I like Cast damage a lot more than extra bloodstones.
#h1-high-heat-strategies
hoary pasture
For non charged shot beo idc really
But if I get offered both I would take the cast I think
dapper schooner
cerb is annoying
i know the strat is to camp bottom right when he cerbs
but i still get hit half the time
hoary pasture
You can pause and adjust
hoary pasture
Yea
cursive portal
You can pause and adjust
This ^ pause buffer aggressively
hoary pasture
I'm gonna upload this fight for the memes 
cursive portal
That looks so free
hoary pasture
Who would’ve thought I could ever upload something successfully
next acorn
fully loaded
shy plinth
The legends are true
lucid atlas
For non charged shot beo idc really
I have tried charged shot beo multiple times but just don’t like it…the cast load while charging is just too good along with the movement around the field to not be a sitting duck
hardy garden
I have tried charged shot beo multiple times but just don’t like it…the cast loa...
well you can load while charging up cshot
and youre not really a sitting duck with the range you have and the flexibility of positioning that gets you
do you not have cast rebinded?
lucid atlas
well you can load while charging up cshot
I am on PS4 and the muscle memory of cast on circle is too strong to rebind it now…and stretching from square to circle with my thumb is a bit of a challenge and not very efficient/fast
hardy garden
well yeah rebinds are gunna be messy for a bit but itll benefit you in the long run
id just get it done and move cast to a shoulder button
ive done a lot of funny cursed rebinding
like itll become normal after enough runs
lucid atlas
id just get it done and move cast to a shoulder button
Hmm, a shoulder button cast…I mean, not a terrible idea…I will consider it. I have no plans to play less so the runs will def be there
lucid atlas
Just do charged shot only beo
This has crossed my mind…
hardy garden
i even put special on right trigger like two weeks ago
hardy garden
cuz zeus shield
cursive portal
Just loading one cast to get the 100% attack damage bonus
lucid atlas
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> i even put special on right trigger like two weeks ...
Across the board, for whatever aspect or for a certain one?
hardy garden
well i moved it for zeus shield but i keep it there
easier when you dont rebind everytime you switch aspects
reload is now on the original special button
my binds are just a tiny bit cursed
lucid atlas
It is true…I currently have rail reload there but switching it wouldn’t be totally awful…after 20+ runs. I will try the cast load rebind…Special rebind hurts my head just thinking about it tho…def sounds cursed
hardy garden
its so i can recall my beyblade while blocking
bot
literally only thing in the default bind is attack
hoary pasture
Gamer keybinds
dapper schooner
cuz zeus shield <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
just play KBM and never have to remap ez
hardy garden
moved call and summon on xbox then kept pressing summon when i meant to call
dapper schooner
but then you cant get the optimal line for first boon so is it really worth 
hardy garden
8 directional movement 
dapper schooner
also what does attack at cursor even do on controller
hoary pasture
Nothing
hardy garden
nothing. like the same screen is used for kbm and controller binds
hoary pasture
It says its for kbm only if you hover your cursor above it
hardy garden
like if i move my mouse itll register and switch to kbm controls
cursed controller + mouse setup
dapper schooner
cursed? you mean optimal
hardy garden
elite gamer strats
dapper schooner
in 1 years time 185 will shave off 10 secs from the IGT WR by using optimal mouse aim for achilles special
and then everyone will realise that joystick mouse is optimal
hoary pasture
lol
hardy garden
combining omni directional movement and actually beig able to aim special on rail
cursive portal
185 actually uses the d pad for movement
lucid atlas
literally only thing in the default bind is attack
This remapping breaks my brain
hoary pasture
damn
hardy garden
trust me these are big brain binds
lucid atlas
185 actually uses the d pad for movement
I have considered it … it’s how I how do Dead cells and most side scrollers
dapper schooner
185 actually uses the d pad for movement
what
but why
that defeats the whole point of controller
lucid atlas
So he can sub-5
hardy garden
i think its joke
honest kernel
I always play dpad on games that make use of some type of 4 way or 8 way directional movement
but its not ideal for hades I think 😩
lucid atlas
Maybe I will try…that along with rebinding cast as @hardy garden …I will start there and see what happens…speaking of, time for a run
lucid atlas
Just finished Tart with the cast rebound to a shoulder button and…
😉
@hardy garden
honest kernel
no more thumb gymnastics
lucid atlas
Lol, it is true…having one less thumb button is magical…not sure why I didn’t explore this more
devout quiver
Just finished Tart with the cast rebound to a shoulder button and…
Sounds like something I should try.
I tended not to use casts on non cast builds since it was such a pain lol
lucid atlas
Incorporating the cast more in a non-cast build, with proper mirror setup, increases your DPS way more than you’d think…def recommended
cursive portal
I tended not to use casts on non cast builds since it was such a pain lol
Helps more than you think
Infernal on sword/fists help a TON with killing weak mobs from afar
Especially if you have high confidence, then you can kill brimestones with one cast
mossy zinc
I am on PS4 and the muscle memory of cast on circle is too strong to rebind it n...
Throwing a Cast and loading a Cast are very different moves. And you'll use it so much in a Beowulf run, you'll get used to it in no time.
flat flicker
I tended not to use casts on non cast builds since it was such a pain lol
yeah, now you can fire off a few homing missiles and clean up rooms faster. it can save you like five seconds per room which is nice to have because TD
hurry up and exist ps5 elite controller 
mossy zinc
hurry up and exist ps5 elite controller <:Sadge:812317801942482955>
What if every PS5 controller is elite.
flat flicker
What if every PS5 controller is elite. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
In this case elite meaning back buttons like the Xbox elite. No first party attachment exists yet either I gotta mod the controller or more likely just pay someone to do it
mossy zinc
Maybe not requiring back buttons is elite and you're the commoner.
flat flicker
Whatever, I like having extra buttons
Ease of use of casts plus on charged special hammers it feels great. And not needing to move thumb ever. Peak gaming
mossy zinc
Just press all face buttons at the same time with your thumb.
Easy.
That way you won't need to move it.
flat flicker
Only works on joycons, can’t reliably dash strike that way
mossy zinc
Well, no, didn't say you could. But you could reach all the buttons without having to move your thumb. 
flat flicker
Aphrodite is your thing, controller mapping is mine 
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite is not a "thing", heretic. 
flat flicker
I’m coming again croc buddy
mossy zinc
Bruh.
flat flicker
Damn that gif was mean at the end
My bad I just thought it was a dude getting eaten that’s all I wanted
Will let the full gif play in preview first going forward
mossy zinc
Bruh.
flat flicker
gaunt fiber
🐊
devout quiver
Helps more than you think
ikik
shy plinth
Just don't try it on beo
hoary pasture
Blood Frenzy gud
flat flicker
not if i dont lose SD
gotta play with that winners mentality
blood frenzy feels like goku having yet another power level
i dont want to need that other power level i wanna just win in 5 actual minutes not 20 episodes
cursive portal
not if i dont lose SD
mossy zinc
not if i dont lose SD
Lose SD on purpose to get +15~37% bonus damage. 
flat flicker
idk, it has defeatist mentality (since im pretty much only thinking about the dad fight)
but youre not wrong
that final form mid phase 2 prob wouldnt hurt
ok ill try not to purge blood frenzy
mossy zinc
One nice thing about Blood Frenzy is that it can't be pommed.
gaunt fiber
gotta play with that winners mentality
Winners optimize their damage output
So they die on purpose
While dealing damage ofc
flat flicker
Curse of drowning easy game
timber kraken
Hi ! I'm trying to acheive 32heat wirh Shield/bow. I didn't play since many months and I have thé feeling that they nerfed both damages and chances of drop off duo boons. Is it just a feeling of did they change something ?
flat flicker
Hi ! I'm trying to acheive 32heat wirh Shield/bow. I didn't play since many mon...
