it's not a heal, you die
#h1-high-heat-strategies
gaunt fiber
waxen relic
i do like to advocate deeper thinking 🙂
solar maple
when you transition to LC4 + SDs is also preference
the main difference is that you can afford to take more damage in normal rooms, but your boss fights have to be cleaner, especially the later ones (heroes/dad)
mossy zinc
And you get to take off 4 Heat elsewhere.
solar maple
definitely that too
devout quiver
the question is "when are you more worried about room fights than you are about boss fights"
gaunt fiber
devout quiver
Something like BP2, FO2, and some HL makes some rooms really scary
cunning field
the question is "when are you more worried about room fights than you are about ...
always. because i find new dumb ways to kill myself in trash rooms every time.
narrow carbon
I started using SDs after a first few 32s. Hitting Patty and getting DDs from Athena makes it similar to DDs against Hades.
edgy arrow
no?
because with DDs you might well be starting at greater than 50%
at best it’s 250% health (full health + 3 DDs)
obviously that’s pretty variable and if you wanna be at 100% health to start you’re gonna have to spend gold you wouldn’t have to spend on SD
and even then it’s only 10% more than patty buff + athena boon SD
although that requires one of two specific boons and good room rng
so it’s not that easy to compare them
mossy zinc
I wasn't comparing to LC0 or whatever to be honest.
edgy arrow
LC0 DDs is for braver folks than i lol
mossy zinc
Anything but LC4 at high heat just seems silly to me tbh.
mossy zinc
LC4 DDs can be good.
edgy arrow
yeah i’ve heard people advocate for it
sounds terrifying to me lol
maybe i should try it sometime idk
mossy zinc
That wasn't that long ago lol.
mossy zinc
Yeah lol.
honest kernel
I feel like some asian player uses DDs too
true fable
wobbles and interpretivetwerking both used DDs
with LC4
i think both of them accommodated for it in some way though
most of interpretivetwerkings good 50 runs ran into patty for essentially a full life refresh and wobbles ran CF0 almost exclusively to purchase well DDs
iirc
next acorn
Did they ever say what their reasoning for doing that was?
Just sounds like you have to go really out of your way to make it work
edgy arrow
i think it’s mostly about trying to get multiple DDs to EM4
which is fair, but i don’t disagree that there’s a lotta hoops they gotta jump through to even have a chance of that
the counter argument would be that hoping for athena DDs and/or patty on SD is easier
but i think it’s interesting that a bunch of objectively good players advocated for this at 45+ and 50+
next acorn
Just seems like you would just lose them to random rooms
even after getting Patty like at least one lost to Heroes and at least one normal room
What times would they lose them?
true fable
the idea is that you end up with several DDs at dad yeah
think about it this way
even one DD at dad is better than one SD at dad if you don't have touch of styx dark
two is miles better
their runs should still be up if youre curious
mossy zinc
Not having to rely on Lady Athena for DDs is nice.
viscid fractal
a couple weeks ago i asked for help here because i struggled with heat 48 and some people told me to stop using RI2 (mewmew mainly)
did not listen, dropped it today, managed on the first try
lesson learned bros : dont use it if you can avoid it
solar maple
yeah RI is really rough. Congrats!
gaunt fiber
I've seen you clear
You took CP2 instead of RI2
Pretty sure RI2 is better especially on Hestia
You don't really need boons, you can shackle all the way to Dad. Then you can even lower JS to build up some time if needed
30% on Hades/Heroes is rough
or even RI1 CP0, would have been fine too I'm sure
viscid fractal
i understand what you're saying but i feel like RI0 gives you a better chance of getting an attack boon and therefore use acorn/skull earring on heros and dad
gaunt fiber
Yeah that's definitely the case on AP2
But if you hone your mechanics on these bosses, you'll be more comfortable with CP0
Félicitations pour le 48 toutefois 
viscid fractal
merci 
mossy zinc
lesson learned bros : dont use it if you can avoid it
The lesson is to listen to me. 
Congratulations! Saw your victory screen on the leaderboard just before coming here. 
vagrant nexus
Is there a key somewhere for some of the abbreviations here?
mossy zinc
Yeah, check pins.
vagrant nexus
And there they are
autumn ginkgo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804829371713847296/861339303287455824/unknown.png Is this a bad heat set up?
jaunty falcon
No, I don't think so
Maybe remove calesthenics and some DC
And add BP2
But my opinion may differ to others
autumn ginkgo
alright
mossy zinc
I don't really see the point of FO1, personally. Just do FO0 or FO2.
autumn ginkgo
I'm just thinking its 3 heat I add, but its still kinda managable for me
mossy zinc
The first point I'd remove in that pact is CF1 if you're playing Eris, because that hurts your ability to get a broken build.
UC is fine, though.
autumn ginkgo
I'm guessing i should not do em4 right?
mossy zinc
Right.
autumn ginkgo
I'm pretty comfortable with doing em3 with most builds
I take meg cause lc4 right?
jaunty falcon
I would take meg even without LC4, but yes
autumn ginkgo
Ususally I'd do sisyphus just for emergency heals
autumn ginkgo
alright. Zeus is best for eris right?
mossy zinc
You could even do HL3 and take off MM for way easier Satyr tunnels.
Best resource on Eris builds there is.
mossy zinc
Not really on Eris since you'll just kill everything.
Your DPS is so high, things don't really live long enough to kill you.
And you have SD, anyway.
autumn ginkgo
aight
mossy zinc
It's like personal preference between HL1 MM and HL3.
MM FO2 can kill you quickly if you're not used to it and don't have all the Meg strats down.
autumn ginkgo
this is going really well so far
epic zeus attack plus rocket bomb
should i take a plus 40% damage for 35% attack or reroll?
i'm thinking take it
jaunty falcon
What are the curses?
autumn ginkgo
hidden chamber rewards for rare boons and plus trap damage for gold
i have 5 rerolls
mossy zinc
Gold then.
jaunty falcon
Are you near the end of a biome?
jaunty falcon
Gold
autumn ginkgo
k
jaunty falcon
If you are near the end of the biome, then hidden rewards is a free curse, because it gets used up on all the transition doors
And boon rarity is really good, it also increases chances for duos
mossy zinc
Favor and Affluence are pretty equal in value to me.
mossy zinc
Try HL1 MM.
mossy zinc
Favor.
jaunty falcon
What is the highest heat you have competed prior to these attempts?
mossy zinc
You could take the Owl Pendant into Asphodel instead of Conch Shell.
