h1-high-heat-strategies

[honest kernel]

yeah like this one is really random I barley used special

oh well

[daring hedge]

i hope this wasn't for the monthly challenge because

eris is required 😔

[tidal flame]

What's the challenge?

[honest kernel]

Aspect: Eris
Daedalus upgrade: Hazard Bomb
Boons: Deadly Flourish
Pacts: Lasting Consequences 4
(This was just copy and pasted from it)

[shy plinth]

Yes that

[mossy zinc]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[tidal flame]

Ty love

[mossy zinc]

[honest kernel]

yeah it wasnt for the challenge ;)

I dont even have eris maxed 😔

[daring hedge]

ah ok, i just noticed deadly flourish hazard bomb with LC4 and figured maybe lol

[halcyon flame]

how long do i have to do the challenge?

[mossy zinc]

Until Google deletes the spreadsheet.

[waxen relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/822898302793547846/20210320191735_1.jpg I'm so much more familiar with the spear than with most other weapons. Did Hera too today, with thanks to Lady Aphrodite.

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

Are you sure that's your victory screen? It's RI0.

[waxen relic]

i'll get through it faster

RI3 is back on afterwards

[honest kernel]

wow hazard bomb puts you in hitstun thats awful

well I got unshakeable mettle but kept criting myself tho

run died in elysium sadly

idk how people usually build eris I just went full on meme

[mossy zinc]

Do crits stun you if you have Unshakeable Mettle?

[honest kernel]

nope but they kill me

[mossy zinc]

lol

[honest kernel]

thats a stun

[mossy zinc]

Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash is the usual build for Eris.

• Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish, ideally.

[honest kernel]

yeah I think one crit did like 32 dmg

oh yeah I guess eris would boost the cdmg on myself too

[mossy zinc]

Turns out Gilgamesh is a Call weapon. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822904210646499348/Hades_1590.png?width=745&height=419

Could have been sub 9 with a 2-sack instead of 3-sack.

[waxen relic]

You did it! Congrats

[mossy zinc]

Thanks! 💕

Could have been 6th place for Gilgamesh if I had recorded and turned off my DPS meter—and 1st place for non-ME Gilgamesh.

ellomenop's DPS meter is nice for labbing builds, though.

[solemn pulsar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/822908163892052058/arthur.png?width=1119&height=676

thumbnail moment

[mossy zinc]

lol

[tidal flame]

Nice

Though Lernie can indeed bleed on you to death

[mossy zinc]

New sword PB, too. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822919335617363999/Hades_1600.png?width=745&height=419

[honest kernel]

cant believe gilga is a speed weapon

[mossy zinc]

It's less Gilgamesh and more Smoldering Air + Splitting Bolt lol.

[mossy zinc]

Nyaanyaa: Achilles sub 10 should be easy.
Game: Did you say you want to explore all tunnels?

[shy gulch]

speedrunning moment

[mossy zinc]

Just need a 12.26 Hades fight now.

Yay for 5-sack into 4-sack.

[gaunt fiber]

Good luck

[mossy zinc]

Thanks.

[gaunt fiber]

Was it enough?

[mossy zinc]

Sadly no 12.26 Hades fight.

[gaunt fiber]

Damn.

[mossy zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822943685296914462/Hades_1612.png?width=745&height=419

[shy gulch]

was this an aphro start

[mossy zinc]

Yep!

[gaunt fiber]

A solid time

[shy gulch]

are u doing aphro start for all aspects?

[mossy zinc]

Yep!

[shy gulch]

pretty epic

good luck w 24 sub 10

[mossy zinc]

Thanks! 💕

[eager vortex]

encourages me to try to do a sub 10 run as well

my best is 15 which is sad

[mossy zinc]

Sub 15 is pretty good.

[shy gulch]

go for it! its a nice change of pace from high heat

[mossy zinc]

12/24 done.

[eager vortex]

could even turn on td3 to push myself and practice being fast

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it's a good method

[mossy zinc]

https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

That should help some. It's a good guide.

[eager vortex]

lets see

what is the wr btw

[shy gulch]

5:57 by lili

[honest kernel]

are more ppl doing speedruns than high heat? I'd guess so

[gaunt fiber]

5:57 by Imperdable Lili

[shy gulch]

speedrunning seems to be more popular i think?

[mossy zinc]

Way more popular, yeah.

[shy plinth]

Depends on your line for high heat

[eager vortex]

I think it may be less stressful and more fun

[shy plinth]

I'd bet many people push a 32 without even coming into this channel

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah definitely

[mossy zinc]

Speedrunning is much easier to get into. Even if you don't get a new PB or whatever, you still win most runs pretty easily.

[shy plinth]

But I'd bet way more people do speed over heat when they're looking for something to repeat

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah you still win at the end

[mossy zinc]

High heat you can do 20 runs a day and not win a single one.

[gaunt fiber]

Or 100. :D

Never happened to me of course

[shy gulch]

you can do this in speedrunning too, just via resetting instead :^)

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but you don't have to.

[shy plinth]

I just tried a bunch of 40s today

[shy gulch]

yeah

[shy plinth]

Only got past furies once lol

[waxen relic]

What did you add on for 40?

[mossy zinc]

Also even if you don't set any new records, you can still submit your fastest runs to the speedrun leaderboard. High Heat if you don't win, you've nothing to submit.

[shy plinth]

4 points of hard labor, CF2, and JS2

The HL part is the hard part lol

HL1 to HL5 on FO2 is a hell of a change

[waxen relic]

For sure

[shy plinth]

Just gotta learn how to get hit less is all

[gaunt fiber]

But we have a nice channel to whine even if we don't win

[shy plinth]

I unga too many bungas

[shy gulch]

having a place to whine is always great

[gaunt fiber]

Oh wait speedrunners win and whine

[mossy zinc]

I'd reconsider CF2 and JS2.

[shy gulch]

oh we absolutely do astaos

though usually we just reset and whine

[gaunt fiber]

True true

[shy plinth]

I didn't find them to be particularly punishing

I wasn't dying to timer and my builds were decent

I just got hit by furies a lot and died

[gaunt fiber]

Winning in speedruns is not the same feeling anyway

[mossy zinc]

JS2 just means you lose a lot more HP throughout Tartarus and have less time for the Furies; CF2 means you have less money for Centaur Hearts and for a strong build.

[shy plinth]

Maybe I need more HP idk, it felt like I could just play safer and be better

My boss fights aren't clean enough for HL5

[honest kernel]

yeah I guess high heat is for pro gamers only

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[shy plinth]

Currently I'm part-time gamer

Gotta earn that full time badge

[mossy zinc]

But no one pays me to play Hades.

