You have 3 rolls, enough for RD
#h1-high-heat-strategies
jaunty falcon
autumn ginkgo
Whats RD again?
jaunty falcon
Rush delivery
autumn ginkgo
ah ok
slender fable
Feels like I could've handled the Satyrs faster.
Also kept forgetting I had Trippy Shot in the first place.
durr
I think I need to work on my dodges more too. It's costing me on Dad
mossy zinc
Not really anything to say there.
DC2 is costing you quite a bit of time.
Be more concious of keeping up the buff from your Special at all times.
Also, you don't have Static Discharge, by the looks of it.
You really want that for DPS, especially with no Tidal Dash.
narrow carbon
0.01s from death 
https://imgur.com/a/0IVeraV
Is it possible to accidentally cancel an attack with a reload and/or with a dash? I think there’s something wrong with my Hestia mechanics
mossy zinc
You can't buffer an Attack during a reload. You have to wait for a reload to actually finish before it registers an Attack press.
That's probably what happened.
You pressed Attack too early.
It happens even to the best Hestia players sometimes.
narrow carbon
Ahh, yes, that’s probably it. And then sometimes I press Reload right after Attack and I do it again. Thanks!
jaunty falcon
Right, wish me luck. I'm at Styx in 50 heat Beowulf, fighting superdad
honest kernel
good luck 👌
hallow cave
GL
honest kernel
heady olive
oof its okay
mossy zinc
Don't think so.
solemn pulsar
lemme grab it
mossy zinc
@solar maple did you?
solar maple
I did not
mossy zinc
How evil. 
solar maple
will post my helpful images
normal shield block:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727351003566092/chart_4.jpeg
Beowulf block:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727407471485048/chart_1.jpeg
mossy zinc
You can just add more links to the first message if you edit it.
The bot will never find out.
solar maple
basically, beowulf blocks way more on the right side than the left
and also just way more in general, it has a massive block radius
mossy zinc
How did you test that?
solemn pulsar
vorime showing off the new tech
base shield has a 125 degree block window
beo has a 225 but it's offset by 45
mossy zinc
lol
I'd considered it before, but this is more evidence that we should subtract 10 Heat from all Beowulf submissions that aren't Charged Flight.
Charged Flight runs are exempt.
Like my own one.
Because I didn't abuse any broken mechanics like Beowulf players nowadays do.
waxen relic
wait if it's 225° offset by 45 it's still 5° more block to the left than normal shield.
#justbeothings
solemn pulsar
wait if it's 225° offset by 45 it's still 5° more block to the left than normal ...
might have gotten the # wrong let me check
waxen relic
Thank You! 
solemn pulsar
nope it is 225
mossy zinc
If you'd taken any longer than you did, I'd have just put them all out back-to-back and beat you to it. 
But I was working on other things and wasn't gonna drop everything to race you or anything lol.
waxen relic
If you'd taken any longer than you did, I'd have just put them all out back-to-b...
Sure, sure. Back to back of course. And no Resets.
mossy zinc
In my mind I was like, if you don't finish all 24 before I finish my hell mode bounties, I'll just do them all in a couple days.
Of course.
m fairly confident I can do that... will probably try, anyway.
Will I eat those words?
waxen relic
Maybe? You know sometimes you don't geht Heartbreak Strikte to start, even if you want it.
mossy zinc
m gonna collect the rest of my rail bounties with RI4 on lol.
I think I know plenty of 
builds by now to pivot into if I don't get the one I want most. 
Just, Crush Shot builds aren't gonna be a thing, really.
ripe ermine
About to take on superdad with Zeus on 50 heat. Not feeling super confident about it
bronze rapids
what even is that skewed block angle
waxen relic
But i wasn't grinding hard, so no wonder it took it's time.
mossy zinc
I was probably just gonna do TD2, anyway, so should be fine without a decent start.
Yeah, I know.
bronze rapids
so it's always more to the right of where you're facing?
waxen relic
About to take on superdad with Zeus on 50 heat. Not feeling super confident abou...
Good luck! You might need it.
mossy zinc
I can still be the first to have recorded runs up for all 24, though.
You didn't record all of yours, right?
waxen relic
I don't have recordings that i did not Upload.
mossy zinc
so it's always more to the right of where you're facing?
It's basically everything from the front + everything from the right.
Pretty much.
waxen relic
If i can request sth start with Poseidon.
mossy zinc
And diagonally behind you because apparently that's what it does lol.
Poseidon Aspect?
waxen relic
Yes.
bronze rapids
And diagonally behind you because apparently that's what it does lol.
trippy.
mossy zinc
No, that's a Cast.
But you can load your Trippy Flare into your Dragon Rush while you block.
solemn pulsar
yeah it's normal cast blocking + right hand side
it's meant to mirror the actual size of beo and how zag holds it
waxen relic
Try it 
ripe ermine
About to take on superdad with Zeus on 50 heat. Not feeling super confident abou...
Timer 😦
Drag
hallow cave
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waxen relic
How far did you get?
mossy zinc
Lol I know it's gonna suck. A lot like first run with base sword.
ripe ermine
Middle of phase 2. I had a slow Elysium came back to bite me
mossy zinc
But you get a lot more HP and stuff than in fursr run.
waxen relic
Middle of phase 2. I had a slow Elysium came back to bite me
Aww shucks.
There's honestly not too much comparison to first run except some mechanics.
mossy zinc
@ripe ermine you got a lot of practice out of it, regardless. Beating dad the first time you get to him at 50+ is not very common at all.
ripe ermine
I know. Three days ago I wasn’t getting out of Tartarus on 50.
mossy zinc
You can probably expect a few more like that. Sometimes it's the timer, sometimes an urn, sometimes you just dash into beams.
jaunty falcon
I wonder if EM3 is the way to go for me, I really suck at the fight
mossy zinc
Come to think of it, I killed dad first try on both my 51 win and my 52 win.
I suck at EM4, too.
But AP0 means you're a lot more likely to just get something halfway broken that can carry you through the fight.
ripe ermine
Seriously tempted to switch to hell mode. That could get me AP0 or I could max JS and CP and drop to TD2
next acorn
CP2 is going to be very rough
ripe ermine
Yeah, I don’t really want to go that route
jaunty falcon
I honestly didn't find it that bad, but Beowulf is absolutely broken
Did CP0 on hestia
mossy zinc
AP1 is good enough.
waxen relic
Try the current pact a bit more. It's easy to tense up on the first time.
ripe ermine
Yeah, looking back I had a few bad rooms in Tartarus (giant room, unarmored witches) that ate time too
waxen relic
You'll always have some bad rooms though.
mossy zinc
Don't blame mob RNG, look at what you can do to improve your speed.
ripe ermine
Fair
waxen relic
Except if you're grinding like any heat WR-holders.
mossy zinc
Even if it's RNG that killed the run, there are things you could have done better.