Context on when you last played is useful here, but there’s enough to win at 32 heat even with the balance updates
hoary pasture
I don’t remember anything brought up about those in the last few months
And we havent been getting balance updates anyway, just some bug fixes
Unless it’s like a year ago or something then I’m not too sure
timber kraken
Context on when you last played is useful here, but there’s enough to win at 32 ...
I don't play much but I did some attempt. I had really bad boons and 0 duo boons, so I did not had good damage input. I was just wondering.
flat flicker
oh, you just got a bad run
that happens
when you start pushing heat, sometimes you just get crap
and can't do anything
and die to the furies
it happens
timber kraken
Yeah I know, I was just wondering. Because, well that was not many runs but some in a row.
Anyway, ty for the answer !
flat flicker
goin in cold to 32 is gonna be rough
but if you were beating 32 before, youll get it back
you can turn on god's legacy on the mirror to help you find duos
timber kraken
you can turn on god's legacy on the mirror to help you find duos
I did. Might just be bad luck !
flat flicker
also check the codex since some duos requirements are weird
for example you cant get sea storm with only poseidon dash as your poseidon
timber kraken
Nice advice, I'll do !
flat flicker
gl fam
timber kraken
👍
coarse acorn
If I'm allowed to ask, what is the best beo build at higher heats
hoary pasture
how high
Up to 40-45 you can stick to the usual flood flare mirage
or stygian dio
If you wanna play safe just go passion flare and force Demeter for Snow burst RW or Athena for Dash and dds
coarse acorn
Up to 40-45 you can stick to the usual flood flare mirage
That's pretty high
quartz mantle
Flood flare mirage is consistent and still powerful
And honestly it’s good enough until you get to like 50 something
hoary pasture
You can do Icy Flare
quartz mantle
Once you need to start taking things like DC or RI with AP it’s harder to get Mirage and you want Snowburst anyways for DC hearts so Passion Flare works out
So True!
bronze rapids
Thunder Flare meta tho
hoary pasture
I like how Thunder Flare scales from nothing except double strike
great boon honestly
bronze rapids
Shackle base cast
quartz mantle
Thunder flare actually scales so well with more Zeus boons it’s kinda funny
eternal hare
you could even do passion flare mirage at 50 tbh
a little more juice to help you out with an em4 pact
quartz mantle
Double strike, Jolted, Splitting etc
hoary pasture
True
quartz mantle
Passion flare mirage sounds kinda nuts
bronze rapids
provided you can get it
quartz mantle
Yea that’s also kinda what I meant
It takes a lot to get
Especially if you want snow burst on top of that
Honestly tho
hoary pasture
Just get the ideal 4 gods in tart
quartz mantle
What about Flood Flare, Deadly Strike, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash, Mirage, DR
Global Crit
With Mirage
bronze rapids
Go all in with Hunter's Flare
coarse acorn
I'm exited to do some flood mirage runs today
quartz mantle
Flood mirage good on Beo
hoary pasture
You can make a lot of things work with RI0 AP1 pact
quartz mantle
TFW a single boon doubles your damage entirely
Yea and you don’t even need AP1 until like 45 or so
Cause Beo can just handle things like JS3 or EM4
quartz mantle
What if you killed everything and never died
bronze rapids
Heartbreak Strike, Divine Flourish, Hunter's Flare, Divine Dash, Poseidon's Aid
Get Heart Rend, DR, Mirage
quartz mantle
Ah yes Hunters Flare
With its
10%
Crit rate
Although with hunters flare I like the idea of Divine Strike for DR
Then you could do something like pos special Aphro dash
For mirage + heart Rend
bronze rapids
Mm
quartz mantle
Divine strike on Beo is pretty good
quartz mantle
Although I might be biased cause this one EM4 fight I started off dash striking to deflect his spear throw and it felt hella badass
They’re not doing any more updates or bug fixes
Also they know about some stuff like mirage being broken on Beo or Clockets
bronze rapids
How tight is the timing for that tho
quartz mantle
And just decided to let it happen
bronze rapids
it's a feature-bug
quartz mantle
Probably relatively tight cause the startup on Beo attacks exist
Like it’s not a good strat it just felt really cool
hoary pasture
Although I might be biased cause this one EM4 fight I started off dash striking ...
inb4 the spear doesnt get deflected
I sometimes dont know if dash striking to block is always a good idea lol
since dash strike strips iframes
But I do it anyway
quartz mantle
It’s better than a standing attack
And if you delay the dash strike you can kinda be fine
hoary pasture
Yea but it might not be better than double dashing away I mean
quartz mantle
Oh yea well that just depends
If you have enough time to get a block off then you most of the time want to do that but sometimes you just need to run away
coarse acorn
it's a feature-bug
I hope so
hoary pasture
It wont get fixed if that's what you're asking
We already know that
Altho the timing on those was mostly enough
The tooth was a confidence boost lol
nvm its not timestamped
https://youtu.be/uu3XaEoeVKc?t=238 this one is
pure lily
Damn that pot damage
hardy garden
pots
mossy zinc
@hoary pasture mods are only legal on the leaderboard if they don't affect the run itself. So starting boon selector is fine (but would be seeded), but anything like disabling certain minibosses would not be legal. There's a separate modded high heat leaderboard for those runs.
hoary pasture
What is this referring to
cursive portal
mossy zinc
What is this referring to
I probably should have pinged @bronze rapids rather than you. It was in reference to your messages in #h1-victory-boasting.
weak gyro
I have 181 hours in this game and I consistently have trouble succeeding with crit builds
The only time it ever worked for me when when I happened to get Big Cut Nemesis Sword
weak gyro
Just killed both Thesius and Asterius at exactly 0 seconds on Tight Deadline (5 min) 32 heat
Very accomplshed
mossy zinc
Getting there.
weak gyro
Death by a thousand cuts build isn't very good without Zeus legendary
Rail plus Lightning Strike plus Support Fire is surprisingly low damage
flat flicker
Rail plus Lightning Strike plus Support Fire is surprisingly low damage
without Jolted, zeus is mediocre
support fire honestly is 1. an artemis prerequiste and 2. its most value is to make users feel better
like the fact that the giant mess on screen is now like, 20 percent your mess rather than say 5
thats good for the mentals and staying confident
if you think youre gonna lose to dad, you will
hardy garden
well its pretty decent on rail still
flat flicker
Yeah I mean it can’t hurt but it basically means your rail shots have an extra 10 damage per shot
That’s super useful against damage control, or with fast dps, but I dunno…like is suppprt fire good?
