#h1-high-heat-strategies

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edgy arrow
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lmao yeah

wind bough
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my favorite two so far was one rather insane dps one with crush shot

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another with like 7 casts aspect of poseidon and exit wounds

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oh also another one with crystal i got huge dps with

mossy zinc
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Best Cast builds now are Phalanx Shot, Flood Shot, Crush Shot, and Electric Shot.

shy plinth
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You didn't use the word flare

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I don't understand

honest kernel
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Other weapons then beo exists, you know

shy plinth
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Is that true

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Citation needed

bright mango
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What

unique zephyr
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Got 32 fists just now! First try, I think (not sure if I tried it a bit ago or not, but tried it just now and got it)

bright mango
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I need to know

mossy zinc
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Passion Flare, Flood Flare, and Trippy Flare on Beowulf.

shy plinth
unique zephyr
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@mossy zinc Thanks for the suggestion to use dash upper and do EM2 not EM3

mossy zinc
bright mango
shy plinth
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I do enjoy phalanx poseidon sword

edgy arrow
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in my head the best cast builds are the Impractical Quartet: Full Wine, Hunting Blades, Meme Beams and Mizzard Shot

wind bough
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i usually picked it as a bonus when going primarily for something on attack /special

honest kernel
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Mozart Shot ? I'm afraid I don't get it

bright mango
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Its amazing on beo

bronze viper
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Flood Flare a pretty different animal to Flood Shot tbf

bright mango
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Flood flare

bronze viper
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Gigantic chungus AoE

wind bough
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i barely use beo

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i generally hate shield

bronze viper
edgy arrow
honest kernel
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Shouldn't have said that in front of the beo gang

bright mango
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Badddddd move

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Very bad

bronze viper
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We're sharpening the pitchforks as we speak

bright mango
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Ledger has joined beo gang?

mossy zinc
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@honest kernel Mirage + Blizzard.

honest kernel
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oh

bronze viper
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I wanted to fit in :3

bright mango
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Welcome

shy plinth
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Tbh I didn't get shield for a long time

bright mango
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Same

shy plinth
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And thought the best one was... chaos

bright mango
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Until I used beo

shy plinth
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Have since learned

honest kernel
bright mango
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I hate chaos

bronze viper
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Also I wanted to say with some authority that it's bad, but it was actually pretty fun shrug

shy plinth
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I started in 1.0 so I have no excuse

honest kernel
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Because free room clears

mossy zinc
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@bronze viper that's a weird bow you're holding. If I didn't know any better, I'd think it was a shield.

shy plinth
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Before 1.0 I heard it was busted

honest kernel
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And it is the safest

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So

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The thrown shield angles

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Full circle

shy plinth
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Oh my

mossy zinc
honest kernel
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Yup

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Also, the extra shields bounced

shy plinth
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Oh myyyyyyy

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So styx tunnels were super free

bronze viper
honest kernel
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It was good enough where Merciful End could just work

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On top of Zeus being busted

shy plinth
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Gross

mossy zinc
honest kernel
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Well, Chaos didn't need hammers soooo

edgy arrow
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pre nerf chaos was so broken people kept being like “why does everyone like this?” for ages after it was nerfed

mossy zinc
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Chaos Aspect high heat worked with Epic Thunder Flourish and Epic Jolted lol. Not really otherwise.

honest kernel
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Now it relies hardcore on them lol

bronze viper
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Because why not

mossy zinc
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DPS was just bad.

honest kernel
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I mean

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You took Chaos because of the room clears

edgy arrow
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i mean, back then “high heat” was like 40+ tho

honest kernel
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Boss DPS wasn't it's forte, but who needed that when you could just turtle bullrush all the way through

bronze viper
mossy zinc
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We were doing 50+ with Beowulf and Chaos. thanthink

solar maple
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old chaos definitely cleared 50+ iirc

bronze viper
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Old Chaos "cleared" 50+, but I think every single one of them used the same ludicrously broken seed

mossy zinc
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Yes, with an Epic Thunder Flourish into Epic Jolted seed.

edgy arrow
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if you took one of the top players from today and sent them back in time i’ve no doubt they could get further with old chaos than folks could then

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like, a lot further

solar maple
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oh for sure

edgy arrow
solar maple
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people have gotten better

shy plinth
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The old tabs are on the new sheet

edgy arrow
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40+ was like 50+ is now

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kinda

honest kernel
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EM4 wasn't a thing either

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and TD was a bit different

bronze viper
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Kinda. I think you mean like, extremely high heat

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Which is valid

shy plinth
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Yeah the top 2 chaos shields are on the same seed

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Bablo and Haelian

edgy arrow
shy plinth
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Though this is post nerf I think

solar maple
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was TD the same time/floor? I do know it didn't roll over between floors

honest kernel
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No time overlap yeah

solar maple
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i just don't remember if they changed the value

bronze viper
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TD2 was 7 min/floor

mossy zinc
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7 minutes per region.

honest kernel
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It was 9 or 7 minutes per biome

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TD1 and TD2 respectively

solar maple
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oh there was no td3?

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huh

honest kernel
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nope

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But it also was worth I think 2 and 3 heat respectively ?

bronze viper
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Yeah 5 total

edgy arrow
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2 heat for 9 minute timer lol

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i’d forgotten that

wintry berry
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TD2 3 heat pog

bronze viper
edgy arrow
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it’s crazy to think that folks used to complain about only having 7 minutes for elysium back then

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yeah exactly

honest kernel
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Oh I 'member that

edgy arrow
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like now i’m cruising if i saved 2 minutes out of asphodel

mossy zinc
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It's not crazy. We had to deal with pre-nerf Bruiser lol.

