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#h1-high-heat-strategies
solar maple
gaunt fiber
If I'm casting I'm routing
But I would be blind
Room 1 double summon into charged skewer
Dream
sly remnant
Your general knowledge of the first half of tartarus is unavoidable. Thats how seeded goes. It is not routed
gaunt fiber
Behold my knowledge of Tartarus
green citrus
The issue is technically you can seed/route through death so you could do the inputs before the death screen and get first chamber seeded for what you want. Thankfully no one has abused it as of yet.
green citrus
There is a seeding mod from Ello that you could use if you're interested. That's what they use for the races
vital grove
Oh, a mod. Nah
green citrus
Well otherwise it's random lol. You could find the hammer you want naturally and just parce that save so you always start with that one
sullen minnow
If it makes a difference to you, I’d gladly hold your hand through setting it up
It’s not difficult, and you only need the 1. I can wholeheartedly vouch for its effectiveness
green citrus
Yeah ello's mods are pretty polished tbh, it isn't that hard.
sullen minnow
It’ll make your life much easier, I do promise that
I’m here to be a helper if you wish. It’s a pretty simple nip/tuck
quartz mantle
So question
Which do you think is more important, Athena Legendary or Purple Jolted
Running Zeus attack on Demeter Fists
32 heat
solar maple
getting jolted is much more reliable but athena legendary is a better boon
waxen relic
Rarity? Location?
vital grove
Jolted is pretty great but dat shield tho
quartz mantle
Yea I'm wondering if the extra damage from Jolted would be more beneficial at high heat
waxen relic
You might get jolted anyway
quartz mantle
Jolted is easier to get true
gaunt fiber
General rule : see orange pick orange
waxen relic
and if you're not with the back to the wall in terms of damage.
vital grove
A longer boss fight, the shield could easily be an acorn
quartz mantle
and I don't want to muddy up my Athena pool so I can get extra defiances
quartz mantle
General rule : see orange pick orange
I have to purge one of them
gaunt fiber
Ah
quartz mantle
It's either Purple Jolted Athena Legendary or Athena Dash
gaunt fiber
Keep purple jolted imo
gaunt fiber
It's Malphon
vital grove
And it's so basic you might get more
gaunt fiber
Divine dash good
quartz mantle
Yea I'm on fists
gaunt fiber
The legendary is gonna have value in bosses
waxen relic
why do you have no roll 
quartz mantle
I used them all getting Zeus attack as a joke
I didn't really expect this run to go anywhere
gaunt fiber
I would sell the legendary
quartz mantle
But then my Tartarus was cracked and I got 4 gods already
gaunt fiber
You need to deflect in asphodel especially as a melee
quartz mantle
Well I'm going into Elysium
quartz mantle
There's still witches in Elysium
waxen relic
I just love Divine Protection and think there's enough damage on Demeter anyway
so i'd sell jolted prolly
gaunt fiber
With a common lightning strike lv 1 meh
quartz mantle
Ok so here's another consideration
I need to sell a legendary for the achievement
so like
waxen relic
do it then
mossy zinc
Selling Divine Protection gives you a whole lot of cash, so it's not the worst decision to make.
I'd probably sell Jolted if I was worried about making it.
Divine Dash is huge vs EM Asterius on Malphon.
Since you can easily deflect his ground pounds and negate the shockwave that way.
flat flicker
Is divine protection even good? One hit per 20 seconds...like is that a game changer
gaunt fiber
It is, especially against bosses
mossy zinc
Divine Protection + Acorn is amazing for bosses.
wanton plover
feels better the more hl you got
gaunt fiber
Here I would have sold it because I was thinking that jolted may be more health overall since it's faster clear
quartz mantle
Well regardless of which choice I made I think I still need more practice fighting greatshields with fists
without Breaching Cross
😔
mossy zinc
You don't need practice, you just need to get Breaching Cross. 
quartz mantle
True!
rain sedge
unseeded + on record
lost athena DD on normal styx chamber though, such a bad play
f r e e
wintry berry
GJ !
gaunt fiber
Congrats Schad!
quartz mantle
Pog
rain sedge
and recording is smooth and intact
let me find a way to cut and upload it
thanks, AP1 made things a ton easier
idk how retrash keeps playing on AP2
gaunt fiber
He has a mirror
rain sedge
for his high heat he doesn't
I think it's the TD2
I've seen some of the chiron videos, TD2 allows a lot of plays that's just not possible on TD3
shy plinth
Nice!!
wanton plover
sadge
kindred sluice
Everyone’s doing 52 heat runs while I’m over here suffering on 32 
I just want to be free.
agile obsidian
Everyone’s doing 52 heat runs while I’m over here suffering on 32 <:shadegrief:5...
same
agile obsidian
5m?
shy plinth
TD3?
dark radish
I haven't gotten past 10 heat lmao I keep dying to hades on 11
sullen minnow
What are you putting on?
dark radish
don't really remember
sullen minnow
Tbh you can get to 10-15 heat pretty smoothly with some good choices like EM, MM and TD. Keep at it!
solar maple
I did it! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/810326116988092436/Beo_52Heat.png
beo heat wr 🙂
stupid lucky run
extra DD and 2:30 on the clock, wasn't even close
sullen minnow
Woooooo! Congrats!!!!
solar maple
I think 53 is definitely possible, but you need good room luck. I probably would have died to timer in tart with DC2 on this one
DC2 JS3 unarmorerd witch rooms take an eternity
you make up a good amount of time in asphodel though
quartz mantle
I did it! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/810326116988...
Poggers Champion
bronze viper
HAA. 24 heat down with Nemesis lmao. That was non zero amount of effort.
I'll try Zagius next to see if I like it more. The movement might be nice.
sullen minnow
Trying to knock 32 out with the sword in a little backwards way
Almost-mirrorless shackle Arthur run
Wish me luck
bronze viper
Good luck!
