h1-high-heat-strategies

[hoary pasture]

DC is aspect dependent

[jaunty falcon]

And CF

[hoary pasture]

Everything is cursed tbh play on 0 heat

[hardy garden]

ngl cf2 is ouch

[pseudo flame]

lol i think i see lots of people pick that for 32 heat

[hoary pasture]

Well it’s technically fine since it doesn’t make enemies tougher

And some people cant handle FO2 HS and sometimes TD3 so they are kinda desperate for heat at that point

[pseudo flame]

HL5, LC4, JS3, EM4, BP, MM, UC, FO2, HS, TD3, let's see the heat is...

cant turn game on now atm

[hardy garden]

i just take cf0 at 40 heat now tbh. need them fodder boons. yeah its dependent on how well you dont die

[hoary pasture]

I do aswell

[hoary pasture]

JS3 is P A I N

[hardy garden]

https://hadesheat.onrender.com/

[hoary pasture]

You’ll time out

With EM4

[hardy garden]

em4*

[pseudo flame]

ah thx

[hoary pasture]

Yea EM4 puts pressure over everything else

[hardy garden]

get rid of em4 and it isnt cursed

[hoary pasture]

But like on it’s own we still avoid it

[pseudo flame]

what about JS?

[hoary pasture]

At 50 heat

[hardy garden]

well not horrible

when you dont have cp2 or em4

[hoary pasture]

JS1 JS2 can be fine

[pseudo flame]

so

HL5, LC4, JS2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, HS, TD3

[hardy garden]

tbh cursedness with run length increasing pacts does come down to experience

[hardy garden]

comfy

[hoary pasture]

Comfy yes

[pseudo flame]

only get u to 39 heat XD

not even 40 lol

[hoary pasture]

CF1

DC is aspect reliant

[pseudo flame]

well

[hoary pasture]

You can start taking a few cursed things

[pseudo flame]

i'm thinking about a pact that can work comfy for ALL aspects

[hoary pasture]

Yea then that’s it

I guess

[hardy garden]

yeah that plus cf1 or dc1 then

[mossy zinc]

40 is also quite different from 32. Something that can be a great choice for 32 can be not-so-great when you add other pacts into the mix.

[hardy garden]

yeah true too

[pseudo flame]

HL5, LC4, CF1, JS2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, HS, TD3

exactly 40 heat and comfy 😄

[hoary pasture]

I would still take CF2 over JS1 but sure

[pseudo flame]

and curse-free!

[hardy garden]

i wouldnt

[hoary pasture]

[hardy garden]

i appreciate being able to buy fodder boons

[hoary pasture]

Understandable

[jaunty falcon]

HS and comfy do not belong in the same sentence together

[hoary pasture]

Comfy is really reliant on your experience

[hardy garden]

just dont step in pots. ez

also hs = time save

[jaunty falcon]

True, why didn’t I think of that?

[pseudo flame]

well, then i guess it's not even 40-45

it's actually more like 39 heat

[jaunty falcon]

Numbers are arbitrary

[hardy garden]

dont need to stand in lava as much to proc stubborn defiance

[pseudo flame]

or even 38-39

[hoary pasture]

That’s more reasonable

[hardy garden]

and one elysium egg = 75 damage

[pseudo flame]

also, for real

[hardy garden]

its 75 right

[pseudo flame]

if non EM4 and u still die to Hades pot 😦

prolly not ready to take on 32+ anyway

[hoary pasture]

We all die to pots once in a while

[pseudo flame]

once in a while sure

[mossy zinc]

I agree.

You all die to pots once in a while.

[pseudo flame]

and TD3 too i imagine if u got unlucky 5 Styx with unmod

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-vma-better-better-than-you-gif-5927359

[hoary pasture]

[hardy garden]

yeah some aspects are just a lot more inconsistent with td3 especially unmodded

[mossy zinc]

FailerV1 wrote a guide that should help you with the dying-to-pots.

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[hoary pasture]

Chaos shield

[hardy garden]

zag spear, gilga, arthur, etc

[hoary pasture]

That’s a good guide

[pseudo flame]

i guess that RNG heat is cursed O_O

HL5, LC1, CF2, JS2, EM2, CP2, MM, UC, FO1, HS. RI3, DC2 TD1

[hoary pasture]

It’s fun

[pseudo flame]

nope, it has TD

and tbh, i did have a hard time to ignore the fish and chests XD

also, FO1, i still find it difficult on some sword/fist

especially if BP gives speed to some enemies

[mossy zinc]

I still do troves and rescue fishies with TD3 when I feel like it.

[hardy garden]

eh td2 is good enough

[mossy zinc]

If you time out with TD3 at like 45 or below with a decent pact, it's pretty much never due to RNG.

[hardy garden]

ri3

[pseudo flame]

it was the RNG pact lol

[hoary pasture]

I thought fishies stop the timer

[mossy zinc]

So you generally want to look at your strategy and tactics and maybe just need more practice.

[pseudo flame]

well u gotta dash to the fish

[hardy garden]

well youre still wasting some time running to the fish and back

[mossy zinc]

Rescuing fishies is never a waste of time.

Only a monster would say.

[pseudo flame]

"rescue" eh?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[hoary pasture]

Lol

[pseudo flame]

and those u got at the surface

u brought them straight to the underworld..

[hoary pasture]

To eat them

[mossy zinc]

It's canon that the head chef takes good care of them.

They're all still in the aquarium and cared for.

[hoary pasture]

But he chops them and cooks them

[mossy zinc]

Not the fishies.

[hardy garden]

thats a big aquarium

[mossy zinc]

Apparently.

Probably enchanted by Poseidon.

[hoary pasture]

[pseudo flame]

HL5, LC4, JS2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, TD3

would this be considered an "easy" heat 32?

assuming the player knows most of the time skip trick and has full mirror and companion

[cursive portal]

"time skip trick"

wat

[pseudo flame]

pause to decide room, skip trove and fish

lots of people attempting 32 heat still did those things lol, at least on twitch

[cursive portal]

Yeah shouldnt be a problem

[pseudo flame]

believe it or not, seem like people love to jump from 16 to 32 and got stuck with pact choice

[cursive portal]

if you're struggling with time dont put JS2 on lol

[pseudo flame]

well it depends on the streamers i suppose

[hardy garden]

maybe cf2 instead of js2

[cursive portal]

CF2 is worse

[pseudo flame]

CF is "cursed"! 😄

and personally i would ask them do TD0 and SR for first time

[hardy garden]

cf1 js1

[cursive portal]

just dont go into traps then HS is free

[pseudo flame]

but let's assume they really hate TD3 and want TD2

any suggestion?

to allocate the 3 heat

[cursive portal]

aspect dependant

Theres no clear objectivity

[pseudo flame]

it is hard to tell, so pick 3 that would be fine for most

[cursive portal]

CF1 JS1 HS

Or DC2

Again

Aspect dependant

[hardy garden]

idk rama ap1 dc2 get rid of 1 heat somewhere else. more rng but easier

[cursive portal]

Yeah rama doesnt meed much

Just hunter dash and a nice attack

(not including hammers)

[pseudo flame]

btw

JS0 CP2 DC0

would this still be hard for TD3?

something like this

HL5, LC4, EM3, CP2, BP2, MM, UC, TD3

[hoary pasture]

Yes

EM4 CP2 is very tough

[pseudo flame]

oops EM3 i mean

[hoary pasture]

It’s still pain, it’s up to how good you are at clearing rooms, you can keep up with it, I’ve cleared CP2 50 Heat Beo in 19 minutes so

It’s just generally not advised

[pseudo flame]

ic

[hoary pasture]

With a lv2 cast

And yea it depends on your boons and build and other stuff like room rng

[pseudo flame]

hmmm it is a bit hard to decide a 32 heat that works for all weapons

[mossy zinc]

Well.