[shy gulch]

yeah high heat was too pro for me

i had to move to stinky speed

[gaunt fiber]

But you're a pog frog

[shy gulch]

not pog enough at being good at vidoe game

i am a bad gamer

[gaunt fiber]

You could do speed and heat

[shy gulch]

god no

[gaunt fiber]

Which reminds me I should submit my 40 heat Guan Yu

[shy gulch]

i did 32 and 40 heat speedruns at one point but my brain is simply too small

id rather just focus on survival or speed, not both

[gaunt fiber]

But the fun

[shy gulch]

is it fun. is it.

[gaunt fiber]

The thrill of death

[mossy zinc]

I mean just do Eris speedruns at high heat, no need to focus on safety when everything is dead.

[shy gulch]

eh i preferred hestia, at least at 40

32 eris still dominates

[shy plinth]

Alright I'm trying a new plan at 40 heat

Get splitting bolt in asphodel

So far it's a better plan than my previous one, which was "die before you get to asphodel"

[bright mango]

I remember tailesque telling me that eris is free at 40 with splitting

[shy plinth]

I got to phase 2 of dad which I'll consider an accomplishment

[bright mango]

I also remember telling nyaanyaa that I wouldn’t be able to do 40 heat, so take that past me

Get got

[shy plinth]

Now you've done 40+10!

[bright mango]

!!!

Yeee

[mossy zinc]

50 isn't 40.

[shy gulch]

^this is true

they are not the same number, actually

[bright mango]

Oh

Oops

[gaunt fiber]

thanks pog frog

[shy gulch]

np

glad to help

[shy plinth]

https://i.imgur.com/zJsW6Pf.gif

I double checked

They're off by about 10

[bright mango]

Thanks for enlightening us pog

[gaunt fiber]

Mr Hat with the proof

[bright mango]

Oh god

[shy plinth]

I had to see for myself

[bright mango]

Nooo

[gaunt fiber]

We're gonna get far I tell you

[mossy zinc]

That's why he does all the spreadsheeting. I didn't know it was off by 10. I thought it was more.

Certainly doesn't feel like 10.

[shy plinth]

There's always a numbers guy

[bronze viper]

ngl, seeing this out of context. Trippy af

"wtf why is there a calculator in discord"

[bright mango]

Lmao

[shy plinth]

It's to do math

[bronze viper]

Seems so obv now

[shy plinth]

Also the crazy part is

If you put enough calculators together

You have hades

[bronze viper]

BOOM

We did it.

[shy plinth]

Video games are just calculators all the way down

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[gaunt fiber]

why do the calculators try to hurt me

[mossy zinc]

Like, what's 25 - 150?

A dead @gaunt fiber.

[gaunt fiber]

6 dead Astaos?

[bronze viper]

Need a gif of Astaos trying to apply a Weak debuff to the vague concept of infinity

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

would be fun

getting at melee range to apply weak on Asterius

[bright mango]

Calculator good

[gaunt fiber]

Tanking the charge for the weak value

dying anyway

[dire steppe]

How do i do 32 heat. I only know how to do 33

[gaunt fiber]

Mr hat has a calculator he can help

[dire steppe]

That’s ridiculous

[honest kernel]

-1 heat

[bright mango]

^^^

[bronze viper]

My favorite is seeing the #math happen in real time, living at 1 life because you #planned-dat, then walking into a spike with 0 pressure whatsoever There Is No Escape

[dire steppe]

I actually did 33 heat instead of 32 because taking HL4 felt wrong

[bronze viper]

The Retrash life. He wonders why people keep saying max heat is 64. Isn't it 60?

[dire steppe]

I thought max heat was 62

After all you have to take HL4 and JS2

[bronze viper]

We'll never know, he's still at work

[dire steppe]

#1 amazon bottlepisser

[mossy zinc]

It's a function of git_gud * luck. If either of those are zero, you won't make it.

Unless you play Eris.

[dire steppe]

git diff

[bronze viper]

Eris' git_gud/luck graph on a heat by heat axis is like a roller coaster.

"Woooo, this is so easy, I love this!.............. oh god oh god oh god how could this go so wrong"

[mossy zinc]

Eris is not a function. It's just y = 1.

Hmm.

Okay.

y = 1 - @bronze viper * bad_luck.

[bronze viper]

Lol, yeah y=1 is about right, right? Because when Eris works, holy cow, does it work. But when it doesn't, you may as well be playing Stygius.

[gaunt fiber]

Is Ledger=1?

[bronze viper]

Sometimes feels like it

[mossy zinc]

It is if you're @bronze viper.

Otherwise, it's 0.

[gaunt fiber]

Oh nice

[dire steppe]

Bruh that is a function

[bronze viper]

Lmao, imagine coming into this discord, asking "what are the best pacts for 32 heat." EASY, you can turn up random knobs, it'll hit 32. Easiest 32 heat any% complete run of my life.

[dire steppe]

em4 ap2 ri4 fo2

[honest kernel]

how r ppl building eris usually

[bronze viper]

S E A S T O R M

[honest kernel]

o wait

I asked this already?

[mossy zinc]

Sea Storm isn't really a big factor at all anymore.

[eager vortex]

eris feels like a peashooter after I discovered hestia

[dire steppe]

eris is best with cold embrace

[gaunt fiber]

Lightning strike / Deadly or Heartbreak flourish / Tidal dash / Zeus or Dad call

[honest kernel]

my memory sux

thanks anyway

[gaunt fiber]

o7

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[honest kernel]

its zag rail^2 cool

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, except you don't really do any Spread Fire shenanigans on Eris.

[gaunt fiber]

what

you totally do it

it's super cool

[mossy zinc]

Let me rephrase: you do Spread Fire shenanigans on Eris if you're bad and your name is Astaos.

[dire steppe]

i did spread fire for boonless eris

[mossy zinc]

Don't be Astaos, don't take Spread Fire on Eris.

[gaunt fiber]

:(

[dire steppe]

boonless is boring tbh

[honest kernel]

boneless hades

[dire steppe]

i feel like this game was designed around boons

[shy gulch]

yeah i enjoy boons

[mossy zinc]

What makes you think that?

[eager vortex]

spread fire is incompatible with other obviously superior hammers isn't it

[dire steppe]

used to know a guy who ate the bones of wings

[mossy zinc]

The abundance of boons?