For Divine Dash and DDs.
autumn ginkgo
like 24 i think?
jaunty falcon
Maybe to 27-29 heat first as a stepping stone? It will be good practice
mossy zinc
Eh, I'd just do 32.
autumn ginkgo
ill do a few more runs at this heat and see how it goes
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
Could just do that, anyway
Except with Thunder Signet start on Eris.
shy plinth
I personally like HL1 CF0 FO2 over that but the pact is tried and true, just a question of how good you are at not getting hit
FO is a big difficulty jump but HL5 is quite noticeable as well
mossy zinc
Just don't get hit.
shy plinth
That is the ideal strategy
jaunty falcon
Easier done than said ngl, especially on something like hestia
shy plinth
Hestia seems a little easier tbh
You're reload-dashing a lot so you're more likely to empty dash
Empty dashing is the truth
mossy zinc
Why empty-dash when you can Tidal-Dash-Strike?
shy plinth
Because sometimes I do that and then get hit by a projectile
shy plinth
I don't like taking damage
long flax
Tidal Dash is something I find hard to use depending on the build
shy plinth
Even though I'm very good at it
long flax
Anything CQC needs a lot of timing with TD
jaunty falcon
Tidal Dash is something I find hard to use depending on the build
It's extremely worth the time it takes to get used to it, it does so much damage
mossy zinc
Tidal Dash is something I find hard to use depending on the build
I see what your mistake is.
shy plinth
Also don't play fists+tidal dash
mossy zinc
Tidal Dash is the build.
long flax
It's extremely worth the time it takes to get used to it, it does so much damage
You are correct haha it's just my talentless ass at it
jaunty falcon
Also don't play fists+tidal dash
It still works, trust me
autumn ginkgo
if i already have a 4 god pool, should i take art keepsake for the special? the other gods i have are demeter, ares + pos zeus
long flax
Tidal Dash *is* the build.
Hahaha I do want to try the lvl60 dash
jaunty falcon
I have ZAP anyheat wr in fists and I used tidal dash
mossy zinc
if i already have a 4 god pool, should i take art keepsake for the special? the ...
No, get Frost Flourish.
mossy zinc
Which region?
long flax
I have ZAP anyheat wr in fists and I used tidal dash
ZAP meaning?
jaunty falcon
ZAP meaning?
Zeus attack, Artemis special, Poseidon dash. It's a common build on fast attacking weapons
autumn ginkgo
going into asphodel
pseudo kernel
Athena keepsake
mossy zinc
Can you show your build rq?
long flax
Zeus attack, Artemis special, Poseidon dash. It's a common build on fast attacki...
Oh got it, so Achilles, Demeter and Eris?
jaunty falcon
Yes, and lucifer
autumn ginkgo
jaunty falcon
Achilles doesn't need Artemis special
shy plinth
Clearly that build is busted on gilgamesh, the one true fists aspect
long flax
Achilles doesn't need Artemis special
True haha better pp, right?
jaunty falcon
Yeah, you just don't use the special for damage on that aspect
mossy zinc
Conch Shell. And get some poms on your Dash.
autumn ginkgo
k
long flax
My best spear time was Achilles with fidget spinners
That's the only aspect I can use for the spear haha
Not really high heat, but still a valid 16
mossy zinc
How do you know it's valid?
autumn ginkgo
should i take poseidon special?
long flax
It has a certificate on it
mossy zinc
It's not valid for the high heat leaderboard.
autumn ginkgo
its blue, otehr option epic rupture
jaunty falcon
should i take poseidon special?
What are the other options
mossy zinc
should i take poseidon special?
No, you want his t2 boons for your Dash.
autumn ginkgo
or poseidon fish leg
mossy zinc
No lol.
long flax
It's not valid for the high heat leaderboard.
That's why I said not really high heat
jaunty falcon
Rupture
mossy zinc
Rupture then.
autumn ginkgo
k
jaunty falcon
Wait, how high does it need to be to submit?
mossy zinc
long flax
32
jaunty falcon
I never knew
mossy zinc
Well, you can submit runs below that, but they're just filtered out from the leaderboard.
jaunty falcon
Is this on speedrun.com or something else
mossy zinc
The high heat leaderboard is pinned here.
autumn ginkgo
has anyone ever completed 63 heat?
mossy zinc
Just make sure you have a previous death in the video for unseeded.
64 is max heat, and yes, but only routed.
cgull made the route, and Baj did the run.
jaunty falcon
Hestia is still viable at 50 right?
mossy zinc
Hestia is one of the best aspects for high heat.
honest kernel
hestia I found personally easiest for 50
jaunty falcon
Ik, I just wondered when the cutoff is because it sucks at 60+ because DC
mossy zinc
There's a Weapon Index tab. ("Player and Weapon Index")
autumn ginkgo
which keepsake to take in elysium?
mossy zinc
Hestia is among the three most popular aspects for high heat.
honest kernel
isnt the only weapon that beat 60+ rama anyway rama and zeus maybe
honest kernel
thx I remembered that it was a shield
waxen relic
and seeded Eris
mossy zinc
And Retrash did 60 with Eris, but seeded for Drunken Strike.
Pretty sure there was no routing at all, though.
jaunty falcon
Right, why is drunken strike better than lightning strike at high heat? I've never understood that
mossy zinc
Lightning Strike needs Jolted.
mossy zinc
Drunken Strike only needs poms really.
jaunty falcon
Makes sense
waxen relic
Which you can get by starting with MomPom.
mossy zinc
Which is what Retrash did.
waxen relic
Exactly.
jaunty falcon
Wonder if anyone's done drunken strike hestia
mossy zinc
The RNG to get that unseeded is silly, hence the seeding.
honest kernel
be the revolution
jaunty falcon
Do you start tidal for high heat Hestia?
jaunty falcon
Of course 💗
mossy zinc
I don't know what heretics start with, I can't ask them. My sacred crocodiles already ate them for their blasphemy.
waxen relic
I think DC2 Hestia starts with Tidal, other than that i haven't kept track. Seems like a fine idea though.
mossy zinc
Hadesprofessor started Shackle, Retrash started Conch Shell.
I think Shackle is the most common pick.
mossy zinc
That's because you're wise and smart and brave and beautiful and follow your heart.
Not like those heretics. 
next acorn
I arty attack good if your a heratic?
autumn ginkgo
if i already have epic greatest relex should i take hyper sprint?
waxen relic
You can get Hunter's Mark and abuse that against the Heroes, other than that i don't see a particular advantage. It's good yeah.
waxen relic
if i already have epic greatest relex should i take hyper sprint?
It gives sturdy at the very least.
jaunty falcon
Ok, I'm doing everything maxed apart from that I'm doing JS2, EM3, CP0, RI2 and DC0, does that look good? For hestia
waxen relic
And Sturdy is almost like an Aphrodite Boon. 
mossy zinc
if i already have epic greatest relex should i take hyper sprint?