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

That still has the best success rate when newer players are trying to do their first 32 Heat.

At least from what I've seen here.

[pseudo flame]

and this works for all weapons?

well, as long as it works for all Zag aspects i suppose that's fine too

[gaunt fiber]

Pinned messages

Lot of infos

32 heat usually revolves around being able to play against FO2 and being good enough at bosses because you're running SD

You can lower FO but I would not if you plan to go further

[pseudo flame]

lol yeah that streamer i watched yesterday try FO2 with arthur

i was like, lol hf

[gaunt fiber]

FO2 is rough at first

For sure

[pseudo flame]

u can't predict a person's skill level, though lots of people wanna jump

16 is like, easy with their best weapons

32, then they lost their minds

[gaunt fiber]

Skill level is hard to tell

Because you can have the knowledge and be good enough

But if you don't get the clear there's no proof

And if you miss by the tiniest mistake while a slightly better build would have done it

Same story

"non optimized" pacts can be really challenging too

Not all 32 are equal, and same for higher heats

[pseudo flame]

i do have a question about AP2

[jaunty falcon]

Ask away

[pseudo flame]

so i know AP2 mess up ur build a lot

but what if u just tell people to use shackle all the way to Hades and not purge anything?

the FF would still give decent % bonus dmg, right?

[jaunty falcon]

We do, on some aspects

[pseudo flame]

even if u dun have atk special cast boon

[jaunty falcon]

Having shackle on prevents the use of a defensive keepsake though

[pseudo flame]

but 5 points are a lot for 32 heat

[gaunt fiber]

you don't need them

[jaunty falcon]

You can get insane builds at 32 heat, so insane that dying doesn’t become an issue

[pseudo flame]

just wondering if 32 heat AP2 could still be easy if you use shackle

[jaunty falcon]

Attack/special/cast boons aren’t everything

You’re basically saying goodbye to hammers, chaos and Hermes

And all t2s

[pseudo flame]

well hermes boon still benefit FF, right?

[jaunty falcon]

They do

But I’d rather have +3 dashes than common swift flourish

And getting +3 dashes is a lot easier with AP0

[hoary pasture]

You can also get forced into an attack boon

If you have AP2 and no rerolls

Your shackle becomes useless

[pseudo flame]

in that case, would tell the person to switch shackle

shackle is more like an insurance in case they did not get atk/spec/cast

because of AP2 of course

[mossy zinc]

Yeah. A couple ones you might want to start Thunder Signet instead, but still works.

Strategy of that guide is just simply that gives you good damage and Weak from the start and easy access to Life Affirmation, more damage reduction, Smoldering Air, etc... and then the Owl Pendant in Asphodel gets you Divine Dash and a good chance for 1-2 DDs.

It mainly just takes a bit of practice to do TD3 on a 2-sack or 3-sack. More consistent, of course, if you're good enough to do it with a 5-sack, but that's not required if you just want to get the win.

It keeps encounters and boss fights easy without touching RNG pacts or pacts that can really hurt your clear speed.

[honest kernel]

any guides for 50 heat

[hoary pasture]

I don't think there is a general guide for that, is there something specific you're struggling with?

[honest kernel]

i reached the heroes then ran out of time

[hoary pasture]

What aspect and pact are you running?

[honest kernel]

Ive reached them with rama and lucier my pact is everything max routine inspection -6 jury summons and calisthenics at 0

hellmode is nice for 50 heat

you can also take jury summons on rama instead of uh

td3 maybe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/836135849623945246/unknown.png

[hoary pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/903221190552862770/rama50.png

This was mine, comfier in terms of JS and CP but you have some time pressure

also

ap2

[hardy garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/906334814477619210/Hades_11_5_2021_5_09_56_PM.png

cp gross

[hoary pasture]

idk about you

but that looks like relentless first hammer

👀

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/900949074121990234/Hades_2021-10-21_20-27-29_Moment.jpg

[hardy garden]

i uh forgot to switch it to twin

[hoary pasture]

never punished

[hardy garden]

special rama

[hoary pasture]

triple tidal dash meta

[hardy garden]

neither of these victory screens are cursed in the slightest

[quartz mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/901116438172024872/unknown.png?width=838&height=473

If we're just posting 50 heat Rama pacts

I will offer mine

[eternal hare]

I'll write a guide eventually 👀

[honest kernel]

best to show than talk about pacts

[quartz mantle]

True

[mossy zinc]

What are these cursed RI, AP2, and RI AP2 pacts.

[quartz mantle]

By that definition mine is the only non-cursed one

[mossy zinc]

Indeed.

[honest kernel]

em4 scary

[mossy zinc]

Not so scary if you have boons.

[quartz mantle]

Ye my mentality is buff myself and the enemies

If I have the proper build to handle the harder enemies then I'm vibing

[mossy zinc]

That's my 51 Heat pact but PL instead of CF2.

[quartz mantle]

Rather than nerfing myself and keeping the enemies weaker

[hardy garden]

ap2 is free heat wdym

[cursive portal]

based

[honest kernel]

damn you had jury summons on 60% i cant stand jury summons

i would do 50 heat on hell mode but i just 100% my file wiith all achievements kind of sucks that you gotta start fresh for hell mode

[hoary pasture]

There is a completed file you could download from https://www.speedrun.com/hades

You can also mod your game using the 1.1.1 modpack to toggle hellmode on your normal file

[hardy garden]

speedrunning modpack stonks

[hardy garden]

are you on steam?

[honest kernel]

Series x

[hardy garden]

well no modpack then

honestly though this is a bit of a cop out. 50 heat is kinda just a mess of having choosing a lot of cursed pact options which can and will make you time out or make the game insanely difficult. so unless youre one of those players with a ton of hours into the game and experience with the heat, rng is just gunna be a large factor unmodded and throw out a lot of runs.

