h1-high-heat-strategies

[ashen garnet]

Speeder slugger chariots ?

Used to dash through them, but being impervious to stuns because of the armor can really be an issue and some BP will still be difficult to deal with. Mobs being dumb at times and chariots only hitting on contact, passing through an obstacle (even repeatedly) really throws them off as they try to get around it

[honest kernel]

nah it was teleport+the gravity thing

they are just too punishing they do too much dmg :(

[gaunt fiber]

[pseudo kernel]

ok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/853994816182681641/Screenshot_335.png

[honest kernel]

nice

[heady olive]

nice

[mossy zinc]

Where is the main character?

[pseudo kernel]

who

[mossy zinc]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PeppyCloudySnoodDoggo-1SiN8wRSl3hsg9j8

[pseudo kernel]

nah who cares?

[mossy zinc]

https://imgur.com/a/Z9Y4S7T

[pseudo kernel]

wait i actually got life affirmation

but then i purged it

[mossy zinc]

...

[gaunt fiber]

nicely done pp man

[pseudo kernel]

thanks

[quartz mantle]

Wait I didn’t even notice that was 2 minutes overtime damn

[pseudo kernel]

i ran out of time during the heroes fight and in the hades fight

i luckily had an athena dd and kiss of styx (?) from patty

during the heroes fight

[gaunt fiber]

dark touch of styx

Or touch of styx dark rather

[pseudo kernel]

otuch of styx dark

nice

[gaunt fiber]

fu

:D

[pseudo kernel]

:D

[limpid pecan]

I want to do a beowulf 32 heat run. Which conditions with the PoP do I choose?

[wintry berry]

Have you checked the pins? How comfortable are you with FO1/FO2 and TD2/TD3? Is LC4 a thing you are ok with?

[limpid pecan]

I think I can live with lc3 and td2 and fo2

[wintry berry]

Something like this, but the pact could be better if you play with LC4 + Stubborn defiance https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770315207750320140/854043322862796820/pact_32_example.PNG

[shy plinth]

No cf with beo

Wait that pact is super weird

CP is a nightmare right?

[wintry berry]

Again the pact could be better, and i would not run this pact myself

[shy plinth]

Yeah just saw the context

Lc3 is pretty weird bzello

I'd def recommend getting reps in with lc4

Td3 will help a lot if you can do it or jamming points into hl

[unique zephyr]

LC4 is worth getting used to if you’re pushing heat, I thought it would be a worse adjustment than it actually was for me

[next acorn]

Same it sounded terrible but isn't as bad as it seems with making use of SD

[shy plinth]

It's also about what you have to take if you dodge LC4

And the answer is a bunch of crap

[edgy arrow]

idk i think using DDs is legit for 32

if you’re doing that you gotta play into it tho and go LC0 imo

and ye CF garbage on beo

beo handles CP better than most aspects but i’d still recommend taking extra JS instead

unless you wanna mess with other icky stuff like FO2 HL5 or CF you’ll prolly wanna pick either LC4 or TD3 to work on though

[shy plinth]

That's mostly it

Like the halfway approach just means you end up with all of the downsides

[midnight rivet]

This one is rough. Gonna take me a while at least to get comfy with no heal outside of stubborn defiance

[shy plinth]

It's an adjustment for sure, but it really helps teach you how to have clean boss fights

It's pretty easy to get so used to the bosses that you just spam a DD per boss and facetank

I think SD makes rooms a lot easier, especially at high BP

[unique zephyr]

It makes the rooms easier to clear fast under TD3

Since losing a defiance with SD isn’t a loss that costs lots of money if you find one in the well at all

Do you know about the Athena DD exploits with Stubborn defiance to get a one time use death defiance?

[waxen relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/854098224603987999/20210614224009_1.jpg since i said it's EM4 Month i had to do this i said to me today

truly a cursed way to play the game

the run before (which was the first that made it to dad) had speedy sth Greatshields in Chamber 32, 33 and 34

[ashen garnet]

Not a mirrorless EM4 ? Shocking

[waxen relic]

but the real win today is that i found out how to use Antos vs CP Crystal

you need to let the trap strip the armor between the hits

that won't spawn shards it seemed like

[honest kernel]

good stuff 😌

[midnight rivet]

i saw it i nthe pinned video but dont remember how to get it. and it just gives u one more use right? so once i lose it i wont be getting it every encounter

also how do i get the last summon lol

[waxen relic]

Yes, and you need to use the one that comes back (die) and then pick up the boon from athena in the same room

[next acorn]

Achilles companion?

[waxen relic]

Which summons do you have?

[midnight rivet]

eveyrthing but the ant. i actually didn't know one exists till i saw that pinned video here

[waxen relic]

You need to go through the story between Achilles and the NPC in Elysium.

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations! Perfect choice of Cast.

Nice Smoldering Air build without Smoldering Air.

[midnight rivet]

ah. lemme look it up. i see a delay in that story but i am unsure what i ahven't done to progress it. maybe didn't give some alcohol to someone lol

[mossy zinc]

Maybe just hasn't come up yet. There's a lot of story in the game.

[midnight rivet]

I’m hearing it’s possible that because I haven’t finished the Orpheus story thst maybe that’s why the Achilles one is delayed. But I have been sending messages back and forth. I got a ton of clears in the game too

[narrow carbon]

Getting Antos took a long time on my fresh hell file - happened between 20-30 clears. Achilles and Patroclus need to be at max Nectar, and you just need to keep talking to them until Patroclus says to “risk it all” after which Achilles will ask you to release his contract.

[wanton plover]

do yall prefer dio or zeus spec with chaos shield

does it make a huge difference

[spice lava]

It's kinda the same. Dio will want Bad Influence to get decent damages and Zeus starts to be interesting with Jolted, more with Splitting Bolt

Zeus has boons which are more dmg oriented like double strike

Dio stuff is more about control with boons to spread the poison or slowing poisoned foes

I'm just talking about solo Zeus or solo Dio builds, if you find some duos, DPS will improve as well

I have a preference for Dio

[kindred panther]

Look at this ridiculous finisher

oh shoot i can't attach files

[pseudo kernel]

if you post it in a private discord server and then copy the image link and paste it here it will automatically embed

[gaunt fiber]

[ashen garnet]

Just went for a casual Demeter fists run and gods, even though using specials needs some commitment, the giga-cutter is so insane at bossing went for kinetic hammer in Elysium and I kinda understand why it's so good at hit and run

[gaunt fiber]

lmao yeah the difference with Talos must be something

[ashen garnet]

Also feeling like the attack gets out slightly faster than on Talos whereas the special does not always trigger (might be only me, or different timings)

[ashen garnet]

I was still trying to special-dashcancel in Styx given how much of a reflex it has become for me

[next acorn]

That’s a thing?