Short answer is yes. Long answer is also yes.
jaunty falcon
I don't have maxed hellmode file
mossy zinc
Ok, I'm doing everything maxed apart from that I'm doing JS2, EM3, CP0, RI2 and ...
EM4 RI0 probably better, but it's doable.
autumn ginkgo
which keepsake should i take for styx?
mossy zinc
Acorn or Lucky Tooth.
waxen relic
Evergreen Acorn.
autumn ginkgo
i took lucky tooth for elysium but i didnt end up needing it
eris is very very good
i see why it is used so much
mossy zinc
Yes. Shop if you have money.
jaunty falcon
I'm broke
mossy zinc
Master Chaos, then.
Especially in Tartarus and Asphodel, take any risk you can if the reward is high.
You're not going for consistency here, you just need one run that works out.
autumn ginkgo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804829371713847296/861360098009022524/unknown.png Should i reroll? I already have almost everyhting i need
this is sack room
waxen relic
I think i'd take Cast and buy Demeter for Killing Freeze.
mossy zinc
Flood Shot then.
autumn ginkgo
k
waxen relic
I don't see how you'd get Rip Current here.^^
mossy zinc
Er, I was thinking Razor Shoals, I mixed up my names and symbols lol.
Anyway, Flood Shot.
mossy zinc
Either one. I like HP.
mossy zinc
Ravenous Will and Killing Freeze would both be good.
autumn ginkgo
which would be better?
waxen relic
The Latter.
autumn ginkgo
ok
mossy zinc
I'd grab whichever has higher rarity, probably.
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
autumn ginkgo
thanks for the help on setup and stuff - id probably still be working through tartarus without the help
waxen relic
My first 32 took until i gave into playing pre-1.0 Chaos Shield. 
mossy zinc
Pre-1.0 Chaos Aspect played itself.
waxen relic
It truly did. At 32 not any less.
jaunty falcon
Damn, I'm at the dad fight first try
autumn ginkgo
50 heat?
jaunty falcon
Yes
honest kernel
now mess him up
autumn ginkgo
nice
mossy zinc
Just focus on a clean fight, don't rush it.
waxen relic
Congrats!
jaunty falcon
Thanks for the help everyone
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
jaunty falcon
Unfortunately Aphrodite was not in my god pool
mossy zinc
That's why you have to start with 
.
It's okay, I can just delete your run from the leaderboard if you submit it without any .
jaunty falcon
I started shackle, and I got tempest strike in Tartarus. Thanks ap2
At least I had something to sell
honest kernel
congrats! 👍
orchid sundial
Other than rush delivery, how many of hermes boons are actually good?
gaunt fiber
Hyper sprint, Greatest Reflex are top tier for both the defense and offensive power they provide
pseudo kernel
Quick recovery
gaunt fiber
other than that : Second Wind, good to survive a bit more. I like Greater Evasion but that's just me. Depending on the aspect and situation, Swift strike/flourish can be good
Top 2 being sprint and reflex
mossy zinc
Second Wind is top tier for survivability if you build god gauge fast, which a lot of builds do.
gaunt fiber
but I said that already
mossy zinc
You didn't lol.
orchid sundial
How highly should I weigh hermes when choosing routes tho?
gaunt fiber
The rest is like, meh. Hermes really scales with rarity. Quick Recovery is... pretty bad but sometimes you get some value out of it
gaunt fiber
How highly should I weigh hermes when choosing routes tho?
Pretty much always I'd say
mossy zinc
Quick Recovery is whatever. The others can be great or do nothing at all depending on your build.
gaunt fiber
Hermes can carry a run with one boon
Others gods won't do that
And sometimes he'll give you some garbage to sell 
mossy zinc
If you have Greatest Reflex already and don't have a Call/don't build god gauge fast, the second Lord Hermes boon shouldn't be a high priority over other things that can help your DPS, but you should still aim to get it get before the Temple of Styx.
If you have Hyper Sprint already, the second Lord Hermes boon is very high priority for a chance at Rush Delivery.
If you have Stygian Soul, Bad News is +50% global damage, so that's always worth going for. Greater Recall is amazing for Cast builds.
Greater Evasion is better the more damage reduction and dodge chance you already have.
Quick Reload speeds up Hera boss fights a lot but doesn't really matter for other aspects. I guess maybe for Achilles.
forest violet
Swift flourish for guan yu
honest kernel
it is very hard
hallow cave
what are the best fists for high heat? its my least played weapon and I want to give it another chance to like it
jaunty falcon
I'd guess zag fists or Demeter, but all fists struggle
EM3 with fists is really hard
ashen garnet
Demeter is your best choice all-around, except if you want to give plume zag fists a try. EM4 is a huge nope except if you are already used to every patterns, get a build with very high survivability and/or extra dashes
mossy zinc
Very high survivability and DPS.
ashen garnet
I was considering that not timing out at Elysium is enough of a DPS check, but you need both ... and even more for superdad 
gaunt fiber
Really high damage will do the trick
I think my EM4 fight with Talos was like 4:40 or something
But it was darkness land
But I don't think you can steal an EM4 with your build alone on Malphon
hallow cave
Whats the meta build for demeter
What boons should I be goin for
And starting w
For 32 heat ig
unique zephyr
If you don’t want to go ME you do zeus attack, look for things like jolted
Special is a good percent based boon ideally arty or aphro
I do zeus start for dem fists
hallow cave
Thanks
ashen garnet
But I don't think you can steal an EM4 with your build alone on Malphon
Doable on a very high-roll, but things can go horribly wrong in any regular chamber prior to getting a decent build, so it's grindy. I guess all fists need a build at 50+
Or you just reset until you get Tartarus ME, divine dash and + dashes, but that's cheating
mossy zinc
I never reroll for epic dashes, I just get them first try.
gaunt fiber
Hm
I got to dad with ME once but you really have to pom the doom
Gets better with impending
viscid fractal
i'll do my coming out : i've never played ME at high heat
i really dislike duo hunting and i almost always have AP1 on
especially since in this case you need 3 boons + the duo to get it going
not saying it's bad it's just not my cup of tea
honest kernel
I dont even see that many ppl run it tbh
mossy zinc
It's not so much that you aim for ME but that you RNG into it, in my experience.
At high heat.
jaunty falcon
High heat Chiron: is starting tidal dash still the right choice here, as it is in anyheat?
I'm probably only going to try 40 heat though
mossy zinc
I'd always start Heartbreak Strike. But Tidal Dash should work.
I think it was @honest kernel who likes Drunken Flourish start?