[honest kernel]

what are mod packs

[hardy garden]

well just a couple of mods put together used for speedrunning and high heat that increase run consistency by giving you the option of guaranteeing that your first boon and hammer are ones you want and that styx will give you a sack in the second tunnel

[hoary pasture]

It also removes some minibosses like Asterius and Vermin

All those things are configurable tho

[flat flicker]

Basically gives you the best chance to succeed. It’s still hard, don’t get me wrong, but even em4 isn’t quite as scary if you can reliably have patty and a two sack every time

patty and the two sack needs to be a band name. Anyone here patty and can sing

[hardy garden]

hl5 fo2 em4 is sus in general

[flat flicker]

dad sussy baka

[swift slate]

I appreciate y’all help 🙏🏼 finally got 32

Just posted the build in victory boasting

[flat flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[hardy garden]

why are your attack and special switched also that pact is just a tad bit cursed

[swift slate]

I used
HL2 LC2 EM3 CP1 BP2 MM UC RI2 AP1 TD 3

[hoary pasture]

Just a tad bit

Congrats either way, win’s a win

[swift slate]

I just ended up getting it that way, but it realllly worked out with the kinetic launcher . Also Why’s it cursed lmao

[hardy garden]

even a time pb. yeah routine inspections really makes it a lot

more difficult

routine inspections just makes getting a good build way harder is the problem

[hoary pasture]

You also have AP1

[hardy garden]

ap1 isnt horrible but yeah still mot something id want

btw how many death defiances did you go into the hades fight with?

[honest kernel]

damn that sounds nice

[hoary pasture]

Yea the combo of AP1 and RI isn’t too pleasant

[honest kernel]

even if i get to styx RNG can cuck me

[swift slate]

For mirror stuff I felt like just the defiance, extra cast, and and extra dash were really essential.

AP1 did makes things pretty annoying won’t lie

[hardy garden]

yeah tbh the game just isnt designed with really high heat or speedrunning in mind

[swift slate]

Went in with 2, and 124 health. I also had that duo boon that heals as a backup

[hoary pasture]

You could probably be fine with Stubborn Defiance

[hardy garden]

hmm with cleaner bossfights its easier to use stubborn defiance with lc4

yeah your build wasnt that great so with a better build and patty then sd lc4 would be possible

[swift slate]

I felt I had no chance with stubborn defiance lowkey

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/905184458989269052/Hades_2021-11-02_12-59-05_Moment.jpg

its much easier to get busted builds like this without ri2

[swift slate]

I think having the keys’ perk with giving a roll kinda offset not starting with those chances

And kinda offset having boons narrowed down

[hardy garden]

no dark foresight hurts a lot more than you think though

especially when youre forced to sell then with uc

[swift slate]

I was wondering why tf I was getting so many keys and gems lmao

[hardy garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/887920652894490654/efd53326-5c58-4514-8ca8-011f00534ddb.png

[hoary pasture]

Yea compare your ss with this

[hardy garden]

like see this is the build i had for my first fists 32

[hoary pasture]

You have a lot less boons

Look at this guy he has like 40 boons

Even pommed the cast instead

[hardy garden]

also with stubborn defiance, you can still get extra dd's from athena

[hoary pasture]

What a gamer

[hardy garden]

and bringing patty buff into the dad fight is like having two extra death defiances

[swift slate]

Sheeesh

[quartz mantle]

Mods don’t guarantee patty but yea 2 sacks mean if you get him you’re keeping him for the fight barring some extreme edge cases

[flat flicker]

I’m not clear on the specifics, my bad if I made something up. But patty or not 2 sack better than more than 2 sack

gaming

[quartz mantle]

Big if true

[honest kernel]

whats a good heat setup and boon build for 32 heat arthur

[shy plinth]

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

[bronze rapids]

+ CF2 can be swapped to DC2 if rail or fists can't read sorry

[hardy garden]

can also go aphro into zeus call for smouldering air if you get athena in tartarus

[shy plinth]

This is for Arthur

So do not do dc

[hardy garden]

cf2 can also be swapped for cf1 js1

[bronze rapids]

woops

[shy plinth]

Arthur should be fine with js1

I generally prefer fo2 over hl at 32 but Arthur has health and mitigation and doesn't love fast

But it shouldn't matter too much at 32

Whatever you're comfortable with

[bronze rapids]

Like FO2 HL0?

[shy plinth]

Fo2 cf0 hl1

[hardy garden]

@honest kernel

[honest kernel]

ty

[flat flicker]

fo1 ok imo

fo2 makes me sadge

[shy plinth]

It's worth getting used to

But it is challenging, especially at first

Makes boss fights non trivial again

[bronze rapids]

FO2 is not just bosses but generics too

[shy plinth]

I honestly felt the elites more at fo1

Fo2 is no joke overall but lernie asterius and dad all really jumped up

[radiant oriole]

how much heat does personal liability add?

[shy plinth]

1

[cursive portal]

That 1 is actually huge

[honest kernel]

Isn’t it 5?

[hardy garden]

hell mode is 5 in total but 4 is from hl1, lc1, js1, cp1

then 1 from pl adds to 5

[pseudo flame]

i think it stands out more with weapons u're not used to, like sword/fist in my case

[hardy garden]

https://imgur.com/a/wRowN8c so apparently you can even reroll doors during a trove

[pseudo flame]

i wonder if u would go immune the moment u reroll

or could just die when u do that lol

[mossy zinc]

Rare photograph of Gods' Pride gods-priding. https://i.imgur.com/rDh93li.png

We're building. https://i.imgur.com/gJ3s6lk.png

Still gods-priding. https://i.imgur.com/4hACLIF.png

[blazing pine]

epic rd mmm juicy

better than any duo

[mossy zinc]

https://i.imgur.com/XCEXXxk.png

Only Lady Demeter betrayed me.

Well, she offered an epic Rare Crop.

I guess that's fair.

Betrayal. https://i.imgur.com/50zQWXb.png

[dapper schooner]

she wouldnt even have offered me snow burst in the first place

[mossy zinc]

TFW Lv.2 Cast, no epic boons, no Mirage Shot, no Snow Burst.

[flat flicker]

You’re probably gonna win anyway

[mossy zinc]

No, I timed out lol.

[flat flicker]

[hoary pasture]

Nyaanyaa practicing EM4 is a sight to behold

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[mossy zinc]

m just going up in Heat 1 by 1 with EM4 on.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary pasture]

Hopefully you get to 50

[mossy zinc]

Maybe I'll skip 50.

[dapper schooner]

straight to 51 then

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/908017156388696084/1640.png

pain

its nem

just needed an athena core

[cursive portal]

[mossy zinc]

Dazed — Today at 6:15 PM
ive tried 40 heat twice with some of my better weapons and lost both times tho :[
@dapper schooner time for attempt #3, then.

And then #4 if necessary.

[dapper schooner]

tomorrow

[dapper schooner]

i did it on the 4th attempt

also honestly EM3 heroes might be harder than hades with shield since its not too difficult to just lame out hades by throwing zoos special and then sitting in bullrush

[hardy garden]

time for 40 heat all weps

[dapper schooner]

im sure thats gonna go great considering i havent even gone past 16 on fists and sword

[hardy garden]

time for 32 heat sword and fists then

nemesis = stonks

[dapper schooner]

and demeter reset simulator until ME

[hardy garden]

or do funny zeus aphro stuff

[dapper schooner]

AP2 fists sounds terrible lol

how do people manage 50 heat fists

[dapper schooner]

smouldering air my beloved

[hardy garden]

smouldering air plus second wind on zag fists stonks

[mossy zinc]

See, that's what I knew would happen, that's why I only went up to #4.