[ashen garnet]

I am using it a lot because I tend to run RR and it's super useful to breach the range-gap (magnetism range is approx half a screen and move mobs in standard attack range), move mobs attacks/positions or make stunlocks last a bit longer

idk if it's a thing though

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I'm really stuck with that too now

[ashen garnet]

Hey it's 20 free damage as long as you cancel it properly

[oblique bramble]

what counts as high heat

[pseudo kernel]

32+

[oblique bramble]

oh i thought it was 100+

[pseudo kernel]

it is

32+100

so 132 is high heat

[oblique bramble]

oooo

ok

that sounds rough

[pseudo kernel]

no its ez

[oblique bramble]

i bet at 132+ heat you instantly get the cheese

[pseudo kernel]

yeah

[oblique bramble]

the famous cheese that can be crafted with 2 milk

yes

[mossy zinc]

Our unofficial high heat leaderboard in the pins starts at 32 Heat, but there's no clear cut-off for this channel. You're free to ask for help with 16 Heat or whatever. Just if it's interfering with legit high heat strats discussion or you're asking basic questions about the game or builds, it's probably best to ask in #h1-builds-and-combat instead.

[oblique bramble]

oh an actual response and not a troll

[mossy zinc]

Most of us high heat regulars keep an eye on that channel too, anyway.

[oblique bramble]

thanks

[mossy zinc]

Well, 32+ was an answer that's more or less accurate, too.

[honest kernel]

you said 100+ and that doesnt exist so you set yourself up kinda

[mossy zinc]

Indeed.

[pseudo kernel]

yeah

i wasnt trolling

[oblique bramble]

oh there's no 100+?

[mossy zinc]

If it was 100+, only @daring hedge would be allowed in here.

[pseudo kernel]

but you decided to say "oh i thought it was 100+"

[oblique bramble]

i dont have the slightest idea of what is high or not

so 100+ didnt seem that high

sorry

[honest kernel]

you can check ingame the max is 64

[oblique bramble]

oh

you dont get more options the more you do the heat thing?

my bad

[honest kernel]

nope

[waxen relic]

there's 2 Options that might not be available after the first clear

[oblique bramble]

o

[waxen relic]

but after the Credits all should be unlocked in general

[ashen garnet]

100+ heat did exist in EA though ?

[balmy zinc]

It did! with the heat rework though it's not very useful to talk about anymore though haha

[next acorn]

How did it used to work I can’t find anything about it on google

[pseudo kernel]

im pretty sure everytime you won the heat went up by 1

[balmy zinc]

no, it was still opt-in like it is today

there were just more options and a lot more stages to different difficulty levels (like you could increment damage by 5% at a time so you could easily dump 10-20 heat into that alone)

[pseudo kernel]

oh cool

[onyx trail]

Roughly, 1 heat now = 4 or 5 heat from before. Max used to be 120, I think.

[shy plinth]

Higher than that, I think in the 160s

It was also a collectible

[daring hedge]

ah yes, ye olde heat

i don't miss it 😌

+500% enemy damage was not ok

[next acorn]

[mossy zinc]

If you ever do, you can recreate the experience with Lv.1 Guan Yu HL5.

Should equate to +567% damage if my it's-way-too-hot-here brain is working right.

In other words, you'd be taking 666.6666..% damage.

Coincidence?

[ashen garnet]

Let's simply say it is a damageless run

[mossy zinc]

That would be bad if you did no damage.

For that, you have to use Zag Sword or Gilgamesh.

Those do no damage.

None at all.

Not even a little.

[shy plinth]

:3

Gilgamesh does plenty of damage, it just also receives plenty of damage

[ashen garnet]

I was wondering if we could do pacifist runs somehow

[quartz mantle]

Traps

Although you would softlock at lernie

Unless deflects didn’t count as kills

[mossy zinc]

Does not.

[quartz mantle]

Yea thinking about it you would need deflect damage to still count as “pacifist” since you would softlock at a Barge and at Lernie otherwise

Oh and certain Styx rooms

Everything else is possible tho which sounds fun

Well

Not exactly fun

[mossy zinc]

The only Deflect move that doesn't directly damage enemies is Athena's Aid.

[quartz mantle]

You could deflect projectiles without hitting enemies

You just gotta be real careful

[mossy zinc]

The true pacifist run is Aphrodite's Aid.

You just spread love.

[quartz mantle]

Also correct me if I’m wrong but you would need to do EM4 for this

Cause deflecting the spear throw would be the only way to damage dad

Before pots

[heady olive]

how do u deflect more than hades heals

[quartz mantle]

Stygian shard pots

They’re multiplicative

[mossy zinc]

You can deflect skulls and thrusts for damage.

[ashen garnet]

That's why I did gave up on the idea

[mossy zinc]

Just spins are undeflectable.

[quartz mantle]

The deflecting the thrust deals damage?

Didn’t know that

[mossy zinc]

The double swing before the spin is deflectable, too.

[quartz mantle]

Also HL5 for optimal charms

I bet Gilga divine dash start is optimal for this

You would need to build Smoldering Aphro call for this to work

But I feel like this can work

[next acorn]

Or you could do zag fists or Arthur

Does HS increase trap damage on enemies

[pseudo kernel]

no

[true fable]

deflecting hades attacks is v respectable dmg

[autumn ginkgo]

does anyone have strats for phase 3 hades extreme meausres? i just managed to get to phase 3 finally, but the blindness and smoke and stuff is really hard to deal with

[quartz mantle]

Turn the music all the way up

I would say make sure you don't stray too far from the pillars in case he starts to fire off screen

The biggest problem with phase 3 dad to me is when you can't see him winding up an attack

like you could just be vibing and then he decides to yeet his spear at you from out of your vision and you take 90 damage

[autumn ginkgo]

so kinda skirt around the edges, and like peek him and attack him

[quartz mantle]

If he's off screen yea

You want eyes on him as long as you can but sometimes he darknesses away and you can't deal with that

in those cases you want to have some cover to hide behind

[shy plinth]

Watch retrash videos

Don't pay attention to the builds because they're total nonsense

But nobody knows Em4 like him

[quartz mantle]

^ true

[unique zephyr]

You mean brightness, right?

[quartz mantle]

No I mean the music

Unseen Ones is a banger

[unique zephyr]

It really is

Although I can’t listen to too loud music for too long

Because it’s a potential migraine trigger

[quartz mantle]

Oh that sucks

I couldn't imagine having that problem, I love loud music lol

[magic pier]

Agreed. In my experience, staying close to dad so you can always see his tells (and you're always able to exploit any windows for damage) is quite helpful. When he darknesses, I like to position myself by a pillar and jog around while I wait, smashing nearby pots. This gives me a bigger chance to spot him coming back and reduces the chances of dodging a spear throw into a pot that was out of view. It's helpful to get a sense of how long before he reappears (just repetition at whatever FO is your fancy) so that you know when to go look for him if he hasn't come to you, but watch out for being caught in the open by offscreen big lasers - move from your pillar to the other pillar to defend against this.

[bright mango]

I just dash around and only attack after he does

Always dodge perpendicular after he double spins in case he does spear chuck

[true fable]

you can always spot him reappearing

he has footsteps

[autumn ginkgo]

thanks for the help guys, i just got my first em4 clear :)

[quartz mantle]

🇬🇬

[heady fossil]

I think my weakest HH moments are against asterius with EM. My dodge timing for him is way off. Any advice?

[honest kernel]

hh?

oh high heat

dash towards and through him when he does the ground slams

make him run aganist the pillars or walls when he bullrushes

just run when he does the spin

generally dashing through him to avoid swings is good

[heady olive]

ye i do the same

[bright mango]

skirt around the edges

for like the entire fight

so when he bullrushes you can do some matador stuff and make him run into the wall

[mossy zinc]

You don't have to do that for the entire fight. But just being close-ish to either a pillar or the wall at any time is a decent rule of thumb.

