Agreed, not really the source of dmg haha still usefull
#h1-high-heat-strategies
long flax
mossy zinc
True Shot has no AOE. You're not starting with the Adamant Arrowhead if you want DPS.
True Shot was meta in like.. Nighty Night? Before Nighty Night? Around then.
shy plinth
Feels like right now people are phalanxing
And lightning phalanx is speedrun meta now
What a world
mossy zinc
But that was when Double Shot (now Mirage Shot) was a Lady Artemis t2, Fully Loaded was easier to get and gave +3 ammo, and Master Chaos had a much smaller pool, so getting +1 ammo or +% Cast damage from them was a whole lot more reliable.
shy plinth
mossy zinc
Hmmm. I don't even know if we have any True Shot builds at 40+ since 1.0. 
eager vortex
achilles true shot isn't that bad
long flax
achilles true shot isn't that bad
I have PTSD with spear builds
mossy zinc
Somebody probably did a run with Hunter's Flare what with how many Beowulf runs we have on the leaderboard lol.
eager vortex
I just like that it tracks and can hit shield dudes from front
long flax
Well, Beowulf can't get True Shot.
You can't? 😮 never tried hahaha glad to know someone was crazy enough to do it
mossy zinc
Her Cast is Hunter's Flare if you use Beowulf.
long flax
Ah right
Are there any Luci builds for 32+?
I suck at that weapon haha really need advice
mossy zinc
The leaderboard is pinned if you want to look at what others used.
solar maple
hm I don't think I have a huner's flare on the board
long flax
Crazy ppl! 60 heat? That's crazy!
solar maple
I've tried it a few times, and it is decent
eager vortex
where's the leaderboard btw
solar maple
I will go for a 50 with it at some point
mossy zinc
In the pins.
solar maple
2nd pin on this channel
eager vortex
oh wow I had no idea that was a leaderboard
solar maple
yep! if you record a 32+ run you can put yourself on the main board, or you can submit to winscreens only
mossy zinc
Previous death needs to be included in your video for unseeded.
Unseeded is basically the standard category.
long flax
Previous death needs to be included in your video for unseeded.
Why?
mossy zinc
To prove that the run wasn't seeded.
solar maple
seeded means you know the starting rng
this can either be used to fix a first boon
or with very careful planning even route out the rng for the whole run
such a route is how baj cleared max (64) heat
long flax
Thanks for explaining! I was not aware that was a mechanic haha
solar maple
usually mods are used to create the routes, then they are played back on an unmodified game
long flax
That does explain how some streamers get the perfect RNG runs
solar maple
haha I highly doubt streamers are routing
shy plinth
Routing is extremely fiddly
long flax
I meant seeding
shy plinth
If you don't see them pressing "give up" then they are not seeding
mossy zinc
Vast majority does unseeded.
shy plinth
Or if they're not using a mod
eager vortex
routing takes much longer than actually completing the run
solar maple
some streamers will use ello's starting boon selector for fun runs that need a specific hammer start
other than that most streamers just play unseeded
the 64 heat clear is worth a watch btw
eager vortex
oh the leaderboard includes victory screens too lol
solar maple
there is a winscreen only board as well yes
long flax
Hahaha RNGesus does not smile on me then
solar maple
something else to consider is that if you are watching on youtube they only post highlights
not all runs go that way
shy plinth
So something I've learned over the past few months pushing heat
Is it normal to want zeus on literal every build
Because all the zeus boons seem really good
solar maple
zeus is pretty good, but I wouldn't say every build
billowing is nice, he strips DC well, and has a good cast + call
shy plinth
Yeah I guess it's hard to fit zeus in on beo for example
Unless you're going for sea storm charged flight beo obv
solar maple
not quite as ubiquitous as athena but still very good
mossy zinc
Hades Aspect speedrun seems like just reset a lot lol.
mossy zinc
I only care for sub 10, anyway.
Don't worry, I have good Crush Shot mechanics.
I can do this.
solar maple
which aspect?
mossy zinc
Hades.
shy plinth
Gosh what's even the way to go there
solar maple
yeah that's a tough one
shy plinth
Flurry jab?
solar maple
can't get flurry
shy plinth
Oh no lol
solar maple
the main meta builds are ME and arty attack crit build
ME is the fastest generally
as is the case for a lot of bad aspects haha
shy plinth
ME hades spear sounds not super pleasant
solar maple
and good ones tbh
shy plinth
But yeah it does seem like the fastest way to go
solar maple
bablo got a 7:14 with ME which is the current record
shy plinth
Also bablo
This was also a fairly blessed seed
Room 1 was ares and room 2 was natural athena
Lol tartarus midshop merciful end
This run is very impressive either way but yeah that'll do it
shy plinth
Yeah'
Like it's not that he's lucky, it's that variance stabilizes over time and top times are looking for peaks
Nobody submits the valleys
Not to mention the mechanics have to be there when you find the right seed
Bablo has the mechanics
solar maple
then again, I've watched bablo streams where he breaks 3 wrs hah
true fable
serrated crit build really needs chaos dash strike
is the issue
ME is forceable to an extent
try as you might you cant force chaos dash strike boons
shy plinth
Nyaa just went smoldering lol
shy plinth
Rat zapper
true fable
yeah smoldering is good enough for sub 10
magic knoll
idk if this is the right place to ask but whats the best setup for 16 heat?