[eager vortex]

why take it at all

[mossy zinc]

Spread Fire makes sense for boonless.

[gaunt fiber]

it's a fun hammer

and with Eris buff you still have absurd damage

[dire steppe]

eris is a bad weapon

[bronze viper]

I can enjoy boonless chicken wings. Even if chickens are "supposed" to have boons

[gaunt fiber]

it's better with a % boon though

[dire steppe]

not sure why you wouldn’t just use beo

[bronze viper]

lol, is your world order slightly tilted now that Chiron is the 2nd fastest weapon in the game

[dire steppe]

chrion sucks because it’s slow tho

[gaunt fiber]

2nd fastest

fact

[dire steppe]

the weapon is slow

[gaunt fiber]

2nd fastest weapon

[dire steppe]

halian got good rng

which aspect is ranked last on any heat rn

[gaunt fiber]

halian?

[bronze viper]

It was chiron lmao

Tortoise and hare story, there

[mossy zinc]

I've been saying Chiron isn't slow nor bad.

[true fable]

chiron is now second fastest aspect

it is slow

and bad

[bronze viper]

Imagine being so slow that you warped the nature of reality itself to jump 22 places in a race in a snap.

[mossy zinc]

You're slow and bad.

[dire steppe]

if chiron wasn’t slow and bad it would be #1

[true fable]

lovcrimson's entire strategy revolved around playing chiron as little as possible

infernal soul zeus cast start

[bronze viper]

That's how I did 51 Chiron!

Now you get it!

[true fable]

LOL

[bronze viper]

Chiron inspires us all to be play the perfectly optimal least of an aspect you can play

[dire steppe]

so are we going to see a zag bow run that’s faster

[true fable]

probably not

no one's farmed the rng hard enough

lovcrimson grinded chiron for like 3 weeks nonstop

only people whove done anything close are lili and tounis

[dire steppe]

zag boe is better than chiron since seeking is just a crutch anyway

[bronze viper]

I'm glad the any heat meta was on the same page as I am though lol. I've been bugging Latt about considering to start Tidal Dash on Zag Bow 50 if he wanted to continue down the unseeded rabbit hole

[wanton plover]

who is latt

[bronze viper]

Imagine how little bow you'd have to shoot man. Imagine

[dire steppe]

whats the heat wr for dash only

[bronze viper]

strimmer, zoomer

[dire steppe]

i know pretty much everyone and their mom has done blade dash only at 32

[gaunt fiber]

Latt is a Zag bow gamer

a good one

a decent lad too

[bronze viper]

He's a solid pew pew'er that guy.

Have to respect.

Strimming 50 zoos if people are into that. Let's learn together

[stiff aurora]

I just died to 19 heat after not playing for ages

Damn I got bad lol

Got hit by asterius like 5 times

[gaunt fiber]

you won't get me Ledger

I want decent nights of sleep

[bronze viper]

Your loss. I'm in peak meme. Forgot to die for this unseeded run. I like the RNG. Hrm.

[gaunt fiber]

So Ledger has tidal dash

What would you pick : a) common tempest strike b) an epic breaking wave

[honest kernel]

What weapon

[gaunt fiber]

Zoos

[honest kernel]

...

Breaking Wave is a no-brainer LOL

[gaunt fiber]

He picked tempest strike

[honest kernel]

...

[bronze viper]

S E A S T O R M

[honest kernel]

Sea Storm ain't worth it my guy

Not over breaking wave

[bronze viper]

(i forgot to die for unseeded lol, optimizing the meme)

[honest kernel]

sure

[bronze viper]

(if I had a dollar for every free room I skipped in this Tartarus)

[gaunt fiber]

skipped npc for highrolling epic dio's aid

skipped midshop for whatever

[mossy zinc]

All the free rooms in Tartarus and none of the free rooms in Elysium is the way to go.

[gaunt fiber]

He's timing out on 12

TD2

[honest kernel]

...

Joined in

See the Blackout

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[honest kernel]

... wtf

[gaunt fiber]

this is non sense

[eager vortex]

14:05 damn

[eager vortex]

with this time I'd be 542th on speedrun list

coping hard

[gaunt fiber]

lol

if you wanna go fast

Pick an aspect you like and run it again and again

[eager vortex]

eris zeus atk + artemis sp seems the way to go

also I think I saw your name in 50 heat list

was in top10

gj

nvm 12th

[gaunt fiber]

thanks!

[eager vortex]

still tho

[gaunt fiber]

50 heat leaderboard is more like a hall of fame

Like only two or three aspects can go fast at this heat

[eager vortex]

yeah not many names in that list

more like a list of people who completed 50 heat instead of a speedrun list

I think

[gaunt fiber]

yep exactly

I'm still the fastest Guan Yu at 50

[dire steppe]

yo astaos

just watched that video

that was beautiful

[gaunt fiber]

The jesuschrist%?

[dire steppe]

Yeah

[gaunt fiber]

haha

[mossy zinc]

Whoosh. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822989486958575626/Hades_1617.png?width=752&height=423

[gaunt fiber]

thanks man

it was really nice to play too

Congrats Nyaanyaa

But why no boiling blood

[mossy zinc]

Thanks!

Because I misclicked, apparently.

[gaunt fiber]

Oh

[mossy zinc]

Abyssal Blood instead of Stygian Soul lol.

[shy gulch]

F

is that 13/24?

[mossy zinc]

Yep.

[shy gulch]

i may start doing this as well as a side project in between farming for stupid rng

sounds fun

[gaunt fiber]

do it with dio start pog frog

[shy gulch]

hm

i could try!

drunken strike arthur pog

doing them all with the same keepsake start is such a gamer move, maybe i'll just do coin purse

[gaunt fiber]

Lambent Plume would be the gamer move, or pierced butterfly

[shy gulch]

that sounds so tough

though i guess the issue w the non-god keepsakes is that eventually it'll just become "whenever u get the good god u get the run"

[gaunt fiber]

well yes

but you could also do the game skip

[mossy zinc]

2 2-sacks today.

[unique zephyr]

I nectared before realizing you probably play more than 5 runs a day (5 or more runs is a big day for me)

[gaunt fiber]

Sometimes it's just impossible to win a coin flip.

[mossy zinc]

I've yet to figure out how to enjoy playing Lucifer.

It's just so bad.

[solar maple]

just choked a really good build in the dad fight on 56 heat 😦

I'm out of practice vs em4

[mossy zinc]

Like everything about it is just bad.