I take it in hope of arty legendary over exit wounds which is doodoo
mossy zinc
It's about equal to the damage your Lightning Strike does.
hoary pasture
Damn that pot damage
Both could've been avoided so easily too lol
Also i did step into a third pot
mossy zinc
Good job.
honest kernel
crit builds need some support boons to really pop off
otherwise youre always below average compared to just taking big dmg %
dapper schooner
for high heat (so stuff like DC2 on) is cluster or rocket start eris better
also i keep losing runs to hades after no athena DDs + no patty :[
cursive portal
Yes
dapper schooner
also until this last run i didnt even know that you could never see first hammer until ely 
hoary pasture
Welcome to hell
I’ve been playing non charged beo for a while, now I feel like Charged shot is garbage everytime I pick it lol
coarse acorn
Should i setup lc 4 and sd on beo to practice that for when I'll actually get into high heat?
hoary pasture
You could
hoary pasture
LC4 on its own is like fine, the things that can make it tough should also be active if you want to practice high heat, but again, depends on how high you wanna go and how good you are currently
coarse acorn
I die to lernie alot bcs i mindlessly rush in
hoary pasture
If you wanna climb to 32 for example it’s better off to just do it rather than prepare for it by practicing each individual pact, high heat is being able to tolerate multiple pacts at once
coarse acorn
I want to learn to not mindlessly rush in
coarse acorn
How do i do that/get started
mossy zinc
Do you play on console or PC?
On PC, you can make practice saves for any boss or encounter you struggle with and just replay it over and over.
Also I guess with Beowulf just mindlessly rush in better. That'll do it.
Meaning just get better at killing Lernie asap.
Which main head is giving you trouble specifically?
The projectile volley you can easily avoid by just getting behind the head when it shoots it.
Summons you can honestly ignore and maybe just quickly kill when there's some downtime in the fight.
Magma spitter you just gotta avoid the magma. Pretty easy with Beowulf since you can just rush through it.
If it takes a couple seconds longer to kill it because you want to kite it away from magma pools, do that. It's not like you should be pressed for time at that point.
Unless you're speedrunning, of course, but in that case you just play hyper-aggressive, and if you, you die and start again, still playing hyper-aggressive.
devout quiver
The one that makes a bunch of rocks fall from the ceiling was always the most annoying one for me.
coarse acorn
Lernie isn't fully the issue, it's that i feel like i play to mindlessly aggressive
mossy zinc
I dunno. What are your clear times with Beowulf?
coarse acorn
Around 20 minutes, but it's not only beowulf. Fists are the main issue. I have the LEAST trouble on beowulf
mossy zinc
20 minutes with Beowulf sounds like not nearly mindlessly aggressive enough for how you can get away with playing the aspect.
coarse acorn
But any other weapon (except bow and rail ) have trouble positioning and timing
mossy zinc
So just way more aggressive and probably clean up your execution, which is just practice tbh.
coarse acorn
OK
mossy zinc
Have you watched any Beowulf speedruns?
coarse acorn
I can't really find any but i haven't really looked since i wanted to see things done differently, so first i needed something to have it be different than
Any recommendations that are on YouTube?
mossy zinc
Plenty of runs here.
And you can find high heat runs on the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in this channel.
coarse acorn
OK
mossy zinc
It can also help a lot to watch streamers. There's usually one or two good speedrunners at least streaming. They're always happy to answer questions, too.
coarse acorn
If you wanna climb to 32 for example it’s better off to just do it rather than p...
OK then, I'll try a max of 5 32 heat runs on mirage flood beo today. More than 5 if i feel like I'm making progress
coarse acorn
OK
I'll be looking for a pact then
Some advice i got was to force Athena in tartarus, but I'm not doing that on beo
Really need the cast
hoary pasture
That’s some bad advice you got lol
mossy zinc
I'd take Passion Flare over Flood Flare if you're not confident in clearing 32.
I suspect they said Asphodel, not Tartarus.
hoary pasture
Yea Athena is Aspho is usually the go-to for extra safety
Dash/attack/dds
Call maybe
coarse acorn
Ah right thx
coarse acorn
I'd take Passion Flare over Flood Flare if you're not confident in clearing 32.
Isn't flood way more consistent
hoary pasture
If you don’t get Mirage it’s not as good as Passion Flare
mossy zinc
Passion Flare is the go-to for high heat.
coarse acorn
And passion flare is good without mirage?
mossy zinc
Can still get away with Flood Flare at 32, but Passion Flare should be easier. Weak does a lot of work.
coarse acorn
So you also put aphro on attack?
mossy zinc
Not necessarily.
coarse acorn
Take priv status bcs snow burst, or do you still try for mirage?
mossy zinc
Privileged Status, yes.
coarse acorn
So you take dem keepsake in aspo or elysium if you haven't got her in your pool?
mossy zinc
Acorn in Elysium if you're not that confident or experienced.
coarse acorn
Still 3 cast, still 1-2 rotation, still reroll for extra casts at chaos?
mossy zinc
I'd take Shot over Grasp a lot of the time from Master Chaos, but both are good.
hoary pasture
Also if you’re gonna go for Flood flare you wont be able to force Athena in aspho unless you’re very lucky in Tart
Because you’d want Mirage instead
coarse acorn
Im not forcing Athena anyway bcs id like a functional build more than the extra safety
mossy zinc
Nah, you have Snow Burst for that.
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Some variations of how the build can turn out if that helps.
cursive portal
Snow burst is hard to get sometimes
Since it doesnt have priority
I dont think dem attack is too bad
hoary pasture
I would take Dem attack
mossy zinc
Yeah, it can be pretty good. But you're hoping for other things over Frost Strike usually.
Still a lot easier to get what you want at 32, anyway.
No AP etc. yet.
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/908013105785757747/Had...
That Aphro call would’ve been a nice boon to purge
Pretty good gold
mossy zinc
You're a nice boon to purge.
I like Broken Resolve and Different League a lot. Lots of eHP value if you have Weak.
Anyway.
Going for Lady Athena when you see her is a no-brainer because you can get Dash and DDs and maybe a chunky Attack. And if you have Heightened Security, even Sure Footing has a lot of value.
Lady Demeter for Snow Burst etc.
Lady Artemis for Deadly Strike and Heart Rend (and maybe Mirage Shot).
Lord Poseidon for probably Call but Tempest Flourish if you already have Deadly Strike is great to unlock Mirage Shot... and Tidal Dash instead of Flourish if you have Charged Shot, that's usually the play.
Lord Zeus for Call and Smoldering Air 100% always a good choice.
Lord Ares and Lord Dionyusus you don't really wanna see if you can avoid it. But Dionysus' Aid can be alright; and otherwise just whatever doesn't pollute your duo and pom pool and maybe adds some damage.
I guess Drunken Strike isn't the worst pick-up either.
coarse acorn
So, you essentially grab aphro cast and see what happens?
mossy zinc
Well, you make the most of what you see, yeah.
mossy zinc
You'd want a different pact than in my victory screens unless you want to insist on EM4 FO2 for some reason (like I did because I'd get bored otherwise). But the mirror is pretty much what you're looking for except SD instead of DDs.
coarse acorn
OK, i love that
I like variety in my runs, and good dyo runs feel so samey
mossy zinc
Just load however many you need to kill things. In Tartarus probably just mix in some Dash-Strikes during downtime when you're waiting for bloodstones to drop.
mossy zinc
That's Hell Mode, so JS1 CP1 is always there.