You just gotta have faith in me having faith in you.

[hardy garden]

wait so since you can get 100% dodge chance permanently with zag fists, plume, second wind, greater evasion and smouldering, with divine protection cant you survive td3 indefinitely pretty much afk except from using ur call

well until you move into the next chamber

proud bearing tho

[mossy zinc]

Not entirely sure how Divine Protection interacts with Dodge.

Potentially.

[gaunt fiber]

I feel like dodge would have priority because it still triggers when you block with a shield

Not sure though, you should test and tell us

The other way being just having divine protection and not getting hit

[hardy garden]

tryna get all those boons at the same time

[bronze rapids]

another 62 Zeus submission

[hoary pasture]

Spicy one

[bronze rapids]

~30s faster than the other 62 Zeus yeah

[eternal hare]

Yea damue is nuts

Has an intense variety of 60s too

[bronze rapids]

they mentioned you in 1 of the comment replies lol

[eternal hare]

Oh what 👀

[cursive portal]

[bronze rapids]

the comment was saying how ykc is probably thinking of rolling for 60 heat speedruns now

[cursive portal]

lmao

[eternal hare]

that is a little too intense for me with all the rng involved haha

[bronze rapids]

and their reply is like
I already have 4 spots in the 60 heat speedrun, gonna duel ocaml in sub 15
(60速通我已经提前占好4个坑位了 和ocaml进15分决赛圈)

not too sure since I'm not fluent in CHN gamer lingo

[eternal hare]

yeah that's some intense gamer grind energy right there if you start to look towards speedy 60s

I don't have any intention of even trying for that kind of time right now...

[bronze rapids]

lol they might also be joking since they said somewhere else they're not gonna do anymore 60+

I feel like a spy lmao

[eternal hare]

it's already tough enough to get a single clear so the thought of being consistent enough to consider pushing times is just wild

don't feel like a spy! they already know everything we're up to anyway in the speedrunning discord

[bronze rapids]

at that point it feels like, just try to survive and get whatever time you get

I really want to poke into the Chinese hades groups but it'll involve somehow getting a QQ account which is really hard if you don't have a China phone number

[eternal hare]

they seem really intense

[bronze rapids]

idk whether it's a cultural thing, or a population thing

ie if x% of people become hardcore gamers, the number goes up in places with more people to begin with

[pseudo flame]

China had a lot of restrictions, like youtube ban

[cursive portal]

Atleast the vods are still preserved on bilibili and stuff

[pseudo flame]

by government, so not really sure if it's a cultural thing

[bronze rapids]

I mean the fact that there are a lot of hardcore gamers

[eternal hare]

could be a bit of both

culturally I get the sense they don't see as much of the appeal in speedrunning but are really big on challenge gaming

[pseudo flame]

Chinese is the world first to claim unseed 62, right?

[bronze rapids]

first and second as of yesterday

[bronze rapids]

yeah I see that in hollow knight too

[eternal hare]

like if you compare the ratio of top speedrunners vs high-heat runners it's pretty skewed

[pseudo flame]

maybe that's why the route thing exists?

[cursive portal]

tbh

[pseudo flame]

after all, if people just aims to beat Hades fast, no reason to touch 64

[bronze rapids]

plus that they all play unseeded

[faint glen]

im stuck trying different combos for 32 heat, should i go with hard labor or jury summons? i really dont wanna have both but hard labor even at 60-80% is hitting me hard

[pseudo flame]

JS would not impact boss fight

[faint glen]

even with arthur dmg reduct

[bronze rapids]

the standard is max hard labor, aim to kill everything before they touch you, and take Stubborn Defiance so you don't mind being hit too much

[pseudo flame]

HL would

but more enemies could screw up ur time if u use TD

[bronze rapids]

if you really like JS you need a good crowd control weapon like Zeus/Rama/Eris etc

[faint glen]

stubborn defiance instead of DD? what about boss fights though

hades would suck without a dd wouldnt it

[bronze rapids]

don't get hit, and hope for Pat

Pat's first option now lets SD basically fill you to full

[pseudo flame]

but i guess it also depends on ur pact as a whole?

[bronze rapids]

so if you die on the pre-sack chamber you have 2 full bars and then some, thanks to Acorn

[pseudo flame]

what's ur set up anyway?

[faint glen]

i can dm you it since i dont think i can send pictures here

[bronze rapids]

host it somewhere and paste the link

[pseudo flame]

i'll type out his set up

HL4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, DC2, TD3

i guess with arthur, u would be taking hit all the time?

[hoary pasture]

Remove dc

[faint glen]

unless i get the 45% larger aoe hammer thats a given yea

[hoary pasture]

Arthur and dc don’t go together

[faint glen]

what do i sub out with then

[hoary pasture]

You have TD3 so Jury summons is a bad idea

You can put LC4

And remove CF

[pseudo flame]

ugh TD pact again XD

[faint glen]

how bad is LC4

[hoary pasture]

Basically HL4 LC4 EM3 MM UC FO1 TD3

[faint glen]

never ran with that modifier

[hoary pasture]

And Bp2

It’s not too bad

Takes some getting used

[hardy garden]

lc4 is fine if you get patty. extra fine if you get athena dd's

[hoary pasture]

Needs decent boss fights

[faint glen]

worth it to pick up dionysus along the way then for his heal after encounter boons?

[pseudo flame]

about no CF, i wanna ask

[faint glen]

or are those also affected badly

[pseudo flame]

how'd u spend the money on?

[hoary pasture]

They are affected, Strong Drink and After party wont heal you

[faint glen]

you askin me or mike

[hoary pasture]

Neither will nourished soul

[faint glen]

yikes

[pseudo flame]

those who suggested no CF2

[bronze rapids]

UC fodder, attack/special buffs, etc

touch of styx

[pseudo flame]

i assume they have a particulaar strat on how to spend money

[hoary pasture]

There is no particular strat, you spend money on anything that’s useful literally

Boon/Health/poms

Well items

[pseudo flame]

well u can rule out hp since most also suggest LC4

[hoary pasture]

It’s up to your decision making and experience to prioritize things accordingly

HP is centaur hearts

Not hp from wells

[pseudo flame]

which brings me the question

[mossy zinc]

Routed exists because people have fun doing routes. Why are you preoccupied with how other people are having fun in a single player game?

I don't personally care for routed runs too much, but I don't go on questioning why people do it.

Let people have fun.

[pseudo flame]

i tend to not used any coins during mid-shop and pick the non-charon room b4 boss

and just save up for Styx

as for well, unless i have hourglass, seems like most things hardly matter other than SD upgrade or DD

[honest kernel]

buying boons or health early in the shop is extremly high value they are more expensive in styx

also if ur already in styx your build is good

cast aspects esp want money on poms and extra casts

[flat flicker]

Wells matter more with a cast build

[pseudo flame]

just to get an extra item at mid-shop Tartarus?

