Well, you. 
#h1-high-heat-strategies
gaunt fiber
spice lava
You feel wannabe because 50 heat looks normal here but it's actually not. The 50 heat leaderboard only has around 20 different runners. Even if we count people that aren't on the board, that doesn't make a big number worldwide speaking. And we can say the same for 40 even if there are logically more people who did 40 than 50
Simple test: type hades 40 heat on twitter, you'll see that you won't have much answers
40 and 50 heat aren't rare here, they are on social networks
shy plinth
Yeah we're in a very curated pool
50 heat has been normalized in this channel but also half the people who chat in here are some of the best players to ever play the game
Perspective is hard to see sometimes but 32 heat is an exceptional challenge that isn't even tracked by achievement because of how difficult it is
Every player makes so many mistakes during a run, the skill involved in high heat is being aware of all of them
But since our focus is on reducing mistakes instead of celebrating the 95%+ of actions and rooms we do that are well executed, it can distort what makes a "good" player
honest kernel
50s kinda messed up ngl
gaunt fiber
I focus on whining tbh
honest kernel
only real gamers allowed here...
but yeah considering how many ppl play hades casually 40 is a big achievement!
something you can flex at parties
spice lava
I focus on whining tbh
Whining with 6% brain only Poggies
gaunt fiber
Exactly
spice lava
something you can flex at parties
Yeah, it's just that @unique zephyr can't flex here 😏
Btw Toffel, 50 heat badge with Rama soon ? 👀
honest kernel
soon hopefully 😌
true fable
toffel you saying that just reminds me of that meme
"they dont know i cleared hades the video game by supergiant games on 45 heat"
spice lava
honest kernel
oh no I was making it too
honest kernel
unique zephyr
You feel wannabe because 50 heat looks normal here but it's actually not. The 50...
I don't have a very good intuition of statistics
like it makes sense reading now but my brain didn't think that way
Good memes lmao
thanks for the memes they made my day 
mossy zinc
I don't have a very good intuition of statistics
No human does. Human intuition inherently sucks at statistics. 
shy gulch
t r u e
spice lava
And if I meme your situation @unique zephyr you feel like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807672625739858000/834878544784916480/unknown.png
but don't worry too much about that because later this is the next step: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/807735301702811688/unknown.png
so this is a kind of infinite issue 👀
unique zephyr
And that's why I love high heat
and this game
So far I'm having lots of fun, even when I do get frustrated
😄
severe schooner
mossy zinc
Well, you still might get them back later from Patroclus if you see him.
unique zephyr
I feel like I'm starting to get Rama now
Rama feels much better once you start getting better at using it
mossy zinc
Cast and Call only?
waxen relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/834889669870092308/vlcsnap-2021-04-22-22h30m11s012.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/834889681690427472/20210422223149_1.jpg Rama OP pls nerf
and dash
mossy zinc
Nice nice.
waxen relic
No Benefit from Weapon/Aspect
mossy zinc
@daring hedge, look at this. More Rama users.
gaunt fiber
so you could not witness the sea storm rama sadness with repulse shot
waxen relic
yeah quite sad or actually not
waxen relic
i wouldn't know
neat sonnet
understandable
waxen relic
but if it has the normal wallslam it should
gaunt fiber
iirc it does work
gaunt fiber
not 100% sure though
neat sonnet
I don't know the frequency of the wave but if that did work it would help keep a bit of distance
daring hedge
<@!164508146746785792>, look at this. More Rama users.
all according to plan 
mossy zinc
all according to plan <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>
Are you sure you looked close enough?
hoary pasture
loll
mossy zinc
I guess you got . . . barrel-rolled. 🐱 🔄
bright mango
🦊▶️⬇️⬅️⬆️
gaunt fiber
anything to escape gilga I see
bright mango
I could maybe do 40 all weps but nothing more than that
50 rama attempts keep dying at elysium
solar maple
tbh I wouldn't trust myself on fists or spear
bright mango
I would start with sword and make my way from there
It would be the one I die the most on
solar maple
for a streak I might go poseidon sword? idk
shy plinth
Perfect logic
I like everything about it except the dying part
Though again that is a pretty significant issue
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/834940661764587571/unknown.png at long last
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 
solar maple
amazing!
solar maple
another point for the delta gang 👀
unique zephyr
Congrats Retrash, like WOW
mossy zinc
This was seeded lol. He just said that.
unique zephyr
seeded for drunken strike mind you
Why seed for drunken strike over lightning bolt? I don't know when would be better when
oh
right
Still amazing though
north dove
lightning strik needs jolted for damage which I've been struggling to get
while drunken strike only needs poms
unique zephyr
oh right, RI and AP
bright mango
Drunken strike doesn't need anything to scale
mossy zinc
This isn't any heat, yeah. You're not getting Jolted. Also, Lightning Strike wants to continuously fire whereas Hangover still does its damage just fine in hit-and-run tactics.
neat sonnet
congrats Retrash!!!!
halcyon flame
i'm still amazed one of the first aspects to do 60 heat was beowulf
as much as i love beo don't castspects usually fall off hard at higher heat?
hearty onyx
That leaves 3 weapons at 60 Heat left?
halcyon flame
hmm today i will attempt 40 heat guan yu
hearty onyx
It's good
quartz mantle
as much as i love beo don't castspects usually fall off hard at higher heat?
castspects really don't like you taking away their boons so RI, AP, and CF all hurt them pretty badly
But the Beo heat wr doesn't even use duos and still manages to go fast because Beo moment
halcyon flame
pash flare + snow burst moment
vernal stirrup
ugh... I hate those damn homing bullets with clone witches
vernal stirrup
perks can be so overwhelming at times
I keep getting darkness rooms after darkness rooms.
honest kernel
congrats!
celest grail
I keep getting darkness rooms after darkness rooms.