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Bow and spear were a lot worse.

edgy arrow
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i guess

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yeah pre-nerf bruiser was a lot of hp

solar maple
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7+ min elysiums aren't that rare

honest kernel
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^

mossy zinc
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Yeah.

edgy arrow
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depends on aspect

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for beo they’re pretty rare lol

bronze viper
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Yeah, the mixing of the culture started a bit before I stopped playing because I got my eyes replaced. Wriste and Jerds were asking various people in the heat community of their opinions of what logical breakpoints would be for higher heat speedrun categories

honest kernel
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They were about on par with what I got in my 60+ heat attempts

mossy zinc
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Average aspect strength is a lot higher now than it was in Early Access.

honest kernel
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Even Zeus shield got mega-buffed

wintry berry
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My last beowulf clear had a 7:30 Elysium clear with JS3+CP2

solar maple
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yeah I don't typically take 7 mins without like skipping midshop for a slow trial or something

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but it happens

unique zephyr
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which do you find less icky styigus or varatha

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i do have shield left as well though

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i haven't used shield in a long time

edgy arrow
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actually now i think about it i probably do have 7+ minute elysiums semi regularly

bronze viper
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checks if Stygius has Flurry Jab. Hmm.

unique zephyr
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Is achilles > hades purely bc flurry jab?

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or are they even

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for spear aspects

honest kernel
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Sorta

edgy arrow
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i just look at how much time i have left so i don’t have a good feel for how much time i’m actually taking lol

solar maple
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flurry achilles > hades spear > non flurry achilles imo

mossy zinc
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Mixing was pretty similar to what it is now, relatively. There are just a lot more players now.

bronze viper
solar maple
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or you can just go with cast achilles

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that's fine too

honest kernel
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Non-flurry Achilles gets to use casts, yeah

mossy zinc
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Guan Yu > not Guan Yu.

unique zephyr
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what casts does achilles like

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and poseidon I guess

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I'm not doing normal stygius

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attacking with stygius sucks without dedge

honest kernel
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Zeus cast, Athena cast mostly. Can make all of 'em work

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150% damage is nuts on casts

mossy zinc
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Nyaanyaa Mewmew Today at 6:25 PM
Best Cast builds now are Phalanx Shot, Flood Shot, Crush Shot, and Electric Shot.

unique zephyr
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Sorry I didn't see that

mossy zinc
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Crush Shot + Deadly Strike for Heart Rend can be pretty silly.

edgy arrow
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pretty sure there are literally no actively bad casts on achilles and poseidon

unique zephyr
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not even crystal beam?

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not that I'd use crystal beam

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i don't like it myself

honest kernel
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Crystal Beam is legit in high heat

edgy arrow
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some are more annoying to get online, and some are definitely better than others, but all of them can work

honest kernel
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It just sucks in a speedrunning context

unique zephyr
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oh? how so?

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I legit am bad at crystal beam

edgy arrow
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yeah crystal beam is a meme but also good if you get everything going

unique zephyr
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and don't know how it's useful

honest kernel
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Crystal Clarity and Glacial Glare

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That's how

solar maple
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yeah I think every cast is pretty decent for ~32 heat

shy plinth
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It's nutty

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Also with achilles spear you just press the special button twice and then cast

honest kernel
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^

shy plinth
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And your beams get +150% for full duration

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Or your hunting blades, or... anything

unique zephyr
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I'll try Athena just to get her in the god pool guaranteed and early

honest kernel
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Not a bad plan

unique zephyr
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Infernal or stygian soul on achilles?

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or what does the choice depend on, rather

mossy zinc
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Infernal.

solar maple
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it depends on the cast usually

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go infernal

mossy zinc
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Stygian only really for Trippy Shot.

solar maple
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unless you are highrolling for chaos casts on dem/ares casts or using dio cast for some reason

honest kernel
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Infernal for cast, Stygian for flurry resets

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So, for high heat ? Infernal

edgy arrow
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stygian for trippy and crystal

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or flurry resets yeah lol

honest kernel
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^ that too I guess

mossy zinc
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Although, I did Stygian Soul for Heart Rend with Crush Shot, come to think of it.

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That definitely works.

honest kernel
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Stygian works fine with Phalanx Shot too, from my experience

mossy zinc
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Stygian makes it more of a hybrid aspect.

honest kernel
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Hmm Hmm.

mossy zinc
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Until you get infinite ammo.

honest kernel
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Either way, Artemis attack and Tidal Dash are going to be your go-to options.

mossy zinc
honest kernel
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for Mirage Shot

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And because both are just really solid damage options on Achilles

mossy zinc
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Who knew Snake's bandana is really just Stygian Soul.

honest kernel
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Could always dip the tidal dash for athena dash, I guess. Artemis attack is the big one

mossy zinc
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I think Deadly Strike start into whatever else you find on the way is a reasonable start.

honest kernel
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It is. In speedruns, you can go for Tidal Dash start as well

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And apply the same logic

edgy arrow
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with athena on dash, you can just go artemis attack + flood flare -> mirage shot

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yes flood flare you’re playing beo now you fell for my trap

honest kernel
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... or have Artemis attack, Poseidon Aid and Athena dash with whatever cast for your 4th god

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Achilles does have some risk involved when it comes to bossing

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If you don't go Aphrodite or Athena cast

mossy zinc
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Or you could take Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Shatter Shot, Passion Dash, Aphrodite's Aid.

