloud]

oh damn it

just walked into lava forgetting i used my stubborn defiance

beo time lol

[mossy zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378698566924763148/848044745493446656/postthisifnyatypes.gif

[raw cloud]

my god i am slow with beo

[flat flicker]

my computer decided no more hades for me for now

why do people say pcs are good

[next acorn]

switch gang supremecy

[bronze rapids]

how did you get the base row for Deadly Flourish?

and the 0 row for that matter

[mossy zinc]

Pretty sure I just did a run with Deadly Flourish and pommed it to get the numbers. And the 0 row is with crit chance factored in.

[pure lily]

Should I attempt a 50 heat or a randomize 32 heat

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[pure lily]

[bronze rapids]

thanks turns out I was staring at the wiki numbers for Deadly Strike so it didn't add up

[bronze rapids]

randomized 50

[pure lily]

cursed run

Imma do random 32 heat and random mirror

[bronze rapids]

here:

| | **50** | |:---------------------|---------:| | Hard Labor | 5 | | Lasting Consequences | 2 | | Convenience Fee | 1 | | Jury Summons | 3 | | Extreme Measures | 3 | | Calisthenics Program | 2 | | Benefits Package | 2 | | Middle Management | 1 | | Underworld Customs | 1 | | Forced Overtime | 2 | | Heightened Security | 1 | | Routine Inspection | 1 | | Damage Control | 2 | | Approval Process | 2 | | Tight Deadline | 3 |

[undone tartan]

Not bad

[bronze rapids]

feel free to take hell mode and knock a point off something

[mossy zinc]

HL2 LC4 CF2 JS1 EM4 CP2 BP2 MM UC FO1 HS RI1 DC2 AP2 TD3 PL

[undone tartan]

I feel like randomized 50 is gonna be close to a normal 50 most of the time. But sometimes you’ll get RI4 and you’ll just die.

[mossy zinc]

HL2 FO1

[bronze rapids]

CP2

[next acorn]

RI4

[next acorn]

Did you not factor in crit chance for all of them?

Or am I dumb

[mossy zinc]

I'll let you guess.

[pure lily]

random mirror was a bad idea

[next acorn]

I’ll take it I’m dumb then

[bronze rapids]

yeah the crit chance is factored into the second row and beyond
let's take a base damage of 100. Then L1 common Deadly Flourish would deal:
100 + (40% * 100) = 140 damage
If it crits, then it'll deal
(100 + 40% * 100) * 300% = 420 damage
since the base crit chance is 20%, the average damage is
20% * 420 + 80% * 140 = 196
hence a 96% increase

[bronze rapids]

start with random 24, that's around when things can get cursed but it's mostly doable (for me at least)

[pure lily]

I died a while

ago

I'm back on trying to 40 heat fists now lol. ADD moment

[bronze rapids]

personally if the heat rando gives me more than LC2 I just use stubborn defiance no matter what

[pure lily]

I can't get out of tart 🥲

[bronze rapids]

What's your highest heat without rando

[pure lily]

I'm not doing rando, I'm doing 40 with fists now

but to answer your quesiton, 45

[bronze rapids]

Yeah its just to gauge how high you can set a random heat to be manageable

If you're doing 45 then random 24 should be mostly fine

[mossy zinc]

I'd def take DDs for LC2.

[pure lily]

dang it

I was doing zeus fists

Got splitting bolt

epic call, was doing mad damage, but just took too much to heroes

game hard

[cursive portal]

Fists moment

[pure lily]

sadge

[pure lily]

welp

Died to dad because with 10% health

Patty ran out due to 3 sack

[ashen garnet]

Heroes and Dad are rough yeah

[quartz mantle]

Hello yes I am late and here to add something to this discussion
Anyways for Chiron you typically go Aphro start to pick up her attack, then get Artemis for her special, this lets you get Heart Rend which is like really strong

Aphro special is ok I guess but like why

It has no real good scaling options and Artemis special has both Heart Rend and Chaos special boons to scale really well from

With how many arrows Chiron has the crit is rather consistent

Arty special gives you a 20% chance to crit on each arrow, you get 8 arrows, 12 with relentless which you definitely want

Aphrodite boons in general have really good base damage but don’t scale super well in the back half of the run leaving them to be more support boons

Which is why you start with Aphro attack to make Tartarus easier and then switch to your good scaling option of getting Artemis special

Aphrodite special could probably net you a dub but why settle for McDonald’s when Five Guys is right there

[flat flicker]

chad demeter special

[quartz mantle]

Even Demeter special has PS and Arctic Blast as scaling options

I guess Demeter special is like the Wendy’s of this example

[undone tartan]

Why start with an attack boon on a special-centered aspect?