If you're between two pillars or between a pillar and the wall when he charges at you, dash right through him. He'll try to do a 180° and most likely crash in the process, and if he doesn't, you'll have enough time to try again.

Make sure you exploit Theseus as an obstacle, too.

[gaunt fiber]

And shout "olé"

It helps

[bright mango]

i remember

ur 50 gy

U did ole at the asterius fight

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

[shy plinth]

Also, just to make sure - it's a lot easier to dodge asterius if you empty dash and not dash-attack

I know it's silly to clarify but I really wasn't in the habit of empty dashing for a long time and it made a big difference

[honest kernel]

bruh I had 2 epic chaos dash strikes on ap2

and died in ely

im so sad

at this point I should just take tooth into elysium

[next acorn]

what were you using

[honest kernel]

acorn

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I'd take Lucky Tooth, I think.

Depends on what else you got, I guess.

[honest kernel]

like

im more confident in heroes than crazy bp2 elysium enemies

[mossy zinc]

m not confident in either at that Heat, but at least I feel less bad dying to Theseus and Asterius than not even getting there.

[honest kernel]

and ofc

now i dont use tooth through it

pray that i dont choke heroes

ok nvm

since when can spears leap over that one huge gap room with bridges

[mossy zinc]

I feel like they gave them more range in some patch after 1.0, but maybe those moments are just rare or I was less aware of what's going on back then and didn't even notice.

[honest kernel]

yeah I died to heroes

so yeah that spear thing made me kinda mad

im gonna look at the footage

[mossy zinc]

Jumps from out of nowhere were always something that can just happen sometimes, I think.

I guess maybe some of them were like that, but I didn't even really see where they were coming from.

[honest kernel]

lmao imagine giving the spears even more range

https://youtu.be/t119q68HcDY

it looks so messed up

lmao

im coping

[heady olive]

i have never seen that before

[mossy zinc]

Here, let me help you cope.

[mossy zinc]

@drowsy berry what is this?????

How could you do this to Toffel????

[honest kernel]

🥺

thanks

anyway enough hades for today im too tilted after this

I made it to elysium twice in only a few tries thats progress

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

We should go on a Hades strike until management listens to us.

[honest kernel]

[mossy zinc]

Making it to Elysium twice at all at 55 is pretty amazing.

I feel pretty confident that I would die to Meg every single time at 55.

If I made it that far.

[honest kernel]

you did 52 I bet you can make it far too

as long as the execution is there

[mossy zinc]

Maybe. I don't have a lot of confidence in Hades recently.

Both my 51 and 52 had Epic Greatest Reflex pretty early lol.

[honest kernel]

eh a bit of luck is part of it

I cant go far without getting some good atk dmg early

[mossy zinc]

Could I dodge AP2 at 55? I guess I could.

RI2 and hell mode, I guess?

But that would mean no Dark Foresight, so that's blerg.

[honest kernel]

😔

no need to do 55 anyway

its so grindy

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I'll have to do 56 when you've done 55.

[honest kernel]

[mossy zinc]

Couldn't you just do 52?

[honest kernel]

I already did it well

it was a 5-sack so it timed out

but I did it in spirit

[mossy zinc]

m not granting you 🥇 on the High Heat Women's Leaderboard "in spirit", madam.

[honest kernel]

[celest grail]

nya i just wanted to say that I absolutely love that courtney emote

[mossy zinc]

You can tell Lady Aphrodite yourself when she's streaming.

[shy plinth]

[mossy zinc]

[celest grail]

i never see her live these days

when does she stream

[mossy zinc]

She was on vacation.

You can see her schedule here. https://www.twitch.tv/courtenberry/schedule

[mossy zinc]

Baj has shared before in the server that he has problems with gaming addiction, and he quit Hades before because of it. I don't know if his reasons this time are similar, but I'd think that's a likely explanation.

[honest kernel]

I see

[bright mango]

Baj went away again?

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

Deleted his yt

Hence runs on the leaderboard

[devout quiver]

[dense flax]

what is personal liability

[bright mango]

No invincibility shield

[narrow carbon]

Enemies like brimstones/snakestones, furies bullets, witches, etc become a lot more painful without the brief invulnerability shield

[true fable]

also uh

dad lasers

LOL

dad lasers are a death sentence

[narrow carbon]

Very true, do not tank lasers

[celest grail]

Personal liability insurance is about financial protection – for you and your family. The personal liability coverage within your homeowners policy provides coverage to pay for claims of bodily injury and property damage sustained by others for which you or covered residents of your household are legally responsible.

hope that helps!

[next acorn]

If PL existed outside of Hell Mode at what point do you think it would be worth it

[honest kernel]

Still before Approval Process.

[narrow carbon]

I think I’d still only use it at 40+ (which is what I use Hell mode for)

[unique zephyr]

40 heat and above

[honest kernel]

50 to me

[heady olive]

PL feels like HS, so id take it around the same heat level id take HS, around 45 maybe

[honest kernel]

PL gives me the most issue in tart tbh

witches and crystals ouch

[heady olive]

yea

some of the aoe attacks are annoying too since u take double dmg from them, but im not sure if this also happens without PL

[honest kernel]

I feel like you get more dmg from that because of PL but might be wrong ye

[mossy zinc]

I'd just always keep it on, pretty much.

[vital grove]

Baj 😢

I feel it though, I've had gaming OCD and addiction problems myself, years ago.

Mostly involving DotA and LOL, though. But that's done and over with.

[mossy zinc]

If he's taking care of himself, that's good for him.

[heady olive]

yea hope hes doing well

[narrow carbon]

I’m at 16/24 aspects at 40 Heat and working on sword now. Alecto is hard.

[heady olive]

i can imagine, those ares casts lol

[narrow carbon]

If you’re just trying to clear 40 Nemesis and get a natural Athena (building toward Merciful End), do you take Dash or roll for Special? I feel like rolling might not be high %

[heady olive]

unfortunately im not a sword player so cant help

i feel like if ur trying to force a build its fine to roll for it

[narrow carbon]

Got another Athena offering Special, so my Dash choice worked out 🙂

[heady olive]

wow okay thats really lucky

[narrow carbon]

Yeah, I need both - but the recommended progression is Special before Dash

[heady olive]

since special is needed to get ME right

well cant comment much on that, i havent gotten ME yet

[narrow carbon]

Yeah, and then Dash to proc Doom more easily

[heady olive]

ye

[warm dagger]

Yeah the only way to get get ME is with Special and Attack. Dash was nerfed as a prereq a while back.

Like if you have dash and attack alone or dash and special alone you will never be offered ME.

[heady olive]

mhm

[narrow carbon]

Indeed - but I’m wondering if it’s a higher % choice to take Dash first if it’s offered - instead of rolling for Special. I guess on Sword proccing Doom with Special works - I’m still thinking like my last clear with Zag fists where proccing with Dash was better

[warm dagger]

Dash is always "better" to proc Doom with but if you don't have the Duo then the concept is null and void.

[heady olive]

yea

it would be safer to roll for special, since taking dash means u are assuming that u can get 2 more athena boons

[narrow carbon]

Makes sense - I’ll do that next time. Meanwhile, got Alecto a third time in a row and deflect saved me, lol

[heady olive]

nice

[narrow carbon]

Is there an advantage to playing with headphones? Like directional sounds from enemies, etc. I tried searching Discord but didn’t find a discussion.

