but at heat the god you anger combined with the elites can be downright scary
#h1-high-heat-strategies
eternal hare
glossy geyser
yup. I learned that the hard way, especially when I was still using Jury Summons + Benefits Package 2
eternal hare
trials can't give you duo boons btw so if you were actively hunting for ME itself that was a waste, but it would still have been very good if you needed some other parts of the build
glossy geyser
they can't ? ok, that's some useful info 🙂
glossy geyser
other question: while Eurydice and Patrocle seem great, is Sysyphus worth it ?
eternal hare
typically yeah
for one, it's a free room so there's that
but also another 100 gold can serve you quite well
amber jetty
Also bouldy boon carry
glossy geyser
I don't do it yet because I still need nectar to unlock characters
eternal hare
the only times i've ever passed him up is if he's up against a midshop and I really want to buy a boon from there
but it's quite rare when that happens
glossy geyser
I have a couple of last questions, thanks for all of this, really
is Hard Labor ever worth it over Lasting Consequences ? (note: the run I won I did 100% LC and went with Stubborn Defiance)
eternal hare
if you're dipping your toes into heat it can definitely feel scary
it's totally worth maxing out both though as you increase the heat
not necessarily an answer to your question since my answer really is "just take both"
eternal hare
double damage isn't as scary as you think
like you get used to it
same way you got used to LC4 SD
glossy geyser
it's not the mobs I fear, it's getting hit by a boss to kingdom come
especially on FO2
amber jetty
The worst part of hl5 for me is hades, it's not too bad otherwise
eternal hare
yeah, best I can say is practice
glossy geyser
oh, side question, since you guys only play high heat, do you ALWAYS play on FO2? That setting seemed at the same time the most dangerous, but... 3 heat
eternal hare
for me yes but I also only exclusively play 40/50 categories
glossy geyser
I don't know if my heart can take it all the time
eternal hare
the way I see it, there's no point confusing my brain with various speeds so I just treat FO2 as the default
glossy geyser
also, I was using Antos (that's the only companion I have a couple of levels in), and I was wondering if in the Hades fight, they get confused and hit, say, Vases
(is Vase the correct word ? the thing with the hands that Hades deploys)
eternal hare
that I don't actually know since I don't typically use antos
the most common companion of choice is meg's battie
glossy geyser
I've seen that in a couple of videos, but I don't have it unlocked yet
eternal hare
antos is still quite good and can save you if you're scared of high-heat furies
my suspicion is that they won't hit the pots since you're not really doing damage to them
but I also wouldn't be surprised either way
glossy geyser
and, I think that's my last question: for some time I was trying to win using Demeter Strike on Twin Fists (Zagreus). That helped me quite a bit in handling FO2. I think I even got close to beating Hades once (but I was too short on time). My conclusion was that while Demeter made fights (especially boss fights) significantly easier, it was just too slow to complete the game in a timely manner.
That time when I won, I tried to mimic what I saw in a video and went Ares-Athena chasing the Merciful End. I ended up with scary damage and Hades kind of melted (though I was probably too reckless and barely survived).
I guess my question is: to tackle higher heats, is the better strategy to always look for the busted damage options? I mean: is "just good and useful" not enough ?
eternal hare
that's up to you to decide
up until a certain level of heat your ability to go for the top-tier builds isn't affected
the moment you start taking things like routine inspection or approval process it becomes significantly harder to go for those builds since they need so much
at that point you have to start thinking of builds that are good enough to get you the win instead of the top-tier busted builds
glossy geyser
ok, makes sense.
eternal hare
you can always go for the top-tier builds regardless, but it is up to you as a player to decide if you're okay grinding for it
glossy geyser
oh, just thought of something, and this time, this will probably be my last question 🙂
it's not entirely high heat related, but I find it hard to judge while frantically hitting mobs: that Hermes boon that heals you up if you dodge just after taking damage... Good, bad ? How... (looking for the english word) leniant? flexible? is the timing ? Do you have only a split second to get the dodge to heal (making it more random and you heal sometimes if you're lucky) or is it pretty generous ?
eternal hare
admittedly that one's kinda hard to tell, haha
I'd imagine there are lots of situations where you dash a little bit too late and get hit right before you dash so you'll always get some value out of it
I'd say it's very solidly in the "okay" tier but you'd likely prefer something that helps with movement (hyper sprint, greatest reflex)
glossy geyser
ok
well, that is all for me. Thanks so much for answering my questions good sir/lady.
eternal hare
no problem
also if you're interested in improving at your clearing speed in general there is the speedrunning discord too
glossy geyser
I think I'm going to let my heartrate slow down a bit first. And spend time grinding hearts, I only have 5 weapons unlocked rn, I want to try the other playstyles;
eternal hare
no prob, if you're ever feeling it though it's in the pins in #self-promotion
super friendly welcoming and helpful community there as well
glossy geyser
excellent. and duly noted.
well, I guess I'm going to make a much, much more laid back run. See you next time, and thanks, again.
solemn pulsar
well, that is all for me. Thanks so much for answering my questions good sir/lad...
(Clearly a camel)
mossy zinc
Without Deflect or block or anything, there are two ways:
(1) you stand close to an obstacle, then dash away from the obstacle when he gets close; and
(2) you stand between two obstacles, then dash through Asterius when he gets close.
Obstacles include the arena wall, the pillars, and Theseus.
Things that help tremendously with dealing with his charge are: Greatest Reflex, Hyper Sprint, Second Wind, Greater Evasion, Chill in any form, Numbing Sensation, Ignited Ichor, Evergreen Acorn, Divine Protection, Smoldering Air, Weak in any form, Abyssal Blood, Hallowed Ground, Greater Consecration, Block, Bull Rush/Dragon Rush, Charm.
The reason newer players tend to fail 1 and 2 is that they're not close enough to those positions in the first place.
For 32 specifically, I'd recommend HL5 FO0 over HL0 FO2. You'll take less damage in encounters because it's so much easier to evade damage, and you'll have a much better chance at clearing Erebus for big rewards, too.
glossy geyser
I see
specifically about "not being close enough to those positions in the first place"... is this achievable with melee ? I mean, you have to be close and in the back of Asterius most of the time, I don't feel like I can achieve that while both keeping close to pillars at the same time - and I can react dash through the closest pillar but often he will manage to turn around it
mossy zinc
Dash away from the pillar, not through.
glossy geyser
actually, your (2) intrigues me. Are you saying that if I'm exactly in between 2 pillars, dashing through Asterius will make him hit one ?
mossy zinc
Directly or diagonally towards Asterius.
