Room 1 hammer can be very pog
#h1-high-heat-strategies
hoary pasture
coarse acorn
bcs its not a cast and not charged shot
hoary pasture
You'll get your cast a few rooms later it's not a big deal
dapper schooner
unmodded 
hoary pasture
Breaching rush/ Sudden Rush/ Unyielding Defense/ Ferocious Guard are all good hammers
hoary pasture
Dashing Wallop worth mentioning
mossy zinc
Best for whom anyway? Speedrunners at 32 will just do the same build as any heat with Flood Flare, but they're also not concerned about dying. High heat players will just do whatever they feel like doing at 32 with Beowulf. And if you're new to 32... Passion Flare seems like probably the safest option to me, yeah. Certainly can't go wrong with it.
eternal hare
Yes
coarse acorn
ok im screwed
hoary pasture
Been in the 50 mines for too long havent seen one
coarse acorn
no cast in forst boon room
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Just reroll or take Attack I guess.
coarse acorn
got attack
mossy zinc
Room 1 hammer can be very pog
+400% Charged Throw chamber 1. 
Now see if you can pick up Passion Flare or Flood Flare.
I guess Phalanx Flare is cope, too.
Hunter's Flare Heart Rend. 
mossy zinc
Trippy Flare Infernal?
coarse acorn
`bcs pre boss shop
coarse acorn
Trippy Flare Infernal?
ill die to boss without a cast anyway
hoary pasture
Is it FO2 or FO1
mossy zinc
What's your god pool?
mossy zinc
Could also just walk into magma and save yourself from suffering through late Lv.1 Flood Flare. 
hoary pasture
Might aswell restart at that point lol
coarse acorn
no need for that
mossy zinc
Or let the Erinyes have their fun.
coarse acorn
alecto got me
hoary pasture
There you go
flat flicker
See? Like I always say.
you should do an overexplained high heat run if you make videos
coarse acorn
Boom room 3 boon
eternal hare
I thought about doing one for my 50 heat but haven't gotten around to it yet
hoary pasture
Make sure it's Rama
hoary pasture
I need to know the secrets
cursive portal
jaunty falcon
The problem with overexplained high heat runs vs speedruns is that you could just die
Then you’d have to do it again
cursive portal
lmao
hoary pasture
lol
eternal hare
That's why you record commentary post run!
jaunty falcon
True
eternal hare
Or use lazy text annotations
mossy zinc
you should do an overexplained high heat run if you make videos
Want me to add a lot of text bubbles?
flat flicker
Want me to add a lot of text bubbles? <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
if that's your preferred format, i'm not picky
jaunty falcon
Overexplained RI2 AP2: “so yeah I’m picking this boon because I can’t do anything else”
mossy zinc
"So the reason I take this boon room is because it worked out for me because if I didn't, you wouldn't be seeing this run, so yeah."
"m taking this Chaos Gate here because there's a 0 chance of getting something bad because I wouldn't have uploaded this video if I did."
hoary pasture
I think I care more about what you're actually doing instead of picking boons
Especially with something like Rama
Why did you position yourself here etc
mossy zinc
"Getting a lot of good enemy waves and free rooms in this high heat speedrun. This always happens in my new PBs that I upload, so just do a lot of that and you'll get good times."
hoary pasture
How do you figure out where your opening is and such
eternal hare
There's some degree of planning before the run starts that people tend to not really recognize either
mossy zinc
Why did you position yourself here etc
I dunno because it let me shoot at things and go pew pew.
I think people underestimate how much of playing well is just instinct from doing tons of runs.
hoary pasture
True
coarse acorn
died to tis
hoary pasture
Always something you can miss and improve on tho, some stuff is hard to figure out
And playstyle can vary a lot too
eternal hare
It doesn't need to specifically be the ideal run either. Talking over a random unmodded streak stream is an option too
mossy zinc
There's some degree of planning before the run starts that people tend to not re...
Yeah, that's very true. I explained the other day to somebody how you should always try to have a build strategy for whatever pact you're picking and vice versa. Like if you wanted to do a run with Lady Demeter boons for whatever reason, it makes no sense to take FO0 at 32 Heat or whatever because Chill negates so much of the difficulty of FO2 that it's just a natural pick.
coarse acorn
i die to furies alot
mossy zinc
What pact are you using now?
hoary pasture
It doesn't need to specifically be the ideal run either. Talking over a random u...
Oh also what about the interview
hoary pasture
rip
mossy zinc
Anyway, I don't really do voice or let alone voice recording, and if I did, it would probably just be a lot of mumbling and saying the same thing in 10 different ways because m no good at talking into the void. (Although I guess that's what overexplaining is?) 
coarse acorn
What pact are you using now?
your pact
mossy zinc
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
This one, yes?
coarse acorn
yes
mossy zinc
Try HL0 CF1 FO2 instead.
lucid atlas
i die to furies alot
Take the tooth to get you over that hump…Tart is not overly dependent on getting all the perfect boons, outside of making sure you have a trash boon or at peace with selling.
Once in Asphodel, use Athena, get a boon and DD from her and then if you get past Lernie, you will build momentum of you built a good foundation…
shy plinth
For Beo I think you really want boons
coarse acorn
Take the tooth to get you over that hump…Tart is not overly dependent on getting...
im not playing beo without a cast
shy plinth
Like really really
coarse acorn
yes
mossy zinc
We have a block button
If the block button worked, we wouldn't be dying to Furies.
hoary pasture
CF2 hurts yea
lucid atlas
im not playing beo without a cast
Forgot it was Beo, but even still, try different casts…practice getting past Furies and the after some runs, go back to doing the Poseidon or Aphro keepsake 🤷🏻♂️
shy plinth
If the block button worked, we wouldn't be dying to Furies. <:dusa:5222487714095...
I believe your pinned advice is ideal here
mossy zinc
Well, I said earlier you probably don't want CF2 for Beowulf. Before you followed my guide that I said I'd adjust for Beowulf.
mossy zinc
I believe your pinned advice is ideal here
"Git gud" is not my post, if you mean that.
mossy zinc
It's the very first post in #h1-builds-and-combat.
coarse acorn
that is the most effective strat
shy plinth
Which basically means "practice"
coarse acorn
i know, because i dont think theres any other way tho git gud
mossy zinc
I recommend this guide, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwM2kMKgtdU
Going back to something like an overexplained guide, there's a whole lot that goes into high heat that you can't really communicate or show in a single run because a lot of build decisions depend on your god pool etc.
Sometimes you take a random attack not because it's a good attack but because it's bad to not have an attack yet.
Things like that.
Or you take Obols over a Centaur Heart in one scenario, and there are so many scenarios where probably the Centaur Heart is a better choice...
Same with, like, Centaur Heart vs Pom.
coarse acorn
died bcs not using my eyes and walked into a trap
mossy zinc
Pom value depends so much on what boons you have and how many pommable boons you have and at what level.
mossy zinc
died bcs not using my eyes and walked into a trap
Good job.