[gaunt fiber]

The attack is really smooth

[solar maple]

lucifer stinky

[mossy zinc]

The attack is bad.

[gaunt fiber]

wow lucy haters

[mossy zinc]

It's just worse rail.

[daring hedge]

the special is good though

[mossy zinc]

If you get Triple Bomb maybe.

[gaunt fiber]

You'll get it pseudo

Lucy's special looks really cool with heartbreak flourish

[solar maple]

I need to practice em4 again

[gaunt fiber]

And the pink attack is good too

[daring hedge]

see this is exactly how you sell lucifer to nyaanyaa

[mossy zinc]

You know what would be better than Lucifer's Special? Getting access to Cluster Bomb, Rocket Bomb, and Hazard Bomb.

[solar maple]

I went against so much of my own advise for the fight lol

and died because of it

[gaunt fiber]

Trying my best mr tail

[solar maple]

lucifer triple bomb is p good

[daring hedge]

luci is really fun just for all the pretty colors you can experiment with

on the attack and special

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

How the hell do you get sub 10 with this thing without just getting carried by Lightning Strike or ignoring the thing completely and just doing Cast?

[gaunt fiber]

Smoldering Air + the famous biomes skip

[daring hedge]

triple bomb luci is very strong and very fast

[shy gulch]

lucifer is fun ;_;

laser go pew

[mossy zinc]

I really wish Lucifer and Gilgamesh would get some serious buffs.

I don't know why the ramp on Lucifer is so garbage that you still need Lightning Strike on it to get any real Attack damage.

Or Sea Storm.

[solemn pulsar]

triple bomb is fantastic on lucifer since the buff

but yeah it's hammer reliant for the damage ramping

[wintry berry]

The damage ramping is single target and you actually need to continue to attack unlike hangover

[daring hedge]

yeah i thought the sideways buff with the increased speed of its special falling was pretty well done

makes special feel way better than before that change

[wintry berry]

I find Lucifer fun with triple bomb, I put 3 bombs, and another 3 bombs and big booms everywhere

[mossy zinc]

Bad 3:31 Tartarus, but Twin Shot in Elysium and 2-sack mentality Heart Rend carried. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823009018305576991/Hades_1625.png?width=752&height=423

[bronze viper]

taking a slight break from zoospecting, TD3 definitely... colored my last run in a very unappetizing way, let's put it like that.

Strimming a couple of Hitless Boonless Rama attempts. Last time I did this I got halfway through Elysium. Let's see if we can make the dream happen.

[gritty flame]

Should I just learn how to handle "extreme measures" sooner rather than later?

[bronze viper]

Up to EM3 yes

EM4 is a separate thing

Totally unnecessary if you intend to push heat. Very fun fight though. For the duration at which you're alive.

[mossy zinc]

You can ignore EM3 and just do EM2 if you want to do 32, but EM3 FO0 isn't too bad at all.

[gritty flame]

ok...

Sometimes i see people avoid things that I think are trivial like the one that gives all enemies a 1 shot shield

I am just climbing up bounties as of now... trying to level up my keepsakes and max out the mirror all at once. lol

[mossy zinc]

Everything is trivial in isolation. It's the combination of pacts that makes them bad.

[gritty flame]

I think the 5 minute timer wouldn't be trivial by itself.

That sounds ridiculous

[unique zephyr]

I did EM3 FO2 for everything but fists in my 32 clears (only haven’t done sword yet), I wear acorn

TD3 took me a while to get used to and it is rough

[mossy zinc]

TD3 by itself is trivial when you reach a certain level.

[unique zephyr]

It’s worth it though imo

I should try TD3 by itself

[gritty flame]

TD3?

[unique zephyr]

Just to have confidence in myself being able to do it 100% of the time

[solar maple]

tight deadline

[unique zephyr]

5 mins per biome

[gritty flame]

oh ok

[unique zephyr]

I take free rooms very aggressively in TD3

Lots of pausing too

[solar maple]

with no other pacts I think I could clear a 2.5 min per biome pact rather consistently

but with the other pacts, the timer is very hard for me on my current runs

[unique zephyr]

But you really need to learn to use your aspect efficiently

Some BP2 combos are rough on timer

[gritty flame]

I guess it's safe to say most people don't do "high heat" until they max out their aspects and keepsakes and companions?

[unique zephyr]

I did EM3 FO0 for 16

[solar maple]

most people yes

[mossy zinc]

2min 30s consistently means consistent sub 10. That's def not every aspect for me.

[unique zephyr]

I only had Meg maxed out (now Meg and Antos) and I don’t have all keepsakes maxed out

[solar maple]

you don't have to fully max everything

[unique zephyr]

^

[solar maple]

my first 32 was with a not quite maxed mirror

[gritty flame]

wow, nice

[solar maple]

I was a few thousand darkness off

[shy plinth]

At a certain point the game is just about how good you are at not getting hit while going fast

[unique zephyr]

Fated authority?

And also making good build choices

[shy plinth]

Sure

[unique zephyr]

Knowing your weapons and hammers

[shy plinth]

But tbh if you're good enough you do ap2

[bright mango]

@gritty flame what heat are you looking to do?

[shy plinth]

And have no build choices

[gritty flame]

No idea...my goal rn is to just max out companions and keepsakes and aspects

[unique zephyr]

I think highest heat I’ll go is when I can avoid AP2

Not sure though

What’s the highest heat most aspects can avoid AP2 (AP1 is fine)

[shy plinth]

I'm not there yet but there are folks in here who just focus on not getting hit and that seems to be the skill required for 40+

[solar maple]

all can avoid it at 45

[unique zephyr]

I cleared 40 once with Hestia

It was very barely

[solar maple]

pretty much all can avoid AP2 at 50

[bright mango]

^^^

[solar maple]

but it will be easier for some with it

[unique zephyr]

What’s the highest to avoid AP1?

[bright mango]

45

[unique zephyr]

I didn’t use AP1 at 40

[mossy zinc]

Don't get hit, be fast, or don't get hit and be fast.

[unique zephyr]

You’ll be surprised by what’s possible, I didn’t think I could do sub 15

Then I did for beo 32

[solar maple]

asking for a friend, what is the highest heat you can avoid RI1?

[mossy zinc]

You can make a lot of nonsense work if you're just good at the boss fights, too.

[honest kernel]

I did some heats without having my aspects maxed out but it helps

[unique zephyr]

I’m still not good at EM3 yet

[unique zephyr]

Is this without EM4 too?

[solar maple]

yeah I've been trying RI0 56 heat lol

[bright mango]

Retrash in a nutshell

[mossy zinc]

That's everything but RI.