Wouldn’t you just take Aphrodite into Asphodel instead?

[quartz mantle]

Because Chiron special in Tartarus sucks lmao

Fiery presence Aphro attack you oneshot most things with a power shot

[undone tartan]

Oh alright fair enough

[quartz mantle]

You don’t really care too much about Poms since Pom scaling on Artemis boons is lmao

And you don’t really need a special boon for anything besides furies maybe

And the occasional bruiser thug

[undone tartan]

Yeah that all actually makes perfect sense

[cursive portal]

Why not start splash dash

[pure lily]

Dad was going well but only one SD with no patty and I lost 2 acorn hits to an angry chariot :/

Why not start with shackles

[undone tartan]

For Chiron??

[ashen garnet]

Armored chariots multihits are the worst

[undone tartan]

Yeah those are rough

Especially with slugger

[pure lily]

They're so fast on FO

[undone tartan]

Especially with speeder

Did you know speeder enemies with FO2 move at 210% of their normal speed?

[pure lily]

Awful

[gaunt fiber]

Shackle Chiron is super comfy

[undone tartan]

Not as comfy as heart rend Chiron

[pure lily]

I'm really struggling to get out of tart with fists

Had epic ares attack and impending doom and divine dash in tart and still died to boss 🥲

[gaunt fiber]

Impending is bad without ME

You'd rather have dire misfortune

Idk if you're APing or not though

[pure lily]

don't you want both?

[quartz mantle]

Dire helps before getting ME impending helps after getting ME

Neither is particularly great in the wrong context

Dire does nothing with ME and impending can cause time loss without it

[pure lily]

Also, if you take a duo, are you less likely to get another offered. I made the mistake of paring up duos and now have like 3 in my pool I could get

Got it, so it's worth taking it in case you don't get ME

[quartz mantle]

If the only duo you can be offered is ME any time a duo is rolled it’s 100% going to be ME

But if you open up Lightning phalanx, any duo you roll from Athena has a 50/50 chance of being either Lightning Phalanx or ME

same thing goes for their legendaries as well

[pure lily]

yeah

what if you take one thoug

does that lower the chance of another being offered or no

Sorry another question can you recover health from Quick Recovery with LC4 on?

[empty reef]

yes

i had the same question a few days ago ^^ someone told me it works

[left prism]

no

[undone tartan]

I think so

[left prism]

sometimes a duo cant be paired with another tho (mostly the cast ones)

[cursive portal]

quick recovery does work

had a run with it just now

[pure lily]

Ah

ty

well, made it through heroes but no patty

Well that was a learning experience. Lost to dad because his laser hit a pot and dealt 150 damage

maybe I should turn drap damage off for JS1

🇫

[undone tartan]

What heat

[pure lily]

40

[undone tartan]

What weapon

[pure lily]

demeter

[undone tartan]

Wait you’re using JS0 at 40?

[pure lily]

Yeah

I like taking JS0 and CP 0

[undone tartan]

Oh no

Definitely have CP0 at 40

[pure lily]

I do

[undone tartan]

Oh ok

And I assume you have CF2 and DC2?

[pure lily]

yes

[undone tartan]

I much prefer JS1 CF1 at 40

[left prism]

dc2 on ME fists sounds annoying for me

[hoary pasture]

CF2 on ME fists is annoying

[pure lily]

fists attack so fast it doesn't really feel like a problem

I still one shot no armor enemies with special charged

[undone tartan]

Yeah CF2 on ME is a bad idea generally

I didn’t realize it was ME

I might even go CF0

[pure lily]

I'm switching between ME and Zeus

Can't really tell what I like better

[undone tartan]

Well for Zeus I’d do CF1, for ME I’d do CF0

[pure lily]

put JS 1 and where else

[undone tartan]

Yeah JS1

Or 2

Are you struggling with time at all?