What heat you playing at?
honest kernel
also tart witches just might be the #1 run early ender for high heat dw youre not alone
celest grail
Have you taken Routine Inspection from the pact? Because you shouldn't take that pact pretty much anytime below 45 heat id say
vernal stirrup
What heat you playing at?
32
Not really sure which pacts to choose. So I'm trying that nowadays.
celest grail
Look at the pinned message in this channel
it has a very good pact guide for 32 heat
@vernal stirrup
honest kernel
https://gyazo.com/bfb0493fe25fe56dc6d7b33ee466da5a So that attempt got timed out in phase 3
Waiting a minute so that I don't get yelled at by the bot for too many links
Because I threw yet ANOTHER time tonight
So, 2 times
That angle was jank
halcyon flame
i can't watch
3 and a half minutes + 2 revives into phase 3 and throwing it is too painful to watch
honest kernel
Oh the first death is here https://gyazo.com/1159723de59325a2d56708bb3107ea05
A darkness to finish it off too
honest kernel
3 and a half minutes + 2 revives into phase 3 and throwing it is too painful to ...
Into phase 2
Nonetheless, I tried my best
Gonna have to rethink my strategy or something, because that's getting awfully close too many times
north dove
60 heat eris vid is up on the spreadsheet 👀
daring hedge
heck yes
dusty bramble
mossy zinc
@honest kernel what do you think your mistake was?
vernal stirrup
<@184208480910049280>
O, hestia. Maybe I'll try it sometime in the future. I don't actually want to rush the game too much.
mossy zinc
@true fable so something that I noticed that you do wrong in those rooms.. Spreaders always shoot in a >, so let's they cover like 25% of the room, right? And then what you do is one of them shoots to the west and covers that 25% of the room, you immediately dash south to get out of the way. But then what happens is the next Spreader that was targeting you immediately shoots it's projectiles south.
And then 50% of the screen is covered in projectiles.
true fable
yeah that makes sense
probably shouldve special'ed a little more to clear stuff
my brains a lil fried
i played hades for like 10 hours straight 
mossy zinc
There's like a lot of room between projectiles, too, so when the first one shoots, you can just move there without dashing.
And then when the second one shoots in the same direction, you dash away.
true fable
mvmt is weird
mossy zinc
So those two only cover 25% of the screen instead of 50%.
true fable
kbm in that room feels like tiptoeing on eggshells
mossy zinc
It might be something that's just harder on KBM yeah I've no experience with that.
halcyon flame
shackle fun
mossy zinc
@honest kernel the first time I want to watch a video from you, your video has no sound. 
I'll watch the Demeter Aspect run instead. Eternal Rose start. It's already perfect. 💕
mossy zinc
Rama.
mossy zinc
Do you hold down Attack on Malphon, or do you press Attack for each punch?
honest kernel
I mash attack
mossy zinc
Ahhh, I figured. But you know you can hold down the button, right?
honest kernel
I didnt :(
honest kernel
also yeah ur right the vid has no audio and the recording doesnt either for some reason?
cant fix that now so oh well
mossy zinc
Maybe you accidentally muted it in OBS or something.
honest kernel
👌
my 50 runs got far today im more confident with ap1
im doing ri2 now so I dont time out anymore
it's okay...
gaunt fiber
I didnt :(
Welcome to @bronze viper 's club!
honest kernel
gaunt fiber
If you ever play Flurry Jab, know that it works the same
mossy zinc
it's okay...
I believe in you! 💕
mossy zinc
honest kernel
thanks!
gaunt fiber
Interesting
We'll have to discuss your membership then
I'll let this matter to Ledger when he wakes up
mossy zinc
ledgerdamayn didn't know you could hold down attack on Flurry Jab?
gaunt fiber
Yeah, he learnt that yesterday 
honest kernel
I didnt
gaunt fiber
to quote him
gaunt fiber
Lmao Toffel
mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
"Flurry jab runs hurt my hands"
honest kernel
totally real footage of me playing hades
and I was complaining that this game hurts my hads
oh well
gaunt fiber
you can hold down the cast input too
spice lava
My best discovery was the possibility to hold the dash button with Gilga
"Woaw it's easier"
mossy zinc
I think I very rarely do that.
honest kernel
ok I hold down cast
gaunt fiber
I only do that with flurry cast yeah
gaunt fiber
ok I hold down cast
Good. Test is over, you may go.
honest kernel
🚶♀️
ashen garnet
I didnt :(
I was in this club until some weeks ago Honestly it's good to get used to some timings 
hearty onyx
Agh, I finally got to Hades on 40 sword, then threw the attempt
I had everything I needed, plus a bit extra
bronze viper
wait but flurry jab literally says in the description to hold attack
The optimal input for damage involves dash striking twice then attacking twice, so what I was doing to "shortcut" the process and make sure my dash strikes came out as fast as possible was pressing dash + attack every single time as fast as possible. I wasn't that far off the mark but it does make it a lot easier on my hands to at least hold attack and then spam dash (though I still have to press special twice between each rotation).
bronze viper
<@!143840804899782656> did you know you can hold down Special on Rama?