I should probably watch some Retrash replays to see how I'm doing this so wrong.
sullen minnow
Nemesis kind of kicked my ass too. I made hades but I knew from the start of the fight I wasnt going to make it
Such a glass cannon
solar maple
aww, no one did 51 so I can't barrel roll
bronze viper
I hate it so much. But I know I have to be missing something fundamental to its playstyle.
rain sedge
I did it! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/810326116988...
congrats!
gauntlet has been thrown to the other beo players
rain sedge
I hate it so much. But I know I have to be missing something fundamental to its ...
I find the weapon to be extremely hard tbh
shy gulch
sword is a dangerous weapon yeah
learning when to use your special is kinda important, as it does damage but leaves you pretty vulnerable
warm stream
I did it! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/810326116988...
Where do I find heat WRs?
bronze viper
Lol, 24 with Zagius. Or at least with lightning rod + splitting bolt. I had thunder Flourish but I'm pretty sure every time I used special Dad hit me in the 100 recovery frames for that attack
true fable
nice
daring hedge
massive spin out of those i'd say
opal token
Thanks! That is what I chose so glad to hear
opal token
lol got frustrated with 32 Heat F0 zero HL5 spear so went and cleared 32 FO2 on dem fists.
(This makes no sense.)
vital grove
I have a feeling hades Spear is a bit underrated
150% attack damage boost can't be bad
proud jay
base damage still bad
vital grove
Even if you Arty attack?
amber pebble
What's arty attack
vital grove
Artemis, deadly strike
amber pebble
Oh arty is Artemis thanks
mossy zinc
I don't know about underrated. It was one of the first three aspects to break 50 Heat in Early Access.
The others were Chaos Aspect and Beowulf.
vital grove
Could be personal bias, I rarely see it mentioned now in the discord. It also only appears once on the barrel roll challenge, on 20
mossy zinc
It was only Tailesque playing it, and he plays Rama now. Rama is just way better.
Hades Aspect is great if you get good hammers.
trim sigil
Hades spear is definitely up there but it's hard to utilize properly (because of spin handicaps) and the damage buff is additive so it is less effective with a regular build
So might be not too exciting for most people to use 
true fable
theres no damage buff that isnt additive, but the issue IMO is that it's only attack/special
edgy arrow
how is that the issue
i mean, i'm no spear expert but aren't like all spear builds either attack (serrated point or flurry jab) or special (charged skewer and/or exploding launcher) based?
daring hedge
there is no issue hades spear is perfect
halcyon flame
60 heat hades spear when
vital grove
I'm always wary of serrated it guts your dash
true fable
there is no issue hades spear is perfect
there were two people in the past week claiming 63 heat and yet this message is somehow still the biggest lie told so far
halcyon flame
guys ❗ ❗ i just did 65 heat 😎 😎 💪
edgy arrow
truth
solemn pulsar
Hades spear buff doesn’t even buff the spin!!! On a spin weapon!!!!!!!
On a weapon where they said “spin is so important you can’t get flurry jab”
halcyon flame
additive damage boosts 🤮
agile obsidian
there is no issue hades spear is perfect
Extreme facts
serene badger
Why would I want to have to charge a spin and hit the enemy first for my damage boost when I can do a quick one-two with Achilles for the same effect?
shy gulch
because tailesque is WRONG
hades spear stinky dont let him spread the hades spear propaganda
trim sigil
On a weapon where they said “spin is so important you can’t get flurry jab”
Well, it would be even more funny to take a flurry jab on a spear that has the entire mechanic based around spins
Hence serrated point mvp
agile obsidian
Why would I want to have to charge a spin and hit the enemy first for my damage ...
You can apply the damage bonus to multiple people and the bonus stays for 10 seconda
agile obsidian
Tailesque is ultimate gaemer
solemn pulsar
Tailesques game is broken and can’t be set below 50 heat
He’s just too embarrassed so he lives with it
shy gulch
LOL
serene badger
You can apply the damage bonus to multiple people and the bonus stays for 10 sec...
Achilles damage boost applies to all enemies and can be re-applied near instantly
agile obsidian
Stfu
I’m joking
Honestly it’s just that hades spear is fun to use
But i would argue hades spear is way better for bosses. The effect stays for so long and is so easy to apply that just dash attacking is amazing
halcyon flame
punishing sweep applies for like half a second on bosses lol
agile obsidian
Umm no
trim sigil
punishing sweep applies for like half a second on bosses lol
must feel bad playing on 20x mental speed
halcyon flame
what\
trim sigil
what
quartz mantle
https://imgur.com/gallery/dRZzYmH Finally beat 32 heat with every weapon 🥳
Oh wait this isn't #h1-victory-boasting
w/e
halcyon flame
🤝
bronze viper
Hades spear is definitely up there but it's hard to utilize properly (because of...
That quality makes it scale extremely well with either crit or any status damage, which is really flexible for a weapon. You can still put normal damage boons on it too, it's not like it makes them worse, just worse as an overall percent of your damage. You're still getting the same amount of flat damage from them though.
pseudo girder
I think the faster spin charge hammer probably benefits Hades Spear the most
Get the status condition easier
agile obsidian
Spin hammers are insanely fun on hades spear
pseudo girder
Oh absolutely
Same with Guan Yu
Really, spin hammers are probably what turn that weapon from "ugh" to bearable, at least for me
agile obsidian
Hades spear always going to have a place in my heart bcs a. First spear 32 clear b. First em4 with any weapon
What happened there
pseudo girder
Which spear you going for?
agile obsidian
Wow fo2 as well
chilly sun
probably achilles!
pseudo girder
Nice
chilly sun
or guan yu
agile obsidian
As usual hades is left completely in the dust
chilly sun
dont tempt me 👁️
chilly sun
yes
pseudo girder
there are as many zag spear fans as there are people from wyoming
ripe crane
I can't believe I didn't realize how easy it is to just chill right beside Hades during his lasers in 2nd half of phase 2
pseudo girder
That's how skilled fist users get the extra d a m a g e.
ripe crane
Like I knew you could but... wow. It's very easy to do so.