[solar maple]

I got to dad in one of them, but choked a really good build

[gritty flame]

What exactly gets removed with RI1?

[unique zephyr]

So above 50 if you avoid EM4 you usually take RI?

Last 3 talents

[solar maple]

yes

[unique zephyr]

Dark foresight, reroll, epic/legendary

[solar maple]

you have to take at least 2 of: AP2, RI2, EM4, TD3

[unique zephyr]

No dark foresight subtly makes you so much weaker

[solar maple]

is how 50 usually goes

[gritty flame]

But if you have fated persuasion maxed does it take away 1 level each or does it take away ALL levels of FP?

[unique zephyr]

TD3 is the least bad of all of them wow

[solar maple]

for beo I do em4 TD3

[honest kernel]

all

[solar maple]

retrash usually does EM4 AP2

[unique zephyr]

You don’t start with any rerolls

Keys give you them though

[solar maple]

tailesque does TD3 RI2

so yeah pick 2 for 50 pretty much

[unique zephyr]

He likes the path of most pain, doesn’t he

[bright mango]

For my 50 I did RI2, AP2, and TD3

[unique zephyr]

How are 40 pacts like?

[solar maple]

yeah hestia does 3 often

[unique zephyr]

I took HS for my one 40

[solar maple]

because it is fast enough with no build

and can't take DC

[gritty flame]

So no one takes Damage Control?

[unique zephyr]

It depends

[bright mango]

You could

[solar maple]

DC is aspect dependent

[unique zephyr]

On the weapon aspect

[solar maple]

DC often makes timer very scary

[unique zephyr]

It’s way better on Eris compared to Hestia for example

[mossy zinc]

Some people take DC2 on Excalibur. Not everyone has good ideas.

[gritty flame]

You could just take zeus cast or something to negate DC though

[solar maple]

it is probably the biggest time loss/heat of any of the pacts

[mossy zinc]

You can look at different high heat runs on the pinned leaderboard.

[unique zephyr]

DC2 Excalibur? I am shuddering imagining it

[bright mango]

DC2 sucks

[unique zephyr]

How do you not time out?

[solar maple]

if you are using 2 zeus casts to "negate" the DC2, you effectively give every enemy +150hp

[bright mango]

Even on rama 45 I don’t take it

[solar maple]

which is not great

[gritty flame]

Makes sense

[tidal flame]

not really. it sounds possible in theory but in practice it sucks.
source: tried to make hera zeus work.

[wintry berry]

DC2 make small add zergs actually menacing

[solar maple]

yeah DC2 makes some enemies much worse to fight

[unique zephyr]

DC makes skulls at dad fight worse too

[mossy zinc]

Who said you need to turn on a timer?

[tidal flame]

@mossy zinc

[solar maple]

yeah usually DC2 on a weapon not good at it is to make up for taking TD2

because it does not lose a full 8 mins

[unique zephyr]

You can do without, you’re right.

I’m not sure what I’d do with the 6 heat instead

TD3 to TD2 I’d have to take CF probably or more HL

[solar maple]

tbh though normal rooms are hard enough at high heat that I don't find the TD2 for DC2 +1 JS to be worth it

[mossy zinc]

DC2 saves a lot of time if you get JS3 Speeder Savior FO2 Numbskulls.

[bright mango]

Ledger somehow makes it work

[unique zephyr]

BP2 + JS and DC = nasty rooms

Probably

[unique zephyr]

Because you die faster?

[bright mango]

Even savior rooms with hestia for me at 50 were a run ender

[gritty flame]

Saves a lot of time because you die?

[solar maple]

I would say DC2 costs me an average of ~3 mins over a run on beo, and makes every room noticeably harder

[mossy zinc]

More like because you reset.

[unique zephyr]

It makes the cast management so much harder I bet

[mossy zinc]

They won't kill you if you don't let them, but you won't kill them, either.

It's doable, but not always worth the effort.

[solar maple]

savior rooms with slow weapons are pain

[unique zephyr]

I need to finish watching bablo’s 40 heat streak because the idea of streaking 40 heat is amazing

[solar maple]

like arthur

[unique zephyr]

His pacts seemed a bit weird to me

[solar maple]

how so?

[unique zephyr]

DC mainly

And TD2

DC on spear

[mossy zinc]

TD2 is for consistency.

[solar maple]

yeah DC+TD2 is sack insurance

[mossy zinc]

TD3 with a 5-sack can end a run.

[unique zephyr]

Ah that matters more if you’re trying to streak

[mossy zinc]

Exactly.

[gritty flame]

what are savior rooms?

[unique zephyr]

It’s a benefits package perk

Enemies give each other damage shields

[bright mango]

In short, they suck

[unique zephyr]

Why does bablo prefer DC over CP so far

Just curious

In terms of sack insurance

[gritty flame]

On my 10th escape I had a 5-sack run and I was sooo pissed because my timer was running out and I thought I was going to lose

[daring hedge]

DC hardly affects bosses almost at all

[gritty flame]

I had 1m10s going into hades fight

[bright mango]

I’ll let other people answer

[gritty flame]

then he lets me go

[unique zephyr]

Sorry if my questions are stupid

I never use CP

[mossy zinc]

DC2 can affect the Hades fight a lot.

[daring hedge]

Nah you're fine, valid questions

Compared to CP though nyaanyaa

[solemn pulsar]

DC2 affects the difficulty of the fight but not the size of hades health bar

[unique zephyr]

Because of the skulls?

[solemn pulsar]

The skullz

[daring hedge]

Ye

[eternal hare]

yeah, you can insta-meg and forget you have DC at all right until you realize you've made a mistake

[mossy zinc]

Mainly the skulls, yes, but the summons can be nasty with DC2, too.

[unique zephyr]

I can see why people recommend TD3 now

It lets you not take more nasty pacts

Or at least annoying

That and going fast is fun now

[mossy zinc]

I'd take CP over DC on, say, Hestia.

[unique zephyr]

I didn’t think it would be possible or fast

I just did sub 15 on my beo 32

[daring hedge]

Hestia is a pretty notable exception lol

[gritty flame]

AP2 just makes you either get lucky or not

[unique zephyr]

I hope I can sub 11 someday

And sub 15 all weps first

Is sub 15 all weps achievable for me you think

[daring hedge]

Very

[gritty flame]

sub 15 all weps....

[unique zephyr]

Speedrunning might help me survive TD3 in general

[gritty flame]

less than 15 min clear?

