What about Damage Control 2?
Is it worth?
#h1-high-heat-strategies
honest kernel
next acorn
DC is a lot worse than it sounds
quartz mantle
It depends
Like on a TD0 sure
You can do it
You’re not on a time limit just camp them out
A couple extra hits isn’t a big deal
And zag spear isn’t as bad with DC as something like Hestia or Arthur
hardy garden
why are we using zag spear
next acorn
quartz mantle
Hell yea undefined
honest kernel
Sorry first time using it
quartz mantle
It happens
bronze rapids
You can even do like JS0 CF1 HL3
hardy garden
wait why are we using zag spear
bronze rapids
Doesn't matter if they hit hard if there are fewer of them and can't reach you
Zag spear is alright, okay
dapper schooner
what even is the bonus on zag spear
bronze rapids
more special damage, range and speed
mossy zinc
It's not outdated for newer players doing their first 32 Heat. CF2 is great for that.
honest kernel
Maxed Lasting consequences and I cant restore hp what the heck is going on 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok i'm done for today
hoary pasture
Use SD to heal
honest kernel
Zu viel
quartz mantle
Yea you want to combo LC4 with Stubborn Defiance
honest kernel
Too much
quartz mantle
Stubborn defiance let’s you heal by using your extra life
hoary pasture
You're jumping from 16
quartz mantle
If you want to get used to the LC4 SD playstyle maybe try it at a lower heat
Turn off stuff like HL, JS, BP, UC
honest kernel
Been playing for 6 hours straight
quartz mantle
Yea breaks are good too maybe try one of those
honest kernel
mossy zinc
Just do 33 Heat instead. Easy.
hardy garden
that or dont do zag spear
mossy zinc
Zag Spear for a first 32 Heat?
Easiest would probably be to reset for Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher in Tartarus.
Without either of those, it's just gonna be a bad time.
I guess Tidal Dash start and just get carried by Tidal Dash works even with bad hammers.
next acorn
Spear without good hammers is just pretty
mossy zinc
Pretty Bouldy? That's a good thing.
cursive portal
mossy zinc
I think it's still fine with Tidal Dash. And then just get some debuff on your Attack that does the damage for you.
Hangover, Killing Freeze, Static Discharge...
hardy garden
just use beowulf 
hardy garden
load casts and they explode at the end of your bullrush
its a. mega safe and b. does a ton of damage in a good aoe
honest kernel
Will try
hardy garden
other good aspects for 32 heat are zeus shield, rama bow, and hestia and eris rail
hardy garden
gilgamesh is kinda bad
hardy garden
sub 20 td2
cursive portal
This is from 2 years ago
hardy garden
id swap js2 and cp1 for td3
cursive portal
Fron early access
mossy zinc
Excalibur is also amazing for clearing 32 Heat. Very safe. Can just get a ton of eHP and make a lot of mistakes and still win. Just so long as you don't take FO.
hardy garden
wait is that butterfly
cursive portal
More than 2 years even
honest kernel
This is from 2 years ago
It s not going to work now?
hardy garden
well that pact is a bit
mossy zinc
sub 20 td2 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
There was no TD3 lol.
hardy garden
oh
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/891223542669131776/c54de0cb-ecbb-4828-b1c7-03cd0d5d1452.png i realize my first zag spear 32 was td2
mossy zinc
Your first Zag Spear 32 Heat vs one of the very first Zag Spear 32s ever is also maybe not the fairest comparison.
Could even be the very first, I dunno.
I certainly wasn't doing any 32 Heat yet at the time.
mossy zinc
No, that's just what it looked like in normal mode.
hardy garden
imagine PL but it is in the normal pact and all hell mode does is make the pact unlocked right away
mossy zinc
It wasn't an option. They removed the icon from the bar later.
mossy zinc
imagine PL but it is in the normal pact and all hell mode does is make the pact ...
Hell Mode at the time didn't allow you to go down in Heat. Not sure if it was that you couldn't go below your highest cleared heat with the weapon or highest bounty you gained with it.
Dark Foresight, FO nerfs, BP2 nerfs... y'all are playing on easy mode.
bronze rapids
can't wait to get early access for the next SGGame to also be a gen1er
pure lily
They set the bar high with this game
mossy zinc
I think Early Access was a much bigger undertaking than they expected, so they're probably happy to do a "normal" one for the next one.
But only they would know that, I guess.
dapper schooner
May 23, 2020. https://i.imgur.com/rQUxGdJh.jpg
but where are the aphro cores 
bronze rapids
block is reliable
oblique crane
question for EM4, do people generally save meg for phase 3, or use her on phase 1 pt 3? does it depend on the adds?
hardy garden
if you have bad adds you probably want to use her to get p1 done quickly
if its like just 3 skull crushers. then you might have more trouble with p3 so you can save it for then
mossy zinc
Phase 1 part 2 or 3. Maybe phase 2 part 2 to push through that part.
quartz mantle
It depends on where you're struggling the most
certain phase 1 ads can be rough to deal with on specific aspects (Sneak or BBall on Rama come to mind) so if that's an issue for you it's probably best to close out phase 1 with a meg
If you're trying to zoom and you have the damage you can try to use meg in the second half of phase 2 to skip the cerberus summon
Otherwise you can always use it to break through the end of phase 3
grave glade
DR or CV for 32 heat beo
First 32 heat attempt I’ve been running cv since I had bounties but now I’m not sure
pseudo kernel
uh what do those stand for
hardy garden
whats dr and cv
cursive portal
hoary pasture
hardy garden
pseudo kernel
or you can run dark regen and olympian favor for a bunch of darkness
hardy garden
only time you run dr is when darkness farming
but when darkness farming you dont really care about the healing anyways
cursive portal
Bbbbbbased
mossy zinc
What if you're Darkness-farming at 62 Heat?
bronze rapids
it doesn't matter bc to reap the benefits you'll either have to run LC2 RI4 which disables DR/CV (or say LC1 CF1 to buy more darkness from Charon), or LC4 RI3 which shuts down the healing
mossy zinc
No, it matters.
bronze rapids
oblique crane
certain phase 1 ads can be rough to deal with on specific aspects (Sneak or BBal...
these are my two least favorite adds on any aspect so i usually use it in phase 1 part 3 when either of them show up, but a lot of the time i end up getting owned by phase 3 so i'd start second guessing myself
thanks for the answers everyone
jaunty falcon
https://imgur.com/a/Fru8Djh thanks demeter, really wanted that one!
verbal laurel
How do you get more of those reroll things?
