Do not use jury summons at all. If you’re losing to Tartarus enemies, why would you want to greatly increase the number of Tartarus enemies
#h1-high-heat-strategies
gaunt fiber
So one could argue that DC is fine, but that's actually a hit where your enemies are not stunned. Don't take that. CP is also a big nope
brave frost
no i mean sometimes i get unlucky
i have problems dealing with the bullet hell witches
gaunt fiber
Start with divine dash and improve from here
undone tartan
i have problems dealing with the bullet hell witches
Yeah that happens when you increase the number of enemies by 60% 
Don’t do that
brave frost
ill figure it out
gaunt fiber
Tight deadline 2
brave frost
tight deadline? isnt that the one that reduces time to complete a level?
undone tartan
Yes
gaunt fiber
Being pressed by time will only make you progress
undone tartan
Exactly
brave frost
im not a speedrunner tho
gaunt fiber
It's fine
bronze viper
TD2 isn't speedrunning, it's a mechanics check lol
undone tartan
You do not need to be a speedrunner to win in under 28 minutes 
gaunt fiber
28 minutes to clear a run is not a speedrun
undone tartan
I literally forgot, does Asterius charge without EM3?
solar maple
yes
solar maple
it's less scary idk exactly how
brave frost
EM3?
oh man
ill give it a try
although i do hear people that that the chariot is preferable to the spear throwing
also, im guessing you guys are max heat veterans/speedrunners?
gaunt fiber
it depends
bronze viper
it's less scary idk exactly how
Lol this is also my understanding. "I think the charge is worse. Maybe."
gaunt fiber
Ledger is washed up
bronze viper
rude
gaunt fiber
so am I
solar maple
most of the people in this channel are sweaty
bronze viper
fair though
gaunt fiber
We've played our share of 50
solar maple
you'll hear a lot of people casually talking about 50 heat and such
brave frost
oof
shy plinth
I would say that people who frequent this channel have a lot of hours logged in the game
In the high triple digits or low quads
solar maple
I have like a thousand 
brave frost
unfortunately, i dont think this is the place for me then
bronze viper
It's pretty unfair that Tail has one of the lowest # of play hours lol
Space fox privilege too stronk
brave frost
ty for tips though
gaunt fiber
It's fine
shy plinth
You're welcome to ask questions here but #h1-builds-and-combat is gonna be the best place
But we're happy to help
gaunt fiber
This is not some high society or w/e
shy plinth
Yeah exactly
bronze viper
We wear our monocles like everyone else, one eye at a time.
gaunt fiber
proletariat has won
undone tartan
I would say that people who frequent this channel have a lot of hours logged in ...
That’s why it’s my favorite channel 
solar maple
I was joking about getting a monocle for a while because I have 1 bad eye
maybe I could pull it off 
undone tartan
🧐
bronze viper
I was joking about getting a monocle for a while because I have 1 bad eye
Do you have actively squeeze your eye to keep it in or.. what? I don't actually know how monocles work lol
solar maple
no clue lol
solar maple
Lol this is also my understanding. "I think the charge is worse. Maybe."
it definitely feels faster but the only other time I'm scared of it is fresh file where I don't have FO2
bronze viper
FO0 charge is so lame. "Ugh get on with it so I can keep plinking the front of Theseus' shield in peace"
undone tartan
At this point I’m literally dying more to Lernie than to Champions and Hades combined (40+ heat)
solar maple
tbh lernie is probably the boss I die to the most as well lol
bronze viper
Aspect dependent, Lernie is a raid boss at high heat lol.
solar maple
other than em4
solar maple
well I have been taking earring into elysium more frequently recently which hurts my heroes winrate a bit, but still I don't die much to them
shy plinth
Solo asterius is harder than em3 change my mind
undone tartan
I used to think that but I don’t anymore
gaunt fiber
Yeah I die more often to solo Asterius than EM3
shy plinth
Maybe harder isn't the right word
gaunt fiber
But I've played it a lot so now I don't really die on Asty
bronze viper
Yeah I die more often to solo Asterius than EM3
We have infinite video evidence of this
gaunt fiber
We have infinite video evidence of this
You can shred through EM3 with the acorn
Like you can take 2 charges
and by some sorcery you're still alive
undone tartan
How good is mirage shot for 40 heat Poseidon sword (Phalanx Shot, 5 bloodstones in Tartarus thanks to good chaos)
bronze viper
Lol Mirage shot doesn't really have nuance. It's as good as advertised
or better if you're Beo
undone tartan
Right but how much effort should I put into shooting for it?
shy plinth
How much do you value 30% extra damage on your core ability
bronze viper
It's +2 gods from your cast so... probably not a crazy amount lol. Snow Burst is a lot safer and probably just better
undone tartan
Not enough to sell divine dash over tempest strike
shy plinth
Oh if that's your choice
If poseidon is already in the pool whatever you'll see him again
undone tartan
Yeah I only got 3 boons in Tartarus
undone tartan
So Zeus keepsake over Artemis keepsake entering asphodel?
bronze viper
I wish LP granted lightning damage to Phalanx Shot. Even if it's like, 1 damage lol, just so it benefitted from Zeus
undone tartan
I only got 3 boons in Tartarus. Divine dash, phalanax shot, tempest strike
So Zeus or Artemis for Asphodel?
eternal hare
i'd say artemis since exit wounds is pretty nice with the cast dislodge and you already have a mirage prereq god
undone tartan
Ok
solar maple
Exit wounds phalanx shot makes bosses pretty free tbh
undone tartan
Well I didn’t get exit wounds, but I got an epic Artemis attack and Hyper Sprint and that’s literally all I got in Asphodel. So no mirage shot this run
undone tartan
All I have left for 40 heat is Nemesis, Talos, Gilgamesh, and Zag fists
left prism
Thats a lot of fists
undone tartan
Yup
Fists are kinda bad
Also not sure how I’ve done zag sword but can’t do nemesis 
ripe ermine
It’s that sweet 15% move speed
undone tartan
I’m sure
ripe ermine
Could do ultra comfy nemesis with Aphro attack and Divine Dash.
bronze viper
Nem doesn't feel comfy until you have at least 4 dashes lol
undone tartan
Is curse of longing decent with ME? I’m not gonna go looking for CoL, but should I take Aphrodite cast over dying lament so I could potentially get it? It’s fists with 5 divine dashes in late asphodel so dying lament isn’t gonna do a whole lot
shy plinth
I would probably take the cast just to block the slot
mossy zinc
Take Dying Lament.