Lol I do know that but I still press it twice if I want to do it twice so I don't get stuck in the animation
(a third time)
honest kernel
dam I died to hades at 50 again
😂
it was a 4sack too
im so mad
I didnt time out tho I just got rekt by a laser clipping behind a pillar
honest kernel
yeah im getting closer
in not a single run athena gave me her dash
when I get her dash I'll break the curse
distant cradle
Is eris good for 32 heat?
honest kernel
ye
spice lava
All aspects are okay at 32 heat but Eris remains smooth at 32 compared to some other aspects
solemn pulsar
FO2 is a good take if you're used to it
at high heat enemies are probably hitting harder, or you're healing less
if you're not used to FO2 you will get hit more
but eris is a weapon that handles FO2 quite easily, yes
halcyon flame
fo2 isn't a problem if you kill enemies fast enough
which is literally eris' thing
halcyon flame
but if you're really confident with fo2 then by all means go for it
yeah em3 at 32 is fine
distant cradle
Oki
solemn pulsar
yeah FO is all about what you're comfy with
if you can do FO2 successfully on a weapon without feeling like you get hit too much, run it
it's a lot of heat
halcyon flame
the only aspect i can comfortably do fo2 with is beo
i'm a filthy beo casual 😔
i mean i didn't even lose acorn on my first 40 heat run with beo
mossy zinc
That's alright. Gotta start somewhere.
honest kernel
as much as I like to meme about beo players that aspect still takes skill
mossy zinc
Back in my day, Beowulf mains had to work hard and earn every heat. 
quartz mantle
After taking a heroic Passion Flare replacement I have been converted to Ruthless Reflex Aphro Beo
honest kernel
more like seed for charged throw?
wintry berry
mossy zinc
@unique zephyr charge attack, snap to target and release when it reappears.
unique zephyr
I'll try both of those things, thanks both of you!
quartz mantle
Use Meg
unique zephyr
Damage control is rougher on Rama than I thought
I seem to get further without DC than with
quartz mantle
You gotta be specialing enemies first it helps to get rid of dc
zeus special helps too
quartz mantle
Oh for sure artemis start
zeus special is more of a gimmick than anything and you shouldn't focus too hard on it
but using your special is good for getting rid of DC
mossy zinc
Drunken Flourish start is better than Thunder Flourish.
unique zephyr
Artemis is still better than both though right?
gaunt fiber
Yeah you can pick deadly strike and hunter dash
solemn pulsar
Reposting from speedrunning discord per nyaa's request
**Call Charge
**
Aside from boons like Quick Favor and Smoldering Air, your Call charges every time you receive or deal damage, with the following formulae:
**Dealing Damage
**
The value your Call gauge is charged when you deal damage follows these steps per instance of damage on an enemy by Zagreus:
- Is damage dealt ≤ 60? If so, carry damage value forward. Otherwise, value = 60 + sqrt(damage - 60)
- The value from step 1 is multiplied by 1%, and then by 1 + Clouded Judgment bonus, if you have it. The final value is the % of the call gauge charged. This scales with the square root function, as such for example damage (no Clouded Judgment):
10 damage - 0.1% gauge
50 damage - 0.5% gauge
100 damage - 0.66% gauge
300 damage - 0.75% gauge
500 damage - 0.81% gauge
750 damage - 0.86% gauge
2000 damage - 1.04% gauge
So you can see how sharply the call charge falls off with damage past 100 per hit.
**Taking Damage
**
The base value your Call gauge is charged when you get hit is 60% * (Damage Taken / Max HP). If you had 100 HP, and you took a 100 HP hit, your call would gain 60% charge. Overkill damage counts in this case. If you had 1 HP, and took a 100 HP hit, your call would still gain 60% charge. This value is then multiplied additionally by Clouded Judgment and Boiling Point bonuses, if you have those boons. They are additive, so if you had a 40% boiling point and a 10% clouded judgment, that is a 50% multiplier, so the 100 HP hit with 100 max HP would charge your call gauge 90% from that hit.
**Additional Notes
**
- Call charge will not take place while the call is active. You can tell the call is "active" because the bar is still draining.
- Hunter's Instinct is a flat call charge per crit, as it says on the tin. There appears to be a 0.5 second cooldown on its activation, however.
mossy zinc
Ty ty. 💕
waxen relic
If i may ask for more math: ZagBow, common Deadly Strike, how much more charge (from attacking) does instinct give on average? @solemn pulsar
solemn pulsar
tough to say
crit rate is affected by enemy patterns
spawning
your personal skill, etc
waxen relic
just the written rate
solemn pulsar
there is no written rate
charge from the attack is based on damage
charge from instinct is based on crit/no crit
waxen relic
It says 15% on Zag Bow?
mossy zinc
That doesn't tell you rate of fire, though.
solemn pulsar
deadly strike with hunter's instinct will average 0.08% crit charge per shot
assuming there were no other crits in the last 0.5 seconds
mossy zinc
- Powershot window for a dash strike on the bow - 400-550 ms
solemn pulsar
which is a reasonable assumption
mossy zinc
So about 2 Dash-Strike Power Shots per second.
waxen relic
alright and base damage of Powershot and Deadly was?
solemn pulsar
50, 20% for common
but then there's other stuff
like boiling blood
do you have family favorites
backstab
etc
waxen relic
yeah yeah
solemn pulsar
but at its core
0.6% gauge per non crit power shot
0.71% gauge per crit power shot + 0.25% gauge from hunter instinct
so a crit powershot with hunter instinct will give you 0.36% more charge, over 50% more charge
than a non crit powershot
but only 0.25% more, about 33% more, over a crit powershot without hunter instinct
mossy zinc
If your Dash-Strike Power Shot timing is good, ironically, Hunter Instinct can only proc every other shot instead of every shot.
Not accounting for arrow travel time.
waxen relic
ok thanks, good to know how bad that boon is
mossy zinc
I think it's decent if you have a high rate of attack with crit chance.
Like say Malphon with Deadly Reversal and Support Fire.