[mossy zinc]

I don't think you're there yet that you can do all weapons sub 15, but you can get there with practice for sure.

[unique zephyr]

I would need to ask how I could optimise my mechanics, hopefully speed running discord can help

I have a lot of wasted movement right now in fighting

[mossy zinc]

If you notice that, you don't really need to ask questions.

You already know what to work on, just keep on practicing.

[unique zephyr]

Well, I don’t know the optimal damage rotation for my weapons

[daring hedge]

Watching speedruns can definitely help with that

[gritty flame]

Why not just do a mono-build?

[mossy zinc]

There's no one optimal damage rotation. It depends on a lot of things.

[unique zephyr]

I don’t know how to tell when some attacks are dash strikes

[gritty flame]

Only cast. only special. Only attack

then you dont have to worry about rotation. lol

[honest kernel]

but then ur not fast :(

[mossy zinc]

Well.

Tbh you can easily do sub 15 with just Crush Shot > Snow Burst and potentially Mirage Shot.

On any aspect.

[honest kernel]

or get smoldering air

[solar maple]

Only using 1 attack is not fast generally

Take sword for example

The highest dps attack is dash strike

But after 2 dashes, you cant dash strike again

So you use either special or cast during the dash cooldown

A similar thing applies to most weapons

[daring hedge]

Flurry jab go brrr

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, a big part is just figuring out your highest DPS attack and then figuring out what to do when that's on cooldown.

Flurry Jab not having a cooldown helps.

[solar maple]

There are exceptions

[unique zephyr]

So what’s the Hestia cooldown stuff

[solar maple]

With zag bow you just spam dash strikes lol

[unique zephyr]

And malphon

Dem fists

[bronze viper]

Big Chaos aspect sads energy

[solar maple]

Hestia cant attack while reloading

[bronze viper]

Long cooldown, no damage

😦

[solar maple]

It can cast/special

[mossy zinc]

You do Special + Reload or Cast + Reload on Hestia, pretty much.

[unique zephyr]

Chiron can’t do anything while firing special, is that why chiron is slow

[solar maple]

Chiron isn't slow

[wanton plover]

[bronze viper]

First off, Chiron is no longer slow. Lmao

[daring hedge]

With fists you generally want to dash strike before your regular attack combo ends because of the slight end lag

[shy gulch]

chiron is slow, lovcrimson is just too powerful for this world

[bronze viper]

1 exceptional player with exceptional RNG has now invalidated the evidence gathered by the community for thousands of collective hours for sure.

For sure.

[daring hedge]

Oh yeah what in the world was that chiron run

[unique zephyr]

How does hades spear work

[shy gulch]

absolutely absurd

it was a triple biome skip i think LOL

[unique zephyr]

Biome skip?

[daring hedge]

Chiron's secret aspect perk

[shy gulch]

getting enough free rooms that you kind of "skip" the biome

but the damage they had early on kinda surprised me

[bronze viper]

It's most noticable with Asphodel

[shy gulch]

also they really figured out how to make the most of chiron's dps combo

[solar maple]

Lernie took longer than the rest of asphodel LOL

[bronze viper]

Something like Chaos -> some heavy armored enemy room > midshop -> non-bage boss -> Eurydice -> Fountain

[unique zephyr]

I usually have so much time left in Asphodel in TD3

It’s my easiest biome time wise

[daring hedge]

Apply sweep debuff and go to town with attack or special with exploding launcher

[shy gulch]

it was chaos eury combat midshop boss fountain

[solar maple]

They had like a 1:20 aspho or some bs

Routed level aspho rooms lol

[shy gulch]

probably faster than 1:20

[solar maple]

Not to say the time is just luck

[shy gulch]

u can def get faster

oh yeah

[solar maple]

Lov is MUCH MUCH better than me

[shy gulch]

to get 6:17 with chiron you need to be a phenomenal player and phenomenal rng, you absolutely need both

[mossy zinc]

Demeter Aspect doesn't have just one rotation that's optimal. A lot of enemies you kill with a single Dash-Strike or Dash-Upper or Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper or Cast > Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper. Sometimes Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper x2 or repeat until they're dead. With some normal Attacks mixed in here and there. On tanky mobs, you'd do (Cast >) Dash-Strike, Attack x5 > Dash-Strike > Attack x5 > Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper > Attack x5 > etc.

[daring hedge]

Yeah like watching dad melt to that chiron was insane

[mossy zinc]

But you adjust things as your build progresses.

Like if I have Lightning Strike + Splitting Bolt, I won't be doing any Dash-Uppers unless it's charged.

[solar maple]

I'm pretty sure chiron is now the aspect where the wr is held by the widest margin

it's BIG

like 2 mins better than 2nd best chiron player

[mossy zinc]

It's less how do I get the most DPS on an imaginary enemy with infite HP and more what's the fastest way to dispose of these different enemy types.

Also a Dash-Upper on a single enemy isn't as good as a Dash-Upper on multiple enemies.

[solemn pulsar]

Zag bow is probably the next biggest, about 1 minute

[solar maple]

lol half as much

[shy gulch]

maybe chaos shield

[solemn pulsar]

Ooh chaos is big

7:04 to 8:40

Almost the same gap

[shy gulch]

babloment

[solar maple]

oh yeah bablo to some rando

garbage player

[solemn pulsar]

Tag yourself I’m the 8:40

[mossy zinc]

You could also do ME on Malphon and not have to learn how to play Malphon. That works too, I guess.

[solar maple]

I know lol

I would say to get a top malphon time you need to know how to play it lol

[shy gulch]

the problem with fists is that once ive tasted ME, everything else feels so lacking

flying too high to the sun

[solar maple]

good luck getting sub 7 without good fist mechanics

[daring hedge]

ME really is a drug

[solar maple]

ME can carry you to sub 9

sub 8 with ME + great rooms

[shy gulch]

id say it can carry to a sub 8

[solar maple]

sub 7 you need mechanics as well

[shy gulch]

ye

u dont actually need to know mechanics super well for sub 8

low/sub 7 though

[solar maple]

I've been on sub 8 pace with rooms + ME

and my fist mechanics are garbage

[shy gulch]

ive gotten a sub 8 and i do not know how to play fists at all

[solar maple]

but sub 7 requires good play

[shy gulch]

tho tbh i think fists is a very difficult aspect to actually do very well, ive only seen a very very few number of people be good at it

for speed that is

i havent rly seen much high heat fists play

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/823036818068340766/unknown.png 50 heat hazard bomb eris ✅

[shy gulch]

pog

ok

+3 dashes splitting

LOL

[solar maple]

monthly challenge POG

[daring hedge]

At last lol

[solar maple]

submit it

[north dove]

I will

[solar maple]

you win this month for sure haha

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

[shy gulch]

he's done it

[daring hedge]

With targeting 😩

[mossy zinc]

It's not a competition.