Curse of Longing on Malphon is great if you start Heartbreak Flourish and pick up Curse of Agony along the way. If you already Merciful End and Divine Dash, it practically never comes into effect. Dying Lament also doesn't open up her t2 boons, so you have a better shot at Aphrodite's Aid and Life Affirmation.
And it's just a good boon.
undone tartan
40 21/24
mossy zinc
HP.
bronze viper
How close are you to ME already? Def health if you already have it
undone tartan
40 22/24
narrow carbon
Gilgamesh can do 40 Heat with just the dash button
undone tartan
I did do a bunch of dash-only EM4 runs a while ago
(The entire run was dash only, I just had EM4 on)
narrow carbon
I’d recommend tidal dash start for the clear rather than ME, unless you want to play the aspect itself
undone tartan
I certainly don’t. What should I go for on attack?
narrow carbon
I think percentage boons are good - not super important which one for a clear. Latt’s RTA (previous) WR has Aphro. Depends what duo or statuses you want.
bronze viper
I certainly don’t. What should I go for on attack?
Pressing attack on Gilgamesh is a liability. Splash Dash should be able to do it by itself
Unless you're used to releasing the attack button very fast, you'll buffer a dash strike after a normal attack and have no iframes
jaunty falcon
I'd do Zeus attack to open up sea storm
daring hedge
Dio dash and zeus dash also work as a centerpiece for 40 heat gilga
Passion dash too I'm sure, though I haven't done that at 40
nocturne stag
Get to 7 dashes trust me
hearty onyx
You can get 8 with Eurydice
shy plinth
One of the most fun builds I've ever played was mistral dash gilga
honest kernel
dio dash? doesnt that do too little dmg
I guess you can make anything work if you try hard enough
daring hedge
i tried it kinda as a joke and to see how gilga RR could boost it
and honestly it went pretty well
ofc feeding it a million poms along the way
mossy zinc
Drunken Dash is great for proccing Bad Influence, and that's a lot of damage.
Recently I've been thinking any good Hangover build should include Trippy Shot, though. I think as soon as you get Trippy Shot, the potential of the build becomes a lot better.
Bad Influence is great, but it doesn't really work very well in the important boss fights. But Black Out does, which makes it his only boon that scales Hangover damage reliably that's not a Duo Boon. And Trippy Shot poms are always great.
Well, Strong Drink also does, I guess.
Trippy Shot also unlocks great Duo Boons. If you only have Hangover, his Duo Boon potential is more limited.
honest kernel
mossy zinc
W-what?
honest kernel
at least we'll never run out of builds
mossy zinc
Of course, I recommend that you combine his boons with Lady Aphrodite.
In fact, the best way to do a Hangover/Festive Fog build is to start with the 
. 
trim sigil
Why of course, it's the setup for low tolerance!
mossy zinc
I was thinking of Unhealthy Fixation, but Low Tolerance is perfect, too!
undone tartan
I'd do Zeus attack to open up sea storm
I’d still need another Poseidon core boon to open up sea storm
Plus, wouldn’t I rather have Zeus call than Zeus attack?
quartz mantle
You could use either
Zeus attack can proc jolted more often than call before you get seastorm
Although call opens double strike
undone tartan
The call could also open me up for sea storm, but I guess Poseidon’s Aid could lead into rip current. Although I can only expect so many Poseidon boons in one run, and I want breaking wave, wave pounding, and razor shoals already
quiet mountain
Zeus attack can proc jolted more often than call before you get seastorm
outside of keeping it up, procing jolted doesn’t actually do anything does it?
quartz mantle
It gets it on them to begin with
If your only way of applying jolted is your call you’re not gonna get a lot of mileage out of it
undone tartan
I’d recommend tidal dash start for the clear rather than ME, unless you want to ...
Thanks for this advice! I got there thanks to 5x tidal dashes. Barely even used attack or special at all for the entire run
bronze viper
This guy gilgameshes
undone tartan
Ok all I have left is 40 heat Nemesis. Should I do drunken strike or deadly strike?
jaunty falcon
Congratulations!
undone tartan
Thanks!
left prism
congrats!
bronze viper
grats
undone tartan
The hardest one was probably Gilgamesh, but mainly because I kept trying ME instead of just spamming tidal dash like I should have been the whole time
quartz mantle
Is DC2 not the move with Meme beam?
Close tho
What phase of EM4 did you make it to?
bronze rapids
rip
quartz mantle
notlikethis
bronze rapids
rest in pots
narrow carbon
Thanks for this advice! I got there thanks to 5x tidal dashes. Barely even used ...
Congrats! I’d suggest RR if you play the aspect again
quartz mantle
CP2 makes it so Dad heals a lower percentage of his max health per pot
because it's still a flat 1500
but his health increases by 30%
pseudo kernel
narrow carbon
That CP2 / healing interaction reminds me of ^
undone tartan
Congrats! I’d suggest RR if you play the aspect again
I usually use RR but I forgot this time
undone tartan
That CP2 / healing interaction reminds me of ^
Lmao right under that message is me complaining about 50 heat EM4
bronze rapids
should I faceplant into 40 heat from 32 like I did with 16-32 or do something in between
undone tartan
Probably work your way there
There’s a pretty big difference between 32 and 40 heat
hoary pasture
should I faceplant into 40 heat from 32 like I did with 16-32 or do something in...
I did, up to you I guess
undone tartan
Although the difference is much less than the difference between 45 and 50, and I insisted on making that jump (not that it exactly went well) so who am I to talk
pseudo kernel
should I faceplant into 40 heat from 32 like I did with 16-32 or do something in...
do it
narrow carbon
Is there a standard pact you were using at 32? I had been doing HL0 and FO1, so the jump to 40 was mostly learning those 2 pacts
bronze rapids
plus some mixture of AP1/CF/DC, sometimes FO but can't remember if I actually won any FO1 32s
except my one TD0 AP2 meme Zag bow clear
quartz mantle
Well FO0 is gonna leave you with a lot of heat to make up
that's like 6 heat you're missing out on
undone tartan
Especially with LC0 HL0 CF0
bronze rapids
I find amusement in laughing at how RNG screws me over
undone tartan
The first thing you want to do is learn LC4 SD. It’s pretty hard to do 40 with most aspects without Stubborn Defiance, and that 4 heat goes a long way
bronze viper
That’s questionable imo
It's partially offset by CF0, so the sheer quantity of boons still goes up
bronze rapids
Yeah left column not right
undone tartan
Yeah…
bronze rapids
CF2 makes me want to cry more than AP2
undone tartan
I don’t find it to be too bad, but some others disagree
narrow carbon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/893590947680637038/S...