Just keep focusing on learning.
ripe ermine
But blaming the computer means I don’t have to look inward at my failings
ripe ermine
My therapist is gonna have a field day with that one
daring hedge
RI1 is pretty weird at 45; I'd do none or RI2 there
mossy zinc
That's what I was thinking.
autumn ginkgo
if i do none would i replace it with cp1 js3?
fresh scarab
continuing from my question in #h1-builds-and-combat
in the 4 32-heat runs i've successfully completed, i've had HL0 and LC0
is it really normal to have HL5 and LC4, presumably with SD?
daring hedge
Yes
jaunty falcon
LC4 almost always
jaunty falcon
Scratch that, always
autumn ginkgo
at what heat should i start taking em4?
daring hedge
Yeah
fresh scarab
my 32 build before was CF1, JS1, EM4, CP1, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, HS, DC1, AP1, and TD2
mossy zinc
With Hestia, you could take EM4 at 45 and take 4 Heat off elsewhere. I think that's fine tbh. Just depends on what you'd rather deal with.
jaunty falcon
my 32 build before was CF1, JS1, EM4, CP1, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, HS, DC1, AP1, and T...
Avoid HS, AP and EM4 at 32
Also CP
mossy zinc
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3 with Stubborn Defiance is a pretty easy pact for 32 Heat.
And get DDs from Lady Athena.
HL5 FO2 is standard for 32 Heat for experienced players, but if you're new to 32, you'd want to avoid that.
EM4 makes the Hades fight a lot harder than it needs to be.
Especially for melee.
Although I guess if you keep HL and FO low with EM4, it's actually not too bad if you do something like Merciful End.
Since you can just beat him with DPS.
daring hedge
Unless you're doing ultra high heat, you usually run EM4 with no RI, so you can have some sort of build just from getting a ton of boons with dark foresight
EM4 and RI together is pain
mossy zinc
Yeah, def RI0 at 32.
Dark Foresight alone can carry you pretty hard.
RI1 is probably the hardest 2 Heat you can take at 32 just for that.
autumn ginkgo
gotta choose between selling hyper sprint, heartbreak strike and divine dash, what do i sell? i also have rush delivery
mossy zinc
You need DPS more than you need Deflect.
daring hedge
If you're confident with hestia, sell dash
autumn ginkgo
i guess sell dash then maybe pick up poseidon for tidal
daring hedge
Hyper delivery heartbreak is just too strong to give up
mossy zinc
If you're not confident with Hestia, check again if you're not accidentally playing Zag Rail or something, then be confident when you see you're playing Hestia.
autumn ginkgo
aw dangit i chose lucifer again
mossy zinc
Hyper Sprint is also 30% damage reduction.
So you're giving up both damage and survivability if you purge Hyper Sprint.
autumn ginkgo
yeah ill just sell divine dash
jaunty falcon
Is it true that selling your attack on Beowulf messes up your flare size?
mossy zinc
That's the first I've ever heard of that.
Can't say I ever noticed anything of the sort.
@solar maple would know, I guess.
autumn ginkgo
I'm gonna be honest i had no idea what sturdy did till now
i thought it negated low damage attacks or something
mossy zinc
30% damage reduction, and you can't be interrupted.
mossy zinc
I'm gonna be honest i had no idea what sturdy did till now
Some people get high heat WRs without knowing.
Sorry.
Some foxes.
jaunty falcon
Lol
daring hedge
mossy zinc
@daring hedge there's no escape.
mossy zinc
Those are both great.
jaunty falcon
Dying lament is great in styx
mossy zinc
Yeah.
Heartbreak Flourish is better for EM3 and dad.
Especially if you have any decent Special hammers.
autumn ginkgo
yeah its not bad, its just annoying when your going for a specific boon
also it happened again lol
mossy zinc
Why are you going for one specific boon with AP1?
I mean you take it because there's a chance, but there's plenty of other good boons to take here, too.
Sweet Nectar is great.
Look at what you're offered, not at what's crossed out. And what you're offered is all decent.
autumn ginkgo
True. I probably need to start thinking like that
solemn pulsar
Is it true that selling your attack on Beowulf messes up your flare size?
we're not 100% sure on how it works, but it seems like selling attack, getting an attack replacement, or upgrading attack rarity on beowulf can shrink your flare to default zag cast size
flood/trippy flare correct themselves in the next room
the only known way to "fix" it is to replace/sell/upgrade rarity on your cast
jaunty falcon
Interesting
solemn pulsar
super weird bug
it also doesn't super affect thunder flare
bc it's already a small size
but you get unique visual artifacts on it for 1 room
ripe ermine
50 Heat Superdad Zeus rematch. Got 5 min left and Patty and near full health. Still prob gonna die. I’m just accepting it now.
jaunty falcon
Good luck!
burnt grove
in the pins, there's a "Best for 32 heat" layout, is there one for 20? Trying to get there to farm bloods for other aspects :x I guess it boils down to "what are the best things to go down on to get 12 heat back" I don't even quite know when SD starts to be better than DD
i also ended up having a real hard time on lower heat even with lv 1 CF, maybe I'm prioritizing obol rooms too low? Or spending obols on things i shouldn't 
jaunty falcon
What time can you reliably clear the game in? Also how experienced are you with forced overtime?
burnt grove
i think my clear time is usually in the 20~25m range.. i had a clear last night of 18m at 6 heat with rail (have eris rail and hera bow maxed atm)
jaunty falcon
In that case I would stick to TD2
honest kernel
sd is better than dd when you die more in rooms or when you want to make use of death heals because of lc4
also yeah spending money in a smart way is a thing to learn
jaunty falcon
I think there's no point to using LC1 or 3, use LC2 if you use chthonic Vitality, and LC4 if you use SD
burnt grove
o i can't post pics here rip
burnt grove
is this maybe a good place to start w/ 20? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504069393647534080/870068879991390238/unknown.png
honest kernel
seems fine
burnt grove
sd needs you to be good at bosses though
yea good point, in most runs i make it to styx with all my DD, but that was in lower heat
burnt grove
seems fine
thanks! yeah i think i need to work on spending money better maybe w/ convenience fee.. also taking less chip damage over time
caus ei think that's where a lot of my obols go
honest kernel
if you can stomach fo1 you can make it a lot better
unique zephyr
With Cf2 I find that I rarely can find boons in shops
Learning forced overtime takes a few runs to learn
but it's a lot of heat
burnt grove
i can also just do a few practice runs with fo1
without the other stuff
to sort of get used to it
unique zephyr
that's a good idea
since regular enemies become very different with forced overtime
feral forum
yep
burnt grove
alright, maybe as i'm working up the heat slowly, Fo1 is my next focus point then
since rail/bow i think i have at about 6
unique zephyr
Keeping FO1 on for all runs would help get used to the timing
so that your muscle memory builds
burnt grove
yea
heh TD2/FO1/EM2 is already 9 heat so even that will hold me over learning timing with the various aspects
does FO1 also increase boss speeds?