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I think that's a reasonable build.

honest kernel
edgy arrow
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ah, a classic build

gaunt fiber
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Haunted by shatter shot

shy plinth
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What was the old name for Aphrodite's Aid

mossy zinc
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I had to relearn the game when they replaced Shatter Shot. squirtooh

shy plinth
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Charm of the Lovely Goddess

edgy arrow
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honestly there’s probably a statistically significant number of all aphro core boon builds in high heat clears, simply because Nyaanyaa exists and the high heat community is relatively small

unique zephyr
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Aphrodite has good boons too

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Weak is nice if you aren’t a dodge master yet

shy plinth
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Some of her tier 2s are kinda sketchy

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But the giant chunky damage % is so nice

mossy zinc
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You take that back. Her tier 2s are perfect. zfiestAngry

unique zephyr
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With weak + hyper sprint you only take 49% damage

edgy arrow
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i used to hate all aphro’s T2s but a few have grown on me

unique zephyr
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Really nice vs bull

shy plinth
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Do you reroll for broken resolve or empty inside

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Like sweet surrender is the nuts of course

edgy arrow
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oh i don’t reroll for any aphro T2

unique zephyr
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It’s how I survived vs bull in 40 heat

mossy zinc
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Broken Resolve and Empty Inside are both very good.

edgy arrow
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maybe sweet surrender if i’ve got rolls to spare

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but that doesn’t mean they aren’t decent

mossy zinc
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I typically reroll for Smoldering Air, so.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

edgy arrow
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i mean yeah

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save those rolls for duos

honest kernel
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The thing about Aphrodite is that most of her T2s are geared towards defense, not offense.

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Sweet Surrender being a decent offensive T2

edgy arrow
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or reroll out of aphro T2s into a duo

shy plinth
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Smoldering air Aphrodite

mossy zinc
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"Most."

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Two out of three.

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That is indeed most.

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Actually.

shy plinth
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50%

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BLOWN KISS

mossy zinc
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Two out of four, yes.

honest kernel
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Oh right

mossy zinc
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So there.

honest kernel
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Forgot about that

mossy zinc
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You're wrong.

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Apologize. zfiestAngry

shy plinth
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Imagine forgetting about blown kiss, mainstay of aphrodite builds

honest kernel
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sorry

mossy zinc
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Good.

shy plinth
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What a weird boon

gaunt fiber
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...

edgy arrow
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i’ve been playing hera a bunch recently, and you’d be amazed how often blown kiss doesn’t show up when you want it

shy plinth
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I wonder what's taken less often, blown kiss or rip current

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Or I guess seen less often

mossy zinc
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Rip Current is good.

honest kernel
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Blown Kiss, probably.

edgy arrow
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surely blown kiss

gaunt fiber
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Do you know the power of rip current?

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It's busted

shy plinth
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Oh I like rip current

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But I wonder how often people end up even seeing it

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Crush shot is at least given priority

honest kernel
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Poseidon Aid is literally forced into you in one of the early runs

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Plus, it is a popular aid

edgy arrow
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crush shot is mediocre on non hera, and blown kiss is ehh 90% of the time whereas poseidon’s aid is super good and rip current is bonkers

shy plinth
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Right I'm not saying "how good are these boons"

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I'm wondering how often they are seen

edgy arrow
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i mean crush shot is core, so that’s a point in its favour

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i still think blown kiss would be picked less

shy plinth
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Yeah probably seen more but taken less

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I wouldn't pass rip current for much

solar maple
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I wish blown kiss worked with pash flare

shy plinth
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"Kiss nova"

edgy arrow
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actually same

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i’d never thought about that before

honest kernel
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Oh BOI Flood Flare 2.0 here we go

mossy zinc
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Crush Shot is not at all mediocre. One of the best for sword and spear. thanthink

honest kernel
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Passion Flare is still pretty decent on Beo

mossy zinc
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Fits perfectly into their rotations and does a lot of damage.

honest kernel
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Just not meta

solar maple
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pash flare is pretty good

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and very consistent

edgy arrow
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pash flare was beo meta for ages

honest kernel
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And then it's like the meta cast for Hera

edgy arrow
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yeah crush shot more like hera shot

shy plinth
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The crush shotgun

mossy zinc
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My favorite Beowulf builds were always Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Passion Flare with Tidal Dash or Divine Dash and Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air.

edgy arrow
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it’s a crush shotgun except you’re shooting the shotgun out of a bow

shy plinth
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Yes there are layers of weaponry

honest kernel
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And the ammo is re-usable

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Somehow

shy plinth
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This is a labored analogy

mossy zinc
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It's a frag grenade.

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Hera is a grenade launcher.

edgy arrow
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oh it’s laboured for sure but a bow that shoots shotguns is rad as hell so i’m sticking with it

shy plinth
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Rad as hell confirmed

mossy zinc
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Reusable frags.

unique zephyr
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Crush shot for melee weapons? Interesting

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It kind of makes sense

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I assume Stygian would be better here?

shy plinth
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It's a lot of damage

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Infernal seems good

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Get boiling going

mossy zinc
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No, Infernal.

shy plinth
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The casts don't get lost

mossy zinc
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Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat.

shy plinth
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They just pop right in front of you if you miss

unique zephyr
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Oh right short range cast

mossy zinc
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Can't do that with Stygian Soul, it recharges too slow.

unique zephyr
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I haven’t used aphro cast much at all I admit

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3 seconds is so long

mossy zinc
wind bough
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if you have a good special isn't just dumping three shots into special faster

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using poseidon aspect

edgy arrow
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also thankfully crush shot actually hits things now

mossy zinc
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Possibly. Depends on enemy type.