I hope Hypnos gave you some tips for that, but if not, say the word and we can make suggestions.
More seriously, pay attention to room layouts and where the traps are in each room. And have a strategy for each room for how to avoid the traps.
coarse acorn
I hope Hypnos gave you some tips for that, but if not, say the word and we can m...
i was tryna avoid a sawblade and was paying attention to that. i was just being an idiot
mossy zinc
Like at some point it becomes less about seeing the trap and more a matter of knowing where the traps are, and then you only really dash into traps if you do a bad dash, pretty much.
mossy zinc
i was tryna avoid a sawblade and was paying attention to that. i was just being ...
Against Alecto, yes?
coarse acorn
yes
mossy zinc
The path of her bladerifts is perfectly predictable. And she throws them directly at you. So think of where to stand to bait her into throwing them in a direction that will basically just take the bladerift out of the fight. And she throws two, so you try to bait her into throwing both in a way like that... and then you'll have a very good sense of which areas the bladerifts will never reach.
The worst thing you can do is panic when she's about to throw them and then not be deliberate about where you want her to aim them.
coarse acorn
thx. i tohought it was homing
mossy zinc
Because then it just becomes a kind of scramble where you can't predict where things are going.
I think they have like minor homing maybe when you're in proximity? But they can't really just do a 180° and come at you. So if it's flying off in one direction and you dash behind her as she throws it, it'll pretty much just keep going that way until it hits an obstacle and then bounce off at a predictable angle just as you'd expect.
coarse acorn
thank you
flat flicker
Anyway, I don't really do voice or let alone voice recording, and if I did, it w...
no worries if its not your thing. literally the first thing they drill into my brain at sales guy job is it doesnt hurt to ask 🙂
hoary pasture
AP1 maybe
Although if it was me I'd just take more Hard Labor, if you find yourself struggling with that then you either practice it or try something else
cursive portal
mossy zinc
i need 2 more heat bcs i took out CF
HL1 FO2 like we said earlier.
eternal hare
FO2 is something you turn on, get used to and then never turn off
mossy zinc
Things are also gonna hit you only about half as hard, so there's that.
bronze rapids
Anyway, I don't really do voice or let alone voice recording, and if I did, it w...
funnily enough, I get that vibe from Damue's voiced videos too
pros truly think alike
5 minutes into the vid "I get it, you don't like Splitting Headache "
coarse acorn
Things are also gonna hit you only about half as hard, so there's that.
so i get god mode essentialy. i take 80% less dmg
hoary pasture
You can think of it that way
mossy zinc
From 200% to 120% is 40% less damage, technically.
Most importantly it just takes more hits for you to die. That can help.
Assuming you don't end up getting hit a lot more because of FO2.
cursive portal
FO2 is something you turn on, get used to and then never turn off
I'II come up with FO hitless soon
coarse acorn
damit i need to get beter
aaarggggggggg stupid alecto
threw away nat artemis for chaos boon
ok but this run may be good
goodnight
I feel like I'm getting better tho
flat flicker
aaarggggggggg stupid alecto
trash fury
cursive portal
whats wrong with alecto
flat flicker
shes mean
coarse acorn
trash fury
I'm the one whose trash rn. But i can be better, and im getting better
flat flicker
I'm the one whose trash rn. But i can be better, and im getting better
you got this
coarse acorn
Thanks
gloomy hornet
FO2 is something you turn on, get used to and then never turn off
what’s fo2
clever otter
forced overtime, it makes enemies faster
clever otter
theres a pin in this channel with all the pact acronyms, which are very often used here for convenience
i cant help you with that though, because i dont go above 20, and ive been told my 20 heat pact is weird 😅 but people who frequent this channel could give you advice, as well as the pins could be a place to start
karmic perch
Is there a reason why aspect of rama doesn't get recommended for a first 32 run? Is it just the learning curve of that aspect, or does it make things harder over something like Chiron?
hardy garden
well its a bit harder to use for beginners
karmic perch
well its a bit harder to use for beginners
As someone who climbed to 20 using Rama pretty exclusively, does Chiron offer anything that might help me finish a 32 run? Rama just seems so much better for crowds that I have a hard time using anything else on bow
hardy garden
well if youre good at rama itll be a lot better. i used rama for my first 32 which wasnt that difficult
rama requires a lot less to get going but chiron is a bit on the safer side since you dont have a slow main attack so you can stay pretty far away easily
flat flicker
As someone who climbed to 20 using Rama pretty exclusively, does Chiron offer an...
Play Rama. Chiron is easier to pick up and use but if you have that much rama practice, you’re fine sticking with what you know. I used Eris for mine like a lot of people, playin what works for you is important. That being said, 20 to 32 is tough jump - would recommend some more runs to get comfortable with LC4 and TD3 and maybe FO2 before jumping into 32. Or you can yeet it and maybe it’ll work out
karmic perch
Play Rama. Chiron is easier to pick up and use but if you have that much rama pr...
Oh, I just realized you can probably take SD and LC4 if you don't take EM4
hardy garden
well tbh with rama you can make an fo0 pact pretty easy
flat flicker
Oh, I just realized you can probably take SD and LC4 if you don't take EM4
LC4 is generally easier than em4 will be, yes
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/884914661970026496/bb758e57-64f3-4452-92cc-f3c8bd962a3a.png here was my pact. id switch out cf2 for uc and do bp2 and either fo0 or hl2
flat flicker
CF over DC on Rama is a choice lol
hardy garden
and uh use ff and gods pride
flat flicker
But I’m one to talk, my first 32 pact was something else lol
hardy garden
uh dc2 is on there
flat flicker
UC my bad I’m drunk
hardy garden
it was newb me 
think i yolo'd from 21 rama
lol picked rama after watching tailesque's 60
flat flicker
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/809607727818342420/image0.jpg this is my first 32 from February lol
hardy garden
olympian favor kinda cursed
flat flicker
That’s what’s wrong with it of course lmao
hardy garden
lets ignore the em4
well tbh you have dd's anyways
but that build kinda pog for olympian favor 
epic jolted, attack, and pp. gods pride is a scam confirmed
karmic perch
Yeah, I'd be curious to try and run LC4 with EM3 and SD. I really only have trouble with Hades and Death Defiance management
hardy garden
js3 td2 moment
flat flicker
This was the actual first run I ever did an Erebus gate successfully
Splitting bolt in first room of asphodel, doesn’t get much more based than that
Until you get rip current and smoldering 
karmic perch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/809607727818342420/ima...