I just assumed you had to be like right inside of him
Oh dang, Hadesprof got a 57 Hestia. Might have to finally go for that 58
chilly sun
NICE]
ripe crane
Why am I not recording this
mossy zinc
Have you all seen the new challenge in #h1-builds-and-combat yet? 
dire steppe
ooh
ripe crane
😮
dire steppe
I'm claiming @true fable
agile obsidian
Have you all seen the new challenge in <#520688402958516254> yet? <:squirtnya:47...
Looks really good
true fable
I'm claiming <@!461369378315960330>
uwu
kindred sluice
I’m starting to wonder how most people have heat 32 on most weapons and I can’t even get it on one. 
solar maple
don't worry, I still have it on one weapon 🙂
gaunt fiber
I’m starting to wonder how most people have heat 32 on most weapons and I can’t ...
Most people don't
32 is tough
kindred sluice
Yup
dire steppe
I’m starting to wonder how most people have heat 32 on most weapons and I can’t ...
I used to wonder that as well. Now I’ve done 32 on all weapons. It’s about familiarity with the enemies and your builds
kindred sluice
I’m used to my weapon now luckily the problem is I need to figure a way around the time because I’ve just been dying because of it
dire steppe
take chaos gates and other non-fighting rooms, pause when making decisions
kindred sluice
Yeah I try to do that as best as I can
But 5m is... something. I’m using Chiron so I’m tryna figure a better way rn
kindred sluice
Yeah it’s okay though. I nearly did it once but I walked into [REDACTED]’s laser by accident and haven’t gotten close since.
So it feels like my only chance slipped through my fingers but I can get it again.
solar maple
chiron is definitely a slow one
kindred sluice
It also locks you in place when using the special so it can be a pain.
You can take unnecessary damage at times.
But I’ve tried other weapons and I don’t really like them when it comes to 32 heat. If anything I’d try Exagryph again but I don’t know.
opal token
32 took a long time for me to get the first clear and second clear and at some point I did like 4 or 5 all in one day
And now I’m trying to get the last 2 spear aspects left and it’s back to taking a long, long time 😛
kindred sluice
I’d expect it would, 32 is far from easy. Far exceeded my expectations.
opal token
I’d expect it would, 32 is far from easy. Far exceeded my expectations.
I also had to tweak the 32 heat set up to work for me. The pinned one certainly works but maybe isn’t for everyone
kindred sluice
I pretty much went off Haelian’s video tbh.
B
But I’ll check the video you linked
agile obsidian
I tried the monthly challenge and died to em4 hades
mossy zinc
Awww you tried EM4?
You don't have to take EM4 for the challenge. m sure whoever you dedicate your run to will appreciate it either way.
But of course you can if you like to!
agile obsidian
Yeah but it’s fun
Maybe if it’s too hard I’ll change it
But i died 3rd phase so I should be able to do it
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, that's pretty good. Go get him!
pseudo girder
save your death defiances like a college student saving money to ensure they do NOT have to get a loan
🙃
gaunt fiber
Or run SD and have an infinite amount of possible deaths 
serene badger
I’d expect it would, 32 is far from easy. Far exceeded my expectations.
Do you always run tight deadline 3? I used tight deadline 2 for every one of my 32 heat runs because I found that 5 minutes was a bit restrictive. Keep in mind that with the extra time you can take some rooms that usually you'd skip for the mid shop to get an extra boon or something which can help to compensate for whatever you have to redistribute the extra heat into.
pseudo girder
td2 is preferred over td3 for 32 heat
even on <8 heat i still find td3 to be very restrictive outside of a speedrun setting
gaunt fiber
Mr. Schad has made an awesome guide, see pins
mossy zinc
TD3 is usually a lot easier than not taking it because you can dodge 3 Heat elsewhere. Most people who struggled with 32 ended up having more success with TD3.
Doesn't apply to everyone, but you'll have to step up your game for 32 either way if you struggle.
Clear speed for TD3 is typically easier than learning to deal with other things.
TD3 is still far from a speedrun pace. That's 20 minutes + some while 32 speedruns are like sub 12 or sub 10 even.
gaunt fiber
TD3 will make you a better player
serene badger
Just read schad's guide. Interesting that they went for the stubborn defiance route at 32 heat. I never actually tried it so I'm not sure if it'd be easier. I usually had 2 DDs left on average by the time I reached the final boss so I generally didn't bother and went for LC2. AP1 was also perma on for me but they don't recommend using it. I don't find AP1 to be that bad but AP2 is much worse. At least they are also part of the anti-HS gang noy really a fan of losing half my health to a random stray arrow in Elysium
gaunt fiber
It will force you to optimize your room clear, your dps rotation. You'll also see which decisions you can make or not (trials, skipping a shop...) and which boons are better for your build in a given situation.
serene badger
I only run LC4 SD for 50 heat because you basically have to. I didn't really find that AP1 hurt my builds that much but maybe I'm just lucky.
serene badger
Sometimes that happened but I found it to be a worthy trade-off tbh
mossy zinc
Have you submitted your 50 Heat clear to the high heat leaderboard?
serene badger
I don't have any way to record my runs which I assume you have to do to prove it
mossy zinc
Yes, but we have a tab for victory screens only for those who can't record.
serene badger
Oh fair
I suppose I could but is 50 heat even that rare?
Like don't get me wrong it's real hard but some people are extremely good
mossy zinc
It still is, yes. We have 14 players with submissions at 50+ and a couple more in Early Access, but it's still fewer than 20.
serene badger
Damn I expected more than that tbh. I guess a lot of people probably don't submit or aren't even in this discord
Could you tell me where I do that then? Might as well
mossy zinc
The spreadsheet is pinned here.
serene badger
Gotcha
mossy zinc
Very sure the vast majority of people who've done 50+ are on the board.
kindred sluice
Do you always run tight deadline 3? I used tight deadline 2 for every one of my ...