[honest kernel]

I think there might be for going against dad with EM4, but other than that i'm, not sure

[bright mango]

I listened to my own music while doing my 50’s so idk if it helps

Might help in em4 ad night shade said since u can’t see much and u can hear his moves

[solar maple]

directional sound helps with going fast because you can tell where enemies spawn when they are offscreen

so if the timer is very tight that can be helpful

[heady olive]

smh p2w game

[solar maple]

it's pretty minor though

[heady olive]

ah

[solar maple]

also I use audio cues to dodge some attacks, but that changes person to person

[heady olive]

usually enemies should spawn near to u anyway so its quite minor

oh

[solar maple]

and yeah most things will spawn on screen but some asphodel rooms (and a few elysium ones) have a habit of having enemies hide way off screen

[heady olive]

hmm that asphodel one has happened to me a few times

dont the enemies start in the chamber though

instead of spawning

[solar maple]

the starting spawn locations are mostly consistent per room so you tend to learn them over time

[heady olive]

hm

[solar maple]

if you want a guide on the starting enemy locations I think lili made a pretty good one

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/

[heady olive]

omg that sure is comprehensive

[solar maple]

yeah speedrunners have a good attention to detail :p

[heady olive]

yea haha

props to them

[solar maple]

I never went through the whole thing myself but if you tend to get lost in a few rooms it is a good resource

[honest kernel]

I need that for big aspho rooms thx

[halcyon flame]

i've been inactive for a while

how's baj been doing with 61 heat unseeded?

[mossy zinc]

Baj has left all Hades servers and closed his YouTube account.

[halcyon flame]

but did he at least clear it eventually?

[mossy zinc]

Nope. Not that I know of.

[heady olive]

hmm is it better to purge greater evasion or quick recovery, both common

[gaunt fiber]

quick recovery imo

[heady olive]

okay

also, when fighting hades should i use lesser call for aphro

feel like the charm effect is probably more useful than the dmg from greater call

[spice lava]

I'd say short calls if you look for survival

If you're about to take a hit from Hades, Aphro can counter it

[heady olive]

yea true

thanks u 2

hopefully i can get to hades

[gaunt fiber]

I'd go for full call

Lesser can save your life but be careful

Hades will repeat his last move

[heady olive]

oh okay

[spice lava]

Aphro is a good panic call if hades takes you by surprise: The time while he's charmed is enough to move away from his range

Depending of your gameplay it could be used for defense or offense

[heady olive]

haha 4 sack

was out of time when i entered the fight so i lost

[heady olive]

yea

[spice lava]

[heady olive]

sheesh i forgot to switch to acorn and lost to theseus and asterius

time to follow nyaanyaa's advice and start learning the boss fights

[mossy zinc]

Nyaanyaa*

[heady olive]

noted with thanks lol

[heady olive]

okay i decided to try EM4 since AP1 and RI1 were getting frustrating, and i lost at hades so im gonna use that as my practice save

with rama how do i fight hades, do i focus on hades or the miniboss summons

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[gaunt fiber]

I'd kill the summons yeah

Usually I wait for a good opportunity to powershot dad

Like after the double sweep

Don't always power shot, you will have some opportunities here and there to deal damage. You should be good with shared suffering

[mossy zinc]

Don't kill the first summon if it's Doomstone.

[gaunt fiber]

Rama has a huge damage potential, especially with the right hammers so it's no big deal if you don't exploit every opportunity at first

I've only done the fight at 45 or so but it was super dad

The aspect is really good at this fight, although double butterfly ball can be a pain

[mossy zinc]

I don't think there's one answer to whether you should focus on Hades or the summons because it depends on too many factors. Sometimes your focus should simply be evasion for awhile until you can crate a better situation to get some shots in.

And then you don't really discriminate between a good shot on Hades if it presents itself and a good shot on one or more of the summons.

Ideally, you'd hit all at once.

I guess one could also say Rama doesn't care too much which one you're targeting with your Attack, since Shared Suffering will make sure all of them take damage.

If a summon is somewhere behind a pillar and temporarily not a threat, and you're only really facing Hades at that moment, you wouldn't be doing yourself any favors engaging that summon at that moment.

[heady olive]

okay thanks

[narrow carbon]

I have 7 aspects left at 40 Heat - currently working on Zag sword and Talos. I’ve been trying Merciful End and more recently Tidal Dash start. Tidal feels more consistent and not that much slower or weaker. I’m mainly dying to Lernie (if I don’t take Tooth because I need a God - or if I mess up and lose Tooth to power couple) or Heroes (not much luck seeing Patty). The other fists were not as much trouble - tbh I don’t really know how to use the special effectively. Time hasn’t been an issue, so maybe just need to slow down in the boss fights… Okay, going to try DC2 and HL3. Hopefully this might be useful to others

[honest kernel]

I mostly used dio fists on 40 so I dont have to rely on dash special bc im also bad at using it

ME fists is also an option and I just personally didnt want to do me

I mean tidal is good room clears but its gonna be eh for bossing

[narrow carbon]

Mmm, hadn’t thought of Dio - easier to setup than Zeus + Jolted which I had tried

I got Yarn into Epic Greatest Reflex so that’ll help a lot

[honest kernel]

if you wanna go all in on dashes maybe get seastorm

good luck

[narrow carbon]

Thanks!

Success! Naturally, it’s when I have a decent build that I’m blessed with two DDs #h1-victory-boasting message

[honest kernel]

great 👍

[magic pier]

That's awesome!

[heady olive]

congrats

btw i finally EM4 hades on my practice save but it took 3:40

how long is it supposed to take

[honest kernel]

oof

I dont know actually I never run em4

[heady olive]

ah

[honest kernel]

depends on if you think you can do styx in 1:60 min

[spice lava]

Astaos said that he likes 4 min to be comfortable with Hades

[heady olive]

okay thats good then, i was worried i was taking too long

[honest kernel]

ah yeah you prob dont take td3 then

[heady olive]

that means i need to get more time before entering

if i take TD2 ill have take AP1 or RI1 which defeats the purpose of taking EM4 lol

[spice lava]

Td3 is fine for some aspects I'd say, even with EM4

[honest kernel]

guess td3 means good build so yea

gotta be fast and good luck

[heady olive]

ye just hope for a 2 sack

[spice lava]

Which aspect and heat?

[heady olive]

rama 50

[spice lava]

Okay

At least Rama isn't fragile against JS/CP and EM4 allows to improve the build with less RI/AP

[heady olive]

yea

when i learn how to clear elysium in less than 5 mins i should have enough time

[spice lava]

I tend to use earring at Aspho/Elysium to have more DPS so I can save time

Being safe with acorn or tooth doesn't matter to me if at the end TD kills me during styx/Hades

[heady olive]

oo thats interesting

but its additive right, so the actual dmg output increase wouldnt be that high

[spice lava]

It's okay

Best part of earring is that it works with doom, Zeus, hangover...

So earring during Aspho/Elysium to add some DPS then acorn/tooth during styx

[heady olive]

yea true

nevermind i give up on using EM4 im back to AP1 and RI1

i was having a good run with power shot :( each shot was like 700 dmg and then the flame wheels and chariots ended my run

its nice that hades and asterius are slow so theres enough time to charge up power shot against them

[mossy zinc]

+40% global damage is a lot.