Oh, you took Eris. I'm useless on gun with anything other than Hestia
flat flicker
Yeah. This was also me kinda just going for it and it worked out insanely well. That em4 definitely was worth not having to deal with underworld customs
As in, it was sheer dumb luck and getting an absolutely insane build, the part I am going to give myself props for is winning my first ever Erebus gate to get splitting bolt in asphodel which on eris…simplifies things lol
From return of the Jedi palpatine to rise of skywalker palpatine
But in asphodel 
I found Eris easy to play - get zeus, get jolted, go brr. Others can play the fists which I don’t feel comfortable with at all and pretty much just use smoldering to hard carry me while im sad it’s not Eris. Use what works for you but I would advise against my 32 pact 
karmic perch
I found Eris easy to play - get zeus, get jolted, go brr. Others can play the fi...
Thanks for the tips. I'll try out some runs after work today and see how I do
left prism
I found Eris easy to play - get zeus, get jolted, go brr. Others can play the fi...
Sounds like me doing lightning strike for fists 32
I really dont like ME
flat flicker
I’d suggest you do a few 20ish heat runs with td3 em3 lc4 fo2. Other stuff optional, just to get used to the scary pacts. And break those up into separate runs if you think that’s too much. Last tip: when loading your pact fill it to like 60 then subtract stuff and just go the second it hits 32 or you’re going to psyche yourself out
flat flicker
I really dont like ME
Yeah I did it with lightning, ME, then Heavy knuckle 
and smoldering lol
Then I was like back to the weapons I like
left prism
Lmao i thought you did ME with heavy knuckle
coarse acorn
I got thinking about what I was gonna do after this 32. I silenced that thought
flat flicker
I got thinking about what I was gonna do after this 32. I silenced that thought
Do meme beam
Does anyone know the highest heat cleared with a meme beam focused build
coarse acorn
Today I'll try the flood beo build bcs i want to try it
mossy zinc
I got thinking about what I was gonna do after this 32. I silenced that thought
40 Heat.
dapper schooner
60 heat.
mossy zinc
That's dumb
No, it's tying for 5th place on the leaderboard with Tailesque and ocaml_ocaml.
hardy garden
32 all aspects
coarse acorn
32 all aspects <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Now this is actually sort of reasonable
It's on my to do list anyways
hardy garden
then 40 heat all aspects
mossy zinc
40 with your best aspect(s) is gonna be easier than 32 with all aspects.
coarse acorn
Yea probably
dapper schooner
32 heat hades spear
hardy garden
40 beo sounds easier than 32 zag sword
mossy zinc
45 Beowulf might still be easier tbh.
hardy garden
beo stonks
coarse acorn
I might do flood beo today because it's more consistent, and has more aoe
hardy garden
its meta for a reason
coarse acorn
And apparantelly you want aphro cast, then never see aphro again
mossy zinc
I think you're about to see your maker.
coarse acorn
And i think Aphrodite sucks. Even in mythology
But nothing in Greek myth is as infuriating as theseus
dapper schooner
looks like the crocs get a meal today
coarse acorn
He could've been the greatest hero in Greek myth
next acorn
get your popcorn everyone 
coarse acorn
Greater than Heracles
mossy zinc
looks like the crocs get a meal today <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Looks like somebody's never getting help from me ever again.
carmine barn
get your popcorn everyone <:ron:459075377906712586>
okay
carmine barn
Looks like somebody's never getting help from me ever again. <:courte5Wut:859131...
ohhhh
coarse acorn
Greater than Heracles
But NOOOOOO he HAD to become a bad king and decide that he needed to kidnap persephone as his wife
carmine barn
But NOOOOOO he HAD to become a bad king and decide that he needed to kidnap pers...
yeah cant he be like, the god of life
next acorn
He didn't choose to be the god of the dead
carmine barn
instead
coarse acorn
yeah cant he be like, the god of life
I'm talking about theseus not hades
next acorn
thats just what he got stuck with lol
carmine barn
I'm talking about theseus not hades
ohhhh
carmine barn
Only one whose kinda true to his wife
wait but didnt he capture persphepone
coarse acorn
Only cheated twice or so
coarse acorn
wait but didnt he capture persphepone
He was permitted to do so by Zeus
carmine barn
in tarturus
coarse acorn
Like
cold arrow
in the game's lore zeus arranged the marriage
carmine barn
He was permitted to do so by Zeus
bruh that sucks for her
coarse acorn
Told to do so
mossy zinc
coarse acorn
Where the titans and stuff are
cold arrow
in the game's lore zeus arranged the marriage
which made more sense in the version of the myth where zeus is her dad, but supergiant wanted to tone down the incest of the mythos so in the game's lore persephone is half mortal
carmine barn
Not in tartarus
oh
coarse acorn
I like passion flare btw, i just want to try more aoe
bronze rapids
#hades-deep-lore-strategies
next acorn
Flood comf
Pash is probably better when you start running RI/AP2 though because then you can’t expect mirage anymore
coarse acorn
I may honestly stick to aphro bcs of build variety
hardy garden
aphro fits into a lot of builds and aspects
coarse acorn
I think ill do aphro-pos flare - pass flare - flood flare - trippy - repeat
For my attempts
Bcs nyaanyaa is right most of the time, but i also believe the podcast i listen to
And i just like trippy
lucid atlas
32 heat/FO2 Arthur suggestions?
Many attempts made focused around Aphro attack/special, Zeus cast, and Athena builds….but the speed of enemies makes me feel like a sloth with a sword.
Any new Boon builds or attack rhythms to try?
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smair should do it.
cursive portal
32 heat/FO2 Arthur suggestions?
Many attempts made focused around Aphro attack/...
Dash strike build with dedge
Hold attack to dash strike
Cast-dash strike hold will result in a "fake dedge" attack
Theres attack storage on arthur and this is very simplified
mossy zinc
That'll also do it.
Could also just get a decent Shot from Master Chaos and do a Cast build.
cursive portal
arthur struggles heavily with more foes, EM3 and FO2
mossy zinc
Tidal Dash solves everything, too.
cursive portal
You can try to go for lightning phalanx
Basically worse posideon sword but it works very well
mossy zinc
32 is still a level where you can easily ignore the aspect entirely and get something decent going with just a powerful Dash or Cast or Smair.
lucid atlas
arthur struggles heavily with more foes, EM3 and FO2
I noticed…it has taken less than 3 runs to do every aspect except this and GY…the wall I have hit is probably more mental but geez…so many extremes whether numerous Tart deaths or breezing till Dad smotes my ruin
lucid atlas
32 is still a level where you can easily ignore the aspect entirely and get some...
Yeah, think I am gonna lean more into this…tho @cursive portal suggesting the crit build is intriguing
mossy zinc
m not seeing a crit build suggestion. He said Double Edge.
Could also just not take FO2 and have an easy 32 with the aspect.
lucid atlas
Dash strike build with dedge
I guess I interpreted this as Arty dash strike
lucid atlas
Could also just not take FO2 and have an easy 32 with the aspect.