Like I said, you'd probably want a different pact.
But Beowulf can do JS3 CP2 TD3 just fine.
hoary pasture
Probably would need more practice or you’ll time out lol
mossy zinc
Well yeah.
Just saying the aspect is fully capable of handling that. But certainly not what you'd want to go for when it's your first 32 unless you're already zooming with sub 10s and stuff.
You've been playing with FO2, yes?
Could just do something like hmmm... HL5 LC4 CF1 EM3 BP2 MM FO1 TD3 perhaps.
HS instead of CF1 if you're very comfortable around magma and traps.
hoary pasture
You've been playing with FO2, yes?
I’m gonna assume you’re asking me
mossy zinc
No, TheGhost.
hoary pasture
Aw
mossy zinc
You're at a point where if you don't take FO2, I'd just assume you're memeing.
Or doing a "I don't know what to do, I'll just come up with some random pacts that don't make sense or maybe do a mirrorless or whatever" run.
coarse acorn
So i should be using fo2? First off, why, second, will do
mossy zinc
Nah, FO1 and FO0 will be easier.
hoary pasture
FO2 will make Hard Labor tough if you’re not used to it
dapper schooner
I’m gonna assume you’re asking me <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
50 heat FO0 RI3 ez
hoary pasture
And also timing your dashes on bosses and such
hoary pasture
50 heat FO0 RI3 ez
I’m gonna add that to my to-do list
bronze rapids
RI3 Beo stonks
dapper schooner
but do it with non shield
hoary pasture
Okay
bronze rapids
awaiting the 62 Beo WR
hoary pasture
It might be a while
bronze rapids
We'll be here
mossy zinc
Well, if you want to try a Beowulf speedrun pact at 32, you can do HL5 LC4 EM2 BP2 UC FO2 HS TD3.
hoary pasture
Long to-do list atm
mossy zinc
It's definitely possible to play that with Beowulf pretty much just like you'd play any heat.
But FO1 or FO0 is probably gonna be quite a bit easier.
Not like we can do a study with lots of players to see what works best, but just from experience coaching a lot of players through their first 32 Heat run, the most reliable strategy in general seems to be this:
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
With just typically Lightning Strike start instead for Malphon and Eris and otherwise pretty much the same strat.
And I'd consider some small adjustments to the pact for Beowulf just to make it easier to get a broken build because that will let you just ignore enemy mechanics later in the run.
I'd think Owl Pendant in Asphodel for Divine Dash and DDs is still probably gonna be the easiest strat for Beowulf at 32, though. Not as powerful as going for Snow Burst etc., but just kinda foolproof. Can make a lot of mistakes and still get away with it. Very good chance to get at least one DD, and you're not opening up Parting Shot (because that's incompatible with Beowulf), so the odds are even better for DDs than on other aspects.
cursive portal
50 heat FO0 RI3 ez
Word
hoary pasture
Non shield
cursive portal
hoary pasture
I was gonna do Zag shield too
dapper schooner
best 32 pact is actually HL5 LC4 FO2 RI4 AP2.
mossy zinc
That's for Gilgamesh, right?
hoary pasture
That’s for dying
mossy zinc
I said that.
dapper schooner
That's for Gilgamesh, right?
ofcourse
hoary pasture
I wanna say “cant be that bad” but in that case I’ll have to add it to my to-do list
pseudo flame
best 32 pact is actually HL5 LC4 FO2 RI4 AP2.
I’ll probably swap HL 5 to CP2, HS, and JS2 lol
dapper schooner
HL5 is probably worse on mirrorless LC4
mossy zinc
HL5 is probably worse on mirrorless LC4
m with you there.
One mistake and you're never gonna recover from that hit.
pseudo flame
Eh? Then HL3 CP2
pseudo flame
50 RI4?
pseudo flame
Do u have CP,
pseudo flame
I still find that hp boost is insane spiking up the difficult
cursive portal
Yes
Its not like I had anything else to turn up
DC is really bad with charged shot
I only reserved it for 56+ heat
mossy zinc
This one I could potentially see as being more dangerous especially if you're doing EM3+. DC2 probably worse on a lot of aspects than CP2, though, in general.
...that was supposed to be a reply lol.
Wieldofrost — Today at 1:50 PM
Eh? Then HL3 CP2
To that.
pseudo flame
Ultimately it is TD3 problem imo
hoary pasture
For you
hoary pasture
Which isn’t unreasonable because you always take JS and CP
mossy zinc
Well, Dazed suggested a 28 Heat pact anyway, and without TD.
mossy zinc
best 32 pact is actually HL5 LC4 FO2 RI4 AP2.
This does not add up to 32.
mossy zinc
28 + 6 is not 32.
bronze rapids
that's 28
mossy zinc
#hades-high-heat-math-lessons
dapper schooner
oh my bad
pseudo flame
Man math is hard
dapper schooner
thought RI4 was 12 heat for some reason
mossy zinc
It's -12 talents.
bronze rapids
reading high heat theory craft has burned RI and AP heat values into my head
dapper schooner
though tbh i think that 3rd and 4th level should atleast be worth 3 heat each
RI is just ridiculously bad for its heat cost
hoary pasture
It’s fun
pseudo flame
Who knows
If it’s just 32 heat, RI4 really isn’t so bad
After all, u mostly still have max power weapon and keepsake to set things up
WAY easier than fresh file
hoary pasture
Totally unrelated things lol
pseudo flame
Just thinking what would be a super hard 32 heat pact like
hoary pasture
EM4 AP2 RI4 HL5 LC4 HS
cursive portal
HL5 CP2 HS EM4 DC2 arthur
Only like 20 heat
BUT
Hard af
Ive only ever seen one person beat that
My man bright01
pseudo flame
Oh? Even with full mirror and no FO2?
cursive portal
Oh yeah FO2 too
hoary pasture
Arthur and DC2 don’t go together well
cursive portal
FO2 arthur is an experience
pseudo flame
But u dun have TD
cursive portal
TD makes the pact easier
pseudo flame
Time to use Stubborn roots 
hoary pasture
Well to use stubborn roots you have to dodge your enemies first
pseudo flame
Well I still have double dash and all the time lol
hoary pasture
I’ll never get used to staller strats
mossy zinc
No, you don't have all the time against EM4.
You're not winning by running away and letting him heal to max HP.
cursive portal
All my fights are super long unless im playing sword 
Its more entertaining to watch I guess
Content farm
I still dont know how I survived that one on 55 hesty
Positive outlook came in very clutch
5 hp 
mossy zinc
If you can prevent his healing while running away, you have all the time you want.
cursive portal
I had 6 minutes and used 5:30 
mossy zinc
29 seconds longer would have brought in 58 more views.
coarse acorn
You're at a point where if you don't take FO2, I'd just assume you're memeing.
Why
What is that point and how do i reach that
hoary pasture
Lol
mossy zinc
If you're doing 40+ consistently and 50 Heat and stuff, you're not really thinking twice about taking FO2 at 32.
coarse acorn
What's a good way to trigger sd in anything that's not aspo if you need it to heal
mossy zinc
Anything that hits you, I guess.
hoary pasture
Trap
mossy zinc
Yeah, that.
hoary pasture
If you’re used to the game enough you can tell the last wave
mossy zinc
Also enemies if it's the last wave, especially.