Or anything with Splitting Headache.
waxen relic
aren't you running into that cd then?
mossy zinc
Sure, but you'll proc Hunter's Mark a lot and get a lot of crits that way. Splitting Headache with Hunter's Mark can get very silly.
waxen relic
fitting into a good build doesn't make it good
mossy zinc
Most passive boons in Hades aren't groundbreaking.
waxen relic
the absolute overcharge of the boon as i understand it now is 2 procs per sec, netting in 0,5% charge which is common quick favor?
mossy zinc
It can be somewhat comparable to Quick Favor depending on your build, yeah.
gaunt fiber
the thing is hunter instinct will only help weapons that are already good at build gauge anyway
mossy zinc
Which isn't bad. Supercharging your god gauge isn't wasted.
gaunt fiber
yeah that's ok but it's still the last t2 I'd take
waxen relic
@mossy moon If you have a good build you can win the game, this is on top of that and won't bring you home more often.
mossy moon
<@!700842288095690842> If you have a good build you can win the game, this is on...
oh okay
mossy zinc
@bronze viper didn't you do Rama 50 before? I remember you did 49 and were working on 50.
bronze viper
I did, I have Rama at 53 and Chiron at 51, but Zag bow was my first EM4 50 clear
That wasn't a shield*
I've done it EM4 with Beo, Zeus, and Chaos
mossy zinc
Ohhh. I missed the EM4 part. Got it.
solar maple
does hunter instinct even charge call faster than support fire?
with both at common lv 1, support fire does 10, which if I understand correctly is .1% call gauge
so if you crit on 20% of your attacks (attack, cast,special), hunter instinct charges by .25%/5 = .05% per hit
you would need overall 40% crit chance for hunter instinct to catch up on just call charging, and that's not even considering that support fire actually does damage
honest kernel
sad
mossy moon
man that's not a fair fight Support Fire is OP
solar maple
I suppose if you have huge aoe, you could get more than one crit per attack, and only 1 support fire
or just triple shot or smth
honest kernel
I never take hunters instinct anyway feels like a scam
mossy moon
true
solar maple
wait no, one attack doing multiple crits wouldn't catch up, because of HI's icd
so it's just worse lol
honest kernel
confirmed scam
solar maple
if you really want to charge call, just get blade dash or something. Then you're cruising
bronze viper
R U P T U R E
mossy zinc
@solar maple DOT ticks can also crit but wouldn't proc Support Fire.
That's a factor to consider.
You can apply DOT and run and land crits and charge god gauge that way while Support Fire would do nothing there.
solar maple
my main point is that very often, just doing more damage will charge call better. I don't even really think support fire in particular is that good
mossy zinc
It's amazing on Malphon. Actually pulls even with Lightning Strike in a lot of encounters for DPS and sometimes even ahead.
solar maple
it definitely has its applications
and on those weapons, it will pretty much always charge call faster than HI
mossy zinc
Yeah, but having both can be very nice.
I don't think Hunter Instinct is amazing in any way, but it's solid enough and has its uses. It also doesn't unlock any Duo Boons or her legendary, which is reason enough to take it over other offers in some builds.
Probably.
Can't think of one of the top of my head where you'd take it over Support Fire, but potentially.
ashen garnet
It's amazing on Malphon. Actually pulls even with Lightning Strike in a lot of e...
Lightning Strike Support Fire is my fav Malphon build
mossy zinc
Ugh, Elysium is not being kind to me. 
distant cradle
Bro I did so bad with eris
I had 20 heat going into the run
9 dd later and a 5 sack I died at hades
pseudo kernel
Rip
distant cradle
I didn't even know a 5 sack was possible
gaunt fiber
I think you have to be a cat
distant cradle
I didn't know 9 dd was possible
I lost my 3 then got pat
And bought 2 more from wells
And I had tooth when I got pat
So 3 then I got 4 from pat and Los them
And bought and lost 2 from wells
mossy zinc
And no one ever heard from @bright mango again.
bright mango
distant cradle
Bruh I finally took demeter rairty boon
With my aphro attack and arty special on chiron
And now its heroic
Saved me some poms
halcyon flame
gg
halcyon flame
it's pretty goddamn strong with heart rend and clean kill
mossy zinc
DPS is an average, anyway.
distant cradle
Oki
quartz mantle
Alright here's a question
if you have tooth
and kill yourself with hazard bomb in patty's room
with DDs
does he refill your tooth dd
solar maple
I think so? not 100% sure
shy gulch
i believe he does
quartz mantle
I don't know what to do with this knowledge, but I'm glad I have it
halcyon flame
humongous brain
shy gulch
my heart is telling me he does
honest kernel
You know the best way to find out?
honest kernel
I timed out on hades 50 again this time with td2
I had like no dmg other than explosive shot to be fair
and im terribad at using explosive
smoldering aphro aid doesnt save the run if I do no dmg 
true fable
rama?
honest kernel
yeah
honest kernel
it does feel super jank to use on rama
halcyon flame
it makes your charge time even slower i don't see how it wouldn't possibly be janky
true fable
well so for my 50 toffel if it helps
i found extra arrows to be necessary for TD3
but TD3 is also super doable if you have extra arrows
honest kernel
im not doing td3 anyway
gaunt fiber
Chamber 11 is my guess
gaunt fiber
bright forum
you have little faith
i am trying tried and true nemesis ME
my main and favorite playstyle
bright forum
im excited
idgaf if i die
this is for skelly
if i skip hammer in tart do i get it in aspho?
bc im at charon shop and i can buy it
for 200
but idk if that's worth
honest kernel
u get it later ye
bright forum
so not worth buying yeah?
gaunt fiber
if it's midshop you might find it later
celest grail
HL1 JS1 EM4 CP1 BP2 MM, UC, FO2, HS, TD2
Oh
oh
Yeah i think its safe to say you'll get past tart
bright forum
im trying to be ez
celest grail
check the pact guide in the pins if you want something that's more.. manageable down the line
bright forum
word, ty
i literally just turned random ish on to get to 32
just for skelly statue
idrc about going higher heat if im gonna be honest, but that'll probably change soon
celest grail
yeah that's where i began too
"ill do 32 on my favourite weapon and then ill stop doing heat"
"ok maybe ill do 32 on all weapons"
bright forum
LMFAO
celest grail
"wait this is fun and challenging, i should try 40 heat all weapons"
bright forum
yeah
this is calling me out
i was like
wait
i've done this same thing on diablo
celest grail
"45..?"