Which makes sense, I guess, for early poms on it.
jaunty falcon
I genuinely think I'll shoot for drunken strike to strip DC2
And pivot towards splitting headache
Fun run time
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike for Weak into Drunken Flourish for Low Tolerance would make more sense.
But, I wouldn't take DC2 at 40 in the first place on Chiron.
jaunty falcon
Yeah, crit relies on conc volley
mossy zinc
Actually.
Curse of Agony would make the most sense with DC2, I think.
Base attack and the first hit of your special strips DC2, and then the rest of your Special + Doom does damage.
jaunty falcon
Since there are so many decent options, I'll start tidal dash and build as I go.
mossy zinc
I think a more-or-less pure Attack build + Hangover for bosses makes sense, too.
Yeah, plenty of options. I think it's somewhat underexplored for high heat.
All the bow mains just end up going to Rama.
jaunty falcon
I'll do legacy for fun
mossy zinc
If you start Tidal Dash, might as well just go for Tempest Flourish and Sea Storm.
Especially if you have RI0 AP0.
And maybe CF0.
But I think Chiron 40 Heat is pretty free still even after the nerf, so you should be fine, either way.
Just as long as you don't do some bad build with no damage.
Remember, you're playing Guan Yu with double HP and homing.
gaunt fiber
High heat Chiron: is starting tidal dash still the right choice here, as it is i...
Chiron can clear with Shackle, this is what I did for 50
if you don't have to deal with RI/AP you can start Aphro
mossy zinc
is still great with AP since both Heartbreak Strike and Heartbreak Flourish are great starts.
50% start even with AP2. That's decent.
And early poms will hit that either way.
jaunty falcon
I've currently got drunken flourish, concentrated volley and +83% special damage from chaos
Damage is fine
mossy zinc
Sounds like you're set.
jaunty falcon
And I've got an extra DD
mossy zinc
How much Hangover damage?
jaunty falcon
Level 3 rare
I timed out LMAO
Unfortunate BP2 combinations meant some Elysium rooms took 90 seconds. And Chiron really struggles in Elysium so that didn't help
mossy zinc
Ouch.
jaunty falcon
AP1 snatched 4 duo boons from me
mossy zinc
Don't do AP1 at 40 Heat.
jaunty falcon
I realised that I hate DC2 on any weapon
honest kernel
"Don't do AP1." FTFY
mossy zinc
I keep telling everyone, don't take DC2, don't take AP.
honest kernel
EM3, BP2?
mossy zinc
AP is fun for me, but it's not a great choice if you want to clear.
EM3 and BP2 are fine.
EM3 at 32 with Malphon is silly, though.
jaunty falcon
How much AP do you take at 50?
mossy zinc
Depends on the aspect. I did AP1 at 51 with Rama.
mossy zinc
Any aspect that can do EM4 reasonably should take EM4 and keep AP at 1 for 50+ imo.
And RI at 0.
solar maple
phantom did ap1 all the way up to 58 heat
mossy zinc
Link your pact and mirror real quick, though.
jaunty falcon
For the 50?
mossy zinc
I'm just awful at EM4
Same, but it's easier to get a broken build that can carry you through EM4 if you have RI0 AP1 than it is to get anything remotely decent with RI1+ and AP2.
jaunty falcon
Fair
mossy zinc
And just the fact alone that you can make it to dad more reliably helps a lot.
At that point it's like, you only gotta beat him once for the clear.
VS timing out in Elysium and stuff because your build sucked.
And you can more easily get DDs and stuff.
jaunty falcon
I'm pretty familiar using hestia with sub-par builds, which is why I chose AP2 RI2
Idk, it just felt good coming into dad fight with nearly max health, knowing that it was just EM3 dad
Granted it was HL5 FO2, but it still felt good
mossy zinc
Hestia can handle AP2 and RI2, yeah.
Because it doesn't really even need boons to begin with if you have Shackle.
jaunty falcon
I would have definitely died if I hadn't taken acorn into Styx
Also frost strike helped a ton, basically removed 6 heat
I guess I got pretty lucky with my attack boon in that run
gaunt fiber
yeah shackle hestia still requires a bit of practice
narrow carbon
@jaunty falcon My Chiron 40 was Attack based (basically Zag bow) because tagging and specialling enemies felt slow. I might have taken Mom Pom in Tart. #h1-victory-boasting message
mossy zinc
I don't think Drunken Flourish relies on hammers.
true fable
drunken flourish is more duo reliant than anything else
autumn ginkgo
for lc4 if you get patty you always take touch of styx dark right?
pseudo kernel
Yeah
mossy zinc
No.
Depends on your confidence etc.
If you just want to clear, then yeah.
But Jerky is still amazing for speed.
feral forum
im gonna attempt my first high heat run, what pacts should i go for? im using eris
mossy zinc
What Heat?
feral forum
32
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
Just swap for Thunder Signet on Eris.
feral forum
aight wml
mossy zinc
You know about how to get DDs from Lady Athena when using Stubborn Defiance?
feral forum
yep
mossy zinc
Alright. Just remember you need a core boon from her first (except Call) because her DDs are tier 2.
If you're having trouble with that pact, we can look into that and maybe make some changes. But from experience helping a lot of players, that's been the most successful starting point for a pact.
For mirror and the build otherwise, I'll refer you to Lili's Eris guide. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/
Just that you'd use Stubborn Defiance, and probably Thick Skin over High Confidence.
Although with Eris, you can probably do High Confidence even at 32 and be fine if you're halfway experienced with it.
feral forum
yeah im not gonna try high confidence at least not yet
mossy zinc
And Divine Dash over Tidal Dash for the safety and DDs... but you could also take Tidal Dash if you see him in Tartarus and just take Divine Flourish for the % damage and DDs.
feral forum
alrite
ah i ran out of time AHAHAHA im really not used to this
maybe i should do the one where it takes you 2 hits for enemies to be damaged? so i can have more time? hmm ill try that
feral forum
i see
mossy zinc
You're better off just practicing to be faster tbh. Eris is the most consistently fast aspect in the game.
And TD3 is 3 Heat over TD2.
Putting that 3 Heat into something else makes things a lot harder.
What's your PB right now with Eris?
mossy zinc
No, not at all.
That should be good enough to do TD3 at 32.
Just might take a few runs to get used to it.
BP2 etc. is quite a bit of new stuff.
Make sure you take free rooms to save time.
You can also pause the game anytime you make a decision for room picks and stuff.