[mossy zinc]

I skip some mid-shops to maximize the rewards I get, but I try to spend all my money before Styx shop unless there's just nothing good.

[flat flicker]

my rule of thumb is take charon midshop unless the other room is juicy

and with td3, that time savings matters

but if its like, a zeus poseidon trial of the gods

yeah im takin that lol

[pseudo flame]

well i get the part u always take the mid-shop Charon

[mossy zinc]

Depends on how speedy you are.

[pseudo flame]

to gurantee one room would be quickly cleared

[flat flicker]

true, but free room is a free room

[hallow garnet]

wells are just gucci yknow

for chaos opportunities

[flat flicker]

and yeah, charon keepsake

[pseudo flame]

but still not too sure about the item u got from that mid-shop would really matter that much

[flat flicker]

super fun when u can afford it

[mossy zinc]

Time is a resource like any other.

[flat flicker]

i tend to take chaos money buffs

[mossy zinc]

Early poms are way more useful than poms late in Styx.

[flat flicker]

like even when i really should roll for atttack lol

thats facts, that's been a problem for me when i take the money

[mossy zinc]

And getting the boons you want early to get early poms on them is also great.

And buying Centaur Hearts early to not-die is a nice plus.

I like not-dying.

[hallow garnet]

Based

[pseudo flame]

hmmm... would be sad if u die at Tartarus lol

[mossy zinc]

Deaths in Tartarus are pretty frequent at high heat.

[hallow garnet]

Yeah

Tart can be really annoying

[pseudo flame]

can i assume because of LC4 and SD?

[mossy zinc]

It's not any one or two pacts, it's the combination of everything.

You start with low HP and enemies hit hard.

[hallow garnet]

also you’re just getting your stuff together

[mossy zinc]

And your build still sucks in Tartarus.

[hallow garnet]

so you won’t be killing them fast

and god forbid you have any approval process on

[pseudo flame]

well, i suppose Rama and Beo could be different stories lol

Beo especially 😄

[mossy zinc]

If you have a bad start with Beowulf, you don't really feel it until later on.

And Rama and Hestia can circumvent a lot of problems with Shackle.

[pseudo flame]

even with unseed and AP2

[mossy zinc]

But you still can't make a lot of mistakes because your HP is so low.

[pseudo flame]

people would still wanna get cast first boon, right?

and once u got ur cast boon, 1st region minions just melt lol

[mossy zinc]

With not even that much bad luck, you get some nasty Witches room early that takes your SD, and then you never see a Centaur Heart in Tartarus or maybe just one.

[mossy zinc]

Yes, but if you don't get poms on it early, you'll have difficulties later on.

[pseudo flame]

not too sure what could've saved u from such situation that CF0 CF2 might make a difference

so getting pom at mid-shop would be ideal in this case with Beo cast?

[mossy zinc]

CF0 gives you better chances to find poms and Centaur Hearts, essentially.

I don't mind CF2 too much, personally. But it definitely hurts.

[pseudo flame]

certainly depends on what those 2 points would be allocated depends the heat

i doubt 50 heat can avoid CF2

would CF prefer to be off at 40 heat?

[mossy zinc]

I've seen quite a few CF0 pacts at 50.

[pseudo flame]

well that still sounds like not the ideal choice in general?

for 50 heat

[mossy zinc]

If it works, it works.

People still have their own preferences and strengths.

And their own experiences.

[pseudo flame]

actually, gonna ask something else

do people post guide for climbing from 40-50+ heat?

[mossy zinc]

Haven't seen any guide for that.

[pseudo flame]

32 heat is plenty for sure, seemed like past that is not a lot

[mossy zinc]

I think most people don't climb like that.

Going from 40 straight to 45 or 50 is more common than going from 40 to 41, 42, 43, etc.

[pseudo flame]

then, what about 50 heat pact/mirror guide?

or i guess 40+ works too

[mossy zinc]

It depends a lot on your aspect etc.

Pretty sure if anyone made a guide for that, most people who do high heat would find a lot of issues with it.

Personally, I think my 32 Heat guide + JS1 FO2 HS is a decent universal option for 40.

Except maybe CF0 AP1 instead at least for some aspects.

[bronze rapids]

can also give Hell mode's 2-heat CP1 a try for certain weapons

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, Hell mode pacts are slightly different anyway.

And there are players who keep timing out with TD3 at 40 but win their first attempt after switching to TD2.

[hardy garden]

50 heat is just choosing between timing out because of crappy builds or timing out because of too many tanky enemies

[mossy zinc]

You could turn off TD altogether.

[bronze rapids]

BP2 chariot flashbacks

[hardy garden]

yeah there's the third option of just dying

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/909245961958719498/unknown.png

witness this big brain chaos shield pact

bot

[bronze rapids]

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/909244983935115324/unknown.png

just get the boons

[bronze rapids]

isn't that something one only says when doing AP

[pseudo flame]

wonder if this 44 heat would be considered "easy"

[hardy garden]

dunno

[pseudo flame]

HL5, LC4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, HS, AP1, TD3

[hardy garden]

sounds not so fun

[pseudo flame]

and just 1 point off to be 40 heat

[umbral jolt]

i have a question

what do i do if hades 3rd stage lags my pc? :V

[hardy garden]

you die ig maybe a #h1-tech-support thingy

[umbral jolt]

nah, i dont have enough VRAM

[pseudo flame]

this 41 heat pact does not have JS, EM4, CP, DC, so should be the quickest to clear enemies

[umbral jolt]

i dont have the required

[flat flicker]

then you gotta get some athenas aid or something, or prob hardware

[umbral jolt]

sad frog emote moment

i should be able to get a job soon, ao yeah hardware for sure lol

i moght try hades with shield too, maybe its enough

[cursive portal]

[dapper schooner]

no UC

[hardy garden]

big brain strats

notice the fated authority

[dapper schooner]

whaa

[hardy garden]

zoos = stonks

gotta get lots of zoos

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/909262776923480104/Hades_11_13_2021_5_38_00_PM.png for example tart splitting bolt

[dapper schooner]

inb4 lightning relfex heavens vengence storm lightning because no persuasion

[hardy garden]

lightning reflexes is actually stonks

not as cool as jolted or double strike but gud

but yeah i was using fated authority so i could get multiple zeus boons in tart because zeus special needs them to deal damage so i dont time out

also to get poms on them earlier

tho that lvl one jolted

[cursive portal]

Lighting reflex almost solves theseus

Especially with jolted

[next acorn]

why no UC authority?