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Poseidon is an outlier anyway.

honest kernel
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I think I gotta bite the bullet with crush shot on hera bc nothing else really works out for me

edgy arrow
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crush shot hera good

honest kernel
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aiming wierd tho shadegrief

edgy arrow
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what’s weird about it?

honest kernel
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its easy to overshoot

wind bough
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i tried too few weapon aspects

edgy arrow
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not any easier to overshoot than any other cast

wind bough
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i only have like 100h so i'm sort of low on titan blood

honest kernel
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only 100h

wind bough
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i think i'll 100% and drop the game before trying everything out

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yeah i started playing in february 15ish

shy plinth
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Busy month for you

honest kernel
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nonono I'm saying that because 100 hours is a ton

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lmao

wind bough
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100 is not a ton

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lol

honest kernel
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To invest into any game, yes

wind bough
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actually im more like 90

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no it isnt

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thats unironically super weak numbers

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people put 500-2000 into their favorites constantly

edgy arrow
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100h is objectively a whole pile

true fable
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100 is quite a lot of hours to do anything

honest kernel
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Yeah and they are outliers

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lmao

wind bough
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no it really isnt

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lmao

honest kernel
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extreme gaming

true fable
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ok

edgy arrow
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i can count on one hand the number of games i’ve put >100 hours in

true fable
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this isnt really productive

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lol

wintry berry
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It depends on when you started to play said game

shy plinth
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3 hours a day for a month is a lot of time

wind bough
edgy arrow
wind bough
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this is me

shy plinth
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Those links do not work

wind bough
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i made them not work in order to not clutter the chat

unique zephyr
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Nem sword idea: aphro cast and arty attack for heart rend?

wind bough
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speaking of not cluttering the chat i guess we should drop this now

mossy zinc
shy plinth
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No I mean clicking them doesn't work

wind bough
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oh wtf

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its two of my games

honest kernel
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thats nice now I really gotta try it dusa

wind bough
true fable
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hera and crush shot really is a nice match

honest kernel
edgy arrow
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oh yeah if you mean the bug where crush shot would just randomly miss half the time they fixed that

honest kernel
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But Aphro cast not a bad backup plan

unique zephyr
honest kernel
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yeah I only played it before 1.0 and it was inconsistent af

edgy arrow
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yeah it was bad back then for sure

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but it’s actually super good now

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like speedrunners use it and everything

honest kernel
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We talking speedrunning meta good

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Yeah

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:0

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aphro wins again

shy plinth
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I don't know how people like Baj and Bright do it

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Constantly crossing the speedrunning and heat streams

mossy zinc
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She always does. 💕

shy plinth
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The worlds are so diff

true fable
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my personal fav is running crush shot hera and getting cucked out of mirage 4 times in a row in a tournament setting

shy plinth
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😦

honest kernel
true fable
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hat thats how you end up running DDs on 50 heat

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LOL

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sleepiness and speedrunning

shy plinth
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You crazy person

wintry berry
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Why not both speedrunning high heat ?

edgy arrow
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yeah i’ve been trying some casual speedrunning and i have literally no idea what i’m doing

honest kernel
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some peeps do

true fable
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AP

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AP is why i dont

shy plinth
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There is a leaderboard

honest kernel
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^

shy plinth
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But it is mostly Tail and hadesprof

honest kernel
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for 50, that is

shy plinth
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And like I don't think Tail is speedrunning, he's just... good

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Yeah

honest kernel
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Some other peeps had a shot at 32

shy plinth
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Oh and pseudo is #3 at 50 nice

honest kernel
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But it's basically anyheat but don't get hit

true fable
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so for 40 heat if you look at the beowulf pact its an absolute misery fest

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unlike rama, which takes DC3

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*2

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you take AP1 and CF1

mossy zinc
shy plinth
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@solar maple I think you are officially the best Mac player in the world

true fable
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and reset for enough boons

shy plinth
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I should unmute that server I guess

mossy zinc
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He betrayed us. squirtooh

daring hedge
honest kernel
true fable
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its a battle between pseudo and croven i guess

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lol

unique zephyr
mossy zinc
true fable
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not much competition on mac

unique zephyr
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I can’t handle the sounds

shy plinth
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Oh I mean notifications

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You can turn the sounds off without turning off notifications or unread counts

mossy zinc
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Look at this.

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@daring hedge makes all the high heat girl gamers cry.

true fable
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heartbreaker

wintry berry
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Only girls ?

unique zephyr
gaunt fiber
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Schlad and Astoas, name a better duo

honest kernel
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Didn't he dip from there too

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After posting a few messages

true fable
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yee

true fable
gaunt fiber
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good one

unique zephyr
honest kernel
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It's all cool

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Schlad is on and off these days

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Altho mostly off

edgy arrow
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to be fair, when he’s on he’s mostly doing 50+

honest kernel
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And killing it with Eris

edgy arrow
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which is very grind

solar maple
edgy arrow
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absolutely

honest kernel
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When Hestia is considered the better alternative for high heat

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The madlad

edgy arrow
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many respect for Schad

daring hedge
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i like the new trend of calling schad schlad

true fable
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my favorite thing is that his first 50 was on switch

gaunt fiber
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Yo Tailsque

honest kernel
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Astaos no

daring hedge
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lol

true fable
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astoas

solemn pulsar
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Birght

true fable
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i prefer bridge

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talesque

edgy arrow
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uh oh

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it’s chaos

mossy zinc
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Schad talked himself into believing high heat players look down on seeded runs, same as Forgotten Kane did with routed runs.

edgy arrow
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*choas

mossy zinc
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

true fable
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okohwhy

edgy arrow
solar maple
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I was thinking about trying to push my 50 heat time faster

true fable
#

swaydo

solar maple
#

but there's no way I would take #2 with beo

solemn pulsar
#

Whywhybecause

true fable
#

seagull

#

talesque when you gon a hit that go live button as an affiliate so i can give you money

daring hedge
#

i'm in midterm hell lol

solar maple
#

for those of you who don't know the story behind swaydo

true fable
#

dang

solar maple
#

I joined tournament with the tag "pseudo"

mossy zinc
#

Why make fun of somebody's name when you can tell them what name to pick instead and they listen to you.

solar maple
#

and the TOs called me for a game with "swaydo"

#

it took me a little while to realize they meant me

honest kernel
#

Tournament for what game

#

👀

solar maple
#

I think it was a melee local

true fable
#

melee

honest kernel
#

oh nice

mossy zinc
#

Right, @gaunt fiber | Hardcore Guan Yu Gamer?

true fable
#

hey bai

gaunt fiber
#

Hey

#

It's not a name, it's a title

mossy zinc
#

Mhmm.

gaunt fiber
#

At least it's not Astoases I mean

true fable
#

astoas

gaunt fiber
#

pls stop bridgezeroone

daring hedge
#

Astoas | Guan Yu Hater

honest kernel
#

Bright, you ain't toping Seagull

bright mango
#

Astoasses

true fable
#

astoas is my favorite gaun yu player

solar maple
#

tailesesque

gaunt fiber
#

lol

mossy zinc
#

He's not a Guan Yu Hater.