ive been using EM4, FO1 and LC1 but I'm kinda struggling to clear it
the weapon to clear I've been using most is zag sword since I think that's the best weapon for me but idk if thats a good weapon/aspect for it
gaunt fiber
Zag sword is not bad but really needs a build to shine. Some people can make it work but it's usually weaker than other aspects that have an inherent asset that makes it strong (i.e Hestia and its 150 damage bonus on reload). At 16 heat, it should not be a problem though, just play the aspect you want anyway. EM4 is a really hard fight so you have two options : turning it off for now (check pins for the "easy" pacts chart) or practice it (it will take a lot of time but it's worth it in the end).
magic knoll
ah alright then
I was using EM4 to train since normal hades fight is quite easy for me now
but I think I'll check the easy pacts chart
thanks
short sedge
Id definitely second the recommendation to turn of EM4
When trying to clear 32 heat, as soon as I swallowed my pride and turned off EM4 i cleared 32 heat the very next run
magic knoll
lmao
yea i think my biggest struggle in my runs are hades anyways so I'll attempt EM4 after I manage to clear 16 heat
short sedge
Yep i just did EM4 in a run with solely EM4 for the experience
And TD because it almost feels weird to not have a timer for me
magic knoll
i get that
hearty onyx
Yeah the first time I did 16 heat, I also took Em4, and while I did win, it was definitely by the skin of my teeth
spice lava
EM4 is a way to remove points somewhere else on the pact to make the run smoother
spice lava
But it definitely makes the end of the run harder
hearty onyx
Em4 is also a way to faceplant at the finish line
spice lava
Yeah, my point
EM4 is like gathering the best build you can to face the end
But we tend to avoid EM4 at high heat except specific aspect like Beowulf or players that are completely used to EM4
solar maple
for 16 you can avoid pretty much all of the really terrible heat
with MM, UC, TD2/3 (depending on how fast you are), EM2/3, BP1/2
you have to raise one of those 3 to the higher level to get to 16. I think all are reasonable choices
other than that you can consider CF, HL, or FO1 to fill in stuff, but I think they are harder than the other options
magic knoll
im not confident enough to go for TD2 yet lmao
magic knoll
I think 23 minutes ish is my average
magic knoll
depends on if im farming or speeding tho
magic knoll
that leaves you 5 mins to spare
ah alright then
solar maple
just be sure to go quick, and if you have to think for a while you can pause
magic knoll
I'll keep that in mind then
should be fine if I'm going zag aspect lambent plume or smth since I'll be rushing anyways lmao
short sedge
Yeah i was quite nervous about the timer when i started breaking into high heat, but honestly TD2 has never felt like a problem. As long as you dont dilly dally and pause the game when you are making decisions you should be okay. TD3 on the other hand is much more stressful.
short sedge
with MM, UC, TD2/3 (depending on how fast you are), EM2/3, BP1/2
Id argue BP2 can be kind of terrible. Sometimes you can get really nasty combos, and if you aren’t comfortable making it through elysium on 16 heat, BP2 could ruin a few runs easily
BP is easy, until its not
Thats how i think of it at least
gaunt fiber
BP is easy without FO/HL
short sedge
Usually i agree
But again, its about the nasty combos
If you aren’t prepared your run can go from totally fine to over in one room
BP1 is pretty easy all the time tho
hearty onyx
BP2 can lead to the dreaded saviour clone Numbskull room
vale bison
Who are the best high-heat players out there that I can use for reference?
solar maple
Who are the best high-heat players out there that I can use for reference?
take a look at the spreadsheet in the pins
2nd pin
vale bison
Oh, sorry for the question then
solar maple
you will find the top clears, sorted by heat, aspect and player
vale bison
Should have read the pinned messages before
solar maple
pretty much all of them will have videos attatched
vale bison
Thanks for the help!
solar maple
nah you're fine noone reads pins lol
solemn pulsar
Big mood
solar maple
also I just died to lernie on really good 40 heat pace
🙃
didn't have any exta hp so blue head 1 shot me
after I had lost SD
was going to be a ~4:15 aspho exit with charged shot and mirage
which is basically what I'm looking for for wr pace
wait no I had already gotten clipped by a wave. This was the frame before I died: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/823886941220634654/Screen_Shot_2021-03-23_at_4.52.16_AM.png
big plate bad?