He'll try to do a 180° and crash into one.
Most of the time.
glossy geyser
ok, I guess I'll have to try that to get a feel for it
mossy zinc
And if he doesn't, you'll have bought enough time to try something else.
glossy geyser
yeah, I usually try to dash away from him and through a pillar, probably not the good strat
mossy zinc
That's something we all end up learning doesn't work out more often than it does. 
glossy geyser
k, thanks for the tip
fun fact, I'm actually going to face him in a second, so, I will try to implement this right now. though I guess it will be hard to train the brain to not panic and "see threat ? go awaaaaaay"
mossy zinc
You can make a practice save if you're on PC.
glossy geyser
unfortunately I can't, I'm on Xbox
mossy zinc
In that case, suffer. 
glossy geyser
well... didn't get a chance. My build is totally busted (and I'm only on 20 heat with FO1) and... I kinda melted him before he even got a charge in 🙂
Achille Spear + rank 5 Heroic Trippy Shot + Demeter/Dio duo
shy plinth
glossy geyser
funny how when you start this game you feel like "uh? I'm only tickling this boss, I guess I'm in for a marathon of dodging" and then you start to see the damage potential of some combinations....
shy plinth
Yep, I remember the first time I felt fully broken
I lucked into hera hunting blades and didn't really understand what was happening
undone tartan
What does your pact look like rn?
worn iron
Anyway i just see no reason to pick a god at the start for a chance of something good when Shackles are basically "you set for Tartarus"
Cant attach pics, but uhh
undone tartan
Also, if you want to do 32 with Guan Yu, I will not stop you. I’ll just warn it’s a hard aspect for 32, or at least it was for me
I really wouldn’t start with Shackle unless you’re using AP2
worn iron
Whats AP2 again?
honest kernel
gods are quintessential for most builds and you want to get the right ones. usually you'll plan your build ahead
undone tartan
Ok I gtg, good luck. I leave you in the capable hands of the people of this channel
honest kernel
that being said shackle can be okay but it depends on the aspect
like hestia with shackle is very okay for 32
worn iron
Nevermind i died again to touhou room
shy plinth
Def curious about your mirror and pacts
You can post your last victory screenshot in #h1-victory-boasting if that's easier
honest kernel
sharing your setup helps a lot
honest kernel
you can post it in a diff discord and copy paste the pic link
worn iron
Oof, sec
Sorry for quality no internet on PC and all that
Thats what i was trying at the moment
shy plinth
Calisthenics program is a nightmare
Wait RI3???
Holy crap you are punishing yourself
honest kernel
thats ri1 I think
worn iron
Only ri1 actually
shy plinth
So death's defiance is usually better unless you're going for LC4, double dash is almost always better than ruthless unless you're on gilga or in very specific circumstances, thick skin is usually much stronger than high confidence and way safer
shy plinth
Family favorite is usually preferable to PS since it's more reliable and better in tart, Dark Foresight is the best mirror option in the game
Legacy vs pride is a matter of preference, usually pride works out better unless you're hunting a specific duo like ME or mirage shot
Persuasion is obv better than authority
worn iron
I picked stubborn cause i figured it might help on guan yu cause regen and all that
shy plinth
Stubborn isn't bad and is meta with LC4
But it requires your boss fights to be clean
At higher heat it is near exclusively stubborn+LC4
worn iron
Lc is lasting consequences?
worn iron
Does it removes the healing or just halves it?
shy plinth
Remove
You keep the refill from stubborn but all other healing is gone
You learn to pop your defiance on purpose in rooms
hardy garden
and occasionally killing yourself on purpose in lava thinking you had your defiance still
shy plinth
It is a rite of passage
amber jetty
~~and occasionally killing yourself on purpose in lava thinking you had your def...
or even better, killing yourself between biomes because you bought a touch of styx after dying and have around 3 braincells
shy plinth
Phew that lernie fight was close! Let me just refill here oh.
left prism
SD doesnt refill there?
hardy garden
if you already lost it to lernie
worn iron
Btw what causes the touhou rooms?
hardy garden
witch circle?
worn iron
In tartarus
left prism
Yeah dont mind me, readed that as dying in the mid biome ww
honest kernel
worn iron
I just occasionally have room full of witches that machinegun whole room with projectiles.
As in literally the whole room
left prism
https://youtu.be/1Dm_0a5sRqg
Painfully funny 
amber jetty
What does touhou mean?
hardy garden
well thats just room rng
amber jetty
https://youtu.be/1Dm_0a5sRqg
mood
hardy garden
What does touhou mean?
bullet hell basically
waxen relic
I just occasionally have room full of witches that machinegun whole room with pr...
That's called luck. Or the lack thereof.
worn iron
I never had them before trying BP + forced overtime 2
waxen relic
Do you know the different Perks by now?
hardy garden
whats fun is having a mob of shielders just instantly giving each other 5 damage control hearts
worn iron
No idea
waxen relic
BP makes it so that your foes get various Perks (one combo on one type of foe max per room). Among them is stuff like homing, more speed, more armor..
amber jetty
I never had them before trying BP + forced overtime 2
you could be getting cloner witches?
waxen relic
And they each have a recognizable icon.
amber jetty
makes enemies spawn clones with 1 hp and 1 armor
worn iron
Ive seen some of those yes but pretty sure it wasnt that
Probably
I didnt saw anything on the screen except bullets
waxen relic
Make a screenshot next time.
worn iron
It would be a purple screen with nothing on it, lol
undone tartan
Routine Inspection 
waxen relic
.. i feel called out.
mossy zinc
Anyway i just see no reason to pick a god at the start for a chance of something...
You're not building for Tartarus. Tartarus is easy. You're building for the later biomes.
undone tartan
Using RI because you want an extra challenge is cool.
Using RI because you’re at such a high heat that it’s required is cool.