Yeah, started that today…def helped
dapper schooner
I guess I interpreted this as Arty dash strike
even so, arty dash does not have crit chance
lucid atlas
Hmmm, well combined with thinking it did and then having her in the god pool…that is where my mind went 🤷🏻♂️
coarse acorn
How well does beo deal with js? Not good i assume
hoary pasture
It does it better than a lot of other aspects
Some aspects struggle a lot with time when it comes to js
cursive portal
Beo does not care about anything except RI, CP2 and DC2
DC1 is almost free because it only negates your attack, not your casts
mossy zinc
Doesn't really care as much about CP as most other aspects, either, I'd say.
cursive portal
No hitting breakpoints 
mossy zinc
Yeah, but that often just means load one more Cast than you normally would.
While other aspects don't really have that kind of option.
coarse acorn
Yeah, but that often just means load one more Cast than you normally would.
You dash next to enemies right before rushing?
Take a damage dash with ur aphro stuff, enable fam fave while also dealing with dc
Or am i being very wrong
coarse acorn
Td3 is just too much heat to get rid of, right?
honest kernel
td3 is really nice if you can take it yea
coarse acorn
So, what's the best beo build for 32
coarse acorn
td3 is really nice if you can take it yea
I'm on beo, and i think i can take it. I just need to be more aware of everything that's happening
quartz mantle
Probably Poseidon Cast, Artemis Attack, Mirage Shot mainly
That's your main damage source
Athena dash + DDs help for survivability
And Hunters Mark is a great additional damage source
Do you know about the Athena DD thing
flat flicker
And i think Aphrodite sucks. Even in mythology
woot it's not just me waiting for the day the crocodiles decide theyre vegan. the character in myth is beyond the scope of my desired level of effort, but aphro does offer the highest raw % buff plus an eHP boost in weak, plus the aformented Smoldering Air which you saw from that victory screen yesterday hard carried Seal Lando from February to a 32 win against EM4 JS3. I was also taken aback by Nyaa's APHRO EVERYTHING rule, but she has a point. Sweet Surrender is basically a second billowing strength (the other tier 2 aphro boons are comparably lacking), and I do find she has a LOT of tier 1s that can make it harder to get the core boons I want, but check the seed before a start 
guys someone else is gonna be crocodile food, best day ever
wrt Aphro cast Beo: you want Demeter for Snow Burst, and mirage if possible
I prefer flood shot for easier Mirage, but that gets less reliable once AP comes into the equation
also, an aphro start on GY with special, charged skewer and life affirmation makes GY way less intimidating to use
honest kernel
aphro is a staple for a lot of my heat runs, weak and big dmg too good
mossy zinc
woot it's not just me waiting for the day the crocodiles decide theyre vegan. th...
Broken Resolve is really, really good.
And any t2 unlocks Unhealty Fixation, anyway.
flat flicker
Broken Resolve is really, really good.
please elaborate as to why
longer weak? just attack again
what am i missing
flat flicker
that explains that
mossy zinc
Broken Resolve is additive damage reduction.
hoary pasture
Purging well food
mossy zinc
If you don't like having at minimum +24% HP in boss fights, I guess.
And are a heartless monster.
flat flicker
Is there a use case for the longer weak
coarse acorn
Bcs i don't hate aphro I'll go pass flare - flood flare - pass flare - flood flare - trippy - repeat
Trippy just because i enjoy it
Not because it's reliable
flat flicker
Bcs i don't hate aphro I'll go pass flare - flood flare - pass flare - flood fla...
Trippy likes Stygian soul and basically needs extra bloodstones to really shine but is fairly pog in its own right
pancake guy who hates the game swore by it
hoary pasture
lol
coarse acorn
pancake guy who hates the game swore by it
Who?
Also i watched someone's beo guide and i can't wait to test it out
quartz mantle
Trippy is a high roll but it sure is one hell of a high
coarse acorn
As to be expected of dyonisus
quartz mantle
There’s a bug where poms are doubly effective on trippy flare
coarse acorn
Also not having to worry about picking up casts
quartz mantle
Yup plus you get access to scint feast which is a pretty good duo
Don’t take ice wine tho it’s a trap
Makes trippy flare come out delayed
flat flicker
coarse acorn
They played beo i see
coarse acorn
Don’t take ice wine tho it’s a trap
Id never take anything that needs dem core Boons
Idc if they are good, they feel boring
I love the support boons tho
Chill blast particularly
flat flicker
Id never take anything that needs dem core Boons
sad meme beam noises
Demeter call isn't worthless either
and Snow Burst is one of the best boons in the game
coarse acorn
Beam and call are the only boons i like for dem core slots
flat flicker
hot take: i don't hate Stubborn Roots either (because of my legendary 8 minute EM4 fight)
flat flicker
double checekd for typos, there weren't any
coarse acorn
Wait i just thought of something very cheesy
flat flicker
i cowered behind beowulf with my almost perfect mirage shot build
the problem
i didnt have mirage shot
coarse acorn
Haha
flat flicker
so it was basically like
shotgun beo
blast him then cower
and let stubborn roots heal me so if i mess up again
i get away wtih it then cower for a while longer lol
my favorite parts of the game are when it gets real messy and i still pull it off
quartz mantle
Id never take anything that needs dem core Boons
But but
Killing freeze
Although you could get that with snow burst
flat flicker
i once took dem attack on Lucifer and pretended i was an articuno
dapper schooner
my favorite parts of the game are when it gets real messy and i still pull it of...
does -gaming hard with eris so that the entire screen is covered in particle effects on heroes so you cant see anything but eris is so broken that you win anyways- count
lucid atlas
Tidal Dash solves everything, too.
flat flicker
does -gaming hard with eris so that the entire screen is covered in particle eff...
yep
you're a peak gamer
mossy zinc
Needs more poms on Tidal Dash and fewer poms on not-Tidal-Dash things.
Also less Routine Inspection. 
I was wondering where your boons are, so I looked at the mirror.
dapper schooner
RI is great value for heat what are you talking about
hoary pasture
Such a gamer pact
left prism
Js3 arthur doesnt sound for for some reason
flat flicker
Js3 arthur doesnt sound for for some reason
yeah, js3 easy pact
lucid atlas
Needs more poms on Tidal Dash and fewer poms on not-Tidal-Dash things.
AP1 prevented that a few times...worth it tho, as RNG leaned my way
mossy zinc
Well, it worked for them.
flat flicker
is breaking wave worth pomming or just dash
lucid atlas
I was wondering where your boons are, so I looked at the mirror.
rerolls and fake 20% chances for stuff outweighed other options
hoary pasture
I usually just pom dash
dapper schooner
is breaking wave worth pomming or just dash
personally feel like breaking wave is not incredible outside of speedruns
its nice to have but not a priority
hoary pasture
If Bwave is common and I dont get offered something better I would throw a pom there
lucid atlas
Js3 arthur doesnt sound for for some reason
I felt it in Tart...but by Elysium, my build melted everyone, and I didn't stay still long enough for anyone to touch me
flat flicker
I’ll take it and use it whenever I have splash dash but hard to tell what’s doing the work there
lucid atlas
Dark Foresight is 40% more gold laurel rewards.