From this base I’d suggest learning FO2 and then sprinkling the rest like you did before
undone tartan
CF2 makes me want to cry more than AP2
AP2 makes me want to quit Hades though. Absolutely miserable pact
quartz mantle
AP2 lets me at least pretend to not care about boons
shackle start into just dealing with what I'm given
bronze viper
Lol, yeah, AP2 is more or less exclusively why I quit pushing heat
RI0 AP2 is copium. It's still terrible.
quartz mantle
Just play modded lololololol
undone tartan
Very understandable
bronze rapids
AP2 screws over some weapons more than others
undone tartan
RI0 AP2 has got to be wrong in almost every situation, right?
undone tartan
It is indeed, but it’s a lot worse when boons basically don’t do anything
narrow carbon
Most of Retrash’s records are RI0 AP2 I think
bronze rapids
I had a Phase where I extensively played mid heat AP2 RI1 UC
bronze viper
There's a couple of people I remember in this discord who liked the old school Rogue feeling of playing with AP2, and that's valid I guess.
More power to them.
bronze rapids
imagine if AP cut the choices for UC
undone tartan
I don’t think I will
bronze viper
too many runs lost to unsellable boons, already happens lol
bronze rapids
thankfully Charon looked at Hades and went "you don't make rules in my economy"
hardy garden
shackle hestia ez ap2
solar maple
RI0 AP2 has got to be wrong in almost every situation, right?
at least 75% of my 50 heat clears are RI0 AP2 lmao
undone tartan
Hmm alright maybe I was wrong
solar maple
you just kinda get a bunch of boons and most of the time some of them are good, and either way you get a ton of hp
I only really did RI2 AP1 for a few select weapons (hestia, rama)
hardy garden
with no dark foresight plus uc youre getting like no boons and they all gunna be common
bronze viper
(he also plays mostly shield, so hammers are already basically nonexistent)
solar maple
where they have like 1-2 boon builds
nah I really like RI0 AP2 for all the melee weapons tbh
undone tartan
“Most of the time some of them are good”
Really? My experience with AP2 is that, even with rerolls, I pretty much only end up with worthless boons except for maybe an ok attack or special at best
bronze rapids
AP2 life lesson: if you get Nourished Soul on LC4, take it. or you might spend all your rerolls and end up on a Crystal Beam swap
undone tartan
But maybe I just haven’t done enough AP2 resets to get boons that do anything
solar maple
I think your definition of a good boon is much narrower than mine
I'm perfectly happy if my fist build has drunken strike blade dash and demeter call
in fact I would love that build
undone tartan
Yeah that would be fine
solar maple
or passion dash aphro call
undone tartan
How about Hestia with those boons?
bronze viper
e.g. AP2 copium gets mega hype when you get common evasion from Hermes lol
bronze rapids
that's not a bad build
solar maple
yeah it's good
undone tartan
that's not a bad build
It is with Hestia
solar maple
I only really did RI2 AP1 for a few select weapons (hestia, rama)
specifically said not hestia
bronze rapids
though I find fists on the hard-to-AP spectrum
undone tartan
Oh I mean RI1 sorry
sand temple
well with hestia you are fine in tartarus and so can just sell the attack boon at the pool
solar maple
but rama I did AP1
bronze viper
I thought that was never correct
Lol wuh, AP1 is pretty much core for 40-50
solar maple
RI1 is also fine sometimes
undone tartan
Yeah I meant RI1, my bad
solar maple
but it's much more niche
bronze rapids
like if you don't get Lightning/Doom/Drunk or luck into Support Fire it feels like a slog
bronze viper
I did RI1 for Eris 52
undone tartan
like if you don't get Lightning/Doom/Drunk or luck into Support Fire it feels li...
With what weapon?
solar maple
the thing is the first point of RI is terrible, but so is the 2nd one
bronze rapids
With what weapon?
fist but also non-Hestia rail
undone tartan
I’ll probably never play fists at a heat beyond 45
solar maple
my first fist 50 heat was extremely cursed
bronze viper
basically every aspect will enjoy 25% global damage, 50 health, and 100 gold
bronze rapids
I'm perfectly happy if my fist build has drunken strike blade dash and demeter c...
it was all the way in response to this that got lost in the comment sea
undone tartan
basically every aspect will enjoy 25% global damage, 50 health, and 100 gold
Yeah, but will they enjoy it more than having 2 options instead of 1?
solar maple
I don't think I would do RI1 for any 50 heats
but there are some heat/aspect combinations where I would
I think
bronze viper
Yeah, depends. I did RI1 on Eris because I'm garbage and insisted on putting my body in the way of my enemies' attacks
Worked out lol
undone tartan
I’d rather have boons
bronze viper
shrug, can't have all the nice things at 51+ lol
solar maple
for me on melee weapons if I don't have a call elysium is really scary
and I find with RI I very often don't get one
because I have to sell all my boons
undone tartan
shrug, can't have all the nice things at 51+ lol
I don’t want all the nice things, I just would prefer my boons over the extra health, gold, and FF
bronze viper
I think I auto-lose EM4 if I don't have a call lol
I have practice saves where I intentionally don't use it, but for some reason I don't get 10 attempts during normal runs
solar maple
so the thing is that even if RI1 is more harsh than the second point, that doesn't necessarily mean that RI1 is never correct
you can't just take the 2nd point, that's not an option
bronze viper
Yeah, e.g. for my 52, I did technically recognize that strictly speaking if I can pretty easily do 52 with RI1 then 54 RI2 should be pretty much within reach, but in practice I definitely needed the health and extra damage
sand temple
by the time you are at high enough heat to take RI1, RI2 is probably the next easiest option
bronze viper
Yeah if I enjoyed Eris more I'd push it, but I was happy to be done lol. 52 was already the value meal victory lap for finishing 50. Didn't expect to finish the run.
undone tartan
so the thing is that even if RI1 is more harsh than the second point, that doesn...
Oh totally, I more compare it to AP2 than the first point
jaunty falcon
I'd do RI2 with Hestia more easily than I'd do RI2 with Beowulf
solar maple
sometimes you've already taken ap2
undone tartan
Sure but you’d do AP2 way more easily with Hestia then Beowulf
bronze viper
The reason I don't like AP2 is that at the end of the day, it's 5 """"free"""" heat, because you will eventually get a run that just gives you all the pieces you need.