Using RI at 32 because you think it’s an easier option is not cool
shy plinth
God keepsake in tart is building the foundation for your house
If you skip the foundation for your house so you can build a cool second floor later you run the risk of the whole thing falling over
Your goal is to get a duo or at least guaranteed prereqs for your duo by Asphodel
hardy garden
having a doodoo build due to not having your last three mirror upgrades isnt worth it
quiet mountain
tbf tho getting the god you would take a keepsake for is kinda winner tho
hardy garden
ig you could check out tartarus a bit then do a seeded run
jaunty falcon
Fists
left prism
HS 
worn iron
Bull man bad and i cant dodhe him at all :c
jaunty falcon
I'd remove HS and do TD3 and probably either FO1 or HL2
But if you can't comfortably clear in under 20 mins, keep it at TD2
worn iron
Im not attempted TD2 in a very long time
mossy zinc
Or you could do TD3 and practice to clear under 20 min comfortably.
TD2 just means you're putting 3 Heat into something worse than TD3.
quiet mountain
i really respect that pact don’t listen to any of these cowards
worn iron
Ok you convinced me TD3 it is
worn iron
My lawyer insist on me not anwering such question
shy plinth
You'll know if TD is right for you by what feels comfortable
worn iron
But TD1 is usually not a problem, TD2 should be manageable
shy plinth
TD2 is usually not so tough
mossy zinc
Cowards? How about you meet me in the courtyard. 
shy plinth
I do like the idea of practicing TD3 but I don't know your normal clear range
mossy zinc
Them gods ain't gonna help ya.
worn iron
Td3 gotta be tought tho
bright ibex
TD2 is easy imo
quiet mountain
td3 is ez
shy plinth
Depends on each person's current comfort level
They're pacts that can be adapted to but they're not free
quiet mountain
Them gods ain't gonna help ya. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
no gods no leaders
mossy zinc
Anything so far sub 52 is easy to begin with. 
quiet mountain
if u ain’t 15m 65 no hit don’t @ me
mossy zinc
You just need to win. Ain't nobody asking how you won.
quiet mountain
51 seconds left 🧠
worn iron
Time to whip out Meg keepsake
worn iron
Who, me?
next wyvern
no not you
worn iron
Understandable
quiet mountain
i mean aphro generally works well with priv stat
idk if i’d want zeus to be the other dependent god but he could work
next wyvern
but like static discharge gone fast right?
quiet mountain
just that you’ll need to work him into your combos to keep it on the same target
or use demeter
next wyvern
I mean Zeus does way more on FO2
quiet mountain
i assume u r rolling for smoldering
quiet mountain
demeter would work better for procing ur priv & use zeus aid to grab smoldering
but weapon dependent idk all ur build
honest kernel
depends on how you apply jolted+weak but I just go family fav for these
next wyvern
well my plan is Aphro atk Zeus special on Chaos then all in for Zeus
or Poms
I will never touch Underworld custom again
Got past Thesesus with 3 revives on arthur and not forcing me to sell smolder, zeus call or aphro atk
quiet mountain
rip
quiet mountain
real
honest kernel
also on chaos priv stat sounds alright
quiet mountain
priv gone
next wyvern
is that damage boosted?
bronze rapids
been trying 32 heat Zag bow and keep timing out in Elysium. I've tried starting Artemis to get Deadly Strike, also starting Aphrodite to get Crush Shot and basically use the cast for damage in Tartarus while trying to pick up Zeus call - thoughts to get the time down? (on TD3)
next wyvern
so jolt damage isnt voosyed by Priv?
jaunty falcon
been trying 32 heat Zag bow and keep timing out in Elysium. I've tried starting ...
Start Zeus cast maybe? It clears rooms really fast
quiet mountain
but mayb not
next wyvern
have fun collect back those tho
quiet mountain
if i had to choose i pick yes
next wyvern
Zeus cast sounds nice untol it gone off screen
quiet mountain
zeus cast sound nice until wave 2
next wyvern
or somewhere in middle of lava or you cant even reach in Elysium
jaunty falcon
All of this Zeus cast slander
jaunty falcon
The point is that it clears Tartarus really fast and by the time you're in Elysium then you have the build already
bronze rapids
what's a goon boon on special or do you never use it
jaunty falcon
Don't use it
bronze rapids
doom????
quiet mountain
what
next wyvern
anything that can make a better duo boon for ya
hell take Athena special
For windwall shenanigans
I swear if i see another combination of speeder cloning witches
how am i supposed to react to that
bronze rapids
clones hurt my soul
eternal hare
been trying 32 heat Zag bow and keep timing out in Elysium. I've tried starting ...
artemis attack with any good attack hammer should be plenty for tartarus
your pact could also potentially be optimized better for zag bow but I don't know the specifics of what you currently have right now
bronze rapids
should I kill enemies as they come or intentionally try lining them up to hit them all at once
quiet mountain
whatever works
eternal hare
if they line up naturally for you then go for it but don't waste your time not attacking to try to line them up
jaunty falcon
If they line up naturally, go for that
eternal hare
make liberal use of boiling blood
jaunty falcon
Use fiery presence if you're not already doing so
quiet mountain
beo: ????
bronze rapids
ehh can't remember pact off the top of my head but it's pretty vanilla
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3, and then played around with CF1 DC1 or FO1
next wyvern
beowulf with charge shot feels like a better Hera
quiet mountain
yea it is
eternal hare
yeah that should be a fine pact
jaunty falcon
beowulf with charge shot feels like a better Hera
Yup
next wyvern
maybe less damage but way more aoe and a shield
jaunty falcon
Beowulf charged shot is considered the best aspect in the game by some
eternal hare
getting a good hammer is a pretty big deal so i'd try until you get something like twin or triple shot and see if that helps you out a bit
next wyvern
i still feel like Chaos is better tho
bronze rapids
the one time I got triple I did the trying to refresh SD with no SD goof, and never got it again
quiet mountain
chaos is funny
next wyvern
at least for me i'm not done 50 heats yet
jaunty falcon
Chaos is so slow
next wyvern
wdym slow
jaunty falcon
The special takes ages to come back
next wyvern
pain
quiet mountain
dashed flight supremacy
jaunty falcon
I did make use of dashing flight in one run, but it was with explosive return
next wyvern
Nah stil charge shot
jaunty falcon
The +200% applies to the explosion too
next wyvern
made me feel like off brand reverse Chiron
bronze rapids
is flurry shot good on zag bow
eternal hare
flurry typically better as a 2nd hammer though
bronze rapids
cool
next wyvern
the only bow i play is Rama tbh
quiet mountain
fair
next wyvern
It feels like an actual bow
bronze rapids
I got Rama 32 first try lol
next wyvern
those damned thing are hard to draw af
bronze rapids
think I did JS2 DC2 too
next wyvern
just get twin shot firsy hammer and it is usually GG for rama
bronze rapids
I tried a irl compound bow and just couldn't draw it as all
next wyvern
Yeah bows are very heavy tp draw
bronze rapids
too high for me
next wyvern
the lightest of bow is already heavy for untrained people
bronze rapids
I think it was a hunting compound bow so probably pretty heavy???