May have felt that one a bit...but hammers offset that
This time at least 😅
mossy zinc
Well, so long as you got the W, that's all that counts.
Wow, I can't write words today.
coarse acorn
welp, time to try a different approach to this
flat flicker
welp, time to try a different approach to this
thats what the game wants you to do
try all the things
coarse acorn
tartarus mirage shot
hoary pasture
flat flicker
easy game
coarse acorn
prob not
hoary pasture
What are you struggling with in Tartarus
I'd hate to break it for you but if you're constantly timing out in Tartarus then you surely cant keep up with Elysium
lucid atlas
Acorn or Tooth...seriously, I know Beo is cast dependent, but it is worth a shot
lucid atlas
By the time you get to Elysium, you will have your cast and I have found more often than not on high heat, if I can get past Tarturas...it helps
lucid atlas
I would lower the Heat
That is also a good option...have you done all the bounties yet with Beo @coarse acorn ?
mossy zinc
You want a decent Cast asap to get poms on your Cast asap.
If you don't, you'll have problems with DPS that you shouldn't have by the time you get to Elysium.
flat flicker
You want a decent Cast asap to get poms on your Cast asap.
Would you rather a level 10 cast or a level 6 cast and a few other good boons u have to be level 2
mossy zinc
Lv.10 Cast.
I don't really care what other boons I have if I can phase bosses asap with a Dragon-Rush.
flat flicker
but dead bcs lava
just memorize where lava is and prioritize safe ground over a half second earlier attack on a head
hoary pasture
I don't really care what other boons I have if I can phase bosses asap with a Dr...
It depends on the boons
A lv10 cast wont phase Hades nor Heroes
dapper schooner
with mirage it will
hoary pasture
That wasn't the question
eternal hare
yeah tbh i'm fine with a lv5 cast and a few other great supporting boons
diminishing returns start to hit pretty hard
coarse acorn
died to tis+ alecto
coarse acorn
do you priortize health pickups
no. should i?
flat flicker
diminishing returns start to hit pretty hard
Basically this - trying to figure out when the dininishing returns sets in
Like, is a level 3 jolted and level 1 Zeus attack better than a l2 of each (I think it is)
eternal hare
yea
flat flicker
I guess are there rules of thumb on how to optimally pom
subtle cypress
you can look up the raw damage of each weapon on the wiki
might help you do some on the fly mental math to figure out how much youd be getting from an extra 4%
and directly compare it to the flat damage option
flat flicker
yeah its prob too subjective to have solid rules
eternal hare
it's pretty situational based on what you're given the opportunity to pom and what the current state of your build looks like
like you should try to understand where most of your damage is coming from and try to prioritize those elements first, but then possibly consider secondary sources of damage if your primary poms diminish too much
honest kernel
if you keep dying to the boss you should def look more for hearts
it helps a lot in taking more hits
heart erebus gates are big value
coarse acorn
Y
coarse acorn
HL1 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3
honest kernel
hmmm
if you have such a hard time with bosses maybe take fo1 and put the heat somewhere else
they shouldnt hit hard with hl1 but they seem to hit you a lot
flat flicker
HL5 fo1 easier than fo2 hl1
CF also an option
DC if you use Rama or Eris
Or get drunken dash
coarse acorn
CF also an option
ha. not on beo, beo needs boons
honest kernel
its oookay
lol my beo pact was lowkey cursed
it worked for me tho so
always good to experiment w the pact a bit when you get stuck
eternal hare
Cursed build
quartz mantle
Nice DR
honest kernel
oh yeah I had to poms in my cast
wtf
this is what happens if you give a rama player beo
quartz mantle
That looks like a Rama build
That would actually be a pretty banging Rama build
Athena special DR
honest kernel
it would be ok ig
quartz mantle
I mean the dash kinda sucks and it definitely depends on the hammers
but it's pretty solid
flat flicker
pretend its twin shot and repulse shot
flat flicker
is repulse shot any good
honest kernel
no
flat flicker
i took it once for the prophecy
eternal hare
It's terrible
flat flicker
yeah thought so
quartz mantle
I thought you were making a joke
flat flicker
i thought i was but like
quartz mantle
I mean the Rama equivalent of Pulz Blow + Unyielding is basically Twin + Perfect
flat flicker
wouldnt shock me if someone was like, well actually xyz did 68 heat with it youre bad at the game lando
and youd want pulverizing blow over sudden rush on beo?
eternal hare
Idk if I'd call pulverizing blow unyielding the ideal beo hammer combo tho
honest kernel
idk what hammers beo wants
quartz mantle
Hammers don't matter cause castspect
Unyeilding is good defensively
sturdy good
but other than that you have like
eternal hare
Cshot, ferocious guard, sudden rush nice too
quartz mantle
Sudden, Breaching, Ferocious
honest kernel
i see
quartz mantle
Charged Shot if you're gaming
Other than C Shot none of them are too impactful
If I have Unyeilding already I'm gonna take a Pom or Health over a hammer w/ Beo
flat flicker
charged throw is kinda fun ngl
forces u to basically play a different weapon
but
still fun
did a charged flight beo once with a level 12 epic aphro special lol i died to hades but was a fun meme run
hoary pasture
I dont even know what was the nerf
But I have a 40 with it too lol
Was awful tho
honest kernel
halved the dmg
hoary pasture
sad
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/834119624328872027/unk...
Nice... Lightning Rod + Jolted build? Was that your damage? Probably.
mossy zinc
is repulse shot any good
Tailesque once got a WR with Repulse Shot, so it must be good.
honest kernel
yeah it was pretty nuts iirc
mossy zinc
That's the conclusion we came to that day. Can't argue with results.
But then again, the run isn't WR anymore.
So I guess it's bottom tier now.
quartz mantle
Pretty sure he broke it with a 60 heat run
mossy zinc
He still holds the Rama WR.
The one I was referring to was like 53 or something? Something like that. So he's broken that one a few times since lol.
flat flicker
That’s spicy
quartz mantle
Like Tail cleared 60 w/ Rama, then like 4 or so months later YKC cleared it with Beo
It took a while for anyone else to get to that level
mossy zinc
The top 2 runs have 4 and 10 boons + a boon from Bouldy. So 4 and 10 boons are the optimal number of boons to get in a run.
And you need to get a boon from Bouldy or it's not optimal.
And also you should only invest in the first three mirror talents.
That's optimal.
Can somebody pin that?
bronze rapids
no permissions 
coarse acorn
lol my beo pact was lowkey cursed
Thx for the motivation
mossy zinc
I find it crazy that Tail got the first 60 heat by like
Yeah, Tailesque is very gamer.
flat flicker
And also you should only invest in the first three mirror talents.
If you never use the mirror ever ri4 is free heat
coarse acorn
i figured out my tartarus issue
flat flicker
You didn’t use meme beam?
coarse acorn
its not the boss, its how little hp i have at the time of reaching the boss
quartz mantle
If you never use the mirror ever ri4 is free heat
Actually if you never use the mirror ever you cannot use RI at all and therefore it is not even heat
mossy zinc
So max Heat is gonna be 56 instead of 64. Perfect.