"50..?"
bright forum
why can't i do it here
celest grail
lol
Its a slippery slope
Til you hit 50 and realize that you suck at the game
(or atleast thats how it went for me idk)
bright forum
yeah looking at the boon related stuff and MoN take away debuff
that hurts
back 2 dying in elysium 4 me
elysium was a huge wall for awhile
now i eat it for breakfast
celest grail
ap and ri become basically necessary at 50, you have to take atleast one
bright forum
ngl dude i wrote those abbreviations looking at the list right
looking back rn
idk wtf they stand for
minus EM and FO
celest grail
Oh lol
Look at the list again, its also pinned
Took me a while to get used to them as well
bright forum
ah
yeah this is already off to a bad start
no athena in tart with ares ks, wanted to give me art instead
aspho killed me once
used athena ks in aspho, no special boon just cast (which i just had to get rid of)
onto elysium now...
damn hh is no joke
they dont wanna give me athena pepehands
just demeter and zeus kms
jk got ME now pog
damn actually died in elysium
like died died
GG
halcyon flame
tooth or acorn are very good in elysium
halcyon flame
what heat are you at?
bright forum
was trying 32 for the first time lol
halcyon flame
em4 and fo2 is nothing short of scary
halcyon flame
how long do your runs usually take?
bright forum
15-20
but ive never done high heat before
most was 16
for skelly
jumping from 16 to 32
again, for skelly
halcyon flame
if you can reliably do sub 20 then td3 is a free take
if you still only barely make it then take off js
and definitely cp as well
halcyon flame
it surely matters for bosses
bright forum
oh
gaunt fiber
You don't take CP before 45+
halcyon flame
bright forum
im trying for ME nemesis
halcyon flame
you may have to play real safe in encounters with this pact but bosses should at least be not much of a problem
bright forum
had ish luck just now
i got it but no div dash
so
yeah
imagine div dash counting as a requisite for ME
life would be so much easier
halcyon flame
i mean i heard it did at some point during early access if that makes you feel better
or worse, it doesn't really matter
bright forum
feelings moment
hm
pinned guide uses CF
but idk how i feel about CF
never tried it
actually
CF3 or FO1 i think FO1 is easier
halcyon flame
convenience fee 🤮
bright forum
imma stick w your ss
ight wish me luck
literally half awake rn trying 32 heat what am i doing lol
bronze viper
You don't take CP before 45+
Maybe YOU don't. Hell mode rise up.
halcyon flame
you don't have a normal mode file? lmaooooooo js0 cp0 supremacy
halcyon flame
ME nemesis takes doom attack first right
yeah it's just special > dash-strike x2
bronze viper
you don't have a normal mode file? lmaooooooo js0 cp0 supremacy
I do but I only touch it for speedruns.
bright forum
yeah it's just special > dash-strike x2
no ik this
but the first boon
is attack right
bright forum
word
gaunt fiber
Maybe YOU don't. Hell mode rise up.
You don't take it either, it's locked
bright forum
yummy double edge room 2
off to a good start
wow
the bm of being able to buy health from charon
and it saying
"0"
bright forum
correct
halcyon flame
well yeah that too
bright forum
lol "what have you done with the pact zagreus? this isn't even asphodel and i can barely tolerate the heat"
halcyon flame
but if you have a core boon from athena, she can offer you last stand or deathless stand
bright forum
oh
halcyon flame
if you use your dd before taking athena's boon, and take last/deathless stand, she gives you a dd
that shouldn't be an issue since ME requires that you have one or two of athena's core boons
bright forum
i was stupid and tried to reroll for special
when div dash was offered
but got none of the above
halcyon flame
yeah you should have just taken dash
halcyon flame
i'd say a fountain room is still nice with lc4 on
it's a free room, which is always nice for td3
bright forum
almost died at hydra
wow
ty ares more dmg after died
very good and cool
aaaaand it's gone bc UC
sadge
halcyon flame
you may wanna take acorn or tooth now
bright forum
acorn
halcyon flame
if you struggle with the warriors then tooth may be better but- i'm assuming you've taken acorn into elysium by this point
halcyon flame
cruel thrust is just no
halcyon flame
yeah breaching
bright forum
boss
ME isn't happening
idt it is
pepehands
curse of drowning............. interesting
no
way
just died lol
died died
fml this is actually really hard damn
the way those eyes split into 5 and then the pink ones damage you like what????????
what even is that
halcyon flame
oh yeah the poppers
you can just go for the normal ones and ignore the ones that explode
those ones just explode after a few seconds
bright forum
i see
yeah i figured it's like a double team thing
but still
so
annoying
E rated server moment can't be uncivil
instead of LC4, using FO2 and DC1 for compensation
no heals hurts
a lot
celest grail
are you using stubborn defiance
also you'll have to get used to lc4, unless you'll have a hard time clearing 32 id say
make sure you're losing your sd at the end of every room when youre below 30% hp, to restore some health for the next room
this is easier in asphodel than in other biomes since it has lava in every room to die in, but you can still use traps and enemies to die in other biomes
mossy zinc
make sure you're losing your sd at the end of every room when youre below 30% hp
Depending on your timer, you might not wanna do that. You get a feel for thresholds that you need, and it's not always 30%.