[hoary pasture]

Just for fun I think

[pseudo kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/909477649733259304/Screenshot_499.png

4 sack

[hardy garden]

well actually its just so i could actually get a zeus build going in tart

@next acorn

[hoary pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/909478598266744892/Discord_4OZm7DBXLn.png

[pseudo kernel]

r3i pog

[hoary pasture]

oh wtf

you have poseidon special

[pseudo kernel]

i got sea storm so it works

[hoary pasture]

this build is very gaming

[pseudo kernel]

yeah this build was very nice

since sea storm works on the attack, special, and dash

[cursive portal]

CF0

[flat flicker]

Poseidon very based

[hardy garden]

https://imgur.com/a/oW8cA52 skull earring stonks

also ignore the scuffed meg

[flat flicker]

scuffed Meg haha

[flat flicker]

On em4, how many pots do I need to break/how does healing work overexplained

[hardy garden]

I just try to outdps the healing

[quartz mantle]

It depends on what aspect/build you have

If you got a cracked damage build you can outdps the healing but otherwise you should just break pots

[flat flicker]

and is it like if u get the pots fast enough he doesnt heal

or each glowing pot is x hp

so he can heal half of the max

[hoary pasture]

If you’re fast enough he doesn’t get to heal since it’s like ticks rather than constant hp gain

Sometimes it’s just too tough to reach the pots tho

[flat flicker]

yeah, im tryin to like, figure out how to balance attack vs chase pots

also have to accept sometimes im just gonna not be able to break the pots fast enough orDPS him fast enough

[hardy garden]

did you know that with cp super dad heals a lower percentage of his hp big brain strats

[cursive portal]

[pseudo flame]

when he's healing, new pot could appear and he absorbs that one

and when phase 3 it's all dark, i guess it would be hard to try chasing down pots?

[pseudo flame]

lol the very first boss eventually turns out to be the one most helpful, skull earring and her blue doll

[cursive portal]

Meg

[dapper schooner]

lower percentage but the amount is the same

so it's just not as bad as it could be

[hardy garden]

yeah thats why it's supposed to be funny

[gaunt fiber]

Destroying urns is absolutely worth the effort

Some aspects just suck at it though

[flat flicker]

Sure footing I guess then I am the pot breaking aspect

[bronze rapids]

does Unshakable Mettle block the pot stun? then it can pair with sure footing for super pot breaker

[hoary pasture]

Gonna have to test that

I don't think Pots count as boss dmg

[bronze rapids]

but stun

[honest kernel]

mettle blocks all hitstun iirc yea

but im not sure if the pot is like a special stun

[hoary pasture]

oh

[flat flicker]

@mossy zinc knows everything maybe she can help

[undone tartan]

How’s it going, Hades people?

[mossy zinc]

Who are you?

[undone tartan]

Hey Nyaa

[mossy zinc]

Do I know you?

[undone tartan]

I’ve been forgotten

[mossy zinc]

I can neither confirm nor deny that.

[undone tartan]

That’s what I get for playing other games

[quartz mantle]

Yea sorry you don’t get remembered unless you sweat hades day in day out and never stop grinding until you clear 3 separate weapons on 50 heat

Anyways how’s it going pancake man

[cursive portal]

[shy plinth]

I was always more of a holy waffle person

[cursive portal]

[gaunt fiber]

How could we forget you and your hatred for the game

[cursive portal]

Astaos woke up and chose violence

[flat flicker]

Damn I have done zero 50 heats and forgot myself

[bronze rapids]

*surreptitiously munches caramel popcorn in the 40 corner

[shut raft]

best weapon to kill hades? i got to him on my 16th atempt, but when i i was about to kil lhim, he started talking and got all of his hp back lmao how many times does that happens? like how many times he ges his hp back

[hardy garden]

only once

[shy plinth]

We're happy to help here though it's worth noting this channel is largely about high heat pushing, which is something you'll unlock after you clear once

#h1-builds-and-combat is def a good place to explore options for your first clear

[shut raft]

ok thnx for the info

[gaunt fiber]

I'll remember you dw

[quartz mantle]

Nah you got a cat, that’s worth at least an all weapons 50 heat

[flat flicker]

based

[flat flicker]

the pharaoh remembers me

[mossy zinc]

Don't worry, I didn't forget you.

I don't even know who you are.

[flat flicker]

Some dude on the internet you’ve fed to crocodiles like 15 times now with all these aphro boons I’ve purged

[mossy zinc]

I don't feed anyone to the sacred crocodiles.

My servants do.

[flat flicker]

[amber jetty]

[flat flicker]

[undone tartan]

But… but…

[undone tartan]

[honest kernel]

2heat no god mode

yay

[astral peak]

any cool build for a cheap 32 heat

[hoary pasture]

RaME

[cursive portal]

Rama mia, here I go again

[dapper schooner]

zoos^2

actually nvm its not that cool

[flat flicker]

Heart rend zag bow

[flat flicker]

Question re seeding and how it works, I started a run yesterday w aphro keepsake, natural Zeus took call, and then smoldering all before Meg

Had I reset and cranked it to 40 heat, would it have still played out that way with the natural Zeus and the epic call lol

It was stonks

[undone tartan]

Potentially. But a lot of things can affect results like that. In my experience, if you try enough times on the same and don’t call RNG at all, you will likely find the same outcome again

It’s fun to get an absolutely absurd start and get to replay it many times

My 50 heat Rama run had C1 Twin Shot C2 80 Health from Chaos. It was AP2.

[flat flicker]

Based

[mossy zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHdt35TDvNY

[flat flicker]

Ty!

[gaunt fiber]

It's very hard to reproduce it that far without routing. The farthest I was able to keep a run was room 4 iirc

Because some things will increment RNG without you noticing : breaking pots after clearing a room, the shades in the first room, even getting in a certain radius around Charon

The most obvious being the summon but you can't do it unintentionally right

[cursive portal]

I think the farthest ive kept a run 1/1 in room rng was like ch10

Different enemies tho

But exact same tart

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, essentially mapping out Tartarus or at least most of it was pretty common when seeded was still meta.

Even if you weren't trying, from chamber 2 on, you knew what to expect.

[cursive portal]

Especially since there wasnt a distinct seeded/unseeded category on the scr.com boards

[mossy zinc]

Same for high heat.

That's why seeded was the meta.

[lucid atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/math-meme-gif-23715871

This is really cool...but also, I am glad to be on console and not have the temptation to jump into this...my life may be over if I get into such time consuming but really fascinating things such as this.