big plate dangerous?
the real answer is I suck with charged shot lol
hearty onyx
Images taken right before disaster
edgy arrow
reasons charged shot is fast:
- you get to the end quick if you kill everything
- you get to the end quick if you die
solar maple
pretty sure I released it the next frame and died
edgy arrow
big oof tho
solar maple
with a good elysium + 2 sack + no dad choke that is wr
but that is still a lot to ask for
so I'm not that mad
edgy arrow
death is real in 40 heat speedruns ig
solar maple
yeah it is
and I had only purple/blue heads which makes lernie a bit scary
- I suck with charged shot haha
edgy arrow
yeah everyone complains about blue heads (rightfully) but purple heads are pretty bad as well
they won't come out of the lava to fight
cowards
solar maple
purple heads are worse for beo tbh
edgy arrow
for ages i just did the "pretend lava doesn't damage you" tech
solar maple
especially for speedruns
edgy arrow
turns out that doesn't work so well with HS
solar maple
if I wasn't speedrunning I would not have died there
but I tried to kill the last blue + purple head at the same time
and got punished
edgy arrow
but yeah that obviously doesn't work for speedruns
solar maple
especially if you are me 😦
edgy arrow
oh true yeah
sometimes i wonder how it looks to non beo players when i complain about charged shot being dangerous
are they just looking at me going "uhh, you still have a shield dude"
solar maple
lol
edgy arrow
it scary tho lol
solar maple
https://imgur.com/a/WnDxcCJ behold the choke
solar maple
that blue head juked me lol
edgy arrow
man i hate it when they dodge half your casts by going for a headslam at just the wrong moment
bright mango
man i hate it when they dodge half your casts by going for a headslam at just th...
EXACTLY
edgy arrow
if that hadn't happened earlier you would've made it
solar maple
yeah a lot of things went wrong rightt at the last second
bright mango
i whiff so many times because they headslam at the last second
solar maple
I still had SD until like 5s before I died haha
also I swear I blocked the last hit 😦
edgy arrow
yeah it must've been so close to blocking it
like one frame off or something, like you said
halcyon flame
lernie's i-frames are stupid
edgy arrow
and 4:15 out of aspho's gotta be the hard part of a beo speedrun
the backend of a run just rolls when you get the build going
not that i know anything about speedrunning
edgy arrow
that's true
solar maple
2 min elysium is not consistent even with a monster build
sometimes you just get all swordsmen and no free rooms and it takes over 3 mins
edgy arrow
that makes sense
solar maple
but charged shot does speed it up a ton
I also messed up my dash
I tried to dash behind the blue head
so I could block the bite
edgy arrow
really close for sure
oh lol my zeus run was verified
i'm technically the 5th best zeus speedrunner in the world lmao
i regret nothing
edgy arrow
don't tell anyone its out of 6 haha
hearty onyx
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates Lernie's I-frames
halcyon flame
if only the lernie skip didn't crash the game 😔
edgy arrow
lol
the trouble is that it does so much damage when used correctly, so when it inevitably ends up on the opposite side of the map to all the enemies i just feel stupid
hearty onyx
Even if you're not good at it you'll have a good time learning
edgy arrow
yeah
which is more than i can say for some other "fun" weapons
cough gilgamesh cough
mossy zinc
Zeus Aspect was a sub 9 first try for me when all I wanted was sub 10.
And I only have 9 runs with the aspect.
honest kernel
this is why bow is supreme
edgy arrow
usually this is where i claim beo is actually supreme, but you're kinda right
honest kernel
mossy zinc
She would have hit.
honest kernel
yes but the waste :(
mossy zinc
Why do I feel stared at. 
