h1-high-heat-strategies

[quartz mantle]

High skill floor and high skill ceiling type weapon

[solar maple]

he got it on about his third try of asking cgull

and yeah zues shield is one of the best high heat weapons. I'm not really experienced on it and I got 50 with it easier than rama/hesta (still don't have those). It's also quite a hard weapon

[true fable]

oh you got zeus 50 pseudo?

[light stag]

What does "routed" mean? Did make set the route?

[bright mango]

Its basically throwing yourself at the game until you get a good route

Using summons to change rng

Thats just my base knowledge of it

[true fable]

so the game determines everything between boons, enemies, etc based on a seed

routing is picking that seed and manipulating rng using casts/summons to increment the rng in order to determine future chamber rewards/etc

[bright mango]

^^^

[solar maple]

yep 🙂

win screen

now I'm just a shield 1 trick instead of a beo 1 trick

[light stag]

So it seeded, just the advanced type

I just take it that all seeded runs are routed, otherwise you get just the first few rooms predetermined

[bright mango]

Routed takes an extreme amount of time

Not all seeded runs are routed

For example seeding a specific hammer first room

[true fable]

technically no but functionally yes

we have to treat seeded runs as routed just because there's no way to prove otherwise

[light stag]

So cgull has reached Hades multiple times on 64

Up until the last Pom from the shop

[tropic stream]

chaos and zag done

that's 9/24

shield completely finished

now what

all shield
chiron
poseidon
achilles
eris
demeter

probably bow next

[unique zephyr]

Lucifer?

[tropic stream]

?

[unique zephyr]

Lucifer rail aspect

The laser one

[tropic stream]

yes

wdym

[unique zephyr]

You asked for ideas on what to do next

Aspect wise

[tropic stream]

ah

i was asking more for weapon lol

i mean rail's probably next after bow

[true fable]

could do rama

[tropic stream]

i'm going weapon by weapon

did shield first because block op

gonna do bow next because i just like rama and hera

and i need zag bow practise

spear is just

eq

ew

sword

maybe?

zag sword isn't that enticing

fists i don't know how to play talos

i suck

then with eris i'm at least decent with everything

rail not eris

lmao

[solar maple]

cgull created the route using mods, savestates, and lower heat. He isn't actually good enough at zeus shield to play the route fully. Then baj played it out on an unmodded game

[true fable]

cgull i think youre good enough to play the route fully 🥺

on a serious note, yeah, cgull routed using only pacts that were relevant to RNG

so things like JS or TD don't really matter

[solemn pulsar]

I kept most of them

To get an idea for how hellish the rooms would be

Only turned off LC and HL and RI4 really (did RI3 for dash distance)
But I had savestates and stuff

And when I had to redo elysium and Styx I said screw it and put in a 0 damage mod lol

[solar maple]

wasn't trying to insult cgull haha

64 heat is rough, and baj is inane as zeus

baj good

cgull also good

[solemn pulsar]

Cgull not that good lol. The rooms are easy enough that if I grind the bosses in practice I could probably do it eventually, but with all the nonsense in Tartarus we had to add to save the route, I don’t really want to run it LOL

[unique zephyr]

Is god mode used for routing (to reduce damage)? Just curious

I’m kinda curious a bit as to how routing works

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/819064097046921236/unknown.png man... 56 heat zag sword was so close to being a reality

until triple butterfly ball happened

[solemn pulsar]

I used a mod to reduce damage when I rerouted elysium @unique zephyr, but otherwise no. It’s easy enough for an experienced player to not take too much damage, and I used save states a lot

Ugh retrash that sucks

Em4 adds are a roulette wheel of run ending at that level

You had the big chop and everything

[north dove]

it was doing work, I definitely had enough time to beat TD3 too

[solemn pulsar]

You had tooth too so it’s not like the butterflies just drained acorn they actually devoured you

Rough

[north dove]

at least doing this is more fun than unseeded nem

[daring hedge]

holy hell retrash, with the lightning strike big chop too

also extremely late but @honest kernel huge congrats

[true fable]

i know i was tryna make a funny lol

rip retrash

if you got that close once you can def do it again tho

i believe

[north dove]

I'll definitely keep trying

[wanton plover]

peepohappy

[north dove]

not today though, it's too late for gaming

[true fable]

sad

good to have you back doing runs retrash 🙂

high heat is better with retrash doing things that shouldnt work

[unique zephyr]

I have a plan for 40 heat Hestia, I think I may be able to achieve this before 32 for any other weapon

Here is a pact idea:
HL5
LC4
CF2
EM3
BP2
UC
MM
FO2 (new pact)
AP1 (new pact, Hestia doesn’t need very much to work)
TD3

Any suggestions for change on the pact? I added FO2 and AP1 to my 32 pact I used for the 32 clear

I can’t try it till tomorrow

I’m mainly not sure if another 2 heat would work better than AP1 and if so what heat

I’m getting good at FO2 and TD3 so I’m only worried about approval process and BP2 interacting with FO2

Also FO2 HL5 being very dangerous but that’ll just be solved by me dodging better lol

[mossy zinc]

I'd take something like CP1 HS over AP1, but it sounds fine.

[austere gorge]

agree i would also take CP1 HS over AP1 but that's a preference 🙂

[shy plinth]

Could also start going jury summons there

[austere gorge]

omfg it's RidiculousHat

huge fan

[shy plinth]

Thank you 🙂

[wanton plover]

wait hat youre famous

[shy plinth]

I guess so lol

I'm a bit more recognizable in my other game

But man do I play a lot of Hades

[wanton plover]

yea i play hs too and i love vs

can’t believe i only found out now

[austere gorge]

wait i really love your hades podcast content haha

i listen to it all the time while working out

[shy plinth]

Hooray!

That's hype, I'm glad people are diggin the show

[wanton plover]

peepohappy

[unique zephyr]

Wont CP or JS mess with TD3?

[mossy zinc]

Yes, but so would AP1.

[solar maple]

personally I prefer JS1 to CP1, but it's just preference

yeah both are slow

so if you are timing out avoid them

[unique zephyr]

How does AP1 slow me down?

[solar maple]

AP1 lowers your damage

by giving you a worse build

[unique zephyr]

Does shackle work?