Reviving every chamber can cost quite some time.
celest grail
oh yeah true
bright mango
With HS it should be fine
celest grail
in asphodel it isnt a major time loss probably, but in elysium when you have to wait for the eggs its annoying
hearty onyx
150 pot damage!
mossy zinc
With HS it should be fine
You see people just barely timing out all the time.
honest kernel
Reviving every chamber can cost quite some time.
So I'm not the only one actually thinking that
I agreeee
sometimes enemies just dont wanna punch you and theres no fast trap kill
quartz mantle
Ok guan yu player
shy plinth
I don't play guan yu and I'm also talented at dying
Just for some reason when I play gilga I always pop my stubborn defiance without even trying
Must be a coincidence
gaunt fiber
Slugger maimed enemies feel a bit like Guan Yu
merry otter
Truly the best weapon in the game
chilly yarrow
I pulled off Guan Yu just now 32 heat
hearty onyx
I still keep dying to Hades on the sword...
I had an easier time using Guan Yu than Poseidon
true fable
figure out good times to special
dont special during his swings
do it sparingly
dont autopilot dash strikes
true fable
yah
edgy arrow
i don’t really dash strike hades at all with poseidon unless i’m speedrunning
in a heat context it’s better to play it safe unless you’re tight on the timer, and poseidon is relatively good at playing it safe
compared to other swords at any rate
hearty onyx
I didn't dash strike at all, I just kept running into his bloodstones
edgy arrow
i mean, fair
vital grove
Well done
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
mossy zinc
You've done 32, so you should know builds, no? Just do that.
Smoldering Air and Divine Dash are great.
hearty onyx
Well, if I was lucky enough once to get the 5 boons necessary to assemble Rip Current and smoldering air, I guess I can be that lucky again
bright forum
tfw got everything right on my 32 run and literally breezed through
ME hard carry sheesh
bright mango
LOL dad call as well
bright forum
dad call yos
halcyon flame
nerd
bright mango
Git rekted 8 days ago spammy
solemn pulsar
8 days ago spammy was a smaller gamer
neat sonnet
spammy 8 days ago has been barrelrolled
solemn pulsar
Oh man I forgot about the barrel rolls
rocky crescent
What is the easiest way to get 32 heat
pseudo kernel
What is the easiest way to get 32 heat
Go the the pact of punishment, add heat until it says 32
gaunt fiber
Check pinned messages, there's a guide by Schad
rocky crescent
Go the the pact of punishment, add heat until it says 32
thanks I had it at 29
devout quiver
just add EM4
pseudo kernel
just add EM4
That is horrible on 32 heat
devout quiver
no u
pseudo kernel
Ok
unique zephyr
What is the easiest way to get 32 heat
Are you used to Forced Overtime as a pact or no?
And how fast are your clears on average? Under 20 minutes? Under 28?
Are you capable of clearing under 20 minutes yet or no?
If you just want to clear and are fast enough you can use TD3, and if you get bad sack RNG or otherwise try again
TD2 lets you skip free rooms and stuff but adding jury summons makes it easier for you to die
spice lava
👀 👌
spice lava
No more 50? 😄
honest kernel
dunno....I think I had enough for now
fresh file was also something I wanted to try but it seems pretty hellish
oh yeah the rules of boonless were just like, I get to pick up the boons but not use them? like I pick up special and then dont use special until I purge it
guess unmapping buttons isnt a bad idea
unique zephyr
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/836135849623945246/unk...
Whoa nice!
I want to do 50 heat someday but still struggle with 40
Haven’t gotten 40 heat Rama yet, been trying for days now
I got to dad once and threw it, also decided to try to be fancy and wear skull earring because I had 10 seconds left after heroes, should have just worn acorn
How often do you all self review vods
hearty onyx
Never, I'm too embarrassed
unique zephyr
I need to somehow suck less at Rama
I only got Rama 32 bc hyper delivery
Does anyone ever have a period where they feel like they aren’t getting anywhere and then they overcome it
mossy zinc
oh yeah the rules of boonless were just like, I get to pick up the boons but not...
Yup! And yeah, I tend to just unmap buttons.
Does anyone ever have a period where they feel like they aren’t getting anywhere
Yes.
and then they overcome it
No.
honest kernel
okay yes boonless sucks
mossy zinc
It's honestly kinda bland lol I don't do it anymore. I like mirrorless.
agile gyro
man
mossy zinc
You can still do builds with mirrorless.
honest kernel
mirrorless seems better yeah
also yeah wehn I dont unmap muscle memory screws me over
agile gyro
i have the game in spanish so im guessing high heat is the "punish contract" thing? where you choose conditions that make the game harder?
honest kernel
like casting onto a boss instantly
honest kernel
i have the game in spanish so im guessing high heat is the "punish contract" thi...
yes
agile gyro
nice
i still dont get how that works
im very new to hades
i have only killed hades 4 times
mossy zinc
Yes and no. Pact of Punishment is what it's called in English.
agile gyro
Yes and no. Pact of Punishment is what it's called in English.
sounds much better
mossy zinc
High heat is when you raise the Heat from that very high. There's no strict cut off point, but the leaderboard starts at 32.