next wyvern
Well it has to be or else not enough force to make the arrows actually lethal
bronze rapids
basic recurves feel fine to me
next wyvern
Off topic
bronze rapids
getting moved to general discussion in 3...2...
next wyvern
bean
worn iron
I got to Elysium with 2 minutes on the clock and still ran out of time 2 rooms before Theseus
next wyvern
which wep?
jaunty falcon
C33 and 34 can really suck yeah
worn iron
Fists
quiet mountain
fista
jaunty falcon
Not in Elysium
eternal hare
zeus with just the attack does barely anything
worn iron
Yea i didnt had zeus tho, i had demetra attack
jaunty falcon
And not really without jolt
eternal hare
really need jolted to make it scale into elysium
worn iron
I didnt met zeus at all
jaunty falcon
I don't pom the attack like, ever
worn iron
And yea i made a mistake of washing away dionis call cause underworld customs
next wyvern
just use the good old zeus call smoldering
on fist
should be really easy since it charge call up so fast
worn iron
What is smoldering again?
quiet mountain
more god call but never good god call
next wyvern
god call spam
quiet mountain
smoldering aphro is fun
worn iron
Anyway what god should i focus on with fists
shy plinth
Either go merciful end or zeus attack
worn iron
So i dont get fista myself
shy plinth
Merciful end is the strongest build for sure
quiet mountain
sea storm build is fun
worn iron
What is mercyful end again?
shy plinth
Just take athena keepsake for tartarus and take special
You'll see her more early and will prioritize core boons
next wyvern
athena also may give you more reives later
quiet mountain
can u get pulverizing blow + charg shot on shield
i think yes but next question is do they work together
quartz mantle
They affect two different things on the shield so I don’t see why not
Pulv blow affects your regular attack charged shot affects your bull rush
worn iron
What would be the best combo for zag sword?
quiet mountain
nemesis
worn iron
No
worn iron
Uh... What nemesis build?
quiet mountain
arti ark
aphro special
aim 4 heart rend
2 smack dash hammer
jaunty falcon
ME is best on zag sword
quartz mantle
Drunken strike if you’re really cool
quiet mountain
ME is best on zag sword
also a fair option
mossy zinc
been trying 32 heat Zag bow and keep timing out in Elysium. I've tried starting ...
Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark, Chaos Boons are pretty much your ways to scale crit damage.
glossy geyser
so, was experimenting with pact options. wanted to try heightened security, although people warned me not to. why didn't I listen?
run ruined by stepping on an Hades pot with him down to 5% hps, 2nd phase. pots that I never touch in most of my runs. grrmbl
quiet mountain
hs moment
left prism
another victim falls to hs
quiet mountain
Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark, Chaos Boons are pretty much your ways to scale crit d...
clean kill
mossy zinc
Clean Kill isn't worth mentioning.
mossy zinc
Clean Kill is a boon you take when you couldn't roll something you wanted.
glossy geyser
what's your opinion on Greater Reflex vs Ruthless Reflex ? used to always autopick Greater but recent experiments led me to believe that Ruthless is actually the stronger option...
eternal hare
GR in the vast majority of cases
the extra mobility and flexibility you have to be able to dodge things is pretty huge
RR has some niche uses though
shy plinth
Like Gilga
shy plinth
Isn't a second dash better for distance
mossy zinc
Some aspects are practically unplayable against EM4 at high heats with only one dash unless you happen to get ridiculously high dodge chance.
Or are just generally a pain to play with one dash.
Like Rama.
quiet mountain
i don’t disagree rr has its uses
shy plinth
2 dash for distance
1 dash for like most things
Should be two dash for most things
Almost all things tbh
You need a really good reason to go single dash
quiet mountain
i like the damage the 1 dash gives
mossy zinc
More dashes means more i-frames. There's a reason Greatest Reflex is one of the very best boons in the game.
More dashes also mean more Dash-Strikes.
glossy geyser
I liked Ruthless with twin fists. since usually stun lock whatever is in melee combat with me, I just need to dodge the ranged stuff, which didn't seem too hard
mossy zinc
I did mainly Ruthless Reflex on Malphon until I got into high heats. It's decent for Zag Fists with a dodge build but not very good for the others.
So many new people in high heat this weak. Are the new console players slowly getting there? 
flat flicker
So many new people in high heat this weak. Are the new console players slowly ge...
Yep
I’ve given three people with Xbox and PlayStation copies as birthday gifts since it came out
jaunty falcon
Was there a similar situation last September?
glossy geyser
that's what I'm playing it, at least. Though I admit, it may be one of the few Game Pass games where I'm thinking... hmm... maybe I should get this
the other ones being Hollow Knight and Dead Cells. Especially Hollow Knight. I'm in love with this game and can't wait for Silksong
hardy garden
yeah lol got hades with gamepass and did my first 32 heat run today
quiet mountain
1 dash is better if ur not getting hit
glossy geyser
fun thing being I was expecting to be disappointed since everyone was giving raving reviews to Bastion, Pyre and Transistor... and didn't really like those games. But Hades. Supergiant games really pulled it off this time.
flat flicker
the other ones being Hollow Knight and Dead Cells. Especially Hollow Knight. I'm...
yooo I just started hollow knight super based game
glossy geyser
Hollow Knight is up there - IF you like the art and atmosphere. I loved all of it. The base game is awesome just as a chill out game. The end game content scratches that hardcore player hitch nicely.
jaunty falcon
I found hollow knight too hard, I kept putting it down
glossy geyser
lol
jaunty falcon
And then I played it after I played Hades, and didn't have any issue with beating it
glossy geyser
says guy in "hades-high-heat"
jaunty falcon
Hades trained me to be good at games
amber jetty
And then I played it after I played Hades, and didn't have any issue with beatin...