feral forum
yes
unique zephyr
every enemy
burnt grove
yikes
unique zephyr
things that say they affect all enemies affect bosses too
feral forum
maybe add in em3 in there to get used to it later on
unique zephyr
which is partly why CP is so deadly
feral forum
yep
burnt grove
gotcha
unique zephyr
I feel like a good practice pact would have middle management
since you want to get used to the alternate boss fights
and power couple in particular
burnt grove
gotcha
unique zephyr
when MM was off for speedruns it felt weird
burnt grove
sweet
this is super helpful, thanks everyone!
i think i'll just force myself to do FO1, MM, EM3 on everything
just to get used to it all
unique zephyr
Sounds good, if EM3 hurts too much you can drop down to EM2
just letting you know since EM3 is hard
burnt grove
ah gotcha
unique zephyr
and faster EM3 makes it harder
unique zephyr
I'd say that's a fine place to start
elfin rock
is this maybe a good place to start w/ 20? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachment...
if ur not aiming for speed try dc1
imo
no nvm
ur using bow
unique zephyr
it's easy to underestimate damage control though
elfin rock
true
unique zephyr
even on eris if you use rockets DC isn't great
honest kernel
dc absolutley depends on weapon
unique zephyr
^
unique zephyr
At 50+ heat I feel like at least some of what's viable depends on how well the aspect takes DC2
next acorn
dc is still fine with arthur tho imo
what
elfin rock
idk
jaunty falcon
As someone who has done DC2 CP2 JS3 Arthur, it is not fun
unique zephyr
high heat usually makes you do TD3 so that's one reason
Another is also that think of DC as acorn charges you put on an enemy
jaunty falcon
Yeah, my Arthur run was TD3 as well. Tough stuff.
unique zephyr
acorn is better the more damage a boss does, right?
elfin rock
yep
unique zephyr
DC is blocking slow chunky arthur hits
like 200 or something damage
you're giving the enemies lots of extra HP
jaunty falcon
That 200 is equivalent to a single rail bullet with dc
unique zephyr
for regular enemies DC2 is probably worse than CP2 on arthur
of course bosses make CP2 a pain no matter what
but I hope the point I'm trying to make is clear
I feel like without hell mode especially it's hard to make good 50 heat pacts for weapons that hate DC2
i've tried making hestia and rama 50 pacts and it felt a bit easier to make pacts for rama
i haven't cleared 50 though, I'm still taking a break because of 50 heat being so frustrating to me
ripe ermine
50 Heat Superdad Zeus rematch. Got 5 min left and Patty and near full health. St...
Lost track of the mega gorgon, petrified, spear in the face. That’s so me
bright mango
As someone who has done DC2 CP2 JS3 Arthur, it is not fun
Just why
plush flax
is this maybe a good place to start w/ 20? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachment...
em3, probably, would be good
bruh I just got cluster bomb with ap2 epic lmao
plush flax
help I'm so bad at this game
just got tidal dash, epic lightning strike, epic static discharge
and died to tisiphone
on ap2
50 heat
i hate myself
patent sinew
Tough. To be fair, those three sisters are a pretty nasty fight with EM.
heady olive
the first boss is kinda hard on high heat yea
u should use a practice save if u struggle with them
next acorn
Don't feel bad for dying early on 50
plush flax
I never seem to die to em3 or em4 fights
but I occasionally die to lernie and frequently die to tis or alecto
heady olive
all the boss fights on high heat r hard so u shld practice them
bright mango
I never seem to die to em3 or em4 fights
but I occasionally die to lernie and fr...
U doing em4?
mossy zinc
@burnt grove if you want to push into high heats, practice with FO2. Don't bother with FO1 as a mid-step, go straight to FO2.
If your goal is just 32 Heat, you don't need FO at all. Much easier to not get hit at 32 if you stick with FO0.
Whether you want to push beyond 32 or just do 32, definitely work on getting your IGT down and doing TD3 reliably. It's a lot easier to learn than you might think now, and it will help you a lot. TD3 is 6 Heat vs just 3 Heat from TD2, and the practice will help with clearing enemy waves anyway.
Of all the things you could learn for 32, TD3 is probably the easiest.
burnt grove
<@241614217457696778> if you want to push into high heats, practice with FO2. Do...
ty ty 
my short-term goals are just to do 20, then 32
20 to max out more aspects
32 for the feelgoods lol
mossy zinc
So, longterm is pushing into higher heats than that?
burnt grove
i'm unsure tbh
depends on how that journey goes lol
i guess that makes it hard to decide on FO
mossy zinc
I see. Well, FO2 and TD3 practice will be good either way.
burnt grove
i think going much farther than 32 is unlikely
realistically cause i'm not that good at this game lmao (or these types of games)
mossy zinc
If you practice with FO2 and then do 32 with FO0, enemies are gonna seem to move in slow motion.
burnt grove
perhaps a good thing eh?
mossy zinc
help I'm so bad at this game
just got tidal dash, epic lightning strike, epic st...
HP is probably gonna matter more than any of that for the first boss.
Antos is great for killing the Furies.
quartz mantle
So is Mort
next acorn
I have found new love for Antos
patent sinew
Is Antos a weapon?
next acorn
Companion
patent sinew
Ah. I should probably unlock one of those
autumn ginkgo
Should i take aphro keepsake going into asphodel for heartrend or conch shell for splash das? rama 32
I already have art attack
jaunty falcon
Athena for dash and DDs
Heart rend does very little on Rama tbh
Same with deadly strike
autumn ginkgo
alright
autumn ginkgo
Same with deadly strike
So wait what attack should I be taking?
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.
I don't care too much for Tidal Dash on Rama tbh. It's fine, but I'd rather have Divine Dash for deflects or Hunter Dash for big damage.
autumn ginkgo
Is aphro good at all on rama if you already have an attack?
jaunty falcon
Good for applying weak with the special I guess
hallow cave
Other specials still better for the most part iirc
eternal hare
weak on special is fine but flat damage specials like zeus/ares/dio tend to be better
or demeter for chill to help slow things down if FO2 scares you
mossy zinc
Passion Dash is good and has good pom scaling. Easy Heart Rend for boss fights, too.