I used one once and i thought it would give me another for every room i was in like stubborn defiance
left prism
Fated keys (work order) gives you +1 charge of the reroll you are using
The mirror skill is for starting charges
left prism
@verbal laurel you start each run with whatever is your current lvl of the skill
left prism
How many lvls you got in the skill?
verbal laurel
1
left prism
Persuasion right?
verbal laurel
The green one
I just transferred my save from xbox to egs, maybe it was an issue that cropped up with that
left prism
Is an easy check at least, if you are sure you start with 0 even without RI, then #h1-tech-support
shy plinth
It is possible that you leveled up fated authority and are now trying fated persuasion
mossy zinc
https://imgur.com/a/Fru8Djh thanks demeter, really wanted that one!
Thanks, Amir.
next acorn
👏 fix 👏 your 👏 game 👏
hardy garden
next acorn
At least make it puragble pls
mossy zinc
At least make it puragble pls
I asked for that so many times in #hades-feedback. 
mossy zinc
They didn't respond to specific feedback posts like that.
next acorn
Ah
mossy zinc
Sometimes Amir would ask us for details on something or respond with an explanation on discussions we were having, but that was very rare.
Or like for our BP2 complaints at high heat, he told us we can use the bug report feature when we get combos that are particularly troublesome so they can look into it.
next acorn
What were some of the really bad BP2 combos
mossy zinc
Well... for one, imagine enemies not having a cap for how fast they can get blue hearts from Saviors around them. 
next acorn
Oh no…
devout quiver
shy plinth
It sounds like it was kind of impossible before
honest kernel
What were some of the really bad BP2 combos
The BP bonus that gave armor didn't have a cap either
On some ennemies that was way too much armor
mossy zinc
It sounds like it was kind of impossible before
m very sure it was possible until Nighty Night.
shy plinth
I mean impossible to beat 😉
cursive portal
Well... for one, imagine enemies not having a cap for how fast they can get blue...
Sounds fun on hesty
flat flicker
Em4 was new in 1.0 right
mossy zinc
Right.
timber pike
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/942857325071450162/Had...
f in the chat
bronze rapids
block is reliable
hardy garden
cursive portal
Skill issue yeah
cursive portal
a
shell coyote
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/942857325071450162/Had...
the pain...
cursive portal
you can hear my scream even though my mic is across the room lol
shell coyote
hahahahahaha yeah
can't say that already happened to me, but I feel you
also, just for curiosity, what weapon you were using?
hoary pasture
Beowulf
hardy garden
imagine throwing with beo
hoary pasture
pure lily
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/942857325071450162/Had...
So what happened here? Your block just didnt go up fast enough?
left prism
Em4 laser attack also throws a wave at short intervals that stun
That + standing attacks being slow to start blocking yeah
pure lily
Ahh, the wave stun
next acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/942857325071450162/Had...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
👏 block 👏 is 👏 a 👏 reliable 👏 mechanic 👏
plain parcel
My Kingdom for a revenge boon.
pseudo kernel
@ amir fix your game
flat flicker
@ amir fix your game
no git gud
pseudo kernel
Oh my God it's amir
flat flicker
pseudo kernel
Your games suck dude
gaunt fiber
gaunt fiber
@ amir fix your game
Your prayers have been heard, there's a patch!
That does not fix any IG things though 
dapper schooner
That does not fix any IG things though <:bouldy:673973170792955936>
but it fixed vulcan steam overlay which was bugged for me
gaunt fiber
Have you seen new gy wr Astaos
Wat
hoary pasture
verbal laurel
I have no idea if this is the right place, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but - how do I get legendary boons and how do I get companions? I haven’t gotten either afaik.
& what is a heroic boon? Is it just another rarity?
hoary pasture
Legendary boons have certain requirements that you have to fulfill before they can be offered, you can check those in your Codex
Heroic is the rarity right after Epic, you can only get Heroic boons through swaps, Eury and Rare Crop
For companions they are given by some npcs after you improve you relationship with them and gift them Ambrosia
Thanatos Meg Achilles Dusa and Skelly
verbal laurel
How do you unlock bouldy lol do you have to strengthen your relashionship with syssyphus or whoever you spell it
quartz mantle
Yea you gotta give nectar to susyphus
mossy zinc
@verbal laurel if you're new to the game, #h1-for-new-players will be free of spoilers (mostly). This channel here is essentially the endgame channel. 
verbal laurel
I know most of the end game spoilers and whatnot, and I wasn’t sure if that (mostly the summons and bouldy) would count as a spoiler since in theory you could get it before hades but idk if its all that common
mossy zinc
Not a spoiler, no.
serene ocean
what was the high heat chaos build kinda forgot
jaunty falcon
Charged shot 😁
cursive portal
what was the high heat chaos build kinda forgot
charged shot+aprhodite attack or you can do thunder flourish+splash dash and try to get splitting bolt, its way harder though
cursive portal
Charged shot 😁
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Chaos Aspect sucks.
cursive portal
Angel what is this cat even from
neko atsume
its a mobile game
and it has a VR game too for some reason
bronze rapids
what was the high heat chaos build kinda forgot
Or Just Play ME (TM)
works till you take AP
cursive portal
Chaos ShMEild
solemn pulsar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/909262132074410014/u...
No, that’s chaos
bronze rapids
just in case anyone here is thinking of trying RI3 Beo - don't
timber pike
just in case anyone here is thinking of trying RI3 Beo - don't <:bouldy:52332911...
What talents does ri3 remove
jaunty falcon
Infernal soul
pseudo kernel
Casts, boiling blood, and extra dash
jaunty falcon
Casts, boiling blood, and extra dash
Casts, boiling blood, and extra dash
pseudo kernel
bronze rapids
everything except the first three
so shadow/fiery presence, Cththonic Vitality/Dark Regen, and DD/SD
timber pike
everything except the first three
so shadow/fiery presence, Cththonic Vitality/D...