[solar maple]

don't do shackle at AP1

just start with an attack boon

[unique zephyr]

Artemis attack then

[solar maple]

shackle is good for AP2 + RI where attack boon start is inconsistent

[unique zephyr]

Is it more so I won’t get all the crit synergies

[solar maple]

yeah arty start for attack is good

[unique zephyr]

Where can I find the podcast? I want to get into podcasts but don’t know any

[solar maple]

AP1 just makes your build marginally worse in every way

[shy plinth]

https://twitter.com/HiddenAspects everything is linked here 🙂

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok thanks!

[mossy zinc]

Blatant #self-promotion outside of #self-promotion.

[shy plinth]

I was asked!!!

[solar maple]

[unique zephyr]

I did ask him

[mossy zinc]

That's not for me to decide. It's out of my hands now.

[unique zephyr]

I now remember I listrned some of this, I didn’t know it was yours

I think I actually know edelweiss from another discord if it’s the same edelweiss

[shy plinth]

Yeah I have a problem where I start podcasts about things I'm interested in and now I have approximately too many

It probably is lol

But maybe not

It's a surprisingly common name

[mossy zinc]

[unique zephyr]

I didn’t know it was that common, interesting lol. Something to watch when I have to rest , yay 🙂

[shy plinth]

Anyways yeah I prefer JS over CP just because CP makes your boss fights really unpleasant

And JS1 really isn't tha bad for TD3

[austere gorge]

maybe we can agree that HS is harder than CP and JS? maybe take CP and JS and forget HS?

[mossy zinc]

JS1 means you'll always need more shots to clear a wave. CP1 can often require the same number of shots to kill an enemy.

[static plover]

it's possible to post in #self-promotion and ping the person who asked 😉

[mossy zinc]

I wouldn't agree.

[austere gorge]

that's fair, tbh i don't agree either haha

[mossy zinc]

lol

[shy plinth]

I'll be better next time!

[solar maple]

in my experience JS is harder on the timer than CP, but CP is more likely to kill you

though CP is also quite slow

[shy plinth]

"Would you rather be dead now or dead later"

But yeah I think CP is both slow and also sometimes you just die

[solar maple]

yeah I avoid CP whenever possible

[shy plinth]

It messes me up whenever my meg breakpoints change

[solar maple]

my 50 heat zeus shield run had CP0 haha

[shy plinth]

I never play around lernie surviving a meg

[solar maple]

I was not on hell mode just to avoid CP lol

[austere gorge]

i'd take JS1 and HS

[solar maple]

something to keep in mind is that how fast you are is a very personal thing. Fiddle around with it until you have enough time and can still clear

and yeah I would do what dakota said

but again, that's for me

[shy plinth]

Heightened security is more obviously punishing and I think is kinda prone to BS moments

But if you go too high on CP/JS you'll just time out and your runs will feel unsatisfying

[mossy zinc]

JS1 means more Witches, more Chariots, more Greatshields, etc.

[shy plinth]

None of them are particularly enjoyable

But as many are known to say - the heat has to come from somewhere

[shy gulch]

usually i pick JS before CP but im not sure how much of that is habit

[shy plinth]

You will know very clearly when you die to HS and it will be a bit less obvious when you die to JS or CP, but you're probs more likely to face negative consequences in a run from those two

[shy gulch]

i just dont like bosses taking forever

[solar maple]

the nice thing about JS is that it doesn't affect bosses

while CP affects both bosses and normal rooms

[mossy zinc]

I've practiced CP2 bosses so much, CP1 and CP0 feel like a relief.

[shy plinth]

Ugh CP2 bosses

[mossy zinc]

BP2 combos concern me a lot more than boss fights with Hestia.

[shy gulch]

yeah they can be a tad rough lmao

[mossy zinc]

Hestia has the easiest time with bosses.

[solar maple]

not if you step on a pot and choke on 50 heat like me 🙂

[shy gulch]

:)

[mossy zinc]

Well.

Don't do that.

[shy plinth]

Wait did someone say that a non-beo weapon had the easiest time with bosses

Pseudo you're right here

[solar maple]

lol

I'm a well rounded player now

master of all the aspects

[mossy zinc]

Hestia can do RI4 and still have very chill boss fights.

[shy plinth]

This is a brave new world

Only if you find Demeter attack

[solar maple]

so can beo

🙂

did you see my 40 heat mirrorless?

2 acorn charges left after dad

though zeus is the best RI4 weapon imo

[mossy zinc]

The odds of me having watched a run that isn't by Lady Aphrodite are usually very close to 0 lol.

[solar maple]

nah I didn't record

[shy plinth]

That has been proven multiple times in the last 24 hours

[solar maple]

but the winscreen had 2 acorn charges

[mossy zinc]

Aha!

So you were hacking.

[solar maple]

[shy plinth]

An acorn is technically a kind of seed

Seeded run confirmed

[solar maple]

several times?

did I miss something other than baj's 64?

[mossy zinc]

But yeah, Beowulf is also very good at boss fights.

[shy plinth]

That and your mirrorless 40

2 is several

[solar maple]

that was beo lol

not zeus

[shy plinth]

Oh

Well

Carry on.

[mossy zinc]

DPS just sucks with RI4. Hestia isn't as affected.

[solar maple]

beo is not a good RI4 weapon yeah haha

[shy plinth]

Shackle beo is OP on RI4

[solar maple]

but it does have very good/safe bossing in general

[shy gulch]

yeah beo RI4 sounds miserable

[solar maple]

it's not that bad once you get a +cast

then it's just like dio beo but with way less damage

I did mirrorless 40 with it, but I would not recommend it

beo good

alright I need to change my nickname back

[mossy zinc]

Withdrawal?

[solar maple]

maybe a little

[shy plinth]

Had a little flare-up?

[mossy zinc]

Punny.

Let's not Rush to conclusions.

[shy plinth]

You're really Dragon that one out

[wanton plover]

[mossy zinc]

Block me if you don't like it.

[shy plinth]

Nah it's fine, we should stop Flooding this channel anyway

[mossy zinc]

You're always Naegling.

[unique zephyr]

40 heat is hard LMAO, not even mad (died to fast high attack numbskulls)

Is chaos not worth the time save with AP1 or is it sometimes right to take Chaos?