Max Heat strats.
Good idea, @quartz mantle. Gonna credit you in my guide.
quartz mantle
Also if you never meet all the furies you cannot use EM
which lowers the max heat by another 10
mossy zinc
46 Heat.
quartz mantle
Fresh File to max heat speedrun
mossy zinc
I've done 46 Heat.
quartz mantle
Same
mossy zinc
So technically, I've done max Heat.
quartz mantle
How many runs does it take for all the furies to show up
I wonder if you can get Hestia up and going before then
mossy zinc
That got me thinking.
If you never get a clear, you never unlock Heat.
So.
Yeah.
Heat isn't real.
BRB gonna make some edits to the High Heat Leaderboard.
Or should I say the High Leaderboard because we know Heat is fake now.
#hades-high-strategies
ft. Snoop Doggy Dogg
Probably.
mossy zinc
I love bouncing off ideas with you all here, always gaining new insights.
flat flicker
Im thoroughly enjoying this side of nyaanyaa ngl
mossy zinc
Are you saying my other side is not enjoyable?
clever otter
it had a swear word in it 😔
mossy zinc
Bot probably looks for substrings.
clever otter
the link, not the gif
coarse acorn
Hopefully cleopatra gets on the vegan trend sooner or later
should we thell nyaanyaa that cleopatra is dead
flat flicker
lmao
mossy zinc
The sacred crocodiles only eat people when it's morally right. They're vegan.
flat flicker
Yeah I’m exposed I’m a plant
gaunt fiber
depends on what you're talking about
life probably not
high heat yeah
Some things are just pure practice and become habits, like FO2
hoary pasture
life probably not
sadge
coarse acorn
welp im practicing fo2 on its own so i know that atleast, even when not doing 32
flat flicker
i just got tickets to see hadestown on broadway
im gonna come back from that making up songs about high heat
stay tuned
gaunt fiber
I remember when I turned on FO
flat flicker
there was a while there id go EM4 FO1
gaunt fiber
I got absolutely destroyed so I put FO2 instead. Took me a week to get off asphodel
flat flicker
fo2 hard
gaunt fiber
It really is at first. And then you just get used to it
flat flicker
Get epic hermes speed now bad guys are on fo2 as well
imagine if hermes speed was useful
would be mega based
cursive portal
On early access there was 50% forced overtime lol
flat flicker
I feel like I’m ice skating
cursive portal
That looked balanced
flat flicker
Hahahah 40 still not insignificant. Wasn’t there also 500 hard labor
coarse acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/892037361884610560/ima...
what is thi
hoary pasture
It's what the pact of punishment looked like
Idk when exactly
Somewhere in early access
coarse acorn
ahhh
hoary pasture
Some are renamed but still do the same thing now, some are totally removed and some are rebalanced
coarse acorn
ima do some thirst climbin run
cursive portal
I think tailesque has a 120 heat run somewhere lol
hoary pasture
How much is that equivalent to
eternal hare
seems incomparable given how much the game has changed
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/892037361884610560/ima...
That's from when @daring hedge got the 153 Heat WR, pretty sure. Still uncontested by the way.
hoary pasture
True
mossy zinc
Best I've seen since was 62. So like... not even half as good, really. Dunno why people nowadays are scared to do 100+ Heat.
flat flicker
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/892037361884610560/ima...
what do the last four do
frenzy is prob forced overtime and veil is either RI or AP
the other two no idea
hoary pasture
Veil is ap I think
shared misery no clue
And last one is like a limit to the amount of darkness you can spend on mirror upgrades I think
So like ri but not really
mossy zinc
Veil is AP, Frenzy is FO, Misery no idea, Stifling Darkness is the old version of RI where you could still pick your talents and it would just reduce your Darkness.
Misery might be JS or CP? Tailesque would know.
hoary pasture
flat flicker
even Haelian doesnt know
hardy garden
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/c/c4/PactInterface.png/revision/20200205152720
vicious torment - basically hard labor, except it went up to 500%
grim inevitability - lasting consequences
death insurance - damage control
convenience fee - the same, but the numbers mightve been different
tenebrous veil - old approval process
whipped frenzy - old forced overtime, went to 100%
shared misery - old jury summons
stifling darkness - each point let you use less darkness in the mirror, and maxed you could only use 500. it got reworked into routine inspection, which disabled the talents from the bottom up.
heat numbers were way different (max was 200, iirc) and adding heat made you gain bonus darkness (this was before bounties were implemented). heat was also a collectible resource and the pact had to be unlocked with keys.
- alma
mossy zinc
Simple Discord search shows it's Jury Summons, yeah.
hardy garden
apparently old jury summons ye
mossy zinc
If you quote somebody, actually quote them.
flat flicker
others beat me to it
mossy zinc
flat flicker
that was a cool bit of history
hardy garden
smh i cant link to message on mobile
flat flicker
That was me that asked, cool that I remembered most of em lol
Pact of punishment schmact of punishment am I right 
cursive portal
Schad of punishment 
How can you peeposad that message when I have done special only 50 rama
flat flicker
gaunt fiber
Because it's a long lost era
quartz mantle
Schad is but a memory at this point
gaunt fiber
A cherished one
hardy garden
special rama stonks https://streamable.com/7bk5jw
clever otter
>>> https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/c/c4/PactInterfa...
oh, i just noticed i didnt include pain tolerance in my original message. its basically old calisthenics program, and i think it went up to 50%. ill edit the message in case anyone else goes back to it
next acorn
Who was Schad
mossy zinc
Schadenfreudic. He wrote the pinned 32 Heat guide.
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3
That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.
In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.
So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.
feral coral
Thank you!
mossy zinc
**Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide**
A standard 40 Heat pact has:
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC...
@flat flicker
Come to think of it...
flat flicker
Appreciate you
mossy zinc
And thus, a new guide is created.
The best 40 Heat guide there is.
Out of all one 40 Heat guides.
next acorn
pseudo kernel
And thus, a new guide is created.
More mewmew guides
flat flicker
nope
flat flicker
What killed you?
spike trap in Meg room
mossy zinc
Heightened Security is just something you gotta turn on and then keep on.
The thing is that the normal traps just don't really teach you at all to respect the traps. There's no reason to. They do barely any damage at all.
flat flicker
lernie scary now
mossy zinc
But you pretty much just gotta learn where the traps are, and stop walking on magma.
Sure Footing can help a lot if traps are scary, that just pretty much completely negates that pact lol.
bronze rapids
imo in hellmode you can swap HS for CF1
mossy zinc
But I can also say that if you play with HS on for awhile at high heat, you can't really go back to no HS anymore because it takes forever to revive with SD for healing if you don't have HS on.
hardy garden
taking more than one elysium egg to kill yourself or 10 seconds to die in lava
bronze rapids
gotta plan ahead when there are still enemies
flat flicker
me on HS
ok let me read the room layout thing again this time thinking about traps
mossy zinc
You'll best learn where they are from experience probably.