Makes more sense than Heartbreak Flourish because Heartbreak Flourish means you're not taking Doom, Lightning, or Hangover on Special.
hallow cave
Lol
plush flax
bruh
I was so close to eris 50 heat
died when hades was at less than 2000 health (em4)
don't ask why I'm doing em4, it's just kind of more exciting I find
sort of unfulfilling without it tbh (which I did with hestia, and it was unfulfilling lmao)
I need to figure out how to hades patterns
i've never looked into it lmao I just kind of base my dodging off of instinct, which usually works well, but my damage in that run was pretty abysmal (and my instinct can only function for about 2 minutes because.... lol
next acorn
Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with starting with 50 health because of RI2? I just play to aggressive because I'm afraid of TD and die because of how little health I have. It's been the hardest part of doing 50 for me.
pseudo kernel
Don't get hit
ripe ermine
Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with starting with 50 health because ...
Doing the same thing at 50 Heat. Nothing replaces practice. A few days ago I was dying in Tartarus constantly and now I’m regularly getting to Elysium. Bit by bit.
Aggressive is still valid, but I’ve started thinking more about smarter herding/grouping of baddies and getting faster, safer. Still hard AF tho
next acorn
how do you heard them together?
ripe ermine
Kinda hard to describe. Generally you wanna do your best to get every baddie aggro’d and giving chase so you can clump them together and kill all at once. Or some things like gangs of Stones will tend to cluster in the middle of a room if you give em a second, which lets you hit a bunch at once. Faster than chasing them down individually.
I’m only barely decent at it, but I’ve noticed my times improving
ripe ermine
And some things don’t chase you (witches) so, like, you kill those first and hopefully in the process everything else has chased you into a nice little clump for efficient murdering. Each room and spawn and baddie is a little different.
mossy zinc
Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with starting with 50 health because ...
Kinda sounds like you answered your own question tbh.
You don't have to set speedrun records, you just want to get out of Tartarus.
Erebus and Master Chaos can give you a lot of HP early.
Weak, Life Affirmation, and Premium Vintage are all great.
And swapping to RI0 and getting 2 Heat elsewhere is probably the best idea. RI1 hurts a lot.
next acorn
Well I was dying to timer if I wasn't aggressive enough
I'll try what unexplainedbacn said though
To do RI0 I would have to either do EM4 or AP2 CP1 though
mossy zinc
Yeah, those are a lot better than RI1+.
next acorn
ig I could try AP2 CP1 and see how it goes
solar maple
RI0 AP2 is how I did most of my 50 heat runs on different aspects
gaunt fiber
It depends on the aspect but you can do Tartarus hitless, more or less. The important thing is to have more than 20 entering furies I would say. So you can play aggressively early on, reset SD, take a centaur's heart and you'll be fine
It's ok to start with 50 HP, you kinda have to play aggressively but that does not meant you can take any hit on the sake of going fast. You will learn Tartarus with practice, as usual
next acorn
First run with AP2 CP1 makes it to Lernie
I think I like this pact better 
Although o did have some pretty good luck with my boons
And timer wasn’t much of a problem when I actually have a good amount of stuff even with CP
next acorn
Got to Heroes
gaunt fiber
Aspect ?
next acorn
Eris
next acorn
?
gaunt fiber
If you're running Eris, you'll want lightning and jolted, kinda boring with AP2
Hangover is an option more AP2 friendly
next acorn
With RI I just wasn't getting offered the laurels to get lightning and jolted though
next acorn
To get it in aspho you have to make it to aspho 
ripe ermine
I need to try that out. Is the general idea basically quick hangover stacks + Eris boost and you win?
mossy zinc
Hangover builds want poms.
Other things to look for are Low Tolerance, Curse of Nausea, Splitting Headache, Black Out, Bad Influence, and actually Numbing Sensation is really good.
Hangover also builds god gauge really fast, so make Call a priority.
ripe ermine
Nice. Bad influence can be nuts
mossy zinc
Yeah. Just doesn't do much at all in boss fights.
Not directly.
The time save in regular encounters will help in boss fights.
Also helps with Hades's summons.
Black Out is amazing for boss fights, though.
If you Infernal Soul, especially.
slender fable
Black Out does what?
mossy zinc
+50% damage to enemies in Festive Fog that are afflicted with Hangover.
Which is very easy to get with 3 Trippy Shots and Drunken Strike.
slender fable
Right. Haven't seen that one much.
mossy zinc
Probably not doing a lot of builds where you'd go for it.
slender fable
It's a huge boost in damage. Especially if you luck out and get the Arty-Dio duo boon
I haven't run Hangover too much
mossy zinc
Hangover is very underrated.
slender fable
Need to try it again
It's very fun
Especially against Skullcrushers
Letting them die while in the air
slender fable
It's also surprisingly durable, thanks to the other Dio boons. Works great with call builds too
Also, thanks. I'm in a 2B SC6 Discord, but that's another topic 
mossy zinc
There's never a wrong time and place to talk about 2B.
Hangover scales well with poms, but you really want a Duo or Black Out or more global damage for boss damage.
His legendary is his only boon that gives you boss damage.
slender fable
Yeah. On its own, it's not spectacular.
Works great with Artemis though.
mossy zinc
But Trippy Shot also has amazing pom scaling, so you're not hurting yourself picking that up.
slender fable
Trippy Shot is almost never bad. Even if you're just getting it for the stun
mossy zinc
Yeah.
slender fable
Especially useful in the cramped spaces of the Temple
slender fable
Yeah, but the other Festive Fog boons means there's an opening for more utility, if luck allows it
Festive Fog is a useful spell that can only grow more useful, and that's great
mossy zinc
Helps a ton with Superelite Chariots.
slender fable
And Flame Wheels
mossy zinc
Right. But I meant in boss fights.
slender fable
Thing that stops me from running Hangover on High Heat is the early game. It's a bit more commitment than Zeus
quartz mantle
Running a companion like Antos or Mort can help with the early game by making Furies significantly easier
mossy zinc
Less so. Lightning Strike needs Static Discharge. Drunken Strike only really needs poms.
slender fable
Yeah, it's getting to those poms without the chain lightning helping with JS2
quartz mantle
I mean you still got that big special
plush flax
nuuuu
crying
that's the 5th really close eris 50 heat fail
I died to hades because I choked due to nerves in the third phase, and got hit with a pot
heady olive
em4 scary
heady olive
well getting to phase 3 means ur very close
plush flax
i could just turn on ap2 and probably win like 2nd try lol
yeah no I lost once when he was on like 500 health ;w;
hallow cave
mossy zinc
You could just turn on AP2 and reset forever and cry because all your boons are trash and Lady Demeter replaces your Lightning Strike with Frost Strike, and you have no rerolls left to stop her because you used them all to try to get Lightning Strike.
ripe ermine
The pain of unwanted “upgrade” core boons is too real
Thanks ap2 you’ve made me afraid of boons
Running Zeus, get Thunder Flourish, things are good then wet uncle forces you to Tempest Flourish
quartz mantle
Pivot to sea storm ez
mossy zinc
Running Zeus, get Thunder Flourish, things are good then wet uncle forces you to...