Making those decisions fast and still competently requires some serious RTA practice or a whole lot of general experience. Pausing the timer is extremely common.
feral forum
hmm yeah i cant really do that with kbm haha not used to having my pinkie in esc al the time might have to change the keybinds for it
mossy zinc
Well, it's only for when you pick an exit really.
feral forum
ill practice more
mossy zinc
lol I timed out at 19 Heat with Guan Bad.
mossy zinc
I didn't have a real hammer until late in Elysium lol.
mossy zinc
Was trying out Heartbreak Flourish into Drunken Strike a little more. That didn't really work out.
heady olive
drunken strike
mossy zinc
I was also trying out Winged Serpent with that for a change. Turns out Winged Serpent still sucks as much as I think it does.
honest kernel
I usually go heartrend on chiron but I'd start with drunken flourish yeah
mossy zinc
6s Charm works for exactly 2s on Theseus. Finally bothered to record and look.
Quite sure it's the same for all bosses.
So 33% duration.
feral forum
Man em4 hades messed me up haha, i was so close too i probs going to need to practice em4 first then try again 32 heat is pain but im liking it
mossy zinc
I wouldn't take EM4 until like 50+.
feral forum
50+ ? Yeah im not gonna reaxh that any time soon haha, youve been playing since beta rite?
mossy zinc
Early Access Steam release.
Point is EM4 is pretty much the hardest pact you can take at 32.
jaunty falcon
Imagine RI4 EM4 AP2 LC4 HS BP2 being your first 32
feral forum
Haha
devout quiver
EM4 is great for having fun, but pretty bad for winning consistently
I love the EM4 fight. It's one of my favorite fights in any game ever
mossy zinc
Y'all are weird.
devout quiver
I have more fun when I'm losing than winning most of the time. It makes me want to get better
feral forum
Loosing makes me motivated
devout quiver
clutching a win from a very near loss is the best feeling I can ever have in a game, personally
devout quiver
I unironically listen to The unseen ones
there's a metal cover on YT that's absolute fire
mossy zinc
I like difficulty, but I don't think the fight is well balanced at all.
It's ridiculously anti-melee.
jaunty falcon
I've tried to play the opening sequence on guitar, but it's too hard for my fingers to keep up
jaunty falcon
I think Hades was the first game I played where I got to a level where progression became unfair
mossy zinc
The game already has problems here and there with off-screen projectiles from above or below before you can react, to the point where you should be moving mainly left/right in a lot of rooms to avoid that, and EM4 takes that up to 11 lol.
honest kernel
or the bouncing spear
mossy zinc
EM4 skulls are no different than normal skulls for ranged aspects, but melee have to waste dashes just to even reach them lol.
devout quiver
I swap between EM4 and EM3 often enough that the extra swipe during his lunge attack throws me off all the time.
next acorn
It should be illegal to be as good if a song as unseen ones is
That alone make the fight fun
quartz mantle
Gotta crank that music up to max during phase 3
tepid mural
I have more fun when I'm losing than winning most of the time. It makes me want ...
This
If I won every game I'd get bored
calm granite
Gotta crank that music up to max during phase 3
Lmaoooo facts
calm granite
Man em4 hades messed me up haha, i was so close too i probs going to need to pra...
I’m not understanding the lingo. What’s Em4 mean??? Sorry I’ve only been playing Hades a few days.
feral forum
thats spoiler tehnically actually this place is for "post first run" so all of these are spoilers haha
vital grove
Yeah this channel isn't for you just yet
This channel is about two things: making the game extremely difficult and worshiping Aphrodite.
feral forum
basically
tepid mural
This channel is about two things: making the game extremely difficult and worshi...
And I dont care about difficulty
feral forum
I think, that he thought the first phase has its own 3 phase maybe thats what he meant by third phase? Idk man
quartz mantle
He's had the game for a few days so I assumed he just didn't know what EM4 was
mossy zinc
Haelian going for 40 Heat streak. (Not going for WR or anything, though.) https://www.twitch.tv/haelian
ashen garnet
Well that was fast 
mossy zinc
lol
honest kernel
so far he's at a minus 3 streak
mossy zinc
Bablo is in chat now, so it should be fine.
Most importantly, he has Heartbreak Strike.
narrow carbon
Haelian is using EM4 in all runs?
mossy zinc
He might, yeah.
bright mango
@ashen garnet what does your status mean? I tried Google translating it from latin but it doesn’t make any sense
amber pebble
No, it means correlation implies causation, actually. <:courte5DusaBond:85156835...
And what does that mean
Correlation tests for a relationship between two variables. However, seeing two variables moving together does not necessarily mean we know whether one variable causes the other to occur. This is why we commonly say “correlation does not imply causation
heady olive
thats what nyaanyaa said
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc i assume u didnt read what she said clearly
oh hmm
forest violet
send help
im dying in 32 heat
how to people do it?
I think hestia bestia to win it
jaunty falcon
What is your pact?
forest violet
lemme check again
solemn pulsar
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1o54y1J7ct
58 heat Beowulf clear
Seems to be modified in some way to give PL on a non hell mode file, as PL doesn’t show up but has to be active to get this pact to 58
mossy zinc
Perfect thumbnail.
mossy zinc
Seems to be modified in some way to give PL on a non hell mode file, as PL doesn...
If they want to submit this to the leaderboard, we need proof in the video that PL is active. Policy for mods that allow PL in normal mode is that they're fine so long as the other Hell mode pacts must also be enabled, but we also need to see that PL is active.
If I don't see proof that PL is active, I'll have to subtract one Heat, because the Heat that I see doesn't add up to 58, only 57.
If they can point to any timestamp where the invulnerability shield would trigger but doesn't because of PL, that would be enough. But for future submissions, I'd rather they just show PL on the pact.
I'll post this in the speedrun server, too.
ancient rivet
@mossy zinc is there any first try speedruns?!
mossy zinc
You mean fresh file?
ancient rivet
yea idk im new to the game
but i figured out that it wouldn't be that hard for a person that's used to this kind of game
solemn pulsar
If they want to submit this to the leaderboard, we need proof in the video that ...
I dont think they want to submit it necessarily
ancient rivet
cuz i did a very good run on my 3rd try i got to like 4th stage and im not even into this type of videogame
solemn pulsar
they weren't even the one that shared it with us, just wanted to put it here to share
idk them at all, magnil said they were relatively unknown in the chinese heat community, i think
mossy zinc
Fresh file leaderboard is here, you can also view the rules there. https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Fresh_File
The guides section has a couple guides specifically for fresh file speedruns. https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guides
solemn pulsar
but i figured out that it wouldn't be that hard for a person that's used to this...
it exists, and is still a very difficulty category, and there are very few completed runs relative to other categories
solemn pulsar
this channel is mostly spoilers based for a lot of late game stuff, i would avoid it if i were you
ancient rivet
i had a problem at the start but i think i fixed it, my progress on my run didn't save so it's like i've never played
mossy zinc
Yeah, this is the end game channel, pretty much.
amber pebble
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc i assume u didnt read wha...