You wanna try to avoid dropping below 30% and needing to heal up with SD, though.
coarse acorn
Yea i guessed that. What makes passion flare different to flood and trippy?
mossy zinc
Centaur Hearts and even Darkness can put you above 30%.
Much better base damage and pom scaling than Flood Flare, none of the issues that come with single Cast start, and Weak is great.
hoary pasture
Yea i guessed that. What makes passion flare different to flood and trippy?
Dmg reduction, independent on its own
mossy zinc
Also doesn't rely as much on Mirage Shot.
coarse acorn
You wanna try to avoid dropping below 30% and needing to heal up with SD, though...
I assume that that is the number 2 priority behind not getting hit?
hoary pasture
Well the first priority is not getting hit, and the second priority is maximizing your hp if you do get hit, through popping your sd
mossy zinc
Well, if you're below 30%, it doesn't really matter too much if you get hit because your SD will just heal you up to 30%. After you've used your SD, you definitely wanna try to keep it at 30%.
coarse acorn
Centaur hearts are probably last in line begind all other gold doors except maybe money and VERY sometimes trials?
mossy zinc
Why would you take money over Centaur Hearts?
Even just in monetary value, Centaur Hearts are 125 at base and Obols are just 100. Add CF1 and it's 175 vs 100; and with CF2, it's 225 vs 100.
coarse acorn
Bcs boons and extra well items are good?
mossy zinc
Not dying is good.
cursive portal
mossy zinc
There are times when the money can be more valuable, but as a rule of thumb just get the most value out of each choice.
coarse acorn
Is there a change in mindset/something to keep in mind for 33
mossy zinc
Something like an early Infernal Gate with a Centaur Heart can be hugely valuable because that's +50 max HP right there.
Just do what you did at 32 Heat but +1 better.
I dunno.
coarse acorn
There are times when the money can be more valuable, but as a rule of thumb just...
That's actually a really nice rule of thumb. I assume that excludes gods for your build over hammers?
mossy zinc
Depends on what the build is, I guess.
It's a rule of thumb for when you're not sure about a decision. If you think the boon is better than the hammer, go for it.
Just so long as you don't end up with no hammer until late Asphodel or missing one of your hammers or anything like that on aspects that need good hammers...
dapper schooner
Centaur hearts are probably last in line begind all other gold doors except mayb...
centaur hearts take last priority for speedruns not heat
coarse acorn
Just so long as you don't end up with no hammer until late Asphodel or missing o...
Does this only apply to high heat
Aldo what counts as high heat? 32+
hoary pasture
Yes, here atleast
mossy zinc
Not really just high heat, no.
There's no clear cut-off for high heat in general, it's subjective. No one's gonna tell you to go away if you're asking for help with 28 Heat or whatever.
The high heat leaderboard starts at 32 Heat.
coarse acorn
OK
mossy zinc
Whether I refer to 32+ or 40+ or 50+ as high heat probably depends a lot on context.
If you've done some 50+ runs, then 32 Heat probably seems pretty low to you.
If you've only gone up to 16 or 20, then 32 seems pretty high.
That's how it goes.
coarse acorn
Maybe my observations are wrong, but can you get mixed blue and gold doors in a single room? I haven't seen it, but that may be my mind playing tricks on me
hoary pasture
no
mossy zinc
You can if the gold laurel exit is like a shop or friend room. Pretty sure those have gold laurels, too. The other exits can be blue laurels.
coarse acorn
Im pretty sure the shop and friend changes color depending on the other rooms
coarse acorn
Is there a change in mindset/something to keep in mind for 33
*32
hoary pasture
win, dont die
mossy zinc
Pretty much just the things we already said.
cursive portal
Learning melee makes you bettet at non melee
mossy zinc
Very true.
coarse acorn
I suck at melee, which is surprising because i used to main melee. Probably bcs i wasn't doing melee, but ME button mashing
mossy zinc
For the most experienced players, there's very little difference between 0 Heat and 32 Heat. So just keep working on the same things you've been working on, pretty much. Learn to make the most of your builds and exit choices, learn enemy behavior, learn your DPS rotations and clean up your execution on that...
Main differences that might be new are learning tactics for different BP2 combos and learning how to play with SD.
And also just your margin for error is lower in any encounter.
coarse acorn
I just got very motivated to do 32 because i like learning stuff in this game
coarse acorn
And also just your margin for error is lower in any encounter.
Good. It means i make more mistakes, so i learn faster
And i get faster feedback
mossy zinc
Or it could mean you learn far slower because you're too far out of your comfort zone.
coarse acorn
I like hard games, if it's hard in a fair way
mossy zinc
Anyway, you just gotta go for it and see if you need help with any specifics or if you can figure things out on your own.
And beyond that it's just practice and reviewing build choices and what you might have done diffent that could have helped with a problem you hadn't anticipated.
Sometimes trying out some boons or combos that you think sound terrible can be good to see if you're able to make the most of it and maybe learn something unexpected.
coarse acorn
The thing I'm not looking forward to is bp 2 again
I say bp2. I mean cloning tp anything
mossy zinc
Although ability to discover new builds and stuff is a lot less valuable now if you're in the community since we already have so much knowledge accumulated from so many players for all kinds of builds and what works best.
mossy zinc
The thing I'm not looking forward to is bp 2 again
I say bp2. I mean cloning tp ...
Cloners are fine. Cloner chambers can be a lot faster than normal encounters.
coarse acorn
That's nice because I'm a very enthusiastic researcher
coarse acorn
Cloners are fine. Cloner chambers can be a lot faster than normal encounters.
I noticed that actually
I don't mind clones themselves, i mind them in combination with cloning because then you're essentially playing spot the real one
mossy zinc
Well, yeah. Just slow it down and focus on finding the real one rather than getting hectic and wasting time fighting clones.
Kind of like shooting wildly from the hip vs taking a moment to aim and making sure you hit your target.
You might be shooting more bullets if you just wildy shoot from the hip, but you're not really doing anything productive if you're not hitting anything that matters.
Although with Beowulf I guess just Dragon-Rush into anything that looks like a crowd and ask questions later.
Easy to find the real ones if they're the only ones that remain after one Dragon-Rush.
coarse acorn
Ha
mossy zinc
Two Casts will always kill any clones.
They have 1 HP armor and then 1 HP of red health.
coarse acorn
1 cast right? I always feel like rush and cast are 2 seperate hits, tho I'm probs wrong
mossy zinc
Yes, but you might not hit everything with the rush itself.
coarse acorn
They have 1 HP armor and then 1 HP of red health.
Ik, i have bp1 on by default for the last few days
coarse acorn
Yes, but you might not hit everything with the rush itself.
Ah
So passion flare DOES have aoe
coarse acorn
Is it a good idea to swap to the epic chance mirror again? Bcs you're less reliant on duos
And epic cast sounds nice
flat flicker
What do you do if clone spam and you’re using hestia
mossy zinc
Pew pew pew pew.
coarse acorn
That
coarse acorn
I'm happy i switched to wasd dash a few days ago
mossy zinc
Also use your Special.
coarse acorn
I think Hestia runs pos dash, but im probably wrong
mossy zinc
How hard is dc to do on beo
Beowulf with DC2 and nothing else is difficulty 0.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Tidal Dash is something you can take, yeah.
coarse acorn
You just hit an additional time coming out of dash strike?