The question, then, is why are you taking a boon from Poseidon if that's a risk that can virtually brick your run?
People are using way better AP2 strategies now, but when we originally started getting into heats that required AP2, there were a lot of complaints that it removes all the strategy in favor of just RNG, but I always defended that there's still a lot of strategy with AP2. You just have to think about boons very differently.
I mean.
Sometimes you're forced into a boon, so that can't be avoided. But even for that, you can plan ahead. Like, what's your contingency plan if that happens? Did you spend all your rolls already? Are you handling an aspect that can handle AP2 well, or are you gambling with AP2 when you could be using other pacts?
ripe ermine
Yuuuup always learning
mossy zinc
@quartz spade getting Dodge chance on Zag Fists at high heat isn't the problem. That's easy enough. The problem is getting Dodge chance and getting good DPS.
mossy zinc
@slender fable can build for dodge chance with the Lambent Plume at 50 because Eris has the DPS no matter what.
Zag Fists has poor DPS if you don't get a halfway decent build.
quartz spade
Zag fists has extra dodge chance tho so you can get 100% dodge chance and not have to bother avoiding attacks letting you get more damage
mossy zinc
You might want to consider TD2 at 40 Heat if you want to go that route. That's a valid strategy.
quartz spade
Surely Zeus + legendary + extra attack speed would have good DPS
mossy zinc
Well, Eris can get 100% dodge chance, too.
quartz spade
It can?
slender fable
But that would require you get those boons.
jaunty falcon
Can't count on getting all of that if you have the plume for the whole run
mossy zinc
You can't take god keepsakes if you take the Lambent Plume.
quartz spade
Can't count on getting all of that if you have the plume for the whole run
Wait yeah I forgot about that lol
slender fable
Yeah, you can get 100% on any Aspect
mossy zinc
Hence: TD2.
slender fable
Plume + Greatest Evasion + Second Wind + Ruthless Reflex
mossy zinc
Or be prepared to reset a lot.
slender fable
You need to have good luck and good dash timing though to constantly proc Ruthless. Messing up is very painful
mossy zinc
Well... 40 Heat you can still probably get by with any garbage build you get with TD3, but you need to be pretty good for that to have any hope of doing that with bad sack RNG etc.
quartz spade
Zag fists can get 100% without ruthless reflex I’m pretty sure
As long as you get good rarities on your Hermes boons
mossy zinc
That's quite some RNG you're hoping for if you want high rarity on that, actually get both, and get a decent build for DPS.
slender fable
That's a big if
jaunty falcon
And not die
solar maple
keep in mind that hermes has worse rarity odds than other gods
jaunty falcon
Severely worse
slender fable
That's actually something I noticed. Thought it was just my bad luck.
jaunty falcon
Epic is like 3% if you don't use gods pride
slender fable
Zag Fists could work, but I feel like there's too many variables out of your control.
It's going to be all over the place
quartz spade
@mossy zinc sorry for the ping but you always seem to give good tips and I was wondering if you had a good high heat sword build?
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.
jaunty falcon
Eeek
quartz spade
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.
On nemesis?
mossy zinc
Sure.
mossy zinc
Aim for Second Wind, too.
And use your Call for i-frames.
And Life Affirmation is amazing, of course.
main delta
@mossy zinc thanks for explaining how to do practice saves
finally got to doing that because fresh file bosses are too hard
mossy zinc
Good luck!
nocturne stag
@vapid raptor you said you were doing high heat run right? This room can probably help
vapid raptor
Oh awesome!
Yeah I'm trying a 64 heat run width no Godmode! Anyonenhave suggestions?
jaunty falcon
I'd go as far to say that it is impossible
elfin rock
is 64 everything on the heat maxed
jaunty falcon
Yes
elfin rock
oh dear
shy plinth
Including PL
elfin rock
pl?
shy plinth
Personal liability
elfin rock
oh personal liability
shy plinth
The hell mode exclusive
elfin rock
what does it do
jaunty falcon
You know the shield that you get around Zagreus when you get combod
You don't get that anymore
elfin rock
oh
shy plinth
Yeah
elfin rock
oh dear
shy plinth
Alternatively, hades lasers end you
elfin rock
so that spin attack that hades
does
the lasers arent too hard to avoid tho
but it takes time to avoid
mossy zinc
The spin is only one hit anyway.
elfin rock
i thought it was at least 2
mossy zinc
You'd be surprised about the number of high heat runs that die to beams lol.
They're harmless until they catch you off-guard once.
honest kernel
once you're caught in the beam it can be difficult to get out, plus it can do more damage
jaunty falcon
FO speeds up everything
mossy zinc
There's a lot to look out for in the fight with FO2 DC etc.
The countdown of the skulls speeds up, too.
elfin rock
oo yea true
so in a fight with hades there's so much to look out for that people often miss the beams
especially with fo1/2
mossy zinc
Not often.
Just needs to happen once to potentially end your run.
There's also a timer, so you're often forced to play aggressive.
mossy zinc
Probably best to get comfortable with FO2 and TD3 asap if you want to do high heat.
And EM2.
Basically, a standard speedrun pact but with TD3.
But you don't need to get speedrun times, just be comfortable with TD3.
burnt grove
I tried FO1 and EM3 and try and practice and got roasted :[
still need to give FO2 a try
burnt grove
Lernie is oddly dangerous even with just FO1 it felt
went from free to losing a DD on it
mossy zinc
You can learn the EM3 FO2 fight later. Just get used to EM2 FO2 for now.
burnt grove
i'm also just awful with Beowulf too, don't quite know how to use it or be fast w/ it
mossy zinc
I wouldn't bother with FO1 if you want to do high heat. Just do FO2.
elfin rock
so should i do runs where it's literally just em2 fo2
burnt grove
i have builds, but i'm just bad at it 
burnt grove
so should i do runs where it's literally just em2 fo2
ya that' swhat i'm going to do
shy plinth
Watch videos on people playing the weapon well to learn techniques
Beo is very well documented
mossy zinc
Start with EM2 FO2 TD2, then go up to TD3, then keep adding other pacts while collecting bounties.
elfin rock
i dont really lke beo
jaunty falcon
I've done many runs with just FO2 and EM2
shy plinth
Beo big damage
elfin rock
ahh got it
mossy zinc
But keep EM2 FO2 TD3 as your standard pact, add other pacts on top.
elfin rock
ill start that regime tomorrow
burnt grove
i didn't feel much of a diff with FO1, so will try FO2 as @mossy zinc says to and never look back ideally XD
elfin rock
what aspects do you recommend?
i quite like arthur and chiron
also rama and zag fists
mossy zinc
Beowulf speedruns are with FO1. Beowulf high heat is with FO2.