Nah I was just testing it because I was seeing how I could make it easier and I don’t really want too many waves because Chiron.
serene badger
That makes sense Chiron does struggle with jury summons and some other things
kindred sluice
I might just try Exagryph and see how it goes considering it’s my best weapon.
kindred sluice
Unlucky
agile obsidian
Change of plans no em4
agile obsidian
Finished the challenge!!
mossy zinc
Hurray~!
agile obsidian
Sadly no em4
dire steppe
i liked this challenge a lot, i sent it to other groups of people I know
i like the challenge almost as much as i don't chiron
agile obsidian
Just did!!
shy gulch
yeah these past couple challenges have been pretty cool
mossy zinc
Thank you!
wanton plover
who do i dedicate my run to
mossy zinc
Follow your heart. 💕
shy gulch
:(
rain sedge
oh this challenge is cool
it's a bit weird seeing real courtney saying the message, since she's a wholesome person IRL and the in-game aphrodite is quite vindictive
lemme see if I can bust a quick 50 for my companion astaos
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite is perfectly wholesome. 
ripe crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679466835283804306/810655150297448508/unknown.png idk if I would call this wholesome
kinda creepy tbh
rain sedge
no I'm saying the IRL courtney is wholesome
rain sedge
ah, died at dad. was 15 min pace too
I blame the rocket bomb, I believe I'll never take it again if I can help it
rain sedge
I think it's a DPS increase on speedruns
ripe crane
Rocket bomb owns
solemn pulsar
Rocket always good
rain sedge
or... I think it allows you to preload your DPS upfront
ripe crane
I always feel compelled to use rocket bomb as much as possible, which gets me killed
solemn pulsar
Faster, more difficult to weave in with your attacks
rain sedge
in my case, it truly felt like the whole triple-casting special became a tad slower? and it feels like it "buffers" more? or animation locks you? idk
solemn pulsar
^^^ it’s especially brain wrinkling on hestia
rain sedge
and yeah it forced me to play close to dad, which made me lose
solemn pulsar
I mean triple bomb is a different issue
rain sedge
this is just a hard copium for my own lack of skill btw
and it's 20 base damage increase... idk if I was imagining it, but I swear it was slower casting by a bit compared to normal triple bomb
so idk if it's actually DPS increase? but I trust speedrunners on this
I regretted that choice, I even had targetting sytem offered
edgy arrow
targeting system good
and much easier to use lol
idk i’m very bad at eris regardless
rain sedge
yeah I was very stupid and didn't realise it was only 20 base damage increase
but I do feel like I'm improving a lot at least, I got to dad within 2 tries at 50
sullen minnow
I don’t rage too easy, but trying to clear 32 with sword is making me want to put a controller through a window 🙃
daring hedge
i like rocket bomb's immediacy a lot compared to default special
rain sedge
2 weeks ago it felt very hard doing 50
rain sedge
i like rocket bomb's immediacy a lot compared to default special
yeah this is a huge thing too
sometimes by the time special lands enemy already mvoes away/dies
opal token
Oh is that person the actual voice of Aphrodite too?
mossy zinc
Yes. Courtney Vineys is the voice of Lady Aphrodite and Dusa.
opal token
Neat
wanton plover
yes courtenbery she streams a lot
solemn pulsar
Madam Dusa
dire steppe
in my case, it truly felt like the whole triple-casting special became a tad slo...
I've heard triple rocket bomb kills the run
Something about triple bomb making the rocket bomb dash cancel not work anymore
agile obsidian
and it's 20 base damage increase... idk if I was imagining it, but I swear it wa...
Its good on speedrunning imo and with cluster it destroys
dire steppe
i think triple bomb solo > triple rocket tbh
agile obsidian
Yeah
Hundred percent
Probably not good in speedrunning but maybe good on normal runs
solemn pulsar
Triple bomb Lucifer is chef’s kiss
agile obsidian
Triple bomb Lucifer is *chef’s kiss*
I can agree with that
Its just fun
And good
edgy arrow
i have done zero research and am still willing to bet the majority of high heat lucy clears use triple bomb
pseudo girder
whatever would make you think that?
whistles innocently
but yeah, triple bomb turns lucy from a pretty decent Rail to a burst-damage king
especially, especially if you manage to get ME and the infinite ammo hammer as well
mossy zinc
i have done zero research and am still willing to bet the majority of high heat ...
Well, tough! Out of the 2 Lucifer Aspect clears on the leaderboard, only 50% have Triple Bomb.
edgy arrow
welp, just goes to show i should've done research
mossy zinc
how many zag swords use double edge
3 out of 6.
solemn pulsar
welp, just goes to show i should've done research
You aren’t wrong really, just not enough data for a conclusive result
solemn pulsar
Yeah like are Zeus and Rama amazing or are they carried by baj and tail?
Bit of both IMO
mossy zinc
What do you mean not enough data?
This means there's a 50% chance of getting Triple Bomb on Lucifer Aspect at high heat.
And a 50% chance to get Double Edge on Zagius.
mossy zinc
Exactly.
solemn pulsar
But that’s also only if you’re destined to clear AND post to spreadsheet
mossy zinc
Are you going to do the new challenge?
mossy zinc
You should!
solemn pulsar
It’s just dedicate a run right?
mossy zinc
Not "just". But yes.
You can express your admiration in any way you like. Follow your heart.
solemn pulsar
I may. Little busy tonight to ah but might have time for a run
30 second discord sass is easier than a 20 minute run hehe
solar maple
I just put one out to shad
mossy zinc
I saw. 💕
solar maple
kind of crazy that I got +3 dashes, double edge, and patty on my first 40 heat nem attempt
mossy zinc
Make sure to also submit your run to the spreadsheet.
solar maple
will do
mossy zinc
Oooh nice.
solar maple
I love my greedy RI0 AP0 pacts
mossy zinc
Pretty sure that's the meta at 40. RI and AP just hurt.
solar maple
It seems like it would be
the pact seemed pretty natural. Scaling it up much more would hurt though
I will admit I was a bit scared of dying to lernie haha
mossy zinc
I haven't paid as close attention to 40 Heat speedruns though. Not quite sure what pacts they all run.