[flat flicker]

so if my opening chamber is the exact hammer i want and the first reward room is an epic attack boon of aphro

thatll hold true

but after that im more or less on my own?

like ive played a few rail runs with room 1 hammer being spread fire, quit and swap to zag rail for some goose blasting fun, and it reliably showed up again

[cursive portal]

Yes

Ch1 hammer/boon will always be identical on that seed

[flat flicker]

Word

[cursive portal]

This also applies to rarity I just found

[flat flicker]

And if I swap gods, rarity holds

[cursive portal]

[flat flicker]

Like if I have a Poseidon keepsake and epic attack that can become any epic attack based on keepsake

[cursive portal]

Ye

[flat flicker]

“Oh damn epic flood shot ok screw it let’s go beowulf”

Has happened a lot lol

[cursive portal]

[flat flicker]

peak gaming

[dapper schooner]

wait would it actually work for beo though?

i know with the boon selector mod flare is very wonky

the rarity never shows up correctly for flares

[flat flicker]

So if I had a keepsake, and say I got rare special common dash and epic cast in that order, if I restart and swap gods I’ll still get those three rarities in the same order. I had not noticed any differences with beowulf

Rarity can change if you go with a non god keepsake instead, but will still@be those three moves

[flat flicker]

*addendum - my scientific method was basically me just trying ten or so runs and noting it worked that way, my sample size is potentially too low, if nyaanyaa tells me im wrong, then i probably am

[lucid atlas]

I have noticed this too...I def need to respond to those situations more and be willing to switch it up...a strong start in this game helps a lot

[flat flicker]

Yeah I let the game tell me what I should play

[mossy zinc]

It's not that the rarity changes when you don't use a god keepsake; it's that god keepsakes boost the rarity.

[flat flicker]

Will test hang on

okay, i did ares keepsake, got epic attack common special and cast

then did coin purse, same combo but poseidon boons

[mossy zinc]

Base rarity is before keepsakes and mirror. The base rarity doesn't change when you change your mirror or keepsakes.

And then with points in the mirror and a god keepsake, there's a chance for a rarity boost for each of the slots. And the RNG for that doesn't change if you change god keepsakes.

So if it's normally a rare Attack without mirror and god keepsake, and with mirror and god keepsake you roll epic Attack instead... if you change the god keepsake, it's still gonna be an epic Attack.

[flat flicker]

Word. I needed to do that test to understand but I get it now

[lofty matrix]

Can anyone tell me what the best/least punishing 32 heat settings are?

[prime lintel]

Check the pins, there are several guides for it 🙂

[lofty matrix]

Ok thanks!

[shell jacinth]

Thanks for this pact setup. Got my 32 clear on my first attempt with these options on Chiron. Definitely felt more beginner friendly than the pact options I was attempting (forced overtime is brutal)

[shy plinth]

Fancy meeting you here 😉

FO2 on Chiron will definitely be more punishing

[flat flicker]

Fo2 in general hard loo

[shell jacinth]

I think you hyping it up on Coin Concede a while back was the first I heard about it. Such a perfect game, so thanks for the recommendation.

Forced overtime feels fair for the amount of heat, but I'm too slow on all my dashes lol. Probably just takes practice

[shy plinth]

My pleasure lol, def one of the easier games to recommend

FO is a big learning curve and Chiron handles it worse than most weapons do. It does take some time to learn but it still adds a lethal element that doesn't really go away

I went for a high FO low HL pact to do all of my 32s, but many people have more success getting the first 32 with HL5 FO0

[flat flicker]

I did it with em4

peak gaming

Rip current smoldering carried me but don’t do that

[gaunt fiber]

I see no reason no to do smoldering air and rip current

[flat flicker]

yeah my bad let me clarify: dont do em4, i only made it because of a splitting bolt in asphodel's first room on my first ever erebus gate attempt, then rip current smoldering. if you dont have em4, you can do it and it wont be a fluke like mine was when tryin your first 32 lol

[gaunt fiber]

Was kidding

EM4 is cool

Can be a tiny obstacle for your success though

[flat flicker]

im tryin to get better at being clearer via text based chats, its bitten me in the ass at work a bunch lol

so lets develop good habits

yeehaw

[gaunt fiber]

Fair

[bronze rapids]

I did a 40 heat FO2 EM4 and proceeded to die epically
The 5 sack didn't help

[hoary pasture]

Atleast you died epically

[gaunt fiber]

Dying with style is important

[bronze rapids]

thank you thank you

[pseudo kernel]

hey google how do you play hestia i want to beat 50 heat with it

[flat flicker]

Route your run so ap2 is more like apwhocares then just beat it on 45 nbd easy game

[pseudo kernel]

ok thanks cat man

[hoary pasture]

lol

[flat flicker]

idk, shackle?

reload a lot?

get clockets and just go ham

[hoary pasture]

EM4 RI0 AP1 is my answer

You know whenever I have EM4 on and I die I don't feel too bad about it but whenever it's normal Hades I feel like I threw the fight

so EM4 gud

[flat flicker]

I’ve had many runs that would have been strong enough for em4 feel wasted ngl

Always use em4 got it

[gaunt fiber]

This ditto poggers is incredible

[flat flicker]

I just put on js3 and man…it’s kinda fun at 24 heat lol feels fresh

More of a zombie horde than epic duels

(I took off forced overtime and lasting consequences too, going em4 cause I’m crazy)

[dapper schooner]

can anyone suggest a good 45 heat pact for zeus shield

i took hellmode for PL but maybe that wasnt correct?

it was slow but i think that was more due to no jolted than CP1

[jaunty falcon]

I’d stick to EM3 RI0 AP1

You can manage DC2

[quartz mantle]

I think you can get away with AP0 RI0 EM4 without hell mode

That’s what I did I believe

[dapper schooner]

had all of that

[quartz mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/867124375822925875/unknown.png

[dapper schooner]

is EM4 really worth it though

[quartz mantle]

This was my 45 Zeus clear

Idk man it’s a lot of heat

[dapper schooner]

but its a pretty hard fight

idk if i have enough SD EM4 experience for that

[quartz mantle]

I personally always prefer buffing enemies rather than weakening myself

Like if I’m running AP0 RI0 CF0 that means I can get a hella good build going before EM4

But you can replace it with AP1 hellmode

[jaunty falcon]

That is the most useless heart rend I’ve ever seen

Actually might be decent with the call

[quartz mantle]

Green boon good

[dapper schooner]

but green boon tho

[cursive portal]

just RI0 AP0 things

fiery zeus

[quartz mantle]

It does something technically speaking

[dapper schooner]

wait doesnt fiery just do nothing with DC

[quartz mantle]

Also it’s not like fiery/shadow make that much of a difference at all

No it still works

Just on the first hit without the hearts

[cursive portal]

ye

kinda jank tho

[quartz mantle]

So like if I throw my special out at an enemy
Special hits first shield
Zeus hits second shield
Special hits their health

That second special gets the fiery bonus

Technically speaking both specials get the fiery bonus but w/e

[dapper schooner]

can the special backstab?

[quartz mantle]

Nope

But honestly it doesn’t matter

Unless you are playing something like Rama or Hestia, Fiery vs Shadow is not important

[dapper schooner]

for higher heat only right

[quartz mantle]

I mean for speedrunning yea you usually run fiery for faster tarts and breakpoints and such

But dc2, while not technically invalidating fiery, lowers the value of it since you can’t one shot enemies as quickly

And shadow isn’t that impactful anyways

[bronze rapids]

is a chamber 1 explosive return better than Thunder Flourish for Zeus shield

[dapper schooner]

unmodded maybe since you arent guaranteed ER but modded i would prefer thunder flourish

but that might be incorrect

[jaunty falcon]

ER ch1 feels so good though

Maybe not at high high heat

[bronze rapids]

I'm doing 40 if that matters

[hoary pasture]

I don't think it's gonna be that huge

Since you're getting both anyway

[cursive portal]

tbh

[bronze rapids]

tbh?