[solar maple]

everything is a competition

lol

[bronze viper]

Well now it certainly isn't

[solar maple]

I do love the splitting bolt eris with ares attack LOL

[bright mango]

Wtf retrash

[solemn pulsar]

Cerberus

[bright mango]

Madlad

[shy gulch]

what

[solemn pulsar]

“He’s done it, Cerberus” is a line hades throws at you after you win and come back to the house

[shy gulch]

oh

[solemn pulsar]

It’s my favorite it’s so sassy

[shy gulch]

sorry too big brain for me

[solemn pulsar]

And I want to say it anytime someone crushes a PB

With the appropriate pronoun

[bright mango]

@solemn pulsar Your thumbnails are golden

The 40 arthur popped up in my recommendations

[bronze viper]

Okay, well, if I needed a signal from Olympus that I need to call it for tonight, the flippin' Lucky Tooth eating Athena DD thing happened to me, again, in Styx, again.

[mossy zinc]

I informed Amir in #test-branch-tech-issues last week, but I think the team is taking a break at the moment.

Until then, don't take Lucky Tooth if you have a DD from her.

Does it happen with both Last Stand and Deathless Stand or only one of them?

[bronze viper]

LOLOLOLOL. Holy cow, a new layer to this bug. Just made it happen live. If you lose the temp SD in an Athena chamber, you'll end up with an empty slot in front of your SD, which is obviously wrong. As an experiment I wanted to see what would happen if I gained a DD, and to my surprise, you gain a second bad SD

I submitted 3 bug reports for this one interaction :3

Apprec bringing it up in the test branch issues too, forgot about that channel

[bronze viper]

I haven't mentally tracked that, but having had this happen to me twice I'm not running into this situation anymore until it's fixed so I won't have any more data points. I can look back at the two VODS to see which boons they were, but even including Schad's vod, that's only 3 data points.

[gaunt fiber]

Imagine

Being Athena, denying you core boons twice in a row

Finally offering you a DD in late Elysium

Sike! That's the wrong DD

[solemn pulsar]

Thank you, it was a moment of divine inspiration

[half heart]

Ok, seems like merciful end demeter fits build at 32-heat is still powerful 🙂

Wanted to post screenshot, but somehow I can't

[solemn pulsar]

You can only post screenshots in #h1-victory-boasting

And then link the comment here

[half heart]

Understandable

How to link comment?

#h1-victory-boasting message

[solemn pulsar]

I usually right click on the image and do “copy imagelink”

But that works too

[halcyon flame]

double sd

[mossy zinc]

@eager vortex for sub 10, you're looking at a 2:30 out of Tartarus and 4:30 out of Asphodel. That's a good and reliable pace. But I've done sub 10 with a 3:31 out of Tartarus and 5:10 out of Asphodel. Sometimes your build just takes a while to come online but then one-shots everything.

And free rooms in Elysium make a big difference.

[solemn pulsar]

Cleaning up your elysium play is the best path to a sub 10, since there’s the most combats there aside from Tartarus, but they all take much longer

So even getting a little better could speed your times up by 30s or more

Just from some slightly cleaner elysium play

[mossy zinc]

Memorizing initial spawns for all the chamber layouts also helps a lot. Take a mental note of where you find the first wave, so you don't have to search for them the next time you're in that chamber.

Wasting 5 seconds in every chamber to look for enemies adds up.

[gaunt fiber]

You want to skip Asphodel

Too much hide an seek and jumping enemies, rooms layout are a pain sometimes

But Elysium kills runs in general

TL dr : get free rooms

[mossy zinc]

I don't think Asphodel is much of a problem in that regard. A lot of players are just terrible at fighting enemies there and keep dashing towards enemies that are clearly about to leap again.

[halcyon flame]

i mean to be fair

[eager vortex]

I do 3:00 tartarus and 5:30 asphodel then everything gets weird in elysium and by the time I reach styx it's 9:00 which isn't enough

[halcyon flame]

the enemies are really annoying

i had to chase this single wavemaker who was just bhopping around for 30 whole seconds

[bright mango]

I recommend atleast getting 8 min into styx

[eager vortex]

I tried 3 more times already, can't beat my own 11:03

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, you'll want sub 8 for a comfortable pace that can get sub 10.

Ideally like 7:30.

[eager vortex]

so if it's not under 7:30 in styx

just restart yes

[bright mango]

No

[eager vortex]

8:00 ?

[solemn pulsar]

8 minutes is very doable with a 2 sack and a solid build

[mossy zinc]

No, you shouldn't reset at all because you need to practice Styx as much as you need to practice the other regions.

[eager vortex]

elysium is my main problem lol

[bright mango]

With a two sack and a decent build, styx should take you a minute

Rip I type too slow

[eager vortex]

I'ma savescum styx to reset seed

[bright mango]

And hades should take about a minute

[eager vortex]

eff it

[bright mango]

So 8 min is doable

[mossy zinc]

And you'll need to speed up Asphodel. Just knowing where enemies spawn, so that you don't waste a lot of time running towards the other end will help a lot.

[eager vortex]

those damn jumping enemies

[mossy zinc]

Try to aggro everything, then pull the fight towards the exit if you can.

[eager vortex]

yea you get the idea

[bright mango]

4:xx is a comfortable pace in asphodel for sub 10

[eager vortex]

mm

is em2 absolutely a must ?

[bright mango]

Yes

[eager vortex]

fo2 ?

[bright mango]

Kinda

[eager vortex]

I got 11:03 without em2 and fo2 damn that could be sub10 if I got these

[mossy zinc]

Neither is a must exactly, but it's a noticeable difference.

[bright mango]

Also turn off TD

It removes survival rooms

[eager vortex]

I turned off td and turned on the timer yes

[bright mango]

Ok

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah on non Eris weapon you want 2 min out of ely

[eager vortex]

are thanatos rooms considered free ?

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[eager vortex]

cuz time stops

nice

[gaunt fiber]

You want than as late as possible

[mossy zinc]

The timer stops. Time doesn't stop.