Whatever you want to take into high heat tbh.
elfin rock
got it thanks
burnt grove
it feels like eris is really good for learning new stuff on heat IMO
mossy zinc
I can't tell you what aspects to play.
burnt grove
just cause it's so good, and is so mobile
shy plinth
They're all doable though chiron is slow
shy plinth
it feels like eris is really good for learning new stuff on heat IMO
You had me at "good"
burnt grove
i do terrible with all the melee aspects outside of fists personally
mossy zinc
I don't know if Eris is particularly good for learning anything.
jaunty falcon
i dont really lke beo
https://youtu.be/Pq-y9vPeVyY here's a video of what Beowulf can do
mossy zinc
Don't need to learn enemy patterns when you just kill everything because your DPS is busted.
burnt grove
I don't know if Eris is particularly good for learning anything.
cause it's too good?
shy plinth
It's good for learning that Eris kills things
mossy zinc
But fact is, Eris the best for learning Eris.
Demeter Aspect is the best for learning Demeter Aspect.
Etc.
jaunty falcon
Achilles is the best aspect for learning zag spear
mossy zinc
You don't need to be good with every aspect when you do a run, you just need to be good with whatever aspect you're using for that run.
jaunty falcon
Because flurry is more common on achilles
mossy zinc
But then you're not learning how to handle Zag spear if you don't get Flurry Jab.
mossy zinc
It does if you play out every run instead of resetting because you're too scared to play without your favorite hammer.
Resets are for the weak.
jaunty falcon
I like getting quick times, thankuverymuch
mossy zinc
Is it a quick time if you reset for an hour?
jaunty falcon
It makes me want to only play for a quick time, I'll tell you that
honest kernel
https://youtu.be/Pq-y9vPeVyY here's a video of what Beowulf can do
at a well of charon this guy just mashes the reroll button a bunch of times and i've seen that before in another video, does that serve any purpose or..?
jaunty falcon
Basically everything you do manipulates RNG
Like summoning/casting after combat rooms, scrolling through codex, mashing the buttons, etc
So you'll see that he mashes the button and ends up getting a chaos gate, that was all calculated
daring hedge
oops yeah guess i shouldn't clog victory boasting
mossy zinc
Lightning Strike is great for DC2.
daring hedge
i grow more fond of incorporating zeus into high heat each day
great for DC2 as you said, great bolt T2s, jolted
daring hedge
true, yeah
before getting smoldering, building the zeus call i got earlier in that GY run was faster than i'd expect because of lightning strike
mossy zinc
I've been liking Drunken Dash a lot more for the same reason.
On aspects like Hestia that normally suck at building god gauge, you actually get to use your Call if you have Drunken Dash.
jaunty falcon
I'd probably still prefer tidal + shoals, but that is 2 boons after all
daring hedge
yeah, i wouldn't say i prefer drunken dash very much but i've similarly grown to just take it for what it is
and i don't totally hate it
unless it's common unpommed
mossy zinc
I've been doing RI4, so Tidal loses a lot of value.
Common Lv.1 still builds god gauge pretty quick.
daring hedge
yeah, i just mean that the damage it does makes me sad
mossy zinc
It does damage?
eternal hare
if the call you end up building is dio's call, one might even say it's negative damage
mossy zinc
Lol
Drunken Dash to build up Demeter's Aid to proc Privileged Status for your Tempest Strike.
If you build god gauge with common Lv.1 Drunken Dash into Ares' Aid, does that raise or drop your DPS?
slender fable
Advice for Arthur on Heat 50?
heady olive
idk but good luck lol
mossy zinc
Yeah, just do RI4. I've been doing RI4 for my Hestia bounties, and it was free.
So you should do it at 50 with Excalibur.
How was my "You're doing 50 Heat EM4? EM4 is easy. I do EM4 at 10 Heat all the time" new player impersonation.
mossy zinc
Who's that?
Try DC2 with Drunken Strike and Drunken Dash.
There are a few 50+ Excalibur runs on the leaderboard. You could take a look at what they did.
slender fable
Yeah, I was thinking about Dio.
That's the screencap I use when I feel the need to glare at something
jaunty falcon
Just make sure you do LC4 with SD, I tried LC3 with DD last night and I can say with confidence that LC4 SD is easier
mossy zinc
I dunno, LC3 has been working out for you. So see for yourself what works best.
I think most Gilgamesh builds at 50+ are primarily Dash builds.
slender fable
Ah. Makes sense.
mossy zinc
Yeah, I was thinking about Dio.
~~That's the screencap I use when I feel the nee...
Just to be clear, Drunken Strike + Drunken Dash was a joke... because they overwrite each other.
Drunken Dash is pretty good for Excalibur, though.
It builds god gauge slowly. Drunken Dash builds god gauge fast.
Doesn't help if you don't have a Call, of course.
slender fable
I know they override each other. I usually take Heartbreak Strike on Arthur.
But Drunken Dash and Festive Fog, from my experience, plays nicely with Hallowed Ground.
Then later down the road, I'd grab Numbing Sensation if I can
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, for sure.
Hangover + Trippy Shot is always great.
Hm. You ever feel like you just finished all rail bounties mirrorless, and it was way too easy, and now you're not sure what to do because shield bounties are way too easy and no idea really excites you?
heady olive
i just stopped playing
mossy zinc
@waxen relic I admit I forgot how much single-dash sword sucks lol.
mossy zinc
King Theseus and Asterius killed me every time in hell mode fresh file yesterday lol.
Need to practice that fight.
gaunt fiber
its why I never did fresh file in the end
I like fresh file gameplay tbh, with the dps rotation you don't really feel like you only have one dash
unlike one dash Guan Yu :)
honest kernel
quartz spade
EM4>>>
mossy zinc
But RI4, though.
quartz spade
Nah RI4 makes the game boring
mossy zinc
It doesn't.
quartz spade
I prefer to make the enemies more powerful than to make myself less powerful
It feels more rewarding that way
mossy zinc
RI4 requires strategy and clean execution.
quartz spade
Which I don’t have looool
mossy zinc
Or Hestia.
quartz spade
EM4 is exciting and let’s you listen to the unseen ones
I’d take that over feeling sluggish and helpless any day
mossy zinc
All my friends hate EM4.
gaunt fiber
We're comparing EM4 and RI4?