[pure lily]

honestly I don't think I could handle 2

I'm cutting it very close with dad fight

[undone tartan]

Having a build earlier makes you way faster

[pure lily]

I would have won these last two attemps hoesntly had I had patty. I got not patty and no athena. Just couldn't clutch the next to no hit fight

[hoary pasture]

Are you doing FO2

[pure lily]

FO1, I was getting destroyed on FO2

[undone tartan]

Ohh

Yeah you should just do FO2

[pure lily]

combat too close for my liking

[undone tartan]

Its intimidating but worth it

[pure lily]

FO2 was pain

I like, can't react fast enough being point blank to dodge

[hardy garden]

use the power of second wind zag fists

[undone tartan]

don’t do that

[hardy garden]

dew it

[pure lily]

[hoary pasture]

Well yea it's worth a lot of heat, if you have FO1 you'll have to put more heat into other stuff

[undone tartan]

Do that if you want to time out even harder

[hoary pasture]

CF ruins your build / JS CP make you slower

[undone tartan]

FO2 makes 40 a good deal easier tbh

[hoary pasture]

HS is free until it's not

[pure lily]

CF honestly hasn't ruined my builds, I just really suck at dodging attacks

I had a zeus build with splitting bolt and still died

[undone tartan]

You don’t know how much it’s hurting you until you take it off

[hoary pasture]

It doesn't straight up ruin them but you just have way less stuff

[undone tartan]

I promise

[hardy garden]

cf bad

[undone tartan]

It’s so much harder to get a good ME build, especially poms, with CF2

[pure lily]

I can take it off, but it doesn't help me not get hit by FO2 enemies

[hoary pasture]

Is this your first 40?

[undone tartan]

And this is coming from someone who nearly always uses CF2 at 41+ heat

[pure lily]

I've done 45 on beo, and 40 on bow and rail

[undone tartan]

Its highly detrimental to ME in particular

[hardy garden]

smair gud. smair best

[pure lily]

So drop CF for ME, what about zeus fists

[hoary pasture]

Maybe you should keep at it and practice since you've played with it before

[hardy garden]

also drop

cf bad

[quartz mantle]

CF BAD

My work here is done

[pure lily]

[cursive portal]

@quartz mantle how would you feel about a cf0 60 heat

I think I can do it with zag shield lol

[hoary pasture]

make it happen

[pure lily]

I'm a CF2 addict

[hoary pasture]

buy the sandwich for the flex

[pure lily]

So if i'm dropping CF2, I have to take FO2 essentially

[left prism]

i think i did cf2 for my 40 rama, but i def didnt like it lol

40 zag shield was cf1 hs

[hoary pasture]

Rama also less demanding tbf

If you a real gamer you can do AP2

trust

[hardy garden]

[hoary pasture]

I guarantee you

you wont see ME

[left prism]

that still causes emotional dmg

[hoary pasture]

at all

[quiet mountain]

look at it as fo2 reward u w more moneys

[hardy garden]

gets repulse sniper

[quartz mantle]

I would literally piss my pants

[hardy garden]

fo2 gud

[pure lily]

And a much greater chance to die at every boss 🥲

[quiet mountain]

nonsense you have stacks o cash

[left prism]

cant practice fo2 if you dont use it

[pure lily]

I'm fine with it on beo and rama

I honestly just want a 40 fists clear and that'll prolly be my limit

Not a fan of that weapon

[hardy garden]

just get all the damage reduction aka second wind zag fists

[pure lily]

ok

done

here i go

[quiet mountain]

td0 dodge build incoming

[pure lily]

Done, new pr

[undone tartan]

How does it do that

[quiet mountain]

cf0

[pure lily]

Is bad

[safe plinth]

Whats everyone’s favorite aspect and build for high heat?

[mossy zinc]

[pure lily]

Zag sword

[waxen relic]

[left prism]

rama or zag shield both aphro start

[hoary pasture]

real gamer afterall

[undone tartan]

Beowulf with passion flare
Rama with twin shot and heartbreak strike
Hestia with heartbreak strike
Zeus with Thunder flourish and static discharge

[hardy garden]

zeus plus zeus and a little zeus is pretty stonks

[pure lily]

damn

deja vu

killed by pot by laser

🥲

0/3 on dad

[mossy zinc]

That's better than 3/0 because that would break the universe.

So there's that.

[hoary pasture]

[mossy zinc]

Gotta find good luck in misfortune.