[honest kernel]

chaos is pretty useful I think

esp when you still have rerolls

[vital grove]

Always in Tartarus

Always in Asph if the other options aren't a free room

Consider it wisely in Elysium

[honest kernel]

I lost a run to chaos offering me bad stuff in elysium yeah

I often still take it bc hell yeah skip room

[unique zephyr]

Bablo is godlike at this game to streak 40 heat

like how even

and with every aspect twice, such skill

i wonder if I should just work on getting a 32 on the other weapons lol

but I feel most comfy with Hestia

FO2 + HL5 = death (so far all in tartarus lol)

[wanton plover]

yea i especially like how he explains his choices/opinions on stuff like boons/hammers/pacts etc

watched his stream a bunch when i was new

[vital grove]

I did 24x32 at some point and it helped me understand the game better even as I was doing 45 and 46 on my best aspects so definitely do that

[true fable]

i enjoyed doing 24x40

as phoenix said it helps you understand why certain things are bad/dangerous

having to think about a pact for each weapon makes it easier to understand why certain pacts hurt

[edgy arrow]

i enjoyed doing 21x40

very enjoyable

wym yes ofc that’s all the aspects

all 21 of them

[true fable]

nice

[solar maple]

bright I've designed a genius strategy for 50 heat chaos

it involves your tart sell wells looking like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/819167174446022716/Screen_Shot_2021-03-10_at_3.17.15_AM.png

[true fable]

💋

what a beautiful well

have you tried running AP2

its kind of comfy on chaos shield

just get merciful end and sea storm

[solar maple]

hmmm

I'm doing my zeus shield pact

so RI3 AP1

td3 is ez if you just get splitting 🙂

also how do you start with AP2? resets for special boon sounds stinky

[true fable]

i just take attack or special

i started blood filled vial i think

[solar maple]

I'll try it

when I inevitably choke this splitting run

wait do you do RI2?

or DC0

yep I died to bull miniboss LOL

[vital grove]

Ugh, chaos

I think I just decided on ME for that one

And weirdly it was special doom, Athena attack

Just went rush into throw into rush and that was enough

Impending Doom was clutch

[hearty onyx]

Special doom is good on Chaos

You can cover a whole room in doom

[worn current]

^

This feels rather nice

[hearty onyx]

It's definitely nice when I'm running away from flame wheels

[celest grail]

just block all flame wheels on a shield

dont need to run away from them

go to a corner and hold down your attack button

[hearty onyx]

That may be the safe option, but I like the thrill of running away from them

[honest kernel]

I liked chaos when it was still good

[mossy zinc]

Wasn't your first 32 with Hera Aspect, or do I misremember?

[solemn pulsar]

^ the reverse aspect hipster @honest kernel

[honest kernel]

nah my first was with hera

[mossy zinc]

Ah yes, just like I said.

[honest kernel]

but chaos prob second

[quartz mantle]

I'm a fan of bone bow

[mossy zinc]

It's odd that Chaos Aspect bored me while Aspect of +400% Charged Flight was somehow fun.

[solemn pulsar]

Big number >>> many small numbers

[honest kernel]

big numbers make big happy

yes

[quartz mantle]

Exactly

this is why Hestia > Eris

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm. I think it's more that Lady Aphrodite builds were far more practical on Beowulf than on Chaos Aspect.

[honest kernel]

[mossy zinc]

That's probably why since that's how my brain tends to work.

[solar maple]

you know you can go aphro cast beo

it is a good build

[hearty onyx]

However, many small numbers add up to big numbers

[mossy zinc]

m aware, yes. I mained Beowulf in Blood Price.

Chaos Aspect didn't have particularly good DPS in Early Access.

It was very safe, however.

[hearty onyx]

Damn I wished I could have played Chaos during Early access

My favorite shield aspect when it was even better

[mossy zinc]

The change allows for more build diversity on it.

The Special used to spread in a star pattern.

[hearty onyx]

Not just that

The shields tracked

[mossy zinc]

They just bounced off walls. They can't do that anymore. Only the main shield bounces.

[solemn pulsar]

i wish the main shield didn't bounce

give it back

so i can attack sooner

[mossy zinc]

In my research, I've found if you leave the shield in the courtyard, you never have to wait for the catch.

[edgy arrow]

lol tryna sub 10 with nem, i keep getting like the exact same time with progressively better builds

what i'm trying to say is, i'm a pro speedrunner ya'll would be impressed

[mossy zinc]

Nemesis anything sounds like an exercise in disappointment.

[edgy arrow]

oof

rip nemesis

[solemn pulsar]

nyaa has strong nem bias

[quartz mantle]

Alright who told me Hazard bomb can't crit you

I just wanna talk

[mossy zinc]

It's not a bias. It is simple logic.

[hearty onyx]

How much damage does it do?

[mossy zinc]

None if you don't get hit.

[quartz mantle]

like 23

Purple Arty special but also purple Bronze Skin

Bronze skin is for comedy purposes

[mossy zinc]

Bronze Skin is very nice in eHP builds.

[quartz mantle]

It's also nice in Hazard Bomb Eris builds

[solemn pulsar]

hazard bomb does a % of your HP

so if it crits it does 3x that %

[quartz mantle]

I thought it was 1% of the damage

[solemn pulsar]

i think that's the base damage

[quartz mantle]

That's what the wiki said

[solemn pulsar]

and then it still applies all modifiers

since i saw it hitting for 7 once

and i did not have 700 HP

[quartz mantle]

Yea that's what I'm saying

I don't think it's based on your health

[solemn pulsar]

no i'm pretty sure it is

i think the 1% is the base damage

and then all your normal modifiers are applied, which explains why it can crit

[quartz mantle]

Oh ok I see what you're saying

The wiki says "Deals 1% damage to Zag himself"

[solemn pulsar]

the wiki is wrong

[quartz mantle]

Sick

[solemn pulsar]

they datamine a lot of stuff

so i'm assuming the 1% is correct somewhere

but then they didn't account for other stuff

[quartz mantle]

So it would be 1% of your Hp, then adding any bonuses you have as well

[solemn pulsar]

just like how they datamined the fishing odds, but didn't see that there was a bug in the fishing code that completely invalidates the odds put in the code lol

[quartz mantle]

Lmao

[solemn pulsar]

how it was originally would have been a pain

so i'm glad there was a bug, and they decided not to change it when they found out

[quartz mantle]

Nice

[edgy arrow]

i remember at the time i was like "idk seems more like about 50/50 to me" and everyone told me they had data from the code and i just wasn't paying attention and had confirmation bias

[quartz mantle]

I like it when devs don't fix bugs because they're better

[edgy arrow]

i've never felt more vindicated in my life

[solemn pulsar]

lol

the bug is actually really funny

[dire steppe]

it deals 1% of the damage of the hazard bomb

not 1% of zag’s hp

[solemn pulsar]

if true, that would make a lot more sense

[quartz mantle]

That's what I thought it would

[unique zephyr]

I notice I always get blue laurel rooms after an Erebus gate, do I always get blue laurel rooms choices or is this just a coincidence

[mossy zinc]

Coincidence.