This is essentially the endgame channel.
honest kernel
when hermes gives me extra dashes can I just use 1 dash
agile gyro
haha nice
honest kernel
that would prob count as not benefitting
agile gyro
boonless runs sound like absolute pain
mossy zinc
For boonless? I suppose, but I would be difficult to verify because it messes with your dash cooldown.
honest kernel
when im finally happy to see dem to get all these useless boons
mossy zinc
lolol
honest kernel
nourished soul? thank you very much
agile gyro
so basically when you get a boon you cant get benefits off it...?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
agile gyro
well
in that case you ought to choose the most easily avoidable boons right
vengeance boons must suck
waxen relic
No Aspect is cooler than boonless too
mossy zinc
The good thing about boonless is that it helped us discover some strategies for high heat AP2.
long axle
y'all have any suggestions for 32+ heat runs? I did it with hestia on rail but everything else seems impossible
agile gyro
this game is great, i beat it 4 times and i have a whole lot of things to unlock yet
waxen relic
some tips for 32 in the pins
long axle
chiron eh? I never got that to work. Everyone else seems to love it though.
waxen relic
It's quite reliable
long axle
aren't you stuck while using special for too long though?
honest kernel
its prob easier if you ask about how to beat it with a specific weapon
mossy zinc
The only general tip for 32 really is practice a lot, yeah.
long axle
hestia does a lot of damage while not being vulnerable for the same time
mossy zinc
And I would say you only want two at most out of HL5 EM4 FO2.
So either HL5 FO2, HL5 EM4, or EM4 FO2, but not all three together.
At most.
long axle
I'm open to all weapons....I've done it rail...just wanna know if there's an easier/more reliable route
agile gyro
what does high heat give you????
ive been filling the heat meter or whatever the name is for a couple runs but i dont really know what it does
😅
long axle
what does high heat give you????
heat 32 unlocks a statue in the weapons room
agile gyro
:O
waxen relic
what does high heat give you????
Pain, accomplishment and up to 20 Heat (25 with Hellmode) Bounties
long axle
mostly a reason to keep playing the game coz we love it...
agile gyro
hmmm so basically hardcore tryhard stuff
i once did maximum heat just for fun and died in tartarus, didnt even make it to alecto/meg/tisiphone
long axle
ya...doesn't even give you an achievement
waxen relic
i once did maximum heat just for fun and died in tartarus, didnt even make it to...
there's actually a Challenge going on in the Pins of #h1-builds-and-combat about that
agile gyro
haha thanks
mossy zinc
ya...doesn't even give you an achievement <:shadedisgruntled:520448241490329613>
That's because they didn't want an achievement that only a very small minority of hardcore players can get.
agile gyro
..."as far as you can go"?
i thought yall tryhards could beat the game with 63 heat with no problem lol
long axle
ya but I've not even done 100% because it requires to max out all keepsakes which is more grind and less fun.....I don't understand why they'd do that
mossy zinc
lol no.
long axle
btw has anyone ever done 63 heat?
halcyon flame
64 heat has been cleared once
mossy zinc
Baj has done 64 Heat routed.
halcyon flame
routed basically means using rng manipulation to get, guess what, the stuff you want
mossy zinc
64 heat has been cleared once
That's honestly misleading if you say it like that lol.
agile gyro
routed basically means using rng manipulation to get, guess what, the stuff you ...
thats lame
halcyon flame
no it was zeus
long axle
is there a link? I'd like to check it out. that seems insane
mossy zinc
I mean some people enjoy routing, some people don't.
waxen relic
Heat WRs are in the Doc in the Pins
halcyon flame
mossy zinc
The High Heat WR unseeded is 60 by Tailesque. And yeah, the High Heat Leaderboard is pinned in this channel.
waxen relic
and a whole lot more Heat runs
halcyon flame
i'd say routed and non-routed are both legitimate clears
long axle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SOHrcKzC_g
ty
halcyon flame
baj is also working on unseeded 61 heat
he got real close two times the other day 😔 can't wait for that clear screen
edgy arrow
yeah he’s gotten close a bunch of times at that level
long axle
i know shield with zeus aspect is considered good but i never got it
edgy arrow
a while back he was working on 62, but ended up taking a break because the grind is real
agile gyro
what is the best base weapon according to the best players?
edgy arrow
he’s definitely got the skills required, it’s just the rng that’s a problem
halcyon flame
i like how heat difficulty scaling just gets real steep at high heats
edgy arrow
what is the best base weapon according to the best players?
ehh... it’s complicated
but it’s up there
for 60+ heat runs it’s probably the best
agile gyro
that is, ignoring boons builds and aspects
long axle
ya high heat is pretty much rng...no one is clearing high heat consistently
edgy arrow
below that, rama and hestia are both up there
as is beo, kinda
folks disagree on how good beo is
agile gyro
those are aspects arent they?
halcyon flame
40 heat is much harder than 32 heat, 50 heat is exponentially more difficult, 60 heat is absurd in comparison, 61 heat is inherently much harder than 60 heat because you probably have one dash instead of two at this point
agile gyro
i meant base weapons as in base aspects
i have only unlocked 4 aspects total lol
so i really dont know about them much
long axle
32 heat was so hard for me that i vowed never to do it again lmao
edgy arrow
oh yeah we generally think about aspect as opposed to weapons
since like, rama is completely different to zag bow
best zag aspect kind of depends on upgrades
agile gyro
malphon's magnet uppercut, zeus' aegis, nemesis' sword and hera's coronacht
mossy zinc
I don't even know in which context it would matter to have an opinion on base weapons without a build lol.
edgy arrow
at level 1 i’d say shield
agile gyro
huh interesting
agile gyro
I don't even know in which context it would matter to have an opinion on base we...