Oh wow that’s bad
Mostly the dd/SD loss
timber pike
Ohhhhh
bronze rapids
Beo burts the most from losing the cast buff
since you now only have 1 cast that you have to pick up
hardy garden
moral of the story: ri bad
bronze rapids
the whole time is me going "can I please get an Attack boon"
AP1 didn't help
hardy garden
no boon. no health. no pom. no stonks
mossy zinc
Just win anyway. Easy.
bronze rapids
tru
skill issue
mossy zinc
It's just strategy. If you choose the strategy to win anyway, then you win anyway.
But you did another strategy instead.
proud stream
i just unlocked the hidden aspect of the spear and don't understand the benefit of it
flat flicker
i just unlocked the hidden aspect of the spear and don't understand the benefit ...
Get charged skewer
And try to not get hit
It needs to be leveled up
30 health is rough
And the spin is a trap unless you really know what you’re doing
proud stream
ah ok i won't use it until i get more titan blood then, dying 3 times to bone hydra was not in my plan
flat flicker
Cheers. You may want to check out builds and combat, we’re the sweaty tryhards that are trying to win in sub 10 min or on 32 plus heat
bronze rapids
It needs to be leveled up
Unless you're trying to meme the level 1, then don't
quartz mantle
And the spin is a trap unless you really know what you’re doing
The spin is good to use on spawning enemies waves exclusively
hardy garden
just get both quick and massive spin
flat flicker
The spin is good to use on spawning enemies waves exclusively
Incorrect. Giant brain dumbfire a few spins into em4 summoning doom stones for bonus health that if you’re resorting to that you’re likely screwed but
it worked one time
YEEEEEEHAW
And it worked cause he spawned three doom stones
ripe ermine
Doomstone health touch-up with Guan Yu is a big brain move
flat flicker
Yeah lucky my aunt is a chiropractor my neck hurts a lot carrying my giant brain
jaunty falcon
sees timer oh ok maybe you’re just learning hera
sees heat why are you playing hera at high heat
sees health oh lord pls switch to SD
cursive portal
Cursed
dapper schooner
if i do rarity i get the bug here right?
so is it just poms for the single pom target?
cursive portal
so is it just poms for the single pom target?
Yes
cursive portal
if i do rarity i get the bug here right?
No?
Its only if the attack is upgraded
Also that pact
dapper schooner
dc bad
cursive portal
dc bad
No em4 beo is just really bad lol
AP2 RI1 is something you take at 57 heat, not 50
jaunty falcon
My first beo 50 was JS3 CP2 lmaooo
hardy garden
thats a lot of poms
hoary pasture
Maybe
I’m pretty sure I got sweet nectar somewhere in early aspho
My Nemesis run rng was also insane
And Demeter
And Hades
I’m sensing a pattern here
jaunty falcon
Jesus
Everyone getting cracked af 50 heat builds and I’m sitting there with level 2 cast level 5 Zeus aid beowulf
gaunt fiber
Yeah lucky my aunt is a chiropractor my neck hurts a lot carrying my giant brain
Ok that one was great
hoary pasture
But yknow
cursive portal
That sure is a nem run
hoary pasture
cursive portal
I am actually planning on 50 talos astaos style believe it or not
But im doing it with drunken strike
hoary pasture
You better start tooth then
cursive portal
Cp0 sounds helpful tbh
Only problem is timing out or just dying to dad because your build sucks lol
gaunt fiber
I am actually planning on 50 talos astaos style believe it or not
Poggies
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/907785017395118080/Hades_11_9_2021_4_12_51_PM.png my melee 50s always have dio call
gaunt fiber
You better start tooth then
Dammit
cursive portal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/907785017395118080/H...
Ah the based fiery presence dc
hardy garden
dio call so good
cursive portal
Illegal chaos
hoary pasture
I actually forced it on Zeus shield 5 times
cursive portal
Not this illegal
jaunty falcon
Thanks for reminding me I need to watch that
hardy garden
my epic strike only 4% more than that second rare one
hoary pasture
Earring stonks in general
hoary pasture
my epic strike only 4% more than that second rare one <:thanthink:66924600414253...
You got scammed
cursive portal
Not one fist
But 2???
3:15 dad
Epic aphro still better than this
Just not as viable unmodded because or rarity resets
quartz mantle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/943789428546101298/unk...
modded text: “Ri Bad”
EM3 and RI1 on Beo
dapper schooner
well RI is bad
quartz mantle
So don’t take it
dapper schooner
but i dont know how to play em4
quartz mantle
That’s the cool part about Beo is you don’t have to
You simply hold left click
Beo is super safe and does a ton of damage so it’s really good for EM4
dapper schooner
ill play HL5 LC4 FO2 EM4 beo and see how badly i lose
hoary pasture
EM4 is easy look at #h1-victory-boasting
hoary pasture
Do I sound like I am
dapper schooner
yes
hoary pasture
cursive portal
em4 beo is honestly not that bad
toxic temple
How do you do TD3
cursive portal
🧐
flat flicker
How do you do TD3
beyond just got gud, take free rooms (chaos and shops and friends) and try to not get 4+ sacked
And watch that video
quartz mantle
Simply choose the fountain rooms and BBall miniboss in Elysium
cursive portal
mossy zinc
If you just go from Asphodel straight to the Temple of Styx, you save a lot of time.
mossy zinc
Yeah.. if only you could do EM4 before your 10th clear. 
mossy zinc
hoary pasture
lol
That's one hell of a spearman
guy's been training for that jump his whole life
mossy zinc
Just block on reaction.
quartz mantle
Elysium Olympics
mossy zinc
I like the lv5 attack lv3 flood
> 🌊
next acorn
🌊
quiet mountain
the minor dr boons r weird 2 me cuz like they stink on their own but if have already have some dr they r goated
mossy zinc
Bronze Skin is the only one that's bad. Although it's kinda okay at epic.
quiet mountain
why did they make bronze skin like that though is what i wonder
mossy zinc
It's just her version of Pressure Points, Urge to Kill, etc.
bronze rapids
where tf did that spearman come from
soooomewheeeeeere over the rainbow
pure lily
way up high
flat flicker
there's a land that i heard of
hardy garden
next acorn
Somewhere over the rainbow, skies are blue
pure lily
and bouldy is green
hardy garden
and speardudes flyyyyy
pure lily
Awee man
I'm doing a PR run and have some MAJOR DPS rng going but just realized I picked a wrong mirror perk for 40% damage
Can I rush delivery hyper spring into a bull rush?
like once the charging starts will it still count?