edgy arrow
pro speed tech: the first five rooms are faster if you meg each one
honest kernel
I 
that anyway because I'm pretty sure the crystals are supposed to move around when you go out of their range
bright mango
Ok so I decided to test my em4 plan to finish my 40 fists. Made it to 3rd phase on 2 helth
Pots happened
edgy arrow
EM4 more like EMaasdhfjakshfjdskalgjfhafdkls
shy plinth
EM4, more like... please no more
hearty onyx
Taking EM4 is like taking a scenic route that ends in an Iron Man Triathlon
shy gulch
a disciple of retrash
looking forward to seeing ataino clear 55 heat zag sword with dash nova in like 3 months
edgy arrow
remember to use thunder flourish
bright mango
Just started an eris 50 run and got to styx first try👀
Now I gotta worry about super dad
It ain’t looking good
edgy arrow
superdad rough with eris
bright mango
5 min on the timer going into styx
bright mango
I don’t have HS on
icy acorn
i dare you
how is it a dare if i already do it
edgy arrow
the dare was 55 heat zag sword with dash nova
edgy arrow
same
icy acorn
i just like em4
edgy arrow
basically no one is that good haha
icy acorn
knowing i'll get to hear "the unseen ones" gives me enough energy to win
edgy arrow
yeah i like EM4 as well, its just really difficult with other pacts enabled
super fun fight tho
yeah unseen ones is fire
edgy arrow
^^^
icy acorn
i don't mind frankly
or maybe i just haven't had that happen to me a lot
i've learned to play it safe and always stay the frick away from him when ranged
on melee i just suicide bomb
bright mango
2 min going into super dad
halcyon flame
just beat him in 2 minutes
edgy arrow
not a lot of time
icy acorn
it can't kill you, just don't get hit and stay at 1hp smh
halcyon flame
no struggle
edgy arrow
honestly it only took you one try to get to hades, so you're doing well any way you put it
but yeah i don't think 2min superdad with CP2 is physically possible without a crazy build
also, just to be clear, this is a challenge thing right?
icy acorn
i mean he doesn't have to do it in 2 minutes >w>
edgy arrow
there's definitely easier pacts than that
edgy arrow
i mean he doesn't have to do it in 2 minutes >w>
check the timer
icy acorn
you don't insta die in 2 minutes
edgy arrow
you die pretty fast lol
icy acorn
can TD kill you or can it only bring you down to 1hp?
honest kernel
it kils
edgy arrow
yeah it kills you
icy acorn
blasted doomstone
edgy arrow
i'd consider taking HS and dropping a level of CP honestly
icy acorn
yey
bright mango
Trying chiron now
edgy arrow
i mean
with JS2 CP2 TD3 EM4 you're still grinding
its just now its for good room rng/2 sack
no DF feels bad tho, so like, do it
retrash mentality
edgy arrow
he scared of pots i assume
bright mango
Yes
edgy arrow
i'd be more scared of CP2 personally
bright mango
Very scared
edgy arrow
its sooo good
i've been taking a break from high heat, but i'll prolly get back into it soon
and RI is gonna hurt my soul
bronze viper
Lol, yeah, not completely
mossy zinc
can't no hit :(
You can with Divine Protection.
icy acorn
?
mossy zinc
Divine Protection keeps you alive through TD damage.
So you can no-hit if you have Divine Protection, but if you lose it, you'll die.
shy gulch
okay that's hyperbole, but also not completely
as someone who almost timed out on TD2 with chiron on a 2 sack
i agree.
mossy zinc
TD3 Chiron is fine.
mossy zinc
Just get, like, Heroic Heartbreak Strike, Heroic Battle Rage, Tidal Dash, Smoldering Air, Twin Shot, and Rush Delivery + Hyper Sprint.
That's how I got sub 10. Wasn't even hard. 
Oh, and a Strike or Lunge from Master Chaos.
mossy zinc
Either will be fine, it's a flexible build.
tropic stream
bruh
i was on a really good run
like insane rng
doing aphrodite hera and i got both artemis AND poseidon in TARTARUS
then fo2 double damage witches
mossy zinc
If it's secret, how would you know it isn't?
tropic stream
5 health
mossy zinc
Ugh, why is Lucifer so bad.
halcyon flame
it do be like that 😔
distant sequoia
If it's secret, how would you know it isn't?
because its impossible to do with the zag sword
tropic stream
the rng wasliterally perfect
mossy zinc
It should be called the aspect of garbage.
mossy zinc
Lucifer.
mossy zinc
You know what's fun?
mossy zinc
Chamber 5 Smoldering Air fountain into Chaos Gate into Sweet Surrender into survival chamber is fun.
@true fable no and yes.
See? Alecto knows what's up. https://imgur.com/a/ESjSpxf
She also thinks the aspect is trash.
halcyon flame
hera moment
tropic stream
and i also have good UC fodder
please say that the well doesn't screw me over
YES
god run
god run
honest kernel
@mossy zinc how exactly do you rule how runs get verified for unseeded bc I need to know
basicially I never do long session and often record in chunks
shy plinth
I don't think we verify but the expectation is that you show death and then a full run after
Non-segmented etc
honest kernel
yeah but like
I just did runs and recorded them and died, took a break
and now I continue I could just use my recent death
but you could make an argument that its from a diff recording and I could use it for cheating
shy plinth
Yeah I think ideally it's a continuous segment that shows a death at the start
Allowing segmented videos opens the door to tomfoolery
honest kernel
some of my runs are segmented in general but it matters less in the middle of a run I guess
bc I usually take breaks in the transition rooms
mossy zinc
Split recordings aren't legal for the leaderboards—both unseeded and seeded. That's because it's possible to use your temp save to replay any chamber as much as you like.
daring hedge
You could always pause the game during those breaks and speed up the pauses in editing later
mossy zinc
Or do like me and not speed up the pauses.
mossy zinc
The runs on the leaderboard are community-verified. Meaning, we rely on the community to find cheat attempts.