[undone tartan]

Yeah that’s HS

[bronze rapids]

can attest that luck is required to find dire misfortune

[undone tartan]

can attest that any run I have with dire misfortune is one where I was not favored by luck

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/908168128750567456.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

couldnt find it on spear or fists lol

[pure lily]

That was a zeus run

Might have to take HS off and put on CF2

[hardy garden]

cf2 bad

do js

[left prism]

do ap1

[hardy garden]

you can do js1 cf1 and skip hs cant you

ap2 is free

[pure lily]

I had js1 on

Ap2 ez

[left prism]

Where is the mod that makes ap1-2 not show the boons you miss

[pure lily]

That's half the punishment

Is knowing what you could of had

[hardy garden]

when ME and HB get crossed out like 5 times and you get stubborn roots instead

[pseudo kernel]

I watched Amir and Greg stream their development of the game this one time. They have a spreadsheet of every time that happens. In that stream, they broke into a maniacal laughter as they watch a player die after not being able to get their Duos and Legendary. They said they keep a spreadsheet of every crossed out Duos and Legendary, make sure it is up to date and check it every day. They have it pinned as a memo in the middle of the office with info to keep morale up.

[next acorn]

I 👩🏻 watched 👀 Amir and Greg stream their 🍷 development 👩💻 of the game 🎲 this one 1️⃣ time. ⏰ They 👀 had 2️⃣ a spreadsheet of every 💯🤬 time 🕒 AP crosses out 💯 something 😅 valuable. In ✨ that 😔 stream, they 💁 broke 💔 into 🚟👏 a maniacal laughter 😂 as they 👦👩‍👩‍👦‍👦🔁 watched 🔍🧐 a player 👨🎮 die 😳😳😳 after 🖐️ not ⛔ being 😑 able 💪💪 to get 💪👽 their 😗 Merciful End 🏁 and Hunting Blade. They 👀 said 💬👱🏿💖 they 💁💁💁 keep 🌵 a spreadsheet of every 👏👖 crossed ⚔️ out ✊ Duos and Legendaries, made 👉 sure 🙅 it was up ☝️ to date. 😙 They 👨‍🦳❤️ also ➕ had 👁️👁️ the spreadsheet pinned as a memo 📝 in 🕺 the middle 🤬 of the office 👩‍💼📃👨‍💼🏣📁 with to keep 🌵 morale up. ✨I 👩🏻 watched 👀 Amir and Greg stream their 🍷 development 👩💻 of the game 🎲 this one 1️⃣ time. ⏰ They 👀 had 2️⃣ a spreadsheet of every 💯🤬 time 🕒 AP crosses out 💯 something 😅 valuable. In ✨ that 😔 stream, they 💁 broke 💔 into 🚟👏 a maniacal laughter 😂 as they 👦👩‍👩‍👦‍👦🔁 watched 🔍🧐 a player 👨🎮 die 😳😳😳 after 🖐️ not ⛔ being 😑 able 💪💪 to get 💪👽 their 😗 Merciful End 🏁 and Hunting Blade. They 👀 said 💬👱🏿💖 they 💁💁💁 keep 🌵 a spreadsheet of every 👏👖 crossed ⚔️ out ✊ Duos and Legendaries, made 👉 sure 🙅 it was up ☝️ to date. 😙 They 👨‍🦳❤️ also ➕ had 👁️👁️ the spreadsheet pinned as a memo 📝 in 🕺 the middle 🤬 of the office 👩‍💼📃👨‍💼🏣📁 with to keep 🌵 morale up. ✨

[hardy garden]

wat

[raw cloud]

why am i still in this server?

[flat flicker]

cause you still like the game

also give nectar

[bronze rapids]

why is it repeated

[pseudo kernel]

Japanese

[timber pike]

I knew I messed up

nvm forget it

[undone tartan]

[timber pike]

sorryyyyyy

i just remember seeing their name as melon so

[mossy zinc]

Never forget.

[timber pike]

but theyre billingual so that makes sense

[bronze rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-wwe-alexa-bliss-alexa-bliss-alexa-bliss-meme-alexa-bliss-reaction-gif-17527545

[timber pike]

stop im so dumb

[bronze rapids]

j a p a n e s e

[timber pike]

I was about to ask if that was even the right language

[mossy zinc]

What's wrong with left languages?