You just have to have patience and consistency
At the cost of sanity
And fun lol
undone tartan
The reason I don't like AP2 is that at the end of the day, it's 5 """"free"""" h...
EXACTLY 
AP2 sucks
solar maple
yeah if you are actually grinding out the rng for the stuff it's really annoying, that's why I stopped pushing heat tbh
I like just going with the flow, and if that's not enough it's not really fun
like I realized the super high heat beo stuff basically required snow burst to have a real run
undone tartan
Especially when I found myself grinding for over an hour with 50 heat Hestia looking for Tartarus boons and hammers that could actually get me through the run (yes I realize Hestia can do fine without those things but I’m bad and I kept dying anyway so clearly I needed them
bronze viper
To demonstrate my relative patience, I tried any heat for 1 hour, just to get any sub 10 under my belt. I got like, 9:56, and thought I could do better on a run pretty easily, but then I tried to reset the run by dying on 6 heat lol. It took probably a bit under 2 minutes. Never again.
solar maple
LOL
yeah it's sometimes faster to give up, start a run with RI4 HS, get to the 2nd room, then die
jaunty falcon
BIGP switched to stubborn defiance for his unmodded sub 6 so resets took less time
bronze viper
I was told by the speedcord to just reset, take RI4 and kill yourself that way, and I was like "wow that is some fentanyl grade copium"
next acorn
BIGP switched to stubborn defiance for his unmodded sub 6 so resets took less ti...
Modded player moment
Make your own quick reset
bronze viper
Lol I was a proponent of a mod that did only that for unmodded, but people weren't fans of that idea
bronze rapids
wait by copium you mean a bad thing
undone tartan
bronze viper
Lol, by copium I mean something that people get habituated to in order to ignore a bad situation
bronze rapids
Newton's fifth law: for every mood there exists a pepe emote
undone tartan
Copium isn’t really a mood
bronze rapids
*situation
bronze viper
I'd probably sell special, but I play on controller so I don't know how to use that button anyway on Lucy
undone tartan
Triple bomb though
shy plinth
Yeah I was wondering if that special was doing anything for us
Triple bomb doesn't need arty to be good
bronze viper
Lucy has like... negative defense lol, I think Athena's Aid is pretty necessary
shy plinth
It's good but that call is juicy
undone tartan
I know it is
shy plinth
Chances of you seeing a core boon again are higher
And if you ended up with athena special would you be mad
undone tartan
I guess that’s true
I’m very low on gold though
So at best I can buy one boon from the shop
gaunt fiber
Wew
shy plinth
And take a boon door
gaunt fiber
I'm just on time
undone tartan
Yeah
mossy zinc
Don't purge Deadly Flourish if you have Triple Bomb.
gaunt fiber
Sell the call don't be a coward
gaunt fiber
We either game or die
shy plinth
This isn't guan yu astaos
mossy zinc
Purple means you get more money.
undone tartan
If I get a 2-sack (or maybe even a 3-sack if I get less rooms) then I’ll keep ToSD for Hades. I have 300 max health
bronze viper
Sell the call don't be a coward
But what if the call was common evasion?
gaunt fiber
This isn't guan yu astaos
gaunt fiber
But what if the call was common evasion?
We keep evasion
undone tartan
<:GoodPoint:341202247834927104>
I thought that was a man holding up a paper crane for a second
shy plinth
But what if the call was common evasion?
Don't try to dodge the question
solar maple
hm I'm not sure what I would do here
undone tartan
I’m very torn
bronze viper
Where's the anarchists who want to sell Jolted so you can get a purple Jolted into Eurydice.
gaunt fiber
I'll probably sell the call though. I'll visit Athena anyway for DDs so I'll get a chance to get the call
mossy zinc
Damage gud.
shy plinth
Not having a special for boss would be kinda terrible
undone tartan
Where's the anarchists who want to sell Jolted so you can get a purple Jolted in...
I’m going into Styx
solar maple
honestly I might sell jolted
undone tartan
I'll probably sell the call though. I'll visit Athena anyway for DDs so I'll get...
But I can’t get DDs without the call
bronze viper
honestly I might sell jolted <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I think you might be mistaking Lucifer for an aspect that actually does damage
shy plinth
Oh that's important isn't it
solar maple
nah triple bomb is loads of damage
bronze viper
But I can’t get DDs without the call <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
? the call doesn't qualify for DDs
undone tartan
It doesn’t? Oh
next acorn
Couldn’t you get special back before boss which is when you need it?
next acorn
? the call doesn't qualify for DDs
w h a t
solar maple
but yeah probably it's the call
shy plinth
If you sell special and see Athena special or dd what do you take
next acorn
Pain
undone tartan
Athena why
next acorn
Game bad
bronze viper
The duration nerf was fine but idk why they removed it as pre-req for DDs and kept it on Divine Dash
undone tartan
Lmao right?
mossy zinc
Couldn’t you get special back before boss which is when you need it?
Only two decent Special boons in that god pool, and UnholyPancake doesn't have a Cast but AP1. Odds aren't great.
mossy zinc
The correct answer is my answer.
shy plinth
That is an on brand response
undone tartan
Only two decent Special boons in that god pool, and UnholyPancake doesn't have a...
*three
next acorn
mossy zinc
Oh, you have a five god pool.
undone tartan
Yeah
shy plinth
Oh I see
mossy zinc
Anyway, purge Call.
undone tartan
I took Athena into asphodel because I was desperate for some defense
next acorn
Why couldn’t you just not get triple bomb it would make this way easier
mossy zinc
But it's not EM4 anyway, you'll be fine.
bronze viper
i wish you could buy keys for rerolls in shop
quartz mantle
I wish you could buy gemstones for money in shop
gaunt fiber
I wish I could buy 3 HP in shop
undone tartan
I wish you could buy gemstones for money in shop
mossy zinc
I wish you could buy money for gemstones in shop.
bronze viper
I wish I could buy 3 HP in shop
2.5*
shy plinth
I wish I had a unicorn
mossy zinc
I wish a unicorn had a ridiculous hat.
next acorn
I wish you could buy potatoes to plant in Persephone’s garden at the shop
shy plinth
Well it would have to be ridiculous to accommodate the horn
bronze viper
The statement "All unicorns have a RidiculousHat" is true
mossy zinc
I wish you could buy potatoes to plant in Persephone’s garden at the shop
I could plant you in her garden.