[unique zephyr]

OK, good to know, thanks 🙂

[solar maple]

after reading the wiki and my brother telling me the fish odds I was so confused that I started tracking my fish data

and did a statistical analysis to prove that the wiki was wrong LOL

[solemn pulsar]

typo in the code LOL

[solar maple]

I tracked 29 fish catches haha

[solemn pulsar]

i think even like 5 might have been enough to prove it at like 90%

given it was claiming 1/21 for the rarer on elol

[solar maple]

yeah 16/29 fish being of the rare variety was a bit excessive. Very high confidence in the result

[bronze viper]

I've gotten 7 Scyllascions in a row lol.

[edgy arrow]

yeah tbh idk how people ever believed it was 5%

it’s patently obviously false if you pay attention at all

[bronze viper]

People also said sacks were 25/25/25/25

[edgy arrow]

the same is true for that

[solar maple]

they are probably lying to themselves about getting perfect catches when they aren't

[solemn pulsar]

well there is a 25% roll in there

[solar maple]

while I, a true gamer, always get perfect catches

[solemn pulsar]

it's ust

there's others

[edgy arrow]

anyone who thinks that there’s a 25% chance of a 5 sack obviously doesn’t get to styx very much at all

[solemn pulsar]

and even if it was just 1 25% roll per tunnel it wouldn't be 25% per each sack number

[solar maple]

of the 29 recorded fish, 24 were perfect. Sloppy

[bronze viper]

I think I've gotten 2 or 3 5-sacks clears on my HM save period

(thanks TD2)

[solar maple]

my 40 heat fists clear was 5 sack

[true fable]

how wild would it be if it were a flat 20/20/20/20/20

[solar maple]

but that was not HM

[bronze viper]

What is the first 20 :3

[edgy arrow]

wouldn’t that be super annoying for speedruns

[solar maple]

that would be miserable

[edgy arrow]

80% chance run is scuffed

[solemn pulsar]

1 sack GRIND

[true fable]

well

as in sack is preset tunnel

lmao

[bronze viper]

lol

[solar maple]

yeah 1 sack rng would be even more annoying

[true fable]

i like to think they considered that and shot it down real quick

[bronze viper]

Ngl I have had several runs that would have died on the spot in a 1 sack if I needed Athena DD

[solemn pulsar]

SGG "how has nobody ever gotten a 1 sack? it's possible! they're just picking the wrong tunnels every single time. It's very improbable"

[edgy arrow]

yeah turns out we’re just really bad at picking doors

it was preset all along

[solar maple]

at first I thought it was always in the miniboss doors

[bronze viper]

The 1-sack is always behind the normal Obols door

[shy plinth]

I'm kinda surprised there's no pact to make sack rng worse

[solar maple]

so I accidentally did the correct strategy LOL

[bronze viper]

TD3 :3

[true fable]

there was that one person in speed disc who came in saying it couldnt be behind miniboss doors because theyd never gotten it in them in 100 runs

[edgy arrow]

lots of people seem to think it’s in the miniboss rooms

[bronze viper]

I mean that's pretty wild variance, you can't blame people for working with their own empirical data

[edgy arrow]

i think it’s because they see speedrunners always going for minibosses and assume it’s always there

[true fable]

yeah its fair

[bronze viper]

Yeah

[true fable]

we were just like

[bronze viper]

But even if you go double miniboss it's still 60ish% chance for a 2 sack

I pretty much just don't believe him lol

[solar maple]

I think I knew 1 sack wasn't possibe

[true fable]

oh no honey youre just super unlucky

[solar maple]

yeah I mean streaks of missing 2 sacks are possible

but not 100

[true fable]

yeah

[solar maple]

I've gotten 9 😦

dem fists cursed

[true fable]

i wonder what my record is

4 of my weapon PBs are still 3 sacks

[solar maple]

I swear I was good enough for sub 8 fists

and yet sub 9 was a grinnd

[true fable]

fists bad send tweet

[solar maple]

I mean I had 2 runs on sub 8 pace get 4-5 sacked

[true fable]

pain

[solar maple]

and the other 7 on sub 9 pace get 3+ sacked

finally pbed on 3 sack

[gaunt fiber]

sup

PROXY COME ON

[solar maple]

rip

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/b0dAP91

There it is.

[edgy arrow]

yusss

[solar maple]

was great to catch it live

[edgy arrow]

congrats Astaos!

if you get mirage shot you win the game

i knew it was true for non beo weapons

[wintry berry]

Welcome to the 50 heat club !

[gaunt fiber]

The run was like

super tight deadline but god boons

[true fable]

imperdable

[edgy arrow]

good boons like mirage shot

[true fable]

congrats boyo

[edgy arrow]

the core of your build

[true fable]

thats some impressive wave riding tbh

[bright mango]

yeah it was buttclenching at the hades fight

[edgy arrow]

and like hyper delivery i guess might have been slightly useful

[bronze viper]

A smidge

[bright mango]

At second phase we knew it was ggs

[true fable]

hyper delivery poseidons aid

[bright mango]

Poseidons aid was a carry

With rip current

[bronze viper]

Every run I get Rip Current feels incredibly carried lol. I absolutely love that boon

[edgy arrow]

same tbh

[true fable]

its busted lol

[solar maple]

my 54 heat clear was also a bit carried by pos call

[true fable]

instead of fighting every wave of enemies, your cycle becomes

[solar maple]

busted boon

[true fable]

fight wave > rip current > fight wave

lol

[edgy arrow]

once you defeat a wave, you get to become the wave

[bright mango]

This is a very pog clear

[true fable]

theres no other boon that instanukes a room of JS3 DC2 enemies quite like it

[bright mango]

Are you going to upload it to youtube @gaunt fiber?

[gaunt fiber]

sure thing

[bright mango]

pog

[gaunt fiber]

The run is worth watching

imo

[bright mango]

poggers

After two weeks and 1300 tries

There it is

[edgy arrow]

i’m certain it’s literally impossible to clear 50 heat GY in a way that isn’t worth watching

[bright mango]

It was probably around 500 for 50 heat

[gaunt fiber]

Good point

[bright mango]

Now the question is what are you going to do with your life now

[solar maple]

was talking to latt and he plans on doing em4 on his 50 heat zag bow

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah that's a pretty good question

I mean you saw my beo/eris

[bright mango]

tbh this has kept me very entertained for the past two weeks

[gaunt fiber]

My fingers only know Guan Yu

[bright mango]

yeah...