Just because something is additive it doesn't mean it's not a lot of damage.

[heady olive]

thats true

[mossy zinc]

The base damage of Rama's Dash-Strike Power Shot is 125.

+40% is +50 damage.

[spice lava]

Earring has also the advantage to reduce the AP2 trouble a bit if your main boon is replaced by another one

[heady olive]

oo, i dont think i will go past 50 heat lol

[true fable]

additive damage doesnt mean somethings bad

just means it's not multiplicative

additive global damage is amazing

its the whole reason why eris is good

[mossy zinc]

Hyperfocus on relative increase leads to decisions like pomming Pressure Points over way better options because "+2% base and another +1% from a pom is 50% more!"

[true fable]

pomming PP can honestly be ok on some high burst builds IMO

but i get your point

[heady olive]

yea

i would still prefer to use a god keepsake for the utility, and im not taking EM4 anymore so i dont have to worry about skull earring

[mossy zinc]

You shouldn't have to worry about Skull Earring either way.

[spice lava]

Skull earring is just one possible strat, some runners still use god's keepsakes because they need precise boons during Asphodel/Elysium

[mossy zinc]

You take it when you're very confident in the run or when you're very desperate for DPS.

[gaunt fiber]

Earring all the way

I like it in Asphodel. Chances of dying are lower there than in Ely and you can save some time

Sometimes it's just the best option, given your god pool

[mossy zinc]

If you have timer issues regularly but also need survivability, I think you're better off just practicing speedruns with the aspect for a day or two.

Then you can take Owl Pendant into Asphodel for DDs and still have a decent time.

[gaunt fiber]

I'd say it's especially useful with RI2 pacts

With some flat damage like tidal doom jolted etc

The difference is huge

With RI0 you're just zooming

Of course if you're playing Rama or Hestia you won't need it

Except if you're trying some DC Hestia shenanigans 👀

[heady olive]

how do i fight the spear people in elysium with rama?

[true fable]

they have two main attacks

they'll stab at you thrice, or theyll leap

dodge the leap or bait out the stabs

tag beforehand, then charge a powershot once you've dodged

or you can just straight up outrange them since they stand still during stabs

play left <-> right rather than up and down in a room since you have more room to see them and react to them/their stabs

[gaunt fiber]

Outranging longspears can be difficult

Sometimes it feels like they have a gun

Just be careful they have some range. Speeder longspears

[heady olive]

oo

thanks for the tips

[honest kernel]

watch out for the bridge room dont get memed on like me💩

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, or pay Amir to have it removed and do all of us a favor.

[heady olive]

wow i didnt know getting pom with no boons to upgrade gives u 185 obols

thats so cool hahaha

[tidal flame]

I just realized that's Lady Luck...

[tidal flame]

Like that one guy who asked for a mod to remove Theseus and Asterius specifically?

[honest kernel]

lady luck will be on my side next time hopefully

[heady olive]

im getting memed on all the time :(

[mossy zinc]

Send Amir an angry DM every time it happens.

[spice lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/856951398049382430/unknown.png

[honest kernel]

so close

[spice lava]

On day it'll happen 👀

[pseudo kernel]

F

[spice lava]

The DC2 dream 👀

[mossy zinc]

EM3? Hmmm. When did you enter the Hades fight?

[gaunt fiber]

Go little man 👀

[spice lava]

15:38

[mossy zinc]

Take your time especially in phase 1 parts 1 and 2 where he doesn't have the skull x2 > thrust combo yet.

Phase 1 part 3 and after that, the DC2 skulls are gonna be a problem for Hestia, so you can be more aggressive because you're probably gonna take some damage anyway and want to shorten that part of the fight to not run into a situation where he's just spamming skulls and you can't keep up with them.

But before that, you should def prioritize no-hitting.

[spice lava]

skulls were actually fine with cluster rocket

my heart was just beating too fast 👀

[mossy zinc]

Yeah because you had that, but you won't always.

But even then especially, you should take your time in the fight and not rush it.

[gaunt fiber]

[mossy zinc]

I always remind myself before the fight (at high heat anyway) to just focus on a clean fight.

I've found it helps to just consciously tell myself that.

But either way, you'll get to him more often and feel more comfortable the more often you get there. Next time if he kills you, pause and back up the temp save to practice the fight under those conditions until you can beat him comfortably.

Then you won't feel as nervous when you get there in an actual run.

[iron siren]

Hey everyone, so I just lost the data an almost 100% completed file and was hoping someone had a cloud save they could share with me? I’ll be happy with anything I can get but for reference, I was about 450 hours in and the only remaining unlockable/purchasable thing was the resource director where I was a gamma cleaner. I have pictures of most of the progress if anyone is able to help. Thank you !

[waxen relic]

look here under saves: https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources

[iron siren]

Thank you! Are you able to help me interpret what I’m going through? I should have mentioned I play on switch although I am willing to g the game again on steam if it could help me in any way.
Would I be able to mod my progress back on a computer then save that and play on my switch? I know this isn’t tech support but just wondering

[waxen relic]

should be possible using the shared save feature, but ask in the tech-support first

maybe you can recover your save still

[iron siren]

I’m going off over there rn haha I should be able to get cross saves to work, it’s just about finding the right save or being able to mod a save to specific progress which may not be possible. Thanks for the resources, appreciate it

[waxen relic]

well tbh from gamma cleaner to the last rank is just a very big resource grinding for little visual benefit

[iron siren]

Trueee, it’s literally just grind, but still kinda wanted to do it and I also had my run times and everything. Not the end of the world, but idk, came this far

[waxen relic]

can always achieve new times and heat records

[iron siren]

For sure, if all else fails, that’s what happens and I’m still playing the game. I just finished a Diogenes run and now trying no hit but that’s gonna be tough. Still, nobody likes losing progress

[waxen relic]

Of course. I'm dreading the day i'll reach ~3000 runs and my save may start to hitch

[iron siren]

Damn, so sick. May that never happen to you 😔✌️

Thank you for your help ! I never thought to check the speed run page for saves but totally makes sense

[heady olive]

does something bad happen to the save if u hit 3000 runs

[waxen relic]

if you have a very high number of runs the loading times get longer and the autosave doesn't work properly anymore

as i've heard

[heady olive]

sheesh

that sucks

[mossy zinc]

m pretty sure you could reach 6k runs on an NVMe drive, and it wouldn't make a noticeable difference to loading times.

[heady olive]

oh thats good then

i wonder if theres a save editor to change the number of runs back to 0 lol

[mossy zinc]

I remember when @daring hedge encountered issues like that, he said it's probably his SSD acting up.

[heady olive]

ic

[waxen relic]

i know that @gaunt fiber tried to do a practice save at Dad and got the Witches Circle instead and i think he was at ~3000 runs. Dunno his setup though

[mossy zinc]

Probably overwrote the wrong save or something.

That's something Astaos would do.

[waxen relic]

a long time ago i thought bots would carry out all their tasks with utmost precision

i was wrong

[mossy zinc]

lol

[honest kernel]

i've had some loading issues w the game before but dunno if that was bc of runs or if I messed around with safe files

[mossy zinc]

is what my sensei in Street Fighter V calls people that are predictable and whose weaknesses you can easily exploit once you figure them out... just like a fighting game AI. That's why I call Astaos a bot.