undone tartan
So I should sell the call?
bronze viper
I vote special
gaunt fiber
I wish I had a unicorn
The unicorn would wreck your hat
shy plinth
It would
mossy zinc
I vote you sell something and get on with it already.
next acorn
Burying alive is rather rude Nyaanyaa
shy plinth
Flip a three sided coin
mossy zinc
Burying alive is rather rude Nyaanyaa
And?
shy plinth
Sell call was the most common thing said
gaunt fiber
Oh we're still on selling stuff
bronze viper
The longer you wait the more memey our responses will get so I think you've extracted the useful value for your question at this point.
gaunt fiber
This is Styx?
shy plinth
Yes
quartz mantle
Man you're not done already?
shy plinth
Styx ap1 no rolls no gold
undone tartan
Yeah I’m worried because I’m bad with this weapon lol
gaunt fiber
If this is Styx I'll prolly sell special if I have time
mossy zinc
You could be halfway through your next run already.
bronze viper
You could sell both
undone tartan
Yeah
undone tartan
I sold special. I’m gonna hope to get a new special in Styx
quartz mantle
I'm gonna laugh when you sell the special and the only gods that appear in styx are zeus and dio
next acorn
solar maple
special is like all your damage lol
gaunt fiber
^
quartz mantle
Take Shackle
mossy zinc
special is like all your damage lol
Was.
undone tartan
Triple bomb on it’s own is still damage
gaunt fiber
Ok guys what do I sell just so I go for the opposite
quartz mantle
that's a damage increase I think
pseudo kernel
just sell all of them lmao
gaunt fiber
Stonks
next acorn
Sell all to buy another special
quartz mantle
+100% > +40%
next acorn
Sometimes I wish acorn wasn’t so good so that would be more justifiable
bronze viper
Certainly the like, 300-400 health from Acorn won't be missed.
gaunt fiber
Take shackle and die to dad yeah
bronze viper
If it was EM4 Acorn is worth 10 health from butterflies, let's be real
undone tartan
Uh oh guys
gaunt fiber
That means he has no damage lmao
mossy zinc
Yeah, Hades just kinda explodes with Triple Bomb and a good Special.
gaunt fiber
So the fight will last
undone tartan
Aphrodite didn’t give me a special boon
gaunt fiber
Oh surprising
quartz mantle
Should have taken Shackle
undone tartan
Now my only chance would be to buy the Athena boon for 810 gold
next acorn
quartz mantle
Should have been CF0 
mossy zinc
Aphrodite didn’t give me a special boon <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
What do you expect to happen when you don't listen to her high priestess?
undone tartan
What do you expect to happen when you don't listen to her high priestess? <:cour...
Idk, not die to Hades thanks to a very good call?
next acorn
Aphrodite didn’t give me a special boon <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
This is a ploy by Nyaanyaa to make people listen to her
bronze viper
naynay
next acorn
My bad
gaunt fiber
bronze viper
So aggressive
gaunt fiber
It sure is it actually surprised me
bronze viper
Oh it's three emojis
Is that cheating
what is the difference between the first and second O lol
bronze viper
shoud've taken CF1.9
left prism
whatever gold pot you missed is now haunting you
mossy zinc
Double pom and HP.
undone tartan
whatever gold pot you missed is now haunting you <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Yep. I can think of multiple
bronze rapids
and that's why I don't CF2
undone tartan
Double pom and HP.
For sure
undone tartan
and that's why I don't CF2
Really? Because you’ll be 3 gold short of potentially seeing a special boon in the Styx shop?
quartz mantle
Yes
pseudo kernel
yeah thats what happens every time you take cf2
undone tartan
I also saw splitting bolt but it was crossed out by AP1
bronze rapids
Really? Because you’ll be 3 gold short of potentially seeing a special boon in t...
thanks for reminding me to keep you blocked
pseudo kernel
CF2 is fine
no
elfin rock
CF2 is fine
pseudo kernel
no
elfin rock
it is fine
quartz mantle
🔫
pseudo kernel
blocked
undone tartan
thanks for reminding me to keep you blocked
What, that’s so toxic for nothing 
elfin rock
CF2 is good
mossy zinc
Ideally, you do CF2 LC4 AP2 RI4.
pseudo kernel
and em4
undone tartan
Got there 
mossy zinc
Where?
bronze rapids
Ideally, you do CF2 LC4 AP2 RI4.
added to to-do list.
mossy zinc
POIDH.
undone tartan
mossy zinc
You don't know what POIDH means?
pseudo kernel
translation: "bruh thats not even a real place lmao"
undone tartan
I do not
mossy zinc
Pics or it didn't happen.
undone tartan
Ohh
trim sigil
CF2 op if you start playing with it so you never get used to more
Same goes for RI1 
Who needs 4 full rows of boons, anyway?
mossy zinc
CF2 is free Heat if you skip shops.
undone tartan
Pics or it didn't happen.
Well I’ll maybe send it to #h1-victory-boasting but I feel like I’ve sent too much in that channel in the last few days
mossy zinc
There's no "too much".
bronze viper
It's literally a link dump channel lol
mossy zinc
Unless you're having discussions in there. You can have too much of that.
undone tartan
8 wins posted in 3 days feels like I’m kinda dominating the channel idk
This would be the 9th
bronze viper
That is the humblest brag of all the time lol
pseudo kernel
hes too good
mossy zinc
8 in 3 days is not that much.
undone tartan
That is the humblest brag of all the time lol
Won’t worry, I spent a full week losing before that because I was grinding 50 heat
mossy zinc
I've probably shared every single victory screenshot in there since they made the channel.
Except for when I playtest Monthly Challenges, for obvious reasons.
undone tartan
8 out of 59 in the last 3 days feels like kinda a lot to me but the fact that I bothered to count that out is actually super lame so I’m just gonna send my image 
next acorn
Don’t be afraid to post something your proud of
next acorn
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/893607393756344440/i...