How far did you get
Hk is one of my favorite games, the bosses in it are super fun imo
glossy geyser
personally I did everything (collesseum of fools, path of pains, zote, pantheons) EXCEPT Pantheon of Hallownest
that one, not sure I have the patience
glossy geyser
I just beat the hollow knight I think
ie, you just scratched the surface 🙂
glossy geyser
Ok off topic, nice chat <:goaThumbsUp:745653841076420698>
anyways, yes
amber jetty
Just realized clockwise said 112% and rmac did hk, was confused lmao
flat flicker
And then I played it after I played Hades, and didn't have any issue with beatin...
That’s how I feel too lol I’m like ten hours in and it’s like wow I don’t suck at games any more
bronze rapids
pretty sure suffering through hornet 2 helped me second try Meg
glossy geyser
@mossy zinc ok, finally got to try what you said earlier about handling Asterius charge. That actually feels much better - though not totally failsafe, but I'm going to get better at this - so, thank you, I guess 🙂
undone tartan
personally I did everything (collesseum of fools, path of pains, zote, pantheons...
P5
unique zephyr
P5 is what I'm currently working on
although I am taking a short break from Godhome to do second playthrough to get the mutually exclusive achievements and engage with the exploration aspects again
static plover
#video-games for any further HK talk please 
viral estuary
whats a good 32 heat build for arthur
hardy garden
grab life affirmation and centaur hearts and become chonk
undone tartan
Yeah Life Affirmation in Tartarus is always pretty good
Especially on less safe weapons like Arthur
hardy garden
what other god you want. guess might as well grab zeus call and smouldering air
undone tartan
I always call my runs “higher heat runs”, even at 40 heat, because I don’t want people to think that I’m running high heat (like 50+), and expect me to be like really good at the game
Like 40 is on the higher end of heat, but it still feels so low compared to like 50 heat and beyond
flat flicker
Like 40 is on the higher end of heat, but it still feels so low compared to like...
yeah man, rememeber your first ever run? that was 8 heat from routine inspection
your next frontier is routine inspection and EM4 my dude
undone tartan
I didn’t win my first ever run
flat flicker
my point is something about youve gotten gud
and if you keep putting in the time youll eventually figure out how to do it
and also accept that like, 75% of attempts will be dead on arrival lol
undone tartan
Tbh I don’t know if I want to go much above 40. Once I need to put on RI, EM4, CP, HS, or AP, it kinda start being a lot less fun
Especially RI AP and CP
undone tartan
That could be fun
flat flicker
em4's a doozy
ive never once felt like em4 was a sure thing
ive cruised through 32 heat runs before
but once you get em4, doesnt matter if you have smoldering zeus call with legendary, its gonna be sweat
also whos your main in smash bros
flat flicker
man I hope zag is the next character
would prob play like that dragon quest dude who can pick like 25 moves
flat flicker
Who knows
flat flicker
😦
next wyvern
so run dead by elysium
flat flicker
Poseidon call is pretty based tho
next wyvern
i dont like it
undone tartan
Why do you need Zeus call?
next wyvern
how else am i gonna scale?
undone tartan
Poseidon call is super good
next wyvern
against bosses
flat flicker
Splash dash
undone tartan
If your build literally needs your damage to come from your call you’re going everything wrong
flat flicker
Exit wounds
undone tartan
But also why are you using Zeus cast for Poseidon sword?
next wyvern
Meow said it is good
flat flicker
What do you take pancake
undone tartan
Athena
flat flicker
I never tried it tbh
next wyvern
Athena cast feels off to me tbh
flat flicker
like a real run w actual heat haha
Athena cast get Zeus aid and the phalanx bomb it’ll be super based
Bonus points for aphro attack and smoldering air
undone tartan
Athena cast feels off to me tbh
Well it has like 70% more damage than Zeus cast, so that would solve your issue of bosses being too hard
flat flicker
Smoldering usually can save a bad run lol
undone tartan
Seriously if you need a specific call to not have a “dead run”, you really need to try a different build or change your mindset
flat flicker
*unless you’re building towards smoldering air
undone tartan
No, any smoldering air build should be able to make do with a lot of different calls
flat flicker
Yeah one of my 40 heat runs was smoldering Athena call that I pommed to level 9
undone tartan
Zeus, Poseidon, Athena, Dionysus
flat flicker
undone tartan
If you need a specific call for your run to not be “a dead run”, then you’re really doing it wrong
flat flicker
@next wyvern try Artemis - true shot into exit wounds is pretty based, and heart rend via aphro special is a solid way to go
Is it the best build? No
next wyvern
well zeus can clear room fast
flat flicker
But I think that will feel more comfortable
yeah the idea with Poseidon sword isn’t room clear
It’s boomstick one by one
next wyvern
and transition into Zeus call snolderring sounds much better
blaat it i'll just use Arthur
flat flicker
Yes, if you get a natural Zeus, but the cost of adding a new god to your god pool is pretty high and often makes it way harder to get the duos you want
Yeah aphro attack Arthur into smoldering is super based
undone tartan
You really need to be more open to other calls. Yes, Zeus’s aid is generally the best call, but that doesn’t mean you literally need it
flat flicker
Cursed slash Arthur is meta now
undone tartan
flat flicker
Poseidon’s aid with rip current is super good
next wyvern
curse slash?
flat flicker
That’s a joke
next wyvern
like backstab?
undone tartan
Poseidon’s aid with rip current is super good
Rip current 
flat flicker
My first 32 heat was Eris rail smoldering with rip current
on em 4
because I was dumb lol
undone tartan
Smoldering Air + Rip Current is so strong especially with a fast hitting aspect like Eris
hardy garden
im a coward so me with em3 fo1 32 heat pact
glacial gorge
I personally always felt FO is kinda like damage control in that if you handle lvl1 you should max it anyways. Its makes the champion battle alot harder tho
Plus its 6 heat
hardy garden
I personally always felt FO is kinda like damage control in that if you handle l...
Yeah thats a lot of why id rather have other things first before i max it. When using stubborn defiance and lc 4 im mainly worried about boss fights which fo2 makes riskier and in general the even faster attacks makes avoiding damage much more difficult that the three heat is less felt from other things.
undone tartan
I personally always felt FO is kinda like damage control in that if you handle l...
I strongly disagree. FO1 still feels like it’s a pretty good deal for 3 heat, and feels pretty manageable, but FO2 is way harder. Telegraphs start to feel way too short, enemies start to feel way too fast, things get a lot harder
honest kernel
FO2 feels like its own thing yea
glacial gorge
I strongly disagree. FO1 still feels like it’s a pretty good deal for 3 heat, an...