What kind of loading issues?

[honest kernel]

either it took rly long or sprites didnt load it properly

but its been ok latley

[mossy zinc]

Hmm that sounds like an unrelated bug.

[honest kernel]

sgg tech support suggested me to run a repair on the files

yea probably

[waxen relic]

yeah i know

i have a little experience playing a sort of fighting game in a humans vs bots server

[spice lava]

I'm at ~1400 attempts on my main save and I have some lost frames like there is no point to record at 60fps because I lose too much of them

The amount of attempts may have different effects considering the pcs

[mossy zinc]

All four of my profiles together don't amount to 34MB. You're not dropping frames because of what's essentially a blip of txt that's read or written.

[solar maple]

my main save is also at ~1400 runs and I maybe notice a very slight hitching on my laptop, but it's really not too bad

[spice lava]

Same for me, it won't be that detrimental on the run itself but the record will end up "bad" as 720p60

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah. The game does not save regularly anymore

The save is just dead, I'm lucky if I get a save once in a while

Like every 3 hours

When I tried to make the save I knew it was gonna fail because the profile tempsave was 30 minutes old or something

Not to mention the hitching every time you clear a room, right before the reward appears

[honest kernel]

the game never ran that smooth for me tbh its my computer

whenever I see others stream im like wau different game

[gaunt fiber]

Well don't get over 3k attempts because it's going to get worse

[honest kernel]

🙈

I wonder if low or high frames give you some sort of advantage

my game does look a bit slower

[gaunt fiber]

It has an effect on the power couple fight but I don't recall completely

[waxen relic]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

but not much i think

[heady olive]

im not sure what to remove in tart, dio call, aphro special or epic weak effects more potent

im using rama

[gaunt fiber]

Aphro special applies weak but does not do much on Rama imo

[waxen relic]

broken resolve

won't work without the special

[heady olive]

thats true

[gaunt fiber]

But since you have a T2 it would be a waste to sell it y

[heady olive]

should i try to get an attack boon

[waxen relic]

and you never sell the aid

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah attack boons are pretty good on Rama ngl

[heady olive]

so arte keepsake?

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it's good one. Do you have a dash yet?

[heady olive]

nope i only have those boons

[honest kernel]

did you start w shackle

[heady olive]

no aphro

[gaunt fiber]

Then you can pick either the dash or the attack from arty that's pretty good

[honest kernel]

o

[heady olive]

i started with hammer heh

oki thanks for the help

[honest kernel]

yeah no atk boon is pretty cursed

[gaunt fiber]

If you find the dash first take it

[heady olive]

luckily i have +160% additional backstab dmg

[gaunt fiber]

Because heartbreak strike will be really good too

[heady olive]

yea

[true fable]

heartbreak flourish start

[mossy zinc]

Literally the best Flourish in the game.

[gaunt fiber]

Pretty good on beam bow dw

[true fable]

i dont think anything is good on beam bow tbh

from my extensive testing

[spice lava]

We need a community's review

Beam bow on next aotw

[mossy zinc]

What are you calling beam bow now? Lucifer?

[spice lava]

New aspect from a mod

[mossy zinc]

Sounds cursed.

[true fable]

its not from a mod

it's in the old game code

it was the first version of rama

[spice lava]

Oh mb

[true fable]

but it is cursed

the attack does 1 base damage

its 5 hits

each consecutive hit increases damage of the next hit by 0.6

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I felt that too

The damage is inconsistent and feels random (even with the bug fixed)

[heady olive]

i timed out in elysium

how do i hit the archers when they run around so much o.o

also, can u get athena dd with the extra dd from skelly

[honest kernel]

you can refill skelly dd

but if u take it off its gone

[heady olive]

oh i meant, if i havent used skelly dd and ive used my sd, can i get athena dd as a boon choice

[heady olive]

thats quite sad lol

[waxen relic]

you always get it as a choice as long as you have the prereq and any kind of defiance

[heady olive]

hm i dont think i was offered it though

[mossy zinc]

It's still RNG if you see it.

[heady olive]

yea thats what i thought, thanks for clarifying

[mossy zinc]

What's your any heat PB with Rama?

[heady olive]

its 50

[mossy zinc]

Not highest heat. Best IGT at any heat.

[heady olive]

oh

with rama

let me check

its probably around 19 mins

i cant tell what the fastest IGT i have is so i assume its around there

[mossy zinc]

Hmm. Hell mode safe. I'd really recommend just grinding for sub 15 or something for a bit. You'll get to practice killing things fast in a safer environment where you're allowed more mistakes. You can get more reps in more quickly, so to speak.

[heady olive]

hmm which heat set up do u recommend

FO2 JS3?

[mossy zinc]

Or you could keep on JS3 EM3 CP2 FO2 DC2 and try to just beat your PB, and then maybe get that lower.

Sub 19 first, then try to push for sub 18.

[heady olive]

my calisthenics program is 1 not 2, so ill use that instead

yea okay

wow its still 36 heat lol

[mossy zinc]

Yup.

[heady olive]

17:46:46 :D

[mossy zinc]

Nice!

[heady olive]

really lucky run though

lol

[mossy zinc]

Now make it sub 17:30 for the practice! And just keep pushing lower for a bit.

The execution should help you at higher heats.

[heady olive]

yea, that run was a dio special run so its not the same as a normal attack focused rama run

[mossy zinc]

Reference this in Tartarus to help you clear room fasters and manipulate spawns. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/tartarus-chambers-layout/

Then do the same for Asphodel and Elysium.

[heady olive]

so i should pause the game after entering the room?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's a good idea.

[heady olive]

okay thanks

[mossy zinc]

You should notice after some practice that you spend a lot less time chasing enemies in Asphodel and Elysium.

[heady olive]

is it better to sell greatest reflex or hyper sprint?

i sold greatest reflex

[honest kernel]

depends on the rarity but hyper sprint is rly pog

[heady olive]

they were both common

yea it really is

sturdy helps a lot too

[devout quiver]

what was the third thing

like, option to sell

[mossy zinc]

Greatest Reflex > Hyper Sprint.

[heady olive]

some core boon

[mossy zinc]

Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery > Greatest Reflex.

[daring hedge]

yeah, i don't think my long loads had much to do with the amount of runs i had

my primary ssd just would frequently hang up

[heady olive]

is it worth it to take ares call or should i take epic curse of vengeance instead?

dont have a call yet

[honest kernel]

ares call is better tbh

still a call

unless you think youll get another one soon

[heady olive]

alright

but ill use it more for defence since it deals like no dmg

[honest kernel]

yeah

[heady olive]

ahh im so scared

hades fight

welp i lost

[honest kernel]

😔

[gaunt fiber]

Ares call kinda cringe ngl

[heady olive]

i should do some practice save runs before i fight hades zz

i had rare rush delivery with hyper sprint and +40% movement speed

[honest kernel]

was it em4

[heady olive]

no

[gaunt fiber]

o7

[heady olive]

which is really disappointing :(

[gaunt fiber]

It can be hard still

[heady olive]

i think i end up choking at hades a lot

so practicing before that would be good

also, the right way to fight hades is to wait for his attack and attack after that right

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah be patient

[heady olive]

i try to attack before his attack and i end up taking dmg

yea

[gaunt fiber]

Wait for big openings and boom

[honest kernel]

its a hard fight

although practicing good

[gaunt fiber]

If you can't get a power shot in, no problem release and dash to safety

[heady olive]

yea

okay 6:26 asphodel nice

[heady olive]

hmm made it to hades again but now im doing practice saves first

im struggling a lot so its good i didnt start the fight right away, well thats enough hades for today

i also cant believe i forgot to lose my sd before taking the athena boon in styx so i lost out on a free dd ._.