Should’ve sold both
bronze viper
You could sell *both*
Yuss
undone tartan
I felt like play Lucifer today, it felt very good that I got 45 heat on my 3rd try
next acorn
Nice!
undone tartan
Gives me a lot of hope that 45 heat wins may be a lot more frequent for me
Because that’s actually just my 6th aspect to best 45
45 is my max heat that still feels entirely fun. Maybe I could push that to 47
mossy zinc
Could push it to 48 by just taking AP2.
undone tartan
But once I need AP2, RI2, or EM4, that’s when the game starts being a lot less fun
bronze viper
Kind of depends on aspect for me. I draw the line at 32 for Stygius lol
mossy zinc
You like AP2, right?
mossy zinc
Kind of depends on aspect for me. I draw the line at 32 for Stygius lol
But you're a One-Rama Llama. 🦙
next acorn
Don’t we all
mossy zinc
I like AP2.
undone tartan
But you're a One-Rama Llama. 🦙
Lmao what is a one-Rama Llama
bronze viper
I used to have the tag | Rama Llama for the longest time here
undone tartan
I used to have the tag | Rama Llama for the longest time here
I actually like that
bronze viper
Because I liked Rama before it was cool lmao. Nerds.
next acorn
Not like the other bows
bronze viper
I mean all the bows were pretty equally trash
bronze viper
5
elfin rock
o
undone tartan
Same as BP2 for some reason
As if someone would be unsure which to pick out of BP2 or AP2
bronze viper
I mean I've directly died to BP2 a whole hell of a lot more than AP2
next acorn
ripe ermine
Just get past the savior numbskulls
trim sigil
Depending on circumstances, AP2 is 5 free heat
next acorn
Just get past the savior numbskulls
Laughs in Eris
undone tartan
Depending on circumstances, AP2 is 5 free heat <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
You mean if the run is routed?
bronze viper
Routed by RNGsus
trim sigil
Well, that's certainly one outcome
pseudo kernel
all pacts are free if you dont die lmao
trim sigil
Another one is being lucky
undone tartan
Laughs in Eris
(Or Beo or Zeus)
mossy zinc
Lmao what is a one-Rama Llama
Distant relative of the One-Trick Pony.
undone tartan
OHH
next acorn
all pacts are free if you dont die lmao
undone tartan
Good joke
next acorn
LOL
bronze viper
pfft, my ponies have many tricks up their hooves, I assure you
trim sigil
all pacts are free if you dont die lmao
That's the spirit!
next acorn
Multi layered joke 
undone tartan
all pacts are free if you dont die lmao
No, they would still cost me valuable time 
In that way, JS and CP are the worst pacts. And EM4
And probably RI tbh
trim sigil
No, they would still cost me valuable time <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
Not so trick question: is it solely because of TD3 or more?
trim sigil
🍪
pseudo kernel
No, they would still cost me valuable time <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
Go faster lmao
undone tartan
No matter how fast you play with CP2 JS3, you would always have been faster without them
mossy zinc
Not if you're moving at warp 10.
next acorn
Just nuke the entire room lol
elfin rock
dc1
undone tartan
Savior greatshields are impossible on Hestia. And that sucks
mossy zinc
They are?
undone tartan
Well not literally impossible, but probably harder than EM4
mossy zinc
Savior Greatshields are definitely nasty.
undone tartan
Like a decent dash can save me from savior speeder numbskulls. But nothing can save me from savior greatshields (except maybe smoldering rip current but it’s AP2 RI2 )
mossy zinc
There's something that can save you from them.
undone tartan
Skill?
mossy zinc
Dying to Lernie.
undone tartan
radiant oriole
is the savior buff the one that gives blue hearts every few seconds
mossy zinc
Yes.
radiant oriole
i hate that one so much
only one i hate more is super speed
but yea ive been doing 50 heat gun for a bit now. IK i need to run zeus attack if i want to make it out of tartarus in under 5 minutes
but for some reason i get screwed over every time somehow
undone tartan
Eris?
undone tartan
Lost my last 3 runs in chamber 34 (AKA the last room I could realistically die in since bosses are easy, albeit slow)
bronze rapids
Savior Greatshields are definitely nasty.
the only upside is there are generally few of them, so less things in their range
idk about higher JS levels
bronze rapids
better than Tartaus skulls
undone tartan
Nooooooo shot
As I said, savior numbskulls can be handled with a good dash but savior greatshields are nearly impossible and nothing can save me from them (specifically Hestia aspect)
mossy zinc
lol no Savior Greatshields are definitely worse than Numbskulls.
Speeder Savior Greatshields is probably GGs if you don't have the build for it. Even if you win the encounter, you're losing too much time.
radiant oriole
i found with eris id empty the gun too fast and id have to reload
undone tartan
That just requires some general rail experience
undone tartan
Lucifer is super unsafe
mossy zinc
Eris and Hestia are way better for high heat.
radiant oriole
less range than normal gun?
undone tartan
No, it’s just very hard to get i-frames
daring hedge
triple bomb makes high heat lucifer much more capable
pretty rough without that hammer
undone tartan
Yeah that’s very true, but even with triple bomb it’s pretty rough compared to Hestia and Eris
undone tartan
That’s fair
daring hedge
yeah it's certainly not a top tier for high heat
undone tartan
Btw for Eris, you should definitely prioritize Delta Chamber. It gives i-frames on dash strikes which is amazing but also you’ll find it a lot easier since you said you struggle with managing your ammo
mossy zinc
A smaller mag means you get to use your Special more.
hearty onyx
As I said, savior numbskulls can be handled with a good dash but savior greatshi...
Man I remember those on my hestia 40
undone tartan
Yeah they’re a nightmare (I’m doing Hestia 50 attempts rn)
hearty onyx
I killed them with Tidal dash and a call instead
undone tartan
Really? Tidal is very unsafe in my experience, I had it but when I tried to use it I’d take huge damage
And if they have speeder then it’s actually just over
hearty onyx
I dunno, maybe I was just really good at dashing at the right time
hearty onyx
Better than running out the timer killing them safely
mossy zinc
Tidal Dash means you'll have to dash around them, not through them. Bait them to end their bull-rush next to a wall or obstacle, dash diagonally to get to their back, then dash into them for wall-slams.
As in, dash like this:
/
Not like this:
|
|
hearty onyx
We're not talking about the shield
undone tartan
What if they’re crowded into a small area?
mossy zinc
Ah, you were talking about Numbskulls. Eh, I dunno. I don't find them particularly difficult anymore at this point.
hearty onyx
Looks as if I misread your message
mossy zinc
Looks like it.
undone tartan
I thought we were talking about greatshields
hearty onyx
That was my mistake, I read bullrush and immediately thought about the shield
I forgot about the greatshield's "bullrush"
undone tartan
Savior numbskulls are either a reset or they’re fine, depending on if I have a damaging dash
But they’re also Tartarus so resets there feel a lot less painful
WTF 
WHYYY
AHHH
undone tartan
But Hades moves too fast he’ll just be out of the blast
solar maple
hazard bomb is the size of france
undone tartan
I know! And somehow he escapes it like most of the time
narrow carbon
Hope he doesn’t darkness and get him with hangover
undone tartan
I died
Wow
That’s insane
I cannot believe that happened
That’s actually so unbelievably stupid
mossy zinc
I cannot believe that happened
What, do you mean this? #h1-high-heat-strategies message
undone tartan
You know I’ve had 2 other runs today get stuck with lightning strike (after rolling)
undone tartan
What, do you mean this? https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/72502144...