[timber pike]

yeah i'm not too familiar with other languages so I probably shouldn't have pretended i knew...

[dapper schooner]

isn't it fine though

dashstrike breaks the first one and dash breaks the second, so doom proc hits the actual enemy

[mossy zinc]

Man, Stygius sucks.

[next acorn]

[mossy zinc]

What a garbage weapon.

[raw cloud]

cant believe youd slander nemesis sword

[left prism]

I can believe it

[mossy zinc]

Nemesis sword is slandering Lady Nemesis's name.

[raw cloud]

wow

stygius as a whole sucks

but like
nemesis <3

[mossy zinc]

Playing Nemesis should just count as +10 Heat by itself.

[undone tartan]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[mossy zinc]

[bronze rapids]

that means my heat pb is on sword

[mossy zinc]

Yep.

[quartz mantle]

Sounds like a

s-s-s-skill issue!

[mossy zinc]

No, it doesn't.

[undone tartan]

Kinda does actually, tbh

[mossy zinc]

[undone tartan]

It’s a skill issue that I also possess

But still a skill issue

[mossy zinc]

No.

It's just a bad weapon.

[undone tartan]

I mean I’m not saying it’s better than the top 3

But it’s probably 4th

At least heat-wise

If you can learn to use it

[mossy zinc]

Bruh.

[undone tartan]

Which is apparently very hard

According to ange1

But hey, feel free to blame the weapon

It just seems kinda funny coming from you

Since you’re usually the first person to call someone out for doing that

[quartz mantle]

You know it sounds like you're choosing the strategy of losing

you should stop doing that

try winning instead

[undone tartan]

[mossy zinc]

I didn't say I was losing, I said the weapon was garbage.

[devout quiver]

I thought nem was the best sword.
...or is this just a "all the swords kinda suck" thing

[bronze rapids]

Melee is just more risky

And then shields can block…until they can’t

[left prism]

Something something block reliable

At least they still have bullrush too

[mossy zinc]

All the swords suck.

At high heat, anyway.

[undone tartan]

But do they suck more than spears and fists? I think probably not, they’re just much harder to play

[mossy zinc]

Achilles is still somewhat okay for awhile thanks to Cast builds. The others are all bad, yeah.

Sword, spear, twin fists.

[undone tartan]

Achilles is okay for heat?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, with Crystal Clarity or Hunting Blades, pretty much.

Until those builds don't really work anymore because you can't really get them, then it's just as bad.

[undone tartan]

But the heat wr for Achilles seems to be 53 when it’s 55 for Hades and Guan Yu

And there are actually a good deal of 55 heat Hades runs

Oh

You just said that

Nvm

[next acorn]

I clicked on this

https://image.prntscr.com/image/rvrnN4ZjTZ_UoBHIyasmVw.png

and saw this

oceans bounty used to be good?

with the health

[undone tartan]

Apparently so

[next acorn]

that sounds blessed

[hardy garden]

so like it buffs cthonic vitality

and fountains

[raw cloud]

bring back good oceans bounty 2022

[next acorn]

@ supergiant

[raw cloud]

can’t believe amir removed good oceans bounty

[bronze rapids]

Noooo why nerf my husband's boons

[gaunt fiber]

I wonder if it was prior to Dem update. Like "wait we're going to make a bad boon, it will be a third of ocean's bounty and you can't sell it"
"Ok I'll just kill ocean's bounty rq"

[raw cloud]

that would make sense

[dapper schooner]

can you sell oceans bounty

[bronze rapids]

Yes

[dapper schooner]

so the solution is simply to remove nourished soul from the game

nobody would miss it

[raw cloud]

yes

[shy gulch]

unironically I kinda like it in speedruns sometimes :bouldy:

[raw cloud]

eh fair enough

[bronze rapids]

It's a nice copium for low LC when rando forces me to take it

[undone tartan]

Please

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it's comfy with HC and chaos stuff

[dapper schooner]

4 hp per chamber instead of 3

its nice that its not pommable but so are like half of her boons

[next acorn]

make nourished soul purgeable problem 90% solved

[mossy zinc]

Yep. Not gonna happen anyway.

[safe plinth]

@pure lily give me the high heat Beowulf build.

(Please)

Im actually doing really well with it at 20 heat. But pretty sure I’m missing something.