Once you've stepped into a trap 10-20 times, you'll know where it is.
flat flicker
Yeah. Gonna give it a rest for now, i impulse bought fenyx rising and wanna give this a go
hardy garden
wait you stop running into traps
mossy zinc
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> wait you stop running into traps
I never ran into them in the first place.
I dashed.
next acorn
I dashed. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
why dash when you can Achilles special into it?
mossy zinc
What's that?
Real gamers play with -50% HP.
Guan Yu is basically just HS2.
HS2: traps will always definitely kill you.
shy plinth
Hs2: if you talk crap about aphrodite to Nyaanyaa in disc you die in the game
mossy zinc
I don't need a pact for that.
dapper schooner
>>> https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/c/c4/PactInterfa...
maxed vicious torment means you take 480 damage from dad spin if he has boiling blood on you
fun
also is it even possible to have a 50 heat pact without AP2 RI or EM4
hardy garden
maxed vicious torment means you take 480 damage from dad spin if he has boiling ...
boiling blood is additive tho
so +600% total damage or 7x dmg if you have both 500% and +100% from boiling
so 280
dapper schooner
so do you only take 100 damage on max HL boiling blood dad spin?
dapper schooner
oh right
now i see why people say that eris falls off at high heat
it hates AP and RI
hardy garden
ap2 free wdym
devout quiver
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> wait you stop running into traps
Won't happen 
mossy zinc
maxed vicious torment means you take 480 damage from dad spin if he has boiling ...
m pretty sure we could still deflect his spins at the time, though.
devout quiver
Everyone runs in to traps always
mossy zinc
No, it's just you, actually.
mossy zinc
also is it even possible to have a 50 heat pact without AP2 RI or EM4
Nope. You'd get 49 with EM3 RI0 AP1 and everything else maxed in Hell mode.
left prism
now i see why people say that eris falls off at high heat
play drunken strike slighty less pain cause you only need poms
mossy zinc
Eris is still one of the best aspects for 50+. It falling off just means you can't hold down Attack and just mash dash anymore.
At least not all of the time.
Well.
Until you get Delta Chamber. Then you just hold down Attack and mash Dash.
next acorn
I have to use braincells?
mossy zinc
I didn't say that.
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/917292551319470100/Hades_12_5_2021_9_50_45_PM.png just get the boons
dapper schooner
if it was eris that run would be over at the hazard bomb hammer
am not good enough to beat FO2 HL5 dad with hazard bomb
next acorn
It looks like hazard was forced with modded
hardy garden
if it was eris that run would be over at the hazard bomb hammer
just use eris like zag rail
dapper schooner
but why would i use eris like budget eris
hardy garden
i frame hazard then for big stonks smh
hoary pasture
Beeg special
coarse acorn
I need some practice with lc4 fo2 td3 as a seperate pact
So that i get used to that
Bcs those are my problems, and learning those will be needed
I'll follow the thirst
hoary pasture
Yea that’s a great thing to do
You can also try to speedrun with HS TD3 EM2 FO1/2
As fast and agressive as you could
This would get used to the magma in EM2 and just traps everywhere else
coarse acorn
I'll do that then. Also should I use SD or dd
hoary pasture
If you’re using LC4 SD, otherwise I would use DDs
DDs are more punishing because if you take dmg it’s permanent dmg
Unlike SD which can suck it up each room for the price of clean boss fights
coarse acorn
Clean boss fights are my problem. I don't have enough hp going into them
hoary pasture
Then just choose whichever you’re more comfortable with for your practice, (assuming you have no LC4)
coarse acorn
I'll do your suggestion, bcs my goal is to be better at rooms
Not just on beo, but in general
hoary pasture
Yea traps can help you be more aware of your surroundings in every room, FO2 is a rough addition to that but you can get used to it as long as you’re playing reasonably well, if you find it very difficult then maybe step it down a bit
coarse acorn
It's either fo2 or cf2 and i refuse to use cf2, even more because fo2 can be learned, cf2 just feels so bad
hoary pasture
Yes, FO2 comes with practice, CF2 is just punishing without a whole lot you can do for it
I would rather have a good build and get used to speed and tougher enemies then slowly make my build worse
Not the other way
coarse acorn
My problem with rooms is, now that i think about it, that i
- Get hit too much, probably because I'm focused on my target and not my surroundings
- Navigate rooms to slowly, making the timer tick down more than necessary
2 comes with practice, 1 comes with both practice and knowledge
I should REALLY record my runs
See what goes wrong
hoary pasture
You can ask for a review in the Speedrunning Discord, everyone is eager to help, and yea recording your runs can be very helpful when you rewatch them
Another thing you can do is pause right after you enter every single room, look at the layout of the room and the enemies (if you can see them) and try to think of an effective and safe way to clear it
coarse acorn
Okay
hoary pasture
The more you see each room the more you’ll get used to certain things like traps, and knowing the enemies can help a bit too
coarse acorn
I'll Also try more variety in my weapons, following the glow and all, because i want to avoid burning out
hoary pasture
That’s also good
Keep in mind some stuff will be a lot harder with certain pacts
Like Melee with FO2 at first
coarse acorn
The more you see each room the more you’ll get used to certain things like traps...
I know the enemies, i just tend to forget they excist or not react fast enough
coarse acorn
Like Melee with FO2 at first
It will always be hard at first. Not doing it will not make it less so, just delay my learning process
And I'll have to use all the weapons at 32 anyways eventually, so why not practice my core troubles with each of them first?
hoary pasture
Well yes but getting used to FO2 wont be easier if you struggle with FO1 on say Arthur/Rama etc
And dying early and taking random hits doesn’t always mean you’re learning, sometimes it just means you cant keep up
next acorn
If your on pc you could make save states for bosses to help clean those fights up
hoary pasture
Then you get archers and cant restart fast enough
hardy garden
hoary pasture
But yea if rooms and bosses are the problems might aswell just do full runs
coarse acorn
Yea
hoary pasture
No reason to practice Hades if you cant get to Hades
coarse acorn
just dont get hit
That is indeed what I'm trying to do
hardy garden
i have a 50 heat em4 save state
hoary pasture
Is that the cshot Zeus
I have a Rama EM4 savestate I think
With an Epic lv4-5 Aphro attack and Twin perfect
Nothing else
hardy garden
Is that the cshot Zeus
ye
hoary pasture
Cshot shield not comfy enough for me
I would probably let go mid spin
And forget that I have cshot
And eat the spin
Or the 2 spins
cursive portal
Just dont get butterflies and its free
hoary pasture
Get sneak instead
hardy garden
hoary pasture
Close
coarse acorn
Ima be grinding bounties with a fo2 td2 pact as the base
Maybe even lc4
To train my muscle memory on fo2
I think that's so incredibly important for me
undone tartan
Ima be grinding bounties with a fo2 td2 pact as the base
Do TD3
I don’t advise using FO2 before using TD3
coarse acorn
Please explain
honest kernel
going fast is easier than learning FO2 timings
undone tartan
Yeah exactly
Especially because 5 minutes per region is not too hard to adjust to and be completely consistent at
coarse acorn
But fo2 is even faster, and i want to practice the part of 32 i have the most trouble with
undone tartan
You definitely don’t need FO2 for 32. But either way, practice with TD3 on
karmic perch
LC4 is generally easier than em4 will be, yes
Thanks for the tips. Switched out EM4 for LC4 and got my first 32 heat first try: https://imgur.com/a/g7AWfcW
quartz mantle
Didn’t even use the full acorn let’s go
karmic perch
CF2 <:zag_notlikethis:887729530599530586>
CF2 FO0 and got lucky on UC. There was definitely luck involved.