Yeah
mossy zinc
undone tartan
And a run that got stuck with tempest strike after rolling
mossy zinc
This right here?
undone tartan
Yes Nyaa
quiet mountain
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/893705270369341440/i...
are we talking about this
undone tartan
LMAO
undone tartan
It was an emote of the HK boss AbsRad with the middle finger but it got censored
quiet mountain
emoji image sensoring
mossy zinc
Well.
quiet mountain
u cant just quit to start of chamber?
mossy zinc
That sounds like something that should get censored here.
quiet mountain
wait nvm xfd
undone tartan
u cant just quit to start of chamber?
????????
undone tartan
That sounds like something that should get censored here.
Oh yeah I’m not complaining lol
I’ve also gotten:
random Zeus boon
random Zeus boon
Lightning Strike
REROLL
random Zeus boon
random Zeus boon
Lightning Strike
Twice
And a third time but with tempest strike
undone tartan
Yeah but the odds of that are still incredibly low
Especially that it happened 3 times
quiet mountain
smth murphy smth
undone tartan
That’s not really how that works
undone tartan
No, it’s just bad luck, not really what Murphy’s law means
hearty onyx
Clearly, the developers programmed this to happen
undone tartan
AMIR 
hearty onyx
If you have the Shattered Shackle and AP2, you will always roll an attack boon
mossy zinc
Everybody knows what Murphy's Law means. Nobody cares.
Amir's Law.
As one of my ancestors said: If you eliminate the boons that you want, whatever remains, however improbable, must be what you get with AP2.
undone tartan
Even with 3 rolls
quiet mountain
especially with 3 rolls
mossy zinc
Elementary, my dear UnholyPancake.
You reroll, but you do not persuade. The distinction is clear.
As another of my ancestors said: believe in the heart of the dice.
narrow carbon
Were all the other rolls as critical as this last screen?
undone tartan
Not quite. But very close, since they were all in Elysium
mossy zinc
Were all the other rolls as critical as this last screen?
A critical miss, yes.
Natural 1.
undone tartan
And Elysium is the hardest part of the run beside getting my damage cut in half before Hades
But more “hardest” because there are some insanely bad rooms I could get
mossy zinc
Retrash sent you the winning piece for your build, and this is how you thank him.
undone tartan
Not even Retrash would recommend Drunken Strike Hestia (I think?)
mossy zinc
You wanted a solution for Savior.
There it is.
Retrash doesn't recommend things, he just does things.
undone tartan
In the final room of Styx
undone tartan
Retrash doesn't recommend things, he just does things.
That’s true
narrow carbon
Retrash did do lightning strike - not sure if drunken: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/878862574974803979/unknown.png
hearty onyx
That looks like he gave up on hestia halfway through
narrow carbon
AP2 things
undone tartan
It’s not a Hestia build though
undone tartan
That’s Walmart Zag rail right there
narrow carbon
With AP2, boons choose you
mossy zinc
Doesn't need to be great, just needs to be good enough.
next wyvern
not getting Jolted on zeus focus boon is such a pain
Also why is Zeus special has some kind of internal cooldown again?
mossy zinc
Because it would be broken if it didn't.
next wyvern
really?
atm it seems like the special deals nothing but relies mostly on jolt damage
hoary pasture
Jolt is your main dmg source on some builds
This is my Achilles 40 heat dmg chart https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/833392094151704626/123.png
next wyvern
hmm
mossy zinc
really?
Lol yes. Thunder Flourish on Chiron would just be straight up 240 damage at common.
AOE damage.
jaunty falcon
+300%
Compare that to aphro flourish which is +80%
And aphro flourish cant get jolted or double strike or get as much global damage benefit
next wyvern
Lol yes. Thunder Flourish on Chiron would just be straight up 240 damage at *com...
cant they just limit that on chiron?
chiron is just broken all around in general tbh
oh well
hearty onyx
Not just Chiron
Any weapon with a special that can hit very quickly
Or sea storm
Also changing how a boon works on exactly one weapon is probably more effort than it's worth
jaunty falcon
It's just Chiron and rama
And chaos
I don't think any other specials hit fast enough for the cooldown to matter
hearty onyx
Sea Storm
next wyvern
i guess Gun with 2 hammers
cursive portal
Seastorm chiron is probably the highest roll in the game
next wyvern
the 5 rockets thing
jaunty falcon
Double edge, shadow slash
hearty onyx
That allows for Gun, Spear (with Flurry Jab), and fists (potentially?)
cursive portal
Double edge if you hold attack to dash strike
Shadow slash if you dont feel like it
jaunty falcon
That allows for Gun, Spear (with Flurry Jab), and fists (potentially?)
Chain lightning cooldown is 0.15s
Lightning bolt cooldown is 0.2
hearty onyx
Yeah but lightning bolts deal more damage than chain lightning
next wyvern
Double edge if you hold attack to dash strike
like just spam the first stab dash?