Come to think of it i rarely run FO1 so maybe its just takes time getting used to it. Ik its popular for speed running too tho i haven't really gone into that
undone tartan
FO2 is best for speedruns
undone tartan
I know Parting Shot isn’t terrible, but I really wish it was replaced by a great/good duo. Since Aphrodite and Athena are always my go-to gods for high heat (big damage and weak + divine dash and DDs), I get offered it a lot but it’s just so worthless for most builds
mossy zinc
Their Duo used to be what Calculated Risk is now.
undone tartan
Tbh I’d prefer that
next wyvern
I only use fo2 with shields
The only way i can deal with Aesterius the Flash is a shield
undone tartan
Divine Dash
next wyvern
nah
hardy garden
just get the great greater greatest reflex
gaunt fiber
It's okay on Arthur yeah
next wyvern
you mean facetank?
undone tartan
Cursed slash?
gaunt fiber
Yeah
hardy garden
uh
next wyvern
I am bad at backstab bosses
undone tartan
CS does not allow you to face tank lmao
hardy garden
its like the worst thing on arthur
next wyvern
and i really dont like dash attack playstyle
undone tartan
How are you supposed to facetank with like 70 health
gaunt fiber
It's not proper face tank but it's okay for high heat
mossy zinc
Divine Strike, Malphon, punch Asterius to stop his charge.
hardy garden
slowest sword
undone tartan
its like the worst thing on arthur
Yeah it’s really really really terrible
next wyvern
I wish there is a hammer emphasize more on Arthur last slash
kinda like thrust hammer for normal swords
i guess i can use the one boost damage with coins
mossy zinc
Cruel Thrust doesn't do anything.
undone tartan
Cruel Thrust is so bad
hardy garden
when it doesnt work on dash thrusts 
idle fox
what's cruel thrust?
undone tartan
when it doesnt work on dash thrusts <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
But imagine 
mossy zinc
Imagine a combo so weak that even if you get two hammers specifically for it, you're still getting better DPS spamming Dash-Strikes.
undone tartan
Yeah cruel thrust is the 3rd worst hammer for sword. Maybe 4th. But sword has some really bad hammers so like
mossy zinc
Hey, it's not Flurry Slash.
undone tartan
Oh true maybe 5th worst
mossy zinc
So that's good.
undone tartan
Wow sword has some really bad hammers
mossy zinc
Locks you out of Flurry Slash, too, so that's even better.
undone tartan
Double edge is insane, there’s a few that are mid, and then there’s some real garbage hammers
Like a lot
hardy garden
meanwhile bow hammers
undone tartan
Cursed slash, dash nova, flurry slash, hoarding slash, cruel thrust
undone tartan
meanwhile bow hammers <:shadeohboy:520448134590234651>
Right? Damn bow has a lot of good hammers
amber jetty
Wow sword has some really bad hammers <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858744757936193542/880824218223259658/unknown.png
You ever just
mossy zinc
The Special hammers on bow are bad on anything but Chiron.
undone tartan
Rather have World Splitter than Cursed Slash
mossy zinc
Dash Nova is decent.
idle fox
The first tiem I saw that, I read Flurry slash, Furry slash, so I was liek... huh?
undone tartan
Dash Nova is decent.
Is it?
amber jetty
Dash nova ruins my positioning, I really don't like it
undone tartan
Cursed slash, dash nova, flurry slash, hoarding slash, cruel thrust
World splitter, piercing wave
undone tartan
But like, it’s still kinda slow. Does it have i-frames?
idle fox
I only used dash nova in one run and never picked it again
And it was before I unlocked pact of punishment
undone tartan
I’ve done a few runs with dash nova and I just do not see how it’s ever decent
mossy zinc
It's faster than being out of dashes and having to run. I think it might have some i-frames, but I haven't yet successfully Dash-Novad through Hades's shockwave when he phases.
undone tartan
Yikes
mossy zinc
I mean it gives you movement and Sturdy.
undone tartan
I’m willing to believe that it’s mediocre if you’re used to it
idle fox
I don't think the game understands high. so I doubt it has one
mossy zinc
It's not really too different from Achilles's Special tbh.
Shorter but still good for movement.
undone tartan
Idk if I agree but whatever
mossy zinc
Kinda wish we'd get Snap Nova back. That was great.
mossy zinc
People genuinely sucked at using it.
mossy zinc
Meanwhile Manthro and I were casually no-hitting damn near everything with it.
undone tartan
Ohh damn so it was crazy good then?
mossy zinc
Well, downside was it didn't do anything for your DPS. But you could do Special > Dash-Strike > snap back > immediately Special again. Stuff like that.
And the snap back was immediate.
You could Special at Hades readying his spin and snap back in time to avoid the spin with good timing and positioning.
honest kernel
giving the sword a good defensive option seems like the right thing to do tbh
mossy zinc
Dash Nova kind of is that still, I guess.
Weak + Sturdy is great.
And it helps with Dash being on CD so often because you need all of your Dashes for your DPS rotation.
next wyvern
The Special hammers on bow are bad on anything but Chiron.
isnt the one one gives more special shots kinda decent on Rama?
mossy zinc
It's alright.
next wyvern
btw for eris i kinda like the hammer gives more ammos and faster atk spd
since i got used to reload+special so it's feels right
is the unlimited bullets still better?
mossy zinc
Yup.
mossy zinc
Yup.
next wyvern
i wonder why fist even exists when guns are just that but better in everyway
mossy zinc
Gotta hold the gun with something.
next wyvern
welp gonna try Poseidon sword again
Athena cast is better?
i still cant beat 32 heat with poseidon
mossy zinc
Bold of you to question Malphon in front of the Queen of Malphon. How about you see me in the courtyard. 
mossy zinc
What's Gilgamesh?
next wyvern
Enkidu
mossy zinc
Hm?
next wyvern
Oh well you use Ares attack on all fists into special athena right?
mossy zinc
Me? Ew no.
mossy zinc
I've never liked Merciful End.
next wyvern
ah
mossy zinc
I start all of my runs with the 
.
next wyvern
if i get like an epic poseidon cast without any boon keepsake first should i get Pom keepsake and go with Beowulf?
next wyvern
just do whatever?
Beowulf want thay frost cast thing from Demeter like Hera too right?
mossy zinc
A strong build can carry you through 32, but if you lose it's not gonna be because of your build.
next wyvern
ah
mossy zinc
Beowulf wants Mirage Shot first and foremost.