#

Astaos is an Emergency Guan Yu Holographic program.

gaunt fiber
#

yeah but what about astoas

daring hedge
#

yeah i meant astoas

edgy arrow
#

wait is it an emergency rn

daring hedge
#

the nega-astaos

bright mango
#

Astoaoaoas

shy plinth
#

I only know Astaos' alternate universe shield main Asbeos

true fable
#

he plays beowulf

unique zephyr
daring hedge
#

it does not

edgy arrow
#

he taught me everything i know

solar maple
#

there is only 1 leaderboard

honest kernel
gaunt fiber
solar maple
#

I do have the best beo time

honest kernel
#

Because multi-weapon categories are a thing

true fable
#

it looks like this

honest kernel
true fable
solar maple
#

lol

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
#

Anytime you need Guan Yu help, @gaunt fiber appears: "Please state the nature of the Guan Yu emergency."

daring hedge
#

yeah like going for an aspect best is still something you can absolutely go for and is worth your time. the leaderboard just won't make a big note of it

gaunt fiber
#

This is bullying

unique zephyr
#

Ah okay, I would have thought it makes more sense to compare players with the same aspects to each other

mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

Well it's all Eris anyways at the top

solar maple
#

yeah aspect wrs are a real thing

honest kernel
#

soooo

true fable
#

and you buddy boy

mossy zinc
#

Computer, end Emergency Guan Yu Holographic program.

honest kernel
#

You can filter the aspects out

#

But yeah

solar maple
#

bablo made them popular when he did his quest to get every aspect wr

wintry berry
#

On sr.com, you can sort by aspect even if UI is quite inconvenient

true fable
#

astoas is a beowulf player

gaunt fiber
#

That's super cool

true fable
#

his mortal enemy is a doomstone with 4 plats

daring hedge
#

and he never gets hit by traps

#

ever

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

Stahp

edgy arrow
#

astaos what is that clip

gaunt fiber
#

Shhhhh

edgy arrow
#

why didn’t you just summon

true fable
#

i cant watch that clip without laughing

#

its my favorite clip in hades

gaunt fiber
edgy arrow
#

you had 5 uses of antos

#

one click could have ended it

gaunt fiber
#

Because I never summon on doomstone

true fable
#

what about now

gaunt fiber
#

Well

daring hedge
#

summoning in tartarus at high heat? couldn't be me

gaunt fiber
#

I handle it nicely

true fable
#

hmm

gaunt fiber
#

I swear mr bridhe

#

I made a lot of progress on the aspect

#

well I could only improve

true fable
#

astoos

edgy arrow
#

i meg doomstone everytime lol

gaunt fiber
#

I don't summon on doomstone because it's free on GY, you pierce with special, strips the armor and you can even stunlock it with mini spin

north dove
#

meg would not approve of that

gaunt fiber
#

So you can exit the room with your whole 25 hp

true fable
#

i dont summon on doomstone

edgy arrow
#

i mean, fair

solar maple
#

beo also can do it with no summon

gaunt fiber
solar maple
#

I just usually do because it's annoying

edgy arrow
#

sadly beo’s one weakness is small gaps in the floor

solar maple
#

and I'm bad at using summons lol

true fable
#

but also most of my beo doomstone fights look nothing like that clip

gaunt fiber
#

surprising

north dove
#

just use your special dusa

honest kernel
solar maple
#

the only essential meg on beo is barge I think

edgy arrow
#

geometry banned

true fable
#

i love the latt clip

#

lol

solar maple
#

you can get away with not summoning in basically every other fight

edgy arrow
true fable
#

yee i agree swaydo

solar maple
#

ohokwy is a madlad

daring hedge
#

not using meg for MM barge is just a slog

edgy arrow
#

it’s probably a bad idea lol

north dove
#

do you meg butterfly ball on beo?

solar maple
#

I usually meg ball

edgy arrow
#

i use summons in tartarus too much probably, and so i need to save them somewhere

solar maple
#

I don't if it's an athena reward and I need to die

edgy arrow
#

but sneak and doomstone are annoying and easy to meg

solar maple
#

but other than that if I have 3+ summons on it I use it

mossy zinc
#

m a little bit out of practice with Malphon, I noticed. I sometimes summon Meg on armor when I have Breaching Cross, which is just silly.

daring hedge
#

i just like how clean it works out when you don't summon in tartarus. 1 for anywhere in aspho, elysium twice and styx twice

solar maple
#

I meg tart miniboss, aspho miniboss, elysium miniboss, heroes, and dad

edgy arrow
#

i like to meg in Styx tho

#

so i often try to save the aspho miniboss

gaunt fiber
#

Even powercouple

true fable
daring hedge
#

you don't need to save it in aspho if you don't use it in tart :)

true fable
solar maple
#

I can't not flex the 4 witch meg

edgy arrow
#

honestly it would probably save more time if i saved the tart miniboss instead

edgy arrow
#

i do meg them a lot tho

solar maple
#

I meg aspho miniboss 100% of the time

true fable
#

i always do the 4 witch lol

edgy arrow
#

idk i kinda just feel it out i guess

solar maple
#

unless I have DC

daring hedge
#

i never meg witches lol

solar maple
#

then I don't meg witches

true fable
#

i dont meg power coup if im feeling powerful

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, I try not to summon in Tartarus unless I have a bad curse or something.