that seems kinda boring
hearty onyx
Which means that eliminating the cooldown would give a massive dps boost
jaunty falcon
Zeus is already usually the best choice, or close to it, on those weapons
cursive portal
that seems kinda boring
Safer than standing in place dont you think
jaunty falcon
So it doesn't need a buff
cursive portal
With aphro strike and a chaos buff its good
next wyvern
Safer than standing in place dont you think
i mean i play arthur for big swing
cursive portal
Recommended smoldering air build
hoary pasture
Breaching slash is good overall aswell, but the other 2 mentioned are better imo
next wyvern
if stabby i can just play nemesis
cursive portal
Sword is a dash strike weapon
next wyvern
welp
radiant oriole
i guess ill stick with eris
i dont know what i was on yesterday but eris is so good
literally zeus attack and nearly anything works omg
why was i using lucifer lmao
left prism
bc is fun
hearty onyx
Going zeus attack everytime on Eris can get stale
bronze viper
Drunken Eris is more fun to play unless you have literally all of the Zeus fixin's lol
undone tartan
Eh I don’t agree
bronze viper
Oh I thought I was in speedcord, rip. Anyway, yeah it might just be copium because at 50+ Eris feels kinda pointless if you don't get Jolted in the first two biomes
undone tartan
That much is true
bronze viper
You can live without jolted until then but your damage is pretty much nonexistent when you enter Elysium 😦
And even then if you get jolted in Asphodel you're not incredibly likely to pom it a lot
quiet mountain
literally zeus attack and nearly anything works omg
zeus arter
undone tartan
Perfect 50 heat Hestia run
9 minutes left for Styx
Touch of Styx Dark and Touch of Styx
FOUR SACK
Die
I straight up only die to bad RNG on these runs
Either bad Elysium rooms, getting forced into an attack, or a 4+ sack
quartz mantle
It happens
cursive portal
Unmodded moment
narrow carbon
It sounds like regular rng, and you’re looking for good rng
mossy zinc
Yeah. Gonna take a whole lot more practice to do 50 Heat without good luck.
amber jetty
cursive portal
@hoary pasture switch to a hell mode file so you dont have to deal with JS3
and god's legacy to get mirage shot more consistenly
and dont take charged shot on heat this high, it removes your iframes
mossy zinc
Eh, Charged Shot is fine. Not an EM4 pact.
undone tartan
<:thanthink:669246004142538753> It sounds like regular rng, and you’re looking f...
Yeah that’s kinda true
undone tartan
Oke no more charged shot
I did 50 heat Beo with Charged Shot it was great
Helps a ton with the timer
hoary pasture
Yea my times are much better when I get Charged Shot but I'm so reckless I get killed by random crap because I let go too early
undone tartan
Well don’t be reckless, you have time
It’s charged shot
I (controversially) think that Charged Shot is the best Beowulf hammer by a decent margin (maybe not for EM4 but I don’t really have enough experience to say for sure)
quartz mantle
Charged shot is a great Beo hammer for zoomies and as long as you have more than one dash and no EM4
Wow that’s a top tier hammer damn
3 great options
undone tartan
Is UD actually good? I kinda thought it sucked
undone tartan
Charged shot is a great Beo hammer for zoomies and as long as you have more than...
Oh true I would not want CShot for single dash Beo
cursive portal
I like ferocious
waxen relic
Hammers for Beo are meh, you're looking for stuff that does anything.
cursive portal
Just get the sturdy from hyper sprint or smth
undone tartan
Ferocious is great
undone tartan
I thought Unyielding Defense was total crap
hoary pasture
Yea I like Ferocious aswell
cursive portal
I thought Unyielding Defense was total crap
Beo just doesn't get hit as much to make it worth
waxen relic
You don't always get Hyper. And Sturdy gives not only no-stun.
quartz mantle
Unyielding is constant sturdy
That’s like 30% damage resistance and no stuns
It’s great defensively
next acorn
Unyielding cozy
radiant oriole
is it possible to get image perms for a channel like this
in a tight situation idk which to pick
running 50 heat eris rail
got cucked out of zoos attack and got athena attack + ares special
now im offered merciful end or divine dash idk which to pick
sand temple
just post the image elsewhere and link to it
unborn fjord
I used to really not like Zeus aspect shield, but now it's carrying me through 32 heat so
unborn fjord
honest kernel
more like hestia fail amirite
unborn fjord
10/10 pun, would recommend
unborn fjord
r e s e t ? /s
undone tartan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/893962227353284679/Had...
That happened to me 3 times yesterday
But at 50 heat
unborn fjord
is it worth pomming athena's call at high heat with smoldering air
undone tartan
At least a few times, sure
unborn fjord
or should I just go all in on double strike
unborn fjord
oof
undone tartan
or should I just go all in on double strike
Where are you getting the lightning from?
unborn fjord
zeus special
unborn fjord
rn? 3
undone tartan
What level is Athena’s Aid? Level 1?
unborn fjord
yes
undone tartan
I’d probably pom Athena’s aid for the extra 0.6 seconds. Seems better than +5% for double strike
hardy garden
reeee made it past champs with 3 acorn charges left
now watch me 5 sack cuz i have 7 minutes for styx
and no more shackle
let me purge zeus attack but not special
i regret not buying that dd in elysium thinking patty hade a chance of showing up
annnnnnd ap2 deleted epic aphro attack
lightning rod.....
couldve had my zeus special replaced for heroic arty special but ap2 gave me rod instead lmao
undone tartan
62 hp for EM2 Lernie <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Is that… bad?
Because I’d be very happy to have 62hp for Lernie
That would mean I have over 200 max hp
Or I just picked up a heart I guess
pseudo kernel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/893962227353284679/Had...
Pog
undone tartan
Wait does Piercing Fire shoot through (and deal damage to) greatshields even if they’re blocking?
hardy garden
Wait does Piercing Fire shoot through (and deal damage to) greatshields even if ...
yeah
hardy garden
just run around them smh
undone tartan
Savior
undone tartan
Seeker strongbows
trim sigil
Speeder Warper Greatshields
undone tartan
Savior is way worse than warper there
honest kernel
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> hestia rail
zag even said “not what i need right now” and zeus said yes you do
undone tartan
How can Guan Yu be considered a glass cannon if the DPS is bad even with the best hammer?
And a 250% special boon
Wtf
full fossil
is it considered to be that?
undone tartan
Well Nyaa calls it that
solar maple
The problem is you are used to Beowulf which is just a regular cannon
undone tartan
Nah I use a lot of aspects
I just did 40 24/24 after all
Guan Yu has terrible damage and half health
Although clearly not that bad since I just beat 45 with it
solar maple
The damage is fine, but not enough to warrant -50% hp I agree
undone tartan
Why is serrated point bad with flurry jab?
I’ve heard it’s bad but never had it
I assume that a 45 heat run would not be a good time to test it, so I’ll probably take vicious skewer
quartz mantle
dash attack animation too long with serrated
undone tartan
Ohh that makes sense
solar maple
Yeah. It’s better than just serrated though
So if you have serrated first flurry is good
quartz mantle
Are you talking about the shield rush?
undone tartan
No, Achilles
mossy zinc
If there are any, it's not a lot.
mossy zinc
Why is serrated point bad with flurry jab?
Same problems as Flurry Slash. Trying to empty-dash out of a Flurry Jab will trigger a Dash-Attack. Doing a Dash-Attack will trigger a Flurry Jab after the Dash.