Lernie can be pretty scary at high heat.
solar maple
oh it wasn't really a speedrun but when I had +3 dashes double edge all my nem muscle memory is to go fast haha
so I just played it like it was
solemn pulsar
I take AP1 on hestia 40 speed sometimes, since it’s so eh on boons
agile obsidian
Lernie can be pretty scary at high heat.
I agree
agile obsidian
What other easy heat can I put on a mirror free run?
solemn pulsar
The 40 speed pact is basically required HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3, and then whatever mix of The rest works Best for your aspect for the last 4 heat
halcyon flame
epic greatest reflex double edge nemesis vs epic rush delivery hyper sprint double edge nemesis?
agile obsidian
Greatest reflex imo
solar maple
oh wow I should have recorded it, it would have been the fastest (only, but still pretty quick) nem 40 heat on src
agile obsidian
Dash strike a lot with nem I believe
mossy zinc
What other easy heat can I put on a mirror free run?
I like this for mirrorless Guan Yu. You'd want to do LC0 and put the Heat into something else on other aspects, though. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/810680163238150154/Hades_1354.png?width=711&height=400
agile obsidian
Yeah i aint doing lc4
solar maple
for nem dashes > hyper sprint
agile obsidian
I’ll probably do mm, uc, bp, em2, td3
mossy zinc
Otherwise, this pact is very nice. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png?width=711&height=400
TD3 can be very tight depending on your aspect. TD2 is a lot easier; I just wanted TD3, though.
agile obsidian
K thx
I think I’ll end up doing around 25ish heat
32 would be too much for mirrorles for me
mossy zinc
You never know that.
quartz mantle
What happens if you have UC on and no purgable boons at the end of a region?
mossy zinc
You just move on.
quartz mantle
I don't really know what I expected to happen but that makes the most amount of sense
halcyon flame
it's like if you have nothing to pom it just gives you some pocket change
i wonder if there's a similar effect when you use the blossom?
quartz mantle
Only 1 way to find out
vital grove
It'd be hilarious if Hades just went 'MINE' the first time you got a new boon after that
quartz mantle
"You are now in debt 1 boon"
solemn pulsar
i think pom blossom just resets its count
solar maple
it does yeah. Hammer starts with mom pom can be rough 😦
opal token
High heat Dionysus be like “friend: have a boon to sell to UC”
solemn pulsar
Except for vintage
solar maple
"how would you like to heal for 0% of your health?" Hard to pass on that one
mossy zinc
After Party is a better Nourished Soul.
Pretty much all of his other boons are good, though.
opal token
Sisyphus vs Aphro Athena trial in tartarus? Chamber 10 with 3:05 left...it’s easy trial, right?
mossy zinc
It's Tartarus. If you die, you just restart.
opal token
Oh I was considering like saving 1 min on time now so that I don’t die to timer later lol
Vs gaining 2 decent boons
mossy zinc
What Heat?
You can generally save so much time in Asphodel that Tartarus doesn't really matter. You just need to survive Tartarus.
opal token
32 so no ike bonus health or summons stuff
mossy zinc
Trial for sure.
opal token
Does your answer change if you already have Arty strike, aphro special, and Athena dash?
mossy zinc
Unless you're trying to speedrun maybe. TD3 shouldn't really be an issue at 32 if you're not doing like mirrorless stuff or something.
No. Two boons is way more value than 100 Obols, and you have a chance at Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena.
opal token
Just checking
opal token
Follow up bc I died horribly to Lernie lol
Chaos gate, 50 health Erebus, or Pom
(I know it’s not Pom)
Hades spear With arty strike so far
I guess it’s chaos bc art strike
oblique yoke
trials almost always if the timer can afford it
I honestly think it depends
true fable
on?
mossy zinc
It's almost always boons over anything else and two boons over one boon.
oblique yoke
Late game trials mean fierce opposition, which isn't something you want if you're low on health and/or DDs
true fable
obviously if you think you will die to a trial you should not take it
but if youre at like 30% on your SD
its fine
mossy zinc
We don't really run DDs at high heat. Pretty much every run is SD.
true fable
i feel like we may be talking about different contexts here though
yeah what nyaanyaa said
oblique yoke
SD?
mossy zinc
Elysium trials are the only one's I might skip tbh, but mainly because they can take too long.
Stubborn Defiance.
SD resets every chamber, so losing your SD in a trial doesn't really matter too much.
oblique yoke
That's another point. Elysium enemies hit hard while needing a lot to take down
Half of them can revive if you aren't paying attention
Also, if I'm offered a hammer, I'm taking it no matter what the other prize is
true fable
again i feel like we may be talking about different contexts here
why
the hammer will always come back
you get 2 offered in a run
mossy zinc
I'd already consider it a screw-up personally if I let 1-2 Exalted revive through all of Elysium.
true fable
unless you specifically dodge
oblique yoke
I thought you only got two per run and that's it
true fable
the game will keep offering until you reach 2
oblique yoke
Unless you buy the anvil at the end
true fable
its not that its only offered twice
oblique yoke
Well that would have been nice to know
oblique yoke
It seems like he never shows up in Tartarus if he's left to his own device
opal token
Bleh keep punting good Haded starts lol
mossy zinc
@opal token what are you losing to? What's your strat?
oblique yoke
It's 1am, what am I doing here?
opal token
Just trying to do 32 all aspects. Starting Artemis and looking for heartrend, I guess
Losing to Lernie, oddly.
mossy zinc
@oblique yoke checking out the newest Hades Monthly Challenge that I posted earlier that's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat, that's what you're doing here at 1 a.m. Good luck!