EM4 is a challenging fight, RI4 turns Zagreus into a blobfish
jaunty falcon
Combined? shudders
waxen relic
I did Ri4 Lc4 em4 though, EZ
mossy zinc
Yeah.
jaunty falcon
Tidal dash
Hunters dash is decent if you can get in the rhythm of dash strike -> 2 dashes
elfin rock
ty
daring hedge
There's a reason mirrorless players don't use FO2 or LC4 <:squirtyay:45691342755...
but i run FO2 on mirrorless :(
hallow cave
gaunt fiber
you are Tailesque
eternal hare
fo2 is free heat
next acorn
Is there a way to make a practice save on switch
devout quiver
if you never take off FO2, you don't notice when it kills you
nocturne stag
Is there a way to make a practice save on switch
If your switch can be jail broken or otherwise have a backup of it's data made, yes. If not, I have no idea as I own it on steam
solar maple
on only switch I do not believe so
if you have the game on computer as well you can use cross saves to make one, then use it on switch though
next acorn
Rip
gleaming moat
What's a practice save
honest kernel
a save you make right before a boss for example
to keep practicing the fight
pc lets you move saves around in the files
so these are very easy to maintain unlike on switch
gleaming moat
Ah ok
autumn ginkgo
Which should I take? Achilles 32
Nvm, just got another Zeus and was able to get both, so that issues solved.
solar maple
splitting bolt is great
wanton plover
what should i do with zag shield it feels so slow
solar maple
to get good dps on zag shield you need a good attack hammer -- either pulverizing blow or charged shot
I prefer charged shot
ripe ermine
Arty or Aphrodite on attack. Dash-strike, short bull rush, repeat. If you get charged shot, that’s extra deadly. If you get pulverizing blow, also decent to mix in the double whacks.
solar maple
generally bull rushing will be less dps, but safer
unless you have charged shot obviously
when I was grinding for very high heat zag shield I was seeding for charged shot so I don't really know how to play it normally lol
ripe ermine
Not sure why I decided I needed to get proficient with Zeus and turned on 50 heat to do so but here we are #h1-victory-boasting message
narrow carbon
Nice one! Is that a first 50?
ripe ermine
That Zeus run was my second! Did Hestia the other week. https://i.redd.it/9xrnif6vg2d71.jpg
burnt grove
damn after doing a handful of runs with FO2 as suggested, i turned off FO for a low heat arthur run (sword isn't lvled) and it felt like ez slow motion lol
mossy zinc
Yeah, that's the idea!
glass blade
Jesus how did you do 50 heat with so little boons
gaunt fiber
Hestia only needs an attack boon or shackle
honest kernel
the higher you go the lesser boons you'll have to work with
ripe ermine
Yeah, heartbreak strike was a HUGE get
I don’t think on that run I started shackle but I might as well have. God keepsakes feel a wee bit worse with AP2 and RI2
“Whelp here’s one of the two boons I’m getting this biome aaaaand it’s bronze skin”
gaunt fiber
Yeah AP2 Hestia wants shackle.
I'd say a god keepsake would be ok if you're fine with at least 2 boons from them
But again on RI you're not gonna get much yeah
ripe ermine
Yeah it gets them in the pool, but it’s a shallow pool
solar maple
gets them in the puddle 
unique zephyr
when is coin purse start good?
i've seen retrash do it sometimes
I may return to Hades soon, my break may or may not come to an end lol
solar maple
coinpurse start is basically for when you don't want to reset for first boon with ap2
so you just start coinpurse and take what the game gives you
main upside is it lets you consistently get a boon in midshop
unique zephyr
Is it better for aspects that like percent based boons
solar maple
well it's better for aspects that can utilize a wide variety of gods
solar maple
yeah with sword I'm fine with pretty much any god on attack
I like like half the dashes
and a bunch of the specials
and most of the calls
hestia and rama it's a little weird for imo
because those mostly just want their 1 attack boon and that's the build lol
well with rama you want to pick up a special, and dashes are always good
unique zephyr
ah that makes sense
i'd love to become good enough at the game that I don't have to rely on good boons so much
i feel like half my wins or more were carried by boons lol
AP0 RI0 at 40 heat and below is really nice
solar maple
because those mostly just want their 1 attack boon and that's the build lol
and with hestia sometimes you don't even need the attack
just shackle
unique zephyr
ri0 is so good
I can see why you like RI0 AP2 now
I might even try it
and accept that I can get bricked
solar maple
idk most boons are just kinda good
unique zephyr
yeah RI2 gives you so few boons
I overrated boon choice a lot before turning on AP1
Took me doing 45 heat to realize there are worse things than AP1
it just makes your builds a bit worse usually, made me actually use stuff like blade dash
my 45 heat clear was only one of two clears in my entire game that used blade dash
and my first blade dash clear was a long time ago with god mode
blade dash feels unironically good in tartarus
it's not like a boon I seek out but it's not the worst
unique zephyr
i'm worried about hammers straight up bricking me yeah
too bad you can't reroll them
I understand why
still pain though
I feel like AP2 requires a very different mindset when it comes to boons
what boons did you start to appreciate a lot more with AP2?
solar maple
I have done 55 heat zeus twice: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/866803260324446238/Screen_Shot_2021-07-19_at_3.06.12_PM.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/841365511035682826/Screen_Shot_2021-05-10_at_10.25.15_AM.png
completely different builds
both lots of fun
both very powerful builds too
unique zephyr
those are wildly different
my builds have been looking the same for 32 and 40 lately
seems way more fun than dealing with RI2 BS
RI2 is also less health not only from starting health but also fewer hearts
seeing so many blue rooms just feels bad
"darkness again?"