north dove
#

I sometimes use meg on lernie if it's blue head

edgy arrow
solar maple
#

I don't think saving megs really matters much on beo tbh

daring hedge
#

yeah deleting blue is really nice sometimes

true fable
#

it doesnt matter at all

solar maple
#

the later fights you usually have enough damage to make up for meg in like 5 seconds

#

max

true fable
#

might as well use them early when youre weak

#

better time

north dove
#

I always save 1 charge for the EM4 fight though

solar maple
#

I've even thought of using bouldy to try to buy more boons lol

gaunt fiber
#

these beo players

#

addicted to boons

solar maple
#

give boons pls

true fable
#

boons are good

edgy arrow
true fable
#

i think bouldys not a bad idea actually

#

its like coin purse start

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

you use summon before midshop to buy a boon

edgy arrow
#

how much gold does bouldy drop?

true fable
#

100?

edgy arrow
#

for real?

solar maple
#

not 100 per summon lol

edgy arrow
#

that’s loads

true fable
#

not sure

solar maple
#

more like 30

edgy arrow
#

oh right

mossy zinc
#

I've only been using Battie.

true fable
#

oh

#

nvm

solar maple
#

so like 150 total

edgy arrow
#

100 per summon would be ridiculous

true fable
#

forget about it pseudo

solar maple
#

yeah it's bad

true fable
#

strat is dead

solar maple
#

there is a reason I thought about it and still don't do it

gaunt fiber
#

yeah but paired with ocean's bounty

#

since poseidon is in your pool

daring hedge
#

but the skelly erebus dream is surely still alive

unique zephyr
#

Antos has really helped me on my 40 heat clear bc I needed it vs the furies

shy plinth
unique zephyr
#

To not time out

honest kernel
#

That moment when the money dropped by shady summon got nerfed

#

lol

mossy zinc
#

30 is as good as 100 if it's all you need to buy another boon.

true fable
#

id prefer 100 but i get your point

edgy arrow
#

idk if that’s how math works

gaunt fiber
#

I'm often 1/2/3 golds off

shy plinth
#

30 is as good as 100 if you hit your breakpoint for the last purchase you're going to make...

solar maple
#

bouldy is 1k damage and 30 gold

true fable
#

dont forget the meta progression

solar maple
#

if it was 100 gold per summon I would use it every time

gaunt fiber
#

you'd prefer 30 damage and 1k gold?

true fable
#

some people tryna get titles

shy plinth
#

Hoarding slash meta

honest kernel
#

I wonder if I could have used bouldy in my routed 64 heat clear for that gold. The route had to be hotfixed, and needed gold RNG to go right

mossy zinc
true fable
#

oo

shy plinth
#

You still have a last purchase at some point

true fable
#

probably baj

edgy arrow
honest kernel
#

No

edgy arrow
#

i scratched my head at that

honest kernel
#

Rav will messed with the RNG pool

edgy arrow
#

ah

true fable
#

^

honest kernel
#

AKA, the Killing Freeze didn't show up

edgy arrow
#

fair enough

mossy zinc
#

Oh yeah.

edgy arrow
#

i know nothing about routing lol

mossy zinc
#

Fair point, for a hat.

solar maple
#

also I was messing with 64 heat routing stuff

#

I am amazed by cgull now

shy plinth
#

Wizards have pointy hats jorbsWizard

true fable
#

the bird flies

shy plinth
#

Were you not amazed by cgull before tho

honest kernel
#

that jorbs emote

#

nice

shy plinth
#

Jorbs is OP

honest kernel
#

ca-CAW

shy plinth
#

Poj

solar maple
#

we digging?

honest kernel
#

Always

mossy zinc
#

“ca-CAW”—@honest kernel, 2021

true fable
#

ive always been amazed by how seagull strikes a balance between being a memeposter and an actual good player

#

usually people choose to spec into one path or the other

solar maple
#

I'm a good player at categories that are meme posts

edgy arrow
#

beo 54 isn’t a meme post tho

honest kernel
#

or 54 heat

#

really

edgy arrow
#

^

mossy zinc
true fable
#

ive dabbled

edgy arrow
#

is there some kind of equation here

true fable
#

neither here nor there really i mostly play valheim now

solar maple
gaunt fiber
#

sad times

edgy arrow
#

does this mean the more memes you post, the worse at the game you get

#

if so that explains a lot for me

mossy zinc
#

I see. So you forgot to spec your points.

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
#

Astaos is powered by memes.

gaunt fiber
#

You think so?

edgy arrow
#

aren’t we all powered by memes, deep down?

gaunt fiber
#

The thing is

#

"powered" here seems a bit too literal

#

and tends to deny my humanity

honest kernel
#

Astaos, you are the best Guan-Yu player I know of, a weapon that is just so different from the others. One of the most meme weapons I could think of is Guan-Yu, next to like Gilgamesh

edgy arrow
#

i mean, i for one am literally powered by memes

#

i’ll just deflate if i don’t inject them in liquid form into my veins every morning

gaunt fiber
#

I...

#

I'll take the compliment

#

Meme weapon hurts a bit

solar maple
#

astaos you are a very good GY player

mossy zinc
#

At this point, @gaunt fiber is the meme.

true fable
#

and so he left, less man than meme

gaunt fiber
#

lol

mossy zinc
true fable
#

astaos you are a good player who has been throwing for content for a while

edgy arrow
#

what if the real meme was the friends we made along the way

gaunt fiber
#

You can feel the power of that clip

#

just by the triple pre load at the beginning

solar maple
#

watching the astaos beo play was actually really fun

#

because you could see him getting better every run

mossy zinc
#

You mean less bad.

gaunt fiber
#

Thanks Mr. Bright

true fable
#

so with doomstone if youre not gonna summon you better get him to a wall quickly

#

if you cant do that a panic summon is always fine

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

hey

#

I've grown

#

I crush doomstone nowadays

edgy arrow
#

it’s true my friends are memes

#

nice

#

how do you fair against beo’s final boss; meg?