Just take the Owl Pendant in Asphodel for DDs.
true fable
what weapon?
mossy zinc
Hades Aspect.
true fable
ahh yeah owl pendant in aspho is a pretty safe bet
mossy zinc
You're not trying to set speed records. Owl Pendant is the gold standard for safety.
opal token
Yeah I think both runs I put aphro on to try to set up heartrend
But maybe i just want to live lol
mossy zinc
I guess you could go for god > Acorn > Acorn > Acorn instead if you wanted.
That's not a bad idea.
oblique yoke
Just so restless knowing that there's a chance that I will be snowed in when I try to leave work tomorrow
mossy zinc
But getting DDs in Asphodel (and carrying them over to Elysium and beyond) and only then switching to Acorn has more value.
oblique yoke
Is butterfly worth using?
mossy zinc
I think it's worth using because it's fun and can help you focus on practicing no-hitting your runs. That's really valuable if you want to push into high heat.
opal token
I think it’s HL5 FO0 killing me actually which is funny. I’m better at FO2 HL0 lol
mossy zinc
But Butterfly is not part of the high heat meta or speedrun meta at all. It just doesn't do enough for your DPS compared to other keepsake strategies.
Maybe you're skipping too many Centaur Hearts before Lernie or playing too reckless instead of just focusing on no-hitting. You shouldn't really be pressed for time, and you can just skip the last phase with Meg, too.
Ideally, you're still above 30% when you get to Lernie.
opal token
I have been taking Poms over hearts like crazy hah
mossy zinc
Yeah, just take the Centaur Hearts.
turbid perch
is it just me or is FO1 not even noticeable?
mossy zinc
That sounds more like it.
opal token
FO1 was noticeable to me, but I’m bad. But it’s def way less than the FO2 jump
sullen minnow
Nya I take it I’m reading you right, Athena’s DD boons can offer you a replacement if you’re mirrorless, yes?
mossy zinc
No, they can't show up if you don't have a DD or SD slot.
sullen minnow
Ah, I gotcha
turbid perch
sheesh!! are u using arthur aspect?
opal token
Just hit 50 Erebus gate and the. 68 health from chaos
Plus random other stuff
And no, Spear lol
turbid perch
wow thats nuts!
opal token
I had been prioritizing Poms > Hearts thinking it’s easier to hit the core boons I’ll use at the beginning
But Maybe I took it too far and was entering asphodel with like 100-125 health haha
mossy zinc
That's fine if you're more experienced, but prioritizing Centaur Hearts will just be easier.
opal token
@mossy zinc haha guess you were right. Only GY left at 32
Posting victory is a pain in the butt so: 416 hp, bonus Athena SD remaining, chain skewer/charge skewer, arty special and arty strike
edgy arrow
holy crap i just realised i can legally barrel-roll Retrash with my first 50 heat clear
never gonna get another chance to do this yolo
solar maple
nice! Perfect timing
edgy arrow
indeed
actually i should upload this to speedrun.com
its the fastest beo 50 clear lmao
until you get your sub 15 at least
solar maple
well I submitted my 52 heat in the 50 category, but technically the fastest 50 haha
submit it! Beowulf needs to take over the 50 heat category so people stop calling me crazy
solar maple
yeah it can take a few days
edgy arrow
lol i was gonna do something special for my 1000th escape attempt, but i completely forgot about it
mossy zinc
Well, that's certainly unique, too.
edgy arrow
what's funny is that it ended up being special by accident
first 50 was escape attempt exactly 1000
poetry
mossy zinc
And a barrel roll.
edgy arrow
indeed lol
mossy zinc
But tell me, did you press Z twice or did you press R twice?
mossy zinc
M2? I don't understand. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/bc340847-f65a-4c36-b96d-355e9d80bdf0_1.39cd665573c664ba4844609eed6d0eb2.jpeg
Playing on a N64 pad should count as +10 Heat.
Or maybe that's the way to beat 64 Heat?
edgy arrow
we just need to trick Amir into assigning objective heat values to random challenges
N64? +10 heat. Mouse only? +15. DDR pad? +20. While playing the violin upside down and reciting the alphabet backwards? +64 and the world record's broken
mossy zinc
While playing the violin upside down and reciting the alphabet backwards?
Wait.
You're saying you don't do that?
edgy arrow
if i did, i would've submitted my beo run as 114 heat
edgy arrow
how does he respond to that?
my bet's on "what manner of foolishness is this"
hades doesn't understand true art smh
mossy zinc
He usually gives up because I can't actually play the violin, so that's probably the smart choice to be honest.
solar maple
hadesprof came by brights stream and said he will try 53 heat beo
looks like my wr may not last long haha
I think he'll get it pretty quickly
gaunt fiber
Prepare the 54
true fable
he is damn persistent
hadesprofessor is incredibly set on goals lol
he was in so much pain when doing zag sword and did it anyway
solar maple
nah I just don't think 53 beo is nearly as hard as some of the other stuff he did
though his 51 run was pretty jank
zeus attack start RI2
bleh
mossy zinc
The #1 skill for high heat is perseverance.
solar maple
I may experiment with some RI2 pacts to see if higher heat than 53 is possible with a cast build
but no rolls is rough
mossy zinc
It's possible, just get +2 ammo in Tartarus.
solar maple
dio beo big brain plays
mossy zinc
I meant Passion Flare RI3 lol. But I guess that works, too.
mossy zinc
It's worth 2 Heat.
mossy zinc
Gotta put it on eventually if you want to push higher.
solar maple
that's what I'm saying. I think the 54 pact has RI2, and any less has RI0
mossy zinc
RI3 would be 56 then.
mossy zinc
So do RI3 at 60 then.
solar maple
nah my 60 pact would probably be all but RI2 LMAO
mossy zinc
62 then.
solar maple
would never win though
yeah 61 would be RI3 because you literally have to
maybe I should start practicing an RI2 54 pact to barrel roll hadesprof 👀
mossy zinc
So scared of RI3 smh.