[honest kernel]

it happens :(

[agile crane]

Really? The blade rift can do a lot of damage imo

[mossy zinc]

Ares' Aid DPS is terrible. It drops your DPS.

Easily the worst Call in the game tbh.

[gaunt fiber]

The damage is low and your movment is impaired so you can even get caught at the end of it

[honest kernel]

its rly bad yeah

but better than no call imo

panic invul is ok

[mossy zinc]

You can dash immediately, so that's fine, but you end up being in bad spots at the end of your call if you want to maximize the damage of it.

[mossy zinc]

Maybe. Having no Call can be really good for boon pools.

Call will unlock things like Boiling Point, Second Wind, etc.

[honest kernel]

in pleb na's case they got call shortly before hades I thini

but yeah

[mossy zinc]

More importantly.

@honest kernel do the Monthly Challenge.

[honest kernel]

I was reading through it!

[jaunty falcon]

But don't be too quick

[honest kernel]

I might do it tomorrow or on the weekend

[mossy zinc]

Nice.

Good luck!

[honest kernel]

I havent touched blizzard shot in a while

since early access actually

[mossy zinc]

Early Access Blizzard Shot was more fun.

Broken, but more fun.

[jaunty falcon]

What changed?

[honest kernel]

they nerfed it? ah

it did absurd dmg

[mossy zinc]

But it still deletes bosses.

[honest kernel]

nice

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah the boss damage is a huge upgrade from flood shot

[honest kernel]

I figured there must be a reason why no one runs it anymore

[mossy zinc]

Hmm I can't find it in the patch notes, but I remember they nerfed the shard damage at some point. Like, halved it, I think? I dunno, it was a big nerf but reasonable.

@daring hedge can you confirm?

[honest kernel]

np

[jaunty falcon]

I searched for mentions of blizzard shot in the patch notes channel and only found a buff in Jan 2020

[daring hedge]

Yeah it got halved

[jaunty falcon]

Strange

[daring hedge]

Was 40 per shard

Now 20

[mossy zinc]

I sometimes "clearly remember" changes from a beta or test branch that never made it into the live build lol.

They recently fixed poms on Flood Shot when you have Blizzard Shot, though.

It used to not buff the damage or not as much as it should, something like that. I didn't even know that was a thing until they fixed it lol.

@daring hedge thank you for confirming.

Now.

Do a barrel roll!

[narrow carbon]

I’m almost done 24x40 and will probably go back to trying a first 50 clear. Besides Rama and Beo, are any other aspects especially popular? Maybe a Rail?

[edgy arrow]

ye hestia

and zeus

those are the big ones

[narrow carbon]

Does Eris fall off at 50?

[edgy arrow]

yeah

it’s not the worst thing you can do, but if you’re going rail hestia is better for high heat

[narrow carbon]

Thanks!

[edgy arrow]

np

[mossy zinc]

Take a look at the Weapon Index on the leaderboard.

[shy plinth]

Eris and Hestia would be the standouts in terms of popularity

[true fable]

hmm

i dont agree with eris being worse than hestia tbh

i think people just have a much worse idea of how to play eris than hestia

[mossy zinc]

I dunno about that. There are 609 Eris runs and 33 Hestia runs on the speedrun leaderboard.

[spice lava]

Huh? Those numbers are taking all of the any heat Eris stats right? If we focus on 50 heat those numbers will decrease a lot

[edgy arrow]

^

[mossy zinc]

Yes, that's any heat. But the claim that people have a much worse idea of how to play Eris than Hestia when Eris is, in general, wildly more popular flies in the face of plausability tbh.

[edgy arrow]

i mean, eris plays very differently in high heat than anyheat for sure

[shy plinth]

I will say watching tail play eris was very different than how I play eris

[edgy arrow]

basically don’t empty dash at all with eris anyheat lol

but i still think hestia is easier for heat in general

i’m pretty bad at both tho so i could be wrong

[shy plinth]

Buff uptime not requiring precise movement makes it easier

[spice lava]

Yes, that's any heat. But the claim that people have a much worse idea of how to play Eris than Hestia when Eris is, in general, wildly more popular flies in the face of plausability tbh.
@mossy zinc yeah but the discussion started with mallory asking if Eris falls of at 50 heat so I assume Bright was talking for 50 heat

[edgy arrow]

eris for sure falls off at 50 heat

[mossy zinc]

I know he's talking about 50 Heat. Still, people know how to play Eris just fine.

[edgy arrow]

the question is whether it falls off enough that hestia is better

i think it does

[mossy zinc]

I'd agree with that. Hestia is a lot more mobile, and Eris is a bit greedy for boons.

[edgy arrow]

exactly

[next acorn]

What does he do differently

[shy plinth]

He plays it like rama

His movement is very precise, he plays it very defensively while maintaining a very high buff uptime

Normal hallmarks of tailesque play but not usually what happens with eris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZMuawkGVxw

[next acorn]

Ic

[true fable]

eris at 50 feels very different

eris is one of the three weapons to clear 60 heat, albeit seeded for first boon

i dont think its much worse than hestia, if at all

[heady olive]

yay i did it

btw, when is a good time to use companion in the hades fight? i practiced without it so i forgot to use it in the actual fight lol

[waxen relic]

mostly to remove the spawns by quickly finishing the phase with summons or just i-frames / finish last phase

or right at the start to not forget it and maybe prevent a darkness

[heady olive]

okay thanks

[solar maple]

in my opinion for 50 heat, the "big 5" are: hestia, zeus, beowulf, eris, and rama (in no particular order). I think those are pretty clearly the strongest 5 aspects, and whichever you are most comfortable with will be the "easiest" 50

[heady olive]

i thought rama was pretty strong too

[solar maple]

oh I meant to put rama in that

oops

[waxen relic]

hestia and hestia? Lul was about to say

[solar maple]

LOL

[heady olive]

hahaha

[solar maple]

ok it was 5

I just put hestia twice. maybe I should sleep

but yeah those 5 are very good. For me, the easiest of those were: beowulf > zeus > hestia ~= rama ~= eris, because I only know how to block things

[spice lava]

Beowulf player putting Hestia twice in his list

I have no top 5 because Hestia picked me up and that's it

[solar maple]

for a while all I had was beo

[true fable]

i feel fairly comfortable on all except rama n zeus

unfortunately

[solar maple]

I'm still convinced zeus is the best high heat aspect in the game

[spice lava]

You said you spent a huge amount of tries with Rama, right?