No I did fully read what nyaanyaa said but the thing is I was very confused
mossy zinc
@jaunty falcon I can get very consistent 8:00–8:30 with the speedrun mod. Only rarely sub 8.
mossy zinc
Right.
No barge, no Tiny Vermin, guaranteed 2 sack, etc.
It's great for practice.
Elysium RNG can still swing wildly.
But you get a lot more consistency.
jaunty falcon
Knowing me I'm going to try 1 run with those mods and knock out a 6:30 instantly
And never replicate it again
What was your Elysium exit on your 7 flat?
mossy zinc
So you can better see where you're regularly wasting time, where you're improving, etc.
mossy zinc
lol
heady olive
No I did fully read what nyaanyaa said but the thing is I was very confused
oh lol hopefully u understand the misleading phrase now
amber pebble
Ye
cosmic sparrow
So if im using the bows hidden aspect does effects also transfer
jaunty falcon
So if im using the bows hidden aspect does effects also transfer
Not quite sure what you mean, transfer from what exactly?
shy plinth
Debuffs do not hit shared suffering targets
pseudo kernel
So if im using the bows hidden aspect does effects also transfer
no
shy plinth
It is only damage
cosmic sparrow
Oh ok
pseudo kernel
yeah its only the damage from the attack
jaunty falcon
Oh status effects
shy plinth
Yeah like if you have doom attack and a bunch of marked enemies only things hit by the attack itself will get doom
cosmic sparrow
Well thats exactly what i was wondering because i got curse of agony and didn’t know if it spread
shy plinth
It does not, nor does the doom damage
It's only the damage from the big arrow hitting
jaunty falcon
If you want doom to spread better, put it on the special
shy plinth
Artemis is very common for rama for that reason
Yeah
Usually you want the attack on rama to be a big chunky % based increase - artemis is the obvious one, but you can do athena/aph/demeter if you wanted
Though demeter is also really nice on special
jaunty falcon
I think the top Rama players prefer aphro on attack and Artemis dash
Because you don't crit enough for deadly strike to be worth it
gaunt fiber
That's not right
Triple and twin are amazing multipliers for deadly strike
Not to mention chaos
shy plinth
The top rama players prefer shackle
jaunty falcon
I meant top Rama players in anyheat, sorry should have clarified
shy plinth
Speedrunning rama seems like a whole different ballgame
gaunt fiber
Look at the chan friend :D
shy plinth
Damage is huge but the wind up time takes forever
jaunty falcon
But any percentage god except Poseidon is good
shy plinth
Didn't it just get the first sub 7 last week
jaunty falcon
Yes
shy plinth
Scalarmotion the god
jaunty falcon
Look at the chan friend :D
All channels are the same to me lol
gaunt fiber
The channelblind curse 
shy plinth
Either way I do think Artemis tends to be more common
But aph is perfectly fine
Rama is also a pretty solid ap2 weapon
mossy zinc
Triple and twin are amazing multipliers for deadly strike
Umm... that's not how that works. Twin and Triple by themself do more for Heartbreak than for Deadly Strike. It's the +% boons and hammers that do more for Deadly Strike.
jaunty falcon
I think what astaos means is that because you'll crit more often, your true crit rate will be closer to 15% than without twin/triple shot
mossy zinc
You're giving him too much credit.
gaunt fiber
I think what astaos means is that because you'll crit more often, your true crit...
Absolutely
and crit on Rama is pretty poggers
hallow cave
Why is shackle used over a boon?
honest kernel
ap2
shy plinth
Yeah it's only at super high heats
I believe Tail had a very nice run where he got artemis dash and left the attack empty with shackle
Big damage
hallow cave
Oh right ok
Lol thats so obvious why didn't I realise
Finally gonna get to starting playing again tomorrow
I tried 50 heat a couple days ago and barely made it out of asphodel before immediately dying in elysium
Probably should branch out with weapons before going too high heat
honest kernel
you can totally just grind 1 weapon for high heat
shy plinth
1 good weapon yes
mossy zinc
1 good weapon yes
said the Gilgamain.
shy plinth
You will note my absence on the high heat leaderboard
hallow cave
Stuck between achilles and rama then 
mossy zinc
Yeah, but bad for speedruns.
I thought I was gonna do some Rama speedruns for a fun a little earlier, and after 30 minutes of awful Tartarus, I changed my mind lol.
honest kernel
yeah achilles is the better one for speedruns
but this is the chad heat runner channel
mossy zinc
What's curious is that Rama speed sucks at low heat but remains pretty consistent no matter how much JS CP DC you add.
shy plinth
It's very good at solving problems that lower heat doesn't have
mossy zinc
Yeah.
hallow cave
I know rama is objectively better for the job
But I have a lot more experience w spear as of right now
magic pier
This makes me feel better about my Rama time struggles.
hallow cave
But getting those cast builds running up and working is hard
shy plinth
Achilles at 50?
hallow cave
Can get them running easily on 32
shy plinth
Doable I'm sure but seems pretty tough
hallow cave
Achilles at 50?
Yeah
shy plinth
You have to take so many boon-limiting pacts
hallow cave
Or 40
shy plinth
40 should be a good bit easier though you probably have to start looking into CF
hallow cave
I had it on all my 32 runs didn't feel as though it screwed me over
And by styx I alr had pretty good builds so it didn't really matter
shy plinth
It's a non-combat boon so it feels like it isn't impactful but boy is it nice to buy 150g boons and 100g poms
CF0 is a drug
Really hard to go back
mossy zinc
This makes me feel better about my Rama time struggles.
By "sucks" I mean for speedruns. It's still quite fast and consistent.
shy plinth
Our experiences are very different
I cleared every aspect on 32 with cf0 and don't think I would have gotten there with cf2
hallow cave
Welp
shy plinth
Cf0 is super great for cast weapons in particular
magic pier
By "sucks" I mean for speedruns. It's still quite fast and consistent.
I hear you. It's just the aspect I've had the hardest time really shaving time off.
shy plinth
Beo mainly but I'm sure achilles and hera feel the same
magic pier
That's all.
shy plinth
Pretty hard to make a weapon with a 2 second draw go faster
I believe Rama was the last aspect to sub 7
Either rama or chaos
It was rama by like a day, just looked
honest kernel
achilles on 40 was pretty ez for me
50 you get way less stuff so the struggle begins
waxen relic
I had it on all my 32 runs didn't feel as though it screwed me over
Because it doesn't really do it at 32 Heat. You still have enough to work with. But turning it off can help some people get their stronger build, which helps them a lot.
hallow cave
I think I got to theseus w achilles first try at 40
But I had to go so I just dipped on it
A good build w achilles melting em3 theseus in 20 seconds is the life
mossy zinc
CF2 is typically easier than some other pacts at 32 for players new to high heat.