Like, dash strike strike rush instead of dash strike rush?
mossy zinc
Something like that, I guess.
No reason to take it at anything below somewhere in the high 50s anyway.
Just slows you down unnecessarily.
Snow Burst would help with it.
Also something like Drunken Strike, for example.
coarse acorn
I'll ignore the pins then
mossy zinc
The pinned message suggests DC2 for Eris and Chiron specifically. Although general concensus is that DC2 is not really recommended for Chiron because it negates your Attack damage entirely. That suggestion for Chiron was already controversial when Schadenfreude wrote it, but it's his guide, and he felt that it was good, so he included it.
flat flicker
if i need 2 more heat, is RI or AP preferable
mossy zinc
Never been a huge fan of that guide myself, but he made quite a few changes to it after getting feedback from us. But it's not like we have hard data to tell what the best options for beginners really are.
I just disagree with some of it, like the aforementioned DC2 Chiron suggestion.
flat flicker
Never been a huge fan of that guide myself, but he made quite a few changes to i...
thats the beauty of a game like this - after a year, it still isn't fully "solved"
mossy zinc
And it's unnecessarily wordy for me.
flat flicker
(it's close)
hoary pasture
if i need 2 more heat, is RI or AP preferable
Ap
mossy zinc
My own guide is literally this long.
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
hoary pasture
AP1 is much better than RI1
mossy zinc
And it's worked for quite a few people first or second try.
hoary pasture
Dark foresight too gud
And other stuff too, rerolls will help you with AP
And epic boons are epic boons
flat flicker
word. yeah, tryin to push a bit of heat
mossy zinc
But anyway, that's just my personal opinion. The guide isn't bad really. And it's always good to hear different views and experiences and then see how it compares to your own experiences.
flat flicker
kind of in the limbo where i can do 28 consistently barring a total meltdown fail
been doing a bunch of js3 em4 at 24 as a goof
coarse acorn
I've been using the passive heal over dark heal lately
flat flicker
but ap and ri scary
flat flicker
I've been using the passive heal over dark heal lately
yeah, thats what you should be using, tho at high heat you probably have LC4 on and then it just doesnt matter
mossy zinc
@flat flicker haven't you done 40+ already?
flat flicker
<@!697579549923213352> haven't you done 40+ already?
i did two 40s, Rama and Eris
and im trying to figure out what to replace DC2 with on that 40 pact
hoary pasture
What aspect
mossy zinc
Those are your two best aspects?
Can you play every aspect comfortably or do you main certain aspects?
hoary pasture
This is what I use for everything honestly
But you might not like FO2 on everything
mossy zinc
I like CF2 JS1 over that, I think, but it's definitely either that or AP1 for me at 40, yeah.
coarse acorn
I'm quite scared of taking any ranks in vf for some reason
I'll try it tho, if it's very bad I'll see if it's the least evil option
mossy zinc
VF?
hoary pasture
Might've meant CF?
mossy zinc
Venience Fee.
coarse acorn
Right
Thx
Time to experience hades like I'm new again:constantly dying
Lucky tooth gets disabled by lc 4 right
coarse acorn
Im booting up
mossy zinc
No, Lucky Tooth works fine.
hoary pasture
Lucky tooth gets disabled by lc 4 right
It doesnt get affected by it
mossy zinc
No real point in going for Lucky Tooth anyway at 32 unless you're going for EM4 for some reason.
hoary pasture
Acorn 2gud
mossy zinc
Yeah.
coarse acorn
My acorn is lvl 1
hoary pasture
Or an offensive keepsake if you're memeing too hard
mossy zinc
Well, it can help if you're scared of EM3 Asterius miniboss and are just praying to see Patroclus, I suppose.
bronze rapids
I find sometimes even with EM4, acorn is decent
bronze rapids
esp when I get hit before the spawns
mossy zinc
I find sometimes even with EM4, acorn is decent
Yes, but just too much RNG with adds, yeah.
hoary pasture
I take Acorn if I have a DD usually on EM4
coarse acorn
~~esp when I get hit before the spawns~~ <:dusa:522248771409543188>
I was just gonna make that joke
mossy zinc
It's no joke.
Dad hits hard.
Not funny. 
Zagreus: "Daddy, where are you? You're off-screen. I can't see you."
Hades: throws spear
Abusive parenting.
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
The funny part is that would be one SD down if you were using Guan Yu.
coarse acorn
**Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide**
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
<:c...
This actually doesn't look too bad
bronze rapids
hoary pasture
it would probably be sd down on anything without patty lol
coarse acorn
Apparantelly i quit mid run one sec
bronze rapids
also we talk about EM4 adds, but vanilla dad also has archers
dapper schooner
No real point in going for Lucky Tooth anyway at 32 unless you're going for EM4 ...
ig if youre scared of ely BP2 rooms tooth ely is fine?
bronze rapids
cookies and cream dad
mossy zinc
ig if youre scared of ely BP2 rooms tooth ely is fine?
No.
It'll just eat your DD anyway, and who wants that.
hoary pasture
I really dislike Ely tooth for some reason
dapper schooner
though they shouldnt be too bad if you dont have both FO2 and HL5
mossy zinc
Yeah, that too.
dapper schooner
It'll just eat your DD anyway, and who wants that. <:squirtooh:45691342724018996...
just play DDless
athena definitely wants me to
mossy zinc
This actually doesn't look too bad
See? 130 characters, 20 words + 1 emoji, 4 lines. And a 99.9%(?) success rate.
Peak efficiency.
dapper schooner
See? 130 characters, 20 words + 1 emoji, 4 lines. And a 99.9%(?) success rate. <...
i think that last statistic is made up
mossy zinc
Can you prove it?
bronze rapids
87.6% of statistics are made up on the spot anyway
dapper schooner
i can just throw 10 runs with that build to disprove it
dapper schooner
the entire 0.1% of losses are just me?
dapper schooner
man looks like im just a bad gamer
mossy zinc
To some people, you're just a bad gamer.
dapper schooner
sorry for doubting the build
mossy zinc
To me, you're just a statistic.
dapper schooner
mossy zinc
m pretty sure this is what Red means when she sings we're all just 0s and 1s.
0.1%.
See?
Prophetic.
Some players are more 0s than others.
flat flicker
Can you play every aspect comfortably or do you main certain aspects?
my tier list: rama eris S tier, beowulf achilles A tier, arthur, GY, zeus, every other bow, demeter, lucifer
S tier = 40 heat
A= 36
the others = 32
coarse acorn
Welp, checking the mirror, then I'll start my first 32
Attempt
Not really first. First serious one tho
And im off!
mossy zinc
my tier list: rama eris S tier, beowulf achilles A tier, arthur, GY, zeus, every...
What about speed?
flat flicker
What about speed?
td3 on all
mossy zinc
Looking at your most recent victory screen, you can probably learn a lot of fundamentals by just pushing every weapon down to sub 12 and then maybe every aspect, too.
And maybe go for 45 or a little higher with Rama and Eris.
hoary pasture
50 
mossy zinc
50 is probably doable with some decent luck, but 45 is a bit more in reach and can learn a lot from that for higher heats.
coarse acorn
WELP. probs timing out in tartarus
mossy zinc
And can make going down to 32 on any aspect after that feel like you're playing on easy mode.
mossy zinc
WELP. probs timing out in tartarus
You're pausing the game when making decisions like what exit to take, right?