If you get patty, do you take skelly or acorn?
hardy garden
rd takes your movement speed at the moment dmg is done
if its beo you can just dash at the end of the bullrush and your casts will get the extra dmg
skelly and acorn arent affected by patty
pure lily
oh, there's enough time to dash after bull rush
good to know
oh right
Lastly, would you sell frost strike or stubborn roots
with beo
pure lily
well all my damage is from cast
flat flicker
yeah, selling attack is bugged on beo
flat flicker
it can have unpredictable cosnequences such as smol flares
pure lily
glad i asked
flat flicker
so take your 440 bucks and move on lol
chad 5 min em4 fight with stubborn roots
but
440 is a lot
mossy zinc
Nourished Soul gud.
bronze rapids
LC3 copium
pure lily
Thank you, your info has lead to a victory
flat flicker
It was your own skill
All I did was save you from a frustrating loss@
I didn’t kill dad for ya
night tendon
How does the rng for each door work
solemn pulsar
How does the rng for each door work
It’s kind of complicated, what exactly do you want to know
night tendon
Hammers Chaos Hermes and just normal gods
night tendon
Oh and special shades like Sissyphus
solemn pulsar
also different
This shows rates of appearance + cooldown length for the different things that can appear in a room
night tendon
Oooh
solemn pulsar
this is a long version of how room generation works, but the important thing to know is that the ROOM is rolled first, then it picks what it shows on the door.
certain rooms like sisyphus or midshop can only have their specific door icon, other times it's picked at random from the bag
bag details:
ROOM REWARD DISTRIBUTION
So some of this might be off a bit, since in looking into it found several inconsistencies already, but in terms of decision making during play, or general knowledge of what might lie ahead, this should serve nicely.
This information covers what rewards rooms can offer, how they are selected, and how you can kind of predict what you might see next. This does not cover blue/gold laurel generation, I'll save that topic for another time. This is purely, "if I see a blue/gold laurel, what is it likely to be?"
Room rewards are selected randomly from a bag. They are then checked against eligibility for that room. Certain rooms have restricted eligibility ("Free" rooms in the end of biomes cannot have money, midbosses can only have boons, etc). If a reward is not eligible, it is replaced into the bag. If no rewards in the bag are eligible, the bag is refilled with another copy of the original bag, while leaving the ineligible rewards in the bag. 2 exit rooms cannot show the same reward, so that will remove things from eligibility. Boons can be shown on both doors, but cannot be the same boon, though the God of the boon is not relevant here.
GOLD LAUREL BAG:
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Centaur Heart 1, no extra requirements
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Centaur Heart 2, must have at least 1 boon to see this
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Charon's Obols 1, no extra requirements
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Charon's Obols 2, must have at least 1 boon to see this
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Boon 1, no extra requirements
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Boon 2, no extra requirements
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Boon 3, no extra requirements
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Pom 1, must have at least 1 boon to see this. If your boons are not pommable, you will receive "Spare Wealth", at least 100 obols (scales with chamber number, not 100% sure how)
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Pom 2, must have at least 2 boons to see this. Same "Spare Wealth" applies
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Hammer 1, must have 0 hammers currently, have no hammer in the shop (if you're in the shop). The 0 hammer requirement means that when the reward bag is "refilled", you cannot obtain Hammer 1 again, even though it is added back.
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Hammer 2, must have 1 hammer currently, no hammer in the shop (if you're in the shop), and will only appear starting in Elysium
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Hermes boon, must have at most 1 existing Hermes boon, have no hermes in the shop (if you're in the shop), and will only appear at run depth 13. This usually means it will start appearing in Asphodel, but you can get it as a "free" reward in the last room of Tartarus if you take a Chamber 13 chaos gate, allegedly (I cannot confirm this since run depth still confuses me a bit)
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Trial of the Gods, must be at least chamber 7, have interacted with 2 gods at least thus far in the run (do not have to have their boons currently), be coming out of a 2 exit chamber (cannot be forced into a trial), be at least 3 chambers into a biome, and have been at least 15 chambers since the last Trial was offered
ADDITIONAL NOTE: Rewards are removed from the bag when they appear on the door, not when you obtain them. Would put this in the first message but it's at the character limit, 🙂
BLUE LAUREL BAG:
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Darkness 1-4, no extra requirements, there are 4 of them
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Elite Darkness Encounter, needs to come from a 2 exit room and be 3 rooms deep in the biome (maybe 5 in Tartarus). This explains why they are rarely seen in Asphodel.
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Gemstones 1-2, no extra requirements
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Elite Gemstones Encounter, same requirements as other Elite Encounters.
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Chthonic Keys 1-2, no extra requirements
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Elite Key Encounter, same requirements as other Elite Encounters
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Nectar,If you have the upgrade that gives a pom with a nectar, nectar will not appear until you have at least one boon, the same as Poms in gold laurel rooms. Minimum biome depth of 3 ONLY IF YOU DONT HAVE UPGRADED POM NECTAR
If the game can't fill a room with a reward a Food reward is generated. This is only ever seen on First Run runs in Asphodel rooms with 3 exits, since only darkness and keys can be offered as blue laurel rewards on first run, though it is also possible with some chaos + fated authority shenanigans on a maxed save in chaos/erebus if you're feeling cheeky
then for "boons" that aren't hermes/chaos, they are randomly picked from all 8 until you've taken a boon from at least 4, then it's limited to random from the ones you've seen (keepsakes can force additional ones and overwrite the random roll)
and then a room being blue VS gold laurel is the game maintaining a certain ratio of rewards, specifically blue laurel (darkness/keys/gems/nectar) : total rooms, so things like shop, story, and chaos count as "gold"
the ratio gets more favorable towards gold in each biome
night tendon
Oh dear that is in depth but I think I understand a lil
solemn pulsar
happy to elaborate on individual bits, that's about as deep as it goes with most of that
general process for a door is:
- pick the room behind it
- if reward isn't set for that room (shop, midboss, etc), pick one at random from The Bag
- if reward is a non hermes boon, pick at random from all 8 if you've seen <4, from those that you've seen otherwise
shy plinth
I’m gonna ask a different question
Hector what are you looking to know about the rng info
Like what problem are you looking to solve or what thing do you want to do differently
mossy zinc
If you're not planning to do routed runs, most of that info isn't gonna affect your decision making in a run at all really.