The beo

ummm

[solar maple]

yeah the run was sick

[bright mango]

was interesting

[gaunt fiber]

the beo was super fun

[honest kernel]

grats

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks Toffel!

[solar maple]

beo is fun 🙂

[bright mango]

Beo is very pog

[gaunt fiber]

But I instantly improved on beo tbh

like I'm still garbage but I realized some things

[solar maple]

you did get much much better over those few runs

[bright mango]

yeah once you rebinded you became a lot smoother

[edgy arrow]

beo has more letters than GY so it’s better, sorry that’s just math

[halcyon flame]

📠

[bright mango]

I'm wondering if I should make a montage of Ap luck screwing you over

Now that you finished

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[daring hedge]

Oh yo grats astaos!

[bright mango]

Astaos beating 50 GY reminds me of a beatles song called Here Comes the Sun

[daring hedge]

I wish I could get rip current to show up ever

[bright mango]

He's finally seeing the sun

After weeks of suffering

[gaunt fiber]

Rip current is super rare

I get Poseidon's call quite "often"

But Rip current man

so somehow

The clear was a common deadly strike start

And I did not reset

oh nvm

[bright mango]

@gaunt fiber dm the YouTube link when you post it

[solemn pulsar]

turns out you're pretty good at Hades the video game

[mossy zinc]

He's alright, I guess.

[dire steppe]

this is easily possible actually

because it’s not about the math

the human decides to stop taking miniboss doors

[solemn pulsar]

yeah early on i thought it was a set tunnel

and i thought it was NEVER miniboss tunnels

[dire steppe]

i used to think i didn’t like pickles because i didn’t like them as a child so i stopped eating them, but then i ate a pickle one day and now i like pickles

[solemn pulsar]

because i didn't take them

so i only saw miniboss sack on 4 sacks or more

[mossy zinc]

TIL pickles are miniboss doors.

They're one and the same.

[shy plinth]

Well done!

[dire steppe]

new challenge of the month?

[mossy zinc]

You'll wish it was.

[dire steppe]

[waxen relic]

Grats

I actually first tried a RI4 Guan Yu Run earlier today

probably learned a thing or two from watching a bit

[bright mango]

Yep watching him helped me clear 40 with Guan Yu

[bronze viper]

Astaos watching me helped me clear 40 GY lol.

The pressure

[bright mango]

Astaos at 4:58 you said 'this run is dead'

Boy were you wrong

[gaunt fiber]

haha

[true fable]

the classic reverse curse

the blessing manip

[neat sonnet]

hey congrats on 50!!!

way to go

[halcyon flame]

50 heat guan yu is scary to think about

congrats!

[plush bobcat]

About to attempt a 32 heat run. Any tips?

Also what pacts should I use

[solar maple]

with GY? or something more safe

[plush bobcat]

Zeus shield

Max level, of course

[solemn pulsar]

if you use zeus on special and take Damage Control 2 it goes away super quickly

i won't say it's "free heat", but it's close to it

[plush bobcat]

will do

[solar maple]

the things to avoid mostly are EM4, AP, RI, and CP

off the top of my head

[plush bobcat]

What does em4 do? I haven't tried it yet

[solar maple]

em4 makes the final boss much harder

[plush bobcat]

how?

[solar maple]

it gets an additional phase, more health per phase, different attack patterns, harder adds

more damage

[true fable]

for ref

[solar maple]

it's hard

[plush bobcat]

god

[true fable]

regular hades has 17k

em4 hades has 22k

per phase

[solar maple]

if you've never done it I would definitely say to try it out

just not at the end of a heat pb run haha

[gaunt fiber]

Oh god 22k

[true fable]

CP2 EM4 hades has almost 30k HP per phase lmao

[solar maple]

try a run with just EM4 and no other heat

[plush bobcat]

Yeah lol

[gaunt fiber]

The hell it must be with CP2

[plush bobcat]

ok will do! Sounds crazy

[solar maple]

yeah my beo pact has max difficulty dad 🙂

other than no DC2 for skulls

[true fable]

just for reference 30k is basically twice as much as asterius

lmao

[plush bobcat]

oh god

[true fable]

you do that 3 times

though phase 3 spawns with less HP

[solar maple]

with HL5 and such he hits for 100 damage on some attacks

it's rough

[true fable]

like a literal almost unreactable max range spear throw

does 88 base? or is it straight up 100

[plush bobcat]

i hate heightened security with those urns in the hades fight

[true fable]

yup

[solar maple]

I think 50 base then x2

[true fable]

pain

100!

[solar maple]

105! on beo

[halcyon flame]

em4/cp2/fo2/hl5/dc2/td3

[solar maple]

a number I've come to hate

[halcyon flame]

pain :)

oh and also hs for the pots

[true fable]

thats a lot of damage

[solar maple]

my beo pact has all of that except for dc2

ow

[true fable]

DC2 actually makes a pretty big difference ive come to realize

[solar maple]

yes and no

[true fable]

its the skulls man

[solemn pulsar]

CP2 charon flashbacks

[solar maple]

with how I play the fight I don't really attack the skulls tbh

[true fable]

thats probably better than how i do it

i just cant be arsed to dodge the waves

[solar maple]

I just hide in the bottom right corner LMAO

[halcyon flame]

cp2/hl5/fo2/dc2/td3 charon

[solar maple]

then block and point toward the middle of the map when skulls expload

cgull has fought max heat charon!

[halcyon flame]

literally every pact charon

except maybe for fo2 because he used chill

[plush bobcat]

Anybody know good zeus shield builds? Zeus special I know, but what else?

[gaunt fiber]

My win is indeed deadly strike no reset

[solar maple]

you mostly just want the zeus followup boons -- jolted, double strike, splitting bolt, etc

athena is good as always on high heat

[bronze viper]

You can do Merciful End using Divine Strike/Curse of Pain (or technically visa versa)

Baj mentioned liking Artemis special too, but that may just be Baj being Baj.