Anyway if you time out, just go again. Not the end of the world.
coarse acorn
yea, sadly i got good natural gods
mossy zinc
Plus, you can time out and still make it. You'll just take 5 damage every second once you're out of time.
Eh, rooms are gonna matter more than your build anyway. Wouldn't worry too much about it.
mossy zinc
Tartarus can sometimes just give you really bad rooms that are slow.
hoary pasture
welp, no stoppig by the keepsake box 😄
What is your current heat pb
coarse acorn
Rare crop bad on passion flare, right
mossy zinc
Yes because Beo buggy.
Top 2 picks from her are probably Snow Burst and Ravenous Will. Ravenous Will is especially nice because it adds quite a bit of damage without unlocking any boons that make it difficult to pick up Snow Burst from her later.
coarse acorn
damit. died because i made a stupid mistake
bronze rapids
welcome to high heat land
coarse acorn
yea but its like, so dumb that ill never make it again bcs its etched into my mind
hoary pasture
high heat tutorial
coarse acorn
this is very fun tho
mossy zinc
yea but its like, so dumb that ill never make it again bcs its etched into my mi...
That's what you think now.
bronze rapids
If it's trying to refresh your SD while not having one, I've done it 3 times now
bump
bronze rapids
Is (9) still a thing? Maybe with RI?
mossy zinc
(6) walk back into Lernie head slam after dashing out of it
Yay for head slam shockwave nerfs.
bronze rapids
th- the damage or the area?
coarse acorn
into the boss again
mossy zinc
Something about the hitbox, I dunno for sure.
Damage is the same as it was then.
I think it just kind of lingered for longer but the AOE is still the same?
coarse acorn
Ik
mossy zinc
Or something like that.
coarse acorn
But i got TO the boss with time left
mossy zinc
So long as you can make it out of Tartarus with a pixel of HP, you can revive before the next fight to heal back to 30%.
So when you see you can kill her with your next Attack or Dragon-Rush or whatever, just kill her.
Doesn't matter too much if you take damage in the process.
Typically.
mossy zinc
Is (9) still a thing? Maybe with RI?
Less so now, but certainly still possible.
flat flicker
Looking at your most recent victory screen, you can probably learn a lot of fund...
yeah, im still in "man i hope i get patty and a two sack"
sorry, work call
mossy zinc
(4) dash into 150 damage urn to avoid 20 damage skull shockwave,
This is even more of a thing now with EM4 lol.
Apologizing to your gamer friends that you were paying attention to a work call at work. True gamer moment.
flat flicker
yeehaw
flat flicker
hahaha my entire work team says yeehaw
got a guy from texas on the team
now everyone says it
mossy zinc
Talking about work with your gamer friends. Now you've truly lost all support.
flat flicker
mossy zinc
The only acceptable work talk is apologizing you got a work call and casually mentioning you're in a meeting while talking tier lists or giving advice etc.
mossy zinc
Seems like if you only did 5 attempts like you said earlier, you'd be done with your 5 attempts in ~15 minutes.
coarse acorn
yeah but i like doing this
mossy zinc
Hence why I said earlier just keep going for it lol.
mossy zinc
32 is often the point where the game is testing if you really understand how that enemy behaves or telegraphs their attack, or if you just happened to tank your way through it until now.
coarse acorn
yeah thats why its fun for me
flat flicker
The only acceptable work talk is apologizing you got a work call and casually me...
Noted
flat flicker
Yeah idk like I have the codex memorized but a sub 15 run is a fluke
Macro vs micro
mossy zinc
pos or artemis as natural room offering
Lady Artemis.
coarse acorn
i took pos. then got natural artemis. never punished
mossy zinc
Well, that works lol.
dapper schooner
Eh, rooms are gonna matter more than your build anyway. Wouldn't worry too much ...
even for heat?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
dapper schooner
with a bad build youre usually in big trouble against bosses
mossy zinc
I'd say that's pretty true until EM4.
EM4, I just focus on getting the best build for dad and don't really care about whatever is before that.
EM3.. I guess it's nasty on melee without Divine Dash, but if you just prioritize that, it's not really too bad.
dapper schooner
maybe im just not at that high of a level yet, but i feel like FO2 on EM3 heroes or non EM4 hades is still very difficult with a bad build
mossy zinc
Although melee with no damage really sucks against EM3, too.
HL5 FO2 Hades is kinda free for me unless I play dumb for no reason because I give him zero respect and don't take into account that I entered with 90 max HP or something.
coarse acorn
if i wouldnt be doing 32 rn this would be a guaranteed win
mossy zinc
if i wouldnt be doing 32 rn this would be a guaranteed win
So just do what you'd do for the guaranteed win but get hit like half as much only.
flat flicker
if i wouldnt be doing 32 rn this would be a guaranteed win
if the jets played against eastern coastal university rather than real NFL teams, they'd win all the time too
mossy zinc
Would they?
flat flicker
i sure hope so
mossy zinc
(I don't know anything football.)
flat flicker
in theory, the jets have 53 pro players, the college team has like 5 pro-worthy players
but the jets are also like
bad
mossy zinc
All I know about football is that I like the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.
flat flicker
yeah, that, the patriots cheat, and tom brady eats avocado ice cream and is playing at a high level at age 45. you are now up to speed
quartz mantle
he eats what
flat flicker
ice cream made from avocados, that was not a joke
coarse acorn
bcs epic pas flare, mirage shot setup in tartarus
flat flicker
bcs epic pas flare, mirage shot setup in tartarus
mirage shot in tartarus = you got this!
coarse acorn
oh alsso ddash
quartz mantle
you are gaming
coarse acorn
boss dead!
flat flicker
Based.gif
coarse acorn
so, im essentialy speedrunning as well rn
mossy zinc
I dunno if you are. What was the time coming out of Tartarus?
coarse acorn
4:30 or so
mossy zinc
But I guess the number of resets in Tartarus check out, at least.
coarse acorn
mirage aquired
flat flicker
Okay, no meetings for an hour - where is the video guide to get average times down from 20 to 17 at 32 heat
mossy zinc
Hmmm nope, not a speedrun. That's no sub 10 pace.
hoary pasture
That's just good pace for TD3
flat flicker
Do I need the mentality of free room always even if it’s a trial of the gods
coarse acorn
Hmmm nope, not a speedrun. That's no sub 10 pace. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
my goal for speed is sub 15. anything can be a speedrun
mossy zinc
Okay, no meetings for an hour - where is the video guide to get average times do...
It's called get sub 12 at any Heat on every weapon and then every aspect.
hoary pasture
Do I need the mentality of free room always even if it’s a trial of the gods
For what
mossy zinc
my goal for speed is sub 15. anything can be a speedrun
I mean I submitted my mirrorless 32 Heat runs to the 32 speedrun leaderboard in 1.0, so I won't disagree with that.
hoary pasture
I mean trials are usually slower than normal encounters
mossy zinc
It got a laugh out of the person who reviewed the run. Practical jokes are good.
flat flicker
Looking at your most recent victory screen, you can probably learn a lot of fund...