solemn pulsar
it's useful to know
knowing midshop/midboss depths and forcing rates is useful for deciding to skip certain chambers
night tendon
Just to understand it so I can more reliable find more rare things like Hermes or Hammers or how come it feels like I get door after door after door of currencies and no gods
shy plinth
Variance is gonna be more relevant there than the mechanics themselves
mossy zinc
knowing midshop/midboss depths and forcing rates is useful for deciding to skip ...
Yeah, that part is useful for sure.
hardy garden
do you have dark foresight activated
solemn pulsar
knowing bag is useful for pushing a midboss in tartarus further to get more boons to show up in tartarus by forcing a bag refill
shy plinth
And also of course, you have dark foresight on right
night tendon
I prefer to reroll boons and Charon well
night tendon
I forget the names
shy plinth
It’s the one that makes gold doors 20% more likely
night tendon
Oh that one I do not
mossy zinc
Olympian Favor is good. Dark Foresight is completely broken. So Olympian Favor basically doesn't exist.
solemn pulsar
and unlike the other % chance mirror perks, dark foresight operates under a ratio not a probability, so it's really just a flat buff
without any "average" improvement, it's just always way better
shy plinth
Not running dark foresight is a substantial mistake
night tendon
Why is dark foresight broken? Wouldn't having stronger boons be more reliable
shy plinth
It is 6 more gold doors per run
solemn pulsar
and most importantly IMO, more early gold doors in tartarus
super critical, especially as you turn the heat up
shy plinth
Just a huge huge difference
night tendon
Interesting
mossy zinc
It changes the odds from 50/50 to 70/30 for gold laurel rewards. That's 40% more boons, poms, etc.
night tendon
Are boss doors golden? Like witch room or bullman
shy plinth
Golden doors are doors that buff your run
solemn pulsar
the way the game counts the ratio is
blue rewards / total
ironically i'm pretty sure boss doors are counted as blue
shy plinth
Hah
solemn pulsar
since it's run progression vs metaprogression
shy plinth
Gold doors are poms boons hearts coins
solemn pulsar
and bosses are metaprogression
shy plinth
The things that you want
night tendon
Metaprogression?
solemn pulsar
Gold doors are poms boons hearts coins
for purposes of the ratio, also shop/story/chaos
solemn pulsar
Metaprogression?
stuff you can't use during a run
shy plinth
Ah interesting
solemn pulsar
and use between runs
night tendon
...can't use during a run...?
solemn pulsar
like titan's blood, darkness
mossy zinc
Darkness, Gemstones, etc.
solemn pulsar
things you spend in the house
mossy zinc
No. Obols are a currency, too.
shy plinth
So if you’re pushing heat I strongly recommend just making sure you post your mirror/pact and make sure you’re taking options that are more commonly successful
The deep mechanics of the game are kinda crazy and won’t really influence your behavior too much
mossy zinc
Definitely helps a lot to learn from the collective experience of the community. But figuring out pacts and stuff yourself is a lot of fun, too.
shy plinth
Of course
But sometimes there are just instantly useful things you can do
Or at least make yourself aware of which options tend to correlate more closely with clears at high heats
And then if you do something different you’ll at least know it’s a challenge
mossy zinc
Yeah, but experimentation is part of the game, too.
shy plinth
Sure
But there’s merit to at least education around what tends to work better
Saves time
flat flicker
eh, everyone gonna have their own experience
its up to the player how much content to consume
mossy zinc
eh, everyone gonna have their own experience
No.
Only I have my own experience.
I've seen no proof y'all are even real.
flat flicker
flat flicker
Potatoes are fake
night tendon
So for the mirror of night I essentially had everything on purple minus the last two and family favorite
Generally
What makes dark for sight so strong?
Also can't tell what the first icon is supposed to be the green circle one
solemn pulsar
What makes dark for sight so strong?
many more rooms giving you HP, money, boons
poms
etc
flat flicker
What makes dark for sight so strong?
say you do a 50 chamber run. dark foresight means 10 more poms and boons and stuff total
or maybe 8 cause boss doors and biome transition rooms whatever point is
more stuff = gud
god's legacy can pick up the slack
and chaos boon rarity is pog
night tendon
How many poms is equivalent to one rarity
solemn pulsar
pride is the more direct replacement to OF but yeah
flat flicker
but even without all that, like, a few rarer boons isnt close to worth what 200 extra obols, 50 health a pom and a boon is gonna do
night tendon
Fair enough
flat flicker
pride is the more direct replacement to OF but yeah
oh my bad yeah its the one that makes stuff epic
and re poms and rarity, its so case by case that its hard to tell tbh
casts want poms bad if youre going cast build
night tendon
I'd imagine it's even more great with shattered shackles?
flat flicker
nah thats basically only useful on hestia or on AP2
shackle means you dont get to pick starting god, which can be a ballache, plus no acorn
night tendon
I found it good on Chiron. Not as good as dio special but good
flat flicker
yeah but it isn't better than a powerful special % boon
like, can it work? sure
the main use case for it in high heat land tho is because AP2
night tendon
Ap2 being?
flat flicker
approval process on the pact
flat flicker
yeah at 2 you cant reliably get an attack boon
so with hestia in particular, shackle is bascially 300 damage base attack, which doesn't suck
the opportunity cost of shackle in most other cases just doesnt pan out to be worth it tho
does that make sense?
night tendon
Right
flat flicker
its all about opportunity cost and thinking big picture
night tendon
But you can then focus your poms on other things like calls or weird revenge or dashes
flat flicker
shackle will give you a stronger Tartarus
sure, but like...why?