[solar maple]

yeah lots of specials can work

he even says dio special is pretty good

[solemn pulsar]

i mean with out FO2 the chill would have made him even easier... so i think FO2 still counts

[true fable]

baj said he liked any special besides ares for 57 lmao

[halcyon flame]

killing freeze would have been the icing on top

(no pun intended)

[solemn pulsar]

it was max heat room 6 shop

what's a boy to do

[bright mango]

@gaunt fiber make sure you put unseeded in the youtube title

[solemn pulsar]

i only had the one boon

[true fable]

astaos please submit soon sir :^)

where da link

[bright mango]

In self promotion

[true fable]

ahk

[bright mango]

The run was so bad starting out

[true fable]

@gaunt fiber im a huge fan of the rando overwatch clip you have on your channel

thats culture

sym player unsurprising

[gaunt fiber]

done

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

I hated Sym though

I was a McCree/Zarya main

[bright mango]

@gaunt fiber Did you submit it to the leaderboards?

nevermind I see it

Its not on recent runs for some reason

[plush bobcat]

rn I'm trying to get the harsh conditions prophecy

So only like, 16 heat

[gaunt fiber]

Everywhere when possible

[bright mango]

I dont see it on recent run

*runs

[gaunt fiber]

Still has to be verified and stuff

[shy plinth]

On our leaderboard here? Or speedrun.com

@gaunt fiber you put 2020 lolol

Wrong year friend

[gaunt fiber]

Oh

Woops

[shy plinth]

Though I can relate to the feeling

Should be there now

There's no verification for this sheet

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks Mr hat

[shy plinth]

It just goes automatically

[gaunt fiber]

Oh I thought there was one

[shy plinth]

Nope

The form plops it right on the sheet

No manual work

[gaunt fiber]

Damn

I'll have to be more careful

[shy plinth]

Or if it doesn't show up just ping me and I'll fix it 🙂

[gaunt fiber]

Sure will

[solemn pulsar]

yeah all my runs on the spreadsheet are illegitimate

nobody has ever looked

[shy plinth]

We're actually talking about that and we're going to move all of your runs to a new "perdable" category

All the other runs will be categorized as imperdable

[gaunt fiber]

Very nice idea

[solemn pulsar]

oh no

backfired

[dire steppe]

more like birdable

[shy plinth]

HEYO

[solemn pulsar]

I regret my screen name more every day

[light stag]

The good thing about Zeus is that the special does a fairly high damage and hits fast

as long as you can keep it hitting

[dire steppe]

zeus shield is good on really high heat

like >63

[wanton plover]

what if im not baj

[solemn pulsar]

it's still a good weapon

just has a high skill floor

and an even higher skill ceiling

[solar maple]

zeus good

top 3 aspect free

[plush bobcat]

def

[solemn pulsar]

At what heat tho

We need an aspect tier list for all 65 heat levels

[mossy zinc]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[mossy zinc]

Well, what are you standing around for? Get started.

[solemn pulsar]

0-49: eris best
50-56: hestia bestia
57+: idk just die

[mossy zinc]

[solemn pulsar]

the hestia/just die boundary is debatable

[mossy zinc]

I find your lack of Rama disturbing.

[solemn pulsar]

i can't think about rama without thinking about the song

[shy gulch]

amended tier list:
0-56: hestia bestia
57+ : play a different game

[mossy zinc]

It's very clear from the data that Zeus is best for 64 seeded, and Rama is best for 60 unseeded.

[true fable]

^

just like zag spear was second best in 1.0

[eternal hare]

Also from the data, 63 heat zag sword is optimal too, right?

[solemn pulsar]

rama mia (sung by hades)

I've been powershot by you since I don't know when
So I made up my mind, zag must come to an end
Look at me now, will I ever live
I don't know how, but I suddenly turn invisible
There's a fire within my soul
(Just one look)
And I can hear than's bell ring
(one more look)
and my spear is throwing, whoa

rama mia, here i go again
my my, how can I avoid you
rama mia, shared suffering again
my my, why does my spear miss you

yes, i've been shot by a blast wave
extra damage that the bow gave
why why, did I ever let you leave
rama mia, now i really know
my my, I should not have let her leave

[true fable]

i hate it here

[solemn pulsar]

you can swap "zag" for "tail" for high heat accuracy

[shy gulch]

cryin in the club rn

[mossy zinc]

?

@honest kernel you haven't submitted your 64 to the leaderboard.

[honest kernel]

lmao

[solemn pulsar]

do you mean the spreadsheet?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[solemn pulsar]

yeah he's gotta

cna't submit to speedrun.com yet

[eternal hare]

just referring to the numerous faked 63 heat zag swords 😦

[mossy zinc]

No idea what you're referring to. Did I miss something?

[true fable]

there was like a week

[shy gulch]

theres been a few people posting 63 heat screenshots w zag sword

they were pretty funny

[true fable]

where several people posted 63 heat screenshots yeah

with like full charge dusa companion or skelly companion

hoarding slash

double nova

heroic life affirmation

the works

[shy gulch]

the juice

[honest kernel]

The sheer skill

if only one day I could be as good as them

[mossy zinc]

In #h1-victory-boasting?

I don't look there much.

[solemn pulsar]

one or two trickled in here

[shy gulch]

^yea

most were there but a little bit trickled over

[shy plinth]

I love you

[solemn pulsar]

dont worry i had that previously written

[honest kernel]

Oh

right

[solemn pulsar]

didn't whip it up on the spot

LOL

[honest kernel]

filter's a thing

Here we see Cgull in his natural habitat, creating absolutely beautiful memes

[wanton plover]

thank u for your service cgull

[unique zephyr]

I just came on now, congrats on 50 for guan yu, @gaunt fiber !

At what heat do people start considering EM4 (if you aren’t Retrash and just keep it on at all times)

[mossy zinc]

50+.

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks!

[mossy zinc]

Or just whenever with Beowulf, I guess.

[unique zephyr]

Why does Beowulf have an easier time or is it a meme

[mossy zinc]

Because you just spam Dragon Rush and block all damage anyway.

[solemn pulsar]

beowulf's boss fights are its strong point

so a difficult boss is not so difficult

[shy plinth]

It also scales really well with boons and poms and stuff

[gaunt fiber]

Charged shot pew pew

[shy plinth]

So it struggles way more with furies when you don't have a build

[solemn pulsar]

ugh so rare though

beowulf has the most hammers out of any shield

so sad

zeus has the fewest

be like zeus

[mossy zinc]

You just read "Charged" and click on it immediately, anyway.

[gaunt fiber]

That is absolutely correct

[bronze viper]

I think I l2beowulf'd

I just need to work on time now to get TD3 active then 50 should be pretty straightforward.