Snow Burst and Ravenous Will are always nice in Cast builds.
undone tartan
Snow Burst is a lot more important at very high heat when you’re forced to use DC2
mossy zinc
DC2 on Beowulf? That's like well above 50.
mossy zinc
Yeah.
next wyvern
thats sounds great
undone tartan
Snow Burst is quite good
mossy zinc
Ew.
undone tartan
Well you really want Passion Flare with that
mossy zinc
I wouldn't take Privileged Status on Passion Flare.
next wyvern
purging boons constantly so the other options is kinda low right?
undone tartan
Wym
mossy zinc
You still just want Mirage Shot with Passion Flare. And if you don't have Charged Shot, you would want Tempest Flourish over Tidal Dash, so even if you did get ruptured, you wouldn't apply it most of the time.
And getting Snow Burst on top of Mirage Shot when you're starting ?
mossy zinc
Who told you to take that?
undone tartan
I’m trying to remember names
The only people whose names I remember are you and FoxHope probably lmao
mossy zinc
Hera speedruns don't go for Mirage Shot, and you'll almost always have Crush Shot and Snow Burst in those.
undone tartan
Well Mirage Shot is only 30% more damage on Hera and not 100%
hard gale
thats on everything except beo lol
undone tartan
I know
mossy zinc
It's 100% on Hera, too.
hard gale
bruh
undone tartan
Oh it is?
mossy zinc
If you take Trippy Flare.
undone tartan
Isn’t Crush Shot the meta?
undone tartan
That’s still interesting to know though
Did you see the message link? Some very good players were suggesting to go for PStatus + Snow Burst at high heat
mossy zinc
Yeah at much higher heats with EM4, it can be decent.
Because Privileged Status can actually come into play at EM3 and EM4.
undone tartan
I see
mossy zinc
i also think pstatus would be more optimal
How? Most of your damage on most enemies will not get bonus damage from Privileged Status. Family Favorite is always active.
And the difference between the two is only +15%.
hard gale
but with the bosses
mossy zinc
EM4 is kinda the only one that's even relevant on Beowulf.
Maybe EM3 with CP active.
And Mirage Shot with Family Favorite is way stronger than Snow Burst with Privileged Status.
So it's only once that becomes too inconsistent and you're doing EM4 that you'd want to consider Privileged Status.
hard gale
i see
quartz mantle
3 boons between 2 gods vs 1 boon from 1 god is the main difference for Mirage Shot vs Snow Burst
Snow Burst + Pstatus has comparable damage to Mirage Shot and is easier to get and helps with survivability
waxen relic
Comparable Damage? Nah. Mirage Shot is literally 2x and you still have Family favorite. Helps with survivability is an odd thing to say too, because you can have weak/chill anywhere else too.
Snowburst Pash Flare Priv is a minmax build for em4.
at 50 Heat.
solemn pulsar
i'd say as soon as you rope AP1 into the mix, you should stop going for mirage shot, unless it's flood flare or hunters flare start
and unless you're high rolling of course
jade flame
I have question: In the Pact of Punishment it says Heat Gauge is full! New bounties avaliable. But it doesnt give any of the 4 rewards and shows them as checkboxed. I did not finish any run with this weapon and when I activate a Heat shouldnt it give me those titan bloods gem and abroisa pls help
gloomy musk
Kinda wish we'd get Snap Nova back. That was great.
what's that
solemn pulsar
pls dont it will cause motion sickness
solemn pulsar
what's that
solemn pulsar
I have question: In the Pact of Punishment it says Heat Gauge is full! New bount...
do you have any mods installed?
which weapon, how much heat did you put in, and how many clears do you have with that weapon (zero?)
gloomy musk
was that a bug?
jade flame
do you have any mods installed?
No I’m playing on xbox
jade flame
which weapon, how much heat did you put in, and how many clears do you have with...
Zero
jade flame
I put one heat and it is enough to make heat gauge full but dont gives bounty
gloomy musk
screenshot it
solemn pulsar
I put one heat and it is enough to make heat gauge full but dont gives bounty
which weapon? and you beat the fury and you got darkness?
solemn pulsar
and you haven't beaten furies with them before?
spice lava
I talked about this but if heat 0 is dodged, rewards are messed up
jade flame
I slayed hades with heat with other weapons
solemn pulsar
Ya-GG will explain it, i think they understand the bug
jade flame
and you haven't beaten furies with them before?
I did slay them
gloomy musk
could you please screenshot it
solemn pulsar
im not familiar with this specific interaction
spice lava
Like the heat gauge seems to work correctly if heat 0 has been properly done first
jade flame
I talked about this but if heat 0 is dodged, rewards are messed up
Dodge?
jade flame
could you please screenshot it
Im sorry at the moment I cant
solemn pulsar
m confused at what you're even describing it.
they are setting it to 1 heat, and not receiving titans blood from fury, despite not clearing with the weapon before
spice lava
Do properly Heat 0 first with your weapon
gloomy musk
if you do heat runs without having cleared 0 heat
spice lava
Then tell us if the bug is still there
jade flame
Should I slay hades with 0 heat
gloomy musk
yes
mossy zinc
Yes.
spice lava
Based on different normal saves I've done, the game keeps your reward progression accurately from Heat 1 to Heat 20 but this progression doesn't count Heat 0 so if you don't do Heat 0 on a new weapon and go for a higher Heat instead, the game's memory starts to be weird
ripe ermine
51 down now I can die in peace
jaunty falcon
Congrats!
round pilot
Is this a good 16 heat pact for Chiron that will later be built up to 32?