[solar maple]

rama took me quite a few tries

but then so did hestia

I suppose eris took the fewest, but I got it last

[spice lava]

I'm probably an OTP Hestia who's denying the truth

[true fable]

i spent a ton of tries on rama too

for what its worth

it was my last of the 6 weapons

nem before rama

[solar maple]

I think I got nem before rama as well

[spice lava]

I tried different aspects but found out I'm mentally comfortable with Hestia

Even with free DC2

[true fable]

LOL

[solar maple]

when I was trying 50 heat rama and 56 heat beo I definitely remember the beo runs feeling more doable

but I eventually did get a bit better at rama

there is also the confounding factor that bow is awful on kbm

at least imo

[heady olive]

oof im using kbm

its hard to hit enemies sometimes when theyre moving so fast

[honest kernel]

😔

[spice lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807672625739858000/857531433806200852/Street_Hades.png

[honest kernel]

lmao

wat

beam bow

[spice lava]

I'm looking forward to your next discoveries @true fable @solar maple

[solar maple]

beam bow best bow

[solar maple]

I recently found a scrapped bow aspect in the hades code called the beam bow, and I made a mod that enabled it again, so there are a good amount of beam bow runs and even more beam bow memes over on the speedrun discord

[heady olive]

what is this o.o

[honest kernel]

I know what beam bow is

the meme tho

[ripe crane]

This is the correct move

[gaunt fiber]

Crepes

[ripe crane]

It me

Ok see you in 3 months

[heady olive]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[sand agate]

You chose Scissors. I choose Rock.
Rock wins!

[true fable]

gdi

[gaunt fiber]

that's cheating

[sand agate]

You chose Paper. I choose Scissors.
Scissors win!

[true fable]

wtf

[sand agate]

You chose Rock. I choose Rock.
It's a tie! Please choose another.

[true fable]

ok

[next acorn]

Git gud

[sand agate]

You chose Paper. I choose Rock.
Paper wins!

[gaunt fiber]

ez

[sand agate]

You chose Paper. I choose Paper.
It's a tie! Please choose another.

[next acorn]

Paper

[sand agate]

You chose Paper. I choose Paper.
It's a tie! Please choose another.

You chose Paper. I choose Scissors.
Scissors win!

[next acorn]

Hax

[gaunt fiber]

You're defeated

[sand agate]

You chose Paper. I choose Paper.
It's a tie! Please choose another.

You chose Rock. I choose Scissors.
Rock wins!

[next acorn]

Ha

[sand agate]

You chose Scissors. I choose Paper.
Scissors win!

[next acorn]

Let’s go

[clever otter]

please dont spam bot commands outside of #bot-commands

[pseudo kernel]

Lmao

[mossy zinc]

@clever otter might wanna look into disabling that command outside of #bot-commands.

[ripe crane]

Okay let's play rock paper scissors manually then. You go first

[mossy zinc]

I win.

[pseudo kernel]

Good job

[sand agate]

You chose Rock. I choose Rock.
It's a tie! Please choose another.

You chose Scissors. I choose Rock.
Rock wins!

You chose Rock. I choose Rock.
It's a tie! Please choose another.

[bright mango]

Hacks

[mossy zinc]

alma already said not to spam bot commands outside of #bot-commands.

Boons for high heat (without conditional boons). https://i.imgur.com/Fwsmg6C.png

Assuming no RI4.

And LC4 on, which is why Nourished Soul etc. aren't on the list.

[ripe crane]

Athena dash not S+

[next acorn]

Why blood frenzy so low

Is it not good with SD

[narrow carbon]

I can finally load casts during Bull Rush with the latest patch on Switch

[next acorn]

Could you not before?

[narrow carbon]

On Beo, before, you could only load before the Bull Rush or RIGHT when the casts were about to pop out

[next acorn]

really?

I swear I was able to during

weird

[narrow carbon]

Here’s the patch that finally came to Switch https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/hades-updates/

[edgy arrow]

oh is that noticeable on switch? interesting

i remember when it rolled out on PC and no one could tell the difference lol

[narrow carbon]

Maybe I was doing it wrong but I remember trying to load casts in the courtyard and it just didn’t work like it does now

[wraith imp]

Yep. I don't get it.

[narrow carbon]

As a first boon I’d rather have an Attack or Special than a Dash

[mossy zinc]

Indeed.

You're also gonna purge Divine Dash before you purge your primary boon that deals damage.

[heady olive]

it feels so bad when u have to purge divine dash

much harder to get free dd afterwards

[hallow cave]

what differences could be made to this for an achilles spear run, in terms of value I guess?

[mossy zinc]

A tier list for Achilles specifically would look very different. This is just a general tier list. Most noticeably, all the Special boons would move down somewhere near the bottom because they don't really matter on Achilles.

Deadly Strike would be at the top.

Casts would be higher.

[hallow cave]

whats the best cast for it in high heat? I've only had the game for a week but I've put in 80 hours so please bear with me if I'm a bit dumb. I've found hunting blades works best for me generally in terms the speed of my runs but sometimes I just can't get the ares and end up messing up my run, what can I do in that instance?

I start w artemis and pick up deadly strike

[mossy zinc]

I think maybe @true fable could help you more with Achilles. I don't play the aspect all that much.

[true fable]

hunting blades is good

starting with artemis is a bit strange

just because it doesnt really want poms

at all

starting with either cast, tidal dash or lightning strike is generally best IMO

[hallow cave]

Oh alright

[true fable]

or athena cast if you really want to commit to cast start

hunting blades can be ok but it generally takes a ton to get going

[mossy zinc]

Phalanx Shot seems like the best Cast pick-up for an all-round build.

Decent base damage and Deflect.

Good synergy with both Lightning Strike and Deadly Strike.

[hallow cave]

I see, I just assumed most of the lodge casts weren't that good for achilles so I have avoided many runs w phalanx

is there anyone on yt that uploads a lot of achilles runs?

[mossy zinc]

You can look at the leaderboard in the pins for high heat Achilles runs.

[true fable]

^

the spreadsheet has the most comprehensive info for any high heat clear

for any aspect

if you cant find exactly what youre looking for you can also check the heat boards on speedrun.com but keep in mind those are optimized for speed, not necessarily for what is best for clearing

[hallow cave]

woah ok I didn't see that spreadsheet thanks

[shy plinth]

185in has amazing Achilles speedruns

For heat the best resource is the sheet indeed :)

[honest kernel]

I think going for duo casts is pretty consistent until you have to use ri and ap

so around 40-45

[shy plinth]

Also cf0 is the truth

[honest kernel]

cf0 addicts 😔

[quartz mantle]

150 for a boon is a steal you’ll never convince me otherwise

[heady olive]

it is

i feel so rich playing on cf0

its a drug

[shy plinth]

I got tartarus hunting blades with vortex yesterday thanks to sweet sweet cheap boons

[next acorn]

cf0 makes you feel free

[shy plinth]

You ever see a heart and a boon and realize hey I can buy both of these

[gaunt fiber]

sometimes you can even buy several in the same shop

[quartz mantle]

CF1 is like losing dark foresight

you lose out on 40% of potential boons hearts and poms in shops

[shy plinth]

Hades high heat channel 6 months ago - CF1 is free heat
Hades high heat channel now - CF1 is basically RI1

[next acorn]

Why is CF so common when everyone hates having to turn off Darkest Foresight though

[wintry berry]

When you turn off dark foresight, you also turn off fated persuasion and gods' legacy

[shy plinth]

CF isn't all that common any more in here at least