We don't watch every single run that's submitted.
vital grove
She'll sniff you out, she will.
honest kernel
some days I'll start a run but end up feeling too ill to keep it going and leave it for a day or so
so yeah
mossy zinc
It's far more practical and probably just as accurate, anyway.
vital grove
If you intend to cheat she will break your heart.
honest kernel
I dont think any of the ones I submitted rn are split recordings so its good anyway
given that you can submit runs with just victory screen I guess recording doesnt matter that much
mossy zinc
Hmmm.
Well, the Victory Screen Only tab is a kind of "Honorable Mentions" for runs that aren't legal for the leaderboard. That's a good point, though, a split run would also fall into that.
honest kernel
I can submit the ones I had to split as winscreen only then
mossy zinc
@shy plinth how difficult would it be to add like a checkbox that lets Toffel submit her runs to "Victory Screens Only" with a split recording?
Can you do that?
Or I guess, an alternative would be linking your video in the Notes.
honest kernel
yeah that works out
daring hedge
we definitely trust your split runs are legit, but we've been burned before with duckterror lying about their 46 heat nem run
so we gotta enforce the rule
honest kernel
I'm trying my best to record in one go anyway its just not always possible and I'll have to leave the game for a while like I said
so im gonna give the special treatment to the split ones
mossy zinc
I'd bend the rules for the leaderboard just for you 💕, but I think some people may not want me to be in charge of the leaderboards anymore if I do that.
bronze viper
Lol, it's a step better than me just abandoning my stream in the middle of a run and forgetting I did that an hour later
mossy zinc
Of course if you help me fight them off, we can do that and you can be on the leaderboard.
🔫
honest kernel
its alright im just gonna put it in the notes
I don't think I need to change my recent runs bc I'm pretty sure they were all done in one recording
mossy zinc
We have one exception currently for split recordings, in a sense, and that is the Chinese version has a bug in Patroclus's room. Touch of Styx Dark isn't offered, so they have to quit the game, change the language to English, take Touch of Styx Dark, and start the game again in Chinese. We allow that on the leaderboard (or they can fix the bug manually and we allow that mod, too).
honest kernel
so im gonna do it for the future like....the one im gonna submit today
quartz mantle
What's the last aspect?
mossy zinc
Zag Sword.
honest kernel
oof
honest kernel
good job 👌
mossy zinc
I always save it for last.
Thank you! 💕
Just because it's like his signature weapon.
bronze viper
I think Retrash has proven something in the neighborhood of that Zag sword is better than we think and Retrash is better than we think because he can consistently do 50 on Zag sword.
halcyon flame
that's just retrash being retrash
solemn pulsar
how many out of 24 had smoldering air
true fable
zag sword should be easy enough
mossy zinc
Yeah.
true fable
congratulations on making love beam fast
halcyon flame
world splitter heartbreak strike actually does solid damage though
mossy zinc
Chamber 5 Smoldering Air may have helped a little bit.
true fable
lol
mossy zinc
World Splitter also has a paper-thin hitbox.
Unless they buffed it since the last time I picked it.
true fable
ch0pper
mossy zinc
Which was, like, a year ago?
I just saw my second message in this server that wasn't a bot command: #h1-builds-and-combat message
And my most recent message in #h1-victory-boasting: #h1-victory-boasting message
Nice to see my growth as a person.
patent isle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823982278748274737/H...
what made you choose aphro attack over zeus or a similar one?
daring hedge
lol
mossy zinc
I don't understand the question.
solemn pulsar
what made you choose aphro attack over zeus or a similar one?
nyaa always takes an aphrodite boon first
patent isle
o
patent isle
i thought on weapons like lucifer that apply attacks a lot, a zeus attack or smth is useful
since they dont have high base damage but a lot of small hits
mossy zinc
The single-target damage with Heartbreak Strike is actually very good.
patent isle
oh nice
solemn pulsar
i'd rather have the heartbreak flourish, since the base beam damage isn't bad
and those bombs are biiig
you really want triple bomb then
mossy zinc
I think it's a slow start focusing on Special first, though, with all those trash mobs in Tartarus.
daring hedge
i made that mistake with high heat luci for a couple runs lol
mossy zinc
Mostly she just offered an Epic Heartbreak Strike and no Crush Shot, so I figured sure, Lady Aphrodite knows best, so I followed my heart. 💕
daring hedge
"ah yes time to get deadly flourish first. wait this is terrible nevermind"
mossy zinc
And her guidance.