That was pretty decidedly the least amount of effort I've ever applied to 45+ heat lol. It's like superdad couldn't even do anything.

[mossy zinc]

Was it mash Cast button while Bull-Rushing back and forth?

[gaunt fiber]

It's harder than it looks

maybe

[solemn pulsar]

Beo’s rhythm takes some getting used to

But once you’re there it moves

I said this once earlier: playing Beowulf is like drifting a garbage truck

Charged shot is like shooting the garbage truck out of a cannon

[bronze viper]

You know that feeling phase 2 of normal Dad where you're like, I have enough effective health to where you literally can't kill me before I kill you if you tried? I never expected to hit that threshold with Superdad on my first attempt lol

At 47 heat.

He died before I even lost the Athena DD lmao

[gaunt fiber]

I don't rely on ehp lmao

Do you face bosses like

"Haha, I have to much health for you, you cannot kill me!"

[bronze viper]

Nah I just stop dodging and start pushing damage buttons

[gaunt fiber]

And then you throw yourself in, hit them and it's whoever dies first?

[bronze viper]

Yeah basically lmao

[gaunt fiber]

[bronze viper]

Non-GY life

[true fable]

nyaanyaa it seems like all the cool kids are going for beo 50 on this patch will you be joining them

[mossy zinc]

I don't think it's a secret that I don't really like playing Beowulf since 1.0 lol.

[shy gulch]

nyaanyaa isnt a cool kid 😔

[unique zephyr]

How much HP was it?

[bronze viper]

Full Poseidon charge and maybe 400 total health with Hyper Sprint.

[gaunt fiber]

You know ledger

You had more than 400 hp because hyper sprint does a really cool thing

[bronze viper]

lol

[daring hedge]

[true fable]

does it now

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, it makes you get out of the way of damage.

Right?

[true fable]

just move speed right

[bronze viper]

Zoom zoom

[gaunt fiber]

Yup

[daring hedge]

just no flinching and move speed yeah

nothing else. sad.

[bronze viper]

.9 second Hyper Sprint too

[true fable]

i mean surely if it did other things it would say on like the tooltip

[gaunt fiber]

Oh btw

[mossy zinc]

Wish Hades had tooltips.

[gaunt fiber]

do you feel the rarity on hyper sprint?

[true fable]

yes

[gaunt fiber]

Like sure you run a bit longer

[bronze viper]

Yes

[gaunt fiber]

But do you use it?

[daring hedge]

yes

[true fable]

its 100% move speed

youre gonna feel that

[mossy zinc]

You bow mains are lying.

[bronze viper]

Was it 99% most likely to be me seeing an orange boon and sipping on that sweet sweet placebo effect? Probably

[gaunt fiber]

Come on guys

[true fable]

side note anyone else love getting 3 ichor and hyper sprint

you just zoom

[daring hedge]

bow users are allowed to run around nyaanyaa

[solemn pulsar]

Zoooom

[mossy zinc]

You hold Attack after Dash.

You're not running anywhere.

[bronze viper]

Pff, clearly someone hasn't Explosive Deadly Shot Hyper Delivery'd Zag or Rama before lol

Have to give all the good boy and girl shades their gifts

One for you, and you, and you

[daring hedge]

easily outrunning your casts trying to return to you after they time out on the ground

that's how you know you've made it

[gaunt fiber]

I still have bounties on shield

It would be super cool to clear them at 50 right

[daring hedge]

yeah i did that sort of thing in hell mode

[true fable]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

Pretty sure I did that at 52.

[true fable]

pretty baller

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

[daring hedge]

the game while i'm doing beo 50: congratulations you cleared 16 heat

[mossy zinc]

There's no point in playing Beowulf below 40.

[bronze viper]

Zag when I'm running some arbitrary high heat on a finished weapon: "Not going to earn any more bounties with this extra heat."

[daring hedge]

it's like he's pleading to the player

"there's no reason to do this please stop"

[gaunt fiber]

I got that line so many times

Like Zag was sick of dying

[shy gulch]

this is just sgg to all of us at this point

[unique zephyr]

I was meaning to ask, any special dialogue from hades or something for 64 heat

Or is it the same

[daring hedge]

lmao true

[unique zephyr]

I was curious if max heat had special dialogue if you beat it

[true fable]

the pact of punishment naming scheme really has me wanting a going under/hades fanart crossover

[bronze viper]

There is exactly 1 person who would be able to answer that for you lmao

[shy gulch]

the one thing that unites us between speedrunning and high heat is sgg asking us to stop

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel did you unlock Skelly statue #4?

Post pics.

[shy gulch]

lmao

[gaunt fiber]

Oh yeah

Human Skelly

The rare one

[daring hedge]

you have to sign a contract not to tell anyone about the huge amount of content locked behind 64

[gaunt fiber]

Olympian boss rush

[true fable]

great now were gonna get people coming in here every week asking for help with their 64 heat pacts

[bronze viper]

lmfao

[unique zephyr]

You know what’s evil? If the 64 heat content made you die the run before so it’s unseeded

Instead of pressing give up

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel does Skelly statue #4 look like this? ||https://d1fs8ljxwyzba6.cloudfront.net/assets/editorial/2020/05/darren-korb-interview-taking-bastion-to-the-big-stage.jpg||

Hmmm. Why doesn't it add the thumbnail as a spoiler.

[daring hedge]

and we tell them to practice on 62 first while only leaving out the last HL and HS

[bronze viper]

Real talk though, a "give up but forreals this time, I don't want this seed" button would be dope

[unique zephyr]

This would be awesome, I don’t know why give up preserves your seed

It could make you lose your meta currency you gathered like give up now but change the seed still

[bronze viper]

Eh I don't think it's that big of a deal either way, and seeded runs would be intensely (more) irritating if the button wasn't there

You could still do it through save states

[mossy zinc]

Perhaps to discourage looking for a perfect seed in normal gameplay.

[shy gulch]

i think its because sgg wants players to use all kinds of hammers, boons, and builds, and giving up creaitng a new seed would kind of incentivize looking for something you already know you like

rather than just trying something new

[mossy zinc]

Exactly.

[earnest helm]

Any tips on 40 heat with Rama? Currently running this pact: https://imgur.com/wdlvs24

[bronze viper]

Why is this the second time I've seen RI3 on Rama 40 in 2 days lmao

[mossy zinc]

Don't take AP.