solar maple
yeah I mean going from 3 casts to 1 is pretty rough
that halves your damage roughly
RI2 already takes about a third of your damage away
then RI3 halves that again
you lose 2nd dash, but shield can handle that without a massive amount of trouble
for RI2 I may run RR anyway
just for some extra tart damage
mossy zinc
RI3 Beowulf is free. Just get +400% Charged Flight, that's what I did.
true fable
ive actually come around to special recently
its very good in some niche situations
better in speedruns than high heat tbh IMO
solar maple
also I'm too bad to not have thick skin
makes it hard to take early chaos gates when you are trash like me
(by early I mean ~c5)
gaunt fiber
understandable
solar maple
will practice a bit on RI2
trying to see if RR is worth or not
I may also experiment with some cursed strats too 5head to be discussed in this forum
gaunt fiber
Abandon cast
solar maple
no
ok nevermind I just had cast APed 4 times in a row with no rolls
forget it lmao
pseudo girder
shackle on literally anything
bold strategy let's see if this pays off
vital grove
No but srs it's not awful
Beo has high base damage on every button
Tartarus is a joke for the Shacklewulf
pseudo girder
I've only really seen shackle work well with Hestia, so hearing it actually works well with Beo is news to me
pseudo girder
Maybe it works well because the bonus to Cast and Attack stack with each other?
Particularly with how Beo Casts work
vital grove
Yee
pseudo girder
I'll try it out later. Kinda curious now.
vital grove
Double damage to attack/rush and cast at the same time is not bad, it just doesn't scale at all
Also the special is a big brick with shackle
The idea is to use shackle while you fish for actual boons you want to use because ap2 and ri is brutal
pseudo girder
Breaking News: Prince of the Underworld beats father by throwing a freaking brick at him
halcyon flame
beo special build in a nutshell
solar maple
AAAAAAAAA
just timed out as I got the 2nd phase of hades down on 54 heat
because of a 4 sack 😦
pseudo girder
F
solar maple
with the most jank build of all time lmaoooo
athena cast
would have been an easy win with a 2 sack
and a solid win with 3 I think
edgy arrow
oof
solar maple
was a shackle start lmao
solar maple
RI2
edgy arrow
i’ve actually been forced into athena cast a couple times recently
rain sedge
what's the pact?
edgy arrow
anything with mirage shot isn’t the worst
rain sedge
ah EM4
solar maple
yeah em4
rain sedge
I forgot other aspects can do that
solar maple
but would have been easy with 2 sack
rain sedge
good luck!
solar maple
I died after 45s of timer damage
so 200 something
and I was forced to play reckless
and I lost patty buff 😦
so 3rd phase would have been ez
I'm so pissed
solemn pulsar
Would you consider CP2 DC2 TD2? To give more time flexibility for EM4?
Or does DC really screw with beo too hard
solar maple
that might have a higher wr
DC2 is a massive pain though
I would die a ton in tart I think
with RI2 DC2
solar maple
especially with bad casts
solar maple
CP2 is fine with shackle
solemn pulsar
On a high damage weapon
solemn pulsar
*3 shot with dc2 tho
solemn pulsar
Actually more since dc kills fiery
solar maple
I may try that pact
vital grove
Hangover strike meta
solar maple
the thing is that TD3 is only really a problem when you get 4+ sacked
so completely hamstringing myself for the whole run seems so annoying
like athena cast is not fast, and I had a min or two to spare after heroes
solemn pulsar
True and <4 sack is like a 80% chance or higher
solar maple
just get a 2 sack 4head
I think I woke up my roommates when I saw this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/810857452231852052/4sack54.png
solar maple
no I still have to clear this god awful room
styx rooms on JS3 are pure pain
this room was a full min
so I had 1:30 for hades
2:30 would have been enough
pseudo girder
just beat hades in 1.5 minutes
halcyon flame
yikes
pseudo girder
eeeeeeez
halcyon flame
a full minute in a room is already extremely bad
pseudo girder
Yeah
solar maple
styx normal rooms are the slowest rooms in the game
they take longer than hades sometimes in speedruns
pseudo girder
they take far longer than they have any right to be
solar maple
wait no
this room was fast
I just had another tunnel to go down
that took another ~25s
to get me down to 1:30
pseudo girder
When even going against Tiny Vermin is somehow faster than your average normal room, there's something wrong.
halcyon flame
is it me or does tiny vermin actually still go faster than normal rooms
solar maple
vermin definitely faster than normal rooms on average I think
pseudo girder
It does.
solar maple
unless your build is very stinky
pseudo girder
Despite having the most health of the Styx minibosses IIRC
pseudo girder
Yeah, that's its only real saving grace on higher heats
...Aside, of course, from being a miniboss room
Which is still faster than a normal room
halcyon flame
pretty convenient that you can just ignore the adds
maybe they'll soak up a bit of damage but they die pretty fast anyways since they don't even have armor
pseudo girder
Especially with AOE damage
kindred sluice
Forced Overtime on 40% is... something. 
kindred sluice
I should go back to 20% because otherwise 40% will drive me insane.
pseudo girder
Yeeeaaaahhhhh
I tried 40% on my speedrun attempts
Lemme tell ya
It's not fun.
I'm goin down to 20%
halcyon flame
can vouch
hl5 is way easier than fo2
i'd rather take double damage than take effectively way more than that from not being able to dodge
pseudo girder
Especially when you get to Hades
Like
Jeez louise
You have next to no time to BTFO before he begins his spin attack
agile obsidian
I tried 40% on my speedrun attempts
I mean if you’re speedrunning correctly fo2 shouldn’t be a problem since enemies should be dead before they even move
agile obsidian
What weapon do you use
pseudo girder
Dem Fists
agile obsidian
fastest time at 13:xx
Thats pretty good
pseudo girder
Attempted to get it on that run
agile obsidian
Nice
agile obsidian
Try eris if you’re having trouble
pseudo girder
I know
agile obsidian
Achilles + flurry jab is insanely good as well
pseudo girder
But I want to do beeg punch
agile obsidian
With zeus attack
I got my first sub 10 spear with achilles and that’s when i realized how op flurry jab was
pseudo girder
Flurry Jab really good, yeah
My only problem with Spear is just the fact it feels like a weird half-step between ranged weps like rail and bow and melee weapons like stygius
agile obsidian
Hmm
pseudo girder
It's moreso my personal preference. I like the extreme close-up shenanigans of Fists and the long-range action of Bow and Rail
kindred sluice
Still trying just need a way to get 7m timer and not have Jury Summons on for 32
Chiron and Jury Summons do not mix.