halcyon flame
they say "it b like that sometimes"
mossy zinc
I didn't see one in like 15 runs the other day. I feel you.
halcyon flame
but lately it b like that all the time
gaunt fiber
Got a lot better on Chiron
Best attempt was the first one somehow, thunder flourish made it to phased Theseus
daring hedge
i didn't get a single 2sack on my chiron runs last night while running TD3
switched to TD2 and instantly got 2sack
daring hedge
nah but going fast with chiron at 50+ is not really that consistent, and these were literally 4/5sacks
half heart
Changing 1st dmg buffer and removing JS in favour for DC definitely made run easier 🙂
Was hoping for spliting bolt, but I never got skills for it, but Athena legendary boon was a big help too
honest kernel
nice 👌
😎 ok first sword win
wierdly enough I kept dying to the furies
they felt super hard w a slow weapon
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 💕
half heart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/823997984835502130/unk...
Nice! BTW for furies just make sure you have aura near them and some life, then things will go well
honest kernel
thanks! 
honest kernel
fists....🥶
half heart
Some people prefer different weapons 🙂
true fable
dante fwiw dark foresight is usually run over olympian favor
half heart
Hmm... why is that?
tidal flame
Some people prefer different weapons 🙂
Ik, my bow playtime fat exceed anything else also
honest kernel
also more health pom and money its very powerful
true fable
^
half heart
How the skill which increases the chance for hammer and such gives better boons?
tidal flame
Yeah, DF pre release is lul
DF post release is omega chad
true fable
dark foresight basically guarantees you never see keys/darkness/nectar/gems after tartarus
assuming no chaos/story
tidal flame
That said I would take favor if I'm running Arthur or Hestia tbh
But others have DF takes the cake
daring hedge
even for aspects that don't need that many boons, DF is still way better imo
true fable
^
daring hedge
yeah what bright said
tidal flame
True, but personal preference
half heart
But DF isn't actually gives more chance for hammer, boons etc?
Wiki: Each rank gives you +2% greater chance for Gold Laurel rewards (Boons, Hammers, Obol and Poms).
tidal flame
I hate carrying a common main boon
true fable
what is your question?
dante?
so it's a 2% greater chance for gold laurel per rank for 10 ranks
20% total
the thing that isnt on the tooltip is that it's shifted both directions
20% more gold laurel
and 20% fewer blue laurel
effective 40% difference
tidal flame
Yup
half heart
Yeap, but I usually want more boons, not poms or hammers
true fable
it increase boons too
daring hedge
then DF is still for you
tidal flame
It's both
half heart
Hmmm... I think I may not understand laurels
true fable
boons are a gold laurel reward
half heart
👀
true fable
blue laurel rewards are keys/gems/nectar/darkness
tidal flame
That said, for completion sake also, if you are farming resources for whatever reason, stick with favor.
This is for late late game optimization
daring hedge
fair, yeah
half heart
I have basically everything upgraded expect aspects, companion tools and keepsakes
true fable
ive been arguing for DF for meta farming too
DF means faster runs
most of your darkness comes from troves/bosses anyway
half heart
True
daring hedge
nectar or keys
half heart
I don't basically need nectars anymore - just maybe for shopping and Boldin
true fable
fair
tidal flame
Big brain move is taking RI so you have to worry about neither
half heart
I don't feel that strong
I just want to have a lot of good boons
In this successful Eris run I got +30% dmg from increased speed epic and rush delivery rare
Helped a lot with tunnels and Hades
daring hedge
DF and GP is generally just a really potent combo if you're not aiming for duos or legendaries specifically
the loss of OF isn't really felt
and even then, keepsakes and eurydice can help you get a duo or legendary here and there
you still get plenty over time without legacy
gaunt fiber
But green boons
daring hedge
but purple boons
halcyon flame
gods' legacy can technically get you more purple boons
if you get exclusive access in tart
lol
daring hedge
taking legacy to eventually get exclusive access so you don't feel the absence of GP is simply too wriste big brain for me
halcyon flame
no aphrodite and athena, i don't want parting shot
gaunt fiber
And green looks way cooler than purple
icy acorn
And green looks way cooler than purple
take that back
bright mango
Purple > green
gaunt fiber
Yeah but I like the surprise part
When you gather so many boons that it looks like Christmas
icy acorn
Purple > green
mossy zinc
Pink > all.
sullen minnow
Red boonz go fasta
icy acorn
pink > all
pink > purple > all
those are my favorite colors
wait this isn't about colors this is about heat
gaunt fiber
:(
sick forum
Woo, finally finished 40 heat on all the weapons. Thanks Nyaa for the poseidon sword suggestion
icy acorn
damn nice
sick forum
It was kinda funny, tested the lightning phalanx on 35 heat and giga highrolled an easy win, then went to 40 and struggled for a while. The run that actually got it wasn't even with the duo boon, just an epic rare crop hitting the Athena Cast and Arty Crit stuff
mossy zinc
Nice.