But it always depends on the pact combos and stuff.
waxen relic
Reminds me of the 'playing responsibly theory' i had.
hallow cave
Trying to find the good combo for 50
mossy zinc
I think we both agreed on that one lol. Newer players aren't hurt as much by CF2 because they don't spend their money well or make good boon choices anyway.
hallow cave
I think a couple days of practise will get thru it but EM4 is just
mossy zinc
So the effect isn't as strong.
hallow cave
Scary
honest kernel
yeah figure out if you wanna do em4 or not
honest kernel
em4 is prob better for achilles because you dont have to deal with ri then
waxen relic
You always have the choice until 60 Heat. 
honest kernel
hallow cave
hallow cave
em4 is prob better for achilles because you dont have to deal with ri then
ri?
Nvm routine inspection
mossy zinc
I think aside from Beowulf, there are more 50 Heat runs on the board without EM4 than with EM4.
mossy zinc
Yeah, quite recently. And still only for certain aspects, I think.
Unless you're Retrash.
hallow cave
Non em4 for achilles feels too crippling
mossy zinc
Have you looked at any of the Achilles runs on the board?
honest kernel
its just crazy punishing and you prob have to grind for it
shy plinth
I wouldn't think you'd need em4 at 40 for achilles
hallow cave
I looked at like 2 tailesque runs where he rain a zeus attack build which I am not familiar w at all
mossy zinc
its just crazy punishing and you prob have to grind for it
Well, my strat for Rama was get a broken build that carries me through it lol.
honest kernel
we talking 50
hallow cave
So I didn't really know what was going on w the decision making
hallow cave
I wouldn't think you'd need em4 at 40 for achilles
I was talking abt 50
hallow cave
I use cast builds for achilles so far
mossy zinc
Yeah, Lightning Strike and Deadly Strike are the meta for Achilles.
honest kernel
I did artemis atk for my 40 but that was bc hunting blades
Oh, wait, thought Rama.
mossy zinc
Well, Tidal Dash start into either of these.
honest kernel
why am i even in this channel
shy plinth
At 50 it does end up looking kinda gross
hallow cave
DC2 is a villain man
shy plinth
It's obv not ideal
But heat gotta come from somewhere
Better than CP2 for sure right?
mossy zinc
I think Tidal Dash is still a good start at 50 tbh.
Practice is gonna matter more than the pact, at the end of the day.
magic pier
I wouldn't think you'd need em4 at 40 for achilles
But EM4!
hallow cave
We'll see
shy plinth
I know you enjoy EM4 pickle lol
hallow cave
I'll be starting tomorrow
I also need to actually practise em4 bc I only attempted it once while I was a schnoob
mossy zinc
Nah, don't practice it, just get Epic Greatest Reflex. That's my strat.
shy plinth
Just practice getting epic greatest reflex
mossy zinc
I like to get it first try or third try.
hallow cave
Lmao
mossy zinc
Second try doesn't feel right, but maybe I'll do that next time. We'll find out.
gaunt fiber
<:shadesmile:520447982727069737> But EM4!
The only way
waxen relic
Talos was quite relaxed actually. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/863149952712704030/20210709220810_1.jpg
Got hit like thrice in the last ten seconds though
waxen relic
ZagSword, Nemesis, Arthur, Chaos, ZagBow, Chiron, Rama, ZagFist, Demeter, Hestia, Lucifer. 
waxen relic
I'm pretty bad at Arthur. Did LP for 40 Heat lol.
waxen relic
But i was kinda thinking about trying to streak Mirrorless a bit.
GY Hestia and Chiron should be consistent clears. Zeus too.
mossy zinc
I think the one problem with Excalibur can be the timer.
ashen garnet
Following @waxen relic's run, I finally did it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/863158190380417065/Hades_149.png
eternal hare
rr boonless talos 😮
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
ashen garnet
Congratulations! <:courte5AphroHeart:851568347346894908> <:courte5DusaBond:85156...
Thank you 
I can finally submit something I am proud of to the leaderboard
hallow cave
Dayum
bright forum
wow I need to try a boonless run that sounds hard and fun as hell
honest kernel
it sucks tbh
you have to pray to the rng gods that you dont get forced into a boon that benefits you
hallow cave
Or just act like ur doing a normal run so the gods give you the worst boon 
fallow blade
Wait how the heck can you do a boonless run? I feel like I wouldn't be able to do enough damage in the 5 minute time. That's incredible.
pseudo kernel
Shattered shackle gives bonus damage when you have no boons
fallow blade
Ahhhh got it. Thanks!
pseudo kernel
Np
mossy zinc
I kind of enjoyed boonless more before the Shackle change tbh. Kind of defeats the point for me.
honest kernel
shackle is kindof better than most atk boons lmao
fallow blade
What was the shackle change?
mossy zinc
Shackle gave bonus trap damage before.
fallow blade
Ah interesting
honest kernel
im ok w it because its a good pick now but yeah
mossy zinc
Which, it turned out, was actually really good for solo Asterius because the pillars do a lot of bonus damage to him. But we didn't really get to experiment with it much because just as Tailesque started running it for that to try it out, they changed it to what it is now.
mossy zinc
shackle is kindof better than most atk boons lmao
It's the max damage you can get from a Lv.1 Heartbreak Strike lol.
Great for high heat AP2, though.
They also changed it to that very shortly after we started doing high heat boonless.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the inspiration.
honest kernel
pretty much
celest grail
timer is horrifying on 50 yeah
can easily fail a run because you got terrible enemies or sack'd
hallow cave
Yeah felt crafty and used zeus athena over my normal artemis ares poseidon
jaunty falcon
What aspect are you using?
hallow cave
And I didn't realise how good athena cast was w the duo boon
Achilles, its my favourite
Second is rama, but I have way more experience and clears w achilles at high heat
Also couldn't pull jolt
Unfortunately
Furthest I went today on practices was that, did some EM4 practice too
honest kernel
nice
eternal hare
achilles 50 is rough
hallow cave
Yeep
elfin rock
honest kernel
no but you can purge boons and not use them
pseudo kernel
Nice
bronze rapids
thanks to the pinned for heat setup
was kind of scared to do LC4 but it wasn't as scary as I thought
for healing with SD in Elysium and Styx is it a matter of feeling when the last wave spawns so you can die to an enemy
because some Elysium traps don't work after you clear the room
narrow carbon
The Elysium egg-shaped traps work - but not the spear traps (edit: ah, yes, you said some)
keen nymph
@shy gulch how's the pog frog doing today
shy gulch
zealous jackal
oh my god it's the pog prog
viscid fractal
What spear aspect do you guys think is best for 40 heat ?