just hit them with the weapon
night tendon
Fair
shy plinth
Focusing poms is something you have to do, not something you get to do
night tendon
Hm?
shy plinth
Synergy is the most powerful thing you can do in hades
Giving it up means you are sacrificing an opportunity for a build
The payoff has to be huge
raw cloud
does lc4 affect chthonic vitality
night tendon
That's true ya don't get many duo boons which def sucks
shy plinth
Shackle is used at super high heats because the pact restrictions keep you from getting a build anyway
shy plinth
does lc4 affect chthonic vitality
Yes
And even beyond duo boons
If you have poseidon attack you can get wave pounding
If you have Zeus attack you can get jolted
If you have base spear attack then you have... base spear attack
Or whatever
Plus you miss out on having a keepsake for all four acts
Or at least whatever one you use shackle on
You either need to stick with shackle or get a build anyway
flat flicker
yeah, hat said it better than i did
shy plinth
Think about how much more damage merciful end is than just fists
Synergy is busted
High heat runs get hard because you don't get any of it and also the enemies are super lethal
Watch retrash runs and watch the non builds he clears with
That's a gamer right there
night tendon
Would you mind dming me a run
mossy zinc
Potatoes are fake
What about potatos?
shy plinth
Look at the pinned sheet
flat flicker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vZsERNO7cg @night tendon
flat flicker
What about potatos?
those are real
duh
obvi
🥔
thats real
it looks like a piece of bread on a mac tho lol
mossy zinc
Watch retrash runs and watch the non builds he clears with
Tbh it's more that Retrash shows people what boons they underestimate.
flat flicker
50 heat with dionysus attack excalibur when @ retrash
mossy zinc
50 heat with dionysus attack excalibur when @ retrash
@north dove
This is how you use the @mention function.
next acorn
Builds is a strong work for what Retrash clears with sometimes
flat flicker
Zeus shield is a build
shy plinth
Retrash is a gift
heavy fiber
some advices for the 32 heat run?
mossy zinc
What aspect are you trying to clear with?
heavy fiber
aspect of achilles varatha
mossy zinc
Hmm. I guess there are two main strats for Achilles. One is typically Tidal Dash start and resetting until you get Flurry Jab in Tartarus, and the other is doing a Cast build.
heavy fiber
cast build?
mossy zinc
Yeah. Achilles gives +150% Cast damage, so Cast builds can be very powerful.
The two strongest options are pretty much Crystal Clarity and Hunting Blades.
mossy zinc
How comfortable are you with TD3?
gaunt fiber
pretty comfy, thanks for asking
hoary pasture
lmao
quartz mantle
hmm i will test that
A good way of doing cast builds with Achilles is starting with Artemis trying to get her attack, then taking either Demeter or Ares cast if they appear naturally in Tartarus, then gun for their respective duos with Arty
If neither of them show up you’re best bet is to force Ares as Hunting Blades takes less to get the build up and running while Demeter wants quite a few extra boons on top of the duo (Glacial Glare, some other Chill boon, Arctic Blast, etc.)
Infernal Soul is your consistent option but Stygian Soul scales better and has a higher ceiling as extra casts from Chaos or Wells can scale your damage a ton and Hermes’s Bad News legendary on Stygian is super super helpful
quartz mantle
It’s better than starting with the cast cause the cast itself doesn’t do much without the duo
Starting with a good way to deal damage with your actual weapon helps to make Tart more bearable
hoary pasture
Yea Artemis attack + Flurry Jab is easy Tart
Altho I think Slicing Shot is pretty good
Without the duo
But mainly for bosses
flat flicker
Slicing shot and I just don’t get along
More of a meme beam guy but slicing is def faster
quartz mantle
Hunting Blades kinda cool
timber pike
alright after a week or so break from the game I'm ready to attempt my 2nd 32 heat run again...
flat flicker
Hunting Blades kinda cool
It’s a me problem not a blades problem
timber pike
I want to try a different weapon so I'm going with rama, what's a good build?
not sure if it's exactly the easiest choice considering I haven't played with it that much but eh
quartz mantle
So you have some options but your mains ones are these:
For damage: Aphro attack, Arty Dash, Twin/Triple shot, Perfect/Pointblank shot
For safety: Athena special, dash, or call, or Demeter special
You should always start forcing one of your damage options, either Aphro or Arty (in the case of Arty start you usually take dash and any percent increase attack with rarity you come across)
If you want Athena dash for safety you start Aphrodite for her attack, but if you’re ok with not having Athena dash either one is a good option to start as Aphro attack + Arty dash gives you a lot of damage
timber pike
got it i'll try the first one first. it sounds better
quartz mantle
And Athena special is really helpful for safety
Dionysus special is great for charging call as well
timber pike
wait, one more thing, is damage control 2 fine for rama? I left it on when i was trying fists 32 heat
quartz mantle
Yea
timber pike
ok
quartz mantle
You want to be specialling everything anyways
eternal hare
just not too much
quartz mantle
I mean in theory you can run DC0 and do cool speedrun precharging strats
It’s fun but either one works
eternal hare
dc2 is fine if you just want a clear yea
mossy zinc
Rama comes closest to DC2 being "free" Heat.
quartz mantle
So you have some options but your mains ones are these:
Also I realize this is a lot of text so I’m gonna try to condense it a bit
Tldr:
You typically are going to start with Aphrodite, if you’re fine without Athena dash you can take Artemis Dash for extra damage and even take Athena special for a core and for safety
The good hammers are the obvious ones
hoary pasture
I would take Phalanx over Special
quartz mantle
Understandable I like special cause it’s instant compared to phalanx
eternal hare
either is fine
eternal hare
you are more likely to deflect something meaningfully with your special at a time when you are more likely to get hit
hoary pasture
True
With Phalanx you're mostly planning to deflect something to get a small opening etc
quartz mantle
Bold of you to assume I think at all when I play this game
eternal hare
yeah the cast is good for carving a big wall of safety to do stuff
timber pike
i guess i'll take the extra damage. I often use divine dash but extra damage sounds good, so i might be fine.
quartz mantle
Your enemies can’t kill you if they’re dead
mossy zinc
You can deflect a lot of things on reaction with Phalanx Shot just fine. I'd rather leave Special open for something that does good damage, but that's just a personal preference. I don't think it really matters. Just take whatever you're most comfortable with.