waxen relic
I've lost at least 5 good Attack Arthur Runs at Heroes or later, but this thing? Insta-win 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/824019385005244416/20210323213516_1.jpg
gaunt fiber
oh no the cast build
waxen relic
Even with AP1
waxen relic
Fine yes, but without it i'd have Greater Recall and Mirage Shot
I saw them
Anyways, 18/24 40s done now
Maybe I'll do more Lightning Phalanx
It's cooler than ME
waxen relic
I really didn't attack much
Quick Reload at rare is pretty good
Oh wait you said ME
gaunt fiber
yup
waxen relic
My game just updated ~40 MB?
gaunt fiber
My game just updated ~40 MB?
nothing here
waxen relic
nope
gaunt fiber
Not relevant then
waxen relic
Beo loads Bloodstones during rush reliably
Trippy Flare got some Bug with Hera removed
true fable
oh good
waxen relic
Icy Flare is Winter Harvest Pre-req
true fable
both meta relevant LMAO
waxen relic
and some bugs
daring hedge
wasn't there the whole issue of icy flare for some reason not being a prereq for the normal dem T2s like killing freeze etc
is that even fixed
waxen relic
It's in the codex as prereq for Killing Freeze
waxen relic
And despite the Patchnote saying it's a pre-req for Winter Harvest it's only a pre-req for Killing Freeze and Arctic Blast in the codex
waxen relic
it does make a whole lot more sense
shy plinth
Hrm didn't get an update on EGS
half heart
I was filling call's gauge so quickly that I could spam Athena's call just like that
So I win with Hades EM4 with just one DD 😄
And yeah - with DF instead of OF on one hand I was filling strange having so much normal rarity boons, but on the other hand got much more boons and health chambers instead of keys, nectars and such
gaunt fiber
Yeah Eris is incredible at building god gauge. If you have support fire and instinct with the PP package, that's even better
half heart
There was support package
gaunt fiber
yeah I meant "have"
half heart
I don't know if you can see screenshot, because for some reason it's not showing me on this channel
half heart
I also had this strange boon which gives little more % to god gauge for each crit
half heart
Maybe later in the week I'll try hunting blades Achilles build, wonder how I'll manage on 32 heat with it 🙂
half heart
I just got artmeis cast, more crit to armored and god gauge for crits to choose and none reroll
I know, right?
Maybe if you spam so many hits like spliting bolt, Zeus attack, support fire, PP then it's working well?
half heart
I need every bit of overkill for EM4 😄
gaunt fiber
haha true
half heart
BTW what works better for Achilles spear? Shadow presence or Fiery presence?
true fable
hunters instinct is pretty hard to evaluate
one of these days someone should boot up the codex mod with a 100% PP to test it
gaunt fiber
I'd say fiery presence but I don't think it matters much on Achilles anyway
Like you zoom in
Then it's prolly bad
But backstabs, I don't know
shy plinth
I'd say that if I don't have a reason to fiery I go shadow
gaunt fiber
yeah
shy plinth
Just because of bosses
gaunt fiber
Then prolly shadow
half heart
So far for me backstabs are better for sword and fist aspects
gaunt fiber
Like for Hades and Guan Yu you clearly want to go Fiery
half heart
For bow aspects too
true fable
shadow is very good on achilles
gaunt fiber
yeah with the Arty way I can see it
half heart
I don't feel so good yet with spears overall, so I use Achilles as a cast build
gaunt fiber
Cool weapon though
unique zephyr
Still haven’t gotten sword 32 yet, but haven’t done any runs today yet
hoary pasture
What aspect
unique zephyr
Arthur
hoary pasture
glgl
unique zephyr
Not sure if that or nemesis or Poseidon is easier though
hoary pasture
I went for Arthur as my first sword 32
true fable
arthur is pretty safe yeah
half heart
If you know the dash-in-the-middle-of-animation strikes trick
half heart
I went for Arthur as my first sword 32
Same here - my first 32-heat win was with Arthur
Nem is quickier
Definitely if you get double edge upgrade from hammer
hoary pasture
I think I saw someone say Arthur doesnt mind AP1 since you dont need many boons for a solid build, so thats what i did lol, despite my hammers not being ideal it went rather well
half heart
Artemis attack is well enough, then Athena dash and you got already something solid
If you also get Aphrodite special then you can tank a lot of attacks
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/691267298253602816/823294289555095582/unknown.png pact looks kinda weird but hey if it works it works
true fable
tbh you could even run HL5 AP0 with that same boon setup
since damage reduction is multiplicative
while HL is additive
in other words HL3 and HL5 arent that different if you use aphro attack and make good use of holy ground
hoary pasture
Yea makes sense, I'm getting more comfortable with HL now, just wanted something that felt "safer" at the time of that clear
stiff aurora
it doesn't make sense to also get pressure points if you are already going crit, right?