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

lmao

edgy arrow
#

actually the joke that meg is weirdly hard with beo doesn’t work here because you play GY where meg is actually hard

mossy zinc
#

She's hard on Beowulf with RI3+ and TD3.

edgy arrow
#

yes

mossy zinc
#

If you make it that far without timing out.

edgy arrow
#

timing out in tartarus isn’t the biggest issue with that, unless you have really bad rooms maybe

solar maple
#

I time out with DC2 and witch rooms

#

other than that timer is ez

edgy arrow
#

yeah

solar maple
#

in tart at least

#

I time out in elysium/styx sometimes

#

aspho timer is super free

edgy arrow
#

but with RI3 you prolly wouldn’t be running as much JS/CP

#

unless you’re doing like mirrorless 50

solar maple
#

lol

#

who would try mirrorless 50

edgy arrow
#

wait no that’s actually something you’ve tried

solar maple
#

that sounds stupid

edgy arrow
#

nvm

true fable
#

pseudo i dunno if you saw but i revisited 50 heat beo for the first time in a while yesterday

edgy arrow
#

lol i forgot

true fable
#

but forgot to switch to stubborns

solar maple
#

lol

true fable
#

you were right

#

timer is EZPZ

#

almost made it to dad but messed up a styx tunnel lol

solar maple
#

50 heat DDs is crazy

chilly sun
#

40 heat with beowulf done

#

did a lot in one day :O

edgy arrow
#

😮

#

fully loaded

#

it’s real

true fable
#

gz percy

solar maple
#

must be a doctored photo

#

has fully loaded

chilly sun
edgy arrow
#

also: congrats!

solar maple
#

but yeah, congrats!

chilly sun
#

and omg you found me out 😔✌️

shy plinth
#

That's a lot of cast stones

true fable
#

gods legacy usually does more for beo fwiw

#

mirage shot is too good

solar maple
#

oh wait fully loaded dio beo

#

holy damage

honest kernel
#

Portable nuke is real on that build

edgy arrow
#

got fully loaded and mirage on beo with god’s *pride

chilly sun
#

portable nuke? :O

edgy arrow
#

damage = big

solar maple
#

god's legacy is a scam, just get all the duos on pride

chilly sun
#

AND OMG I LEFT GOD'S LEGACY ON HELP

#

I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE

edgy arrow
#

no you’re running god’s pride in that screenshot

chilly sun
#

god's pride my bad

true fable
chilly sun
#

I always run legacy but I think i was doing something with crush shot beforehand

#

and i wanted rarity

#

and i left pride on

honest kernel
#

Mirror is a scam anyways

solar maple
#

yeah I've been running neither in my recent runs

#

56 heat 😦

true fable
#

sounds tox

chilly sun
#

:[

edgy arrow
#

anyway, you got all the boons so i guess it doesn’t matter

solar maple
#

gods pride into common cast and all duos is the classic

chilly sun
#

It's just crazy to me

#

I got like, 5 or 6 artemis boons

#

got mirage shot out of tartarus like, twice in the same day

edgy arrow
#

sounds like a good day haha

chilly sun
#

So i was like. screw it we're gonna highroll and went for fully loaded, and even got cucked out of the pre-reqs in the asphodel miniboss

#

It was great!

edgy arrow
#

oh with dio start especially

#

that’s crazy

chilly sun
#

a good way to wind down after working out

north dove
#

the 55 heat dash nova zag sword run vid is up on the spreadsheet 👀

solar maple
#

you're crazy retrash

#

I'll be sure to watch that one

unique zephyr
#

Had a great 32 heat spear attempt, then I died to the heroes in Elysium.

eager vortex
#

damn I ran out of time on td2 heat 32 again

#

why am I so damn slow

unique zephyr
#

Which aspect are you using and are you using jury summons calisthenics program or damage control

#

Any of those can add surprising amounts of time to your run

eager vortex
#

JS3 CP2 DC2 yes

#

gy aspect

unique zephyr
#

Hm, what’s your whole pact? The above is the reason you’re timing out

#

JS3 and CP2 together are brutal on timer

eager vortex
#

if I tone them down I gotta take UC

#

and I don't like UC

#

sad

unique zephyr
#

UC is fine though

#

You have to remember it exists until styx but there are way worse places to put 2 heat

#

I always have UC on in high heat

eager vortex
#

just gotta keep one boon that you can let go of ?

unique zephyr
#

Yup

#

Take boons to sell

eager vortex
#

hmm

#

would help with td2 I guess

unique zephyr
#

Sometimes if you have two crappy boons you take higher rarity because it sells for more

#

Oh for sure

eager vortex
#

then there is td3 idk how people are doing that

#

damn

unique zephyr
#

What is your pact

eager vortex
#

like the whole heat list ?

unique zephyr
#

Yeah

eager vortex
#

sec

unique zephyr
#

I fail TD3 a decent amount and it’s hard but it’s playing better as well as aggressively taking mid shops and chaos

#

And story rooms

#

Mid shops will give you boons to sell anyway if you have enoug money

eager vortex
#

hl3 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp1 mm fo1 dc2 td2

unique zephyr
#

Hm, do BP2 first of all

eager vortex
#

some combos are brutal tho

#

spooky

unique zephyr
#

It’s 3 more heat, it sucks but there are worse

#

For 5 heat total

#

I assume you won’t do FO2 right

bright mango
#

JS3 and CP2!!!!