Click on something that unlocks DDs and keep moving.
flat flicker
Athena special on rama is prob leaving damage on table and divine dash never stops being useful lol
mossy zinc
Deflects from your Special can also deal some good damage.
quartz mantle
Imagine Rod but with 20% crit chance
mossy zinc
Arty attack, Athena special, Zeus call
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smair.
Checkmate.
quartz mantle
Yea but Rod with crit is funnier
Idk I keep trying to find places where DR is useful
mossy zinc
A solid attack and 2 good hammers kinda all the damage you need
Sometimes you don't get one good hammer.
quartz mantle
You basically need something that benefits off of global crit chance
flat flicker
You’ve heard of a rod, but Drod?
The one time I really got a lot out of DR I had divine dash and arty attack/athena special, then traded the arty for a heroic Demeter (112p with 20 crit chance instead of like 38 with 35)
I’m not entirely sure my math is correct, but I am sure that 2500 damage in one shot is based af
cursive portal
I really like demeter special rama
the slowdown is so nice on something like FO2 EM4
quartz mantle
Yea it’s just that 20% crit chance is whatever on your attack or special but 20% crit chance on stuff like Zeus Call or Rod is probably pretty strong
cursive portal
to get powershots in more consistently
quartz mantle
Demeter Special is great yea
mossy zinc
Deadly Reversal on its own is a fine boon, the problem is that now you need Divine Strike or Divine Flourish for it. That just kind of deleted it from the meta.
flat flicker
I traded Artemis attack for Demeter attack, not special
quartz mantle
Plus it synergises well with KF
flat flicker
Because it was 112%
quartz mantle
Yea but we’re talking about specials
flat flicker
Oh I was talking about DR
quartz mantle
Like Athena special vs Demeter for safety
flat flicker
that’s the one use case I found for it lol
quartz mantle
Yea fair
mossy zinc
Deadly Reversal definitely had its best time when you could go Divine Strike > Hunter Dash > Deadly Reversal.
And Hunter Dash was also a lot better then.
flat flicker
I’d rather Athena dash since it opens up defiances but not DR lol
The heart rend DR dream tho
dapper schooner
Bold of you to assume I think at all when I play this game
mind is certainly empty when i play eris
just go clickey clickey on the mouse and dash in the general direction of the enemy
timber pike
gotta practice with rama. its kinda ttricky to use so far
flat flicker
I consider it like, a state of flow
flat flicker
gotta practice with rama. its kinda ttricky to use so far
Yeah, the power shot timing is different. You should basically never attack without it being a dash strike since that charges much faster for power shot
Or take Zeus special and jolted and spam it
quartz mantle
Shhh don’t say that Ocaml might be nearby
eternal hare
😔
flat flicker
I’ve gotten fed to the crocodiles how many times, Imma just say it anyway
worked for me plenty of times
nothing personal, but imma use Zeus Rama lol
quartz mantle
Generally speaking you just gotta keep your distance and aim properly
mossy zinc
Yeah, I think the two easiest strategies are Heartbreak Strike > Divine Dash or Smair and the other one just Thunder Flourish start and don't even bother learning Power Shot timing or anything like that.
flat flicker
Dio rama also pretty based
mossy zinc
I guess in that case also Thunder Flourish > Divine Dash or Smair.
flat flicker
Also if you get both aphro AND Zeus in Tartarus, you’re now in the Poseidon/Athena smair fantasy
Which ya boy used to beat em4 32 back when he was bad
If you are playing Mario kart and you have a Star half the time you are gonna win
mossy zinc
If you are playing Mario kart and you have a Star half the time you are gonna wi...
Try me. 
flat flicker
I mean if you wanna play Mario kart I’d be down in a few hours I’ll have time to kill at the airport
dapper schooner
If you are playing Mario kart and you have a Star half the time you are gonna wi...
i doubt that.
mossy zinc
m saying you can give me a Star half the time and I still won't win.
flat flicker
Just gotta get the Aphrodite kart
More to the point, if you get that Athena or Poseidon smair, you then have a panic button. Poseidon will do about 400 per hit with the call and Athena will open up an unopposed power shot
but that’s best case scenario
timber pike
ew I gotta take demeter
timber pike
i have athena so would the best option be to take hers, or demeters for special
timber pike
yeah. im in tartarus and finished off the first miniboss. i have divine dash and heartbreak strike.
thats it
flat flicker
so dem special will slow dudes down
then you purge it and take zeus in asphodel for his special instead
flat flicker
more than one way to skin a bone hydra
eternal hare
unless you do have to purge something and have nothing else
flat flicker
think the zeus damage will be more useful tbh
room clear
but if zeus aint there then
pseudo kernel
Rama already has good room clear
flat flicker
yeah is that wrong
pseudo kernel
Dem special is fine
eternal hare
yeah but you don't just spam it
timber pike
should I take the dionysus room or skip him?
eternal hare
just use it a few times and dash strike and if you are scaling your attack properly things die regardless of what's on your special
quartz mantle
Dio is decent for call, Positive Outlook, Premium Vintage
flat flicker
also the last few rama runs i did i started relentless volley
which changes the calculus a bit on spam zeus special lol
quartz mantle
Opening up power shot opportunities will generally increase your damage output more than Dio or Zeus special
quartz mantle
which changes the calculus a bit on spam zeus special lol
It actually does nothing for Zeus special
Internal cooldown still makes you only shoot out one bolt
timber pike
I gotta choose between positive outlook and dio call
pseudo kernel
Call
flat flicker
dio call
quartz mantle
Dio call kinda damage tho
flat flicker
that hurts way more than you think
quartz mantle
Kinda big damage
timber pike
I love damage
flat flicker
i think that's four and the zeus fantasy is gone
pseudo kernel
Kinda meh damage but still damage
flat flicker
thats cool tho
timber pike
yep thats four
flat flicker
are u running p stats or family favorite
quartz mantle
Pretty solid damage tbh
Also a good way to deal with great shields cause like those guys suck
timber pike
family favorite I think...i turned it off because I didn't know I would be getting status conditions this run
flat flicker
bad influence gets absolutely insane with dio call
it basically makes your call also a hyper delivery
eternal hare
ff is correct
flat flicker
if theres enough dudes
timber pike
should I pom special, attack, or call. heartbreak strike is at level 2
quartz mantle
First Pom on Dio call kinda really good
eternal hare
at the same time rama doesnt build call fast enough for it to be reliable damage unless you get hit a lot
quartz mantle
You never worry about pomming your special if it’s not a flat source like Dio Zeus or Doom
eternal hare
a second pom into attack is fine but after that I'd consider other boons to pom
timber pike
ok
quartz mantle
Killing freeze can help your call uptime
flat flicker
at the same time rama doesnt build call fast enough for it to be reliable damage...