- Lasting Consequences 1
- Jury Summons 1
- Extreme Measures 3
- Benefits Package 1
- Middle Management
- Damage Control 1
- Tight Deadline 2
or no LC and DC2
sand temple
I would drop the JS
jaunty falcon
I’d potentially use underworld customs instead of JS and DC
round pilot
I really don't mind JS, I've been using it all the way to get to 16
Like TD2 is free for me with JS1
And at 32 it's gonna have UC and probably AP1?
sand temple
I would avoid AP1
quartz mantle
Dc kinda not great on Chiron
quartz mantle
^
solemn pulsar
but a lot of those will become harder at 32 as the pacts start to interact
round pilot
Dc kinda not great on Chiron
...why not? 8 ticks of damage with 1 special
solemn pulsar
I would recommend getting used to FO1
sand temple
the point is that it will absorb the main attack
round pilot
the point is that it will absorb the main attack
So? My core DPS is from the Artemis special.
quartz mantle
I think with TD2 Chiron can handle DC fine cause you're still able to use your special more often
But getting used to Forced Overtime will definitely be worth your while
Cause that's like 6 heat right there
round pilot
Yeah it's gonna have FO1 at 32.
round pilot
There's also running LC4 with Stubborn Defiance
I can tell you right now I am not getting past [Redacted] with LC4 on
quartz mantle
I mean Chiron shreds bosses
especially with Heart Rend build
SD is easier in regular rooms but harder on bosses
sand temple
if you can beat hades with only 1 dd then you can do it with LC4
you will get there eventually
quartz mantle
Yea the idea behind LC4 SD is it makes the regular rooms easier but requires you to be cleaner at boss fights
You can still get multiple DDs in the form of Athena DDs
if you die before picking up an Athena DD it refills your SD but then your regens next chamber anyways so you get 2 DDs
mossy zinc
Is this a good 16 heat pact for Chiron that will later be built up to 32?
- Las...
Do TD3 to get used to that.
And no JS or DC.
Rest is fine.
sand temple
I would probably try UC now
it is quite easy but you do atleast need to think about it
shy plinth
Short answer is that this pact is fine, long answer is here: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/unknown.png
quartz mantle
Woah that's neat
shy plinth
This is the progression I would take to 32
mossy zinc
mossy zinc
You'll want to be able to beat TD3 comfortably at 32, anyway. That makes things a lot easier because that's 3 Heat you'd have to put somewhere else.
shy plinth
Just as a filler
Can do any other 1 heat option or DC as aspect appropriate
I kind of like weaving in cf1 so people realize how much easier the game is with cf off
mossy zinc
And not take DC RI AP. Everything else is whatever tbh.
quartz mantle
True
mossy zinc
Probably no JS CP unless you're very comfortable with those + TD3.
brazen crow
I dont understand.
I need to watch twitch or something . i attempted 50 x 2x escaped
Terminology and abrv.
?
sand temple
abbreviations are pinned if you need them
flat flicker
Run fo2 td3 lc4 and nothing else
The “scary” pacts if you will
Because that’s what you add on top of the other stuff to get 32
Training session runs, doing that got me to 32 with all weapons
mossy zinc
You don't need FO2 at all for 32.
mossy zinc
Sure, but I don't really recommend FO2 for 32 unless you want to push higher heat eventually or you're already well accustomed to FO2.
mossy zinc
The typical choice is between HL5 FO0 and HL0 FO2, and HL5 has worked better for more players in the past.
Especially with an aspect like Chiron that can easily avoid FO0 enemies.
flat flicker
Depends on what people find scarier
I practiced LC4 TD3 FO2 til I got the hang of it
FO2 HL5 is my next scary plateau
I’m more afraid of HL than FO2 at this point
maybe I’m crazy idk
mossy zinc
If you've practiced FO2, HL5 FO0 would still be a lot easier than HL0 FO2.
Overestimating HL5 and underestimating FO2.
gaunt fiber
You've done the hard part
Problem is things moving fast
At some point you'll just realize that you can't face tank everything
elfin rock
HL5 really hurts me tho
flat flicker
Yep, figuring that piece out now haha been trying to keep health below 200 so I develop good habits
in practice runs
flat flicker
AP4 yolo
Wait no RI4
I always get those mixed up
lol AP4 gives you negative boon choices
quartz mantle
AP4 takes away your attacks
flat flicker
Imaginary head canon heat: add rooms to biomes
and two mini bosses per region Like guaranteed asterius and soul catcher in elysium
mossy zinc
AP4: every hammer on every aspect is Flurry Slash.
flat flicker
hahhahahahha
bronze rapids
Goes "aaaaa" while thumping enemies with my bow
Broken record but I love how Charon Shops and Purging Pool aren't affected by AP, it's like Charon just told Hades "my economy, my rules"
gaunt fiber
Well the pact is literally an economic regulation
Have you heard of the best -almost free- pact condition that is Convenience Fee
amber jetty
Have you heard of the best -almost free- pact condition that is *Convenience Fee...
Kinda ironic wording
I approve
round pilot
Imaginary head canon heat: add rooms to biomes
that would make the game easier
more boons = more dps
Would be hell to stack with TD
flat flicker
its a theoretical thing haha
and i remember seeing a 32 heat win with em4 and no TD at all that took an hour and thinking, damn, big brain
i guess i like the off-brand stuff
round pilot
153 pre-Superstar is... what, 40?
mossy zinc
@daring hedge, is 153 comparable to 40?
round pilot
I know 120 = 32
mossy zinc
If it took 41:52, probably a lot worse than 40.
That's the WR from that time, anyway.
flat flicker
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/809607727818342420/image0.jpg?width=1179&height=663 this was my pact my first 32
@mossy zinc any tips you have on how to and when to Erebus?
mossy zinc
Well, if you can win Erebus somewhat reliably, you'll get stronger builds on average if you always take Infernal Gates over gold or blue laurel wards.
Like from just a randomized pov. So the question is more when shouldn't you enter Erebus?
quartz mantle
I typically take Health Erebuses and Boons if it's a god I want in my god pool and they're not in yet
Pom Erebuses are nice on cast weapons as well
early on anyways
mossy zinc
50 HP is massive, so that's almost always the right pick at high heats. Double poms can be amazing or very little value depending on how many boons you have that have good pom scaling.
eternal hare
elysium erebus gates can be serious time save if you don't care about the reward and so you can take hits in the name of speed
mossy zinc
200 obols is actually very underrated imo.
eternal hare
always 1 wave and the enemies are super high value so you can end up with things like a single wave of 1x superelite lout and 1x superelite chariot and that's it
mossy zinc
Lord Hermes boon in Erebus is like an S tier reward more often than not unless you have AP2, but even then it's still really good.
eternal hare
that's a bit more of a niche thing though, and 50hp from an early tart erebus is super valuable if you can get it
mossy zinc
That depends.
flat flicker
more like how do i reliably get better at erebus
i feel like i can do it with ranged weapons
but not with sword or fists
waxen relic
more like how do i reliably get better at erebus
By doing it anyway.
flat flicker
beyond "git gud"