[undone tartan]

I’ll give you one

Passion Flare

If you see Poseidon or Artemis in Tartarus or Asphodel, force the other in the next region and shoot for mirage shot

If you see Demeter, look for Snow Burst

[safe plinth]

I’ve been rolling towards trippy shot with dio.

[undone tartan]

I’d highly suggest against that

It’s very inconsistent

Requires a lot of chaos RNG

[left prism]

for beo 32 you can do your standard any heat build (flood flare into artemis core and mirage) or more comfy is just passion flare + snow burst like pancake said

[undone tartan]

Especially with RI and AP, you’re not gonna get any kind of build going with trippy flare

And yeah, a speedrun build also works, starting with flood flare

But when you go higher, you’re gonna want passion for breakpoints I think

[left prism]

that and mirage being harder to get

also who doesnt like weak, is nice

[hardy garden]

hes probably doing 32-40 so just go flood flare

[next acorn]

^

with no AP and RI flood better

but with those on go pash bc getting mirrage with one of those on sucks

but at 32 you dont need it

[undone tartan]

Or run AP2 RI2 32 heat

[pure lily]

I can in like 15 min, tho there are people here who are much better than me lol

[pure lily]

I tagged you in #h1-victory-boasting and linked it to my highest run so you can snoo pact and mirror. One thing I would have changed is Priviledge Status, that was a mistake not running that

[hardy garden]

cf2

[next acorn]

I’m all for CF2 slander but it’s optimal at 45

[undone tartan]

I agree

[quartz mantle]

🔫

[pseudo kernel]

🔫

[hardy garden]

🔫

[next acorn]

It’s a reluctant take

[pure lily]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

Cf2 45

[pseudo kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/946490609512906762/unknown.png

this is the best 45 pact

and mirror

[hardy garden]

[pure lily]

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-the-matrix-panic-neo-angry-gif-5216157

[hardy garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/905951326045888512/unknown.png

wait what am i looking at

[quartz mantle]

A goated pact

[pseudo kernel]

yeah thats a good pact

[next acorn]

Thunder dash sword

[hardy garden]

just pretend the ri aint there

[next acorn]

CF0 is a chad pact but not optimal

Oh my

w h y

[hardy garden]

idk

[quartz mantle]

Man you could have just done hell mode RI0

you're on mods

[next acorn]

RI is just worse CF

[hardy garden]

sometimes my brain thinks ri1 > cf2

[next acorn]

[hardy garden]

well considering this victory screen it must be true

[mossy zinc]

No.

[pseudo kernel]

sword in general

[hardy garden]

cf2 bad just add a point of js and do cf1

[next acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/944341541797912586/576.png

Optimal

[mossy zinc]

I'd do CF0 JS2 over any CF at 45 with Beowulf.

[hardy garden]

beo especially go brrr

[pseudo kernel]

oh wow sick run potato

[hardy garden]

totally not angel

[pseudo kernel]

i see you skipped 50 and did 58 mirrorless zag shield

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, and why do CF2 to yourself when you're already taking EM4.

I guess CF2 AP0 is also an option.

But why both.

[next acorn]

Yeah EM4 privilege can dodge CF

[next acorn]

Yeah it’s free 8 heat tbh

36 zag was so easy thought might as well make the jump

[undone tartan]

Aren’t you gonna have JS3 already right, you run EM4 at 45

[next acorn]

On Beo it’s nice

[dapper schooner]

just dont take RI

[pure lily]

Take cf2 instead

[hoary pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/946776050317267015/Hades_LhabGEFe9s.png

egg value gaming

this is critting for 1.8K lmao

Need heartrend for bigger value gaming

[quartz mantle]

Big

Large even

[shy gulch]

E G G

[next acorn]

Egg

[bronze rapids]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/925828483475730532/Screenshot_20211229-141143_YouTube.jpg

[pure lily]

Need to see a video of that in action

[undone tartan]

Is that a Skurry meme

[raw cloud]

whats the worst possible 32 pact?

[timber pike]

uhhhhhh

[pseudo kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/946947419109720114/unknown.png

maybe this idk

[timber pike]

how about RI4, AP2, HS, FO1, CP2, JS3, EM4.

I'm not sure if this is cursed enough

how cursed is this

[solemn pulsar]

you need TD3

or else you can just turtle with shield for a million years