solar maple
funnily enough I was starting zeus and looking for special in both of those, and I didn't get it
unique zephyr
nice job rolling with the punches regardless
solar maple
top one got zeus dash start, bottom one got zeus call start lol
solar maple
passion dash replace was pretty nice actually
got it pretty late and weak is good vs em4
unique zephyr
for AP2 do you roll for starting boon
or roll with it
RR Zeus seems really tough
unique zephyr
I tried RR for 32 heat but had more success with double dash
but that's just me not being used to a single dash
solar maple
yeah I really like RR for zeus
unique zephyr
does RR duration reset if you trigger it during the 2 seconds
solar maple
I think so
unique zephyr
sweet
solar maple
I feel like it has pretty good uptime
unique zephyr
+50% global damage sounds really nice
and also dodge
did your builds outpace dad healing or did you just break pots with special
solar maple
yeah those both outpaced dad healing I think
barely though
well the scint feast one had massive damage
unique zephyr
i'm not experienced with scint feast but seems fun
for EM4 have you ever gotten to dad with a not good enough build bc AP2
or do most builds that reach him have good dps
good enough I mean
I guess reaching dad with a bad build is just another loss condition I'll have to accept
solar maple
really depends on timer and how good you are at the fight
if your build isn't good enough to clear within the timer there isn't much you can do
but you can always """just""" not get hit retrash style
unique zephyr
is timer more of a barrier than the heal
eternal hare
For some aspects even the best builds you can reasonably get for that heat still take an incredibly long time with the fight
solar maple
yeah retrash has a bunch of 6 min dad fights on his youtube
both of my 55 heat zeus runs were ~3:30 - 4 mins
eternal hare
Hera was a particularly awful experience
solar maple
yeah hera feels pretty miserable
eternal hare
Epic QR, a pommed cast and pommed snow burst and it still took like 5-6 minutes on a savestate after failing the actual run
unique zephyr
I think one thing about EM4 is that in hades we're used to killing stuff fast
which is not really a thing in EM4
EM4 is like twice as much HP as regular hades without the healing, right?
solar maple
pretty much yeah
34k for normal dad, 60.5k for upgraded dad
add in healing, the cerberus spawn taking a long time, not being able to hug him during circle laser, and the adds generally taking much longer to kill and the fight takes about twice as long
eternal hare
But then you also die in two hits and his moveset is scarier so realistically maybe 3 or 4x length
next acorn
i'd love to become good enough at the game that I don't have to rely on good boo...
s a m e
My 50 attempts that don’t get jolted just die in aspho
bronze rapids
the hearts eating into the - /+ buttons...UI pain..
mossy zinc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynzp42ZktFI
Is that a 61 Heat win? Seeded?
It's not on the leaderboard.
quartz mantle
Yea it's a korean runner idk if they know about the leaderboard
gaunt fiber
I think we've seen this one before
If it's an epic boon start, it's the one for which they explained it was seeded
heady olive
oo
mossy zinc
Yeah, I saw their name before.
mossy zinc
High heat strategies compendium:
(1) enter Erebus early, fail,
(2) whiff your summons,
(3) step on magma,
(3b) step on magma for SD when you have no SD,
(4) dash into 150 damage urn to avoid 20 damage skull shockwave,
(5) buy healing items with LC4,
(6) walk back into Lernie head slam after dashing out of it,
(7) use summon to destroy DC hearts,
(8a) find Patroclus when you have 3 DDs,
(8b) never find Patroclus when you have no DDs,
(9) skip forced boon in Asphodel, never see another,
(10) mash dash, tell newbies to not mash dash.
@bronze rapids
mossy zinc
I wrote that in Early Access. SDs and DDs were both pretty common at the time.
It's unorthodox now, but some players still like DDs.
bronze rapids
ah
mossy zinc
@heady olive continuing on from #h1-victory-boasting, proving a seeded run was not routed or mapped in any way would require mods, and we very deliberately want to stay away from requiring mods for any leaderboard categories.
heady olive
aite thanks
mossy zinc
@daring hedge @nimble zenith I'd like your input on this since you're also editors for the high heat leaderboard, but also input from anybody else in the high heat community...
Fated Authority: when using Fated Authority to reroll doors, the roll doesn't call RNG, which is why you normally roll through the same 2-3 options over and over when using Fated Authority. However, if you do 1-2 rolls and then do a summon or Cast, it calls RNG, and that changes the options for your next roll, which prevents being stuck in that loop. So you can keep rolling into new options.
It's not something I've seen exploited in any unseeded run just yet, but how should we rule on that?
heady olive
hmm, imo if its not seeded it should be fine, but i dont know much about speedrunning
mossy zinc
High heat, not speedrunning.
heady olive
yea
mossy zinc
They can do whatever they want on the speedrun leaderboard.
heady olive
i guess thats true since its not speedrun dot com
heady olive
would be interested to see what others say
jaunty falcon
Well, there are modded leaderboards now but they don't have seeding, only deterministic hammers
quartz mantle
I personally am all for rng manipulation being used cause that's just another aspect of the game to master
mossy zinc
Modded leaderboards are on speedrun.com. m not talking about them. We're not affiliated with them.
quartz mantle
Understanding how room rewards work and manipulating that with FA is big brain and sick
quartz spade
Does anyone have a link to that 64 Zeus shield run? I can’t find it anywhere
heady olive
bilibili moment
mossy zinc
Baj closed his YouTube account, so the other videos are lost.
quartz spade
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mf4y1p7t2?from=search&seid=1039784309530368819...
Thanks
mossy zinc
But there's an updated link for the 64 clear on the leaderboard.
That one, yeah.
The run is under Seeded on the leaderboard.
gaunt fiber
Damn PP man sure is fast
heady olive
Damn PP man sure is fast
just type bilibili and nyaanyaa and it should come up in discord :p
gaunt fiber
why would I type Nyaanyaa? awful 
heady olive
pseudo kernel
Damn PP man sure is fast
i am speeed
gaunt fiber
you are indeed
mossy zinc
just type bilibili and nyaanyaa and it should come up in discord :p
He'd also have to click to unhide results from users he's blocked.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
heady olive
heh
solemn pulsar
<@!164508146746785792> <@!361343629996064778> I'd like your input on this since ...
Is that true? Or is it just for the boon pool issue
Every roll removes something from the reward bag which will eventually refill, so cycling doesn’t really make sense
mossy zinc
I don't know the specifics. I just know that rerolling with Fated Authority a lot of the time ends up cycling through the same 2-3 options over and over.
Sometimes it's 2, sometimes it's 3.
And throwing a Cast or trying to summon between rolls prevents that from happening.
In fact, I don't remember a time it hasn't rolled through the same 2-3 options over and over again.
mossy zinc
Door rewards, pretty sure.
solemn pulsar
definitely odd. but with 2-3 refreshes, especially early in tartarus, it's not really a surprise, since you probably haven't hit a bag refill yet
the cool thing about the reward bag is you can track it by hand pretty easily, so it would be easy-ish to figure out if it's actually deviant or just obeying the expected rules
mossy zinc
Even if it's expected, it's a very annoying behavior, and trying to summon helps get around that.
If it's only on miniboss doors with the same 2-3 gods, even that's annoying.
At least for me personally.
solemn pulsar
the gods on the door thing is due to weirdness with boon pool