karmic perch
Cold fusion PS with Demeter attack Killing Freeze
Yeah, I took Zeus and Demeter keepsakes on the first two floors to go for it, and UC only took some normal tier Hermes boons
karmic perch
You definitely don’t need FO2 for 32. But either way, practice with TD3 on
Does TD3 mostly require you to take every shop and npc room you find?
quartz mantle
When you’re starting out it’s good practice but sometimes there’s something really good next to the shop and you just take the time loss for it
Npc rooms you pretty much always take
cursive portal
Eury and pat are always worth going for
quartz mantle
Maybe this is just my RI2 brain but Bouldy is really important to getting early boons in tart
karmic perch
Eury and pat are always worth going for
That's true. It just feels bad taking Sis or an early shop when you just want to ramp up your build
cursive portal
Maybe this is just my RI2 brain but Bouldy is really important to getting early ...
Yeah true
karmic perch
Maybe this is just my RI2 brain but Bouldy is really important to getting early ...
Bouldy as in the keepsake? Or is there some hidden interaction I don't know about?
cursive portal
RI CF UC
cursive portal
Bouldy as in the keepsake? Or is there some hidden interaction I don't know abou...
We just call sisy bouldy
karmic perch
We just call sisy bouldy
Oh, you'd take him for the free gold going into your first shops
quartz mantle
Yea 100+ gold is pretty good
hoary pasture
RI2 is basically leaving Tart with 1 boon and a hammer if you’re lucky
dapper schooner
but bouldy buff tho
cursive portal
Yes
mossy zinc
Thanks for the tips. Switched out EM4 for LC4 and got my first 32 heat first try...
Very build.
cursive portal
More important with RI or high CF since you have no gold at the start and shop prices are outrageous
quartz mantle
Which is why we use CF0 😌
cursive portal
+with RI you get less "gold" type rewards
dapper schooner
185's 4:55 has bouldy buff so for all we know without that bouldy it could have been a 5:55
cursive portal
Ambiguity or your run is cursed
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Definitely would have been at best 5:00 without .
karmic perch
Very build.
Much cheese.
dapper schooner
ambiguity reduces unarmoured swordsmen chance (definitely real)
mossy zinc
ambiguity reduces unarmoured swordsmen chance (definitely real)
I thought so, too, but the description is kinda ambiguous about it.
dapper schooner
undone tartan
Does TD3 mostly require you to take every shop and npc room you find?
Not really, although you often want to do that anyway. But especially if you don’t have JS or CP (aka if you’re below 40 heat) then it’s pretty much super free to be sub 20 and doesn’t really require any concessions imo
mossy zinc
Well, depends on how much practice you have going fast.
If you can just barely do sub 20, you'll probably want to take every free room you find.
dapper schooner
but also why would you actively want to take more BP2 encounters
mossy zinc
With more practice, you can do troves and trials and Erebus and skip mid-shop and fight Charon and whatever else you want just fine.
At least until way higher heat.
undone tartan
~~but also why would you actively want to take more BP2 encounters~~
Well I’ll generally take a good reward over a shop if I have time to spare (and if I can’t afford anything) in Tart or Asphodel but rarely Elysium
undone tartan
But that’s because I’m used to JS3 BP2 Elysium which is just very very hard, especially with a weapon that can really get screwed by bad rooms (such as Hestia)
dapper schooner
what would that do to non rail weapons
mossy zinc
Nothing.
Bruiser rework: Bruiser foes now wear full plate armor.
Hades should hire me.
I'll fix his "my son keeps escaping" problem in no time.
flat flicker
Hades should hire me.
Supergiant actually should, though
undone tartan
Is there a name for the kind of boon that Static Discharge and Razor Shoals are? Other that Tier 2. Because aren’t they supposed to have a guaranteed 50% chance to show up? Is there a name for that?
cursive portal
Is there a name for the kind of boon that Static Discharge and Razor Shoals are?...
status effect boons
undone tartan
Does every god have one of those? I guess the gods that already apply status effects don’t, right? So their T2 RNG is different
mossy zinc
Not all status effects have a 50% chance to be offered. Only the status curses, the ones that would proc Privileged Status.
So basically they're tier 2 status curses.
It's just four of the gods that have them.
undone tartan
Ok
mossy zinc
Hunter's Mark, Static Discharge, Razor Shoals, Blinding Flash.
eternal hare
Priority
quartz mantle
Yea status boons have half priority
Which is why you tend to see mark and jolted so often
And why taking Blinding Flash can improve your odds of finding DDs
shy plinth
Is there actually a boosted priority for those in the code?
quartz mantle
Yea core boons have a 1.0 priority while status curse boons have a 0.5 priority
quartz mantle
This is big paraphrasing so take it with a grain of salt
I never did any actual code delving but Cgull and others have done plenty and were helpful in explaining their findings
undone tartan
Does trippy flare have the same pom scaling as trippy shot (ignoring the Beo glitch)?
quartz mantle
Pretty sure
But the Pom scaling glitch isn't exclusive to Beo it's the flare in general
so it's the same on Hera
left prism
i thought it was only beo?
mossy zinc
Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash are listed as priority upgrades. The tier 2 status curses are listed as linked upgrades (i.e., boons that have requirements in order to be offered) with a 0.5 priority chance.
Priority Upgrades: Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash
Weapon Upgrades: Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, Call, and Hammer upgrades
Traits: other tier 1 boons like Pressure Points etc.
Consumables: Premium Vintage etc.
Linked Upgrades: all tier 2 and tier 3 boons
Well, all of the boons have names that end in Trait anyway.
...not all, actually. But like 95% or something probably.
quartz mantle
i thought it was only beo?
Beo and Hera both use Trippy Flare
The bug is with Trippy Flare not Beowulf itself
left prism
speedtech post about it said hera not applying that, unless is wrong ig
jaunty falcon
Yeah hera doesn’t Pom weirdly
next acorn
Amir pls
undone tartan
No I love the giant trippy flares