hoary pasture
yea 40%
true fable
but hunters mark is probably more valuable
gaunt fiber
it's a bit less relevant y
true fable
so for an example with aphro, arthur, and dad swing
dad swing does 80 base on HL5
80 x 0.6x 0.7 is the total calculation for damage reduction
shy plinth
Use `` on both sides
true fable
its all good
vs HL3, which is 64 base for dad swing
reduced by the same amount
the difference is only 16*0.42 which comes out to about 6.5 dmg?
if my mental math is ok
shy plinth
Yeah it's about 6.5
6.72 specifically
Didn't realize it was that close, wow
I mostly felt hard labor in BP2 rooms
Can also be tricky to stand in consecration during like asterius whirlwind
But otherwise that makes sense
hoary pasture
Do you guys still use Skelly keepsake often for high heats?
bright mango
For em4
shy plinth
Tooth is pretty common for EM4 but I think acorn is mostly meta otherwise
bright mango
I still take acorn for em4
gaunt fiber
Acorn is too good for the regular fight
gaunt fiber
you can have some bad summons but in general it's ok
icy acorn
probably because hades deals like 100 damage for every hit so tooth is only 1 hit and acorn is 5
shy plinth
Pengy still scarred by that one spear
bright mango
Yeah
lol
I've started to memorize all of hades damage
But since I've turned em4 on, I've not gotten a single clear today
icy acorn
for me it's just 40 damage without any HL
shy plinth
EM4 hard
hoary pasture
ty
hoary pasture
I like the acorn confidence boost lol
hoary pasture
not losing hp = everything is alright
gaunt fiber
even more on Guan yu
shy plinth
There is no confidence booster greater than going into phase 2 with acorn charges left and an athena backup DD
stiff aurora
I'm never lucky with em4 adds so I like tooth more
bright mango
I take acorn no matter what normally
I almost always get hit atleast once in phase 1
So with HL5 acorn makes more sense for me
hoary pasture
I feel like people around 32 heat are better at the Hades fight meanwhile I still get hit by the dumbest stuff :c
shy gulch
mood
shy plinth
Speaking as someone who hovers at 32, lol nah
shy gulch
so many of my high heat runs have been like "ok i made it to dad, im good now" then i get bonked by 2 spins
or boiling blood
or whatever
shy plinth
Boiling blood, THEN getting bonked
bright mango
hits a bit close to home
hoary pasture
lol
gaunt fiber
I used to be like that
shy plinth
Special shout out to having him 3 quarters dead and then getting obliterated by a laser straight to the face into a single spear poke
gaunt fiber
But since I die in one hit
shy gulch
im too used to speedrunning unga bunga now
dodging? whats that
health is a RESOURCE and im gonna make the most of it
shy plinth
"Just facetank the lasers he's almost dead"
bright mango
hoary pasture
lmao
bright mango
So glad I cleared two days later
gaunt fiber
health is a RESOURCE and im gonna make the most of it
:)
shy gulch
guan yu bad.
shy gulch
no.
bright mango
Pogn't frogn't
gaunt fiber
but your speech is blasphemous
bright mango
"blasphemous"
daring hedge
astaos please be honest with yourself
bright mango
NotBright01
true fable
i made it to dad my first day back from a break on nem 50
and then died to first adds
lmao
gaunt fiber
was it EM4
gaunt fiber
oh
true fable
i died to like
true fable
dad spins and add stuff
gaunt fiber
As a great man once said
true fable
its aight im not too beat up
gaunt fiber
"just game better, lol"
true fable
true
daring hedge
are you running AP1 or 2
true fable
ive been flitting between RI0 AP2 and AP1 RI2
idk
i thought i liked being able to roll any AP2 menu
but
turns out just getting choices is also good
solemn pulsar
You mean unlikely to force an exchange
gaunt fiber
yeah
daring hedge
i might maybe lean more towards AP1 just for the fact that rolls won't help you get double edge
while AP1 might
daring hedge
lol
solemn pulsar
I can brain
gaunt fiber
lmao
bright mango
"I can brain"- Cgull 2021
patent isle
is getting an exchange bad?
gaunt fiber
In high heat it is, most of the time. The thing is you might trade a really good boon for an awful one and you actually don't earn a boon to sell.
bright mango
For example pash dash swap to divine dash
gaunt fiber
Some exchanges are really good sometimes though
bright mango
Thats pretty pog @mossy zinc
patent isle
ah ic