just curious
mossy zinc
Lv.1 is not base. That'd be Lv.0.
long axle
I don't even know in which context it would matter to have an opinion on base we...
you can just say rail hestia is good and leave them hanging
mossy zinc
That's not a base weapon, that's an aspect.
agile gyro
i honestly like coronacht over the others ngl
edgy arrow
bow pretty good
long axle
base as in just the rail? ya that'd make no sense
agile gyro
bow pretty good
ye
waxen relic
If you want a quick fresh file clear unlocking Shield is probably a good way
agile gyro
the most broken build i ever got was one i got with malphon probably
edgy arrow
quick in terms of tries lol
waxen relic
yea
edgy arrow
if you want a good time fresh file just do it in one try like a pro gamer
waxen relic
not in terms of speedrunning
mossy zinc
I suppose Zag Sword is the best because that's the fastest way to clear fresh file.
agile gyro
Dionysus standard attack, ares special attack, ares cast, athena dash iirc
with exagryph
edgy arrow
use zeus
long axle
I suppose Zag Sword is the best because that's the fastest way to clear fresh fi...
how many tries do you suppose it'd take to clear with sword?
agile gyro
had some crazy DPS
edgy arrow
also ares on spec is kind of a waste for rail
mossy zinc
The thing is that "best" in terms of potential always implies optimal play, which is irrelevant for new players.
agile gyro
yeah i agree but i didnt have much more options at the time
mossy zinc
how many tries do you suppose it'd take to clear with sword?
One if you're good.
edgy arrow
^
agile gyro
special attack on rail sucks for me anyways unless its the daedalus hammer upgrade that turns it into a missile
edgy arrow
worth noting that a fresh file clear is one of the hardest challenge runs around
comparable to like 50 heat imo
long axle
One if you're good.
Ya i can't...I've done a 3rd try clear with shield but sword just seems impossible initially
halcyon flame
comparable to like 50 heat imo
nah, probably 40 heat or somewhere within that range
halcyon flame
edgy arrow
the fact that the likes of Bright and Pseudo struggled with it says something
agile gyro
my maximum heat has been 2 so far lmaoooooooooooo
long axle
fresh file clear is just frustrating....at least with 40 heat you have more resources....
waxen relic
It's harder than most 32 mirrorless which is mostly harder than any 40 Heat
long axle
it's like chipping away at a mountain with a toothpick
halcyon flame
fresh file does have a lot of weird restrictions
mossy zinc
the fact that the likes of Bright and Pseudo struggled with it says something
They have little experience with Zag Sword and with first run. They're different challenges. You can't just directly compare them like that because you run into different problems.
halcyon flame
no hammers, no hermes, 4 gods only, etc
agile gyro
oh guys i have a question for yall since this is the only active channel around
long axle
like...you have to go ares...and just hit and run away for an hour
edgy arrow
They have little experience with Zag Sword and with first run. They're different...
ye that’s why i put “imo” after my statement because it’s an opinion
mossy zinc
Alright.
edgy arrow
idk how to compare them really
mossy zinc
Ask only the guys then, not me.
agile gyro
how many nectars do i have to give someone to get max relationship?? they seem never-ending and i have never given ambrosia to anyone
edgy arrow
just a fairly wild ballpark
halcyon flame
i probably should get around to trying out fresh file at some point
long axle
also have you guys noticed that beating the game early breaks the dialogue?
edgy arrow
a lot fewer people try fresh file than 50 so it might be easier than it seems
long axle
the whole sequence was messed up for me
halcyon flame
yeah the game kinda doesn't expect you to beat it really soon
mossy zinc
I think people don't like Zag Sword either lol.
halcyon flame
you slap daddy first try and everyone is acting like zag already knows about persephone
edgy arrow
I think people don't like Zag Sword either lol.
yeah this too lol
mossy zinc
The dialogue if you get to Hades first run is slightly different than if you get there on a later run.
agile gyro
can someone answer me pls...? 😅
edgy arrow
what was the question
long axle
a lot fewer people try fresh file than 50 so it might be easier than it seems
honestly with no time restriction, new file might be easier if you don't get butterly in ellysium
edgy arrow
oh nectar
halcyon flame
how many nectars do i have to give someone to get max relationship?? they seem n...
i think it varies?
edgy arrow
yeah it varies from character to character iirc
agile gyro
what was the question
how many nectars do you have to give someone until you can give them ambrosia
waxen relic
can someone answer me pls...? 😅
just follow your heart 💕
halcyon flame
it's probably 5-7 nectar
edgy arrow
you might be better asking in #h1-story-discussion
most of the folks here maxed relationships so long ago it’s hard to remember
agile gyro
it seems nectar is rather rare for me... havent really gotten that much
mossy zinc
Yeah, you're asking players who maxed out near everything long ago lol.
agile gyro
you might be better asking in <#521035166471159828>
thank you
long axle
how many nectars do i have to give someone to get max relationship?? they seem n...
stalk them till they budge....great irl tips by supergiant
agile gyro
BRUH
long axle
I'm not the dev, don't blame me
halcyon flame
yeah i maxed out my relationships a while ago
don't go trying to ask me about it lol
agile gyro
that sounds like a lot of farming ngl xD
halcyon flame
nectar is really not that hard to come by
agile gyro
its so rare for me i go for it every time i can
halcyon flame
just make sure to pick up any gemstones and keys you come across
agile gyro
no matter the other options
mossy zinc
Like, my opinion on base weapons rather than "this base weapon is better than that base weapon" would probably be "oh god this is awful gotta grind some speedruns rq to get this to Lv.5."
edgy arrow
if you’re short on nectar early on try checking the prophecies