@hoary pasture this
She’s right
mossy zinc
Just focus on one aspect at a time. If you need help with anything like builds or whatever, ask questions.
bronze rapids
32 is often the point where the game is testing if you *really* understand how t...
I feel sometimes even at 40 I'm just mashing the dad fight with some builds
mossy zinc
Beyond that it's mainly just practice the things you probably already know, so you do fewer mistakes. Any mistake you make costs time.
flat flicker
so i feel good about how to make a build
mossy zinc
I feel sometimes even at 40 I'm just mashing the dad fight with some builds
Certainly, but you need like a base level of understanding of things to do that at 40 Heat.
flat flicker
its more the combat
hoary pasture
You can get anyheat builds at 40 so yea
mossy zinc
Well, m very confident just looking at your times there's a lot of room for improvement in your builds, too.
bronze rapids
sorry for lag, work call too
chaos shield bad, there that's the apology tier list
coarse acorn
aand again
flat flicker
sorry for lag, work call too <:dusa:522248771409543188>
chaos shield bad, there ...
maybe we were on the same call
hoary pasture
Learn layouts, get better at the managing your weapon mechanically, loading casts more efficiently etc , try to finish closer to your exits
mossy zinc
how to do it all five seconds faster
Start with just practicing a lot. If you really focus on speeding things up with one aspect, you can usually make a lot of progress pretty fast still at your current level.
hoary pasture
Download the TD4 mod
mossy zinc
And then as you progress to other aspects, you'll pick up more and more fundamentals that'll help.
flat flicker
aight. may do a few 9 heaters just to get some reps in with that
would be neat to have a sub-15 zag bow
(sub 16 is pat myself on the back at 28+ heat levels)
bronze rapids
I got 13 something Zag bow on hell mode lol
flat flicker
you take ap2
i'm like, the new guy in the cool kids club
the freshman on the varsity team
eternal hare
Bow is very poggers
flat flicker
i just got two 40s lol
hoary pasture
i just got two 40s lol
Same
bronze rapids
that just means I meme more
All my AP2 runs die nowadays
flat flicker
oh maybe im being overly critical, my runs the last few weeks have been mostly trying new things/memeing
of myself*
eternal hare
If you do want more targeted advice for getting faster regardless of your heat don't forget about the Speedrun discord as a resource
hoary pasture
Yup
mossy zinc
Lili's chamber layout guide is also excellent for all aspects. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/
dapper schooner
I feel sometimes even at 40 I'm just mashing the dad fight with some builds
wish i was better at winning dad fights at high heat
mossy zinc
Don't even need to learn every chamber. Try focusing on the ones that you waste the most time in, there are huge time saves there with good spawn manipulation.
dapper schooner
but im too used to mashing in his face on anyheat with the mindset of "kill him first and dont worry about getting hit"
bronze rapids
the good thing about hot dad is it's basically the same as not-hot dad unless you take CP or FO
I say, as I still can't dodge the spin with 1 dash
dapper schooner
the good thing about hot dad is it's basically the same as not-hot dad unless yo...
except on non hot i have 250% effective health no acorn whereas here i have 60% health + acorn
bronze rapids
tru
mossy zinc
Like... where is it...
This room right here.
You can waste a lot of time there if enemies keep spawning at the entrance.
flat flicker
ah
mossy zinc
If you stay close to the bottom traps, enemies will only spawn in the red area near you.
bronze rapids
there's a late room with lots of gaps that's even worse
flat flicker
okay, i'm gonna look through this room spawn doc
i can see how this would help for sure
coarse acorn
meg down, 11 secs left
mossy zinc
Small room that can waste a lot of time if you keep having to run back to the entrance. So you kill everything in orange first and then head to the exit and stay close to the exit to keep enemies from spawning back at the entrance. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Tartarus-12-1024x576.jpg
coarse acorn
meg down, 11 secs left
i need to be faster
mossy zinc
there's a late room with lots of gaps that's even worse
This one? Often can't do too much about getting bad spawns there, unfortunately. You just kill everything in and around the red spawn area first and then move to the exit and stay there until everything is dead. And hopefully nothing spawned in the red area and you can just move to the exit right away to keep enemies from spawning anywhere but the orange area. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Tartarus-13-1024x576.jpg
But if you get like unarmored Witches there in the red area, it wastes a lot of time.
Pretty sure I've reset some speedruns there when that happened.
flat flicker
This is super helpful, thank you
mossy zinc
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Tartarus-19-1536x864.jpg
Yeah, also kind of a bad one where you can't do anything really to prevent spawns near the entrace. But if you know that, you can save time but not pushing too far ahead and missing spawns near the entrance.
bronze rapids
Mmmm
dapper schooner
But if you get like unarmored Witches there in the red area, it wastes a lot of ...
getting unarmoured witches in any room wastes a lot of time anyways
coarse acorn
that was a stupid mistake
mossy zinc
I've definitely reset a bunch in that room, too, when unarmored Witches happened.
coarse acorn
but hilarious
mossy zinc
~~getting unarmoured witches in any room wastes a lot of time anyways~~
Very true, but in chambers where they're bunched up, it's not as bad as something like the last one where they spawn across the whole length of the room and all stick to the walls and you have to kill them one by one lol.
bronze rapids
I really need to stop taking TD and just admire the artwork
mossy zinc
Why not both?
bronze rapids
well I'd be dead
mossy zinc
Environmental art appreciation speedrun.
dapper schooner
well I'd be dead
just take TD1-2 or something
mossy zinc
that was a stupid mistake
Have you tried not doing those?
bronze rapids
like hollow knight grass % where you have to break all the pots and columns once
mossy zinc
Your reports would be more descriptive if you described what you did wrong beyond "mistake".
bronze rapids
:hypnos:
mossy zinc
like hollow knight grass % where you have to break all the pots and columns once
So basically the Legend of Persephone challenge.
bronze rapids
with columns on top, yes
mossy zinc
Why are the columns on top?
bronze rapids
but will that be environmental art appreciation, or depreciation?
mossy zinc
Aren't they supposed to be below to support the structure?
bronze rapids
cause they collapse above the urn debris
pretty sure the top part of columns are more toppy than the top of the urns
mossy zinc
That... makes perfect sense, yes. I can't disagree with that logic.
mossy zinc
just take TD1-2 or something
Would that be TD-1?
coarse acorn
aaaand again
mossy zinc
TD-1. Your enemies have 9 minutes per biome to defeat you.
coarse acorn
Your reports would be more descriptive if you described what you did wrong beyon...
aspodhel lava reset with no sd left
mossy zinc
mossy zinc
If it's trying to refresh your SD while not having one, I've done it 3 times now
Prophetic.
bronze rapids
mossy zinc
I would tell you how many times I've done that if I could remember.
bronze rapids
#notgamerenough
coarse acorn
in aspodhel again
mossy zinc
#notgamerenough
m so gamer, it's impossible to gauge how much gamer.
coarse acorn
is pas flare still the best option on 32?
hoary pasture
I mean you seem to be dying often so I would say so yea
You need that dmg reduction
mossy zinc
You're not losing because of Passion Flare, if that's what you're asking.
coarse acorn
no ik
im srry caps
just wondering
why do i keep getting room 1 hammers on the weapon that doesnt want a room 1 hammer
cursive portal
why doesnt beo want room 1 hammer