agile obsidian
No they do not
agile obsidian
Yes
pseudo girder
I'd suggest going for that instead if you are blanking on alternative 32 heat options
agile obsidian
For 32 chiron do hl 5, lc4,cf2, bp1/2, mm, uc, dc2, td2
Idk if that’s 32 or more
But pretty much the general idea
halcyon flame
you're forgetting em3
if you can consistently do sub 20 or less then td3 is definitely a good choice
halcyon flame
td3 chiron isn't that bad if you go for a classic heart rend build and get relentless or concentrated
preferably concentrated
or both if you're lucky
halcyon flame
both are pretty safe and powerful because of high dps and weak causing enemies to deal significantly less damage
quartz mantle
Heart Rend build has more synergies with crit stuff too
Hangover doesn't synergize well with too much unless you get the Ares duo as well somehow
halcyon flame
dio + aphro + ares + athena
athena is necessary because she can give you dds
dio, aphro and ares are basically the core gods
quartz mantle
I mean getting 4 specific gods in your pool isn't the most consistent plan
halcyon flame
persistence, perseverance and god keepsakes are the key
serene badger
I am a firm believer that Chiron exists in the game
dire steppe
i wish it didn't
gaunt fiber
I've played like 10 hours in the past 15 days
Just died three times in a row against Alecto
Grind gonna be fun
serene badger
Just dodge
gaunt fiber
I do but at some point I take damage
serene badger
Well don't
gaunt fiber
Thanks
pseudo girder
Yeah... Especially EM1 Meg
Since IIRC she has both sisters to help, while the other two just have one sister
gaunt fiber
Not the problem really
Her aoes are really fast, the whip range is huge and sometimes misleading, lot of projectiles in general
pseudo girder
Ah
kindred sluice
vital grove
Who cares take big sword smack in the back til dead
pseudo girder
Arthurposting
plush scaffold
Which of the three Furies is the fastest or easiest on higher heats?
This was done in a speedrunning context, but still could be usefull for you hopefully:
Meg and Alecto have the same HP, their transitions take ~6.6s IGT
Tis has 15% more HP than the others, and her transitions take ~7.4s IGT
So Tis is the worst by far. Meg vs Alecto is more about preference. Alecto tends to move more, but less far
pseudo girder
Well, luckily for you, I primarily focus on speedrun attempts
So yes, this is rather useful, actually
shy plinth
I feel confident in saying that if you want speedrunning information Lili is the best person to ask
shy plinth
They are currently #1 on any heat
pseudo girder
...Oh.
serene badger
How is sub 6 even possible
pseudo girder
simple
- fast
In all seriousness, you need a whole series of free rooms to happen to come close to that time
serene badger
I feel like if on my runs I made every correct movement, did everything perfectly, and got every possible free room it'd still take almost 7 minutes
pseudo girder
You need a Survival Room, a Thanatos Room, fountain rooms, a lot of Chaos rooms, and every mid-biome shop you can get
next
you gotta schmoove with utmost efficacy
plush scaffold
You need a Survival Room, a Thanatos Room, fountain rooms, a lot of Chaos rooms,...
I got no than nor survival though =p
plush scaffold
room rng is often as important as free rooms. plus getting a gold build
serene badger
I think on my best run I got a survival room, all three free rooms (sisy, eury and patty),3 chaos gates and two fountians or something with thanny in elysium and it still took me about 8:30
Basically levels of luck I'll never get again
And I was still nowhere near
pseudo girder
My fastest run was a ME run where I never got ME
I got Rare Crop for Ares Attack and Athena Special, which was amazing
But I DIDN'T GET ME
serene badger
ME is overrated anyway
pseudo girder
yeah, but BEEG DAMAGE GO BRRRRRRRRRRRR
serene badger
Tru but I don't like ares boons so I avoid him like the plague
kindred sluice
My friend just started the game and he loves Ares’ boons it’s funny to see. 
Okay so I’m never going forced overtime 40% again unless
pseudo girder
FO2 is weird
serene badger
Just react quicker
And accept that you're taking damage from chariots no matter what
pseudo girder
just think faster 5head
serene badger
Just put FO2 on for your brain too
gaunt fiber
This was done in a speedrunning context, but still could be usefull for you hope...
Thanks for the intel Lili, but sometimes we just try to survive 
rain sedge
I'd take Tis any day
agile obsidian
I hate tis while speedrunning
The transitions feel like eternity
I also dislike alecto bcs of her chainsaw things
serene badger
I always feel like I kill Tis quicker
If you have deflect on something you can do big damage to her with her own projectiles
wanton plover
i also like to face tis the most because on em1 she sometimes gives her sister the farts so i cant see
gosh i hate that so much
i die to that more than anything in tart
waxen relic
Try looking less at the screen :) it's not like all the stuff appears out of nowhere
opal token
Is it advisable to ever Pom Athena Aid over say 4th or 5th Pom on special?
wanton plover
just look at the screen 4head
gaunt fiber
No matter what happens, tomorrow is Guan Yu day
solemn pulsar
What happens on guan yu day
gaunt fiber
I play Guan Yu
solemn pulsar
I thought you already did that
gaunt fiber
Fair point
It's just that it's been a while so I'm gathering motivation to bear the heat
agile obsidian
Feel the heat
agile obsidian
Oh
edgy arrow
oh yeah
gaunt fiber
Still working on the pact tho
edgy arrow
i forgot non beo aspects sometimes use RI2 before heat a billion
gaunt fiber
it's doable really