HL5 LC4 FO2 TD3.

[daring hedge]

that's RI1 i think

since it takes off 3 mirror perks

[true fable]

you arent using LC4?

[bronze viper]

Oh nvm, missaw

[true fable]

its RI1 yeah

[earnest helm]

RI1, yup

[true fable]

i would recommend HL5 LC4 to turn down RI and AP

[bronze viper]

AP and RI1 are going to make your life way harder than LC and HL

[daring hedge]

Do TD3 with JS and CP that low imo

[true fable]

or alternatively shift more points into JS

[bronze viper]

Yeah, pick between JS0/CP0 TD3 or max JS/CP TD2

You're missing out on a lot of free heat by not

[mossy zinc]

No such thing as free Heat at 40.

Well, except for TD1.

[bronze viper]

Free comparative to AP2 or RI

[gaunt fiber]

Tbh I'm proud

I can almost say that HS is free

Been a while I have not stepped on an urn

or swum deeply in lava

[mossy zinc]

I think @daring hedge took RI4 before at 40 Heat, and he's the best Rama player, so you should probably do that.

[daring hedge]

at 50

[earnest helm]

Also which keepsake would you start with? Im currenly doing Dionysus since I like his special, though with AP its cucked 99% of the time since Im sure this game is rigged

[daring hedge]

start arrowhead imo

[mossy zinc]

Oh yeah, it was just at 46 and then 50, wasn't it.

[daring hedge]

either deadly strike or hunter dash

[earnest helm]

Thinking Artemis since she always has at least something useful

[bronze viper]

Yeah lol, just don't take AP2. AP1 is fine but totally optional at 40.

[earnest helm]

I hate Dios cast with a passion

[bronze viper]

I personally do like starting Dio at 40. It's fun, especially if you get Relentless and just pom the crap out of it

[mossy zinc]

Deadly Strike DPS is just so much higher than everything else on Rama.

Heartbreak Strike is still the best choice, though. You get it from Lady Aphrodite.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

[bronze viper]

Or you could go Heartbreak Strike and go for a Thunder Flourish build for Smoldering AIr. If you have Dio's Aid you won't even need to press your attack

(lol our advice is derailing please stop listening)

[mossy zinc]

I've heart Thunder Flourish and only using your Special is very effective, yes.

[gaunt fiber]

You could also use the special and only the special

it works pretty well

[daring hedge]

generally: deadly strike or big +% like heartbreak on attack, dio, zeus, or ares for special to contribute. frost flourish for utility. divine flourish is also good

[bronze viper]

Tempest Flourish + Razor Shoals is legit

[mossy zinc]

If you get Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Shatter Shot, Passion Dash, and Aphrodite's Aid, everything will be pink. I love pink.

[edgy arrow]

y’all talking rama builds and no one mentions sea storm or ME smh

[mossy zinc]

You'll also be playing a version of the game that has Shatter Shot, so you won't be able to play Rama.

Which is admittedly a bit of a bummer.

But you'll have Shatter Shot.

[earnest helm]

It's all good, thanks for the tips. I'm at 112 total runs now and 40 heat already seems like a pain. Furthest I've gotten is Hydra

[bronze viper]

Tailesque has not been trolling thus far, so listen to what he says

[edgy arrow]

shatter shot is a great boon

pity it doesn’t exist

[mossy zinc]

I think you got some good tips for builds and the pact, so you should be fine. Just practice, practice, practice, and a bit of good luck.

[bronze viper]

Though the reason we troll so hard is that Rama can really kind of do whatever it wants, it's just up to execution lmao

[mossy zinc]

Or just good luck and get Epic Greatest Reflex with Tidal Dash in Tartarus or something. Then you can skip the practice.

[bronze viper]

I did 50 with Dio keepsake and took Relentless Volley over Triple Shot and it worked out great. Rama op

[earnest helm]

So get lucky with OP boons and then boast about what kind of a god gamer you are. Got it

[edgy arrow]

that’s what i did for all my 40s

it’s a great strat

also pro tip: much easier to get lucky if you turn off AP2

and RI1

[gaunt fiber]

What was Shatter Shot?

Just the same as Crush Shot but with a different name?

[edgy arrow]

aphro’s cast used to have a way bigger aoe

[daring hedge]

crush shot but way better

borderline broken

[mossy zinc]

Shatter Shot did 5 hits with better AOE and better damage.

[gaunt fiber]

oh wow

I like Crush Shot, I just want it to have like 20-30 more range

[mossy zinc]

I stopped playing for a few weeks when they replaced Shatter Shot because that was my favorite build.

[gaunt fiber]

This is sad

[edgy arrow]

i didn’t stop playing but i stopped using casts for a while haha

man now i’m sad there was never a time you could get shatter shot on beo

[daring hedge]

i remember early beo with crush shot/passion flare and having the casts lodge sometimes lol

[true fable]

passion flare still feels surprisingly good now

feels better than it did when dio beo was the alternative

now i have a lower damage cast to compare it to

[solemn pulsar]

You’re probably just better at Beowulf too

[unique zephyr]

Lesson learned: never take trials in Elysium with TD3, greed bad 😛

I got to Elysium first try 32 Zag bow, getting better at 32 I feel like

Taking BP1 instead of BP2 helps a lot

[shy plinth]

I think generally not taking elysium trials is a good idea

Or rather, taking them is often a bad idea

[unique zephyr]

The other god was Athena, I forgot just how long Athena's invulnerability lasts and about what happens if Athena shields a skeleton soul

i was thinking more boons = better bc underworld customs

but I had no need for extra boons thinking about it, or not enough to take trial

[gaunt fiber]

It's a gamble for sure

Trials in Elysium can eat your time indeed

[mossy zinc]

There's no reasy right or wrong answer when it comes to these things.

[bronze viper]

NOOOOOO 😦 😦 😦 I had dad at 40% on phase 3 on my first 50 attempt whyyy.

[mossy zinc]

Where I think it's a very clear choice is in Tartarus, though.

I take pretty much every trial in Tartarus.

[earnest helm]

Thanks for all the Rama-tips earlier bois, got 40 heat done on second attempt after those

[mossy zinc]

Same for Chaos Gates and most Infernal Gates.

Congratulations!

If things go wrong in Tartarus, it's still a quick reset. So you want to take risks to try to get the best start you can.

The other thing I'd say is if you're in Elysium, and you know you don't have a good build, you shouldn't be afraid of taking risks to get one.