#

AT 32!!!

eager vortex
#

k then I get rid of heats that make mobs tankier and more in numbers and take those ?

bright mango
#

Wat

solar maple
#

and DC2 gy 😦

bright mango
#

Oh god

solar maple
#

that sounds pretty miserable ngl haha

unique zephyr
#

They are timing out in TD2

bright mango
#

Astaos avoided dc the best he could at 50

solar maple
#

yeah that's why

bright mango
#

^^^

unique zephyr
#

First of all

bright mango
#

This is my standard 32 pact

#

It works really well for all weapons

shy plinth
#

I'm on HL1 CF0 FO2 and otherwise same as you

eager vortex
#

wait why can't I post victory screen here lol

bright mango
#

Yeah I’ve started using fo2 after a bunch of 40 runs

unique zephyr
#

If you are willing to use forced overtime 2 then LC4 EM3 BP2 FO2 MM UC TD3 works

bright mango
#

This was my beginner 32 pact

unique zephyr
#

You avoid convenience fee this way

eager vortex
#

do I need like colored name for that

unique zephyr
#

Pengy’s pact was my first 32 as well

waxen relic
shy plinth
eager vortex
#

I want to post my heat 33 victory so you can see the heats

unique zephyr
#

With FO1 you can get rid of convenience fee bc CF icky

#

TD3 is very hard but worth getting used to

#

Sack rng exists but other rng is more important for your run

#

2 and 3 sack are reasonably likely

eager vortex
#

I'll do what you said, hopefully time will be less of a concern somehow

shy plinth
#

You picked the slowest pacts

eager vortex
#

and people were surprised how I was picking my heats for 32 so

#

I am doing it wrong I guess

shy plinth
#

Not wrong if you're clearing

#

But if you wanna go faster, I'd start there 🙂

unique zephyr
#

It’s very easy to underestimate how much slower even just JS1 is compared to JS0

eager vortex
shy plinth
#

Yeah td1 makes sense there

#

You're picking the boons that slow down the run, that's fine if you don't have a timer on

#

But all of those effects compound pretty significantly

#

And really it's worth getting used to UC

solar maple
#

nah you could swap TD2 with all the CP

shy plinth
#

It's super not that bad

solar maple
#

then you would have enough time and all the fights would be easier

unique zephyr
#

UC is very worth getting used to

shy plinth
#

Yeah CP2 is so painful

unique zephyr
#

Most other places to put 2 heat is more painful

solar maple
#

especially on something like chaos CP2 is a huge time loss

#

and makes fights much harder

bright mango
#

I’d take td3

eager vortex
#

I am more afraid of td2 than cp2 shadeembarassed

unique zephyr
#

I’m glad I found a 32 pact that lets me avoid convenience fee

solar maple
#

the reason TD2 is scary is because you take CP2 haha

unique zephyr
#

CP2 makes TD2 worse is the thing

shy plinth
#

Yep, JS3 does the same

#

And DC as well

#

All of these add time

unique zephyr
#

You will probably save minutes not having those pacts

solar maple
#

I would guess CP2 on its own cost at least 3 mins

unique zephyr
#

Especially in tartarus

#

Elysium I imagine sucks a lot with CP2 as well

eager vortex
#

okay so pick cp2 if I am going td1, pick cp1 and get rid of js for td2

shy plinth
#

I wouldn't pick cp2 at all tbh

#

Like it just makes the game so much harder

solar maple
#

I would go cp0 tbh

unique zephyr
#

Calisthenics package is a trap

eager vortex
#

okay no cp

solar maple
#

chaos is pretty good vs large groups, and bosses slowly

bright mango
#

Seriously tho if you are planning on going higher in heat get used to td2/3

unique zephyr
#

^

#

I had to get used to TD3

solar maple
#

some of my 50 heat chaos attempts had CP0

eager vortex
#

I also need to get used to sacrificing my boons cuz I rly don't like uc

unique zephyr
#

TD3 you still fail a lot keep in mind, it’s a tight timer

#

But it is 6 heat total

solar maple
#

keep in mind that you do still get gold from UC

unique zephyr
#

Choose boon rooms more often

#

Also buy boons from shop

patent isle
#

TD3 is so scary

solar maple
#

also you seem to not mind CF, which actually loses you more boons than UC

unique zephyr
#

That’ll be hard with convenience fee though

patent isle
#

is FO2 faster spawns than FO1

shy plinth
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20% faster yes

patent isle
unique zephyr
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CF2 really sucks

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Even CF1 isn’t great

eager vortex
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I always go cf max

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mistake ?

shy plinth
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Boons are dope

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Buy boons

unique zephyr
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I learned forced overtime 2 partly to avoid cf

solar maple
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not necessarily

patent isle
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i feel like with CF you just skip all the shops right

unique zephyr
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Also with TD3 you go into mid shops always

solar maple
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I'm just saying that UC is much easier than CF2

patent isle
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oh right

unique zephyr
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You want to be able to buy things in mid shops

patent isle
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shops save a chamber

bright mango
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On my 32 now I just use lc2 and go with death defiance’s

unique zephyr
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UC is way easier than CF2

solar maple
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woops

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yeah easier

unique zephyr
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Easier not harder whoops

shy plinth
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The ol double edit

eager vortex
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wait when you go to shop it's actually counted as a completed chamber ?

bright mango
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I slap on fo2 and em4

eager vortex
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I still dunno much huh

bright mango
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So can just kinda chill

patent isle
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oh yeah when do you guys do stubborn vs DD

solar maple
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all chambers count yes

unique zephyr
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Yes shop counts as completed chamber

eager vortex
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that's nice

solar maple
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shop, chaos, story, etc

bright mango
unique zephyr
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Stubborn for LC4

patent isle
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ah ok