or spam relentless volley
quartz mantle
Tbf Dio call kinda charges itself but that’s only really something to consider for boss fights
eternal hare
yeah I'm just thinking to regular encounters and how I like barely even get to use it once if at all
lol
quartz mantle
Yea you’re right
timber pike
I'm really slow with this aspect so far and times almost up. will resetting give me the same options?
quartz mantle
Seeds and rng is kind of a complicated subject but basically your starting seed only affects your first reward and everything else is determined by rng that changes throughout the run
timber pike
ok. I'm definitely about to lose rn since I have 28 seconds and I'm not even at meg
eternal hare
big payoff if you stick with it and are willing to put in the work tho
flat flicker
Even I beat 40 heat with it and I learned today half fo what I know is wrong
timber pike
i'm willing to work at it since I want to eventually clear 32 heat with all aspects
i only did eris so far
eternal hare
tbh you can clear with suboptimal play pretty high up in heat
it's really when you want to pick up speed where you definitely have to start adjusting playstyle
timber pike
yeah speed could be the biggest problem.
i got a sub 15 once after practicing low heat, but that was only once with the fists..
so the main factor is being fast enough with all weapons to clear with td3
not sure if I should practice more sub 15s, but either way I have a lot of work to do
so dio special is also good for rama? I got him as my second god this time
eternal hare
yea
eternal hare
and it also lets you strip dc2 with a single arrow
which comes up a lot with enemies that partially block the ones behind them
timber pike
yeah ramas too slow, depending on how long it takes for me to speed up with this one, I might want to try something else, but I'll practice with this first to see if I can improve
timber pike
it seems fast but it also seems slow at the same time.
pure lily
Dash strike
timber pike
I have aphro attack and drunken flourish
pure lily
Drunken good
Zeus also v good on special + jolted
Jolt everyone while shared suffering
timber pike
so far I've only tried twice and I timed out at the start of the sisters fight
mossy zinc
Well, you've played it twice.
quartz mantle
Try watching some runs of people playing Rama
See how they play and how you can adapt that playstyle
Ocaml and Tailesque have high heat runs on the leaderboard pinned here and also runs on the speedrun.com leaderboard
pure lily
You wanna get dash strike down
mossy zinc
Unless you're a bow main who's already done high heat bow or got excellent clear times with the other bows, especially Zag Bow, or something like that, I wouldn't expect you to just pick up Rama and immediately do well with it.
timber pike
doing zag bow would probably be easier for my first bow high heat
mossy zinc
If you don't have much practice with the bow, Chiron and Special Rama are probably the easiest you can do for 32 Heat.
timber pike
i've mostly used the bow, but not at high heat...
and my clear times aren't the best since I only got sub 15 with the fists recently when I practiced.
successful escapes: 6, fastest time: 25:08:00 and highest heat: 8
mossy zinc
Yeah, 6 clears isn't what I'd consider much practice.
timber pike
my highest clear amount is with the fists since I did practice with them recently
13 clears with the fists
out of 31 successful escape attempts
mossy zinc
You can just go up in Heat with whatever bow you want to practice and learn your builds and stuff that way while also getting some Titan Blood and stuff.
timber pike
considering I got close like three times in clearing 32 heat with the fists, I could try that again. But I had got tired of getting so close just to lose, so I'm going to go back to do that after trying other weapons.
mossy zinc
Is your Eris Aspect maxed out?
timber pike
yes
mossy zinc
Oh wait, you already did rail 32, didn't you.
mossy zinc
I guess you could do Achilles Tidal Dash start, reset for Flurry Jab in Tartarus, and have a pretty similar run.
As in, hold down Attack, mash Dash, and just destroy everything.
And sometimes double-tap Special inbetween.
timber pike
so would the goal be to get a sub 15 with achilles and then do 32?
mossy zinc
Just do 32.
cursive portal
achilles flurry jab in high heat is not for the faint hearted
if you hold down attack you're just gonna get curbed
mossy zinc
I mean at 32, you don't really need to think if you get a decent build with it.
cursive portal
the aspect struggles with dying in any heat too, where you usually just hold down attack for entire 30-1 minute durations
mossy zinc
You don't need to play as mindlessly aggressive at 32 just to beat a 20-minute timer. It's pretty chill.
jaunty falcon
It’s not a SD anyheat weapon
mossy zinc
It struggles with dying in any heat if you're aiming for competitive times. There's no struggle if you're just going for a clear.
Probably one of the easiest weapon aspects for beginners to just get clears with tbh.
Very simple builds with very high DPS, and then you just need to not throw the run, basically.
Or you can just go Crystal Clarity, and then anything that's mildly threatening is gonna have to chase you in slow motion while the only thinking you need to do is not aiming your Crystal Beams directly at a wall while you're just running from everything.
pure lily
Yeah honestly at 32 you could probably clear with a rama special build
cursive portal
Yeah honestly at 32 you could probably clear with a rama special build
even 53
special only rama wr is 53 heat
cursive portal
dio
with relentless volley
OR
doom special+dire misfortune+impending doom
also really wants relentless
hoary pasture
cursive portal
still remember when I timed out by 1:10 at the start of phase 2 of 54 special only
pure lily
Sounds fun just for fun tbh
cursive portal
only a rare special lv2 : (