[left prism]

Trying 32 fists with zeus attack and got splitting on tart with no rolls lmao

[hoary pasture]

Blessed

Waiting for the victory screen

[left prism]

Purple rd
Still no jolted tho lmao

[hoary pasture]

Show build

[left prism]

Epic ligthning strike, divine flourish, Epic rav will, Curse of vengeance, hyper sprint + Rd

Hammer is kinetic

[jaunty falcon]

Who needs jolted when every strike is a jolted

[hoary pasture]

That sounds spicy

[cursive portal]

Lmao

[left prism]

Patty 29, time for elysium skip so it lasts to dad

[cursive portal]

[left prism]

Forgot splitting

[worthy sandal]

trying to beat 32 with excali as its my favourite weapon and hn

its always elysium that smacks me

[honest kernel]

whats ur pact

also aphro attack is recommended for survivability

[edgy juniper]

Does anyone know the world record for highest heat on Zag Bow?

unseeded

unmodded too

[mossy zinc]

You can find the High Heat Leaderboard in the pins here. The Player & Weapon Index has all the high heat WRs.

[edgy juniper]

thx

also does anyone know what happened to talique on speedrun.com, all his runs got pulled

[gaunt fiber]

I know a Tailesque but no Talique

[edgy juniper]

...

yes him

[gaunt fiber]

well runs are still there?

[edgy juniper]

hmm im blind

nvm

[autumn ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/911793275072024606/unknown.png

is this a good setup for hestia 50?

[mossy zinc]

Take JS2 or something over RI1.

I also wouldn't do AP2, but that's up to you. Hestia can handle it very well with Shackle.

But you'll have very little control over your build.

[hardy garden]

em4 kinda sus but preference ig

[mossy zinc]

EM4 with only the Shackle is gonna be a long fight.

[hardy garden]

just get the boons. ap2 free

[worthy sandal]

debating how to build it, em3 seems to be a big obstacle and so is a lot of things ill say more when its not 3 am

[undone tartan]

Whatever you do, don’t use Jury Summons

It makes Elysium significantly harder

[flat flicker]

You may wanna build up to it - do a few 15-20 heat with em3 learn the fight a bit

[hardy garden]

when see ppl sticking on js and cp on their 32 heat pacts with td2, then being like 2 minutes off td3 anyways

[bronze rapids]

aayyyy beat thst seed

[hoary pasture]

Nice

[dapper schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/911923021244149780/unknown.png

does this seem like a good 45 heat zoos shield setup

[hoary pasture]

I would say so yes

Looks good

CF1 comfy

[dapper schooner]

ill keep trying with this then ig

hope i get jolted this time

[hoary pasture]

DC2 can be annoying but Zeus can handle it

If you wanna swap you’ll have to do CF2 JS2

[dapper schooner]

going into hades with 4 min and 2 athena DDs and jolted

hopefully i dont choke this

[hoary pasture]

Play safe

Bullrush into everything

[dapper schooner]

didnt choke

also i think i picked up 4 PPs in this run since it was my UC sell in every region

[flat flicker]

gotta sell that pp

[swift slate]

What do people to get like sub 10 minute finish times

[gaunt fiber]

They progress efficiently through rooms, optimize their build, and are careful about the path to take (free rooms, midshop, when to go for the miniboss).

Also, pausing while making a decision to pause the igt

It comes with a bit of knowledge of your aspect too

So pure practice in general will lead you there without too much trouble

[pure lily]

I assume aspect probably matters? What's good for high heat might not be good for speed run? Also do people use heat for speed runs or just do a vanilla run for pure speed?

[quartz mantle]

For speedruns people use EM2 because it makes the Lernie heads closer together and FO1 or 2 cause it makes enemies spawn and attack faster

[pure lily]

Oh interesting

[bronze rapids]

For high heat people use EM3 since it's 3 heat going into only 1 room

until the numbers force you to use EM4

[hoary pasture]

Aspect matters aswell, some are much tougher to go fast on

Like Chaos, Hades etc

Compared to others

But they can all sub10 comfortably assuming you have the knowledge to back it up a bit

[jaunty falcon]

Adding on to this, every aspect has at least one sub7 unmodded, and there are people out there that have sub7 modded on all aspects

[flat flicker]

Then there’s me, who’s best is 11:59

[pure lily]

My best is 23 but I haven't tried to speed run. Sounds more fun that high heat atm, maybe I'll have some fun with it

[hoary pasture]

It takes time and practice

11:59 is a good start

[flat flicker]

It feels like sub 10 is doable but more than that just requires insane rng that i won’t be partaking in lol

And that was with eris

[left prism]

play modded

[pure lily]

What do people do with mods?

Is modding normal and accepted in the community?

[left prism]

it has its own leaderboard, but is pretty much the game with less rng needed (things like tiny vermin/asterius/barge of death remove) always 2 sack, 1 specific hammer

basically you get to actually play the game more

[quartz mantle]

Yea it's nothing that gives you an innate advantage

Just makes things less reset heavy

[hoary pasture]

Pretty good explanation

[pure lily]

I actually like that

[gaunt fiber]

I don't really agree

[left prism]

like for sure you dont need to reset crazy for something like 32 heat or sub 10 but the more deep you go it notices a bit more

[gaunt fiber]

Ignoring AP is an advantage

[left prism]

isnt that for only the first boon?

[gaunt fiber]

Hammer too

Depends on the pact though but considering that AP is not much of a problem definitely makes the run easier

Because on unseeded unmodded you may consider that AP2 is a big enough obstacle for you not to pick it but rather more difficult pacts such as JS and CP

[hoary pasture]

Modded definitely makes the game easier

Besides removing some of the rng stuff

[gaunt fiber]

And also, not every run has to be a 2 sack. A 3 sack can be a challenge for your approach at the dad fight

Modded eleminates some winnable runs or rather tense situations

Ofc I'm still talking about """reasonable"""" heat

So below 60

[cursive portal]

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I know calling it reasonable is a clownery

[hoary pasture]

Lol

[gaunt fiber]

Because the 50 range is super hard

[cursive portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586655711564529687/902833773463339058/chatelineii.gif

[hoary pasture]

Been a while since I got beat up by the Bull miniboss

[gaunt fiber]

Was definitely one of the scariest part of learning high heat

2 hits you're dead

The build not being good enough, the fight is long

Oh god Asterius the run ender

[hoary pasture]

Yea

Truly a run ender

Charge scary too

[hardy garden]

just pray for early patty

[cursive portal]

patty 34 on chiron

[gaunt fiber]

Early patty is quite

[hardy garden]

no 34 patty is kinda sad but not like he ever appears by that point

[flat flicker]

I got a 34 patty yesterday and then got 4 sacked so it expired before dad