[gaunt fiber]

But every than is saving time

[eager vortex]

yeah I am not aiming for real life time

just ig

[bright mango]

You normally want elysium thans

[eager vortex]

and just sub 10, that's all really

yeah I usually get than in ely

[gaunt fiber]

You'll get sub 10 just by knowing your aspect

[bright mango]

^^^

[eager vortex]

I consider myself pretty good with eris but apperently not fast enuff

[mossy zinc]

An aspiring video game journalist aiming for ign? Interesting.

[bright mango]

Also try achilles 🙂

I like it so much better than eris

[eager vortex]

I'm not a journalist 😦

I'm a g4m3r

[mossy zinc]

But you're aiming for IGN.

[gaunt fiber]

Not saying it's easy either

[eager vortex]

ohhhhh

damn yea I meant IG

in game

[bright mango]

Igt

[mossy zinc]

It's too late.

History will remember.

[bright mango]

Try it

[eager vortex]

I don't get along well with cast aspects

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah Nyaanyaa likes funny jokes like this one

[mossy zinc]

Thank you. It's indeed funny.

[bright mango]

Flurry jab

[eager vortex]

I'd rather try

gy speedrun

[halcyon flame]

i am laughing so hard right now.

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[bright mango]

Guan yu hard

[eager vortex]

but gy is the reason I don't ignore spear completely

[mossy zinc]

In EnemyDate.lua.

[gaunt fiber]

@eager vortex also do you run EM2 FO2 and no TD for survival room in Tartarus?

[eager vortex]

yes yes and no I kept using td3

will turn it off

[mossy zinc]

If I change Max Health = XXX for all enemy types to Max Health = 1, is my run considered legal for speedrun.com?

[bright mango]

But once you get used to achilles, everything is just so fluid and nice and stuff

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah for IGT it's better to turn off TD

[bright mango]

Eris now feels so clunky for me

[gaunt fiber]

Should be good

[mossy zinc]

Anyone?

[eager vortex]

well hestia is my fav but eris is good for speed

[mossy zinc]

Thank you.

[gaunt fiber]

My pleasure

Get WR with the power of love

[eager vortex]

there should be a heat

that reduces your hp to 1

and gives you like 10 heat

[gaunt fiber]

I mean

[mossy zinc]

It's called Guan Yu.

[gaunt fiber]

Just play Guan Yu

[bright mango]

That’s called 50 heat guan yu

[eager vortex]

gy is 50% only

[bright mango]

Lmao

[eager vortex]

no

basically 1 hp

can't go higher

no-hit heat

[gaunt fiber]

If enemies hit for 6 minimum

Does not matter that much

[eager vortex]

people are doing boonless runs and no-hit runs right

[bright mango]

Yeah

[eager vortex]

well they should be

heat choices

then

[bright mango]

It’s all honor system

Well unless you record it

[eager vortex]

one more thing

why is poseidon dash good

it ruins my cluster special

[bright mango]

IT’S GOOD

I can’t even stand eris without it

[eager vortex]

"oh here, I'll just use cluster here"

-dash-

"oops it missed"

[gaunt fiber]

You should special when entering the room and reloading, not while dashing

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber I don't want to risk it. I'd probably still be slower than Lili, and then what's my excuse.

[bright mango]

That’s why you dash and then cluster 🙂

[gaunt fiber]

That's totally understandable

[eager vortex]

what about aphro dash ?

[bright mango]

Nooo

[gaunt fiber]

It's good but the damage is not as high

[mossy zinc]

Yes, Passion Dash is perfect.

[bright mango]

Also poseidon dash is extremely good at styx

[eager vortex]

oh yes cant argue with that

but in big areas it's iunno

[bright mango]

No nyaanyaa is biased

[mossy zinc]

m not biased.

[gaunt fiber]

Painkakke if you have a video I could help you

[bright mango]

^^^

[eager vortex]

I'll record my next attempt

[bright mango]

Ok

[eager vortex]

then

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite said m perfectly objective.

[bright mango]

Exactly

[eager vortex]

aphrodite, zeus and artemis definitely have the best boons

[bright mango]

So you’re biased towards her

[eager vortex]

rest are like support huh

[bright mango]

Nooo

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite has the best boons.

The others also have boons.

[bright mango]

Every god has its own thing

[eager vortex]

you do sound kinda biased towards the goddess of love

[gaunt fiber]

Oh really

[eager vortex]

but it has the highest %dps so

[bright mango]

I owe aphrodite a major debt, so I agree with nyaanyaa here

[eager vortex]

still prefer artemis on cluster tho

[mossy zinc]

Rude.

[gaunt fiber]

This emote is so cute

[bright mango]

Ikr

[mossy zinc]

https://imgur.com/a/Z9Y4S7T

[eager vortex]

but the crit

[bright mango]

Artemis is better on most things but don’t tell nyaanyaa I said this

Shhh

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah rocket bombs is incredible with deadly flourish

[eager vortex]

should I reset run if I don't get rocket bombs

or is it doable anyway

[gaunt fiber]

Doable

[bright mango]

Also keep it quiet from lady aphrodite

[eager vortex]

okay

[bright mango]

My sub 9 was with rocket, flurry

[gaunt fiber]

I got a friend

Titigore, n°4 on leaderboard

[eager vortex]

I basically own the cheated wr btw

I just don't show anyone

cuz I am ashamed

[gaunt fiber]

I think his run lacks either cluster or rocket

[bright mango]

It’s completely doable

[gaunt fiber]

For sub 10 you're fine

[eager vortex]

okie

[mossy zinc]

You don't tell me what to tell Lady Aphrodite, heretic.

[eager vortex]

anyway dionysus is the best god rest are unfunny

I'm goone

[gaunt fiber]

Dio is really good indeed

At disappointing me

[bright mango]

https://discord.gg/ByChpbHX

[eager vortex]

joining that discord will

lower my self esteem

[gaunt fiber]

Dude

[bright mango]

lol it lowers mine too

[gaunt fiber]

Remember one thing

[bright mango]

But it’s helpful

[gaunt fiber]

Speedrunners are low heat players just like beginners

[solemn pulsar]

Lol

[solar maple]

low heat casuals

the whole lot of them

[bright mango]

I just stick to the high heat section of that because I don’t want to see people getting frickin sub 8 with 5 sacks

[gaunt fiber]

Whoops I triggered them

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, speedrunners are just players who take easy mode way too serious.

[eager vortex]

so since I did 35 heat I'm basically tactically superior ?

[bright mango]

Yes

You are

[gaunt fiber]

You are

[eager vortex]

ohhhh nice

[bright mango]

I respect everyone there, but it hurts