I've focused on Guan Yu for the distance plays but it's very hammer reliant
honest kernel
they all felt equally ok to me on 40 but gy is my fav
spears are always gonna be hammer reliant if you want some decent dmg
jaunty falcon
I think I did zag spear exploding launcher for my 40 heat spear clear, it was pretty safe
hallow cave
I got to theseus
With 4 d.d
Terrible athena luck on elysium compared to asphodel
Couldnt get duo or legendary
And accieentally wasted my last battie w a misclick
Timer got me at the fight
:,)
Was goin so well
gaunt fiber
What spear aspect do you guys think is best for 40 heat ?
Depends if you like spear or not. If you don't, you can go Achilles and go the casting way / flurry jab.
Hades and Guan Yu are the real spears to me as they have an identity. My favorite is Guan Yu. The best builds involve charged skewer but you can totally win without it (spin hammers are nice too).
If you want to know more about GY don't hesitate 
viscid fractal
it's not that i don't like spear it's just that i'm not very good at it
i like guan yu because you can play safe, i've simply went aphro special and looked for explosive launcher or charged skewer
but it's hard if i don't get those
honest kernel
pretty sure gy doesnt get explosive
jaunty falcon
Yes it doesn't, explosive launcher kind of already build into Guan yu's kit
viscid fractal
oh
jaunty falcon
But charged skewer Guan yu is really powerful
unique zephyr
I did my 40 heat spear with hades spear, but I used hades spear because I thought it was fun
mossy zinc
Just use all of them.
mossy zinc
Aspect?
pseudo kernel
zeus
devout quiver
seems like ez cast purge to me, unless youre building for lightning phalanx
mossy zinc
What's the pact and rest of the build?
Oh wait yeah, roll and sell Attack.
Probably.
But if you have AP2, odds of getting a DD are really low anyway.
mossy zinc
Did you have Lucky Tooth?
pseudo kernel
no, acorn
pseudo kernel
bruh
pp man too fast
except during the fight with bull man
i was too slow during that
gaunt fiber
bull fast
hallow cave
Bull too fast 
ashen garnet
FO2 bull man charge collisions and turning speed 
red basalt
FO2 bull man charge collisions and turning speed <:shadedisgruntled:520448241490...
This is so true. I deliberately wait against a wall to try and bait out the charge, then dash through Asterius, but he either somehow turns away or still hits me through the dash somehow.
warm otter
Hey all
Any tips/tricks for clearing 32?
unique zephyr
And what weapon aspects are you most comfortable with?
If you don’t have one in particular in mind, Hestia is pretty easy to use comparatively if you get used to reload rhythm and rebind reload button to left bumper or something
But if there is one aspect you really love, no reason to adjust to using Hestia especially if you hate using Hestia or something
I will say fists and swords in general have a harder time at high heat in my experience but in general the aspects are well balanced until like 50 heat so it’s mostly preference
warm otter
There's a pinned heat guide. What heat do you normally run on?
Well currently I’m just trying to get the last Skelly statue lol, and I don’t run on heat if I can help it. But given that I have sort of a motivator now, I want to try and do it. I was able to clear 16 fine enough, but over that it’s been a bit of a struggle and I don’t know if it’s better to work my way up to 32 level by level like I’ve been doing, or just try to jump it (with practice, of course)
warm otter
If you don’t have one in particular in mind, Hestia is pretty easy to use compar...
Yea, I’ve looked into it a little and heard Hestia is pretty good, but I’ve never been super great with the rail
I’m best with the fists, Gilgamesh usually, but yea as you’ve said they’re not great with high heat lol which is a bummer for me
jaunty falcon
Its really beneficial to learn how to play Hestia, it will definitely help in the long run
warm otter
Oh cool, will work on practicing with it!
warm otter
There's a pinned heat guide. What heat do you normally run on?
Also just saw the pinned heat guide; thank you!
jaunty falcon
I would work your way up to 32 heat, if the highest you've done is 16, try 25 before you do 32
shy plinth
Yep I had the most success just inching my way up
You don't normally play with heat at all?
I generally recommend picking a base pact and just always leaving it on
Especially for things like EM and MM and BP that just become normal with practice
To a degree TD is the same and UC can be as well
quartz mantle
Honestly my advice is to take your 16 heat pact and just add LC4 and run Stubborn Defiance
Get used to playing boss fights with only 1 DD and utilizing Stubborn Defiance to deal with LC4 since it’ll help you with adding extra heat for 32
shy plinth
Good advice
warm otter
I generally recommend picking a base pact and just always leaving it on
No that’s really good advice, and I hadn’t considered the benefits of that before, especially if I’m trying to improve on heats, I will definitively be doing that from now on
warm otter
To a degree TD is the same and UC can be as well
To deal with TD is it just like try with 9, then 7, then 5, or is it better to just kinda throw myself into 5
TD is like my least favorite as I am a very slow player lol
warm otter
Get used to playing boss fights with only 1 DD and utilizing Stubborn Defiance t...
As in like, practice with it to get better at dealing with 1 DD and then take stubborn defiance off when getting to higher heats? Or go with stubborn defiance the whole way through?
shy plinth
The common strategy at 32+ is LC4 and stubborn defiance
warm otter
Gotcha
shy plinth
It actually makes rooms easier, you just have to tighten up your boss fights
warm otter
Rule #1 is don't make the game not fun for you
A good rule lol, usually the pact makes it a little not fun sometimes but I’ve also just always been a story-oriented player vs combat-oriented
But I really really appreciate the help
shy plinth
Pushing heat is fun 🙂 You get used to it
warm otter
I’m hoping to : )
Any advice in terms of companion/keepsake? I usually use Mort, and then for Tartarus whatever I’m feeling but acorn for Asphodel and Elysium and then tooth for Styx and Hades
mossy zinc
Acorn for Hades.
Get comfortable beating Lernie without Acorn.
That's a huge opportunity cost there. You're missing out on taking a god keepsake to make your build much stronger or the Owl Pendant to get Divine Dash and DDs from her.
Or even just Coin Purse to get free 150 obols.
If you're hitting Mort where you need to, keep using Mort.
The meta for speedruns and high heat is Battie, and in high heat also sometimes Antos.
warm otter
That's a huge opportunity cost there. You're missing out on taking a god keepsak...
Good point, what would u recommend for asph instead of acorn? Coin purse? Or a god keepsake, like you mentioned?
warm otter
The meta for speedruns and high heat is Battie, and in high heat also sometimes ...
Oh excellent, good to know